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[bike bell rings]
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BASTIAN: So, it was
in the winter of 2015,
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I was at the house
with my parents,
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with my wife and my kids.
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And everybody was
sick, so really sick.
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I was the last one standing.
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Then I got this first ping, this
first message from a person who
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called himself John Doe, and
asked if I would be interested
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in data.
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NEWS REPORTER 1: We turn now to
the bombshell causing shockwaves
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around the world, the
so-called Panama Papers.
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NEWS REPORTER 2: What may be the
largest leak of secret documents
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in history.
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NEWS REPORTER 3: Massive
document leak allegedly showing
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how world leaders and the
mega-rich hide billions
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of dollars.
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NEWS REPORTER 4: A new report
which finds eight billionaires
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own as much wealth as the
poorest half of the
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world's population.
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NEWS REPORTER 5: The papers
paint a picture of wide-spread
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corruption and tax evasion.
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NEWS REPORTER 6: Now we
have journalists stepping in,
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trying to tear down those
barriers of secrecy and exposing
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what is happening
behind closed doors.
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NEWS REPORTER 7: The
revelation now kicking off a
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world-wide investigation.
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NEWS REPORTER 8: The whole
issue here is about secrecy.
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People can create shell
corporations and secretly move
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money around.
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NEWS REPORTER 9: World-wide
estimates suggest tens of
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trillions of dollars are
hidden in off-shore accounts.
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NEWS REPORTER 10: What's really
shocking is the fact that twelve
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current or former heads of
state are being accused in
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these papers.
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NEWS REPORTER 11: A journalist
investigating the Panama Papers
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has been killed, sending other
journalists into hiding for fear
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of their safety.
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NEWS REPORTER 12: The law
firm is denying any wrongdoing,
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but this scandal,
the Panama Papers,
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is just beginning.
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[machinery noises]
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JOHN: My viewpoint
is entirely my own.
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Income inequality is one of
the defining issues of our time.
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It affects all of
us, the world over.
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Still, questions remain.
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Why?
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And why now?
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The Panama Papers provide a
compelling answer to
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these questions.
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Massive, pervasive corruption.
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It's not a coincidence that the
answers come from a law firm.
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Mossack Fonseca used its
influence to write and bend laws
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worldwide to favor the interest
of criminals over a period
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of decades.
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BASTIAN: In the first
day and the first days,
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it was so fascinating because
this window in our world opened
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where nobody had ever looked in.
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I always wanted to write.
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Um, I wanted to
become a novelist,
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but that didn't really work out,
so I intended to become a
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sports writer.
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And that also didn't
work out, and here I am, so...
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BASTIAN: Well, I think it's,
um, more or less the defense for
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injustice in some way.
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We founded our own
paper in Rosenheim,
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where I come from, because we
had the feeling that all the
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media there are very much
right-wing orientated and that
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your important stories
are not really told.
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The fact that the
data of Mossack Fonseca,
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which I knew as a black hole.
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They work with all
kinds of criminals.
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You know, they all hold the
information that people who want
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to keep their secrets put in
there to disappear from
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the public.
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So I knew the
company, and I thought,
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you know, this guy has access
to the inner stuff of
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Mossack Fonseca.
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I'm the guy who
wants to have it.
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KATRIN: Mossack Fonseca
is a law firm from Panama,
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and their business is secrecy.
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If you have about
a thousand euros,
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you can buy an offshore
company, it's quite easy,
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and then you can
even buy, like,
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shame directors which means
that all the business you do,
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someone else is signing, someone
else is "doing the business".
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So no one actually
knows that you own stuff,
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and you can hide
all your businesses.
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There's a world that is only
accessible for the powerful and
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the richest, where
they hide their money,
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where they enable
money laundering,
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corruption, and actually, the
plundering of all continents.
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NEWS REPORTER 13: Since 2015,
the richest one percent have
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been more wealthy than the
rest of the world's
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population combined.
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Now Oxfam says the poorest 10%
have seen their income increase
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by less than $3 a year
between 1988 and 2011.
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BASTIAN: If we have streets that
are in not a good condition,
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if we do not have enough
preschool places or good schools
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or if we do have to pay too
much money for universities,
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that is due to the fact that
there's so many people out there
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that are avoiding
and evading taxes.
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concerning every country all
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around the world,
and every one of us.
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BASTIAN: In the first days, it
didn't seem like this is the
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biggest leak in
history of journalism.
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It only was, this seems
to be a really good story.
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FREDERIK: The amount of data
that Bastian and me received
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grew and grew.
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It was really like an addiction.
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I spent night and day
clicking through the data.
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FREDERIK: When we then found the
first names of heads of state
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heads of government.
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We found, you know, the
best friend of Vladimir Putin.
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We found the
Icelandic Prime Minister.
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Even celebrities.
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We always found something that
I thought this is really
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worth reporting.
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If you find money
tied to Bashar Al-Assad,
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and to Vladimir Putin,
and to other dictators,
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then you somehow have the
feeling maybe it's not a good
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idea that only I know.
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Some colleagues
asked us, actually,
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are you crazy sharing a scoop?
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Giving away something our
newspaper could have alone?
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But by sharing, we enabled this
investigation to be something
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big and to make our
investigations better.
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FREDERIK: So we reached out
to the ICIJ in Washington and
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tracked the data.
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MARINA: ICIJ was
created 20 years ago,
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and we can say that its mission
is to defeat the traditional
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model of the lone wolf
investigative reporter.
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The lone wolf investigative
reporter is all for herself or
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himself, and so ICIJ was created
as a network of investigative
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reporters in more than 60
countries who collaborate on
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stories that are too complex,
and that need to be told from a
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collective perspective, from
a collaborative perspective,
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that need to be
told across borders,
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in collaboration.
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The general
meeting is at 3:45.
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I am originally from Argentina.
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I went into
journalism fairly young at 18,
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decided to be a journalist.
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I saw a lot of, uh, inequality
in my country growing up,
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a lot of corruption, and I
wanted to do something about it,
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but not from an
activist point of view,
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but from a
journalistic point of view.
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MARINA: When we started
receiving the data from
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Suüddeutsche Zeitung and
analyzing it and realizing that
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it was connected
to 200 countries,
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that there were thousands
of public figures and prime
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ministers and presidents
and princesses and queens,
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and we have to do the biggest
investigation we have ever done
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to do justice to this data.
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GERARD: I have to admit, my
first thought was skepticism
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because I thought, well, we've
done these stories on
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off-shore before.
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We've done, I
think at that stage,
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four or five of them, and I was
wondering how it was gonna be
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possible to get all the media
partners interested in doing
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another story about off-shore,
but we really had cracked the
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off-shore.
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Well, even though we had
done previous stories,
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we didn't have this kind
of information before,
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and I really thought
it was a breakthrough.
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EMILIA: 11.5 million documents.
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You have all these
complex kind of documents,
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some that you familiarize with,
but sometimes you also have
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databases within them.
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MATTHEW: They
were mostly emails,
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PDFs and everything else,
but because there were so many
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millions of documents, we had to
make it easy for journalists to
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search through them
by using data sets,
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for example, all the
clients of Mossack Fonseca,
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all the intermediaries,
clients per country,
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and so on.
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BASTIAN: Every company
has a number and a folder,
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so it's very easy to
navigate, actually,
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in the original data.
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EMILIA: Then we upload it
to a platform that we call
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"Blacklight", and
this becomes like,
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Google, where
you have a search box.
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So you're actually able to
figure out what are some names
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of people of public interest in
your country are present in
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that data.
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GERARD: One big danger here was
that someone was feeding us the
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documents and then would perhaps
slip in some false information
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into the documents.
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We wanted to make sure
that wasn't happening.
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We had done some work on
Mossack Fonseca in the past,
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so we actually had a set of
documents that we could compare
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the information we were
getting from the new source,
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the John Doe source,
with what we had before.
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So my, you know, early stage
was to to keep questioning
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everything and to make sure that
we were jumping every hurdle.
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EMILIA: We decided to
reconstruct a database of the
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companies and the shareholders
connected to Mossack Fonseca.
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It's called Linkurious, and
you just start typing people's
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names, or companies' names.
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You will get a
circle called a node,
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and if you click on
it, it start expanding,
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and then you will be able to see
how many companies a person is
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connected to or who are the
shareholders behind a company.
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MARINA: We literally took
months to make available this
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information to the journalists,
and we were making it available
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in batches up
until the very end.
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I think the last batch of
information of documents was
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released perhaps a couple of
months before publication.
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MARINA: You don't just call
great reporters that you have
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heard of.
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You have to call people that you
know you can work with who are
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excellent reporters, but
also people that you can trust.
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We had been getting to
know the team at McClatchy,
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and they ticked every box.
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They really wanted
to work as a team.
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KEVIN: Who's surprised that
bad guys hide their money?
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You know, nobody was
saying that was the surprise.
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The surprise is, yeah, you pull
this veil back and you see this
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is how they do it.
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Everything you
thought was happening,
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here's the evidence.
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It is.
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Yeah, because of...
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I'm a former South America
Bureau Chief for the company,
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and Mossack Fonseca
is a Latin company,
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Latin clients, and so it was
an area that I could help with.
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I grew up in-in
Ecuador as a child.
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I grew up a little different
than most Americans because I
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saw the poverty, I saw kids with
no legs begging in front of the
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soccer stadium on Saturdays, and
so you know this different world
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exists, but to have it so
spelled out clearly where you
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can see.
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You can start to see
these connections,
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and then the rest of it
is kind of the legwork.
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Okay, you know they
have an offshore account,
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so what?
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You know, what do
you do from there?
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What more can you
say about that?
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MARISA: Usually as
a, as a reporter,
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you have tips, you have some
kind of roadmap of where you
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want to go with a story.
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With this, we had
absolutely no roadmap.
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We weren't the
big guys, you know?
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We were the ones who tried to
break stories that the big guys
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didn't have.
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We were the, the
underdogs, to some degree.
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It was also something that
we had to kind of sell to our
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company at the time, because
they had decided that they were
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gonna shut their
foreign bureaus.
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They were
wondering what value,
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foreign news would
have to their readers.
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Why are people gonna care that
the rich don't pay their taxes
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and crooks are crooks?
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Everyone knows that.
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What he didn't understand is
that this was such an enormous
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amount of data, it
was revealing a,
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a whole world.
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It wasn't just a
story about offshores;
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It was, it was the goods.
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We had the goods
on how it worked.
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JOÓHANNES: I'm a
nerd about journalism.
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I had been a
journalist for over 15 years,
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and I look at myself as a
person that wants to be the
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pipeline for minority
groups to publish their story,
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to ask questions inside the
government and find answers for
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those groups.
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JOÓHANNES: I got a
call from Marina Walker,
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the Deputy Director of ICIJ.
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She asked me, do-do you
want to work on a leak?
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And we have a lot of
Icelandic names in the leak.
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And we have your prime
minister there and his wife.
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And at that moment, uh,
everything froze in front of me.
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I thought to myself, wow, this
is going to be a bomb here
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in Iceland.
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Nobody knew about his
offshore company called Wintris.
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If you Googled Wintris
before the Panama Papers,
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you couldn't find anything, and
the prime minister hadn't been
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transparent about his
involvement into the
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offshore world.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it's a
pleasure for me to be here today
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at Iceland Investment Forum.
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It takes time for any given
country to resurface from
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political turmoil after a
large-scale economic crisis.
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We've already made
significant progress,
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and I'm convinced that the
policy this government has put
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forward is a sound one, and that
is what bring further benefits.
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I have to admit that when
you hear the prime minister is
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involved, his wife
and other big business,
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people in Iceland
very powerful people,
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then you start to think
about what will happen?
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Hope to see you and
your money in Iceland.
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[laughter]
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[applause]
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[traffic noise]
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GERARD: At this point,
we continue on to London,
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and I met with The Guardian,
because I knew if they were
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involved that it'd be easier to
convince other media partners to
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get involved.
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LUKE: This was a
really important leak.
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I think, I think we've had three
super leaks this century so far.
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We have Wikileaks where we
got the kind of unmediated view
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of the most
powerful country on Earth,
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the United States.
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NEWS REPORTER 14: The
biggest leak of U.S.
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military secrets ever.
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Website Wikileaks hit the
"send" button on some 400,000
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sensitive
documents about the Iraq war.
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[gunshots]
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LUKE: Then we had
Snowden who came along,
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who proved that all of our data
is being collected all the time,
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that we're being surveilled.
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I, sitting at my desk, uh,
certainly had the authorities
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to wiretap anyone from you
or your accountant to a federal
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judge to even the President,
if I had a personal email.
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LUKE: He sort of lifted what I
would call mass surveillance.
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And then we had
the Panama Papers.
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We had emails, uh, between the
law firm and what they called
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their clients, which typically
meant other intermediaries,
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banks, lawyers,
accountants all over the world.
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We had passport scans and we had
kind of incorporation documents,
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we had a lot of postage
stamps from these very
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exotic locations.
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Pretty much all of it was set up
so that no one can kind of
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peer inside.
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And, and suddenly, we had a
kind of treasure trove of stuff.
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I've been on The
Guardian for about 20 years.
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12 years as a foreign
correspondent bouncing around
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the world:
Afghanistan, Iraq, Berlin,
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and then I was
placed into Moscow,
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where I kind of really plunged
into what you might call kind of
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post-Soviet muck.
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Corruption,
espionage, Vladimir Putin,
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his money,
question mark, and so on.
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JULIETTE: You're
not just going in,
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going oh, look, you know, here's
the whole story in black and
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white for me.
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It's a lot of
detective work, of,
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of painstaking piecing together.
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You don't just dump stuff.
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You find the narratives, you
make them matter to people.
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I joined The Guardian in
2011 as telecoms correspondent,
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and, because I speak French, I
was pulled into an investigation
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into HSBC Bank, and
its Swiss operation,
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which was the first ICIJ
investigation that I'd
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worked on.
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NEWS REPORTER 15: The massive
investigation by media outlets
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including France's Le Monde and
Britain's Guardian Newspaper.
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They've revealed that HSBC Swiss
private banking arm has helped
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thousands of wealthy
clients to evade tax.
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JULIETTE: It was a
big story over here,
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and then I, I got brought in to
do the Panama Papers a few month
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after that.
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MATTHEW: I knew that there were
companies in Malta that were
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using Mossack Fonseca to set up
companies in Panama for their
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clients, but what I never
imagined was that I would find
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the name of a
cabinet minister in there.
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There were three
companies that were set up.
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The names of Konrad Mizzi
and of Konrad Mizzi's wife,
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Sai Mizzi, and Konrad
Mizzi's children appeared in
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the documentation.
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There were never any names given
for the third company, Egrant.
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My mother, through a
different sources,
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one of who worked in a bank
where documentation related to
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this third company was kept,
worked out that the shares were
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being held in the name of
the Prime Minister's wife,
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Michelle Muscat.
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I think that's when we realized
that what we were dealing with
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in Malta was a
system of state capture,
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that every institution of the
state has been captured by
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this gang.
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They're laundering money,
they're laundering campaign
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funding, and they're going to
go to prison for a long time.
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I was sure of that at the time.
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WOMAN 1: This is all about
secrecy and the ability to hide
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your money, your assets.
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LUKE: The rich
and the super-rich,
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together with most sort of
multi-national corporations,
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essentially exited quietly, sort
of slipped off stage from the
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messy business of-of-of
universal taxation some
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time ago.
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Before I started work
on the Panama Papers,
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I thought that
offshore was a kind of small,
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minor, who cares, you know,
little aspect of the economic
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system we knew
not so much about,
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and after reading
the Panama Papers,
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I realized it is
the economic system.
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It is the system.
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Eight trillion dollars
is stuffed in tax havens,
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western countries,
including the U.S.,
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are losing about 200 billion
dollars a year in tax revenues.
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PAUL: We were still
debating, at that time,
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whether tax avoidance was a
matter of public interest or
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not, or could you simply do
what you liked with your money?
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But what it did
establish for us,
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the scale of it, it just showed
you there were underground
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rivers of money washing around
the globe unbeknownst to
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most people.
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MARINA: We are writing about an
incredibly damaging part of our
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economy that has become so
central and so mainstream that
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it's creating French revolution
levels of inequality
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and injustice.
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And the challenge we have is to
be able to bring this story home
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to people, to show them that
this story matters to you,
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affects your
life, and guess what?
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You are the
victim in this story.
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JOHN: Decisions have
been made that
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have spared the wealthy,
while focusing instead on
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reining in middle and
low-income citizens.
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The collective impact of these
failures has been a complete
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erosion of ethical standards,
ultimately leading to a novel
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system we still call capitalism,
but which is tantamount to
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economic slavery.
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Hopelessly backward and
inefficient courts have failed.
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Judges have too often acquiesced
to the arguments of the rich
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whose lawyers, and not
just Mossack Fonseca,
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are well-trained in honoring
the letter of the law while
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simultaneously doing everything
in their power to desecrate
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its spirit.
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BEN ON PHONE: Leave your number,
and I will get back to you as
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soon as I can.
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Thank you very much.
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KEVIN: Ben, hey, it's Kevin.
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Since we have
outstanding matters,
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give me a shout back.
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Bye.
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One of the things that is
particularly interesting about
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the Panama Papers is you
have all the email traffic,
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all these different people who
appear in these email threads
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going back and forth on
how to handle something.
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You see their personalities
and who in the Compliance
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Department, who is more serious
about really cracking down and
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the tension between
management and compliance.
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So at one point, the
Geneva office basically says,
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you know, they-they found that
you've got a Syrian tied to a,
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to Bashar Al-Assad whose now
under sanction and everything at
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the time of these emails,
and the Geneva office says,
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well, HSBC's still working
with him so I don't see why
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we shouldn't.
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You know, so you kinda
see what their thinking is.
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You know, they're willing
to work with bad money,
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they just have to
be clean about it.
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JACK: The customer said, I need
to do the following in terms of
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hiding money.
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Will you do it for me?
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And Mossack Fonseca,
these are all on the records,
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would say sure, we'll give
you a Panamanian corporation,
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a trust a bank
account somewhere else,
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and not to worry.
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Nobody will follow the trail.
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♪♪
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So simplified, it would explain
how the system works in a really
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understandable way.
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I worked on a case involving a
drug trafficker in the
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Cayman Islands.
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His lawyer in Miami said, go see
Joe Blow in the Cayman Islands
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and he'll set you up.
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AL: We got
everything a man could want.
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JACK: Joe Blow in the Cayman
Islands sets up a corporation,
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the corporation
opens a bank account.
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The guy who is the drug
trafficker now puts money in the
491
00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:50,913
bank account and lets the lawyer
in Cayman control that
492
00:26:50,957 --> 00:26:52,132
bank account.
493
00:26:52,175 --> 00:26:54,047
There comes a moment
six months later...
494
00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:56,658
ACTOR 1: [on phone]
You took out the money.
495
00:26:56,702 --> 00:26:58,094
AL: Yeah.
496
00:26:58,138 --> 00:27:00,140
JACK: He wants to move the
money to hide the trail,
497
00:27:00,183 --> 00:27:02,272
and he calls the
lawyer and says,
498
00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:05,058
well, we need another bank
account in the name of another
499
00:27:05,101 --> 00:27:07,277
corporation, and I want
to transfer the money from
500
00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:11,717
Corporation A to Corporation B,
and let's do it so the amounts
501
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,935
don't match.
502
00:27:12,979 --> 00:27:15,634
And then, the moment
comes when he says,
503
00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:18,680
I want to use the money, and
he goes back for the lawyer in
504
00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:21,988
Cayman and he says, we're
gonna have the bank that has the
505
00:27:22,031 --> 00:27:26,862
second transfer lend the money
to the guy's brother who owns a,
506
00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:29,604
massage parlor in Houston.
507
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,999
That way, it'll
look like a loan, non-taxable.
508
00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:33,956
Where did you get it?
509
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,349
I borrowed it.
510
00:27:35,392 --> 00:27:37,525
The whole thing looks
like it's perfectly clean
511
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:38,918
and perfectly okay.
512
00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:40,876
[laughter]
513
00:27:49,929 --> 00:27:54,150
[background chatter]
514
00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:55,891
BASTIAN: Hey, how you doing?
515
00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:59,678
I was kind of skeptical because
I wasn't a big fan of inviting
516
00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:01,331
so many colleagues.
517
00:28:01,375 --> 00:28:03,377
I thought, you know, maybe
50 or 100 really enough,
518
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:10,123
and we knew around 50 or 100
from previous investigations,
519
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:12,342
so we trusted them.
520
00:28:12,386 --> 00:28:18,348
JOURNALIST: Do they know
that you got the data?
521
00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:20,089
Or that it's out there
available for someone?
522
00:28:23,484 --> 00:28:28,924
FREDERIK: I wondered if we could
keep this whole project secret.
523
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:32,580
There's one basic rule,
and that might sound rude,
524
00:28:32,623 --> 00:28:33,581
but it's important.
525
00:28:33,624 --> 00:28:35,757
That's shut up and encrypt.
526
00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:39,761
We always told our colleagues
that you cannot tell anyone.
527
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:42,242
Not your wife, not
your best friend,
528
00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:45,724
nobody, about this project, and
you have to encrypt everything.
529
00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:52,687
GERARD: You know, my primary
interest at this-this stage of
530
00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:54,994
the investigation was to
establish public interest.
531
00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:57,083
So we only were
interested in public figures.
532
00:28:57,126 --> 00:28:59,868
You know,
politicians, businesspeople,
533
00:28:59,912 --> 00:29:01,565
anyone with a public profile.
534
00:29:01,609 --> 00:29:06,657
And you know, the fastest way to
find that out is to give a set
535
00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:08,834
of documents from Indonesia
to an Indonesian journalist.
536
00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:11,532
Give a set of documents
from Iceland to an
537
00:29:11,575 --> 00:29:13,142
Icelandic journalist.
538
00:29:13,186 --> 00:29:15,318
They would identify pretty
quickly who was worth looking at
539
00:29:15,362 --> 00:29:17,103
on this list and who
wasn't worth looking at.
540
00:29:24,675 --> 00:29:26,808
[laughter]
541
00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:28,767
JOSEPH: I was angry that I had,
nobody had called me,
542
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,812
and I wasn't, I wasn't
involved. [laughs]
543
00:29:30,856 --> 00:29:33,728
You know, I have never
collaborated in a giant thing
544
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:34,816
like that.
545
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,123
I collaborate
within my newsroom,
546
00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,778
sometimes with,
like, one, you know,
547
00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:40,953
an outside group.
548
00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:43,303
Most news
organizations are not global,
549
00:29:43,346 --> 00:29:45,305
and then I think this becomes
much more important because it
550
00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:48,395
seems like more and more,
the best stories are global.
551
00:29:48,438 --> 00:29:50,440
This was like a ringing
affirmation that you can
552
00:29:50,484 --> 00:29:52,181
actually do it, uh, and
you can do it at-at scale.
553
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:03,236
Then the ICIJ said, for example,
we need somebody in Panama.
554
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,893
And I said, I don't
trust anybody in Panama.
555
00:30:07,936 --> 00:30:17,641
♪♪
556
00:30:17,685 --> 00:30:27,216
♪♪
557
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:35,485
[speaking foreign language]
558
00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:36,617
RITA: When I first looked
at the assignment
559
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,533
that we
were going to do, I flipped.
560
00:30:39,576 --> 00:30:41,448
And the first document I
saw, it was an invoice.
561
00:30:41,491 --> 00:30:43,319
That's when I said, oh, my god.
562
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:47,410
This is huge, because invoices
are probably one of the most,
563
00:30:47,454 --> 00:30:51,327
private
documents within a law firm,
564
00:30:51,371 --> 00:30:54,591
and then when I see the names of
people I know in the database,
565
00:30:54,635 --> 00:30:59,422
you know, I was really, really,
really scared because I knew
566
00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:03,035
what was coming behind that,
and I knew the consequences that
567
00:31:03,078 --> 00:31:05,559
this was going to have.
568
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:09,476
WOMAN 2: Rita Vasquez was also a
lawyer in the offshore services
569
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,262
industry for many years,
so when we learned that,
570
00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:15,047
we were fascinated.
571
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:19,138
We had the opportunity to work
with an insider who understands
572
00:31:19,181 --> 00:31:22,924
this industry from within.
573
00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:26,101
RITA: Seeing my friends and
people that I care for in that
574
00:31:26,145 --> 00:31:28,974
data really made me wanted to
go deeper into the project.
575
00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:36,024
As a newspaper organization,
it is not our duty to tell if a
576
00:31:36,068 --> 00:31:38,026
private person is doing
something wrong with their own
577
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:41,160
money, but it's our duty to tell
if somebody who had access to
578
00:31:41,203 --> 00:31:44,032
public funds or if
somebody who had,
579
00:31:44,076 --> 00:31:46,774
be part of a government or had
some sort of a jurisdictional
580
00:31:46,817 --> 00:31:49,864
power was doing something wrong.
581
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:54,521
[printing press]
582
00:31:54,564 --> 00:31:58,307
ROBERTO: The mandate of La
Prensa was to return freedom of
583
00:31:58,351 --> 00:32:04,009
expression to the country as an
infrastructure for democracy.
584
00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:05,793
In the midst of dictatorship.
585
00:32:20,634 --> 00:32:22,984
ROBERTO: But somehow it
worked, and in six months,
586
00:32:23,028 --> 00:32:26,205
we were the newspaper
of record of Panama.
587
00:32:26,248 --> 00:32:29,164
When we sat at our first
editorial meeting after
588
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,297
everything was set
up, we said, well,
589
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:32,907
how are we gonna handle this?
590
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:37,346
Do we go softly increasing
our pressure or do we hit 'em
591
00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:39,958
straight in the
face from day one?
592
00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:41,046
We decided the second.
593
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:49,315
♪♪
594
00:32:49,358 --> 00:32:51,230
SCOTT: When we
heard Mossack Fonseca,
595
00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:54,624
we knew that we were uniquely
positioned within the project
596
00:32:54,668 --> 00:32:57,149
because I played for the Mossack
Fonseca softball team in
597
00:32:57,192 --> 00:32:58,846
the BVI.
598
00:32:58,889 --> 00:33:03,329
Four of our closest friends
worked for Mossack Fonseca.
599
00:33:03,372 --> 00:33:06,332
And so we had a perspective
that out of the journalists,
600
00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:09,900
there were two people that
knew the inner workings of that
601
00:33:09,944 --> 00:33:11,772
company better than anybody.
602
00:33:13,556 --> 00:33:16,820
My journalism career was never
going to lead to any kind
603
00:33:16,864 --> 00:33:18,170
of greatness.
604
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,041
I was never gonna work
for the New York Times.
605
00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:22,000
You know, I was the English
editor of La Prensa in Panama.
606
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:25,046
That's not the sort of
things that make a great bio,
607
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:28,136
and I always compared it to a
career minor league pitcher that
608
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:32,836
suddenly you get to start
game seven of the World Series.
609
00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:34,490
When you find out
it's world leaders,
610
00:33:34,534 --> 00:33:35,970
it's drug traffickers.
611
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,234
la Reina Del Sur, who is
one of the most famous female
612
00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:42,455
narco-terrorists in
history; Carlos Quintero,
613
00:33:42,498 --> 00:33:46,937
who is described as making
Pablo Escobar look like a baby.
614
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,116
All of these names that
come flooding at you,
615
00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:55,859
and you, your first thought is,
how did they get away with this?
616
00:34:34,376 --> 00:34:36,465
BASTIAN: At least
that's my assumption.
617
00:34:36,509 --> 00:34:42,863
I mean, we've been working on
offshore since, for 2012.
618
00:34:44,299 --> 00:34:46,780
My private
explanation, more or less,
619
00:34:46,823 --> 00:34:51,567
is that I know that the source
had contact with other outlets,
620
00:34:51,611 --> 00:34:56,094
even before me, and they had
not reacted in the way that the
621
00:34:56,137 --> 00:34:58,661
leaker wished they had.
622
00:34:59,314 --> 00:35:01,403
JOSEPH: Some outlets may have
passed just because they tend
623
00:35:01,447 --> 00:35:03,536
not to do giant collaborations.
624
00:35:03,579 --> 00:35:05,973
You're devoting some of your
best people to something that
625
00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:07,148
might take a year.
626
00:35:07,192 --> 00:35:08,758
That, resources are scarce.
627
00:35:08,802 --> 00:35:12,240
Investigative talent on
your payroll is-is scarce,
628
00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:15,025
it's expensive, and you're,
you're taking a leap into
629
00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:17,332
something that,
from the beginning,
630
00:35:17,376 --> 00:35:19,204
you know is not
gonna be an exclusive.
631
00:35:19,247 --> 00:35:22,294
♪♪
632
00:35:22,337 --> 00:35:23,643
JOHN: The media has failed.
633
00:35:23,686 --> 00:35:26,733
In addition to
Suüddeutsche Zeitung and ICIJ,
634
00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:29,649
and despite explicit
claims to the contrary,
635
00:35:29,692 --> 00:35:33,131
several major media outlets did
have editors review documents
636
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:34,610
for the Panama Papers.
637
00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:37,047
They chose not to cover them.
638
00:35:39,876 --> 00:35:44,272
BASTIAN: There's this probably
frustrated person or those
639
00:35:44,316 --> 00:35:50,496
persons, we don't know,
trying to reach someone that is
640
00:35:50,539 --> 00:35:52,150
actually listening.
641
00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:54,282
LUKE: I mean, there was a flavor
of John Doe's personality.
642
00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:56,676
John Doe was
worried about exposure.
643
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,547
He was also kind of worried
about his own sort of personal
644
00:35:58,591 --> 00:36:00,201
safety, so we
don't know who it is.
645
00:36:00,245 --> 00:36:01,594
It could be a he,
it could be a she.
646
00:36:01,637 --> 00:36:02,812
I don't think it's a they.
647
00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:05,598
KEVIN: I don't
think anyone benefits,
648
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:07,513
you know, it's kind of death by
a thousand cuts if you give a
649
00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:09,471
little information here, a
little information there,
650
00:36:09,515 --> 00:36:11,517
you end up
compromising your source,
651
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,649
and so I've kind of
pushed back internally,
652
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:17,087
I think, on that, so that
people are more cautious about
653
00:36:17,131 --> 00:36:18,741
what they say about the source.
654
00:36:18,785 --> 00:36:21,048
JOSEPH: There are lots of good
reasons for sources to be afraid
655
00:36:21,091 --> 00:36:22,223
of talking to the press.
656
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:24,704
It can be
an enormous risk.
657
00:36:24,747 --> 00:36:26,706
You know,
they can get fired,
658
00:36:26,749 --> 00:36:28,577
they can get
jailed in some places,
659
00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:30,231
they can get killed.
660
00:36:30,275 --> 00:36:31,841
And so, but one of those
reasons is they don't trust the
661
00:36:31,885 --> 00:36:33,930
operational security of the
journalist,
662
00:36:33,974 --> 00:36:36,890
and sometimes they're right
to be very worried about that,
663
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:38,892
and they should, you know,
if you're a source out there,
664
00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:41,242
you should do your due
diligence and pick your
665
00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:42,461
journalist carefully.
666
00:36:42,504 --> 00:36:45,638
JOHN: I've watched
as one after another,
667
00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:49,207
whistleblowers and activists
in the United States and Europe
668
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:52,253
have had their lives destroyed,
and the circumstances they find
669
00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:55,256
themselves in after shining a
light on obvious wrongdoing.
670
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,477
NEWS REPORTER 16: Snowden,
who was holed up in Hong Kong,
671
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,131
wanted in the U.S.,
is now in Russia.
672
00:37:01,175 --> 00:37:03,264
JOHN: Edward Snowden
is stranded in Moscow,
673
00:37:03,308 --> 00:37:06,224
exiled due to the Obama
Administration's decision to
674
00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:08,791
prosecute him under
the Espionage Act.
675
00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:11,794
Bradley Birkenfeld was awarded
millions for his information
676
00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:15,363
concerning Swiss bank UBS,
and was still given a prison
677
00:37:15,407 --> 00:37:17,496
sentence by the
Justice Department.
678
00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:20,586
Legitimate whistleblowers
who expose unquestionable
679
00:37:20,629 --> 00:37:23,458
wrongdoing, whether
insiders or outsiders,
680
00:37:23,502 --> 00:37:25,678
deserve immunity from
government retribution.
681
00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:33,033
[bell ringing]
682
00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:38,343
WOMAN 3: Because of its
nature, of how global it was,
683
00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:42,172
we all realized that we need
to get together in person,
684
00:37:42,216 --> 00:37:44,653
so Munich was the
perfect place, of course,
685
00:37:44,697 --> 00:37:48,962
because we needed to go to the
home of Suüddeutsche Zeitung.
686
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:51,269
KEVIN: That, itself,
had to stay secret,
687
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:54,228
so you couldn't say,
"I'm in Munich for X."
688
00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:56,143
People will naturally
ask, well, you know,
689
00:37:56,186 --> 00:37:57,797
what, what are you doing there?
690
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,277
Oh, work meeting or, uh, you had
to come up with something that
691
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,757
didn't sound anything like
what you were doing there.
692
00:38:01,801 --> 00:38:09,722
[background chatter]
693
00:38:09,765 --> 00:38:15,554
BASTIAN: The meeting was
kind of the decisive point.
694
00:38:15,597 --> 00:38:19,601
it was more or less our job to
make people enthusiastic about
695
00:38:19,645 --> 00:38:21,255
it and to get them on board.
696
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:24,824
[speaking foreign language]
697
00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:26,129
BASTIAN: I was so nervous.
698
00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:27,740
I hadn't slept for three
nights because it was,
699
00:38:27,783 --> 00:38:30,395
I mean, I was really, really
nervous because I thought if I
700
00:38:30,438 --> 00:38:34,224
mess this up, you know,
then this is the big,
701
00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:35,791
the big chance.
702
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:37,663
The biggest collaboration of
investigative journalists...
703
00:38:37,706 --> 00:38:41,667
Sitting in front of more than a
hundred journalists showed me
704
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:45,148
the first time how big this
project already was at
705
00:38:45,192 --> 00:38:47,847
that moment.
706
00:38:48,717 --> 00:38:49,979
JULIETTE: It was like the
United Nations of journalism,
707
00:38:50,023 --> 00:38:52,373
and I've never
experienced anything like it.
708
00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:54,462
We were working on a story,
and we were all working on
709
00:38:54,506 --> 00:38:55,550
it together.
710
00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:57,509
EMILIA: Sorry, well, I'm Emilia.
711
00:38:57,552 --> 00:38:58,466
I'm from Venezuela.
712
00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:00,120
I think...
713
00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:03,297
MARINA: We are not, uh,
forcing you to do this story.
714
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,647
We are not paying
you to do this story.
715
00:39:05,691 --> 00:39:08,911
This is the story, and
you need to invest in it,
716
00:39:08,955 --> 00:39:12,045
and you are only going to get
out of it as much as you put
717
00:39:12,088 --> 00:39:14,308
into it.
718
00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,615
BASTIAN: Everybody
was, I'm all in.
719
00:39:16,658 --> 00:39:18,965
I want to know more.
720
00:39:26,755 --> 00:39:30,672
WOMAN 3: It's a time right
now in newsrooms of
721
00:39:30,716 --> 00:39:32,065
great uncertainty.
722
00:39:32,108 --> 00:39:34,459
You know, what will be
the fate of newspapers,
723
00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:39,507
which used to be the
watchdogs of the media.
724
00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:43,642
LUKE: In a time when
everyone is broke,
725
00:39:43,685 --> 00:39:46,384
when no one's clicking the ads,
where Facebook is taking all our
726
00:39:46,427 --> 00:39:49,256
money, where, where
newsrooms are-are just kind of
727
00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:52,738
empty-pocketed...
728
00:39:52,781 --> 00:39:55,001
MARINA: We really had
to convince these media
729
00:39:55,044 --> 00:39:57,438
organizations and these
journalists to work together,
730
00:39:57,482 --> 00:40:00,006
and we often got responses
like, why do we need you?
731
00:40:00,049 --> 00:40:01,616
Or why do we need one another?
732
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:03,313
We can do it on our own.
733
00:40:03,357 --> 00:40:08,449
And perhaps 10, 15 years ago, it
was pre-media crisis and a lot
734
00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:11,887
of newspapers were
feeling really strong still,
735
00:40:11,931 --> 00:40:14,977
and they still had foreign
correspondents and thought that
736
00:40:15,021 --> 00:40:18,851
they could do it on their own,
but as the crisis in the media
737
00:40:18,894 --> 00:40:22,420
took place, and
stories became more complex,
738
00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:27,686
as technology evolved, it became
obvious that we needed to join
739
00:40:27,729 --> 00:40:31,690
forces, and they learned through
the process how much more
740
00:40:31,733 --> 00:40:36,695
impactful and powerful their
reporting can become when we
741
00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:40,220
work as a collective.
742
00:40:41,787 --> 00:40:44,833
BASTIAN: We immediately realized
the impact of having more people
743
00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:49,708
from different countries inside
the investigation because we had
744
00:40:49,751 --> 00:40:52,058
more, more, more findings.
745
00:40:52,101 --> 00:40:54,452
LUKE: Generally, I would
say we found the anonymous
746
00:40:54,495 --> 00:40:56,236
international rich.
747
00:40:56,279 --> 00:40:59,805
We, we found Spanish royals, we
found a German chicken farmer,
748
00:40:59,848 --> 00:41:02,851
we found a French dentist,
we found people who would,
749
00:41:02,895 --> 00:41:04,810
use fake names when
dealing with their lawyers,
750
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,812
so instead of saying,
you know, you know,
751
00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:09,510
hello, here is Ivan,
you know, they would say,
752
00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:10,859
"Hi, it's Harry Potter."
753
00:41:10,903 --> 00:41:12,861
And, and there
was correspondents,
754
00:41:12,905 --> 00:41:16,343
you know, dear
Harry, your $25,000
755
00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:17,997
has arrived in the Bahamas.
756
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,738
I mean, it was just like the wo-
most weird fishing expedition.
757
00:41:19,781 --> 00:41:21,870
I mean, there were
fish you would expect,
758
00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:23,785
and there was some very ugly,
small fish you didn't expect.
759
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:25,657
BASTIAN: Whenever I
went into the data,
760
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:26,919
I found something new.
761
00:41:26,962 --> 00:41:29,574
I found scandals
in Africa, in Latin America.
762
00:41:33,186 --> 00:41:34,622
SPORTS ANNOUNCER: Messi now,
everyone on the edge of their
763
00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:36,929
seats, Messi going for goal!
764
00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:37,973
Oh!
765
00:41:38,017 --> 00:41:39,758
[fans cheering]
766
00:41:39,801 --> 00:41:41,150
SPORTS ANNOUNCER:
He's a man on a mission!
767
00:41:41,194 --> 00:41:43,501
MAN 2: Lionel Messi, his
family fortune,
768
00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:47,156
is in the Panama Papers,
and is now in the courts.
769
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,637
No one in their right mind in
Latin America thought that FIFA
770
00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:51,160
wasn't corrupt.
771
00:41:53,162 --> 00:41:55,034
It was not a surprise to
find the FIFA officials.
772
00:41:55,077 --> 00:41:58,777
That was kind of one of, people
thought was gonna be in there.
773
00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:01,040
Kids are under
contract, 13 or 14,
774
00:42:01,083 --> 00:42:04,565
whether or not they ever become
a pro has very little to do with
775
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:07,437
their talent level, and more to
do with which lawyer is screwing
776
00:42:07,481 --> 00:42:09,091
what agent in a business deal.
777
00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:12,094
In Lionel Messi, there's no
evidence that he himself had any
778
00:42:12,138 --> 00:42:15,054
hand in any of this, but the
people who handle him and the
779
00:42:15,097 --> 00:42:16,838
whole contracts and
everything, they did.
780
00:42:19,754 --> 00:42:22,975
GIANNI: And we will restore the
image of FIFA and the respect of
781
00:42:23,018 --> 00:42:26,021
FIFA, and everyone in the world
will applaud us and will applaud
782
00:42:26,065 --> 00:42:30,852
all of you for what we'll
do in FIFA in the future.
783
00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:33,638
[APPLAUSE]
784
00:42:38,033 --> 00:42:40,862
LUKE: We found Sergey
Roldugin, Putin's best friend,
785
00:42:40,906 --> 00:42:43,952
ostensibly, second-hand
car, not very wealthy,
786
00:42:43,996 --> 00:42:46,215
but we found almost
a billion dollars.
787
00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:49,305
It came from Bank Rossiya, which
is a kind of crony bank from the
788
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:53,832
regime in Saint Petersburg,
right through to secret offshore
789
00:42:53,875 --> 00:42:56,835
companies, and then a lot of
that cash was recycled back into
790
00:42:56,878 --> 00:43:00,621
Russia, including, um, into
the wedding resort where Putin's
791
00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:03,015
daughter, Caterina,
got married in 2013.
792
00:43:03,058 --> 00:43:05,844
And so from
Russia, what we saw was,
793
00:43:05,887 --> 00:43:08,020
in a way, what you might call
a kind of neo-feudal system.
794
00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,676
You could see how not
just Putin's KGB chums were
795
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,070
billionaires, but how the next
generation were accumulating
796
00:43:15,114 --> 00:43:18,770
assets, marrying each other,
dodging American sanctions and
797
00:43:18,813 --> 00:43:20,075
so on.
798
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:21,947
BASTIAN: I mean, if
you're Vladimir Putin,
799
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:23,862
you don't go to
Mossack Fonseca and say,
800
00:43:23,905 --> 00:43:25,298
"I want a company in my name."
801
00:43:25,341 --> 00:43:27,692
But you'd probably send
someone that you trust.
802
00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:30,085
And this is exactly
how this world works.
803
00:43:30,129 --> 00:43:36,744
TIM: When you can set up
corporations in such a complex
804
00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:39,660
way and changing ownership.
805
00:43:39,704 --> 00:43:42,054
One woman I looked
into was Leticia Montoya,
806
00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:46,275
a director in
10,969 corporations.
807
00:43:50,149 --> 00:43:52,717
Think about that.
808
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,850
I mean, she doesn't, has no
idea whatsoever what those
809
00:43:55,894 --> 00:43:56,721
corporations do.
810
00:44:07,601 --> 00:44:09,211
RITA: It's just a job,
and she's a secretary.
811
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:12,954
She, I mean, those who went to
her house could have seen that
812
00:44:12,998 --> 00:44:16,697
she has no money, she lives
in a fisherman community,
813
00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:18,133
not in the city.
814
00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:21,136
I mean, it's not like she
made any money on this.
815
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:24,183
♪♪
816
00:44:24,226 --> 00:44:28,230
JACK: This has gone on country
after country after country.
817
00:44:28,274 --> 00:44:32,670
The amounts that are being
pulled out are really at the
818
00:44:32,713 --> 00:44:37,762
expense of average people who
simply can't get services from
819
00:44:37,805 --> 00:44:40,721
their government because
the money's been flat stolen.
820
00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:45,726
[applause]
821
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:49,338
JACK: I spoke at a conference
to the Inter-American Bar
822
00:44:49,382 --> 00:44:52,733
Association in
Cochabamba, Bolivia,
823
00:44:52,777 --> 00:44:58,086
and I tried to say, lawyers
job is to keep people honest,
824
00:44:58,130 --> 00:45:02,177
and you shouldn't be helping
them evade the law or break
825
00:45:02,221 --> 00:45:03,613
the law.
826
00:45:03,657 --> 00:45:06,573
My audience began
to laugh at me.
827
00:45:06,616 --> 00:45:08,749
I blew up.
828
00:45:08,793 --> 00:45:11,665
Why do you think you
don't have clean water?
829
00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:13,841
Why do you think
people are so poor?
830
00:45:13,885 --> 00:45:18,150
It's because you, as a
group of professionals,
831
00:45:18,193 --> 00:45:22,763
are teaching people how not to
be participants in your society.
832
00:45:22,807 --> 00:45:24,678
[background chatter]
833
00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:27,289
SCOTT: The
fundamental question I ask is,
834
00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:29,552
well, who makes money off this?
835
00:45:29,596 --> 00:45:31,772
Who makes money
off this industry?
836
00:45:31,816 --> 00:45:34,775
And obviously, Mossack
Fonseca made a lot of money,
837
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:37,256
and obviously their
clients who avoid taxes,
838
00:45:37,299 --> 00:45:40,650
they make a lot of money, but
banks also make a lot of money,
839
00:45:40,694 --> 00:45:43,175
financial
institutions, Wall Street.
840
00:45:43,218 --> 00:45:46,831
You can't have a major
business if you don't have banks
841
00:45:46,874 --> 00:45:48,833
complicit with your business.
842
00:45:48,876 --> 00:45:52,793
TIM: The banks are certainly a
key cog in this whole mechanism
843
00:45:52,837 --> 00:45:56,014
set up to create distance
between the real owners of the
844
00:45:56,057 --> 00:45:58,799
money and-and-and the
corporations that nominally,
845
00:45:58,843 --> 00:46:02,890
have control over it,
but banks donate a lot to
846
00:46:02,934 --> 00:46:07,155
politicians, and uh,
[chuckles] you know,
847
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:08,766
there you go.
848
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:12,465
WOMAN 4: The banks and the
accounting firms and the law
849
00:46:12,508 --> 00:46:16,208
firms, they are basically
spending all of their resources
850
00:46:16,251 --> 00:46:21,779
in trying to damage national
treasuries in creating an
851
00:46:21,822 --> 00:46:26,784
illusion of-of an economic
system that works only for the
852
00:46:26,827 --> 00:46:32,311
1%, and they are working to
deepen that gap between the 1%
853
00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:34,748
and the rest of the world.
854
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:48,849
♪♪
855
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,289
[background chatter]
856
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:55,856
WOMAN 4: We found David
Cameron's dad in the data with
857
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:58,032
his offshore fund.
858
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:00,687
DAVID: I'm
very relaxed about,
859
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:01,775
publishing these things.
860
00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:05,083
There's no secrets
about my status.
861
00:47:05,126 --> 00:47:08,782
I am paid handsomely
as your Prime Minister,
862
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,871
and that is my
main source of income,
863
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:14,005
and I have a house I used to
live in before I moved into
864
00:47:14,048 --> 00:47:16,616
Downing Street, and I rent that
out and I get the income
865
00:47:16,659 --> 00:47:17,747
from that.
866
00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:18,879
I don't have other
sources of income,
867
00:47:18,923 --> 00:47:20,446
so there will be
no surprises,
868
00:47:20,489 --> 00:47:22,883
in terms of my tax
affairs, but I'm very relaxed,
869
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:23,623
as I've always said.
870
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:25,190
Nothing's changed.
871
00:47:26,104 --> 00:47:26,713
JULIETTE: It wasn't even a
surprise that his dad had had
872
00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:28,062
a fund.
873
00:47:28,106 --> 00:47:29,890
It's just that he
wouldn't say he had money in it.
874
00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:32,414
In order to not have
the fund taxed in the UK,
875
00:47:32,458 --> 00:47:34,416
you had to have majority of
foreign directors on the company
876
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:36,462
board, so the third
was Swiss, a third were,
877
00:47:36,505 --> 00:47:38,594
were in the Bahamas, and-and
everything was run out of the
878
00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:41,119
Bahamas, so they had this army
of people just assign things
879
00:47:41,162 --> 00:47:43,251
there, so they
were pretending to,
880
00:47:43,295 --> 00:47:46,602
devise the investment
strategy and trade gold and
881
00:47:46,646 --> 00:47:49,127
bonds and things like that, but
all the instructions were coming
882
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,085
by telephone from London.
883
00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:56,656
MAN 2: One of the thing is we
found is not only did Mossack
884
00:47:56,699 --> 00:47:59,964
Fonseca have a number of Chinese
companies that it registered in
885
00:48:00,007 --> 00:48:02,357
Nevada as shell
companies, some of those,
886
00:48:02,401 --> 00:48:04,403
perhaps, to do business
in the United States,
887
00:48:04,446 --> 00:48:08,886
but more likely than not, to
hide assets somewhere else.
888
00:48:09,538 --> 00:48:12,063
MAN 3: Brazil was one of
the, the hottest things,
889
00:48:12,106 --> 00:48:14,108
and having been a
correspondent there myself,
890
00:48:14,152 --> 00:48:16,197
I was very interested in
working with the Brazilian team.
891
00:48:16,241 --> 00:48:19,940
TIM: We found
payoffs to politicians.
892
00:48:19,984 --> 00:48:23,161
More than $700 million
in bribes had been paid.
893
00:48:23,204 --> 00:48:26,294
MAN 4: Two-thirds of the
country's legislature had been
894
00:48:26,338 --> 00:48:27,948
tied to off-shore companies.
895
00:48:27,992 --> 00:48:31,517
Many of the politicians were
using shell companies through
896
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,781
Mossack Fonseca in Nevada to
hide assets they owned back in,
897
00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:36,914
in Brazil.
898
00:48:37,392 --> 00:48:39,177
Nobody pays a
bribe and says, hey,
899
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:40,395
here's a bribe.
900
00:48:40,439 --> 00:48:43,137
They do it through
consulting fees,
901
00:48:43,181 --> 00:48:45,183
they do it through
structured investments,
902
00:48:45,226 --> 00:48:46,314
and they do it through shell
companies that pay other
903
00:48:46,358 --> 00:48:47,272
shell companies.
904
00:48:51,015 --> 00:48:54,844
MAN 5: The papers were very
clear that this problem is not
905
00:48:54,888 --> 00:48:59,240
limited to small
countries in Africa.
906
00:48:59,284 --> 00:49:02,940
The problem is huge
here in the United States.
907
00:49:02,983 --> 00:49:07,901
The tax evasion problem is
huge here in the United States.
908
00:49:08,728 --> 00:49:10,077
KEVIN: There were a lot of
Americans in Panama Papers,
909
00:49:10,121 --> 00:49:12,384
so here's this
perception that there weren't.
910
00:49:12,427 --> 00:49:15,953
I think what was missing
was a Putin-type big name,
911
00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:19,434
but the very kind of people
you'd expect to be in the Panama
912
00:49:19,478 --> 00:49:21,045
Papers were in there.
913
00:49:21,088 --> 00:49:23,917
all kinds of SEC
fraud, pump and dump,
914
00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:26,224
penny stocks, and a
lot of hedge funds.
915
00:49:26,267 --> 00:49:30,097
Those kinda guys who need that
anonymity to make that work.
916
00:49:30,141 --> 00:49:33,013
Those guys are in here in
some significant numbers,
917
00:49:33,057 --> 00:49:35,015
and unfortunately,
that's gotten easier,
918
00:49:35,059 --> 00:49:37,409
not harder in the
aftermath of Trump's election.
919
00:49:37,452 --> 00:49:44,024
DONALD: I am officially running
for President of the United
920
00:49:44,068 --> 00:49:49,987
States, and we are going to
make our country great again.
921
00:49:51,597 --> 00:49:54,730
BASTIAN: Having Donald Trump
as the President of the United
922
00:49:54,774 --> 00:50:00,954
States let me feel a little bit
strange knowing that he also had
923
00:50:00,998 --> 00:50:03,087
some offshore deals in his past.
924
00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:06,351
HILLARY: He didn't pay
any federal income tax, so--
925
00:50:06,394 --> 00:50:08,048
DONALD TRUMP:
That makes me smart.
926
00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:09,615
HILLARY CLINTON: --if he's paid
zero, that's zero for troops--
927
00:50:09,658 --> 00:50:10,833
MAN 3: Trump is obviously
one we were focused on from
928
00:50:10,877 --> 00:50:12,487
the very beginning.
929
00:50:12,531 --> 00:50:15,577
He appeared about
3,450 times that we know of.
930
00:50:15,621 --> 00:50:17,884
That's not to say his partners.
931
00:50:17,927 --> 00:50:19,364
That's just him by name.
932
00:50:20,452 --> 00:50:22,584
The big find was a lot of
documents around the
933
00:50:22,628 --> 00:50:25,109
Panama Hotel project.
934
00:50:25,152 --> 00:50:27,328
NEWS REPORTER 17: Trump Ocean
Club soars over the Pacific and
935
00:50:27,372 --> 00:50:29,156
Panama City.
936
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,290
It's also where criminals,
everywhere from Russian
937
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:35,989
gangsters to money launderers
for Latin American drug cartels
938
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:38,687
were able to hide their cash.
939
00:50:38,731 --> 00:50:41,386
MAN 3: There we found contract
information between him and the
940
00:50:41,429 --> 00:50:43,083
developer, Newland.
941
00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:45,259
One of the things I think that
was very helpful in the Panama
942
00:50:45,303 --> 00:50:48,175
Papers is it actually
showed Trump's business model.
943
00:50:48,219 --> 00:50:50,090
It was a contract that
showed how he got paid,
944
00:50:50,134 --> 00:50:51,570
how his name was leased.
945
00:50:51,613 --> 00:50:54,094
This really wasn't
known, and the documents,
946
00:50:54,138 --> 00:50:56,183
here we had
physical proof of how,
947
00:50:56,227 --> 00:50:58,229
you know, how he
arranges things.
948
00:50:58,272 --> 00:51:00,318
REPORTER 18: As a
former money launderer,
949
00:51:00,361 --> 00:51:04,409
the Trump Ocean Club, how would
you rate it in its quality.
950
00:51:04,452 --> 00:51:05,410
MAN 4: For money laundering?
951
00:51:05,453 --> 00:51:09,283
MAN 4: Oh, I'd say triple A.
952
00:51:09,892 --> 00:51:18,771
[cheering]
953
00:51:18,814 --> 00:51:21,165
JACK: You get
control of the country,
954
00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:25,299
you move your family into all
of the important jobs in the
955
00:51:25,343 --> 00:51:29,260
country, and then you use
that as an opportunity to
956
00:51:29,303 --> 00:51:30,913
enrich yourself.
957
00:51:30,957 --> 00:51:32,437
NEWS REPORTER 18: The man
they credit with Donald Trump's
958
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,265
victory, the President
Elect's own son-in-law,
959
00:51:34,308 --> 00:51:35,440
Jared Kushner.
960
00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:38,834
JACK: What's now
going on is exactly that,
961
00:51:38,878 --> 00:51:42,534
and what I think is also going
on is that our president has
962
00:51:42,577 --> 00:51:47,191
cozied up to any number of these
kleptocrats because he wants
963
00:51:47,234 --> 00:51:50,498
Americans to think
it's the new normal.
964
00:51:53,458 --> 00:51:55,199
NEWS REPORTER 19: The central
figure in the investigations
965
00:51:55,242 --> 00:51:57,549
into Donald
Trump's inner circle,
966
00:51:57,592 --> 00:51:58,506
and possible ties to Russia.
967
00:51:58,550 --> 00:52:00,247
ADAM SCHIFF: It was Manafort...
968
00:52:00,291 --> 00:52:00,987
HIMES: Paul Manafort...
969
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:02,597
CARSON: Paul Manafort...
970
00:52:02,641 --> 00:52:04,208
NEWS REPORTER 19: Long before he
was president Trump's campaign
971
00:52:04,251 --> 00:52:07,254
chairman, Paul Manafort was
paid millions by a Russian
972
00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:10,301
billionaire with close
ties to Vladimir Putin.
973
00:52:10,344 --> 00:52:14,131
MAN 3: That is the closest we've
been able to get to Manafort.
974
00:52:14,174 --> 00:52:18,135
Manafort seems to have been paid
through companies in Belize.
975
00:52:18,178 --> 00:52:22,443
I've spent a lot of time looking
at these shell companies.
976
00:52:23,052 --> 00:52:26,273
MAN 6: Donald Trump's
friends, people of his cabinet,
977
00:52:26,317 --> 00:52:31,060
advisors, have been active
in the offshore business.
978
00:52:31,844 --> 00:52:34,194
RON: Mister Mnuchin, you ran
a hedge fund for a few years
979
00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:40,418
starting in 2004, and I've been
trying to get my arms around the
980
00:52:40,461 --> 00:52:43,551
Mnuchin web of bank
accounts and shell companies.
981
00:52:43,595 --> 00:52:45,858
They were in Cayman
Islands and Anguilla.
982
00:52:45,901 --> 00:52:48,643
How many employees did
you have in Anguilla?
983
00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:50,428
STEVEN: Treasury
Secretary Nominee
984
00:52:50,471 --> 00:52:54,301
we didn't have any
employees in Anguilla.
985
00:52:54,345 --> 00:52:55,694
RON: How many
customers did you have there?
986
00:52:55,737 --> 00:52:56,477
STEVEN: We didn't have
any customers that resided
987
00:52:56,521 --> 00:52:57,478
in Anguilla.
988
00:52:57,522 --> 00:52:59,654
RON: Did you have
an office there?
989
00:52:59,698 --> 00:53:02,657
STEVEN: We did not have
a office ourselves there.
990
00:53:02,701 --> 00:53:05,312
RON: So you just had
a post office box?
991
00:53:05,356 --> 00:53:07,706
STEVEN: Senator, let
me explain to you, okay?
992
00:53:07,749 --> 00:53:08,794
RON: It's just a
yes or no answer.
993
00:53:08,837 --> 00:53:10,099
I'm already over my time.
994
00:53:10,143 --> 00:53:11,013
Yes or no?
995
00:53:11,057 --> 00:53:12,624
Did you just have a post office?
996
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:14,234
STEVEN: Well, hopefully the
other senators will defer some
997
00:53:14,278 --> 00:53:16,367
time so I can, I can
answer this for you,
998
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:18,412
because I think it's
an important issue,
999
00:53:18,456 --> 00:53:19,326
but no, we had--
1000
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:21,241
RON: Mister Chairman, this is...
1001
00:53:21,285 --> 00:53:24,244
SENATOR 1: I think he should go
ahead and answer it right now.
1002
00:53:24,288 --> 00:53:24,940
SENATOR 2: He should get a
chance to answer the question.
1003
00:53:24,984 --> 00:53:26,507
SENATOR 1: Yeah.
1004
00:53:26,551 --> 00:53:28,161
RON: I'm very troubled about
this question of how you're
1005
00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:32,774
gonna unrig the system if you've
got a record of taking advantage
1006
00:53:32,818 --> 00:53:36,082
of tax shelters that, in effect,
have zero percent tax rate.
1007
00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:37,431
Thank you, Mister Chairman.
1008
00:53:37,475 --> 00:53:42,175
The taxes you pay
are compulsory.
1009
00:53:42,741 --> 00:53:44,699
They come out of your paycheck,
you can see it once or twice
1010
00:53:44,743 --> 00:53:47,267
a month.
1011
00:53:47,311 --> 00:53:50,836
There're no Cayman
Island deals for you,
1012
00:53:50,879 --> 00:53:54,492
not, none of those kinda
sweetheart overseas deals for
1013
00:53:54,535 --> 00:53:59,018
you the way Steve Mnuchin,
the Treasury Secretary, got.
1014
00:53:59,061 --> 00:54:03,152
Then there's another set of tax
rules for the fortunate and the
1015
00:54:03,196 --> 00:54:05,677
well-connected.
1016
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,288
They can pretty much decide
under the tax law what they're
1017
00:54:08,332 --> 00:54:10,072
going to pay, when
they're going to pay it,
1018
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,122
and in some
instances, almost nothing.
1019
00:54:19,865 --> 00:54:22,737
MAN 6: The problem today
is really that the U.S.
1020
00:54:22,781 --> 00:54:26,088
is the best place
to put your assets.
1021
00:54:26,132 --> 00:54:28,613
♪♪
1022
00:54:28,656 --> 00:54:30,223
MAN 6: Over the
last couple of decades,
1023
00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:32,399
we've seen increasingly that
shell companies registered in
1024
00:54:32,443 --> 00:54:36,316
the U.S. are used to
commit all sorts of crimes
1025
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,535
from human trafficking
to drug trafficking
1026
00:54:37,578 --> 00:54:38,275
to arms dealing.
1027
00:54:38,318 --> 00:54:40,233
The list goes on and on.
1028
00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:46,021
BASTIAN: Looking to
Delaware, looking to Nevada,
1029
00:54:46,065 --> 00:54:48,067
that's a, for example, a
jurisdiction Mossack Fonseca was
1030
00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:49,634
very active.
1031
00:54:49,677 --> 00:54:51,679
KEVIN: We found a lot of
Brazilians hiding property owned
1032
00:54:51,723 --> 00:54:53,812
in Brazil through
Nevada offshore,
1033
00:54:53,855 --> 00:54:58,338
so Nevada was being used by
Brazilians in a way that Cayman
1034
00:54:58,382 --> 00:54:59,426
Islands, Bahamas might be used
by an American trying to hide
1035
00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:01,385
ownership of an asset.
1036
00:55:01,428 --> 00:55:05,780
[chatter]
1037
00:55:05,824 --> 00:55:08,522
DINA: Well, Nevada has always
had this approach to raising
1038
00:55:08,566 --> 00:55:10,655
revenue that we wanna
attack somebody else,
1039
00:55:10,698 --> 00:55:12,309
not the people who live here.
1040
00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:16,530
Though, back in the '90s, they
decided to become the Delaware
1041
00:55:16,574 --> 00:55:19,925
of the west and tried to follow
that example and make it very
1042
00:55:19,968 --> 00:55:24,712
easy for shell companies,
LLCs, to be set up there without
1043
00:55:24,756 --> 00:55:28,368
having any kind of information
available about who owned them
1044
00:55:28,412 --> 00:55:30,631
or who benefited from them.
1045
00:55:30,675 --> 00:55:32,807
I said, at the
time, that it was,
1046
00:55:32,851 --> 00:55:35,375
might as well hang
up a shingle and say,
1047
00:55:35,419 --> 00:55:37,812
"Welcome scumbags and sleaze
balls" because those are the
1048
00:55:37,856 --> 00:55:41,250
kind of people who want to
keep their information secret,
1049
00:55:41,294 --> 00:55:43,296
but it became a
source of revenue,
1050
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:44,732
so you didn't
have to raise taxes.
1051
00:55:48,954 --> 00:55:52,392
DINA: Well, I'm afraid they're
rolling back the protections
1052
00:55:52,436 --> 00:55:53,698
that were put in at Dodd-Frank
and a lot of that was about
1053
00:55:53,741 --> 00:55:56,440
accountability and transparency.
1054
00:55:56,483 --> 00:55:59,399
Banks fought that, so they're
certainly not gonna want to open
1055
00:55:59,443 --> 00:56:01,314
it up any further.
1056
00:56:02,924 --> 00:56:07,538
MAN 5: You can find tax
havens all around the world.
1057
00:56:07,581 --> 00:56:10,018
They are in the
U.S., they are in the UK.
1058
00:56:10,062 --> 00:56:12,499
GERARD: Now having done
six of these projects,
1059
00:56:12,543 --> 00:56:14,719
I would say with some
certainty that the,
1060
00:56:14,762 --> 00:56:17,504
probably the biggest tax haven
in the world is-is Britain,
1061
00:56:17,548 --> 00:56:21,116
and its, you know,
its former colonies.
1062
00:56:21,769 --> 00:56:22,379
JULIETTE: We're
open for business.
1063
00:56:22,422 --> 00:56:23,989
We like oligarchs.
1064
00:56:24,032 --> 00:56:26,687
I don't want to exaggerate
and say we're just a tax haven,
1065
00:56:26,731 --> 00:56:31,388
but you know, the-the state
is-is captured by finance.
1066
00:56:32,563 --> 00:56:34,173
GERARD: Close
behind it is America,
1067
00:56:34,216 --> 00:56:36,436
and I think in the future, it
would be great if someone gave
1068
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,525
us, you know, Delaware leaks.
1069
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:42,007
We would uncover, you know,
secrets that may be bigger than
1070
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:43,878
anything we've ever done before.
1071
00:56:43,922 --> 00:56:45,140
♪♪
1072
00:56:45,184 --> 00:56:47,447
JOHN: I call on the
European Commission,
1073
00:56:47,491 --> 00:56:50,711
the British Parliament,
the United States Congress,
1074
00:56:50,755 --> 00:56:53,714
and all nations to
take swift action,
1075
00:56:53,758 --> 00:56:55,803
not only to
protect whistleblowers,
1076
00:56:55,847 --> 00:56:58,806
but to put an end to the global
abuse of corporate registers.
1077
00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:03,550
Tax evasion cannot possibly be
fixed while elected officials
1078
00:57:03,594 --> 00:57:06,988
are pleading for money from
the very elites who have the
1079
00:57:07,032 --> 00:57:09,730
strongest incentives to avoid
taxes relative to any other
1080
00:57:09,774 --> 00:57:11,471
segment of the population.
1081
00:57:11,515 --> 00:57:21,263
♪♪
1082
00:57:21,307 --> 00:57:31,012
♪♪
1083
00:57:31,056 --> 00:57:34,625
FREDERIK: I was actually
concerned every day about the
1084
00:57:34,668 --> 00:57:39,412
security of this whole project
because let's face the facts.
1085
00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:42,894
Journalists like to
speak about their work.
1086
00:57:42,937 --> 00:57:45,026
GERARD: You know, every
journalist you bring in,
1087
00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:47,507
they're probably going to
tell their life partner,
1088
00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:49,509
they're probably going to
tell their best friends,
1089
00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:51,555
so the risks were going up
exponentially every time you
1090
00:57:51,598 --> 00:57:53,295
brought somebody in.
1091
00:57:53,339 --> 00:57:56,690
MATTHEW: We were so focused on
the digital part that I think
1092
00:57:56,734 --> 00:57:59,650
you forget that a lot of
journalists are going to need to
1093
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:02,653
have interviews
with sources,
1094
00:58:02,696 --> 00:58:06,047
they're going to have these
interviews in bars or in cafes
1095
00:58:06,091 --> 00:58:10,138
or in public places, and they're
not going to be conscious of the
1096
00:58:10,182 --> 00:58:12,663
fact that other people might be
following them or listening to
1097
00:58:12,706 --> 00:58:14,099
their conversation.
1098
00:58:15,535 --> 00:58:16,797
LUKE: It's funny, really,
because to, generally,
1099
00:58:16,841 --> 00:58:19,496
toextract secrets
from a journalist,
1100
00:58:19,539 --> 00:58:22,020
you just need to
take the journalist to the bar,
1101
00:58:22,063 --> 00:58:24,544
buy the journalist a
beer or maybe two beers,
1102
00:58:24,588 --> 00:58:27,112
if they're, if
they're being kind of tricky,
1103
00:58:27,155 --> 00:58:29,201
and they will
tell you everything.
1104
00:58:29,244 --> 00:58:31,029
MAN 7: My colleagues say, I
haven't seen any stories.
1105
00:58:31,072 --> 00:58:32,030
What are you doing?
1106
00:58:32,073 --> 00:58:33,292
I say, it's a project.
1107
00:58:33,335 --> 00:58:35,729
It's a regional project,
actually worldwide,
1108
00:58:35,773 --> 00:58:37,775
and we're just
looking at something.
1109
00:58:37,818 --> 00:58:39,733
And they say, well,
when's it coming out?
1110
00:58:39,777 --> 00:58:41,300
Well, I couldn't really answer.
1111
00:58:43,607 --> 00:58:46,697
JOÓHANNES: You had this in
mind the whole time that one
1112
00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:49,177
mistake could
jeopardize the whole project.
1113
00:58:51,179 --> 00:58:52,616
RITA: My life,
during all those months,
1114
00:58:52,659 --> 00:58:54,661
was kinda like a spy life.
1115
00:58:54,705 --> 00:58:56,881
I couldn't tell
them what I was doing,
1116
00:58:56,924 --> 00:58:59,361
and I felt awful
because, at the same time,
1117
00:58:59,405 --> 00:59:01,668
I was investigating my friends.
1118
00:59:01,712 --> 00:59:05,150
I would go to dinner
parties, and during the day,
1119
00:59:05,193 --> 00:59:08,806
I was just searching documents
that somehow mentioned them.
1120
00:59:09,894 --> 00:59:12,113
EL NORTE: We felt responsible
for their safety and that that
1121
00:59:12,157 --> 00:59:16,596
was also something we
repeatedly told our colleagues.
1122
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,512
Be aware that there is
colleagues of us out there
1123
00:59:19,556 --> 00:59:21,558
risking their life
with this reporting,
1124
00:59:21,601 --> 00:59:24,561
and if you tell too much,
you could risk their life.
1125
01:00:02,511 --> 01:00:04,122
BASTIAN: In the last weeks
before our publication date,
1126
01:00:04,165 --> 01:00:07,647
we had to do everything
to protect our source,
1127
01:00:07,691 --> 01:00:10,824
so we stopped all
communications.
1128
01:00:10,868 --> 01:00:14,567
We destroyed effectively
the-the devices that we used to
1129
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:15,916
communicate with the source.
1130
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,744
My iPhone and my computer.
1131
01:00:17,788 --> 01:00:22,053
We deleted all
the files with several programs,
1132
01:00:22,096 --> 01:00:25,622
so run it over
and over and over until it was
1133
01:00:25,665 --> 01:00:27,058
completely flat.
1134
01:00:27,101 --> 01:00:29,843
But then, again, we
weren't really sure,
1135
01:00:29,887 --> 01:00:31,889
you know, if you
really can trust this,
1136
01:00:31,932 --> 01:00:35,240
so, I more or less
took a hammer and started
1137
01:00:35,283 --> 01:00:38,330
smashing the things.
1138
01:00:38,373 --> 01:00:41,899
We didn't want to throw it away
because we were so paranoid back
1139
01:00:41,942 --> 01:00:45,554
then that we thoguh if
someone finds it,
1140
01:00:45,598 --> 01:00:48,557
maybe he can do
something with it.
1141
01:00:49,297 --> 01:00:52,039
MARINA: The most dangerous
moment in the investigation,
1142
01:00:52,083 --> 01:00:55,782
and the most tense moment, when
we start reaching out to people
1143
01:00:55,826 --> 01:00:57,915
for comment.
1144
01:00:59,568 --> 01:01:04,704
If we have had a year to look at
your bank information and your
1145
01:01:04,748 --> 01:01:08,099
company information, we
are not going to surprise you.
1146
01:01:08,142 --> 01:01:10,275
BASTIAN: You don't
approach people and say,
1147
01:01:10,318 --> 01:01:13,539
listen, the team
of Mossack Fonseca,
1148
01:01:13,582 --> 01:01:15,976
you lost all your data. [laughs]
1149
01:01:18,152 --> 01:01:19,719
JULIETTE: The camera
crews for the broadcasters
1150
01:01:19,763 --> 01:01:21,982
involved in the project
descended on the offices of
1151
01:01:22,026 --> 01:01:25,856
Mossack Fonseca in Panama City
and demanded to talk to someone,
1152
01:01:25,899 --> 01:01:26,726
get a statement.
1153
01:01:37,345 --> 01:01:39,260
BASTIAN: We sent them an email.
1154
01:01:39,304 --> 01:01:42,916
We saw documents that seemed
to indicate that you have many
1155
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,006
troubles with your due diligence
and the way you choose
1156
01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:47,878
your customers.
1157
01:01:51,185 --> 01:01:54,362
BASTIAN: Then it follows,
um, a long list of questions.
1158
01:01:54,406 --> 01:01:56,800
Very detailed,
very much to the cases.
1159
01:01:56,843 --> 01:02:00,107
So they said, we're not
involved in illegal dealings.
1160
01:02:00,151 --> 01:02:04,285
We have never contact with
the customers directly.
1161
01:02:04,329 --> 01:02:08,768
We only work with
intermediaries, which are lies.
1162
01:02:08,812 --> 01:02:12,250
Well, I've heard, well now,
everything might blow up.
1163
01:02:12,293 --> 01:02:15,166
Now it will be hundreds of
lawyers trying to stop our
1164
01:02:15,209 --> 01:02:18,647
reporting, hundreds of
people all around the world get
1165
01:02:18,691 --> 01:02:20,606
knowledge about
our investigation,
1166
01:02:20,649 --> 01:02:22,695
and that's people
like drug lords,
1167
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:25,524
criminals, and of course we
feared that something
1168
01:02:25,567 --> 01:02:26,568
might happen.
1169
01:02:26,612 --> 01:02:32,923
[lightning and thunder]
1170
01:02:32,966 --> 01:02:34,968
RITA: It was
very stressful for-for all of us
1171
01:02:35,012 --> 01:02:38,972
because at that point, yeah,
we had to call our sources,
1172
01:02:39,016 --> 01:02:41,366
we had to call the people
that we were writing about,
1173
01:02:41,409 --> 01:02:47,285
and people started to
know more and more and more.
1174
01:02:47,328 --> 01:02:51,855
We started to have a
bodyguard because that's when we
1175
01:02:51,898 --> 01:02:55,293
received a non-direct
threat by Mossack Fonseca.
1176
01:02:55,336 --> 01:02:57,469
So they came and said, you know,
we know you have a journalist
1177
01:02:57,512 --> 01:02:59,906
who's helping the
international media,
1178
01:02:59,950 --> 01:03:03,388
and she, and she's been
she's been paid for,
1179
01:03:03,431 --> 01:03:07,087
and she is trying to
diminish the reputation of
1180
01:03:07,131 --> 01:03:09,786
our firm and the country,
and she was gonna have to,
1181
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:13,006
you know,
suffer the consequences.
1182
01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:14,399
So the paper
immediately said, you know,
1183
01:03:14,442 --> 01:03:17,271
you can't be around
without any protection.
1184
01:03:17,315 --> 01:03:19,056
My friends were here.
1185
01:03:19,099 --> 01:03:21,754
We go pick them up at
the hotel, and there's,
1186
01:03:21,798 --> 01:03:23,843
there is a bodyguard
there driving the car.
1187
01:03:23,887 --> 01:03:26,237
So we said, oh,
it's just an Uber.
1188
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,892
But we forgot to hide the gun he
had in the middle of the
1189
01:03:28,935 --> 01:03:30,458
front seat.
1190
01:03:30,502 --> 01:03:35,115
We had to live a double
life and-and that really was
1191
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:39,206
something that changed
our lives from that moment.
1192
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:45,560
FREDERIK: The
most frightening moment for me
1193
01:03:45,604 --> 01:03:51,001
shortly before publication was
when I personally had to write
1194
01:03:51,044 --> 01:03:55,875
an email to the Kremlin
basically addressing it to "Dear
1195
01:03:55,919 --> 01:04:00,532
Mr. Vladimir Putin" and laying
out what we found in regards to
1196
01:04:00,575 --> 01:04:06,538
this net of companies around his
friend Sergei Roldugin that was
1197
01:04:06,581 --> 01:04:10,368
funneling hundreds of millions
of dollar out of Russia,
1198
01:04:10,411 --> 01:04:15,199
and I've never written an
email to Vladimir Putin before.
1199
01:04:15,242 --> 01:04:18,550
Some days later,
Vladimir Putin's spokesperson,
1200
01:04:18,593 --> 01:04:22,946
Mr. Peskov, did a
press conference in Moscow.
1201
01:04:22,989 --> 01:04:25,426
DMITRY PESKOV: The
documents show nothing
1202
01:04:25,470 --> 01:04:27,037
about Mister Putin.
1203
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:32,390
Everything that was,
interconnected with our
1204
01:04:32,433 --> 01:04:34,827
president, was
written by newspapers.
1205
01:04:34,871 --> 01:04:37,264
It was written by
journalists without having
1206
01:04:37,308 --> 01:04:39,919
obvious facts for that.
1207
01:04:39,963 --> 01:04:42,226
FREDERIK: It was
clear to me, oh, shit.
1208
01:04:42,269 --> 01:04:45,925
He's speaking about that
email I sent some days ago.
1209
01:04:45,969 --> 01:04:47,971
DMITRY: And now we're
understanding this is nothing
1210
01:04:48,014 --> 01:04:51,278
else by, but a
reflection of,
1211
01:04:51,322 --> 01:04:54,281
let's say, an
overwhelmed
1212
01:04:54,325 --> 01:04:58,155
Putin-aphobia disease that
unfortunately has quite spread
1213
01:04:58,198 --> 01:05:03,203
now in lots of media.
1214
01:05:03,247 --> 01:05:07,077
FREDERIK: It was clearly obvious
that the Kremlin was pissed off.
1215
01:05:08,992 --> 01:05:13,126
MARINA: We got a lot of legal
threats and there were so many.
1216
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,563
They were really piling up.
1217
01:05:15,607 --> 01:05:19,567
Everyone that we contacted
recruited the best lawyers to
1218
01:05:19,611 --> 01:05:24,572
threaten ICIJ, to try to, um,
get us to show them documents,
1219
01:05:24,616 --> 01:05:28,837
to try to get us to
not publish the story.
1220
01:05:29,316 --> 01:05:32,450
SCOTT: Drug trafficking,
income inequality, poverty.
1221
01:05:32,493 --> 01:05:34,974
You look at those
problems in the world,
1222
01:05:35,018 --> 01:05:39,413
and a lot of the keys to
addressing those problems are in
1223
01:05:39,457 --> 01:05:41,198
the Panama Papers.
1224
01:05:41,241 --> 01:05:47,117
Even though you feel like you,
you may wake up one day and-and
1225
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,250
have somebody in your
bedroom pointing a gun at you,
1226
01:05:50,294 --> 01:05:53,384
you feel like youhave to
keep going on this because it's
1227
01:05:53,427 --> 01:05:56,343
too important.
1228
01:05:59,346 --> 01:06:00,782
JOÓHANNES: So
coming from Iceland,
1229
01:06:00,826 --> 01:06:04,395
I knew that if I would
start asking questions about the
1230
01:06:04,438 --> 01:06:06,397
offshore company of
the Prime Minister,
1231
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,924
early, then all the alarm
bells would ring inside the
1232
01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:15,841
government and inside the
institutions here in Iceland.
1233
01:06:15,884 --> 01:06:20,019
So we had to find
a way to get
1234
01:06:20,063 --> 01:06:24,415
the reactions from the
Prime Minister on camera.
1235
01:06:24,458 --> 01:06:29,028
So we decided after a
lengthy talk about the ethical
1236
01:06:29,072 --> 01:06:32,423
issues, to confront him.
1237
01:06:33,337 --> 01:06:34,729
JOURNALIST:
Mister Prime Minister,
1238
01:06:34,773 --> 01:06:39,038
what can you tell me about
a company called Wintris?
1239
01:06:39,082 --> 01:06:45,175
PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON:
Well, [sighs] it's a company of,
1240
01:06:45,218 --> 01:06:49,048
if I recall correctly, which
is associated with one of the
1241
01:06:49,092 --> 01:06:51,050
companies that I,
was on a board of,
1242
01:06:51,094 --> 01:06:58,318
and, it was a,
hadan account which as I,
1243
01:06:58,362 --> 01:07:03,541
as I mentioned, has
been with the tax,
1244
01:07:03,584 --> 01:07:07,066
on the tax account
since it was established.
1245
01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:10,069
So now I'm starting to feel a
bit strange about this question
1246
01:07:10,113 --> 01:07:13,029
because it's like you are
accusing me of something when
1247
01:07:13,072 --> 01:07:17,424
you are asking me about a
company that has been on my--
1248
01:07:17,468 --> 01:07:18,730
JOURNALIST: Let, let--
1249
01:07:18,773 --> 01:07:19,948
PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON:
--tax return from
1250
01:07:19,992 --> 01:07:21,254
the beginning.
1251
01:07:21,298 --> 01:07:22,734
JOURNALIST: Yeah,
it must be okay for me as a
1252
01:07:22,777 --> 01:07:24,127
journalist to ask the Prime
Minister about personal--
1253
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:25,737
PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON:
Yes, sure.
1254
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:28,696
But you are indicating that
I have not paid, taxes on it.
1255
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:29,871
JOURNALIST: No, I'm
just asking you questions.
1256
01:07:29,915 --> 01:07:30,263
PRIME MINISTER GUNNLAUGSSON:
Okay,
1257
01:07:30,307 --> 01:07:31,656
okay.
1258
01:07:31,699 --> 01:07:33,353
JOURNALIST: So, so, uh,
to go into the details,
1259
01:07:33,397 --> 01:07:35,573
I would like my partner to do
it in Icelandic because I don't
1260
01:07:35,616 --> 01:07:38,402
have the details,
uh, to discuss it.
1261
01:08:25,405 --> 01:08:26,972
KRISTJAÁNSSON: The time
between the interview and the
1262
01:08:27,015 --> 01:08:30,149
publication was
a stressful time.
1263
01:08:30,193 --> 01:08:32,151
The wife of
the Prime Minister,
1264
01:08:32,195 --> 01:08:36,634
she posted a Facebook
status talking about some
1265
01:08:36,677 --> 01:08:39,463
attacks from the media.
1266
01:08:39,506 --> 01:08:42,727
Soon, I realized that, uh, we
shouldn't be afraid because we
1267
01:08:42,770 --> 01:08:46,687
had all the materials,
we had the interview,
1268
01:08:46,731 --> 01:08:49,690
uh, and uh, I
talk, I told my staff,
1269
01:08:49,734 --> 01:08:52,606
you know, just relax because we
are going to publish this and,
1270
01:08:52,650 --> 01:08:55,174
uh, it will be big.
1271
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:05,315
PAUL: We were utterly convinced
that night that we were gonna
1272
01:09:05,358 --> 01:09:09,101
light the Blue Torch Paper
despite nobody going beforehand,
1273
01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:11,103
there was still an
air of expectancy.
1274
01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,192
People knew a big
story was coming.
1275
01:09:13,236 --> 01:09:15,325
LUKE: What was weird was about
ten minutes before we were due
1276
01:09:15,368 --> 01:09:18,719
to press send, Edward Snowden
tweeted out a link to the
1277
01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:21,635
English language website of
Suüddeutsche Zeitung MAN 4: The
1278
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:25,030
people who follow him
then were alerted to this,
1279
01:09:25,073 --> 01:09:27,119
and that's a
pretty wide universe.
1280
01:09:27,163 --> 01:09:29,121
JULIETTE: Gerard Ryle,
the Director of the ICIJ,
1281
01:09:29,165 --> 01:09:31,428
is hammering the phones getting
everyone to just hold
1282
01:09:31,471 --> 01:09:33,169
their nerve.
1283
01:09:33,212 --> 01:09:34,561
GERARD: I thought it was very
important that we all hold the
1284
01:09:34,605 --> 01:09:36,650
line, that what was
happening with the press
1285
01:09:36,694 --> 01:09:39,305
conference from the Kremlin and
what was happening in Iceland at
1286
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:41,699
the time where parts of the
story were getting out through
1287
01:09:41,742 --> 01:09:44,223
Facebook, through the
Icelandic Prime Minister's wife,
1288
01:09:44,267 --> 01:09:46,269
like there was a
lot of nervousness,
1289
01:09:46,312 --> 01:09:48,271
and I really thought
that all of these events,
1290
01:09:48,314 --> 01:09:50,403
all of these small
things happening,
1291
01:09:50,447 --> 01:09:52,362
even though, you know, we
were being talked about a week
1292
01:09:52,405 --> 01:09:54,407
beforehand, no one
really knew the bigger story.
1293
01:09:54,451 --> 01:09:56,409
JULIETTE: You know, I'm, uh,
describing it a bit like a,
1294
01:09:56,453 --> 01:09:59,543
a general standing at the top
of the hill holding back the
1295
01:09:59,586 --> 01:10:02,241
troops, you know, waiting as
the opposing army approaches,
1296
01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:05,331
approaches, you
know, hold, hold, hold, go!
1297
01:10:05,375 --> 01:10:06,376
Charge! [chuckles]
1298
01:10:06,419 --> 01:10:08,421
TIM:
When that day hits,
1299
01:10:08,465 --> 01:10:11,207
things happen
fairly quickly.
1300
01:10:13,339 --> 01:10:15,820
NEWS REPORTER 20: The so-called
Panama Papers now exposing the
1301
01:10:15,863 --> 01:10:20,259
secret financial dealings of
politicians and celebrities.
1302
01:10:20,303 --> 01:10:22,305
NEWS REPORTER 21: Many of
the world's most powerful
1303
01:10:22,348 --> 01:10:24,742
politicians, wealthy business
owners and popular celebrities
1304
01:10:24,785 --> 01:10:27,266
are now desperately trying to
distance themselves from the
1305
01:10:27,310 --> 01:10:31,444
fallout and consequences
of the Panama Papers.
1306
01:10:31,488 --> 01:10:34,273
MARISA: There was an immediate
response on social media.
1307
01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,275
MAN 8: They're
all on the inside,
1308
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:38,190
we are out on the
street looking in.
1309
01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:40,061
Hello?
1310
01:10:40,105 --> 01:10:41,715
MARINA: This thing exploded and
took an entire life of its own.
1311
01:10:41,759 --> 01:10:43,804
NEWS REPORTER 22: We turn now
to the banking bombshell causing
1312
01:10:43,848 --> 01:10:45,415
shockwaves around the world.
1313
01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:46,503
NEWS REPORTER 23:
Panama Papers...
1314
01:10:46,546 --> 01:10:48,113
NEWS REPORTER 24:
[speaking Spanish]
1315
01:10:48,156 --> 01:10:49,680
NEWS REPORTER 25: [speaking
Spanish] The Panama Papers...
1316
01:10:49,723 --> 01:10:50,985
NEWS REPORTER 26: [speaking
Spanish] The Panama Papers.
1317
01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:52,465
GEORGE: What may be the largest
leak of secret documents
1318
01:10:52,509 --> 01:10:54,119
in history.
1319
01:10:54,162 --> 01:10:55,816
NEWS REPORTER 27: A blockbuster
release of millions of
1320
01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:57,340
financial documents.
1321
01:10:57,383 --> 01:10:59,429
NEWS REPORTER 28: This is
the biggest attack on the tax
1322
01:10:59,472 --> 01:11:00,560
shelter industry.
1323
01:11:00,604 --> 01:11:01,692
It's a trillion dollar industry.
1324
01:11:01,735 --> 01:11:02,649
NEWS REPORTER 29: It is.
1325
01:11:02,693 --> 01:11:03,868
It is a trillion
dollar industry.
1326
01:11:03,911 --> 01:11:05,783
JAKE: The UK,
France, Australia, Mexico,
1327
01:11:05,826 --> 01:11:08,046
all say they're
going to investigate.
1328
01:11:08,916 --> 01:11:13,834
ROBERTO: When it blew up, I
had no idea the size of
1329
01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:15,619
the situation.
1330
01:11:15,662 --> 01:11:17,229
NEWS REPORTER 30: Panama Police
have raided the offices of the
1331
01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:20,667
law firm at the center of the
country's massive data leak.
1332
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,246
JACK: Now the problem is can the
various judicial systems of the
1333
01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:38,206
world handle all of this
material without getting a
1334
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:41,601
horrendous case of indigestion?
1335
01:12:09,412 --> 01:12:11,631
JUÜRGEN: We have always dealt
with professional clients all
1336
01:12:11,675 --> 01:12:13,111
over the world, only.
1337
01:12:13,154 --> 01:12:16,288
RITA: After the publication,
the example they gave it,
1338
01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:18,203
we were like a knife
factory, you know?
1339
01:12:18,246 --> 01:12:19,465
We sell the knives.
1340
01:12:19,509 --> 01:12:21,554
If people kill, kill
other people with knives,
1341
01:12:21,598 --> 01:12:23,382
it is not our fault.
1342
01:12:23,426 --> 01:12:27,212
The problem is they always knew
who had the knives and what were
1343
01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:29,432
they gonna do with the knives.
1344
01:12:30,215 --> 01:12:32,043
NEWS REPORTER 32: The law
firm is denying any wrongdoing.
1345
01:12:32,086 --> 01:12:36,308
RITA: When we'd realized how big
it was was when we saw people
1346
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:38,745
going out in the streets.
1347
01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:41,095
[cheering]
1348
01:12:42,662 --> 01:12:44,316
NEWS REPORTER 33: Thousands of
Icelanders took the streets,
1349
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,058
calling on the Prime Minister to
resign following allegations he
1350
01:12:47,101 --> 01:12:49,016
benefited from offshore
holdings and tax havens.
1351
01:12:52,977 --> 01:12:56,720
NEWS REPORTER 34: The first
casualty of the Panama Papers
1352
01:12:56,763 --> 01:12:58,243
has fallen.
1353
01:12:58,286 --> 01:13:01,115
Prime Minister of Iceland
yielded his post on Tuesday amid
1354
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,509
public uproar that he failed to
disclose links to an
1355
01:13:03,553 --> 01:13:05,337
offshore company.
1356
01:13:05,381 --> 01:13:10,821
[speaking foreign language]
1357
01:13:10,864 --> 01:13:13,650
NEWS REPORTER 35: Prime Minister
Nawaz Sharif, he may be thrown
1358
01:13:13,693 --> 01:13:15,565
out of office over allegations
that his family owned several
1359
01:13:15,608 --> 01:13:17,436
illegal offshore businesses.
1360
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:20,439
CROWD: [speaking
foreign language]
1361
01:13:20,483 --> 01:13:23,790
NEWS REPORTER 36: Corruption and
bribery at the highest level
1362
01:13:23,834 --> 01:13:26,140
on the streets of Rio Sao Paulo
and dozens of other cities.
1363
01:13:26,184 --> 01:13:29,579
Protestors laid the blame at
the door of President
1364
01:13:29,622 --> 01:13:30,754
Dilma Rousseff.
1365
01:13:30,797 --> 01:13:32,799
MAN 8: Every day
there is a new scandal.
1366
01:13:32,843 --> 01:13:34,584
Every day there is something
related to money being taken out
1367
01:13:34,627 --> 01:13:36,586
of the country.
1368
01:13:36,629 --> 01:13:38,414
NEWS REPORTER 37: We have some
breaking news from Brazil where
1369
01:13:38,457 --> 01:13:41,765
the senate there has voted to
impeach President Dilma Rousseff
1370
01:13:41,808 --> 01:13:44,028
and plunges the country
into political chaos.
1371
01:13:44,071 --> 01:13:45,682
KEVIN: Look at Brazil.
1372
01:13:45,725 --> 01:13:49,337
That's probably the country
where the Panama Papers has had
1373
01:13:49,381 --> 01:13:50,338
the most impact.
1374
01:13:50,382 --> 01:13:54,604
[sirens]
1375
01:13:54,647 --> 01:13:56,867
KEVIN: Iceland got the
headlines with the president.
1376
01:13:56,910 --> 01:14:00,087
The entire [chuckles] ruling
structure of Brazil is crumbling
1377
01:14:00,131 --> 01:14:01,915
because so many of them are
tied into this money
1378
01:14:01,959 --> 01:14:03,569
laundering scheme.
1379
01:14:03,613 --> 01:14:05,441
CROWD: [speaking
foreign language]
1380
01:14:05,484 --> 01:14:07,138
[beating on fence]
1381
01:14:07,181 --> 01:14:08,661
NEWS REPORTER 38: Protestors
in the Argentine capital Buenos
1382
01:14:08,705 --> 01:14:10,881
Aires are calling for the
country's president to step down
1383
01:14:10,924 --> 01:14:13,797
after the so-called Panama
Papers revealed Mauricio Macri
1384
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,931
is on the board of two offshore
firms: One in the Bahamas,
1385
01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:19,542
the other in Panama.
1386
01:14:19,585 --> 01:14:22,980
NEWS REPORTER 39: Several
thousand people filled a square
1387
01:14:23,023 --> 01:14:26,505
in Malta's capital on Sunday,
and demanded the resignation of
1388
01:14:26,549 --> 01:14:27,985
Prime Minister Joseph Muscat.
1389
01:14:28,028 --> 01:14:30,596
MATTHEW: My mother
was in Malta alone,
1390
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,295
fighting this with no, no
one backing her at all.
1391
01:14:34,339 --> 01:14:36,950
No institution.
1392
01:14:36,994 --> 01:14:39,475
GERARD: Daphne had been working
on a number of post-Panama
1393
01:14:39,518 --> 01:14:41,520
Paper stories.
1394
01:14:41,564 --> 01:14:44,175
She wasn't involved in the
Panama Papers investigation
1395
01:14:44,218 --> 01:14:46,743
itself, but she had taken our
reporting and gone further.
1396
01:14:50,573 --> 01:14:51,835
JACOB: [speaks
foreign language]
1397
01:14:51,878 --> 01:14:52,966
KONRAD: Good evening.
1398
01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:54,272
Um, today, the,
yesterday's piece...
1399
01:15:04,456 --> 01:15:06,023
KONRAD: There are
no bank accounts,
1400
01:15:06,066 --> 01:15:07,503
uh, no, no, no funds.
1401
01:15:15,206 --> 01:15:16,337
KONRAD: And there are
absolutely no funds.
1402
01:15:16,381 --> 01:15:17,077
Thank you.
1403
01:15:17,121 --> 01:15:17,948
[overlapping chatter]
1404
01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:22,605
MATTHEW: When the story
broke, they didn't resign.
1405
01:15:22,648 --> 01:15:24,171
I mean, I couldn't believe it.
1406
01:15:24,215 --> 01:15:26,696
I could see, I mean, it was like
a disaster unfolding in
1407
01:15:26,739 --> 01:15:27,610
slow motion.
1408
01:15:55,028 --> 01:16:00,730
[overlapping chatter]
1409
01:16:00,773 --> 01:16:03,167
NEWS REPORTER 40: British Prime
Minister David Cameron faces
1410
01:16:03,210 --> 01:16:06,649
backlash for implications in the
recently leaked Panama Papers.
1411
01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:07,998
JULIETTE: And that's when things
in the UK just went
1412
01:16:08,041 --> 01:16:10,478
really crazy.
1413
01:16:10,522 --> 01:16:11,915
[overlapping chatter]
1414
01:16:11,958 --> 01:16:13,612
LUKE: There was
turmoil in this country.
1415
01:16:13,656 --> 01:16:15,353
David Cameron had
the worst week.
1416
01:16:15,396 --> 01:16:17,703
[overlapping jeering]
1417
01:16:17,747 --> 01:16:21,577
DAVID: Thank you,
Mister Speaker.
1418
01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:23,100
Thank you, Mister Speaker.
1419
01:16:23,143 --> 01:16:23,927
With permission, I would like to
make a statement on the
1420
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:25,319
Panama Papers.
1421
01:16:25,755 --> 01:16:27,583
Dealing with my own
circumstances first,
1422
01:16:27,626 --> 01:16:30,977
yesterday I published all the
information in my tax returns,
1423
01:16:31,021 --> 01:16:33,545
not just for the last year,
but for the last six years.
1424
01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:35,895
I've also given additional
information about money
1425
01:16:35,939 --> 01:16:39,116
inherited and given to me by
my family so people can see the
1426
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,118
sources of income that I have.
1427
01:16:41,161 --> 01:16:43,686
This is an entirely
standard practice,
1428
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:46,732
and it is not to avoid tax.
1429
01:16:46,776 --> 01:16:50,170
JEREMY CORBYN: May I thank
the Prime Minister for the
1430
01:16:50,214 --> 01:16:52,085
advance site of his statement.
1431
01:16:52,129 --> 01:16:55,915
It is absolutely a masterclass
in the art of distraction.
1432
01:16:56,916 --> 01:16:58,788
[laughter]
1433
01:16:58,831 --> 01:17:00,964
JULIETTE: He refused to say
whether he had any money in his
1434
01:17:01,007 --> 01:17:02,139
father's offshore fund.
1435
01:17:02,182 --> 01:17:04,184
PAUL: He'd gone
on record saying,
1436
01:17:04,228 --> 01:17:06,143
we've gotta end
secrecy about tax avoidance.
1437
01:17:06,186 --> 01:17:08,624
He'd gone on record saying we've
gotta shine a light on where
1438
01:17:08,667 --> 01:17:10,234
this money comes from.
1439
01:17:10,277 --> 01:17:12,584
DAVID: Some of these schemes
where people are parking huge
1440
01:17:12,628 --> 01:17:15,935
amounts of money offshore
and taking loans back to just
1441
01:17:15,979 --> 01:17:20,157
minimize their tax rates, it
is not morally acceptable.
1442
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,289
PAUL: So he then
had to come out,
1443
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:24,857
and this was the fourth or fifth
explanation over a period of
1444
01:17:24,901 --> 01:17:26,772
three days,
saying, well, actually,
1445
01:17:26,816 --> 01:17:28,034
I did benefit from the shares.
1446
01:17:28,078 --> 01:17:30,820
DAVID: Samantha and I
had a joint account.
1447
01:17:30,863 --> 01:17:33,866
We owned, uh, 5,000
units in Blaire Moore,
1448
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:38,915
uh, Investment Trust, which we
sold in January, uh, 2010.
1449
01:17:38,958 --> 01:17:41,787
Uh, that was worth
something like 30,000 pounds.
1450
01:17:41,831 --> 01:17:43,876
Was there a profit on it?
1451
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,922
I paid, um,
income tax on the dividends,
1452
01:17:45,965 --> 01:17:48,011
but there was
a profit on it,
1453
01:17:48,054 --> 01:17:50,796
but it was less than the
capital gains tax allowance,
1454
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,885
so I didn't pay
capital gains tax,
1455
01:17:52,929 --> 01:17:55,671
but it was subject to all the
UK taxes in all the normal ways.
1456
01:17:57,150 --> 01:17:59,283
WOMAN 3: A few months
later, Britain was gonna hold a
1457
01:17:59,326 --> 01:18:03,330
referendum on whether to
leave the European Union.
1458
01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:06,812
NEWS REPORTER 41: People of
Britain have spoken,
1459
01:18:06,856 --> 01:18:08,901
voting for a British
exit, dubbed Brexit,
1460
01:18:08,945 --> 01:18:11,904
with almost 52% of the
votes choosing to leave the 28
1461
01:18:11,948 --> 01:18:15,038
member European Union.
1462
01:18:15,081 --> 01:18:17,780
NEWS REPORTER 41: And Cameron
was the figurehead for Romaine,
1463
01:18:17,823 --> 01:18:21,044
but the British press is
dominated by press barrons who
1464
01:18:21,087 --> 01:18:24,961
wanted us to leave, and it
suited their agenda to destroy
1465
01:18:25,004 --> 01:18:26,571
the figurehead for Romane.
1466
01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:30,749
DAVID: On Wednesday, I would
attend the House of Commons for
1467
01:18:30,793 --> 01:18:33,273
Prime Ministers, answer
questions, and then after that,
1468
01:18:33,317 --> 01:18:36,276
I expect to go to the
Palace and offer my resignation,
1469
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,888
so we'll have a new Prime
Minister in that building behind
1470
01:18:38,931 --> 01:18:41,064
me by Wednesday evening.
1471
01:18:41,107 --> 01:18:43,153
Thank you very much.
1472
01:18:44,197 --> 01:18:46,765
PAUL: Cameron helped to create
this moral atmosphere which
1473
01:18:46,809 --> 01:18:50,334
said, look, this behavior is
wrong and should not be helped
1474
01:18:50,377 --> 01:18:53,903
by the laws that we have
in existence at the moment.
1475
01:18:53,946 --> 01:18:57,950
♪♪
1476
01:18:57,994 --> 01:19:00,387
[applause]
1477
01:19:00,431 --> 01:19:03,086
MAN 8: The documents show allies
to Russian President Vladimir
1478
01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:06,089
Putin secretly shuffled as much
as $2 billion through
1479
01:19:06,132 --> 01:19:08,787
banks and shadow companies.
1480
01:19:08,831 --> 01:19:10,658
PAUL: Day one, of course,
was Vladimir Putin and the two
1481
01:19:10,702 --> 01:19:13,226
$2 billion worth of
money that led back to him,
1482
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:15,098
which was a remarkable story.
1483
01:19:15,141 --> 01:19:17,970
It's been one of international
journalism's holy grails,
1484
01:19:18,014 --> 01:19:19,885
really, that story.
1485
01:19:19,929 --> 01:19:21,844
JOHN OLIVER: The papers revealed
the identity of a suspiciously
1486
01:19:21,887 --> 01:19:26,762
rich cellist, which raises
immediate red flags for me,
1487
01:19:26,805 --> 01:19:28,981
'cause I always thought the
only way to make millions with a
1488
01:19:29,025 --> 01:19:31,810
cello is to use it
to dig for gold.
1489
01:19:31,854 --> 01:19:33,725
[laughter]
1490
01:20:01,666 --> 01:20:03,059
LUKE: You know, he's basically
saying we're all spies.
1491
01:20:03,102 --> 01:20:05,888
We scheme dastardly stuff to
try and defame the
1492
01:20:05,931 --> 01:20:07,933
Russian Federation.
1493
01:20:07,977 --> 01:20:09,108
Now, of course
that isn't the case,
1494
01:20:09,152 --> 01:20:10,980
and if it were a CIA plot--
1495
01:20:11,023 --> 01:20:12,329
[jeering]
1496
01:20:12,372 --> 01:20:14,287
LUKE: --how come David
Cameron got sucked in?
1497
01:20:14,331 --> 01:20:15,854
How come demonstrations
in Iceland [chuckles]
1498
01:20:15,898 --> 01:20:17,943
and Argentina?
1499
01:20:18,901 --> 01:20:20,511
JULIETTE: I mean
the hilarious thing,
1500
01:20:20,554 --> 01:20:24,776
you know, is that Putin ended
up having to buy lots of cellos.
1501
01:20:25,429 --> 01:20:27,083
Roldugin bought lots of cellos
because he said it was for
1502
01:20:27,126 --> 01:20:29,868
buying cellos, so they went and
bought a lot of cellos after.
1503
01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:33,350
[laughs]
1504
01:20:34,177 --> 01:20:37,833
MARISA: This wasn't on
official news in Russia.
1505
01:20:37,876 --> 01:20:40,009
Unless you were
looking at foreign media,
1506
01:20:40,052 --> 01:20:43,229
you had no idea that
the Panama Papers broke.
1507
01:20:43,273 --> 01:20:45,971
The officials who were
implicated in these documents
1508
01:20:46,015 --> 01:20:48,844
would retaliate
against journalists.
1509
01:20:48,887 --> 01:20:49,888
It's real.
1510
01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:51,194
Journalists have been killed.
1511
01:20:51,237 --> 01:20:55,372
[sirens]
1512
01:20:55,415 --> 01:20:56,982
NEWS REPORTER 42: A car exploded
in flames in the Ukrainian
1513
01:20:57,026 --> 01:21:00,507
capital of Kiev early Wednesday
morning inside a prominent
1514
01:21:00,551 --> 01:21:02,858
journalist, Pavel Sheremet.
1515
01:21:02,901 --> 01:21:06,078
MAN 9: [speaking
foreign language]
1516
01:21:06,122 --> 01:21:08,080
NEWS REPORTER 42: An eye witness
to the blast says several people
1517
01:21:08,124 --> 01:21:09,734
tried to pull Sheremet from
the car, but it appeared
1518
01:21:09,777 --> 01:21:10,953
he was already dead.
1519
01:21:11,562 --> 01:21:13,825
LUKE: In Russia,
journalists, um,
1520
01:21:13,869 --> 01:21:15,783
both in the big
cities and the provinces,
1521
01:21:15,827 --> 01:21:18,003
get killed, shot,
beaten to death.
1522
01:21:18,047 --> 01:21:20,005
Roman Anin who works
for Novaya Gazeta,
1523
01:21:20,049 --> 01:21:22,399
he was kind of
instrumental in, in chasing the,
1524
01:21:22,442 --> 01:21:24,401
following the money all the way
to Putin and making that kind
1525
01:21:24,444 --> 01:21:25,271
of connection.
1526
01:21:39,329 --> 01:21:41,070
FREDERIK: The Kremlin pretty
soon found out who our Russia
1527
01:21:41,113 --> 01:21:46,031
partners are, so there
was TV programs that were,
1528
01:21:46,075 --> 01:21:48,729
that basically
screamed something like,
1529
01:21:48,773 --> 01:21:53,169
"Wanted" posters of the two of
them putting out information,
1530
01:21:53,212 --> 01:21:55,693
um, on them, detailed
information that could lead
1531
01:21:55,736 --> 01:21:59,131
people to the place where they
work or potentially where
1532
01:21:59,175 --> 01:22:00,654
they live.
1533
01:22:00,698 --> 01:22:03,744
They, to a certain point,
left Russia for a while.
1534
01:22:07,009 --> 01:22:09,881
RITA: We were
treated as, uh, traitors.
1535
01:22:09,925 --> 01:22:12,188
There were publications all
over the social networks and
1536
01:22:12,231 --> 01:22:15,365
everywhere blaming us
for selling our country,
1537
01:22:15,408 --> 01:22:17,193
blaming us for treason.
1538
01:22:17,236 --> 01:22:19,064
Theywere people saying,
"What should we do with a
1539
01:22:19,108 --> 01:22:20,500
traitor journalist?"
1540
01:22:20,544 --> 01:22:22,067
with our names.
1541
01:22:22,111 --> 01:22:23,764
They said, well, should we
throw them off the bridge of
1542
01:22:23,808 --> 01:22:24,852
the canal?
1543
01:22:24,896 --> 01:22:26,942
Should we send
them to Punta Coco,
1544
01:22:26,985 --> 01:22:28,856
which is equivalent of
Alcatraz for Panama,
1545
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:29,901
or should we just
send them to La Joya,
1546
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,729
which is a maximum
security prison.
1547
01:22:32,686 --> 01:22:33,818
JOSEPH: This sort of thing
is happening
1548
01:22:33,861 --> 01:22:34,819
a lot of, a lot of
places in the world,
1549
01:22:34,862 --> 01:22:36,125
it's absolutely terrifying.
1550
01:22:36,168 --> 01:22:38,605
Me personally, I've been
physically threatened,
1551
01:22:38,649 --> 01:22:40,129
I've been
threatened with lawsuits.
1552
01:22:40,172 --> 01:22:42,218
Um, but I'm really lucky.
1553
01:22:42,261 --> 01:22:44,220
I, you know, I work
in the United States.
1554
01:22:44,263 --> 01:22:46,613
It's really bad form to
kill a journalist here.
1555
01:22:46,657 --> 01:22:49,181
Investigative journalism is hard
enough without having to worry,
1556
01:22:49,225 --> 01:22:51,792
do all that kind
of moral math, um,
1557
01:22:51,836 --> 01:22:53,403
physical risk.
1558
01:22:53,446 --> 01:22:54,447
It's something that war
correspondents are used to doing
1559
01:22:54,491 --> 01:22:55,796
all the time.
1560
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:56,972
In a way, it kind of feels
like we're all war
1561
01:22:57,015 --> 01:22:58,364
correspondents now.
1562
01:23:01,367 --> 01:23:04,414
MARINA: This just shows how
vulnerable reporters around the
1563
01:23:04,457 --> 01:23:07,330
world working on
corruption issues are.
1564
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:14,772
One answer to that vulnerability
is working in networks and
1565
01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:16,730
in teams.
1566
01:23:17,993 --> 01:23:20,691
You can't take
down 376 reporters.
1567
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,177
PRESENTER: For
the Panama Papers,
1568
01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:30,918
reporting that explored the
hidden infrastructure and global
1569
01:23:30,962 --> 01:23:33,486
scale of offshore tax havens...
1570
01:23:33,530 --> 01:23:35,140
[cheering]
1571
01:23:35,184 --> 01:23:37,360
PRESENTER: The Pulitzer Prize
and explanatory reporting goes
1572
01:23:37,403 --> 01:23:41,494
to...The International
Consortium of Investigative
1573
01:23:41,538 --> 01:23:45,237
Journalists, McClatchy
and the Miami Herald.
1574
01:23:45,281 --> 01:23:46,804
[cheering]
1575
01:23:46,847 --> 01:23:50,286
MARISA: Just the idea that
we were able to-to finish the
1576
01:23:50,329 --> 01:23:56,248
Panama Papers despite all of the
doubts and publish it along with
1577
01:23:56,292 --> 01:23:58,381
all of these other
reporters all across the world.
1578
01:23:58,424 --> 01:24:04,213
[chatter]
1579
01:24:04,256 --> 01:24:07,520
JOÓHANNES: And it felt so
surreal because the Pulitzer is
1580
01:24:07,564 --> 01:24:11,133
something you always
dream of as a journalist,
1581
01:24:11,176 --> 01:24:13,787
but as a German journalist, it's
something that you can normally
1582
01:24:13,831 --> 01:24:15,963
not reach.
1583
01:24:16,007 --> 01:24:22,144
[cheers and applause]
1584
01:24:22,187 --> 01:24:23,754
GERARD: It's nice to show that
journalists can actually work
1585
01:24:23,797 --> 01:24:25,451
together, and I think that's
something that we always thought
1586
01:24:25,495 --> 01:24:26,452
would never happen.
1587
01:24:26,496 --> 01:24:28,411
You know,
journalists are selfish,
1588
01:24:28,454 --> 01:24:30,369
we don't share stories,
we don't share sources.
1589
01:24:30,413 --> 01:24:31,979
We've just proven
that that's wrong,
1590
01:24:32,023 --> 01:24:33,285
that, in fact, you can get a
better story sometimes if you
1591
01:24:33,329 --> 01:24:36,071
do, if you do share.
1592
01:24:38,203 --> 01:24:41,685
MAN 9: You do need big,
international teams to cover
1593
01:24:41,728 --> 01:24:44,035
big, international topics.
1594
01:24:45,645 --> 01:24:47,299
KEVIN: Then it cleared the way
for us to spend the rest of the
1595
01:24:47,343 --> 01:24:50,389
year really doing the kind of
stuff that you couldn't do on
1596
01:24:50,433 --> 01:24:52,261
the first day, but were just
as important as the first
1597
01:24:52,304 --> 01:24:53,871
day stories.
1598
01:24:59,746 --> 01:25:01,531
FREDERIK: I thought that this
would be the time that we can
1599
01:25:01,574 --> 01:25:06,188
refocus and go into the stories
we hadn't yet the time to
1600
01:25:06,231 --> 01:25:13,760
finish, but then we heard this
terrible news from Malta where
1601
01:25:13,804 --> 01:25:18,243
Daphne Galizia, um, was
killed in a-a car bombing.
1602
01:25:18,287 --> 01:25:22,160
NEWS REPORTER 43: The son of
the investigative journalist,
1603
01:25:22,204 --> 01:25:24,510
Daphne Caruana Galizia, who was
killed in a car bomb attack in
1604
01:25:24,554 --> 01:25:27,513
Malta has attacked the island
as a mafia state run by what he
1605
01:25:27,557 --> 01:25:28,949
called crooks.
1606
01:25:28,993 --> 01:25:31,474
His 53-year-old mother,
who was killed yesterday,
1607
01:25:31,517 --> 01:25:34,477
was known for her blog accusing
politicians of high-level
1608
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,176
corruption and she led the
Panama Papers investigation into
1609
01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:39,873
corruption on the island.
1610
01:25:41,875 --> 01:25:43,442
MAN 10: We couldn't have been
more shocked when-when we found
1611
01:25:43,486 --> 01:25:44,965
out that Daphne, you
know, Matthew's mother,
1612
01:25:45,009 --> 01:25:47,098
had been blown up.
1613
01:25:47,142 --> 01:25:51,015
I mean, it just seemed so
senseless and-and crazy.
1614
01:25:53,104 --> 01:25:54,627
MATTHEW: It was,
the message was,
1615
01:25:54,671 --> 01:26:00,198
look, we can, we can do this
and we can get away with it.
1616
01:26:00,242 --> 01:26:03,288
We have, there's no deterrent.
1617
01:26:03,332 --> 01:26:08,075
We can strike whoever we want,
whenever we want and get away
1618
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:10,817
with it.
1619
01:26:14,517 --> 01:26:15,692
GERARD: The fact that
she was killed in Malta,
1620
01:26:15,735 --> 01:26:17,694
you're talking about
a European country.
1621
01:26:17,737 --> 01:26:21,872
That really shocked not
just us, but also the world.
1622
01:26:24,396 --> 01:26:26,050
JACOB: You know, this,
what happened to Daphne,
1623
01:26:26,093 --> 01:26:31,316
it-it never, we never thought
anything could happen in Malta.
1624
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,231
Daphne was, you
know, very much a,
1625
01:26:33,275 --> 01:26:34,580
a fearless investigator.
1626
01:26:34,624 --> 01:26:38,236
You know, a, a lone, a
lone voice in a sense.
1627
01:26:39,368 --> 01:26:40,717
She was very frustrated
with-with mainstream media.
1628
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,197
I don't know.
1629
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:46,201
People just gravitated
towards her blog naturally.
1630
01:26:46,766 --> 01:26:48,377
JULIETTE: Daphne was
fierce, and she was a blogger,
1631
01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:50,553
so she had a lot more freedom
than newspaper journalists in
1632
01:26:50,596 --> 01:26:53,251
terms of expressing her
opinion, and she used it.
1633
01:26:53,295 --> 01:26:56,254
DAPHNE: My article went
up at 7:00 in the evening,
1634
01:26:56,298 --> 01:26:59,344
and two and a half hours
later, by half past nine,
1635
01:26:59,388 --> 01:27:03,609
the police are already at my
gate with a warrant for my
1636
01:27:03,653 --> 01:27:07,918
arrest issued by a magistrate
within two and a half hours.
1637
01:27:07,961 --> 01:27:13,489
The police cannot understand why
I will not abide by the law and
1638
01:27:13,532 --> 01:27:16,796
sit at home quietly and not
write anything about politics.
1639
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:22,106
FREDERIK: She was one addressing
things many politicians did not
1640
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:24,021
want to hear.
1641
01:27:25,675 --> 01:27:29,635
She wrote about corruption
at the highest levels
1642
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:31,420
of government.
1643
01:27:31,463 --> 01:27:32,595
You know, I
mean I always get,
1644
01:27:32,638 --> 01:27:34,727
like, you know,
the-the usual people,
1645
01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:37,164
"Don't worry, the
truth will come to light.
1646
01:27:37,208 --> 01:27:38,470
Good always wins.
1647
01:27:38,514 --> 01:27:40,167
There will be justice."
1648
01:27:40,211 --> 01:27:42,300
My mother always
thought that was bullshit.
1649
01:27:44,433 --> 01:27:46,217
JULIETTE: She
wasn't just outspoken.
1650
01:27:46,261 --> 01:27:48,654
She was effective, and I think
that's why she's-she's
1651
01:27:48,698 --> 01:27:50,613
been killed.
1652
01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:56,662
What was
particularly shocking was that,
1653
01:27:56,706 --> 01:28:00,579
for some people, um, this
assassination was a-a cause
1654
01:28:00,623 --> 01:28:02,189
of celebration.
1655
01:28:02,233 --> 01:28:06,324
One police officer actually
tweeted that he was pleased that
1656
01:28:06,368 --> 01:28:09,719
this had happened and-and called
her "cow dung" the day after,
1657
01:28:09,762 --> 01:28:13,592
so you know, there wasn't
universal condemnation of this
1658
01:28:13,636 --> 01:28:14,680
act in Malta.
1659
01:28:14,724 --> 01:28:17,204
Perhaps there should have been.
1660
01:28:17,988 --> 01:28:19,468
NEWS REPORTER 44: A court in
Malta has charged three men with
1661
01:28:19,511 --> 01:28:21,905
the murder of
Daphne Caruana Galiza.
1662
01:28:21,948 --> 01:28:24,386
Maltase media say the
authorities honed in on the
1663
01:28:24,429 --> 01:28:27,737
suspects following
telephone intercepts.
1664
01:28:27,780 --> 01:28:30,087
Police arrested 10 men on on
Monday in connection with
1665
01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:31,828
the killing.
1666
01:28:31,871 --> 01:28:35,614
Seven have been released on
bail pending further inquiries.
1667
01:28:36,398 --> 01:28:38,878
MAN 11: It was
just all a big show.
1668
01:28:38,922 --> 01:28:42,447
MATTHEW: I am quite confident
that they were the people who
1669
01:28:42,491 --> 01:28:46,538
executed the orders to
assassinate my mother,
1670
01:28:46,582 --> 01:28:48,845
but my mother never
wrote about them,
1671
01:28:48,888 --> 01:28:52,762
she never investigated them,
she had no idea who they were.
1672
01:28:52,805 --> 01:28:56,331
They've probably never
even read what she wrote.
1673
01:28:57,897 --> 01:28:59,812
JACOB:They may have the
people who-who pushed a button,
1674
01:28:59,856 --> 01:29:01,814
who-who, you know,
who set off the bomb,
1675
01:29:01,858 --> 01:29:03,468
but they're definitely
not the masterminds,
1676
01:29:03,512 --> 01:29:05,601
and they definitely, you know,
wouldn't have had the motive to
1677
01:29:05,644 --> 01:29:08,255
do it, so the big
question is, you know,
1678
01:29:08,299 --> 01:29:10,257
who ordered this
kill, and ultimately,
1679
01:29:10,301 --> 01:29:13,217
who paid them, as well?
1680
01:29:14,740 --> 01:29:18,265
MAN 10: The way it was done,
it was also a way of getting
1681
01:29:18,309 --> 01:29:20,137
sources to stop talking.
1682
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:25,098
♪♪
1683
01:29:25,142 --> 01:29:35,195
[background chatter]
1684
01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:45,205
[cheering]
1685
01:29:45,249 --> 01:29:50,123
[cheering]
1686
01:30:03,485 --> 01:30:06,052
NEWS REPORTER 45: The two
founders of Panamanian law firm
1687
01:30:06,096 --> 01:30:09,665
Mossack Fonseca were arrested
after both were indicted on
1688
01:30:09,708 --> 01:30:11,536
charges of money laundering.
1689
01:31:15,165 --> 01:31:18,603
ROBERTO: Porcell, I think, is
trying to do what has to be
1690
01:31:18,647 --> 01:31:24,522
done, but the judiciary, which
is where she has to deposit
1691
01:31:24,566 --> 01:31:31,921
her investigations, has zero
credibility at this point.
1692
01:31:32,791 --> 01:31:36,926
If you talk to Panamanians
out there about this,
1693
01:31:36,969 --> 01:31:39,624
the reaction is
"No pasa nada"...
1694
01:31:39,668 --> 01:31:41,844
Nothing will happen.
1695
01:31:41,887 --> 01:31:42,932
I don't think that's right.
1696
01:31:42,975 --> 01:31:45,587
I think that
something will happen.
1697
01:31:45,630 --> 01:31:49,460
We have an ex-president of
the Supreme Court in jail.
1698
01:31:49,504 --> 01:31:52,594
We have an
ex-president in jail in Miami.
1699
01:31:52,637 --> 01:31:55,248
I mean, there are
things happening.
1700
01:31:59,818 --> 01:32:02,081
I feel that
somewhere along the way,
1701
01:32:02,125 --> 01:32:05,563
in incremental bits, we'll
be solving these problems.
1702
01:32:05,607 --> 01:32:10,394
It's just a, a human problem
that we have to face all over
1703
01:32:10,437 --> 01:32:12,701
the world.
1704
01:32:14,616 --> 01:32:16,705
FREDERIK: This is
not only about Panama,
1705
01:32:16,748 --> 01:32:20,665
that's a worldwide problem,
and if it should get solved,
1706
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:22,754
it's something that has to
be addressed in the U.S.,
1707
01:32:22,798 --> 01:32:24,321
as well.
1708
01:32:24,364 --> 01:32:25,975
KEVIN: One of the things
that led to change on the U.S.
1709
01:32:26,018 --> 01:32:30,588
end that both Nevada and Wyoming
changed their laws based on some
1710
01:32:30,632 --> 01:32:32,982
of what we were able to show
about these nominee directors
1711
01:32:33,025 --> 01:32:35,245
that really weren't contacts.
1712
01:32:35,288 --> 01:32:38,074
And the UK government is now
supporting efforts to force
1713
01:32:38,117 --> 01:32:41,599
transparency in overseas
tax havens that do that by
1714
01:32:41,643 --> 01:32:44,559
introducing public registries
across the
1715
01:32:44,602 --> 01:32:44,950
commonwealth countries.
1716
01:32:49,128 --> 01:32:54,046
MARINA/EMILIA:
[speaking Spanish]
1717
01:32:54,090 --> 01:32:56,005
WOMAN 5: Panama Papers
hasn't ended yet.
1718
01:32:56,048 --> 01:32:57,441
It's still going.
1719
01:32:57,484 --> 01:33:01,619
Every week, there's a new
Panama Papers development.
1720
01:33:01,663 --> 01:33:04,796
Reporters are still in the
database and are still searching
1721
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:08,844
and still finding
things that we missed.
1722
01:33:11,281 --> 01:33:14,066
MARISA: While there have been a
lot of investigations launched,
1723
01:33:14,110 --> 01:33:18,505
including in the U.S., and there
have been a number of people all
1724
01:33:18,549 --> 01:33:21,030
across the world who
have been arrested,
1725
01:33:21,073 --> 01:33:25,774
there has been an element of
inaction in areas that really
1726
01:33:25,817 --> 01:33:29,952
matter, reform that would
prevent these offshores from
1727
01:33:29,995 --> 01:33:32,955
being created in the
way they are created.
1728
01:33:32,998 --> 01:33:34,391
There was a lot
of talk about it,
1729
01:33:34,434 --> 01:33:38,961
but yet, that hasn't
happened in a significant way.
1730
01:33:41,267 --> 01:33:42,791
MAN 10: I think history has
shown that as important as
1731
01:33:42,834 --> 01:33:46,316
Panama Papers are in revealing
this kind of underbelly of
1732
01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:50,015
global finance and how it
ties into the whole inequality
1733
01:33:50,059 --> 01:33:53,192
question, I think it also
will probably lead to a
1734
01:33:53,236 --> 01:33:54,280
better mousetrap.
1735
01:33:54,324 --> 01:33:55,281
GERARD: Will the scams go on?
1736
01:33:55,325 --> 01:33:56,631
Will there be new ways found?
1737
01:33:56,674 --> 01:33:58,328
Yes, of course.
1738
01:33:58,371 --> 01:34:00,504
You know, they, it-it, you know,
the world will probably just get
1739
01:34:00,547 --> 01:34:02,114
a bit more sophisticated.
1740
01:34:02,158 --> 01:34:04,769
MATTHEW: There's a democratic
backsliding in the world in
1741
01:34:04,813 --> 01:34:09,078
general, and I think that this
is taking journalism down
1742
01:34:09,121 --> 01:34:10,383
with it.
1743
01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:13,604
It's kind of strange
that, at that same time,
1744
01:34:13,648 --> 01:34:17,129
it's a golden age for
investigative journalism.
1745
01:34:17,173 --> 01:34:20,698
Our work has never been
as important as it is now.
1746
01:34:20,742 --> 01:34:32,492
♪♪
1747
01:34:32,536 --> 01:34:44,287
♪♪
1748
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:46,202
JOHN: But when it
takes a whistleblower to sound
1749
01:34:46,245 --> 01:34:49,596
the alarm, it is cause
for even greater concern.
1750
01:34:53,078 --> 01:34:54,863
It signals that democracy's
checks and balance have all
1751
01:34:54,906 --> 01:34:59,084
failed, that the
breakdown is systemic,
1752
01:34:59,128 --> 01:35:02,697
and that severe instability
could be just around the corner.
1753
01:35:06,048 --> 01:35:08,615
So now is the time
for real action.
1754
01:35:08,659 --> 01:35:23,413
♪♪
1755
01:35:23,456 --> 01:35:38,080
♪♪
1756
01:35:38,123 --> 01:35:52,877
♪♪
1757
01:35:52,921 --> 01:36:07,674
♪♪
1758
01:36:07,718 --> 01:36:22,515
♪♪
1759
01:36:22,559 --> 01:36:37,095
♪♪
1760
01:36:37,139 --> 01:36:51,893
♪♪
1761
01:36:51,936 --> 01:37:06,733
♪♪
1762
01:37:06,777 --> 01:37:21,531
♪♪
1763
01:37:21,574 --> 01:37:36,198
♪♪
1764
01:37:36,241 --> 01:37:50,995
♪♪
1765
01:37:51,039 --> 01:38:05,836
♪♪
1766
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:20,633
♪♪
1767
01:38:20,677 --> 01:38:35,213
♪♪
1768
01:38:35,257 --> 01:38:50,011
♪♪
1769
01:38:50,054 --> 01:39:04,895
♪♪
1770
01:39:04,939 --> 01:39:19,649
♪♪
1771
01:39:19,692 --> 01:39:34,272
♪♪
1772
01:39:34,316 --> 01:39:49,157
♪♪
1773
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:54,945
♪♪
1774
01:40:00,995 --> 01:40:05,782
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