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My earliest memory is
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my mother working
on that typewriter.
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And its keys were,
like, super loud.
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It was just a blur of
machine gun sound, like...
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Typing, typing,
typing, typing, typing.
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- It was...
- Just like...
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- No...
- No.
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You'd never know in the house
growing up what she did for work.
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Good morning, Mrs. Burgess.
Nice to have you with us.
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Dr. Ann Burgess.
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Dr. Burgess, it was
my experience...
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Well, I guess I knew that my mother
did things that were different.
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You know, we would have FBI
agents come over to the house.
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I remember some magazines,
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certainly the TV shows.
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A professor of
psychiatric nursing.
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The minute any type
of violence occurs.
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For the offender, it
gives him a record.
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Her books are in the house.
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Book on sexual assault, child
molestation, a nursing book,
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crime classification manual,
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book on homicide.
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Like, I knew all that.
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But it really wasn't
until late high school
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that I learned she was
working with serial murderers.
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Severing the human
head, two of 'em...
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It's in a tourniquet,
so it cut off the air.
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Stabbed her i-i-in the back.
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This is the person
you grew up with
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who brings dinner to the table,
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and when you're crying
she wipes your tears.
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I was, like, shocked to
know that she was involved
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in trying to solve these crimes.
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Oh, yes.
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Police believe they may have a
serial killer on their hands.
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No one knows what is
driving them to kill.
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Murders of 13 girls...
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- Killed as many as 21...
- Thirty-six women...
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We are a violent people
in a violent country.
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Getting inside the mind of evil
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to help them solve
serial killings.
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The state's top law
enforcement officer
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called a press conference tonight
in the ski mask rape case.
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Fits the pattern of some 20 rape
cases in the past two years.
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The rapist would sneak into a
house through an open window
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or door to surprise his victim.
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Police are advising women
to be very, very careful.
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Well, I'm very, very scared.
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I have all the windows locked.
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The nine states where ski
mask rapes have occurred
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may just be the
tip of the iceberg.
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The FBI needs to
change their tactics
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if agents want to catch
the Ski Mask Rapist.
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There are approximately
four million girls
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who will be going out
within the next few years
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to make careers for themselves
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in a busy and toughly
competitive world.
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When I graduated
from high school,
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there were three
options for women.
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To be a teacher,
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to be a secretary,
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or to be a nurse.
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I said, "Well, I can be a nurse 'cause
I can ask everybody how they feel.
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That's what I'll learn."
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I'm always interested
in how people feel.
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But in academe, in
terms of nursing,
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nobody else cared
about how they felt.
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They said, "You should research
physical illness only."
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That was the mindset
at that time.
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"You're not gonna get
anywhere with this."
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But if I wanted to do
something, I was going to do it.
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I began to talk to the patients
with traumatic experiences.
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It is very hard for
people to listen
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to what has happened
to another human being.
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It makes them feel helpless,
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and they don't realize that listening
is a very powerful strategy to help.
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In '78, I was a professor of
nursing at Boston College.
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I also had four young children.
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One day my, uh, research assistant is
looking very sheepish in the doorway
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saying, "You've got a phone call."
I'm saying, "Take it, Anna."
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And she says, "I think you'd
better. It's the, um, FBI."
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You know, somethin' with
my taxes or something?
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Why are they calling me?
You know, what did I do?
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And he says he'd like
to invite me down
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to talk about the
book that I wrote.
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50% of the time,
women ask for it.
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If I'm on top and you say,
"Alright, yeah, yeah."
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Then a couple minutes later they say,
"Oh, stop, stop." I ain't gonna stop.
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If a woman wants to get even with
her husband after an argument,
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just yell rape.
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They would blame the victim.
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"Why weren't you taking
care of your kids?
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What are you doing
out at night?"
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I-I remember I was
being pushed on the bed,
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and then he put a
sheet over my face.
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At that time, I felt that my whole
frame of reference for the world
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had sort of fallen apart.
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When Lynda Holmstrom and I started
studying the problem of rape,
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I was told, "Pick another topic.
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Rape is not a problem."
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And it was, but nobody was
paying attention to it.
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I believe that every
woman has a story.
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I certainly had some.
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We lived in the nurse's dorm,
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and I wanted to go to
my sorority meeting.
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The college was
up this big hill.
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I got up there and then they said, "Oh,
just stand over there by that road,
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and lots of people go down,
you can just hitch a ride."
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This car picked me up
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and got me about halfway
down and he pulled off.
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I knew I was in trouble.
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I was really, really scared.
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I hit the horn and I said, "I'll get
out, I'll walk the rest of the way."
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Luckily, he took off.
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When they would say,
"Rape is not a problem,"
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I didn't believe that.
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I thought, "We've got to get
people aware of this problem."
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When the FBI called,
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rape cases weren't
being looked at.
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They were just being
put in the shelf.
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The cases are going cold.
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She was somebody who had
this set of knowledge
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that nobody else had.
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She had spoken to those victims,
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and she could go and
teach the men of the FBI
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everything that she had learned about
rape and trauma and sexual assault.
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When you're looking for
who can you influence
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to change a broken system,
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the FBI was the top of the list.
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So I felt I could
make a difference.
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Being down at Quantico was
very much a culture shock.
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The firing range opened at 6:00.
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They loved their guns.
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FBI agents were kinda like
these mythical cowboy figures,
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sort of classic Americana.
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And that was the image
Hoover wanted to cultivate,
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was the FBI as superheroes.
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The special agent must
be a good marksman
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and have the courage
to shoot it out
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with the most venomous
of public enemies.
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If law enforcement in
general was this boys club,
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the FBI was kind of the
cool kids of the boys club.
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Ann thought, "Great, there's
these saviors of America"
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"ready to learn from me
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and to help do something
about this immense issue."
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I'm Ann Burgess,
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and I'd just like to again
personally welcome all of you.
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You all have been selected for
your expertise in a wide area.
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She looked out at this
audience of 40 FBI agents
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who were all men,
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and she started
talking about rape,
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and there were some
snickers in the audience.
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Her sort of whole view of these lofty,
high-minded G-men suddenly crashed.
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And of course, the one question they
would always say to me, "Were you raped?"
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Wow, what a question to
come from the audience.
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You know, here's all these men.
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There are few other female
agents teaching at that time.
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There clearly was
discrimination.
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No current connection...
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They would be very confrontational
in their questions.
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Not about, "Well, how
did the victim feel?"
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I mean, you would hope
that they would ask more,
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"Tell me more about being a
victim in... from your lecture."
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All of my research is
in the area of victims
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and the impact of
victimization on...
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They thought rape was just sex.
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"Women secretly wanted it
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or they were out there
and asked for it."
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I hope that many of you will be
able to listen to what has...
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The problem with the
other side of the story
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is they don't want to hear it.
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You've gotta be very...
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kind of resourceful in
how you bring it in.
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She used that first session
to really show sexual assault
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as it actually occurs.
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Once she was able to get the agents to
understand the severity of the issue,
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they did start paying
a lot of attention,
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and they did start
asking her questions
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and they did see the value of being
able to intervene and to help victims.
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Throughout those early days,
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Roy Hazelwood, who had been the
one to initially invite her down,
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he would introduce
her to other agents.
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Sometimes they took an interest,
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a lot of times they didn't 'cause she
wasn't there in any official capacity.
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She wasn't even, you know,
fully consulting yet.
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So, when Ann came
as this outsider,
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the one group that would accept
her were the other outsiders.
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The Behavioral Science Unit
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was a small part of the
academic branch of the FBI.
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The agents were all working on these
sort of not-by-the-book projects,
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some of which were approved,
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some of which were
not so approved.
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It kinda didn't matter 'cause they
were in the basement of Quantico
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where no one was really
paying them attention anyway.
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I remember the first time going,
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and you get on that elevator
that doesn't have any numbers,
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and then you get down two
floors and there are no windows.
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It's a bomb shelter, literally.
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She started to learn more
about two agents in particular,
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John Douglas and Rob Ressler.
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Ressler was a steady
hand at the BSU.
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He was calm, which was sort
of a juxtaposition to Douglas.
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Douglas was the most polarizing
figure within the BSU.
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Strong opinions and
a lot of confidence,
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and there were certain people that
that definitely rubbed the wrong way.
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I remember being at Quantico in
John Douglas' office and he's got
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- a dress hanging in the corner.
- Yes.
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Did he call it J. Edgar
Hoover's dress? Yeah, okay.
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And then the power goes out.
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He's like, "I got a
flashlight here somewhere."
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- When he turns it on, it's under his chin.
- Of course.
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Douglas, uh, you had to
get on his good side,
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especially if you're
gonna work with Ressler.
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And I wanted to
work with Ressler
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'cause Ressler was interested in a
population that wasn't studied at all.
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I was talking to victims,
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and he was talking with the
other half, if you will.
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I wanted to put the
two halves together.
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The murder of people in series,
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or serial murders,
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has police departments
across this country worried.
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Motiveless, random killings,
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sometimes thousands
of miles apart.
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Their victims are strangers.
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Their motives unknown.
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For Ressler, that was
always the big question.
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"How many serial
killers are out there?"
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A lot, that we knew of.
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The unsolved Zodiac murders.
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- The Hillside Strangler.
- Son of Sam.
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In the '70s, we saw
this really steep rise
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in the number of
serial killers active.
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The scientists say
there is no way
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to spot a mass
killer in advance.
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Even when they're caught, serial
killers are seldom well understood.
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Arresting and convicting
serial killers
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is still, for the most
part, a matter of luck.
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The mind of the serial predator
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was not something that
was at all understood.
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Seven killings in two weeks.
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Well up into the 15, 16 victims.
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Thirty-three victims that
we know of, and maybe more.
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We don't understand it.
244
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A conventional
investigation is lacking.
245
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We're, we're missing
something here.
246
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Why would somebody
choose to kill strangers
247
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over and over and over again?
248
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What makes him so different
from the rest of us?
249
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Robert Ressler realizes
that he has to do something
250
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to begin to better understand the men
who are committing serial killing.
251
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Ressler said we need
to go in and speak
252
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with criminals like the ones of
these cases we're trying to solve.
253
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They operate by a
different sense of logic.
254
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So there's really no
way to understand them
255
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unless you talk to them.
256
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If we don't start
looking at serial killers
257
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and learning
something about them,
258
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10, 15, 20 years from now,
259
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we're gonna be right
back where we are today.
260
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This guy is a person
to understand,
261
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and to understand
is to stop this guy.
262
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Ressler was the dr... he
was the driving force,
263
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and he wanted to
do the interviews.
264
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Of course, that could be a problem
because they were serial killers.
265
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And at that time, Ressler
was doing single interviews,
266
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and he liked this Ed Kemper.
267
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He was... finished
the interview.
268
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It was around three o'clock,
269
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and he was getting really kind
of nervous looking at his watch
270
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and Kemper turns
to him and said,
271
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"You know, they... the, uh,
guard isn't coming back.
272
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They're on change of shift. He's
not gonna be here for 30 minutes."
273
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He says, "In that
time, you know,
274
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I could snap your head and
leave it on the table."
275
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He said, "I'd own
the prison then.
276
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I killed an FBI agent."
277
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Luckily, the guard came
278
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and as they're leaving,
Kemper turns to him and says,
279
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"You know I was just
kidding, didn't you?"
280
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So that changed policy quick.
281
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He never went alone again.
282
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And Douglas was the one that
was willing to go with Ressler.
283
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It's important to understand
that when Ressler and Douglas
284
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and-and others were going in and
interviewing these offenders,
285
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they were doing so in a
kind of unstructured way,
286
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conversing with them,
asking them general details,
287
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taking whatever information
they were willing to share.
288
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They would interview serial
killers face-to-face,
289
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and then they would
just have a conversation
290
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about, "What does this
mean? What does that mean?"
291
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They had no idea what they had.
292
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They didn't have the tools to
make some sense out of them.
293
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The agents were really
interested in Dr. Burgess' work
294
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because this rape
study that she had done
295
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involved this unwieldy
data coming in
296
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from just these people
telling their story.
297
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She was able to quantify
that information,
298
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do something
productive with that.
299
00:17:17,955 --> 00:17:21,333
So, the agents were interested
in learning what her process was
300
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and seeing if they could
apply it to their research
301
00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:25,879
and so they just
shared it with Ann.
302
00:17:31,301 --> 00:17:33,501
Something snapped in me.
303
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- I picked up a rock.
- Mm-hmm.
304
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And, um...
305
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big size, softball size,
306
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- and I hit her...
- Mm-hmm.
307
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With the rock
upside of her head.
308
00:17:42,145 --> 00:17:44,439
- It, it knocked her unconscious...
- Mm-hmm.
309
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And I left.
310
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Once you kill
another human being,
311
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you'll never be the
same person again.
312
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The tapes that
they brought back,
313
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the cases were so horrific.
314
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We had Charles Manson.
315
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Since I was 10 years old,
316
00:18:03,417 --> 00:18:06,336
I used to lay down and have to get
my ass whipped till I couldn't walk.
317
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Tell me about some pain.
318
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Pain's not bad, it's good.
319
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It teaches you things.
320
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We had a number of Kemper
tapes that came in.
321
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I lived as an ordinary
person most of my life.
322
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Even though I was living a parallel
and increasingly sick life.
323
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He was so articulate.
324
00:18:26,273 --> 00:18:29,067
Ted Bundy was
equally articulate.
325
00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:33,780
I-I can see how certain
feelings and ideas
326
00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:36,742
developed in me to the point
where I began to act out on them.
327
00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:39,953
Certain very violent and
very destructive feelings.
328
00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:42,915
Montie Rissell, really
quite forthcoming.
329
00:18:43,749 --> 00:18:45,584
He talked and he
talked and he talked.
330
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It was like I was just spinning out
of control during the day, right?
331
00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:51,757
But at night when
I could dominate,
332
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,926
it was just
exhilarating, I guess.
333
00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:57,804
I listened closely until
each cassette stopped.
334
00:18:59,014 --> 00:19:01,183
I took notes and listened again.
335
00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,727
I laid her on the hood of
the car, and I raped her.
336
00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:05,687
I said, "You do
exactly what I say!"
337
00:19:05,771 --> 00:19:07,373
So if you're gonna
kill somebody,
338
00:19:07,397 --> 00:19:09,459
y-you just put it on their neck
and twist it three times...
339
00:19:09,483 --> 00:19:11,610
What I heard was
like eavesdropping
340
00:19:11,693 --> 00:19:14,321
on the rawest
fringes of humanity.
341
00:19:14,404 --> 00:19:15,614
I cut off her head.
342
00:19:15,697 --> 00:19:19,159
I had a utility knife,
and I cut her throat.
343
00:19:19,243 --> 00:19:21,787
I think I stabbed her
four or five more times.
344
00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:23,413
Be walking up the stairs
345
00:19:23,497 --> 00:19:26,250
with a camera bag that
had her severed head.
346
00:19:43,225 --> 00:19:48,689
I saw potential in the study, but I
also had to think about my family.
347
00:19:50,649 --> 00:19:55,028
I hesitated 'cause it
might take up extra time,
348
00:19:55,112 --> 00:19:56,738
nighttime, weekend time.
349
00:19:57,489 --> 00:20:00,284
That was hard because I
had the young children.
350
00:20:06,415 --> 00:20:09,293
I was feeling pressured to
make the right decision.
351
00:20:10,919 --> 00:20:12,730
I mean, I didn't care
much about the offenders.
352
00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:13,797
They were killers.
353
00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:18,844
The biggest motivation
from my perspective
354
00:20:18,927 --> 00:20:20,304
was helping victims.
355
00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:24,641
I focused on that
as much as I could.
356
00:20:28,687 --> 00:20:33,025
I think there is an empathy, a
compassion that she understands
357
00:20:34,193 --> 00:20:36,778
because of-of the
lived experience.
358
00:20:38,447 --> 00:20:42,826
My Uncle Frank was very
caring and very supportive.
359
00:20:46,788 --> 00:20:48,165
My uncle's house in Maryland
360
00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:50,542
had a grand piano in one
part of the living room
361
00:20:50,626 --> 00:20:53,253
and a organ, real organ.
362
00:20:53,337 --> 00:20:56,632
I think that I still probably
have his sheet music, yeah.
363
00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:01,720
And he could play by ear, so
he could almost do anything.
364
00:21:03,555 --> 00:21:05,325
Uncle Frank was
a country doctor,
365
00:21:05,349 --> 00:21:08,227
and Frank really nurtured
her love of music.
366
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:09,895
They would play together.
367
00:21:10,562 --> 00:21:12,189
She said many times
368
00:21:12,272 --> 00:21:14,358
that she wanted to be a pianist,
369
00:21:14,441 --> 00:21:16,902
but that's not
how it played out.
370
00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:22,658
Uncle Frank had a driver,
371
00:21:22,741 --> 00:21:26,161
and the driver, we didn't
know, was into drugs
372
00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:28,789
and doctors have drugs.
373
00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:33,794
They got into a fight,
and my uncle was killed.
374
00:21:35,045 --> 00:21:36,964
It was quite a struggle
375
00:21:37,047 --> 00:21:39,925
because I know that
even months later
376
00:21:40,008 --> 00:21:43,303
they were finding blood
in the back of lamps.
377
00:21:44,555 --> 00:21:49,184
And, of course, that changed the
whole landscape, if you will.
378
00:21:52,855 --> 00:21:56,525
She had firsthand experience of what it's
like to lose somebody you love so dearly.
379
00:21:56,984 --> 00:22:01,029
So for my mom, one outlet
for her is her work.
380
00:22:02,155 --> 00:22:04,950
She's very devoted
to try to figure out
381
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:06,953
how to prevent this from
happening in the future.
382
00:22:09,621 --> 00:22:14,501
Her work helps her deal with some of
the tragedy that she's experienced.
383
00:22:20,174 --> 00:22:22,676
So, I decided this
was important.
384
00:22:23,969 --> 00:22:25,554
I would help with the study.
385
00:22:31,685 --> 00:22:35,022
It's not necessarily
a fully sanctioned,
386
00:22:35,105 --> 00:22:36,899
approved, by-the-book's move
387
00:22:36,982 --> 00:22:38,775
to be bringing
Dr. Burgess into the room.
388
00:22:38,859 --> 00:22:41,153
She's not officially an agent.
389
00:22:41,862 --> 00:22:44,156
She's a guest lecturer.
390
00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:46,801
But Ressler says, "Forget about it.
We'll deal with the consequences later.
391
00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:48,505
Just get in here, help
me figure this out."
392
00:22:49,661 --> 00:22:52,789
The tapes that I listened
to were fascinating.
393
00:22:53,624 --> 00:22:56,251
Now the problem was we had
to make sense out of it.
394
00:22:56,335 --> 00:22:59,254
That data hadn't come in
in a standardized way,
395
00:22:59,338 --> 00:23:00,839
and how do you
make sense of that?
396
00:23:00,923 --> 00:23:03,008
How do you sort of
quantify that information?
397
00:23:03,091 --> 00:23:04,843
How do you set up a, a project?
398
00:23:05,302 --> 00:23:06,738
That is where the
academic comes in.
399
00:23:10,224 --> 00:23:12,851
These were agents that
never had done research.
400
00:23:15,062 --> 00:23:17,147
They needed help
with a methodology.
401
00:23:18,357 --> 00:23:21,151
So we had to come up
with this questionnaire.
402
00:23:26,365 --> 00:23:29,701
We can't just go in
willy-nilly and chitchat.
403
00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:32,746
You have to ask
the same questions
404
00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:36,708
in order to be able
to find common themes.
405
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,210
What are our research questions?
406
00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:40,712
Through those first recordings,
407
00:23:40,796 --> 00:23:43,090
she was able to say, "Here's
where I would follow up."
408
00:23:43,173 --> 00:23:45,467
"Here's where I would
expand on this."
409
00:23:46,051 --> 00:23:47,612
"How did you get
him to say this?"
410
00:23:47,636 --> 00:23:49,638
"How was he able
to tell you that?"
411
00:23:49,721 --> 00:23:51,223
Maybe we'd learn
a good question.
412
00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:53,934
What should the order
of the questions be?
413
00:23:54,017 --> 00:23:55,777
How far back do you have to go?
414
00:23:56,019 --> 00:23:58,772
You'd say, "Did you see something
or did you hear something?"
415
00:23:59,398 --> 00:24:01,278
When you'd learned
something, "Let's put it in."
416
00:24:03,235 --> 00:24:07,614
We put together this 57-page
questionnaire, color-coded it,
417
00:24:07,698 --> 00:24:10,033
which made it easier
for the agents,
418
00:24:10,117 --> 00:24:12,160
and we started
collecting the data.
419
00:24:14,162 --> 00:24:16,623
Finally, there
would be uniformity
420
00:24:16,707 --> 00:24:18,584
of information that
they were asking,
421
00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:22,212
and so the agents learned what
was really happening in the field
422
00:24:22,296 --> 00:24:25,716
and they would take that information
and they would bring it back to Ann,
423
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,719
who would then make sense of it.
424
00:24:29,136 --> 00:24:31,114
Well, that's where we were
starting to learn things.
425
00:24:31,138 --> 00:24:32,824
How many siblings do you have?
426
00:24:32,848 --> 00:24:34,141
How many older brothers?
427
00:24:34,224 --> 00:24:35,767
Have you ever thought
about suicide?
428
00:24:35,851 --> 00:24:38,163
Do you have a history of bedwetting?
Sleepwalking, nail-biting...
429
00:24:38,187 --> 00:24:40,267
I would listen. I
would hear something.
430
00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:44,568
I would jot it down to see what
was coming up over and over.
431
00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:50,991
So if we see this in another guy,
alright, that's really interesting.
432
00:24:51,074 --> 00:24:53,118
If we see it in a third,
okay, this is a pattern.
433
00:24:53,202 --> 00:24:54,328
What are the patterns?
434
00:24:54,411 --> 00:24:56,121
- Categories.
- Data sets.
435
00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:02,794
So the data began piling up.
436
00:25:07,049 --> 00:25:08,675
And now we have...
437
00:25:09,176 --> 00:25:10,928
we have something
we can work with.
438
00:25:12,137 --> 00:25:13,656
To meet the challenges of today
439
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,225
and prepare for the
challenges of tomorrow,
440
00:25:16,308 --> 00:25:20,020
your FBI remains in the forefront
of both the training and technology
441
00:25:20,103 --> 00:25:21,438
for criminal investigation.
442
00:25:24,274 --> 00:25:26,127
We were pretty quiet
in the beginning.
443
00:25:26,151 --> 00:25:29,404
We didn't want anyone
really knowing too much
444
00:25:29,488 --> 00:25:31,448
because we didn't
know if we were right.
445
00:25:31,865 --> 00:25:35,077
So they knew something was going on
'cause we were always huddling together.
446
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,454
They had to figure out
something we're talking about,
447
00:25:37,538 --> 00:25:39,258
and we'd just say we're
talking about cases.
448
00:25:41,458 --> 00:25:43,311
There were certain
types of projects
449
00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:45,629
that were more highly
ranked than others.
450
00:25:45,712 --> 00:25:47,714
Forensics made sense.
451
00:25:48,298 --> 00:25:50,133
Stuff that had to
do with psychology
452
00:25:50,217 --> 00:25:54,429
that was less grounded in a
crime scene, less tangible,
453
00:25:54,513 --> 00:25:56,515
seemed a little more like "woo."
454
00:26:00,394 --> 00:26:02,354
Mm-hmm, yeah.
455
00:26:02,938 --> 00:26:04,439
They weren't ready for it.
456
00:26:04,982 --> 00:26:08,819
That these agents wanted
to spend FBI resources
457
00:26:08,902 --> 00:26:11,530
focusing on these
dredges of society,
458
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,866
the FBI did not want to have
anything to do with that.
459
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:18,120
We didn't have the
approval of the FBI,
460
00:26:18,829 --> 00:26:21,456
but it was something that
we had to do in secret.
461
00:26:24,293 --> 00:26:26,545
I felt the stakes were
really, really high.
462
00:26:30,716 --> 00:26:32,634
All I can think about is...
463
00:26:32,718 --> 00:26:35,470
what he did to her.
464
00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:37,431
What were her thoughts?
465
00:26:38,015 --> 00:26:40,517
How long did she suffer?
466
00:26:42,728 --> 00:26:45,314
And those thoughts are
with me all the time.
467
00:26:45,397 --> 00:26:48,358
I read about 'em in the paper.
They happen in New York City.
468
00:26:48,442 --> 00:26:50,861
They don't happen in
Ellensburg, Washington.
469
00:26:53,363 --> 00:26:55,699
The whole unit was
developing a tool
470
00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,492
that might be
useful to the field.
471
00:26:57,576 --> 00:27:00,245
That was our whole goal is,
"How can you prevent it?"
472
00:27:02,456 --> 00:27:05,751
The agents of the BSU understood
473
00:27:05,834 --> 00:27:09,922
they were developing a tool
that could shift the paradigm
474
00:27:10,005 --> 00:27:13,926
of how law enforcement was
able to catch criminals.
475
00:27:16,637 --> 00:27:21,767
Ann is a person who helped to develop
the tools that assisted profilers.
476
00:27:23,018 --> 00:27:25,437
Ann was the brains
of the operation.
477
00:27:25,521 --> 00:27:29,316
She saw the potential for using
interviews with serial killers
478
00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:32,736
to be predictive of
who a killer might be.
479
00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:35,489
Who identified characteristics
of the offender
480
00:27:35,572 --> 00:27:38,075
based on previous people
who did similar things.
481
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:42,287
She thought if you can
recognize the patterns,
482
00:27:42,371 --> 00:27:45,123
you can do something to stop
that pattern from continuing.
483
00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:59,697
The state's top law
enforcement officer,
484
00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:02,099
Colonel Bo Garrison of the
Louisiana State Police,
485
00:28:02,182 --> 00:28:04,977
called a press conference tonight
in the ski mask rape case.
486
00:28:05,727 --> 00:28:08,605
The case involving burglary
and crime against nature
487
00:28:08,689 --> 00:28:12,526
fits the pattern of some 20 rape
cases throughout South Louisiana.
488
00:28:12,609 --> 00:28:14,003
A state police spokesman says
489
00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:16,446
most of the break-ins
involve sexual assault.
490
00:28:16,530 --> 00:28:18,216
The rapist would
sneak into a house
491
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,659
through an open window or
door to surprise his victim.
492
00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:22,536
Then in many cases,
he would wait
493
00:28:22,619 --> 00:28:25,122
until the woman's husband
or boyfriend returned.
494
00:28:25,706 --> 00:28:28,458
After tying up the husband,
the attack would start.
495
00:28:28,542 --> 00:28:31,879
Governor Dave Treen instructed
state police commander Bo Garrison
496
00:28:31,962 --> 00:28:35,424
to make capture of the Ski
Mask Rapist top priority.
497
00:28:36,175 --> 00:28:39,469
In the late '70s, I was a member
of the Louisiana State Police.
498
00:28:39,553 --> 00:28:40,655
When he came into the house,
499
00:28:40,679 --> 00:28:42,389
he was very domineering,
very commanding.
500
00:28:43,223 --> 00:28:46,018
When there started
to be media reports
501
00:28:46,101 --> 00:28:48,228
of a ski mask rapist,
502
00:28:48,687 --> 00:28:52,149
it created a sense of
fear and huge concern.
503
00:28:52,232 --> 00:28:55,485
Police are advising women
to be very, very careful.
504
00:28:55,569 --> 00:28:56,862
I really don't feel safe.
505
00:28:56,945 --> 00:29:00,073
Just... I'm just afraid,
that's all. Really afraid.
506
00:29:00,157 --> 00:29:01,509
Some residents have decided
507
00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:04,453
that locking doors and
windows isn't enough.
508
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,081
South Louisiana saw an
increase of gun sales
509
00:29:08,165 --> 00:29:09,708
by well over a thousand percent.
510
00:29:11,376 --> 00:29:14,671
It was a community that was lost
511
00:29:14,755 --> 00:29:17,424
for the violence that
was taking place.
512
00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:18,926
I'm very, very scared.
513
00:29:19,009 --> 00:29:22,930
I have all the windows locked
and, uh, the dogs loose at night,
514
00:29:24,264 --> 00:29:27,809
and... I think I'm gonna
put some bars in my window.
515
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,205
Well, local police departments
516
00:29:30,229 --> 00:29:31,813
had never seen a case like this.
517
00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:34,942
Law enforcement was so frantic
518
00:29:35,025 --> 00:29:37,069
that the community was so scared
519
00:29:37,152 --> 00:29:41,156
that they reached out to the BSU
and said, "We really need help."
520
00:29:44,368 --> 00:29:47,138
Hazelwood, when he was looking
at these case files that came in,
521
00:29:47,162 --> 00:29:48,872
he was noticing an escalation.
522
00:29:50,749 --> 00:29:54,002
Early cases were what you
might call a traditional rape.
523
00:29:55,796 --> 00:29:58,507
And the more recent rapes, he
had not only tied up the victim,
524
00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:01,218
but had also tied up
the victim's husband
525
00:30:01,301 --> 00:30:05,430
to force the husband to watch
as he was raping the wife.
526
00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:07,474
Hazelwood wasn't sure
what to make of it,
527
00:30:07,558 --> 00:30:10,853
so he shared cases that had come
in with Ann to get her opinion.
528
00:30:15,941 --> 00:30:21,029
We decided to see if we could
compare it to our other cases
529
00:30:22,155 --> 00:30:23,907
to see what we could learn.
530
00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:31,331
One of the profilers said,
531
00:30:31,415 --> 00:30:33,917
"This case sounds just
like Montie Rissell."
532
00:30:35,127 --> 00:30:39,339
Montie Rissell was very different
from some of the serial killers.
533
00:30:39,756 --> 00:30:42,759
He had a whole series of rapes
before he started killing.
534
00:30:43,343 --> 00:30:45,971
We wanted to see if there
was some pattern there.
535
00:30:46,305 --> 00:30:48,682
Internally, we're dealing
with a trusted group here,
536
00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:51,643
certainly on a
case just like it.
537
00:30:53,395 --> 00:30:56,732
In this particular case, we had
a young man by the age of 14,
538
00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:58,442
had raped his first victim.
539
00:31:00,569 --> 00:31:03,447
I talked to this guy for
probably 12, 14 hours.
540
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:04,823
He told us a lot.
541
00:31:05,449 --> 00:31:07,451
Let's look at the first rape.
542
00:31:07,534 --> 00:31:09,703
What really led
you up to doing it?
543
00:31:10,287 --> 00:31:12,307
When I climbed up the balcony,
544
00:31:12,331 --> 00:31:15,334
I don't think I even
had that intention.
545
00:31:15,417 --> 00:31:17,669
It was more or less
maybe to just break in
546
00:31:17,753 --> 00:31:19,546
and rob something
or steal something.
547
00:31:20,047 --> 00:31:23,967
I walked into the bedroom
and she was in, in her bed.
548
00:31:25,344 --> 00:31:27,387
- Just hearing the fear...
- Mm-hmm.
549
00:31:27,471 --> 00:31:31,058
In her voice and-and not
knowing what was going on,
550
00:31:31,141 --> 00:31:33,602
it was like an-an
adrenaline rush.
551
00:31:34,645 --> 00:31:38,815
Ann discovered these offenses
looked very much like the pattern
552
00:31:38,899 --> 00:31:40,567
we see in people
with an addiction.
553
00:31:41,443 --> 00:31:43,362
Less violent at first,
554
00:31:43,445 --> 00:31:47,199
peeping through windows,
stealing underwear,
555
00:31:47,282 --> 00:31:50,953
calling up somebody and using
foul language and hanging up.
556
00:31:52,496 --> 00:31:56,792
And then there's a need to keep
increasing the stimulus, like a drug.
557
00:31:56,875 --> 00:32:00,963
There was an adrenaline
rush, a power trip, control.
558
00:32:01,588 --> 00:32:03,549
Just to be able to
take another person
559
00:32:03,632 --> 00:32:05,968
and dominate 'em
and-and control 'em.
560
00:32:06,718 --> 00:32:10,472
When it stops being exciting enough,
that's when you can get the murder.
561
00:32:10,556 --> 00:32:12,432
I mean, th-that's
what's so scary.
562
00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:15,495
She's the one that
first mentioned to me,
563
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,855
if I didn't hurt her,
she'd have sex with me,
564
00:32:18,647 --> 00:32:21,149
thinking that she could
control the situation.
565
00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:24,444
Once you kill
another human being,
566
00:32:24,528 --> 00:32:26,363
you'll never be the
same person again.
567
00:32:27,489 --> 00:32:30,117
It's like a junkie wanting
another shot of dope.
568
00:32:31,994 --> 00:32:34,121
We learned that the
excitement piece,
569
00:32:34,204 --> 00:32:37,791
the adrenaline rush was
an underlying theme.
570
00:32:38,417 --> 00:32:40,961
It was like drugs, a
little isn't enough.
571
00:32:41,044 --> 00:32:42,379
At first, it is,
572
00:32:42,462 --> 00:32:44,965
and as you adjust to that
psychologically and physically,
573
00:32:45,048 --> 00:32:46,341
you take more and more and more.
574
00:32:46,425 --> 00:32:47,426
It's the same process.
575
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:49,887
Like an addiction, you
keep craving something
576
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:51,763
which is harder, harder,
577
00:32:51,847 --> 00:32:54,808
something which gives
you a greater excitement.
578
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,062
Through the Montie Rissell case,
579
00:32:59,146 --> 00:33:02,191
we began to see the pattern
of the Ski Mask Rapist.
580
00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:04,443
If you don't catch
'em fast enough,
581
00:33:04,526 --> 00:33:06,195
they just escalate further.
582
00:33:06,778 --> 00:33:11,366
The Ski Mask Rapist was doing such
sadistic things to the victim's body
583
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:15,162
that my feeling was that
we better catch him fast
584
00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:18,707
or we're gonna lose,
physically lose the victim.
585
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:30,427
At this point in time, the Ski Mask Rapist
had committed dozens of known assaults.
586
00:33:31,595 --> 00:33:34,890
So Hazelwood was tasked to share
whatever resources he could
587
00:33:34,973 --> 00:33:36,725
on the FBI's behalf
588
00:33:36,808 --> 00:33:38,894
to try and stop this individual.
589
00:33:42,105 --> 00:33:44,566
There was this idea
that if Ann brought
590
00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:48,278
her understanding of psychology
into interviews of the victims,
591
00:33:48,362 --> 00:33:51,615
she could learn information
that could glean insight
592
00:33:51,698 --> 00:33:53,367
into who this individual was.
593
00:33:55,118 --> 00:33:57,037
Even though she was
only a consultant,
594
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,624
Ann was sent down there
to interview victims.
595
00:34:03,001 --> 00:34:05,963
The fact that a lone
female came down
596
00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:08,298
representing
herself with the FBI
597
00:34:08,382 --> 00:34:12,219
led authorities there
to call the FBI to say,
598
00:34:12,302 --> 00:34:14,888
"Somebody's down here
impersonating an agent."
599
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:18,350
It wasn't widespread
600
00:34:18,433 --> 00:34:20,811
to have females in these roles,
601
00:34:20,894 --> 00:34:26,066
so I can see where authorities in
Louisiana might be a little skeptical.
602
00:34:29,027 --> 00:34:30,779
I felt very anxious to go out
603
00:34:30,863 --> 00:34:34,074
because to be an actual part
of an ongoing investigation
604
00:34:34,157 --> 00:34:35,242
was unusual for me.
605
00:34:37,202 --> 00:34:39,329
The pressure I was feeling
was really a question of,
606
00:34:39,413 --> 00:34:41,665
"Would I be able to
contribute to the case?"
607
00:34:42,374 --> 00:34:43,893
And I could have just
gone in and said,
608
00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:45,677
"What do you remember?
What can you tell me?"
609
00:34:46,044 --> 00:34:50,048
But I chose to take it from
a more human standpoint.
610
00:35:13,197 --> 00:35:15,550
How do you get someone
to trust you in an hour?
611
00:35:15,574 --> 00:35:16,950
That's the hard work.
612
00:35:26,502 --> 00:35:29,838
We had to explain to the
victim how important it was
613
00:35:29,922 --> 00:35:33,342
for her to give us very
detailed information.
614
00:35:34,843 --> 00:35:37,262
I told her that they were asking
615
00:35:37,346 --> 00:35:40,599
because they wanted
to get the offender.
616
00:35:41,475 --> 00:35:43,810
She's helping in this process,
617
00:35:45,312 --> 00:35:48,941
and once she knew that, she
realized I really believed her
618
00:35:49,024 --> 00:35:50,901
and she would give
out the information.
619
00:36:20,722 --> 00:36:24,726
It took a great art to make
people comfortable enough
620
00:36:24,810 --> 00:36:26,687
to be able to attest
to those things.
621
00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:31,817
That was a really unique skill
set that nobody in the FBI had
622
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,777
and very few people
in the country had.
623
00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:37,531
And a lot of it did
go back to, you know,
624
00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:40,200
her early work with
victims of sexual assault.
625
00:36:44,997 --> 00:36:49,168
It's quite loud. It's more
effective than using your own voice.
626
00:36:49,251 --> 00:36:52,045
I think the women's movement
has drawn attention to rape.
627
00:36:52,129 --> 00:36:54,131
Before, it was an
unspeakable crime.
628
00:36:54,673 --> 00:36:57,926
We're saying that it is not
her fault that she got raped.
629
00:36:58,302 --> 00:37:03,807
Ann saw this case as an opportunity
to continue to destigmatize
630
00:37:04,433 --> 00:37:06,268
this idea of being
a victim of rape.
631
00:37:06,351 --> 00:37:09,313
If we are raped, we don't
have to be humiliated,
632
00:37:09,396 --> 00:37:10,606
we don't have to hide.
633
00:37:11,148 --> 00:37:14,568
They were finding out how many
cases were not being heard,
634
00:37:14,651 --> 00:37:16,278
were not even being reported.
635
00:37:16,653 --> 00:37:19,114
So, in this case, women
were told to report it.
636
00:37:19,198 --> 00:37:21,116
So, some of those barriers of,
637
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,493
you know, "Don't report"
finally weren't there.
638
00:37:23,577 --> 00:37:25,617
There have been three rapes
in the past four months.
639
00:37:25,662 --> 00:37:27,056
Where there have been attacks,
640
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,208
police security
has been beefed up.
641
00:37:29,291 --> 00:37:31,293
The more that these
cases were heard,
642
00:37:31,376 --> 00:37:33,003
law enforcement can
learn from that,
643
00:37:33,504 --> 00:37:35,047
and they could start
to take action.
644
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:39,051
When you can find new witnesses,
you're gonna find new stuff
645
00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:41,415
and you think, "Okay, now
there's real possibility there."
646
00:37:42,429 --> 00:37:44,139
Based on Ann's work,
647
00:37:44,223 --> 00:37:46,892
the best way to get to
the heart of what went on
648
00:37:46,975 --> 00:37:49,311
is to talk to the
surviving victims.
649
00:37:49,394 --> 00:37:51,813
And why it was that
person was chosen,
650
00:37:51,897 --> 00:37:54,358
that'll tell you something
about the offender as well.
651
00:37:54,441 --> 00:37:58,237
The victim will actually
help you solve the case.
652
00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:12,000
I realized that how he selected
victims, there's a similar pattern.
653
00:38:13,919 --> 00:38:15,546
He would go after wealthy women,
654
00:38:16,338 --> 00:38:18,382
and I always felt that
that was very important.
655
00:38:19,424 --> 00:38:22,386
And what could I gain
from that information?
656
00:38:30,561 --> 00:38:34,022
In the fall of 1981,
657
00:38:34,106 --> 00:38:37,901
the escalation of the occurrences
was rapidly progressing,
658
00:38:37,985 --> 00:38:40,529
but we were fearful
that one of these days
659
00:38:40,612 --> 00:38:42,197
we were gonna have
a deceased victim.
660
00:38:46,368 --> 00:38:48,120
When I came back to Quantico,
661
00:38:49,246 --> 00:38:52,749
I gave the information on
the victim to the agent.
662
00:38:57,171 --> 00:39:00,591
The agents have to figure out
what the characteristics were.
663
00:39:00,674 --> 00:39:02,217
Age? Were they working or not?
664
00:39:02,301 --> 00:39:05,137
Were they married? Were they
single? Who did they live with?
665
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:07,431
The behavioral things
that you could check out.
666
00:39:08,557 --> 00:39:11,602
Even though Dr. Burgess
wasn't allowed in the room
667
00:39:11,685 --> 00:39:13,770
for that profiling session,
668
00:39:13,854 --> 00:39:16,148
the profilers
leaned on her ideas
669
00:39:17,274 --> 00:39:19,860
to take all these
different inputs,
670
00:39:20,194 --> 00:39:24,031
the crime scene, witness testimony,
interviews with serial killers,
671
00:39:24,114 --> 00:39:27,993
and turned them into a
viable law enforcement tool.
672
00:39:28,535 --> 00:39:30,871
Based on how long
he'd been active,
673
00:39:30,954 --> 00:39:35,876
they classified him as a man
in his late 20s or early 30s.
674
00:39:41,006 --> 00:39:42,966
His domineering behavior
675
00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:46,178
showed that he saw
himself as an alpha male.
676
00:39:47,304 --> 00:39:50,098
Twenty-five rapes attributed
to the Ski Mask Rapist.
677
00:39:50,182 --> 00:39:52,893
Rape cases in five
Louisiana cities.
678
00:39:53,393 --> 00:39:56,813
It started to be constant
reporting, almost weekly,
679
00:39:56,897 --> 00:39:59,149
into Mississippi, into Texas.
680
00:39:59,233 --> 00:40:01,753
We've been getting calls
from California, Wisconsin.
681
00:40:01,777 --> 00:40:03,695
I had two calls
yesterday from Ohio.
682
00:40:03,779 --> 00:40:07,241
Seventy different jurisdictions
across the United States
683
00:40:07,324 --> 00:40:09,618
that were investigating
this crime.
684
00:40:09,701 --> 00:40:13,038
Oklahoma, Florida, Ohio...
685
00:40:13,121 --> 00:40:17,084
His evasiveness and the
frequency with which he moved
686
00:40:17,167 --> 00:40:20,754
showed that he was educated
and served in the military.
687
00:40:20,838 --> 00:40:23,507
Nine states where ski
mask rapes have occurred
688
00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:25,676
may just be the
tip of the iceberg.
689
00:40:25,759 --> 00:40:30,764
He did one attack in Columbus, drove
30 miles, attacked another woman,
690
00:40:30,848 --> 00:40:34,893
and before the night's out, he is
in Virginia and then headed to Ohio.
691
00:40:34,977 --> 00:40:37,896
Seventy-seven break-ins and
robberies in a dozen states.
692
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,816
Violence was becoming
an important part
693
00:40:40,899 --> 00:40:42,860
of the offender's ritual.
694
00:40:42,943 --> 00:40:46,905
Not violence as a tool to
overcome the victim's resistance,
695
00:40:46,989 --> 00:40:48,824
but violence as pleasure.
696
00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:52,870
He was taking broom
handles and hairbrushes
697
00:40:52,953 --> 00:40:56,039
and violating women
with those items.
698
00:40:56,123 --> 00:40:58,750
He was also taking
cigarettes and burning them.
699
00:41:08,677 --> 00:41:10,554
We know that he
liked nice things
700
00:41:10,637 --> 00:41:13,891
and he's profiting off
what he could steal.
701
00:41:13,974 --> 00:41:17,060
And we thought that suggested
he would have a flashy car.
702
00:41:17,853 --> 00:41:20,856
Finally, they were able
to get the profile out.
703
00:41:20,939 --> 00:41:24,610
Authorities have been working with a
psychological profile of the rapist.
704
00:41:24,693 --> 00:41:28,697
The profile called an individual a
good looker who picks up women easily,
705
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:30,115
but is likely to beat them up
706
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,951
and is incapable of
long-lasting relationships.
707
00:41:33,035 --> 00:41:36,079
That he most likely would
kill a resisting victim
708
00:41:36,747 --> 00:41:38,874
and that he would probably
drive a fancy car.
709
00:41:39,416 --> 00:41:43,712
And we were distributing, um, the
flyer all throughout South Louisiana.
710
00:41:43,795 --> 00:41:45,523
- Assaulted a woman...
- 137 rapes...
711
00:41:45,547 --> 00:41:46,858
Three rapes there October 29.
712
00:41:46,882 --> 00:41:49,152
- In 17 states.
- Rapes in cities across...
713
00:41:49,176 --> 00:41:50,987
The brutal rapes of
three family members...
714
00:41:51,011 --> 00:41:52,947
The center of a
multi-state crime spree.
715
00:41:52,971 --> 00:41:56,141
In September, he had
actually shot a husband.
716
00:41:56,225 --> 00:41:58,852
That told us, in fact,
717
00:41:58,936 --> 00:42:02,022
this guy was ready to
take the next step.
718
00:42:03,315 --> 00:42:05,835
As many as 130 rapes in
cities across the nation...
719
00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:08,529
And I tried to pull it away
from my throat and he said,
720
00:42:08,612 --> 00:42:10,212
"Don't touch my knife
or I'll kill you."
721
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,200
When I could dominate, it was
just exhilarating, I guess.
722
00:42:13,867 --> 00:42:16,387
State police spokesman said the
investigation will continue...
723
00:42:16,411 --> 00:42:17,764
Seventy-seven
different assaults...
724
00:42:17,788 --> 00:42:20,582
When I realized that he wants
to be able to control me,
725
00:42:20,666 --> 00:42:21,959
then he was gonna kill me.
59984
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