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Welcome to the Messe Centre
here in Zurich,
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as FIFA's Executive Committee vote
on the World Cup bids.
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The World Cup is beloved by hundreds
of millions of people.
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And rumours of corruption have
swirled around it for decades.
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As you can see, everybody's gathered
and really excited.
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This is the first time they've
actually announced two hosts
simultaneously.
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It is now my pleasure to welcome
on stage the President of FIFA.
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Sepp Blatter was the guy at the top.
He set the tone.
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FIFA is not corrupt.
People in FIFA were corrupt.
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The 2018 FIFA World Cup
will be organised in...
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Russia.
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What we were investigating were
closely guarded secrets
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held at the highest level of some
of the world's most powerful
governments.
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Russia has won 2018.
We move on to 2022.
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The winner is... Qatar.
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That is astonishing!
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What the Qataris and the Russians
were doing was corruption on
an industrial scale.
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In football, to get the World Cup,
everything is possible.
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I understood what was happening,
that this was bribes.
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It all comes down to money.
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People who have even a casual
understanding of what FIFA represents
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associate it with corruption
and cronyism
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and a lack of transparency.
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FIFA's corrupt.
I don't know what's going on.
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World organisation FIFA
is incredibly corrupt.
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FIFA is corrupt to its core and
probably all the way to the top.
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Many people will look at Sepp
Blatter as the most despicable
man in world sport.
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Fraud, bribes, money laundering,
racketeering. You name it.
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Somewhere, sooner or later, somebody
is gonna get caught in FIFA.
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What has been revealed so far
is a Mafia-style crime syndicate.
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My only hesitation
in using that term
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is that it is almost insulting
to the Mafia.
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I always say that being
an investigative journalist
isn't a proper grown-up job
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because it's too much of a caper,
it's too much fun.
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Just the ability
to cause trouble for people
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who are wielding power corruptly
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and to stick up for ordinary people
who are getting screwed over.
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It's a really thrilling feeling.
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My name is Heidi Blake.
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I worked for the Sunday Times
Insight Investigations Team
for about three-and-a-half years.
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We are the part of the newspaper
which is given more time
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to investigate longer-term projects.
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I'm Jonathan Calvert,
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I'm the Insight editor
of the Sunday Times.
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Corruption is an awful thing
in the world.
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In order to encourage reform,
you've got to open up the truth.
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In 2014, Jonathan and I were
approached by a trusted source
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who we'd worked with previously,
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who told us that they were
in contact with someone
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who had access to
a vast cache of documents,
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which they said could potentially
blow the lid off
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the Qatari bid to host the World Cup.
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We started off being written off,
being the unconventional bid.
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No one saw that
we had a chance to win.
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Countries campaign very hard to win
the right to host the World Cup
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because it is the biggest event,
in terms of sports, in the world.
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The World Cup goes
far beyond football.
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It brings the whole planet together
for four weeks every four years.
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Football is a global language.
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If you want to connect people
emotionally,
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if you want to connect them
culturally,
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then use their game.
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You know, kick a ball around.
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Looking for Klinsmann,
ever aware of his presence.
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Klinsmann with it, turns... scores!
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What a goal!
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Where the World Cup is played
really mans a lot to the country,
the federation.
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It means a lot to the growth
of soccer in that area.
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But while the host company
certainly reaps benefits,
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the single greatest benefactor
of the World Cup is FIFA.
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It's their event.
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And it is the biggest driver of
revenue for that organisation
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and has been for quite a while.
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I'm so not a football fan
that embarking on this story,
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Why do people care about football?
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What is exciting about football?
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When I started to realise just how
corrupt world football really was,
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that's when I got interested.
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We met the source in a London hotel.
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They were keen for us to go ahead
but there were conditions.
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They weren't just gonna hand
the information over to us,
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it was too sensitive.
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Which meant that we couldn't have
them in our office
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and we had to go
a long way outside London
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and view them on the computers
belonging to the source,
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in a tiny office which
we called "the bunker".
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We had to operate under
intense secrecy.
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We weren't even allowed to tell our
friends and family what we were
working on or even where we were.
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We were monitored constantly by CCTV.
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All of our activity was monitored by
a keystroke monitor on our computers.
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We could not download anything.
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We could access and view the files
but we couldn't take anything away.
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In the world of FIFA,
it was entirely plausible
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that there could be
people watching,
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that people would be trying
to discover who our source was.
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And it was important
that we kept it secret.
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So it was kind of under those
conditions that we began our research
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to understand the organisation of
FIFA and its structure and history.
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I had the privilege I was in FIFA
during extremely interesting times.
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And I could observe much more than
probably other people could observe.
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My name is Guido Tognoni,
I was Media Officer in FIFA.
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My job was to give FIFA
an international image
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to create football
as No.1 sport in the world.
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When I started with FIFA in '84,
nobody knew FIFA.
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FIFA is the governing body
of world soccer.
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It has 211 member nations
and six different confederations
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which are the continental areas
that make up those member nations.
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FIFA started from scratch,
it was an amateur association.
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And then the Brazilian Joao
Havelange became president in 1974.
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Havelange was the President of FIFA
for decades
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and really oversaw its growth.
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But the brain of football
was in Zurich
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with the former General Secretary
Sepp Blatter.
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Et voila.
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Football is at its best, I would
say, in the organisation today.
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I am proud of what I have done.
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Sepp Blatter is the twinkly-eyed,
grandfatherly,
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white-haired overlord
of world football.
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A man who's cultivated
this kind of avuncular image
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but who actually is
a rapacious powerbroker.
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Sepp Blatter is a master
at patronage politics.
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He knows how to play this game,
how to work it.
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He is FIFA, his whole life is FIFA.
He can survive any controversy.
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I am a positive human being.
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Smiling is the best weapon
to show your teeth to your opponent.
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Together with his predecessor,
Joao Havelange,
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Blatter revolutionised
the world of football.
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Every single country in the world,
pretty much,
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has its own football association.
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Regardless of the population
of the country,
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every single member association
has one vote at the FIFA Congress.
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So a country like Brazil with a
couple of hundred million people
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has one vote for the FIFA Presidency.
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So does the Caribbean island of
Montserrat with a population of 5,000
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And that means there's huge power
concentrated in parts of the world
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where you have lots of countries
with tiny populations.
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Havelange looked and said,
"Africa's got 50-some nations
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that each have one vote."
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It was a politically calculated move
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that we're going to go to a country
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and we're going to say,
"What do you need?
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And in return, when it comes time
to vote for re-election,
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you're gonna give me your vote."
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Havelange doled out vast sums
of development money
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to football associations
around the world.
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In doing that, he secured the loyalty
of voters at the FIFA Congress
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who could be relied upon to back him
in successive presidential elections.
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There's a culture of bribery
and patronage
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that Sepp Blatter and his mentor
Havelange established within FIFA
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that just meant that nobody even
really stopped to think
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that what they were doing was wrong.
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Blatter and Havelange accepted
bribery as part of the system.
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They built their power on bribery
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and they observed the corruption
growing and growing
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and they never intervened
against it.
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They not only ignored it,
they even cultivated it.
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And this is where the tiny Gulf
state of Qatar comes into the story.
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Because when Blatter stood to be
the President of FIFA in 1998,
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he won with help from Qatar's
top football official,
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Mohamed bin Hammam.
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Mohamed bin Hammam was one of
the most powerful figures in
world football.
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For many years, he was the President
of the Asian Football Confederation.
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He is a billionaire in his own right.
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It was bin Hammam who bankrolled
Sepp Blatter's campaign
for the presidency in 1998.
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Blatter and bin Hammam
were close friends in those days.
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Blatter had many friends - as long
as they were helpful for him.
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And bin Hammam himself,
he liked to help people.
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Bin Hammam would also help you
if you were in trouble.
He's that type of person.
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How are you?
Fine, thank you.
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Welcome to Doha.
Thank you very much.
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And thanks to bin Hammam,
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Blatter was able to satisfy the
needs of the African delegates.
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There were a crucial series of
meetings that bin Hammam held
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in a hotel suite on the eve
of the election,
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where the leaders of African football
were invited
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to a private audience
with bin Hammam.
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Rumours swirled that bin Hammam was
generous in doling out brown
envelopes stuffed full of cash.
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Blatter didn't pay bribes himself.
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So when he says to anybody,
"I didn't pay, didn't bribe anybody"
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then literally, he's right.
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But money was given. This is a fact.
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Mohamed bin Hammam is a character
who came to really fascinate me
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and Jonathan in the course
of our research.
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He was born into a relatively
ordinary family in Qatar
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and he really was
a self-made billionaire.
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He set up a construction company
in Doha in the '70s, Kemco,
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and won a load of state contracts
to build the skyscrapers
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which were then shooting up
all over the city.
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At the same time, he was a real lover
of football, which was rare in Qatar.
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As a young entrepreneur
in his early 20s,
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he took on the role of managing
a local football club
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and was hugely successful,
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managed to steer the club
from absolutely nowhere
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to winning a whole load of leagues.
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And in doing so, he caught the
attention of the then Crown Prince,
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who later became the Emir of Qatar.
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For a long time,
Qatar was relatively undeveloped.
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In the 1950s, they started to
discover liquid petroleum gas,
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which was the thing that would make
the country enormously wealthy,
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especially the Qatar Royal Family.
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Qatar is a rigidly
hierarchical society
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with the Royal Family at the apex.
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It runs a sovereign wealth fund which
holds huge real estate holdings
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in New York, London, across Europe
and around the world.
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During the course
of the investigation,
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we realised just how much
they owned.
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The Shard is owned by the Qataris.
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Canary Wharf is owned by the Qataris
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and this building is owned
by the Qatar Investment Authority.
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Bin Hammam got a place
on the Emir's advisory counsel
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and kind of became
part of the Qatari elite.
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But at the same time, he has a deeply
subservient relationship with
the Royal Family.
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He had a nickname, actually.
They called him "the Slave".
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This was partly
a really shocking reference
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to his distant African ancestry.
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And partly a reference to his slavish
devotion to the Qatari Royal Family.
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The Emir took over from his father
determined to modernise Qatar,
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to build Doha up,
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to try to position Qatar as
a major player on the world stage
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by investing in the arts,
in media and in sport.
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And so bin Hammam became a key pawn
in the Emir's strategy
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to turn Qatar into
a global powerhouse,
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in this case in the field of sport.
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Working in any sporting event
is amazing
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because you're working with people
from all over the world.
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So it's a very gratifying
thing to do.
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My name's Phaedra Almajid and I was
the Media Specialist for Qatar 2022.
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Internally, what is the feeling
among the Qatar bid team
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about your chances
to win the host rights?
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It was always positive.
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It was always positive. Um...
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We had Mohamed bin Hammam.
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I mean, that's number one.
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Whatever we needed, we had.
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No one had a budget.
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Qatar would do anything to win.
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Mohamed bin Hammam, at the
beginning, he was himself critical
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and asking himself whether Qatar was
the right place to host a World Cup.
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But if the Emir wants this,
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then Mohamed bin Hammam
has no choice than delivering.
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Qatar is a country where women are
treated as second-class citizens,
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where homosexuality
is a punishable crime,
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where the press is heavily censored.
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FIFA conducted its own objective
analysis of the various bids
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which found that Qatar was an
unsuitable place to host a World Cup
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and a dangerous place
to host a World Cup.
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The summer temperatures would be a
hazard to the health of the players
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and the fans.
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Doha simply didn't have space for
the kind of stadium infrastructure
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that was going to be required.
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There was no football infrastructure
at all in Qatar.
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There were hardly any teams.
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They would have to build
nine new stadiums.
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And there wasn't enough room
for them in Doha
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so they would have to kind of
create a whole new city.
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It has a large workforce of workers
from countries like Nepal and India.
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They work in punishing
and dangerous conditions,
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often on the construction sites which
are building these many skyscrapers
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which define the Doha landscape.
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Foreign workers now outnumber
Qataris by more than four to one.
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They're kept on a tight leash
by a system called kafala,
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that gives the employer the right
to decide where they work
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and when or even if they can leave.
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They are owned by another individual
lock, stock and barrel.
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That's slavery.
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Sepp Blatter, in all fairness,
didn't want to go to Qatar.
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He wanted to go to Russia
then to United States.
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America changed the whole dynamics
of the World Cup,
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because America,
when it hosted it in 1994,
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it made so much money for FIFA.
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I hope to have the chance
to welcome all of you in 2022.
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I told the President my idea,
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that the World Cup 2022 shall
go back to the United States.
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We would not have this discussion
if it came out as I wanted.
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Sepp Blatter was the most powerful
man in sports for a long time.
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But when it came to making
the most significant decisions,
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the Executive Committee
had all the power.
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The Executive Committee, or ExCo,
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was a group of a couple of dozen
of the most powerful
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leaders in world football.
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It's incredibly powerful,
particularly in relation to
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the awarding of the rights
to host a World Cup,
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because that's a decision taken
solely by the Executive Committee.
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They decide in a secret ballot
and they don't have to explain
their decision
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or be accountable for it in any way.
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The FIFA Executive Committee was
made up of quite a few
extraordinary people.
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So you'd have super-famous football
players in Franz Beckenbauer
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and Michel Platini.
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At the same time, you'd have
billionaires like Mohamed bin Hammam
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and you'd also have some kind
of football administrators
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who'd found their way to the top.
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If you were a country that was
bidding for the World Cup,
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you were only focused on
these 24 people.
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"How can I make them like me more?"
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This was an unbelievable career.
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They go to World Cups, they stay
there for one month or six weeks,
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they live like in a paradise.
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They got the feeling they were
the masters of the universe,
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not only of football.
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FIFA's international headquarters
in Zurich
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kind of resembled
the lair of a Bond villain.
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There's a couple of floors
above ground
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but the vast majority of the building
is subterranean.
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The members of the Executive
Committee can meet in the centrepiece
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which is its boardroom - again,
underground, shrouded in darkness.
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The men who control the game gather
around a huge oval table,
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a bit like the one in Dr Strangelove.
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Gentlemen, you can't fight in here,
this is the War Room!
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There are those who will tell you
of the supposed sordid secrets
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that lie deep in our Bond villain
headquarters
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in the hills above Zurich.
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They would have you believe
that I sit in my office,
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with a sinister grin,
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gently stroking the chin of an
expensive white Persian cat.
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But it's not what we are.
That's not FIFA. That's not me.
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For almost as long
as I can remember,
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there have been questions
about the ethics behind
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how decisions were made
by the Executive Committee
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in terms of where
the World Cup is held.
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Almost all of the awards of
World Cup hosting venues -
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2002, 2006, 2010 - were tainted.
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So the idea that FIFA was going to
award two World Cups
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in the same voting process
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was rife with problems.
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The reason our source trusted us
with the Qatari documents
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is because of my prior work
investigating FIFA.
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Back in 2010, somebody had told us
there was corruption in the bidding
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for the two World Cups
which were 2018 and 2022.
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Doesn't want to zip all the way.
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I decided that probably
one of the most effective ways
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of getting under the skin of FIFA
was to go undercover.
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My colleague and I pretended
to be representatives
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of a group of companies in America
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that wanted the American bid to win.
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We would organise meetings round the
world with various FIFA executives
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and get them talking about
what it would take to win.
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When it comes to talking about
things like corruption and bribes,
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people are very circumspect, they
don't normally say it outright.
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What was extraordinary about this
was just how open everyone was
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about the culture of bribery.
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It was as if it was expected
that this was the moment
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when they could earn their fortune.
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And this was their payback for being
loyal and supportive of Sepp Blatter
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We wrote our story and it went
around the world, it was huge.
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Football's world governing body FIFA
says it's investigating allegations
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made in the Sunday Times
that two of its officials agreed
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to sell their votes in the contest
to host the 2018 World Cup.
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Are you pleased
at what the Sunday Times did
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in uncovering corruption
inside FIFA?
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No, I am not pleased about that
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because this is not very fair.
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Football's world governing body,
FIFA, has suspended two members
of its Executive Committee.
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When FIFA's Executive Committee
decides the destinations
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of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups,
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there will now be just 22 men,
not 24, entitled to vote.
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What we did was really hated by the
FIFA Executive Committee members.
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Blatter had to keep them onside
so he had to attack us as well,
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even though all we'd done is
actually exposed the corruption.
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What can you do against
the international media
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saying FIFA is corrupt?
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FIFA is not corrupt.
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People in FIFA were corrupt.
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But as they were members of FIFA,
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naturally they say,
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"Who is responsible?
It's the President."
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When we were in the bunker,
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I remember being quite paranoid.
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We'd work from kind of early in the
morning till way past dark at night.
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We'd go home and I'd wonder who
the people in the car park were
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who were watching us.
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FIFA is a very
cloak and dagger world.
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We were having to operate ourselves
in a very cloak and dagger way.
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Working under those conditions at
length - we were there three months -
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does start to get to you.
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We'd been given a huge cache of
emails and documents and bills
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and flight records
and all sorts of things.
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It all centred on
Mohamed bin Hammam.
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The main people involved in
the Qatar 2022 bid
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were Hassan Al-Thawadi
and the Chairman,
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who was His Highness Sheikh Mohamed.
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Mohamed bin Hammam was never an
official member of the bid team.
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But I don't think anyone thought
that he wasn't part of the bid team.
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Mohamed bin Hammam was working hand
in hand with the Qatar bid
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despite their denial that they had
anything to do with him whatsoever.
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They were so close that the bid team
had its offices in the same building
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as Mohamed bin Hammam
ran his Kemco operation.
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Your own bid chairman described him
as Qatar's biggest asset in the bid.
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Is that not the case?
Yes.
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Mohamed bin Hammam
is in favour of the bid.
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There were two processes going on.
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You'd have the official Qatar bid
who did all the obvious publicity,
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they'd have the brand ambassadors
and all that.
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And then you had the secret process
which was undertaken
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by the man who knew all
the characters, Mohamed bin Hammam.
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Bin Hammam knew it'd be very
difficult for FIFA Executive
Committee members
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to justify casting their votes
for such a strange and outside
candidate as Qatar.
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So what he did was, he went around
the world forging alliances
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and doling out largesse
to buy up the support
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of dozens and dozens
of football officials
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across Asia and Africa in particular.
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He travelled to the Bahamas,
he travelled to Cape Town,
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he travelled to Tokyo,
he travelled to South Korea.
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And he would lavish them with
spending money and private cruises
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and stays in five-star hotels
and incredible meals.
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He would meet with them and ask them
about things they needed
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and talk to them about
the Qatar World Cup bid.
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We could see there were then these
very intense flurries of activity
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in the Kemco accounts directly
following those meetings,
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where bin Hammam's assistants would
be instructed to dispense sums
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ranging from $10,000
to $200,000 at a time,
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directly into the bank accounts of
the very football officials he'd met.
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There were lots of
different payments,
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the first direct evidence we'd found
that bribes were being paid
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in exchange for World Cup support.
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"I sincerely thank you
from the bosom of my heart
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for your continuous support.
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And I hereby provide you
with the full bank details
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that you can use for any transfer."
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I thought frankly that it was a
fantasy for Qatar at the beginning.
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But dreams can come true.
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My name's Sunil Gulati.
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I was the Chairman of America's 2010
World Cup bid for the 2022 event.
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When we started the process,
I believed we were gonna win.
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We're gonna announce 18 cities with
an average capacity of 78,000 seats.
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Far bigger than anyone else
could hope to get.
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Magnitude is enormous.
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Every team in the World Cup will
have home fans without travelling.
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What it'd be able to do
for the world of soccer,
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economically, culturally,
was a big part of our pitch.
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United States went really hard
after the hosting rights
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for the 2022 World Cup.
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They put together a really
extensive campaign,
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they had a bid committee that
brought in all types of celebrities
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to help make the case.
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Listen.
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It's the roar of millions of soccer
fans all across the United States
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calling for the FIFA World Cup.
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The US have numbers...
Dempsey's missed it...
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Donovan hasn't!
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It's Landon Donovan!
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The past 25 years have been
a wonderful journey,
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both for me personally and for the
sport of football in my country.
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Going to Switzerland
and being part of the 2022 bid
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was a bizarre experience.
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And for a 28-year-old kid
who was so naive to that world,
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it was fascinating.
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I was thrilled to be there, giving
that presentation to ExCo members.
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And naively thought it would matter.
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Looking down and seeing people
sleeping, not paying attention,
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on their phones, did make me think
it was a foregone conclusion.
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People had already
made up their minds.
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Sunil Gulati understood very clearly
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that he could play the game dirty
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but he didn't want to do that.
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I remember having conversations
with him,
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"Sunil, do you think this kind
of stuff is going on?"
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He was, like,
"Landon, there's stuff going on."
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I went and met Mr Blatter before
we announced we were gonna bid
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and I said, "Look, we're not gonna
do whatever it takes."
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He understood that. We were gonna
play absolutely by the rules.
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When you say, "do whatever,"
what do you mean?
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Just that.
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Just that.
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To use a soccer metaphor, if the
ball was a yard away from the line
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and there was a chance to punch it
in with a handball, we wouldn't do.
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Did you bribe FIFA members
to win the World Cup?
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Plain and simply, no.
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At no point did you pay
any money or gifts,
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or anything which would be
on FIFA's rules to win influence
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in the race for 2022?
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We never broke FIFA's rules.
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When we went to Angola for the
African Football Federation meetings
473
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,720
all the big ExCo members
were staying in the same hotel.
474
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,880
I was called to go to Hassan's room.
475
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,560
So there was Hassan.
476
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Obviously there was me.
477
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240
There was Diallo,
who was part of the bid team
478
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320
but not part of the bid team.
479
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760
He came to us from
Mohamed bin Hammam.
480
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,520
There were a couple of meetings
with the FIFA ExCo members
481
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520
Hayatou, Adamu and Anouma.
482
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Hayatou came in and Hassan said,
483
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,880
"We want, of course, your vote."
And that seemed pretty normal to me.
484
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760
And then Diallo just dropped a bomb
that, you know,
485
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,040
"We'll give you $1 million
for your football federation."
486
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Hayatou laughed and said, "No,
I can't do much with $1 million."
487
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000
And Diallo said, "$1.5 million."
488
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Kind of when you watch movies,
you think of bribery and corruption
489
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,360
like, underground,
in a tunnel somewhere.
490
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,440
So I remember being
just very shocked,
491
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
like not sure what
was really happening.
492
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,480
And I remember on the second or
third time this was repeating itself
493
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,760
I just started laughing
hysterically,
494
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,160
because it was obviously at that
point I understood what was
happening,
495
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840
that this was bribes.
496
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520
There was nothing extraordinary
about the moment for those men.
497
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,360
As a watcher, bystander,
it was an extraordinary moment
498
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,200
that I'll never forget.
499
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,880
The more we worked on this story,
the more aware we became
500
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,960
of just how high the stakes were.
501
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040
It became clear to us that
what we were investigating
502
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
were closely guarded secrets
held at the highest level
503
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,680
of some of the world's
most powerful governments.
504
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Mr President,
on behalf of the government,
505
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800
it gives me great pleasure to
welcome you here in Downing Street.
506
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,280
The members of several bid teams,
including the England bid,
507
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,840
had engaged their own private spy
networks to spy on each other
508
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520
and to conduct counter-espionage
operations
509
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,600
to try and defend themselves
against being spied on.
510
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,800
These are big, kind of global
clashes going on,
511
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,000
which is why you find there's not
just an ordinary football focus.
512
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,480
Intelligence agents and private
detectives were involved.
513
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,840
Christopher Steele is a respected
former MI6 officer.
514
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,120
And he shot to prominence during
the 2016 presidential campaign.
515
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,600
The infamous Steele dossier alleged
that the Trump campaign
516
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,640
was co-ordinating with Russia.
517
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,560
A lesser-known fact about him is that
during the 2010 bidding process,
518
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,240
he was hired by the England team to
spy on their Russian opponents
519
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,200
for the 2018 World Cup.
520
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,920
My name's Christopher, known as
Chris, Steele to my friends.
521
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,800
I served in the British Embassy
in Russia,
522
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,120
it was the Soviet Union
when I started.
523
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,200
And it was a tumultuous time.
524
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,400
And I think those of us who served
there never forgot what had happened
525
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,120
and the lessons we had learnt.
526
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,760
At the beginning, the Russian bid
doesn't seem to have had
527
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,280
much interest from Vladimir Putin.
528
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Vladimir Putin is not a football fan
529
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,840
compared with, for example, his
passion involved in, say, ice hockey
530
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,040
But of course,
eventually Putin realised
531
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600
that this was a prestige project
for Russia,
532
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,480
that it required winning at all
costs for political reasons.
533
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Football is pretty popular
in Russia
534
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,680
and it would have not gone down well
with the man on the street
535
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
if they had failed to win
this tournament.
536
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080
When he realised that Russia wasn't
actually doing very well,
537
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,920
he called in some of his oligarchs
and demanded
538
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
that they started to work
for the bid.
539
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:16,840
Modern Russia's default mode is to
engage in corruption
540
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,600
and underhand dealings
and breaking the rules.
541
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,320
And it's the only way
they really achieve very much.
542
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,800
We had produced intelligence that
one of the European ExCo members
543
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,080
had been offered a valuable painting
from the Hermitage.
544
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040
And seemed to have accepted it.
545
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,000
He admitted it, but said,
"Oh, it's a painting of no value.
546
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,080
I put it upstairs in my attic."
547
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,920
The US bid committee was, like,
handing out free pens to FIFA voters.
548
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520
And the England bit got into
all kinds of trouble
549
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,120
for buying designer
Mulberry handbags for the wives
550
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,880
of all of the FIFA Executive
Committee members.
551
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,720
But what the Qataris and Russians
were doing
552
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,760
was corruption
on an industrial scale.
553
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,920
There was no way that other countries
were gonna be able to compete.
554
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,920
It's a competition between states,
555
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,720
so the whole state apparatus is
devoted to securing the World Cup.
556
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,040
There was intelligence that there
had been a dialogue going on
557
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,040
between Russia and Qatar,
not natural bedfellows.
558
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,520
But at the end of the day,
both have strong energy interests,
559
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880
both have interests
in the Middle East.
560
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,880
And that opened up the potential for
there to be some kind of trade-off.
561
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,040
Sources on the England team had
gathered intelligence
about a vote swap,
562
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,120
which the Russian team
had allegedly done with Qatar.
563
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,520
"If you get your voters to back my
bid, I'll get mine to back your bid."
564
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,400
And this whole thing had been sewn up
around a big bi-lateral oil deal
565
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,080
in which Qatar agreed to invest
billions and billions of dollars
566
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160
in developing the oilfields
of the Yamal Peninsula.
567
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,320
It's an incredibly difficult place
to prospect for oil
568
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680
but it's incredibly rich
in its supply.
569
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
And so it was in both countries'
interests.
570
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440
What we could then see in our own
documents was that bin Hammam
571
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,640
played a key role
in brokering those meetings.
572
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:07,120
He had hosted the Russian bid team
and the Russian Energy Minister
573
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,520
on a trip to Doha at which this deal
was allegedly discussed.
574
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,760
The Yamal Peninsula deal
I think says it all.
575
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480
This is how the operation
was conducted
576
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,880
and the sort of assets that Russia
and Qatar brought to bear.
577
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,440
The World Cup's bound up
with the sort of unseen way
578
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,840
in which the world really works.
579
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Unseemly, I would say, and unseen.
580
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,560
There was a lot of negative
attention being focused on Russia
581
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,240
as they were annexing Crimea
and committing atrocities
582
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,920
that many people would look at
and say, "This is unacceptable."
583
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,920
The focus on Russia, on Putin,
584
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,320
on any of the people that are
involved in doing those things,
585
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,000
is shifted when you then
turn on the lights
586
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,240
around a giant event
like a World Cup.
587
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,880
If you can host a tournament,
588
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680
it's a glue that sort of
increases the popularity
589
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,080
of unstable authoritarian
governments.
590
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,520
And I think that was part of
this equation and still is.
591
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,280
A World Cup does not produce money
for the country.
592
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,000
The country has to expend
a lot of money for the World Cup.
593
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,920
The economy naturally will take
some money by tourists and so on
594
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,160
but it is not an economic matter.
595
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,520
It's a prestigious matter.
596
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,440
Qatar is actually quite an isolated
country in the Middle East.
597
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,800
It has significant Sunni enemies
around it like Saudi and the UAE.
598
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,320
And therefore if Qatar can become
the first Middle East country
599
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,280
to host a major sports event
like this,
600
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,680
then that does solidify the regime
and its stability,
601
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,840
I think, significantly,
602
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,240
both in the region
and in the wider world.
603
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,920
Michel Platini, the former
French footballing superstar
604
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,720
and FIFA Executive Committee member,
605
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,160
had previously pledged his support
to the American bid.
606
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,640
But he came under increasing pressure
from Nicolas Sarkozy,
607
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,040
the then French President,
to switch his support to Qatar.
608
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,120
That was because Sarkozy was eyeing
a number of major deals with Qatar.
609
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,400
He was keen that Qatar buy up
and bail out
610
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,200
his favourite football team,
Paris St Germain,
611
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,800
which was haemorrhaging money
financially.
612
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,560
And a big deal by which
Qatar Airways would buy up
613
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,120
50 planes from Airbus,
the French company.
614
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,920
And one week before the decision,
615
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,240
I got a phone call
from Michel Platini.
616
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,200
And he told me,
"Something has happened.
617
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Now you will be in difficulties."
618
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,680
He was the President of UEFA
at that time
619
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,760
and he told me that he was asked
620
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,560
that his group should vote
for Qatar.
621
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,040
And four votes, they go to Qatar.
622
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,760
Then it was impossible
for US to win.
623
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,920
Platini lost courage.
624
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,040
He should have said
to the President, "No.
625
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,200
We go to do something for the world
and not only for one country."
626
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Football was being used
as a bargaining chip
627
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680
in these huge international deals.
628
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,680
Another way of looking at it is that
these huge international trade deals
629
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,560
were actually the bargaining chip
being traded around in world football
in exchange for World Cup votes.
630
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,000
The winner...
631
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,520
to organise the 2022 FIFA World Cup
is...
632
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,280
Qatar!
633
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,360
It was the biggest accomplishment of
the history of Qatar, in my opinion.
634
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,040
It was a super accomplishment
for bin Hammam.
635
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,800
Everybody in Qatar knows
what Mohamed bin Hammam
636
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,600
has done for football and
for the FIFA World Cup.
637
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,320
Bin Hammam was an absolute hero.
638
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,720
He was kind of almost a god in his
own country for the work he did.
639
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,280
How do you feel about that
particular coup that was pulled off?
640
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,080
I'm very proud, not only because the
World Cup is going to be in Qatar.
641
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,480
Qatar in this case
also are representing
642
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,160
all the small nations
and all small countries.
643
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,520
This is my biggest defeat
I have ever witnessed.
644
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,200
Bin Hammam's victory
took Blatter by surprise.
645
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,720
When bin Hammam did it by securing
such widespread support
646
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960
across the continent of Africa
in particular,
647
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,960
which is really the heartland of
Blatter's own base,
648
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,040
that was a real threat to Blatter.
649
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,800
He knew bin Hammam had long
harboured ambitions
650
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880
to go for the FIFA Presidency.
651
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,560
And very soon after
the World Cup decision,
652
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,240
he started manoeuvring against
bin Hammam in pretty overt ways.
653
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,760
Blatter came out
and announced unilaterally
654
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,720
that he was instituting
a new anti-corruption committee
655
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,840
to oversee FIFA,
to look at the World Cup bids.
656
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Now we have these independent bodies
657
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,040
and we have to follow what
they are going to find out.
658
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,240
The next thing Blatter did
was to declare
659
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,920
that he thought it may be impossible
to play the tournament in Qatar
in the summer.
660
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,240
If something happened,
the FIFA Executive Committee
661
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,400
can change the venue
of the World Cup,
662
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920
can take away the rights
to organise the World Cup.
663
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,440
Everything, we can do.
664
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,600
It became clear to bin Hammam that
to protect Qatar's World Cup bid,
665
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,040
he needed to be the man
in charge of world football.
666
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,240
And so that was really
what spurred him
667
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,160
to launch his own campaign
for the FIFA presidency in 2011.
668
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,080
Mohamed bin Hammam, although
once a close ally of Blatter,
669
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,120
is now calling for change.
670
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,400
This actually may be one of
the weaknesses of FIFA today.
671
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,800
He's been there too long?
Too long. 13 years as a president.
672
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Let us open the window
for fresh air to come.
673
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Meanwhile,
Phaedra Almajid came to us
674
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040
and made allegations
about the Qataris.
675
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,840
I write notes to myself, basically.
676
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Like a diary, I guess.
677
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:18,680
These were some of the notes
I took on the night in Angola
678
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,760
where I witnessed a bribe.
679
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,920
I remember needing to share it
with someone, just the shock of it.
680
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,360
I never planned to be
the whistle-blower.
681
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Parliament was looking into
England's failed bid.
682
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,320
As a result of that,
they did a call for evidence.
683
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,880
And so we submitted all the evidence
that we had picked up
684
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,280
from the six consultants
and from the two FIFA ExCo members.
685
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160
We also included some of
the allegations from Phaedra.
686
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,800
I know what the repercussions can be
for any whistle-blower.
687
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,400
So I was very scared.
688
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,240
And I wanted to be anonymous.
689
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,200
The Sunday Times
hired a lawyer for me.
690
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,280
The lawyer contacted FIFA
691
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,760
and said, "All right,
she's willing to give evidence."
692
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,840
We have asked for evidence
693
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920
and this famous whistle-blower
will be in FIFA on Wednesday.
694
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,600
They will tell us
if there is something or not.
695
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,440
He mentioned the exact day and time
696
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,280
I would be walking through
the FIFA doors.
697
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,360
I mean, you say that,
698
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,240
of course every media member
is going to be there.
699
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,680
And I just watched this, I was,
like, "Oh, no, I'm not.
700
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,120
I'm not flying to Zurich any time
soon when you've just announced it."
701
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,760
What he did was very,
very purposeful.
702
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,080
FIFA's not corrupt. Definitely not.
703
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,200
I think that Sepp Blatter
is a diabolic genius.
704
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120
She was there in Angola.
705
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,040
And has she given evidence or not?
706
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,320
Has she evidence?
707
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,280
I don't know. I don't know.
708
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,440
There was hacking into my G-mail
accounts, into my Facebook.
709
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,600
I started getting threatening emails
about my children.
710
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680
So I was very scared.
711
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,040
I'm a single mom.
712
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,640
This is the richest sporting
organisation in the world
713
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,720
and the richest country in the world
714
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,680
and I know there were no limits.
715
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Who did you think the threats
were coming from? The Qataris.
716
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,160
Definitely.
717
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,680
I needed it to stop.
I needed the threats to stop.
718
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,400
It was just the fear
for my children.
719
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,400
And so I told them,
"Look, I'll fix this.
720
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,760
I'll recant everything.
721
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,840
End of story. We'll move on."
722
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,960
You know, do I regret it? No.
723
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
I did what I had to do as a mother.
724
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,800
The one man many thought could beat
top football chief Sepp Blatter
withdraws.
725
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar says
he won't stand for FIFA President.
726
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440
Bin Hammam's decision
to drop out at the 11th hour
727
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,520
of the presidential race
728
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,880
was kind of a mystery
to his many supporters.
729
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,280
The prospect that he might defeat
Blatter in the election
730
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,840
was really the only leverage
he actually still held
731
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,640
to protect Qatar's World Cup bid.
732
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,720
But the answer to why bin Hammam
suddenly resigned
733
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,400
was disclosed to us when we received
a phone call from a source in Zurich.
734
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
It was someone who was very close
to Mohamed bin Hammam
735
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,440
and had been very close
to Sepp Blatter.
736
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,400
It explained to us that Mohamed bin
Hamman was invited to meet Blatter
737
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,240
at FIFA headquarters.
738
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,120
When he entered the office,
he found Blatter sitting there
739
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,800
with a very senior member
of the Qatari Royal Family
740
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,880
and was informed that a deal had been
done between Blatter and the Royal.
741
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,400
If Mohamed bin Hammam bowed out
gracefully from the FIFA presidential
race,
742
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,600
Blatter would ensure the Qatar
World Cup would come to no harm,
743
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,680
that the tournament would go ahead.
744
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,640
And if this story is correct,
745
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:00,120
and I have no reason to doubt
the words of Mohamed bin Hammam,
746
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,520
then they shook hands,
the deal was done.
747
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,200
It was he who had secured Blatter
his first victory in 1998
748
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,800
as FIFA President,
his re-election in 2002,
749
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,880
and who had pulled out all the stops
750
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,600
to achieve the seemingly
impossible feat
751
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,400
of winning the rights to host the
World Cup for his own Royal Family.
752
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,840
And to see these two figures uniting
against him was a devastating blow.
753
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,240
And worse still, he was told
that he was to retire home to Doha
754
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,920
and really never to speak publicly
about any of what had occurred.
755
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000
He was silenced.
756
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,960
This was a really key moment
at which Blatter showed
757
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,720
the full extent of his power
as a kind of mob boss
758
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,800
at the top of the organisation,
759
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,480
who is able to cut deals
and use alliances
760
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,840
to end someone else's career
and secure his own fortunes.
761
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,800
Mohamed bin Hammam
says that you made a deal
762
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,880
to let the Qataris keep the Cup
763
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,480
in exchange for bin Hammam dropping
out of the presidential race.
764
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,080
Not at all. This is the first time
I heard about that.
765
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,800
But not at all.
766
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,160
And I wouldn't enter
into such an arrangement.
767
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,360
Definitely not.
768
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,240
Presidente Joseph Blatter.
769
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,080
Sepp Blatter has been re-elected.
770
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,240
Blatter won another four-year term
as head of soccer's governing body.
771
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,320
There is not one single doubt
772
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:37,560
that the World Cup 2022 will be
organised in Qatar.
773
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,640
I just remember what a very
prominent member of the Qatar
Organising Committee told me,
774
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,720
is that,
"We played the rules of FIFA."
775
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,080
You have to blame FIFA, not the
countries, neither Russia nor Qatar.
776
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,680
They had no choice.
777
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,520
If they want the World Cup,
they have to play the FIFA rules.
778
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,600
The FIFA rules are dirty, so where
is the problem? It's with FIFA.
779
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,960
We are honoured to win
in this tough and fair fight.
780
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,960
From bottom of my heart,
781
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,240
thank you.
782
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,040
It's incredible how easy
it was to go to Russia.
783
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,720
Have they paid?
784
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,480
But we come back to Qatar.
785
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,240
Do you think Qatar paid bribes
to win the World Cup?
786
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,440
You know, I don't know if they paid.
787
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,360
Because I have not seen.
788
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,360
But in football, to get the World
Cup, everything is possible.
789
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,280
Everything is possible.
790
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,800
Giving a World Cup
to a specific country
791
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,000
will always create a very heated
discussion of yes or no.
792
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,880
Because it is connected
with that game of football
793
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,360
that is so emotional to us.
794
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,280
Because it's so popular,
because it connects us all,
795
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,680
there will always be
politics part of it.
796
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,440
I would love a world
where sport was pure
797
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,440
and politics didn't come into play,
corruption didn't come into play.
798
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Unfortunately, it's the reality.
799
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,600
FIFA's a business.
800
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,360
It's an institution but there are
people behind the institution.
801
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,160
And it's really important to
remember that people can be corrupt,
802
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,040
people can be bad,
people can make bad decisions.
803
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,440
And when that happens,
it can turn really ugly really fast.
804
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,640
The decision makers, most of them,
805
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:46,320
never played the game, never
felt the game like the fan is doing.
806
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,320
That is the issue that a lot of us
players, coaches have,
807
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,080
with those that run
the business side of things.
808
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,800
That kills you.
809
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,560
Sepp Blatter and the members
of his Executive Committee
810
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,720
really treated FIFA like
their own personal fiefdom.
811
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,200
They behave as though the game
belongs to them
812
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,800
and they can do with it whatever
they want to enrich themselves
813
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,640
and to further their own advantage.
814
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,800
And they do that without
really any regard
815
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,960
for the hundreds of millions of
people who genuinely love football
816
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
and actually care about the game.
817
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,160
There's a well known phrase in
The Beautiful Game.
818
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,640
The Beautiful Game
is the wonderful thing
819
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,600
of watching Pele or Johan Cruyff
820
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,600
or those great players
who played in the World Cups.
821
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,640
But this was the Ugly Game.
822
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:35,360
This was the football
administrators,
823
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,760
this was the corrupt deals
behind those football matches.
824
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,200
We were on a really tight deadline
trying to produce this story.
825
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,240
We knew that
for it to achieve maximum impact,
826
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,000
we needed to land this bombshell
right ahead of the 2014 World Cup,
827
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
which was taking place in Brazil
that year.
828
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,000
So we had to kind of draw a line
and then get it written.
829
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,880
And it was a lot of writing.
830
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,960
We were working really long hours.
831
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,320
It was kind of 16, 17, 18-hour days,
seven days a week.
832
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:13,240
The Sunday Times is going to devote
the first 11 pages to the story,
833
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,640
which, as our managing editor said,
is unheard of in peacetime.
834
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,680
We felt kind of daunted by the
magnitude of what we'd uncovered
835
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,240
and how explosive it was and
what the repercussions might be.
836
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,240
And when it broke, it went
around the world like a flash.
837
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,720
Mr bin Hammam.
838
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,360
It wasn't Brazil that was
making headlines today.
839
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,080
It was future hosts Qatar.
840
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,160
The story that Heidi and Jonathan
did shook world sport.
841
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,080
And it exposed just how corrupt
that process was.
842
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,240
For those running FIFA,
all the noise about Qatar
is the last thing they needed
843
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,520
as they prepare for a difficult
World Cup here in Brazil.
844
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,600
But the claims aren't going away.
845
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Now they need to convince the world
they're treating them seriously.
846
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,880
We felt there was surely no way the
World Cup could go ahead in Qatar,
847
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960
given what we had documented.
848
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,920
Mr President, are you worried about
more allegations of corruption?
849
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,600
It was pretty astonishing
the way Sepp Blatter
850
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,840
just totally ignored the evidence.
851
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,240
Sepp Blatter said the British
media's latest wave of allegations
about Qatar
852
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,320
was motivated by racism.
853
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,720
If corruption allegations against
Qatar's bid are proved,
854
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,800
should there be a revote?
855
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,880
For a start-
No, listen.
856
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,960
Let me answer. Let me answer.
857
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,440
I am not a prophet. That's all.
858
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,600
So we wait the results
and we will see what will happen.
859
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,280
There was a whitewash and basically
FIFA was doing what it always did,
860
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,000
which was to avoid engaging
with the corruption at its heart.
861
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,480
It was frustrating.
It was intensely frustrating.
862
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,160
We couldn't get FIFA
to take this thing seriously.
863
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,720
Sepp Blatter remained in place
as President of FIFA,
864
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,520
despite presiding over
this complete charade.
865
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,360
It felt like we'd failed
at forcing a change.
866
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200
But what we didn't know was,
867
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,760
that all the time we'd thought
it was up to us,
868
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,720
the FBI were investigating,
869
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,480
and the whole FIFA house of cards
was about to come crashing down.
870
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Until you have somebody
involved in the conspiracy
871
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,840
explain to you what is going on,
872
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,720
the case will not break open.
873
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,680
People said, "FIFA's like a mob
and gangsters and stuff."
874
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,800
But I never thought of Chuck
as that. But I guess he was.
875
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,120
We were opening up the tip
of a big old iceberg.
876
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,680
It is a monumental takedown.
877
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,160
This is the biggest sports bust
in history.
878
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,840
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