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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:29,834 --> 00:00:31,959 Um, we're here today on a motion for relief 4 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,458 from judgement filed by Mr. Wershe. 5 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,041 As both parties know, the parties are not... 6 00:00:37,083 --> 00:00:39,500 Being in prison the last 29 years- 7 00:00:39,542 --> 00:00:41,417 is like being dead. 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,959 "Now based on my readings of... 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,959 The only connection I have to the free world- 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,834 is this telephone. 11 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:55,834 You see your kids grow up- 12 00:00:55,875 --> 00:00:57,959 but you have no part of anything. 13 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:02,458 It's like living in the ultimate purgatory. 14 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,709 "The case law over the last decade 15 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:05,208 {\an8}has demanded that we treat juveniles 16 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:07,291 {\an8}constitutionally different than adults. 17 00:01:07,917 --> 00:01:09,917 That difference requires us to consider 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,417 the defendant's age at the time when crime..." 19 00:01:21,834 --> 00:01:23,875 Sitting here in front of the judge- 20 00:01:24,208 --> 00:01:25,500 scared as hell- 21 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:29,375 I know this is the best chance of getting my life back. 22 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:34,083 And I know everything rides on what this judge is about to say. 23 00:01:35,834 --> 00:01:37,583 Everyone knows who I am- 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,291 but no one knows the real reason I'm in here. 25 00:01:45,875 --> 00:01:47,166 The teenage drug dealer 26 00:01:47,208 --> 00:01:48,458 nicknamed "White Boy Rick," 27 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:50,375 was busted at age 17. 28 00:01:50,417 --> 00:01:53,041 And has served 28 years behind bars, 29 00:01:53,083 --> 00:01:54,583 {\an8}the longest ever in Michigan 30 00:01:54,625 --> 00:01:56,583 {\an8}for a non-violent juvenile. 31 00:01:56,625 --> 00:01:58,000 {\an8}You're not gonna convince any judge 32 00:01:58,041 --> 00:01:59,291 {\an8}in this day and age 33 00:01:59,333 --> 00:02:01,500 that somebody deserves life for selling drugs. 34 00:02:01,542 --> 00:02:03,041 How many of you have heard 35 00:02:03,083 --> 00:02:05,166 about the drug problem in our schools? 36 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:07,208 {\an8}The only thing that I legitimately remember 37 00:02:07,250 --> 00:02:08,667 {\an8}about the War on Drugs in the '80s 38 00:02:08,709 --> 00:02:10,000 {\an8}when I was a child, 39 00:02:10,041 --> 00:02:12,542 {\an8}was seeing Nancy Reagan on Diff'rent Strokes, 40 00:02:12,583 --> 00:02:15,083 telling, you know, Gary Coleman, "Just say no." 41 00:02:15,125 --> 00:02:17,583 All drugs are dumb. 42 00:02:17,625 --> 00:02:20,041 {\an8} He was moving kilos. 43 00:02:20,083 --> 00:02:22,458 {\an8}When you're 17 years old and you're moving kilos, 44 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,917 you know, you're at a status of drug dealer 45 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:27,375 that most 17-year-olds don't reach. 46 00:02:27,417 --> 00:02:28,917 And I'll tell you from what I can see 47 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:30,583 as a judge now, 48 00:02:30,625 --> 00:02:32,125 the War on Drugs is over, 49 00:02:32,166 --> 00:02:33,750 and drugs won. 50 00:02:33,792 --> 00:02:37,166 Young Boys Incorporated, originally, was the gang 51 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:39,333 that really institutionalized 52 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:42,375 {\an8}and industrialized the distribution of heroine. 53 00:02:42,417 --> 00:02:44,583 {\an8}Detroit's heroin market gave way to cocaine 54 00:02:44,625 --> 00:02:46,917 {\an8}which quickly gave way to crack cocaine. 55 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:49,542 Crack is a plague 56 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,500 of the inner cities in this country, and that's been especially true in Detroit. 57 00:02:51,542 --> 00:02:54,125 The city, literally, right in front of your eyes 58 00:02:54,166 --> 00:02:55,333 was falling apart. 59 00:02:55,375 --> 00:02:56,625 It was chaos. 60 00:02:56,667 --> 00:02:58,750 {\an8}And nobody knew how to handle it. 61 00:02:58,792 --> 00:02:59,834 {\an8}This chamber here holds 62 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:01,583 12 shotgun shells and everything... 63 00:03:01,625 --> 00:03:04,625 As part of a five-part series on the crack problem, 64 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:07,542 I went on dozens and dozens and dozens 65 00:03:07,583 --> 00:03:09,583 of narcotics raids 66 00:03:09,625 --> 00:03:11,709 with the No Crack Task Force. 67 00:03:16,417 --> 00:03:18,208 It was crazy. 68 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:20,125 I mean, today, you probably wouldn't get away with that. 69 00:03:20,166 --> 00:03:22,333 Agents say the gang was well armed. 70 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:23,583 In many of the homes, they found assault weapons. 71 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:25,125 It was very, very violent. 72 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:26,917 {\an8}We had officers shot, 73 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:28,542 {\an8}uh, a couple of them killed. 74 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:31,083 {\an8}And I was right in the middle of it. 75 00:03:31,125 --> 00:03:32,917 I was on, uh, the drug squad for the FBI. 76 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,000 But in the course of some of these raids, 77 00:03:35,041 --> 00:03:38,125 they discovered a cache of videotapes. 78 00:03:38,834 --> 00:03:40,250 And this is one of the drug homes 79 00:03:40,291 --> 00:03:41,500 owned by the Chambers Brothers, 80 00:03:41,542 --> 00:03:42,875 the notorious drug gang. 81 00:03:42,917 --> 00:03:45,083 Money, money, money! 82 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:46,500 We're rich, goddamn it! 83 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:50,458 A hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Cash. 84 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:52,166 They go through the homes. 85 00:03:52,208 --> 00:03:54,417 The faucets, 24 karat gold. 86 00:03:54,458 --> 00:03:56,500 And this was amazing stuff. 87 00:03:56,542 --> 00:03:57,583 Once upon a time, 88 00:03:57,625 --> 00:03:59,875 drug dealers was truly idolized. 89 00:03:59,917 --> 00:04:02,625 {\an8}They had all the man toys that they wanted. 90 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:05,083 {\an8}Cars, planes, housing, 91 00:04:05,125 --> 00:04:06,709 {\an8}weapons. 92 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:08,458 The money was just unlimited. 93 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:10,125 And it becomes a problem 94 00:04:10,166 --> 00:04:12,291 {\an8}because it's a cash business. 95 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:13,709 throw these ones away, man, 96 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:15,250 since we got $500,000? 97 00:04:15,291 --> 00:04:17,500 {\an8}What do you do with all that cash? 98 00:04:17,542 --> 00:04:19,125 I tell you what we can do, 99 00:04:19,166 --> 00:04:20,959 we can give it to the poor. 100 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,291 That's exactly what I said, too, 101 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,500 we'll just donate those to the poor. 102 00:04:24,542 --> 00:04:26,875 It seemed like every week, 103 00:04:26,917 --> 00:04:30,250 a new drug gang emerged. 104 00:04:30,291 --> 00:04:31,750 The Chambers Brothers, 105 00:04:31,792 --> 00:04:33,542 Best Friends, 106 00:04:33,583 --> 00:04:36,667 Young Boys Incorporated, Maserati Rick, 107 00:04:36,709 --> 00:04:39,041 Johnny Curry and Leo Curry 108 00:04:39,083 --> 00:04:41,667 had started a drug organization. 109 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:43,208 Say, for instance, I got a key of cocaine, 110 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:44,834 {\an8}and two or three keys of cocaine. 111 00:04:44,875 --> 00:04:47,291 {\an8}You might have a hundred bales of weed. 112 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:49,959 {\an8}I make more off this cocaine 113 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,166 than you do off the weed with less headaches. 114 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:54,959 That's how I got into that game. 115 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,834 When we talk about Young Boys Incorporated, 116 00:04:57,875 --> 00:04:59,834 or the Chambers Brothers, 117 00:04:59,875 --> 00:05:04,542 there's not one single white person involved 118 00:05:04,583 --> 00:05:06,291 in any of those gangs. 119 00:05:10,583 --> 00:05:12,375 During the coverage of the Chambers Brothers, 120 00:05:12,417 --> 00:05:15,750 I had a conversation with a source or sources 121 00:05:15,792 --> 00:05:16,792 who said, "You know, there's this kid 122 00:05:16,834 --> 00:05:17,875 who's dealing cocaine. 123 00:05:19,208 --> 00:05:20,917 Richard Wershe, Jr. He's 17. 124 00:05:22,041 --> 00:05:23,875 And he's white, 125 00:05:23,917 --> 00:05:25,583 in a largely black-dominated world. 126 00:05:26,291 --> 00:05:28,083 And his nickname is "White Boy Rick." 127 00:05:28,125 --> 00:05:29,417 The teenage drug dealer 128 00:05:29,458 --> 00:05:30,750 nicknamed "White Boy Rick." 129 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,583 His name is Richard Wershe, Jr. 130 00:05:35,625 --> 00:05:37,125 One of the things you don't wanna do 131 00:05:37,166 --> 00:05:38,750 {\an8}if you're a criminal, 132 00:05:38,792 --> 00:05:40,834 {\an8}I would advise you never to get a nickname 133 00:05:40,875 --> 00:05:42,834 {\an8}and especially, a really catchy nickname. 134 00:05:43,375 --> 00:05:45,667 I just remember the name and the face. 135 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:48,709 {\an8}I recall me and my friends joking around 136 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:50,792 {\an8}when we were 16, 17 in the suburbs, 137 00:05:50,834 --> 00:05:53,917 {\an8}and someone would be dealing weed out of his car 138 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:55,792 and we joked, "Oh, who do you think you are, 139 00:05:55,834 --> 00:05:56,709 White Boy Rick?" 140 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:58,834 In the 1990s, 141 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:00,625 when I first entered the federal prison system, 142 00:06:00,667 --> 00:06:02,667 {\an8}you hear about all the different street legends 143 00:06:02,709 --> 00:06:03,959 {\an8}from the different cities. 144 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,917 {\an8}I, I was mainly on the East Coast, 145 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:07,458 {\an8}but one of the guys, 146 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:09,125 {\an8}you know, that there was a lot of talk about, 147 00:06:09,166 --> 00:06:10,834 was White Boy Rick. 148 00:06:10,875 --> 00:06:13,709 And, to me, I was kinda mesmerized, because, 149 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:15,208 you know, being a white drug dealer myself, 150 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:16,959 in the suburbs and in colleges, 151 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,875 I was like, "Who was this white kid 152 00:06:18,917 --> 00:06:21,166 you know, that was supposedly running all these black gangs 153 00:06:21,208 --> 00:06:23,125 and running the city of Detroit?" 154 00:06:23,166 --> 00:06:24,125 At that time, 155 00:06:25,875 --> 00:06:27,875 I really didn't know anything about White Boy Rick. 156 00:06:27,917 --> 00:06:29,834 I didn't know who Rick Wershe was. 157 00:06:29,875 --> 00:06:31,709 I just knew there was this caricature, 158 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:33,917 almost like a comic book character 159 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:35,458 being splashed across the newspapers all the time. 160 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:39,208 {\an8}He had to be at least 15, 16 years old when I met him. 161 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:41,125 But he was smart. 162 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,166 He was socializing and doing business 163 00:06:43,208 --> 00:06:45,083 with the biggest drug dealers in Detroit. 164 00:06:45,125 --> 00:06:46,750 We all bought motorcycles together, 165 00:06:46,792 --> 00:06:48,792 rolled up to see my brother in prison together. 166 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:52,458 It became a very iconic moniker. 167 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:55,375 It has been name-dropped in Kid Rock songs. 168 00:06:57,917 --> 00:07:00,000 Johnny Curry would buy him a mink coat. 169 00:07:00,041 --> 00:07:01,625 They'd walk around with their twin mink coats. 170 00:07:02,041 --> 00:07:03,667 {\an8}To integrate like he did, 171 00:07:03,709 --> 00:07:05,875 {\an8}I mean, that's not... Not everyone can do that. 172 00:07:05,917 --> 00:07:08,166 And my point is, he wasn't a poser. 173 00:07:08,208 --> 00:07:09,709 That's who he was. 174 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:11,166 {\an8}He was a product of his environment. 175 00:07:11,208 --> 00:07:13,000 {\an8}He was a white kid that was brought up 176 00:07:13,041 --> 00:07:16,709 his... basically, his whole life around all black people. 177 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:18,750 A lot of the DPD 178 00:07:18,792 --> 00:07:21,000 that were working in the Detroit drug scene at that time, 179 00:07:21,041 --> 00:07:22,792 knew Rick was a race traitor. 180 00:07:22,834 --> 00:07:24,959 They did not like the fact that he talked black, 181 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,375 that he acted black, 182 00:07:26,417 --> 00:07:28,041 that he dated black women, 183 00:07:28,083 --> 00:07:31,667 and definitely didn't like 14 to 15-year-old kids 184 00:07:31,709 --> 00:07:33,291 rolling around in BMWs, 185 00:07:33,333 --> 00:07:35,625 and flashing cash wads 186 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,792 that equal more than their entire paycheck 187 00:07:37,834 --> 00:07:38,917 {\an8}for the whole year. 188 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:40,125 {\an8}Half million a week. 189 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:42,000 Two million dollars a month. 190 00:07:42,041 --> 00:07:43,959 It bred a lot of resent. 191 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:51,583 - Dispatch 8. 192 00:07:51,625 --> 00:07:54,041 There were sections of the city in the mid '80s 193 00:07:54,083 --> 00:07:55,667 that were war zones. 194 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:56,959 This drug operation 195 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,166 was so heavily-fortified, 196 00:07:59,208 --> 00:08:00,667 that police could not get through the front door. 197 00:08:00,709 --> 00:08:01,917 - Calling in. 198 00:08:03,375 --> 00:08:04,709 In Detroit in the 1980s, 199 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:06,625 there were dozens upon dozens 200 00:08:06,667 --> 00:08:07,750 of proficient, professional killers. 201 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:09,125 The most menacing, 202 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:11,166 the most feared, 203 00:08:11,208 --> 00:08:12,959 {\an8}was without question, Nate "Boone" Craft. 204 00:08:13,542 --> 00:08:15,083 {\an8} In the '80s, 205 00:08:15,125 --> 00:08:16,792 {\an8}I was a hitman 206 00:08:16,834 --> 00:08:20,500 {\an8}that worked for many different drug lords and kingpin. 207 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:23,041 {\an8}Even some that weren't even in this country. 208 00:08:23,083 --> 00:08:25,291 there are direct links now 209 00:08:25,333 --> 00:08:27,875 between gangs and Colombian drug dealers. 210 00:08:27,917 --> 00:08:30,041 They were hiring me to do hits. 211 00:08:30,083 --> 00:08:32,583 I was, uh, involved with about 30 murders. 212 00:08:32,625 --> 00:08:35,083 I was responsible for almost 30 murders. 213 00:08:35,125 --> 00:08:37,291 They paid 50,000 and up. 214 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:39,250 And I was looking to gain. 215 00:08:39,291 --> 00:08:40,750 Anything that was 50,000, 216 00:08:40,792 --> 00:08:42,333 I'll always will be, "Come on with it. 217 00:08:43,041 --> 00:08:44,625 What do you want? The guy's head? 218 00:08:44,667 --> 00:08:47,500 You want his arm? You want his private part?" 219 00:08:49,417 --> 00:08:50,500 {\an8}of the Detroit Police Department's 220 00:08:50,542 --> 00:08:52,041 {\an8}Homicide Division. 221 00:08:52,083 --> 00:08:54,000 {\an8}Crack cocaine changed the whole complexion 222 00:08:54,041 --> 00:08:57,834 of homicide cases in the city of Detroit. 223 00:08:57,875 --> 00:09:01,291 We were actually having almost 800 homicides per year. 224 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:05,625 {\an8}Probably 85% was due in some part 225 00:09:05,667 --> 00:09:07,625 to the narcotics trade. 226 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,041 {\an8}Now this is what happens to you 227 00:09:12,083 --> 00:09:15,542 {\an8}when you become a gangster, a hitman, or whatever. 228 00:09:15,583 --> 00:09:16,917 You get shot up. 229 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:20,041 {\an8}Either you didn't pay what you owe me, 230 00:09:20,083 --> 00:09:22,709 or jealousy takes over. 231 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:25,083 Leg, tore up. 232 00:09:25,125 --> 00:09:26,417 I had to walk with a cane. 233 00:09:27,083 --> 00:09:29,959 AK. I can't even move my hands. 234 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,750 Shotgun blast. 235 00:09:31,792 --> 00:09:34,000 They hit me with everything, nine in the back. 236 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:35,166 I'm like the Grim Reaper. 237 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:36,625 If you make my list, I'm coming for you, 238 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:38,250 whether you're good or bad. 239 00:09:38,291 --> 00:09:41,250 White people have left this city in record numbers. 240 00:09:41,291 --> 00:09:44,083 It goes from almost two million people, 241 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:46,250 now it's down to a million people. 242 00:09:46,291 --> 00:09:47,917 Today, we're probably down 243 00:09:47,959 --> 00:09:49,875 to 600,000 people. 244 00:09:52,041 --> 00:09:54,250 Rick grew up on the east side of Detroit 245 00:09:54,291 --> 00:09:56,542 which is, uh, notoriously a very tough, tough area. 246 00:09:56,583 --> 00:09:57,917 {\an8}We were very normal. 247 00:09:57,959 --> 00:09:59,417 {\an8}We were a normal family coming up. 248 00:09:59,458 --> 00:10:01,542 {\an8}My grandparents lived across the street from us. 249 00:10:01,583 --> 00:10:04,250 And it was my brother, and my dad and I, and... 250 00:10:04,291 --> 00:10:07,583 Rick's father and I divorced when Rick was 5. 251 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:10,959 And they stayed with him 252 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,542 at the house which I wasn't happy about. 253 00:10:13,583 --> 00:10:15,959 {\an8}But they wanted to be there, 254 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,709 {\an8}so I left them. 255 00:10:19,667 --> 00:10:20,917 It went, you know, from a nice, 256 00:10:20,959 --> 00:10:22,000 working class neighborhood 257 00:10:22,041 --> 00:10:23,417 regardless of race or color, 258 00:10:23,959 --> 00:10:25,917 to just horrible. 259 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:27,625 Like, there was crack houses 260 00:10:27,667 --> 00:10:28,500 across the street from our house. 261 00:10:30,875 --> 00:10:32,208 My grandmother, I remember her getting robbed for her purse 262 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:33,375 in her own driveway. 263 00:10:33,417 --> 00:10:34,333 I mean, it was bad. 264 00:10:36,208 --> 00:10:37,500 {\an8}He played Little League Baseball. 265 00:10:37,542 --> 00:10:39,041 {\an8}He was the star of his league baseball team, 266 00:10:39,083 --> 00:10:40,125 {\an8}a pitcher. 267 00:10:40,166 --> 00:10:42,083 Eventually, he went out 268 00:10:42,125 --> 00:10:43,458 and spent his eighth-grade year out in the suburbs 269 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:44,917 in Macomb County with his mom. 270 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:46,625 He did really well out there. 271 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:49,166 He got good grades, he was popular in the school. 272 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:52,917 {\an8}But he was seeing his father on occasion, 273 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:55,041 and he decided to go back with him. 274 00:10:55,834 --> 00:10:59,166 Richard Sr. was a gun dealer... 275 00:11:00,041 --> 00:11:01,291 street hustler. 276 00:11:01,333 --> 00:11:03,667 {\an8}And the joke became, you know, 277 00:11:03,709 --> 00:11:06,125 {\an8}that there was White Dad Rick, and White Boy Rick. 278 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:09,208 {\an8}Rick himself, really idolized his father, 279 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:12,291 {\an8}and spent most of his childhood at his father's side. 280 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:14,083 {\an8}To the point where he was kinda known 281 00:11:14,125 --> 00:11:15,375 in those gun shows 282 00:11:15,417 --> 00:11:18,041 when he was 11, 12, 13 years old, 283 00:11:18,083 --> 00:11:19,250 as like one of the best salesmen 284 00:11:19,291 --> 00:11:20,917 at those gun shows. 285 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:22,917 It was an adventurous life. 286 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:24,291 I mean, it was cowboys and Indians 287 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:26,083 in Detroit at that time. 288 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:27,542 And he just got caught up in it. 289 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:30,000 [Se Everything that I knew, 290 00:11:30,041 --> 00:11:32,166 {\an8}you know, that was like the glamorized version 291 00:11:32,208 --> 00:11:33,875 {\an8}of White Boy Rick. 292 00:11:33,917 --> 00:11:35,834 But once I started talking to him, 293 00:11:35,875 --> 00:11:37,834 and researching the case with all the documents 294 00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:39,250 and newspaper articles and court records, 295 00:11:39,291 --> 00:11:41,166 I found a very different story emerged. 296 00:11:42,417 --> 00:11:44,291 One out of every five people 297 00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:46,250 who try cocaine get hooked. 298 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:49,291 But that's not your problem. 299 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:52,709 - Or is it? 300 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:58,625 What the legislators tried to do 301 00:11:58,667 --> 00:12:01,250 was make the law so harsh 302 00:12:01,291 --> 00:12:03,583 that people would think twice 303 00:12:03,625 --> 00:12:05,291 before getting into the drug trade. 304 00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:06,959 {\an8}Now we're gonna pass the statute 305 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,542 {\an8}that provides for mandatory life. 306 00:12:08,583 --> 00:12:09,917 Anybody who's in possession 307 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:11,917 of over 650 grams of cocaine, 308 00:12:11,959 --> 00:12:13,959 they got convicted, they got mandatory life. 309 00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:16,291 Hundreds of people were prosecuted 310 00:12:16,333 --> 00:12:17,709 underneath the 650 Law, 311 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:19,000 including Tim Allen, 312 00:12:19,041 --> 00:12:20,667 the actor in Hollywood. 313 00:12:20,709 --> 00:12:24,500 Well, historically, penalty has never been a factor 314 00:12:24,542 --> 00:12:27,583 in stopping a crime from occurring. 315 00:12:27,625 --> 00:12:30,667 As long as there's enough money in the crime, 316 00:12:30,709 --> 00:12:32,291 the penalty isn't gonna make 317 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:33,083 a big difference. 318 00:12:34,667 --> 00:12:36,625 {\an8}There was a lot of money to be made, 319 00:12:36,667 --> 00:12:38,083 {\an8}and a lot of people tried to make money. 320 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,375 {\an8}And I represented quite a few of them. 321 00:12:40,417 --> 00:12:42,250 That kind of money began to corrupt everything. 322 00:12:42,291 --> 00:12:44,125 It corrupted the government, 323 00:12:44,166 --> 00:12:45,875 it corrupted the police. 324 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:51,417 There can be no progress in the suburbs 325 00:12:51,458 --> 00:12:53,709 unless there's progress in the city. 326 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:55,792 Yeah! 327 00:12:55,834 --> 00:12:57,667 Coleman Young is the most powerful politician 328 00:12:57,709 --> 00:12:59,333 in the history of Detroit. 329 00:12:59,375 --> 00:13:01,291 {\an8}Coleman Young was a machine. 330 00:13:01,333 --> 00:13:03,208 {\an8}And his niece was Cathy Volsan, 331 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:06,166 and she was married to Johnny Curry, 332 00:13:06,208 --> 00:13:07,959 one of the biggest drug dealers in Detroit. 333 00:13:08,291 --> 00:13:11,417 {\an8}My wife's uncle was Mayor Coleman Young. 334 00:13:12,291 --> 00:13:15,291 There was a protective detail 335 00:13:15,333 --> 00:13:19,458 {\an8}that Coleman Young wanted placed on Cathy Volsan 336 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:22,333 knowing full well that she was married 337 00:13:22,375 --> 00:13:24,959 and living with all these drug dealers. 338 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,667 And then she heard about the Curry Brothers 339 00:13:27,709 --> 00:13:29,917 {\an8}and what we was into in our life, 340 00:13:29,959 --> 00:13:31,792 {\an8}so we started dating. 341 00:13:31,834 --> 00:13:33,000 And then, the next thing you know, 342 00:13:33,041 --> 00:13:34,208 we was married. 343 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:36,125 {\an8}I just find it crazy 344 00:13:36,166 --> 00:13:38,208 {\an8}that he had a protection detail 345 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:39,417 {\an8}of police officers 346 00:13:39,458 --> 00:13:42,208 {\an8}guarding his drug dealer niece. 347 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:43,208 {\an8} Including Jimmy Harris, 348 00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,709 {\an8}who was Mayor Coleman Young's head of security. 349 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:48,041 {\an8}They were specifically instructed 350 00:13:48,083 --> 00:13:49,917 {\an8}not to intervene in this interactions 351 00:13:49,959 --> 00:13:51,917 {\an8}and in these transactions. 352 00:13:51,959 --> 00:13:55,208 {\an8}One time, I got picked up by, uh, one of the police officers. 353 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,208 {\an8}He knew I had something in the car. 354 00:13:57,834 --> 00:13:59,291 He's seen it on the backseat. 355 00:14:00,166 --> 00:14:02,125 He said, "Go ahead and go about your way. 356 00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:05,208 You want me to escort you in or something like that?" 357 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:06,834 So, I was fine. 358 00:14:06,875 --> 00:14:09,208 'Cause they really never messed with me too tough. 359 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,041 Their only job 360 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:13,291 was to follow around Cathy Curry 361 00:14:13,333 --> 00:14:15,375 and prevent her from harm. 362 00:14:15,417 --> 00:14:16,834 It was a slippery slope, 363 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:18,333 I think, for... for these people. 364 00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,458 {\an8}They went downhill, uh, very, very fast. 365 00:14:20,709 --> 00:14:24,041 It was wide open for greedy people. 366 00:14:24,083 --> 00:14:27,291 And cops is just greedy as we are. 367 00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:29,291 {\an8}If they got debts and so forth, 368 00:14:29,959 --> 00:14:31,208 {\an8}they're gonna turn to crooks. 369 00:14:31,959 --> 00:14:33,417 {\an8}Everybody, every police officer, 370 00:14:33,458 --> 00:14:35,917 {\an8}down at 1300 was crooked. 371 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:37,333 When I was down there, 372 00:14:37,375 --> 00:14:38,667 I walked there like... 373 00:14:38,709 --> 00:14:41,083 Shit, I did bad as myself. 374 00:14:41,125 --> 00:14:42,750 Johnny Curry, 375 00:14:42,792 --> 00:14:44,834 {\an8}because of his marriage to Cathy Curry, 376 00:14:44,875 --> 00:14:47,875 {\an8}had a direct line to Gil Hill, 377 00:14:47,917 --> 00:14:50,000 who, at the time, was 378 00:14:50,041 --> 00:14:52,166 the Detroit Police Department's head of the Homicide Division. 379 00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:54,375 Gil Hill had bigger aspirations. 380 00:14:54,417 --> 00:14:57,041 He had, uh, become uh, a movie actor. 381 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,500 Was in this wildly popular Eddie Murphy movie, 382 00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,917 Beverly Hills Cop, where he played the boss 383 00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:03,333 of Eddie Murphy in the movie. 384 00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:05,250 Inspector T., how you doing? 385 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:07,542 Where the you've been, Foley? 386 00:15:08,458 --> 00:15:10,959 In Detroit, everybody knew Gil Hill, 387 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,083 they wanted to talk to Gil Hill and be around Gil Hill. 388 00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,375 He was probably the biggest celebrity 389 00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:17,333 in the city of Detroit at the time. 390 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,417 {\an8}Gil Hill, to me, was a lot more 391 00:15:19,458 --> 00:15:20,333 {\an8}than the Beverly Hills Cop 392 00:15:20,375 --> 00:15:22,041 {\an8}that you see on TV. 393 00:15:22,709 --> 00:15:24,125 He actually trained me. 394 00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,375 He actually taught me the ins and outs 395 00:15:26,417 --> 00:15:28,291 of investigations and interrogations. 396 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:32,542 Was Gil Hill affiliated with the drug world? 397 00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:33,583 Affiliated? 398 00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,291 Yeah, he was affiliated. 399 00:15:36,375 --> 00:15:41,542 {\an8}He basically got us to stay away from certain people 400 00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:43,709 {\an8}that he wanted to protect. 401 00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:46,583 He'd tell us, "Hey, man, don't be hitting this. 402 00:15:46,625 --> 00:15:47,917 Don't do this and that. 403 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:50,291 'Cause if you made our list, 404 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,375 you was gonna be killed." 405 00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:56,625 I have nothing bad to say about Gil Hill. 406 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,500 He wanted homicides closed. 407 00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:00,834 And he wanted to get some resolve 408 00:16:00,875 --> 00:16:03,208 {\an8}to the brutality of taking another person's life. 409 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,709 So you're telling me that the head of homicide came to you- 410 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,917 and asked who you've got on your hit list? 411 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:09,709 Yeah. 412 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:10,917 Gil. 413 00:16:11,417 --> 00:16:13,083 As Gil would say, 414 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,166 "Anybody else on your list? I don't give a fuck." 415 00:16:15,750 --> 00:16:17,875 That's not the Gil Hill that I know. 416 00:16:17,917 --> 00:16:19,417 That doesn't mean that, of course, 417 00:16:19,458 --> 00:16:21,125 people don't have dark sides. 418 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:24,083 'Cause I, too, believe that all people have dark sides. 419 00:16:24,125 --> 00:16:25,500 So we would have to listen to Gil 420 00:16:25,542 --> 00:16:27,709 because he gonna do us a favor later. 421 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,542 In order for us to get favors from him, 422 00:16:29,583 --> 00:16:31,917 we got to do favors for him as well, 423 00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:33,500 one hand washes the other. 424 00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:35,709 {\an8}He was a guy with quite a bit of cache. 425 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:40,000 {\an8}He had, he had his eyes set on the mayor's office himself. 426 00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,375 {\an8} I think he viewed himself 427 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,375 {\an8}as Coleman Young's successor. 428 00:16:43,417 --> 00:16:45,250 One of the nation's best-known mayors, 429 00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:46,333 Coleman Young of Detroit, 430 00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:49,792 is getting a kind of national attention these days 431 00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:50,667 that no politician wants. 432 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:54,667 {\an8}Coleman Young was a notoriously corrupt mayor 433 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,458 {\an8}that never got convicted or indicted. 434 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,709 The latest involves charges 435 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,792 that his police chief 436 00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,792 stole from a fund set up for undercover drug buys. 437 00:17:02,834 --> 00:17:04,583 And who the do you think you are 438 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,458 to come in here and cross-examine me? 439 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,375 He drew enormous animosity 440 00:17:09,417 --> 00:17:12,041 {\an8}from a number of white residents 441 00:17:12,083 --> 00:17:14,917 {\an8}who blamed him for great social ills. 442 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:17,917 And I know a number of people including a number of federal 443 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,291 and local law enforcement figures 444 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,542 that thought that he was steeped 445 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,625 totally in corruption. 446 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:24,959 I don't buy that. 447 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,250 I think there are people around him were. 448 00:17:27,291 --> 00:17:29,834 So, lots of members of federal law enforcement 449 00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,375 had a giant agenda to go get Coleman Young. 450 00:17:33,083 --> 00:17:35,458 And try to tie parts of his administration 451 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:37,500 into the Curry organization. 452 00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:40,625 {\an8}Johnny and Leo Curry were convicted 453 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:43,875 and did a plea agreement for 20 years. 454 00:17:43,917 --> 00:17:45,792 {\an8}I did 14 years. 455 00:17:45,834 --> 00:17:49,291 {\an8}I got a 20-year sentence, I did 14, and came out. 456 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:52,542 And one day, I get a tip 457 00:17:52,583 --> 00:17:55,542 that they were gonna raid Cathy Volsan-Curry's townhouse. 458 00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:57,750 The Feds go in there, 459 00:17:57,792 --> 00:17:59,667 and guess who's in there, 460 00:17:59,709 --> 00:18:01,041 in bed with Cathy Volsan-Curry? 461 00:18:01,667 --> 00:18:02,875 Richard Wershe, Jr. 462 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:05,834 Imagine my editors asking me, 463 00:18:05,875 --> 00:18:06,875 "What have you got going today?" 464 00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:08,792 I said, "Well, 465 00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:11,125 an alleged notorious 17-year-old drug dealer 466 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:12,458 was caught in a raid, 467 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,208 sleeping with the niece of the mayor 468 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:15,500 on a Friday afternoon." 469 00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:18,000 That's a bad day for the Mayor's Office. 470 00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:21,625 You had race, you had drugs, 471 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:24,500 {\an8}you had sex, you had political intrigue, 472 00:18:24,542 --> 00:18:26,583 {\an8}you had police corruption. 473 00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:31,583 {\an8}So now, Rick Wershe is dating Coleman Young's niece. 474 00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,458 {\an8}And that's a problem for Coleman Young. 475 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,500 And it becomes a problem for Rick Wershe. 476 00:18:35,542 --> 00:18:37,458 {\an8} Wershe was busted 477 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:39,750 {\an8}for possessing eight kilos of cocaine. 478 00:18:39,792 --> 00:18:42,583 The charge which now has him serving a life sentence. 479 00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:44,959 You're not trying to tell me that... 480 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,458 you're an angel, 481 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,083 that you never did anything wrong, right? 482 00:18:48,125 --> 00:18:50,250 I've been involved in wrongdoing, 483 00:18:50,291 --> 00:18:53,458 but I don't feel I did anything to receive a life sentence. 484 00:18:55,542 --> 00:18:57,625 The 650-Lifer Law 485 00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,667 that, uh, Wershe was convicted under, 486 00:18:59,709 --> 00:19:02,000 {\an8}uh, was repealed in 1998. 487 00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,875 So the Supreme Court of the State of Michigan said, 488 00:19:06,917 --> 00:19:10,375 "That constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, 489 00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,333 so you can't sentence people to life without parole 490 00:19:14,375 --> 00:19:15,750 for a non-violent crime. 491 00:19:23,667 --> 00:19:27,291 But to be incarcerated for 28 years, 492 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:29,583 he's now a grandfather. 493 00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,709 And everybody kinda recognized 494 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,667 it was a fool's errand from the beginning. 495 00:19:34,709 --> 00:19:36,542 {\an8}Just like almost all tough on crime things 496 00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:38,875 {\an8}turned out to be a fool's errand. 497 00:19:38,917 --> 00:19:41,750 Until the law was changed, I don't think they caught one, 498 00:19:41,792 --> 00:19:44,750 not one large-scale drug dealer. 499 00:19:44,792 --> 00:19:47,667 Were you ever a cocaine kingpin? 500 00:19:47,709 --> 00:19:50,041 And then in the press, they come out and say, 501 00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:52,834 "Drug kingpin White Boy Rick." 502 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,542 {\an8}Kingpin of what? 503 00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,375 {\an8}Who? 504 00:19:57,417 --> 00:19:58,834 {\an8}He didn't have a drug gang, 505 00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:00,542 {\an8}he didn't have crack houses. 506 00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:02,208 - You ever kill anyone? - No. 507 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,583 - Ever ordered anyone killed? - No. 508 00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:05,875 {\an8} I'm sorry to tell you, 509 00:20:05,917 --> 00:20:08,709 {\an8}that the legend of White Boy Rick 510 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,250 {\an8}is just not true. 511 00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:16,583 Why would a juvenile, non-violent drug offender 512 00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,208 be kept in prison beyond 29 years? 513 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,083 I did way more than he could possibly ever had done 514 00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,000 {\an8}to get that kind of a sentence. 515 00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:30,125 Third world countries don't incarcerate like this. 516 00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:36,041 How does a 16 or 17-year-old kid, 517 00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,667 Richard Wershe, Jr., 518 00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:40,667 {\an8}how does he get connected to the Curry family? 519 00:20:43,542 --> 00:20:45,000 Here's the truth. 520 00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:48,667 At the age of 14, I was recruited by the FBI- 521 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 to become an informant. 522 00:21:01,834 --> 00:21:03,834 {\an8} It's a convoluted story. 523 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:07,750 {\an8}So when I met, uh, Richard Wershe, Sr., 524 00:21:07,792 --> 00:21:09,625 {\an8}he had been opened up as an informant 525 00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,083 {\an8}and operated, uh, for a period of time 526 00:21:12,125 --> 00:21:13,542 {\an8}by two other agents. 527 00:21:13,583 --> 00:21:17,125 He was a gun dealer, uh, he was an entrepreneur. 528 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:18,750 {\an8}There was no end to what he was doing. 529 00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:19,792 {\an8}If he was in one thing, 530 00:21:19,834 --> 00:21:21,709 {\an8}he was always dabbling in the next. 531 00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:24,417 But he was very brilliant, 532 00:21:24,458 --> 00:21:26,458 he invented a lot of things. 533 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,125 And I think he probably held more patents 534 00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,875 than anyone in the state of Michigan. 535 00:21:31,917 --> 00:21:33,667 {\an8}I think he also had a business, 536 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,792 {\an8}where he would illegally sell guns on the black market. 537 00:21:37,834 --> 00:21:39,500 {\an8}And help people get permits. 538 00:21:39,542 --> 00:21:42,166 {\an8}He even sold silencers. 539 00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,667 {\an8}He could get you anything. He could get you grenades. 540 00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:48,959 {\an8}And then, kind of played both ends of the game, 541 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,083 {\an8}he would then divulge 542 00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:55,041 {\an8}who he was selling these guns to, to the FBI. 543 00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:57,667 {\an8}At the top of the list of their targets 544 00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,709 {\an8}is Johnny Curry and the Curry gang. 545 00:22:02,667 --> 00:22:04,750 So the first time I met Wershe, Sr. 546 00:22:04,792 --> 00:22:08,417 {\an8}Uh, it was at a McDonald's on the west side of Detroit. 547 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:10,166 {\an8}And, uh, when I walked into the restaurant, 548 00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:12,500 {\an8}and after introductions were made, 549 00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:14,834 {\an8}I noticed, uh, he's got this young kid with him. 550 00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,750 It appeared to me to be 15 or so. 551 00:22:16,792 --> 00:22:18,125 And when we got talking about 552 00:22:18,166 --> 00:22:19,750 the Curry, uh, drug investigation, 553 00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:23,792 I noticed the father would defer to the son. 554 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:27,125 {\an8}My dad didn't really know who these people were. 555 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,625 And pretty soon, it became apparent to me 556 00:22:28,667 --> 00:22:31,000 that really, the kid is somehow 557 00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,375 the real source of the information. 558 00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,667 And I kind of interjected and told them who they were- 559 00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:38,917 and recognized them from the neighborhood. 560 00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:40,041 I just didn't feel comfortable with it. 561 00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,667 I didn't think it was appropriate. 562 00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:43,166 But I wanted to keep the channels 563 00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:44,500 of communication open. 564 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,500 I believe Richard himself, quickly realized 565 00:22:48,542 --> 00:22:50,667 {\an8}that the target for this was big game. 566 00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:54,875 He was using his son to get paid. 567 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,875 It's not the role of a father to do something like that. 568 00:22:59,875 --> 00:23:01,792 And this was something that I think 569 00:23:01,834 --> 00:23:03,750 started off as one thing, 570 00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,709 and ended as another thing. 571 00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:08,458 It started off where they would, you know, sometimes pick Rick up 572 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,375 and they drive him through the neighborhood. 573 00:23:10,417 --> 00:23:12,458 And they say, "Rick, tell us who this guy is. 574 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,125 Tell us what that spot is. What's that spot?" 575 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,291 So here's this 14-year-old kid 576 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,458 getting paid money to inform on narcotics dealers 577 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,125 in the city of Detroit. 578 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,166 In the short time he was an informant for the police, 579 00:23:23,208 --> 00:23:27,458 he collected about $35,000 from law enforcement. 580 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,208 I went shopping, I bought stuff. 581 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:32,166 I bought a car when I was 15 years old. 582 00:23:32,208 --> 00:23:34,291 {\an8}It's funny to me how people always talk about 583 00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:36,291 {\an8}what criminals will do to make a dollar. 584 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,542 But, you know, on the same regard, 585 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,875 you got to look at what the FBI will do 586 00:23:40,917 --> 00:23:41,875 to make an arrest. 587 00:23:43,417 --> 00:23:45,250 He was actually instructed 588 00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,041 to infiltrate the Curry Boys gang. 589 00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:49,875 {\an8}And start hanging out with the Currys, 590 00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:51,917 {\an8}pretending that you wanna learn the drug game 591 00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:54,000 {\an8}to start making controlled buys. 592 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,667 {\an8}We had started letting him do little errands 593 00:23:55,709 --> 00:23:57,583 {\an8}and then he started knowing a few people that... 594 00:23:57,625 --> 00:24:00,125 {\an8}you figured that when a white boy sells it, 595 00:24:00,166 --> 00:24:01,750 the dope is good or whatever. 596 00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:03,875 You know, so he started doing his thing. 597 00:24:03,917 --> 00:24:05,667 He didn't play a really major role. 598 00:24:05,709 --> 00:24:07,250 Nobody would mess with him, though, 599 00:24:07,291 --> 00:24:09,333 because they knew he was coming from us, so. 600 00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:11,083 {\an8}You know, within a couple of months, 601 00:24:11,125 --> 00:24:13,250 {\an8}Rick is right by Johnny Curry's side. 602 00:24:13,291 --> 00:24:14,583 {\an8}And has become a protégé of Johnny Curry's. 603 00:24:14,875 --> 00:24:17,917 I don't think anybody realized 604 00:24:17,959 --> 00:24:19,709 that Rick would be able to do that. 605 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:21,875 Let alone, do it so quickly. 606 00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,208 And were they able to make any arrests 607 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,458 out of your information? 608 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,458 {\an8}Oh, yeah. Numerous. 609 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,291 Go, go, go! 610 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:29,625 - Police! 611 00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:31,291 When Rick would say, 612 00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:32,667 "Hey, the dope's coming to this house," 613 00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:34,041 the dope would come to that house. 614 00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:36,083 The police would make a raid, 615 00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:37,792 they would confiscate the drugs and money, 616 00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:38,959 and, uh, they would be successful. 617 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,542 Yeah I believe in one time- 618 00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:44,959 {\an8}in '85 I think it's- 619 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,333 eleven or thirteen in one day. 620 00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,083 You know, the whole business 621 00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:57,458 of operating informants, 622 00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:58,959 it's a cat and mouse game. 623 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,583 {\an8}And just because somebody has an informant 624 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,709 {\an8}designated as the handler for the informant, 625 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,500 doesn't preclude that informant 626 00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,500 from being utilized by other agencies, 627 00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:10,333 Such as the Detroit Police Department. 628 00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:14,083 Uh, we had DEA involved, the FBI involved. 629 00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:16,792 We had United States Customs, 630 00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:18,250 Michigan State Police, 631 00:25:18,291 --> 00:25:20,166 we had Detroit Police. 632 00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:22,250 That's actually what was going on. 633 00:25:22,291 --> 00:25:24,000 The Detroit Police Department officers 634 00:25:24,041 --> 00:25:26,500 were also using, uh, this kid 635 00:25:26,542 --> 00:25:28,041 in undercover capacity. 636 00:25:28,083 --> 00:25:31,000 Uh, using him to make buys, undercover buys. 637 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,917 He's going in unmarked police cars, 638 00:25:37,959 --> 00:25:39,667 uh, at night, with the police. 639 00:25:39,709 --> 00:25:41,333 {\an8}Driving around, identifying people 640 00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:43,583 {\an8}at certain clubs. 641 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,250 And he ain't getting home till three in the morning. 642 00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:53,667 And he's got to wake up at00 to go to school. 643 00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,083 I mean they weren't saying, "Oh, quit school." 644 00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:57,750 But they were saying- 645 00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,083 you know, "we need you to do this." 646 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,709 And I'd say "well I've got school tomorrow." 647 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,333 And they said "so what, we still" - 648 00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,375 you know, "go down to this club for us." 649 00:26:04,417 --> 00:26:07,208 "You're wasting too much time in Math class. 650 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:09,125 You need to be on the street for us, 651 00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:09,875 getting us information." 652 00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:18,166 At some point, 653 00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:20,375 as the fall progressed in 1984, 654 00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:22,792 {\an8}Johnny Curry was given information 655 00:26:22,834 --> 00:26:26,083 {\an8}that Rick Wershe was an informant. 656 00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:28,166 Rick Wershe was giving the Feds information 657 00:26:28,208 --> 00:26:29,917 and people were getting busted. 658 00:26:29,959 --> 00:26:32,333 So they knew somebody was, was leaking information, 659 00:26:32,375 --> 00:26:34,208 and they would have meetings, 660 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,208 talking about who the informant might be. 661 00:26:36,959 --> 00:26:38,875 There were a lot of people on the street 662 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,000 that believed that Johnny Curry ordered Rick Wershe's murder. 663 00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:45,041 {\an8}So I remember being at the home 664 00:26:45,083 --> 00:26:46,625 {\an8}that my boyfriend and I shared, 665 00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:47,959 {\an8}and he said, "Here comes your dad." 666 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,542 {\an8}And I said, "Tell him I'm not here." 667 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,959 And I was standing in the bedroom 668 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,667 listening to him talk to my dad at the front door 669 00:26:54,709 --> 00:26:56,166 and my dad said, 670 00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,500 "Tell her, her brother's been shot." 671 00:26:57,542 --> 00:26:58,625 And right then, I fell to the floor. 672 00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,250 I got in the car with my dad and we went to the hospital. 673 00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:05,709 {\an8}Rick was with a, uh, another Curry lieutenant, 674 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,333 who was a couple years older than him. 675 00:27:08,375 --> 00:27:10,834 We were in the house Approximately five minutes. 676 00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,917 We were both skipping school that day. 677 00:27:13,667 --> 00:27:15,125 He went upstairs. 678 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:16,333 And after a couple of minutes, 679 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,792 says, "Hey, Rick. Come over here. 680 00:27:17,834 --> 00:27:18,792 Come to the stairs." 681 00:27:19,625 --> 00:27:21,458 As soon as I hit the top of the stairs 682 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,667 he comes out of the bedroom, shoots me in the stomach. 683 00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,500 He was shot at close range 684 00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:27,709 {\an8}with a .357 magnum. 685 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:29,875 {\an8}Went in the front, out the back, 686 00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:32,625 {\an8}blew his large intestine in half. 687 00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:34,959 I believe I rolled down the stairs. 688 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,458 {\an8}I was asking them to call 911. He wouldn't call 911- 689 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:39,959 he was in a panic. 690 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,959 {\an8}By the grace of God his girlfriend walked in the house. 691 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,333 And she's the one that called 911. 692 00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:51,125 {\an8}The guy that shot me-his older brother and a friend of his were putting me in the car. 693 00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:55,333 {\an8}I don't know if they were going to take me to a hospital or take me somewhere and dump me. 694 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,834 {\an8}Finally an ambulance showed up and blocked them off and- 695 00:27:58,875 --> 00:28:00,959 {\an8}told them to give me to them and- 696 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,125 basically that ambulance ride saved my life. 697 00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:08,250 I had nothing to do with his getting shot. 698 00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:10,667 {\an8}If an agent said it or whoever said it, 699 00:28:10,709 --> 00:28:12,417 {\an8}a police officer, whoever said it, 700 00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:15,208 {\an8}they're way out of order, then. 701 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,917 Rick's family and the task force all arrived 702 00:28:18,959 --> 00:28:20,125 in the waiting room of the hospital. 703 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:21,834 {\an8}There's a physical altercation 704 00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:25,041 {\an8}between Richard and the FBI handlers. 705 00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,166 Richard blames them for getting his son shot 706 00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,834 and, at that time, thinking he might die. 707 00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:35,166 The task force were kind of huddled by the snack machines. 708 00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:39,291 They had realized that if he died, 709 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:41,291 the fact that they had been using a 14-year-old kid 710 00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:42,917 to infiltrate druggings 711 00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:44,375 was gonna come to the surface 712 00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:46,250 and it would be a scandal of all scandals. 713 00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:48,875 {\an8}The surgeon, Dr. Bowles, 714 00:28:48,917 --> 00:28:51,458 {\an8}that performed surgery and saved Rick's life 715 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:52,917 sat next to his bedside. 716 00:28:52,959 --> 00:28:54,917 {\an8}I believe it was for ten or twelve hours. 717 00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500 {\an8}Because he didn't think he was gonna make it. 718 00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,875 {\an8}But he did, thank god. 719 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,125 I really honestly believe this is a turning point. 720 00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:04,208 Because he could've pumped the brakes. 721 00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:06,000 He could've said, "You know what? This is crazy. 722 00:29:06,041 --> 00:29:08,083 We almost got this kid killed. 723 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,625 We need to stop everything right now 724 00:29:09,667 --> 00:29:12,166 and just do this, you know, by the book." 725 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:15,083 But, instead, 726 00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,041 members of that task force came with a conclusion 727 00:29:17,083 --> 00:29:19,583 this would increase his credibility. 728 00:29:20,458 --> 00:29:23,083 The police told me to say the shooting was an acident- 729 00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:25,542 because it was the best way to sweep it under the rug- 730 00:29:25,583 --> 00:29:28,917 and I could continue to work for them if I said it was an accident. 731 00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,625 We're gonna push it into high gear. 732 00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,750 We're gonna send him back in to the Curry gang 733 00:29:34,166 --> 00:29:36,083 and if there was any belief 734 00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:38,333 that he was an informant before, 735 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,208 that belief was gonna go out the window 736 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,750 because if he was a snitch, 737 00:29:41,792 --> 00:29:44,125 Johnny Curry would be in handcuffs right now. 738 00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,125 So, by the mere fact of him going back 739 00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,750 to his old neighborhood, 740 00:29:47,792 --> 00:29:50,333 it built up his reputation as a drug dealer, 741 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,792 uh, not an informant. 742 00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,041 It almost helped him in that regard. 743 00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,959 {\an8} During Rick's recovery, 744 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959 {\an8}Johnny Curry called him and, you know, said, 745 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 {\an8}"Where have you been? What's going on?" 746 00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,917 Eventually, Rick met him 747 00:30:00,959 --> 00:30:04,000 and was kinda like confronted him. 748 00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:05,083 {\an8}"You thought I was an informant. 749 00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:06,291 {\an8}You had me shot." 750 00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,458 And Johnny denied it. 751 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,333 {\an8}Now, he might've mentioned it. 752 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:10,542 {\an8}I don't know. 753 00:30:11,083 --> 00:30:12,625 I had nothing to do with it. 754 00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:14,375 But from that point forward, 755 00:30:14,417 --> 00:30:17,166 Rick was in tighter than ever. 756 00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:21,834 And we're live 757 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834 {\an8}from Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, Nevada. 758 00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:28,333 Where Top Rank presents World Championship Boxing. 759 00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,333 Johnny Curry and his entourage 760 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:33,875 {\an8}had gone to Las Vegas to the Hearns-Hagler fight. 761 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,542 {\an8}Fighting out of Detroit, Michigan... 762 00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:39,333 {\an8}Tommy Hearns who was Detroit's favorite son 763 00:30:39,375 --> 00:30:41,041 in the boxing game at that time, 764 00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,000 {\an8}was facing off against "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler. 765 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:46,250 And all of the major urban drug dealers of Detroit 766 00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:47,250 went to the fight. 767 00:30:49,375 --> 00:30:51,291 And this was the golden era of boxing. 768 00:30:51,333 --> 00:30:52,792 The Tommy Hearns- Marvin Hagler fight 769 00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:54,834 was all anybody was talking about in sports. 770 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,667 {\an8}Tommy Hearns grew up and socialized 771 00:30:56,709 --> 00:30:58,709 {\an8}with a lot of the black drug dealers in the era. 772 00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:00,792 {\an8}And the kind of joke was, 773 00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,834 last guy in Detroit turn off the lights. 774 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:08,458 {\an8}I was asked to go out there and- 775 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,834 {\an8}get information about some people that were- 776 00:31:10,875 --> 00:31:12,625 {\an8}involved in the drug trade- 777 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:14,834 {\an8}and their corrections and- 778 00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:17,000 {\an8}how the drugs were coming in and- 779 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,583 {\an8}just basically as much intel as I could from out there. 780 00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:22,333 {\an8}I was given a fake ID. 781 00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:26,166 {\an8}I was 15 at the time-the ID made me 21 years old. 782 00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,458 So, they gave him money, they gave him false ID, 783 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,667 and they set him up in a casino. 784 00:31:30,709 --> 00:31:32,750 This is insanity. 785 00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:36,125 There's an FBI report detailing that and it shows- 786 00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:37,709 I think they gave me- 787 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:39,583 like $1,500- 788 00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:42,583 on a receipt and then I think they gave me like another- 789 00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,709 thousand or 1,500 bucks for pocket money. 790 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:47,333 While they're at the fight, 791 00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,333 Johnny Curry and his entourage's reservations and fight tickets 792 00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:54,542 mysteriously disappear. 793 00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:57,333 Or maybe disappear is the wrong word. 794 00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:59,166 They never really existed to start. 795 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,250 {\an8}Johnny had reached out to a member of his crew 796 00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:04,375 {\an8}by a guy of a name of Leon Lucas 797 00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,625 {\an8}and him and Johnny had kinda gotten into a beef 798 00:32:06,667 --> 00:32:08,625 {\an8}over drugs and money 799 00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,834 that had been confiscated in a raid. 800 00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,917 Johnny Curry held him responsible 801 00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:15,625 for the drugs and money. 802 00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:17,375 {\an8}And Leon said, "Let me start 803 00:32:17,417 --> 00:32:18,917 {\an8}to try to make it up for you. 804 00:32:18,959 --> 00:32:21,500 {\an8}I will provide you hotel arrangements 805 00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:23,542 and tickets for the Hagler-Hearns fight. 806 00:32:23,583 --> 00:32:25,166 {\an8}Now, he assured Johnny Curry 807 00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:26,667 {\an8}that it would all be taken care of. 808 00:32:26,709 --> 00:32:29,250 {\an8}Well, when Curry and his posse got out there, 809 00:32:29,291 --> 00:32:31,500 nothing was handled, nothing was taken care of. 810 00:32:31,542 --> 00:32:34,625 And when he got back to Detroit, 811 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,333 some of his lieutenants 812 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:38,500 not at the direction of Johnny Curry himself, 813 00:32:38,542 --> 00:32:39,500 but some of his lieutenants 814 00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:44,750 went over to Leon Lucas' house in an effort to intimidate him. 815 00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:48,083 {\an8}What those individuals that went there decided to do 816 00:32:48,125 --> 00:32:51,542 {\an8}was to shoot the place up in a drive-by shooting. 817 00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,083 Unfortunately, for them, 818 00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:54,250 Leon Lucas isn't there. 819 00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:09,000 {\an8} And in the process, 820 00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,375 {\an8}Leon's nephew, Damion Lucas, who was 13-years old, 821 00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:12,542 {\an8}and was living with him, 822 00:33:12,583 --> 00:33:13,458 {\an8}was shot and killed. 823 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,458 {\an8}And this becomes a very hot topic 824 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,625 {\an8}in law enforcement. 825 00:33:18,667 --> 00:33:20,333 {\an8} On the news, 826 00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:21,709 "13-year-old Killed in Drive-by." 827 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:22,792 You know, I heard Johnny Curry, 828 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,333 uh, on wiretaps. 829 00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:27,417 {\an8}Uh, shortly after we got the authority to tap his phone. 830 00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:30,834 {\an8}And he was lamenting, whoever he was talking with, 831 00:33:30,875 --> 00:33:32,208 that, "You know, those guys 832 00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,041 shouldn't have gone over there. 833 00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:35,750 I told them don't go over there." 834 00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:37,750 He was sorry that this whole thing had taken place. 835 00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:40,083 Probably because it was bringing a lot of heat 836 00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:42,959 on him, uh, and his drug organization. 837 00:33:49,583 --> 00:33:52,667 {\an8}Rick Wershe comes back into play in this whole story. 838 00:33:52,709 --> 00:33:54,834 {\an8}And that Rick says 839 00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:57,166 he was, uh, listening in on a phone conversation 840 00:33:57,208 --> 00:33:59,333 over a speakerphone, 841 00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,291 and he heard Johnny Curry talking to Gil Hill. 842 00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:07,625 And that's when I found out that Gil Hill was responsible for covering up the kid's murder. 843 00:34:08,208 --> 00:34:11,250 Johnny placed a call to Gil, put it on speaker- 844 00:34:11,291 --> 00:34:14,041 we were riding around in Johnny's BMW. 845 00:34:14,083 --> 00:34:18,041 Basically Gil told him everything that was going on, and- 846 00:34:18,083 --> 00:34:21,250 you know-that he had it under control, and that he would be in touch- 847 00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:22,959 not to worry about anything. 848 00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,291 He had already been to meet with Gil and- 849 00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,792 he said he gave Gil ten grand to cover up the kid's murder. 850 00:34:29,834 --> 00:34:31,667 This information made him 851 00:34:31,709 --> 00:34:33,625 incredibly dangerous to a lot of people. 852 00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:36,542 {\an8}Johnny Curry told this to me 853 00:34:36,583 --> 00:34:38,542 {\an8}while he was incarcerated 854 00:34:38,583 --> 00:34:42,542 at the Texarkana Federal Correctional Facility 855 00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:44,667 in Texas. 856 00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,166 So, ultimately, what happened 857 00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:48,375 is the, uh, Detroit Police Department, 858 00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:50,667 under the direction of Gil Hill, 859 00:34:50,709 --> 00:34:53,417 {\an8}uh, framed, basically, an innocent man, LaKeas Davis. 860 00:34:54,291 --> 00:34:55,792 {\an8}I had information. 861 00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,583 Part of it was from Richard Wershe, Jr., 862 00:34:58,625 --> 00:35:02,041 {\an8}and part it was from the wiretaps that we had 863 00:35:02,083 --> 00:35:04,000 that strongly suggested 864 00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,917 that they had the wrong guy locked up. 865 00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:07,542 And he's facing a life term. 866 00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,083 Well, sometime he had tell us 867 00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,125 to put the gun in somebody's car. 868 00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:13,583 One of our enemies. 869 00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,500 And then he had the police pull up on them 870 00:35:15,542 --> 00:35:17,000 and said, "Wait, wait. 871 00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,166 {\an8}Is that a gun hanging out on your seat?" 872 00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,667 Well, the people don't know that we just slipped the gun 873 00:35:20,709 --> 00:35:21,500 in their car. 874 00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,709 Same way we did with a pot of drugs. 875 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,625 He used to tell us to set people up with drug bust too. 876 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,125 That's the way they get busses. 877 00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,291 {\an8}Subsequently, I was ordered 878 00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,125 {\an8}by my special agent in charge 879 00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:37,458 to gather all of the information that we had 880 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:39,709 with regards to the Damion Lucas murder 881 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:43,583 and take it directly to Chief Hart 882 00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,000 of the Detroit Police Department. 883 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,291 I did so and nothing ever occurred. 884 00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:57,792 To this day, it's still an open investigation. 885 00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:01,917 {\an8}In fact, LaKeas Davis remained in jail 886 00:36:01,959 --> 00:36:03,583 {\an8}was facing a trial. 887 00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,750 {\an8}And so I made sure Davis' defense attorney 888 00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,250 got the information that he needed 889 00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:09,792 to get him exonerated. 890 00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,834 {\an8}Ultimately, that resulted in me being subpoenaed 891 00:36:12,875 --> 00:36:14,583 {\an8}to state court. 892 00:36:14,625 --> 00:36:16,583 {\an8}And where demands were met on me 893 00:36:16,625 --> 00:36:18,542 {\an8}to reveal the source of the information. 894 00:36:19,208 --> 00:36:20,709 Well, it became very touch-and-go 895 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:23,583 {\an8}because there would be extreme retaliation 896 00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,458 {\an8}against the Wershe family. 897 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,500 And so I refused to do it. 898 00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,917 And, um, I was threatened with contempt of court. 899 00:36:29,959 --> 00:36:33,291 Ultimately, they dismissed the case against LaKeas Davis 900 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,917 and they freed him at that point. 901 00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:37,500 And Gil Hill was investigated 902 00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:39,750 for his role in taking a possible payoff 903 00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,959 and possibly burying these charges. 904 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,959 He was never charged. 905 00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,208 And when Gil Hill ran for mayor, this case came up 906 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,625 and was a detriment to his campaign. 907 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,041 {\an8}At that point, I didn't realize to, uh, what extent 908 00:36:55,083 --> 00:36:56,792 {\an8}the corruption had spread 909 00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:58,083 {\an8}throughout the police department. 910 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,583 When we did the raid on Cathy Volsan-Curry's house 911 00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:05,500 which was in June of 1987, 912 00:37:06,083 --> 00:37:09,625 {\an8}we found a laminated card exactly like this one, 913 00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:13,291 {\an8}holding the personal and confidential information 914 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,250 from Gil Hill and Jimmy Harris 915 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:17,291 which ended up being 916 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,834 the beginning of all the rumors 917 00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:21,333 that we had heard 918 00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,125 with regards to the funneling of information 919 00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:26,500 from the Detroit Police Department 920 00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:28,667 to the Curry organization. 921 00:37:28,709 --> 00:37:31,709 So was that uncommon for Cathy to have that kind of access? 922 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:34,792 She had access to anything she wanted. 923 00:37:34,834 --> 00:37:35,709 Like what? 924 00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:38,834 Police reports, surveillance reports, 925 00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,667 whatever you wanted. 926 00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:41,750 On Johnny? 927 00:37:42,709 --> 00:37:44,542 Johnny, myself, 928 00:37:45,166 --> 00:37:47,625 other people who needed this stuff. 929 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,250 {\an8}So, if she said to Sgt. Jimmy Harris, 930 00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:53,667 {\an8}"I need to know what the narcotics cops are doing 931 00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,834 {\an8}on Rick, on Johnny, on anybody else," 932 00:37:57,875 --> 00:37:59,333 he would flip them to her? 933 00:37:59,959 --> 00:38:01,208 No problem. 934 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,250 {\an8}The matter of the Damion Lucas murder 935 00:38:05,291 --> 00:38:06,333 was never resolved. 936 00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:07,834 I knew who did it 937 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,458 and, but, uh, proving it is something else. 938 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,500 Truthfully I wish I never woulda got roped into the Damion Lucas thing, because- 939 00:38:16,542 --> 00:38:20,583 I didn't know 30 years later it would still be affecting my life. 940 00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:30,458 {\an8}Well, I was, uh, told to kill White Boy Rick. 941 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,000 {\an8}We heard that he was telling. 942 00:38:33,709 --> 00:38:35,917 So, they say, "We gotta kill that white boy." 943 00:38:35,959 --> 00:38:37,166 My career is finished. 944 00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,792 But I promise you, I won't go down alone. 945 00:38:40,834 --> 00:38:42,250 I know after he did, uh, 946 00:38:42,291 --> 00:38:44,000 Beverly Hill Cops and all that, 947 00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:45,709 he was trying to stay away from everybody. 948 00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:50,041 But he would meet you somewhere as long as he feel he was safe. 949 00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:54,500 Like he would meet you out at The Island in Waterfront. 950 00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:56,208 But, yeah, uh... 951 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,667 He said that basically, he wants us to make sure 952 00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:01,625 that we kill White Boy Rick. 953 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,166 Make sure that boy is dead. 954 00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,041 But we gotta make sure that it don't lead back to no one. 955 00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,333 I said, "Well, you know me. 956 00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:12,333 All my hits don't lead back to no one." 957 00:39:16,667 --> 00:39:18,917 Rick had got in deeper 958 00:39:18,959 --> 00:39:20,959 and had risen higher 959 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,709 than anyone ever thought he could. 960 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,583 At some point these guys said- 961 00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:28,000 sooner or later something's going to go bad- 962 00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,166 and we're going to be held accountable. 963 00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:31,709 They don't debrief him. 964 00:39:32,125 --> 00:39:34,917 They don't send him to a boarding school 965 00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:36,834 where he can get over 966 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,000 what they've just subjected him to. 967 00:39:39,041 --> 00:39:41,458 They turn him loose on the streets. 968 00:39:41,792 --> 00:39:44,291 It wasn't like they ever said- 969 00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,417 "Rick, stop selling drugs." 970 00:39:46,458 --> 00:39:48,417 "Rick, stop buying drugs." 971 00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:50,792 One day they just never called again- 972 00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,250 and that's how we broke ties. 973 00:39:52,291 --> 00:39:53,959 {\an8}He wasn't gonna go back to school. 974 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,959 {\an8}He knew the drug trade. 975 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,625 {\an8}So, he became a drug dealer. 976 00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,125 I became addicted to the lifestyle. 977 00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:01,959 I became addicted to the money. 978 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 I became addicted to the women. 979 00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:05,291 I became addicted to that life. 980 00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,000 The only difference was, 981 00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:09,166 you know, he wasn't getting a government stipend. 982 00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:12,917 They had gleaned enough information and intelligence 983 00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:14,959 from him regarding the Curry gang 984 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,333 that the indictment was on the horizon. 985 00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,500 The indictment would drop within a couple months. 986 00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:24,500 Rick will tell you that 987 00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:28,875 it wasn't the smartest thing to do, to date the wife 988 00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:31,291 of a man you put in prison or help put in prison. 989 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:32,625 Uh, but it happened. 990 00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:33,917 {\an8}I still wouldn't hold nothing against that. 991 00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:36,333 {\an8}She was getting high. What can you say, so... 992 00:40:37,375 --> 00:40:40,750 I was a 17 year old kid-I was having fun. 993 00:40:40,792 --> 00:40:43,083 To be honest, dating her back then was like- 994 00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:45,000 dating a movie star or something. 995 00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,667 I remember one time, back in those days, 996 00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:50,208 I had a '63 black Corvette convertible 997 00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:51,792 with red interior. 998 00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,583 And I'm driving it downtown. 999 00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,792 Who comes driving by? 1000 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:57,250 Rick Wershe and his friends. 1001 00:40:57,291 --> 00:40:59,166 And I forget what kind of car 1002 00:40:59,208 --> 00:41:00,291 but it was relatively new and nice. 1003 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,875 "Hey, Chris. What's going on?" 1004 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:02,792 - You speed off. 1005 00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,208 He was enjoying the celebrity moment. 1006 00:41:06,875 --> 00:41:08,917 He was a kid. 1007 00:41:08,959 --> 00:41:10,959 And he was famous for all the wrong reasons 1008 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,333 but he was living the life. 1009 00:41:13,625 --> 00:41:14,959 {\an8}But I knew that was White Boy Rick's ride. 1010 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,083 So we followed him. 1011 00:41:18,125 --> 00:41:20,250 I speeded up trying to get to him. 1012 00:41:20,291 --> 00:41:24,417 Me and Roy were sitting at a stoplight in a car- 1013 00:41:24,458 --> 00:41:28,542 and I happened to look over my shoulder and I seen a van pulling up. 1014 00:41:28,583 --> 00:41:30,542 And I saw the door sliding- 1015 00:41:30,583 --> 00:41:32,250 it was like cracked open. 1016 00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,875 And I told Roy, I said, "Roy, run the light!" 1017 00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,917 We stopped. That side door pulled open. 1018 00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:38,291 Who's siting in the chair? 1019 00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,000 "Man, hand me another gun," I said. 1020 00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:44,500 I think we better reach up in the... 1021 00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,875 By that time, they had speeded off. 1022 00:41:46,917 --> 00:41:49,875 I mean they got shots off-the car was hit. 1023 00:41:49,917 --> 00:41:51,917 That's the only reason why he was still alive. 1024 00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:53,875 That MAC jammed on us. 1025 00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:57,709 I had friends that were murdered. 1026 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,417 To be honest, you're a kid and you don't realize- 1027 00:42:01,458 --> 00:42:03,291 everyday that you were playing with fire- 1028 00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:06,834 that you could walk out your door one day and your life would be over. 1029 00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,709 And in that period of time, 1030 00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,041 he became what is known as a "wait man." 1031 00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,375 As a wait man, he had a line of credit 1032 00:42:25,417 --> 00:42:28,834 with some drug importers in Miami. 1033 00:42:29,458 --> 00:42:31,750 He brought a lot of drugs into Detroit 1034 00:42:31,792 --> 00:42:33,125 in a very short period of time. 1035 00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:34,417 He was not a drug dealer for very long, 1036 00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:38,166 but he was nowhere near the big-time drug dealers. 1037 00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:40,291 From a scale to one to ten, 1038 00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,875 {\an8}I'm a ten, I'd say he was about a two. 1039 00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:44,959 Rick was nowhere near me. 1040 00:42:45,625 --> 00:42:48,417 Guys like the Chambers or guys like the Currys 1041 00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:52,542 they controlled whole sections of the city. 1042 00:42:53,083 --> 00:42:55,125 Rick didn't control anything. 1043 00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:56,959 {\an8}I used to say, "Where did they... 1044 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,083 {\an8}Where is they getting this stuff from? 1045 00:42:59,125 --> 00:43:01,500 I guess this Chris Hansen guy. I don't know." 1046 00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:04,166 I never set out to make Rick look like 1047 00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:05,917 a bigger drug dealer than he was. 1048 00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:08,542 Were there some exaggerations? 1049 00:43:08,583 --> 00:43:09,875 Perhaps. 1050 00:43:09,917 --> 00:43:11,000 There were seeds of truth 1051 00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:13,208 to what they were saying. 1052 00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:15,792 He was socializing with all of the major players, 1053 00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:18,834 so it was hard for the media to divorce that. 1054 00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:21,166 {\an8}You know, whether he was a drug kingpin, 1055 00:43:21,208 --> 00:43:24,834 {\an8}a drug lord, a drug prince, a drug prodigy, 1056 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,959 {\an8}he was a 17-year-old kid dealing multi-kilos of dope 1057 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000 and very few adults do that. 1058 00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:33,041 {\an8}Rick couldn't deal with a lot of guys... 1059 00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:35,083 {\an8}A lot of people that I've dealt with, 1060 00:43:35,125 --> 00:43:36,834 Rick couldn't even see them. 1061 00:43:36,875 --> 00:43:38,250 {\an8}Johnny and his brother, 1062 00:43:38,291 --> 00:43:39,959 {\an8}and his people, they were grown men. 1063 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000 {\an8}These are grown men. 1064 00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:43,291 And this was a kid. That's the difference. 1065 00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:45,250 A 17-year-old white kid? 1066 00:43:45,291 --> 00:43:46,709 It was impossible for him to have been 1067 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,208 what people have pretended that he was. 1068 00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:51,792 It wasn't like I went out and said- 1069 00:43:51,834 --> 00:43:54,417 I want to become this big drug dealer and- 1070 00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,291 want everyone in the state of Michigan to know me. 1071 00:43:57,333 --> 00:44:00,250 I was led down this path by law enforcement. 1072 00:44:00,291 --> 00:44:03,041 I think about every day if I would have walked away. 1073 00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,417 I was a kid. I was stupid. 1074 00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:07,875 So, when you look at it at the end of the day, 1075 00:44:07,917 --> 00:44:09,834 you know, law enforcement 1076 00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:12,166 created, almost a perfect criminal. 1077 00:44:12,208 --> 00:44:14,834 And law enforcement created the perfect persona, 1078 00:44:14,875 --> 00:44:16,625 a perfect character for the local news, 1079 00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:18,417 for the local media, and they ate it up. 1080 00:44:19,208 --> 00:44:20,417 I covered it a lot. 1081 00:44:21,917 --> 00:44:23,417 Rick will say I had him on TV every day. 1082 00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:24,792 Obviously, that's not true. 1083 00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,750 He's just saying that to make a point. 1084 00:44:26,792 --> 00:44:27,917 They convicted me through the media, 1085 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,959 through the papers. 1086 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,875 I was the public enemy number one 1087 00:44:31,917 --> 00:44:35,709 and they said stuff that was totally untrue. 1088 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,500 Were there stories about him ordering hits on people 1089 00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:40,166 that weren't true floating around? 1090 00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:41,709 Absolutely. I heard them. 1091 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:43,166 But they never prosecuted him for it. 1092 00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:46,375 {\an8}My grandfather who was a judge in Detroit 1093 00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,166 {\an8}at the time of Mr. Wershe's case 1094 00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,166 had presided over his case for a brief period of time. 1095 00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:54,917 And he calls him, "Worse than a mass murderer," 1096 00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:57,125 and gave him a one-million-dollar bond. 1097 00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:59,959 It was the highest bond my grandfather had ever set 1098 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,250 for any defendant. 1099 00:45:01,291 --> 00:45:02,625 If you have so much evidence 1100 00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,000 that he's been involved in a drug hit, 1101 00:45:05,041 --> 00:45:06,041 bring a case. 1102 00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,333 If not, rumors don't count in court. 1103 00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:11,959 On May 23rd, 1987, 1104 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,208 Rick Wershe and a man named Roy Grissom 1105 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:17,792 were arrested driving down Hampshire near Dickerson. 1106 00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:19,291 It ended with his arrest 1107 00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:21,625 which is kind of an interesting story 1108 00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,959 {\an8}because it was probably a setup. 1109 00:45:24,917 --> 00:45:27,125 Rick, at this point, has hooked up 1110 00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:30,083 {\an8}with two Colombian wholesale cocaine dealers 1111 00:45:30,125 --> 00:45:31,917 in Miami. 1112 00:45:31,959 --> 00:45:36,291 They would send kilos up to Detroit in trailers. 1113 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:40,208 He got a shipment. I believe, it was an 18-kilo shipment. 1114 00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:44,125 They drop off ten kilos of cocaine to a customer 1115 00:45:44,166 --> 00:45:47,250 and they have a pile of cash in the car. 1116 00:45:47,291 --> 00:45:49,667 And they passed a police car 1117 00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,875 that was just, um, routine traffic duty. 1118 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,792 And I believe he actually waved at the police officer 1119 00:45:55,834 --> 00:45:56,792 because he knew him. 1120 00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:00,417 They're driving home. They get pulled over. 1121 00:46:00,458 --> 00:46:01,542 Allegedly for going through a stop sign. 1122 00:46:01,583 --> 00:46:03,500 At this point, 1123 00:46:03,542 --> 00:46:05,250 there's a bunch of people on the porch 1124 00:46:05,291 --> 00:46:07,166 including Rick's sister, Dawn. 1125 00:46:07,208 --> 00:46:09,583 {\an8}And we watched it all unfold. 1126 00:46:09,625 --> 00:46:11,834 He said, "Okay, guys, what's going on?" 1127 00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,375 And they said, "You're under arrest." 1128 00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:15,291 And he said, "For what?" 1129 00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:17,041 And they said, "Possession of drugs." 1130 00:46:17,083 --> 00:46:19,333 And he told them, "I don't have any drugs." 1131 00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,417 And they said they were in the car. 1132 00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:22,208 He said, "Search it." 1133 00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:26,166 {\an8}One of the police officers reaches into the back of the car 1134 00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:28,166 {\an8}and pulls out a bag with the cash. 1135 00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:32,083 {\an8}So my dad ran out there and grabbed the bag of money. 1136 00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:34,750 Officers say a tussle started. 1137 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,875 A fight almost between Wershe, Grissom, and the officers. 1138 00:46:38,917 --> 00:46:41,291 Investigators say that Wershe took off running. 1139 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,333 About 25 minutes, a half-hour later, 1140 00:46:44,375 --> 00:46:46,083 the police find him 1141 00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:47,750 and they roughed him up pretty good. 1142 00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:49,583 To the point where he had to go to the hospital. 1143 00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,375 So, the next three or four hours, 1144 00:46:51,417 --> 00:46:52,583 the police are combing the neighborhood 1145 00:46:52,625 --> 00:46:53,875 looking for drugs. 1146 00:46:53,917 --> 00:46:55,667 They got an anonymous tip. 1147 00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:57,250 Later, more police arrived 1148 00:46:57,291 --> 00:46:59,041 and eventually they found 1149 00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,917 a box containing eight kilos of cocaine 1150 00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:02,208 under this back porch, a block away 1151 00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:03,250 from the traffic stop. 1152 00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:09,542 I was responsible for those drugs. I had to pay the people in Miami for those drugs. 1153 00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:11,250 Rick believes that it was a setup. 1154 00:47:11,291 --> 00:47:12,250 That they were watching him 1155 00:47:14,375 --> 00:47:15,834 and they knew he would have drugs or money. 1156 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,458 And they say that when he ran out of the car, 1157 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,291 {\an8}he hid the cocaine underneath a porch 1158 00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,208 {\an8}and continued to run away. 1159 00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,166 And he's charged with that crime. 1160 00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:26,166 The attorney that was representing him at the time 1161 00:47:26,208 --> 00:47:29,291 was an attorney by the name of William Bufalino. 1162 00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,417 And he brought motions to suppress the evidence. 1163 00:47:33,875 --> 00:47:35,542 Shortly thereafter, 1164 00:47:35,583 --> 00:47:38,125 Coleman Young's niece told Rick, 1165 00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:40,166 "Everything will be okay 1166 00:47:40,208 --> 00:47:41,917 but you need to get different attorneys." 1167 00:47:41,959 --> 00:47:43,291 They decided that they needed 1168 00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:45,291 an African-American attorney. 1169 00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:46,834 And that it would look better to the jury. 1170 00:47:48,542 --> 00:47:50,417 {\an8}"Hire Ed Bell and Sam Gardner 1171 00:47:50,458 --> 00:47:52,667 {\an8}and everything will be okay." 1172 00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,458 {\an8}When they went forward, they changed their strategy. 1173 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,625 They, they decided not to heavily pursue the idea 1174 00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,208 that these drugs where not Rick's. 1175 00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:01,250 Fatal mistake. 1176 00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:06,709 Sam Gardner was Coleman Young's lawyer at the time, and- 1177 00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,750 the only reason they were brought in- 1178 00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:09,875 was to watch me. 1179 00:48:09,917 --> 00:48:11,583 It wasn't to help me. 1180 00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:14,333 Basically, every time I went to see him, he just told me, 1181 00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,333 "I had nothing to worry about. Things were looking good." 1182 00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,333 I was told at one time that I wouldn't go to trial. 1183 00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,583 He didn't think that we would go to trial. 1184 00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:24,291 Before they went to trial, 1185 00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:26,250 his trial attorneys agreed 1186 00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:29,458 to withdraw all the pretrial motions. 1187 00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,166 They agreed not to admit any evidence 1188 00:48:33,208 --> 00:48:34,625 in front of the jury 1189 00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:36,709 that he had been working for the government 1190 00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:37,917 since he was 14. 1191 00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:40,333 So, the jury never heard that. 1192 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,917 Basically I think the fix was in- 1193 00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:46,792 and Coleman didn't want me on the streets anymore. 1194 00:48:46,834 --> 00:48:48,917 So them being my attorneys- 1195 00:48:48,959 --> 00:48:50,917 I think they tanked the case. 1196 00:48:50,959 --> 00:48:52,667 I think it was like a whirlwind 1197 00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,959 that just kind of swept them up. 1198 00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291 'Cause the phone conversation I remember having with him, 1199 00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,000 he was kind of baffled by his notoriety. 1200 00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,291 And then that time when I saw him, 1201 00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,625 you know, he's waiting on his jury 1202 00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,417 and all these assholes are around him. 1203 00:49:04,458 --> 00:49:06,166 All of them wanted him to be convicted 1204 00:49:06,208 --> 00:49:07,542 I'm sure, that's why they showed up. 1205 00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:09,875 {\an8}Rick took the nickname and ran with it. 1206 00:49:09,917 --> 00:49:12,500 {\an8}I mean, he didn't have to wear the fur coats. 1207 00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,125 He didn't have to show up to trial 1208 00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:16,000 with a whole crew of little kids 1209 00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:18,291 wearing beepers and gold chains. 1210 00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:21,208 He came to court like a drug dealer. 1211 00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:23,458 I said, "Rick, if those jurors see all these little crooks 1212 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,875 running around with you, you're dead." 1213 00:49:24,917 --> 00:49:26,875 {\an8}We was told to show up down there 1214 00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:29,375 {\an8}with our expensive cars, jewelry, 1215 00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,583 and just get in front of the news. 1216 00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:34,458 These all his workers. Kingpin is on trial. 1217 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,583 Drug lord is on trial. 1218 00:49:36,625 --> 00:49:39,291 And his friends down here trying to free him. 1219 00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:41,750 Of course, it hurt him. There's no doubt about it, it hurt him. 1220 00:49:41,792 --> 00:49:44,500 Same police officers paid us to do that. 1221 00:49:45,458 --> 00:49:46,750 Ain't nobody ever 1222 00:49:46,792 --> 00:49:48,750 heard of him being no drug lord 1223 00:49:48,792 --> 00:49:50,792 until they print that shit in the paper. 1224 00:49:50,834 --> 00:49:53,583 Where the hell was he a kingpin of? 1225 00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:55,041 Us blacks? 1226 00:49:55,083 --> 00:49:56,542 Oh, hell no. 1227 00:49:56,583 --> 00:49:58,625 We made it seem like that, but he wasn't. 1228 00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,125 {\an8}They had this newspaper article where they actually listed him 1229 00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:04,083 as the leader of the Best Friends gang. 1230 00:50:04,125 --> 00:50:06,000 Which is crazy, you know. 1231 00:50:06,041 --> 00:50:07,083 Best Friends were like this hit gang 1232 00:50:07,125 --> 00:50:08,458 that had over a hundred murders. 1233 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,458 It's just incredible and crazy. 1234 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:12,583 We had to rely on law enforcement. 1235 00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542 We saw the documents. We saw them firsthand. 1236 00:50:15,166 --> 00:50:18,375 {\an8}They were shared with us and we did our best to vet them. 1237 00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:20,625 But we were certainly not making stuff up 1238 00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:22,250 or fabricating. 1239 00:50:22,291 --> 00:50:24,417 There was enough going on to keep us all busy 1240 00:50:24,458 --> 00:50:25,875 with crazy-enough stories. 1241 00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,500 You had characters like Maserati Rick 1242 00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:31,083 who survived an assassination attempt 1243 00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:33,667 and then was murdered in his hospital bed. 1244 00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:35,625 And in the nightstand was a pistol 1245 00:50:35,667 --> 00:50:37,709 and a crucifix and, uh, rosary beads. 1246 00:50:38,125 --> 00:50:40,792 He was buried in a Mercedes-Benz coffin. 1247 00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:42,500 So you didn't have to make stuff up. 1248 00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:45,417 But that's how the cops had it set up. 1249 00:50:46,208 --> 00:50:49,291 And that's how they listed him and that's how we reported it. 1250 00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,583 And that's how we sourced it in the story 1251 00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:53,583 and the graphic illustrations, 1252 00:50:53,625 --> 00:50:55,667 that this was based on law enforcement documents 1253 00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:56,750 and sources. 1254 00:50:56,792 --> 00:50:58,709 It was a political move. 1255 00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:01,125 That's why they could put him away forever. 1256 00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:08,250 Nate was showing up down there-which we saw Nate there-to try and do some harm to me. 1257 00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:10,333 I was trying to shoot him out at the courthouse. 1258 00:51:10,375 --> 00:51:12,500 We had the van already parked up on Gratiot. 1259 00:51:13,125 --> 00:51:15,959 I already had the scope and everything scoped in, 1260 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,458 but, at that point, they walked him underneath 1261 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,333 into the courthouse. 1262 00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:22,875 "What do you mean he in the courtroom?" 1263 00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:24,709 They said, "Yeah, he in the courtroom." 1264 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,083 Of course we were a little more careful and- 1265 00:51:27,125 --> 00:51:30,792 when we left the courthouse, or where we parked the car, or whatever. 1266 00:51:30,834 --> 00:51:33,583 He wasn't there to wish me well at trial. 1267 00:51:33,625 --> 00:51:35,542 And he was convicted 1268 00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,542 and, after that, it was easy. 1269 00:51:38,291 --> 00:51:40,250 You're going to jail. 1270 00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:41,458 You're never gonna see the light of day. 1271 00:51:47,375 --> 00:51:50,166 This operation was called Operation Backbone. 1272 00:51:50,208 --> 00:51:51,583 The reason I named it Backbone, 1273 00:51:52,083 --> 00:51:53,208 {\an8}I figured you need some backbone 1274 00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:55,250 {\an8}to work this case, you know. 1275 00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:56,458 At that time, it was the most significant 1276 00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,208 police corruption investigation 1277 00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:59,667 in the state of Michigan. 1278 00:51:59,709 --> 00:52:01,041 The objective was 1279 00:52:01,083 --> 00:52:03,000 I knew through the Curry investigation 1280 00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,750 {\an8}and the Damion Lucas homicide 1281 00:52:05,792 --> 00:52:08,625 {\an8}that that investigation was partly compromised. 1282 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,250 And I knew that there were corrupt police officers 1283 00:52:10,291 --> 00:52:11,333 involved in this thing. 1284 00:52:11,375 --> 00:52:12,709 So, that was the objective, 1285 00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:13,875 to get these corrupt cops. 1286 00:52:15,583 --> 00:52:16,875 And he called out of the blue 1287 00:52:16,917 --> 00:52:18,750 and I said, "What's going on, Rick?" 1288 00:52:18,792 --> 00:52:23,792 He said, "Well, the FBI is here and they want me to help them. 1289 00:52:23,834 --> 00:52:25,583 They have said that they will help me 1290 00:52:25,625 --> 00:52:27,250 if I help them." 1291 00:52:27,291 --> 00:52:29,583 "But if you cooperate on this undercover project 1292 00:52:29,625 --> 00:52:31,083 and everything works fine, 1293 00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:32,625 {\an8}the best I can do is, 1294 00:52:32,667 --> 00:52:34,834 {\an8}maybe, take you out of the state custody 1295 00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:37,291 and put you in the Federal Witness Protection Program 1296 00:52:37,333 --> 00:52:39,959 in a federal facility with other informants. 1297 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,834 And it might just be a better situation. 1298 00:52:41,875 --> 00:52:45,166 And if you ever become eligible for parole, 1299 00:52:45,208 --> 00:52:46,834 I'll come back and testify for you. 1300 00:52:46,875 --> 00:52:48,291 I'll tell them what you did." 1301 00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:49,917 He said, "You know what?" 1302 00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:52,834 We shook hands and that was the agreement we made. 1303 00:52:52,875 --> 00:52:55,917 And the Feds, during that time, were chasing Coleman Young hard. 1304 00:52:55,959 --> 00:52:58,166 They wanted to bring down the mayor of Detroit. 1305 00:52:58,208 --> 00:53:02,166 The FBI wanted to use my relationship with Cathy- 1306 00:53:02,208 --> 00:53:03,750 to target the mayor- 1307 00:53:03,792 --> 00:53:07,000 as well as police corruption within the city of Detroit. 1308 00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,834 They were targetting Willie Volson. 1309 00:53:08,875 --> 00:53:11,375 He was married to the mayor's sister. 1310 00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,542 He was Cathy's father of course and- 1311 00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,667 everyone knew that Willie had pull- 1312 00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:17,959 throughout the city of Detroit. 1313 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,083 The other target of operation was Jimmy Harris. 1314 00:53:21,125 --> 00:53:24,458 He was a high ranking Detroit police official. 1315 00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,041 He did whatever mayor Young told him to do. 1316 00:53:27,083 --> 00:53:30,875 He covered up the thinks that the mayor's family did. 1317 00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:32,792 To my knowledge, for the right price- 1318 00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125 they were willing to protect drug shipments- 1319 00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:37,000 from anywhere, I mean- 1320 00:53:37,041 --> 00:53:40,208 if it was in the city of Detroit and they could make a buck off of it- 1321 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,875 they were willing to provide that police protection. 1322 00:53:42,917 --> 00:53:45,750 So, I got Rick Wershe's sister, Dawn, 1323 00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:47,375 to cooperate with me as well. 1324 00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:49,375 And she had a relationship with Cathy. 1325 00:53:49,417 --> 00:53:52,500 {\an8}I had an agent by the name of Mike Castro 1326 00:53:52,542 --> 00:53:54,542 {\an8}who had served extensively in the Caribbean 1327 00:53:54,583 --> 00:53:56,500 {\an8}and knew the Caribbean pretty well. 1328 00:53:56,542 --> 00:54:00,000 I introduced Mike Castro-who was the undercover FBI agent- 1329 00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:04,792 to Cathy. He posed as my supplier from Miami. 1330 00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:08,583 And me knowing Cathy and her family-how greedy they were- 1331 00:54:08,625 --> 00:54:11,125 I knew Cathy would cut into him- 1332 00:54:11,166 --> 00:54:12,500 and that's exactly what happened. 1333 00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:15,417 We arranged a dinner with Wershe's sister, 1334 00:54:15,458 --> 00:54:18,041 Cathy Volsan-Curry, and Mike Castro. 1335 00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,750 Which I attended, but I was off to the side 1336 00:54:20,792 --> 00:54:22,125 and it was recorded. 1337 00:54:22,166 --> 00:54:24,291 {\an8}So, during that conversation, 1338 00:54:24,333 --> 00:54:27,458 {\an8}uh, Cathy was just enamored 1339 00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,500 {\an8}with the prospect of getting back 1340 00:54:29,542 --> 00:54:31,709 into the cocaine business and so forth. 1341 00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:33,458 Uh, her eyes lit up. 1342 00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,625 And at that point, she offered her police assistance. 1343 00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:39,959 So basically we're businessmen- 1344 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,917 we're in the drug business. 1345 00:54:40,959 --> 00:54:42,500 We invited Willie Volsan 1346 00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,625 and James Harris down to Florida. 1347 00:54:44,667 --> 00:54:46,625 Had an undercover yacht. 1348 00:54:46,667 --> 00:54:47,750 Sat down there, and on videotape, 1349 00:54:47,792 --> 00:54:49,458 and negotiated the deal. 1350 00:54:51,041 --> 00:54:51,875 We'd like to- 1351 00:54:51,917 --> 00:54:53,792 fly something in. 1352 00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,875 We're going to look like businessmen delivering packages. Okay. 1353 00:54:55,917 --> 00:54:58,667 - Only us and you will know it's drugs. 1354 00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:59,917 No one else is going to know anything. 1355 00:54:59,959 --> 00:55:01,083 Okay. 1356 00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,291 We're going to probably- 1357 00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,250 ship up in the plane around 100 keys. 1358 00:55:05,291 --> 00:55:06,750 - You provide protection- 1359 00:55:06,792 --> 00:55:08,667 and protection from the police. 1360 00:55:08,709 --> 00:55:10,125 Think you can handle that? 1361 00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,500 What you're talking about is no problem. 1362 00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,417 Right. 1363 00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:14,959 I've got three Detroit police officers myself-it's cool. 1364 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,166 Okay. Alright. 1365 00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:17,208 These people have been with me. 1366 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,583 You can trust them. 1367 00:55:18,625 --> 00:55:20,834 We'll have out equipment, our van or whatever- 1368 00:55:20,875 --> 00:55:22,834 load it up. 1369 00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,291 Just like the money laundering operation-you escort us away from the airport- 1370 00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:26,417 out on the highway and- 1371 00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:27,792 sayonara! 1372 00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:30,291 - For a successful mission and a- 1373 00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:32,083 a good escape and all of that- 1374 00:55:32,125 --> 00:55:33,709 40-50 grand? 1375 00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:35,250 So do we got a deal? 1376 00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:37,250 Yep. We go. We go. 1377 00:55:37,291 --> 00:55:39,125 Partners in crime brother! - Here we go. 1378 00:55:39,166 --> 00:55:40,166 Willie and Cathy 1379 00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,417 along with Detroit Police Sergeant Jimmy Harris 1380 00:55:44,458 --> 00:55:46,458 were charged last month in an FBI corruption case 1381 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,125 alleging that police officers took payoffs 1382 00:55:48,166 --> 00:55:50,083 to protect drug and drug money shipments 1383 00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,583 coming into the city in Metro Airport. 1384 00:55:52,625 --> 00:55:56,959 Any other mayor would have been glad to have corruption out of their police department. 1385 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000 Unless your brother-in-law is the head of the corruption. 1386 00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:02,875 And then this guy goes on to call me a stool pigeon. 1387 00:56:02,917 --> 00:56:05,083 That's like an old gangster term for a rat. 1388 00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:06,583 Did that put your life in danger, 1389 00:56:06,625 --> 00:56:08,625 having Coleman Young call you a stool pigeon? 1390 00:56:08,667 --> 00:56:10,792 Oh, there's no doubt about it. 1391 00:56:10,834 --> 00:56:12,458 Eighteen 1392 00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,000 corrupt police officers and politicians, 1393 00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,000 as a result of Wershe's direct involvement 1394 00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:17,917 in this thing, went to prison. 1395 00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:19,792 And without White Boy Rick 1396 00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:21,458 or Richard Wershe, Jr. 1397 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:23,542 it's I think he'd prefer to be called at this point, 1398 00:56:23,583 --> 00:56:25,125 that never would have happened. 1399 00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:26,875 And they haven't even scratched the surface. 1400 00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:29,667 The corruption runs so deep in there it's... 1401 00:56:30,208 --> 00:56:31,792 It's insane, man. 1402 00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:33,959 During the FBI investigation, 1403 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,375 Hill met with Harris, a longtime friend, Volsan, 1404 00:56:36,417 --> 00:56:39,083 and the undercover agent posing as the drug dealer. 1405 00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,000 Willie would, uh, constantly brag 1406 00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,583 about his relationship with Gil Hill. 1407 00:56:44,166 --> 00:56:45,917 And so, toward the end of the operation, 1408 00:56:45,959 --> 00:56:48,000 we wanted to see 1409 00:56:48,041 --> 00:56:50,041 if he'd actually set up an introduction to Gil Hill, 1410 00:56:50,083 --> 00:56:51,125 and he did. 1411 00:56:51,166 --> 00:56:53,166 {\an8}We got a wiretap authority 1412 00:56:53,208 --> 00:56:56,709 {\an8}to install wiretaps inside of Willie Volsan's car. 1413 00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,834 And we arranged it for both undercover agents 1414 00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:02,834 to meet with Gil Hill and Willie Volsan, 1415 00:57:02,875 --> 00:57:03,917 and that happened. 1416 00:57:04,583 --> 00:57:06,917 During that conversation, 1417 00:57:06,959 --> 00:57:09,333 Mike Castro let it be known that he was a money launderer 1418 00:57:09,375 --> 00:57:10,834 and they were drug dealers. 1419 00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:12,083 Uh, that plainly. 1420 00:57:12,583 --> 00:57:14,333 It was my thought 1421 00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,291 that, uh, if Gil Hill wanted to get up 1422 00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,208 and run out of that meeting, so be it. 1423 00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:20,166 He's an innocent guy. But if he stayed, 1424 00:57:21,125 --> 00:57:22,417 that meant something else. 1425 00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:24,208 And not only did he stay, 1426 00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:26,542 but he had a conversation which was taped. 1427 00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,291 And in that conversation, 1428 00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:31,208 Gil Hill said he wanted to get money 1429 00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:32,500 from Mike Castro. 1430 00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,875 I got authorization to pay him the money, 1431 00:57:35,917 --> 00:57:36,875 $20,000.00. 1432 00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:39,333 The thing languished, and it languished, 1433 00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:40,333 and it languished 1434 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,417 before the bureaucrats could make up their mind. 1435 00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:44,458 When they finally made up their mind, 1436 00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:46,083 uh, the trail had cooled. 1437 00:57:46,125 --> 00:57:48,125 I think Gil, at that point, 1438 00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,291 uh, being a smart guy, he smelled a rat 1439 00:57:50,333 --> 00:57:51,875 and, and didn't take the bait, 1440 00:57:51,917 --> 00:57:53,250 so we lost an opportunity. 1441 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,917 But Hill refused to get involved. 1442 00:57:56,959 --> 00:57:59,000 He says the entire probe smacks of entrapment. 1443 00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:00,917 It seems like this upset you. 1444 00:58:00,959 --> 00:58:01,792 Tremendously. 1445 00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:05,250 Now, is he this major criminal mastermind? 1446 00:58:05,291 --> 00:58:06,875 I don't think so. 1447 00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:08,917 Was he a guy who played fast and loose, and... 1448 00:58:09,959 --> 00:58:10,959 Perhaps. 1449 00:58:11,709 --> 00:58:13,583 And maybe have crossed the line a couple of times. 1450 00:58:13,625 --> 00:58:15,125 But try as they might, 1451 00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:17,250 and I know the Feds who were chasing him, 1452 00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:18,750 trying their damndest. 1453 00:58:18,792 --> 00:58:21,250 These were solid hardworking guys after him. 1454 00:58:21,291 --> 00:58:23,166 They were not dogging it. 1455 00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,375 If they could have caught him, they would have. They didn't. 1456 00:58:25,417 --> 00:58:27,542 Reporters were chasing Gil Hill 1457 00:58:27,583 --> 00:58:29,208 down the street, 1458 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,125 asking him if he was involved in taking bribes. 1459 00:58:32,166 --> 00:58:34,250 And that's very damaging 1460 00:58:34,291 --> 00:58:36,166 if you wanna be the next mayor of the city of Detroit. 1461 00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,041 {\an8}Gil Hill ran for mayor and lost, 1462 00:58:39,083 --> 00:58:41,291 {\an8}but Gil Hill blames Rick 1463 00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,000 {\an8}for him not becoming the mayor. 1464 00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:46,583 I think helping the FBI with Operation Backbone- 1465 00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,583 was the biggest mistake of my life. 1466 00:58:48,625 --> 00:58:50,750 Because it created enemies that- 1467 00:58:50,792 --> 00:58:52,875 I couldn't even imagine-I was a kid. 1468 00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:55,333 I didn't think of the political aspects of it. 1469 00:58:55,375 --> 00:58:57,083 There's still a lot of angry people 1470 00:58:57,125 --> 00:58:58,875 in the city of Detroit 1471 00:58:58,917 --> 00:59:00,125 in positions of power. 1472 00:59:05,208 --> 00:59:08,083 {\an8}In Michigan, you're supposed to have an opportunity 1473 00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,083 {\an8}to have a parole hearing every five years. 1474 00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,959 Rick Wershe has only had one parole hearing 1475 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000 in 28 years in prison. 1476 00:59:16,041 --> 00:59:18,959 That parole hearing was in 2003, 1477 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,709 and it was a spectacle. 1478 00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:31,291 When you're up for parole, 1479 00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:34,417 what the parole board does is they send letters out 1480 00:59:34,458 --> 00:59:36,625 to the original trial judge. 1481 00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750 {\an8}In Rick's case, it was a judge 1482 00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:42,083 {\an8}by the name of Thomas Jackson who's recently retired. 1483 00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:45,041 And Judge Jackson wrote back and he said, 1484 00:59:45,083 --> 00:59:47,500 "I have no problem with this young man getting out. 1485 00:59:47,542 --> 00:59:50,083 He's served a long time in jail." 1486 00:59:50,458 --> 00:59:53,000 They then send the letter at the same time 1487 00:59:53,041 --> 00:59:55,625 to the prosecuting attorney's office. 1488 00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:58,250 The chief prosecutor was a fellow 1489 00:59:58,291 --> 00:59:59,875 by the name of Michael Duggan. 1490 00:59:59,917 --> 01:00:01,542 And Michael Duggan 1491 01:00:01,583 --> 01:00:03,250 is now the mayor of the city of Detroit. 1492 01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,041 {\an8}The first response from that office was, 1493 01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,041 "We have no problem with him getting out." 1494 01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:11,458 Two weeks later, 1495 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,542 another letter comes from that office saying, 1496 01:00:13,583 --> 01:00:16,125 "Disregard the first letter. We don't want him out." 1497 01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:19,291 In the letter, which was a multipage letter, 1498 01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:23,083 they were saying that Richard Wershe, Jr. 1499 01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:27,166 was responsible for the downfall of the city of Detroit. 1500 01:00:27,208 --> 01:00:29,583 Rick Wershe was involved in cases as a juvenile 1501 01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:31,500 where the witnesses just disappeared. 1502 01:00:31,542 --> 01:00:33,375 That this kid is so dangerous 1503 01:00:33,417 --> 01:00:35,625 that he should never be let out of prison. 1504 01:00:35,667 --> 01:00:37,333 And it was signed by Michael Duggan. 1505 01:00:37,917 --> 01:00:40,000 {\an8} If you ask him today, 1506 01:00:40,041 --> 01:00:41,875 {\an8}he'll tell you he doesn't remember that letter 1507 01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:42,959 {\an8}and he didn't remember signing it. 1508 01:00:43,667 --> 01:00:45,166 If you look at the letter, 1509 01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,333 {\an8}the name right underneath Michael Duggan 1510 01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,041 {\an8}is that of his chief assistant, 1511 01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:51,959 {\an8}Samuel Gardner. 1512 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,208 Rick's two defense attorneys at the time he was convicted 1513 01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:00,208 {\an8}was Samuel Gardner and Ed Bell, 1514 01:01:00,250 --> 01:01:01,834 {\an8}who were law partners. 1515 01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,917 He wanted to keep me in prison as long as he could. 1516 01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:08,166 I mean here's a guy that was my lawyer- 1517 01:01:08,208 --> 01:01:10,375 and was the number two prosecutor- 1518 01:01:10,417 --> 01:01:12,500 told me I had nothing to worry about. 1519 01:01:12,542 --> 01:01:14,542 And then this letter that was- 1520 01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,458 so outlandish and crazy gets sent to the parole board. 1521 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,875 I think it proves that they threw the case from the beginning- 1522 01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:24,208 and that their ultimate goal was to keep me in prison. 1523 01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,083 So I went over to the hearing, 1524 01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:28,125 and, in, in the first day of the hearing, 1525 01:01:28,166 --> 01:01:30,166 I heard federal agents say 1526 01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:33,250 that Rick Wershe was very helpful. 1527 01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,083 Instrumental in bringing down dirty cops 1528 01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,792 and other drug dealers in Detroit, 1529 01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,208 and that they believed he should be let out of prison, 1530 01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:41,041 that he should be paroled. 1531 01:01:41,083 --> 01:01:42,417 You come back the next day, 1532 01:01:42,458 --> 01:01:44,041 and it's a completely different story. 1533 01:01:44,083 --> 01:01:46,500 The Wayne County Prosecuting Attorney 1534 01:01:46,542 --> 01:01:50,208 brings in three or four homicide detectives. 1535 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,917 {\an8}I was approached by Deputy Chief 1536 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,291 {\an8}Dennis Richardson, 1537 01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,458 and was told that I was gonna go 1538 01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,291 to the parole hearing. 1539 01:01:57,834 --> 01:01:59,625 The goal of the hearing was to make sure 1540 01:01:59,667 --> 01:02:01,458 that he was not released. 1541 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:05,083 That Richard Wershe was considered to be dangerous. 1542 01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:09,166 {\an8}They characterized him as, uh, Al Capone. 1543 01:02:09,208 --> 01:02:12,709 {\an8}And they start detailing the collapse of the city. 1544 01:02:13,125 --> 01:02:15,709 {\an8}And then I talked about, in generalities, 1545 01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:19,166 {\an8}the damage that drugs had did to the city of Detroit. 1546 01:02:19,208 --> 01:02:21,583 - The story of all of the homicides, 1547 01:02:21,625 --> 01:02:24,208 and all of the drugs, and all of the murders. 1548 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:27,542 - That was the extent of my contact 1549 01:02:27,583 --> 01:02:29,041 with the parole board. 1550 01:02:29,083 --> 01:02:30,542 But the other members 1551 01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:32,750 of the police department and, and law enforcement 1552 01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:36,125 that was there went into generalities also. 1553 01:02:36,792 --> 01:02:38,417 And if you read it, 1554 01:02:38,458 --> 01:02:41,000 the transcript, carefully, 1555 01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:44,125 they just keep throwing Rick Wershe, Jr.'s name in. 1556 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,333 They never say that he does this stuff. 1557 01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:48,500 It's fair that you could have implied 1558 01:02:48,542 --> 01:02:51,083 that they knew about Richard Wershe. 1559 01:02:51,125 --> 01:02:53,166 Because they slanted it 1560 01:02:53,208 --> 01:02:55,375 to whereas he was to be considered dangerous 1561 01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:57,375 when they didn't know anything at all about him. 1562 01:02:57,417 --> 01:02:59,041 They never even worked drugs. 1563 01:02:59,083 --> 01:03:01,333 {\an8}And some of them ended up in prison themselves. 1564 01:03:01,375 --> 01:03:04,000 {\an8}In order to prepare for the parole hearing, 1565 01:03:04,458 --> 01:03:07,458 {\an8}I was given information to review and look at 1566 01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:11,125 so that I can familiarize myself with Richard Wershe. 1567 01:03:11,542 --> 01:03:13,834 They went to the Detroit Free Press 1568 01:03:13,875 --> 01:03:15,166 and said, 1569 01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,875 {\an8}"We need to have all of the news articles 1570 01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:19,959 with regards to Rick Wershe 1571 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,875 because we wanna review a bunch of this information. 1572 01:03:23,417 --> 01:03:24,417 Well, now we know 1573 01:03:26,291 --> 01:03:28,083 that half of the stuff that's in print wasn't true at all. 1574 01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:29,291 It was made up by the news media. 1575 01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,250 Listening to these police officers 1576 01:03:34,291 --> 01:03:37,542 say that Rick Wershe was violent and dangerous 1577 01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:39,458 and should not be let out of prison 1578 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,458 was hard-hitting. 1579 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,834 And it was powerful. It was a powerful testimony. 1580 01:03:44,208 --> 01:03:45,834 You had some people that testified 1581 01:03:45,875 --> 01:03:47,709 in favor of Rick Wershe 1582 01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:49,917 {\an8}including Kid Rock, the musician. 1583 01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,250 {\an8}Kid Rock did not show up with a big entourage. 1584 01:03:52,291 --> 01:03:53,417 He came by himself. 1585 01:03:53,458 --> 01:03:54,959 He drove himself to that hearing, 1586 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,542 and he told the parole board very plainly 1587 01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,333 that, "This could have been me 1588 01:03:59,375 --> 01:04:01,333 if the circumstances were different," 1589 01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,000 and that Rick Wershe deserves to get out. 1590 01:04:03,041 --> 01:04:05,208 And he quietly went away. 1591 01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,125 But ultimately, 1592 01:04:07,166 --> 01:04:08,834 the story didn't play out that way. 1593 01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:11,291 The police jumped on the fact that Kid Rock was there 1594 01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:15,333 and they basically put out the story line that, 1595 01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,500 "What? Is White Boy Rick gonna get out of prison 1596 01:04:17,542 --> 01:04:19,583 and go be a roadie for Kid Rock? 1597 01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:21,333 There's a real recipe for success. 1598 01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:23,083 Let's take this drug dealer 1599 01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:24,583 and put him with a big-time rapper, 1600 01:04:24,625 --> 01:04:26,625 and let's see how well he does. 1601 01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:28,667 Let's see if he's really reformed. 1602 01:04:28,709 --> 01:04:30,208 This is not gonna work." 1603 01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,333 And that played well. 1604 01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:32,917 It played well with the public 1605 01:04:32,959 --> 01:04:34,792 {\an8}and I think it played with the parole board. 1606 01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:37,041 {\an8} And, uh, the result 1607 01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:39,375 {\an8}was they turned down his parole. 1608 01:04:39,417 --> 01:04:41,083 It was a sham. 1609 01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:44,792 {\an8}There was absolutely no reason for any of us to be there 1610 01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:47,000 to try to prevent him from being released. 1611 01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:50,583 {\an8}I voted to have Rick Wershe released. 1612 01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:52,041 {\an8}It made sense. 1613 01:04:52,083 --> 01:04:53,792 {\an8}There was no reason in this world 1614 01:04:53,834 --> 01:04:55,458 {\an8}that he should still be there. 1615 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,542 This whole thing stinks to high heaven. 1616 01:04:57,959 --> 01:05:00,375 I think it goes back to Gil Hill. 1617 01:05:00,417 --> 01:05:02,208 All roads lead back to him. 1618 01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:04,834 I mean- 1619 01:05:04,875 --> 01:05:09,083 there's someone or some thing that's keeping me in prison and it's not the crime that I committed. 1620 01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,333 So, uh, a couple of years after the parole hearing, uh, 1621 01:05:15,375 --> 01:05:17,458 probably around 2005, 1622 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,625 {\an8}Wershe, Jr., uh, was of course in, uh, 1623 01:05:20,667 --> 01:05:22,667 {\an8}federal, uh, protective custody, 1624 01:05:22,709 --> 01:05:24,041 uh, witness protection program 1625 01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:25,625 doing his life sentence. 1626 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,166 I became aware that he was involved, 1627 01:05:28,208 --> 01:05:30,291 in a very minor way, 1628 01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:32,208 in an auto theft ring. 1629 01:05:32,583 --> 01:05:37,333 {\an8}He became aware of the ability 1630 01:05:37,375 --> 01:05:40,458 to obtain a car for his mother. 1631 01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:43,333 Consisted of him making some phone calls 1632 01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:45,583 on behalf of the people that were actually involved 1633 01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:47,333 in the auto theft ring. 1634 01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,000 When the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office found out, 1635 01:05:50,542 --> 01:05:52,375 they made phone calls 1636 01:05:53,333 --> 01:05:56,041 to the United States Attorney's Office 1637 01:05:56,083 --> 01:05:57,750 down in Miami saying, 1638 01:05:57,792 --> 01:06:00,375 "You make sure he's indicted 1639 01:06:00,417 --> 01:06:04,458 and the full extent of the law comes down on him." 1640 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,458 I was told, "You take a plea bargain, or I am going to arrest your mom and your sister." 1641 01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,625 So what do I do? 1642 01:06:10,667 --> 01:06:11,959 I took a plea bargain. 1643 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,750 {\an8}So he pled guilty 1644 01:06:13,792 --> 01:06:15,625 {\an8}and got a five-year sentence. 1645 01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:19,834 Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of all other cases, 1646 01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:22,542 the five years will run concurrently 1647 01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:26,041 with the life sentence that he's under in Michigan. 1648 01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:28,458 But because Rick's Rick, 1649 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,917 the sentence was ruled to run consecutively. 1650 01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:38,041 {\an8}If and when he's released here, which I pray is soon, 1651 01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:39,875 {\an8}he has to go to Florida and finish out time. 1652 01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:43,542 And if you look at the guy's prison record, 1653 01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:45,291 with the exception of that one incident, 1654 01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:49,125 {\an8}he is someone that is a model prisoner. 1655 01:06:49,667 --> 01:06:52,375 {\an8}"He has remained misconduct-free during his entire sentence 1656 01:06:52,417 --> 01:06:56,709 {\an8}with the MDOC which started in February 5th, 1988. 1657 01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,667 Mr. Wershe has maintained steady employment 1658 01:06:58,709 --> 01:07:00,875 and has never been a management problem for staff. 1659 01:07:01,542 --> 01:07:03,834 He has good communication skills 1660 01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,750 and interacts well with staff and other inmates alike." 1661 01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:07,625 In my opinion, 1662 01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,458 that would show that Mr. Wershe was a model prisoner. 1663 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,417 And there's no reason 1664 01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:14,917 that he should have been denied parole for so long. 1665 01:07:22,875 --> 01:07:25,000 "Now, based on my reading of the briefs, 1666 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:26,709 all parties agreed 1667 01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:28,166 that defendant's original sentence 1668 01:07:28,208 --> 01:07:30,333 of life without the possibility of parole 1669 01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,709 {\an8}for a juvenile who committed a non-violent offense 1670 01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:35,125 {\an8}involving drugs was unconstitutional. 1671 01:07:36,291 --> 01:07:38,000 The case law over the last decade 1672 01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:39,542 {\an8}has demanded that we treat juveniles 1673 01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:41,834 {\an8}constitutionally different than adults. 1674 01:07:42,208 --> 01:07:44,917 {\an8}That difference requires us to consider the defendant's age 1675 01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,417 {\an8}at the time the crime was committed. 1676 01:07:47,125 --> 01:07:48,166 Where a defendant's sentence 1677 01:07:48,208 --> 01:07:49,792 violates the constitution, 1678 01:07:49,834 --> 01:07:51,458 {\an8}recent case law holds 1679 01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,041 {\an8}that remedy for that violation is resentencing." 1680 01:07:54,542 --> 01:07:56,417 Suddenly in 2015, 1681 01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:58,166 {\an8}Judge Dana Hathaway decided 1682 01:07:58,208 --> 01:08:01,041 {\an8}that she wanted to resentence Rick Wershe 1683 01:08:01,083 --> 01:08:02,959 and it was a major decision. 1684 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,500 Uh, he's stunned. 1685 01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917 {\an8}I mean, you can see in the courtroom, uh, 1686 01:08:06,959 --> 01:08:09,041 {\an8}he, he doesn't know where to go. 1687 01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:11,500 {\an8}I mean, he is just almost in shock. 1688 01:08:11,542 --> 01:08:12,917 {\an8}We need him out. 1689 01:08:12,959 --> 01:08:14,959 {\an8}He's been in long enough. 1690 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,500 {\an8}I'm a bit overwhelmed 1691 01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,625 {\an8}because I've only seen my father in person 1692 01:08:18,667 --> 01:08:20,333 {\an8}maybe two or three times in my life, 1693 01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:23,458 so it was a difficult relationship to know someone 1694 01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,125 your whole life and not really. 1695 01:08:25,166 --> 01:08:26,750 They wouldn't even allow him out 1696 01:08:26,792 --> 01:08:28,458 for my dad's funeral. 1697 01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,500 {\an8}When my dad was dying of cancer, we, um... 1698 01:08:31,542 --> 01:08:32,959 {\an8}We asked and they said, "No. 1699 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,750 It's too high of a security risk." 1700 01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:38,750 I wold like to spread my dad's ashes somewhere and- 1701 01:08:38,792 --> 01:08:41,208 visit my grandparents' grave. 1702 01:08:41,250 --> 01:08:43,250 {\an8}I just wanna see him, like I said, 1703 01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:46,208 {\an8}and spend time with him before I die. 1704 01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,917 {\an8}My mother's not in good health, I mean- 1705 01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:51,667 after twenty-nine years you don't hit the ground running- 1706 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:54,041 but I think I have a good support team. 1707 01:08:54,083 --> 01:08:55,709 He's supposed to get out. 1708 01:08:55,750 --> 01:08:58,083 And if he doesn't get out, I want you, news guys, 1709 01:08:58,125 --> 01:08:59,959 to be investigating 1710 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,041 as to who in the hell wants him in 1711 01:09:02,083 --> 01:09:04,375 and who has that kind of power to keep him in. 1712 01:09:04,417 --> 01:09:06,166 {\an8}Wershe will be back here in two weeks 1713 01:09:06,208 --> 01:09:07,583 {\an8}to hear the judge's sentence. 1714 01:09:07,625 --> 01:09:09,500 {\an8}If it is the time served, 1715 01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:12,041 it's possible he could walk out of here a free man. 1716 01:09:12,083 --> 01:09:15,333 It would definitely mean that his time as a prisoner 1717 01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:16,583 is near its end. 1718 01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,208 Kym Worthy objected to that. 1719 01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:21,875 She's the prosecutor in Wayne County. 1720 01:09:21,917 --> 01:09:23,917 In 2015, she said, 1721 01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,250 "We believe the law says 1722 01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,208 {\an8}that Rick Wershe must stay in prison 1723 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,041 {\an8}until the parole board releases him." 1724 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,625 So as it stands right now, 1725 01:09:37,667 --> 01:09:39,875 {\an8}Rick Wershe will not be resentenced. 1726 01:09:41,041 --> 01:09:45,834 {\an8}When Prosecutor Worthy objected to my resentencing, 1727 01:09:45,875 --> 01:09:47,000 I was disappointed. 1728 01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:51,083 I didn't think that there was a legitimate basis for it. 1729 01:09:51,125 --> 01:09:52,875 And then when the Court of Appeals 1730 01:09:52,917 --> 01:09:54,583 sided with the prosecutor, 1731 01:09:54,625 --> 01:09:56,500 I was disappointed again. 1732 01:09:56,542 --> 01:10:00,333 I thought that, uh, my opinion had strong legal footing 1733 01:10:00,375 --> 01:10:03,750 given the fact that his sentence was ultimately 1734 01:10:03,792 --> 01:10:05,875 an Eighth Amendment violation 1735 01:10:05,917 --> 01:10:07,417 and I thought the remedy should have been resentencing. 1736 01:10:08,208 --> 01:10:10,458 Oh, I'm disappointed. I mean- 1737 01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,625 let down a little bit, but- 1738 01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,750 I expected it to be honest with you. 1739 01:10:14,792 --> 01:10:17,750 After all this time in here you don't believe you're doing to get out of here- 1740 01:10:17,792 --> 01:10:20,125 until the day you walk out of here. 1741 01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,667 {\an8}Kym Worthy is one of the main people 1742 01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:26,208 {\an8}standing in his way of becoming a free man. 1743 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,083 And she's made no public statement 1744 01:10:27,125 --> 01:10:28,166 over the years. 1745 01:10:28,208 --> 01:10:30,166 She's never given any indication 1746 01:10:30,208 --> 01:10:32,000 why she's so dead set 1747 01:10:32,041 --> 01:10:33,625 on Rick Wershe staying in prison. 1748 01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:35,959 I've done dozens of stories 1749 01:10:37,917 --> 01:10:39,333 on the injustice of Rick Wershe still being in prison. 1750 01:10:40,125 --> 01:10:42,125 And I've truly felt 1751 01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:44,750 that the stories I've done should have been enough 1752 01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:46,333 for people to do the right thing, 1753 01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,250 {\an8}but that hasn't happened. 1754 01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:50,875 {\an8}His sentence shocks the conscience. 1755 01:10:50,917 --> 01:10:53,041 {\an8}How long he was in shocks the conscience. 1756 01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:54,917 {\an8}I'm not saying he was innocent, 1757 01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:58,250 {\an8}but part our job is letting the punishment fit the crime. 1758 01:10:58,291 --> 01:11:00,667 And here, it absolutely did not. 1759 01:11:00,709 --> 01:11:02,208 For a juvenile defendant 1760 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:05,041 to never have his age taken into consideration 1761 01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:07,333 was highly inappropriate 1762 01:11:07,375 --> 01:11:09,333 and inconsistent with the case law 1763 01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,083 that's been evolving for the past decade. 1764 01:11:11,417 --> 01:11:13,750 He's a juvenile non-violent offender 1765 01:11:14,583 --> 01:11:15,959 who served 29 years. 1766 01:11:16,542 --> 01:11:17,917 He should be out. 1767 01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:19,667 {\an8}He is a political prisoner. 1768 01:11:19,709 --> 01:11:22,417 {\an8}He is being held against his will 1769 01:11:22,458 --> 01:11:24,875 {\an8}by the politicians of Michigan 1770 01:11:24,917 --> 01:11:26,125 for crimes he never did! 1771 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:27,959 {\an8}There is a relationship 1772 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,917 {\an8}between the current Wayne County prosecutor 1773 01:11:30,959 --> 01:11:32,250 {\an8}and Gil Hill. 1774 01:11:32,291 --> 01:11:33,625 {\an8} From what I saw, 1775 01:11:33,667 --> 01:11:35,625 {\an8}Kym Worthy and Gil Hill 1776 01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,834 {\an8}had a professional and political relationship. 1777 01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,125 Uh, she and Gil Hill worked together 1778 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,375 especially when he was, um, city council, 1779 01:11:43,792 --> 01:11:45,291 so they have a long history. 1780 01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,625 So I think that's where the issue is. 1781 01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:50,417 Well, the city lost a good one today. 1782 01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:53,166 Gilbert Hill, or Gil as we knew him, 1783 01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,834 died today peacefully with family by his side. 1784 01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:59,250 homicide detective in Detroit 1785 01:11:59,291 --> 01:12:01,166 {\an8}and, of course, landed the role 1786 01:12:01,208 --> 01:12:02,959 of Eddie Murphy's foul-mouthed boss 1787 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,000 in Beverly Hills Cop. 1788 01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:18,959 {\an8} Two huge stories today. 1789 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,041 First is statement from Kym Worthy 1790 01:12:21,083 --> 01:12:23,250 that she gave exclusively to the defenders. 1791 01:12:23,291 --> 01:12:26,542 {\an8}Kym Worthy saying she is going to reconsider her stance. 1792 01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,458 {\an8}She may no longer object to Wershe being locked up. 1793 01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:30,875 This decision by Kym Worthy 1794 01:12:30,917 --> 01:12:32,792 coming the very same day 1795 01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:36,500 {\an8}that a hitman says he was hired by a police officer 1796 01:12:36,542 --> 01:12:38,500 {\an8}to kill Rick Wershe back in the '80s. 1797 01:12:39,208 --> 01:12:42,375 {\an8}Maybe they need to step down and let the boy out 1798 01:12:42,417 --> 01:12:44,750 {\an8}before I start really naming names 1799 01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:46,417 {\an8}and they know who they are. 1800 01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:49,166 In that documentary, 1801 01:12:49,208 --> 01:12:50,458 I'm told that Nate Craft is going to say 1802 01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:52,417 that former Mayor Coleman Young 1803 01:12:52,458 --> 01:12:54,750 and former City Council President Gil Hill 1804 01:12:54,792 --> 01:12:56,709 went to great lengths 1805 01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,875 to make sure that White Boy Rick Wershe 1806 01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:00,583 would stay in prison for the rest of his life. 1807 01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,083 So, finally, after all of this time, 1808 01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,792 Kym Worthy says she's not going to stand 1809 01:13:04,834 --> 01:13:06,500 in Rick Wershe's way, 1810 01:13:06,542 --> 01:13:07,917 but she's not gonna do anything to help him either. 1811 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:11,750 {\an8}She's going to leave that up to the parole board. 1812 01:13:11,792 --> 01:13:12,917 {\an8} Well, that's the problem, 1813 01:13:12,959 --> 01:13:14,583 {\an8}is the parole board. 1814 01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:17,083 {\an8}They believe whoever is sitting there talking to them 1815 01:13:17,709 --> 01:13:19,875 and they never ask any questions. 1816 01:13:19,917 --> 01:13:22,834 They just listen to it all and then they vote. 1817 01:13:22,875 --> 01:13:24,291 And half the time, 1818 01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,250 they've listened to the wrong information. 1819 01:13:26,792 --> 01:13:29,250 {\an8}The Supreme Court in, in the State of Michigan 1820 01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:30,709 needs to take a look at this, 1821 01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,583 or the governor needs to pardon him. 1822 01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,208 Every time I've called the Governor's Office, 1823 01:13:35,667 --> 01:13:38,959 I've been told by his Office of General Counsel 1824 01:13:39,625 --> 01:13:41,917 {\an8}that the governor doesn't get involved. 1825 01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:45,417 {\an8}In any of the parole instances, 1826 01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:47,959 {\an8}he turns it over to the parole board. 1827 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,625 {\an8}Think about that concept. 1828 01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:52,000 {\an8}These are unelected people that are on the board. 1829 01:13:52,041 --> 01:13:53,417 {\an8}They're just regular people 1830 01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:55,291 and they're appointed by the governor. 1831 01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,291 And you as the governor of the state of Michigan 1832 01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,959 that get elected by the citizens you're going to say, 1833 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,667 "Oh, what do you want me to do?" 1834 01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:03,417 The parole board says they shouldn't do anything." 1835 01:14:03,458 --> 01:14:04,375 That's crazy. 1836 01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:07,333 I think people in Michigan 1837 01:14:07,375 --> 01:14:09,041 are finally realizing 1838 01:14:09,083 --> 01:14:10,834 that this story is not going away 1839 01:14:10,875 --> 01:14:12,625 and it's not staying local. 1840 01:14:12,667 --> 01:14:14,375 It's going to get bigger. It's going to get national. 1841 01:14:14,417 --> 01:14:15,834 It's gonna get international. 1842 01:14:15,875 --> 01:14:18,083 And someone's gonna have to answer 1843 01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:20,291 as to why Rick Wershe is still in prison 1844 01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,041 because nobody has answered for that yet. 1845 01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:24,625 This is the Claus von Bülow case 1846 01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,959 {\an8}uh, that, uh, I was the appellant lawyer. 1847 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,458 {\an8}And you don't get too many cases 1848 01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,375 {\an8}where the reversal of the conviction 1849 01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,291 {\an8}makes the front page of the New York Times. 1850 01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:33,375 {\an8} Attorney Alan Dershowitz 1851 01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:36,625 {\an8}has an office full of memories from the big cases. 1852 01:14:36,667 --> 01:14:38,166 {\an8}OJ Simpson, Mike Tyson, 1853 01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:40,083 {\an8}Patty Hearst, Jim Baker. 1854 01:14:40,125 --> 01:14:41,750 {\an8}He can't see any reason 1855 01:14:41,792 --> 01:14:43,875 Rick Wershe should still be behind bars. 1856 01:14:43,917 --> 01:14:46,125 This is a terrible, terrible injustice. 1857 01:14:46,166 --> 01:14:49,667 {\an8}This sentence has so many constitutional problems 1858 01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:51,166 {\an8}that one would hope a court would look at it 1859 01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:53,041 very skeptically. 1860 01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:54,959 One might at least have the hope 1861 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,834 that they will see the thing in context, 1862 01:14:56,875 --> 01:14:58,583 and say to themselves, "Oh, my God. 1863 01:14:58,625 --> 01:15:01,000 Young man, drug offense. 1864 01:15:01,041 --> 01:15:02,834 Look at how much time he spent. 1865 01:15:02,875 --> 01:15:04,208 That doesn't make sense." 1866 01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:06,291 Alan Dershowitz has agreed to assist 1867 01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:08,542 Rick Wershe's attorney, Ralph Musilli, saying, 1868 01:15:08,583 --> 01:15:11,458 "An injustice like this needs as much public attention 1869 01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:12,500 as possible." 1870 01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:17,125 {\an8}Who's gonna be the hero here and do the right thing? 1871 01:15:17,875 --> 01:15:19,792 I don't really think anyone can look 1872 01:15:19,834 --> 01:15:21,291 at all the facts surrounding this case 1873 01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:22,542 and not feel bad for him. 1874 01:15:24,250 --> 01:15:26,083 {\an8}And whether it's appropriate or not for me to say, 1875 01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:29,125 {\an8}I, I am still a human being despite being the judge 1876 01:15:29,166 --> 01:15:31,417 {\an8}that just happened to inherit this case. 1877 01:15:31,458 --> 01:15:33,667 {\an8}I can't check that at the door, 1878 01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:36,542 and I think part of, uh, my job is to have compassion 1879 01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:39,125 for people and the people that come before me, 1880 01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:40,875 and to see all sides of the story. 1881 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:43,000 And I don't know how anyone can look at this 1882 01:15:43,041 --> 01:15:44,000 and not feel bad for him. 1883 01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:46,500 {\an8}I say Rick shoulda did 1884 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,000 {\an8}seven, eight years and been home. 1885 01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:49,834 {\an8}Should have been home. 1886 01:15:49,875 --> 01:15:51,500 {\an8}20 years ago. 1887 01:15:51,542 --> 01:15:52,792 Even my daughters, everybody say, 1888 01:15:52,834 --> 01:15:54,125 "Yeah, they should let the boy go. 1889 01:15:54,166 --> 01:15:55,625 He did enough time." 1890 01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:57,792 Murders ain't-- He did more time than murderers. 1891 01:16:01,125 --> 01:16:02,625 {\an8}The leader of the Young Boys Incorporated, 1892 01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:04,083 {\an8}Butch Jones, 1893 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,834 the Henry Ford of heroin as he'd like to call himself, 1894 01:16:08,417 --> 01:16:11,750 responsible for hundreds and hundreds 1895 01:16:11,792 --> 01:16:13,625 of kilos of drugs being sold. 1896 01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:16,834 Responsible for multiple murders, 1897 01:16:17,542 --> 01:16:19,625 alleged and convicted, 1898 01:16:19,667 --> 01:16:20,834 did seven years. 1899 01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:26,542 {\an8}Kurt McGurk was Butch Jones' protégé. 1900 01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:30,875 A 16-year-old hitman did 25 years. 1901 01:16:30,917 --> 01:16:32,000 He's out. 1902 01:16:32,542 --> 01:16:34,500 The Curry Boys. 1903 01:16:34,542 --> 01:16:37,375 Johnny Curry, Rick's mentor in the game. 1904 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,333 Arguably the biggest Eastside drug dealer of the 1980s, 1905 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,208 ran an empire for ten years. 1906 01:16:45,834 --> 01:16:47,917 Went into prison in 1987. 1907 01:16:47,959 --> 01:16:50,500 Came out in 1999, 12 years. 1908 01:16:51,458 --> 01:16:53,625 Nathaniel "Boone" Craft. 1909 01:16:53,667 --> 01:16:54,959 Here I am. 1910 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,500 Hitman, murderer, 1911 01:16:56,542 --> 01:16:58,083 however y'all wanna put it. 1912 01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,333 Admitted to killing 30 people in open court 1913 01:17:02,083 --> 01:17:03,834 did 17 years, he's out. 1914 01:17:04,417 --> 01:17:06,291 I'm not in prison no longer. 1915 01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:09,000 I'm free, 1916 01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:12,291 and hoping one day y'all will free White Boy Rick. 1917 01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,375 What rational human being would say 1918 01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,333 that a man who has admitted 30 execution-style killings, 1919 01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:24,625 who then cooperates with law enforcement, 1920 01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:26,667 should get out in 17 years 1921 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:29,000 and Richard Wershe, Jr. should be in for 28 years? 1922 01:17:30,625 --> 01:17:32,625 I know I'm going to hell. 1923 01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,709 There's nothing that I could do to change that 1924 01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:36,959 because my life had so much violence, 1925 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,834 so much everything but, yet, 1926 01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,917 White Boy Rick is still locked up. 1927 01:17:42,834 --> 01:17:46,417 The government takes a 14-year-old boy 1928 01:17:46,458 --> 01:17:48,291 out of high school 1929 01:17:48,333 --> 01:17:52,000 and places him in imminent peril 1930 01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:54,250 so that they can do their job. 1931 01:17:55,834 --> 01:17:58,458 And after they used him up, 1932 01:17:58,500 --> 01:17:59,959 they kick him to the curb, 1933 01:18:00,917 --> 01:18:03,583 and send him to jail for the rest of his life. 1934 01:18:05,083 --> 01:18:07,000 He done served a lot of time 1935 01:18:07,041 --> 01:18:09,000 {\an8}for something that he wasn't. 1936 01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,667 {\an8}Bottom line, for something that he wasn't. 1937 01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,291 What happens if... 1938 01:18:15,333 --> 01:18:17,917 three, or four, or five, ten years down the road, 1939 01:18:19,583 --> 01:18:22,083 Rick, you get out of prison? What do you do, then? 1940 01:18:23,375 --> 01:18:24,667 Start my life over. 1941 01:18:27,291 --> 01:18:30,291 Try and start from the beginning, you know? 1942 01:18:30,333 --> 01:18:33,709 I wanna go home, be able to raise my kids, 1943 01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:35,375 have a family, 1944 01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:37,792 get a job somewhere, and then lead a normal life. 1945 01:18:52,625 --> 01:18:54,625 Hello. I'm Kevin Dietz with a breaking news story. 1946 01:18:54,667 --> 01:18:55,959 A decision is in 1947 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,417 on the Richard Wershe "White Boy Rick" case. 1948 01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:01,125 The parole board has voted, and they have voted 1949 01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:03,083 to parole Richard Wershe. 1950 01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:06,542 He will be freed of his life sentence in prison 1951 01:19:06,583 --> 01:19:08,083 - in the state of Michigan. 1952 01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:09,542 Oh, my God! 1953 01:19:11,458 --> 01:19:12,500 - Is that it? 1954 01:19:12,542 --> 01:19:13,500 He did it. 1955 01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,667 The administrative assistant came and called me in the office and- 1956 01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:20,667 -he basically told me, "Listen, it's over." 1957 01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:23,333 "You're done. Michigan paroled you." 1958 01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:24,375 And what did you do? 1959 01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,750 I cried man. 1960 01:19:29,792 --> 01:19:30,709 I cried. 149129

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