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Hi, team. Hello. Hello.
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Are we ready to talk witches?
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We are ready. How you feeling?
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I'm good. I'm feeling it, yes,
I'm feeling witchy.
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I'm Suranne Jones.
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And, for as long as I can remember,
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I've been intrigued by
the idea of witches.
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I love that, yeah.
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BLEEP the cleaning, I'm going
to ride the broomstick. Exactly.
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No, Jackson, don't follow me.
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Shall I send you one,
and you respond? Yeah.
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SHE HOWLS
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SURANNE HOWLS
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But for much of history,
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witches and witchcraft have been
viewed with fear and suspicion.
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You had 200 years where women were
terrified of being called a witch.
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I'm going on an epic journey
to uncover what led to some of
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the biggest trials in history.
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There is a worry
that witches are rampant,
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and they are out to hurt
the King and society.
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I've already seen how witchcraft
accusations played out in Pendle...
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This is the dungeon where
the witches were imprisoned.
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Oh, my gosh.
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..and why witch-hunts took
hold in Germany.
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If disaster strikes,
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we become ready to see evil
in other people.
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Now, I'm heading to the site of the
most infamous witch trials of all -
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the American town of Salem...
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The little girls gave
this testimony,
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that they have been going
to the woods
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and dancing naked in a circle.
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..to discover why accusations of
witchcraft caught fire here with
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such devastating consequences...
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And fingers point wildly.
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Suddenly, you just have
this snowballing
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number of accusations.
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We do need to make clear
that these people were
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wrongly accused of witchcraft.
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"If it was the last moment
I was to live,
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"God knows I am innocent."
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..and how their legacy can
still be felt today.
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CHANTING: We won't go back!
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What do people think
that they are going to achieve
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by sending those threats?
I think they want to shut you up.
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They want you to be so scared
that you'll stop talking.
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Argh! Yes!
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Ahhh!
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Salem is known as
the City of Witches.
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In this quiet town
of New England, in 1692,
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14 women and five men were
brutally hanged as witches,
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after a number of young girls
began convulsing
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as if possessed by demons,
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causing wild accusations of
witchcraft to snowball.
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It's an extraordinary story
that has echoed down the centuries.
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But I want to discover what
really happened here.
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Why did witch-hunting hysteria
sweep through Salem
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with such destructive force?
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Who was accused of witchcraft,
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and who were their supposed victims?
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And what are the parallels
with the witch-hunts
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I've already explored in
England and Europe?
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Salem Village was a small
agricultural community
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of around 600 white settlers.
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They were part of a wave of
English Puritans who had travelled
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to the New World in the 1620s.
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To understand what they
were seeking here,
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I'm meeting Emerson Baker,
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Professor of History
at Salem State University.
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This is the great
Puritan experiment,
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because they're convinced that
they're going to come over here
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and they're going
to start from scratch,
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and they're going to build this
utopian, Christian community
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where everybody walks in peace
and harmony with each other,
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with their friends and neighbours,
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and it's going to be perfect.
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When they get here,
what are the rules?
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Like, how... Yeah.
..pure is a Puritan?
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How pure are the Puritans? Yes.
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Puritan's are pretty pure.
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When they come here for
religious freedom,
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it's only for the Puritan faith.
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They didn't allow things like
dancing or singing.
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It was all the glory of God,
so it was a fairly rigid,
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strict kind of community.
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This is a highly
patriarchal society,
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women are seen as basically,
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for want of a better phrase,
a necessary evil.
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They have to be there because
they have to reproduce.
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But they are subservient,
they don't have legal rights.
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I mean, women were treated
at this time
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at the same level as children.
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The settlers had come
seeking a Puritan utopia -
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but they were faced with
an unexpectedly harsh environment.
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So, they've basically had quite of
antagonistic confrontations with
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the Native Americans on the land.
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But this is land that they don't
know necessarily how to use.
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So, there's dark forest,
there's swampland,
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a lot of the land is
actually unusable.
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So, this is unforgiving,
inhospitable foreign land that
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they have to find a way
to make their home.
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As God's chosen people,
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the community here believed
they were also in spiritual danger.
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Puritans do see themselves
as more susceptible
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to witches or magical attacks,
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because Puritans also see themselves
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as the correct form of Christian.
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You have these people who are
terrified that something
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could be happening to them.
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And that's kind of a perfect storm
for getting a whole lot of people
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accused of something for really
no reason at all.
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This all made Salem a fertile
ground for witch-hunts.
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An account by
the Reverend John Hale,
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a minister from a nearby parish,
detailed the strange incident
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that first sparked accusations
of witchcraft.
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It all started on an icy afternoon
in the middle of one of
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the coldest winters that
New England had ever seen,
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in the parsonage
of minister Samuel Parris -
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the parsonage that stood right
here on this spot.
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On that cold day in 1692,
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Parris' nine-year-old daughter,
Betty,
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and 11-year-old niece, Abigail,
began behaving in
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an alarming manner.
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Both girls described being pinched
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and bitten by an invisible agent.
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Then they began to bark like dogs.
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Sometimes, they would fall
completely mute, and other times,
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they would convulse as if
they were having a seizure.
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Adults are initially sceptical,
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but they maybe tell
the children to pray harder,
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to be more Godly, to be better.
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However, as time goes on,
they start to be concerned.
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They call in a doctor,
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and they start to be really worried
that witchcraft is a factor here.
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The doctor who visited the
Parris household diagnosed that
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"the Evil Hand" was upon the girls,
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meaning that witches were
at work here.
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Come on in. Oh, wow.
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The following evening,
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while the Reverend
and Mrs Parris were out,
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a well-meaning neighbour called
Mary Sibley decided to try
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and discover who the witch was
by baking a witch cake.
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What you do with the witch cake
is you take a rye cake
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and you add to it -
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in this case, as odd as it sounds -
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the urine of the afflicted girls,
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and you bake it up.
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And then, you feed it to the dog.
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If I were to curse you,
there would be an energy,
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an evil energy that would flow
from me into you.
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So, in other words, a part of
the witch would be living in them,
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and they would urinate it out.
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And in that case,
if they could take that urine
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and cause harm to it -
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that is, bake it into a cake
and have a dog eat it.
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So, you'd have a witch screaming
in pain as the dog ate
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the witch cake, you see.
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I shouldn't try and make
sense of this? No. No?
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I think we're not going to have
a bake off for witch cakes.
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No, no, no, no, no!
HE CHUCKLES
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So ironically, when the Puritans
want to find out who is a witch,
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they do some magic themselves.
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The Puritan settlers officially
did not use magic
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or believe in magic.
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But, of course, because they'd come
from the old world where magic was
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a very widely-used sort of skill,
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some of them did continue
to believe in magical remedies.
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When Reverend Parris found out,
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he was very upset, because clearly,
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this is an act of magic.
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Again, white magic, but still magic.
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You're still invoking Satan.
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In fact, he said a very famous line,
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"The Devil hath been raised,
and you have done it."
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Whether it was the magic of
the witch cake
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or the Reverend Parris' ranting,
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the two girls become lucid for
the first time in a month.
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They accused three local women
of bewitching them.
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The three accused women are
immediately arrested
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on suspicion of witchcraft.
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A crime that's punishable by death.
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The Salem Witch Trials had begun.
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I'm in America to explore
how witch-hunts unfolded here.
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In the 16th and 17th centuries,
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Britain and Europe saw thousands
executed for witchcraft.
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Most of them were women.
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Stacy, hi. Hi.
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So good to meet you.
And you, too.
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I'm meeting historian and
author Stacy Schiff
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to discover who was accused
in Salem.
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The girls are convinced that
they are suffering
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indeed from witchcraft.
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They name names.
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And at that point, essentially,
you have a witch-hunt.
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So, where do we go from there?
Who did they name?
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They name three people.
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They name people who are
the obvious suspects, in a way.
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They name a woman named Sarah Good,
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who was a kind of
itinerant beggar woman,
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something of a nuisance
to the community.
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The second woman they name is
a woman named Sarah Osborne,
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who had been bedridden for most of
these months - and in fact,
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is dragged out of her sick room
to face witchcraft charges.
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The third person
the girls name is Tituba,
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who was an Indian -
probably an American Indian,
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possibly a Caribbean Indian
enslaved person who lives
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in the Parris household,
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and sleeps with and praise with,
and eats alongside the girls.
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Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne were
the obvious two suspects, in a way -
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it's Tituba who's the wild card.
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No Black American, no Indian has
ever been accused of witchcraft -
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although she doesn't look like
everyone else in the community,
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it's a little more inexplicable
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because she is on such
intimate terms with the family.
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The way in which Tituba
was presented in some accounts
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and imagery hints at the suspicion
with which she was viewed.
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Tituba might have been accused
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because she is a Native American,
pure and simple.
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Maybe she was seen as Pagan,
a Devil worshipper,
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somebody in the household that is
racially different from those
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who were accusing her.
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So, she very well may have
a religion that looks
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to them like witchcraft.
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So, she might still have indigenous
practises that they would consider
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to be malign or magical.
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She might have told the girls
about this at some point in time.
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When they are accused,
what happens to them?
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So, the three women are brought
before two Justices of the Peace,
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and there are men of great
fortune in there,
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and some were commanding presences.
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So, before them, a Salem villager,
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particularly a female
Salem villager -
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and particularly, a marginal
female Salem villager -
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would have felt very
much outpowered.
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And in the Massachusetts
criminal code,
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witchcraft is the second-greatest
offence after idolatry -
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it's followed by blasphemy,
and murder comes only later.
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The little girls gave this testimony
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that they have been going to
the woods with them,
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and dancing naked in a circle.
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And this does a lot of things.
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It kind of hits every single
one of the bad things
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you could possibly do.
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First place, dancing -
uh-uh, not for Puritans,
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you know, dancing is in and of
itself seen as inherently evil,
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because it's slightly sexual.
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Again, nakedness, nudity,
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this idea of sexuality
that is really on display.
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And it really hits on every note
from these classic images of
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the Witches' Sabbath that have been
around since the early 1500s.
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This idea that witches go
to some place out in nature,
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that they bring younger,
less-experienced girls in
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and seduce them into doing these
sexualised things that revolve
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around demonic energies.
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Tituba is seen as being incredibly
sexual because she is native.
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And this is a particular way
that native peoples
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are othered by Europeans.
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Salem magistrate John Hawthorne
led the questioning of the suspects.
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Both Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne
denied practising witchcraft.
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But, after first also denying it,
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Tituba then confessed.
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What does she say?
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She tells an extraordinary,
lurid tale of having met with,
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if not the Devil, then some
representative of the Devil.
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She essentially says that
she has flown to Boston -
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so she introduces flying
into the tale.
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She talks about meeting the Devil
and being tempted by him
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to attack Betty and Abigail.
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She talks about witchcraft meetings,
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including in the Minister's
house itself.
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She talks about ways in which
they bewitched the children -
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so she starts to identify
the sort of spells that
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they'd used against them.
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A record of Tituba's supposed
confession was taken down
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by the magistrates' clerk,
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and has survived in
the Salem archives.
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Tituba is said to have confirmed
that Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne
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were in league with the devil.
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But, even more shockingly,
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that there were many
more witches hiding in Salem.
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And she says that there are
actually nine witches at large,
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not just the suspected three.
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So immediately, she opens
this story up to a much larger
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infestation of witches.
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So, Tituba's confessed,
told this amazing story,
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people are starting
to freak out in the town.
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What happens next, who was next?
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There's a contagion - and there's
a contagion both of ideas,
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and a contagion of symptoms.
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So immediately, two other girls
begin to suffer from
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the same afflictions that
Betty and Abigail were manifesting,
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and people begin to point fingers
in various directions.
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During the course of that process,
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other accusers start
to come forward.
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They too are girls from the village,
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and they too start to say they are
being afflicted by witches,
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that they're suffering
unexplained pains.
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They start to say they can see
visions of other people
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who are also witches.
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And so, the whole
witch-hunt sprouts.
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Over the next few months,
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many more people were accused
of witchcraft.
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At first, it was those on
the fringes of the community
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who were named.
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But mounting paranoia meant
that soon no-one was safe,
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and even some of the
most respected were accused.
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So now, let's talk about
how mass hysteria catches fire,
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and what it does to a community.
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So, at a certain point,
what starts to happen is that
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all of the fissures and fractures
that had divided these villagers
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begin to manifest in
various kinds of accusation.
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And fingers point wildly.
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So suddenly, you just have this
snowballing number of accusations.
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The wild finger-pointing raged
completely out of control in Salem
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and the surrounding villages.
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In the seven months from
the first accusations
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until the trials were halted,
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156 people were charged
with witchcraft.
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An extraordinary number for
such a small, isolated community.
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The way in which mass hysteria
overtook Salem
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was brilliantly captured by one
of the most celebrated playwrights
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of the 20th century.
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In 1953, Arthur Miller
wrote his version of
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the Salem story, The Crucible -
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one of his best-known plays.
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GIRLS SCREAM
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It's on the beam,
behind the rafters! Where?!
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Why, why do you come, yellow bird?
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Where is the bird? I see no bird!
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When I saw it, I was like,
"Wow, that can't be a true story."
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It was so fantastical and horrific.
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And then you find out that it is.
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Her claws!
She's stretching her claws!
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I mean, it's like a madness -
when you watch it,
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you feel like it's a madness
spreading through a community.
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And still now, I feel like
you watch it and go,
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"How did this happen?"
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Miller's depiction of this
"madness" was intended to reflect
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a similar hysteria he saw
unfolding in 1950s America -
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with the infamous hunt
for communists,
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led by Senator Joseph McCarthy.
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The raw, harsh, unpleasant fact
is that Communism is an issue.
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There was this kind of panic,
moral panic about how,
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instead of witches,
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every street in America was
infiltrated by Reds and Communists
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who were going to take it
down from within.
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It's the same idea, right?
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And then, suddenly, all these
people are blacklisted,
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sent off to jail, or out of a job,
etc, etc.
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It's the same thing.
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What Miller wanted to encourage
people to do was to think
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for themselves about persecution,
and to try and stop it.
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Let me break the suspense
immediately and tell you
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I am not a Communist.
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This is a foul philosophy,
this Communistic thing.
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I am not, and never have been
a Communist.
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The Crucible also explored
the power dynamic
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that played a key part in
how events unfolded in Salem.
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GIRLS SINGING
I saw Goodie Barton with the Devil!
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I saw Goodie Cobb with the Devil!
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I saw Goodie Franklin
with the Devil!
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There's an accusation
of witchcraft levelled at
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one of the younger women.
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And, in order to defend themselves,
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they start deflecting
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and levelling those accusations
at the older women in the community.
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But what, in fact, you're seeing
is that the two most disempowered
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groups in this town
are attacking each other
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in a form of self-defence.
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GIRLS SCREAMING
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People might think that the Salem
girls were just spiteful women
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having a go at other women.
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And in many ways, we still live
in this society where people
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find that compulsively fascinating.
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Pointing at other women
to accuse them of other things,
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being frightened of other women.
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We are connected to
the witch trials,
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whether we like it or not.
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Those are the things that have been
with us through all of time.
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Salem's dark history means it is
now a centre for the supernatural.
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Millions flock to this small
city north of Boston,
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creating a witch-based tourist
industry that brings in
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$150 million a year.
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BELL CLANGS
Gather round, gather round!
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This is a warrant for
the arrest of Bridgette Bishop
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on charges of witchcraft.
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What?!
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But beyond the tourist trail,
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many who visit are part of
an increasing number
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attracted to modern witchcraft.
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..For presenting yourself,
this is a warrant for your arrest.
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I'm meeting self-proclaimed
witch Pam Grossman.
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So, what drew you to witchcraft?
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I am a Pagan,
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I am someone who does witchcraft.
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But I have declared myself a witch.
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That's very different than
a stranger calling me a witch.
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When I use that word for myself,
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it's both as a spiritual person,
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but I also do it
for political reasons,
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because witches are figures
who are independent,
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who are unapologetically powerful,
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and who make change in the world.
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They transform themselves,
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and they transform the
world at large.
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And that's who I want to be.
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You know, learning and being
with everybody here,
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and on this journey is really
making me feel like I'm not alone,
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and I'm on the right track.
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WHISPERING: That you're a witch.
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THEY LAUGH
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You're my people, for sure. Yeah.
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Pam feels safe describing
herself as a witch,
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but the shocking history of the
witch trials means the phrase
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"witch-hunt" has become shorthand
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for unjust accusations,
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Something powerful men are
now using to their advantage.
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I want total transparency,
this is a witch-hunt.
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The witch-hunts against us
by the Manhattan NDA.
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Demented hoaxes, crazy witch-hunts.
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You believe that?
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This is what we're up...
It's called the witch-hunt.
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This is a man who had, arguably,
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the most power in the world
when he was president.
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For him to misuse that word,
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to say that he was
the victim of a witch-hunt,
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I think is a gross act of disrespect
against all of the victims
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who have lost their lives
for being accused of something
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that they weren't by people
who had a lot of power,
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the way Trump did.
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Throughout history,
there have been people who accused
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other people of being witches.
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And calling someone else
a witch traditionally was a way
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to silence someone,
to shame someone,
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to other somebody,
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and to render them powerless.
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So, here we are in Salem,
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and it's important to remind people
that those that were accused of
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being witches would not have
considered themselves
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witches at all.
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There's a T-shirt that's,
you know, very popular.
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"We are the granddaughters of
the witches that you couldn't burn."
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But this is, I think,
also problematic,
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because it makes it seems like
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these witches were just these
symbols of feminism and empowerment.
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That isn't true.
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So, I think we do need to make
clear that these people were
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wrongly accused of witchcraft.
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They weren't symbols of witches
that you couldn't burn.
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They were accused of things
they didn't do.
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By the end of May 1692,
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about 50 people were being held
on witchcraft charges.
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The Governor of Massachusetts
set up a special court
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to bring the accused to trial.
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Because it's an English colony,
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Massachusetts carries with it
elements of English law,
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and particularly English
beliefs about witches.
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English witch-hunting texts
provided guidelines
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for evidence someone was a witch,
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such as examining them
for physical signs.
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Searching the accused for
the "witch's mark"
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features in reconstructions of
some of the most famous trials.
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Oyay, oyay.
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There be a complaint made before us
this day against Bridgette Bishop.
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So, this is local woman Bridgette
Bishop who's being accused.
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She's been examined prior
to this trial,
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and they're saying that
they found a witch's teat -
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which is like a raised bit
of skin, or a skin tag -
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and they're saying that
the Devil would suck on that teat.
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So, they're setting up
the scene for her
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to be in league with the Devil.
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Not usual in women.
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Much like to a teat.
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And that they were located in all
three women near the same place,
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namely...
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..Alice Pickering midwife.
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So, what he's stopped short
in saying is that her witch mark
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was found near her vagina,
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and often skin tags appear under
the armpits or in warm places.
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So, prior to this trial,
she's been violated,
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she's been searched before she
even gets to this part.
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This kind of sexual humiliation
would be traumatic for any woman -
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but it was especially shaming
in a Puritan society
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which viewed nakedness as immoral.
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While the pressure would lead
some to confess,
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many of the accused continued
to protest their innocence.
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The trials relied heavily on
evidence provided by a core group
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of eight girls and young women
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who were allegedly afflicted
by witchcraft.
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What we see is a lot of
these people are teenagers,
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teenage girls, basically.
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Suddenly, in a society which gives
very little credence to women,
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but particularly also girls' voices,
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they are being listened to
by the men of society.
494
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,480
And this gives them a
fantasy of power.
495
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,800
And, you know, it's hard to know
if they really believed that
496
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,640
they were afflicted of witchcraft.
497
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,760
I mean, I think, as normal
people listen to them,
498
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,400
it must have strengthened
their belief that actually,
499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,120
something was happening to them.
500
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,640
Most damning of all,
501
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,360
some witnesses claimed
the accused had appeared
502
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,760
in the form of a spectre,
or a vision,
503
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,760
sometimes even in the courtroom.
504
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,960
These visions,
invisible to everyone else,
505
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,800
were accepted as proof
of witchcraft.
506
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040
For a legal opinion on
the use of this testimony,
507
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,680
I'm meeting Claire Mitchell KC.
508
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,120
What is going on in Salem?
Are they making up evidence?
509
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,920
This is what is called
spectral evidence,
510
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,000
and this is perhaps the
most crazy the evidence got.
511
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,680
Now, spectral evidence
is the evidence of a witness
512
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,200
who testifies in court that
the person they're accusing,
513
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,600
the witch, comes to them
in their dreams,
514
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,640
and they dream that the witch is
doing them harm, and then,
515
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,920
they're weak, and they believe
they've been visited by the witch,
516
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,800
and they have done harm.
517
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,400
So, spectral evidence...
518
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Sorry, I'm trying not to laugh.
519
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760
I'm looking and going, "Mm..."
"Yeah, mm, spectral evidence."
520
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,280
So, think about it as this -
521
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,560
you could bring witnesses
to court for the defence,
522
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160
and say, "I am not a witch,
523
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720
"I did not visit that person
in their dream,
524
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,800
"and the proof of it was
I have five people to say that
525
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,440
"I was sleeping in my bed."
526
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,920
"Oh, well of course that shows
you're all the more
527
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,200
"devious a witch..."
528
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Cos you can split yourself!
Exactly!
529
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,040
"You have the power to be in
two places at once.
530
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,920
"You can be at home with
your friends,
531
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280
pretending you're having
a normal time
532
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,240
"whilst infiltrating your dreams."
533
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,440
Ghost evidence?
534
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Ghost evidence.
535
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,640
OK, so how...
536
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,240
Hard to wrap your head round
that one. Absolutely.
537
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960
Because what makes people believe?
538
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,160
Everything is reinforcing your
belief in witchcraft,
539
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,120
and then, in your life,
you're thinking about witches,
540
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840
your talking about witches.
You're dreaming about witches...
541
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280
You're dreaming about witches.
..which I understand.
542
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080
You could not win.
543
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,080
That's the bottom line.
Exactly, exactly.
544
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,880
You could not win
in those circumstances.
545
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880
It's madness.
546
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,160
You may think that,
but it has legal precedent.
547
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,520
So, we know from Salem that what
they did was they looked back
548
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,880
to England, to the colony
that they came from, and say,
549
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,000
"Has this sort of evidence
been used before?"
550
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,480
And was it? Yes.
551
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,160
In England? Yes.
552
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,120
They looked back and referenced
a case in Berry, where Matthew Hale,
553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,960
who became one of England's
most senior judges -
554
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,920
he said spectral evidence
is admissible.
555
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,760
So, when they find out that spectral
evidence is admissible in England,
556
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,160
it's an absolute no-brainer that it
should be admissible in Salem.
557
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320
If you talk about a spectral vision,
558
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,520
you can put almost anything
into it that you want to.
559
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,880
It may be that these are
real visions, you know,
560
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,640
that people are genuinely afraid
and genuinely hallucinating.
561
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960
But it may be malicious
accusation instead.
562
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880
One of the reasons why
Salem became so out of control
563
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800
is because the court allowed
spectral evidence.
564
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,320
People think, "Oh, that would
never happen again here.
565
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520
"We're too sophisticated for that,
we're too intelligent from that."
566
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520
The people who lived then where as
intelligent as we are now.
567
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,080
We've got iPhones, we've got
all those sorts of things -
568
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,960
but that doesn't mean
we're any more intelligent.
569
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,200
Their belief system at the time
was the Devil was real,
570
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960
witches were real
and they walked amongst us.
571
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
If our belief system were to change,
572
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800
could we be in a situation where
people are targeted again?
573
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Yes, why not? Yeah.
574
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,360
In fact, recent events have shown
that there are some groups
575
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,720
who are already prepared
to believe extraordinary claims
576
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,800
based on imaginary evidence.
577
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,720
In 2017,
578
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,520
an online conspiracy theory
known as QAnon began to spread.
579
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,120
QAnon is a conspiracy theory
that America is
580
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,800
ruled by a cabal of
Satan-worshipping paedophiles,
581
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,160
and that Hillary Clinton is
kind of the figurehead.
582
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,800
A shadowy, anonymous
figure known as "Q"
583
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,840
appeared in online chatrooms.
584
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,320
He claimed to be a government
official with inside information
585
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,200
that leading Democrats were part
of a deep-state conspiracy
586
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,440
murdering children
and drinking their blood.
587
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,240
That is literally almost
the same as spectral evidence.
588
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160
It is, this guy is a spectre, Q,
589
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,280
this person posting nonsense
on 4Chan and 8Chan,
590
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440
is obviously an impostor,
591
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,920
it's obviously made up.
592
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,760
It's nonsense - and yet,
millions and millions of people
593
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,160
have fallen for it.
594
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Spectral evidence.
595
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Hillary Clinton is a powerful woman.
596
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,320
And that kind of is
the definition of a witch.
597
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840
So, it's interesting that
Hillary Clinton became that focus
598
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,480
of this QAnon conspiracy theory,
599
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,720
and it's so obvious that
that should happen.
600
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,720
I think that it's really easy,
601
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,440
particularly in politics
where women have a voice,
602
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,680
where women have stepped
into the fray
603
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000
and are giving their opinions,
604
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720
and they are alongside the men.
605
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880
It's very easy to call
those women a witch.
606
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,720
The witch has not gone away.
607
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,480
Maybe the witch trials,
608
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640
like the Salem Witch Trials,
have gone away
609
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,800
but they also haven't.
610
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,960
That's why you see the fact that,
you know, Clinton was accused
611
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,120
of being a witch.
612
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,800
I mean, this is really so strong
and so deeply ingrained,
613
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,880
it makes me wonder
if the idea of the witch
614
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,600
will ever go away in society.
615
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560
This conspiracy theory
had real-world consequences
616
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,160
when it morphed into a belief that
the 2020 election had been stolen,
617
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280
contributing to the storming
of the US Capitol.
618
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,920
In 1692 Salem,
619
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240
society's willingness to believe
in imaginary spectres
620
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,520
was equally devastating,
621
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,920
as the courts found those on trial
guilty of witchcraft.
622
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Between June and September,
623
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040
19 people were executed -
624
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,480
14 of them women.
625
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,160
"If it was the last moment
I was to live,
626
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200
"God knows, I am innocent."
627
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Seeing these names...
628
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360
..really makes it real.
629
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,840
As many memorials do,
that's the point of them.
630
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Erm...
631
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,880
..and I'm really glad it's here,
632
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,760
amongst everything else we've seen.
633
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Innumerable lives have been ruined.
634
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280
People have been sent to jail,
some of them died there,
635
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520
they've had their property
taken from them,
636
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,000
they've suffered greatly,
they've been made sick,
637
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,600
they've been terrified.
638
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000
They know that their neighbours
were out to have them killed.
639
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,840
And that's a terrible legacy for the
whole community of Massachusetts.
640
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Astonishingly, the legacy of
the Salem Witch Trials
641
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,600
continues to impact the rights
of women even today.
642
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,000
I've travelled across continents
to explore what led to some of
643
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160
the most infamous
witch trials in history,
644
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,400
and discovered their devastating
impact on women.
645
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,600
Centuries ago,
witch trials were born in
646
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,800
a climate of uncertainty and fear
caused by economic hardship,
647
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,960
political upheaval,
and extreme weather.
648
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,360
But these elements are very much
part of our lives today.
649
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,560
So, are women in danger
of being persecuted again?
650
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Hey! How are you?
Hello, how are you?
651
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,240
I'm meeting feminist writer
and campaigner Laura Bates.
652
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,760
So, I think, for younger women,
it's not that witch trials
653
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,840
have gone away, it's just that
they've moved online.
654
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,720
And I think it has so many parallels
655
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,800
with what women went through then.
656
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,680
So, for example, there's
a horrible form of torture
657
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,240
called "pricking the witch" -
658
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,840
and they basically kept women
awake by pricking,
659
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,960
injuring their body with
this small instrument
660
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560
through the night for days,
661
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,120
until they became so delirious
that they started hallucinating.
662
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,320
And then, what they said was
written down and used
663
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,720
against them as a confession.
664
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080
You know, you think,
"Oh, my gosh, that's crazy,
665
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,560
"that's totally a thing
of the past."
666
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,920
But then, you look at
the young women I work with today,
667
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,960
and they are sometimes literally
being tortured through the night
668
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,320
by the fact that the 24/7 kind of
bombardment of social media.
669
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Someone can share an image of
them non-consensually,
670
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,280
or even create using,
you know, DeepFakes.
671
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,520
And then, maybe it's being uploaded
to different social media platforms,
672
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,680
and then, these comments are
pinging through the night
673
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,760
and she's being called
a slut or a slag.
674
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,800
It feels like that same bombardment.
675
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,000
In the 15th century,
676
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,360
the invention of the printing press
helped spread the idea of
677
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,320
the witch as an evil woman,
678
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,760
using her sexual power over men.
679
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,280
Could the Internet be having
the same effect today?
680
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,560
So, let's look at this on
a larger scale now,
681
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,840
and touch on something
that's horrifying to all of us,
682
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,840
which is the extreme misogyny.
683
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,560
With someone like Andrew Tate,
who's been in the public eye
684
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,240
the past couple of years. Yeah.
685
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120
He's talked about women being
responsible for their own rapes.
686
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920
He's talked about women
being the property of men.
687
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920
So, I think Andrew Tate very much
isn't new, he hasn't created
688
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,760
the problem of extreme misogyny,
689
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,320
he's just one example of it.
690
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,640
But he is being facilitated
in reaching particularly
691
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,840
vulnerable young people with those
ideas on social media platforms.
692
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,680
And that's a real cause for concern.
693
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,080
So, you know, a good example of this
is that, just on TikTok alone,
694
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,600
his videos have been viewed
11.6 billion times.
695
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,920
And that is just more than
the number of people on the planet.
696
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,080
And that's one man.
And that's one man.
697
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040
And that's just on one platform.
Yeah.
698
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,480
I think what's really
significant at the moment
699
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680
that people don't necessarily grasp
700
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,560
is the sheer scale of
algorithmically-facilitated
701
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,040
mass radicalisation into extremist
misogyny that's happening online
702
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,520
right under our noses.
703
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,960
And we've never seen anything
like that in history.
704
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,240
So, does it feel like
it's getting worse?
705
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Does that...
does it scare you?
706
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,240
I think it is really frightening.
707
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960
I think a lot of people would be
really shocked if you kind of
708
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,840
laid bare the reality of
the situation we are in.
709
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680
We know that, at the moment,
just 1.4% of rapes
710
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,040
that are reported to the police
result in a charge or summons
711
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,400
for a perpetrator.
712
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,280
Anywhere essentially where it is
a woman's word against a man's,
713
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,960
a woman comes to harm.
714
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,720
Do you know, that makes me so -
that's really, it's not...
715
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,480
I mean, it's hit before, but just
putting those two things together,
716
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,200
"It's your word against mine..."
Hmm.
717
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,000
I feel really upset.
718
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Because, when you hear it in
the context of the witch trials,
719
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,280
you feel like you're in
the 17th century. Yeah.
720
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160
But, when you have just put it
together with rape trials today,
721
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,480
that's really made me feel
very, very uneasy.
722
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,800
The fact that we still haven't
escaped the shadow of
723
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,920
the witch trials is demonstrated
by one of the most controversial
724
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160
legal rulings of recent times.
725
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,600
CHANTING: We won't go back!
We won't go back...
726
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,120
In 1973, the landmark case
Roe vs Wade meant that
727
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,760
a woman's right to terminate
her pregnancy became protected
728
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,760
by the US constitution.
729
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,760
Our bodies!
ALL: Our choice!
730
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
In June 2022,
731
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,360
the Supreme Court
overturned that ruling.
732
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,520
And as a result,
abortion is now restricted
733
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,720
or effectively banned in
many US states.
734
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,280
Our bodies!
ALL: Our choice!
735
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000
The decision by the court
is atrocious.
736
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,560
It talks away my own bodily
autonomy and the right of us
737
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,880
to make a decision about
when and where, like,
738
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,280
when we can have a family.
739
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,240
Let's be very clear.
740
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,640
The health a life of the women of
this nation are now at risk.
741
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,080
This is a sad day for
the country, in my view.
742
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,520
Historic legal precedents
were quoted to support
743
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,920
the court's decision -
744
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,200
including those by Matthew Hale,
745
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:06,120
the judge whose ruling made spectral
evidence admissible 300 years ago
746
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,520
in the Salem Witch Trials.
747
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,720
He's the guy who allowed
invisible evidence
748
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,600
to be admissible in court.
749
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,720
The fact that he has any say,
750
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,320
or like, we're referring to women's
autonomy over their own body
751
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,720
in the 21st century is madness.
752
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600
These issues are baked into
our justice system,
753
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,520
and the fact that 400 years later,
754
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,600
this deeply misogynistic man
who was, you know,
755
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,000
you could argue was responsible for
the deaths of so many women,
756
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,440
has now been part of stripping
so many more millions of women
757
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,120
of their rights to autonomy
over their own bodies,
758
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400
it's just horrifying, especially
over and above the objections
759
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,280
of hundreds and thousands
of women protesting,
760
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,200
using their voices today.
I know! Who are alive today!
761
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:59,160
We've worked so hard
at telling women to speak up,
762
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,040
but it does feel like we're in
danger of being silenced still.
763
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,680
In the course of my work,
on a bad day,
764
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,120
I can get 200 rape and death
threats in a single day from men
765
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,600
who won't just say, you know,
"Shut up, you're a witch,"
766
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,880
which they do say,
but they'll say, you know,
767
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,800
it'll be a long, thousand-word email
about the seven different knives
768
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,400
they're planning
to disembowel me with,
769
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,200
and the order they're going
to use them in.
770
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,800
How they'll find my family and
what they'll do to me.
771
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,080
And that has an impact.
772
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,600
It makes you think twice.
773
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,440
You go on the news to talk about
something, and you come home,
774
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,160
and the first message you get says,
775
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,040
"I'd like to use your hair
as handlebars
776
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,480
"and rape you until you die."
777
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,200
It makes you think twice about
going on the news again.
778
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,800
I mean, I went cold when
I heard some of those things,
779
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,320
I've heard a lot of stuff
whilst making this film -
780
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,560
but to hear from someone
who receives those threats,
781
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,760
what do people think that
they are going to achieve
782
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,760
by sending those threats?
I think they want to shut you up.
783
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120
They want you to be so scared
that you'll stop talking,
784
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,440
stop doing stuff.
785
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,280
That's horrible, that's just awful.
786
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,800
We're conditioned
to think of humanity as
787
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,560
progressing along a continuum,
788
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,080
and constantly getting
better and more enlightened,
789
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,720
and clever and cleverer,
and more prosperous.
790
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,800
But at the moment,
it doesn't feel like that.
791
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,920
It feels like we're
somehow retreating,
792
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:25,720
that this eclipse of reason
is pulling us back into the world
793
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,040
out of which the Salem Witch Trials
and all of that emerged.
794
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,840
So, how do we escape
this terrifying legacy?
795
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Perhaps the answer lies
with the witch.
796
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,440
The image of the witch is,
in some ways, starting to change,
797
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,680
especially with people who are
very willing to say that
798
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,200
they themselves are witches.
799
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,560
I think that's really freeing
for a lot of people.
800
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,000
This idea that, you know,
you could be a witch and
801
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,840
you can regain some kind of power,
802
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,720
I think witchcraft offers that.
803
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,240
Along this journey,
I've met some amazing women
804
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,160
who have embraced the identity
of being a witch.
805
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,440
Hello? Hi!
806
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Semra is known as
"the Witch of Hackney Wick",
807
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,280
specialising in witchcraft
rituals and healing.
808
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Do you get any negative attitudes
by proudly saying you're a witch?
809
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360
If ever I get an eyeroll
or somebody, you know,
810
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,680
is sort of a bit funny about it,
811
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,160
my go-to comment is,
"Give me a strand of your hair.
812
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,920
"Give me a strand of your hair
and let's see what happens."
813
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,560
THEY LAUGH
And they don't.
814
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,840
They will never give me a
strand of their hair -
815
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,480
not that I'd do anything to them,
816
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,400
but it's just always a great way
to prove, because really,
817
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,640
you don't believe in it?
818
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Semra has created a spell
to break the cycle of persecution
819
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
for women past and present.
820
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:55,000
So, we're going to use walnuts.
821
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
So, walnuts in magic are very much
822
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,880
about discernment and judgment,
823
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,960
and they look a little bit
like a brain. Right.
824
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,480
So, we're going to smash them up,
825
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,720
because we're going to be
breaking down old beliefs.
826
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,040
Yes! OK? Yes.
827
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,760
And we're allowed to get
a little bit angry and release
828
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,240
when we're smashing, as well.
829
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,360
I love that you say we're
"allowed" to be angry. Yes!
830
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Cos that's the one thing
we're not allowed to be,
831
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,400
isn't it? Yes, exactly!
832
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Or difficult. Or difficult!
833
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,240
"Difficult" is a huge one
for women, isn't it? Yeah.
834
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,840
And I just feel like I've got
a lot of anger around that.
835
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,440
As we're holding our hammers,
836
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960
think about all thew women that were
persecuted and lost their lives.
837
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,840
Yeah. Think about all the women
that don't have the same freedom
838
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,320
that we have in the world.
839
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,120
Think about women who were
persecuted for speaking up,
840
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,360
women who were persecuted for
living their lives differently.
841
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,520
So... Change this narrative.
..let's change this narrative.
842
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,840
These people were not witches,
you know?
843
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,960
No-one is consorting with
the Devil, no pacts were made.
844
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,240
Seems like I shouldn't have
to say that, but I do.
845
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,160
I will no longer feel guilt.
846
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,600
I am powerful.
I am not afraid to use my voice.
847
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,480
People seem to think that witch
trials are a relic of the past.
848
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,160
But what they don't realise
is that witch trials can happen,
849
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,080
and are happening,
over and over again.
850
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Yes. I own my power,
I step into my power. Yes.
851
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,040
I will...
No longer be silenced.
852
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,840
I will no longer be silenced.
853
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,160
The more work I've done on this,
854
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
the more angry I've become about it.
855
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,440
I think we can see,
in today's society,
856
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,960
the legacy of the witch trials,
857
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,600
and that makes me really angry.
858
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Argh! Yes!
859
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Ahhh!
860
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,760
BOTH: Whoo!
861
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,880
The history of witch trials
is women being blamed
862
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,600
for things that they could
not possibly have done,
863
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,880
and they were targeted because
they were vulnerable in society,
864
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920
because they didn't have any power,
865
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,280
and they were easy to blame
for society's ills.
866
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040
We can look at modern-day events,
867
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,760
and we can say, "Look, we are
still targeting the vulnerable
868
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,320
"for things they can't have done -
869
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,720
"have we really moved on
from those days?
870
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,840
"Or are we just targeting
different people with more
871
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,560
"sophisticated ways of evidence?"
872
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,800
And social media,
what evidence do you need?
873
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,800
Let the ash just fall,
one, two, three...
874
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,480
..that's it.
875
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,160
That one really set on fire.
876
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,200
We need to make change,
and the way that we need to do that
877
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,000
is by helping young people
have a voice,
878
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,600
not let them do it on their own,
by encouraging them to say
879
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,520
"Well, how can we change things?"
880
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,280
You keep this somewhere safe.
Mm-hm.
881
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,920
And they're just this brilliant
reminder to bring you
882
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,240
back to this moment.
883
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,480
Aww, thank you. Thank you so much.
884
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,760
Hopefully, people will think
of something else
885
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,840
when they hear the word "witch,"
886
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,440
and they will feel like that
maybe is a conversation towards
887
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,520
feminism and female power,
888
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,920
and they will understand
that the witch trials
889
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,480
was a repression of that.
890
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,920
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