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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,660 --> 00:00:04,000 [music playing] 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,710 \h\hNARRATOR: Ethnic tensions continue to divide the already 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,420 \h\h\h\hravaged empire as the barbarian-born General Ricimer 4 00:00:10,550 --> 00:00:12,630 claws his way to the throne. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,300 Hungry for power, \hhe kills anyone 6 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:20,600 \h\h\h\hwho stands in his way, including his closest friends. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,690 \h\hNow Roman control of the empire’s once great 8 00:00:23,770 --> 00:00:27,610 \hWestern provinces is swept away by a storm of barbarian 9 00:00:27,730 --> 00:00:29,900 warlords and kings. 10 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:32,400 Out of the chaos, \hone Roman leader 11 00:00:32,530 --> 00:00:36,950 rises up determined to restore \h\h\hRome to its glory days. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,540 But in his path stands a fierce barbarian warrior prince. 13 00:00:41,660 --> 00:00:44,290 \hFor the empire, the clash of their swords 14 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:46,000 is the beginning of the end. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,380 [men shouting] 16 00:00:59,430 --> 00:01:01,640 By the fifth century \hAD, after hundreds 17 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:04,890 of years of constant warfare, \h\h\hthe Western Roman Empire 18 00:01:05,020 --> 00:01:09,310 \h\his a mere shadow of its former self. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,730 \hTHOMAS MARTIN: The empire was into full-blown crisis. 20 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:15,780 \h\hThere was increasing pressure from barbarians 21 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:19,410 outside the empire who wanted \h\h\hto come into the empire. 22 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:23,580 \hAnd above all, there was the tremendous financial pressure. 23 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:27,710 The empire wasn’t generating the revenues that allowed it 24 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:29,880 to keep its military \h\h\h\hforce strong 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,710 and its infrastructure repaired. 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,010 NARRATOR: Without a well-armed military, 27 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:39,390 \hRome is powerless against one of the largest barbarian forces 28 00:01:39,550 --> 00:01:42,720 the empire has ever seen, the Huns, led 29 00:01:42,850 --> 00:01:44,770 by their ferocious \h\hleader Attila. 30 00:01:44,930 --> 00:01:46,940 [horse neighs] 31 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:48,770 \h\h\h\h\h5th century chronicler Callinicus 32 00:01:48,940 --> 00:01:50,520 recounts their savagery. 33 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:52,270 CALLINICUS (VOICEOVER): \h\h\h\h\hThe barbarian 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,070 Huns became so great that more than 100 cities were captured. 35 00:01:56,190 --> 00:01:58,740 \h\hAnd there were so many murders and bloodlettings 36 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:00,280 that the dead could \h\hnot be counted. 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,580 \h\h\hNARRATOR: The Huns, a nomadic tribe from the East, 38 00:02:07,660 --> 00:02:12,130 lay waste to what little \his left of the empire. 39 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:15,880 KELLY DEVRIES: The fact is that there is no state in the West. 40 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:17,880 The West has dissolved. 41 00:02:18,010 --> 00:02:19,930 The West has fallen apart. 42 00:02:20,090 --> 00:02:22,010 \h\hThere are so many different entities, so 43 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:27,180 many different armies, so many different powers that 44 00:02:27,310 --> 00:02:30,480 \hare vying for control, but there’s no control. 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,820 NARRATOR: Though the eastern \hcapital of Constantinople 46 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:38,990 \h\his able to survive the Hunnic invasions, 47 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:42,820 the weaker Western empire feels the brunt of their expansion 48 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:46,040 and is forced to cede the \hRoman region of Pannonia 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,620 to Attila the Hun. 50 00:02:49,750 --> 00:02:51,120 [bell ringing] 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,500 \h\hIn the empire’s former territories, 52 00:02:55,670 --> 00:03:01,180 Romans must now answer to their barbarian rulers, the Huns. 53 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:02,680 \h\h\h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: Romans and barbarians 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,010 can identify each other \hby the way they speak, 55 00:03:05,140 --> 00:03:08,850 \hby the way they dress, by the way they smell, by the way they 56 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:10,600 wear their hair. 57 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:13,730 \h\h\hEven though by this time, Romans and barbarians are really 58 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:15,860 used to each other, I think it’s fair to say 59 00:03:15,980 --> 00:03:18,360 \hthat ethnic tensions have never gone away. 60 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:24,240 NARRATOR: But one Roman moves \hthrough the troubled society 61 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:28,000 with ease and finds opportunity in Attila’s new regime. 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,330 His name is Flavius Orestes. 63 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:37,300 \h\h\hOrestes was a Roman who had grown up in territory dominated 64 00:03:37,420 --> 00:03:40,260 by the Huns, but he got a high position 65 00:03:40,340 --> 00:03:41,550 at the court of Attila. 66 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,060 \h\hNARRATOR: The empire may be falling down around him, 67 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:50,180 \hbut it’s his Roman heritage that makes 68 00:03:50,270 --> 00:03:55,980 \h\h\h\hOrestes and the other Pannonians valuable to Attila. 69 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:59,400 RICHARD BURGESS: They’re Roman because they talk like Romans. 70 00:03:59,530 --> 00:04:00,740 They walk like Romans. 71 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:03,030 And there is still the cultural, the social. 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,620 \hEverything that makes up what a person is and does 73 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:11,870 is still Roman, and that \hgoes on for centuries. 74 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,620 NARRATOR: Able to \hread and write, 75 00:04:13,790 --> 00:04:17,590 the cultured Orestes stands out among Attila’s many barbarian 76 00:04:17,710 --> 00:04:19,300 allies. 77 00:04:19,420 --> 00:04:22,590 Orestes is soon made secretary \h\h\h\hin the ruler’s court. 78 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:29,100 \h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: Orestes got to see how Attila had 79 00:04:29,220 --> 00:04:33,270 \h\h\ha real political vision trying to merge 80 00:04:33,390 --> 00:04:37,310 the Huns with the Romans through marriage and political alliance 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,400 \h\hto come up with a new empire there in the North. 82 00:04:42,490 --> 00:04:46,410 [shouting] 83 00:04:46,530 --> 00:04:49,120 \h\h\hNARRATOR: Having daily contact with Attila the Hun, 84 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,790 Orestes experiences firsthand \h\hjust how brutal barbarian 85 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:54,370 justice can be. 86 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:58,790 His Roman sensibilities \h\hare easily offended. 87 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,210 \hTHOMAS MARTIN: I think it is fair to say that there is what 88 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:04,630 \hwe would call ethnic tension between barbarians and Romans. 89 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,430 They faced a problem similar to the problem that we face today. 90 00:05:08,510 --> 00:05:10,970 These different peoples from different cultures 91 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:12,600 need to work together. 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,730 In important ways, they want \hto become like each other. 93 00:05:15,810 --> 00:05:19,980 But there’s tension \h\h\hbetween them. 94 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:22,400 [crowd shouting] 95 00:05:22,570 --> 00:05:24,820 NARRATOR: Though Orestes is repulsed by the barbarians’ 96 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:28,120 \h\hblood sacrifice of their enemies, in Attila’s power, 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,870 Orestes finds the ambition \h\h\hfor something more. 98 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:36,000 THOMAS MARTIN: Orestes, when he served in the court of Attila, 99 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,500 was able to see how this leader was organizing a nation out 100 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:43,170 of nothing. 101 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:45,260 And I think Orestes above all would have learned that there 102 00:05:45,380 --> 00:05:50,390 was a real possibility of seeing a new kind of Roman world, 103 00:05:50,470 --> 00:05:56,310 one led by a king that melded barbarian and Roman strengths 104 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,150 to restore the glory \h\hof Rome the way 105 00:05:59,310 --> 00:06:03,610 it had been at the time of \hthe founders, the kings. 106 00:06:03,690 --> 00:06:05,360 [shouts] 107 00:06:05,530 --> 00:06:07,610 \hNARRATOR: Orestes may be ruled by barbarians, 108 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:10,950 but he will always be Roman and always think of himself 109 00:06:11,070 --> 00:06:13,200 and his people as superior. 110 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:15,700 He longs to return the once \hgreat empire to its Roman 111 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:16,540 roots. 112 00:06:19,540 --> 00:06:24,590 In 453 AD, Attila’s reign comes to an unexpected end 113 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:28,260 \hon his wedding night, soon bringing about the collapse 114 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:32,050 \hof the mighty Huns and their barbarian allies. 115 00:06:32,180 --> 00:06:35,350 His bride finds him dead of a broken blood vessel 116 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:38,060 and, terrified of being accused of killing him, 117 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:41,060 spends the entire night \h\hnext to the corpse. 118 00:06:41,190 --> 00:06:44,270 \h\h\hSixth century historian Jordanes. 119 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,400 \h\h\hJORDANES (VOICEOVER): He fell, not by wound or by foe, 120 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:52,240 nor by treachery, but happy in his joy and without pain. 121 00:06:57,580 --> 00:07:00,120 NARRATOR: But the Hun’s demise cannot save Rome. 122 00:07:00,210 --> 00:07:03,420 The power vacuum that results \honly allows more barbarians 123 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:05,920 \hto descend upon the fading Western empire. 124 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,550 In the following years, Rome’s \hcities fall into disrepair. 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,060 \h\h\hHunger prevails, and beggars fill the streets. 126 00:07:17,140 --> 00:07:20,810 \h\h\hOrestes wanders, no longer a man of influence. 127 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:23,860 \hHe seeks his fortune in a land struggling to survive. 128 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,820 GEOFFREY GREATREX: The infrastructure 129 00:07:28,990 --> 00:07:31,530 seems to have crumbled in some cases fairly quickly. 130 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:33,660 It varied from one region to another. 131 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:37,080 Aqueducts, it’s true, sort of \hperhaps fall into disrepair. 132 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,250 And the quality of pottery \h\hperhaps in some places 133 00:07:40,410 --> 00:07:41,410 diminishes. 134 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:42,500 \hIt’s all getting a bit more hectic. 135 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:44,000 The street plans begin to change. 136 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,800 The regular features break down. 137 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,590 \hNARRATOR: It is a time of diminished hope and starving 138 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:52,470 children. 139 00:07:52,590 --> 00:07:55,510 The details of Orestes’s travels are lost to us, 140 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,060 but as a true Roman, he refuses to believe that the empire is 141 00:07:59,220 --> 00:08:03,150 beyond saving, that the humanity and civilization at its core 142 00:08:03,270 --> 00:08:04,980 cannot be brought back. 143 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:07,650 He sets his sights on one day making his way 144 00:08:07,730 --> 00:08:11,240 to the city of Rome. 145 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,120 \h\hKELLY DEVRIES: The fact is that Rome fell physically far 146 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,490 earlier than it fell \h\hpsychologically. 147 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:21,790 \h\hThe idea that Rome could fall was difficult for many 148 00:08:21,870 --> 00:08:23,580 to accept. 149 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:25,330 And many didn’t accept it. 150 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:27,210 They believed as long as there was an emperor on the throne, 151 00:08:27,380 --> 00:08:28,710 there was a Rome. 152 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,380 As long as there were walls around the city, 153 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:31,970 there was a Rome. 154 00:08:32,170 --> 00:08:35,930 As long as there was somebody \hwho believed a Rome existed, 155 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:37,350 the empire in fact existed. 156 00:08:40,890 --> 00:08:42,930 \h\h\hNARRATOR: In the mid fifth century, after years 157 00:08:43,020 --> 00:08:45,690 \h\hof constant pressure from barbarian attacks, 158 00:08:45,770 --> 00:08:49,360 Rome is forced into a treaty with a powerful tribe called 159 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,070 \hthe Burgundians, granting them valuable Roman land in exchange 160 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:55,280 for military service. 161 00:08:57,950 --> 00:09:01,370 \hOriginally from Scandinavia, like many Germanic barbarians, 162 00:09:01,450 --> 00:09:04,710 the Burgundians are allowed to settle in southern Gaul. 163 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:07,540 \hThese territories on the periphery of Italy 164 00:09:07,630 --> 00:09:10,750 are the first to go. 165 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,880 RICHARD BURGESS: It’s just very slowly little bits and pieces 166 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:15,510 are given away. 167 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,350 \hIn a way, it’s kind of like if you think about your body. 168 00:09:18,510 --> 00:09:20,390 \h\hIf you’re out in the cold, your body 169 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:23,930 \h\his programmed to make sure that your brain and your sort 170 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:26,730 \hof heart and whatever survive no matter what. 171 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:31,020 So your fingers go first, your \htoes, your feet, your hands. 172 00:09:31,190 --> 00:09:32,860 \h\hAnd it’s very much like the Roman Empire. 173 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:37,280 \hNARRATOR: In return for these land grants, 174 00:09:37,450 --> 00:09:41,410 the Burgundians must supply the empire with mercenary soldiers. 175 00:09:41,530 --> 00:09:45,410 \h\hBut this treaty only furthers Rome’s plight. 176 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:47,580 \h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: When they give land to the barbarians, 177 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:50,880 since land is a great source, \hperhaps the principal source 178 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,380 of revenue, the more land they give away, 179 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:55,220 the less money they \h\hhave coming in. 180 00:09:55,340 --> 00:09:56,970 The less money they \h\hhave coming in, 181 00:09:57,050 --> 00:10:00,720 the more land they have to give away in order to keep barbarian 182 00:10:00,890 --> 00:10:02,850 support to keep the army strong. 183 00:10:03,010 --> 00:10:06,940 \h\h\hSo it really is a vicious spiral that leads more and more 184 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:10,310 to a financial crisis. 185 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,400 NARRATOR: The Burgundians’ \h\h\hleader, Gundobad, is 186 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:14,360 the son of a mighty chieftain. 187 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,440 \h\hBut as the empire grows weaker and more 188 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:19,110 \h\h\h\hdesperate for his tribe’s many mercenaries, 189 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,450 \h\h\hhe is a powerful force in Rome as well. 190 00:10:29,540 --> 00:10:32,000 \hIn the empire’s capital, Gundobad 191 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:35,800 \h\h\h\his made the master of soldiers, but he controls more 192 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,130 than the army. 193 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:42,850 He also chooses Rome’s \hemperor, Glycerius. 194 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:45,770 EDWARD WATTS: It’s a choice made by Gundobad, because Gundobad 195 00:10:45,890 --> 00:10:47,730 \h\hthought that he was a loyal figure. 196 00:10:47,890 --> 00:10:52,150 But it’s clear that Glycerius \h\hmust rule at the pleasure 197 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:55,570 of Gundobad, and he must rely \hupon the support of Gundobad 198 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:59,070 to do this effectively. 199 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,740 NARRATOR: The emperor’s \h\h\hgreat throne room 200 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:04,950 \h\his filled with more barbarians than Romans. 201 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,120 EDWARD WATTS: The Western \hRoman army at this point 202 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,000 \h\h\h\h\his overwhelmingly barbarian, if not entirely. 203 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,460 It seems likely that \h\hthere were still 204 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:15,300 native Roman forces in there. 205 00:11:15,420 --> 00:11:17,010 \h\hBut when we do hear of this army, 206 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:20,930 \h\hit’s an army that contains Turks and Germans and a range 207 00:11:21,090 --> 00:11:22,260 of other non-Romans. 208 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,560 NARRATOR: In charge of Glycerius’s barbarian 209 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,350 mercenaries is a barbarian \hwarrior named Odovacer. 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,810 ’ 211 00:11:34,020 --> 00:11:37,480 Odovacer found a position \hin the imperial guard, 212 00:11:37,570 --> 00:11:40,700 \hclose to the center of power, surely because he 213 00:11:40,820 --> 00:11:44,030 \hhad a demonstrated military competence and real leadership 214 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,030 ability. 215 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,540 NARRATOR: This is the Rome \hthat Orestes encounters 216 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:54,920 when he finally arrives after decades of travel. 217 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,380 Upon first meeting Odovacer, \hhe cannot know how deeply 218 00:11:58,550 --> 00:12:03,430 the empire has changed since its glory days. 219 00:12:03,550 --> 00:12:05,260 EDWARD WATTS: The power \hof the Western Empire 220 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:09,520 is certainly gone in the 470s, but I think it’s probably not 221 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,770 \h\hclear to everybody that this is a doomed enterprise. 222 00:12:12,890 --> 00:12:16,400 \hIt does seem potentially to be just a momentary weakness. 223 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,770 \hAnd had the course of things gone differently, 224 00:12:18,860 --> 00:12:20,490 perhaps it could have recovered. 225 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:26,240 NARRATOR: Orestes’ diplomatic \h\h\h\h\hexperience earns him 226 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:28,740 a high position in the Imperial Army. 227 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:32,460 But he is surprised to find Odovacer, a lowly barbarian, 228 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:33,500 holding equal standing. 229 00:12:37,380 --> 00:12:39,920 THOMAS MARTIN: They obviously \hwere both highly ambitious. 230 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:42,800 They’d survived really \htough circumstances. 231 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:46,890 Orestes has succeeded at the \hcourt of the bloodthirsty 232 00:12:47,010 --> 00:12:48,220 Attila the Hun. 233 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,220 Odovacer had been a \hmilitary commander 234 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:53,140 \hand had brought himself literally later from rags 235 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:55,310 to riches at Rome. 236 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,150 I think their ambitions as well as their special competencies 237 00:12:59,230 --> 00:13:04,280 would have put them on the track to compete with each other. 238 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:08,160 NARRATOR: Both have their own \hvisions of empire, one Roman 239 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,280 and one barbarian. 240 00:13:14,580 --> 00:13:17,040 After spending years in the \h\hcourt of Attila the Hun, 241 00:13:17,170 --> 00:13:21,340 the Roman Orestes is made a \hgeneral in the Roman army. 242 00:13:21,460 --> 00:13:25,010 But in Italy, he encounters an \hempire that’s disintegrating 243 00:13:25,130 --> 00:13:26,640 and hardly Roman. 244 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,300 Its power resides not in \hits emperor Glycerius, 245 00:13:30,430 --> 00:13:33,730 but in the barbarian generals \hOdovacer and the Burgundian 246 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:34,640 chieftain Gundobad. 247 00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:45,820 In the past, Rome had integrated its barbarian mercenaries 248 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:49,070 in the army to ensure that they never gained too much power. 249 00:13:51,870 --> 00:13:55,660 \h\h\h\h\hBut what happens in the fifth century is that they stay 250 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:57,790 as Germanic groups. 251 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:00,090 They get to keep their own clothing, their own food, 252 00:14:00,210 --> 00:14:02,880 their own culture, their own \hadministrative structure, 253 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:05,170 their political structure, their military structure. 254 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:07,550 And it’s bizarre. 255 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,100 But they aren’t Romanized. 256 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:13,350 \hNARRATOR: And now Gundobad’s warriors 257 00:14:13,510 --> 00:14:15,850 \hhold the same rank as their Roman peers 258 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:19,690 \h\h\h\h\h\hand Emperor Glycerius’s Roman army. 259 00:14:19,770 --> 00:14:21,820 GEOFFREY GREATREX: The army \h\hat Glycerius’s disposal 260 00:14:21,940 --> 00:14:25,570 \h\hor rather basically that Gundobad has at his disposal 261 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:28,030 \hwould be a mixed formation no doubt 262 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,280 comprising Burgundians, but \hmany other various groups 263 00:14:31,410 --> 00:14:36,790 \h\has well that together form as it were the army in Italy. 264 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:38,330 In the case of the Roman army, there 265 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:40,790 seems to have definitely \hbeen tensions at times 266 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,420 between barbarians \hwho are serving 267 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:46,170 \hand Romans who are serving and Romans who felt that because it 268 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:49,590 was the Roman army that their leadership capabilities should 269 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,220 \h\hbe recognized, whereas barbarians 270 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:54,010 \h\h\h\hshould be disqualified because they were barbarians. 271 00:14:56,890 --> 00:14:59,730 \hNARRATOR: The once unified power of the Roman military 272 00:14:59,890 --> 00:15:03,440 \h\h\his lost as violence explodes within its ranks, 273 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,110 dividing the army \hagainst itself. 274 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:09,530 \hGeneral Orestes, once so skilled at diplomacy, 275 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:12,530 soon finds that even he is powerless against it. 276 00:15:19,580 --> 00:15:22,000 As Rome suffers greater \hlosses against tribes 277 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,090 like the Visigoths and \hGaul, Roman soldiers 278 00:15:25,170 --> 00:15:29,550 must question the allegiance \hof their barbarian allies. 279 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,340 GEOFFREY GREATREX: I think everybody 280 00:15:31,470 --> 00:15:33,720 had their own interest \h\h\h\hat this point. 281 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,770 \h\h\h\h\hThings become somewhat fragmented and diffused so that 282 00:15:37,930 --> 00:15:41,940 \h\hwhat we’re dealing with is a group of people whose interests 283 00:15:42,020 --> 00:15:44,690 \hare no longer united even among the Romans themselves. 284 00:15:48,070 --> 00:15:51,200 NARRATOR: Chaos reigns on the \hbattlefield when the army no 285 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,950 longer fights for the empire, \h\hbut every man for himself. 286 00:15:57,950 --> 00:16:00,120 When the enfeebled Western \h\h\hempire can no longer 287 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:03,620 keep its enemies from sacking \hthe Mediterranean coastline, 288 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:07,210 the stronger Eastern empire \h\hbased in Constantinople 289 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:08,550 finally steps in. 290 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:19,100 In the imperial palace, the \haging Eastern emperor Leo 291 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:24,100 enjoys the security of his heavily fortified capital. 292 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:26,650 KELLY DEVRIES: The reality \h\h\hof the Roman Empire 293 00:16:26,770 --> 00:16:30,190 \hin the mid fifth century was that there was a distinct East 294 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,780 and West. 295 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:33,320 The reality was also that \hthe East was prosperous, 296 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:36,280 and the West was not. 297 00:16:36,450 --> 00:16:38,910 NARRATOR: Blaming Glycerius \h\h\h\hfor Rome’s failures, 298 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,250 Leo hopes to extend \h\h\hhis own reach 299 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:46,460 by appointing a new Western \h\h\hemperor, Julius Nepos. 300 00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:48,880 EDWARD WATTS: The thinking about why Nepos was chosen 301 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,420 to go to the West revolves \h\h\haround the position 302 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:53,010 that Nepos had at court. 303 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:55,760 \hHe was a very well-placed person, related by marriage 304 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:57,350 to the emperor Leo. 305 00:16:57,510 --> 00:16:59,850 \h\h\h\hHe was a figure who was suitable for leading an invasion 306 00:17:00,010 --> 00:17:00,640 to Italy. 307 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:12,400 \h\hNARRATOR: In 474 AD, Nepos assembles an army 308 00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:15,160 \h\h\hand leads his troops away from Constantinople, 309 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,280 bound for Italy. 310 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:21,870 \hThe East is going to look to reassert its influence 311 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,870 in the West and find a candidate who could depose Glycerius. 312 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,380 Its reaction is not \ha surprising one. 313 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:32,130 NARRATOR: As a newly \happointed emperor, 314 00:17:32,260 --> 00:17:36,590 \hNepos has a great deal to prove and even more to lose 315 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,430 if he fails in bringing the Western empire back 316 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:42,810 from the barbarians. 317 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:45,980 As Nepos’s army sailed \hfrom Constantinople, 318 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:49,810 the Western emperor Glycerius \h\hmust prepare his own army 319 00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:51,570 to counter the attack in Rome. 320 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,200 \h\hBut when Glycerius orders Orestes and Odovacer to ready 321 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:02,330 their troops for battle, he encounters firsthand 322 00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:04,790 \h\hthe problem of barbarian loyalty. 323 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:07,040 \hGundobad and his Burgundian troops 324 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,830 desert him in his hour of need. 325 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,260 RICHARD BURGESS: What happens \h\his that Gundobad abandons 326 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:20,050 \h\hhis position to go back and become king of the Burgundians, 327 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:23,140 which is clearly a lot \hmore fun than being 328 00:18:23,260 --> 00:18:25,100 the generalissimo of Glycerius. 329 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:31,060 EDWARD WATTS: The army, because it’s not a Roman army in terms 330 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:33,980 of its native background, \h\hhas a different agenda 331 00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:37,190 and a different set of desires than perhaps a citizen militia 332 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,070 would. 333 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,120 NARRATOR: Without his \hBurgundian support, 334 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,830 even the armies of Odovacer and Orestes cannot save Glycerius 335 00:18:47,910 --> 00:18:49,620 from the invading \hforces of Nepos. 336 00:19:00,010 --> 00:19:03,800 \hAs Nepos draws near Rome, Glycerius and his commanders 337 00:19:03,930 --> 00:19:06,720 ride out, not for battle, \hbut to plead for mercy. 338 00:19:10,270 --> 00:19:12,980 THOMAS MARTIN: And so Glycerius found himself in a situation 339 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:16,230 where he really couldn’t expect military support 340 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:20,660 either from hired barbarians \hor from his local troops. 341 00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:24,580 So when the Eastern empire \hsent Nepos to take over, 342 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,450 \h\h\hGlycerius made the only rational decision. 343 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:28,790 He surrendered without a fight. 344 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:36,920 NARRATOR: Nepos, having come to Italy to violently unseat 345 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,010 Glycerius, now spares \hthe emperor’s life. 346 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:44,760 \hTHOMAS MARTIN: Nepos wanted the appearance of legitimacy, 347 00:19:44,930 --> 00:19:47,470 \h\hthat he would become emperor with the backing of the Eastern 348 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,730 \h\h\hemperor and the approval and agreement 349 00:19:50,850 --> 00:19:53,400 of the Western emperor, who \hwould step down because he 350 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,520 \hrecognized that Nepos was the better man for the job. 351 00:19:59,530 --> 00:20:01,950 \h\h\hNARRATOR: He orders Glycerius be made a bishop 352 00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:04,370 \hand sends him into exile far from Rome. 353 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,370 In June, 474 AD, when Nepos is crowned Western emperor, 354 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:16,380 \h\h\hhe is lauded by Orestes and Odovacer. 355 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:18,800 \h\h\hBeing equally ambitious, both men 356 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,720 \h\htransfer their loyalty to their new leader immediately. 357 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,510 KELLY DEVRIES: Orestes \h\h\hbeing Roman also 358 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,510 \h\h\hhas an idea that there is still a Rome. 359 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,060 And he can still protect Rome. 360 00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:34,980 In the case of Odovacer, there \h\hseems to be a recognition 361 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,810 that there is no more Rome. 362 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:40,610 \h\h\hAnd so how it plays out is you’ve got two very capable man 363 00:20:40,690 --> 00:20:44,660 at the very moment in time when a decision is made whether Rome 364 00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:45,820 will cease to exist. 365 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:53,120 NARRATOR: Nepos promotes \h\h\hthe Roman Orestes 366 00:20:53,290 --> 00:20:57,080 \hand the barbarian Odovacer to the highest posts in his court, 367 00:20:57,210 --> 00:21:01,380 giving them unmatched \h\h\h\hpower in Rome. 368 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:05,800 KELLY DEVRIES: Elevating Orestes and Odovacer at the same time, 369 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:09,060 giving them kind of equal power or at least equal recognition, 370 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:12,640 he’s kind of prepared \h\h\hhis own demise. 371 00:21:12,810 --> 00:21:14,350 In both of these characters, he’s 372 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,770 \helevated individuals who are of strong will 373 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:19,730 and of great capabilities. 374 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,950 \h\hNARRATOR: But the court politics in Rome 375 00:21:25,030 --> 00:21:28,450 \hare quickly overshadowed by relentless Visigoth invasions 376 00:21:28,570 --> 00:21:30,790 \h\h\h\hagainst the last remaining Western Roman 377 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:32,200 territory of Gaul. 378 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:38,880 \hAt the height of the Roman Empire, 379 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,500 this region now known \has Provence, France, 380 00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:43,380 was a prosperous community. 381 00:21:43,550 --> 00:21:45,970 But throughout the \h470s, its people 382 00:21:46,090 --> 00:21:49,300 are subject to constant raids \hfrom the Visigoth barbarians 383 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:52,600 and their king, Euric. 384 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,140 \hTHOMAS MARTIN: The very ambitious Visigothic king, 385 00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:58,150 \h\h\h\hwho was a real expansionist, decided 386 00:21:58,270 --> 00:22:04,740 that he was going to attack this area there in southern France 387 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:06,860 that wasn’t under his control. 388 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:08,530 By this time, the \hVisigoths really 389 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:11,200 did have an overwhelming force. 390 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:15,000 And so it was simply part \hof the process by which 391 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,750 \hRoman territory in Gaul was constantly shrinking until it 392 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,840 \h\hwas reduced to just a tiny slice along the coast of what 393 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,340 is today southern France. 394 00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:29,140 \hNARRATOR: The bloodthirsty Visigoth warriors lay waste 395 00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:32,140 \h\h\h\hto the villages of Provence, showing no mercy 396 00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:33,510 to the helpless Roman citizens. 397 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:42,730 \hThe Eastern emperor Leo sends Julius Nepos to Rome 398 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:44,690 as the new Western emperor. 399 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:48,070 Nepos is counting on his two \hcommanders, the barbarian 400 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,070 Odovacer and the Roman Orestes. 401 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,450 \h\h\hBut even with their support, the Roman empire 402 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:54,540 is in terrible jeopardy. 403 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,170 \hBarbarian Visigoths invade southern Gaul, 404 00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:03,090 \h\h\hforcing the meager Roman legion stationed on the border 405 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:03,960 into battle. 406 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,930 \h\h\hThe imperial soldiers, under-armed and unprepared, 407 00:23:12,010 --> 00:23:15,680 are no match for the Visigoths. 408 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,180 EDWARD WATTS: The Goths \hseem better organized. 409 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,400 Their kingship seems \h\hto be stronger. 410 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,320 They seem to be able to \hmobilize more forces. 411 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,280 And the forces seem to be better able to deal with whatever 412 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:31,950 eventualities occur in warfare. 413 00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:33,910 NARRATOR: The fighting is brutal, the carnage 414 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:34,950 overwhelming. 415 00:23:35,030 --> 00:23:36,200 Something must be done. 416 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:44,750 \hThough the Roman commander Orestes 417 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,880 \his inexperienced in battle, Emperor Nepos 418 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,340 sends him from Rome to Gaul with orders 419 00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:53,590 to drive the barbarians out. 420 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,010 \hGEOFFREY GREATREX: He is to be the new commander-in-chief 421 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:57,390 in Gaul. 422 00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:00,730 \h\hNow, the thing is, you can ask yourself, 423 00:24:00,850 --> 00:24:04,150 is this such a great honor \hor such a great position 424 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:07,940 \h\h\h\hto be given, given that there’s very little that’s left 425 00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:10,150 to be controlled in Gaul? 426 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,650 It seems like an honor. 427 00:24:11,780 --> 00:24:14,240 But perhaps it was actually \h\ha way of sidelining him. 428 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:15,030 We don’t know. 429 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,960 NARRATOR: But in his camp \h\hon the Italian border, 430 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,130 \hthe former diplomat Orestes tries his hand 431 00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:29,920 \h\h\hat military strategy, hoping to sideline Odovacer 432 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:32,090 and the new emperor \h\h\hNepos instead. 433 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,760 \hHe offers a deal to his mostly barbarian soldiers. 434 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:41,770 If they march with him against Emperor Nepos, 435 00:24:41,850 --> 00:24:46,150 \h\h\hhe will grant them valuable land in Italy. 436 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:48,690 \hTHOMAS MARTIN: We know that Orestes turned against Nepos, 437 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:51,820 \hthat instead of following the emperor’s instructions, 438 00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:55,610 \h\hhe decided to try to seize power for himself. 439 00:24:55,780 --> 00:24:57,700 \h\hWhy did Orestes turn against Nepos? 440 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:01,790 \h\hI think Orestes had a vision of restoring Rome. 441 00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:04,670 [men shouting] 442 00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:06,750 \hNARRATOR: Abandoning Gaul to the Visigoths, 443 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,420 Orestes leads his army from their camp in northern Italy 444 00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:10,840 back towards Rome. 445 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:13,930 \hBut when Emperor Nepos learns of the invasion, 446 00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:14,970 he flees to Ravenna. 447 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,390 \h\hIn August of 475 AD, Orestes marches into Ravenna and orders 448 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,770 his troops to scour the city \hin search of the emperor. 449 00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:31,230 The barbarian soldiers \h\h\hgo on a rampage, 450 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,900 terrorizing the citizens and destroying property. 451 00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:37,030 \hTHOMAS MARTIN: I can only imagine that Orestes either 452 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,200 thought that Nepos was selling out the Roman 453 00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:42,410 Empire to the barbarians \hor that Orestes simply 454 00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:46,870 had this overwhelming ambition to capture the Roman Empire’s 455 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,130 leadership for himself. 456 00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:51,000 NARRATOR: But even under \h\hthe threat of death, 457 00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:53,340 \h\h\hno one reveals the emperor’s hiding place. 458 00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,550 Emperor Nepos is forced to \hsecretly escape the city 459 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,060 according to 6th century \h\hhistorian Jordanes. 460 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:07,350 \hJORDANES (VOICEOVER): Nepos fled to Dalmatia, 461 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,480 \h\h\hand, deprived of his power, he languished there 462 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,860 as a private citizen \h\hin the same city 463 00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:15,400 where the exiled emperor \h\h\hGlycerius recently 464 00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:18,200 became bishop. 465 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,320 Soon Nepos is on his way out. 466 00:26:20,410 --> 00:26:22,700 \hHe’s exiled and will continue to be exiled, 467 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:24,620 \hcalling himself emperor until 480. 468 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,330 In fact, some historians give him sympathy as the last Roman 469 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:29,880 emperor. 470 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,130 But he’s long since ceased \hto exist as an emperor. 471 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,630 NARRATOR: With Nepos gone and the barbarian soldiers 472 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,640 \h\h\hunder his thumb, Orestes believes he can restore order 473 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,550 \h\h\h\hto an empire engulfed in anarchy. 474 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:53,770 In a surprising turn, Orestes \h\h\hdoes not take the throne 475 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:56,690 himself, but instead names his young son, 476 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,950 Romulus Augustulus, emperor. 477 00:27:01,070 --> 00:27:03,490 THOMAS MARTIN: Orestes decided \hthat he, with his childhood 478 00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,500 \h\hhaving grown up among barbarians and his service 479 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:11,290 at the Hunnic court, that maybe the Italian elite wouldn’t want 480 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:15,210 him, Orestes as the emperor, \h\h\hbut they would accept 481 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:19,840 \h\h\hthis pure Italian Romulus as their leader 482 00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:22,970 because it would appeal to their sense of tradition, 483 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:28,980 \hno matter how empty in terms of power that feeling was now. 484 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:31,480 NARRATOR: The boy will remain \h\hin the well-protected city 485 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,020 of Ravenna. 486 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:36,690 EDWARD WATTS: He was protected \h\h\h\hby Paulus, his uncle. 487 00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:39,860 \h\h\hRomulus is still an adolescent and had not yet 488 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:42,610 \hcome to full maturity, hence his name Augustulus, or Little 489 00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,410 Augustus. 490 00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:48,330 \h\h\hNARRATOR: Young Romulus is merely a puppet for his father. 491 00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:52,250 \hIt is Orestes who will rule the empire, finally edging out 492 00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:56,130 \hhis rival Odovacer to become the most powerful man in Rome. 493 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:06,930 \h\hSwollen with pride, Orestes ignores his debt 494 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:08,680 to the barbarian soldiers. 495 00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:11,890 But after holding up their end \hof the deal helping Orestes 496 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:17,900 unseat Nepos, they demand \h\htheir payment of land. 497 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:20,740 \hRICHARD BURGESS: These guys want to get settled on Italy, 498 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:24,110 on Italian territory, on the \hland of Italian senators. 499 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,950 And Orestes is enough of a Roman to know that this isn’t going 500 00:28:27,030 --> 00:28:27,870 to fly. 501 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:28,700 And so he says no. 502 00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:34,920 \h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: Orestes couldn’t pay the soldiers. 503 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,340 \h\h\h\hFor the soldiers, the purpose of having an employer 504 00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:39,050 was to pay them. 505 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:41,800 And so when Orestes, the power behind the throne with his son 506 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,510 on it, can’t come up with the money 507 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:48,180 that they want or can’t \hcome up with the land 508 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:50,930 \h\h\hthey demand, then there’s only one answer. 509 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:54,350 Get rid of that emperor and get somebody else who can get us 510 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,020 what we want. 511 00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:58,610 \hNARRATOR: With the help of his guards, 512 00:28:58,690 --> 00:29:01,280 \hOrestes is able to flee the chaos, 513 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,740 \hbut he underestimates the power of the barbarian army 514 00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:06,320 now bent on revenge. 515 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,210 \h\h\hAfter years of competing for power 516 00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:18,210 \h\hwith his barbarian co-commander Odovacer, 517 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:21,260 \hthe Roman Orestes gains the advantage, 518 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:24,470 crowning his own 12-year-old \h\h\hson as puppet emperor. 519 00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:27,590 \h\hBut tensions rise as the barbarian army goes unpaid. 520 00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:37,270 When the barbarian soldiers are denied what Orestes has 521 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,230 \h\h\h\h\h\hpromised them, settlement land in Italy, 522 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,900 they turn to his greatest rival for help, Odovacer. 523 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:48,240 THOMAS MARTIN: So the soldiers \h\hmade a perfectly rational 524 00:29:48,410 --> 00:29:51,450 \h\hdecision to go to somebody else, in this case, Odovacer, 525 00:29:51,620 --> 00:29:53,660 \h\h\hwho they thought had a better chance of satisfying 526 00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:54,830 their demand. 527 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,460 \h\h\hOdovacer was a barbarian, and they 528 00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:59,500 could expect that he wouldn’t \h\hhave nearly as many qualms 529 00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:03,300 \h\habout giving them land or money or whatever they needed 530 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:06,470 regardless of where it came from in order to make them happy. 531 00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,260 \h\h\h\hNARRATOR: The soldiers make Odovacer 532 00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:14,310 an offer he can’t refuse. 533 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:15,850 RICHARD BURGESS: So \hthey turn to him, 534 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:19,440 \h\hand they say, well, if you can get us this land, 535 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,270 we’ll make you king. 536 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,190 How does that sound? 537 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:21,980 Whoo! 538 00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:23,030 That sounds all right. 539 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:24,490 So off they go. 540 00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:26,650 And he seems to be a leader \h\h\hof this sort of ragtag 541 00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:29,990 \hbag of Germanic peoples in this supposedly Roman army. 542 00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:34,580 NARRATOR: Together they \hset out to bring down 543 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:36,870 all Roman power in the empire. 544 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,170 Odovacer will now taste the revenge 545 00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:41,880 \hhe seeks against Orestes who dared 546 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,500 to usurp his power in Rome. 547 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,560 They immediately begin to raid the cities of Italy. 548 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,270 \h\hThe narration that we have of this talks 549 00:30:57,390 --> 00:31:01,400 \h\h\h\habout days and days of plundering, the wealthy being 550 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,730 stripped of all of their money. 551 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,400 \hNARRATOR: After risking their lives for the sake of an empire 552 00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:10,780 they can’t even call their own, the barbarian soldiers feel 553 00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:15,540 the time has come for Rome to pay in blood what they cannot 554 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:19,250 pay in money and land. 555 00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:21,290 \h\hKELLY DEVRIES: Pretend you’re a soldier for them. 556 00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:24,090 Pretend that you have to live on the meager wages 557 00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:25,250 that you’ve got. 558 00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:28,050 And now you’d miss a payday. 559 00:31:28,170 --> 00:31:30,380 One payday, you may be able to make it. 560 00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:34,050 \hTwo, three, four paydays in a row, you’re starving. 561 00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:36,850 \hAre you going to have much allegiance to the army that 562 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:38,310 has let you starve? 563 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,230 \h\h\hNARRATOR: Now answering to no one, 564 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,320 Odovacer relishes \hthe opportunity 565 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,490 to finally assert his dominance over Italy and Orestes. 566 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:55,780 KELLY DEVRIES: What we’re \h\h\htalking about in 476 567 00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:57,370 is not a war per se. 568 00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:58,790 There’s no great battles. 569 00:31:58,910 --> 00:32:00,250 There’s no sieges. 570 00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:03,580 \h\h\h\hYou’ve got starving soldiers seeking to survive. 571 00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:05,790 \hAnd in order to survive, they will 572 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,300 do whatever it takes to do so. 573 00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:10,170 \hBecause they are trained to fight, 574 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:13,390 they will put down anyone \h\h\hwho encounters them. 575 00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:18,260 Riots and rampages and sackings and rapings take place. 576 00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:23,560 \h\h\hNARRATOR: With Odovacer closing in, 577 00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:26,810 \hOrestes leaves his son, the young emperor Romulus, 578 00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:29,990 in Ravenna under the care of the boy’s uncle Paulus 579 00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:33,280 \h\hwhile Orestes escapes to Ticinium in northern Italy. 580 00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:39,830 EDWARD WATTS: Orestes is forced to seek refuge from Odovacer 581 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:43,330 and his troops in Ticinium, \h\h\hwhich is modern Pavia. 582 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:47,420 \h\hWe’re told by a text that the bishop of Pavia 583 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:52,300 \h\h\h\hgives Orestes sanctuary in the city. 584 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,800 \hNARRATOR: But even the House of God cannot protect him from 585 00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:56,970 the barbarian forces. 586 00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:59,850 \hOrestes is forced to flee as Odovacer 587 00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:02,980 and his men ravage the church, \h\hdesperate to root him out. 588 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:10,280 \hEDWARD WATTS: The bishop had his collection of alms stolen. 589 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,690 \h\h\hAll of the money he collected to help the poor 590 00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:14,780 was stolen by Odovacer’s forces. 591 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:17,910 They also burned buildings \h\hincluding the church. 592 00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:22,830 NARRATOR: As the church \h\h\hgoes up in flames, 593 00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:25,830 \hso do Orestes’ visions of the empire’s rebirth. 594 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,670 Odovacer does not care about \hthe perpetuation of Rome. 595 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,130 \hIn fact, it’s a realization to him 596 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,350 \h\hvery early on that Rome no longer exists. 597 00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:39,510 But what role does he play? 598 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,930 What power can he hold? 599 00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:49,820 NARRATOR: Orestes and his \hguards escape Ticinium, 600 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:51,940 hoping to buy enough \h\htime to prepare 601 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:55,070 \h\h\h\hfor the certain face-off with Odovacer. 602 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,910 \h\hOnce they were peers in the emperor’s court. 603 00:33:58,030 --> 00:33:59,450 Now they are locked \h\h\hin a struggle 604 00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:01,240 for their very survival. 605 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:02,830 [horse neighs] 606 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,120 KELLY DEVRIES: Both are very \hproud of the position they 607 00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:08,920 hold, and neither are \hwilling to recognize 608 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,210 the other has any power at all. 609 00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:13,460 \h\h\hNow, in that case, of course, a clash is imminent. 610 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,470 NARRATOR: Orestes and \hhis army get as far 611 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:22,560 as Placentia, modern-day \h\h\h\hPiacenza, Italy, 612 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560 before they are finally \hconfronted by Odovacer 613 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,730 on the battlefield. 614 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,560 [shouting] 615 00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:36,110 \h\h\h\hNARRATOR: The inexperienced Orestes 616 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,450 has little chance against the savagery of Odovacer barbarian 617 00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:40,320 troops. 618 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,620 \h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: It would have been loud, 619 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:55,210 chaotic, bloody, violent, dusty, which is why morale even more 620 00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:58,380 than training, when push came to shove, 621 00:34:58,550 --> 00:35:00,720 was at the heart of who was going to win 622 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,010 and who was going to lose. 623 00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:04,640 \h\h\h\hThere are dead bodies to climb over. 624 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,730 There are injured men yelling. 625 00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:10,350 There are people loosing their bowels from fear. 626 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,270 [men shouting] 627 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,280 [music playing] 628 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:28,750 \hThere was something still symbolic about the empire 629 00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:37,670 \h\h\has if the last few gasps of imperial power 630 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,300 could be hung onto by someone who felt that the empire could 631 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:44,970 be restored by them. 632 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,470 They thought the empire \h\h\hwas still existent 633 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,600 or that they could \hsave the empire. 634 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,020 We know as historians now that they cannot. 635 00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:56,230 NARRATOR: No matter how foolish, Orestes 636 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,320 refuses to admit defeat. 637 00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:06,660 When the Roman general Orestes \h\hbreaks his promise of land 638 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:11,040 to his barbarian troops, they \h\hlaunch a full-scale revolt 639 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,960 \hled by Orestes’ rival the barbarian general Odovacer. 640 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:20,510 Now fighting on a battlefield \h\h\h\hnear Placentia, Italy, 641 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:23,390 the two adversaries \hvie for supremacy 642 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:26,510 \hjust as they once did in the emperor’s throne room in Rome. 643 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,140 \h\h\hKELLY DEVRIES: Odovacer and Orestes 644 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:34,560 are the two most important \hindividuals in the West. 645 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:39,110 On their shoulders lie \hthe future of Rome. 646 00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:41,240 And one has to agree \h\hwith the other. 647 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,450 There has to be some \h\hcompromise made. 648 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:45,240 If not, there will be violence. 649 00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:46,620 And that’s in fact what happens. 650 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,000 NARRATOR: It’s a brutal \h\hfight to the death. 651 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,960 And in the battle’s end, just as in the empire’s, the Roman 652 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,710 \h\hfinally succumbs to the mightier barbarian. 653 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,970 \h\hWe don’t know exactly what happened when Odovacer caught 654 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,140 up with Orestes, but my suspicion 655 00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:14,690 \h\h\his that it was a quick and brutal end. 656 00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:16,860 There was not going to be \hany elaborate ceremony. 657 00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,860 \h\hThere was not going to be any elaborate funeral. 658 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:21,030 Orestes was to disappear. 659 00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:25,320 I’m sure his execution was swift, silent, and total. 660 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,790 \hNARRATOR: Victorious, Odovacer and his troops 661 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,040 march to Ravenna to address the only unfinished business 662 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,170 left, the young son of Orestes, the last Western Roman emperor. 663 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:47,260 The 12-year-old emperor Romulus Augustulus and his uncle Paulus 664 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,430 \h\hare unaware of Orestes’ death and 665 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,770 unprepared for the murderous \h\hassault of Odovacer men. 666 00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:58,400 \h\h\h\hEDWARD WATTS: When Odovacer comes to Ravenna, 667 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,520 \hRomulus is not able to put up much of a fight. 668 00:38:00,610 --> 00:38:03,440 But Paulus, who was charged \h\hwith protecting Romulus, 669 00:38:03,610 --> 00:38:06,610 \h\h\hmanages to do this and tries to protect his nephew. 670 00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:11,950 \h\hOdovacer’s forces then kill Paulus and move against the boy 671 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,660 emperor Romulus Augustulus. 672 00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:19,000 \h\hNARRATOR: Terrified, the boy flees the sounds of his uncle’s 673 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:20,630 murder. 674 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,050 The last Roman emperor, trapped like a bewildered animal, 675 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:26,970 cannot hide from the \hbarbarian’s blade. 676 00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:29,930 There is no escape. 677 00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:31,640 EDWARD WATTS: Romulus is a mere figurehead, 678 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,180 and so there’s no reason in essence for Odovacer 679 00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:37,980 to do anything to him. 680 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:39,480 NARRATOR: But the \hruthless warrior 681 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,730 makes a surprising choice. 682 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,870 He spares the boy’s life, \hsending him into exile. 683 00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:52,830 \h\h\h\h\h\hBy saving his life, Odovacer can show his clemency 684 00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:57,750 \h\hand can show to the Romans that he can behave in the way 685 00:38:57,870 --> 00:38:59,670 that a just sovereign \h\h\hought to behave. 686 00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:05,300 \hNARRATOR: In the summer of 476 AD, 687 00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:09,720 Odovacer becomes Italy’s \hfirst barbarian ruler. 688 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,220 Odovacer is now king. 689 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,060 Now, he’s not king of Italy. 690 00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:15,770 \hHe’s not king of the Roman Empire. 691 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:19,520 He’s just king of these guys, \h\h\hthis little motley band, 692 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,400 \h\hwhatever it was, making up the Roman army at this point. 693 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,990 \hNARRATOR: Odovacer is king, not emperor, because the Roman 694 00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:33,320 Empire is officially dead just over 500 years after its birth 695 00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:34,530 in 27 BC. 696 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,410 THOMAS MARTIN: It really is the end 697 00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:40,750 of a Roman emperor in the West. 698 00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:43,420 \hNow there’s going to be a king in the West. 699 00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:46,460 There’s still a Roman \hemperor in the East. 700 00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,930 But the East has no effective \h\h\h\hcontrol over the West. 701 00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:52,300 In a real political \h\h\hsense, things 702 00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:54,300 have changed fundamentally. 703 00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,390 NARRATOR: News of Rome’s \h\hfall travels quickly 704 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,900 to the new Eastern emperor \hZeno in Constantinople. 705 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,570 \hThe messengers arrive bearing the news the Eastern empire has 706 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:12,200 dreaded for years. 707 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,740 They carry the last vestige \h\h\h\hof the boy emperor’s 708 00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:18,080 imperial office. 709 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,210 EDWARD WATTS: The last thing \hthat Odovacer has Romulus 710 00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:24,210 Augustulus do before he formally steps down from the Roman 711 00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:27,500 throne is send an envoy on behalf of the Senate 712 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:30,880 \hand the emperor conveying the ornaments of imperial authority 713 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:34,550 \h\hto Constantinople with the word that no emperor is needed 714 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,640 in the West. 715 00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:40,310 NARRATOR: With a barbarian \hking lording over Italy, 716 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:43,440 the remaining symbols of Roman \hpower are no longer needed. 717 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,320 \h\h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: We know that Odovacer very publicly 718 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,860 proclaimed he was not going \h\hto wear the purple robes 719 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:55,620 \hand the golden crown that signified a Roman 720 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:56,820 emperor at the time. 721 00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:59,120 \hHe was going to leave those aside. 722 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,700 Odovacer was something new. 723 00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:04,790 \hHe was a king in the West, not an emperor. 724 00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:08,210 The robes and the crowns and \hthe jewels of emperorship 725 00:41:08,290 --> 00:41:11,210 now belonged to the \h\hEastern emperor. 726 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,050 \hNARRATOR: But in his hands, they no longer 727 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:17,050 signify power and prestige, \h\h\honly failure and loss. 728 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:25,270 Back in Italy, the families \hof the barbarian soldiers 729 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,440 \hare now finally granted the land they fought for. 730 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,650 \h\h\h\hThe West now lies completely in their hands. 731 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,860 It’s clear Odovacer \hdid uphold what 732 00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:37,450 he had agreed to his soldiers. 733 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:39,160 He kept his promise. 734 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:41,870 \hHe gave them what was due to them and was a man of his word 735 00:41:41,950 --> 00:41:45,290 to those supporting him. 736 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:48,500 \h\hNARRATOR: For the empire, invasions of women, children, 737 00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:52,510 \h\h\hand homesteads proved more powerful than those of warriors 738 00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:53,340 and siege machines. 739 00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:58,180 THOMAS MARTIN: Rome became \hstrong in the beginning 740 00:41:58,340 --> 00:41:59,640 because it took in outsiders. 741 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,350 \h\h\hThat is to say it encouraged immigration. 742 00:42:02,430 --> 00:42:05,270 \hBut in the end, when the barbarians came in numbers 743 00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:08,060 and wanted to be part \hof the Roman Empire, 744 00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:10,610 \h\hfor complicated reasons, the Romans 745 00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:13,860 were unable to take \hthem in in the way 746 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:15,570 that they had done before. 747 00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:20,780 This failure to make immigration a positive source of strength 748 00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:24,540 really was one of the principal reasons for the undoing 749 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:25,540 of the Roman Empire. 750 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:33,210 \hNARRATOR: But despite the fall of the empire, 751 00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:36,170 \h\hin remote places like monasteries and libraries, 752 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:37,840 the great knowledge \h\h\hand ingenuity 753 00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:40,850 born of Roman civilization \h\h\h\h\his miraculously 754 00:42:41,010 --> 00:42:42,060 salvaged and saved. 755 00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:48,230 \h\hTHOMAS MARTIN: The idea of Rome endured, 756 00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:51,020 because in those pockets \hwhere there was still 757 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:55,070 an emphasis on learning and education and books, 758 00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:59,240 \h\hit was Romanness and the classics of Roman literature 759 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,870 and culture that were seen as the foundation 760 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:04,080 of a civilized life. 761 00:43:05,830 --> 00:43:07,460 GEOFFREY GREATREX: \hThe Roman Empire 762 00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:12,340 \hhas bequeathed a huge amount to us certainly in the West-- 763 00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:15,920 so many institutions, \hso much terminology, 764 00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:19,510 the very languages that we speak that are so marked by Roman 765 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:20,260 influence. 766 00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:21,930 It’s all around us. 767 00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:24,680 We simply cannot escape the Roman legacy however hard we 768 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,600 may try. 769 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,770 And that’s why it matters. 770 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,610 NARRATOR: From democracy \hto empire to its fall, 771 00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:40,990 \h\h\hRome has inspired the Western world as we know it. 772 00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:45,160 \h\hIts civilization survived centuries of war, persecution, 773 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,710 corruption, and plague, \h\honly to die quietly, 774 00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:53,290 slowly at the hands of one barbarian soldier. 775 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,340 KELLY DEVRIES: There \h\his a romanticism 776 00:43:57,420 --> 00:43:59,590 \hto caring about the fall of Rome, 777 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,590 caring about the Roman \h\hEmpire as a whole. 778 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,800 \h\h\h\hIt certainly was a very important part of the formation 779 00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:05,890 of the modern world. 780 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:07,180 Let’s face it. 781 00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:09,680 It hasn’t been around \h\h\hfor 1,500 years. 782 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:13,020 Why should we care any longer? 783 00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:14,860 I think the answer \his very simple. 784 00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:18,320 \h\h\hWe should care because in Rome lay 785 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,700 all of the wonderful aspects of humanity 786 00:44:22,820 --> 00:44:25,990 and all of the terrible \h\haspects of humanity. 787 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,700 And if we study those, if we understand them, 788 00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:37,340 perhaps we can repeat the good \hones and not repeat the bad. 789 00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:39,340 [men shouting] 790 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:42,840 [music playing] 67232

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