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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Hi, team. Hello. Hello. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,360 Are we ready to talk witches? 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,600 We are ready. How you feeling? 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,680 I'm good. I'm feeling it, yes, I'm feeling witchy. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,520 I'm Suranne Jones. 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,400 And, for as long as I can remember, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,200 I've been intrigued by the idea of witches. 8 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:21,800 I love that, yeah. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,600 BLEEP the cleaning, I'm going to ride the broomstick. Exactly. 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,160 No, Jackson, don't follow me. 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,680 Shall I send you one, and you respond? Yeah. 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,000 SHE HOWLS 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,760 SURANNE HOWLS 14 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,280 But for much of history, 15 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,840 witches and witchcraft have been viewed with fear and suspicion. 16 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,440 You had 200 years where women were terrified of being called a witch. 17 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,400 I'm going on an epic journey to uncover what led to some of 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,920 the biggest trials in history. 19 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,640 There is a worry that witches are rampant, 20 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,960 and they are out to hurt the King and society. 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,520 I've already seen how witchcraft accusations played out in Pendle... 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,320 This is the dungeon where the witches were imprisoned. 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Oh, my gosh. 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,280 ..and why witch-hunts took hold in Germany. 25 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,800 If disaster strikes, 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,520 we become ready to see evil in other people. 27 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,280 Now, I'm heading to the site of the most infamous witch trials of all - 28 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,760 the American town of Salem... 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,080 The little girls gave this testimony, 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,280 that they have been going to the woods 31 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,080 and dancing naked in a circle. 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,320 ..to discover why accusations of witchcraft caught fire here with 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,960 such devastating consequences... 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 And fingers point wildly. 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Suddenly, you just have this snowballing 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,560 number of accusations. 37 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,720 We do need to make clear that these people were 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,040 wrongly accused of witchcraft. 39 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,680 "If it was the last moment I was to live, 40 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,000 "God knows I am innocent." 41 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,440 ..and how their legacy can still be felt today. 42 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,600 CHANTING: We won't go back! 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,200 What do people think that they are going to achieve 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,520 by sending those threats? I think they want to shut you up. 45 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,920 They want you to be so scared that you'll stop talking. 46 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,360 Argh! Yes! 47 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,560 Ahhh! 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Salem is known as the City of Witches. 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,200 In this quiet town of New England, in 1692, 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,960 14 women and five men were brutally hanged as witches, 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,320 after a number of young girls began convulsing 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,520 as if possessed by demons, 53 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,600 causing wild accusations of witchcraft to snowball. 54 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,680 It's an extraordinary story that has echoed down the centuries. 55 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,880 But I want to discover what really happened here. 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Why did witch-hunting hysteria sweep through Salem 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,960 with such destructive force? 58 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,240 Who was accused of witchcraft, 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,280 and who were their supposed victims? 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,640 And what are the parallels with the witch-hunts 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 I've already explored in England and Europe? 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,920 Salem Village was a small agricultural community 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,400 of around 600 white settlers. 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,800 They were part of a wave of English Puritans who had travelled 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,320 to the New World in the 1620s. 66 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,400 To understand what they were seeking here, 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,320 I'm meeting Emerson Baker, 68 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Professor of History at Salem State University. 69 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,040 This is the great Puritan experiment, 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,000 because they're convinced that they're going to come over here 71 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,960 and they're going to start from scratch, 72 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,760 and they're going to build this utopian, Christian community 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,200 where everybody walks in peace and harmony with each other, 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,040 with their friends and neighbours, 75 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,960 and it's going to be perfect. 76 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,920 When they get here, what are the rules? 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,960 Like, how... Yeah. ..pure is a Puritan? 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,920 How pure are the Puritans? Yes. 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Puritan's are pretty pure. 80 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,440 When they come here for religious freedom, 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,960 it's only for the Puritan faith. 82 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,480 They didn't allow things like dancing or singing. 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,600 It was all the glory of God, so it was a fairly rigid, 84 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,960 strict kind of community. 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,560 This is a highly patriarchal society, 86 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,200 women are seen as basically, 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,520 for want of a better phrase, a necessary evil. 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,360 They have to be there because they have to reproduce. 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,560 But they are subservient, they don't have legal rights. 90 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,680 I mean, women were treated at this time 91 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,360 at the same level as children. 92 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,560 The settlers had come seeking a Puritan utopia - 93 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,640 but they were faced with an unexpectedly harsh environment. 94 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:53,000 So, they've basically had quite of antagonistic confrontations with 95 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,720 the Native Americans on the land. 96 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,800 But this is land that they don't know necessarily how to use. 97 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,000 So, there's dark forest, there's swampland, 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,480 a lot of the land is actually unusable. 99 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,040 So, this is unforgiving, inhospitable foreign land that 100 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,800 they have to find a way to make their home. 101 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,040 As God's chosen people, 102 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,720 the community here believed they were also in spiritual danger. 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,600 Puritans do see themselves as more susceptible 104 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,520 to witches or magical attacks, 105 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,360 because Puritans also see themselves 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,520 as the correct form of Christian. 107 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,240 You have these people who are terrified that something 108 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:36,600 could be happening to them. 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,920 And that's kind of a perfect storm for getting a whole lot of people 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,520 accused of something for really no reason at all. 111 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,880 This all made Salem a fertile ground for witch-hunts. 112 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,120 An account by the Reverend John Hale, 113 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,600 a minister from a nearby parish, detailed the strange incident 114 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,560 that first sparked accusations of witchcraft. 115 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,080 It all started on an icy afternoon in the middle of one of 116 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,680 the coldest winters that New England had ever seen, 117 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,360 in the parsonage of minister Samuel Parris - 118 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,680 the parsonage that stood right here on this spot. 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,080 On that cold day in 1692, 120 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,280 Parris' nine-year-old daughter, Betty, 121 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,400 and 11-year-old niece, Abigail, began behaving in 122 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,480 an alarming manner. 123 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,320 Both girls described being pinched 124 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,680 and bitten by an invisible agent. 125 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,920 Then they began to bark like dogs. 126 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,520 Sometimes, they would fall completely mute, and other times, 127 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,200 they would convulse as if they were having a seizure. 128 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,240 Adults are initially sceptical, 129 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:44,720 but they maybe tell the children to pray harder, 130 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,200 to be more Godly, to be better. 131 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,160 However, as time goes on, they start to be concerned. 132 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,680 They call in a doctor, 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,120 and they start to be really worried that witchcraft is a factor here. 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,480 The doctor who visited the Parris household diagnosed that 135 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,200 "the Evil Hand" was upon the girls, 136 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,920 meaning that witches were at work here. 137 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Come on in. Oh, wow. 138 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,440 The following evening, 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,840 while the Reverend and Mrs Parris were out, 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,320 a well-meaning neighbour called Mary Sibley decided to try 141 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,800 and discover who the witch was by baking a witch cake. 142 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,360 What you do with the witch cake is you take a rye cake 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,120 and you add to it - 144 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,760 in this case, as odd as it sounds - 145 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,160 the urine of the afflicted girls, 146 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,480 and you bake it up. 147 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,520 And then, you feed it to the dog. 148 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,520 If I were to curse you, there would be an energy, 149 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,080 an evil energy that would flow from me into you. 150 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,160 So, in other words, a part of the witch would be living in them, 151 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,360 and they would urinate it out. 152 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,760 And in that case, if they could take that urine 153 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,000 and cause harm to it - 154 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,640 that is, bake it into a cake and have a dog eat it. 155 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,760 So, you'd have a witch screaming in pain as the dog ate 156 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,000 the witch cake, you see. 157 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,120 I shouldn't try and make sense of this? No. No? 158 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,640 I think we're not going to have a bake off for witch cakes. 159 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,120 No, no, no, no, no! HE CHUCKLES 160 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,400 So ironically, when the Puritans want to find out who is a witch, 161 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,080 they do some magic themselves. 162 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,480 The Puritan settlers officially did not use magic 163 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,920 or believe in magic. 164 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,800 But, of course, because they'd come from the old world where magic was 165 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,760 a very widely-used sort of skill, 166 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,880 some of them did continue to believe in magical remedies. 167 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,520 When Reverend Parris found out, 168 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:36,080 he was very upset, because clearly, 169 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,400 this is an act of magic. 170 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Again, white magic, but still magic. 171 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:42,200 You're still invoking Satan. 172 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,920 In fact, he said a very famous line, 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,120 "The Devil hath been raised, and you have done it." 174 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,640 Whether it was the magic of the witch cake 175 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,920 or the Reverend Parris' ranting, 176 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,440 the two girls become lucid for the first time in a month. 177 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,120 They accused three local women of bewitching them. 178 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,360 The three accused women are immediately arrested 179 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,400 on suspicion of witchcraft. 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,440 A crime that's punishable by death. 181 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,360 The Salem Witch Trials had begun. 182 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,640 I'm in America to explore how witch-hunts unfolded here. 183 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,360 In the 16th and 17th centuries, 184 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Britain and Europe saw thousands executed for witchcraft. 185 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,920 Most of them were women. 186 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,080 Stacy, hi. Hi. 187 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,840 So good to meet you. And you, too. 188 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,760 I'm meeting historian and author Stacy Schiff 189 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,920 to discover who was accused in Salem. 190 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,520 The girls are convinced that they are suffering 191 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:56,800 indeed from witchcraft. 192 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,280 They name names. 193 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,840 And at that point, essentially, you have a witch-hunt. 194 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,000 So, where do we go from there? Who did they name? 195 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,840 They name three people. 196 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,800 They name people who are the obvious suspects, in a way. 197 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,960 They name a woman named Sarah Good, 198 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 who was a kind of itinerant beggar woman, 199 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,720 something of a nuisance to the community. 200 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,640 The second woman they name is a woman named Sarah Osborne, 201 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:23,680 who had been bedridden for most of these months - and in fact, 202 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,640 is dragged out of her sick room to face witchcraft charges. 203 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,320 The third person the girls name is Tituba, 204 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,560 who was an Indian - probably an American Indian, 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,560 possibly a Caribbean Indian enslaved person who lives 206 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,200 in the Parris household, 207 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,920 and sleeps with and praise with, and eats alongside the girls. 208 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,400 Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne were the obvious two suspects, in a way - 209 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,240 it's Tituba who's the wild card. 210 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,840 No Black American, no Indian has ever been accused of witchcraft - 211 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,400 although she doesn't look like everyone else in the community, 212 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,960 it's a little more inexplicable 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,920 because she is on such intimate terms with the family. 214 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,920 The way in which Tituba was presented in some accounts 215 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,000 and imagery hints at the suspicion with which she was viewed. 216 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,120 Tituba might have been accused 217 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,800 because she is a Native American, pure and simple. 218 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,200 Maybe she was seen as Pagan, a Devil worshipper, 219 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,480 somebody in the household that is racially different from those 220 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,880 who were accusing her. 221 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,080 So, she very well may have a religion that looks 222 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,640 to them like witchcraft. 223 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:30,560 So, she might still have indigenous practises that they would consider 224 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,800 to be malign or magical. 225 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,720 She might have told the girls about this at some point in time. 226 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,280 When they are accused, what happens to them? 227 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,400 So, the three women are brought before two Justices of the Peace, 228 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,280 and there are men of great fortune in there, 229 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,400 and some were commanding presences. 230 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,640 So, before them, a Salem villager, 231 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:51,360 particularly a female Salem villager - 232 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,920 and particularly, a marginal female Salem villager - 233 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,840 would have felt very much outpowered. 234 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,640 And in the Massachusetts criminal code, 235 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:00,600 witchcraft is the second-greatest offence after idolatry - 236 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,520 it's followed by blasphemy, and murder comes only later. 237 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,880 The little girls gave this testimony 238 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,360 that they have been going to the woods with them, 239 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,080 and dancing naked in a circle. 240 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,320 And this does a lot of things. 241 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,280 It kind of hits every single one of the bad things 242 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,800 you could possibly do. 243 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,600 First place, dancing - uh-uh, not for Puritans, 244 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,680 you know, dancing is in and of itself seen as inherently evil, 245 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,400 because it's slightly sexual. 246 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,760 Again, nakedness, nudity, 247 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,680 this idea of sexuality that is really on display. 248 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,080 And it really hits on every note from these classic images of 249 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,600 the Witches' Sabbath that have been around since the early 1500s. 250 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,440 This idea that witches go to some place out in nature, 251 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,320 that they bring younger, less-experienced girls in 252 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,040 and seduce them into doing these sexualised things that revolve 253 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,280 around demonic energies. 254 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,960 Tituba is seen as being incredibly sexual because she is native. 255 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,480 And this is a particular way that native peoples 256 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,560 are othered by Europeans. 257 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Salem magistrate John Hawthorne led the questioning of the suspects. 258 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,560 Both Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne denied practising witchcraft. 259 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,760 But, after first also denying it, 260 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,080 Tituba then confessed. 261 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,680 What does she say? 262 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,520 She tells an extraordinary, lurid tale of having met with, 263 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,280 if not the Devil, then some representative of the Devil. 264 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,840 She essentially says that she has flown to Boston - 265 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,000 so she introduces flying into the tale. 266 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,000 She talks about meeting the Devil and being tempted by him 267 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,600 to attack Betty and Abigail. 268 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,440 She talks about witchcraft meetings, 269 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,400 including in the Minister's house itself. 270 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,360 She talks about ways in which they bewitched the children - 271 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,800 so she starts to identify the sort of spells that 272 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,760 they'd used against them. 273 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,280 A record of Tituba's supposed confession was taken down 274 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,000 by the magistrates' clerk, 275 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,200 and has survived in the Salem archives. 276 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,240 Tituba is said to have confirmed that Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne 277 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,480 were in league with the devil. 278 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,160 But, even more shockingly, 279 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,320 that there were many more witches hiding in Salem. 280 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,120 And she says that there are actually nine witches at large, 281 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,760 not just the suspected three. 282 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,520 So immediately, she opens this story up to a much larger 283 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 infestation of witches. 284 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,920 So, Tituba's confessed, told this amazing story, 285 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,960 people are starting to freak out in the town. 286 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,040 What happens next, who was next? 287 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,840 There's a contagion - and there's a contagion both of ideas, 288 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,320 and a contagion of symptoms. 289 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,320 So immediately, two other girls begin to suffer from 290 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,520 the same afflictions that Betty and Abigail were manifesting, 291 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,760 and people begin to point fingers in various directions. 292 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,400 During the course of that process, 293 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,360 other accusers start to come forward. 294 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,880 They too are girls from the village, 295 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,160 and they too start to say they are being afflicted by witches, 296 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,720 that they're suffering unexplained pains. 297 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,400 They start to say they can see visions of other people 298 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,960 who are also witches. 299 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,960 And so, the whole witch-hunt sprouts. 300 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,880 Over the next few months, 301 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,640 many more people were accused of witchcraft. 302 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,480 At first, it was those on the fringes of the community 303 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,080 who were named. 304 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,760 But mounting paranoia meant that soon no-one was safe, 305 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,240 and even some of the most respected were accused. 306 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,560 So now, let's talk about how mass hysteria catches fire, 307 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,760 and what it does to a community. 308 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,840 So, at a certain point, what starts to happen is that 309 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,520 all of the fissures and fractures that had divided these villagers 310 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,880 begin to manifest in various kinds of accusation. 311 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,360 And fingers point wildly. 312 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,880 So suddenly, you just have this snowballing number of accusations. 313 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,640 The wild finger-pointing raged completely out of control in Salem 314 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,040 and the surrounding villages. 315 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,600 In the seven months from the first accusations 316 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,520 until the trials were halted, 317 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,040 156 people were charged with witchcraft. 318 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,600 An extraordinary number for such a small, isolated community. 319 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,440 The way in which mass hysteria overtook Salem 320 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,120 was brilliantly captured by one of the most celebrated playwrights 321 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,400 of the 20th century. 322 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,160 In 1953, Arthur Miller wrote his version of 323 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,480 the Salem story, The Crucible - 324 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,840 one of his best-known plays. 325 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,040 GIRLS SCREAM 326 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,560 It's on the beam, behind the rafters! Where?! 327 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,480 Why, why do you come, yellow bird? 328 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,400 Where is the bird? I see no bird! 329 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,640 When I saw it, I was like, "Wow, that can't be a true story." 330 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,080 It was so fantastical and horrific. 331 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:19,840 And then you find out that it is. 332 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,920 Her claws! She's stretching her claws! 333 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,920 I mean, it's like a madness - when you watch it, 334 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,600 you feel like it's a madness spreading through a community. 335 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,320 And still now, I feel like you watch it and go, 336 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,120 "How did this happen?" 337 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,400 Miller's depiction of this "madness" was intended to reflect 338 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,440 a similar hysteria he saw unfolding in 1950s America - 339 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,920 with the infamous hunt for communists, 340 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,400 led by Senator Joseph McCarthy. 341 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:57,480 The raw, harsh, unpleasant fact is that Communism is an issue. 342 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,520 There was this kind of panic, moral panic about how, 343 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,040 instead of witches, 344 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,880 every street in America was infiltrated by Reds and Communists 345 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,320 who were going to take it down from within. 346 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,760 It's the same idea, right? 347 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,560 And then, suddenly, all these people are blacklisted, 348 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,760 sent off to jail, or out of a job, etc, etc. 349 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,880 It's the same thing. 350 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,120 What Miller wanted to encourage people to do was to think 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,320 for themselves about persecution, and to try and stop it. 352 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,080 Let me break the suspense immediately and tell you 353 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:31,520 I am not a Communist. 354 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,560 This is a foul philosophy, this Communistic thing. 355 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,880 I am not, and never have been a Communist. 356 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,440 The Crucible also explored the power dynamic 357 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,240 that played a key part in how events unfolded in Salem. 358 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,280 GIRLS SINGING I saw Goodie Barton with the Devil! 359 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,160 I saw Goodie Cobb with the Devil! 360 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,040 I saw Goodie Franklin with the Devil! 361 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,160 There's an accusation of witchcraft levelled at 362 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,520 one of the younger women. 363 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,800 And, in order to defend themselves, 364 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,800 they start deflecting 365 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,440 and levelling those accusations at the older women in the community. 366 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,760 But what, in fact, you're seeing is that the two most disempowered 367 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,760 groups in this town are attacking each other 368 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,960 in a form of self-defence. 369 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,440 GIRLS SCREAMING 370 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,360 People might think that the Salem girls were just spiteful women 371 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,800 having a go at other women. 372 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,760 And in many ways, we still live in this society where people 373 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,720 find that compulsively fascinating. 374 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,640 Pointing at other women to accuse them of other things, 375 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,840 being frightened of other women. 376 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,360 We are connected to the witch trials, 377 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,800 whether we like it or not. 378 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Those are the things that have been with us through all of time. 379 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,640 Salem's dark history means it is now a centre for the supernatural. 380 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,720 Millions flock to this small city north of Boston, 381 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,080 creating a witch-based tourist industry that brings in 382 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,760 $150 million a year. 383 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,680 BELL CLANGS Gather round, gather round! 384 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,240 This is a warrant for the arrest of Bridgette Bishop 385 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,880 on charges of witchcraft. 386 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,320 What?! 387 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:34,000 But beyond the tourist trail, 388 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,840 many who visit are part of an increasing number 389 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,360 attracted to modern witchcraft. 390 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,520 ..For presenting yourself, this is a warrant for your arrest. 391 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,000 I'm meeting self-proclaimed witch Pam Grossman. 392 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,680 So, what drew you to witchcraft? 393 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,800 I am a Pagan, 394 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,800 I am someone who does witchcraft. 395 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,000 But I have declared myself a witch. 396 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,920 That's very different than a stranger calling me a witch. 397 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,960 When I use that word for myself, 398 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,600 it's both as a spiritual person, 399 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,120 but I also do it for political reasons, 400 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,920 because witches are figures who are independent, 401 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,880 who are unapologetically powerful, 402 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,840 and who make change in the world. 403 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,440 They transform themselves, 404 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,880 and they transform the world at large. 405 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960 And that's who I want to be. 406 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,280 You know, learning and being with everybody here, 407 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,840 and on this journey is really making me feel like I'm not alone, 408 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,120 and I'm on the right track. 409 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,560 WHISPERING: That you're a witch. 410 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,800 THEY LAUGH 411 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,800 You're my people, for sure. Yeah. 412 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,200 Pam feels safe describing herself as a witch, 413 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,720 but the shocking history of the witch trials means the phrase 414 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,480 "witch-hunt" has become shorthand 415 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,760 for unjust accusations, 416 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,680 Something powerful men are now using to their advantage. 417 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,840 I want total transparency, this is a witch-hunt. 418 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,880 The witch-hunts against us by the Manhattan NDA. 419 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,160 Demented hoaxes, crazy witch-hunts. 420 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,400 You believe that? 421 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,880 This is what we're up... It's called the witch-hunt. 422 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,280 This is a man who had, arguably, 423 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,760 the most power in the world when he was president. 424 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,240 For him to misuse that word, 425 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,840 to say that he was the victim of a witch-hunt, 426 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,640 I think is a gross act of disrespect against all of the victims 427 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,080 who have lost their lives for being accused of something 428 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,520 that they weren't by people who had a lot of power, 429 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,280 the way Trump did. 430 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,680 Throughout history, there have been people who accused 431 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,960 other people of being witches. 432 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,800 And calling someone else a witch traditionally was a way 433 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,480 to silence someone, to shame someone, 434 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,560 to other somebody, 435 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,640 and to render them powerless. 436 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,280 So, here we are in Salem, 437 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,680 and it's important to remind people that those that were accused of 438 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,360 being witches would not have considered themselves 439 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,840 witches at all. 440 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,000 There's a T-shirt that's, you know, very popular. 441 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,320 "We are the granddaughters of the witches that you couldn't burn." 442 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:17,640 But this is, I think, also problematic, 443 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,960 because it makes it seems like 444 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,200 these witches were just these symbols of feminism and empowerment. 445 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,400 That isn't true. 446 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,880 So, I think we do need to make clear that these people were 447 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,280 wrongly accused of witchcraft. 448 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,800 They weren't symbols of witches that you couldn't burn. 449 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,000 They were accused of things they didn't do. 450 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,000 By the end of May 1692, 451 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,240 about 50 people were being held on witchcraft charges. 452 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,880 The Governor of Massachusetts set up a special court 453 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,040 to bring the accused to trial. 454 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Because it's an English colony, 455 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,320 Massachusetts carries with it elements of English law, 456 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,680 and particularly English beliefs about witches. 457 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760 English witch-hunting texts provided guidelines 458 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040 for evidence someone was a witch, 459 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840 such as examining them for physical signs. 460 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,840 Searching the accused for the "witch's mark" 461 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,000 features in reconstructions of some of the most famous trials. 462 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,280 Oyay, oyay. 463 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,400 There be a complaint made before us this day against Bridgette Bishop. 464 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,520 So, this is local woman Bridgette Bishop who's being accused. 465 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,040 She's been examined prior to this trial, 466 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,600 and they're saying that they found a witch's teat - 467 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,680 which is like a raised bit of skin, or a skin tag - 468 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,840 and they're saying that the Devil would suck on that teat. 469 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,640 So, they're setting up the scene for her 470 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,640 to be in league with the Devil. 471 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,080 Not usual in women. 472 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,600 Much like to a teat. 473 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,120 And that they were located in all three women near the same place, 474 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,040 namely... 475 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,600 ..Alice Pickering midwife. 476 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,640 So, what he's stopped short in saying is that her witch mark 477 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,200 was found near her vagina, 478 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,840 and often skin tags appear under the armpits or in warm places. 479 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,760 So, prior to this trial, she's been violated, 480 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,760 she's been searched before she even gets to this part. 481 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,640 This kind of sexual humiliation would be traumatic for any woman - 482 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,680 but it was especially shaming in a Puritan society 483 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,120 which viewed nakedness as immoral. 484 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,640 While the pressure would lead some to confess, 485 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,880 many of the accused continued to protest their innocence. 486 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,760 The trials relied heavily on evidence provided by a core group 487 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,760 of eight girls and young women 488 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,440 who were allegedly afflicted by witchcraft. 489 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,280 What we see is a lot of these people are teenagers, 490 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,920 teenage girls, basically. 491 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Suddenly, in a society which gives very little credence to women, 492 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,960 but particularly also girls' voices, 493 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,400 they are being listened to by the men of society. 494 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,480 And this gives them a fantasy of power. 495 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,800 And, you know, it's hard to know if they really believed that 496 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,640 they were afflicted of witchcraft. 497 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,760 I mean, I think, as normal people listen to them, 498 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,400 it must have strengthened their belief that actually, 499 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,120 something was happening to them. 500 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,640 Most damning of all, 501 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,360 some witnesses claimed the accused had appeared 502 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,760 in the form of a spectre, or a vision, 503 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,760 sometimes even in the courtroom. 504 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,960 These visions, invisible to everyone else, 505 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,800 were accepted as proof of witchcraft. 506 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040 For a legal opinion on the use of this testimony, 507 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,680 I'm meeting Claire Mitchell KC. 508 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,120 What is going on in Salem? Are they making up evidence? 509 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,920 This is what is called spectral evidence, 510 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,000 and this is perhaps the most crazy the evidence got. 511 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,680 Now, spectral evidence is the evidence of a witness 512 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,200 who testifies in court that the person they're accusing, 513 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,600 the witch, comes to them in their dreams, 514 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,640 and they dream that the witch is doing them harm, and then, 515 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,920 they're weak, and they believe they've been visited by the witch, 516 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,800 and they have done harm. 517 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,400 So, spectral evidence... 518 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,960 Sorry, I'm trying not to laugh. 519 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760 I'm looking and going, "Mm..." "Yeah, mm, spectral evidence." 520 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,280 So, think about it as this - 521 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,560 you could bring witnesses to court for the defence, 522 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160 and say, "I am not a witch, 523 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720 "I did not visit that person in their dream, 524 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,800 "and the proof of it was I have five people to say that 525 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,440 "I was sleeping in my bed." 526 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,920 "Oh, well of course that shows you're all the more 527 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,200 "devious a witch..." 528 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,080 Cos you can split yourself! Exactly! 529 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,040 "You have the power to be in two places at once. 530 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,920 "You can be at home with your friends, 531 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280 pretending you're having a normal time 532 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,240 "whilst infiltrating your dreams." 533 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,440 Ghost evidence? 534 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,680 Ghost evidence. 535 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,640 OK, so how... 536 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,240 Hard to wrap your head round that one. Absolutely. 537 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,960 Because what makes people believe? 538 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,160 Everything is reinforcing your belief in witchcraft, 539 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,120 and then, in your life, you're thinking about witches, 540 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 your talking about witches. You're dreaming about witches... 541 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280 You're dreaming about witches. ..which I understand. 542 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080 You could not win. 543 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,080 That's the bottom line. Exactly, exactly. 544 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,880 You could not win in those circumstances. 545 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880 It's madness. 546 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,160 You may think that, but it has legal precedent. 547 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,520 So, we know from Salem that what they did was they looked back 548 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,880 to England, to the colony that they came from, and say, 549 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,000 "Has this sort of evidence been used before?" 550 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,480 And was it? Yes. 551 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,160 In England? Yes. 552 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,120 They looked back and referenced a case in Berry, where Matthew Hale, 553 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,960 who became one of England's most senior judges - 554 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,920 he said spectral evidence is admissible. 555 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,760 So, when they find out that spectral evidence is admissible in England, 556 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,160 it's an absolute no-brainer that it should be admissible in Salem. 557 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320 If you talk about a spectral vision, 558 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,520 you can put almost anything into it that you want to. 559 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,880 It may be that these are real visions, you know, 560 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,640 that people are genuinely afraid and genuinely hallucinating. 561 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960 But it may be malicious accusation instead. 562 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880 One of the reasons why Salem became so out of control 563 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800 is because the court allowed spectral evidence. 564 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,320 People think, "Oh, that would never happen again here. 565 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520 "We're too sophisticated for that, we're too intelligent from that." 566 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520 The people who lived then where as intelligent as we are now. 567 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,080 We've got iPhones, we've got all those sorts of things - 568 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,960 but that doesn't mean we're any more intelligent. 569 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,200 Their belief system at the time was the Devil was real, 570 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960 witches were real and they walked amongst us. 571 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120 If our belief system were to change, 572 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,800 could we be in a situation where people are targeted again? 573 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,520 Yes, why not? Yeah. 574 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,360 In fact, recent events have shown that there are some groups 575 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,720 who are already prepared to believe extraordinary claims 576 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,800 based on imaginary evidence. 577 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,720 In 2017, 578 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,520 an online conspiracy theory known as QAnon began to spread. 579 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,120 QAnon is a conspiracy theory that America is 580 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,800 ruled by a cabal of Satan-worshipping paedophiles, 581 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,160 and that Hillary Clinton is kind of the figurehead. 582 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,800 A shadowy, anonymous figure known as "Q" 583 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,840 appeared in online chatrooms. 584 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,320 He claimed to be a government official with inside information 585 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,200 that leading Democrats were part of a deep-state conspiracy 586 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,440 murdering children and drinking their blood. 587 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,240 That is literally almost the same as spectral evidence. 588 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160 It is, this guy is a spectre, Q, 589 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,280 this person posting nonsense on 4Chan and 8Chan, 590 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440 is obviously an impostor, 591 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,920 it's obviously made up. 592 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,760 It's nonsense - and yet, millions and millions of people 593 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,160 have fallen for it. 594 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,480 Spectral evidence. 595 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240 Hillary Clinton is a powerful woman. 596 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,320 And that kind of is the definition of a witch. 597 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840 So, it's interesting that Hillary Clinton became that focus 598 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,480 of this QAnon conspiracy theory, 599 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,720 and it's so obvious that that should happen. 600 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,720 I think that it's really easy, 601 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,440 particularly in politics where women have a voice, 602 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,680 where women have stepped into the fray 603 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000 and are giving their opinions, 604 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720 and they are alongside the men. 605 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880 It's very easy to call those women a witch. 606 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,720 The witch has not gone away. 607 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,480 Maybe the witch trials, 608 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640 like the Salem Witch Trials, have gone away 609 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,800 but they also haven't. 610 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,960 That's why you see the fact that, you know, Clinton was accused 611 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,120 of being a witch. 612 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,800 I mean, this is really so strong and so deeply ingrained, 613 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,880 it makes me wonder if the idea of the witch 614 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,600 will ever go away in society. 615 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560 This conspiracy theory had real-world consequences 616 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,160 when it morphed into a belief that the 2020 election had been stolen, 617 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280 contributing to the storming of the US Capitol. 618 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,920 In 1692 Salem, 619 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240 society's willingness to believe in imaginary spectres 620 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,520 was equally devastating, 621 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,920 as the courts found those on trial guilty of witchcraft. 622 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200 Between June and September, 623 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,040 19 people were executed - 624 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,480 14 of them women. 625 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,160 "If it was the last moment I was to live, 626 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200 "God knows, I am innocent." 627 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440 Seeing these names... 628 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360 ..really makes it real. 629 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,840 As many memorials do, that's the point of them. 630 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,480 Erm... 631 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,880 ..and I'm really glad it's here, 632 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,760 amongst everything else we've seen. 633 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Innumerable lives have been ruined. 634 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280 People have been sent to jail, some of them died there, 635 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520 they've had their property taken from them, 636 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,000 they've suffered greatly, they've been made sick, 637 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,600 they've been terrified. 638 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000 They know that their neighbours were out to have them killed. 639 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,840 And that's a terrible legacy for the whole community of Massachusetts. 640 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,880 Astonishingly, the legacy of the Salem Witch Trials 641 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,600 continues to impact the rights of women even today. 642 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,000 I've travelled across continents to explore what led to some of 643 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160 the most infamous witch trials in history, 644 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,400 and discovered their devastating impact on women. 645 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,600 Centuries ago, witch trials were born in 646 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,800 a climate of uncertainty and fear caused by economic hardship, 647 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,960 political upheaval, and extreme weather. 648 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,360 But these elements are very much part of our lives today. 649 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,560 So, are women in danger of being persecuted again? 650 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,000 Hey! How are you? Hello, how are you? 651 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,240 I'm meeting feminist writer and campaigner Laura Bates. 652 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,760 So, I think, for younger women, it's not that witch trials 653 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,840 have gone away, it's just that they've moved online. 654 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,720 And I think it has so many parallels 655 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,800 with what women went through then. 656 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,680 So, for example, there's a horrible form of torture 657 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,240 called "pricking the witch" - 658 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,840 and they basically kept women awake by pricking, 659 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,960 injuring their body with this small instrument 660 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560 through the night for days, 661 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,120 until they became so delirious that they started hallucinating. 662 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,320 And then, what they said was written down and used 663 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,720 against them as a confession. 664 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080 You know, you think, "Oh, my gosh, that's crazy, 665 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,560 "that's totally a thing of the past." 666 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,920 But then, you look at the young women I work with today, 667 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,960 and they are sometimes literally being tortured through the night 668 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,320 by the fact that the 24/7 kind of bombardment of social media. 669 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Someone can share an image of them non-consensually, 670 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,280 or even create using, you know, DeepFakes. 671 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,520 And then, maybe it's being uploaded to different social media platforms, 672 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,680 and then, these comments are pinging through the night 673 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,760 and she's being called a slut or a slag. 674 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,800 It feels like that same bombardment. 675 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,000 In the 15th century, 676 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,360 the invention of the printing press helped spread the idea of 677 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,320 the witch as an evil woman, 678 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,760 using her sexual power over men. 679 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,280 Could the Internet be having the same effect today? 680 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,560 So, let's look at this on a larger scale now, 681 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,840 and touch on something that's horrifying to all of us, 682 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,840 which is the extreme misogyny. 683 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,560 With someone like Andrew Tate, who's been in the public eye 684 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,240 the past couple of years. Yeah. 685 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120 He's talked about women being responsible for their own rapes. 686 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920 He's talked about women being the property of men. 687 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920 So, I think Andrew Tate very much isn't new, he hasn't created 688 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,760 the problem of extreme misogyny, 689 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,320 he's just one example of it. 690 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,640 But he is being facilitated in reaching particularly 691 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,840 vulnerable young people with those ideas on social media platforms. 692 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,680 And that's a real cause for concern. 693 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,080 So, you know, a good example of this is that, just on TikTok alone, 694 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,600 his videos have been viewed 11.6 billion times. 695 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,920 And that is just more than the number of people on the planet. 696 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,080 And that's one man. And that's one man. 697 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040 And that's just on one platform. Yeah. 698 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,480 I think what's really significant at the moment 699 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680 that people don't necessarily grasp 700 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,560 is the sheer scale of algorithmically-facilitated 701 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,040 mass radicalisation into extremist misogyny that's happening online 702 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,520 right under our noses. 703 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,960 And we've never seen anything like that in history. 704 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,240 So, does it feel like it's getting worse? 705 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520 Does that... does it scare you? 706 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,240 I think it is really frightening. 707 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,960 I think a lot of people would be really shocked if you kind of 708 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,840 laid bare the reality of the situation we are in. 709 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680 We know that, at the moment, just 1.4% of rapes 710 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,040 that are reported to the police result in a charge or summons 711 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,400 for a perpetrator. 712 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,280 Anywhere essentially where it is a woman's word against a man's, 713 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,960 a woman comes to harm. 714 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,720 Do you know, that makes me so - that's really, it's not... 715 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,480 I mean, it's hit before, but just putting those two things together, 716 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,200 "It's your word against mine..." Hmm. 717 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,000 I feel really upset. 718 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,040 Because, when you hear it in the context of the witch trials, 719 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,280 you feel like you're in the 17th century. Yeah. 720 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160 But, when you have just put it together with rape trials today, 721 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,480 that's really made me feel very, very uneasy. 722 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,800 The fact that we still haven't escaped the shadow of 723 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,920 the witch trials is demonstrated by one of the most controversial 724 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160 legal rulings of recent times. 725 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,600 CHANTING: We won't go back! We won't go back... 726 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,120 In 1973, the landmark case Roe vs Wade meant that 727 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,760 a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy became protected 728 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,760 by the US constitution. 729 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,760 Our bodies! ALL: Our choice! 730 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200 In June 2022, 731 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,360 the Supreme Court overturned that ruling. 732 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,520 And as a result, abortion is now restricted 733 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,720 or effectively banned in many US states. 734 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,280 Our bodies! ALL: Our choice! 735 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000 The decision by the court is atrocious. 736 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,560 It talks away my own bodily autonomy and the right of us 737 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,880 to make a decision about when and where, like, 738 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,280 when we can have a family. 739 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,240 Let's be very clear. 740 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,640 The health a life of the women of this nation are now at risk. 741 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,080 This is a sad day for the country, in my view. 742 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,520 Historic legal precedents were quoted to support 743 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,920 the court's decision - 744 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,200 including those by Matthew Hale, 745 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:06,120 the judge whose ruling made spectral evidence admissible 300 years ago 746 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,520 in the Salem Witch Trials. 747 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,720 He's the guy who allowed invisible evidence 748 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,600 to be admissible in court. 749 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,720 The fact that he has any say, 750 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,320 or like, we're referring to women's autonomy over their own body 751 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,720 in the 21st century is madness. 752 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600 These issues are baked into our justice system, 753 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,520 and the fact that 400 years later, 754 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,600 this deeply misogynistic man who was, you know, 755 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,000 you could argue was responsible for the deaths of so many women, 756 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,440 has now been part of stripping so many more millions of women 757 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,120 of their rights to autonomy over their own bodies, 758 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400 it's just horrifying, especially over and above the objections 759 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,280 of hundreds and thousands of women protesting, 760 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,200 using their voices today. I know! Who are alive today! 761 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:59,160 We've worked so hard at telling women to speak up, 762 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,040 but it does feel like we're in danger of being silenced still. 763 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,680 In the course of my work, on a bad day, 764 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,120 I can get 200 rape and death threats in a single day from men 765 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,600 who won't just say, you know, "Shut up, you're a witch," 766 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,880 which they do say, but they'll say, you know, 767 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,800 it'll be a long, thousand-word email about the seven different knives 768 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,400 they're planning to disembowel me with, 769 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,200 and the order they're going to use them in. 770 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,800 How they'll find my family and what they'll do to me. 771 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,080 And that has an impact. 772 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,600 It makes you think twice. 773 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,440 You go on the news to talk about something, and you come home, 774 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,160 and the first message you get says, 775 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,040 "I'd like to use your hair as handlebars 776 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,480 "and rape you until you die." 777 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,200 It makes you think twice about going on the news again. 778 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,800 I mean, I went cold when I heard some of those things, 779 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,320 I've heard a lot of stuff whilst making this film - 780 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,560 but to hear from someone who receives those threats, 781 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,760 what do people think that they are going to achieve 782 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,760 by sending those threats? I think they want to shut you up. 783 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120 They want you to be so scared that you'll stop talking, 784 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,440 stop doing stuff. 785 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,280 That's horrible, that's just awful. 786 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,800 We're conditioned to think of humanity as 787 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,560 progressing along a continuum, 788 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,080 and constantly getting better and more enlightened, 789 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,720 and clever and cleverer, and more prosperous. 790 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,800 But at the moment, it doesn't feel like that. 791 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,920 It feels like we're somehow retreating, 792 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:25,720 that this eclipse of reason is pulling us back into the world 793 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,040 out of which the Salem Witch Trials and all of that emerged. 794 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,840 So, how do we escape this terrifying legacy? 795 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200 Perhaps the answer lies with the witch. 796 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,440 The image of the witch is, in some ways, starting to change, 797 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,680 especially with people who are very willing to say that 798 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,200 they themselves are witches. 799 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,560 I think that's really freeing for a lot of people. 800 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,000 This idea that, you know, you could be a witch and 801 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,840 you can regain some kind of power, 802 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,720 I think witchcraft offers that. 803 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,240 Along this journey, I've met some amazing women 804 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,160 who have embraced the identity of being a witch. 805 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,440 Hello? Hi! 806 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120 Semra is known as "the Witch of Hackney Wick", 807 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,280 specialising in witchcraft rituals and healing. 808 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,480 Do you get any negative attitudes by proudly saying you're a witch? 809 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360 If ever I get an eyeroll or somebody, you know, 810 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,680 is sort of a bit funny about it, 811 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,160 my go-to comment is, "Give me a strand of your hair. 812 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,920 "Give me a strand of your hair and let's see what happens." 813 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,560 THEY LAUGH And they don't. 814 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,840 They will never give me a strand of their hair - 815 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,480 not that I'd do anything to them, 816 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,400 but it's just always a great way to prove, because really, 817 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,640 you don't believe in it? 818 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,040 Semra has created a spell to break the cycle of persecution 819 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160 for women past and present. 820 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:55,000 So, we're going to use walnuts. 821 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200 So, walnuts in magic are very much 822 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,880 about discernment and judgment, 823 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,960 and they look a little bit like a brain. Right. 824 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,480 So, we're going to smash them up, 825 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,720 because we're going to be breaking down old beliefs. 826 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,040 Yes! OK? Yes. 827 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,760 And we're allowed to get a little bit angry and release 828 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,240 when we're smashing, as well. 829 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,360 I love that you say we're "allowed" to be angry. Yes! 830 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,040 Cos that's the one thing we're not allowed to be, 831 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,400 isn't it? Yes, exactly! 832 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,880 Or difficult. Or difficult! 833 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,240 "Difficult" is a huge one for women, isn't it? Yeah. 834 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,840 And I just feel like I've got a lot of anger around that. 835 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,440 As we're holding our hammers, 836 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960 think about all thew women that were persecuted and lost their lives. 837 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,840 Yeah. Think about all the women that don't have the same freedom 838 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,320 that we have in the world. 839 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,120 Think about women who were persecuted for speaking up, 840 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,360 women who were persecuted for living their lives differently. 841 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,520 So... Change this narrative. ..let's change this narrative. 842 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,840 These people were not witches, you know? 843 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,960 No-one is consorting with the Devil, no pacts were made. 844 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,240 Seems like I shouldn't have to say that, but I do. 845 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,160 I will no longer feel guilt. 846 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,600 I am powerful. I am not afraid to use my voice. 847 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,480 People seem to think that witch trials are a relic of the past. 848 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,160 But what they don't realise is that witch trials can happen, 849 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,080 and are happening, over and over again. 850 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,400 Yes. I own my power, I step into my power. Yes. 851 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,040 I will... No longer be silenced. 852 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,840 I will no longer be silenced. 853 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,160 The more work I've done on this, 854 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480 the more angry I've become about it. 855 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,440 I think we can see, in today's society, 856 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,960 the legacy of the witch trials, 857 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,600 and that makes me really angry. 858 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,920 Argh! Yes! 859 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,080 Ahhh! 860 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,760 BOTH: Whoo! 861 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,880 The history of witch trials is women being blamed 862 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,600 for things that they could not possibly have done, 863 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,880 and they were targeted because they were vulnerable in society, 864 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920 because they didn't have any power, 865 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,280 and they were easy to blame for society's ills. 866 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040 We can look at modern-day events, 867 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,760 and we can say, "Look, we are still targeting the vulnerable 868 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,320 "for things they can't have done - 869 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,720 "have we really moved on from those days? 870 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,840 "Or are we just targeting different people with more 871 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,560 "sophisticated ways of evidence?" 872 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,800 And social media, what evidence do you need? 873 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,800 Let the ash just fall, one, two, three... 874 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,480 ..that's it. 875 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,160 That one really set on fire. 876 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,200 We need to make change, and the way that we need to do that 877 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,000 is by helping young people have a voice, 878 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,600 not let them do it on their own, by encouraging them to say 879 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,520 "Well, how can we change things?" 880 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,280 You keep this somewhere safe. Mm-hm. 881 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,920 And they're just this brilliant reminder to bring you 882 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,240 back to this moment. 883 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,480 Aww, thank you. Thank you so much. 884 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,760 Hopefully, people will think of something else 885 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,840 when they hear the word "witch," 886 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,440 and they will feel like that maybe is a conversation towards 887 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,520 feminism and female power, 888 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,920 and they will understand that the witch trials 889 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,480 was a repression of that. 890 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,920 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 70281

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