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-...to meet you.
-[Drew] Pleasure.

It's quite the project. Ahhh!
This could be a money pit.

You got to pick us.
You have to.

You're pushing beyond
what this market will give.

No risk. No reward.

-I'm Sheryl.
My daughter, Jasper.
-Hi, I'm Jasper.

[Drew] That's a
good-looking building.

We have some issues.

[Jonathan] How much
have you wasted
on this project so far?

Close to $200,000.

-Yeesh.
-200 grand.

[Jonathan]
I'm continuing to hunt
for a multi-unit building

for one of the first investors
we backed, James and Isabel.

I just finished
touring James and Isabel
through a property.

Oh, my gosh, they're not
really listening to me.

Massive undertaking.
Potentially massive profit.

It smells like money.

[Drew] We just want
to help people
get into good investments

or to help save them
from what's turning into
a bad investment.

I don't know what I'm doing.

I've never flipped
a house before.

Had you rented it out
from the beginning,

-you would have
made over $400,000.
-Ahhh!

We want to back you
because we can

really help you
get this project done.

Thank you, guys.
You have no idea.

$100,000?

You're freaking nuts.

[Drew] What you're
looking at doing

with this house
seems impossible.

We made so
many mistakes early on.

I wish we had a mentor

who could tell us,
"No, no, guys, bad idea."

[laughs] Rookie mistake.

They're already 200 grand
in the hole.

-Obviously, this needs
some work.
-Yeah.

On paper, some things
can look great,

in person,
whole different story.

We got a problem.
You got to tell these guys

to stop everything
right now.

If they don't get this right,
I think they're done.

[woman] This is life-changing.

This is gonna turn
the page to my career.

Who wants to make
some money?

Why are we backing investors?
What do we get out of it?

Well, we don't make any money
by backing these investors,

but when they succeed,
that's good for our reputation

and that is good
for our business.

That's why we have
to choose wisely.

I find it so funny
how many times we've talked

to people about investment
that they're working on

and they've
bought the property,
they're already renovating,

and then we ask
about their design
or what their plan is,

and they don't know
that far ahead.

They just ripped it apart
to start renovating it.

They're like,
"Well, it's a property.

It must be worth something
in the end."

Nothing should be
left to guessing.

If you know the numbers
aren't gonna work,

you walk away
before you've
shelled anything out.

You have to
understand the market

and you always
have to play
worst case scenario.

Anyone who plans
on best case scenario
is going to fail.

So it's a beautiful street.

Our next investors
are in Valley Village.

It's nestled
between trendy neighborhoods
like Studio City and NoHo.

It's known as
a family-oriented
neighborhood

with upscale residences,
tree lined streets,
parking and privacy.

Today we're meeting
veteran investors in trouble.

[Drew] It's a flip house.

They're looking to make
a good return off of this.

We really want to find out

if they're smart
with their money and if
they know what they're doing.

Oh, my gosh, it's just--

I didn't realize it's sticks.

-[Drew] Yeah.
-They took it
down to nothing.

Wow.

[Sean]
I've been in construction
for 15 years.

Building homes
and flipping homes

gives me the freedom
of doing what my vision is.

[Natalie] So I'm
a real estate agent.

We decided to combine
our expertise.

We need the brothers
because though both of us

have been in the industry
for many years.

In this market,
the costs from everything
has gone up.

The profit margins
are becoming very, very thin

because of interest rate.

So we need
all the help we can get.

-Nice to meet you.
-Pleasure. Drew.

-How are you? Sean.
Pleasure, man.
-[Drew] Nice to meet you.

Wow.

This is quite the project.

First impression...
Ahhh!

This could be a money pit.
It's torn apart.

They are well
into this project.

There's no turning back.

So when you got the house,
what was the state
of the house?

It was a house,
but it was a
very, very, very old house.

I don't think
it's been touched
since it was built

in the '40s, I believe.

-Okay.
-[Natalie] So, uh, we knew
we needed to do work,

and it was just a matter
of what will give us
the most value

at the end of the day.
How much work should we do?

We bought the property
three months ago.

We got it under market.

We saw the potential
to improve it

and eventually flip it
and sell it for property.

[Natalie] We will be
completely gutting the house

and creating
a five bedroom house
plus an ADU.

We are going to add a pool

and completely
landscape the exterior
as well.

We want to do something
that really stands out,

and that maintains
its original charm.

Have you changed
the footprint? 'Cause it looks
like in addition--

[Sean] Yes, we're adding
square footage at the front.

-[Natalie] The dining room
is at the front,
-[Sean] And then,

into the primary bedroom.

-[Jonathan] Okay.
-Total of 499 square footage.

-And raising...
-[Sean] Raising it
to ten foot.

-[Jonathan] Okay.
-[Sean] Ten foot ceiling.

[Jonathan]
And how long did it take
for you to get your permits?

Within 45 days.
We already got a permit.

How did you turn
this around in 45 days?

Because most projects
with any additions

on it right now,
you're sitting for months.

-Four or five months. Yeah.
-Yeah.

The reason that
we chose to do it
under 500 square feet

is because
for cost effective purposes,

but also with regards
to time,

it goes through the city
much quicker if you add
under 500 square feet.

-Right, right, right. Okay.
-[Drew] Yeah.

[Jonathan]
The fact that they kept
the additions

under 500 square feet,

-that's genius, because
if they had even gone...
-Yeah.

...another 50 square feet,

they'd be waiting
six to nine months
to get an answer.

[Natalie] And the footprint
of the house was pretty big
to begin with.

It was about 2800,

so we figured 500
would get it just over 3000.

Oh, okay.
I thought your 3,000 was
including the garage.

So what's the additional
square footage for the garage?

Yeah, so, the garages
stay in the garage.

There is a storage behind it.

We're converting that
to an ADU.
The ADU is additional.

[Natalie] Yeah, and that's
450 square feet.

Oh, okay. What--

And who's
the shrewd negotiator
between the two of you?

Oh, we're a good team.

-[Jonathan] Oh, yeah?
-[laughs]

[Drew] Who's good cop,
who's bad cop?

-We're bad cop, bad cop.
-[all laughing]

No, wait. Are you a couple?

-No. My spouse
works with him.
-[Sean] Yeah.

They're on
the construction side.
I'm on the real estate.

-Yeah. Her husband
is my partner.
-[Drew] Oh, oh. I see. I see.

-So you're a licensed agent?
-I am.

-You're a licensed contractor?
-Yeah.

[Drew] Can you run through
the numbers for us?

[Sean] We bought it at 1.4.

-[Drew] Okay.
-[Sean] Right now my budget
is at $700,000.

That's including everything,

and hopefully,
our exit is going
to be 2.8. 2.9.

You know what
the prices are in this area?

-Yeah.
-Trying to get 2.8 or 2.9,

you're kind of
pushing beyond

what this market
will give, right?

Absolutely. I agree
that it is on the high end
of the comps,

but I know
that when you create
a good product, it sells.

Well, people will buy it
at the right price,
if you have it.

I mean, you could...
You could ask
$4 million for this.

-It's not going
to sell for that.
-Right.

I'm guessing if you're
putting $700,000 into this,

you're putting in
nice appliances,
great countertops.

You're adding
a lot of function, right?

Have you thought about
trying to find

a little bit of savings
to maybe come down

so that you're still
at a good high price point,

but you're not
pushing the limits.

So first of all,
no risk, no reward.

Um, but I've been
in this business
long enough to know that

if you want someone
to pay $3 million

or close to $3 million
for our project,

-you have to have top
of the line appliances.
-Mmm-hmm.

You have to have
nice flooring. You have
to have high ceilings.

Like those are things
that you can't compromise on.

The more you spend
on the finishes

and the more
you pay attention
to the style,

the more that generates
in return.

And, I believe that
if you deliver a good project,
there will be a buyer for it.

-And have you seen this yard?
-[Jonathan] Yeah.

-[Natalie] We have
over 11,000 square feet.
-I mean, yeah.

[Natalie] So again,
if you look at the comps,

maybe they
don't reach $3 million,

but they don't have
this kind of yard.

[Drew] Some people think
a good investment

is just how much money
you're making at the end.

But it's also
how much you're spending.

We'll see a project

where we have a budget
that we know
we can get this done

for half a million dollars
and somebody else comes in
and they do it for 1.2.

You're blowing money
out the window.

How long would it take you...

with a positive cash flow
to make back all the money

that you're spending?

I guarantee you,
these guys are spending
way more than they need to.

So what is it you want
to do to the garage and ADU?

[Natalie] We made it
a one bedroom,

-um, with a bathroom.
-[Drew] Can we take a peek?

-Yeah. Let's take a look.
-[Natalie] Yeah.

[Drew] All I care about is

what are the decisions
they're making

that are gonna
be good for a buyer?

So what we have here is,
that is the living area.

Uh, then we have a one bedroom

with a bathroom
for the bedroom.

And then we have
a secondary, like, powder room

that can be used...
that's gonna have double doors
that can be used

-just for the backyard--
-[Drew] For the pool?

-You really
thought this through.
-Yeah.

And then sliding glass doors

-to this little patio
for the ADU.
-[Jonathan] Yeah.

-Private patio for the ADU.
-[Natalie] Absolutely.

[Sean] Because we're putting
a basketball court over there.

-[Drew] Oh, really?
-[Sean] Yeah.

[Drew] Have you put
a basketball court in before?

-Tennis court.
Never a basketball court.
-[Drew] Okay.

So, right up
against the side wall
of the property,

you have to think of going

into the neighbor's yard
and everything all the time.

There are restrictions
for what you could do

-for partitions.
-Oh, didn't think
about it.

So just a couple
of things like that
to keep in mind.

What's the timeline
on getting this done?

Best case scenario,
about four and a half months,
we're done.

-Yeah. Worst case, six months.
-[both] Okay.

[Drew] Which, I mean,
for a full gut and a pool

and a basketball court,
all the landscaping

and the ADU
that's still in L.A.

That's still...

[Natalie] That is very,
very quick.

If you pass 100%
of your inspections

and you're just
not waiting around--

[Natalie] We have
everything lined up.

[Sean] Yeah, all our rough
material's already here.

-[Drew] Yeah.
-Like, there's no delays.

What... what is it you would
actually get from us...

being a part of this?
How would we help
if we backed you?

[Sean] For me,
it's an opportunity to

see things
that I will never
be able to see.

You're catching things
that I need

100 years more
of experience to see.

So as far as being more
efficient and seamless

and creating
the best product,

I think you guys
can assist us with that.

[Jonathan] I mean,
this project...

Massive undertaking.

-Yeah.
-Potentially massive profit.

Depends. We're not in
an ideal climate for that.

So that's where you start
to really wonder,

you know,
where am I overspending?

Am I hitting
the market right?

[Drew] You know this area
from a real estate
perspective.

Your extensive
construction experience
makes a big difference too.

You guys are very methodical,
which is very important,

and those
are the types of people
that we like to work with.

We'd be honored. [laughs]

I mean, we... We have
obviously other houses
to look at, and...

we want to make sure
we make the best decision
for who we're gonna back.

-You've got to pick...
you got to pick us.
-[both laugh]

-[Jonathan] Why? Why do
we have to pick you?
-You have to.

It doesn't feel like,
you maybe do need us.

First of all, we do need you,
and we need you desperately.

To be honest,
if you guys jump in
and help us

and give us your expertise
and help us
to finish material,

you actually can save us,
you can save our business.

Absolutely.
With your expertise

and your ability
to help us cut on costs

and know the market the way
that you guys know the market,

and we know that
you'd be an asset to us.

[Sean] Everything
is on the line.

This project,
if it's gonna
be not profitable,

if we're gonna lose money,
that's gonna handicap me

the opportunity
to buy more properties.

So that's gonna
make us or break us.

-Well, it's been a pleasure.
-Thank you so much.

-Thank you very much.
-Appreciate it. Thank you
for your time.

[Natalie] All right.
Thank you.

We have a lot to lose.

Our time is valuable.

We also have
a lot of money invested

into this specific project.

If the brothers
don't back us,

I feel like
we'd be missing out
on a huge opportunity.

[Jonathan] That... not what
I was expecting.

These guys
are really confident.

Although when I looked in
and saw this house,
I was thinking,

"Oh, no. What's this
money pit? What have
they gotten themselves into?"

-But at the end of the day,
actually, it's not too bad.
-[Drew] Yeah.

[Jonathan]
She said the one thing
that does scare me

is she wants to set the comp
with this project,

-which is what
somebody always says...
-Yeah.

...when they're looking
at the numbers

-and they know that they're
asking for a crazy price.
-Yeah.

But when you're
in a market right now,
it's not a hot market.

You don't want to be
the most expensive home.

Their target is $100,000
over the market cap
in this area,

but it's just a tough strategy
to be the top price.

Let's see some more houses.

[Jonathan] We're heading back
to North Hollywood.

There's a hotbed
of property investors
wanting our backing,

Our next pitch
is from Sheryl and Jasper,

a mother-daughter team
with lots of experience,

who are just getting into
multi-unit projects
for the first time.

That's it.
Behind the trees
over here.

[Jonathan] Okay. Looks great.

They are partway through
construction on a triplex,

but we've heard that progress
is at a standstill.

This is a big project.

It's the biggest
they've ever done.

So we want to see
what their sticking point is,
what the problem is.

So far, I like what I see.

Part of the appeal
in this area

is that you can walk
to shops and cafes.

But when Sheryl and Jasper
bought their triplex
on a major thoroughfare,

they didn't realize
it had commercial zoning.

[Sheryl] We're here developing
a four-story triplex.

I've been
in the real estate industry
for over 30 years,

and this project
has been very frustrating.

It has consumed my life.

[Jasper] It's like
we're in this
cycle of chaos.

The brothers coming in
would be life-changing for us,

-Oh. [chuckles]
-It looks a lot more
under construction from here.

It's deceiving from the front.

-Oh, inside as well.
We're all still studs.
-Okay.

-Hey. How are you?
-Hi. Hello, how are you?

Just hanging out
in garages.

-I'm Sheryl.
This is my daughter, Jasper.
-Hi, I'm Jasper.

I gave birth
to my business partner.
[laughs]

Walking up, the first thing
we both said, we're like,

"That's a good-looking
building."

[both exclaim in pleasure]

We have some issues. [laughs]

[Jasper] Lots of issues,
actually.

-[Drew] What are the issues?
-We've been at this
for two years.

-Yeah.
-[Jonathan] Oh, two years?

-It's been two years.
-Yes.

-Why so long?
-[Sheryl] It's
a residential building,

but they're treating it
as though it's commercial

because we're on
a busy street.

Yeah, we have
the same building
around the corner,

and it's not treated
as commercial.

[Sheryl] But that one's
an interior lot.

We learned
that the property

was turned
from residential
to commercial.

It was heartbreaking.
We had no idea
until we started

that we were gonna come up
against these extra costs.

[Jasper] It felt like
we were dropped
into deep water.

We know residential,
but this is a new ballgame.

[Sheryl] We've had to stop,
get plans approved again.

It just devastated us.

[Jonathan] You said this is
a building that you have
actually built elsewhere.

[Sheryl] Well,
it's under construction.
This one's further along.

-Can we look inside?
-[Sheryl] Absolutely.
Let's go.

[Jonathan] They're all about
the same size?

[Sheryl] There's two
1700 square feet,

and then the last one's
a little bit larger.

[Jonathan] Okay, so nothing
has been done on the inside?

[Sheryl] We're at drywall.

[Jonathan] Oh, so roughing's
all done on everything?

[Sheryl] Yes. Yeah, we've had
a tough time with that also.

For example,
these lighting fixtures?

We installed them,
got inspection
and had to take them all out.

We had to change them
to fire rated?
Things like that.

How much have
you wasted
on this project so far?

-I'd say close to $200,000.
-Mmm-hmm.

-200 grand.
-[Sheryl] Yes.

What's your... what's your
total budget for the build?

It was 1.1 million.

Oh, my gosh.
That's like 20%.

How much have you wasted
on this project so far?

-I'd say close to $ 200,000.
-Mmm-hmm.

-[Drew] Yeesh.
-[Jonathan] 200 grand.

What are you bringing
to the partnership here,

from experience
or family business?

My mom has been doing this
since I was two years old.

I grew up knowing
that I want
to work with my mom

until I studied accounting,
real estate.

I just completed
a program at USC

for commercial real estate,
and now--

-That's amazing.
-[both] Yeah.

[Sheryl] She's a lot
more organized than I am

and she's trying to get me--

[Jasper] Yeah, but there's
so many projects,

and it's just us two
that it's hard
to be organized.

It's heaven in the beginning,

total chaos in the middle,

and then wonderful
at the end.

All of them
have been like that.

-[Jonathan] Right.
-[Sheryl] And all
the bedrooms are upstairs.

Every bedroom has a bathroom.

[Jonathan] Is there a bathroom
on the living room level?

[Sheryl] There is
the powder room.

So you basically
have a bathroom here,

that room has a bathroom
and there's a hall bathroom
for this room?

- [Sheryl] Yes.
-[Jonathan] As long as they're
three functional bedrooms.

Once you start
to get too small,
it's not as appealing.

I can see how long
this building's
been sitting open.

Have you had any issues
with the rain?

-Oh, boy.
-It flooded...

-[Sheryl] Two times.
-[Jasper] Yeah.

[Sheryl] The deck was not
sealed properly

when the hard rains came.

Did that cost you
or was it covered?

They only charged me
$1500 to redo it
because they messed up.

The biggest mistake
you could make
is just anticipating that

-everybody's doing what
they're supposed to be doing.
-Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You have to stay
on top of it.

If I'm not gonna be
on every site every day,

I have to have crews there
that I trust.

[Drew] Trusted
go-to sub trades.

You have to have
those connections as well

if you want to have
a successful project.

-This is an
incredible space.
-[Sheryl] Yeah, I love it.

[Jonathan] This is amazing.

-[Jasper] Yeah.
-[Sheryl] Yeah, this kind of
sold us on the design.

Uh, are they all
exactly the same footprint?

-The last unit is larger.
-[Jasper] The last unit
is bigger.

-[Jonathan] The one
facing the view?
-[Sheryl laughs]Yes.

-No matter what, it's L.A.
-[Sheryl] It's L.A.

People love having
a great patio.

[Drew] This is
a huge value add.

-If you're wanting
to get top dollar rent...
-[Jasper] Mmm-hmm.

...you need to have features
like this to compete.

[Sheryl] This project
is by far

the most challenging
that I've ever done.

If it goes south,
it could ruin us.

So for this neighborhood,
do you know
what the rental rate is?

$5500 for two.

-And then $6000 for-- Yeah.
-For the last one.

Does that give you
a positive cash flow?

It does give
a positive cash flow.

It's about $5,500 a month.

-That covers your expenses,
your mortgage payment?
-[both] Yes. Yeah.

Eventually,
when you go to sell
what are you anticipating

your profit could be?

-$900. Somewhere around there.
-Yeah.

-How long would you
hold it as a rental?
-[Sheryl] For maybe a year.

Sell two units and keep one.

Why do you think
this is a good investment?
Why should we be involved?

Oh, wow.
I mean, I thought it was

a good investment
because of the neighborhood.

In a few years,

it's just gonna be
so amazing here.

-Why would you sell it
in one then?
-Yeah, exactly.

-You're right.
You're absolutely right.
-Yeah.

-I think she's afraid
of debt. And--
-I am afraid of debt.

I... I went through
the 2008 crash.

-Don't be afraid of debt.
-[Jasper] Mmm-hmm.

You actually can make
a better return

-when you're using
somebody else's money.
-[Sheryl] Okay.

-Even with
the interest calculated.
-[Jasper] Yeah.

Can you break down
all the numbers?

-So we purchased it
for $875,000.
-[Jasper] Yes.

All-in, the construction
will be about
one $1,250,000 or so.

So about $2 million
we're into it.

So you're $2 million all in.
Anything else
make you fearful

that you're not gonna
stay under $2 million?

Uh... her spending
on the finishes.

She's used to doing these
luxury homes in Encino,

putting very
expensive things in there.

But I don't think
that this calls for this.

I mean, we've kind of
been arguing about it.

She tries to reign you in,
but you don't listen to her.

-Not at all, she tells me
just stick with the numbers.
-[laughs]

She's the designer,
but I'm like, "The design
is part of the numbers."

-You're already $200,000
over budget.
-[both] Yes.

-All the finishing touches...
-[Sheryl] Right.

-...those are
the most expensive parts.
-Yeah.

-Why would you need us?
What would--
-[Sheryl] Why do we need you?

-Did you just hear everything
you just said to us?
-[laughs]

Are you kidding me?

-[Jasper] Yeah.
-[Sheryl] I mean, my God.

-Yeah.
-My whole thought process.

-I've been doing this
for a really long time.
-[Jasper] Mmm-hmm.

-So just now,
of course, we need you.
-[Jasper] Mmm-hmm.

We're doing everything
from A to Z

and it's just too much.
We need help.

-I feel like
I've been stuck for years...
-[Jasper] Oh, yeah.

...in this place
where everything is chaotic.

And there is a next level,
and I feel like

I can't get
to that next level

-with the way
I've been doing things.
-[Jasper] Mmm-hmm.

So I really want to learn
how to turn that page
and get to the next level.

If you had one thing

you could get from us
that would help this project?

Project management
and organization.

-Yeah.
-[Jonathan] Okay. Okay.

-Whether we back you
or not...
-[Sheryl] Yes.

...if you take any advice
away from right now,

you have got to get it done

and get it rented
so that
you're covering those costs.

There's a lot
for us to consider.

Kudos on everything
that you've built.

But you're still
not out of the woods yet.

-[laughs]
-Thank you so much.

-Thank you. Thank you.
-Nice to meet you.

-We'll talk to you soon.
-Watch those pitfalls.

-All right.
-We'll be in touch.

[Jasper] If the brothers
don't back us,

I'm afraid
that we're gonna stay
in this cycle of chaos.

Hopefully they back us.

[Sheryl] Our life savings
is in this project.

And it's on the line.

I like that
they actually have--

-They're this far along.
-[Jonathan] Yeah.

But, the problems they've had
that have delayed them.

-That's in the rearview mirror
now, so...
-[Drew] Yeah.

But the biggest problems
could be moving
from this point forward

because it sounds like
this is where

Sheryl really blows
budget continually.

[Jonathan]
They could really use
a helping hand.

That's impressive, though,

that they've done
as many projects
as they've done.

She's been doing it
since the the 90s,
but then,

-she lost everything
in the 2000s. Yeah.
-In 2008.

[Drew] Hopefully,
this isn't the project
that puts them back under.

[Jonathan]
It's kind of tricky.

It's apples and oranges.

You got Natalie and Sean,

single family,
detached home,
quiet neighborhood.

And then you've got
Jasper and Sheryl

with a multi-family complex

right on a busy highway,

but bordering
a great area in NoHo.

[Drew] The design
and everything
that Natalie talked about,

it sounds pretty great.

They have experience.
They know what they're doing.

They know what they're doing.
But they're making
classic mistakes,

like overestimating
what the final sale price
could be.

You're kind of pushing

beyond what this market
will give, right?

I agree
that it's on the high end
of the comps.

But no risk, no reward.

I think that
Sheryl and Jasper

are making more mistakes,
especially Sheryl.

She's been doing
this for years.

Yet she's at that point
where she's about
to start overspending

on all the materials
for the design

and really reduce
their margin.

She's used to doing these
luxury homes in Encino,

putting very
expensive things in there.

The only thing I think
they're being
very realistic with

is what they
could rent for.

I do think they could
get $5500 a month
for those units.

Both of them
will get the projects done.

I do feel like

it's harder
to maybe get Natalie

to listen to the advice
that we're giving.

I think she feels
very confident--

But Sheryl's been making
the same mistakes for decades.

I can see a stubbornness
with both Natalie and Sheryl.

[Jonathan] Okay.
I think I figured out

which project
would work better for me.

I think I know
who I wanna back.

[Jonathan] Okay.
I think I figured out

which project
would work better for me.

I think I know
who I want to back.

I think Sheryl and Jasper.

I agree with you.
I think they need it more.

They need us to break
through the next level.

That's actually how I feel
because there's more potential

for Jasper and Sheryl to fail
if they don't have our help.

I expect Natalie and Sean
will think twice

about their high sale price
now that
they've spoken with us.

And they'll find a way
to reduce costs

by maybe tapping
into Sean's
construction contacts.

They'll definitely learn
from this experience
and keep at it.

But we'll keep in touch
to offer advice
if they need any.

I think
Sheryl and Jasper's triplex

is a great
mentorship opportunity for us.

We like working
with experienced investors
whenever we can.

They just need
a project manager. Badly.

We've got Donnie coming off
the one project.

I think we should
actually have
one of our designers

-hop in, too.
-[Jonathan] Okay.

-Should we give him a call?
-[Drew] Yeah, yeah.
Let me just pull over.

[Jonathan] There's a window
where we have
some incredible trades,

some incredible designers,
people that could work

on something else for us
before the next
project begins.

That's the window
where I think these folks
can really benefit.

-Hello.
-[Drew] Hey.

-[both] Hi!
-[Sheryl chuckles]

[Jonathan] We have had
a lot of conversation

about where you guys are at,
so we want to back you guys.

[both squeal]

Thank you so much!

You're welcome.
You're welcome.
I'll be honest with you,

one other thing
that's really
important to us, Sheryl,

are you honestly willing

to stop making the mistakes
that you've made in the past

by overspending

and letting Jasper
take on some responsibility?

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes.

Jasper, do you believe her?

- I want to. [laughs]
-[Jonathan laughs]

I'm just excited
and I really want her
to do things

better than
I've done them.

So I'm grateful that you guys
are going to come in
and help us

-turn the page.
-Yeah. Thank you
guys so much.

We're gonna bring over
some of our trusted team
to work with you,

project manager, designer,
and we'll touch base

when we're gonna
get over there.

-[Jonathan]
See you soon, all right?
-Okay. Thank you!

-[Drew] Bye.
-[Jonathan] Bye, guys.

[upbeat instrumental music]

[Drew] We're gonna be
supporting these investors
in so many different ways.

Mentorship is the first part.

We want to make sure
that they can learn
from our experience.

Design, we wanna bring ideas
to the table
that will absolutely

blow the design
out of the water and give them
opportunity for more revenue.

[Jonathan] They're already
200 grand in the hole,

over and above
their original budget.

[Drew] And project management
is a massive part
of this deal, too.

We wanna make sure
that they're organized
the way we organize.

We do up to, what,
20-plus houses at a time?

We are very organized.

-Kelly. Donnie.
-[Donnie] Nice to meet you.

We have cherry picked
the problem-solvers

for the exact problems
you have.

-Oh, wow.
-Just to show you
how much we trust Donnie,

he has worked with us
for many, many years.

He actually did the project,
managing on my house,
my personal house,

on Jonathan's personal house.

And the place looks great.
Everything seems to be
tucked up

and well put together.

You've obviously
passed some inspections,

-and we're not starting
from scratch.
-[Sheryl] Yes, we have.

It's been brutal,
but, yes, we have.

Our first goal is to sit down
and see where, design-wise,

what's been established,
what's in production.

[Kelly] And you guys
are a little bit glamorous,

and if this is kind of
an investment property,

-we gotta scale back
on the glam.
-Okay.

So, I see we're wired
for a TV here. Is that
the final spot?

[Sheryl] That's not
the final spot.

No, the plan was to have
the sofa and chairs
go this way.

And that's why I wanted
a television and built-in
that way.

[Kelly] That's definitely
the best wall for it,

because having
custom built-ins is great.
It really reduces the clutter.

And, then, it creates
a focal point
for leisure activities

like TV, books, games.

[Drew] I agree. This is
the kind of living space
renters will pay for.

You really need to communicate
what that plan is and have
that information here.

You know, if we see
what the furniture layout is,
we would know

-that there's no reason
for a TV on that wall.
-No reason for that.

I think one thing
that we can do is really
communicate the information

and have printouts
on the wall.

If your subs know
the design plan,

they'll know exactly where
things need to be installed.

All they need to do
is tape a plan up on the wall

and everyone will know
where things need to go.

[Jonathan] So,
it's a three-bed,
four-bath townhouse.

-[Sheryl] Right.
-[Jonathan] And you've planned
for decent-sized closet space?

[Sheryl] Yes.

[Drew] And were you planning
on doing custom vanities
and things like that?

[Sheryl] I always do it,
but it doesn't mean I have to.

All of the renderings
and the things that I'm seeing
that you guys have sent over

is very grays
and blacks and whites.

Well, that's great because
we wanna appeal to everybody.

That design aesthetic,
is that both of yours,

-or is that what you wanted?
-It's her.

How about yourself?
What would you like to see

if it wasn't just
the black and white?

I like the black and white,
but I do wanna see a pop
of color every now and then.

-Yeah.
-[Kelly] Okay. Okay.

[Drew] Sheryl and Jasper
are experienced investors.

They don't need us to provide
a lot of materials,

like some other investors
that we back.

[Jonathan] We don't think
that would be a good use
of our resources.

They need mentorship
more than anything.

So, Drew and I are gonna
cover the cost of Kelly
and Donnie's services

for the next ten weeks.

If Donnie and Kelly
can't handle it,

I don't think
anybody can handle it.

[upbeat instrumental music]

[Jonathan] This triplex
is Sheryl and Jasper's

first ever
commercial property.

-Hey. How are you guys?
-[Sheryl] Hey. How are you?

-Hello!
-Good.

[Jonathan] Meeting
some of the code requirements
set their schedule back,

and they still have
some inspections to pass.

All three units of the triplex
are at different stages.

Donnie and Kelly
can only be here
for ten weeks,

so we're counting on Donnie's
project management skills
to get this done on time.

[Donnie] So, I noticed
that one unit was insulated

and they're coming
to inspect that.

But do they do that
unit by unit or...

I'm hoping
he can look at one

and give us a pass.
I don't know
until he gets here.

We never know
who we're gonna get
and what it's gonna be.

[Jonathan] If you wanna get in
the real estate game,

you are gonna figure out
real fast, fair doesn't exist.

Anybody could come in,
whether it's an inspector,

planning department,
whatever it is,

and they can change rules,

they can make decisions
that impact your bottom line.

[Donnie] In order to hit
our critical deadlines,

I wanna help you
in three ways.

If one is schedule,
which I think you have
a very, like, linear schedule.

But it needs to be flexible
and lot more detailed

so that, if things
move forward or back,

-we can easily adjust.
-Okay.

And then, second,
we need to amortize materials,

which I know
we're going over with Kelly.

Amortizing the materials,
I have issues with

because I drywall and, then,
I come in and look at it

and, then, I start designing
at that point.

But that's not
what we should be doing.

It should be done before,
is what you're saying?

Especially with this one
being so behind schedule

and critical that you guys
stay the course
for financial reasons

-and for many other reasons.
-[chuckling] Okay. All right.

[Donnie] Not ordering
design materials
until the drywall is up

is a huge mistake.

It can leave your projects
sitting for weeks

while you're waiting
for product to come in.

-[Sheryl] Hi, Humberto!
-[Humberto] Hi, Sheryl.

-[Jasper] Hello!
-[Humberto] Hello.

-[Donnie] Oh, we got tile guy.
-[Sheryl] We have tile, yeah.
We're getting ready for that.

-Got all your measurements?
-Yup.

-Okay. So, we'll just
tile this wall here.
-[Humberto] Okay.

And shower pavement
is small tile?

-Yeah, two-by-two.
-Okay, two-by-two. Okay.

-Yeah. That, for sure.
-Got it.

-And then this wall. Here.
-Okay.

We have 13 bathrooms.

How long
do you think it'll take?

-One month and a half,
something like that.
-A month?

-[laughing] Yeah,
a month or two.
-[Sheryl] Humberto.

Yeah, it's a lot of work.

[Sheryl] How long do you think
it'll take you?

-One month and a half,
something like that.
-A month?

Is there an opportunity
to bring in multiple crews
and kind of stack them up?

[Humberto] Yup.
Yeah, I like that.

Okay. How many crews
would you bring?

Eight guys
working the four bathrooms
at a time.

-Four. So, basically,
one unit, one unit, one unit.
-One unit, yup.

[Donnie] I think
that's a great plan,

which I would say
they would come into
unit three

-to stake his drywalls
further there.
-[Sheryl] Right.

So, as we stack them,

-making sure they have
enough room to work as well.
-Okay.

[Donnie] So, by Monday,
we would need to have

-all our materials here
and ready for you?
-Yup.

So, we'll just have to work
with Kelly and get that
in our schedule, too,

and have a stack in each unit.

So boom, boom, boom,
we can get going.

-We have a meeting
with her next. [chuckles]
-[Donnie] Yes. Let's do it.

-Okay.
-Okay.

[intriguing
instrumental music]

[Kelly] I am taking
Sheryl and Jasper
to a stone yard.

They are way behind schedule
with a ballooning budget,

so I really need to teach them
how to change
their spending habits,

and I need to do it fast.

They're gonna pick out
their countertops,
and I wanna show Sheryl

how she can still get
those gorgeous slabs
that she wants,

but still stay
within budget.

They have this amazing
back warehouse

that I don't think
she knew about,

and it's an easy way for us
to get that return
on our investment

without spending
a gazillion dollars.

-Slabs as far as
we can see, right?
-Yes.

[Kelly] This is not
the section that we're
going to be purchasing from.

-[Jasper] No?
-[Sheryl] Okay.

This section here
is the expensive section.

-[Sheryl] Okay.
-[Kelly] Natural stone
is the most expensive,

so we're not gonna use that.

I absolutely love
the back room
in the stone warehouse

because it is where
you find the best deals.

The same quality materials

-as the stuff we'll find
out there.
-[Sheryl] Right.

-[Jasper] Okay.
-[Kelly] It's just less of it.

-[Jasper] Oh, okay.
-So, this has a chunk
taken out of it.

So, obviously,
we can't use this
as a full slab.

-[Sheryl] All right.
-Let's just say
we wanted to cut it off.

We could use it as an island.

-We could use it as
a vanity top if we chose to.
-[Jasper] Yeah.

No, that makes so much sense,
'cause we would've definitely
just walked right past it.

You know what?
I always look for things
with imperfections like that.

I like something like this.

-[Jasper] Oh, I like this.
-[Sheryl] This one?

I like it, but everyone
has this in their home.

This is definitely
not gonna set us apart.

You can have five new homes
and they all have
the same things.

What I want in my properties
is something different.

You wanna build
for the masses,

-but you also wanna have
your own identity.
-[Sheryl] Yes.

-And, so, you want something
that looks custom...
-Yes.

-[Kelly] ...but doesn't have
a custom price tag.
-Exactly. You're right.

We'll just avoid the stuff
that makes it look
cookie cutter,

-like that.
-Okay. Yes.

Whereas this one right here...

-[Jasper] Ooh!
-[Sheryl] Oh!

Well, I think
we might have found something.

-I'm loving this.
-[Jasper] I love that.

-The colors and the movement,
oh, my gosh.
-You love this.

-[Sheryl] I love it. Yes.
-[Jasper] Yeah.

-When you look here,
there's only two slabs.
-Okay.

I'm assuming that this is
probably all they have left.

-[Sheryl] Okay.
-And this is the reason
why it's in here.

-[both exclaiming]
-Which means this is how
we're gonna get the discount.

-Okay.
-[Kelly] Slab one.

-[Jasper] Slab one. Okay,
we're making some progress.
-[Kelly] Okay?

We have three units,
so we're using two of these?
Are we using one of these?

-Let's use two of those.
-Okay.

-So, let's go
around the corner.
-[Sheryl] Okay.

There's one that looks
exactly like this.

-[Sheryl] Okay, let's see it.
-[Kelly] And it's also
porcelain, which is good.

Kelly has opened up our eyes
to a whole new world.

It's gonna make
a huge difference
going forward for us.

Natural stone
is so very difficult
to have with renters...

-Right.
-...because you have to
seal it all the time.

And if you don't do that,
then it's damaged.

-But this one,
which I saw before...
-Okay, I like it.

-...is porcelain.
-Yes.

Super durable.
A little less busy
than the other, which I like.

So, we can do two of the slabs
that we found in there.

-[both] Okay.
-And, then, we'll do
one of these.

-[Sheryl] Yes.
-All being porcelain,
super-durable,

renter-friendly.

-[Sheryl] It's beautiful.
-[Jasper] No, it's perfect.

I think we knocked
this back warehouse
out of the park.

[all cheering]

I mean, you did so good.

[all] Go to
the back warehouse!

-[Sheryl] Got it.
-[all laughing]

-All right.
-[Sheryl] Going forward,
it's gonna be exciting

to give our buyers,
or renters, quality

without paying a lot for it.

We're reeling you in,
but we're not compromising
on quality.

[intriguing
instrumental music]

[cell phone ringing]

[Jonathan] Hey,
what's happening?

[Donnie on call] Calling
with not the best news.

The problems
that Sheryl's having

with the conversion
between residential
and commercial building,

well, they came back
after approving
her fire sprinkler system.

And the inspector notices
that there wasn't
the precaution

taken on these shared walls
to keep fire from jumping.

The drywall in the first unit
was complete.

Now, some of that
has to be walked back

and make sure, you know,
we've got all the plugs
and electrical

wrapped with fireproofing.

So, I'm just worried
about timeline.

How much of our drywall
do we have to undo?

[Donnie] 20%.

But we are looking
at a good three-week delay.

[groans]

[Donnie] We are looking
at a good three-week
delay on the timeline.

[groans]

[Donnie] It just feels like
we're getting a little
further and further behind.

[Jonathan] We can't have that,
'cause we only have you
for ten weeks.

Then, we're moving you
on to another project.

Okay. I mean,
that has to get done

if that's what
they're calling for.

We are gonna be ready
to attack it

from a perspective of having
everything on site
ready to go.

-Okay, sounds good.
Thanks for letting me know.
-[Donnie] All right.

-Bye.
-[Donnie] Talk to you soon.

[Jonathan] Our ten-week
timeline just became 13

while we do
all the electrical upgrades
to pass inspection,

which is unfortunate,
'cause that's gonna cost
Drew and me

to cover the construction
manager and designer
for that extra three weeks.

We're gonna see this project
through to the end.

It's just a mistake
that is gonna cost us
a lot of time and money.

[upbeat instrumental music]

Do you remember
Isabel and James?

They had the vacation property
in NoHo.

-How could I forget?
-Five kids.

They were a little stubborn.
They didn't listen to us

with a lot of things
that would have been helpful.

James. Nice to meet you.
Thank you for coming.

Our goal with this property
was to build
an apartment building.

After spending tons of money,
the city eventually said no.

And it cost you how much?

-Over $100,000.
-Oh, my gosh!

[Jonathan] You did not
take our advice.

You framed for five bedrooms.
You didn't go for four.

They weren't paying for it,
we are.

I was talking to them,
and the rental
has been totally successful.

Constantly booked up.
They've recouped
a lot of that income.

They actually
were able to pull out
a bunch of the money.

And, now,
they're in a position

where they have some funds
to get another place.

Oh, my gosh,
you guys! Incredible!

When we met, their original
goal was to find
a multi-unit property.

They're already
out there looking.

They didn't outright
ask for help.

We can't say thank you enough.

-[Isabel] Thank you.
-All right.

[Jonathan] But I wanna
help them because we just
got them

out of this huge
financial hole.

I don't want them
falling into a new one.

It would be nice
to actually be able
to give them a little guidance

with what they were
actually trying
to get into originally,

with a multi-family property.

We're waiting on Sheryl's
triplex inspection.

So, if you wanna carve out
some time to help them,
go for it.

[Jonathan] Sure.

[intriguing
instrumental music]

James and Isabel have $345,000
total for a down payment
and renovations

for what is, or could become,
a multi-family rental
with zero zoning issues.

Drew sent some listings,
and they've already seen
some of those.

But there are two properties
that really caught their eye.

With their budget,
and being in LA,

they're severely limited
on what's out there.

But I'm showing them
the property I would invest in
if it was me.

This is three units,
one bed, one bath
in the back.

There's two of those.
And, then, there's a studio
up front.

1.295 for the list price.

-Why don't we hop in
and we'll take a look?
-Let's see.

[James] Now that
we've come out ahead on that
almost-disaster property,

what's really at stake for us
with this new
investment search

is not getting
another dud property.

We need to find one
that will make money,
not cost us money.

Absolutely. We can't get into
that again.

Uh-huh. Wow, okay.

[James] Well,
this is a nice studio.

When I think of a studio,
I think of the teeniest,
tiniest space.

I lived in a studio
in South Korea for a year,
and I'm not joking,

-it was, like,
200 square feet.
-Well, this is much bigger.

So, it's like,
this has an actual kitchen.

[Jonathan] Usually,
when I come into a building,

I'm looking at something
that's gonna rent right away,
and rent fast.

-Well, your walkability
is great right here.
-[James] Yeah.

The size is good.
This will actually be
quite nice for somebody.

Current comps right now
are about $1,800.

The one advantage you have
with this building
is it's completely vacant.

Whatever you want to target
for your rent, now is the time
to do it.

[James] What I look for
in an investment property

is simply its ability
to make money.

I don't care if it's pretty.
I don't care where it is.

If it's gonna make money,
then that's a good investment.

So, this one's furnished
a little bit.

Studio unit was 435.
These are 522.

This is the unit
that would require
a new kitchen.

These cabinets look like
they're about to fall off
the wall, so...

I mean, we could just paint
the original cabinets

and, then,
put new upper cabinets.
That would save money.

[Jonathan] I would probably
keep it in the budget

to do really nice kitchen
in here for 30 grand.

I usually end up doing
a little bit more up front
than I probably need to do

because I like to know
that a tenant's gonna come in,
have a little bit of pride

in where they live,
and they'll stay longer.

I think this is one of those
Jonathan suggestions

-that we may not take.
-[James] Yes.

-And, then, the bedrooms
actually are really nice.
-It's sizeable.

[James] Big
for this space, yeah.

-[Jonathan] Bathroom
is what it is.
-[Isabel] Needs work.

[Jonathan] This would be
pretty easy to clean it all up
and make it really shine.

All right,
let's check downstairs.

This property
is not necessarily turnkey.

There's still a bit of work
that has to happen.

A kitchen
that needs to be redone.

But it's not like this is
a six-month renovation.

They could get in here,
rent some of these units,
be cash positive right away.

This one's also furnished.

This actually looks
more spacious
than the one upstairs.

It's a slightly different
footprint. It doesn't have
the breakfast bar.

[James] It's a little darker
than the upstairs one,
being down.

This is a really big couch
for the room,

-but it shows you could have
all of your friends over.
-[Jonathan] Exactly.

-It's a tight kitchen.
It's pretty functional.
-[Isabel] It's very European.

Yeah. The one thing
on a building like this

that I would dive into
and double check is,

I'd make sure
that there wasn't
any unpermitted work.

I can tell
there's no hood here,
so no inspector came through.

I'd look at the power

and the connections
and see how everything
was done.

If you started upgrading
all of the electrical,

you're looking
at another 20 grand.

[James] It's charming,
it's romantic,
but it needs work.

-We might have to spend
too much money on this one...
-Too much.

-...and the whole point
of this is to make money.
-Absolutely.

Overall, the building
is in pretty great shape.

Right off the bat,
you'd be making
about $1,800 for the studio,

and about $2,200
for the one-bedrooms.

You'd be clearing
75 grand annually.

$195,000 down,
plus 150 grand into it.

I don't think I'd put 50 grand
into it. I would go for
as little as possible.

I'm not attracted to the idea
of investing money into it.

-If we're gonna buy this,
I want to rent it right away.
-I agree.

-Hey, hey! Got a minute?
-[Drew on call] I do.

So, I just finished touring

James and Isabel
through a couple
of properties.

-[Drew] Okay.
-And I can tell that they're
not really listening to me.

They dream up in their head
this exact thing
that they're looking for

and, then, they're trying
to materialize it
in the world.

Not how the world works.

You're gonna have to do
a little bit of work

to any building
that you pick up.

Not how the world works.
You're gonna have to do

a little bit of work
to any building
that you pick up.

[Drew on call] Yeah, honestly,
it's fine. I'll get you
some more options.

I'll maybe find you one
that's a different location,

something a little
cheaper, possibly.

Minimal work
needing to be done.

[Drew] To each their own,
but we'll find something
that could work.

If you can find it,
I'll tour it.

-[Drew] All right. Ciao.
-All right. Ciao.

[upbeat instrumental music]

James and Isabel are hesitant
about taking on
another renovation,

but they're forgetting
that if they renovate now,
they're gonna get higher rent

and the value of the building
is gonna be higher

if they do ever go
to resell in the future.

But, right now,
I'm showing them a property
in North Hollywood.

This is a five-bedroom,
two-bathroom home,
with a double garage.

You could walk in here
right now, with no money
out of pocket for renovation.

You would get
about $63,000 a year rent.

But if you're willing
to do work, and if you have
a little patience,

you could almost double
what you get
out of this place.

-Double?
-[all laughing]

[Jonathan] Okay.

-Wow.
-So, pretty good size.

Yeah! You walk in,
it's open, you see
right into the kitchen.

[Jonathan] The space itself,
this is an interesting one.

So, legally,
this is a single-family home.

-[Isabel] Okay.
-Five bedrooms,
two bathrooms.

However, the way
it's laid out,

you could actually divide it
into two separate suites

by just closing this off
and adding a kitchen
in the back.

-[Isabel] Wow.
-Okay.

That would give you
a three-bed, one-bath
at the front,

-and a two-bed,
one-bath at the back.
-That's really good.

[Jonathan] So,
for your kitchen...

I think this is
an attractive kitchen
to a renter.

-It's open to the living room.
-[Isabel] For renting,
it's quite okay.

[James] Yeah.

Down the hall,
there's three bedrooms.

This is a prime example
of somebody who has divided up

what was probably, originally,
fewer bedrooms.

If you did split this off,

it would be a three-bedroom,
one-bath up front here,

-but they are very small.
-Yeah.

[Jonathan] This would not work
for some people.

Bathroom has had
some not great work done.

You can see, they reduced
the window at one point.

I don't think you could expect
premium rent.

It's not luxury,
but it is functional.

-Then, if you go down
this hallway...
-[James] All right.

[Jonathan] So,
this is two beds,
one bath down here.

Look at the size
of the bedrooms back here.
Bigger closet.

[James] Bigger bathroom.

If you rented this
as a five-bedroom,

you're only gonna get
about 63 grand.

You rent this
as two separate suites,

you'd actually get closer
to $85,000 a year.

-[Isabel] Oh, yeah. Wow.
-[Jonathan] Look at the size
of this yard.

-[Isabel] Wow.
-[James] And
it's low-maintenance.

It could be split
down the middle for this unit
and for these folks, too.

[Jonathan] There's definitely
opportunity here.

My estimate is, you could have
everything done legally

and finished
in less than six months.

The permits would take
the longest time.

These properties
that we looked at

have something interesting
in the numbers.

They have different risks,
but they also have
different rewards.

You're getting
a lot of square footage
for here.

And you're getting
bigger units
for significantly less money.

-[Isabel] Yes.
-[James] Each unit,
you can rent it for more.

There's a lot you can do here.
North Hollywood is hot.

[James] And splitting it
would be pretty easy.

But given
our recent experience,

and getting stuck
in North Hollywood

with a property that doesn't
generate the income
that we wanted,

I would not invest here.

I wanna try a better area.
I love the Burbank property.

-It's cozy. It's quaint.
-[James] It's romantic.

[Isabel] Great area.

[Jonathan] Okay,
but do you agree

that you have to spend
on some renovations?

[James] I agree. I think
we could invest an appropriate
amount of money

to make people come in,
want to rent it
and, then, stay in it,

-and be happy.
-It would make me excited
to work on it.

It would make me excited
to rent it.

-It's a different type
of renter.
-Yeah.

Burbank, I think, is always
going to be rentable.

-And it's Burbank.
It's always gonna grow up.
-It's Burbank, it's nice.

-[Isabel] I wanna
put an offer.
-[James] I agree.

I think it's gonna be
the easiest to rent
and keep renters.

[Jonathan] Exactly. And that's
a good thing.

I love it when you guys
come together on a decision.

They went with Burbank,
which I think
is a great decision

because the value there
is solid.

Regardless of whether or not
they actually get this place,

as a mentor, I feel
a lot better

knowing I've given them
a little extra guidance.

I feel like James and Isabel
have the tools that they need.

They're developing the skills
that are critical.

I just hope they continue
to understand

the value of spending
the right amount of money
on their investments,

so they can continue
to build their business.

[Isabel] This is what we do
for a living, to raise
our family,

to spend time with our kids,
to spend time together.

It's a risky choice we made.

After feeling for
a really long time, defeated,

this is the first time
I feel excitement

-for moving on
into our next journey.
-Ah, yes. Yes.

Whether or not
we back an investor,
we like to stay in touch.

And we just heard
from Natalie and Sean.

Now, we gave them the advice,
"Reduce your spending."

Unfortunately, they increased
their reno budget
by 350 grand,

which means
their potential profit,
if they sell for 2.9 million,

will only be 400 grand.

So, not bad, not great.

Hopefully, on the next one,
they'll take our advice.

Next time on
Backed by the Bros...

The size that this project
has become, we're nowhere
near complete.

We're gonna lose
Donnie and Kelly.

They have to move on
to other projects.

This is the kind of thing
that just really
kills a budget.

-[Jasper] We have a problem.
-[Sheryl] Where
are the closets?

-In all of the units.
-Oh, my goodness.

This is our family business,
and we've put so much
into this.

I'm nervous
to really see if it delivers
what my dream is.

Whoa.