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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,320 Welcome to the Messe Centre here in Zurich, 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,680 as FIFA's Executive Committee vote on the World Cup bids. 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,960 The World Cup is beloved by hundreds of millions of people. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,440 And rumours of corruption have swirled around it for decades. 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,800 As you can see, everybody's gathered and really excited. 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,040 This is the first time they've actually announced two hosts simultaneously. 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,640 It is now my pleasure to welcome on stage the President of FIFA. 8 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,720 Sepp Blatter was the guy at the top. He set the tone. 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,040 FIFA is not corrupt. People in FIFA were corrupt. 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,720 The 2018 FIFA World Cup will be organised in... 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,040 Russia. 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,960 What we were investigating were closely guarded secrets 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,440 held at the highest level of some of the world's most powerful governments. 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Russia has won 2018. We move on to 2022. 15 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,240 The winner is... Qatar. 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,400 That is astonishing! 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,640 What the Qataris and the Russians were doing was corruption on an industrial scale. 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,000 In football, to get the World Cup, everything is possible. 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,040 I understood what was happening, that this was bribes. 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,920 It all comes down to money. 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,520 People who have even a casual understanding of what FIFA represents 22 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,240 associate it with corruption and cronyism 23 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,200 and a lack of transparency. 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,440 FIFA's corrupt. I don't know what's going on. 25 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,120 World organisation FIFA is incredibly corrupt. 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,600 FIFA is corrupt to its core and probably all the way to the top. 27 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,160 Many people will look at Sepp Blatter as the most despicable man in world sport. 28 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Fraud, bribes, money laundering, racketeering. You name it. 29 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Somewhere, sooner or later, somebody is gonna get caught in FIFA. 30 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,920 What has been revealed so far is a Mafia-style crime syndicate. 31 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,840 My only hesitation in using that term 32 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,160 is that it is almost insulting to the Mafia. 33 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,920 I always say that being an investigative journalist isn't a proper grown-up job 34 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,440 because it's too much of a caper, it's too much fun. 35 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Just the ability to cause trouble for people 36 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,520 who are wielding power corruptly 37 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,200 and to stick up for ordinary people who are getting screwed over. 38 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,000 It's a really thrilling feeling. 39 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,600 My name is Heidi Blake. 40 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,200 I worked for the Sunday Times Insight Investigations Team for about three-and-a-half years. 41 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,120 We are the part of the newspaper which is given more time 42 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,120 to investigate longer-term projects. 43 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,440 I'm Jonathan Calvert, 44 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,000 I'm the Insight editor of the Sunday Times. 45 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,520 Corruption is an awful thing in the world. 46 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,080 In order to encourage reform, you've got to open up the truth. 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,640 In 2014, Jonathan and I were approached by a trusted source 48 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,720 who we'd worked with previously, 49 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,600 who told us that they were in contact with someone 50 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,160 who had access to a vast cache of documents, 51 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,960 which they said could potentially blow the lid off 52 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,840 the Qatari bid to host the World Cup. 53 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,880 We started off being written off, being the unconventional bid. 54 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,680 No one saw that we had a chance to win. 55 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Countries campaign very hard to win the right to host the World Cup 56 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,120 because it is the biggest event, in terms of sports, in the world. 57 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,040 The World Cup goes far beyond football. 58 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,760 It brings the whole planet together for four weeks every four years. 59 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Football is a global language. 60 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,960 If you want to connect people emotionally, 61 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,240 if you want to connect them culturally, 62 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,960 then use their game. 63 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,640 You know, kick a ball around. 64 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,240 Looking for Klinsmann, ever aware of his presence. 65 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Klinsmann with it, turns... scores! 66 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,400 What a goal! 67 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Where the World Cup is played really mans a lot to the country, the federation. 68 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,640 It means a lot to the growth of soccer in that area. 69 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,520 But while the host company certainly reaps benefits, 70 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,760 the single greatest benefactor of the World Cup is FIFA. 71 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,800 It's their event. 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,880 And it is the biggest driver of revenue for that organisation 73 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,960 and has been for quite a while. 74 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,920 I'm so not a football fan that embarking on this story, 75 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,880 Why do people care about football? 76 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,960 What is exciting about football? 77 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,880 When I started to realise just how corrupt world football really was, 78 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,960 that's when I got interested. 79 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,600 We met the source in a London hotel. 80 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,760 They were keen for us to go ahead but there were conditions. 81 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:25,480 They weren't just gonna hand the information over to us, 82 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,000 it was too sensitive. 83 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,880 Which meant that we couldn't have them in our office 84 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,240 and we had to go a long way outside London 85 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,880 and view them on the computers belonging to the source, 86 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,040 in a tiny office which we called "the bunker". 87 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,040 We had to operate under intense secrecy. 88 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,800 We weren't even allowed to tell our friends and family what we were working on or even where we were. 89 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,880 We were monitored constantly by CCTV. 90 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,960 All of our activity was monitored by a keystroke monitor on our computers. 91 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,360 We could not download anything. 92 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,320 We could access and view the files but we couldn't take anything away. 93 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,000 In the world of FIFA, it was entirely plausible 94 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,200 that there could be people watching, 95 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:10,120 that people would be trying to discover who our source was. 96 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,680 And it was important that we kept it secret. 97 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,640 So it was kind of under those conditions that we began our research 98 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,720 to understand the organisation of FIFA and its structure and history. 99 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,400 I had the privilege I was in FIFA during extremely interesting times. 100 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,920 And I could observe much more than probably other people could observe. 101 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,120 My name is Guido Tognoni, I was Media Officer in FIFA. 102 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,480 My job was to give FIFA an international image 103 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,160 to create football as No.1 sport in the world. 104 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 When I started with FIFA in '84, nobody knew FIFA. 105 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,280 FIFA is the governing body of world soccer. 106 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,160 It has 211 member nations and six different confederations 107 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,520 which are the continental areas that make up those member nations. 108 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,840 FIFA started from scratch, it was an amateur association. 109 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,920 And then the Brazilian Joao Havelange became president in 1974. 110 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Havelange was the President of FIFA for decades 111 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,800 and really oversaw its growth. 112 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,760 But the brain of football was in Zurich 113 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,120 with the former General Secretary Sepp Blatter. 114 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,240 Et voila. 115 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,640 Football is at its best, I would say, in the organisation today. 116 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,960 I am proud of what I have done. 117 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Sepp Blatter is the twinkly-eyed, grandfatherly, 118 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,040 white-haired overlord of world football. 119 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 A man who's cultivated this kind of avuncular image 120 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,720 but who actually is a rapacious powerbroker. 121 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Sepp Blatter is a master at patronage politics. 122 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,040 He knows how to play this game, how to work it. 123 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,920 He is FIFA, his whole life is FIFA. He can survive any controversy. 124 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,040 I am a positive human being. 125 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:24,840 Smiling is the best weapon to show your teeth to your opponent. 126 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Together with his predecessor, Joao Havelange, 127 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Blatter revolutionised the world of football. 128 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,200 Every single country in the world, pretty much, 129 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,280 has its own football association. 130 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Regardless of the population of the country, 131 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,760 every single member association has one vote at the FIFA Congress. 132 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,960 So a country like Brazil with a couple of hundred million people 133 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,120 has one vote for the FIFA Presidency. 134 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,880 So does the Caribbean island of Montserrat with a population of 5,000 135 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,320 And that means there's huge power concentrated in parts of the world 136 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,320 where you have lots of countries with tiny populations. 137 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,440 Havelange looked and said, "Africa's got 50-some nations 138 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,520 that each have one vote." 139 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,680 It was a politically calculated move 140 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,600 that we're going to go to a country 141 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,960 and we're going to say, "What do you need? 142 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,320 And in return, when it comes time to vote for re-election, 143 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,400 you're gonna give me your vote." 144 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Havelange doled out vast sums of development money 145 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,840 to football associations around the world. 146 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,640 In doing that, he secured the loyalty of voters at the FIFA Congress 147 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,920 who could be relied upon to back him in successive presidential elections. 148 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,520 There's a culture of bribery and patronage 149 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,720 that Sepp Blatter and his mentor Havelange established within FIFA 150 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,600 that just meant that nobody even really stopped to think 151 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:50,480 that what they were doing was wrong. 152 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Blatter and Havelange accepted bribery as part of the system. 153 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,040 They built their power on bribery 154 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,840 and they observed the corruption growing and growing 155 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,960 and they never intervened against it. 156 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,160 They not only ignored it, they even cultivated it. 157 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,920 And this is where the tiny Gulf state of Qatar comes into the story. 158 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Because when Blatter stood to be the President of FIFA in 1998, 159 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,040 he won with help from Qatar's top football official, 160 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Mohamed bin Hammam. 161 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,720 Mohamed bin Hammam was one of the most powerful figures in world football. 162 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,080 For many years, he was the President of the Asian Football Confederation. 163 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,840 He is a billionaire in his own right. 164 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,960 It was bin Hammam who bankrolled Sepp Blatter's campaign for the presidency in 1998. 165 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,600 Blatter and bin Hammam were close friends in those days. 166 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:51,200 Blatter had many friends - as long as they were helpful for him. 167 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,160 And bin Hammam himself, he liked to help people. 168 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,480 Bin Hammam would also help you if you were in trouble. He's that type of person. 169 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,520 How are you? Fine, thank you. 170 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Welcome to Doha. Thank you very much. 171 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,760 And thanks to bin Hammam, 172 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Blatter was able to satisfy the needs of the African delegates. 173 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,360 There were a crucial series of meetings that bin Hammam held 174 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,840 in a hotel suite on the eve of the election, 175 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,800 where the leaders of African football were invited 176 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,960 to a private audience with bin Hammam. 177 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Rumours swirled that bin Hammam was generous in doling out brown envelopes stuffed full of cash. 178 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,640 Blatter didn't pay bribes himself. 179 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,320 So when he says to anybody, "I didn't pay, didn't bribe anybody" 180 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,560 then literally, he's right. 181 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,960 But money was given. This is a fact. 182 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,200 Mohamed bin Hammam is a character who came to really fascinate me 183 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,480 and Jonathan in the course of our research. 184 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,320 He was born into a relatively ordinary family in Qatar 185 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,560 and he really was a self-made billionaire. 186 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,600 He set up a construction company in Doha in the '70s, Kemco, 187 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,200 and won a load of state contracts to build the skyscrapers 188 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,880 which were then shooting up all over the city. 189 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,480 At the same time, he was a real lover of football, which was rare in Qatar. 190 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,200 As a young entrepreneur in his early 20s, 191 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,200 he took on the role of managing a local football club 192 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,040 and was hugely successful, 193 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,280 managed to steer the club from absolutely nowhere 194 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,960 to winning a whole load of leagues. 195 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,400 And in doing so, he caught the attention of the then Crown Prince, 196 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,480 who later became the Emir of Qatar. 197 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,200 For a long time, Qatar was relatively undeveloped. 198 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,760 In the 1950s, they started to discover liquid petroleum gas, 199 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,640 which was the thing that would make the country enormously wealthy, 200 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,160 especially the Qatar Royal Family. 201 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Qatar is a rigidly hierarchical society 202 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:00,680 with the Royal Family at the apex. 203 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:06,600 It runs a sovereign wealth fund which holds huge real estate holdings 204 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:09,800 in New York, London, across Europe and around the world. 205 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,040 During the course of the investigation, 206 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,200 we realised just how much they owned. 207 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,280 The Shard is owned by the Qataris. 208 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Canary Wharf is owned by the Qataris 209 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,000 and this building is owned by the Qatar Investment Authority. 210 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,520 Bin Hammam got a place on the Emir's advisory counsel 211 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,600 and kind of became part of the Qatari elite. 212 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,240 But at the same time, he has a deeply subservient relationship with the Royal Family. 213 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,600 He had a nickname, actually. They called him "the Slave". 214 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,680 This was partly a really shocking reference 215 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,760 to his distant African ancestry. 216 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,080 And partly a reference to his slavish devotion to the Qatari Royal Family. 217 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,880 The Emir took over from his father determined to modernise Qatar, 218 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,960 to build Doha up, 219 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,960 to try to position Qatar as a major player on the world stage 220 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,800 by investing in the arts, in media and in sport. 221 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,400 And so bin Hammam became a key pawn in the Emir's strategy 222 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,600 to turn Qatar into a global powerhouse, 223 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:15,680 in this case in the field of sport. 224 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Working in any sporting event is amazing 225 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,320 because you're working with people from all over the world. 226 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,280 So it's a very gratifying thing to do. 227 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,520 My name's Phaedra Almajid and I was the Media Specialist for Qatar 2022. 228 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,960 Internally, what is the feeling among the Qatar bid team 229 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,440 about your chances to win the host rights? 230 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,080 It was always positive. 231 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,160 It was always positive. Um... 232 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,040 We had Mohamed bin Hammam. 233 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,000 I mean, that's number one. 234 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,480 Whatever we needed, we had. 235 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,280 No one had a budget. 236 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Qatar would do anything to win. 237 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Mohamed bin Hammam, at the beginning, he was himself critical 238 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,080 and asking himself whether Qatar was the right place to host a World Cup. 239 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,720 But if the Emir wants this, 240 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,920 then Mohamed bin Hammam has no choice than delivering. 241 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Qatar is a country where women are treated as second-class citizens, 242 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,120 where homosexuality is a punishable crime, 243 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,840 where the press is heavily censored. 244 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,360 FIFA conducted its own objective analysis of the various bids 245 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,240 which found that Qatar was an unsuitable place to host a World Cup 246 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,640 and a dangerous place to host a World Cup. 247 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,600 The summer temperatures would be a hazard to the health of the players 248 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,680 and the fans. 249 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,520 Doha simply didn't have space for the kind of stadium infrastructure 250 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,560 that was going to be required. 251 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,640 There was no football infrastructure at all in Qatar. 252 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,720 There were hardly any teams. 253 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,240 They would have to build nine new stadiums. 254 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,720 And there wasn't enough room for them in Doha 255 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,720 so they would have to kind of create a whole new city. 256 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,800 It has a large workforce of workers from countries like Nepal and India. 257 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,400 They work in punishing and dangerous conditions, 258 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,760 often on the construction sites which are building these many skyscrapers 259 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,840 which define the Doha landscape. 260 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,920 Foreign workers now outnumber Qataris by more than four to one. 261 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,280 They're kept on a tight leash by a system called kafala, 262 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,480 that gives the employer the right to decide where they work 263 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,560 and when or even if they can leave. 264 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,440 They are owned by another individual lock, stock and barrel. 265 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,920 That's slavery. 266 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,880 Sepp Blatter, in all fairness, didn't want to go to Qatar. 267 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,640 He wanted to go to Russia then to United States. 268 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,480 America changed the whole dynamics of the World Cup, 269 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,360 because America, when it hosted it in 1994, 270 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,600 it made so much money for FIFA. 271 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,040 I hope to have the chance to welcome all of you in 2022. 272 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,640 I told the President my idea, 273 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:11,200 that the World Cup 2022 shall go back to the United States. 274 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,880 We would not have this discussion if it came out as I wanted. 275 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,800 Sepp Blatter was the most powerful man in sports for a long time. 276 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,200 But when it came to making the most significant decisions, 277 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,760 the Executive Committee had all the power. 278 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,040 The Executive Committee, or ExCo, 279 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,720 was a group of a couple of dozen of the most powerful 280 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,800 leaders in world football. 281 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,640 It's incredibly powerful, particularly in relation to 282 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,840 the awarding of the rights to host a World Cup, 283 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,160 because that's a decision taken solely by the Executive Committee. 284 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,360 They decide in a secret ballot and they don't have to explain their decision 285 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,440 or be accountable for it in any way. 286 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,240 The FIFA Executive Committee was made up of quite a few extraordinary people. 287 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,040 So you'd have super-famous football players in Franz Beckenbauer 288 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,800 and Michel Platini. 289 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,320 At the same time, you'd have billionaires like Mohamed bin Hammam 290 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,600 and you'd also have some kind of football administrators 291 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,680 who'd found their way to the top. 292 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,560 If you were a country that was bidding for the World Cup, 293 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,880 you were only focused on these 24 people. 294 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,200 "How can I make them like me more?" 295 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,280 This was an unbelievable career. 296 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,880 They go to World Cups, they stay there for one month or six weeks, 297 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,960 they live like in a paradise. 298 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,920 They got the feeling they were the masters of the universe, 299 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,600 not only of football. 300 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,680 FIFA's international headquarters in Zurich 301 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,280 kind of resembled the lair of a Bond villain. 302 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,320 There's a couple of floors above ground 303 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,480 but the vast majority of the building is subterranean. 304 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,320 The members of the Executive Committee can meet in the centrepiece 305 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,200 which is its boardroom - again, underground, shrouded in darkness. 306 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,320 The men who control the game gather around a huge oval table, 307 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,400 a bit like the one in Dr Strangelove. 308 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,120 Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room! 309 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,320 There are those who will tell you of the supposed sordid secrets 310 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,000 that lie deep in our Bond villain headquarters 311 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,080 in the hills above Zurich. 312 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,040 They would have you believe that I sit in my office, 313 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:37,960 with a sinister grin, 314 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,880 gently stroking the chin of an expensive white Persian cat. 315 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,720 But it's not what we are. That's not FIFA. That's not me. 316 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,200 For almost as long as I can remember, 317 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,720 there have been questions about the ethics behind 318 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,280 how decisions were made by the Executive Committee 319 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,680 in terms of where the World Cup is held. 320 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,720 Almost all of the awards of World Cup hosting venues - 321 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,920 2002, 2006, 2010 - were tainted. 322 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,800 So the idea that FIFA was going to award two World Cups 323 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,880 in the same voting process 324 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,800 was rife with problems. 325 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,640 The reason our source trusted us with the Qatari documents 326 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,400 is because of my prior work investigating FIFA. 327 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:40,000 Back in 2010, somebody had told us there was corruption in the bidding 328 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,640 for the two World Cups which were 2018 and 2022. 329 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Doesn't want to zip all the way. 330 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,680 I decided that probably one of the most effective ways 331 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,040 of getting under the skin of FIFA was to go undercover. 332 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,160 My colleague and I pretended to be representatives 333 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,240 of a group of companies in America 334 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,400 that wanted the American bid to win. 335 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,120 We would organise meetings round the world with various FIFA executives 336 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,120 and get them talking about what it would take to win. 337 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,600 When it comes to talking about things like corruption and bribes, 338 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,400 people are very circumspect, they don't normally say it outright. 339 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,160 What was extraordinary about this was just how open everyone was 340 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,240 about the culture of bribery. 341 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,960 It was as if it was expected that this was the moment 342 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,920 when they could earn their fortune. 343 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,080 And this was their payback for being loyal and supportive of Sepp Blatter 344 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,040 We wrote our story and it went around the world, it was huge. 345 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:54,400 Football's world governing body FIFA says it's investigating allegations 346 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,560 made in the Sunday Times that two of its officials agreed 347 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,960 to sell their votes in the contest to host the 2018 World Cup. 348 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,640 Are you pleased at what the Sunday Times did 349 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,680 in uncovering corruption inside FIFA? 350 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,520 No, I am not pleased about that 351 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,360 because this is not very fair. 352 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Football's world governing body, FIFA, has suspended two members of its Executive Committee. 353 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,640 When FIFA's Executive Committee decides the destinations 354 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,520 of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, 355 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,760 there will now be just 22 men, not 24, entitled to vote. 356 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,440 What we did was really hated by the FIFA Executive Committee members. 357 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,720 Blatter had to keep them onside so he had to attack us as well, 358 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,040 even though all we'd done is actually exposed the corruption. 359 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,840 What can you do against the international media 360 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,920 saying FIFA is corrupt? 361 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960 FIFA is not corrupt. 362 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,040 People in FIFA were corrupt. 363 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,880 But as they were members of FIFA, 364 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,520 naturally they say, 365 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,080 "Who is responsible? It's the President." 366 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,560 When we were in the bunker, 367 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,640 I remember being quite paranoid. 368 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,400 We'd work from kind of early in the morning till way past dark at night. 369 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,680 We'd go home and I'd wonder who the people in the car park were 370 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,280 who were watching us. 371 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,200 FIFA is a very cloak and dagger world. 372 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,960 We were having to operate ourselves in a very cloak and dagger way. 373 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,760 Working under those conditions at length - we were there three months - 374 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,320 does start to get to you. 375 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,800 We'd been given a huge cache of emails and documents and bills 376 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,360 and flight records and all sorts of things. 377 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560 It all centred on Mohamed bin Hammam. 378 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,720 The main people involved in the Qatar 2022 bid 379 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,200 were Hassan Al-Thawadi and the Chairman, 380 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,480 who was His Highness Sheikh Mohamed. 381 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,040 Mohamed bin Hammam was never an official member of the bid team. 382 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:05,080 But I don't think anyone thought that he wasn't part of the bid team. 383 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,560 Mohamed bin Hammam was working hand in hand with the Qatar bid 384 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,280 despite their denial that they had anything to do with him whatsoever. 385 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:16,280 They were so close that the bid team had its offices in the same building 386 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,040 as Mohamed bin Hammam ran his Kemco operation. 387 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,120 Your own bid chairman described him as Qatar's biggest asset in the bid. 388 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,200 Is that not the case? Yes. 389 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,240 Mohamed bin Hammam is in favour of the bid. 390 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,400 There were two processes going on. 391 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,280 You'd have the official Qatar bid who did all the obvious publicity, 392 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,760 they'd have the brand ambassadors and all that. 393 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,760 And then you had the secret process which was undertaken 394 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,160 by the man who knew all the characters, Mohamed bin Hammam. 395 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,280 Bin Hammam knew it'd be very difficult for FIFA Executive Committee members 396 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,920 to justify casting their votes for such a strange and outside candidate as Qatar. 397 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,480 So what he did was, he went around the world forging alliances 398 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,920 and doling out largesse to buy up the support 399 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,240 of dozens and dozens of football officials 400 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,200 across Asia and Africa in particular. 401 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,520 He travelled to the Bahamas, he travelled to Cape Town, 402 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,520 he travelled to Tokyo, he travelled to South Korea. 403 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,720 And he would lavish them with spending money and private cruises 404 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800 and stays in five-star hotels and incredible meals. 405 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,200 He would meet with them and ask them about things they needed 406 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,880 and talk to them about the Qatar World Cup bid. 407 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,680 We could see there were then these very intense flurries of activity 408 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,040 in the Kemco accounts directly following those meetings, 409 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:41,360 where bin Hammam's assistants would be instructed to dispense sums 410 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,840 ranging from $10,000 to $200,000 at a time, 411 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,680 directly into the bank accounts of the very football officials he'd met. 412 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,920 There were lots of different payments, 413 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,600 the first direct evidence we'd found that bribes were being paid 414 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,680 in exchange for World Cup support. 415 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,080 "I sincerely thank you from the bosom of my heart 416 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,760 for your continuous support. 417 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,640 And I hereby provide you with the full bank details 418 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720 that you can use for any transfer." 419 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,160 I thought frankly that it was a fantasy for Qatar at the beginning. 420 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,920 But dreams can come true. 421 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,000 My name's Sunil Gulati. 422 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,840 I was the Chairman of America's 2010 World Cup bid for the 2022 event. 423 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,760 When we started the process, I believed we were gonna win. 424 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,920 We're gonna announce 18 cities with an average capacity of 78,000 seats. 425 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600 Far bigger than anyone else could hope to get. 426 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,680 Magnitude is enormous. 427 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Every team in the World Cup will have home fans without travelling. 428 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,160 What it'd be able to do for the world of soccer, 429 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,360 economically, culturally, was a big part of our pitch. 430 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,480 United States went really hard after the hosting rights 431 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,360 for the 2022 World Cup. 432 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,200 They put together a really extensive campaign, 433 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,920 they had a bid committee that brought in all types of celebrities 434 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800 to help make the case. 435 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,520 Listen. 436 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,400 It's the roar of millions of soccer fans all across the United States 437 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720 calling for the FIFA World Cup. 438 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,560 The US have numbers... Dempsey's missed it... 439 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,000 Donovan hasn't! 440 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,080 It's Landon Donovan! 441 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,560 The past 25 years have been a wonderful journey, 442 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,320 both for me personally and for the sport of football in my country. 443 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240 Going to Switzerland and being part of the 2022 bid 444 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,000 was a bizarre experience. 445 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,240 And for a 28-year-old kid who was so naive to that world, 446 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,840 it was fascinating. 447 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,640 I was thrilled to be there, giving that presentation to ExCo members. 448 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,360 And naively thought it would matter. 449 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Looking down and seeing people sleeping, not paying attention, 450 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,320 on their phones, did make me think it was a foregone conclusion. 451 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,680 People had already made up their minds. 452 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,200 Sunil Gulati understood very clearly 453 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,680 that he could play the game dirty 454 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,600 but he didn't want to do that. 455 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,840 I remember having conversations with him, 456 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,280 "Sunil, do you think this kind of stuff is going on?" 457 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,080 He was, like, "Landon, there's stuff going on." 458 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,360 I went and met Mr Blatter before we announced we were gonna bid 459 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,280 and I said, "Look, we're not gonna do whatever it takes." 460 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,560 He understood that. We were gonna play absolutely by the rules. 461 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240 When you say, "do whatever," what do you mean? 462 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,800 Just that. 463 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880 Just that. 464 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,480 To use a soccer metaphor, if the ball was a yard away from the line 465 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,160 and there was a chance to punch it in with a handball, we wouldn't do. 466 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,600 Did you bribe FIFA members to win the World Cup? 467 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,200 Plain and simply, no. 468 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840 At no point did you pay any money or gifts, 469 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,840 or anything which would be on FIFA's rules to win influence 470 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,440 in the race for 2022? 471 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,160 We never broke FIFA's rules. 472 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,000 When we went to Angola for the African Football Federation meetings 473 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,720 all the big ExCo members were staying in the same hotel. 474 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,880 I was called to go to Hassan's room. 475 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,560 So there was Hassan. 476 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Obviously there was me. 477 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240 There was Diallo, who was part of the bid team 478 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320 but not part of the bid team. 479 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760 He came to us from Mohamed bin Hammam. 480 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,520 There were a couple of meetings with the FIFA ExCo members 481 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Hayatou, Adamu and Anouma. 482 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,920 Hayatou came in and Hassan said, 483 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,880 "We want, of course, your vote." And that seemed pretty normal to me. 484 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760 And then Diallo just dropped a bomb that, you know, 485 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,040 "We'll give you $1 million for your football federation." 486 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,160 Hayatou laughed and said, "No, I can't do much with $1 million." 487 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000 And Diallo said, "$1.5 million." 488 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Kind of when you watch movies, you think of bribery and corruption 489 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,360 like, underground, in a tunnel somewhere. 490 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,440 So I remember being just very shocked, 491 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880 like not sure what was really happening. 492 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,480 And I remember on the second or third time this was repeating itself 493 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,760 I just started laughing hysterically, 494 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,160 because it was obviously at that point I understood what was happening, 495 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840 that this was bribes. 496 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520 There was nothing extraordinary about the moment for those men. 497 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,360 As a watcher, bystander, it was an extraordinary moment 498 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,200 that I'll never forget. 499 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,880 The more we worked on this story, the more aware we became 500 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,960 of just how high the stakes were. 501 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 It became clear to us that what we were investigating 502 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720 were closely guarded secrets held at the highest level 503 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,680 of some of the world's most powerful governments. 504 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Mr President, on behalf of the government, 505 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800 it gives me great pleasure to welcome you here in Downing Street. 506 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,280 The members of several bid teams, including the England bid, 507 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,840 had engaged their own private spy networks to spy on each other 508 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520 and to conduct counter-espionage operations 509 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600 to try and defend themselves against being spied on. 510 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,800 These are big, kind of global clashes going on, 511 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,000 which is why you find there's not just an ordinary football focus. 512 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,480 Intelligence agents and private detectives were involved. 513 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,840 Christopher Steele is a respected former MI6 officer. 514 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,120 And he shot to prominence during the 2016 presidential campaign. 515 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,600 The infamous Steele dossier alleged that the Trump campaign 516 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,640 was co-ordinating with Russia. 517 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,560 A lesser-known fact about him is that during the 2010 bidding process, 518 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,240 he was hired by the England team to spy on their Russian opponents 519 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,200 for the 2018 World Cup. 520 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,920 My name's Christopher, known as Chris, Steele to my friends. 521 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,800 I served in the British Embassy in Russia, 522 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,120 it was the Soviet Union when I started. 523 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,200 And it was a tumultuous time. 524 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,400 And I think those of us who served there never forgot what had happened 525 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,120 and the lessons we had learnt. 526 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,760 At the beginning, the Russian bid doesn't seem to have had 527 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,280 much interest from Vladimir Putin. 528 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,440 Vladimir Putin is not a football fan 529 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,840 compared with, for example, his passion involved in, say, ice hockey 530 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,040 But of course, eventually Putin realised 531 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600 that this was a prestige project for Russia, 532 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,480 that it required winning at all costs for political reasons. 533 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480 Football is pretty popular in Russia 534 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,680 and it would have not gone down well with the man on the street 535 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160 if they had failed to win this tournament. 536 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080 When he realised that Russia wasn't actually doing very well, 537 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,920 he called in some of his oligarchs and demanded 538 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120 that they started to work for the bid. 539 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:16,840 Modern Russia's default mode is to engage in corruption 540 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600 and underhand dealings and breaking the rules. 541 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,320 And it's the only way they really achieve very much. 542 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,800 We had produced intelligence that one of the European ExCo members 543 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,080 had been offered a valuable painting from the Hermitage. 544 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040 And seemed to have accepted it. 545 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,000 He admitted it, but said, "Oh, it's a painting of no value. 546 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,080 I put it upstairs in my attic." 547 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,920 The US bid committee was, like, handing out free pens to FIFA voters. 548 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520 And the England bit got into all kinds of trouble 549 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120 for buying designer Mulberry handbags for the wives 550 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,880 of all of the FIFA Executive Committee members. 551 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,720 But what the Qataris and Russians were doing 552 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,760 was corruption on an industrial scale. 553 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,920 There was no way that other countries were gonna be able to compete. 554 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,920 It's a competition between states, 555 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,720 so the whole state apparatus is devoted to securing the World Cup. 556 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,040 There was intelligence that there had been a dialogue going on 557 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,040 between Russia and Qatar, not natural bedfellows. 558 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,520 But at the end of the day, both have strong energy interests, 559 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880 both have interests in the Middle East. 560 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,880 And that opened up the potential for there to be some kind of trade-off. 561 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,040 Sources on the England team had gathered intelligence about a vote swap, 562 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,120 which the Russian team had allegedly done with Qatar. 563 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,520 "If you get your voters to back my bid, I'll get mine to back your bid." 564 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,400 And this whole thing had been sewn up around a big bi-lateral oil deal 565 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,080 in which Qatar agreed to invest billions and billions of dollars 566 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160 in developing the oilfields of the Yamal Peninsula. 567 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,320 It's an incredibly difficult place to prospect for oil 568 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680 but it's incredibly rich in its supply. 569 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160 And so it was in both countries' interests. 570 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440 What we could then see in our own documents was that bin Hammam 571 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,640 played a key role in brokering those meetings. 572 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:07,120 He had hosted the Russian bid team and the Russian Energy Minister 573 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,520 on a trip to Doha at which this deal was allegedly discussed. 574 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,760 The Yamal Peninsula deal I think says it all. 575 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480 This is how the operation was conducted 576 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,880 and the sort of assets that Russia and Qatar brought to bear. 577 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,440 The World Cup's bound up with the sort of unseen way 578 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,840 in which the world really works. 579 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,440 Unseemly, I would say, and unseen. 580 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,560 There was a lot of negative attention being focused on Russia 581 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,240 as they were annexing Crimea and committing atrocities 582 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,920 that many people would look at and say, "This is unacceptable." 583 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,920 The focus on Russia, on Putin, 584 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,320 on any of the people that are involved in doing those things, 585 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,000 is shifted when you then turn on the lights 586 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,240 around a giant event like a World Cup. 587 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,880 If you can host a tournament, 588 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680 it's a glue that sort of increases the popularity 589 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,080 of unstable authoritarian governments. 590 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,520 And I think that was part of this equation and still is. 591 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,280 A World Cup does not produce money for the country. 592 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,000 The country has to expend a lot of money for the World Cup. 593 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,920 The economy naturally will take some money by tourists and so on 594 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,160 but it is not an economic matter. 595 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,520 It's a prestigious matter. 596 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,440 Qatar is actually quite an isolated country in the Middle East. 597 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,800 It has significant Sunni enemies around it like Saudi and the UAE. 598 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,320 And therefore if Qatar can become the first Middle East country 599 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,280 to host a major sports event like this, 600 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,680 then that does solidify the regime and its stability, 601 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,840 I think, significantly, 602 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,240 both in the region and in the wider world. 603 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,920 Michel Platini, the former French footballing superstar 604 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,720 and FIFA Executive Committee member, 605 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,160 had previously pledged his support to the American bid. 606 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,640 But he came under increasing pressure from Nicolas Sarkozy, 607 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,040 the then French President, to switch his support to Qatar. 608 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,120 That was because Sarkozy was eyeing a number of major deals with Qatar. 609 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,400 He was keen that Qatar buy up and bail out 610 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,200 his favourite football team, Paris St Germain, 611 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,800 which was haemorrhaging money financially. 612 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,560 And a big deal by which Qatar Airways would buy up 613 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,120 50 planes from Airbus, the French company. 614 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,920 And one week before the decision, 615 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,240 I got a phone call from Michel Platini. 616 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,200 And he told me, "Something has happened. 617 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,160 Now you will be in difficulties." 618 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,680 He was the President of UEFA at that time 619 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,760 and he told me that he was asked 620 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,560 that his group should vote for Qatar. 621 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,040 And four votes, they go to Qatar. 622 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,760 Then it was impossible for US to win. 623 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,920 Platini lost courage. 624 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,040 He should have said to the President, "No. 625 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,200 We go to do something for the world and not only for one country." 626 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,520 Football was being used as a bargaining chip 627 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680 in these huge international deals. 628 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,680 Another way of looking at it is that these huge international trade deals 629 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,560 were actually the bargaining chip being traded around in world football in exchange for World Cup votes. 630 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,000 The winner... 631 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,520 to organise the 2022 FIFA World Cup is... 632 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,280 Qatar! 633 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,360 It was the biggest accomplishment of the history of Qatar, in my opinion. 634 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,040 It was a super accomplishment for bin Hammam. 635 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,800 Everybody in Qatar knows what Mohamed bin Hammam 636 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,600 has done for football and for the FIFA World Cup. 637 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,320 Bin Hammam was an absolute hero. 638 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,720 He was kind of almost a god in his own country for the work he did. 639 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,280 How do you feel about that particular coup that was pulled off? 640 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,080 I'm very proud, not only because the World Cup is going to be in Qatar. 641 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,480 Qatar in this case also are representing 642 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,160 all the small nations and all small countries. 643 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,520 This is my biggest defeat I have ever witnessed. 644 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,200 Bin Hammam's victory took Blatter by surprise. 645 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,720 When bin Hammam did it by securing such widespread support 646 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960 across the continent of Africa in particular, 647 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,960 which is really the heartland of Blatter's own base, 648 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,040 that was a real threat to Blatter. 649 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,800 He knew bin Hammam had long harboured ambitions 650 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880 to go for the FIFA Presidency. 651 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,560 And very soon after the World Cup decision, 652 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,240 he started manoeuvring against bin Hammam in pretty overt ways. 653 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,760 Blatter came out and announced unilaterally 654 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,720 that he was instituting a new anti-corruption committee 655 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,840 to oversee FIFA, to look at the World Cup bids. 656 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,560 Now we have these independent bodies 657 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,040 and we have to follow what they are going to find out. 658 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,240 The next thing Blatter did was to declare 659 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,920 that he thought it may be impossible to play the tournament in Qatar in the summer. 660 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,240 If something happened, the FIFA Executive Committee 661 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,400 can change the venue of the World Cup, 662 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920 can take away the rights to organise the World Cup. 663 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,440 Everything, we can do. 664 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,600 It became clear to bin Hammam that to protect Qatar's World Cup bid, 665 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040 he needed to be the man in charge of world football. 666 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,240 And so that was really what spurred him 667 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,160 to launch his own campaign for the FIFA presidency in 2011. 668 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,080 Mohamed bin Hammam, although once a close ally of Blatter, 669 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,120 is now calling for change. 670 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,400 This actually may be one of the weaknesses of FIFA today. 671 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,800 He's been there too long? Too long. 13 years as a president. 672 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,360 Let us open the window for fresh air to come. 673 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,920 Meanwhile, Phaedra Almajid came to us 674 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040 and made allegations about the Qataris. 675 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,840 I write notes to myself, basically. 676 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,920 Like a diary, I guess. 677 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:18,680 These were some of the notes I took on the night in Angola 678 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,760 where I witnessed a bribe. 679 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,920 I remember needing to share it with someone, just the shock of it. 680 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,360 I never planned to be the whistle-blower. 681 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,520 Parliament was looking into England's failed bid. 682 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,320 As a result of that, they did a call for evidence. 683 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,880 And so we submitted all the evidence that we had picked up 684 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,280 from the six consultants and from the two FIFA ExCo members. 685 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160 We also included some of the allegations from Phaedra. 686 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,800 I know what the repercussions can be for any whistle-blower. 687 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,400 So I was very scared. 688 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,240 And I wanted to be anonymous. 689 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,200 The Sunday Times hired a lawyer for me. 690 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,280 The lawyer contacted FIFA 691 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,760 and said, "All right, she's willing to give evidence." 692 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,840 We have asked for evidence 693 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920 and this famous whistle-blower will be in FIFA on Wednesday. 694 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,600 They will tell us if there is something or not. 695 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,440 He mentioned the exact day and time 696 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,280 I would be walking through the FIFA doors. 697 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,360 I mean, you say that, 698 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,240 of course every media member is going to be there. 699 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,680 And I just watched this, I was, like, "Oh, no, I'm not. 700 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,120 I'm not flying to Zurich any time soon when you've just announced it." 701 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,760 What he did was very, very purposeful. 702 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,080 FIFA's not corrupt. Definitely not. 703 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,200 I think that Sepp Blatter is a diabolic genius. 704 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120 She was there in Angola. 705 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040 And has she given evidence or not? 706 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,320 Has she evidence? 707 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,280 I don't know. I don't know. 708 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,440 There was hacking into my G-mail accounts, into my Facebook. 709 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,600 I started getting threatening emails about my children. 710 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680 So I was very scared. 711 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,040 I'm a single mom. 712 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,640 This is the richest sporting organisation in the world 713 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,720 and the richest country in the world 714 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,680 and I know there were no limits. 715 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,160 Who did you think the threats were coming from? The Qataris. 716 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,160 Definitely. 717 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,680 I needed it to stop. I needed the threats to stop. 718 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,400 It was just the fear for my children. 719 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,400 And so I told them, "Look, I'll fix this. 720 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,760 I'll recant everything. 721 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,840 End of story. We'll move on." 722 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,960 You know, do I regret it? No. 723 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040 I did what I had to do as a mother. 724 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,800 The one man many thought could beat top football chief Sepp Blatter withdraws. 725 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,040 Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar says he won't stand for FIFA President. 726 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440 Bin Hammam's decision to drop out at the 11th hour 727 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,520 of the presidential race 728 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,880 was kind of a mystery to his many supporters. 729 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,280 The prospect that he might defeat Blatter in the election 730 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,840 was really the only leverage he actually still held 731 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,640 to protect Qatar's World Cup bid. 732 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,720 But the answer to why bin Hammam suddenly resigned 733 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,400 was disclosed to us when we received a phone call from a source in Zurich. 734 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080 It was someone who was very close to Mohamed bin Hammam 735 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,440 and had been very close to Sepp Blatter. 736 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,400 It explained to us that Mohamed bin Hamman was invited to meet Blatter 737 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,240 at FIFA headquarters. 738 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,120 When he entered the office, he found Blatter sitting there 739 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,800 with a very senior member of the Qatari Royal Family 740 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,880 and was informed that a deal had been done between Blatter and the Royal. 741 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,400 If Mohamed bin Hammam bowed out gracefully from the FIFA presidential race, 742 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,600 Blatter would ensure the Qatar World Cup would come to no harm, 743 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,680 that the tournament would go ahead. 744 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,640 And if this story is correct, 745 00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:00,120 and I have no reason to doubt the words of Mohamed bin Hammam, 746 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,520 then they shook hands, the deal was done. 747 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,200 It was he who had secured Blatter his first victory in 1998 748 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,800 as FIFA President, his re-election in 2002, 749 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,880 and who had pulled out all the stops 750 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,600 to achieve the seemingly impossible feat 751 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,400 of winning the rights to host the World Cup for his own Royal Family. 752 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,840 And to see these two figures uniting against him was a devastating blow. 753 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,240 And worse still, he was told that he was to retire home to Doha 754 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,920 and really never to speak publicly about any of what had occurred. 755 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000 He was silenced. 756 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,960 This was a really key moment at which Blatter showed 757 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,720 the full extent of his power as a kind of mob boss 758 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,800 at the top of the organisation, 759 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,480 who is able to cut deals and use alliances 760 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,840 to end someone else's career and secure his own fortunes. 761 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,800 Mohamed bin Hammam says that you made a deal 762 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,880 to let the Qataris keep the Cup 763 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,480 in exchange for bin Hammam dropping out of the presidential race. 764 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,080 Not at all. This is the first time I heard about that. 765 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,800 But not at all. 766 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,160 And I wouldn't enter into such an arrangement. 767 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,360 Definitely not. 768 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,240 Presidente Joseph Blatter. 769 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,080 Sepp Blatter has been re-elected. 770 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,240 Blatter won another four-year term as head of soccer's governing body. 771 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,320 There is not one single doubt 772 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:37,560 that the World Cup 2022 will be organised in Qatar. 773 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,640 I just remember what a very prominent member of the Qatar Organising Committee told me, 774 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,720 is that, "We played the rules of FIFA." 775 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,080 You have to blame FIFA, not the countries, neither Russia nor Qatar. 776 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,680 They had no choice. 777 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,520 If they want the World Cup, they have to play the FIFA rules. 778 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,600 The FIFA rules are dirty, so where is the problem? It's with FIFA. 779 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,960 We are honoured to win in this tough and fair fight. 780 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,960 From bottom of my heart, 781 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,240 thank you. 782 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,040 It's incredible how easy it was to go to Russia. 783 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,720 Have they paid? 784 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,480 But we come back to Qatar. 785 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,240 Do you think Qatar paid bribes to win the World Cup? 786 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,440 You know, I don't know if they paid. 787 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,360 Because I have not seen. 788 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,360 But in football, to get the World Cup, everything is possible. 789 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,280 Everything is possible. 790 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,800 Giving a World Cup to a specific country 791 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,000 will always create a very heated discussion of yes or no. 792 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,880 Because it is connected with that game of football 793 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,360 that is so emotional to us. 794 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,280 Because it's so popular, because it connects us all, 795 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,680 there will always be politics part of it. 796 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,440 I would love a world where sport was pure 797 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,440 and politics didn't come into play, corruption didn't come into play. 798 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,600 Unfortunately, it's the reality. 799 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,600 FIFA's a business. 800 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,360 It's an institution but there are people behind the institution. 801 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,160 And it's really important to remember that people can be corrupt, 802 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,040 people can be bad, people can make bad decisions. 803 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,440 And when that happens, it can turn really ugly really fast. 804 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,640 The decision makers, most of them, 805 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,320 never played the game, never felt the game like the fan is doing. 806 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,320 That is the issue that a lot of us players, coaches have, 807 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,080 with those that run the business side of things. 808 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,800 That kills you. 809 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,560 Sepp Blatter and the members of his Executive Committee 810 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,720 really treated FIFA like their own personal fiefdom. 811 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,200 They behave as though the game belongs to them 812 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,800 and they can do with it whatever they want to enrich themselves 813 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,640 and to further their own advantage. 814 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,800 And they do that without really any regard 815 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,960 for the hundreds of millions of people who genuinely love football 816 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040 and actually care about the game. 817 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,160 There's a well known phrase in The Beautiful Game. 818 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,640 The Beautiful Game is the wonderful thing 819 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,600 of watching Pele or Johan Cruyff 820 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,600 or those great players who played in the World Cups. 821 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,640 But this was the Ugly Game. 822 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:35,360 This was the football administrators, 823 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,760 this was the corrupt deals behind those football matches. 824 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,200 We were on a really tight deadline trying to produce this story. 825 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,240 We knew that for it to achieve maximum impact, 826 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,000 we needed to land this bombshell right ahead of the 2014 World Cup, 827 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560 which was taking place in Brazil that year. 828 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,000 So we had to kind of draw a line and then get it written. 829 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,880 And it was a lot of writing. 830 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,960 We were working really long hours. 831 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,320 It was kind of 16, 17, 18-hour days, seven days a week. 832 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:13,240 The Sunday Times is going to devote the first 11 pages to the story, 833 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,640 which, as our managing editor said, is unheard of in peacetime. 834 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,680 We felt kind of daunted by the magnitude of what we'd uncovered 835 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,240 and how explosive it was and what the repercussions might be. 836 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,240 And when it broke, it went around the world like a flash. 837 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,720 Mr bin Hammam. 838 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,360 It wasn't Brazil that was making headlines today. 839 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,080 It was future hosts Qatar. 840 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,160 The story that Heidi and Jonathan did shook world sport. 841 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,080 And it exposed just how corrupt that process was. 842 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,240 For those running FIFA, all the noise about Qatar is the last thing they needed 843 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,520 as they prepare for a difficult World Cup here in Brazil. 844 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,600 But the claims aren't going away. 845 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,080 Now they need to convince the world they're treating them seriously. 846 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,880 We felt there was surely no way the World Cup could go ahead in Qatar, 847 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960 given what we had documented. 848 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,920 Mr President, are you worried about more allegations of corruption? 849 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,600 It was pretty astonishing the way Sepp Blatter 850 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,840 just totally ignored the evidence. 851 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,240 Sepp Blatter said the British media's latest wave of allegations about Qatar 852 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,320 was motivated by racism. 853 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,720 If corruption allegations against Qatar's bid are proved, 854 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,800 should there be a revote? 855 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,880 For a start- No, listen. 856 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,960 Let me answer. Let me answer. 857 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,440 I am not a prophet. That's all. 858 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,600 So we wait the results and we will see what will happen. 859 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,280 There was a whitewash and basically FIFA was doing what it always did, 860 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,000 which was to avoid engaging with the corruption at its heart. 861 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,480 It was frustrating. It was intensely frustrating. 862 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,160 We couldn't get FIFA to take this thing seriously. 863 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,720 Sepp Blatter remained in place as President of FIFA, 864 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,520 despite presiding over this complete charade. 865 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,360 It felt like we'd failed at forcing a change. 866 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200 But what we didn't know was, 867 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,760 that all the time we'd thought it was up to us, 868 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,720 the FBI were investigating, 869 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,480 and the whole FIFA house of cards was about to come crashing down. 870 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,920 Until you have somebody involved in the conspiracy 871 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,840 explain to you what is going on, 872 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,720 the case will not break open. 873 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,680 People said, "FIFA's like a mob and gangsters and stuff." 874 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,800 But I never thought of Chuck as that. But I guess he was. 875 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,120 We were opening up the tip of a big old iceberg. 876 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,680 It is a monumental takedown. 877 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,160 This is the biggest sports bust in history. 878 00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,840 Subtitles by Deluxe 73512

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