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Um, we're here today
on a motion for relief
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from judgement filed
by Mr. Wershe.
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As both parties know,
the parties are not...
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Being in prison the last 29 years-
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is like being dead.
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"Now based on my readings of...
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The only connection
I have to the free world-
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is this telephone.
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You see your kids grow up-
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but you have no part
of anything.
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It's like living in
the ultimate purgatory.
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"The case law
over the last decade
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{\an8}has demanded
that we treat juveniles
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{\an8}constitutionally different
than adults.
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That difference requires us
to consider
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the defendant's ageat the time when crime..."
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Sitting here in front of the judge-
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scared as hell-
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I know this is the best chance
of getting my life back.
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And I know everything rides
on what this judge is about to say.
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Everyone knows who I am-
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but no one knows the
real reason I'm in here.
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The teenage drug dealer
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nicknamed "White Boy Rick,"
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was busted at age 17.
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And has served 28 years
behind bars,
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{\an8}the longest ever in Michigan
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{\an8}for a non-violent juvenile.
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{\an8}You're not gonna
convince any judge
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{\an8}in this day and age
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that somebody deserves life
for selling drugs.
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How many of you have heard
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about the drug problem
in our schools?
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{\an8}The only thing
that I legitimately remember
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{\an8}about the War on Drugs
in the '80s
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{\an8}when I was a child,
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{\an8}was seeing Nancy Reagan
on Diff'rent Strokes,
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telling, you know, Gary Coleman,
"Just say no."
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All drugs are dumb.
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{\an8} He was moving kilos.
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{\an8}When you're 17 years old
and you're moving kilos,
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you know, you're at a status
of drug dealer
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that most 17-year-olds
don't reach.
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And I'll tell you
from what I can see
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as a judge now,
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the War on Drugs is over,
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and drugs won.
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Young Boys Incorporated,
originally, was the gang
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that really institutionalized
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{\an8}and industrialized
the distribution of heroine.
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{\an8}Detroit's heroin market
gave way to cocaine
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{\an8}which quickly gave way
to crack cocaine.
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Crack is a plague
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of the inner cities in this country,
and that's been especially true in Detroit.
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The city, literally,
right in front of your eyes
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was falling apart.
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It was chaos.
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{\an8}And nobody knew
how to handle it.
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{\an8}This chamber here holds
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12 shotgun shells
and everything...
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As part of a five-part series
on the crack problem,
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I went on dozens and dozens
and dozens
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of narcotics raids
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with the No Crack Task Force.
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It was crazy.
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I mean, today, you probably
wouldn't get away with that.
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Agents say
the gang was well armed.
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In many of the homes,
they found assault weapons.
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It was very, very violent.
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{\an8}We had officers shot,
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{\an8}uh, a couple of them killed.
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{\an8}And I was right
in the middle of it.
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I was on, uh,
the drug squad for the FBI.
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But in the course
of some of these raids,
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they discovered a cache
of videotapes.
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And this is one
of the drug homes
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owned by the Chambers Brothers,
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the notorious drug gang.
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Money, money, money!
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We're rich, goddamn it!
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A hundred and fifty
thousand dollars. Cash.
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They go through the homes.
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The faucets, 24 karat gold.
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And this was amazing stuff.
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Once upon a time,
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drug dealers was truly idolized.
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{\an8}They had all the man toys
that they wanted.
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{\an8}Cars, planes, housing,
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{\an8}weapons.
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The money was just unlimited.
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And it becomes a problem
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{\an8}because it's a cash business.
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throw these ones away, man,
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since we got $500,000?
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{\an8}What do you do
with all that cash?
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I tell you what we can do,
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we can give it to the poor.
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That's exactly what I said, too,
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we'll just donate those
to the poor.
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It seemed like every week,
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a new drug gang emerged.
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The Chambers Brothers,
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Best Friends,
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Young Boys Incorporated,
Maserati Rick,
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Johnny Curry and Leo Curry
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had started a drug organization.
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Say, for instance,
I got a key of cocaine,
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{\an8}and two or three keys
of cocaine.
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{\an8}You might have
a hundred bales of weed.
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{\an8}I make more off this cocaine
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than you do off the weed
with less headaches.
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That's how I got into that game.
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When we talk
about Young Boys Incorporated,
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or the Chambers Brothers,
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there's not one single
white person involved
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in any of those gangs.
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During the coverage
of the Chambers Brothers,
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I had a conversation
with a source or sources
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who said, "You know,
there's this kid
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who's dealing cocaine.
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Richard Wershe, Jr. He's 17.
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And he's white,
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in a largely
black-dominated world.
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And his nickname
is "White Boy Rick."
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The teenage drug dealer
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nicknamed "White Boy Rick."
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His name is Richard Wershe, Jr.
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One of the things
you don't wanna do
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{\an8}if you're a criminal,
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{\an8}I would advise you
never to get a nickname
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{\an8}and especially,
a really catchy nickname.
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I just remember
the name and the face.
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{\an8}I recall me and my friends
joking around
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{\an8}when we were 16, 17
in the suburbs,
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{\an8}and someone would be
dealing weed out of his car
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and we joked,
"Oh, who do you think you are,
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White Boy Rick?"
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In the 1990s,
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when I first entered
the federal prison system,
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{\an8}you hear about all
the different street legends
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{\an8}from the different cities.
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{\an8}I, I was mainly
on the East Coast,
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{\an8}but one of the guys,
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{\an8}you know, that there
was a lot of talk about,
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was White Boy Rick.
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And, to me, I was
kinda mesmerized, because,
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you know, being
a white drug dealer myself,
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in the suburbs and in colleges,
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I was like,
"Who was this white kid
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you know, that was supposedly
running all these black gangs
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and running
the city of Detroit?"
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At that time,
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I really didn't know anything
about White Boy Rick.
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I didn't know
who Rick Wershe was.
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I just knew
there was this caricature,
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almost like
a comic book character
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being splashed across
the newspapers all the time.
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{\an8}He had to be at least 15,
16 years old when I met him.
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But he was smart.
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He was socializing
and doing business
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with the biggest drug dealers
in Detroit.
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We all bought motorcycles
together,
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rolled up to see my brother
in prison together.
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It became a very iconic moniker.
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It has been name-dropped
in Kid Rock songs.
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Johnny Curry
would buy him a mink coat.
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They'd walk around
with their twin mink coats.
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{\an8}To integrate like he did,
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{\an8}I mean, that's not...
Not everyone can do that.
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And my point is,
he wasn't a poser.
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That's who he was.
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{\an8}He was a product
of his environment.
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{\an8}He was a white kid
that was brought up
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his... basically, his whole life
around all black people.
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A lot of the DPD
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that were working in the Detroit
drug scene at that time,
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knew Rick was a race traitor.
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They did not like the fact
that he talked black,
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that he acted black,
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that he dated black women,
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and definitely didn't like
14 to 15-year-old kids
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rolling around in BMWs,
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and flashing cash wads
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that equal more
than their entire paycheck
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{\an8}for the whole year.
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{\an8}Half million a week.
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Two million dollars a month.
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It bred a lot of resent.
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- Dispatch 8.
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There were sections
of the city in the mid '80s
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that were war zones.
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This drug operation
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was so heavily-fortified,
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that police could not
get through the front door.
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- Calling in.
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In Detroit in the 1980s,
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there were dozens upon dozens
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of proficient,
professional killers.
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The most menacing,
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the most feared,
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{\an8}was without question,
Nate "Boone" Craft.
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{\an8} In the '80s,
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{\an8}I was a hitman
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{\an8}that worked for many different
drug lords and kingpin.
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{\an8}Even some that weren't even
in this country.
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there are direct links now
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between gangs
and Colombian drug dealers.
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They were hiring me to do hits.
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I was, uh, involved
with about 30 murders.
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I was responsible
for almost 30 murders.
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They paid 50,000 and up.
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And I was looking to gain.
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Anything that was 50,000,
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I'll always will be,
"Come on with it.
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What do you want?
The guy's head?
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You want his arm?
You want his private part?"
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{\an8}of the Detroit Police
Department's
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{\an8}Homicide Division.
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{\an8}Crack cocaine changed
the whole complexion
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of homicide cases
in the city of Detroit.
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We were actually having
almost 800 homicides per year.
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{\an8}Probably 85%
was due in some part
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to the narcotics trade.
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{\an8}Now this is what happens to you
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{\an8}when you become a gangster,
a hitman, or whatever.
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You get shot up.
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{\an8}Either you didn't pay
what you owe me,
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or jealousy takes over.
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Leg, tore up.
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I had to walk with a cane.
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AK. I can't even move my hands.
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Shotgun blast.
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They hit me with everything,
nine in the back.
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I'm like the Grim Reaper.
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If you make my list,
I'm coming for you,
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whether you're good or bad.
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White people have left this city
in record numbers.
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It goes from almost
two million people,
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now it's down
to a million people.
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Today, we're probably down
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to 600,000 people.
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Rick grew up
on the east side of Detroit
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which is, uh, notoriously
a very tough, tough area.
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{\an8}We were very normal.
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{\an8}We were a normal family
coming up.
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{\an8}My grandparents
lived across the street from us.
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And it was my brother,
and my dad and I, and...
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Rick's father and I
divorced when Rick was 5.
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And they stayed with him
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at the house
which I wasn't happy about.
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{\an8}But they wanted to be there,
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{\an8}so I left them.
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It went, you know, from a nice,
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working class neighborhood
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regardless of race or color,
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to just horrible.
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Like, there was crack houses
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across the street
from our house.
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My grandmother, I remember her
getting robbed for her purse
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in her own driveway.
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I mean, it was bad.
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{\an8}He played
Little League Baseball.
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{\an8}He was the star
of his league baseball team,
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{\an8}a pitcher.
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Eventually, he went out
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and spent his eighth-grade year
out in the suburbs
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in Macomb County with his mom.
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He did really well out there.
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He got good grades,
he was popular in the school.
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{\an8}But he was seeing his father
on occasion,
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and he decided
to go back with him.
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Richard Sr. was a gun dealer...
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street hustler.
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{\an8}And the joke became, you know,
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{\an8}that there was White Dad Rick,
and White Boy Rick.
278
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{\an8}Rick himself,
really idolized his father,
279
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{\an8}and spent most of his childhood
at his father's side.
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{\an8}To the point
where he was kinda known
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in those gun shows
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when he was 11,
12, 13 years old,
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as like one of the best salesmen
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at those gun shows.
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It was an adventurous life.
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I mean,
it was cowboys and Indians
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in Detroit at that time.
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And he just got caught up in it.
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[Se Everything that I knew,
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{\an8}you know, that was like
the glamorized version
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{\an8}of White Boy Rick.
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But once I started talking
to him,
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and researching the case
with all the documents
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and newspaper articles
and court records,
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I found a very different
story emerged.
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One out of every five people
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who try cocaine get hooked.
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But that's not your problem.
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- Or is it?
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What the legislators tried to do
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was make the law so harsh
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that people would think twice
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before getting
into the drug trade.
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{\an8}Now we're gonna pass the statute
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{\an8}that provides
for mandatory life.
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Anybody who's in possession
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of over 650 grams of cocaine,
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they got convicted,
they got mandatory life.
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Hundreds of people
were prosecuted
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underneath the 650 Law,
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including Tim Allen,
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the actor in Hollywood.
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Well, historically, penalty
has never been a factor
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in stopping a crime
from occurring.
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As long as there's enough money
in the crime,
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the penalty isn't gonna make
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a big difference.
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{\an8}There was a lot of money
to be made,
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{\an8}and a lot of people
tried to make money.
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{\an8}And I represented
quite a few of them.
321
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That kind of money
began to corrupt everything.
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It corrupted the government,
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it corrupted the police.
324
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There can be no progress
in the suburbs
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unless there's progress
in the city.
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Yeah!
327
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Coleman Young is the
most powerful politician
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in the history of Detroit.
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{\an8}Coleman Young was a machine.
330
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{\an8}And his niece was Cathy Volsan,
331
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and she was married
to Johnny Curry,
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one of the biggest drug dealers
in Detroit.
333
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{\an8}My wife's uncle
was Mayor Coleman Young.
334
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There was a protective detail
335
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{\an8}that Coleman Young
wanted placed on Cathy Volsan
336
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knowing full well
that she was married
337
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and living with all
these drug dealers.
338
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And then she heard
about the Curry Brothers
339
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{\an8}and what we was into
in our life,
340
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{\an8}so we started dating.
341
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And then,
the next thing you know,
342
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we was married.
343
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{\an8}I just find it crazy
344
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{\an8}that he had a protection detail
345
00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,417
{\an8}of police officers
346
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{\an8}guarding his drug dealer niece.
347
00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:43,208
{\an8} Including Jimmy Harris,
348
00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,709
{\an8}who was Mayor Coleman Young's
head of security.
349
00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,041
{\an8}They were specifically
instructed
350
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{\an8}not to intervene
in this interactions
351
00:13:49,959 --> 00:13:51,917
{\an8}and in these transactions.
352
00:13:51,959 --> 00:13:55,208
{\an8}One time, I got picked up by,
uh, one of the police officers.
353
00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,208
{\an8}He knew I had something
in the car.
354
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He's seen it on the backseat.
355
00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:02,125
He said, "Go ahead
and go about your way.
356
00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,208
You want me to escort you in
or something like that?"
357
00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:06,834
So, I was fine.
358
00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,208
'Cause they really never
messed with me too tough.
359
00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,041
Their only job
360
00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:13,291
was to follow around Cathy Curry
361
00:14:13,333 --> 00:14:15,375
and prevent her from harm.
362
00:14:15,417 --> 00:14:16,834
It was a slippery slope,
363
00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:18,333
I think, for...
for these people.
364
00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,458
{\an8}They went downhill,
uh, very, very fast.
365
00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:24,041
It was wide open
for greedy people.
366
00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:27,291
And cops is just greedy
as we are.
367
00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:29,291
{\an8}If they got debts and so forth,
368
00:14:29,959 --> 00:14:31,208
{\an8}they're gonna turn to crooks.
369
00:14:31,959 --> 00:14:33,417
{\an8}Everybody, every police officer,
370
00:14:33,458 --> 00:14:35,917
{\an8}down at 1300 was crooked.
371
00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:37,333
When I was down there,
372
00:14:37,375 --> 00:14:38,667
I walked there like...
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00:14:38,709 --> 00:14:41,083
Shit, I did bad as myself.
374
00:14:41,125 --> 00:14:42,750
Johnny Curry,
375
00:14:42,792 --> 00:14:44,834
{\an8}because of his marriage
to Cathy Curry,
376
00:14:44,875 --> 00:14:47,875
{\an8}had a direct line to Gil Hill,
377
00:14:47,917 --> 00:14:50,000
who, at the time, was
378
00:14:50,041 --> 00:14:52,166
the Detroit Police Department's
head of the Homicide Division.
379
00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:54,375
Gil Hill had bigger aspirations.
380
00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:57,041
He had, uh, become
uh, a movie actor.
381
00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,500
Was in this wildly popular
Eddie Murphy movie,
382
00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,917
Beverly Hills Cop,
where he played the boss
383
00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:03,333
of Eddie Murphy in the movie.
384
00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:05,250
Inspector T., how you doing?
385
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,542
Where the you've been, Foley?
386
00:15:08,458 --> 00:15:10,959
In Detroit,
everybody knew Gil Hill,
387
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,083
they wanted to talk to Gil Hill
and be around Gil Hill.
388
00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,375
He was probably
the biggest celebrity
389
00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:17,333
in the city of Detroit
at the time.
390
00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,417
{\an8}Gil Hill, to me, was a lot more
391
00:15:19,458 --> 00:15:20,333
{\an8}than the Beverly Hills Cop
392
00:15:20,375 --> 00:15:22,041
{\an8}that you see on TV.
393
00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,125
He actually trained me.
394
00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,375
He actually taught me
the ins and outs
395
00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:28,291
of investigations
and interrogations.
396
00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542
Was Gil Hill
affiliated with the drug world?
397
00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:33,583
Affiliated?
398
00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,291
Yeah, he was affiliated.
399
00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:41,542
{\an8}He basically got us
to stay away from certain people
400
00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:43,709
{\an8}that he wanted to protect.
401
00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:46,583
He'd tell us, "Hey, man,
don't be hitting this.
402
00:15:46,625 --> 00:15:47,917
Don't do this and that.
403
00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:50,291
'Cause if you made our list,
404
00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,375
you was gonna be killed."
405
00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:56,625
I have nothing bad
to say about Gil Hill.
406
00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,500
He wanted homicides closed.
407
00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:00,834
And he wanted
to get some resolve
408
00:16:00,875 --> 00:16:03,208
{\an8}to the brutality
of taking another person's life.
409
00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709
So you're telling me
that the head of homicide came to you-
410
00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,917
and asked who you've got on
your hit list?
411
00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:09,709
Yeah.
412
00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:10,917
Gil.
413
00:16:11,417 --> 00:16:13,083
As Gil would say,
414
00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,166
"Anybody else on your list?
I don't give a fuck."
415
00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,875
That's not the Gil Hill
that I know.
416
00:16:17,917 --> 00:16:19,417
That doesn't mean
that, of course,
417
00:16:19,458 --> 00:16:21,125
people don't have dark sides.
418
00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,083
'Cause I, too, believe
that all people have dark sides.
419
00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,500
So we would have
to listen to Gil
420
00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:27,709
because he gonna do us
a favor later.
421
00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,542
In order for us
to get favors from him,
422
00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:31,917
we got to do favors
for him as well,
423
00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:33,500
one hand washes the other.
424
00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:35,709
{\an8}He was a guy
with quite a bit of cache.
425
00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:40,000
{\an8}He had, he had his eyes set
on the mayor's office himself.
426
00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,375
{\an8} I think he viewed himself
427
00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,375
{\an8}as Coleman Young's successor.
428
00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,250
One of the nation's
best-known mayors,
429
00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:46,333
Coleman Young of Detroit,
430
00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:49,792
is getting a kind of
national attention these days
431
00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:50,667
that no politician wants.
432
00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:54,667
{\an8}Coleman Young was
a notoriously corrupt mayor
433
00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,458
{\an8}that never got convicted
or indicted.
434
00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,709
The latest involves charges
435
00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,792
that his police chief
436
00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,792
stole from a fund set up
for undercover drug buys.
437
00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,583
And who the do you think you are
438
00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,458
to come in here
and cross-examine me?
439
00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,375
He drew enormous animosity
440
00:17:09,417 --> 00:17:12,041
{\an8}from a number of white residents
441
00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:14,917
{\an8}who blamed him
for great social ills.
442
00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,917
And I know a number of people
including a number of federal
443
00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,291
and local
law enforcement figures
444
00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,542
that thought that he was steeped
445
00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,625
totally in corruption.
446
00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:24,959
I don't buy that.
447
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,250
I think there are people
around him were.
448
00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:29,834
So, lots of members
of federal law enforcement
449
00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,375
had a giant agenda
to go get Coleman Young.
450
00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:35,458
And try to tie parts
of his administration
451
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:37,500
into the Curry organization.
452
00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:40,625
{\an8}Johnny and Leo Curry
were convicted
453
00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:43,875
and did a plea agreement
for 20 years.
454
00:17:43,917 --> 00:17:45,792
{\an8}I did 14 years.
455
00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,291
{\an8}I got a 20-year sentence,
I did 14, and came out.
456
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:52,542
And one day, I get a tip
457
00:17:52,583 --> 00:17:55,542
that they were gonna raid
Cathy Volsan-Curry's townhouse.
458
00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:57,750
The Feds go in there,
459
00:17:57,792 --> 00:17:59,667
and guess who's in there,
460
00:17:59,709 --> 00:18:01,041
in bed with Cathy Volsan-Curry?
461
00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:02,875
Richard Wershe, Jr.
462
00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:05,834
Imagine my editors asking me,
463
00:18:05,875 --> 00:18:06,875
"What have you got going today?"
464
00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:08,792
I said, "Well,
465
00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:11,125
an alleged notorious
17-year-old drug dealer
466
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:12,458
was caught in a raid,
467
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,208
sleeping with the niece
of the mayor
468
00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,500
on a Friday afternoon."
469
00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:18,000
That's a bad day
for the Mayor's Office.
470
00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:21,625
You had race, you had drugs,
471
00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:24,500
{\an8}you had sex,
you had political intrigue,
472
00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:26,583
{\an8}you had police corruption.
473
00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:31,583
{\an8}So now, Rick Wershe
is dating Coleman Young's niece.
474
00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,458
{\an8}And that's a problem
for Coleman Young.
475
00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,500
And it becomes a problem
for Rick Wershe.
476
00:18:35,542 --> 00:18:37,458
{\an8} Wershe was busted
477
00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,750
{\an8}for possessing eight kilos
of cocaine.
478
00:18:39,792 --> 00:18:42,583
The charge which now has him
serving a life sentence.
479
00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:44,959
You're not trying
to tell me that...
480
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,458
you're an angel,
481
00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,083
that you never did
anything wrong, right?
482
00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:50,250
I've been involved
in wrongdoing,
483
00:18:50,291 --> 00:18:53,458
but I don't feel I did anything
to receive a life sentence.
484
00:18:55,542 --> 00:18:57,625
The 650-Lifer Law
485
00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,667
that, uh, Wershe
was convicted under,
486
00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:02,000
{\an8}uh, was repealed in 1998.
487
00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,875
So the Supreme Court
of the State of Michigan said,
488
00:19:06,917 --> 00:19:10,375
"That constitutes cruel
and unusual punishment,
489
00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,333
so you can't sentence people
to life without parole
490
00:19:14,375 --> 00:19:15,750
for a non-violent crime.
491
00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,291
But to be incarcerated
for 28 years,
492
00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:29,583
he's now a grandfather.
493
00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,709
And everybody kinda recognized
494
00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,667
it was a fool's errand
from the beginning.
495
00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:36,542
{\an8}Just like almost all
tough on crime things
496
00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,875
{\an8}turned out to be
a fool's errand.
497
00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,750
Until the law was changed,
I don't think they caught one,
498
00:19:41,792 --> 00:19:44,750
not one large-scale drug dealer.
499
00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,667
Were you ever a cocaine kingpin?
500
00:19:47,709 --> 00:19:50,041
And then in the press,
they come out and say,
501
00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,834
"Drug kingpin White Boy Rick."
502
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,542
{\an8}Kingpin of what?
503
00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,375
{\an8}Who?
504
00:19:57,417 --> 00:19:58,834
{\an8}He didn't have a drug gang,
505
00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:00,542
{\an8}he didn't have crack houses.
506
00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:02,208
- You ever kill anyone?
- No.
507
00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,583
- Ever ordered anyone killed?
- No.
508
00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:05,875
{\an8} I'm sorry to tell you,
509
00:20:05,917 --> 00:20:08,709
{\an8}that the legend
of White Boy Rick
510
00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,250
{\an8}is just not true.
511
00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:16,583
Why would a juvenile,
non-violent drug offender
512
00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,208
be kept in prison
beyond 29 years?
513
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,083
I did way more than he
could possibly ever had done
514
00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,000
{\an8}to get that kind of a sentence.
515
00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:30,125
Third world countries
don't incarcerate like this.
516
00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:36,041
How does a 16
or 17-year-old kid,
517
00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,667
Richard Wershe, Jr.,
518
00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:40,667
{\an8}how does he get connected
to the Curry family?
519
00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,000
Here's the truth.
520
00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:48,667
At the age of 14,
I was recruited by the FBI-
521
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000
to become an informant.
522
00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:03,834
{\an8} It's a convoluted story.
523
00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:07,750
{\an8}So when I met, uh,
Richard Wershe, Sr.,
524
00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,625
{\an8}he had been opened up
as an informant
525
00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,083
{\an8}and operated, uh,
for a period of time
526
00:21:12,125 --> 00:21:13,542
{\an8}by two other agents.
527
00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:17,125
He was a gun dealer,
uh, he was an entrepreneur.
528
00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:18,750
{\an8}There was no end
to what he was doing.
529
00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:19,792
{\an8}If he was in one thing,
530
00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:21,709
{\an8}he was always dabbling
in the next.
531
00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:24,417
But he was very brilliant,
532
00:21:24,458 --> 00:21:26,458
he invented a lot of things.
533
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,125
And I think he probably held
more patents
534
00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,875
than anyone
in the state of Michigan.
535
00:21:31,917 --> 00:21:33,667
{\an8}I think he also had a business,
536
00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,792
{\an8}where he would illegally
sell guns on the black market.
537
00:21:37,834 --> 00:21:39,500
{\an8}And help people get permits.
538
00:21:39,542 --> 00:21:42,166
{\an8}He even sold silencers.
539
00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,667
{\an8}He could get you anything.
He could get you grenades.
540
00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:48,959
{\an8}And then, kind of played
both ends of the game,
541
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,083
{\an8}he would then divulge
542
00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:55,041
{\an8}who he was selling
these guns to, to the FBI.
543
00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,667
{\an8}At the top of the list
of their targets
544
00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,709
{\an8}is Johnny Curry
and the Curry gang.
545
00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:04,750
So the first time
I met Wershe, Sr.
546
00:22:04,792 --> 00:22:08,417
{\an8}Uh, it was at a McDonald's
on the west side of Detroit.
547
00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,166
{\an8}And, uh, when I walked
into the restaurant,
548
00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:12,500
{\an8}and after introductions
were made,
549
00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:14,834
{\an8}I noticed, uh, he's got
this young kid with him.
550
00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,750
It appeared to me
to be 15 or so.
551
00:22:16,792 --> 00:22:18,125
And when we got talking about
552
00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:19,750
the Curry, uh,
drug investigation,
553
00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:23,792
I noticed the father
would defer to the son.
554
00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125
{\an8}My dad didn't really
know who these people were.
555
00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,625
And pretty soon,
it became apparent to me
556
00:22:28,667 --> 00:22:31,000
that really, the kid is somehow
557
00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,375
the real source
of the information.
558
00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667
And I kind of interjected
and told them who they were-
559
00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:38,917
and recognized them from
the neighborhood.
560
00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:40,041
I just didn't feel comfortable
with it.
561
00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,667
I didn't think
it was appropriate.
562
00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:43,166
But I wanted to keep
the channels
563
00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:44,500
of communication open.
564
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,500
I believe Richard
himself, quickly realized
565
00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:50,667
{\an8}that the target for this
was big game.
566
00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:54,875
He was using his son
to get paid.
567
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,875
It's not the role of a father
to do something like that.
568
00:22:59,875 --> 00:23:01,792
And this was something
that I think
569
00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,750
started off as one thing,
570
00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,709
and ended as another thing.
571
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:08,458
It started off where they would,
you know, sometimes pick Rick up
572
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,375
and they drive him
through the neighborhood.
573
00:23:10,417 --> 00:23:12,458
And they say, "Rick, tell us
who this guy is.
574
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,125
Tell us what that spot is.
What's that spot?"
575
00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,291
So here's this 14-year-old kid
576
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,458
getting paid money
to inform on narcotics dealers
577
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,125
in the city of Detroit.
578
00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,166
In the short time he was
an informant for the police,
579
00:23:23,208 --> 00:23:27,458
he collected about $35,000
from law enforcement.
580
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,208
I went shopping, I bought stuff.
581
00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:32,166
I bought a car when I was
15 years old.
582
00:23:32,208 --> 00:23:34,291
{\an8}It's funny to me how people
always talk about
583
00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,291
{\an8}what criminals will do
to make a dollar.
584
00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,542
But, you know,
on the same regard,
585
00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,875
you got to look
at what the FBI will do
586
00:23:40,917 --> 00:23:41,875
to make an arrest.
587
00:23:43,417 --> 00:23:45,250
He was actually instructed
588
00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,041
to infiltrate
the Curry Boys gang.
589
00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:49,875
{\an8}And start hanging out
with the Currys,
590
00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:51,917
{\an8}pretending that you wanna
learn the drug game
591
00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:54,000
{\an8}to start making controlled buys.
592
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,667
{\an8}We had started letting him do
little errands
593
00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:57,583
{\an8}and then he started knowing
a few people that...
594
00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,125
{\an8}you figured that
when a white boy sells it,
595
00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:01,750
the dope is good or whatever.
596
00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,875
You know, so he started
doing his thing.
597
00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:05,667
He didn't play
a really major role.
598
00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:07,250
Nobody would mess
with him, though,
599
00:24:07,291 --> 00:24:09,333
because they knew
he was coming from us, so.
600
00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:11,083
{\an8}You know,
within a couple of months,
601
00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:13,250
{\an8}Rick is right by
Johnny Curry's side.
602
00:24:13,291 --> 00:24:14,583
{\an8}And has become a protégé
of Johnny Curry's.
603
00:24:14,875 --> 00:24:17,917
I don't think anybody realized
604
00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,709
that Rick would be able
to do that.
605
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:21,875
Let alone, do it so quickly.
606
00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,208
And were they able
to make any arrests
607
00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,458
out of your information?
608
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,458
{\an8}Oh, yeah. Numerous.
609
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,291
Go, go, go!
610
00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,625
- Police!
611
00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:31,291
When Rick would say,
612
00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,667
"Hey, the dope's coming
to this house,"
613
00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:34,041
the dope would come
to that house.
614
00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:36,083
The police would make a raid,
615
00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:37,792
they would confiscate
the drugs and money,
616
00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:38,959
and, uh,
they would be successful.
617
00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,542
Yeah I believe in one time-
618
00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:44,959
{\an8}in '85 I think it's-
619
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,333
eleven or thirteen in one day.
620
00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,083
You know, the whole business
621
00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:57,458
of operating informants,
622
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,959
it's a cat and mouse game.
623
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,583
{\an8}And just because somebody
has an informant
624
00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,709
{\an8}designated as the handler
for the informant,
625
00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,500
doesn't preclude that informant
626
00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,500
from being utilized
by other agencies,
627
00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:10,333
Such as the Detroit
Police Department.
628
00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:14,083
Uh, we had DEA involved,
the FBI involved.
629
00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:16,792
We had United States Customs,
630
00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:18,250
Michigan State Police,
631
00:25:18,291 --> 00:25:20,166
we had Detroit Police.
632
00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:22,250
That's actually
what was going on.
633
00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:24,000
The Detroit Police
Department officers
634
00:25:24,041 --> 00:25:26,500
were also using, uh, this kid
635
00:25:26,542 --> 00:25:28,041
in undercover capacity.
636
00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,000
Uh, using him to make buys,
undercover buys.
637
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,917
He's going
in unmarked police cars,
638
00:25:37,959 --> 00:25:39,667
uh, at night, with the police.
639
00:25:39,709 --> 00:25:41,333
{\an8}Driving around,
identifying people
640
00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:43,583
{\an8}at certain clubs.
641
00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,250
And he ain't getting home
till three in the morning.
642
00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:53,667
And he's got to wake up at00
to go to school.
643
00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083
I mean they weren't
saying, "Oh, quit school."
644
00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:57,750
But they were saying-
645
00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,083
you know,
"we need you to do this."
646
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,709
And I'd say
"well I've got school tomorrow."
647
00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,333
And they said
"so what, we still" -
648
00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,375
you know,
"go down to this club for us."
649
00:26:04,417 --> 00:26:07,208
"You're wasting too much time
in Math class.
650
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,125
You need to be
on the street for us,
651
00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:09,875
getting us information."
652
00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:18,166
At some point,
653
00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:20,375
as the fall progressed in 1984,
654
00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:22,792
{\an8}Johnny Curry
was given information
655
00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,083
{\an8}that Rick Wershe
was an informant.
656
00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:28,166
Rick Wershe was giving
the Feds information
657
00:26:28,208 --> 00:26:29,917
and people were getting busted.
658
00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:32,333
So they knew somebody
was, was leaking information,
659
00:26:32,375 --> 00:26:34,208
and they would have meetings,
660
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,208
talking about who
the informant might be.
661
00:26:36,959 --> 00:26:38,875
There were a lot
of people on the street
662
00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,000
that believed that Johnny Curry
ordered Rick Wershe's murder.
663
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:45,041
{\an8}So I remember being at the home
664
00:26:45,083 --> 00:26:46,625
{\an8}that my boyfriend and I shared,
665
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:47,959
{\an8}and he said,
"Here comes your dad."
666
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,542
{\an8}And I said,
"Tell him I'm not here."
667
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,959
And I was standing
in the bedroom
668
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,667
listening to him talk to my dad
at the front door
669
00:26:54,709 --> 00:26:56,166
and my dad said,
670
00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,500
"Tell her,
her brother's been shot."
671
00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:58,625
And right then,
I fell to the floor.
672
00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,250
I got in the car with my dad
and we went to the hospital.
673
00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:05,709
{\an8}Rick was with a, uh,
another Curry lieutenant,
674
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,333
who was a couple years
older than him.
675
00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834
We were in the
house Approximately five minutes.
676
00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,917
We were both
skipping school that day.
677
00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,125
He went upstairs.
678
00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,333
And after a couple of minutes,
679
00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,792
says, "Hey, Rick.
Come over here.
680
00:27:17,834 --> 00:27:18,792
Come to the stairs."
681
00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458
As soon as I hit the top of the stairs
682
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,667
he comes out of the bedroom,
shoots me in the stomach.
683
00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,500
He was shot at close range
684
00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:27,709
{\an8}with a .357 magnum.
685
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:29,875
{\an8}Went in the front, out the back,
686
00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:32,625
{\an8}blew his large intestine
in half.
687
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959
I believe I rolled down the stairs.
688
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,458
{\an8}I was asking them to call 911.
He wouldn't call 911-
689
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,959
he was in a panic.
690
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,959
{\an8}By the grace of God his
girlfriend walked in the house.
691
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,333
And she's the one
that called 911.
692
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125
{\an8}The guy that shot me-his older brother and
a friend of his were putting me in the car.
693
00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333
{\an8}I don't know if they were going to take me to
a hospital or take me somewhere and dump me.
694
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,834
{\an8}Finally an ambulance showed up
and blocked them off and-
695
00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:00,959
{\an8}told them to give me
to them and-
696
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,125
basically that ambulance ride
saved my life.
697
00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:08,250
I had nothing to do
with his getting shot.
698
00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:10,667
{\an8}If an agent said it
or whoever said it,
699
00:28:10,709 --> 00:28:12,417
{\an8}a police officer,
whoever said it,
700
00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:15,208
{\an8}they're way out of order, then.
701
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,917
Rick's family
and the task force all arrived
702
00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:20,125
in the waiting room
of the hospital.
703
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:21,834
{\an8}There's a physical altercation
704
00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:25,041
{\an8}between Richard
and the FBI handlers.
705
00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,166
Richard blames them
for getting his son shot
706
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,834
and, at that time,
thinking he might die.
707
00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:35,166
The task force were kind of
huddled by the snack machines.
708
00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:39,291
They had realized
that if he died,
709
00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:41,291
the fact that they had been
using a 14-year-old kid
710
00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:42,917
to infiltrate druggings
711
00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:44,375
was gonna come to the surface
712
00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:46,250
and it would be a scandal
of all scandals.
713
00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:48,875
{\an8}The surgeon, Dr. Bowles,
714
00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:51,458
{\an8}that performed surgery
and saved Rick's life
715
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:52,917
sat next to his bedside.
716
00:28:52,959 --> 00:28:54,917
{\an8}I believe it was for ten
or twelve hours.
717
00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500
{\an8}Because he didn't think
he was gonna make it.
718
00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,875
{\an8}But he did, thank god.
719
00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,125
I really honestly believe
this is a turning point.
720
00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,208
Because he could've
pumped the brakes.
721
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:06,000
He could've said,
"You know what? This is crazy.
722
00:29:06,041 --> 00:29:08,083
We almost got this kid killed.
723
00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,625
We need to stop everything
right now
724
00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,166
and just do this, you know,
by the book."
725
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:15,083
But, instead,
726
00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,041
members of that task force
came with a conclusion
727
00:29:17,083 --> 00:29:19,583
this would increase
his credibility.
728
00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083
The police told me to
say the shooting was an acident-
729
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:25,542
because it was the best way to
sweep it under the rug-
730
00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917
and I could continue to work for
them if I said it was an accident.
731
00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,625
We're gonna push it
into high gear.
732
00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,750
We're gonna send him
back in to the Curry gang
733
00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:36,083
and if there was any belief
734
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:38,333
that he was an informant before,
735
00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,208
that belief was gonna go
out the window
736
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,750
because if he was a snitch,
737
00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:44,125
Johnny Curry would be
in handcuffs right now.
738
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,125
So, by the mere fact
of him going back
739
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,750
to his old neighborhood,
740
00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:50,333
it built up his reputation
as a drug dealer,
741
00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,792
uh, not an informant.
742
00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,041
It almost helped him
in that regard.
743
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,959
{\an8} During Rick's recovery,
744
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959
{\an8}Johnny Curry called him
and, you know, said,
745
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000
{\an8}"Where have you been?
What's going on?"
746
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,917
Eventually, Rick met him
747
00:30:00,959 --> 00:30:04,000
and was kinda like
confronted him.
748
00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:05,083
{\an8}"You thought I was an informant.
749
00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:06,291
{\an8}You had me shot."
750
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,458
And Johnny denied it.
751
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,333
{\an8}Now, he might've mentioned it.
752
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:10,542
{\an8}I don't know.
753
00:30:11,083 --> 00:30:12,625
I had nothing to do with it.
754
00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:14,375
But from that point forward,
755
00:30:14,417 --> 00:30:17,166
Rick was in tighter than ever.
756
00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:21,834
And we're live
757
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834
{\an8}from Caesars Palace
in Las Vegas, Nevada.
758
00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:28,333
Where Top Rank presents
World Championship Boxing.
759
00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,333
Johnny Curry and his entourage
760
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,875
{\an8}had gone to Las Vegas
to the Hearns-Hagler fight.
761
00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,542
{\an8}Fighting out
of Detroit, Michigan...
762
00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,333
{\an8}Tommy Hearns who was
Detroit's favorite son
763
00:30:39,375 --> 00:30:41,041
in the boxing game at that time,
764
00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,000
{\an8}was facing off against
"Marvelous" Marvin Hagler.
765
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,250
And all of the major
urban drug dealers of Detroit
766
00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:47,250
went to the fight.
767
00:30:49,375 --> 00:30:51,291
And this was
the golden era of boxing.
768
00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,792
The Tommy Hearns-
Marvin Hagler fight
769
00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,834
was all anybody
was talking about in sports.
770
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,667
{\an8}Tommy Hearns grew up
and socialized
771
00:30:56,709 --> 00:30:58,709
{\an8}with a lot of the black
drug dealers in the era.
772
00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:00,792
{\an8}And the kind of joke was,
773
00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,834
last guy in Detroit
turn off the lights.
774
00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,458
{\an8}I was asked to go out there and-
775
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,834
{\an8}get information about some
people that were-
776
00:31:10,875 --> 00:31:12,625
{\an8}involved in the drug trade-
777
00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,834
{\an8}and their corrections and-
778
00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,000
{\an8}how the drugs were coming in
and-
779
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,583
{\an8}just basically as much intel as
I could from out there.
780
00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:22,333
{\an8}I was given a fake ID.
781
00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:26,166
{\an8}I was 15 at the time-the ID
made me 21 years old.
782
00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,458
So, they gave him money,
they gave him false ID,
783
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,667
and they set him up in a casino.
784
00:31:30,709 --> 00:31:32,750
This is insanity.
785
00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125
There's an FBI
report detailing that and it shows-
786
00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:37,709
I think they gave me-
787
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:39,583
like $1,500-
788
00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,583
on a receipt and then I think
they gave me like another-
789
00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,709
thousand or 1,500 bucks for
pocket money.
790
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,333
While they're at the fight,
791
00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,333
Johnny Curry and his entourage's
reservations and fight tickets
792
00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:54,542
mysteriously disappear.
793
00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:57,333
Or maybe disappear
is the wrong word.
794
00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,166
They never really existed
to start.
795
00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,250
{\an8}Johnny had reached out
to a member of his crew
796
00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:04,375
{\an8}by a guy of a name of Leon Lucas
797
00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,625
{\an8}and him and Johnny
had kinda gotten into a beef
798
00:32:06,667 --> 00:32:08,625
{\an8}over drugs and money
799
00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,834
that had been
confiscated in a raid.
800
00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,917
Johnny Curry
held him responsible
801
00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:15,625
for the drugs and money.
802
00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:17,375
{\an8}And Leon said, "Let me start
803
00:32:17,417 --> 00:32:18,917
{\an8}to try to make it up for you.
804
00:32:18,959 --> 00:32:21,500
{\an8}I will provide you
hotel arrangements
805
00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,542
and tickets
for the Hagler-Hearns fight.
806
00:32:23,583 --> 00:32:25,166
{\an8}Now, he assured Johnny Curry
807
00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:26,667
{\an8}that it would all
be taken care of.
808
00:32:26,709 --> 00:32:29,250
{\an8}Well, when Curry
and his posse got out there,
809
00:32:29,291 --> 00:32:31,500
nothing was handled,
nothing was taken care of.
810
00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:34,625
And when he got back to Detroit,
811
00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,333
some of his lieutenants
812
00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,500
not at the direction
of Johnny Curry himself,
813
00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:39,500
but some of his lieutenants
814
00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,750
went over to Leon Lucas' house
in an effort to intimidate him.
815
00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:48,083
{\an8}What those individuals
that went there decided to do
816
00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,542
{\an8}was to shoot the place up
in a drive-by shooting.
817
00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,083
Unfortunately, for them,
818
00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:54,250
Leon Lucas isn't there.
819
00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:09,000
{\an8} And in the process,
820
00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,375
{\an8}Leon's nephew, Damion Lucas,
who was 13-years old,
821
00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:12,542
{\an8}and was living with him,
822
00:33:12,583 --> 00:33:13,458
{\an8}was shot and killed.
823
00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,458
{\an8}And this becomes
a very hot topic
824
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,625
{\an8}in law enforcement.
825
00:33:18,667 --> 00:33:20,333
{\an8} On the news,
826
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,709
"13-year-old Killed
in Drive-by."
827
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:22,792
You know, I heard Johnny Curry,
828
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,333
uh, on wiretaps.
829
00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:27,417
{\an8}Uh, shortly after we got
the authority to tap his phone.
830
00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,834
{\an8}And he was lamenting,
whoever he was talking with,
831
00:33:30,875 --> 00:33:32,208
that, "You know, those guys
832
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,041
shouldn't have gone over there.
833
00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:35,750
I told them don't go
over there."
834
00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:37,750
He was sorry that this whole
thing had taken place.
835
00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:40,083
Probably because it was
bringing a lot of heat
836
00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,959
on him, uh,
and his drug organization.
837
00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:52,667
{\an8}Rick Wershe comes back
into play in this whole story.
838
00:33:52,709 --> 00:33:54,834
{\an8}And that Rick says
839
00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,166
he was, uh, listening in on
a phone conversation
840
00:33:57,208 --> 00:33:59,333
over a speakerphone,
841
00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,291
and he heard Johnny Curry
talking to Gil Hill.
842
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625
And that's when I found out that Gil Hill was
responsible for covering up the kid's murder.
843
00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:11,250
Johnny placed a call to Gil, put
it on speaker-
844
00:34:11,291 --> 00:34:14,041
we were riding around in
Johnny's BMW.
845
00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041
Basically Gil told him
everything that was going on, and-
846
00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250
you know-that he had it under
control, and that he would be in touch-
847
00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:22,959
not to worry about anything.
848
00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,291
He had already been to meet with
Gil and-
849
00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,792
he said he gave Gil ten grand to
cover up the kid's murder.
850
00:34:29,834 --> 00:34:31,667
This information made him
851
00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,625
incredibly dangerous
to a lot of people.
852
00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:36,542
{\an8}Johnny Curry told this to me
853
00:34:36,583 --> 00:34:38,542
{\an8}while he was incarcerated
854
00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:42,542
at the Texarkana
Federal Correctional Facility
855
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:44,667
in Texas.
856
00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,166
So, ultimately, what happened
857
00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,375
is the, uh,
Detroit Police Department,
858
00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:50,667
under the direction of Gil Hill,
859
00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,417
{\an8}uh, framed, basically,
an innocent man, LaKeas Davis.
860
00:34:54,291 --> 00:34:55,792
{\an8}I had information.
861
00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,583
Part of it was
from Richard Wershe, Jr.,
862
00:34:58,625 --> 00:35:02,041
{\an8}and part it was from
the wiretaps that we had
863
00:35:02,083 --> 00:35:04,000
that strongly suggested
864
00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,917
that they had the wrong guy
locked up.
865
00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:07,542
And he's facing a life term.
866
00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,083
Well, sometime he had tell us
867
00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,125
to put the gun
in somebody's car.
868
00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,583
One of our enemies.
869
00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,500
And then he had the police
pull up on them
870
00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:17,000
and said, "Wait, wait.
871
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,166
{\an8}Is that a gun hanging out
on your seat?"
872
00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,667
Well, the people don't know
that we just slipped the gun
873
00:35:20,709 --> 00:35:21,500
in their car.
874
00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,709
Same way we did
with a pot of drugs.
875
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,625
He used to tell us to set
people up with drug bust too.
876
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,125
That's the way they get busses.
877
00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,291
{\an8}Subsequently, I was ordered
878
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,125
{\an8}by my special agent in charge
879
00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:37,458
to gather all
of the information that we had
880
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,709
with regards to
the Damion Lucas murder
881
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,583
and take it directly
to Chief Hart
882
00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,000
of the Detroit
Police Department.
883
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,291
I did so and nothing
ever occurred.
884
00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:57,792
To this day, it's still
an open investigation.
885
00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:01,917
{\an8}In fact, LaKeas Davis
remained in jail
886
00:36:01,959 --> 00:36:03,583
{\an8}was facing a trial.
887
00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,750
{\an8}And so I made sure
Davis' defense attorney
888
00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,250
got the information
that he needed
889
00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:09,792
to get him exonerated.
890
00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,834
{\an8}Ultimately, that resulted
in me being subpoenaed
891
00:36:12,875 --> 00:36:14,583
{\an8}to state court.
892
00:36:14,625 --> 00:36:16,583
{\an8}And where demands were met on me
893
00:36:16,625 --> 00:36:18,542
{\an8}to reveal the source
of the information.
894
00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,709
Well, it became
very touch-and-go
895
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,583
{\an8}because there would be
extreme retaliation
896
00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,458
{\an8}against the Wershe family.
897
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,500
And so I refused to do it.
898
00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,917
And, um, I was threatened
with contempt of court.
899
00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:33,291
Ultimately, they dismissed
the case against LaKeas Davis
900
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,917
and they freed him
at that point.
901
00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:37,500
And Gil Hill was investigated
902
00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:39,750
for his role
in taking a possible payoff
903
00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959
and possibly
burying these charges.
904
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,959
He was never charged.
905
00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,208
And when Gil Hill ran for mayor,
this case came up
906
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,625
and was a detriment
to his campaign.
907
00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,041
{\an8}At that point, I didn't realize
to, uh, what extent
908
00:36:55,083 --> 00:36:56,792
{\an8}the corruption had spread
909
00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:58,083
{\an8}throughout
the police department.
910
00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,583
When we did the raid
on Cathy Volsan-Curry's house
911
00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:05,500
which was in June of 1987,
912
00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:09,625
{\an8}we found a laminated card
exactly like this one,
913
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:13,291
{\an8}holding the personal
and confidential information
914
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,250
from Gil Hill and Jimmy Harris
915
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:17,291
which ended up being
916
00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,834
the beginning of all the rumors
917
00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:21,333
that we had heard
918
00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,125
with regards to
the funneling of information
919
00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:26,500
from the Detroit
Police Department
920
00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:28,667
to the Curry organization.
921
00:37:28,709 --> 00:37:31,709
So was that uncommon for Cathy
to have that kind of access?
922
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,792
She had access
to anything she wanted.
923
00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:35,709
Like what?
924
00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:38,834
Police reports,
surveillance reports,
925
00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,667
whatever you wanted.
926
00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:41,750
On Johnny?
927
00:37:42,709 --> 00:37:44,542
Johnny, myself,
928
00:37:45,166 --> 00:37:47,625
other people
who needed this stuff.
929
00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,250
{\an8}So, if she said
to Sgt. Jimmy Harris,
930
00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:53,667
{\an8}"I need to know what
the narcotics cops are doing
931
00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,834
{\an8}on Rick, on Johnny,
on anybody else,"
932
00:37:57,875 --> 00:37:59,333
he would flip them to her?
933
00:37:59,959 --> 00:38:01,208
No problem.
934
00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,250
{\an8}The matter
of the Damion Lucas murder
935
00:38:05,291 --> 00:38:06,333
was never resolved.
936
00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:07,834
I knew who did it
937
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,458
and, but, uh, proving it
is something else.
938
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500
Truthfully I wish I never woulda got
roped into the Damion Lucas thing, because-
939
00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583
I didn't know 30 years later it
would still be affecting my life.
940
00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:30,458
{\an8}Well, I was, uh, told
to kill White Boy Rick.
941
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,000
{\an8}We heard that he was telling.
942
00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,917
So, they say,
"We gotta kill that white boy."
943
00:38:35,959 --> 00:38:37,166
My career is finished.
944
00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,792
But I promise you,
I won't go down alone.
945
00:38:40,834 --> 00:38:42,250
I know after he did, uh,
946
00:38:42,291 --> 00:38:44,000
Beverly Hill Cops and all that,
947
00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:45,709
he was trying to stay away
from everybody.
948
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:50,041
But he would meet you somewhere
as long as he feel he was safe.
949
00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:54,500
Like he would meet you out
at The Island in Waterfront.
950
00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:56,208
But, yeah, uh...
951
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,667
He said that basically,
he wants us to make sure
952
00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:01,625
that we kill White Boy Rick.
953
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,166
Make sure that boy is dead.
954
00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,041
But we gotta make sure that
it don't lead back to no one.
955
00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,333
I said, "Well, you know me.
956
00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:12,333
All my hits don't lead back
to no one."
957
00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:18,917
Rick had got in deeper
958
00:39:18,959 --> 00:39:20,959
and had risen higher
959
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,709
than anyone ever thought
he could.
960
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,583
At some point these guys said-
961
00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:28,000
sooner or later something's
going to go bad-
962
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,166
and we're going to be held
accountable.
963
00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:31,709
They don't debrief him.
964
00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,917
They don't send him
to a boarding school
965
00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:36,834
where he can get over
966
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,000
what they've just
subjected him to.
967
00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:41,458
They turn him loose
on the streets.
968
00:39:41,792 --> 00:39:44,291
It wasn't like they ever said-
969
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,417
"Rick, stop selling drugs."
970
00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,417
"Rick, stop buying drugs."
971
00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:50,792
One day they just never called
again-
972
00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,250
and that's how we broke ties.
973
00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:53,959
{\an8}He wasn't gonna go
back to school.
974
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,959
{\an8}He knew the drug trade.
975
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,625
{\an8}So, he became a drug dealer.
976
00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,125
I became addicted to
the lifestyle.
977
00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:01,959
I became addicted to the money.
978
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
I became addicted to the women.
979
00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:05,291
I became addicted to that life.
980
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,000
The only difference was,
981
00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:09,166
you know, he wasn't getting
a government stipend.
982
00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,917
They had gleaned enough
information and intelligence
983
00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:14,959
from him regarding
the Curry gang
984
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,333
that the indictment
was on the horizon.
985
00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,500
The indictment would drop
within a couple months.
986
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:24,500
Rick will tell you that
987
00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:28,875
it wasn't the smartest thing
to do, to date the wife
988
00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,291
of a man you put in prison
or help put in prison.
989
00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:32,625
Uh, but it happened.
990
00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:33,917
{\an8}I still wouldn't hold nothing
against that.
991
00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,333
{\an8}She was getting high.
What can you say, so...
992
00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,750
I was a 17 year old
kid-I was having fun.
993
00:40:40,792 --> 00:40:43,083
To be honest, dating her back
then was like-
994
00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,000
dating a movie star or
something.
995
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,667
I remember one time,
back in those days,
996
00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:50,208
I had a '63 black
Corvette convertible
997
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:51,792
with red interior.
998
00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,583
And I'm driving it downtown.
999
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,792
Who comes driving by?
1000
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:57,250
Rick Wershe and his friends.
1001
00:40:57,291 --> 00:40:59,166
And I forget what kind of car
1002
00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:00,291
but it was relatively
new and nice.
1003
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,875
"Hey, Chris. What's going on?"
1004
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:02,792
- You speed off.
1005
00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,208
He was enjoying
the celebrity moment.
1006
00:41:06,875 --> 00:41:08,917
He was a kid.
1007
00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:10,959
And he was famous for all
the wrong reasons
1008
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,333
but he was living the life.
1009
00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:14,959
{\an8}But I knew that was
White Boy Rick's ride.
1010
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,083
So we followed him.
1011
00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,250
I speeded up
trying to get to him.
1012
00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:24,417
Me and Roy were sitting
at a stoplight in a car-
1013
00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542
and I happened to look over my
shoulder and I seen a van pulling up.
1014
00:41:28,583 --> 00:41:30,542
And I saw the door sliding-
1015
00:41:30,583 --> 00:41:32,250
it was like cracked open.
1016
00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,875
And I told Roy, I said, "Roy,
run the light!"
1017
00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,917
We stopped.
That side door pulled open.
1018
00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:38,291
Who's siting in the chair?
1019
00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,000
"Man, hand me
another gun," I said.
1020
00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:44,500
I think we better reach
up in the...
1021
00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,875
By that time,
they had speeded off.
1022
00:41:46,917 --> 00:41:49,875
I mean they got shots
off-the car was hit.
1023
00:41:49,917 --> 00:41:51,917
That's the only reason why
he was still alive.
1024
00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:53,875
That MAC jammed on us.
1025
00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:57,709
I had friends that were
murdered.
1026
00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,417
To be honest, you're a kid and
you don't realize-
1027
00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,291
everyday that you were playing
with fire-
1028
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834
that you could walk out your
door one day and your life would be over.
1029
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,709
And in that period of time,
1030
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,041
he became what is known
as a "wait man."
1031
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,375
As a wait man,
he had a line of credit
1032
00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,834
with some drug importers
in Miami.
1033
00:42:29,458 --> 00:42:31,750
He brought a lot of drugs
into Detroit
1034
00:42:31,792 --> 00:42:33,125
in a very short period of time.
1035
00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:34,417
He was not a drug dealer
for very long,
1036
00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,166
but he was nowhere near
the big-time drug dealers.
1037
00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,291
From a scale to one to ten,
1038
00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,875
{\an8}I'm a ten,
I'd say he was about a two.
1039
00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:44,959
Rick was nowhere near me.
1040
00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,417
Guys like the Chambers
or guys like the Currys
1041
00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:52,542
they controlled whole sections
of the city.
1042
00:42:53,083 --> 00:42:55,125
Rick didn't control anything.
1043
00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:56,959
{\an8}I used to say,
"Where did they...
1044
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,083
{\an8}Where is they getting
this stuff from?
1045
00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,500
I guess this Chris Hansen guy.
I don't know."
1046
00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:04,166
I never set out
to make Rick look like
1047
00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,917
a bigger drug dealer
than he was.
1048
00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:08,542
Were there some exaggerations?
1049
00:43:08,583 --> 00:43:09,875
Perhaps.
1050
00:43:09,917 --> 00:43:11,000
There were seeds of truth
1051
00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:13,208
to what they were saying.
1052
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,792
He was socializing with all
of the major players,
1053
00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:18,834
so it was hard for the media
to divorce that.
1054
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:21,166
{\an8}You know, whether he was
a drug kingpin,
1055
00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:24,834
{\an8}a drug lord, a drug prince,
a drug prodigy,
1056
00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,959
{\an8}he was a 17-year-old kid
dealing multi-kilos of dope
1057
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
and very few adults do that.
1058
00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,041
{\an8}Rick couldn't deal
with a lot of guys...
1059
00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:35,083
{\an8}A lot of people
that I've dealt with,
1060
00:43:35,125 --> 00:43:36,834
Rick couldn't even see them.
1061
00:43:36,875 --> 00:43:38,250
{\an8}Johnny and his brother,
1062
00:43:38,291 --> 00:43:39,959
{\an8}and his people,
they were grown men.
1063
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
{\an8}These are grown men.
1064
00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:43,291
And this was a kid.
That's the difference.
1065
00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:45,250
A 17-year-old white kid?
1066
00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,709
It was impossible for him
to have been
1067
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,208
what people have pretended
that he was.
1068
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,792
It wasn't like I went
out and said-
1069
00:43:51,834 --> 00:43:54,417
I want to become this big drug
dealer and-
1070
00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,291
want everyone in the state of
Michigan to know me.
1071
00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,250
I was led down this path by law
enforcement.
1072
00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:03,041
I think about every day if I
would have walked away.
1073
00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,417
I was a kid. I was stupid.
1074
00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:07,875
So, when you look at it
at the end of the day,
1075
00:44:07,917 --> 00:44:09,834
you know, law enforcement
1076
00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:12,166
created, almost
a perfect criminal.
1077
00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,834
And law enforcement
created the perfect persona,
1078
00:44:14,875 --> 00:44:16,625
a perfect character
for the local news,
1079
00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,417
for the local media,
and they ate it up.
1080
00:44:19,208 --> 00:44:20,417
I covered it a lot.
1081
00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,417
Rick will say
I had him on TV every day.
1082
00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:24,792
Obviously, that's not true.
1083
00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,750
He's just saying that
to make a point.
1084
00:44:26,792 --> 00:44:27,917
They convicted me
through the media,
1085
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,959
through the papers.
1086
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,875
I was the public enemy
number one
1087
00:44:31,917 --> 00:44:35,709
and they said stuff
that was totally untrue.
1088
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,500
Were there stories about him
ordering hits on people
1089
00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:40,166
that weren't true
floating around?
1090
00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:41,709
Absolutely. I heard them.
1091
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:43,166
But they never
prosecuted him for it.
1092
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:46,375
{\an8}My grandfather who was
a judge in Detroit
1093
00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,166
{\an8}at the time of Mr. Wershe's case
1094
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,166
had presided over his case
for a brief period of time.
1095
00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:54,917
And he calls him,
"Worse than a mass murderer,"
1096
00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,125
and gave him
a one-million-dollar bond.
1097
00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:59,959
It was the highest bond
my grandfather had ever set
1098
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,250
for any defendant.
1099
00:45:01,291 --> 00:45:02,625
If you have so much evidence
1100
00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,000
that he's been involved
in a drug hit,
1101
00:45:05,041 --> 00:45:06,041
bring a case.
1102
00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,333
If not,
rumors don't count in court.
1103
00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:11,959
On May 23rd, 1987,
1104
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,208
Rick Wershe and a man
named Roy Grissom
1105
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:17,792
were arrested driving
down Hampshire near Dickerson.
1106
00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:19,291
It ended with his arrest
1107
00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,625
which is kind of
an interesting story
1108
00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,959
{\an8}because it was probably a setup.
1109
00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,125
Rick, at this point,
has hooked up
1110
00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,083
{\an8}with two Colombian
wholesale cocaine dealers
1111
00:45:30,125 --> 00:45:31,917
in Miami.
1112
00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:36,291
They would send kilos up
to Detroit in trailers.
1113
00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,208
He got a shipment. I believe,
it was an 18-kilo shipment.
1114
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:44,125
They drop off ten kilos
of cocaine to a customer
1115
00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,250
and they have a pile of cash
in the car.
1116
00:45:47,291 --> 00:45:49,667
And they passed a police car
1117
00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,875
that was just, um,
routine traffic duty.
1118
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,792
And I believe he actually waved
at the police officer
1119
00:45:55,834 --> 00:45:56,792
because he knew him.
1120
00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:00,417
They're driving home.
They get pulled over.
1121
00:46:00,458 --> 00:46:01,542
Allegedly for going through
a stop sign.
1122
00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:03,500
At this point,
1123
00:46:03,542 --> 00:46:05,250
there's a bunch of people
on the porch
1124
00:46:05,291 --> 00:46:07,166
including Rick's sister, Dawn.
1125
00:46:07,208 --> 00:46:09,583
{\an8}And we watched it all unfold.
1126
00:46:09,625 --> 00:46:11,834
He said, "Okay, guys,
what's going on?"
1127
00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,375
And they said,
"You're under arrest."
1128
00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:15,291
And he said, "For what?"
1129
00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:17,041
And they said,
"Possession of drugs."
1130
00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,333
And he told them,
"I don't have any drugs."
1131
00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,417
And they said they were
in the car.
1132
00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:22,208
He said, "Search it."
1133
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:26,166
{\an8}One of the police officers
reaches into the back of the car
1134
00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,166
{\an8}and pulls out a bag
with the cash.
1135
00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,083
{\an8}So my dad ran out there
and grabbed the bag of money.
1136
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:34,750
Officers say a tussle started.
1137
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,875
A fight almost between Wershe,
Grissom, and the officers.
1138
00:46:38,917 --> 00:46:41,291
Investigators say
that Wershe took off running.
1139
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,333
About 25 minutes,
a half-hour later,
1140
00:46:44,375 --> 00:46:46,083
the police find him
1141
00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:47,750
and they roughed him up
pretty good.
1142
00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:49,583
To the point where he had
to go to the hospital.
1143
00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,375
So, the next three
or four hours,
1144
00:46:51,417 --> 00:46:52,583
the police are combing
the neighborhood
1145
00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:53,875
looking for drugs.
1146
00:46:53,917 --> 00:46:55,667
They got an anonymous tip.
1147
00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:57,250
Later, more police arrived
1148
00:46:57,291 --> 00:46:59,041
and eventually they found
1149
00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,917
a box containing
eight kilos of cocaine
1150
00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:02,208
under this back porch,
a block away
1151
00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:03,250
from the traffic stop.
1152
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542
I was responsible for those drugs. I had
to pay the people in Miami for those drugs.
1153
00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:11,250
Rick believes
that it was a setup.
1154
00:47:11,291 --> 00:47:12,250
That they were watching him
1155
00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:15,834
and they knew
he would have drugs or money.
1156
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,458
And they say that when he
ran out of the car,
1157
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,291
{\an8}he hid the cocaine
underneath a porch
1158
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,208
{\an8}and continued to run away.
1159
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,166
And he's charged
with that crime.
1160
00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:26,166
The attorney that was
representing him at the time
1161
00:47:26,208 --> 00:47:29,291
was an attorney
by the name of William Bufalino.
1162
00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,417
And he brought motions
to suppress the evidence.
1163
00:47:33,875 --> 00:47:35,542
Shortly thereafter,
1164
00:47:35,583 --> 00:47:38,125
Coleman Young's niece told Rick,
1165
00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:40,166
"Everything will be okay
1166
00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,917
but you need to get
different attorneys."
1167
00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:43,291
They decided that they needed
1168
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:45,291
an African-American attorney.
1169
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:46,834
And that it would look better
to the jury.
1170
00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,417
{\an8}"Hire Ed Bell and Sam Gardner
1171
00:47:50,458 --> 00:47:52,667
{\an8}and everything will be okay."
1172
00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,458
{\an8}When they went forward,
they changed their strategy.
1173
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,625
They, they decided
not to heavily pursue the idea
1174
00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,208
that these drugs
where not Rick's.
1175
00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:01,250
Fatal mistake.
1176
00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709
Sam Gardner was Coleman
Young's lawyer at the time, and-
1177
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,750
the only reason they were
brought in-
1178
00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:09,875
was to watch me.
1179
00:48:09,917 --> 00:48:11,583
It wasn't to help me.
1180
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,333
Basically, every time I went
to see him, he just told me,
1181
00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,333
"I had nothing to worry about.
Things were looking good."
1182
00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,333
I was told at one time
that I wouldn't go to trial.
1183
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,583
He didn't think
that we would go to trial.
1184
00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:24,291
Before they went to trial,
1185
00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:26,250
his trial attorneys agreed
1186
00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:29,458
to withdraw all
the pretrial motions.
1187
00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,166
They agreed not to admit
any evidence
1188
00:48:33,208 --> 00:48:34,625
in front of the jury
1189
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,709
that he had been working
for the government
1190
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:37,917
since he was 14.
1191
00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:40,333
So, the jury never heard that.
1192
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917
Basically I think the fix was in-
1193
00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:46,792
and Coleman didn't want me on
the streets anymore.
1194
00:48:46,834 --> 00:48:48,917
So them being my attorneys-
1195
00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:50,917
I think they tanked the case.
1196
00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:52,667
I think it was like a whirlwind
1197
00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,959
that just kind of swept them up.
1198
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291
'Cause the phone conversation
I remember having with him,
1199
00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,000
he was kind of baffled
by his notoriety.
1200
00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,291
And then that time
when I saw him,
1201
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,625
you know,
he's waiting on his jury
1202
00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,417
and all these assholes
are around him.
1203
00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,166
All of them wanted him
to be convicted
1204
00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,542
I'm sure, that's why
they showed up.
1205
00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:09,875
{\an8}Rick took the nickname
and ran with it.
1206
00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,500
{\an8}I mean, he didn't have
to wear the fur coats.
1207
00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,125
He didn't have
to show up to trial
1208
00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:16,000
with a whole crew of little kids
1209
00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:18,291
wearing beepers and gold chains.
1210
00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:21,208
He came to court
like a drug dealer.
1211
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:23,458
I said, "Rick, if those jurors
see all these little crooks
1212
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,875
running around with you,
you're dead."
1213
00:49:24,917 --> 00:49:26,875
{\an8}We was told
to show up down there
1214
00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:29,375
{\an8}with our expensive cars,
jewelry,
1215
00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,583
and just get in front
of the news.
1216
00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:34,458
These all his workers.
Kingpin is on trial.
1217
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,583
Drug lord is on trial.
1218
00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,291
And his friends down here
trying to free him.
1219
00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,750
Of course, it hurt him. There's
no doubt about it, it hurt him.
1220
00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:44,500
Same police officers
paid us to do that.
1221
00:49:45,458 --> 00:49:46,750
Ain't nobody ever
1222
00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:48,750
heard of him being no drug lord
1223
00:49:48,792 --> 00:49:50,792
until they print that shit
in the paper.
1224
00:49:50,834 --> 00:49:53,583
Where the hell
was he a kingpin of?
1225
00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:55,041
Us blacks?
1226
00:49:55,083 --> 00:49:56,542
Oh, hell no.
1227
00:49:56,583 --> 00:49:58,625
We made it seem like that,
but he wasn't.
1228
00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,125
{\an8}They had this newspaper article
where they actually listed him
1229
00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:04,083
as the leader
of the Best Friends gang.
1230
00:50:04,125 --> 00:50:06,000
Which is crazy, you know.
1231
00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:07,083
Best Friends were like
this hit gang
1232
00:50:07,125 --> 00:50:08,458
that had over a hundred murders.
1233
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,458
It's just incredible and crazy.
1234
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,583
We had to rely
on law enforcement.
1235
00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542
We saw the documents.
We saw them firsthand.
1236
00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:18,375
{\an8}They were shared with us
and we did our best to vet them.
1237
00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:20,625
But we were certainly
not making stuff up
1238
00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:22,250
or fabricating.
1239
00:50:22,291 --> 00:50:24,417
There was enough going on
to keep us all busy
1240
00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:25,875
with crazy-enough stories.
1241
00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,500
You had characters
like Maserati Rick
1242
00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:31,083
who survived
an assassination attempt
1243
00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:33,667
and then was murdered
in his hospital bed.
1244
00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,625
And in the nightstand
was a pistol
1245
00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:37,709
and a crucifix
and, uh, rosary beads.
1246
00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,792
He was buried in
a Mercedes-Benz coffin.
1247
00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:42,500
So you didn't have
to make stuff up.
1248
00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:45,417
But that's how the cops
had it set up.
1249
00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:49,291
And that's how they listed him
and that's how we reported it.
1250
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,583
And that's how we sourced it
in the story
1251
00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:53,583
and the graphic illustrations,
1252
00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:55,667
that this was based
on law enforcement documents
1253
00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:56,750
and sources.
1254
00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,709
It was a political move.
1255
00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:01,125
That's why they
could put him away forever.
1256
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250
Nate was showing up down there-which we saw
Nate there-to try and do some harm to me.
1257
00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:10,333
I was trying to shoot him
out at the courthouse.
1258
00:51:10,375 --> 00:51:12,500
We had the van
already parked up on Gratiot.
1259
00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,959
I already had the scope
and everything scoped in,
1260
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,458
but, at that point,
they walked him underneath
1261
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,333
into the courthouse.
1262
00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:22,875
"What do you mean
he in the courtroom?"
1263
00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:24,709
They said, "Yeah,
he in the courtroom."
1264
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083
Of course we
were a little more careful and-
1265
00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792
when we left the courthouse, or
where we parked the car, or whatever.
1266
00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:33,583
He wasn't
there to wish me well at trial.
1267
00:51:33,625 --> 00:51:35,542
And he was convicted
1268
00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,542
and, after that, it was easy.
1269
00:51:38,291 --> 00:51:40,250
You're going to jail.
1270
00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:41,458
You're never gonna see
the light of day.
1271
00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,166
This operation
was called Operation Backbone.
1272
00:51:50,208 --> 00:51:51,583
The reason I named it Backbone,
1273
00:51:52,083 --> 00:51:53,208
{\an8}I figured you need some backbone
1274
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:55,250
{\an8}to work this case, you know.
1275
00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:56,458
At that time,
it was the most significant
1276
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,208
police corruption investigation
1277
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:59,667
in the state of Michigan.
1278
00:51:59,709 --> 00:52:01,041
The objective was
1279
00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,000
I knew through
the Curry investigation
1280
00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,750
{\an8}and the Damion Lucas homicide
1281
00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,625
{\an8}that that investigation
was partly compromised.
1282
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,250
And I knew that there were
corrupt police officers
1283
00:52:10,291 --> 00:52:11,333
involved in this thing.
1284
00:52:11,375 --> 00:52:12,709
So, that was the objective,
1285
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:13,875
to get these corrupt cops.
1286
00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:16,875
And he called out of the blue
1287
00:52:16,917 --> 00:52:18,750
and I said,
"What's going on, Rick?"
1288
00:52:18,792 --> 00:52:23,792
He said, "Well, the FBI is here
and they want me to help them.
1289
00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,583
They have said
that they will help me
1290
00:52:25,625 --> 00:52:27,250
if I help them."
1291
00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:29,583
"But if you cooperate
on this undercover project
1292
00:52:29,625 --> 00:52:31,083
and everything works fine,
1293
00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:32,625
{\an8}the best I can do is,
1294
00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:34,834
{\an8}maybe, take you out
of the state custody
1295
00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:37,291
and put you in the Federal
Witness Protection Program
1296
00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:39,959
in a federal facility
with other informants.
1297
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,834
And it might just be
a better situation.
1298
00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,166
And if you ever
become eligible for parole,
1299
00:52:45,208 --> 00:52:46,834
I'll come back
and testify for you.
1300
00:52:46,875 --> 00:52:48,291
I'll tell them what you did."
1301
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:49,917
He said, "You know what?"
1302
00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,834
We shook hands and that
was the agreement we made.
1303
00:52:52,875 --> 00:52:55,917
And the Feds, during that time,
were chasing Coleman Young hard.
1304
00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:58,166
They wanted to bring down
the mayor of Detroit.
1305
00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166
The FBI wanted to
use my relationship with Cathy-
1306
00:53:02,208 --> 00:53:03,750
to target the mayor-
1307
00:53:03,792 --> 00:53:07,000
as well as police corruption
within the city of Detroit.
1308
00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,834
They were targetting Willie
Volson.
1309
00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,375
He was married to the mayor's
sister.
1310
00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,542
He was Cathy's father of course
and-
1311
00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,667
everyone knew that Willie had
pull-
1312
00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:17,959
throughout the city of Detroit.
1313
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,083
The other target of operation
was Jimmy Harris.
1314
00:53:21,125 --> 00:53:24,458
He was a high ranking Detroit
police official.
1315
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,041
He did whatever mayor Young told
him to do.
1316
00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:30,875
He covered up the thinks that
the mayor's family did.
1317
00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:32,792
To my knowledge, for the right
price-
1318
00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125
they were willing to protect
drug shipments-
1319
00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:37,000
from anywhere, I mean-
1320
00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208
if it was in the city of Detroit
and they could make a buck off of it-
1321
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,875
they were willing to provide
that police protection.
1322
00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:45,750
So, I got
Rick Wershe's sister, Dawn,
1323
00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:47,375
to cooperate with me as well.
1324
00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:49,375
And she had a relationship
with Cathy.
1325
00:53:49,417 --> 00:53:52,500
{\an8}I had an agent
by the name of Mike Castro
1326
00:53:52,542 --> 00:53:54,542
{\an8}who had served extensively
in the Caribbean
1327
00:53:54,583 --> 00:53:56,500
{\an8}and knew the Caribbean
pretty well.
1328
00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000
I introduced Mike Castro-who
was the undercover FBI agent-
1329
00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:04,792
to Cathy. He posed as my
supplier from Miami.
1330
00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,583
And me knowing Cathy and her
family-how greedy they were-
1331
00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:11,125
I knew Cathy would cut into him-
1332
00:54:11,166 --> 00:54:12,500
and that's exactly what
happened.
1333
00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:15,417
We arranged a dinner
with Wershe's sister,
1334
00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:18,041
Cathy Volsan-Curry,
and Mike Castro.
1335
00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,750
Which I attended,
but I was off to the side
1336
00:54:20,792 --> 00:54:22,125
and it was recorded.
1337
00:54:22,166 --> 00:54:24,291
{\an8}So, during that conversation,
1338
00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:27,458
{\an8}uh, Cathy was just enamored
1339
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,500
{\an8}with the prospect
of getting back
1340
00:54:29,542 --> 00:54:31,709
into the cocaine business
and so forth.
1341
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:33,458
Uh, her eyes lit up.
1342
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,625
And at that point, she offered
her police assistance.
1343
00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:39,959
So basically we're businessmen-
1344
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,917
we're in the drug business.
1345
00:54:40,959 --> 00:54:42,500
We invited Willie Volsan
1346
00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,625
and James Harris
down to Florida.
1347
00:54:44,667 --> 00:54:46,625
Had an undercover yacht.
1348
00:54:46,667 --> 00:54:47,750
Sat down there,
and on videotape,
1349
00:54:47,792 --> 00:54:49,458
and negotiated the deal.
1350
00:54:51,041 --> 00:54:51,875
We'd like to-
1351
00:54:51,917 --> 00:54:53,792
fly something in.
1352
00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875
We're going to look like businessmen
delivering packages. Okay.
1353
00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,667
- Only us and you will know it's
drugs.
1354
00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:59,917
No one else is going to know
anything.
1355
00:54:59,959 --> 00:55:01,083
Okay.
1356
00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,291
We're going to probably-
1357
00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,250
ship up in the plane around 100
keys.
1358
00:55:05,291 --> 00:55:06,750
- You provide protection-
1359
00:55:06,792 --> 00:55:08,667
and protection from the police.
1360
00:55:08,709 --> 00:55:10,125
Think you can handle that?
1361
00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500
What you're talking about is no problem.
1362
00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,417
Right.
1363
00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959
I've got three Detroit
police officers myself-it's cool.
1364
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166
Okay. Alright.
1365
00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,208
These people have been with me.
1366
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,583
You can trust them.
1367
00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:20,834
We'll have out equipment, our
van or whatever-
1368
00:55:20,875 --> 00:55:22,834
load it up.
1369
00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291
Just like the money laundering operation-you
escort us away from the airport-
1370
00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:26,417
out on the highway and-
1371
00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:27,792
sayonara!
1372
00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:30,291
- For a successful mission and
a-
1373
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:32,083
a good escape and all of that-
1374
00:55:32,125 --> 00:55:33,709
40-50 grand?
1375
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:35,250
So do we got a deal?
1376
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250
Yep.
We go. We go.
1377
00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125
Partners in crime brother!
- Here we go.
1378
00:55:39,166 --> 00:55:40,166
Willie and Cathy
1379
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,417
along with Detroit Police
Sergeant Jimmy Harris
1380
00:55:44,458 --> 00:55:46,458
were charged last month
in an FBI corruption case
1381
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,125
alleging that police officers
took payoffs
1382
00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,083
to protect drug
and drug money shipments
1383
00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,583
coming into the city
in Metro Airport.
1384
00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959
Any other mayor would have been glad to have
corruption out of their police department.
1385
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Unless your brother-in-law is
the head of the corruption.
1386
00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,875
And then this guy goes on to
call me a stool pigeon.
1387
00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083
That's like an old gangster term
for a rat.
1388
00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:06,583
Did that put your life
in danger,
1389
00:56:06,625 --> 00:56:08,625
having Coleman Young
call you a stool pigeon?
1390
00:56:08,667 --> 00:56:10,792
Oh, there's no doubt about it.
1391
00:56:10,834 --> 00:56:12,458
Eighteen
1392
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,000
corrupt police officers
and politicians,
1393
00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,000
as a result
of Wershe's direct involvement
1394
00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:17,917
in this thing, went to prison.
1395
00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:19,792
And without White Boy Rick
1396
00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,458
or Richard Wershe, Jr.
1397
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,542
it's I think he'd prefer
to be called at this point,
1398
00:56:23,583 --> 00:56:25,125
that never would have happened.
1399
00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,875
And they haven't even
scratched the surface.
1400
00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:29,667
The corruption runs so deep
in there it's...
1401
00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:31,792
It's insane, man.
1402
00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:33,959
During the FBI investigation,
1403
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,375
Hill met with Harris,
a longtime friend, Volsan,
1404
00:56:36,417 --> 00:56:39,083
and the undercover agent
posing as the drug dealer.
1405
00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,000
Willie would, uh,
constantly brag
1406
00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,583
about his relationship
with Gil Hill.
1407
00:56:44,166 --> 00:56:45,917
And so, toward
the end of the operation,
1408
00:56:45,959 --> 00:56:48,000
we wanted to see
1409
00:56:48,041 --> 00:56:50,041
if he'd actually set up
an introduction to Gil Hill,
1410
00:56:50,083 --> 00:56:51,125
and he did.
1411
00:56:51,166 --> 00:56:53,166
{\an8}We got a wiretap authority
1412
00:56:53,208 --> 00:56:56,709
{\an8}to install wiretaps
inside of Willie Volsan's car.
1413
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,834
And we arranged it
for both undercover agents
1414
00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:02,834
to meet with Gil Hill
and Willie Volsan,
1415
00:57:02,875 --> 00:57:03,917
and that happened.
1416
00:57:04,583 --> 00:57:06,917
During that conversation,
1417
00:57:06,959 --> 00:57:09,333
Mike Castro let it be known
that he was a money launderer
1418
00:57:09,375 --> 00:57:10,834
and they were drug dealers.
1419
00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:12,083
Uh, that plainly.
1420
00:57:12,583 --> 00:57:14,333
It was my thought
1421
00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,291
that, uh, if Gil Hill
wanted to get up
1422
00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,208
and run out of that meeting,
so be it.
1423
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,166
He's an innocent guy.
But if he stayed,
1424
00:57:21,125 --> 00:57:22,417
that meant something else.
1425
00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:24,208
And not only did he stay,
1426
00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:26,542
but he had a conversation
which was taped.
1427
00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,291
And in that conversation,
1428
00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:31,208
Gil Hill said he wanted
to get money
1429
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:32,500
from Mike Castro.
1430
00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,875
I got authorization
to pay him the money,
1431
00:57:35,917 --> 00:57:36,875
$20,000.00.
1432
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,333
The thing languished,
and it languished,
1433
00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:40,333
and it languished
1434
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,417
before the bureaucrats
could make up their mind.
1435
00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,458
When they finally
made up their mind,
1436
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:46,083
uh, the trail had cooled.
1437
00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:48,125
I think Gil, at that point,
1438
00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,291
uh, being a smart guy,
he smelled a rat
1439
00:57:50,333 --> 00:57:51,875
and, and didn't take the bait,
1440
00:57:51,917 --> 00:57:53,250
so we lost an opportunity.
1441
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,917
But Hill refused
to get involved.
1442
00:57:56,959 --> 00:57:59,000
He says the entire probe
smacks of entrapment.
1443
00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,917
It seems like this upset you.
1444
00:58:00,959 --> 00:58:01,792
Tremendously.
1445
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,250
Now, is he
this major criminal mastermind?
1446
00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:06,875
I don't think so.
1447
00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:08,917
Was he a guy who played fast
and loose, and...
1448
00:58:09,959 --> 00:58:10,959
Perhaps.
1449
00:58:11,709 --> 00:58:13,583
And maybe have crossed
the line a couple of times.
1450
00:58:13,625 --> 00:58:15,125
But try as they might,
1451
00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,250
and I know the Feds
who were chasing him,
1452
00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:18,750
trying their damndest.
1453
00:58:18,792 --> 00:58:21,250
These were solid
hardworking guys after him.
1454
00:58:21,291 --> 00:58:23,166
They were not dogging it.
1455
00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,375
If they could have caught him,
they would have. They didn't.
1456
00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,542
Reporters were chasing Gil Hill
1457
00:58:27,583 --> 00:58:29,208
down the street,
1458
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,125
asking him if he was involved
in taking bribes.
1459
00:58:32,166 --> 00:58:34,250
And that's very damaging
1460
00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,166
if you wanna be the next mayor
of the city of Detroit.
1461
00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,041
{\an8}Gil Hill ran for mayor and lost,
1462
00:58:39,083 --> 00:58:41,291
{\an8}but Gil Hill blames Rick
1463
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,000
{\an8}for him not becoming the mayor.
1464
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583
I think helping the
FBI with Operation Backbone-
1465
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,583
was the biggest mistake of my
life.
1466
00:58:48,625 --> 00:58:50,750
Because it created enemies that-
1467
00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,875
I couldn't even imagine-I was a
kid.
1468
00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,333
I didn't think of the political
aspects of it.
1469
00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,083
There's still
a lot of angry people
1470
00:58:57,125 --> 00:58:58,875
in the city of Detroit
1471
00:58:58,917 --> 00:59:00,125
in positions of power.
1472
00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,083
{\an8}In Michigan, you're supposed
to have an opportunity
1473
00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,083
{\an8}to have a parole hearing
every five years.
1474
00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,959
Rick Wershe has only had
one parole hearing
1475
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000
in 28 years in prison.
1476
00:59:16,041 --> 00:59:18,959
That parole hearing was in 2003,
1477
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,709
and it was a spectacle.
1478
00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:31,291
When you're up for parole,
1479
00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:34,417
what the parole board does
is they send letters out
1480
00:59:34,458 --> 00:59:36,625
to the original trial judge.
1481
00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750
{\an8}In Rick's case, it was a judge
1482
00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:42,083
{\an8}by the name of Thomas Jackson
who's recently retired.
1483
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:45,041
And Judge Jackson wrote back
and he said,
1484
00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,500
"I have no problem with this
young man getting out.
1485
00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,083
He's served a long time
in jail."
1486
00:59:50,458 --> 00:59:53,000
They then send the letter
at the same time
1487
00:59:53,041 --> 00:59:55,625
to the prosecuting
attorney's office.
1488
00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:58,250
The chief prosecutor
was a fellow
1489
00:59:58,291 --> 00:59:59,875
by the name of Michael Duggan.
1490
00:59:59,917 --> 01:00:01,542
And Michael Duggan
1491
01:00:01,583 --> 01:00:03,250
is now the mayor
of the city of Detroit.
1492
01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,041
{\an8}The first response
from that office was,
1493
01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,041
"We have no problem
with him getting out."
1494
01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:11,458
Two weeks later,
1495
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,542
another letter comes
from that office saying,
1496
01:00:13,583 --> 01:00:16,125
"Disregard the first letter.
We don't want him out."
1497
01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:19,291
In the letter, which was
a multipage letter,
1498
01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:23,083
they were saying
that Richard Wershe, Jr.
1499
01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:27,166
was responsible for the downfall
of the city of Detroit.
1500
01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:29,583
Rick Wershe was involved
in cases as a juvenile
1501
01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:31,500
where the witnesses
just disappeared.
1502
01:00:31,542 --> 01:00:33,375
That this kid is so dangerous
1503
01:00:33,417 --> 01:00:35,625
that he should never be
let out of prison.
1504
01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,333
And it was signed
by Michael Duggan.
1505
01:00:37,917 --> 01:00:40,000
{\an8} If you ask him today,
1506
01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,875
{\an8}he'll tell you he doesn't
remember that letter
1507
01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:42,959
{\an8}and he didn't remember
signing it.
1508
01:00:43,667 --> 01:00:45,166
If you look at the letter,
1509
01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,333
{\an8}the name right
underneath Michael Duggan
1510
01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,041
{\an8}is that of his chief assistant,
1511
01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:51,959
{\an8}Samuel Gardner.
1512
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,208
Rick's two defense attorneys
at the time he was convicted
1513
01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:00,208
{\an8}was Samuel Gardner and Ed Bell,
1514
01:01:00,250 --> 01:01:01,834
{\an8}who were law partners.
1515
01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917
He wanted to keep
me in prison as long as he could.
1516
01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:08,166
I mean here's a guy that was my
lawyer-
1517
01:01:08,208 --> 01:01:10,375
and was the number two
prosecutor-
1518
01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,500
told me I had nothing to worry
about.
1519
01:01:12,542 --> 01:01:14,542
And then this letter that was-
1520
01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,458
so outlandish and crazy gets
sent to the parole board.
1521
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875
I think it proves that they
threw the case from the beginning-
1522
01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:24,208
and that their ultimate goal was
to keep me in prison.
1523
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,083
So I went over to the hearing,
1524
01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:28,125
and, in, in the first day
of the hearing,
1525
01:01:28,166 --> 01:01:30,166
I heard federal agents say
1526
01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:33,250
that Rick Wershe
was very helpful.
1527
01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,083
Instrumental in bringing
down dirty cops
1528
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,792
and other drug dealers
in Detroit,
1529
01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,208
and that they believed
he should be let out of prison,
1530
01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:41,041
that he should be paroled.
1531
01:01:41,083 --> 01:01:42,417
You come back the next day,
1532
01:01:42,458 --> 01:01:44,041
and it's a completely
different story.
1533
01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:46,500
The Wayne County
Prosecuting Attorney
1534
01:01:46,542 --> 01:01:50,208
brings in three or four
homicide detectives.
1535
01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,917
{\an8}I was approached by Deputy Chief
1536
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,291
{\an8}Dennis Richardson,
1537
01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,458
and was told that I was gonna go
1538
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,291
to the parole hearing.
1539
01:01:57,834 --> 01:01:59,625
The goal of the hearing
was to make sure
1540
01:01:59,667 --> 01:02:01,458
that he was not released.
1541
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,083
That Richard Wershe
was considered to be dangerous.
1542
01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:09,166
{\an8}They characterized him
as, uh, Al Capone.
1543
01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,709
{\an8}And they start detailing
the collapse of the city.
1544
01:02:13,125 --> 01:02:15,709
{\an8}And then I talked about,
in generalities,
1545
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:19,166
{\an8}the damage that drugs had did
to the city of Detroit.
1546
01:02:19,208 --> 01:02:21,583
- The story of all
of the homicides,
1547
01:02:21,625 --> 01:02:24,208
and all of the drugs,
and all of the murders.
1548
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,542
- That was the extent
of my contact
1549
01:02:27,583 --> 01:02:29,041
with the parole board.
1550
01:02:29,083 --> 01:02:30,542
But the other members
1551
01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:32,750
of the police department
and, and law enforcement
1552
01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:36,125
that was there
went into generalities also.
1553
01:02:36,792 --> 01:02:38,417
And if you read it,
1554
01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:41,000
the transcript, carefully,
1555
01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:44,125
they just keep throwing
Rick Wershe, Jr.'s name in.
1556
01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,333
They never say
that he does this stuff.
1557
01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:48,500
It's fair that you could
have implied
1558
01:02:48,542 --> 01:02:51,083
that they knew
about Richard Wershe.
1559
01:02:51,125 --> 01:02:53,166
Because they slanted it
1560
01:02:53,208 --> 01:02:55,375
to whereas he was
to be considered dangerous
1561
01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:57,375
when they didn't know anything
at all about him.
1562
01:02:57,417 --> 01:02:59,041
They never even worked drugs.
1563
01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:01,333
{\an8}And some of them
ended up in prison themselves.
1564
01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:04,000
{\an8}In order to prepare
for the parole hearing,
1565
01:03:04,458 --> 01:03:07,458
{\an8}I was given information
to review and look at
1566
01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:11,125
so that I can familiarize myself
with Richard Wershe.
1567
01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:13,834
They went tothe Detroit Free Press
1568
01:03:13,875 --> 01:03:15,166
and said,
1569
01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,875
{\an8}"We need to have
all of the news articles
1570
01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:19,959
with regards to Rick Wershe
1571
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,875
because we wanna review
a bunch of this information.
1572
01:03:23,417 --> 01:03:24,417
Well, now we know
1573
01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,083
that half of the stuff that's
in print wasn't true at all.
1574
01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:29,291
It was made up
by the news media.
1575
01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,250
Listening
to these police officers
1576
01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:37,542
say that Rick Wershe
was violent and dangerous
1577
01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:39,458
and should not be
let out of prison
1578
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,458
was hard-hitting.
1579
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,834
And it was powerful.
It was a powerful testimony.
1580
01:03:44,208 --> 01:03:45,834
You had some people
that testified
1581
01:03:45,875 --> 01:03:47,709
in favor of Rick Wershe
1582
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,917
{\an8}including Kid Rock,
the musician.
1583
01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,250
{\an8}Kid Rock did not show up
with a big entourage.
1584
01:03:52,291 --> 01:03:53,417
He came by himself.
1585
01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:54,959
He drove himself
to that hearing,
1586
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,542
and he told the parole board
very plainly
1587
01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,333
that, "This could have been me
1588
01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:01,333
if the circumstances
were different,"
1589
01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,000
and that Rick Wershe
deserves to get out.
1590
01:04:03,041 --> 01:04:05,208
And he quietly went away.
1591
01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,125
But ultimately,
1592
01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:08,834
the story didn't play out
that way.
1593
01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,291
The police jumped on the fact
that Kid Rock was there
1594
01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,333
and they basically put out
the story line that,
1595
01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,500
"What? Is White Boy Rick
gonna get out of prison
1596
01:04:17,542 --> 01:04:19,583
and go be a roadie for Kid Rock?
1597
01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:21,333
There's a real recipe
for success.
1598
01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:23,083
Let's take this drug dealer
1599
01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:24,583
and put him
with a big-time rapper,
1600
01:04:24,625 --> 01:04:26,625
and let's see how well he does.
1601
01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:28,667
Let's see
if he's really reformed.
1602
01:04:28,709 --> 01:04:30,208
This is not gonna work."
1603
01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,333
And that played well.
1604
01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:32,917
It played well with the public
1605
01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:34,792
{\an8}and I think it played
with the parole board.
1606
01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:37,041
{\an8} And, uh, the result
1607
01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:39,375
{\an8}was they turned down his parole.
1608
01:04:39,417 --> 01:04:41,083
It was a sham.
1609
01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:44,792
{\an8}There was absolutely no reason
for any of us to be there
1610
01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:47,000
to try to prevent him
from being released.
1611
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,583
{\an8}I voted to have
Rick Wershe released.
1612
01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:52,041
{\an8}It made sense.
1613
01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:53,792
{\an8}There was no reason
in this world
1614
01:04:53,834 --> 01:04:55,458
{\an8}that he should still be there.
1615
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,542
This whole thing
stinks to high heaven.
1616
01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375
I think it goes back to Gil Hill.
1617
01:05:00,417 --> 01:05:02,208
All roads lead back to him.
1618
01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:04,834
I mean-
1619
01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083
there's someone or some thing that's keeping me
in prison and it's not the crime that I committed.
1620
01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,333
So, uh, a couple of years
after the parole hearing, uh,
1621
01:05:15,375 --> 01:05:17,458
probably around 2005,
1622
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,625
{\an8}Wershe, Jr., uh,
was of course in, uh,
1623
01:05:20,667 --> 01:05:22,667
{\an8}federal, uh, protective custody,
1624
01:05:22,709 --> 01:05:24,041
uh, witness protection program
1625
01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:25,625
doing his life sentence.
1626
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,166
I became aware
that he was involved,
1627
01:05:28,208 --> 01:05:30,291
in a very minor way,
1628
01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:32,208
in an auto theft ring.
1629
01:05:32,583 --> 01:05:37,333
{\an8}He became aware of the ability
1630
01:05:37,375 --> 01:05:40,458
to obtain a car for his mother.
1631
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,333
Consisted of him making
some phone calls
1632
01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:45,583
on behalf of the people
that were actually involved
1633
01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:47,333
in the auto theft ring.
1634
01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,000
When the Wayne County
Prosecutor's Office found out,
1635
01:05:50,542 --> 01:05:52,375
they made phone calls
1636
01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:56,041
to the United States
Attorney's Office
1637
01:05:56,083 --> 01:05:57,750
down in Miami saying,
1638
01:05:57,792 --> 01:06:00,375
"You make sure he's indicted
1639
01:06:00,417 --> 01:06:04,458
and the full extent of the law
comes down on him."
1640
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458
I was told, "You take a plea bargain, or I
am going to arrest your mom and your sister."
1641
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,625
So what do I do?
1642
01:06:10,667 --> 01:06:11,959
I took a plea bargain.
1643
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,750
{\an8}So he pled guilty
1644
01:06:13,792 --> 01:06:15,625
{\an8}and got a five-year sentence.
1645
01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:19,834
Ninety-nine-point-nine
percent of all other cases,
1646
01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:22,542
the five years
will run concurrently
1647
01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:26,041
with the life sentence
that he's under in Michigan.
1648
01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:28,458
But because Rick's Rick,
1649
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,917
the sentence was ruled
to run consecutively.
1650
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:38,041
{\an8}If and when he's released here,
which I pray is soon,
1651
01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:39,875
{\an8}he has to go to Florida
and finish out time.
1652
01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:43,542
And if you look
at the guy's prison record,
1653
01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:45,291
with the exception
of that one incident,
1654
01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:49,125
{\an8}he is someone
that is a model prisoner.
1655
01:06:49,667 --> 01:06:52,375
{\an8}"He has remained misconduct-free
during his entire sentence
1656
01:06:52,417 --> 01:06:56,709
{\an8}with the MDOC which started
in February 5th, 1988.
1657
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,667
Mr. Wershe has maintained
steady employment
1658
01:06:58,709 --> 01:07:00,875
and has never been
a management problem for staff.
1659
01:07:01,542 --> 01:07:03,834
He has good communication skills
1660
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,750
and interacts well with staff
and other inmates alike."
1661
01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:07,625
In my opinion,
1662
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,458
that would show that Mr. Wershe
was a model prisoner.
1663
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,417
And there's no reason
1664
01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:14,917
that he should have been
denied parole for so long.
1665
01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:25,000
"Now, based on my reading
of the briefs,
1666
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:26,709
all parties agreed
1667
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,166
that defendant's
original sentence
1668
01:07:28,208 --> 01:07:30,333
of life without the possibility
of parole
1669
01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,709
{\an8}for a juvenile who committed
a non-violent offense
1670
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,125
{\an8}involving drugs
was unconstitutional.
1671
01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,000
The case law
over the last decade
1672
01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:39,542
{\an8}has demanded
that we treat juveniles
1673
01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,834
{\an8}constitutionally different
than adults.
1674
01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:44,917
{\an8}That difference requires us
to consider the defendant's age
1675
01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,417
{\an8}at the time the crime
was committed.
1676
01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,166
Where a defendant's sentence
1677
01:07:48,208 --> 01:07:49,792
violates the constitution,
1678
01:07:49,834 --> 01:07:51,458
{\an8}recent case law holds
1679
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,041
{\an8}that remedy for that violation
is resentencing."
1680
01:07:54,542 --> 01:07:56,417
Suddenly in 2015,
1681
01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:58,166
{\an8}Judge Dana Hathaway decided
1682
01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:01,041
{\an8}that she wanted
to resentence Rick Wershe
1683
01:08:01,083 --> 01:08:02,959
and it was a major decision.
1684
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,500
Uh, he's stunned.
1685
01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917
{\an8}I mean, you can see
in the courtroom, uh,
1686
01:08:06,959 --> 01:08:09,041
{\an8}he, he doesn't know where to go.
1687
01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:11,500
{\an8}I mean, he is just
almost in shock.
1688
01:08:11,542 --> 01:08:12,917
{\an8}We need him out.
1689
01:08:12,959 --> 01:08:14,959
{\an8}He's been in long enough.
1690
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,500
{\an8}I'm a bit overwhelmed
1691
01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,625
{\an8}because I've only seen
my father in person
1692
01:08:18,667 --> 01:08:20,333
{\an8}maybe two or three times
in my life,
1693
01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,458
so it was a difficult
relationship to know someone
1694
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,125
your whole life and not really.
1695
01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:26,750
They wouldn't even allow him out
1696
01:08:26,792 --> 01:08:28,458
for my dad's funeral.
1697
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,500
{\an8}When my dad was dying
of cancer, we, um...
1698
01:08:31,542 --> 01:08:32,959
{\an8}We asked and they said, "No.
1699
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,750
It's too high
of a security risk."
1700
01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750
I wold like to spread
my dad's ashes somewhere and-
1701
01:08:38,792 --> 01:08:41,208
visit my grandparents' grave.
1702
01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,250
{\an8}I just wanna see him,
like I said,
1703
01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:46,208
{\an8}and spend time with him
before I die.
1704
01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917
{\an8}My mother's not in good health, I mean-
1705
01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,667
after twenty-nine years you
don't hit the ground running-
1706
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:54,041
but I think I have a good
support team.
1707
01:08:54,083 --> 01:08:55,709
He's supposed to get out.
1708
01:08:55,750 --> 01:08:58,083
And if he doesn't get out,
I want you, news guys,
1709
01:08:58,125 --> 01:08:59,959
to be investigating
1710
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,041
as to who in the hell
wants him in
1711
01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:04,375
and who has that kind of power
to keep him in.
1712
01:09:04,417 --> 01:09:06,166
{\an8}Wershe will be back here
in two weeks
1713
01:09:06,208 --> 01:09:07,583
{\an8}to hear the judge's sentence.
1714
01:09:07,625 --> 01:09:09,500
{\an8}If it is the time served,
1715
01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:12,041
it's possible he could walk out
of here a free man.
1716
01:09:12,083 --> 01:09:15,333
It would definitely mean
that his time as a prisoner
1717
01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:16,583
is near its end.
1718
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,208
Kym Worthy objected to that.
1719
01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,875
She's the prosecutor
in Wayne County.
1720
01:09:21,917 --> 01:09:23,917
In 2015, she said,
1721
01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,250
"We believe the law says
1722
01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,208
{\an8}that Rick Wershe
must stay in prison
1723
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,041
{\an8}until the parole board
releases him."
1724
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,625
So as it stands right now,
1725
01:09:37,667 --> 01:09:39,875
{\an8}Rick Wershe
will not be resentenced.
1726
01:09:41,041 --> 01:09:45,834
{\an8}When Prosecutor Worthy
objected to my resentencing,
1727
01:09:45,875 --> 01:09:47,000
I was disappointed.
1728
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:51,083
I didn't think that there was
a legitimate basis for it.
1729
01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:52,875
And then
when the Court of Appeals
1730
01:09:52,917 --> 01:09:54,583
sided with the prosecutor,
1731
01:09:54,625 --> 01:09:56,500
I was disappointed again.
1732
01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,333
I thought that, uh, my opinion
had strong legal footing
1733
01:10:00,375 --> 01:10:03,750
given the fact
that his sentence was ultimately
1734
01:10:03,792 --> 01:10:05,875
an Eighth Amendment violation
1735
01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,417
and I thought the remedy
should have been resentencing.
1736
01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:10,458
Oh, I'm disappointed. I mean-
1737
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,625
let down a little bit, but-
1738
01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,750
I expected it to be honest with
you.
1739
01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750
After all this time in here you don't
believe you're doing to get out of here-
1740
01:10:17,792 --> 01:10:20,125
until the day you walk out of
here.
1741
01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,667
{\an8}Kym Worthy is one
of the main people
1742
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:26,208
{\an8}standing in his way
of becoming a free man.
1743
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,083
And she's
made no public statement
1744
01:10:27,125 --> 01:10:28,166
over the years.
1745
01:10:28,208 --> 01:10:30,166
She's never given any indication
1746
01:10:30,208 --> 01:10:32,000
why she's so dead set
1747
01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:33,625
on Rick Wershe staying
in prison.
1748
01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:35,959
I've done dozens of stories
1749
01:10:37,917 --> 01:10:39,333
on the injustice of Rick Wershe
still being in prison.
1750
01:10:40,125 --> 01:10:42,125
And I've truly felt
1751
01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:44,750
that the stories I've done
should have been enough
1752
01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,333
for people
to do the right thing,
1753
01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,250
{\an8}but that hasn't happened.
1754
01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:50,875
{\an8}His sentence
shocks the conscience.
1755
01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:53,041
{\an8}How long he was in
shocks the conscience.
1756
01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:54,917
{\an8}I'm not saying he was innocent,
1757
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,250
{\an8}but part our job is letting
the punishment fit the crime.
1758
01:10:58,291 --> 01:11:00,667
And here, it absolutely did not.
1759
01:11:00,709 --> 01:11:02,208
For a juvenile defendant
1760
01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:05,041
to never have his age
taken into consideration
1761
01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:07,333
was highly inappropriate
1762
01:11:07,375 --> 01:11:09,333
and inconsistent
with the case law
1763
01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,083
that's been evolving
for the past decade.
1764
01:11:11,417 --> 01:11:13,750
He's a juvenile
non-violent offender
1765
01:11:14,583 --> 01:11:15,959
who served 29 years.
1766
01:11:16,542 --> 01:11:17,917
He should be out.
1767
01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:19,667
{\an8}He is a political prisoner.
1768
01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:22,417
{\an8}He is being held
against his will
1769
01:11:22,458 --> 01:11:24,875
{\an8}by the politicians of Michigan
1770
01:11:24,917 --> 01:11:26,125
for crimes he never did!
1771
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:27,959
{\an8}There is a relationship
1772
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,917
{\an8}between the current
Wayne County prosecutor
1773
01:11:30,959 --> 01:11:32,250
{\an8}and Gil Hill.
1774
01:11:32,291 --> 01:11:33,625
{\an8} From what I saw,
1775
01:11:33,667 --> 01:11:35,625
{\an8}Kym Worthy and Gil Hill
1776
01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,834
{\an8}had a professional
and political relationship.
1777
01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,125
Uh, she
and Gil Hill worked together
1778
01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,375
especially when he was,
um, city council,
1779
01:11:43,792 --> 01:11:45,291
so they have a long history.
1780
01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,625
So I think
that's where the issue is.
1781
01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:50,417
Well, the city lost
a good one today.
1782
01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:53,166
Gilbert Hill,
or Gil as we knew him,
1783
01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,834
died today peacefully
with family by his side.
1784
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:59,250
homicide detective in Detroit
1785
01:11:59,291 --> 01:12:01,166
{\an8}and, of course, landed the role
1786
01:12:01,208 --> 01:12:02,959
of Eddie Murphy's
foul-mouthed boss
1787
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000
in Beverly Hills Cop.
1788
01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:18,959
{\an8} Two huge stories today.
1789
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,041
First is statement
from Kym Worthy
1790
01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:23,250
that she gave exclusively
to the defenders.
1791
01:12:23,291 --> 01:12:26,542
{\an8}Kym Worthy saying she is
going to reconsider her stance.
1792
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,458
{\an8}She may no longer object
to Wershe being locked up.
1793
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,875
This decision by Kym Worthy
1794
01:12:30,917 --> 01:12:32,792
coming the very same day
1795
01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:36,500
{\an8}that a hitman says he was hired
by a police officer
1796
01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:38,500
{\an8}to kill Rick Wershe
back in the '80s.
1797
01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,375
{\an8}Maybe they need to step down
and let the boy out
1798
01:12:42,417 --> 01:12:44,750
{\an8}before I start
really naming names
1799
01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:46,417
{\an8}and they know who they are.
1800
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:49,166
In that documentary,
1801
01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,458
I'm told that Nate Craft
is going to say
1802
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:52,417
that former Mayor Coleman Young
1803
01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,750
and former City Council
President Gil Hill
1804
01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:56,709
went to great lengths
1805
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,875
to make sure
that White Boy Rick Wershe
1806
01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:00,583
would stay in prison
for the rest of his life.
1807
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,083
So, finally,
after all of this time,
1808
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,792
Kym Worthy says she's not
going to stand
1809
01:13:04,834 --> 01:13:06,500
in Rick Wershe's way,
1810
01:13:06,542 --> 01:13:07,917
but she's not gonna do
anything to help him either.
1811
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:11,750
{\an8}She's going to leave
that up to the parole board.
1812
01:13:11,792 --> 01:13:12,917
{\an8} Well, that's the problem,
1813
01:13:12,959 --> 01:13:14,583
{\an8}is the parole board.
1814
01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:17,083
{\an8}They believe whoever
is sitting there talking to them
1815
01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:19,875
and they never ask
any questions.
1816
01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,834
They just listen
to it all and then they vote.
1817
01:13:22,875 --> 01:13:24,291
And half the time,
1818
01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,250
they've listened
to the wrong information.
1819
01:13:26,792 --> 01:13:29,250
{\an8}The Supreme Court
in, in the State of Michigan
1820
01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:30,709
needs to take a look at this,
1821
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,583
or the governor
needs to pardon him.
1822
01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,208
Every time I've called
the Governor's Office,
1823
01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,959
I've been told by his Office
of General Counsel
1824
01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:41,917
{\an8}that the governor
doesn't get involved.
1825
01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:45,417
{\an8}In any of the parole instances,
1826
01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,959
{\an8}he turns it over
to the parole board.
1827
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,625
{\an8}Think about that concept.
1828
01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,000
{\an8}These are unelected people
that are on the board.
1829
01:13:52,041 --> 01:13:53,417
{\an8}They're just regular people
1830
01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:55,291
and they're appointed
by the governor.
1831
01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,291
And you as the governor
of the state of Michigan
1832
01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,959
that get elected by the citizens
you're going to say,
1833
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,667
"Oh, what do you want me to do?"
1834
01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:03,417
The parole board says
they shouldn't do anything."
1835
01:14:03,458 --> 01:14:04,375
That's crazy.
1836
01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:07,333
I think people in Michigan
1837
01:14:07,375 --> 01:14:09,041
are finally realizing
1838
01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:10,834
that this story
is not going away
1839
01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:12,625
and it's not staying local.
1840
01:14:12,667 --> 01:14:14,375
It's going to get bigger.
It's going to get national.
1841
01:14:14,417 --> 01:14:15,834
It's gonna get international.
1842
01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:18,083
And someone's gonna
have to answer
1843
01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:20,291
as to why Rick Wershe
is still in prison
1844
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,041
because nobody
has answered for that yet.
1845
01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:24,625
This is the Claus von Bülow case
1846
01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,959
{\an8}uh, that, uh,
I was the appellant lawyer.
1847
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,458
{\an8}And you don't get too many cases
1848
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,375
{\an8}where the reversal
of the conviction
1849
01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,291
{\an8}makes the front page
of the New York Times.
1850
01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:33,375
{\an8} Attorney Alan Dershowitz
1851
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:36,625
{\an8}has an office full of memories
from the big cases.
1852
01:14:36,667 --> 01:14:38,166
{\an8}OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson,
1853
01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:40,083
{\an8}Patty Hearst, Jim Baker.
1854
01:14:40,125 --> 01:14:41,750
{\an8}He can't see any reason
1855
01:14:41,792 --> 01:14:43,875
Rick Wershe should still
be behind bars.
1856
01:14:43,917 --> 01:14:46,125
This is a terrible,
terrible injustice.
1857
01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:49,667
{\an8}This sentence has
so many constitutional problems
1858
01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:51,166
{\an8}that one would hope
a court would look at it
1859
01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:53,041
very skeptically.
1860
01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,959
One might at least have the hope
1861
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,834
that they will see
the thing in context,
1862
01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:58,583
and say to themselves,
"Oh, my God.
1863
01:14:58,625 --> 01:15:01,000
Young man, drug offense.
1864
01:15:01,041 --> 01:15:02,834
Look at how much time he spent.
1865
01:15:02,875 --> 01:15:04,208
That doesn't make sense."
1866
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:06,291
Alan Dershowitz
has agreed to assist
1867
01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,542
Rick Wershe's attorney,
Ralph Musilli, saying,
1868
01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:11,458
"An injustice like this
needs as much public attention
1869
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:12,500
as possible."
1870
01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:17,125
{\an8}Who's gonna be the hero here
and do the right thing?
1871
01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:19,792
I don't really think
anyone can look
1872
01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:21,291
at all the facts
surrounding this case
1873
01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:22,542
and not feel bad for him.
1874
01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,083
{\an8}And whether it's appropriate
or not for me to say,
1875
01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:29,125
{\an8}I, I am still a human being
despite being the judge
1876
01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,417
{\an8}that just happened
to inherit this case.
1877
01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:33,667
{\an8}I can't check that at the door,
1878
01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:36,542
and I think part of, uh, my job
is to have compassion
1879
01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:39,125
for people and the people
that come before me,
1880
01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,875
and to see all sides
of the story.
1881
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,000
And I don't know how anyone
can look at this
1882
01:15:43,041 --> 01:15:44,000
and not feel bad for him.
1883
01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:46,500
{\an8}I say Rick shoulda did
1884
01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,000
{\an8}seven, eight years
and been home.
1885
01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:49,834
{\an8}Should have been home.
1886
01:15:49,875 --> 01:15:51,500
{\an8}20 years ago.
1887
01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792
Even my daughters,
everybody say,
1888
01:15:52,834 --> 01:15:54,125
"Yeah, they should
let the boy go.
1889
01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:55,625
He did enough time."
1890
01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:57,792
Murders ain't--
He did more time than murderers.
1891
01:16:01,125 --> 01:16:02,625
{\an8}The leader of the
Young Boys Incorporated,
1892
01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:04,083
{\an8}Butch Jones,
1893
01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,834
the Henry Ford of heroin
as he'd like to call himself,
1894
01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:11,750
responsible for hundreds
and hundreds
1895
01:16:11,792 --> 01:16:13,625
of kilos of drugs being sold.
1896
01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:16,834
Responsible
for multiple murders,
1897
01:16:17,542 --> 01:16:19,625
alleged and convicted,
1898
01:16:19,667 --> 01:16:20,834
did seven years.
1899
01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:26,542
{\an8}Kurt McGurk
was Butch Jones' protégé.
1900
01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:30,875
A 16-year-old hitman
did 25 years.
1901
01:16:30,917 --> 01:16:32,000
He's out.
1902
01:16:32,542 --> 01:16:34,500
The Curry Boys.
1903
01:16:34,542 --> 01:16:37,375
Johnny Curry,
Rick's mentor in the game.
1904
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,333
Arguably the biggest Eastside
drug dealer of the 1980s,
1905
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,208
ran an empire for ten years.
1906
01:16:45,834 --> 01:16:47,917
Went into prison in 1987.
1907
01:16:47,959 --> 01:16:50,500
Came out in 1999, 12 years.
1908
01:16:51,458 --> 01:16:53,625
Nathaniel "Boone" Craft.
1909
01:16:53,667 --> 01:16:54,959
Here I am.
1910
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,500
Hitman, murderer,
1911
01:16:56,542 --> 01:16:58,083
however y'all wanna put it.
1912
01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,333
Admitted to killing 30 people
in open court
1913
01:17:02,083 --> 01:17:03,834
did 17 years, he's out.
1914
01:17:04,417 --> 01:17:06,291
I'm not in prison no longer.
1915
01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:09,000
I'm free,
1916
01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,291
and hoping one day y'all will
free White Boy Rick.
1917
01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,375
What rational human
being would say
1918
01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,333
that a man who has admitted
30 execution-style killings,
1919
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:24,625
who then cooperates
with law enforcement,
1920
01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:26,667
should get out in 17 years
1921
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:29,000
and Richard Wershe, Jr.
should be in for 28 years?
1922
01:17:30,625 --> 01:17:32,625
I know I'm going to hell.
1923
01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,709
There's nothing that I could do
to change that
1924
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:36,959
because my life
had so much violence,
1925
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,834
so much everything but, yet,
1926
01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,917
White Boy Rick
is still locked up.
1927
01:17:42,834 --> 01:17:46,417
The government takes
a 14-year-old boy
1928
01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:48,291
out of high school
1929
01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:52,000
and places him in imminent peril
1930
01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:54,250
so that they can do their job.
1931
01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:58,458
And after they used him up,
1932
01:17:58,500 --> 01:17:59,959
they kick him to the curb,
1933
01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:03,583
and send him to jail
for the rest of his life.
1934
01:18:05,083 --> 01:18:07,000
He done served a lot of time
1935
01:18:07,041 --> 01:18:09,000
{\an8}for something that he wasn't.
1936
01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,667
{\an8}Bottom line,
for something that he wasn't.
1937
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,291
What happens if...
1938
01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,917
three, or four, or five,
ten years down the road,
1939
01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:22,083
Rick, you get out of prison?
What do you do, then?
1940
01:18:23,375 --> 01:18:24,667
Start my life over.
1941
01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:30,291
Try and start
from the beginning, you know?
1942
01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:33,709
I wanna go home,
be able to raise my kids,
1943
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,375
have a family,
1944
01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,792
get a job somewhere,
and then lead a normal life.
1945
01:18:52,625 --> 01:18:54,625
Hello. I'm Kevin Dietz
with a breaking news story.
1946
01:18:54,667 --> 01:18:55,959
A decision is in
1947
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,417
on the Richard Wershe
"White Boy Rick" case.
1948
01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,125
The parole board has voted,
and they have voted
1949
01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:03,083
to parole Richard Wershe.
1950
01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,542
He will be freed
of his life sentence in prison
1951
01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:08,083
- in the state of Michigan.
1952
01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:09,542
Oh, my God!
1953
01:19:11,458 --> 01:19:12,500
- Is that it?
1954
01:19:12,542 --> 01:19:13,500
He did it.
1955
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667
The administrative assistant
came and called me in the office and-
1956
01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:20,667
-he basically told me, "Listen,
it's over."
1957
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:23,333
"You're done. Michigan paroled
you."
1958
01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:24,375
And what did you do?
1959
01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,750
I cried man.
1960
01:19:29,792 --> 01:19:30,709
I cried.
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