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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,840 So here's the school off to our right. 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,040 If you look through there, you can see the auditorium. 3 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,680 We would rehearse in one of these permanent buildings. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,200 So I went to Chatsworth High School with Kevin. 5 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,480 I got involved with the drama club. 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,480 The actor with an outsized reputation 7 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,560 was Kevin Fowler. 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,240 Everybody seemed to like him, 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,080 as well as recognise how good of an actor he was. 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,640 He was already planning to be successful 11 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,400 at that age, in high school. 12 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,800 He was going to adopt his middle name as his last name, 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,240 his middle name, Spacey. 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,680 His personality was often inspiring. 15 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,920 Jumping and yelling and stamping 16 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:15,560 and also just goofing off with us. 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,320 I was a kid who didn't focus very well. 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,560 I wasn't really all that academic. 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,960 I didn't really care that much about classes. 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,040 I was a bit disruptive, I was the class clown. 21 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,480 I would have been 16,17 at the time 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,560 and, uh...Kevin was a year ahead. 23 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,240 My interest was in girls, 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,840 and anything theatre-related was just really exciting for me. 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Taking pictures was my way of capturing the moment. 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,680 The people. 27 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Kevin here pretending he's going to choke me to death 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,680 for continuing to take pictures. 29 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,960 "Ah, Greg, you're so weird. 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,560 "I've really watched you grow as a person and a performer. 31 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,680 "My, you have 'come out'! 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,400 "I wish you all the luck in the world. 33 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,400 "You're a pretty strange guy but cool. 34 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,760 "Stay good! 35 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,120 "Always, Kevin Fowler." 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,840 I don't recall if he wrote this in my yearbook, um... 37 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,280 ..before the incident in the car or after. 38 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,440 We were having a drama party at one of the student's houses, 39 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,080 and Kevin asked for a ride. 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,560 So I had a car. 41 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:48,240 Pick him up, and we headed over to the party. 42 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,480 And on the way to the party... 43 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,160 ..he made a physical advance in the car, 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,200 which was extremely uncomfortable. 45 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,400 I'm driving. 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,800 And he's in the passenger seat, 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,840 reaching over...to get a feel. 48 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,000 He grabbed my genitals. 49 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,120 Definitely with... with intention and with purpose. 50 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Just...shock and surprise and... 51 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,160 I was, in a sense, trapped. 52 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 It was a very aggressive sexual move 53 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,800 for that age group. 54 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,400 There was no consent, 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,000 as we ask for today or as we...expect today. 56 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,440 I had no idea that he was 57 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,680 interested in me sexually or... 58 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,480 ..anything other than just as another theatre kid, 59 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,120 like he was. 60 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Later on in the evening at the party, 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,200 he then cornered me, pleading to not... 62 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,200 ..mention what had happened in the car to anyone. 63 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,960 At that age in Chatsworth, 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,800 it was not accepted to be outwardly...gay. 65 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,960 It was not a common thing or an accepted thing. 66 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,120 He was planning to move away, to pursue acting, 67 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,400 so I didn't think I would ever see him again 68 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,880 after that school year anyway, 69 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,000 so there was no need to drag his name through any scandal. 70 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,480 I told him I wouldn't, 71 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 just to not, you know, do anything else. 72 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,760 And he didn't. 73 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,880 The Hollywood star Kevin Spacey 74 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,760 is found not guilty of sexually assaulting four men. 75 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,600 The actor broke down in tears 76 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,440 as he was cleared of all nine charges. 77 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,360 I would like to say 78 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,000 that I'm enormously grateful to the jury 79 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,880 for having taken the time to examine all of the evidence, 80 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,520 and I am humbled by the outcome today. 81 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,320 The star leaves court an innocent man. 82 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,480 he will hope he can resume a career that reached the highest levels. 83 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,240 He just had these real dead eyes looking at me, 84 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:52,640 and I just felt like I was staring into, like, a soulless monster. 85 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,680 It was cold in a way that almost was inhuman. 86 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,400 Your first reaction is not violence. 87 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,640 You feel like you brought it on to yourself and you feel shame. 88 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 It was all about, "I can do this. 89 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 "I can do this to you, I'm Kevin Spacey." 90 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,360 Now, we've become accustomed to Hollywood stars 91 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,600 coming over here to tread the boards. 92 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,760 Well, the Oscar-winning actor Kevin Spacey 93 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,400 has taken his love affair with the British theatre one stage further. 94 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,160 To find myself in the role of director of the Old Vic 95 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,240 is beyond my wildest imaginings. 96 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,920 The Old Vic was on its last legs, 97 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,560 but then when Kevin came on board, it became the place to be. 98 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,000 He was the...cash cow, if you like. 99 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,640 The true test is whether he can get the punters through the doors 100 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,280 and earn this place the money it so desperately needs. 101 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Holes in the roof mean the audience has to dodge the rain. 102 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,920 Who's going to buy, you know, a ยฃ25,000 ticket at a gala 103 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,640 to come and sit at the Old Vic, 104 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,200 unless...there is the opportunity 105 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 to be near the lustre of this Hollywood star? 106 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,000 I sort of got to the end of, you know, '99, 107 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,280 American Beauty had come out, 108 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,560 and I was like, "Well, that kind of went better than I could have hoped. 109 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,920 "Now what am I supposed to do?" 110 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,920 And I just thought, "No, I think I want another dream." 111 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,640 When I first arrived at the Old Vic, 112 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,120 I was very excited to see him onstage 113 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,080 and learn from someone who was, you know, very talented. 114 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,720 He just had stage presence like no other person. 115 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 He knew how to manipulate his audience, 116 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,240 to, you know, kind of almost have them under his spell. 117 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,520 It was a dream, you know - 118 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,280 it was a dream for the Old Vic, a dream for everybody. 119 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Listen, I wasn't doing anything glamorous. 120 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,680 I was selling ice creams, I was helping people get to their seats. 121 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,840 And during this time, 122 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,040 there was a pantomime going on called Cinderella. 123 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,240 It was a very family atmosphere, 124 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,880 but it was a really, really great show. 125 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,560 I was working in the stalls, 126 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,240 on the right-hand side. 127 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,920 It was my job to guard the door to check who was coming in. 128 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:04,560 And so he'd come back into the stalls and just watch 129 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,840 and then all of a sudden... 130 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,000 ..he, like... 131 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,480 ..had somehow wedged his whole body 132 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,680 inside this tiny little gap, like right here. 133 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,360 I didn't even know you could fit a person in this little gap, 134 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,480 because it really was just a kind of a cove where the usher would sit. 135 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,760 And I remember just, like, moving, like, slightly over, 136 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,520 thinking, "Oh, maybe he doesn't realise how much gap there is." 137 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,480 You just see the brightness of the stage, 138 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,320 and everything is very, very dark. 139 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,200 But then... 140 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,480 And because of where I was sitting, and he was standing... 141 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,560 ..I felt like his whole groin push on my face. 142 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,240 There's someone that I had tremendous respect for, 143 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,960 and he was pushing his groin on my face 144 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,400 during whilst I was working. 145 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,960 Whilst the pantomime was going on with families and children. 146 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,400 And I could...smell him. 147 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,880 I could feel him getting pleasure by it. 148 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,880 I froze just in a way that I... I couldn't move. 149 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,240 And I just... 150 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,040 ..felt so small. 151 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,000 I started to get, like, scared of coming to work. 152 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,920 "Is it going to happen again today?" 153 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,760 He had this, like, look of intent now with me 154 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,720 since that incident that still kind of haunts me, 155 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,120 like...like he owned part of me. 156 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,120 There was continual moments where... 157 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,280 ..he would, like, touch me, like, from behind 158 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,440 or brush himself across me in a way that was completely uninvited. 159 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,600 I remember, like, a pressing, 160 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:13,160 a form of, like, something, like, going inside of my trousers 161 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,440 and just being like jolted, like perked. 162 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,160 And I remember it getting closer and closer and more intimate 163 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,200 and like... 164 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,480 Oh, God, I mean... 165 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,960 I just thought, "What have I done to deserve this, you know? 166 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,680 "How can you get on that stage? 167 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,720 "How can you sleep at night?" 168 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Oh, it's just... 169 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,680 It's such an invasion of... 170 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,240 ..a human being. 171 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,800 I just felt like a piece of meat. 172 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,640 There was no relationship. 173 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,400 It was all about, "I can do this. 174 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,840 "I can do this to you, I'm Kevin Spacey." 175 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,440 Please say hello to Kevin Spacey! 176 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,960 How long have you been in London now? 177 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,920 I moved there in 2003. 178 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,320 Not only have they welcomed you over there, 179 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,840 but the royal family, they gave you a necklace? 180 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,080 Yeah. 181 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,600 Yeah. It's a... 182 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,440 What medal is this? This is a... 183 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,040 It's a little royal bling. 184 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Yeah! 185 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,560 And what it's called, is it's called a CBE... 186 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,000 CBE. ..which is an honorary knighthood. 187 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,440 It's actually... It's rather nice. 188 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,440 To see on Jimmy Kimmel 189 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,360 that he had received an award from the royal family 190 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,440 for his services to British theatre, it really hurt. 191 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,640 I think we can't underestimate the power he has and had, 192 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,800 and I think that was a moment when I knew I couldn't speak up. 193 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,120 Good morning, everyone. How is everyone? How are you? 194 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,960 Let's just keep moving around, 195 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,280 and we might do an exercise that I rather like... 196 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Central to his artistic mission at the Old Vic 197 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,640 is his commitment to developing new audiences and emerging talent 198 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,360 through the Old Vic's New Voices programme. 199 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,560 It was about sending the elevator back down, 200 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,040 and I always loved that saying, 201 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,400 that's why it's still burned into my memory. 202 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,480 If you've done well in the business you wanted to do well in, 203 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:34,800 if you've been successful, 204 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,960 then it's your obligation to spend a good portion of your time 205 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,600 sending the elevator back down. 206 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,920 He would say it in interviews and all sorts of promotion material. 207 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,720 That was the philosophy that the great Jack Lemmon passed down to me. 208 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,880 I'll never forget when I was just 13, 209 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,280 I got the chance to do a workshop with Mr Lemmon, 210 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,400 and after I did a scene, he walked up to me, 211 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,560 he put his hand on my shoulder, 212 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,400 and he said, "That was a touch of terrific." 213 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,960 And it was really the beginning of discovering my own potential. 214 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,480 We were aiming at young people aged 18 to 26. 215 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,280 Welcome to the fourth year 216 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,000 of the Old Vic New Voices 24 Hour Plays Gala. 217 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,680 He was always, you know, giving good advice, 218 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,640 and they were always so starry-eyed and wide-eyed. 219 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,880 They were like puppy dogs, you know, 220 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,040 drinking from the fountain of, you know, knowledge. 221 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,360 We're all big fans of Kevin, cos we all, 222 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,520 most of us go to Julliard, where Kevin went long ago. 223 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,400 It's really great, cos we're front row right now 224 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,360 and we can touch him if we wanted to. 225 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,160 Anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody, don't be shy. 226 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,680 It's always interesting when I'm in a workshop, 227 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,080 and I'm always looking for the shy kid in the corner, 228 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,760 because that was me when I grew up 229 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,840 and I started doing these kinds of workshops. Yeah. 230 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,240 We're invited to go and do a workshop 231 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 with Kevin at the Old Vic. 232 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,800 It's amazing. 233 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,000 We're standing on the stage, 234 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,280 and we're with Kevin Spacey, 235 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,440 and there's this feeling 236 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,640 of anything's possible in those moments, 237 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,800 because you're rubbing shoulders with such success. 238 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,000 We sat down on the floor in a circle all together first. 239 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,240 "Say your name and something about yourself" sort of thing. 240 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,960 And I was leant back like this, 241 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,400 and the first thing I can recall happening 242 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,000 is that Kevin put his hand on my hand. 243 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,280 Then we all got up 244 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 and started taking it in turns to do the scene work. 245 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,200 And the thing I remember about that particular moment 246 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,040 is seeing him look like he was interested in the scenes, 247 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,400 but actually he was sort of just working his way around the room, 248 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,320 putting his arm around 249 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,440 what seems to be the most handsome guys in the space. 250 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,360 One of them he hugged quite aggressively. 251 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,480 And then a little bit more time goes on, 252 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,960 and it's my turn to do my scene. 253 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,040 And then Kevin came right into my personal space, 254 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,720 and I remember being held by... by him, both my arms were held, 255 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,440 and he whispered, in my ear, something along the lines of... 256 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,240 "You don't give a fuck about what she has to say. 257 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,680 "You just want to fuck her in the ass." 258 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,120 I just felt his body up against my body. 259 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,680 I think his penis was against my leg. 260 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,880 I mean, it's...it's horrible. 261 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,080 The cynical part of my brain says that 262 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,840 we were all invited under false pretences 263 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,400 to do a scene study on... 264 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,640 ..the play they were doing, 265 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,040 but actually he was just there deciding who he'd like to... 266 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,840 ..to flirt with next. 267 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,360 This is more than a job, 268 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,520 because I'm finally doing something that is outside of my own career 269 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,960 and bigger than myself, 270 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,880 and I'm able to see the effects it has on people's lives 271 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,560 every single day. 272 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,800 So I was in my fourth year at school 273 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,000 where he came in to do a workshop 274 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,400 on Shakespeare monologues. 275 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,720 It was huge, I was thrilled, 276 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,040 and I wanted him to think that I was good. 277 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,280 He came over to me, encouraging me and saying, 278 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,640 he said, "Well, if you ever want to 279 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,360 "work on any of your audition material, 280 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,080 "we could do that." 281 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:45,360 It struck me as such an extraordinary offer. 282 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,840 He was trying to find a way for us to meet up. 283 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,880 And I said, "Oh, I'm going to see 284 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,680 "the third year performing their Shakespeare, 285 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,320 "so I can't." 286 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,840 And he said, "Well, we can go together." 287 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,240 So, you know, we're in this dark theatre together. 288 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,400 He would just very casually but frequently 289 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,080 lean over to me next to him 290 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:14,120 and sort of whisper in my ear, very close, 291 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,000 frequent enough and close enough 292 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,280 and lingering enough that... it was pretty clear. 293 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,320 And then if that wasn't clear, 294 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,960 him putting his hand on my thigh and my intimate... 295 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,800 the inner part of my thigh... was crystal clear. 296 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,680 I felt this was about pursuit and sex. 297 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,600 It brought up all kinds of those emotions of guilt and shame, 298 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,760 and somehow I let this happen, 299 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,000 and that those feelings sort of supplant 300 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:55,320 or kind of grow overtop of thinking he should be ashamed. 301 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,160 It was about a six-month period 302 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,640 where I would say, every couple of weeks or so, 303 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,160 I would get voicemails. 304 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,840 He was running the Old Vic at the time, 305 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,880 so he wasn't always around. 306 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,040 "Hey, I'm in town and I've got this party. 307 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,080 "Hey, I'm in town, and I'm going to this premiere. 308 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:17,600 "Hey, I'm in town and I'm staying at this hotel with tennis courts, 309 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,840 "and we could play and have a steam in the steam bath afterwards." 310 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,640 I don't want this. 311 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,840 I'm not interested in this, I'm creeped out by this. 312 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,560 But he's still this person 313 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,200 who has power and influence 314 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,720 and who was literally my teacher last week. 315 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:39,840 It's really hard 316 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,040 to feel as though you can say no to that person, 317 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,080 if he's willing and interested 318 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,320 in exploiting that kind of power position 319 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,480 for, you know, his own desires. 320 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,400 I just don't think that's...right. 321 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,680 And this is Kevin, my brother, 322 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,040 and we were both just standing there looking off into the distance. 323 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,000 We just seemed to have bonded so closely. 324 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,800 For so many years, we were close. 325 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,560 But as soon as you introduced our parents into the formula, 326 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:42,480 the dynamics just became... stifling, squished. 327 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,680 I think what happened to us, how we drifted apart, 328 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,160 it makes me sad. 329 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,800 In 1969... 330 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,520 ..it was the summer, that's when it first started. 331 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,800 My father took me up to the master bedroom... 332 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,520 ..and raped me. 333 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,480 He sodomised me, he gave me oral sex. 334 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,800 I was screaming for my mother. 335 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,080 And my mother came upstairs, 336 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,240 and the bedroom door was locked. 337 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,920 She goes, "What's going on in there?" 338 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,840 My mother's banging on the door, and my father... 339 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,280 ..put his arm up against my neck and threw me against the wall 340 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,560 and says, "Don't say a word." 341 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,880 And then all of a sudden, there was silence, 342 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,800 and she just walked away. 343 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,480 I was only 13, 14 years old. 344 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,880 This kind of nonsense went on for years, 345 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:00,080 and it wasn't until 1971 I just said, 346 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,600 "No. 347 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,440 "This has to stop now." 348 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,640 And I threatened him. 349 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,920 And I said, "If you ever lay a hand on Kevin, 350 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,200 "I'm going to tell mother." 351 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,120 And that was the last sexual abuse. 352 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,080 When I moved out in 1975, 353 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,000 I kind of felt guilty, 354 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480 but I couldn't take it any longer. 355 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,040 "What about Kevin? 356 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,040 "What's going to happen to my little brother?" 357 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,240 But then I started thinking about it, 358 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,880 realising that how close my mother was to Kevin, 359 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,520 that I thought that she would protect him. 360 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,640 I just had to take a chance that he would be OK. 361 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,520 But just because he wasn't being abused 362 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,440 doesn't mean that there wasn't psychological trauma 363 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:04,520 going on within him from the strange family life we had. 364 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,280 It is only in the theatre experience that you can create families 365 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,840 and really lasting relationships. 366 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,160 So having moved to London, 367 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,160 the Old Vic, it's the best job I've ever had, 368 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,000 cos I get to bring people together and be a part of creating a family. 369 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,800 I wanted to be the best in the world. 370 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,400 I got an agent, 371 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,320 and then I had an audition for World War Z 372 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:43,920 with Brad Pitt. 373 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,080 Stay close. 374 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,680 I'm the guy with the gun! 375 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,880 Nice little close-up. 376 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,400 I got a call from my agent, 377 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,040 and it was an offer for Sweet Bird Of Youth at the Old Vic in London. 378 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,760 There's not many gigs in Theatreland 379 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,600 that are better than a summer show at the Old Vic, 380 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,240 so I just put everything into it. 381 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080 And being the youngest in a cast like that, 382 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,120 the pressure that I put on myself. 383 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,360 "Don't fuck this up. 384 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,160 "Do a really good job and you might get to do this again 385 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,640 "in a Kevin Spacey show at the Old Vic." 386 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,920 Everything is building up to that press night, 387 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,720 as close as you can get to a Hollywood premiere. 388 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,600 So I go over to my dressing room, 389 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000 and there's a knock at the door. 390 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000 Kevin's assistant comes in and says, 391 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,200 "Ruari, this is from Kevin." 392 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,600 And I opened the box, and it had a little card from Kevin, 393 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,880 and it said, "Ruari - Happy Opening! K." 394 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,080 And a gift. 395 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,600 I don't know how much it costs, 396 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:03,600 but it's an original poster of Sweet Bird Of Youth. 397 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,400 And there was a real silence in the room. 398 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,080 I felt a little bit embarrassed, if I'm being honest. 399 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,160 So show finishes, 400 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,880 and there's immediately the press night after-party. 401 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,680 We made our way down to the Savoy. 402 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,720 When you walk in, on your left, 403 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,280 you have the nation's photographers from every newspaper, 404 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,440 getting photographs of people, 405 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,320 and there's people standing there from the cast, 406 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,440 famous people who had been invited to the press night. 407 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,040 And I see Kevin. 408 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,520 And so I did what I felt like I had to do. 409 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,600 I walked up to him, and I put my hand out, 410 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,520 and I said, "Thank you so much for the gift, Kevin." 411 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:05,360 And...he pulled me in very close with his right hand... 412 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,400 ..and sort of turned me 45 degrees. 413 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,880 Now, I don't know that that was to hide from the cameras, 414 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,360 but I can only assume that was what he was trying to do. 415 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,680 And he put his left hand down by my... 416 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,240 ..my-my bum. 417 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,560 And he stuck his middle finger 418 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,800 as far up...me as possible. 419 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,560 Erm... 420 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,040 I was wearing a suit, so... 421 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,400 ..he took up the recessed material 422 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680 and just tried to go up through my boxers, up inside me. 423 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,480 I just totally froze. 424 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,720 He pulled me in closer in his ear, in my ear, he whispered, 425 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,880 "Don't worry about it." 426 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,400 He did that, and then he, just like a shark, 427 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,840 just moved straight through 428 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,320 and moved into Kevin mode at a press night, 429 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,960 so went and took pictures. 430 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,680 And it's horrible to know that, like, you're doing that one second, 431 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,960 and the next minute you're carrying on like nothing's happened. 432 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,120 It feels like you're invisible. 433 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,960 I can see all the photographers, 434 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000 and there's, like, all these eyes and all these faces, 435 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,000 and you're moving through them, 436 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,840 and you just want, er... someone to help you. 437 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,440 I stopped... putting in work for auditions. 438 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,400 Staying in bed all day. 439 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,000 You just go like that. 440 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,880 What's the point? 441 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,240 There was a naivety there of feeling like you were on a mission 442 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,320 to become the best actor in the world, 443 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,360 but as soon as you get made to feel, like, that small, 444 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,120 you're almost muted, you know, your voice gets smaller. 445 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,200 I didn't feel like I was in an environment, 446 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,480 if I did tell someone, 447 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040 they would have believed me or even supported me. 448 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,040 This was a London theatre with an A-list star... 449 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,880 ..and they worshipped him. 450 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,920 From that point on, I don't see my career as anything else 451 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,040 other than just sort of darting around the edges of... 452 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:29,000 ..quite substantial addiction issues and relationship issues. 453 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,640 Now to Washington's obsession with a show 454 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,160 that happens to make Washington look like a den of vipers. 455 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,120 Yeah, it's called House Of cards, and it's available on Netflix, 456 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,720 and it stars Kevin Spacey. 457 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Netflix was the DVD delivery company 458 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,880 that, like, my parents signed up for. 459 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,160 They had transitioned into streaming, 460 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,240 and then Netflix is now going to be making their own TV shows, 461 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,600 and House Of Cards was one of the first. 462 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,440 Netflix has made a loud and pricey statement that they've arrived, 463 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,440 betting $100 million on a project with Kevin Spacey. 464 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,000 What about my guest tonight? Academy Award-winning actor, 465 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,320 his Netflix series, now showing its second season, 466 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,760 is called House Of Cards. 467 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Please welcome back to the programme Kevin Spacey! 468 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,000 Kevin Spacey was on every chat show. 469 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,120 He was on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart loved him. 470 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,080 You Machiavellian piece of BLEEP, you conniving... 471 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,760 It's so good! 472 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,920 So my role in relation to Kevin is, I was the first team PA on set, 473 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,600 which meant that I had eyes on Kevin pretty much all of the time. 474 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320 I had never been so close 475 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,600 to a performer that commanded the room in such a way, 476 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,320 and I was just so blown away by it. 477 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,720 It was literally the last scene of season two. 478 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,640 Frank has finally 479 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,680 become the president through all of the scheming, 480 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,680 and he's taking his first moment inside the Oval Office. 481 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,720 You just see him settling into 482 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920 this, like, power he has worked so hard for, 483 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,360 and at the very end of it, 484 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,920 he just looks dead in the camera 485 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,080 and smacks his fist on the table. 486 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,720 You felt the oxygen, all the oxygen in that room, 487 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,160 focus on him. 488 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680 And cut! Nice! 489 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,880 It was like, "Oh, this is how you win Oscars." 490 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,200 I'm having the time of my life working on it. 491 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Literally every day is just a joy to work on. 492 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,920 Well, I wish things were that ruthlessly efficient. 493 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,760 It's true, I was looking at Kevin Spacey, 494 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,120 I was thinking, "This guy's getting a lot of stuff done." 495 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,480 I loved working on House Of Cards, I adored working on that set. 496 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,120 But, um, the behaviour that was going on 497 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,920 also made it a hostile work environment 498 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,840 for a lot of people. 499 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,760 I thought he was, like, incredible. You know? 500 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,960 He just had this this aura about him on screen, 501 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,240 but then we're on the other side of the set, 502 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,600 and right there in that moment, at a workplace, 503 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,840 I was inappropriately touched. 504 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,280 It was kind of shocking. 505 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720 It was like seeing someone just kind of shift in front of you, 506 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,800 and I just remember he just had these very cold eyes, 507 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,400 like empty, soulless. 508 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,680 I caught him in this moment where there was the real Kevin. 509 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400 The issue of Kevin was certainly well known. 510 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,120 It was like, "Oh, yeah, that's the thing." 511 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,480 "That's what happens here." 512 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,040 The issues surrounding Kevin were typically with men. 513 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Both myself and the base-camp production assistant, 514 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,400 we were both women. 515 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,120 It's all very coded, but it was implied to me 516 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,960 that it was to account for the fact 517 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040 that there was, quote-unquote, you know, bad behaviour, 518 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,080 and they wanted to make sure 519 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,360 that they weren't putting someone in too close proximity 520 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480 where it could happen again. 521 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,320 I would often see him walk up to performers, 522 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,440 walk up to, like, background actors we had on set, 523 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,880 and he would, you know, kind of get very close 524 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,520 and clearly be like engaging with them in this way. 525 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,400 I would see him, you know, put a hand on like an arm 526 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520 and, like, talk about their muscles. 527 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,120 You know, there would be kind of that kind of grabby flirtatiousness 528 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360 would happen if he felt like he could get away with it. 529 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,440 There were crew members that were made to feel very uncomfortable. 530 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160 So one of the feelings that you get 531 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440 when you're a woman in this environment 532 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,360 where you're used to being the one who's the target is, 533 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,680 "Wow, at least it's not me." 534 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,560 But then you're seeing it happen to other people, 535 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400 and that's not that's not something you want to be happening either. 536 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,160 We had a crew member who Kevin was particularly fixed on, 537 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,280 and he was he was spending so much time going up to this person, 538 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,760 trying to engage with this person, trying to engage with this person, 539 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,880 that that person's boss actually moved them off of set. 540 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160 Because he's the executive producer, he's your boss, 541 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,880 and so if he comes up to you and wants to engage in conversation, 542 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,720 you're in some way obligated to. 543 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,080 It puts you in a really weird headspace 544 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,560 where you're kind of waiting to be, like, 545 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,680 "What's bad enough where something has to be done about this? 546 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760 "Is there some way I can insert myself to kind of save them?" 547 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,400 It was not clear what you could do. 548 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,760 You could call...Netflix? 549 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880 It just seemed like he was unstoppable. 550 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,080 Kevin was getting a lot of praise for his role in House Of Cards. 551 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,240 He won the Golden Globes Award, he won the SAG Award. 552 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,200 My favourite, Kevin Spacey! 553 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,160 Yes! 554 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,320 Thank you. Thank you. 555 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,800 I just want to talk a little bit 556 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,800 about the theory of relativity, um... 557 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,240 Yeah, because apparently they say that if you're in an elevator, 558 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,440 you don't know whether you're going up or going down, 559 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,880 but right now, it feels like I'm going up. 560 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,960 Thank you very much. 561 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,920 I was invited to go to the Bafta Britannia Awards. 562 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,480 And, um... 563 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,080 Would you please welcome two-time Academy Award winner Kevin Spacey?! 564 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,600 All of a sudden, Kevin Spacey comes onstage. 565 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,920 This is...ten years later. 566 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,680 And I had not seen him since these incidences, 567 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,040 and my heart just sank to the floor. 568 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,320 You wrecked part of my life. 569 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,320 And there was this whole room adoring you. 570 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,600 And I thought, "Ten years have gone past, 571 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,200 "what more has he done?" 572 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,280 And that whole weekend was a blur because... 573 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,720 the Friday was the event. 574 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:43,880 The Saturday... 575 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,000 ..I told my mum. 576 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,480 And the Sunday, the news broke. 577 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960 Tonight, there is a scandal swirling around actor Kevin Spacey, 578 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,720 the Hollywood star accused of sexual misconduct. 579 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,720 Spacey allegedly forced himself 580 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,280 on a future Broadway star, Anthony Rapp. 581 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Well, we have the reporter who broke this story, 582 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,600 Adam B Vary of BuzzFeed News. 583 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,920 Anthony Rapp was very much moved by the number of women 584 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,200 who were coming forward in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, 585 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,960 and he felt like, as he said, 586 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,760 he was really awake to the moment we're living in now. Yeah. 587 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,440 I think Kevin Spacey stands out 588 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,640 in the first few months of the MeToo movement, 589 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,360 because he was the first prominent man 590 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400 to have an allegation brought against him by another man. 591 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,280 Within a couple hours of the BuzzFeed story publishing, 592 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,160 Kevin Spacey released a statement. 593 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,080 In a statement, Spacey says, quote, 594 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,280 "If I've behaved then as he describes, 595 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,640 "I owe him the sincerest apology 596 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,760 "for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour." 597 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,200 Spacey tweeted he does not remember the alleged encounter, 598 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,320 which Rapp detailed in an interview with BuzzFeed. 599 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,920 Still, Spacey says he's beyond horrified by the story, 600 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,520 and he says it has encouraged him 601 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960 to do something he's never done before - 602 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,120 publicly acknowledge that he is gay. 603 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,680 There was a great deal of pushback from the LGBTQ community 604 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,560 for that statement. 605 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,160 It's a real shame that, after many, many opportunities 606 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,160 that Kevin Spacey did have to come out in a positive way, 607 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,120 that he's ended up coming out in what has been a very negative way. 608 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,840 As a queer person myself, 609 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,920 Kevin's decision to come out 610 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,040 on the back end of these accusations 611 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,680 that were brought against him by other men 612 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,800 was frustrating, 613 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,400 because it felt like it was being used as a distraction. 614 00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:00,560 I don't know what Kevin Spacey's intentions were with that statement, 615 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,080 but that was how it was received by a lot of people. 616 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,560 That's warped, that's wrong. 617 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,240 No-one knows what journey you can or can't take in coming out, 618 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,960 and it's different for everybody, 619 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,360 which is all the more reason to continue to pursue it 620 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,080 until you find a way to live with yourself 621 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,560 and not hate yourself for being who you are. 622 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,760 That's what the coming-out process is, 623 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,840 and that's why I really worry about Spacey's health. 624 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,240 Because where is his head in with this? 625 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,480 Since he came out to defend himself against accusations, 626 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,880 he's not said a word about the gay community, 627 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,640 about being a gay man, 628 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,040 about how it feels to be an out gay man. 629 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,680 That's not in this conversation and that to me is very suspect. 630 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,360 I thought Kevin Spacey's statement seemed strange. 631 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160 He's half apologising 632 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,560 for this allegation that Anthony Rapp is making, 633 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,640 but he's now also using this as a moment to come out as gay. 634 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,400 And to me, that was just a red flag 635 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,960 that he was trying to deflect from something bigger. 636 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,360 I shut myself in this small little conference room, 637 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,080 and I called hundreds of people over the next two or three days. 638 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,320 I was talking to all sorts of people who had either 639 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,360 worked on House Of Cards or who were actively working on the show. 640 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,560 I eventually landed with eight people 641 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040 who were willing to share their stories with me, 642 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,760 but under the condition of anonymity. 643 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,640 A lot of the people that I was speaking to 644 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,640 were just starting out their careers in Hollywood, 645 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,760 and they just weren't emboldened and empowered enough 646 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,360 to feel like they could take on someone as powerful as Kevin Spacey. 647 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,800 And so we published the piece, 648 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,080 and I had no idea what was about to happen. 649 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,160 Netflix has fired actor Kevin Spacey from House of Cards. 650 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,200 Netflix has confirmed House of Cards will resume production next year, 651 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,480 but without the show's main star, Kevin Spacey. 652 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:42,320 That week, there was a stream of other stories and allegations. 653 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,200 We've got some disturbing new accusations being levelled 654 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,600 this morning against Oscar-winner Kevin Spacey. 655 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,760 It's one of a number of explosive allegations levelled 656 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840 against the actor in recent weeks. 657 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,360 The effects of 658 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,560 the allegations against Kevin Spacey firebombed his career. 659 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,960 His agency and his publicist dropped him. 660 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,600 Several of Kevin Spacey's projects that had already been shot 661 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,720 were either dropped or dumped. 662 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,520 But is Hollywood being too quick to judge, turning its back 663 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,000 on the Oscar winner before formal charges have even been made? 664 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,240 Next thing you know, there are these allegations coming 665 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,520 from across the pond, overseas in the UK. 666 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,040 20 people have claimed they were victims of inappropriate behaviour 667 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,880 by the actor Kevin Spacey, following an investigation 668 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,280 by the Old Vic Theatre in London. 669 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,960 The Old Vic apologises wholeheartedly to the people 670 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,200 who have told us they've been affected. 671 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,400 Everyone needs to feel that they can speak out no matter who they are. 672 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,600 Thank you. 673 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:07,720 The reason I've never really spoke out about it was out of, uh, fear. 674 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,480 Yeah, fear of not being believed. 675 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560 This stuff doesn't happen to guys. 676 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,640 At least, that's what I thought. 677 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,400 Until I experienced what I did on House of Cards. 678 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,120 When you're gay, it's like, 679 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,640 "Oh, well, isn't it just like being at a gay club?" 680 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,840 I even remember someone said, "Oh, lucky you." 681 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,880 Lucky me? 682 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,440 W-... Wha-...? 683 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,200 Would you say that to a woman? 684 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,600 These stories just kept coming. 685 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,920 But Kevin Spacey kept retreating and becoming more reclusive. 686 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,120 And then all of a sudden, he put this bizarre YouTube video 687 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,320 up of himself standing in what appears to be his kitchen, 688 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,200 wearing an apron, and he is channelling his House of Cards 689 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,200 character, Frank Underwood. 690 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,480 I know what you want. 691 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,640 Oh, sure, they may have tried to separate us, 692 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,240 but what we have is too strong. 693 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,880 It's too powerful. 694 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,600 When I saw it, I felt physically ill. 695 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,360 He knows best that we want him back. 696 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:23,440 And that's so pompously egotistical that it 697 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,920 just makes me angry. 698 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,400 Of course, some believed everything and have just been waiting with 699 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,920 bated breath to hear me confess it all. 700 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,400 But you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence, would you? 701 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,200 Did you? 702 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:43,720 I remember feeling so judged by watching this. 703 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,840 Oh, of course, they're going to say I'm being disrespectful, not playing 704 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,560 by the rules, like I ever played by anyone's rules before. 705 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,880 I never did. 706 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,840 And you loved it. 707 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,760 He's merging art and life in a really, really distasteful way. 708 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,840 What is he trying to prove here? 709 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,560 He's proving that he can't speak as himself. 710 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,120 He can only speak as the person, the puppeteer behind the character 711 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,440 that he's playing. 712 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,280 We now know that there was all of this turmoil 713 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,240 going on behind the scenes. 714 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,600 Years later, in legal documents, we find out that Media Rights 715 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,720 Capital, the production company behind House of Cards, 716 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,520 was going after Kevin Spacey. 717 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,400 They were headed into season six and they've lost their main star. 718 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,400 Essentially, MRC is saying, "Look, we had to rewrite the show, 719 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,400 "we had to shorten our season and it cost us, you know, millions 720 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,960 "of dollars because of your inappropriate behaviour on the set." 721 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,120 This arbitration court does their own independent investigation, 722 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,680 and they depose several individuals who claim that Kevin Spacey touched 723 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:16,040 them in a sexually inappropriate manner that was not consensual. 724 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,840 The arbitrator finds, through their interviews, 725 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:26,320 that this is a pattern of inappropriate behaviour that spans 726 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,040 the first five seasons of the show. 727 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,280 And they say that they find 728 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,560 these individuals that they deposed to be credible, 729 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,320 and that the allegations against Spacey are true. 730 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,600 The arbitration case did not find that Kevin Spacey had done anything 731 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,840 criminal, but what they did find was that Kevin was in breach 732 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,480 of this harassment policy. 733 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,880 Therefore, he was responsible financially 734 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,240 to the production company. 735 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,000 Two years later, this case finds itself in front of a judge 736 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,080 in the Superior Court of California because Kevin Spacey and his legal 737 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,280 team, they appeal the arbitrator's decision, and this judge agrees 738 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:17,520 with what the arbitrator's found and agrees that Kevin Spacey owes 739 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,200 Media Rights Capital 740 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,240 over $30 million. 741 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,640 This judgement is incredibly significant because to have it 742 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,840 written right there in black and white, this is the first time 743 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,160 that Kevin Spacey has been held accountable for his actions. 744 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,920 Mr Spacey, how do you feel? 745 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,200 Mr Spacey! How are you feeling right now? 746 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,400 There was no battery, there was no party, and nothing happened. 747 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,120 And the jury believed that, by preponderance of the evidence, 748 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,360 more likely than not, that it did not happen. 749 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,000 He called the case weak, said the men were after money, or lying, 750 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,920 or in one case, he'd just mistakenly made a pass in a moment 751 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,400 of real-life drama. 752 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,240 The jury agreed with him. 753 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,360 Hearing the verdict, it was truly devastating. 754 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,800 But it doesn't mean that we all have to be silent. 755 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,880 I can't give up on myself and my truth, and others 756 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,720 shouldn't have to either. 757 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,960 It is not easy to reconcile the not-guilty verdicts of the trials 758 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,840 with my own personal experiences from high school with Kevin. 759 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,080 I'll still know that what happened to me happened to me. 760 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,080 Even though it absolves him of having committed a crime 761 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,840 in those cases, 762 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,040 I know that his behaviour is not morally or ethically acceptable. 763 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,200 You know, he grabbed me and I tried to act like it was nothing. 764 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:20,760 And it was something, like, it's something I shouldn't 765 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,040 have went through. 766 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,280 I wouldn't see it as anything criminal. 767 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,720 I just did think it was just kind of like disgusting behaviour 768 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,240 from a professional to have on set. 769 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,040 When you're in a position like that, right, 770 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,600 power, celebrity, money, like, you have to be even better 771 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,000 than the average person because you're capable of so much 772 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,360 more damage and so much more destruction 773 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,000 than the average person. 774 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,280 He wasn't responsible with that power. 775 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920 He used it like a weapon. 776 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,080 When I heard the verdict, it was like getting punched 777 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,280 in the face. 778 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,280 But that sense of disappointment and anger and upset crystallised 779 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,840 for me the need to come forward and tell my story. 780 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,560 The baton was almost passed to me to say, you take it up now, you push 781 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,840 this story forward. 782 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,960 The message to Kevin has to be - it's over. 783 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,360 You know, it's over for you. 784 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,360 Because enough of us know and enough of us agree that this is wrong 785 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,040 and it can't keep happening. 786 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,400 I have to respect the judicial system, but I know his behaviour 787 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,600 needs to change. 788 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,640 It did not come from his gaining power. 789 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,600 It's who he is. 790 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,440 My greatest fear post verdicts is that this will empower him to do 791 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,440 it again, to feel emboldened in a sense. 792 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,400 And, that can't be. 793 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,520 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 61253

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