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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,080 This programme contains some strong language 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,160 What did I want to be when I grew up? I wanted to be adored. 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,680 # Please, please tell me now 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,600 # Is there something I should know? # 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,600 I was just, like, perpetually excited. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,560 1981, it was just so much fun. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,440 That's what New Romantic was, wearing that on the 50 bus. 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,760 What teenage girl didn't have a crush 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,800 on every single guy in that band? 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,720 There's one person who threw three bras onstage. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,360 And two pairs of knickers, I thought, 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,960 "She's definitely not wearing any underwear now!" 13 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:38,760 Every time you tried to move, 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,440 there'd be 200 teenage girls trying to rip you apart. 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,200 # Girls on film. # 16 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,480 Duran Duran is my life. 17 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:51,600 Waiting for them outside of BBC, they never noticed me. 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Nobody really wanted to give me credit for the fact 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,160 that everybody was a great musician. 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,520 I feel like Duran Duran is my second band. 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,840 # Her name is Rio... # 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 The demands on us had become absurd. 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,640 It's like one of those rat wheels isn't it? 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,640 And you've just got to be king rats sometimes and say, "Bollocks, 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,560 I'm jumping off." 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,880 The atmosphere was completely toxic. 27 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,080 We just had a few years of, "'80s band, '80s band." 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,040 I think they just saw the boat going the other way down the river 29 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,440 with all their money on it. 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,320 Imagine to be in a band like Duran Duran 31 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:32,440 and have the career that they've had. 32 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,600 That's like the ultimate dream. 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,920 # No-no notorious. # 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:54,800 MUSIC: Planet Earth by Duran Duran 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,320 For me, all of our albums define different stages in our career. 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,880 The first album was our game plan. 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,800 # Only came outside to watch the night fall with the rain... # 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,400 The way we are on that first album, 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,040 we're all playing the best that we could play. 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,240 We're all just playing every note we know. 41 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,240 Planet Earth was the energy of rock music and punk. 42 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,320 And strong melody, we all loved melodies, good songs, 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,880 that's what it was about. 44 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:53,200 Ooh, it smells odd. Jesus! 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,520 Bit decrepit. 46 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,920 THEY LAUGH 47 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:01,600 Oh, come on, Roger. 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,840 Let's get cosy! Snuggle up in the back. 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Put your seat belt on. Well, if you're driving, I will. 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,520 He's actually driving it? Oh, no. 51 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,200 That's what I said! I'm in the danger seat. 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,160 You're fine there. So it appears that in here, 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,040 our very first demo in Birmingham for our first album. 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,000 MUSIC: Faster Than Light (Demo) by Duran Duran 55 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,680 It's Faster Than Light! It is. 56 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,560 # White light shining 57 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,040 # You're all alone... 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,760 # The light. 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,160 # Faster than light! 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,480 # Faster than light. # 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,120 I think last time we were in a Citroen was probably, 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,120 together, maybe 1982. 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,880 I don't know how we came across the first Citroen but it was like 64 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,080 the perfect car for Duran Duran. 65 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,440 It was super fast and it was super comfortable. 66 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,040 I don't remember where we got the first one from. 67 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,200 We bought the second one. Buying the second one was a major commitment. 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,600 To success. 69 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,480 We don't know what else is on here. Let's have a look. 70 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,800 MUSIC: Anyone Out There (Demo) by Duran Duran 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,200 Andy's playing. Car's shaking! 72 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Andy's playing was very economical, wasn't it? 73 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Yeah, but that was so great. 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,160 He played essential guitar. 75 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,800 # I never found out what made you leave... # 76 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,360 That's a loud vocal. Wow, I hate it, the vocal's horrible! 77 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,120 So loud! Horrible vocal! 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,560 Stop it! 79 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,520 MUSIC: White Riot by The Clash 80 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,840 We really became brothers. 81 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,400 We were both single kids. We didn't have any siblings. 82 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,280 We lived a few hundred metres away from each other 83 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,360 in Hollywood, Birmingham. 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,680 There was a lot of other kids at school that loved music. 85 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,720 Not as much as we did, that's what we thought. 86 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,840 MUSIC: I'm The One by Mick Ronson 87 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Blondie, Talking Heads, Patti Smith, Roxy Music. 88 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,400 We saw lots and lots of times. 89 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,840 I took John to his first concert. 90 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:30,240 It was in April, 1974. 91 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:36,680 And it was actually Mick Ronson and cost us £1.35 each. 92 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,160 Every time we went to a show, 93 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,120 John and I used to count the trucks outside at the back of the show 94 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,040 and figure out how many lights they had 95 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,840 and how much sound and think how many we needed 96 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,240 to make what we were going to do happen. 97 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,280 MUSIC: Anyone Out There by Duran Duran 98 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,320 My dad was a manual worker. My dad worked at the Rover, 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,040 so it was very much expected that I would remain a manual worker. 100 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,360 I didn't think it was a great way of life. 101 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,080 I wanted to do something different. 102 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,800 I had this dream of being in a band. 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,520 Birmingham was a very small world in those days. 104 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,720 And anybody who was kind of any good, you know, you'd hear about. 105 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,440 So I think John and Nick had heard about me. 106 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,720 And I'd heard about Duran Duran. 107 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:35,360 We were rehearsing at this squat in Cheapside. 108 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,000 It was kind of like the armpit of Birmingham down here, 109 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,720 this really is the spiritual home of Duran Duran, right here. 110 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Roger is the most likeable person you'll ever meet in this business. 111 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Right away, we clicked. 112 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,600 I just set my drums up and started jamming. 113 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,320 And they said, "Come back next week." 114 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,560 So I must have got the gig. 115 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,880 So this is really my...moment, 116 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,080 is just walking through that door right there. 117 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,800 MUSIC CONTINUES 118 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,760 # Outside 119 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,400 # Is there anyone out there? # 120 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,000 You're 19 years old. 121 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,200 It's like walking into a space rocket. 122 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,760 It took me all over the world. Kind of everything I have, 123 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,240 really, that's good in life, is a result of walking through that... 124 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,680 ...through that door there. 125 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,400 # Look out of the window 126 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,440 # Maybe you can call by my name. # 127 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,800 Birmingham at that time 128 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,440 might as well have been the centre of the world. 129 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,760 I don't feel like... It WAS the centre of our world. 130 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,440 I don't feel like we ever thought, 131 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,960 "Oh, man, I wish we lived in London." 132 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,000 MUSIC: Shadows On Your Side by Duran Duran 133 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,840 The Rum Runner was sort of like the premiere New Romantic club 134 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,960 in Birmingham where everybody went. 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,440 It had this really big kind of entrance. 136 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,960 It was like a big corridor that was almost like a catwalk. 137 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,000 It really was just about showing off. 138 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,240 It was about going out, getting your photo taken. 139 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,080 It was just about getting attention. 140 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,400 This is where we found somewhere to rehearse, 141 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,120 this is where we found our management, 142 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,640 this is where we found Andy. 143 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,920 This is where we found Simon. 144 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,280 This was like our Cavern, in a way. 145 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,600 So I guess within about a month of having gone to the Rum Runner, 146 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,160 suddenly it's Nick, me and Rog. 147 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,800 And now we're planning world domination, 148 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,840 although we don't have a guitar player and a singer, 149 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,880 but we've still got... This is like, this is the core. 150 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,640 We were looking for a guitar player 151 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,520 that could play like Nile Rodgers funk 152 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,360 but could play like Mick Ronson lead 153 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,680 and there weren't that many who could do that. 154 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,520 Andy came down from Newcastle. 155 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,600 We joke about his style, you know, 156 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,360 cos that wasn't his thing but he'd thought about music 157 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,760 and he just right away brought a... He took us to another level. 158 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,800 MUSIC: Astronaut by Duran Duran 159 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,000 # Groovin' out to X-Ray Spex... # 160 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,680 We all had jobs here. 161 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:24,840 Doing different things. Nick got the DJ job, John worked on the door, 162 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,120 I worked behind the bar 163 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,680 and I remember Simon comes walking down one day 164 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,520 and that was our first meeting. 165 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,880 And he said his name was Simon Le Bon. 166 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,120 We sort of didn't believe that was his real name 167 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,880 but anyway, it turned out it was. 168 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,160 And he has a lyric book with him. 169 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,280 Well, this was the Holy Grail. 170 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,480 There were things in there, we started reading through it, "Wow." 171 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,320 "This would be perfect if only he can sing." 172 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,600 # All alone ain't much fun 173 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,000 # So you're looking for the thrill. # 174 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,560 When he started singing, it was crazy. 175 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:06,000 It was just one of those fantastic eureka moments. 176 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,360 # Don't say a prayer for me now 177 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,240 # Save it till the morning after 178 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,560 # No, don't say a prayer for me now 179 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:26,280 # Save it til the morning after. # 180 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,760 I thought, "This guy's a star." 181 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,400 He was tall, he was well put together and he was really smart. 182 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,680 And he's a poet, Simon, you know, so at that time, particularly, 183 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,400 he was always writing words. 184 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,600 The gold dust of the music business is words on paper, 185 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,880 whatever anybody else will tell you about grooves or notes, 186 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,480 it's all about those lyrics. 187 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:51,920 # Any other day and you might have gone walking by 188 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,120 # Without a second look 189 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,080 # Any other way 190 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,800 # But I'm still mystified 191 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,080 # I'm just trying to change my luck. # 192 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,680 I'm going to take you to the church 193 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,800 because we're going to go and see Mr Turvey. 194 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,000 My old choirmaster. 195 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,920 # And nobody knows 196 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,760 # What's going to happen tomorrow. # 197 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,960 This is the beautiful Church of Saint John the Baptist, Pinner. 198 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,080 This is where I was a choir boy for four years. 199 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,640 This place had a huge effect on my musical development. 200 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,240 I grew to love church music and the intricacies of it, 201 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,960 and the harmonies. 202 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,320 So this is where I spent a lot of time, sitting right here. 203 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,440 Yep. There'd be somebody there who was better than me. 204 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Until for a very brief time, I became the one who sat here. 205 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,920 So this is myself and you, performing 206 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,040 O For The Wings Of A Dove. In this particular place. 207 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,440 Yes, right, right here. 208 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,240 # O, for the wings, 209 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,880 # For the wings of a dove 210 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,640 HIGH NOTE: # Far away... # 211 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,160 Yeah. # Far away would I roam... # 212 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,800 I didn't quite get my breathing right there. No. 213 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,200 I was running out of breath. Yes, there's a long note coming up. 214 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,920 Yeah, oh, totally out of breath. 215 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,640 That's it. 216 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,680 # Far away 217 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,200 # Far away... # 218 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,240 I'm a little bit ahead of the beat as well. 219 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,160 Just a fraction. That's something that I've worked 220 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,840 for decades to try and overcome, actually. Yeah. 221 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,880 MUSIC CONTINUES 222 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,720 HIGH NOTE That's my favourite note in it, that one. 223 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,440 You got it right that time. Yeah. 224 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,920 THEY LAUGH 225 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,080 # And remain there for ever. # 226 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,160 MUSIC: Friends Of Mine by Duran Duran 227 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,280 We thought we were so great, didn't we? 228 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,320 We thought that we were going to take over the world. 229 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,680 I don't think we were arrogant, though. Well, at the time, 230 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,600 we were young. We were teenagers. I was 17. 231 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,160 We were a lot more alike then. 232 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,960 We were really birds of a feather. And we had a... 233 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,560 And our dress really, I think, helped define us, in a way. 234 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,000 Charlie, you had some theatrical things, 235 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,520 there was like some grey velvet thing that you had. 236 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,040 Grey velvet with purple slashing. 237 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,760 It was right out of A Midsummer Night's Dream, really. Yeah, it was. 238 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,280 Oh, my goodness. With the bells? 239 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,200 It had bells on it. You'd see him coming down the corridor with bells. 240 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Well, that was one of the things that was great about that period, 241 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,440 actually, none of us were afraid of colour. Except Roger. Except Roger! 242 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,720 He just used to wear black. 243 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,600 I was completely afraid of it. 244 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,640 MUSIC: Skin Trade by Duran Duran 245 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,120 Yeah, punk rock. 246 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,280 You look like you should be in Wham! 247 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Very nice, Roger! 248 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Baby, I'm your man! 249 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,080 I dread to think what mine is. Oh! 250 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,360 # Come fly with me! # 251 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,960 There you go, I don't think we'd better go any deeper into here. 252 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Music at that time was kind of androgynous. 253 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,480 There was this crossover between girls and boys wearing the same. 254 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,920 There were clothes that crossed over and we kind of bought into that. 255 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,040 We found them. Yeah, we did. 256 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:01,040 We used to trawl the streets of Birmingham, trying to find... 257 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,560 bits of clothing... Ladies' clothes that would fit us. 258 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,040 Yes! Well, we... Then it was easier, right? 259 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,000 I could see you working the bumper cars in that. 260 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,720 Yeah, really? Cheers for saying that. 261 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,800 I quite like that, though. Yeah, so do I. 262 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Italian Vogue. Old habit, you know. 263 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,040 HE LAUGHS 264 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,960 We were out at dinner with Andy Warhol once, 265 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,560 and somebody asked Andy, 266 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,240 "Which do you think is the coolest Vogue?" 267 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,320 And, at the time, I'd made it as far as Paris Vogue, 268 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,320 and I was really into Paris Vogue. 269 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,960 He said, "Oh, Italian Vogue, definitely." 270 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,640 And we were like, "Italian Vogue? 271 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,080 "Is there one?" 272 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,880 HE LAUGHS 273 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Pictures of girls. 274 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,520 MUSIC: Careless Memories by Duran Duran 275 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,000 I first met Duran Duran around 1980, when they came into the shop. 276 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,080 We became very good friends. 277 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,680 They had the balls to whirl around with all the make-up and hair. 278 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,040 This lot didn't give a damn. 279 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,040 And they'd worked out that women quite liked it. 280 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,520 So, when they came along, they were a breath of fresh air. 281 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,320 This is from the year dot. 282 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Well, that's probably from... Well, when you first started. 1981. 283 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,960 MUSIC: My Own Way by Duran Duran 284 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,320 I think after the punk thing, military was still very much... 285 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,520 Oh, military was very happening. 286 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,680 But you, of course, broke the mould for that. 287 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,400 You lot went in waist-deep into it. 288 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,760 # I saw you at the air race yesterday 289 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,120 # April showers 290 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,160 # Get out of my way. # 291 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,000 You obviously kept all these over the years. 292 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Well, funny... How many are there? There's about 10,000 in all. 293 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600 This was actually worn in the Planet Earth video, 294 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,680 along with one of your suits. 295 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,160 The shirts were like this because they had to be. 296 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,960 It's the low armholes and all the rest of it, that easy wear. 297 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,760 It wasn't easy wear on the number 50 bus from Birmingham! 298 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Yeah, that's what New Romantic was, wearing that on the 50 bus. 299 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,000 So this one was from 1983. 300 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,680 And that's from the front cover 301 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,840 of the Seven and the Ragged Tiger album. 302 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,040 This fabric's happening now, big time. 303 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,880 It's everywhere on the catwalk. 304 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,120 Oh, well, then only 37 years ahead of our time. 305 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:20,560 I remember when you came to the shop. 306 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,200 We came because we finally got our advance from EMI Records. 307 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,240 Yeah. And part of it was a clothing budget. Oh. 308 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,880 Which you insisted on, of course. The first band to do that. 309 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,320 Of course. Now, the hard work was writing the songs 310 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:34,840 and getting all of that right. 311 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,040 Yeah, we know that. 312 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Finally, when you get to present it, that's the fun, 313 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,240 sort of saying, "How are we going to do this?" 314 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,040 Yeah, it ends up like this. 315 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,680 There you go. 316 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,720 MUSIC: My Own Way by Duran Duran 317 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,560 Well, perfect for shopping on Oxford Street. 318 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Well, these are the epitome of '80s over-the-top. 319 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Really? You think so? Oh, I think so, yeah. 320 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,280 I mean, they are quite panto-y now. 321 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,640 But, at the time, they were right, 322 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,160 because they fused military with romance. 323 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,200 We have these corseted back trousers here 324 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,040 that were all laced up the back, 325 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,240 and then these hanging jackets. 326 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,000 It's Matador-ish, isn't it? 327 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,040 Yeah. Yeah. Somehow, we managed to make it work, 328 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,760 because we all had such individual and personal taste. 329 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,000 We could look at a rail of clothes now and say, 330 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,600 "Roger's going to like that, I'm going to have that one." 331 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,120 Yeah, you could do that. 332 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,520 Well, I think most of the band could. You were pretty right, 333 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,360 because you knew all their tastes even better than I did. 334 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,920 Any band... I mean, if you think of any one you... 335 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,680 Anyone in history that's worth remembering, they all have an image. 336 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Elvis Presley, Madonna, Prince, Duran Duran. 337 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,280 They were Birmingham's peacocks. 338 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,080 It was this Smash Hits magazine. 339 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,720 And suddenly nobody was reading any of the weeklies any more, 340 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,800 there were these, like, coloured magazines that came out every week. 341 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,600 And it was, like, perfect for Duran. 342 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,880 It was like, "There's a John cover, it's a Roger cover, 343 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,840 "it's Simon and Nick." 344 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,920 It was like an explosion, and we made ourselves very available to it. 345 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 SCREAMING 346 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,120 We went on tour behind Planet Earth, and we played Nottingham. 347 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:31,760 And that show was reviewed in the NME, and it was the meanest review. 348 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,800 "A ripple in a stagnant pool," was the headline. 349 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,440 I can still remember it to this day. 350 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,120 And the last line in it was, "Duran Duran are going to be huge 351 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,080 "and they really don't deserve any of it." 352 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,720 And I remember reading that, thinking, "That's so mean! 353 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,080 "Why? Why don't...?" You know, "Why?" 354 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,080 And then we kind of knew that we were part of this. 355 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,560 And that was probably after the Smash Hits cover, 356 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,400 and it was, like, so we were a threat to that institution, 357 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,240 and they weren't going to be nice to us. 358 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,000 So we just had to, like, swallow it. 359 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,280 But the NME never, never... 360 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,920 And it bothered me up until about a year ago, I think. 361 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,960 HE LAUGHS 362 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,640 The first time I think that we recognised 363 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,680 that something different was happening 364 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,520 was when, out of nowhere, it was if... 365 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,840 It was like a movie set, and we got completely mobbed. 366 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,120 And we sensed that something had changed. 367 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,800 Simon, I'm desperate to know what it's like, being a pop star. 368 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,080 SIMON, AUDIENCE LAUGH 369 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,440 Do you think it's all full of fast cars, fast women, fast living? 370 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,000 Well, that's probably part of it. 371 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,400 It is. Yeah. It's great. 372 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,440 MUSIC: Sound Of Thunder by Duran Duran 373 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:52,080 I love boats. I do have about a boat a bit similar to this. 374 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,040 It lives in a garage in Italy, where she was built. 375 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,760 I think living the life was very much a sort of... 376 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,800 a part of the rock star lifestyle. 377 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,440 MUSIC: Girls On Film by Duran Duran 378 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,120 We were objects of desire. 379 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,560 And people wanted to have us at their parties. 380 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,080 So there was a lot of that. 381 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,880 # See them walking hand in hand 382 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,080 # Across the bridge at midnight... # 383 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,600 Duran Duran were like... It was glamourous. 384 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,120 It was, like, hot, beautiful locations, 385 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,880 leggy blondes, yachts and the limousines. 386 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,600 It was aspirational, I think. 387 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,200 You know, I think that's why people liked it because it was like, 388 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000 "You can come from Birmingham, you can come from south-east London, 389 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,040 "but you can still have a glamorous life." 390 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,720 I was just, like, perpetually excited in 1981. 391 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,560 I mean, it was like, you know, I don't think I slept all year. 392 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,440 I mean, it was just... It was just... 393 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,760 It was just so much fun. It was just... Just this crazy adventure. 394 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,640 And it never really stopped. 395 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,920 MUSIC: Save A Prayer by Duran Duran 396 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,560 It did become the album that was the most important 397 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,320 in launching our career. 398 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,160 # You saw me standing by the wall 399 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,040 # Corner of a main street. # 400 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,440 I remember really being worried, 401 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,320 just briefly, that it wouldn't be as good as the first album. 402 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,440 And I couldn't... I used to lay in my bed and listen to the album. 403 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,600 And I rationed myself to two entire listens a night, because I knew... 404 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,360 I didn't want to wear it out. But it was... 405 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,760 I just loved it, I thought it was so great. 406 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,640 CROWD SINGS: # Don't save a prayer for me now 407 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,120 # Save it till the morning after... # 408 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,080 Everyone has THAT record, and I think Rio was THAT record, 409 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,720 that was sort of the thing that seals the deal. 410 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,560 I remember the sleeve. 411 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,320 You know, I remember hearing the songs for the first time, 412 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,760 and I think that Rio was the album that sort of established 413 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,440 Duran Duran as a kind of global super force, because it was like, 414 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,000 "OK, they can write songs." 415 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,240 Rio was like a masterstroke. 416 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,000 The image on the cover of that album 417 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,760 so perfectly represents the sounds in the music. 418 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,880 Whether you're Bowie or Kanye West, 419 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,720 it doesn't matter, you're selling a fantasy. 420 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,600 CROWD CHEERS 421 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:51,160 Here, we have the original Rio painting. 422 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,360 Yes. Still smiling after all these years. 423 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,800 For our second album, we thought, 424 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,000 "Why don't we stick a beautiful painting on the cover?" 425 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,880 And, actually, to the credit of Paul Berrow, 426 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,760 one of our managers at the time, 427 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,160 who was an avid reader of Playboy magazine... 428 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,200 he spotted these beautiful illustrations 429 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,400 done by a Californian artist called Patrick Nagel. 430 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,560 And brought them and said, "Chaps, do you like these?" 431 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040 And we looked and said, "Actually, yeah, 432 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,880 "they've got a real energy and a brightness." 433 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,160 And they represented the period so well. 434 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,600 It's become a symbol of that whole decade. 435 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,880 For us, she's got a very lucky smile, 436 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,960 because that period was amazing 437 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,680 and the Rio album was really what established us around the world. 438 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,720 MUSIC: My Own Way by Duran Duran 439 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,320 This was the home to Duran Duran in the '80s, 440 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,480 when we were in Los Angeles. 441 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,320 We've got all the Beatles, here. 442 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,800 We've got John, George, 443 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,840 Ringo, and then Paul McCartney. 444 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,880 I know I wouldn't be standing here without those guys. 445 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,840 Then we go on to Buddy Holly. 446 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,280 But then they probably wouldn't be there without Buddy Holly, 447 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,960 so that's cool. Moving on. 448 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Tina Turner. And Tina Turner's bicycle, 449 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,040 which is a permanent show here now. 450 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,800 I'm getting a warm feeling. 451 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,360 Capitol recording artists, Duran Duran. 452 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:41,800 It's a big deal in terms of, like, where you're from, I guess. 453 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,040 I don't think many of my schoolmates have got one. 454 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,160 We got a lot of prizes in the early '80s, and I took them for granted. 455 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,560 I was like... You know. But, as I've gotten older, 456 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,080 I've come to sort of appreciate them. 457 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080 And display them, even. 458 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,800 And I think to know where you come in the evolution of popular music, 459 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,760 you know, contemporary culture, you know, 460 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,880 that we've got a place... We've got a place in that. 461 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880 It feels good. 462 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,920 MUSIC: The Chauffeur by Duran Duran 463 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,200 They were such a seminal band for me as a kid, you know? 464 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Like, I really love them, they had great pop songs, 465 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,560 great melodies, a great band. 466 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,200 There's a reason that they sold 18 million records. 467 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,680 They were just attuned to writing really universal, great songs. 468 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,240 What was your first memory of being in this building? 469 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,720 Yeah, I'm not sure they ever really knew what to do with us. 470 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,840 Right. EMI in London just kept pressurising Capitol 471 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,560 into basically making more effort to break the band, 472 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,280 and it was really with Rio that they... 473 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040 That they said, "Look, you've got to make this happen." 474 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,200 To me, definitely the first album had a lot of the seeds 475 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,520 of what became, like, the iconic. early Duran Duran sound. 476 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000 But Rio is probably... 477 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,440 And also just because of the level of songwriting went like this. 478 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,240 Do you feel like Rio's where you sort of forged the Duran sound? 479 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,880 Definitely. I mean... I mean, it was a development from the first... 480 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,880 All the basic ideas... I mean, you've just nailed it. You know, 481 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,360 it's like the funky rhythm section, you know, 482 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:15,160 sort of, Moroder-esque synths, you know, but also that kind of... 483 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,240 That chunky rock guitar. Yeah, Steve Jones' guitars. 484 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,680 Yeah. And also the other thing is, like, 485 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,200 probably because you're all pin-ups and all this kind of thing at first, 486 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,680 nobody really wanted to give you credit for the fact 487 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,480 that everybody was a great musician. 488 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,520 I mean, I think for all the excitement of the punk rock era, 489 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,160 the post punk era was really exciting too, 490 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240 because you had kids saying, "I want to be a bass player." 491 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,320 Roger and I were like, "We want to be a rhythm section." 492 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,000 Cool. That sound that... 493 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,720 Like, when I play The Chauffeur in my head, kind of Roger's drums, 494 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,080 like, on top, locked into the sequence of whatever Nick was doing, 495 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,120 and then you with that, is such an important part. 496 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,880 I feel like the Chauffeur, sonically and everything about it, 497 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,720 if it came out tomorrow and you said, like, 498 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,640 "Oh, this is a new Killers' tune," you would believe it. 499 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,360 # And watching lovers part 500 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,920 # I feel you smiling 501 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,880 # What glass splinters lie so deep in your mind 502 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,440 # To tear out from your eyes 503 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,680 # With a thought to stiffen brooding lies 504 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,760 # And I'll only watch you leave me further behind. # 505 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,320 When we first came to New York, I remember our managers meeting 506 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,440 with these guys that were putting MTV together, and they were like, 507 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,480 "Look, we can't play Stairway To Heaven all day." 508 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,120 Right. "Like what happens on the radio. 509 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,160 "We need to get more into new music, you know, 510 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760 "and it would be great if you could give us something really... 511 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,440 "kind of like a James Bond film." Right. Our manager went away, 512 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,400 and that's where the Sri Lanka video idea came from. 513 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,920 # In touch with the ground 514 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,080 # I'm on the hunt I'm after you 515 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,520 # Smell like I sound 516 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,360 # I'm lost in a crowd 517 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,120 # And I'm hungry like the wolf. # 518 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,120 MTV was, like, such a big part of my teenage life. 519 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,040 I mean, that's how we got our music. 520 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,080 And I think Duran Duran was such a... 521 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,440 perfect band for this new way 522 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,000 that people were getting music, which was through television. 523 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,000 # Stalked through the forest, too close to hide 524 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,440 # I'll be upon you by the moonlight side... # 525 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,040 They were really, you know, some of the pioneers in music videos. 526 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,920 I mean, that was just the age where we didn't know what to expect 527 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,400 and anything could go. 528 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,000 # ..On your skin it's so tight 529 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,680 # You feel my heat I'm just a moment behind... # 530 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,680 There was something about it when we were there that we knew 531 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,200 that it was new ground. It was very exotic. 532 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840 We were very lucky to have Russell Mulcahy directing, 533 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,760 because at that time, 534 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,880 he was THE guy - he'd just done Vienna for Ultravox 535 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,160 and all the coolest things that were out there, really. 536 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,800 With Duran, it was a bit like being a tourist with a big camera. 537 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000 I had very much a cinematic vision, 538 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,720 they had a vision with their music 539 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,480 and the manager had a vision of, like, 540 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,160 "Let's make it big and stand out from the rest." 541 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,680 We just wanted to raise the bar. 542 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600 On first glance, it looks like a guy chasing a girl. 543 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,560 It's slightly uncomfortable, actually. 544 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,320 But it's us chasing our career, trying to make it happen, 545 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,160 and we were so hungry, 546 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,120 we would chase and we would grab and we would achieve. 547 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,800 And that is what that song's about. 548 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,640 Then, after that, the travelogue continued and hence, 549 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,040 we ended up doing the Rio video in Antigua. 550 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,800 MUSIC: Rio by Duran Duran 551 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,400 That was wild. I mean, 552 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040 that one we actually just made up on the spot. 553 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,320 I would say in the morning, 554 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,680 "OK, I need a mirror, I need a bed, 555 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,440 "I want to put it on the beach." 556 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,400 # Moving on the floor now, babe 557 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,280 # You're a bird of paradise 558 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,200 # Cherry ice cream smile 559 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,120 # I suppose it's very nice... # 560 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,800 The closing shot eventually ended up 561 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,240 being Simon in front of the boat with the boys hanging off. 562 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080 And the cameraman was sitting at the top of the boat 563 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480 on the whatever-you-call-it. 564 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,280 With no harness, hand-held, 565 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,080 hanging on to a thing like that. 566 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,680 Song blasting away, boys were all in their sort of tailored suits, 567 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,600 very expensive suits, 568 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,720 getting splashed with sea water and ruining the suits, of course. 569 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680 And we just had a lot of fun. 570 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880 # ..down to the Rio Grande... # 571 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,880 The yacht was such a powerful image, 572 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,520 with us all with the coloured Antony Price suits, 573 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,240 it really worked beautifully. 574 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,960 # Do do do-do do-do 575 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,240 # Do do do-do do-do... # 576 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,680 Rio was a very hard record to follow, and in hindsight, 577 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,640 we'd made a classic album with Rio. 578 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,960 I think it was the first time that we really felt the pressure 579 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,920 of having to follow something up. 580 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760 The Ragged Tiger is that kind of... 581 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,360 ..dirty but incredible... 582 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,600 ..charismatic animal that is success. 583 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,160 HELIUM VOICE: Hello, good evening and welcome to our show. 584 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,200 LAUGHTER 585 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,000 SCREAMING 586 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,040 This is a dressing room. By nature of the word dressing, 587 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,120 it means everyone has to change. 588 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,480 What we really want to tell you is we're going to do this. goodnight. 589 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600 The demands on us had become absurd 590 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,040 because I think a lot of the businesspeople 591 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,120 had smelled the money everywhere that they possibly could, 592 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,880 and they just wanted more and more and more and more. 593 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,960 # The union of the snake is on the climb... # 594 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,400 Our accountants were saying, 595 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360 "You can't stay in England because you're going to pay all this tax." 596 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,760 So we decamped to the south of France and we end up 597 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,960 in this chateau in the middle of nowhere. 598 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,720 It was wonderful. 599 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,800 The scenery was fantastic and they had a swimming pool 600 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,880 and tennis courts 601 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,280 and we didn't get a lot of work done. 602 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,960 I get up and have a bath and a wee wee. 603 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,040 Have lunch. Play a bit of tennis. And then I wake up. 604 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,520 I mean, I was all into the swimming pool and the tennis courts. 605 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,480 John was bringing his girls down. 606 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,360 Andy was getting a bit high. 607 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,680 John and Andy were funding South American countries 608 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,000 with their... with their pocket money. 609 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,880 They were up very, very, very late at night 610 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,560 but not in the studio so much. 611 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,480 It's, like, nobody was a saint in that band. 612 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,320 I mean, why would you be? 613 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,000 With so much being served up, being offered to us. 614 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,360 You've got drugs, you've got alcohol, you know, 615 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440 there's a whole load of things. 616 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,680 It's a minefield, really. 617 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,720 And even in amongst all of the fraternal kind of fun and games, 618 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,520 there was loneliness as well. 619 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,760 So you know... 620 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,400 ..I don't think anybody really relished sleeping alone 621 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,320 if it could be avoided. 622 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,240 MUSIC: The Reflex by Duran Duran 623 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,120 # You've gone too far this time 624 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,720 # And I'm dancing... # 625 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,600 The tour for that album, in '83-'84, 626 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,160 was the height of everything coming together, 627 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,520 all the insanity from every single place 628 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,440 just came to meet us in America. 629 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,320 AUDIENCE SCREAM 630 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,800 We couldn't hear what we were playing most of the time 631 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,720 because the noise of the audience was just overwhelming. 632 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:51,200 And they were all teenage girls so it was all this certain pitch. 633 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,600 It was like hitting very heavy weather in an aeroplane. 634 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,120 And everybody was just looking at each other going, 635 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,160 "Whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on!" 636 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:06,400 I have photograph upon photograph of girls screaming and crying. 637 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,640 I wasn't prepared for the fact that it was the Beatles, effectively. 638 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440 It was madness, carnage, everywhere we went. 639 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,240 We were hemmed into the hotels, we couldn't move at that point. 640 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,720 Every time we tried to leave the hotel, 641 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,000 there'd be 200 teenage girls trying to rip you apart. 642 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,040 MUSIC CONTINUES 643 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,360 It's absolutely incredible, there's tons of people here. 644 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,120 I think there's about 2,000. 645 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,520 3,000. 4 million, you never know. 646 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,840 Did you think they'd have to bring in police horses to keep them quiet? 647 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,880 Have they got police horses out there? Oh, God, where are they? 648 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,480 The fans had began to realise that all they had to do was phone all the 649 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,560 top hotels, wait for my name and they'd know the band were staying. 650 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,240 I'd get the phone call at two in the morning asking how John was or the 651 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,960 fire alarm would go off and the whole hotel then had to evacuate 652 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,080 and that's how fans got to meet the band. 653 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,120 It was...wild. 654 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,040 I had somebody in a wardrobe in my room. 655 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,280 I checked into my room and I opened the wardrobe and was unpacking and 656 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,480 there was a girl in there. 657 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440 It was like losing your virginity, you know. 658 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,840 We were never the same again. 659 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,680 It was like... I mean, you know. 660 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640 I think, by the end of the US tour, 661 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:57,360 we'd literally been deep-fried daily for months on end. 662 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,800 Of course, the pettiness 663 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,080 and misunderstandings had started to set in 664 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,560 within the band. 665 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,240 We really, for the first time... 666 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,720 had had enough of each other. 667 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,320 We all kind of went... 668 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,800 John and Andy wanted to be more rock and they did Power Station. 669 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,720 Me and Nick decided we want to be more arty and we started Arcadia. 670 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,840 Roger didn't know which bloody camp to be in so he did a bit of both. 671 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,360 It was kind of like two boats were sailing off in different directions 672 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,560 and I kind of had one leg on one boat and one leg in the other. 673 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,800 And I got kind of stretched in between, actually. 674 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,160 Which is a bit painful. 675 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,000 I know you've been here all day, 676 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,960 but if you've got any energy left, 677 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080 we'd like to see you dancing! 678 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,440 When Bob Geldof calls you and says, you know, 679 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,480 "I'm doing this project, 680 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,320 "it's going to save millions of lives in Africa," 681 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,640 you can't say, "No, we're on a break." 682 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,880 When we got together in Philadelphia, 683 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,680 we were really in two camps. 684 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,840 MUSIC: Save A Prayer by Duran Duran 685 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,720 The atmosphere was completely toxic. 686 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,480 Nobody wanted to be together at that point. 687 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,040 It's quite sad, really, because we'd been so close a few years ago and 688 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,800 suddenly it was like we could hardly bear to... 689 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,440 be in the same room as each other. 690 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,000 It just got to the point where I couldn't deal with it any more. 691 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,000 I got up every morning feeling unhappy with what I was doing. 692 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,280 I was sensible enough at the age of 25, to think, you know, 693 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000 I'm going to walk away from this. 694 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,840 I remember when Roger left the band, 695 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,800 just thinking, "What a weird thing to do." 696 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,120 Just, who leaves a band when they're that successful? 697 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,440 Because I sort of knew him, I just thought he's obviously gone mad. 698 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,480 MUSIC: New Moon On Monday by Duran Duran 699 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,960 MUSIC: Notorious by Duran Duran 700 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,800 We were fighting for our lives. 701 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,320 You know, because the band had had its moment. 702 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:36,080 We realised that this was a real crisis, it was survival. 703 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,480 Andy kind of, you know, 704 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960 dicked us around for about six months, actually. 705 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,080 We didn't know whether he was coming or going. 706 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,840 Maybe he wasn't getting his rocks off, 707 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,440 the music wasn't speaking to him, 708 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,960 he was getting frustrated with the style of the music and the direction 709 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,880 the music was taking. 710 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,720 The three of us came together in such an insanely, like, 711 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,880 with our backs to the wall. 712 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,800 It was so galvanising, 713 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600 the desire to prove ourselves was more powerful 714 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,080 than it had been at the beginning, 715 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,480 whereas we were in two camps at Live Aid. 716 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,240 Six, eight months later, 717 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,080 the three of us were in a new camp 718 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,160 and it was our camp and it was the trio camp. 719 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,800 Things have always seemed to happen with us, 720 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,880 as one door closed, another door opened. 721 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,200 And standing in that doorway was Sir Nile of Rodgers, who came in, 722 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,320 and really oversaw the Notorious project. 723 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,840 As soon as we met each other, it was... 724 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,160 Goddamn, like love at first sight. 725 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,240 We had so much fun, we were making music the same way Chic makes music, 726 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,200 the say Luther Vandross makes music. 727 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,400 When you meet an artist... 728 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,560 ..and there's that kind of connection right away... 729 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,520 you know that big things are going to happen. 730 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,600 Three, four... 731 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,280 He's fantastic to be round, he has a great energy, a joy, 732 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,600 a joyfulness about the way he plays and the way 733 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,240 he approaches song writing and recording. 734 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,160 That sounds like music to me, man. 735 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,160 When we'd finished it and we were all pretty pleased, 736 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,280 we were just doing the mixes and we'd sent 737 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,640 an almost complete version to the record label, 738 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,200 and they'd come back and they'd said, "Oh, we've got a problem. 739 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,560 "We can't put this out, it doesn't sound like Duran Duran, 740 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,040 "it's, it's... It's far too urban," 741 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,520 but we just told them we were changing direction 742 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,840 and that was that. I think they just saw the boat 743 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,200 going the other way down the river, with all their money on it. 744 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,720 When your record's not as successful as the one before, 745 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,480 nobody wants to talk to you, the press don't want to talk to you, 746 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,880 the music press aren't interested because it's other things, you know, 747 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,680 you can't get on the radio, because, 748 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,720 "You're old stuff, man, you're old news. 749 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,360 "We've got new stuff we're playing here on Radio 1." 750 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,000 So you sit there in your business manager's office in New York City, 751 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,520 looking at pictures of all the other acts he's working on and talking 752 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,640 about, "What can we do to save this, what can we do to make it work?" 753 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,600 The first time it happens, it's really scary, 754 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,800 because you thought it would carry on forever, 755 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,480 but it happens. 756 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,520 You get through it. And the next time it happens, it's not so bad, 757 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,560 and the next time it happens it's not so bad. 758 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,880 Then you just get to a point where you think, you know what, 759 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,240 let's just relax and do what we do. 760 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,040 Do we believe in the music we make? 761 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,920 Yes, we do. Can we go in and write new stuff? 762 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,800 Have you still got stuff inside you that you want to say? 763 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,680 Yes, I have. Yes, we can. 764 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,840 And you do it. 765 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,520 MUSIC: Come Undone by Duran Duran 766 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,120 # Hey child... # 767 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,960 At that time we were looking to move 768 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,880 into a new phase of the band, and what that band looked like. 769 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,360 We'd gotten away from the early '80s and we were 770 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,720 looking to sort of redefine ourselves. 771 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,760 MUSIC CONTINUES 772 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,920 You know, we knew there was this guy, Nick Egan, 773 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,920 and he did lots of cool stuff. 774 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,480 He's got that same interest in art and music, and fashion. 775 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,760 I've worked with the Clash, I've worked with Bob Dylan, 776 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,160 I've worked with Malcolm McLaren. 777 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,280 My first cover I did was for the Ramones. 778 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520 The greatest achievement and proudest achievement 779 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,160 of my working career is actually working with Duran Duran, 780 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,400 because I find the fact they stay relevant and keep ahead of the game, 781 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,800 there's not many bands that can do that any more. 782 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,840 I think Nick was really important at that moment, 783 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,960 to help us realise first the cover and then the Ordinary World video. 784 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,000 MUSIC: Ordinary World by Duran Duran 785 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,000 # Came in from a rainy Thursday on the avenue 786 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,720 # Thought I heard you talking softly... # 787 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:41,680 Ordinary World, the song itself, 788 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,560 the thing that was the catapult back into phase two, if you like, 789 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,200 when I heard it I just thought "This is a hit record," 790 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,200 and you don't often think that. How did you guys feel as a band? 791 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,000 We'd had the biggest flop of our careers with the album before, 792 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,280 with Liberty. We were kind of a bit lost, really, 793 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,440 but I remember hearing Ordinary World on the radio, and thinking, 794 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,440 "Thank you, God," you know, that we just like, 795 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640 we'd got a foot into another decade, because we were just, 796 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,240 we'd just had a few years of 797 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,680 "'80s band, '80s band, they're done, they're done." 798 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,520 I think the success of the single 799 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,360 took an enormous amount of pressure off us. Right. 800 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,200 So I think Simon's lyrics were fantastic on that. 801 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,000 Most of Simon's lyrics from the early albums 802 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,080 are kind of quite oblique. You know, you're not quite sure what they are, 803 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,760 that's what make them so interesting, 804 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,080 but it kind of felt at this point, 805 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,880 like maybe we just need to start writing songs about emotions, 806 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,320 and, and see how that works out. 807 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,120 # But I won't cry for yesterday 808 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,800 # There's an ordinary world 809 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,400 # Somehow I have to find... # 810 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:55,680 Ordinary World is a song about trying to get over... 811 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,880 the...death of a best friend. 812 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,320 And putting it in words freed me, absolutely, it really worked for me, 813 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,840 emotionally and mentally. 814 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,720 Everybody who heard it could apply it to something in their life, 815 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:17,160 and it meant something to them but for a totally different reason. 816 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,680 And it became such an important song for us, 817 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,240 and I think it only had that power to touch people, 818 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,800 because it meant so much to me. 819 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,560 MUSIC: Chains by Duran Duran 820 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480 We've got Andy Taylor back as well tonight. 821 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,760 I spoke to somebody this morning 822 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,240 and they thought we'd got back together to party. 823 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,760 Find another wife or whatever. 824 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,800 Fucking rockin' show, dude. 825 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,840 Simon, in the way he came in the crowd, 826 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,880 I just wanted to lick you, all over. 827 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,680 People had been asking us for 20 years by then, "Are you, 828 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,560 "when are you ever going to put the original band back together?" 829 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,520 And we didn't know that we would. 830 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,680 But nobody had ever ruled it out. 831 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,280 MUSIC: Astronaut by Duran Duran 832 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,080 LAUGHTER 833 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,760 I just thought if we ever get a ball in a pocket, 834 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,360 this massive cheer's going to go up. 835 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,920 Apparently, it was 18 years in between 836 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,200 the last show that we were all on stage together 837 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,680 and the first show of The Astronaut Project. 838 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,920 Wow. It was a gamble, you know, 839 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,320 we didn't have a record company and we didn't have a manager. 840 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,920 I think we went in pretty much with nothing to lose. 841 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,400 We've got this super hooky vocal on the chorus. 842 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,240 D minor. 843 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,000 HE SINGS 844 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,560 # Does anybody know... # 845 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,200 I like that bit. What's that chord? 846 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,520 It wasn't going to be all about what happened in 1983, 847 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,720 this was going to be about what we could do now. 848 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,160 Play it from that first chord. 849 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,120 I've got to say, getting the different personalities to work 850 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,560 again was probably more challenging than the music, I think. 851 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,000 That was the tough part. 852 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,640 OK, clear the room. Including you. Out. 853 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,720 You guys sang it differently. No, we didn't. Yeah, you did. 854 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,560 Absolutely you did and we all noticed it. 855 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,680 You sang it, it was exactly the conversation that we were having 856 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,360 in sound check. 857 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,200 You know you said that before, but I can't figure out what you mean. 858 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,840 You go to the last... 859 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,160 No, no, no. You're wrong. You are wrong. 860 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,360 I don't think ever was there a more important 861 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,000 "lights!" than that first show in Osaka on the Reunion tour, 862 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,200 because that was ultimate "shut the fuck up and play your guitars." 863 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,240 SCREAMING 864 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,360 And that was really what we needed, because then, all the politics, 865 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,560 just...shtum, and then we go out and we play and we remind each other, 866 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,240 "Oh, when we do this together, this is what we get." 867 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,600 MUSIC: (Reach Up For The) Sunrise by Duran Duran 868 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,080 # Put your hands into the big sky 869 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,160 # You can touch the sunrise 870 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,200 # Feel the new day enter your life 871 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,880 # Reach up for the sunrise 872 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,360 # Put your hands into the big sky... # 873 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,440 After the Budokan shows, we decided to do a tour to support Astronaut, 874 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,880 and I think it was planned to be about three to six months, 875 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,160 but in reality it ended up being around two years. 876 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,320 Tomorrow night we'll do like tonight. 877 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,880 Tonight we'll do like last night. 878 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,960 And then tomorrow we'll do like the night before. 879 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,360 We've got to shorten The Reflex. 880 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,680 Second show Tiger Tiger's out. 881 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080 Right. What do we play Bedroom Toys instead of? 882 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,440 We want to play that next to Notorious, don't we? 883 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,440 We could play Night Boat, then Chauffeur. 884 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,480 No! 885 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,000 # Her name is Rio and she dances in the sand! # 886 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,040 Right? 887 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,760 SIMON CACKLES 888 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,320 That was a great song. 889 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,680 I'm feeling job insecurity! 890 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,200 The last time we were at the wheel, we just drove it off the cliff, 891 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,360 you know and this time, you know, 892 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,040 wanting to make sure that doesn't happen again, I mean, 893 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,440 we're all quite driven now. 894 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,520 I think what the time did, was that it en... 895 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,720 We all dug back in, 896 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,200 our relationships with each other 897 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,960 and our feelings for the band, you know. 898 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,320 That was classic. That was worth the work. 899 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,040 That was worth a year. 900 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,120 That was. It was like everything was set. 901 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,760 Do you know what? Not a moment too fucking soon. 902 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,000 All the British gigs, all the gigs we've done, to get here, 903 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,720 just the press the on button, boom. 904 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,560 Aren't we smug? Yeah. 905 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,680 I hit a horrific bum note on the guitar in Astronaut. 906 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,280 Oh, someone had to spoil it, didn't they? 907 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,840 Just when you thought it was perfect. 908 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,280 MUSIC: Planet Earth by Duran Duran 909 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,720 Then we started a pretty good two-year run of working together. 910 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:27,680 It was difficult, though, you know, 911 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,160 because everybody'd had a different experience and was carrying different stuff, baggage, 912 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,440 there were sort of different things in everybody's suitcases, 913 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160 and honestly I didn't really want know what was going on. 914 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,080 But it would just, it would just come out. 915 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,640 It's a really big one for the fans. 916 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:43,960 It's a very exciting... 917 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,080 It is, and I think... Roger and I were just saying that we thought you 918 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,000 watched the reaction plummet. You're joking! 919 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,720 The front three, four rows, watch it all the way back. 920 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:53,760 It just... 921 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,640 You're telling me you can see people at the back? 922 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,560 Of course I can. 923 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,800 They were singing. 924 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,560 ALL TALK AT ONCE 925 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,880 This is really when it all started 926 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960 going wrong for Andy on that project. 927 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,800 I remember just seeing how much he put into a show, 928 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,040 or rather how much it took out of him... 929 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,680 Well, Andy was all or nothing. 930 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,000 You kind of knew he wouldn't be able to keep it up. 931 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,440 If I don't come off and I haven't had a good show 932 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,960 or I haven't got enough, 933 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,400 I'm a bit burned, I get a bit dark after ten weeks on tour. 934 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,280 I'm a performer, first and foremost, and anything else for me, 935 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,200 is a secondary incident in life. 936 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,960 I think he really missed his family as well. 937 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,640 I mean Andy was, and still is, a real family man. 938 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,840 When you're younger, you don't have a home to call. 939 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,320 When you're our age... 940 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,320 ..home isn't just a house, 941 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,640 it's a family, it's your children and so you know, 942 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,760 you can get stretched very thinly, 943 00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,040 and those stresses can also take their toll, 944 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,720 you can get very homesick, in a nutshell. 945 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,920 We wanted to do everything. 946 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,720 We wanted to do more work, 947 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,600 and more shows and we were happy 948 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,000 with the way that the management was 949 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,680 working, and Andy wasn't. 950 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,960 It's like one of those rat wheels, isn't it, and you've just... 951 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,880 got to be King Rat sometimes and say, "Bollocks, I'm jumping off." 952 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,280 And finally, the guitarist with the pop group Duran Duran 953 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,880 has left the band halfway through a world tour. 954 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,640 Andy Taylor, one of the original members, 955 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,880 rejoined the line-up five years ago after a 15-year absence. 956 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,040 The rest of the band has described the relationship with him 957 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,880 as "unworkable" and one which couldn't be resolved. 958 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,000 We haven't been on Radio 1 for decades. 959 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:26,160 And we do another album with Nile Rodgers, with Mark Ronson, 960 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,360 and Ben Hudson and it goes top ten. 961 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,120 It's extraordinary. 962 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,160 # Everybody everywhere 963 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,480 # Feel it in the air 964 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,000 # Oh, yeah, it's time to take the pressure off 965 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,360 # Oh-oh oh-oh oh oh oh It's up to you... # 966 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,600 And it was such an uplifting experience, 967 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,120 when you see Nile playing his guitar like that and grinning, 968 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,520 there's nothing quite like it in the world. 969 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,440 # It's time to take the pressure off... # 970 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,920 And the four of us have this extraordinary belief in ourselves, 971 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,440 you know, we still believe we've got important music to make. 972 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,600 You know, when everybody else is going, "They're done" 973 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,400 you know and we have this sense, 974 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,240 that there's a, that staying together... 975 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:14,520 Because we've all worked apart from each other, we've all tried that. 976 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,760 Meh, you know. There's something that we have when we're together 977 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,760 that is worth showing up for. 978 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,200 We accept who we are as people now, 979 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,200 who we've grown into, 980 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:30,760 including everybody's... faults, and quirks. 981 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,560 I don't even know what's... I don't know what's in the future for us, 982 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,800 you know, I just know it'll be interesting. 983 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,480 # Bow to the paper gods 984 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,800 # In a world that is paper-thin... # 985 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,040 Getting to a 14th album is a milestone. 986 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,320 That's a moment, you know, 987 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,840 it's not something you even think about when you start your career. 988 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,120 Think about anyone now who's going to like make a 14th album. 989 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,520 On one hand, maybe not, one finger. 990 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,920 I actually think we've proved the detractors wrong in the last decade. 991 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,440 The fact that we're still here, 992 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,040 40 years after we started. 993 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,720 That, that's the real proof. 994 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,800 # Bow to the paper gods 995 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,120 # In a world that is paper-thin 996 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,280 # The fools in town 997 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,240 # Are ruling now 998 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,760 # Bleeding from paper cuts 999 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,080 # Money for head shots 1000 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,160 # Fools leading 1001 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,680 # Who needs it? # 1002 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,320 Yes! 1003 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,240 Charlie's first pot. 126064

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