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-That's the one.
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She's strong enough to have done it.
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Gossip. Murderer.
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Child murderer.
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I became the devil.
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Things that I'd been very proud of
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were now being used against me.
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They made me ashamed of everything.
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What proof do they have?
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They don't.
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They don't know the truth.
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This was, and still is,
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the biggest murder inquiry
ever seen in South Wales.
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After months of often frustrating work,
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police have now arrested a 38-year-old man
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on suspicion of murder.
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For four days, and then release the bastard!
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-Superintendent,
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you've been on this
investigation now for two weeks.
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What progress have you made?
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-Substantial progress, I
think, in the last two weeks.
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It's just a question of really building
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everything that we've got
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and trying to put the
pieces of the jigsaw together.
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But every day, new bits
of information come in
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and we prioritize them
and act on them accordingly.
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My wife was just a few
years younger than Mandy.
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My mother, who was still alive at that stage,
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was the same age as Doris.
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And two of my four children
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were the same age of Katie and Emily.
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And I couldn't believe that
some other human being
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was capable of doing this.
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We knew that Mandy was
having a lesbian relationship
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with Alison Lewis.
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A former police officer.
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People point the finger.
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I'd rather follow the evidence.
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So the investigation
started by trying to find out
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who'd come to that house on that evening.
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How much pressure are you under here
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to make an arrest quickly?
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-I think the community would like to see
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an arrest made quickly,
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but it's not a question of quickness.
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It's a question of a
methodical investigation.
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Three and a half months before,
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somebody tried the back door.
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So three and a half
months before the murders,
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you heard somebody trying the back door?
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Yeah.
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-Can I take a sip of that first?
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Mandy sometimes felt
like she was being watched.
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She seemed to be a bit
frightened of something.
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You could tell something was niggling her.
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I was sleeping over at Mandy's, I was,
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and Mandy came back from a night out.
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She'd gone out with Alison Lewis.
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Could see Mandy looking up the window
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in between the curtains,
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just having a peep.
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And she said, "There's someone out the back."
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-He was standing the top of the garden
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and she asked me what he was doing.
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I said, "Well, he's just standing there."
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He was literally just
standing by the back fence
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watching her house.
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How would you describe him?
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-Tall, black bomber jacket
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with a shiny fabric
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'cause you can see the light reflecting.
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Could you see the person's face?
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-No.
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-I think Martyn was
quite right to come to us.
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I mean, "Crimewatch" was
the most visible platform.
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And at times we were
getting phenomenal audiences,
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10, 12, 15,
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I think one got well over 16 million.
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Good evening.
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Detective superintendent Martyn Lloyd Evans
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says he and his colleagues
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have never seen anything like it.
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And tonight, he's turning to us for help,
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or rather, he's turning to you.
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So you think this might be somebody
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who had expressed a
dislike of Mandy in the past?
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Certainly a possibility, I suppose.
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-Always a possibility, yes.
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-And maybe-
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If you put yourself in the position
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of a senior investigating
officer on something like this,
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you passionately want to solve this
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on a purely emotional level.
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You wanna solve it on a professional level.
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It's a feather in your
cap if you do solve it.
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You've got all your team.
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The team are loyal to you.
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You are loyal to the team.
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You want to solve it for the team.
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Mandy and the children
got home late that night.
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Mandy had been babysitting for her cousin.
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-Somebody must suspect something.
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I'd ask people,
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did their partner come
home this particular night?
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Did they come home
late, perhaps bloodstained?
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Did they come home
perhaps in different clothing?
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Did they spend maybe extra
time in the bathroom this night?
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Don't keep it to yourself.
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You can't have this on your conscience.
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Come forward and help us.
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-We also need to pin down sightings
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and either turn those into evidence
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or firmly eliminate them from the inquiry.
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-There was a real chance, a huge chance
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that you could get to somebody
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who hadn't realized that
they could hold a clue
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which could resolve the crime.
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-I was on my way home from Cardiff.
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It was about 2:30 and I
was coming up to the junction
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and where that white van is,
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I saw a young couple.
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They seemed to be having disagreement.
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I heard some raised voices
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and just carried on going up the hill.
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And as I was driving up the hill,
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I saw there was a man walking quite briskly.
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And I saw him just here under the lamp post.
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He was quite tall, quite
stocky, dark cropped hair.
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He was wearing dark jeans, trousers,
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and seemed to me like a shiny bomber jacket.
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And he was carrying a bundle under his arm,
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quite a large parcel
of some sort, or kit bag.
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-Nicola Williams is a
respectable, well-educated lady.
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And we need to identify that person.
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-Good morning.
-Morning.
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-It's received tremendous press coverage,
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both locally and nationally.
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I say, if it is you,
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if you are the person walking
to the scene at 2:35-ish,
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carrying this baggage or whatever it was,
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this something under the arm,
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please come forward.
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Nicola Williams was
driving up Gellionen Road,
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where she's passed an individual
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who she subsequently prepared an E-fit from.
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Were you ever show the E-fit
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from Nicola Williams' sighting?
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-Not by the police, but I
was shown by someone else.
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And then
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the police officer that was obviously
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trying to talk to me at the time,
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I told him who it was
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and he didn't like my answer, so...
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And who did you say it looked like?
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Stephen Lewis, the police officer.
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Alison's husband.
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You're not gonna forget
a face like that, are you?
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-Questions were being asked by officers
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involved in the inquiry,
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but I would've expected that
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because of the magnitude of the inquiry
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plus the circumstance
in which I'd found myself.
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And of course, me finding out
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about the hidden aspect of the
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relationship between Alison and Mandy.
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It was just too much to take in, really.
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It's total disbelief.
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-My wife had a lesbian affair?
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I'm a, you know, Welshman.
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I mean, you can't have that.
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I think the motive is there.
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The role of investigative journalist
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is to hold people account,
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you know, be a troublemaker,
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and the police don't like it.
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In the first couple weeks,
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they probably had all
the evidence they needed
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in relation to what was the worst murder case
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they'd ever had.
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I mean, that E-fit is
exactly like Stephen Lewis
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and is a 90% likeness of the person
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Nicola Williams spotted
near the murder scene.
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That's what the documents show.
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Didn't do anything with it.
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They just couldn't believe it.
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One of our own?
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Why did you choose
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to not show the public this E-fit?
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-This person was carrying
something under their arm.
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Because we knew that the killer
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didn't bring anything with him to the scene,
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didn't bring anything to start the fire with
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or a murder weapon,
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and this sighting took
place well after the murders,
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I didn't feel that this
person was the killer.
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I didn't wanna swamp this investigation,
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grinding it down by putting E-fits out
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and for the inquiry team
to spend their whole time
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tracing people who were in that area
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based upon an E-fit.
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So you didn't wanna swamp the investigation,
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but when you said-
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-I didn't think it was relevant.
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It's now five weeks since the murders
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and there has been no arrest,
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but they're anxious to reassure people
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that the inquiry continues.
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-I want to make sure that
when we catch this killer,
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that the correct person's arrested,
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put before the court and convicted,
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and never ever comes out of prison again.
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-It's six weeks
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since the village of Clydach was shocked
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by the killing of Mandy Power,
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her two young daughters, and her mother.
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-The team are totally dedicated.
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We've gone a long way forward in five months,
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absolutely positive.
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-The sense of loss, pain,
and anguish that we feel
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is indescribable
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and lives with us all night and day.
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We pray every day that justice will be done.
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-We, as a family, believe
that Mandy knew her killer.
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Someone out there is
shielding him at the moment.
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-And with no arrest yet,
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it must be said,
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there's considerable
disquiet within the community.
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After all, this was a
murder, a terrible murder,
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committed by someone
who knew Mandy Powell well,
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someone linked to her personal life,
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and they can't understand why
no arrest has yet been made.
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-We were getting pressure
now from the community,
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and I understand that.
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People want, "What's happening here?"
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You know, this is a
terrible, terrible murder.
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What are you doing to solve this, please?
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Everybody was talking about the Lewises,
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the Lewises, the Lewises, the Lewises.
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Was it them?
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Some were convinced it was.
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-A difficulty in this particular case,
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as far as the Lewises were concerned,
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Stephen and Allison had a concrete alibi
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as to where they were.
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He was at home.
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-How can you be so sure of that?
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-I said to the police,
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I woke up twice during the night.
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I don't know the time of
the first time I woke up.
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But the second time that I
got up was half past four.
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And the both times I woke up, he was there.
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-Evidence.
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You know, we can't manufacture evidence.
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We have to find it.
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-What I intend to do
today is to first of all,
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talk about,
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effectively, tell you about
the state of the investigation.
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-Still, nobody has been charged.
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It's nearly a year since the murder
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of three generations of the same family
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in the Clydach area of Swansea.
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Once you get a year in on a big inquiry,
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it's pretty disheartening for the police.
264
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-It is not too late.
265
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12 months have passed.
266
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It doesn't mean it's too late
267
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for these people to come forward.
268
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-Martyn had enormous responsibility.
269
00:16:58,103 --> 00:16:59,343
This is the sort of thing
270
00:16:59,344 --> 00:17:02,171
that is a make or break for a career.
271
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I mean, people are frightened.
272
00:17:03,344 --> 00:17:04,454
This person's out there
273
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and is in their midst.
274
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This is someone they think
275
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is sitting on the bus next to them,
276
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who could be in the
shop just across the street,
277
00:17:15,137 --> 00:17:17,407
who could be driving past them at any moment.
278
00:17:20,241 --> 00:17:21,761
The media are pointing fingers, saying,
279
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"Why can't you solve this?"
280
00:17:54,551 --> 00:17:56,691
Right, if the murders are on the 26th...
281
00:17:56,692 --> 00:18:00,516
What took place that Saturday afternoon?
282
00:18:00,517 --> 00:18:02,377
During the day on Saturday,
283
00:18:03,241 --> 00:18:05,001
Mandy bought two bottles of wine
284
00:18:05,002 --> 00:18:06,000
down in Somerfield.
285
00:18:10,517 --> 00:18:12,617
And the reason she bought them
286
00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:14,100
is because...?
287
00:18:14,103 --> 00:18:15,551
She thought Alison was
coming down that night.
288
00:18:15,552 --> 00:18:16,723
She thought Alison was coming down
289
00:18:16,724 --> 00:18:18,144
to Mandy's house?
290
00:18:20,793 --> 00:18:21,903
On the Saturday night?
291
00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:37,070
-If Alison Lewis had gone to
see Mandy later that evening,
292
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,380
this is a really important
matter within the case.
293
00:18:45,275 --> 00:18:47,235
What else did you tell the police?
294
00:18:48,344 --> 00:18:50,694
-A few weeks before the murders,
295
00:18:52,758 --> 00:18:54,278
I was in my mother's
296
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,240
and I walked from the
back room to the hallway
297
00:19:00,241 --> 00:19:02,311
and a car screeched up at the front.
298
00:19:04,206 --> 00:19:06,926
And there's a wind door
by my mother's front door.
299
00:19:09,517 --> 00:19:10,997
And it was open,
300
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000
so I peeped.
301
00:19:13,448 --> 00:19:16,168
And you could just see
the top of Mandy's steps.
302
00:19:19,172 --> 00:19:20,722
This guy got out.
303
00:19:20,724 --> 00:19:22,414
He had black trousers on, white shirt
304
00:19:22,415 --> 00:19:25,523
and a shiny jacket thing.
305
00:19:26,724 --> 00:19:30,067
So I was looking and he looked annoyed
306
00:19:30,068 --> 00:19:31,758
and then he was screaming at her.
307
00:19:33,275 --> 00:19:34,205
He said,
308
00:19:34,206 --> 00:19:35,172
"Stay away from my fucking wife
309
00:19:35,173 --> 00:19:36,483
or fucking I'll kill you."
310
00:19:41,896 --> 00:19:43,956
And how sure are you of who it was?
311
00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:46,025
-I'm positive. I'm positive.
312
00:19:46,034 --> 00:19:48,104
-And who was it?
-It was Stephen.
313
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:50,378
Well, I came out.
314
00:19:50,379 --> 00:19:51,619
Steve had come down the steps,
315
00:19:51,620 --> 00:19:54,309
right when I got to there by the gate
316
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:55,999
and Mandy was on the floor.
317
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,378
The door was open.
318
00:19:57,379 --> 00:20:00,205
She was on the floor
against the wall like that,
319
00:20:00,206 --> 00:20:01,756
kneeling down.
320
00:20:01,758 --> 00:20:04,788
And the kids were on top of
the stairs crying, you know?
321
00:20:06,103 --> 00:20:07,723
I said, "What's happened?"
322
00:20:09,034 --> 00:20:10,999
I said, "What's he doing here?"
323
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,550
And she went, "I think he knows."
324
00:20:16,379 --> 00:20:17,759
Mandy was destroyed.
325
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:22,860
-I was a bit concerned
326
00:20:22,862 --> 00:20:24,902
as to why she hadn't given this before,
327
00:20:24,903 --> 00:20:28,406
when clearly was really
important to this investigation.
328
00:20:35,137 --> 00:20:37,617
Why have you taken so long?
329
00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:39,270
You said before not to
keep anything from you.
330
00:20:39,275 --> 00:20:41,645
And my mother tells me one thing.
331
00:20:41,655 --> 00:20:42,955
If I've got something to say to you,
332
00:20:42,965 --> 00:20:45,025
she'll say, "Oh, don't say that, like."
333
00:20:45,034 --> 00:20:46,384
And then you tell me to tell the truth.
334
00:20:46,385 --> 00:20:48,929
And then my mother tells
me not to say anything.
335
00:20:48,931 --> 00:20:50,381
I don't know who to tell then.
336
00:20:54,137 --> 00:20:56,097
-If what Louise Pugh said was true
337
00:20:57,275 --> 00:21:00,645
and Stephen Lewis knew about the affair,
338
00:21:00,655 --> 00:21:03,445
if Alison did go there that night,
339
00:21:03,448 --> 00:21:07,028
was it the case that Stephen
Lewis had followed her?
340
00:21:07,965 --> 00:21:09,445
Quite clearly, that moved them
341
00:21:09,448 --> 00:21:13,478
from the category of being
witnesses to being suspects.
342
00:21:15,068 --> 00:21:16,826
-The detectives told me that
343
00:21:16,827 --> 00:21:18,897
they thought it was Alison
344
00:21:21,517 --> 00:21:22,517
and Stephen.
345
00:21:27,310 --> 00:21:29,030
-We have to act. We have to act.
346
00:21:29,034 --> 00:21:30,554
That's based on the evidence we have
347
00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:33,931
and let's deal with them
in the appropriate fashion.
348
00:21:35,413 --> 00:21:37,210
-Well, we can go live now to Swansea
349
00:21:37,211 --> 00:21:39,026
and our chief reporter, Penny Roberts.
350
00:21:39,034 --> 00:21:40,619
Penny?
351
00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:41,860
-Thanks, Jane.
352
00:21:41,862 --> 00:21:43,274
Well, you join me at Cockett police station,
353
00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:44,825
which for the past 12 months
354
00:21:44,827 --> 00:21:47,717
has been the headquarters
of this murder investigation.
355
00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:50,654
Detectives have told us
that a 33-year-old woman
356
00:21:50,655 --> 00:21:54,305
and a 38-year-old man were
arrested on suspicion of murder.
357
00:21:56,241 --> 00:21:57,829
There was a knock on the door
358
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:59,337
at 10 to seven in the morning.
359
00:21:59,344 --> 00:22:02,550
And I went downstairs half
asleep and opened the door.
360
00:22:02,551 --> 00:22:04,341
And there was some officers there
361
00:22:04,344 --> 00:22:07,284
and told me I was being
arrested for the murders.
362
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,519
I wanted to scream at them,
363
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,787
"You know, you're making
a dreadful mistake here."
364
00:22:16,517 --> 00:22:19,067
I thought, "This isn't happening.
365
00:22:19,068 --> 00:22:21,588
After all this time, this isn't happening."
366
00:22:22,931 --> 00:22:25,241
Several police officers came into my bedroom.
367
00:22:29,034 --> 00:22:30,764
They took me out onto the landing.
368
00:22:32,793 --> 00:22:34,863
And when I looked into the bedroom,
369
00:22:37,413 --> 00:22:40,033
my daughters were on the bed, crying,
370
00:22:41,241 --> 00:22:43,001
holding onto each other, terrified.
371
00:22:45,448 --> 00:22:46,688
And I said,
372
00:22:46,689 --> 00:22:50,339
"Please don't do this
in front of my children."
373
00:22:51,793 --> 00:22:52,933
And they handcuffed me.
374
00:22:56,379 --> 00:22:57,899
And then they took me away.
375
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,309
Few miles away at Morriston police station,
376
00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:19,895
officers are on 24-hour guard.
377
00:23:19,896 --> 00:23:21,616
Alison Lewis is being held here
378
00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:23,588
and is being questioned in an interview room
379
00:23:23,589 --> 00:23:24,996
at the back of the building.
380
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,067
Was Alison Lewis a killer?
381
00:23:27,068 --> 00:23:29,168
Was her husband with her?
382
00:23:29,172 --> 00:23:31,102
Neighbors are still trying to come to terms
383
00:23:31,103 --> 00:23:32,523
with the news of the arrest.
384
00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:34,829
-I can't swallow it, love.
385
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:35,787
I'm awful sorry.
386
00:23:35,794 --> 00:23:37,343
I can't accept in my mind yet.
387
00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:39,004
-Everybody's innocent until proved guilty.
388
00:23:39,005 --> 00:23:40,309
But I just can't believe it.
389
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:41,790
She's such a nice girl.
390
00:23:45,896 --> 00:23:49,656
-The first day of interview,
I was the murderer.
391
00:23:51,931 --> 00:23:55,591
They kept telling me how I
was going to prison for life.
392
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,410
They kept telling me how
they had all this information,
393
00:23:59,413 --> 00:24:01,143
all this evidence against me.
394
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,309
They did everything they could
395
00:24:03,310 --> 00:24:07,830
to get me to admit to the murders.
396
00:24:10,344 --> 00:24:12,757
They thought that I'd made arrangements
397
00:24:12,758 --> 00:24:14,828
to go and see Mandy later that night.
398
00:24:22,241 --> 00:24:25,826
Did you indicate to Mandy
399
00:24:25,827 --> 00:24:28,857
that you would go to 9 Kelvin Road
400
00:24:28,862 --> 00:24:30,412
later that night?
401
00:24:30,413 --> 00:24:31,963
No.
402
00:24:31,965 --> 00:24:33,995
Or suggest that you
would go there for a meal?
403
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,660
-No.
-For instance, a curry?
404
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:37,480
No.
405
00:24:37,483 --> 00:24:39,653
-You didn't?
-No.
406
00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:40,515
Not at all.
407
00:24:43,413 --> 00:24:45,002
Were you open, yourself and Mandy,
408
00:24:45,003 --> 00:24:46,309
about your relationship?
409
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:49,619
I wasn't, but Mandy told people.
410
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:51,900
It was obviously a secret because of Stephen.
411
00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:58,716
Did her husband know about this?
412
00:25:00,551 --> 00:25:02,241
Did he get to find out about this?
413
00:25:03,310 --> 00:25:04,720
Did they talk about this?
414
00:25:07,241 --> 00:25:09,411
As your relationship with Mandy
415
00:25:09,413 --> 00:25:10,688
became more intense
416
00:25:10,689 --> 00:25:12,719
and you saw more and more of each other,
417
00:25:12,724 --> 00:25:14,274
how difficult was that for you
418
00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:16,445
to conceal then from Steve?
419
00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:19,478
Well, we were spending
a lot of time together,
420
00:25:19,482 --> 00:25:21,622
but I did my best to hide it from him.
421
00:25:22,758 --> 00:25:25,688
And to this day, I don't think he did know.
422
00:25:25,689 --> 00:25:27,969
People say to me, "He must have known,"
423
00:25:29,103 --> 00:25:31,143
but really he had no reason to.
424
00:25:35,931 --> 00:25:38,411
-He was devastated by, obviously, the arrest,
425
00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:41,447
and by the interviews
and what was put to him.
426
00:25:41,448 --> 00:25:43,067
He was under medication.
427
00:25:43,068 --> 00:25:44,828
He didn't eat for four days.
428
00:25:48,206 --> 00:25:50,136
He was in a sorry state, really.
429
00:25:50,137 --> 00:25:51,067
But you didn't think
430
00:25:51,068 --> 00:25:52,067
that sorry state was suspicious?
431
00:25:52,068 --> 00:25:52,928
-No.
432
00:25:58,862 --> 00:26:00,067
At any point,
433
00:26:00,068 --> 00:26:01,718
did you start to doubt Stephen?
434
00:26:02,758 --> 00:26:03,588
-No.
435
00:26:04,827 --> 00:26:06,205
No.
436
00:26:06,206 --> 00:26:07,716
I think they tried.
437
00:26:07,724 --> 00:26:10,826
Always, I think they tried
to make me think it was him.
438
00:26:10,827 --> 00:26:13,477
At one point, one of the
police officers said to me,
439
00:26:13,482 --> 00:26:16,342
"He's singing like a canary in there."
440
00:26:17,448 --> 00:26:20,968
And I thought myself, "About what?
441
00:26:22,068 --> 00:26:24,618
What is he singing like a canary about?"
442
00:26:27,689 --> 00:26:29,309
-People I know were saying,
443
00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:34,310
"Ah, look, they're gonna
protect these. Their own."
444
00:26:35,034 --> 00:26:36,550
How would it look
445
00:26:36,551 --> 00:26:39,619
"if police officers were
involved in this murder?"
446
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:41,688
You know, would they want to protect
447
00:26:41,689 --> 00:26:43,309
the name of South Wales Police?
448
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:45,240
Rubbish. Absolute not.
449
00:26:51,586 --> 00:26:53,446
-In the end. I said to them,
450
00:26:53,448 --> 00:26:57,928
"Please tell me you have got more than this.
451
00:26:57,931 --> 00:27:02,931
Please tell me that you
haven't ruined my life on this."
452
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,930
After all what the police
had been telling me,
453
00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:14,971
and they were now putting me out on bail.
454
00:27:18,172 --> 00:27:19,722
I think the pubs had closed
455
00:27:19,724 --> 00:27:22,243
and everyone descended
on Morriston police station.
456
00:27:22,244 --> 00:27:24,311
And that's all they wanted, was my blood.
457
00:27:25,724 --> 00:27:28,244
Baying, screaming, shouting mob.
458
00:27:33,482 --> 00:27:36,378
The police covered me with equipment
459
00:27:36,379 --> 00:27:39,069
and blankets and things.
460
00:27:43,344 --> 00:27:45,826
There was a driver and a passenger
461
00:27:45,827 --> 00:27:46,997
and the passenger was there,
462
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,100
and I heard him saying to the driver,
463
00:27:49,103 --> 00:27:51,826
"Whatever you do, don't stop.
464
00:27:51,827 --> 00:27:54,516
Doesn't matter what happens. You don't stop."
465
00:27:54,517 --> 00:27:56,237
And he was frightened.
466
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,721
I could hear the fear in his voice.
467
00:27:58,724 --> 00:28:02,067
And I remember lying on the floor of the car
468
00:28:02,068 --> 00:28:06,408
thinking, "I'm gonna die
here in the back of this car."
469
00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:09,756
And I won't be able to
prove that I'm innocent.
470
00:28:11,172 --> 00:28:15,516
"I won't be able to show
that I haven't done this."
471
00:28:15,517 --> 00:28:19,517
I really thought that I was gonna be killed.
472
00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:44,958
-Somebody's gonna have to tell the public.
473
00:28:44,965 --> 00:28:46,335
And that was me.
474
00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:48,585
I thought, "Yeah, that's my job."
475
00:28:48,586 --> 00:28:51,446
So, okay. No ifs or buts, I'll do it.
476
00:28:54,172 --> 00:28:56,792
And I put a suit on and I went to work.
477
00:29:00,172 --> 00:29:01,792
The press were there in full.
478
00:29:01,793 --> 00:29:02,833
I'd done it on my own
479
00:29:07,034 --> 00:29:10,834
and I decided to keep
it as short as possible.
480
00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:14,142
Okay. Thanks for coming along.
481
00:29:14,143 --> 00:29:14,997
Good afternoon.
482
00:29:17,517 --> 00:29:19,516
My statement on behalf of South Wales Police
483
00:29:19,517 --> 00:29:22,205
is simply this.
484
00:29:22,206 --> 00:29:23,756
A file of evidence has been submitted
485
00:29:23,758 --> 00:29:25,205
by South Wales Police
486
00:29:25,206 --> 00:29:27,616
to the Crown Prosecution Service.
487
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:30,410
Having examined the file of evidence,
488
00:29:31,793 --> 00:29:35,136
we've been informed that
there is insufficient evidence
489
00:29:35,137 --> 00:29:37,787
to mount a successful prosecution
490
00:29:37,793 --> 00:29:39,313
in connection with the murders.
491
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:45,861
The man and the woman
arrested, questioned, and bailed
492
00:29:45,862 --> 00:29:49,832
have now been released without charge.
493
00:29:52,206 --> 00:29:53,026
Thank you.
494
00:29:56,896 --> 00:29:58,406
-Bastards!
-Get it done!
495
00:29:58,413 --> 00:30:02,903
For four days and then release the bastard!
496
00:30:07,413 --> 00:30:10,826
-There is now a distinct sense
of unease and disappointment
497
00:30:10,827 --> 00:30:12,097
within this community
498
00:30:12,103 --> 00:30:15,213
that the killer or killers remain at large.
499
00:30:18,482 --> 00:30:19,762
-They were just looking for scapegoats.
500
00:30:19,763 --> 00:30:21,757
And I believe that I was
one of those scapegoats.
501
00:30:21,758 --> 00:30:22,618
I know I was.
502
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,450
There was never any
evidence because I'm innocent.
503
00:30:26,451 --> 00:30:28,828
I wasn't there. I didn't do it.
504
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,205
Why do you think they targeted you?
505
00:30:32,206 --> 00:30:33,996
-When the murders occurred,
506
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,660
myself and Mandy were having a relationship
507
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:40,309
and because it became public,
508
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:42,895
it was in the press, the newspapers.
509
00:30:42,896 --> 00:30:44,336
I believe that they thought
510
00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:47,004
the gay issue had something
to do with the crime.
511
00:30:47,005 --> 00:30:49,410
My life will never be the same again.
512
00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:51,003
It will never be the same again.
513
00:30:55,896 --> 00:30:57,896
Do you feel bad about the Lewises?
514
00:31:01,448 --> 00:31:02,378
-It was sad.
515
00:31:02,379 --> 00:31:03,379
It was sad it had to happen,
516
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:04,999
but it had to happen.
517
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,067
And sadly, in homicides investigations,
518
00:31:08,068 --> 00:31:09,518
there are casualties along the way,
519
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,337
and they were some of the casualties, sadly.
520
00:31:27,103 --> 00:31:30,240
-I want to put everything behind me.
521
00:31:30,241 --> 00:31:35,241
And one way of showing
the public once and for all
522
00:31:36,379 --> 00:31:40,205
that my family were totally innocent
523
00:31:40,206 --> 00:31:41,926
is me going back to work
524
00:31:41,931 --> 00:31:44,071
and being accepted back in work as well.
525
00:31:51,206 --> 00:31:53,476
-That is the E-fit that Nicola Williams did.
526
00:31:54,827 --> 00:31:56,067
Very good E-fit,
527
00:31:56,068 --> 00:32:00,658
very good likeness of Sergeant Stephen Lewis,
528
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,030
whose wife was having a
lesbian affair with Mandy Power.
529
00:32:07,517 --> 00:32:11,617
That E-fit is a photo, in effect, of him,
530
00:32:13,413 --> 00:32:14,763
but he wasn't the only one.
531
00:32:19,965 --> 00:32:21,025
Oh my God.
532
00:32:22,931 --> 00:32:26,240
This is a bizarre, bizarre case.
533
00:32:26,241 --> 00:32:29,031
He had an identical
twin brother, Stuart Lewis,
534
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:32,999
who happened to be the first senior officer
535
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,970
on the scene of the Clydach murders.
536
00:32:37,482 --> 00:32:39,102
You know, I mean, you couldn't make this up.
537
00:32:39,103 --> 00:32:41,483
It's like something from a play.
538
00:32:43,103 --> 00:32:43,973
Unbelievable.
539
00:32:53,896 --> 00:32:55,956
Around the time of the killings,
540
00:32:55,965 --> 00:33:00,685
Stuart Lewis, the identical
twin brother of Stephen Lewis,
541
00:33:00,689 --> 00:33:02,169
went missing.
542
00:33:06,206 --> 00:33:11,206
He was alone driving an unmarked police car,
543
00:33:11,965 --> 00:33:13,655
a red Peugeot diesel.
544
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:18,590
And witnesses spotted a car exactly like that
545
00:33:19,827 --> 00:33:21,307
on Kelvin Road.
546
00:33:25,068 --> 00:33:28,998
He went out on patrol, but
nobody knows where he went.
547
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,999
There's no record, no log
book. That went missing.
548
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,590
Nothing. Nothing.
549
00:33:39,241 --> 00:33:44,136
Stuart Lewis had actually
changed his shift pattern.
550
00:33:44,137 --> 00:33:47,277
So he was on duty that night
551
00:33:48,862 --> 00:33:53,592
because he had a christening
to go to the next day.
552
00:33:55,482 --> 00:34:00,522
And bizarrely, he was first
senior officer on the scene.
553
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,030
And he was there for a few minutes.
554
00:34:09,310 --> 00:34:10,960
Then, unbelievably,
555
00:34:10,965 --> 00:34:13,995
he didn't tell any of his
colleagues it was a murder.
556
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:16,720
He didn't look at the bodies,
557
00:34:16,724 --> 00:34:19,004
didn't register it officially on the computer
558
00:34:19,005 --> 00:34:20,520
as a murder inquiry.
559
00:34:22,931 --> 00:34:25,516
I mean, his friends in the force
560
00:34:25,517 --> 00:34:27,957
called him Inspector Perfect,
561
00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:30,095
because he was so meticulous
562
00:34:30,103 --> 00:34:32,585
and did everything by the book.
563
00:34:32,586 --> 00:34:36,966
So to behave in that manner is very odd.
564
00:34:39,068 --> 00:34:42,238
It made me doubt him.
565
00:34:52,172 --> 00:34:54,309
-I arrived at six o'clock.
566
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:55,310
I couldn't find the guy.
567
00:34:55,311 --> 00:34:56,691
I didn't know where he was.
568
00:34:58,517 --> 00:35:00,307
He was a competent officer.
569
00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:02,410
He should have dealt with this differently.
570
00:35:05,034 --> 00:35:06,622
The killer left by the back door.
571
00:35:06,623 --> 00:35:08,650
Therefore the back should have been secured,
572
00:35:08,655 --> 00:35:09,615
which it wasn't.
573
00:35:10,758 --> 00:35:13,067
I would've expected people not to be allowed
574
00:35:13,068 --> 00:35:14,308
to go into the scene.
575
00:35:15,344 --> 00:35:16,934
I think his behavior didn't help
576
00:35:16,935 --> 00:35:19,481
in the preservation of any forensic evidence.
577
00:35:23,724 --> 00:35:25,826
It may well be that he panicked,
578
00:35:25,827 --> 00:35:27,717
realizing that, "Hang on a minute",
579
00:35:28,896 --> 00:35:31,686
my twin brother's wife
is having a relationship
580
00:35:31,689 --> 00:35:32,859
with that victim.
581
00:35:32,862 --> 00:35:34,378
"What does that mean?"
582
00:35:34,379 --> 00:35:35,929
I don't know. I don't know why.
583
00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:43,144
I passed this on to professional
standards department.
584
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,650
The internal inquiry certainly suggested
585
00:35:47,655 --> 00:35:50,205
he had a case to answer for misconduct
586
00:35:50,206 --> 00:35:51,476
because he didn't do at the scene
587
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:52,722
what he should have done.
588
00:35:55,896 --> 00:35:56,996
-In nearby Alltwern,
589
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,067
the home of inspector Stuart Lewis,
590
00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:01,205
an officer with 20 years service,
591
00:36:01,206 --> 00:36:04,236
forensic teams have been
carrying out extensive searches.
592
00:36:07,344 --> 00:36:09,999
-Armed with the information that we had,
593
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,999
I decided then Stuart should be arrested
594
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,270
for perverting the course of justice.
595
00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:24,240
-Stuart Lewis was never
questioned by the police
596
00:36:24,241 --> 00:36:26,271
as a murder suspect.
597
00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:27,715
Only we did that.
598
00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:36,205
We had to use subterfuge, you know,
599
00:36:36,206 --> 00:36:39,516
secret filming in order to get him on camera.
600
00:36:43,517 --> 00:36:44,787
I've interviewed a lot of people
601
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:47,999
in very difficult circumstances.
602
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,309
And Stuart Lewis, the interview with him
603
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:55,830
was one of the most odd I've experienced.
604
00:36:58,517 --> 00:37:02,517
I felt on edge and I know my
producer felt on edge as well.
605
00:37:04,413 --> 00:37:07,826
I wanted to show him the E-fit of the man
606
00:37:07,827 --> 00:37:10,067
who was seen by Nicola Williams,
607
00:37:10,068 --> 00:37:12,308
who was a dead ringer for him
608
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:14,280
or his identical twin brother.
609
00:37:15,896 --> 00:37:16,786
Now that,
610
00:37:18,965 --> 00:37:21,335
I mean, that is a very good likeness
611
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:25,447
of Stephen, your twin brother, or you.
612
00:37:25,448 --> 00:37:26,928
-When I saw that, I thought,
613
00:37:26,931 --> 00:37:29,690
"Jesus Christ, you know,
that's an amazing portrait."
614
00:37:29,691 --> 00:37:31,619
And the question you should be asking is,
615
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:33,999
why wasn't anything done about that?
616
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,480
When I saw it, I was amazed.
617
00:37:35,482 --> 00:37:37,760
Well, we're asking those questions as well.
618
00:37:37,761 --> 00:37:39,998
Believe me, we're asking
those questions as well.
619
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,270
Why weren't you put on an identity program?
620
00:37:42,275 --> 00:37:44,925
-Within seven days.
621
00:37:44,931 --> 00:37:46,791
-The point is, if that existed anywhere,
622
00:37:46,793 --> 00:37:47,903
even Stephen would say it.
623
00:37:47,904 --> 00:37:49,516
"The two of us shouldn't be involved."
624
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:50,787
-Yeah, yeah.
-"We shouldn't be."
625
00:37:50,793 --> 00:37:52,688
Nobody had ever said that
626
00:37:52,689 --> 00:37:55,209
I'm responsible for the murders.
627
00:37:56,724 --> 00:37:58,214
-It suddenly dawned on him,
628
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:03,520
"Am I being questioned
here as a murder suspect?"
629
00:38:05,482 --> 00:38:07,832
When he realized this, he left.
630
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,340
Went to toilet, never came back again.
631
00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:26,028
Nicola Williams had no reason to lie.
632
00:38:26,034 --> 00:38:31,034
And she saw a person going
up the road towards Kelvin Road.
633
00:38:32,241 --> 00:38:34,521
She looked at him and he looked back at her.
634
00:38:35,655 --> 00:38:38,095
And one of the reasons she looked at him
635
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,895
was 'cause she actually thought,
636
00:38:40,896 --> 00:38:43,446
"Well, actually, he's quite fit.
637
00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:45,588
I quite fancy him."
638
00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:49,377
So I mean, they had everything.
639
00:38:51,344 --> 00:38:54,144
They had everything on a plate.
640
00:38:56,517 --> 00:38:58,897
-I think it would be dangerous for me to say
641
00:38:58,898 --> 00:39:00,756
that looked like Stuart Lewis,
642
00:39:00,758 --> 00:39:02,897
but I mean, people got to
make their own minds up
643
00:39:02,898 --> 00:39:04,516
when they look at an E-fit
644
00:39:04,517 --> 00:39:08,407
and they make up their own
minds as to who it resembles.
645
00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:10,622
It looks like Stephen Lewis or Stuart Lewis.
646
00:39:10,623 --> 00:39:12,309
-Could very well do to a lot of people.
647
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:13,688
Absolutely.
648
00:39:13,689 --> 00:39:14,895
But I always say,
649
00:39:14,896 --> 00:39:17,895
and I'm not saying this to protect anyone
650
00:39:17,896 --> 00:39:20,236
or certainly not to protect the Lewises,
651
00:39:20,241 --> 00:39:25,241
caution has to be exercised
when you look at E-fits.
652
00:39:28,172 --> 00:39:30,140
Did you ever believe that Stuart Lewis
653
00:39:30,141 --> 00:39:31,547
was involved in these murders?
654
00:39:31,551 --> 00:39:33,550
-Well, there was evidence to suggest
655
00:39:33,551 --> 00:39:35,721
that there were two series of fires.
656
00:39:37,068 --> 00:39:40,138
One fire had started
probably half past 12, 1:00-ish.
657
00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,412
And subsequently, somebody
returned to the scene
658
00:39:44,413 --> 00:39:46,243
and started a second series of fire.
659
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:49,173
And when the second fire was started,
660
00:39:49,174 --> 00:39:52,447
Stuart Lewis was in a carpet shop
661
00:39:52,448 --> 00:39:54,788
where a police dog had bitten somebody.
662
00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:57,553
So he could not have
been in Clydach at that time.
663
00:40:02,517 --> 00:40:04,136
The CPS reviewed the file
664
00:40:04,137 --> 00:40:07,067
and decided that Stuart Lewis
didn't have a case to answer
665
00:40:07,068 --> 00:40:08,968
for perverting the course of justice.
666
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,930
What do you say to people
667
00:40:22,931 --> 00:40:24,341
who believe that you didn't investigate
668
00:40:24,344 --> 00:40:25,826
the Lewises thoroughly
669
00:40:25,827 --> 00:40:26,997
and protected your own?
670
00:40:28,551 --> 00:40:31,101
-Well, I think it's an insult to say
671
00:40:31,103 --> 00:40:33,447
that the Lewises weren't investigated.
672
00:40:33,448 --> 00:40:36,338
Every aspect of their life was looked at,
673
00:40:36,344 --> 00:40:37,553
every movement of theirs.
674
00:40:37,554 --> 00:40:39,380
The phone records, everything was checked.
675
00:40:39,381 --> 00:40:41,969
I left no stone unturned
in relation to the Lewises.
676
00:40:44,931 --> 00:40:47,171
-To protect people,
677
00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:50,032
whether a police officer or anybody else,
678
00:40:50,034 --> 00:40:53,694
is abhorrent, is absolutely a no-go.
679
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,790
God.
680
00:40:57,172 --> 00:41:01,412
The thought of it sends shivers
through my body even now.
681
00:41:03,827 --> 00:41:05,657
-They should have done a better job.
682
00:41:09,448 --> 00:41:12,998
I looked each and every one
of those detectives in the eye.
683
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,070
I told them, no.
684
00:41:17,931 --> 00:41:19,001
I wasn't the murderer.
685
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,410
Their job was to find the truth,
686
00:41:23,413 --> 00:41:28,413
not to arrest us on half truths
and on rumors and gossip.
687
00:41:30,517 --> 00:41:33,307
I can't see how somebody
can walk into a house,
688
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:35,070
a normal house in a normal village,
689
00:41:35,071 --> 00:41:37,338
and commit these crimes and walk away.
690
00:41:37,344 --> 00:41:40,144
And still, 18 months later,
we are in the same position.
691
00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:45,067
-We just got to keep our
confidence in the police
692
00:41:45,068 --> 00:41:49,788
and we know that they will
sort things out eventually.
693
00:41:49,793 --> 00:41:53,861
And whoever did this terrible crime
694
00:41:53,862 --> 00:41:55,832
will be brought to justice.
695
00:42:03,413 --> 00:42:04,343
-"Oh, here we go.
696
00:42:04,345 --> 00:42:06,585
We start all over again."
697
00:42:06,586 --> 00:42:08,066
I think there was words to that effect.
698
00:42:08,068 --> 00:42:09,548
"Where do we go from here?"
699
00:42:09,551 --> 00:42:11,281
I mean, that's a classic, isn't it?
700
00:42:12,413 --> 00:42:14,313
-I suppose I was quite a dogged individual.
701
00:42:14,314 --> 00:42:17,140
I was unwilling to let the bone go
702
00:42:18,034 --> 00:42:19,792
and I'd always explore issues
703
00:42:19,793 --> 00:42:21,313
and go through one door
704
00:42:21,314 --> 00:42:23,585
then through another door to another door
705
00:42:23,586 --> 00:42:25,276
to hopefully get the final answer.
706
00:42:27,482 --> 00:42:30,826
-You discovered at the scene of the murders,
707
00:42:30,827 --> 00:42:33,447
this is identical to it, a chain like this.
708
00:42:33,448 --> 00:42:35,548
It's gold. Tell us about
it and its significance.
709
00:42:35,551 --> 00:42:36,861
-It's a solid gold chain.
710
00:42:36,862 --> 00:42:39,032
It's manufactured in 1989.
711
00:42:39,034 --> 00:42:42,550
It was bought from places like Argos.
712
00:42:42,551 --> 00:42:46,205
It sold for just under 300 pound in 1989.
713
00:42:46,206 --> 00:42:47,476
And I've been interested to know
714
00:42:47,482 --> 00:42:49,962
who actually has got a necklace like that
715
00:42:49,965 --> 00:42:52,755
and has not had it since-
-Saturday, the 26th of June.
716
00:42:52,758 --> 00:42:53,828
That's right.
717
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,030
-The night of the murders,
718
00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:03,382
he was wearing the
chain on the Saturday night
719
00:43:03,383 --> 00:43:04,379
in the new inn.
720
00:43:07,517 --> 00:43:09,717
Everybody was convinced he was the murderer.
721
00:43:12,413 --> 00:43:16,171
What made them so persistent in the belief,
722
00:43:16,172 --> 00:43:18,932
the false belief that the
Lewises were involved?
723
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,340
They seemed to be fascinated
about the lesbian relationship.
724
00:43:24,344 --> 00:43:27,974
And I think the police were
sidetracked on that issue.
725
00:43:48,448 --> 00:43:51,205
There's a good view of Clydach here.
726
00:43:51,206 --> 00:43:55,406
Where we can see two
fir trees at the back there,
727
00:43:55,413 --> 00:43:59,619
that's approximately where
Kelvin Road, Clydach is.
728
00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:02,270
And it's a secluded walk, mostly.
729
00:44:02,275 --> 00:44:03,785
There'd be no witnesses.
730
00:44:07,344 --> 00:44:09,792
A newcomer, Mr. David Morris,
731
00:44:09,793 --> 00:44:12,143
was living in the village.
732
00:44:13,724 --> 00:44:18,724
There were allegations of
dangerous driving, drugs.
733
00:44:21,068 --> 00:44:25,478
Things like this are known
to all, the whole of a village.
734
00:44:28,724 --> 00:44:33,484
Di Morris was living in
this flat here, number 85,
735
00:44:36,034 --> 00:44:37,585
in a council flat
736
00:44:37,586 --> 00:44:40,996
which was tenanted to a Mrs. Mandy Jewell.
737
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,000
He'd moved in with her as her partner.
738
00:44:45,172 --> 00:44:47,447
And after the murders,
739
00:44:47,448 --> 00:44:49,826
it became quite a common practice
740
00:44:49,827 --> 00:44:51,585
with some of the villagers,
741
00:44:51,586 --> 00:44:53,266
if you were talking to them on the road
742
00:44:53,275 --> 00:44:55,305
and Morris came along,
743
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:57,585
people would say quietly to you,
744
00:44:57,586 --> 00:44:59,996
"Look, here comes Di, the murderer."
745
00:45:03,379 --> 00:45:04,829
I've got a dossier in my hands here
746
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,307
that concerns David Morris.
747
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:11,895
And what was coming
to my hearing at the time,
748
00:45:11,896 --> 00:45:13,306
it's very serious.
749
00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:17,380
It was submitted two days
after the murders to the police.
750
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:20,100
One of the key points was that
751
00:45:20,103 --> 00:45:24,378
he was known to be a weapons man,
752
00:45:24,379 --> 00:45:27,099
not a fist man, a weapons man.
753
00:45:29,103 --> 00:45:32,619
Now, point one, record of violence.
754
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:36,895
Point two, when violent, he becomes frenzied.
755
00:45:36,896 --> 00:45:40,896
Point three, when not
violent, he can be very cool.
756
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:47,070
Four, he and his partner
knew all the victims personally,
757
00:45:48,034 --> 00:45:49,594
very well.
758
00:45:57,586 --> 00:45:59,136
-In Doris' bedroom,
759
00:45:59,137 --> 00:46:02,237
directly under where Mandy's body was,
760
00:46:02,241 --> 00:46:03,621
was found a gold chain.
761
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,826
Where this chain was was really significant,
762
00:46:07,827 --> 00:46:09,717
indicating it had been pulled from somebody
763
00:46:09,724 --> 00:46:12,654
and was now lying soaked in blood
764
00:46:12,655 --> 00:46:13,995
where she'd been murdered.
765
00:46:18,310 --> 00:46:20,895
The forensic scientist picked it up,
766
00:46:20,896 --> 00:46:22,376
preserved it,
767
00:46:22,379 --> 00:46:23,930
and then took it to the
forensic science authority
768
00:46:23,931 --> 00:46:24,931
to be examined.
769
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,210
-There's no question that
gold chain was important.
770
00:46:30,211 --> 00:46:31,786
Absolutely no question.
771
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:36,480
It was both broken and had blood on it.
772
00:46:36,482 --> 00:46:39,067
Now you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes
773
00:46:39,068 --> 00:46:40,168
to put two and two together
774
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:41,792
to suggest this is probably
775
00:46:41,793 --> 00:46:43,623
a very, very important clue.
776
00:46:45,758 --> 00:46:49,205
-What happened, there
was an off-duty police officer
777
00:46:49,206 --> 00:46:51,406
had gone to a skittle match
778
00:46:51,413 --> 00:46:54,999
and the opposing team found out
779
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,930
that she was a police officer.
780
00:46:57,931 --> 00:46:59,378
And they said,
781
00:46:59,379 --> 00:47:00,241
"You think we'll ever
solve this terrible case,
782
00:47:00,242 --> 00:47:01,652
this Clydach case?"
783
00:47:01,655 --> 00:47:02,585
And she said,
784
00:47:02,587 --> 00:47:03,757
"Well, yeah, I suppose we will,
785
00:47:03,758 --> 00:47:05,518
if we find out whose chain it is."
786
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:06,717
And then the witness said,
787
00:47:06,724 --> 00:47:08,454
"Well, that chain belongs to Di Morris."
788
00:47:12,862 --> 00:47:13,972
That's how it started.
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