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[Indistinct muted chatter]
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Good morning.
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Oh. Hey. Morning.
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Everyone's gathered.
We're all ready if you are.
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Yeah, let's do it.
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You need that?
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Oh. Hey, uh,
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listen, Aaron...
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Thanks for letting me
set this up.
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But the whole team really
didn't need to be here.
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I'm the one
that owed the favor.
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Everyone insisted.
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How you doing?
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Sorry--what?
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You ok?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm great.
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I'm good. Uh...
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I'll meet you over there
in a minute, ok?
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Woman: It's rare that an
undergraduate criminology class
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gets guest speakers
of this caliber.
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But today
we're specially fortunate.
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I'd like to welcome
an old friend,
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esteemed author
and FBI Agent David Rossi,
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and his team,
the Behavioral Analysis Unit.
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Now, they've agreed to spend
an hour of their valuable time
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talking about what they do
and how they do it.
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So let's make them
feel welcome.
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[Applause]
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Thank you, Dr. Grant.
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Now, when she said
I was an old friend,
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she was just referring
to the fact
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that we've known each other
for a very long time.
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[Laughter]
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Now, as the good
Professor said,
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I am supervisory
Special Agent Rossi.
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These are SSAs Jareau,
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Prentiss,
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Hotchner, and Morgan.
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This is Dr. Spencer Reid.
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And on keyboards today
we have our technical analyst
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Ms. Penelope Garcia.
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at the BAU we use
behavioral science,
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research, casework,
and training
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to hunt down monsters.
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Rapists, terrorists,
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pedophiles,
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and our specialty,
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serial killers.
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Does anybody here know
exactly what a serial killer is?
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Someone who's committed
more than one murder.
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That's very good.
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By statute,
3 is the magic number.
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And it's actually more qualitative
than quantitative for us.
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And today we're going
to talk about how some
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serial killers get made.
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Because if you can
understand that,
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then you can figure out
a way to catch them.
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Garcia.
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My liege.
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Ok, this is Rachel Moore,
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a 17-year-old runaway
from Spokane, Washington.
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Now, she grew up poor
and in a broken home.
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Her mom left her dad because he
liked to drink and beat on her.
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And this is Tina Dyson,
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a 19-year-old college
student from Seattle.
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Rossi: Now, she was
a trust fund kid,
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and she got straight As
and came from a loving family.
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Now, these two girls
couldn't be any more different.
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But the one thing
that they had in common
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is they both crossed paths
with the most prolific serial killer
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the BAU has ever seen.
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One thing you should understand
is that no two killers are the same.
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They each occupy their own point
on the behavioral spectrum.
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Genetics, brain chemistry,
psychology, and environment
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are all factors.
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But we believe that
this particular killer
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grew up in an environment
so adverse
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that he never had a chance.
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Bastard!
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Prentiss: He endured years of
cruel and abject physical abuse.
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Hotch: As well as horribly
profound psychological abuse.
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No. No!
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Morgan: When he wasn't being
ignored, he was being humiliated.
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Let me in!
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Let me in! Let me in!
Please!
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Now let me be clear.
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Most abused kids do not
turn into killers.
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Not even all psychopaths
become killers.
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But this particular
unknown subject,
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or unsub,
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suffered extreme abuse,
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and it has everything to do
with why he does what he does.
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Now, these are some
of his victims.
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He kidnapped them,
he restrained them,
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and he starved them
for days.
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Then he killed them by mutilating
their reproductive organs.
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Right now we know there are
at least 40 of them.
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But we believe that he may
eventually claim over 100 victims.
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Now, we chose this case
for today
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because we've been
discovering bodies
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up and down the West Coast
since 1992.
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For lack of a better word,
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it's a classic.
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This unsub's entire childhood
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was a crucible,
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and in it, a psychotic
killer was forged.
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♪ Criminal Minds 7x22 ♪
Profiling 101
Original Air Date on May 9, 2012
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♪
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Rossi: The philosopher
Voltaire wrote,
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"to the living we owe respect,
but to the dead
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we owe only the truth."
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The dead are the cornerstone
of every homicide investigation.
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Victims give us a look
into the killer's mind.
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If you want to know
about a hunter,
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study his prey.
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Ok, so the unsub's
first victims
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were discovered two weeks apart
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in 1992 in Seattle.
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The first victim that was found
was Rachel Moore.
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She was the runaway.
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Her body had been thrown
into a dumpster in an alley.
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The medical examiner said
that she was very malnourished
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and really dehydrated.
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JJ: The ligature marks
on her wrists and ankles
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made it apparent that she'd
been restrained for days.
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He held her,
but he didn't feed her.
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So she's weak.
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It's his sadistic way
to subdue her.
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Several defensive wounds
on her hands and forearms.
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She put up
a hell of a fight.
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That a girl.
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53 stab wounds to the lower
abdomen and genitals.
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The damage made it
impossible to determine
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if there was
any sexual assault.
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That might be a forensic
countermeasure.
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Here's my report.
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Stay as long as you need.
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Her mother should be here
in an hour.
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A hell of a way to see her
after 2 years.
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Prentiss: 53 stab wounds.
That's a lot of work.
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Does anyone want to tell me
what they think that means?
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Hatred?
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Frustration.
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He's angry.
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You're all correct.
It's called overkill.
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Typically it means the murder
was personal somehow.
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That, or the unsub
is psychotic
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and/or prone to
violent outbursts.
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[Cell phone rings]
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The overkill may also show
his inexperience.
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This was probably
his first kill,
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and he was feeling his way
through it, working out his M.O.
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But there's a lot about Rachel
that tells us about the unsub.
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She was young,
so most likely he was, too.
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Male student:
What makes you think that?
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She lived in a shelter
and had a part-time job,
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so she was a street kid,
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but not necessarily
the reckless type.
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She wouldn't just
go off with anyone.
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Yeah, Warden, it's Rossi.
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What?
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Riot?
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W-w-w-wait.
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Look, he's not gonna
give me a rain check.
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I have to see him today.
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So the unsub maybe
lured her with a ruse
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or he blitz attacked her,
he took her by surprise.
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Now, either one of these would
be easier if you were young.
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You can tell all that
from just one victim?
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I'd say it was two weeks later
when we found the second victim
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that we started
to piece that together.
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Tina Dyson was home for the
summer when she disappeared.
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Her body was found in a shallow
grave just outside of Seattle.
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But it was actually
her abduction site
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that gave us the answers
we needed.
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[Laughing]
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Morgan: Tina and two
of her friends had fake I.D.s
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and they decided to go
to a local grunge bar.
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Prentiss: But they drank
too much and Tina got sick,
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so while one friend
was inside dancing,
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the other went out
to hold Tina's hair.
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It's all right.
Come on.
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[Retching]
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I'm gonna go get Janice, ok?
We're going home.
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Ohh...Good, yeah.
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[Moaning]
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Ohh...Ohh...
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Man: You ok?
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Yeah. Jeez,
what are you, a ninja?
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Where'd you come from?
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So his anger is obviously
directed at women.
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Yes, but the real
question is why,
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and the why is what always
leads us to the who.
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I need to talk to you.
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JJ: He was attacking their genitals
and reproductive organs.
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Why?
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Was he impotent
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and hates the thing
that he can't have?
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Did his wife or girlfriend
abort a child?
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It's a federal prison, Dave.
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We can't just call them up
and tell them what to do.
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You have to know someone
in justice who can pull some strings.
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I've got to see him today,
Aaron. You know that.
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The possibilities
are endless.
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And the unsub was figuring
it all out for himself, too.
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We know that because
he was evolving.
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He started with a runaway,
a victim with a high-risk lifestyle.
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He probably knew that her abduction
would go unreported.
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JJ: Then he upped his game
and grabbed a college girl,
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which meant more risk
for himself.
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Reid: He dumped his first victim
Rachel in an alley,
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but he took the time
to bury Tina,
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which suggests he felt
more connected to her
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and perhaps he even
felt remorse.
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Did you ever
catch this guy?
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Uh, what's your name,
young man?
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David Zimmerman.
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Don't interrupt, Zimmerman.
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[Laughter]
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Now, we, uh, we knew
we needed to warn the public,
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so we contacted the media,
papers, local news.
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That was back before
the Internet exploded.
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And then, as will happen
from time to time,
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the case went completely cold.
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We didn't hear from him
again until 1997.
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Two bodies were found
in Golden Gate Park,
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in San Francisco.
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Same M.O.
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Evidently our guy.
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Excuse me, I'm looking
for the case Agent.
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That would be me.
Agent Rossi, I'm Agent Hotchner,
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Seattle division.
We spoke on the phone.
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Uh, I inherited the case
from Agent Bidwell.
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Thanks for coming so quickly.
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Yeah, I hopped the first
flight from Dulles.
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Came straight from
the airport.
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That's a long trip.
With bad food.
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Let me show you
what we found.
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A jogger discovered the first
body dumped in the bushes
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about 30 yards
over the road here.
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The M.E. said that she'd
been there almost a month.
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Any critters get to her?
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We had to use dental records
to identify her. Watch your step.
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So we did a search
of the area
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and we discovered the second
body in this shallow grave.
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She'd been here
less than a week.
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So, he dumped the first one
and buried the second.
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Just like he did in '92.
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The first victim--
was she a runaway?
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25-year-old prostitute
and crack addict.
254
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The second?
255
00:11:59,607 --> 00:12:01,241
A 27-year-old
mother of two.
256
00:12:01,243 --> 00:12:03,086
Both women had had
their reproductive organs
257
00:12:03,111 --> 00:12:04,462
completely removed.
258
00:12:04,463 --> 00:12:06,880
Not just mangled.
He's evolving.
259
00:12:06,882 --> 00:12:09,165
Sounds like he's moving
more toward ritual.
260
00:12:09,167 --> 00:12:10,917
And apparently he's not
locked into an age preference.
261
00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:13,753
The victims seem to be
aging along with him.
262
00:12:13,755 --> 00:12:15,138
What about stomach contents?
263
00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:18,008
The victims were dehydrated
and hadn't eaten in days.
264
00:12:18,010 --> 00:12:20,260
My guess is he hasn't been
back in Seattle in a while.
265
00:12:20,262 --> 00:12:21,895
What makes you say that?
266
00:12:21,897 --> 00:12:24,264
He needs someplace private
to hold them.
267
00:12:24,266 --> 00:12:25,631
He might live close.
268
00:12:25,633 --> 00:12:27,817
Dumping a body
in a public park is risky.
269
00:12:27,819 --> 00:12:31,471
It tells me that
he's comfortable, settled in.
270
00:12:31,473 --> 00:12:33,558
He might even have chosen
this spot to be able to come
271
00:12:33,583 --> 00:12:35,493
back and relive the kills.
272
00:12:35,494 --> 00:12:37,477
You've done your homework,
Agent.
273
00:12:37,479 --> 00:12:40,013
5 years is a long time
to be dormant.
274
00:12:40,015 --> 00:12:42,198
He wasn't dormant.
275
00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,203
A killer that vicious
is like a drug addict
276
00:12:45,228 --> 00:12:46,420
that needs a fix.
277
00:12:46,421 --> 00:12:48,838
Hotch: We were fairly certain
that he had kept on killing.
278
00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,673
We just hadn't
found the bodies yet.
279
00:12:50,675 --> 00:12:53,009
Rossi: Now, we knew
that back in '92
280
00:12:53,011 --> 00:12:55,462
when the media went wide
with the story,
281
00:12:55,464 --> 00:13:00,050
our unsub got spooked
and he disappeared.
282
00:13:01,886 --> 00:13:04,854
So we tried to get
in front of it,
283
00:13:04,856 --> 00:13:07,941
meaning that if we could control
the spread of information,
284
00:13:07,943 --> 00:13:10,393
we might be able to keep the
unsub from fleeing again.
285
00:13:10,395 --> 00:13:12,529
But back then
the BAU was still young.
286
00:13:12,531 --> 00:13:16,082
We didn't have press liaisons
or technical analysts.
287
00:13:16,084 --> 00:13:17,458
Hotch: By the time
we contacted the media,
288
00:13:17,483 --> 00:13:19,374
the story had already broken.
289
00:13:25,826 --> 00:13:27,660
TV narrator: A symbol
of the American west--
290
00:13:27,662 --> 00:13:29,329
a lone coyote hunts
for prey.
291
00:13:29,331 --> 00:13:32,132
Agent Rossi, are you making
any progress in the investigation?
292
00:13:32,134 --> 00:13:33,416
Quite a bit, yes.
293
00:13:33,418 --> 00:13:35,301
So do you have
any solid leads?
294
00:13:35,303 --> 00:13:36,252
Several.
295
00:13:36,254 --> 00:13:38,171
Agent Rossi, can you
confirm the rumors
296
00:13:38,173 --> 00:13:40,540
that the Womb Raider
disembowels his victims?
297
00:13:40,542 --> 00:13:41,874
Excuse me?
298
00:13:41,876 --> 00:13:43,676
Can you confirms
the rumors that the womb--
299
00:13:43,678 --> 00:13:45,595
Oh, I'll confirm
something for you.
300
00:13:45,597 --> 00:13:48,098
Womb Raider is a name
that you gave him.
301
00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:50,216
I won't glorify him.
I call him a murderer.
302
00:13:50,218 --> 00:13:52,318
Then exactly how
is he killing them?
303
00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,654
My only concern
is capturing him
304
00:13:54,656 --> 00:13:57,490
and bringing closure
to the families of the victims.
305
00:13:57,492 --> 00:13:58,891
No further questions.
306
00:14:00,077 --> 00:14:02,728
[Chuckling]
307
00:14:09,645 --> 00:14:11,095
"Womb Raider."
308
00:14:11,097 --> 00:14:13,564
I hoped the nickname
would embolden him.
309
00:14:13,566 --> 00:14:17,819
Thought maybe he would escalate
and trip on his own hubris.
310
00:14:17,821 --> 00:14:20,688
But, um, that didn't happen.
311
00:14:20,690 --> 00:14:23,107
Unfortunately, he vanished just like
he'd done before
312
00:14:23,109 --> 00:14:24,592
and the trail
went cold again.
313
00:14:24,594 --> 00:14:25,943
We did everything we could.
314
00:14:25,945 --> 00:14:28,780
We had every division
up and down the West Coast
315
00:14:28,782 --> 00:14:31,115
scouring
missing person reports.
316
00:14:31,117 --> 00:14:34,902
A lot of possibilities,
but no clear hits.
317
00:14:34,904 --> 00:14:37,421
In the meantime,
Agent Rossi retired,
318
00:14:37,423 --> 00:14:39,423
but the BAU grew.
319
00:14:39,425 --> 00:14:41,626
We trained more profilers,
320
00:14:41,628 --> 00:14:44,212
hired tech analysts,
press liaisons,
321
00:14:44,214 --> 00:14:45,913
and we even got
our own resident genius.
322
00:14:45,915 --> 00:14:47,849
Thank you.
Thank you.
323
00:14:47,851 --> 00:14:50,251
[Laughter]
324
00:14:50,253 --> 00:14:52,103
Agent Rossi,
why did you retire?
325
00:14:53,222 --> 00:14:55,356
That's a good question.
326
00:14:55,358 --> 00:14:58,425
Well, the simple answer
is I needed a change.
327
00:14:58,427 --> 00:15:00,695
I was working on my
third divorce, and...
328
00:15:00,697 --> 00:15:01,762
Third?
329
00:15:01,764 --> 00:15:03,865
Yes, Zimmerman,
my third.
330
00:15:03,867 --> 00:15:05,233
[Laughter]
331
00:15:05,235 --> 00:15:07,434
So I needed a break,
and I figured writing books
332
00:15:07,436 --> 00:15:10,104
might help give me
some peace of mind.
333
00:15:10,106 --> 00:15:12,907
Did it?
Give you peace of mind?
334
00:15:12,909 --> 00:15:15,076
For a time, yes.
335
00:15:15,078 --> 00:15:17,784
In 2005, we got another hit
on the unsub,
336
00:15:17,809 --> 00:15:18,747
this time in Los Angeles.
337
00:15:18,748 --> 00:15:21,249
We knew it was him
because of his signature.
338
00:15:21,251 --> 00:15:22,750
Sorry, what's a signature?
339
00:15:22,752 --> 00:15:24,886
It's a rare combination
of M.O. and ritual
340
00:15:24,888 --> 00:15:27,889
that allows us to link cases over
time and geographic distances.
341
00:15:27,891 --> 00:15:31,142
Her name was Lana Cooper.
She was a 33-year-old prostitute.
342
00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:35,263
Her body was found by a boy
walking his dog in Griffith Park.
343
00:15:35,265 --> 00:15:38,966
Ligature marks on her wrists
and ankles. She was restrained.
344
00:15:38,968 --> 00:15:40,768
And he gave her
a complete hysterectomy.
345
00:15:40,770 --> 00:15:44,572
The uterus, ovaries,
fallopian tubes, all removed.
346
00:15:44,574 --> 00:15:47,325
A little crude, but he cut all
the right ligaments.
347
00:15:47,327 --> 00:15:48,826
He knew what he was doing.
348
00:15:48,828 --> 00:15:50,328
What about her throat?
349
00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:53,331
That was done postmortem.
He cut out her vocal cords.
350
00:15:53,333 --> 00:15:55,833
Might be a symbolic way
of keeping her silent.
351
00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:58,452
So she was alive when he
performed the hysterectomy.
352
00:15:58,454 --> 00:16:00,421
Anything in her stomach?
353
00:16:00,423 --> 00:16:02,673
Dry as a bone.
She hadn't eaten in days.
354
00:16:02,675 --> 00:16:04,258
So he starved her, too.
355
00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:05,693
That's
a pretty specific M.O.
356
00:16:05,695 --> 00:16:07,211
This probably isn't
his first victim.
357
00:16:07,213 --> 00:16:09,597
I wonder if we should be looking
at doctors and medical students.
358
00:16:09,599 --> 00:16:11,265
It's definitely
not his first victim.
359
00:16:11,267 --> 00:16:13,718
I don't think he's a doctor
or a medical student.
360
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,020
No.
Calling Gideon?
361
00:16:16,022 --> 00:16:18,356
[Cell phone ringing] The first call I made
was to Agent Rossi.
362
00:16:18,358 --> 00:16:19,774
I knew he was writing his book,
363
00:16:19,776 --> 00:16:24,779
but I didn't want to start
to build a profile without him.
364
00:16:24,781 --> 00:16:27,982
A profile is personality
and identifying characteristics
365
00:16:27,984 --> 00:16:31,336
of the unsub which helps
the investigator narrow
366
00:16:31,361 --> 00:16:32,520
down the suspect pool.
367
00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:34,155
Basically it's a behavioral
description
368
00:16:34,157 --> 00:16:37,124
of the type of person
we think the unsub might be.
369
00:16:37,126 --> 00:16:38,326
It goes a little like this--
370
00:16:38,328 --> 00:16:40,328
we were looking for
a white male
371
00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:42,246
in his early to mid-30s.
372
00:16:42,248 --> 00:16:45,633
Hotch: We think he was antisocial
and had low self-esteem,
373
00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:47,201
so he probably
kept to himself.
374
00:16:47,203 --> 00:16:48,753
Prentiss:
But he needed money,
375
00:16:48,755 --> 00:16:51,587
so he was most likely
a day laborer, a janitor,
376
00:16:51,612 --> 00:16:52,707
maybe a handyman.
377
00:16:52,708 --> 00:16:54,541
Anything menial
and temporary.
378
00:16:54,543 --> 00:16:56,928
Morgan: He was personable enough
to get a job wherever he went,
379
00:16:56,930 --> 00:16:59,847
but unassuming enough
not to stick out.
380
00:16:59,849 --> 00:17:01,983
He held and restrained
his victims for days,
381
00:17:01,985 --> 00:17:04,551
so he would need
a contained space to do that.
382
00:17:04,553 --> 00:17:07,388
But he was also mobile. That
meant he had his own transport.
383
00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:09,390
Most likely a truck
or a van.
384
00:17:09,392 --> 00:17:12,443
JJ: And when he was on the move
and not settled,
385
00:17:12,445 --> 00:17:13,894
he probably lived
out of that vehicle.
386
00:17:13,896 --> 00:17:15,413
Hotch: We knew he always
started with a victim
387
00:17:15,415 --> 00:17:17,081
who lived a high-risk
lifestyle,
388
00:17:17,083 --> 00:17:19,417
like a prostitute
or a runaway.
389
00:17:19,419 --> 00:17:22,870
And then he moved on to a victim
with a low-risk lifestyle.
390
00:17:22,872 --> 00:17:25,433
JJ: So we knew his next kill
would be something of
391
00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:27,458
a soccer mom in her 30s.
392
00:17:28,795 --> 00:17:31,431
I'm sorry, but what exactly
was he doing with the organs
393
00:17:31,456 --> 00:17:32,848
he was removing?
394
00:17:32,849 --> 00:17:35,266
We didn't know. It could have been
some sort of fetish.
395
00:17:35,268 --> 00:17:36,767
Russian serial killer
Andrei Chikatilo
396
00:17:36,769 --> 00:17:38,602
actually ate the uterus
of one of his victims.
397
00:17:38,604 --> 00:17:40,054
Oh, my God, eew.
398
00:17:40,056 --> 00:17:41,889
This focus on
reproductive organs
399
00:17:41,891 --> 00:17:44,483
could also indicate
a deep-seated sense
400
00:17:44,508 --> 00:17:45,694
of self-loathing.
401
00:17:45,695 --> 00:17:48,229
He might have hated
the fact that he was born.
402
00:17:48,231 --> 00:17:50,147
Or he had some sort of traumatic
life-changing event
403
00:17:50,149 --> 00:17:51,598
associated with birth.
404
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,735
And he could have hated
his own mother.
405
00:17:54,737 --> 00:17:57,425
The strained mother-child
relationship is a hallmark
406
00:17:57,450 --> 00:17:58,290
for many killers.
407
00:17:58,291 --> 00:17:59,740
That doesn't make any sense.
408
00:17:59,742 --> 00:18:01,742
I hate myself
or I hate my mother,
409
00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:05,212
so I kill women
by ripping out their wombs?
410
00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,531
It only needs
to make sense to him.
411
00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:10,251
One man's logic
is another man's crazy.
412
00:18:10,253 --> 00:18:12,253
What's the deal with
the vocal cords?
413
00:18:12,255 --> 00:18:13,921
That was something new.
414
00:18:13,923 --> 00:18:16,123
We thought it might have been
symbolic of his own silence.
415
00:18:16,125 --> 00:18:18,125
He was raised to believe
he was worthless and unwanted,
416
00:18:18,127 --> 00:18:20,094
so essentially
he never had his own voice.
417
00:18:20,096 --> 00:18:22,580
His victims became
surrogates for his rage
418
00:18:22,582 --> 00:18:26,717
and a means by which
to exact his revenge.
419
00:18:26,719 --> 00:18:30,404
[Woman whimpering]
420
00:18:37,112 --> 00:18:40,281
We stayed in L.A. for 6 weeks
and worked the case.
421
00:18:40,283 --> 00:18:42,283
And then it went cold,
again.
422
00:18:42,285 --> 00:18:44,318
No low-risk soccer
mom turned up,
423
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,953
no soccer moms
went missing.
424
00:18:45,955 --> 00:18:47,755
Then our resources
were exhausted,
425
00:18:47,757 --> 00:18:50,157
we had other cases,
so we were forced to leave.
426
00:18:50,159 --> 00:18:52,943
But I rented a house
in the Hollywood Hills
427
00:18:52,945 --> 00:18:55,346
and decided to finish
my book out there.
428
00:18:55,348 --> 00:18:58,920
I figured if I was close
I could lend a hand
429
00:18:58,945 --> 00:19:00,585
if something happened.
430
00:19:00,586 --> 00:19:03,888
3 months I stayed and nothing.
431
00:19:06,391 --> 00:19:09,276
Now, in the past
he packed up and moved
432
00:19:09,278 --> 00:19:11,729
when the story broke
and we got too close.
433
00:19:11,731 --> 00:19:14,065
But this time
the media was quiet.
434
00:19:14,067 --> 00:19:17,952
The victim was a hooker
nobody cared about.
435
00:19:17,954 --> 00:19:20,121
So, what drove him under?
436
00:19:20,123 --> 00:19:23,524
It would be 4 years
before we got another break.
437
00:19:23,526 --> 00:19:28,162
Not too long after,
I came out of retirement.
438
00:19:31,633 --> 00:19:32,800
What?
439
00:19:32,802 --> 00:19:35,302
Rochelle Jenkins,
a 40-year-old prostitute
440
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,837
was found dumped
in an alley in Seattle.
441
00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,806
She was given
a complete hysterectomy.
442
00:19:38,808 --> 00:19:41,842
Her vocal cords
were cut out, too.
443
00:19:41,844 --> 00:19:44,395
He's back where he got started.
444
00:19:44,397 --> 00:19:47,348
He'll be on the hunt for a
low-risk victim in her 40s next.
445
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:50,684
[Sighs] I wonder
what brought him home.
446
00:19:50,686 --> 00:19:52,887
It's a long trip.
We should get going.
447
00:19:52,889 --> 00:19:55,990
Rossi: But this time
we were ready for him.
448
00:19:55,992 --> 00:19:58,242
We wanted to use the press
to our advantage.
449
00:19:58,244 --> 00:20:02,163
So we came up with what's called
a targeted media strategy.
450
00:20:02,165 --> 00:20:04,281
Reporter: Agent, is it true
you have a suspect in custody?
451
00:20:04,283 --> 00:20:05,833
Yes, he's being
questioned as we speak.
452
00:20:05,835 --> 00:20:08,619
Second reporter: Can you tell us
how you apprehended him?
453
00:20:08,621 --> 00:20:11,872
With good police work,
especially from the Seattle P.D.
454
00:20:11,874 --> 00:20:13,624
and the Washington State Patrol.
455
00:20:13,626 --> 00:20:15,577
Is it true that the killer's
been on the loose
456
00:20:15,602 --> 00:20:16,711
since the early nineties?
457
00:20:16,712 --> 00:20:19,296
That remains to be seen,
but we do believe
458
00:20:19,298 --> 00:20:20,931
we can link him
to several murders.
459
00:20:20,933 --> 00:20:23,917
Thank you. Now, if you'll excuse us,
we've got work to do.
460
00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,219
So you did catch him.
461
00:20:25,221 --> 00:20:29,723
No. But we wanted him to think
we caught the wrong guy.
462
00:20:29,725 --> 00:20:30,691
Why?
463
00:20:30,693 --> 00:20:32,610
To give him a false
sense of security.
464
00:20:32,612 --> 00:20:35,404
If he thinks we messed up,
then maybe he relaxes
465
00:20:35,429 --> 00:20:36,948
and makes a mistake.
466
00:20:36,949 --> 00:20:39,450
That, or he gets angry
because he thinks someone else
467
00:20:39,452 --> 00:20:40,901
is stealing his thunder.
468
00:20:40,903 --> 00:20:42,486
Either way,
the aim of the strategy
469
00:20:42,488 --> 00:20:44,321
is the throw the killer
off course.
470
00:20:44,323 --> 00:20:46,157
Otherwise, all we're doing
is reacting to him,
471
00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:49,210
and we needed him
to react to us.
472
00:20:49,212 --> 00:20:51,078
Lord knows I love him, but here's
to a night without him.
473
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,380
Husbands, too.
To the kids.
474
00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:54,582
Ok, fine, have it your way.
475
00:20:54,584 --> 00:20:56,634
We're too old for this.
476
00:20:56,636 --> 00:20:58,002
Speak for yourself.
477
00:20:58,004 --> 00:21:02,089
Ok, ladies, bottoms up,
lick, drink, suck. Yeah?
478
00:21:04,059 --> 00:21:05,426
Mm!
479
00:21:05,428 --> 00:21:07,561
Whoo-hoo!
Ha ha!
480
00:21:07,563 --> 00:21:09,963
She's whoo-hooing, you know
we're in for a long night.
481
00:21:09,965 --> 00:21:11,148
[Laughing]
482
00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:12,466
We need some more water.
483
00:21:12,468 --> 00:21:14,802
We should get another round.
484
00:21:14,804 --> 00:21:16,353
[Laughing]
485
00:21:16,355 --> 00:21:17,821
You're insane.
486
00:21:17,823 --> 00:21:20,107
[Indistinct chatter]
487
00:21:20,109 --> 00:21:22,776
[Laughing]
488
00:21:22,778 --> 00:21:25,362
Play date tomorrow?
Meet me at the park?
489
00:21:25,364 --> 00:21:27,414
Can't. Soccer game
and birthday party. Sunday?
490
00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:28,449
Ok.
Sure.
491
00:21:28,451 --> 00:21:29,667
You all right to drive?
492
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:30,984
That drink was what,
493
00:21:30,986 --> 00:21:32,703
two hours and
a big dinner ago.
494
00:21:32,705 --> 00:21:34,821
I'm fine. Go.
Are you sure?
495
00:21:34,823 --> 00:21:35,822
Bye, sweetie.
496
00:21:35,824 --> 00:21:36,823
Bye, girls.
497
00:21:36,825 --> 00:21:37,875
I'll talk to you soon, ok?
498
00:21:37,877 --> 00:21:39,293
Ok.
Yes.
499
00:21:39,295 --> 00:21:41,128
Good night.
500
00:21:42,430 --> 00:21:45,132
Hey, honey.
I'm on the way home.
501
00:21:45,134 --> 00:21:46,517
How are the boys?
502
00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:47,501
[Chuckles]
503
00:21:47,503 --> 00:21:50,671
Oh, it was fun.
Everyone says hi. Ok.
504
00:21:50,673 --> 00:21:52,673
Love you, too.
505
00:21:52,675 --> 00:21:55,809
Bye.
506
00:21:56,678 --> 00:21:57,978
[Car alarm beeps]
507
00:21:59,698 --> 00:22:01,715
[Muffled scream]
508
00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,198
He's been moving south
this whole time.
509
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,068
He could have gone east
or bounced back up north,
510
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:20,070
but no, always south.
511
00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,905
Almost like he's running
from something.
512
00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:23,272
Well, he's running from us.
513
00:22:23,274 --> 00:22:25,625
But why go back home now,
after all these years?
514
00:22:25,627 --> 00:22:27,210
Something brought him back.
515
00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:29,045
Rochelle Jenkins
was in her 40s,
516
00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:30,580
so we can assume
he is, too.
517
00:22:30,582 --> 00:22:33,049
Ok, so why do people
come home at that age?
518
00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:36,002
Family, special occasions,
funeral.
519
00:22:36,004 --> 00:22:37,003
Wait a minute.
520
00:22:37,005 --> 00:22:39,172
You guys have your own jet?
521
00:22:39,174 --> 00:22:42,258
Yes, Zimmerman,
as a matter of fact, we do.
522
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:43,259
[Murmuring]
523
00:22:43,261 --> 00:22:44,311
Show them, Penelope.
524
00:22:44,313 --> 00:22:45,962
One second...
525
00:22:45,964 --> 00:22:47,814
Ok. There you go.
526
00:22:47,816 --> 00:22:49,316
Students: Ooh...
Pretty sweet, huh?
527
00:22:49,318 --> 00:22:50,317
Yeah.
528
00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:52,018
[Laughter]
529
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,988
Hey, guys, a missing persons
report just came in.
530
00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:56,823
42 years old, Grace Powell,
mother of two,
531
00:22:56,825 --> 00:22:58,425
went out for girls night,
never came home.
532
00:22:58,427 --> 00:22:59,943
That's gotta be him.
533
00:22:59,945 --> 00:23:02,329
Garcia, where did he
take her from?
534
00:23:02,331 --> 00:23:03,413
Um...
535
00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:05,915
I recognized the place
immediately.
536
00:23:05,917 --> 00:23:09,485
It was hard to forget.
537
00:23:09,487 --> 00:23:13,623
This is where he took
Tina Dyson from in '92.
538
00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:15,675
This restaurant
was a dive bar.
539
00:23:15,677 --> 00:23:17,677
A dive bar?
In this neighborhood?
540
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,162
Things were different then.
541
00:23:19,164 --> 00:23:20,647
He didn't
just come back home.
542
00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,432
He returned
to the exact same spot.
543
00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:25,518
But why here? What is it
about this place?
544
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,421
It's where he grabbed
one of his first kills.
545
00:23:28,423 --> 00:23:30,590
The first ones
are always significant.
546
00:23:30,592 --> 00:23:32,942
And this is where my particular
skill set comes in handy.
547
00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:37,197
See, I am like one of those
wonderful people in prison movies
548
00:23:37,199 --> 00:23:38,698
that can get you
anything you need.
549
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,867
And we needed to know
everything there was to know
550
00:23:40,869 --> 00:23:42,652
about this particular
part of the city.
551
00:23:42,654 --> 00:23:44,070
So I went honey badger.
552
00:23:44,072 --> 00:23:46,740
I dug up police reports,
news articles,
553
00:23:46,742 --> 00:23:48,158
parking tickets, even.
554
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,860
If anything went down
in that area in the last 40 years,
555
00:23:50,862 --> 00:23:52,195
I knew about it.
556
00:23:52,197 --> 00:23:53,496
And I found zip.
557
00:23:53,498 --> 00:23:55,131
Zero. Stingy with the dinero.
558
00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:57,533
Couple of Fender-benders.
A bar fight.
559
00:23:57,535 --> 00:23:59,719
There was a homeless guy
who was into mooning people,
560
00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:01,921
but no life-changers.
561
00:24:01,923 --> 00:24:04,707
So I extended my search
another 10 years
562
00:24:04,709 --> 00:24:06,209
and I found this.
563
00:24:07,544 --> 00:24:11,514
This is a police report
from 1966,
564
00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,850
where a 16-year-old girl
was found raped
565
00:24:13,852 --> 00:24:15,885
in a parked car
on that street.
566
00:24:15,887 --> 00:24:17,353
But she was a minor,
567
00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:18,938
so her name wasn't
listed on the report.
568
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:21,608
Well, what's this girl
got to do with a serial killer?
569
00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:24,327
Pump your brakes, sweetcakes,
'cause I'm bringing it home.
570
00:24:24,329 --> 00:24:26,429
It turns out that Jane Doe,
instead of given a name,
571
00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,281
she was given a patient number.
572
00:24:28,283 --> 00:24:29,532
So I tracked that number,
573
00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:32,118
and it turned out that
she went back to that hospital
574
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,721
several times after...
575
00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:36,706
for prenatal care.
576
00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:39,008
And she eventually
brought that baby to term.
577
00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:44,013
[Screaming]
578
00:24:45,232 --> 00:24:49,636
Aah!
579
00:24:49,638 --> 00:24:51,805
Rossi: She hemorrhaged badly
during childbirth,
580
00:24:51,807 --> 00:24:54,340
and during her emergency
hysterectomy
581
00:24:54,342 --> 00:24:56,226
she died.
582
00:24:57,261 --> 00:24:59,312
It was at that point
that I was able to find
583
00:24:59,314 --> 00:25:01,264
the corresponding
death certificate
584
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:03,032
and get her name.
585
00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:04,734
Georgina Yates.
586
00:25:04,736 --> 00:25:06,936
Her son Thomas Yates survived.
587
00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:09,205
He was put into the custody
of his grandparents
588
00:25:09,207 --> 00:25:11,908
Trudy and Roy Yates,
Georgina's parents.
589
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:16,246
When we started
looking at Thomas...
590
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:17,881
We knew.
591
00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:19,549
Garcia: Growing up, he got
kicked out of two schools,
592
00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:21,835
both times for starting fires.
593
00:25:21,837 --> 00:25:23,786
Fire-starting
is the first part
594
00:25:23,788 --> 00:25:26,306
of what we used to call
the homicidal triad.
595
00:25:26,308 --> 00:25:29,625
The other two parts are
bedwetting and cruelty to animals.
596
00:25:29,627 --> 00:25:32,095
He was also in the emergency
room a lot as a kid.
597
00:25:32,097 --> 00:25:35,215
He had a broken arm, burns,
he broke a rib once.
598
00:25:35,217 --> 00:25:38,768
So he was either very clumsy
or he was being beaten.
599
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:41,771
Then when he was 15,
he committed his first murder.
600
00:25:41,773 --> 00:25:46,142
He was a skinny kid who snapped
and stabbed a bully at school.
601
00:25:46,144 --> 00:25:49,245
[Grunting]
602
00:25:52,482 --> 00:25:55,118
He was convicted,
served 3 years in juvey,
603
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,154
another 7 in prison, and then
he was released on parole.
604
00:25:58,156 --> 00:25:59,973
But when
he was on the inside,
605
00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:02,058
he spilled his guts
to the prison shrink.
606
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,660
He talked about how his
grandmother would starve him
607
00:26:04,662 --> 00:26:06,145
and make him sleep
in the dog house.
608
00:26:06,147 --> 00:26:08,014
How she would
beat him senseless...
609
00:26:08,016 --> 00:26:09,349
I wish you were never born!
610
00:26:09,351 --> 00:26:10,884
And sit on him
until he couldn't breathe.
611
00:26:10,886 --> 00:26:12,001
You're a curse!
612
00:26:12,003 --> 00:26:13,636
I hate you!
613
00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:15,471
And you actually
believed this guy?
614
00:26:15,473 --> 00:26:17,941
The prison psychiatrist
concluded that Thomas
615
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:19,726
[cell phone vibrates]
was telling the truth.
616
00:26:19,728 --> 00:26:21,060
His childhood
medical records
617
00:26:21,062 --> 00:26:23,630
also corroborated
this story.
618
00:26:23,632 --> 00:26:25,448
And at that point we realized
it wasn't the mother
619
00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:27,617
but the grandmother
who was the object of his rage.
620
00:26:27,619 --> 00:26:29,852
Woman: I have Senator
Hendricks on the line.
621
00:26:29,854 --> 00:26:31,738
Then I find out
his grandfather had just died,
622
00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:33,740
and his grandmother
had lung cancer
623
00:26:33,742 --> 00:26:37,160
and she had just been
admitted into hospice care.
624
00:26:37,162 --> 00:26:42,181
And that is what
brought Thomas home.
625
00:26:50,707 --> 00:26:54,310
Excuse me, uh,
Mrs. Trudy Yates?
626
00:26:54,312 --> 00:26:55,812
Who are you?
627
00:26:55,814 --> 00:26:58,431
I'm Agent Prentiss. This is
Agent Jareau. We're with the FBI.
628
00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:01,050
FBI? You got
the right Trudy Yates?
629
00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:03,653
Yes, I'm pretty sure
we do, ma'am.
630
00:27:03,655 --> 00:27:05,188
You're Thomas' grandmother,
right?
631
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:06,356
What about it?
632
00:27:06,358 --> 00:27:07,523
We're looking for him.
633
00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:10,443
Tommy? He in trouble?
634
00:27:10,445 --> 00:27:12,579
What'd he do this time?
635
00:27:12,581 --> 00:27:13,830
Do you know where he is?
636
00:27:13,832 --> 00:27:14,998
No idea.
637
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,617
When was the last time
you saw him?
638
00:27:17,619 --> 00:27:20,236
The day he put me
in this damn place.
639
00:27:20,238 --> 00:27:23,339
My daughter's womb
was cursed.
640
00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:26,125
That boy was a bastard
born in sin.
641
00:27:26,127 --> 00:27:29,045
Nothing good
comes out of sin.
642
00:27:32,049 --> 00:27:33,650
This is all we have.
Thank you so much.
643
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:36,219
Please give us a call
if you think of anything else.
644
00:27:36,221 --> 00:27:37,387
Will do.
645
00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:38,888
Thank you.
646
00:27:43,727 --> 00:27:45,261
[Ring]
647
00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:46,696
Baby, what can I do you for?
648
00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:48,564
Hey, mama, I need you
to run a number.
649
00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:52,035
206-555-0112.
650
00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,871
Okey-dokey. It is a prepaid
cell phone, hasn't been used in days.
651
00:27:54,873 --> 00:27:56,372
And what about this address?
652
00:27:56,374 --> 00:27:59,108
2334 Dawson Street,
unit K.
653
00:27:59,110 --> 00:28:01,711
Hold yourself, please.
654
00:28:04,748 --> 00:28:09,785
Unit K? He needs to be more
isolated than an apartment.
655
00:28:09,787 --> 00:28:11,620
It was a storage container.
656
00:28:11,622 --> 00:28:13,560
The same storage container
where his grandmother's
657
00:28:13,585 --> 00:28:15,585
stuff was being held.
658
00:28:33,577 --> 00:28:35,695
You smell that?
659
00:28:35,697 --> 00:28:38,314
It's coffee.
660
00:28:39,816 --> 00:28:42,368
FBI!
661
00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:44,003
Drop it.
662
00:28:47,324 --> 00:28:49,658
Thomas Yates,
you're under arrest.
663
00:28:53,847 --> 00:28:56,099
She's still got a pulse.
664
00:28:56,101 --> 00:28:58,501
Calling an ambulance.
665
00:28:58,503 --> 00:29:00,103
Agent Rossi.
666
00:29:00,105 --> 00:29:04,107
Nice to meet you
after all these years.
667
00:29:07,534 --> 00:29:10,176
We got Grace Powell
to the hospital in time
668
00:29:10,276 --> 00:29:11,325
and they saved her life.
669
00:29:11,327 --> 00:29:12,627
Though I'm not sure
670
00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:15,713
her psychological wounds
will ever heal.
671
00:29:15,715 --> 00:29:17,548
How come I've never
heard of this guy?
672
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:20,167
Have you ever heard
of Efren Saldivar?
673
00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:21,168
No.
674
00:29:21,170 --> 00:29:23,220
David Parker Ray.
675
00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:25,840
How about
John Edward Robinson?
676
00:29:25,842 --> 00:29:30,094
See, at any given time,
we have at least 25 open cases.
677
00:29:30,096 --> 00:29:32,430
Every year we're able
to close around 15,
678
00:29:32,432 --> 00:29:35,182
yet new ones
still seem to pop up.
679
00:29:35,184 --> 00:29:38,436
There are more serial killers
out there than you may think.
680
00:29:38,438 --> 00:29:41,138
But we finally had Yates
in custody,
681
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:44,325
and we questioned him
for two weeks straight.
682
00:29:44,327 --> 00:29:46,610
We all took turns.
683
00:29:46,612 --> 00:29:48,412
He didn't say a word.
684
00:29:48,414 --> 00:29:49,981
Never asked for
a bathroom break,
685
00:29:49,983 --> 00:29:51,916
glass of water, nothing.
686
00:29:51,918 --> 00:29:54,418
I thought given his M.O.,
being female,
687
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,621
I might be able to strike a nerve,
get him to open up,
688
00:29:57,623 --> 00:30:00,991
but he just sat there,
for hours.
689
00:30:00,993 --> 00:30:03,127
Staying absolutely silent
under that kind of pressure
690
00:30:03,129 --> 00:30:05,796
was a skill he undoubtedly
learned as a child.
691
00:30:05,798 --> 00:30:07,298
He was rendered silent
for so long,
692
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,100
it became
a conditioned response.
693
00:30:09,102 --> 00:30:11,385
But we had him
safely in custody.
694
00:30:11,387 --> 00:30:13,387
And we had other
cases to solve.
695
00:30:13,389 --> 00:30:16,173
Eventually Yates was tried and
he received the death penalty.
696
00:30:16,175 --> 00:30:18,309
And life went on.
697
00:30:18,311 --> 00:30:22,012
Then two years ago today...
698
00:30:22,014 --> 00:30:23,464
I got a call.
699
00:30:23,466 --> 00:30:27,184
[Cell phone rings]
700
00:30:27,186 --> 00:30:28,819
Rossi.
701
00:30:28,821 --> 00:30:30,821
Recording: You have a call
from an inmate
702
00:30:30,823 --> 00:30:32,289
in a correctional
facility.
703
00:30:32,291 --> 00:30:34,241
Inmate,
state your name.
704
00:30:34,243 --> 00:30:36,293
It's Tommy Yates.
705
00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:38,662
This call may be monitored
and recorded.
706
00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:40,364
Press 2 if you
accept the charges.
707
00:30:40,366 --> 00:30:41,716
If not, hang up.
708
00:30:41,718 --> 00:30:44,268
He called you personally?
How'd he get your number?
709
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:45,820
Probably
from his attorney.
710
00:30:45,822 --> 00:30:47,088
What did he want?
711
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:48,556
He wanted to make a deal,
712
00:30:48,558 --> 00:30:51,375
and I was the only one
he would make it with.
713
00:31:06,324 --> 00:31:09,160
Can we be alone, please?
714
00:31:18,203 --> 00:31:20,070
[Door closes]
715
00:31:22,174 --> 00:31:23,674
What do you want?
716
00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:25,176
Nice to see you, too.
717
00:31:25,178 --> 00:31:27,344
Why am I here, Yates?
718
00:31:27,346 --> 00:31:28,745
I told you.
719
00:31:28,747 --> 00:31:30,731
I want to make a deal.
720
00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:34,301
You're on death row,
721
00:31:34,303 --> 00:31:38,639
not exactly a strong
negotiating position.
722
00:31:40,609 --> 00:31:43,760
I've got something
for you.
723
00:31:43,762 --> 00:31:45,762
It's a present.
724
00:31:45,764 --> 00:31:47,531
Open it.
725
00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:48,732
What is it?
726
00:31:48,734 --> 00:31:50,985
Open it and see.
727
00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:56,657
You shouldn't have.
728
00:32:00,445 --> 00:32:03,080
Surprise.
729
00:32:03,082 --> 00:32:06,083
Those are some
of the girls I took.
730
00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:09,720
The ones
you didn't find.
731
00:32:09,722 --> 00:32:12,373
There's 40 there.
732
00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:18,095
Why should I believe you?
733
00:32:18,097 --> 00:32:20,314
I thought
you might ask that.
734
00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:22,566
It's all
part of the deal.
735
00:32:22,568 --> 00:32:24,151
Look, let's get
something straight.
736
00:32:24,153 --> 00:32:25,486
There is no deal.
737
00:32:25,488 --> 00:32:26,487
Not yet.
738
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:28,189
Not ever.
739
00:32:28,191 --> 00:32:31,642
There's actually
101 names.
740
00:32:31,644 --> 00:32:34,361
And I remember
all of them.
741
00:32:34,363 --> 00:32:37,414
And I'll tell you
where I put them.
742
00:32:37,416 --> 00:32:39,917
Here's what I want.
743
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,536
One--no death penalty.
744
00:32:42,538 --> 00:32:44,872
I don't care
if I rot in here.
745
00:32:44,874 --> 00:32:47,675
But no chair
and no injections.
746
00:32:47,677 --> 00:32:51,045
2--I want a transfer
to the East Coast.
747
00:32:51,047 --> 00:32:54,131
Grandma's dead.
Nothing holding me here.
748
00:32:54,133 --> 00:32:59,553
Plus, I like the idea
of snow in the winter.
749
00:32:59,555 --> 00:33:01,672
Never really had that
growing up.
750
00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:05,943
I didn't come all this way
to get smoke blown up my ass.
751
00:33:05,945 --> 00:33:08,178
After I get my sentence
commuted
752
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:09,813
and my transfer,
753
00:33:09,815 --> 00:33:11,649
I'll give you more names.
754
00:33:11,651 --> 00:33:13,701
But only one each year.
755
00:33:13,703 --> 00:33:16,487
To keep you honest.
756
00:33:16,489 --> 00:33:18,289
You understand.
757
00:33:19,857 --> 00:33:21,325
Anything else?
758
00:33:21,327 --> 00:33:23,210
Yes.
759
00:33:23,212 --> 00:33:26,964
I get to decide
when you get the name.
760
00:33:26,966 --> 00:33:30,501
It'll be on a special day
of my choosing.
761
00:33:30,503 --> 00:33:35,839
And you have to come
and get it from me personally.
762
00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,342
What do you say, Agent?
763
00:33:38,344 --> 00:33:41,428
Hmm?
764
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:43,380
Deal?
765
00:33:47,102 --> 00:33:48,686
We checked the list
he gave us,
766
00:33:48,688 --> 00:33:50,237
and then we went out
to the locations
767
00:33:50,239 --> 00:33:52,106
where he said
he'd dumped the bodies,
768
00:33:52,108 --> 00:33:54,391
and we found all 40.
769
00:33:54,393 --> 00:33:57,394
Did you actually make a deal
with that maniac?
770
00:33:57,396 --> 00:33:59,396
We did.
771
00:33:59,398 --> 00:34:01,081
Not to bend to his will,
772
00:34:01,083 --> 00:34:04,368
but to bring the families
of the victims some peace.
773
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:06,704
I'd been on the case
so long, I felt obligated
774
00:34:06,706 --> 00:34:09,707
to contact each
of the families personally.
775
00:34:09,709 --> 00:34:11,175
Mrs. Ruth Thomas?
776
00:34:13,461 --> 00:34:17,514
I'm Agent David Rossi
from the FBI.
777
00:34:17,516 --> 00:34:22,052
I have some information
about your daughter Sarah.
778
00:34:22,054 --> 00:34:25,723
I'm afraid I've got
bad news about Jessica...
779
00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:33,981
We found Chloe
two days ago in Griffith park.
780
00:34:33,983 --> 00:34:36,650
[Sobs]
781
00:34:36,652 --> 00:34:40,654
I can't tell you
how sorry I am for your loss.
782
00:34:46,962 --> 00:34:51,281
If I can do anything,
anything at all,
783
00:34:51,283 --> 00:34:54,284
please don't hesitate.
784
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:25,482
Does it ever get hard
dealing with all that tragedy?
785
00:35:28,319 --> 00:35:29,787
You know, it's funny.
786
00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:32,656
Some cases, they end well,
so you can forget them.
787
00:35:32,658 --> 00:35:35,092
And some, like this one...
788
00:35:35,094 --> 00:35:37,494
they become a part of you.
789
00:35:37,496 --> 00:35:39,663
Dead kids.
790
00:35:39,665 --> 00:35:41,348
Mutilated bodies.
791
00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:42,999
It's all so horrible.
792
00:35:43,001 --> 00:35:44,835
How do you do it?
793
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:52,059
Irish statesman and author
Edmund Burke once wrote,
794
00:35:52,061 --> 00:35:55,229
"The only thing necessary
for the triumph of evil
795
00:35:55,231 --> 00:35:58,198
is for good men
to do nothing."
796
00:35:59,401 --> 00:36:02,286
This job isn't
just what I do,
797
00:36:02,288 --> 00:36:04,288
it's who I am.
798
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,123
Is it worth it?
799
00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:08,992
For every life we save?
800
00:36:08,994 --> 00:36:10,861
Damn right it is.
801
00:36:10,863 --> 00:36:12,413
Absolutely it's worth it.
802
00:36:12,415 --> 00:36:15,215
I can't imagine
doing anything else.
803
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:19,837
Yes, Mr. Zimmerman.
804
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:24,007
So, you have to go visit
this guy every year
805
00:36:24,009 --> 00:36:26,176
to get the name
of another victim.
806
00:36:26,178 --> 00:36:28,011
That's right.
807
00:36:28,114 --> 00:36:30,315
So what was the special day
of his choosing?
808
00:36:35,153 --> 00:36:37,255
You really don't want us
to go with you?
809
00:36:37,257 --> 00:36:38,423
It's no trouble at all.
810
00:36:38,425 --> 00:36:39,374
No, it's ok.
811
00:36:39,376 --> 00:36:41,426
Rossi, it's like
2 hours away.
812
00:36:41,428 --> 00:36:43,761
Come on, I can drive. I'll get
us there in less than an hour.
813
00:36:43,763 --> 00:36:44,829
I'm good, really.
814
00:36:44,831 --> 00:36:46,681
We could stop for dinner
on the way home.
815
00:36:46,683 --> 00:36:47,665
Stop.
816
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:49,884
All of you.
I'll be fine.
817
00:36:49,886 --> 00:36:52,520
We'll see you
tomorrow.
818
00:36:52,522 --> 00:36:54,505
You bet.
819
00:36:57,342 --> 00:36:59,611
Ohh, is he gonna be ok?
820
00:36:59,613 --> 00:37:01,512
Of course he is.
821
00:37:01,514 --> 00:37:03,698
It's Rossi.
822
00:37:47,076 --> 00:37:49,110
Agent Rossi.
823
00:37:49,112 --> 00:37:52,113
I can't believe
it's been a year already.
824
00:37:52,115 --> 00:37:54,999
Time flies.
825
00:37:56,669 --> 00:37:59,621
Man, you must have
some serious juice.
826
00:37:59,623 --> 00:38:02,957
Thought for sure
we were gonna have to cancel.
827
00:38:02,959 --> 00:38:05,793
Riot in the yard,
tight-ass warden.
828
00:38:05,795 --> 00:38:09,781
Whole place
is locked down.
829
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,385
Any plans for the big day?
830
00:38:16,972 --> 00:38:22,093
Come on. You should get out
and do something.
831
00:38:22,095 --> 00:38:24,696
Never know how many
of these you got left.
832
00:38:24,698 --> 00:38:26,197
What's her name?
833
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:30,101
I used to hate birthdays
when I was a kid.
834
00:38:30,103 --> 00:38:32,587
That's why I like
celebrating yours.
835
00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:35,456
Her name.
836
00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,718
Took her in Eureka.
837
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,388
Drove her out to the
Headwaters Forest Preserve
838
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:52,740
up on Elk River Road.
839
00:38:53,792 --> 00:38:56,594
100 yards South of
the trailhead,
840
00:38:56,596 --> 00:38:59,931
put her under
a big old Sequoia.
841
00:39:13,495 --> 00:39:14,862
[Knocking]
842
00:39:14,864 --> 00:39:17,665
Open gate 241.
843
00:39:19,535 --> 00:39:25,156
[Yates humming "Happy Birthday"]
844
00:39:25,158 --> 00:39:29,711
♪ Happy Birthday to you ♪
845
00:39:29,713 --> 00:39:30,995
[Door closes and locks]
846
00:39:30,997 --> 00:39:36,500
♪ Happy Birthday to you ♪
847
00:39:36,502 --> 00:39:43,507
♪ Happy Birthday, Agent Rossi ♪
848
00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:49,313
♪ Happy Birthday to you ♪
849
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:54,202
And many more.
850
00:40:13,390 --> 00:40:17,390
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