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Liverpool££
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That's better, Johnny
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The Wild One
Released 1954
You know I missed you.
Ever since the club split up I missed you
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We all missed you. Do you miss him?
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Yeah! All the Beetles missed you
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Let's go back and get 'em, eh?
- I'm game
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To the temple. A man's got to do
what he's got to do
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Let's go back, back,
back, back, back...
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My mother used to say because I was born
the Second World War started
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Richard Starkey
Born Liverpool 7th July 1940
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I was with mother until about four,
then my father split
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He was a merchant seaman.
It was 1940 and the war and all that
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John Winston Lennon
Born Liverpool 9th October 1940
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My mum was a Catholic,
dad was a Protestant
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They got married quite late.
I think they had me when they were 40
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James Paul McCartney
Born Liverpool 18th June 1942
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At the time I was born
my father's job was driving a bus
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I lived in a two-up and two-down,
12 Arnold Grove
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George Harrison
Born Liverpool 25th February 1943
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My mum was a nurse
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She was a midwife as well
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My dad was a cotton salesman
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My father and my mother split
when I was about four
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I was with mother up to then,
then I was brought up by an aunty
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Dad was a... he made cakes
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so we always had sugar through the war
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She ended up doing a lot of jobs
as he left when I was three
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He decided that was enough of that
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She did any job she could get
to feed and clothe me
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My mother was from an Irish family
called French
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She had lots of brothers and sisters
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My grandmother lived in Albert Grove,
which was next to Arnold Grove
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I was terrible at school.
I wasn't there much as I was often sick
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I had peritonitis when I was six and a half -
a burst appendix
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They told my mother that I'd be dead
three times-but I'm still here
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My dad was an amateur musician
who played piano
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I've memories of lying on the floor,
hearing him play
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When my parents were younger
they listened on an old crystal radio
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John really loved his mother.
I loved her too
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She played the ukelele.
To this day...
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if I meet grown-ups
who play ukeleles, I love them
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Everybody has their party piece in Liverpool
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My mother's was Little Drummer Boy.
She sang it to me
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I'd sing Nobody's Child to her
and she'd always cry
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Rock'n'roll meant it was real,
everything else was unreal
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It was the only thing to get through to me,
at 15, of all the things happening
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You can't imagine a time when rock'n'roll
was only one of the musics
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Whatever record was being played,
you'd try and listen to it
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You couldn't even get a cup of sugar,
let alone a rock'n'roll record
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There was no such thing
as an English record
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The first English record that was anything
was Move It by Cliff Richard
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Before that there'd been nothing
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You'd listen to whatever was on the radio
in those days
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I listened to a lot of country and western -
skiffle was coming through
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There were lots of people coming up
and one of them was Buddy Holly
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We loved his vocal sound
and we loved his guitar playing
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But most of all was the fact
that he actually wrote the stuff himself
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That's what turned us on
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I was at art school for five years
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They'd only allow jazz to be played -
no rock'n'roll in those days
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We conned them into letting us play
rock'n'roll by calling it blues
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As I became a teenager
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I was 12 or 13 when I first heard
Fats Domino, I'm in Love Again
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That was the first what I would call
rock'n'roll record I ever heard
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Even Bill Haley was around then
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I remember being in school
when I was a kid
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Somebody had a picture in one
of the musical papers... of Elvis
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It was an advert for Heartbreak Hotel
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I just looked at it and thought,
he's just so good looking, just perfect
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When I was 16,
Elvis was what was happening
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A guy with long greasy hair wiggling
his ass and singing Hound Dog
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That's Alright Mama and those early
Sun Records-his great period
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That's him-the guru we've been
waiting for-the messiah has arrived
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One of our favourite records
was Searchin'by the Coasters
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We heard people like Big Bill Broonzy.
I think he did a tour of England
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I was a big fan of his
and Frankie Laine
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All those train songs, Rock Island Line
and all that stuff
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Lonnie Donegan
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Suddenly here was a rock'n'roll hero
who had glasses
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Buddy Holly and The Crickets
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The first music I can remember
hearing as guitar-oriented music
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was Jimmie Rodgers,
"The Singing Brakeman"
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I had no idea about doing music
as a way of life...
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until rock'n'roll hit me
and that changed my whole life
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Drums were the only thing I wanted.
I never looked at guitars or anything
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My dad used to be a trumpet player
and for my birthday
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he bought me a trumpet from Rushworth
and Drapers' music store in Liverpool
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At 16 I re-established a relationship
with my mother for about 4 years
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She taught me music, first the banjo,
then I progressed to guitar
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My first song was Ain't That A Shame,
an old rock hit, Fats Domino
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When I was 13, 14, I used to be
at the back of the class, drawing
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Trying to draw guitars,
big cello cut-away guitars with 'F' holes
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Little solid ones with pointy
or rounded cut-aways
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I was totally into guitars
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I heard about a kid who had a guitar
and it was ???3.10s
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Just a little acoustic, round hole guitar
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I got the �3.10s from my mother,
a lot of money in those days
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I suddenly figured out I couldn't sing
with this thing in my mouth
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so I went back to the shop
and traded it in for a guitar
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That was a Zenith,
the first guitar I ever had
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I was about 16
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I bought a thirty-bob bass drum -
thirty shillings
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Just a huge one-sided bass drum
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It's a family joke now - "The guitar's OK
for a hobby but won't earn you any money"
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We'd travel the whole of Liverpool
to see someone who knew a new chord
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I remember once hearing
about a bloke who knew B7
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We knew E and A - Those are quite easy -
but we didn't know B7
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That was the missing link.
The other chord. The lost chord
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We trooped across Liverpool, changed
a couple of buses, found this fella
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He showed us dum, dum dum - B7
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We learned it from him,
went home to our mates and went...
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Got it!
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Paul and I used to just kind of get together,
play it a bit
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We were just schoolboys.
There were no groups till a bit later
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In those days we were desperate
to get anything
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Whatever film came, you'd try and see it
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The Girl Can't Help it
Released 1956
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You went to those movies with Elvis
or somebody in them in Liverpool
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Everybody was waiting to see him -
I'd be waiting there too
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They'd all scream
when he came on the screen
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So we thought, that's a good job!
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When The Girl Can't Help It came along
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Instead of us looking at old
black and white movies and thinking
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"There's Clyde McPhatter,
there's Fats Domino"
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people we loved, who were
being treated quite shabbily
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suddenly this was in colour
and in widescreen
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At the start of Girl Can't Help lt,
Tom Ewell comes on and says...
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Widescreen
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Colour!
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Gorgeous, life-like colour by Deluxe
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Sometimes you wonder
who's minding the store
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You cut to Jayne Mansfield
and that's it-the game's over
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I went to see Rock Around The Clock
in the Isle of Man
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My grandparents took me
and it was sensational
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They ripped up the cinema
and this was good for me to see
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Bill Haley and The Comets
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I went to grammar school with Paul
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We started in the same class,
then we went into different streams
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But basically I knew him since
I was about eleven
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I didn't really know him like a friend
until a number of years later
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I met George at
the Liverpool Institute as well
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He was a year younger than Paul and I
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Neil Aspinall
Schoolfriend
I met George-we used to smoke
behind the air-raid shelters
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George and I lived near each other
in Liverpool, just a bus stop away
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I'd get on the bus and then the stop
afterwards George would get on
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Being close in age, we'd sit together
and we'd talk about stuff and that
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In fact he was, I think, about
one and a half years younger than me
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A big age difference at that time
so I suppose I talked down to him a bit
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as you do to a kid one and a half years
younger than you
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When he's sort of 14 and a half
and I'm sort of 16
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Perhaps I talked down to him
because I'd known him as a younger kid
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He was always nine months older
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Even now, he's still
nine months older
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Paul met me the first day
I did Be Bop A Lu La live on stage
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A mutual friend brought him to see
my group, The Quarry Men
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I had a mate at school
called lvan Vaughan
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We were born on the same day
so we were great mates
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One day he said do you want to
come to the Woolton Village Fete?
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We went along one Saturday afternoon
to the field where they had the fete
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There was a wagon,
and on the back of this a little stage
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On stage were a few lads
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One particular guy I noticed
at the front had a checked shirt
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Blondish hair, a bit curly, sideboards,
looking pretty cool
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He was playing guitar,
not a very good one
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But he was making a good job of it
and I remember being impressed
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He was doing a song by the Del Vikings
called Come Go With Me
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He obviously didn't know the words
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He was pulling in lyrics from blues songs,
so instead of going
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"Come, little darling, come go with me"
which is right
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he'd got "Down down down
to the Penitentiary"
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He'd be doing the sort of stuff
he'd heard on Big Bill Broonzy records
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I thought, that's clever, he's pretty good.
That was John
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We met and talked after the show
and I saw he had talent
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He was playing backstage, doing
Twenty Flight Rock by Eddie Cochran
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The thing that impressed him most
was I knew all the words
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I was the singer and the leader, I made
the decision to have him in the group
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Was it better to have a guy who was better
than the people I had, or not?
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That decision was to let Paul in
and make the group stronger
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I asked him on our first meeting
"Do you want to join the group?"
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I think he said yes the next day
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George came through Paul
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"I've got this friend who's really good,
you know"
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He said well yeah, like what,
and I said he plays Raunchy perfectly
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We all loved that song so we
said well, got to try him out
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We ended up on the top deck
of an empty late night bus, just us
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and we said "Go on, George,
get your guitar out, you show him"
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Sure enough-note perfect - Raunchy.
"You're in"
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The first thing we ever recorded
was That'll Be The Day, a Buddy Holly song
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and one of Paul's,
called In Spite of All The Danger
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That record, the first we ever made,
is in Liverpool somewhere
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First Recordings
1958
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Everybody hung around at
the Jacaranda Club near the art school
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and near Paul and George's school
in the centre of Liverpool
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This was before we really formed a band,
just me, Paul and George
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We used to show up for gigs
with just three guitars
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The person booking us would say
"Where's the drums then?"
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To cover this eventuality we'd say
"The rhythm's in the guitars"
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We once tried to do this audition
for Carol Levis Discoveries
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Everybody would go on and audition
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Then they'd pick out somebody
and go "OK, you, you and you"
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They'd pick out about 20 different acts
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They'd have a clapometer
and the winner would go on to the final
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It just kept on going.
We went in for one of those
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We were on the train to Manchester,
rehearsing our act
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Only me and George had our guitars.
John must have sold his or bust it
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OK, there's just the two of us with guitars
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As it happened it looked good.
Paul was left-handed
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I was right-handed-still am -
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John was in the middle,
standing with a hand on each shoulder
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"Think it over, what you just said"
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Me and George - John did the lead
and we were also going to do Rave On
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We did it, he put his arms around us
and it was OK. We didn't win, as usual
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but I believe that day
some unfortunate person in the theatre
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was relieved of his guitar
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Stuart Sutcliffe
Stuart was John's friend from art college.
He was a very good painter
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We were jealous of John's friendship,
John being a bit older than us
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He was a little bit, you know...
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You wanted to sit next to him on a bus -
he was the older fella
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So when Stuart came in he was taking
a bit of that position away from us
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We had to take a little bit of a back seat
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The story was that he sold his painting
to a John Moore exhibition
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So the question was
what do you do with 75 quid?
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We said "That happens to be the exact
amount it takes to buy a Hofner bass"
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That would be a great thing
to spend the money on
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He said "No, I'm a painter,
I've got to spend it on paints"
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We said "No, Stuart, really" and John
and I gave him a persuasive argument
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that the best thing to do, obviously,
was to buy this Hofner bass
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Which he did. The only trouble was,
he couldn't play it
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But it was better to have a bass player
who couldn't play
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than to not have a bass player at all
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Early Recordings
Made in Liverpool - 1960
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Ringo was a professional drummer
who sang and performed
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in one of the top groups in Liverpool
before we even had a drummer
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Rory and the Hurricanes were the first
who wanted to get into rock'n'roll
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We were playing skiffle before that
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and he had this rock'n'roll
blonde hair attitude
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Johnny Guitar was just, for me,
Liverpool's Jimi Hendrix at the time
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The one good story about Rory and the
Hurricanes, of which I was a member...
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We were playing the Cavern
and Johnny Guitar had a radio
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He plugged his guitar into the radio
so we could be a bit more rock'n'roll
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They threw us off for being rock'n'roll.
He plugged in the radio-get OFF!
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John thought of the name Beatles
and he'll tell you about it now
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I had a vision when I was 12
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I saw a man on a flaming pie and he said
"You are Beatles with an A", and we are
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John put this thing in Mersey Beat
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which was also started by Bill Harry
who went to art college with John
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just saying that this little guy
appeared on a flaming pie -
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you know, in the sky-and said
"Let there be Beatles-with an A"
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John got the name Beatles ages ago
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Everybody was thinking of a name
and he thought of Beatles
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I was looking for a name like the Crickets,
that meant two things
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and from Crickets I got to Beatles
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When you said it, it was crawly things;
when you read it, it was beat music
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That's better, Johnny
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You know I missed you.
Ever since the club split up I missed you
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We all missed you. Do you miss him?
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Yeah! All the Beetles missed you
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When we started off we had a manager
in Liverpool called Allan Williams
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He was a small bloke, with a high voice,
little Welsh accent
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He was a great motivator,
he was very good for us at the time
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He eventually got us an audition
at one of his clubs, the Blue Angel
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It was for Larry Parnes
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who had a big stable, so-called,
of rock stars in London
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so this was a big opening
to get this audition
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We showed up there
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I think half the groups in Liverpool
showed up that day
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Photos were taken -
this is us at the audition
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Something for Larry to look at
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We always had to ask Stuart
to turn away from the camera
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As he couldn't play that well.
We might be in A and he might be in A flat
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Someone might spot this-we always
noticed where people were on the guitars
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So there are a few photos of Stuart
with his back to the camera
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That was the reason
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We got the audition - Larry picked
up quite a few Liverpool groups
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Our only disappointment
was that all the people in his stable
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were like... Marty Wilde
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They all had very furious names,
Billy Fury, somebody Tempest,
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Storm, Hurricane-they were all
tempestuous names, you know
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There's Ron Whitcherley, 17,
known to his fans as Billy Fury
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Guaranteed �1000 in his first year
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Roy Taylor, 18, alias Vince Eager,
�5000 by his fifth year
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We thought this would be great,
but we ended up with Johnny Gentle
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Slight disappointment
in the name department there
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John Askew-or Johnny Gentle -
22, from Merseyside
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Duffy Power,
real name Raymond Howard, 17
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All - Eager, Power, Gentle, Fury -
in the lucrative business, as someone said
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of putting teenage growing pains to music
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Do you re-christen all your boys?
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Larry Parnes
Oh yes, I think this is terribly important
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Otherwise they would go on the stage
with unsuitable names
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They wanted a more imaginative
name than The Beatles
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They came up with Long John Silver
and the Beetles and we thought no
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It ended up as Long John
and the Silver Beetles
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We became the Silver Beetles
for this tour of Scotland
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So we thought, if the name of the group's
been changed and he's Long John
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We all changed our names but people
thought that John didn't - John was cool -
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but he was Long John for that tour.
He was quite happy to be Long John too
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I thought, if he's changing it
maybe we all should
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We all fancied it, our first foray
into professional entertainment
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Well, that's what you do, isn't it?
You change your name
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I became Paul Ramon, for some reason
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I thought it was a very exotic
French-sounding name
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And I was Carl Harrison
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It doesn't sound like a stage name now,
it's just that I loved Carl Perkins
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Stuart became Stuart de Stael
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He liked Nicholas de Stael,
an abstract expressionist painter
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Anyway, that was a pretty pathetic tour.
By the end of it we were broke
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We had no money, we were all cold,
freezing, and just miserable
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That was it. We came back to Liverpool
and nothing happened really
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I felt really sad -
we were like orphans or something
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Our shoes were full of holes,
our trousers were a mess...
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Larry Parnes' fella, Johnny Gentle,
had this posh suit and stuff
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I remember trying
to play Won't You Wear My Ring
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That's what he was doing -
one of those Elvis tunes
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And we were crummy,
we were really an embarrassment
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We didn't have amplifiers or anything
317
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And so I would say to the others
when we were all depressed
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thinking the group was going nowhere
and this is a shitty deal
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I'd say "Where are we going, fellas?"
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They'd go "To the top, Johnny"
in pseudo American voices
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I'd say "Where's that, fellas?"
"To the toppermost of the poppermost"
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I'd say "Right", then we'd all cheer up
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Derry and the Seniors
got offered a job in London
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Give up your jobs and come to London
and you're going with Larry, right?
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They gave up their jobs
and then didn't get a gig
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so they were a bit pissed off
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They said "We're going to London,
we'll get Parnsey and beat him up"
328
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Allan Williams, the club owner
who did the audition...
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probably the first big groupie
of Liverpool, drove them to London
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He said bring your instruments, lads,
you might get a gig
331
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So he got them a gig
in the Two I's in London
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This fella, Bruno Koschmider,
from a club in Hamburg...
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I think it was him, he saw them
and booked them to go to Germany
334
00:38:29,487 --> 00:38:35,039
Later he said he wanted another band -
we were probably cheap
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Allan Williams said OK, lads,
you can have this job in Germany
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The only problem is
he's asked for a 5-piece band
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At that point Paul was the drummer
because all the drummers didn't show up
338
00:38:51,767 --> 00:38:57,046
So that's where I said "OK, I remember
this guy..." and we went up to this club
339
00:38:57,287 --> 00:39:01,121
Pete Best-he had a drum kit for Christmas
340
00:39:01,727 --> 00:39:06,721
He was known on Merseyside as mean,
moody and magnificent
341
00:39:08,207 --> 00:39:11,916
We had all sorts of different drummers
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Few people owned drum kits.
They're expensive
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And they were usually idiots
344
00:39:18,167 --> 00:39:22,524
We got Pete Best because we needed
a drummer to go to Hamburg
345
00:39:22,807 --> 00:39:27,323
He came down to the Jacaranda Club
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We did a quick audition, jumped in the van
and went to Hamburg
347
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:13,679
We ended up in Hamburg
very late one night
348
00:41:13,927 --> 00:41:18,000
There was no one there to meet us,
but we could find Hamburg off the map
349
00:41:18,247 --> 00:41:23,241
But St Pauli district and the Reeperbahn...
but everyone knew
350
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We found the street and the club
but it was all closed
351
00:41:32,807 --> 00:41:36,482
We had no hotel or anything
and it was now bedtime
352
00:41:36,727 --> 00:41:41,562
We managed to shake up someone
from a neighbouring club
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00:41:41,807 --> 00:41:45,766
They opened the club and we slept in
the alcoves on the red leather seats
354
00:41:46,767 --> 00:41:52,239
The second night we moved into
the Bambi Kino for 2 or 3 months
355
00:41:52,607 --> 00:41:56,486
I remember Rory Storm and his group
coming with Ringo to see us
356
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They arrived a bit later and came
to see how the groups were living
357
00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,918
They were really shocked
358
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One of us had a Union Jack
over us to keep warm
359
00:42:09,567 --> 00:42:15,563
Rory and I were staying in one room
in the German Seamen's Mission
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00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:19,403
That was luxury-absoloute bloody luxury
361
00:42:19,647 --> 00:42:24,801
Before we got to the club, the Kaiserkeller
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00:42:25,047 --> 00:42:28,437
Howie Casey, sax player from Liverpool
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00:42:28,687 --> 00:42:32,600
who also played a lot
with Paul McCartney later on
364
00:42:32,847 --> 00:42:36,237
They were sleeping for a while
in the back of the club
365
00:42:36,487 --> 00:42:39,479
I'll never forget when we arrived they said:
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"This is where you live"
367
00:42:41,967 --> 00:42:48,964
Just a couple of old settees
and Union Jacks for sheets
368
00:42:49,207 --> 00:42:52,563
We don't want this, we've got suits,
we're leaving, blah, blah, blah
369
00:42:52,807 --> 00:42:56,925
So we went to this life of luxury
in the German Seamen's Mission
370
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Everything else was such a buzz
371
00:42:59,807 --> 00:43:05,120
In the middle of the naughtiest city
in the world at 17 years old
372
00:43:05,367 --> 00:43:07,835
It was exciting
373
00:43:08,527 --> 00:43:12,964
And learning about the gangsters,
the transvestites
374
00:43:13,207 --> 00:43:16,279
You know, it was like that -
there's the hookers...
375
00:43:16,527 --> 00:43:21,920
We were just kids let off the leash,
straight from Liverpool to Hamburg
376
00:43:22,287 --> 00:43:24,721
We were used to little Liverpool girls
377
00:43:24,967 --> 00:43:29,722
but in Hamburg if you got a girlfriend
she's likely to be a stripper
378
00:43:29,967 --> 00:43:34,757
The only kind of people
who were around late at night there
379
00:43:35,727 --> 00:43:41,085
For someone who'd not really had
much sex before, which we hadn't
380
00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:45,684
to be suddenly involved with
the sort of hard-core striptease artist
381
00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:51,445
who obviously knew a thing or two
about sex, was quite an eye-opener
382
00:43:59,207 --> 00:44:04,998
That was also a point of our lives
where we found Dexedrine
383
00:44:05,247 --> 00:44:07,317
Uppers, you know, pills
384
00:44:07,567 --> 00:44:13,517
The only way we could continue
was to be on Preludin, they were called
385
00:44:13,767 --> 00:44:16,884
We bought them over the counter
so didn't think we were doing anything
386
00:44:17,127 --> 00:44:20,244
But you'd get really wired
and go on for days
387
00:44:20,807 --> 00:44:24,197
So with beer and Preludin,
that's how we survived
388
00:44:24,727 --> 00:44:30,563
We used to just be up there frothing
at the mouth, just stomping away
389
00:44:30,807 --> 00:44:34,117
Those were the days
390
00:44:56,807 --> 00:45:00,083
In Hamburg, 'cos we had to work
6 or 7 hours a night -
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00:45:02,087 --> 00:45:05,204
on stage, with no rest -
392
00:45:05,447 --> 00:45:08,678
the waiters always had these pills
called Preludin
393
00:45:09,367 --> 00:45:14,361
When they saw the musicians falling over
with tiredness or drink
394
00:45:14,887 --> 00:45:16,036
they'd give you the pill
395
00:45:16,287 --> 00:45:19,802
You'd take the pill and you'd be talking,
you'd sober up
396
00:45:20,047 --> 00:45:24,245
You'd work until the pill wore off,
then you'd have to have another
397
00:45:24,767 --> 00:45:28,362
I think that's where we found our style
398
00:45:28,607 --> 00:45:32,885
We developed our style because
of this fella who used to say:
399
00:45:33,127 --> 00:45:39,043
"You've got to make a show
for the people. Mach Schau"
400
00:45:39,287 --> 00:45:44,839
so we used to Mach Schau
and John used to dance round like a gorilla
401
00:45:45,087 --> 00:45:48,079
We'd all knock our heads together
and things like that
402
00:45:48,967 --> 00:45:53,836
When we met in Germany,
they played one club, we played another
403
00:45:54,087 --> 00:45:56,282
They were just great by then
404
00:45:56,527 --> 00:46:02,204
I used to like... we'd do 12 hours
at a weekend between two bands
405
00:46:02,447 --> 00:46:05,359
when we ended up at the same club
406
00:46:05,607 --> 00:46:11,842
If they had the last set, I'd be semi-drunk,
demanding slow songs
407
00:46:12,207 --> 00:46:17,600
He used to like the sort of blues feel
of the late night sessions
408
00:46:17,847 --> 00:46:22,557
There was hardly anybody there.
I could see what he liked about it
409
00:46:22,807 --> 00:46:26,561
We were playing a bit more for ourselves
by that time of night
410
00:46:26,807 --> 00:46:29,275
because there was no one in
411
00:46:29,527 --> 00:46:33,600
This was all sort of bluesey -
B sides and lesser known tracks
412
00:46:33,847 --> 00:46:39,444
His particular favourite-he always
used to request it-was 3.30 Blues
413
00:46:52,767 --> 00:46:56,237
We made friends with a lot of people
414
00:46:56,807 --> 00:47:01,358
Our real friends
were the ones known now...
415
00:47:01,607 --> 00:47:04,758
Klaus Voormann
416
00:47:05,047 --> 00:47:07,038
Jurgen Vollmer
417
00:47:07,287 --> 00:47:11,883
and Astrid, who took all the famous
photographs of us at that period
418
00:47:12,367 --> 00:47:18,363
They liked all the rock'n'roll stuff,
the quiffed back hairdos...
419
00:47:18,807 --> 00:47:22,641
the leather outfits, the shades
420
00:47:22,887 --> 00:47:27,961
They weren't really rockers or mods,
they were something in the middle
421
00:47:28,207 --> 00:47:32,485
They called themselves 'exies' -
existentialists
422
00:47:33,207 --> 00:47:35,277
They were art students really
423
00:48:42,887 --> 00:48:45,196
Our best work was never recorded
424
00:48:45,447 --> 00:48:49,360
We were performers in Liverpool,
Hamburg and round the dance halls
425
00:48:49,607 --> 00:48:52,485
What we generated was fantastic
426
00:48:55,247 --> 00:48:59,320
I was 17 when we first went out there
and went to the Indra Club
427
00:48:59,567 --> 00:49:02,843
and then got moved
to the Kaiserkeller
428
00:49:03,087 --> 00:49:07,205
That ended up with us getting
the gig to go to the Top Ten Club
429
00:49:07,447 --> 00:49:11,440
Right before that happened,
I got busted for being under age
430
00:49:11,687 --> 00:49:17,159
They had this situation in Germany
I'd never come across before
431
00:49:17,407 --> 00:49:19,398
which was a curfew
432
00:49:19,647 --> 00:49:24,880
After 10 o'clock at night
anybody under 18 had to get out
433
00:49:25,127 --> 00:49:30,360
I was only 17, I was in the band
and I started getting worried
434
00:49:30,607 --> 00:49:36,125
Eventually somebody found out
we didn't have any work permits or visas
435
00:49:36,367 --> 00:49:38,835
so they started closing in on us
436
00:49:39,087 --> 00:49:43,126
The Police came one day
and they just booted me out
437
00:49:43,367 --> 00:49:47,724
That was at a critical time
because we'd decided -
438
00:49:47,967 --> 00:49:50,322
we'd been offered a job
to go to this other club
439
00:49:52,407 --> 00:49:55,797
The Top Ten was the club
we were ambitious to play at
440
00:49:56,327 --> 00:50:02,323
It was a slightly better club,
it was on the main Reeperbahn
441
00:50:02,967 --> 00:50:09,156
As we were leaving, me and Pete Best
were packing up-the last to leave
442
00:50:09,407 --> 00:50:13,446
He found a condom in his luggage
443
00:50:13,687 --> 00:50:18,807
What we did, just for a laugh,
outside in the corrider -
444
00:50:19,047 --> 00:50:22,005
concrete, nothing could
have caught fire at all -
445
00:50:22,247 --> 00:50:25,842
we pinned it up on the wall
and for a boyish prank we set fire to it
446
00:50:26,087 --> 00:50:30,126
So it left a little sort of black
rubber stain on the wall
447
00:50:30,367 --> 00:50:35,122
That was like "Right, we're going,
hey hey, on to better things"
448
00:50:35,367 --> 00:50:40,441
The fella wasn't pleased we were going
to the new club anyway
449
00:50:40,687 --> 00:50:44,680
because we were taking
all our business, all his business
450
00:50:44,927 --> 00:50:48,920
So he rang the police and we were
just walking down the Reeperbahn
451
00:50:52,007 --> 00:50:56,717
We were put in jail for about 3 hours -
first time in our lives
452
00:50:56,967 --> 00:50:58,958
Bloody hell, a German jail!
453
00:51:02,807 --> 00:51:06,561
The new club owners
where we were going to
454
00:51:06,807 --> 00:51:10,197
gave them a bottle of scotch
or something and got us out
455
00:51:10,647 --> 00:51:15,084
Well, Paul and Pete got deported
456
00:51:15,327 --> 00:51:18,842
for burning the condom on the wall
457
00:51:19,087 --> 00:51:23,638
So they were back before me,
and John got back about two days later
458
00:51:23,887 --> 00:51:29,996
I was really happy, thinking, oh great!
That's the supportive nature you see
459
00:51:30,247 --> 00:51:36,686
Stuart stayed there 'cos he decided
to get verheiratet with Astrid
460
00:51:37,807 --> 00:51:42,483
We went back when I was 18,
we were backing up Tony Sheridan
461
00:51:42,727 --> 00:51:46,766
At that point this fella came into the club
462
00:51:47,007 --> 00:51:52,798
They said he's a famous producer
and musician, Bert Kaempfert
463
00:51:53,287 --> 00:51:57,803
His claim to fame was he had
a number 1 hit in America
464
00:51:58,047 --> 00:52:00,038
Not only was he a record producer
465
00:52:00,287 --> 00:52:04,041
but he had a hit in America
called Wonderland by Night
466
00:52:04,287 --> 00:52:06,926
It turned out to be a trumpet solo
467
00:52:07,167 --> 00:52:11,957
He came in and this buzz went around
"We've got to be really good
468
00:52:12,207 --> 00:52:15,199
"We may get a chance to record" -
which we did
469
00:52:15,447 --> 00:52:21,124
He came back and asked us to come in
the studio with Sheridan and record
470
00:52:21,367 --> 00:52:23,835
We were all pleased with ourselves
471
00:52:24,087 --> 00:52:28,285
But he just wanted us
to back up Sheridan
472
00:52:28,527 --> 00:52:32,440
I remember feeling depressed
but we did get to do My Bonnie
473
00:52:57,167 --> 00:53:00,557
While we were out there,
we started to see other groups
474
00:53:00,807 --> 00:53:06,518
and started to get a little bit
dissatisfied with Pete
475
00:53:06,847 --> 00:53:13,002
I remember him not turning up for gigs
and we kept getting Ringo in
476
00:53:13,367 --> 00:53:17,406
Ringo Starr, who changed his name
before all of us
477
00:53:17,647 --> 00:53:22,767
He had a beard and was grown up
and had a Zephyr Zodiac
478
00:53:23,007 --> 00:53:26,477
which was a very big car in those days
479
00:53:26,727 --> 00:53:29,525
Nobody had this,
it was a knock-off probably
480
00:53:29,767 --> 00:53:32,839
Fell off the back of a showroom
481
00:53:34,967 --> 00:53:39,916
Ringo kept sitting in with the band
and it seemed like this was it
482
00:53:40,247 --> 00:53:44,240
This happened 3 or 4 times and then
that was the end, we were just pals
483
00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:48,480
We'd have a drink after it
and then I'd be back with Rory
484
00:53:48,727 --> 00:53:51,924
Around this time Stuart and I
got a little bit fraught too
485
00:53:52,167 --> 00:53:57,400
I claim that I was trying to make sure
we were musically very good
486
00:53:57,647 --> 00:54:00,445
but this did create a couple of rifts
487
00:54:00,687 --> 00:54:05,158
I could have been more sensitive
but who's sensitive at that age
488
00:54:05,887 --> 00:54:11,439
When we first met him he couldn't
play at all-when he first got a bass
489
00:54:11,687 --> 00:54:16,442
He learned a few tunes -
occasionally it was a bit embarrassing
490
00:54:16,687 --> 00:54:21,283
If it had a lot of changes to it
he was... but he knew that too
491
00:54:21,527 --> 00:54:25,566
That's why he was never really
at ease being in the band
492
00:54:25,807 --> 00:54:30,722
That's why he left after the gig in Hamburg -
to go back to art college
493
00:54:30,967 --> 00:54:34,516
At that point Paul was still playing guitar
494
00:54:34,767 --> 00:54:38,476
I remember saying "One of us
is going to be the bass player"
495
00:54:38,727 --> 00:54:42,766
I said I'm not doing it
and John wasn't doing it either
496
00:54:43,007 --> 00:54:44,998
He went for it
497
00:54:53,287 --> 00:54:57,200
He became the bass player
so then we were a four-piece band
498
00:55:05,927 --> 00:55:10,637
In Liverpool we got quite a few bookings -
they thought we were German
499
00:55:10,887 --> 00:55:15,278
They billed us from Hamburg
and said "You speak good English"
500
00:55:15,527 --> 00:55:19,600
We went back to Germany. We had a bit
more money so bought leather pants
501
00:55:19,847 --> 00:55:24,045
We looked like 4 Gene Vincents,
only a bit younger, I think
502
00:55:24,287 --> 00:55:30,840
Back in Liverpool, all the groups
were doing this Shadows stuff
503
00:55:32,327 --> 00:55:36,240
The Shadows
504
00:55:37,767 --> 00:55:41,442
That's why we became popular
because they couldn't believe it
505
00:55:41,687 --> 00:55:43,484
There were all
these dum de dum de dum...
506
00:55:46,047 --> 00:55:49,881
and then suddenly we come on -
wild men in leather suits
507
00:55:52,967 --> 00:55:56,039
I think Pete Best said to them
508
00:55:56,287 --> 00:56:01,281
that I'd drive them to the gigs and stuff
509
00:56:01,527 --> 00:56:05,520
I think I got a pound a night,
or a pound a gig
510
00:56:05,767 --> 00:56:07,837
Five bob off each of them
511
00:56:08,087 --> 00:56:12,683
They needed transport to get
to the Cavern and wherever
512
00:56:13,567 --> 00:56:17,276
We played the Cavern before
we ever went to Hamburg, I believe,
513
00:56:17,527 --> 00:56:21,805
in the days when it was
a jazz and folk club
514
00:56:23,287 --> 00:56:28,566
I remember playing there
and them handing us notes saying:
515
00:56:29,127 --> 00:56:33,325
"Stop playing this music,
this is a jazz club"
516
00:56:34,407 --> 00:56:40,323
We were saying "We'd like to do
this tune by Leadbelly
517
00:56:40,567 --> 00:56:43,365
"It's called Long Tall Sally"
518
00:56:43,607 --> 00:56:46,963
We'd do it...
and finally they kicked us off
519
00:57:04,527 --> 00:57:07,200
The Cavern is their home
520
00:57:07,447 --> 00:57:12,043
Cathy - A Fan
from the Cavern Club
It's where they first started
and where they've played most
521
00:57:13,047 --> 00:57:17,643
I've had a couple of requests
to do Kansas City so we'd like to do it
522
00:57:22,967 --> 00:57:27,324
We did well at the Cavern
and attracted some big audiences
523
00:57:28,087 --> 00:57:30,203
And the word got around
524
00:57:30,727 --> 00:57:34,959
A kid had gone into Brian's record store
and had asked for My Bonnie
525
00:57:35,487 --> 00:57:39,685
He found out that the Beatles
were supposed to be a Liverpool band
526
00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:43,358
and were playing the Cavern
so he came down to check us out
527
00:57:43,887 --> 00:57:47,641
I remember Bob Wooler,
the disc jockey, saying:
528
00:57:48,647 --> 00:57:52,242
"We have a Mr Epstein
who owns NEMS Enterprises in here"
529
00:57:52,487 --> 00:57:56,765
Everybody was going
"Ooh, wow, big, big deal"
530
00:58:02,407 --> 00:58:05,683
This was quite a new world for me
531
00:58:05,927 --> 00:58:09,886
I was amazed
by this sort of dark, smoky...
532
00:58:10,367 --> 00:58:15,487
dank atmosphere
with this beat music playing away
533
00:58:16,487 --> 00:58:22,926
Brian Epstein
The Beatles were then just four lads
on that rather dimly lit stage
534
00:58:23,727 --> 00:58:25,718
somewhat ill-clad
535
00:58:25,967 --> 00:58:30,518
Their presentation left a little
to be desired as far as I was concerned
536
00:58:30,767 --> 00:58:34,965
I'd been interested in the theatre
and acting for a long time
537
00:58:35,207 --> 00:58:40,565
but amongst all that,
something tremendous came over
538
00:58:40,807 --> 00:58:43,958
I was immediately struck by their music
539
00:58:44,207 --> 00:58:47,324
their beat and sense of humour on stage
540
00:58:47,567 --> 00:58:52,004
Even when I met them I was struck
again by their personal charm
541
00:58:52,247 --> 00:58:55,876
It was there that really it all started
542
00:58:56,847 --> 00:59:01,637
Brian had this shop. And it was good -
we used to pick up records
543
00:59:01,887 --> 00:59:07,883
He wanted to manage us and we weren't
going anywhere anyway
544
00:59:08,287 --> 00:59:13,486
We said you might as well. He got us jobs,
he got us a bit more money
545
00:59:13,727 --> 00:59:18,881
then started getting us radio shows
and things like that
546
00:59:19,127 --> 00:59:24,963
Then we got into our suits -
he talked us out of the leather suits
547
00:59:25,487 --> 00:59:29,480
It was a bit old hat anyway,
all wearing leather gear
548
00:59:29,727 --> 00:59:34,357
and we decided
we didn't want to look ridiculous
549
00:59:34,607 --> 00:59:37,599
Often people would laugh
550
00:59:37,847 --> 00:59:41,317
and we didn't want to appear
as a gang of idiots
551
00:59:41,567 --> 00:59:45,116
Brian suggested that
we just wore ordinary suits
552
00:59:46,247 --> 00:59:51,241
It was later put around that I'd betrayed
our heavy leather image
553
00:59:51,487 --> 00:59:54,240
and I wanted us to get suits
554
00:59:54,487 --> 00:59:58,002
but I seem to recall
that we all went quite happily
555
00:59:58,247 --> 01:00:02,718
I didn't drag anyone to the tailors,
they all went quite happily
556
01:00:03,607 --> 01:00:07,395
We gladly switched into suits
557
01:00:07,647 --> 01:00:11,322
if we were going to get more money,
get some more gigs
558
01:00:11,567 --> 01:00:14,559
Brian was a beautiful guy - Brian Epstein
559
01:00:14,807 --> 01:00:17,401
An intuitive, theatrical guy
560
01:00:17,647 --> 01:00:20,559
He knew we had something
and he presented us well
561
01:00:21,727 --> 01:00:26,881
I remember we had to drive to London
on New Year's Eve
562
01:00:27,127 --> 01:00:32,759
and we did a session for Decca,
an audition for Decca
563
01:00:34,287 --> 01:00:39,042
Decca Audition Tape
Recorded New Year's Day 1962
564
01:01:18,607 --> 01:01:20,882
When you hear the tape, it's pretty good
565
01:01:21,127 --> 01:01:24,358
It's not great
but it's certainly good for then
566
01:01:24,887 --> 01:01:28,800
Dick Rowe, the man who didn't sign us -
the head of Decca -
567
01:01:29,047 --> 01:01:33,279
said "Guitar groups
are on the way out, Mr Epstein"
568
01:01:50,087 --> 01:01:53,875
So Brian then had this tape
which he hawked around
569
01:01:54,127 --> 01:01:59,281
I think somebody in the HMV shop
on Oxford Street
570
01:02:00,087 --> 01:02:04,365
knew George Martin and told Brian
to go and play the tape to him
571
01:02:04,607 --> 01:02:08,282
and he gave us the audition at Abbey Road
572
01:02:08,607 --> 01:02:13,761
George hadn't done rock'n'roll
and we'd never been in a studio
573
01:02:13,887 --> 01:02:16,355
So we learnt a lot together
574
01:02:16,487 --> 01:02:20,878
He had a great musical knowledge
and background
575
01:02:21,727 --> 01:02:27,723
They were fairly irreverent,
even in those days, which I loved
576
01:02:27,967 --> 01:02:32,757
I like a bit of rebel in people
and I liked their sense of humour
577
01:02:33,007 --> 01:02:36,079
After all, that was my main
stock-in-trade too
578
01:02:36,327 --> 01:02:41,242
They liked what I'd been doing
with Peter Sellers and the Goons
579
01:02:41,487 --> 01:02:44,843
George Martin
Record Producer
I thought they had tremendous charisma
580
01:02:45,087 --> 01:02:48,238
I knew that that alone would sell them
581
01:02:48,727 --> 01:02:53,596
We did a reasonable audition
but he didn't like our drummer
582
01:02:54,127 --> 01:02:57,676
I said to Brian Epstein if...
when we do the next session
583
01:02:57,927 --> 01:03:02,443
I won't interfere with you and the Beatles
but I'll provide the drummer
584
01:03:03,167 --> 01:03:08,764
We really started to think we needed
"the great drummer" in Liverpool
585
01:03:09,527 --> 01:03:13,679
Historically it may look like
we did something nasty to Pete
586
01:03:13,927 --> 01:03:18,125
It may have been we could have
done it better but the thing was -
587
01:03:18,367 --> 01:03:22,519
as history also shows -
Ringo was the member of the band
588
01:03:22,767 --> 01:03:29,002
It's just that he didn't enter the film
until that particular scene
589
01:03:30,687 --> 01:03:33,884
It was a Wednesday and Brian called
590
01:03:34,127 --> 01:03:38,678
I don't remember John calling,
although it's in somebody's book
591
01:03:39,087 --> 01:03:42,284
"Would you join the band?"
592
01:03:42,527 --> 01:03:46,566
I said "What do you mean?"
and he said "Really join the band"
593
01:03:46,807 --> 01:03:50,846
I said "Sure, yeah, when?"
and he said now
594
01:03:51,087 --> 01:03:55,126
I said "No, I can't do that -
we've got these other four guys here
595
01:03:55,367 --> 01:03:59,406
"We'd got a gig for months
and I can't just pull out now"
596
01:03:59,647 --> 01:04:02,605
So I said "I'll join you Saturday"
597
01:04:02,847 --> 01:04:07,045
We used to have Saturday off.
That's when they changed the campers
598
01:04:07,287 --> 01:04:10,996
So I gave Rory until Saturday
to bring someone in for Sunday
599
01:04:11,247 --> 01:04:16,719
which I thought was giving him
a hell of a lot of time, and that was it
600
01:04:27,167 --> 01:04:31,001
We played the Cavern -
there was a lot of fighting and shouting
601
01:04:31,247 --> 01:04:33,920
Half of them hated me,
half of them loved me
602
01:04:34,567 --> 01:04:39,322
A few people shouted
"Ringo never, Pete Best for ever"
603
01:04:39,567 --> 01:04:45,597
After about half an hour I said
"Oh, bugger off", and stepped out...
604
01:04:45,847 --> 01:04:49,283
The Cavern had three tunnels
605
01:04:49,527 --> 01:04:53,361
We stepped out of what was
the dressing room into this dark tunnel
606
01:04:53,607 --> 01:04:56,599
and some guy butted me right in the eye
607
01:04:57,567 --> 01:05:02,561
That was a bad day -
and then I got hit by a bus
608
01:05:03,047 --> 01:05:05,038
George fought for me
609
01:05:05,407 --> 01:05:10,401
At this midday session at the Cavern
we proudly present the Beatles
610
01:05:10,687 --> 01:05:15,477
The Cavern Club
22nd August 1962
611
01:07:08,447 --> 01:07:10,438
We want Pete!
612
01:07:12,647 --> 01:07:16,196
When Ringo came to the session
for the first time
613
01:07:16,447 --> 01:07:19,245
nobody told me he was coming
614
01:07:19,487 --> 01:07:23,241
I'd booked Andy White
and told Brian Epstein I was doing this
615
01:07:23,487 --> 01:07:25,603
I said I just want the three others
616
01:07:25,847 --> 01:07:31,001
Ringo expected to play and I said,
"No, I've been bitten once
617
01:07:31,247 --> 01:07:34,239
"I don't even know who you are.
We're having Andy White"
618
01:07:37,127 --> 01:07:41,518
I was devastated.
I came down ready to roll
619
01:07:41,767 --> 01:07:44,759
and..."We've got Andy White,
the professional drummer"
620
01:07:45,847 --> 01:07:50,523
But he's apologised several times since,
has old George Martin
621
01:07:50,767 --> 01:07:55,682
But it was devastating and then we
did that, which Andy plays on
622
01:07:55,927 --> 01:08:00,443
Then we did the album, which I play on
623
01:08:00,687 --> 01:08:04,680
So Andy wasn't doing anything so great
624
01:08:04,927 --> 01:08:08,078
Well, nothing I couldn't copy
when we did the album
625
01:08:08,807 --> 01:08:11,560
Ringo bears those scars to this day
626
01:08:11,807 --> 01:08:13,843
He says "You didn't
let me play, did you?"
627
01:10:35,247 --> 01:10:39,365
Their first record, Love Me Do
sold 100000 copies
628
01:10:39,887 --> 01:10:44,881
It came to the charts in two days
and everybody thought it was a fiddle
629
01:10:45,127 --> 01:10:50,599
because our Manager's stores
send in these record returns
630
01:10:50,847 --> 01:10:55,318
Everybody down south
thought he was buying them himself
631
01:10:55,567 --> 01:10:59,116
or fiddling the charts-but he wasn't
632
01:10:59,647 --> 01:11:03,003
It was bought by the kids.
We had a big following
633
01:11:03,247 --> 01:11:07,957
Who'd had a record? Arthur Askey
was the last, I think, from Liverpool
634
01:11:08,687 --> 01:11:11,679
It got to 17 within the following weeks
635
01:11:11,927 --> 01:11:16,125
I don't recall what happened to it then,
it probably just died off
636
01:11:16,367 --> 01:11:20,883
but the next time we went to EMI
they were really more friendly
637
01:11:21,127 --> 01:11:24,642
"Oh, hello lads, come in"
638
01:11:27,687 --> 01:11:32,078
It was quite normal in those days
to find material for artists
639
01:11:32,327 --> 01:11:36,400
by going to Tin Pan Alley
and listening to all the publishers' wares
640
01:11:36,647 --> 01:11:40,720
That was a regular part of my life.
I'd spend ages looking for songs
641
01:11:40,967 --> 01:11:44,403
And for the Beatles
I was really looking for a hit song
642
01:11:44,647 --> 01:11:47,719
It didn't matter
so long as it suited the group
643
01:11:47,967 --> 01:11:51,846
Love Me Do was the best one
they were able to offer
644
01:11:52,087 --> 01:11:56,842
I found the kind of song I was looking for -
one by Mitch Murray
645
01:11:57,087 --> 01:12:00,636
called How Do You Do lt?
and I was convinced this was a hit song
646
01:12:07,367 --> 01:12:12,236
It wasn't the most marvellous song
I'd ever heard in my life
647
01:12:12,487 --> 01:12:17,083
but it had that essential element
to appeal to a lot of people
648
01:12:17,327 --> 01:12:20,080
and we did record it - John took the lead
649
01:12:31,567 --> 01:12:35,685
George said "If you want
a number 1 song, this is it"
650
01:12:35,927 --> 01:12:40,398
We said "Yeah, but we can't go back
to Liverpool singing that
651
01:12:40,647 --> 01:12:42,763
"We cannot be seen with that song"
652
01:12:43,527 --> 01:12:45,757
So we never issued it
653
01:12:46,007 --> 01:12:50,125
I gave it to Gerry and the Pacemakers
and it did become number 1
654
01:13:01,607 --> 01:13:05,236
George Martin asked if we'd anything
we'd like to do
655
01:13:05,487 --> 01:13:07,045
We'd got a song
called Please Please Me
656
01:13:07,287 --> 01:13:12,645
John had just written it,
a slow Roy Orbison kind of thing
657
01:13:12,887 --> 01:13:18,757
"Come on, please please me."
Big note at the end, just like Orbison
658
01:13:19,567 --> 01:13:24,482
I'd heard him doing Only The Lonely
and I was trying to..."Please Me"
659
01:13:24,727 --> 01:13:28,925
and I was always intrigued
by the words of...
660
01:13:29,167 --> 01:13:33,683
"Please lend your little ears to my pleas,"
a Bing Crosby song
661
01:13:33,927 --> 01:13:37,920
I was always intrigued by the
double use of the word 'please'
662
01:13:38,487 --> 01:13:42,400
And I said, OK. Let's try your song,
let's see if it works
663
01:13:42,647 --> 01:13:46,242
At the end of the session
I was able to say to them:
664
01:13:46,487 --> 01:13:49,081
"You've got your first number 1. Great!"
665
01:15:39,687 --> 01:15:45,398
Bob Wooler got on the stage,
telegram in hand: "I've got news for you"
666
01:15:45,647 --> 01:15:49,435
He looked terrible, we thought
something disastrous had happened
667
01:15:49,687 --> 01:15:56,035
"Please Please Me has reached number 1
in the national charts"
668
01:15:56,287 --> 01:15:59,677
The lads themselves
just stopped and looked at him
669
01:15:59,927 --> 01:16:04,717
They thought he was joking -
he must have been
670
01:16:04,967 --> 01:16:10,121
Lots of people who didn't know the Beatles
started cheering and clapping
671
01:16:10,367 --> 01:16:13,359
Three rows of girls at the front
all started crying
672
01:16:13,607 --> 01:16:16,280
It was a terrible night
673
01:16:16,527 --> 01:16:19,519
We knew then,
they'll get famous and go away
674
01:16:19,767 --> 01:16:22,361
They won't belong to us no more
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