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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,195 --> 00:00:18,458 Is that all you got? 2 00:00:20,155 --> 00:00:23,332 I was hoping to trade these for some coffee beans. 3 00:00:24,812 --> 00:00:26,596 You hungry? 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,250 Yeah. 5 00:00:28,294 --> 00:00:29,773 Get some water. 6 00:00:29,817 --> 00:00:31,384 I'll make lunch. 7 00:00:34,169 --> 00:00:37,216 [birds chirping] 8 00:00:44,266 --> 00:00:46,355 [alarm blaring] 9 00:00:50,316 --> 00:00:52,144 You know what to do, son. 10 00:00:52,187 --> 00:00:54,059 Yes, sir. 11 00:00:54,102 --> 00:00:55,799 Remember... 12 00:00:55,843 --> 00:00:57,323 this is our land. 13 00:00:57,366 --> 00:00:58,628 It's kill or be killed. 14 00:01:01,370 --> 00:01:03,068 [alarm continues blaring] 15 00:01:08,943 --> 00:01:10,466 OFFICER [over bullhorn]: Mr. Schwieger. State Police. 16 00:01:10,510 --> 00:01:12,294 I need you to step outside. 17 00:01:12,338 --> 00:01:13,600 NORMAN: Now.[gunshot] 18 00:01:13,643 --> 00:01:14,905 [glass breaking] 19 00:01:14,949 --> 00:01:16,951 [officer shouting outside] 20 00:01:16,994 --> 00:01:19,823 [gunshot, gun cocking] 21 00:01:19,867 --> 00:01:23,088 Kill or be killed.[gunshot] 22 00:01:23,131 --> 00:01:24,741 So where are we going? 23 00:01:24,785 --> 00:01:26,178 What are we doing? 24 00:01:26,221 --> 00:01:28,789 And who is this wonder of wonders I just have to meet? 25 00:01:28,832 --> 00:01:30,965 What did you call him? A walking anachronism? 26 00:01:31,008 --> 00:01:33,315 Lucas Schwieger, 16. 27 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:35,187 He never attended school. 28 00:01:35,230 --> 00:01:37,580 He lives a completely sheltered existence 29 00:01:37,624 --> 00:01:40,148 in a cabin with no electricity or running water 30 00:01:40,192 --> 00:01:42,368 in the woods above Sullivan County. 31 00:01:42,411 --> 00:01:44,152 His father, whom he lived with, 32 00:01:44,196 --> 00:01:46,633 described himself as a radical survivalist. 33 00:01:46,676 --> 00:01:49,505 He was, as far as I can tell, the only person 34 00:01:49,549 --> 00:01:51,507 that Lucas had any sustained contact with 35 00:01:51,551 --> 00:01:53,814 during his 16 years of life. 36 00:01:53,857 --> 00:01:55,120 Wow. 37 00:01:55,163 --> 00:01:57,252 A caseworker with Child Protective Services 38 00:01:57,296 --> 00:02:00,821 heard about him, grew concerned, came to pay him a visit... 39 00:02:00,864 --> 00:02:03,171 escorted by the New York State Police. 40 00:02:03,215 --> 00:02:06,479 "Father and son opened fire, killing the caseworker 41 00:02:06,522 --> 00:02:08,829 "and wounding the State Police officer, 42 00:02:08,872 --> 00:02:12,137 who fired back, killing the father." 43 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:15,183 Ballistics indicate that while Lucas shot the police officer, 44 00:02:15,227 --> 00:02:18,360 wounding him in the leg, he didn't actually kill anyone. 45 00:02:18,404 --> 00:02:20,319 It was the father's gun that did that. 46 00:02:20,362 --> 00:02:22,756 Nonetheless, he's being charged as an adult for murder 47 00:02:22,799 --> 00:02:24,845 as part of a joint venture. 48 00:02:24,888 --> 00:02:27,761 Does he even understand what's going on? The charges? 49 00:02:27,804 --> 00:02:30,198 That they want him to stand trial? 50 00:02:30,242 --> 00:02:32,244 They want to punish him for what happened? 51 00:02:32,287 --> 00:02:34,333 He didn't even understand what an attorney was 52 00:02:34,376 --> 00:02:36,335 until I explained it to him.[sighs] 53 00:02:36,378 --> 00:02:38,467 You know, it's not like he's mentally impaired. 54 00:02:38,511 --> 00:02:40,165 In fact, in the little time I've spent with him, 55 00:02:40,208 --> 00:02:41,775 he seems innately intelligent. 56 00:02:41,818 --> 00:02:43,429 But his only understanding of the world 57 00:02:43,472 --> 00:02:45,213 is what's been taught to him by his father. 58 00:02:45,257 --> 00:02:47,215 Well, obviously, some doctor, somewhere, 59 00:02:47,259 --> 00:02:49,652 deemed him fit to stand trial.[buzzer blares] 60 00:02:49,696 --> 00:02:51,263 You should also know that Lucas did speak 61 00:02:51,306 --> 00:02:53,221 to the police on the record. 62 00:02:53,265 --> 00:02:55,310 He already admitted he shot the officer. 63 00:02:55,354 --> 00:02:57,138 Expressed clear intent. 64 00:02:57,182 --> 00:02:59,662 Insisted he would do it again.[door clanks open] 65 00:03:03,536 --> 00:03:05,973 [door closing] 66 00:03:12,284 --> 00:03:14,503 [handcuffs clicking] 67 00:03:19,943 --> 00:03:21,510 He's a friend. 68 00:03:25,253 --> 00:03:27,429 My name's Dr. Jason Bull. 69 00:03:27,473 --> 00:03:29,126 Dr. Statton wanted me to meet you. 70 00:03:29,170 --> 00:03:30,389 See if I could help you. 71 00:03:30,432 --> 00:03:33,174 Doctor, huh? 72 00:03:33,218 --> 00:03:34,741 I'm not sick. 73 00:03:34,784 --> 00:03:37,222 No. I'm not the doctor that helps sick people. 74 00:03:37,265 --> 00:03:40,268 I'm the doctor that helps people when they get into trouble, 75 00:03:40,312 --> 00:03:41,748 when they have to go to court. 76 00:03:41,791 --> 00:03:44,054 Do you know what court is? 77 00:03:44,098 --> 00:03:47,623 Did Dr. Statton explain about court to you? 78 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:54,413 Let me start over. 79 00:03:54,456 --> 00:03:58,460 First of all, I'm sorry about your father. 80 00:03:59,809 --> 00:04:01,594 They had better guns. 81 00:04:04,510 --> 00:04:07,643 How about your mom? 82 00:04:07,687 --> 00:04:09,384 Do you ever see her? 83 00:04:09,428 --> 00:04:11,473 Is there any way I could talk to her? 84 00:04:11,517 --> 00:04:12,909 No. 85 00:04:12,953 --> 00:04:14,520 She hung herself. 86 00:04:14,563 --> 00:04:16,130 It was when I was a little kid. 87 00:04:17,523 --> 00:04:19,612 I'm sorry. 88 00:04:26,009 --> 00:04:27,359 Lucas... 89 00:04:28,403 --> 00:04:30,449 ...do you understand you could spend 90 00:04:30,492 --> 00:04:32,799 the rest of your life in here, in jail? 91 00:04:32,842 --> 00:04:35,192 And I'm guessing you don't want that. Am I right? 92 00:04:35,236 --> 00:04:36,455 I just want to go home. 93 00:04:36,498 --> 00:04:39,806 And that's what we want to try and make happen. 94 00:04:40,807 --> 00:04:43,505 You all right with that? 95 00:04:46,595 --> 00:04:48,380 I guess so.[lock buzzes, clicks] 96 00:04:48,423 --> 00:04:50,512 All right. 97 00:04:50,556 --> 00:04:53,863 Let me get back to my office, get this started. 98 00:04:53,907 --> 00:04:56,301 I'm sure I'm gonna want to talk to you some more. 99 00:04:56,344 --> 00:04:58,651 In the meantime, is there anything I can bring you? 100 00:04:58,694 --> 00:05:01,915 Anything you miss? Maybe some books? 101 00:05:07,616 --> 00:05:11,446 Well, if you think of anything. 102 00:05:15,581 --> 00:05:17,452 [door closes] 103 00:05:19,106 --> 00:05:21,108 ♪ 104 00:05:28,376 --> 00:05:30,900 MARISSA: This is Lucas Schwieger. 16 years old. 105 00:05:30,944 --> 00:05:32,337 Charged with murder in the death 106 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:34,339 of a New York State Children's Services caseworker. 107 00:05:34,382 --> 00:05:36,950 Yeah. We all got Bull's e-mail about this kid. 108 00:05:36,993 --> 00:05:38,604 He can't read. Barely speaks. 109 00:05:38,647 --> 00:05:40,214 Lived with his dad off the grid 110 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:42,390 his whole life. Oh, and let's not forget 111 00:05:42,434 --> 00:05:44,087 he confessed to the crime. 112 00:05:44,131 --> 00:05:45,132 DANNY: So I'll just say it. 113 00:05:45,175 --> 00:05:47,395 Can we even help this boy? 114 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:49,876 We've got the surviving police officer's testimony. 115 00:05:49,919 --> 00:05:51,356 Plus the confession. 116 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:53,053 And this client doesn't seem like he's 117 00:05:53,096 --> 00:05:54,707 in a position to really help his own defense. 118 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:56,012 TAYLOR: And what kind of narrative? 119 00:05:56,056 --> 00:05:57,840 What kind of story can you tell a jury 120 00:05:57,884 --> 00:06:00,060 that makes it okay to ambush a caseworker and a trooper? 121 00:06:00,103 --> 00:06:01,409 MARISSA: Bull wants to mount 122 00:06:01,453 --> 00:06:04,064 a defense based on persuasive coercion. 123 00:06:04,107 --> 00:06:07,067 Our position will be that, because of Lucas's sheltered 124 00:06:07,110 --> 00:06:09,852 and isolated upbringing, he didn't know what he was doing, 125 00:06:09,896 --> 00:06:11,767 other than following the instructions of, 126 00:06:11,811 --> 00:06:16,381 quite literally, the only person in his life: his father. 127 00:06:16,424 --> 00:06:19,427 Norman Schwieger was delusional 128 00:06:19,471 --> 00:06:21,429 and paranoid and controlling. 129 00:06:21,473 --> 00:06:24,258 He was convinced that humankind was on the verge 130 00:06:24,301 --> 00:06:26,695 of a cataclysmic end and thought the only way to survive 131 00:06:26,739 --> 00:06:29,089 was to live a completely self-sustaining life 132 00:06:29,132 --> 00:06:31,961 away from the scrutiny of other human beings. 133 00:06:32,005 --> 00:06:35,138 And he forced his son to live the same way... 134 00:06:35,182 --> 00:06:37,053 cloistered on their small plot of land, 135 00:06:37,097 --> 00:06:39,099 which they didn't even really own, 136 00:06:39,142 --> 00:06:41,144 which Norman rigged with trip-wired alarms 137 00:06:41,188 --> 00:06:42,450 to warn them of any trespassers. 138 00:06:42,494 --> 00:06:44,452 Okay. I'll ask. 139 00:06:44,496 --> 00:06:46,933 What is persuasive coercion? 140 00:06:46,976 --> 00:06:49,065 Basically, Bull wants to argue for all intents and purposes 141 00:06:49,109 --> 00:06:52,895 that Lucas's father exercised a kind of mind control over him. 142 00:06:52,939 --> 00:06:54,636 Denied the boy a voice 143 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,986 in any decision-making of any kind. 144 00:06:57,030 --> 00:07:00,294 His job was simply to do what he was told. 145 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:02,731 And as a result, he had no experience choosing 146 00:07:02,775 --> 00:07:04,559 between right and wrong, no experience choosing anything. 147 00:07:04,603 --> 00:07:07,693 The problem is, it's an affirmative defense. 148 00:07:07,736 --> 00:07:09,521 Hi. Zero years of law school here. 149 00:07:09,564 --> 00:07:12,132 Though I did watch a lot of Ally McBealback in the '90s. 150 00:07:12,175 --> 00:07:15,048 So what does that mean? "Affirmative defense"? 151 00:07:15,091 --> 00:07:16,571 MARISSA: That means that going in, we admit 152 00:07:16,615 --> 00:07:18,051 to what the prosecution claims he did. 153 00:07:18,094 --> 00:07:20,575 And now it puts the burden on us to present evidence 154 00:07:20,619 --> 00:07:22,621 that will negate his having done it. 155 00:07:22,664 --> 00:07:25,232 Basically, yes, he shot at those people, but no, 156 00:07:25,275 --> 00:07:28,104 given the circumstances, it wasn't his fault. 157 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:29,932 And how do we make that argument? 158 00:07:29,976 --> 00:07:31,978 Is there anyone left to testify? 159 00:07:32,021 --> 00:07:35,155 With Lucas's father dead, it leaves us without one witness 160 00:07:35,198 --> 00:07:38,201 who can tell the jury about the crazy way that Lucas grew up. 161 00:07:38,245 --> 00:07:39,594 BENNY: And based on Bull's e-mails, 162 00:07:39,638 --> 00:07:41,291 it's highly unlikely that we'll be able 163 00:07:41,335 --> 00:07:43,076 to put Lucas himself on the stand. 164 00:07:43,119 --> 00:07:44,643 DANNY: Wait a second. 165 00:07:44,686 --> 00:07:46,079 Someone saw something, 166 00:07:46,122 --> 00:07:47,515 because Child Protective Services 167 00:07:47,559 --> 00:07:49,125 were sent to this house. 168 00:07:49,169 --> 00:07:50,692 I know those calls are confidential, 169 00:07:50,736 --> 00:07:53,260 but I'll start digging and see if I can find out who did it. 170 00:07:53,303 --> 00:07:54,957 You know what the trick is gonna be? 171 00:07:55,001 --> 00:07:58,047 Trying to get a jury to connect with this kid 172 00:07:58,091 --> 00:08:00,441 despite everything about his life 173 00:08:00,485 --> 00:08:03,400 being vastly different from their own. 174 00:08:03,444 --> 00:08:06,447 I can't wait to hear what the big guy has to say. 175 00:08:06,491 --> 00:08:09,755 [grunts] You ever seen one of these before? 176 00:08:09,798 --> 00:08:11,713 It's called a tie. 177 00:08:11,757 --> 00:08:14,977 It's what men wear when they want to be taken seriously. 178 00:08:16,022 --> 00:08:18,328 It hurts. Hurts my neck. 179 00:08:19,547 --> 00:08:22,202 Well, every man who's ever put one of these on 180 00:08:22,245 --> 00:08:25,466 has thought that, but still... 181 00:08:25,510 --> 00:08:28,425 people have been wearing them for hundreds of years. 182 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:32,734 Went to church once. 183 00:08:32,778 --> 00:08:35,302 Saw some there. 184 00:08:37,434 --> 00:08:40,960 So, today... today is all about picking jurors, 185 00:08:41,003 --> 00:08:43,353 the people who decide whether to punish you or not. 186 00:08:43,397 --> 00:08:45,225 Mr. Colón is gonna be asking people questions. 187 00:08:45,268 --> 00:08:47,357 You don't have to do anything; just sit there. 188 00:08:47,401 --> 00:08:48,837 Try not to react. 189 00:08:48,881 --> 00:08:51,361 And don't say a word unless I tell you to. 190 00:08:51,405 --> 00:08:54,364 Remember, people are gonna be looking at you. Okay? 191 00:08:54,408 --> 00:08:56,279 Trying to figure out who you are. 192 00:08:56,323 --> 00:08:58,194 They might make funny faces. Don't make any back. 193 00:08:58,238 --> 00:08:59,587 You just sit there, try to smile. 194 00:08:59,631 --> 00:09:01,241 It's probably gonna take the whole day. 195 00:09:01,284 --> 00:09:02,895 Mr. Colón and I will do our best 196 00:09:02,938 --> 00:09:05,506 to get you out of there as quickly as possible. 197 00:09:11,251 --> 00:09:13,427 ♪ 198 00:09:28,442 --> 00:09:31,358 [gavel raps twice] 199 00:09:31,401 --> 00:09:32,925 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 200 00:09:32,968 --> 00:09:34,709 Let me ask you all a question. 201 00:09:34,753 --> 00:09:38,234 How many of you, especially when you were teenagers, 202 00:09:38,278 --> 00:09:41,629 had a less than terrific relationship with your parents? 203 00:09:41,673 --> 00:09:43,370 You, sir. 204 00:09:43,413 --> 00:09:45,764 You were at war with your folks a lot? 205 00:09:45,807 --> 00:09:47,809 Well, my old man was a taskmaster. 206 00:09:47,853 --> 00:09:49,376 Very old-school. 207 00:09:49,419 --> 00:09:51,857 And I was the kind of kid who didn't really like rules. 208 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:53,162 Got it. 209 00:09:53,206 --> 00:09:55,382 And all of you pretty much feel the same way? 210 00:09:55,425 --> 00:09:58,951 That your parents didn't necessarily know best? 211 00:10:02,389 --> 00:10:04,913 Your Honor, the defense would like to thank 212 00:10:04,957 --> 00:10:07,394 and excuse jurors number three, 213 00:10:07,437 --> 00:10:10,963 eight, ten and 12. 214 00:10:11,006 --> 00:10:14,531 BULL: We need jurors who see Lucas was a part of a cult of two. 215 00:10:14,575 --> 00:10:18,405 Brainwashed to hate like a sort of Manchurian Candidate. 216 00:10:18,448 --> 00:10:20,363 And how do we do that? 217 00:10:20,407 --> 00:10:24,585 We look for people who can be persuaded to follow a leader. 218 00:10:24,629 --> 00:10:26,718 They may not understand the environment Lucas 219 00:10:26,761 --> 00:10:29,068 was raised in, but they can relate 220 00:10:29,111 --> 00:10:30,896 to his need to do as he's told. 221 00:10:30,939 --> 00:10:33,420 People who are risk averse 222 00:10:33,463 --> 00:10:35,552 and make middle-of-the-road decisions. 223 00:10:35,596 --> 00:10:36,945 So, tell me, sir, 224 00:10:36,989 --> 00:10:38,686 do you invest in the stock market? 225 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:39,992 I do. 226 00:10:40,035 --> 00:10:42,342 Do you buy tech stocks, high-risk investments, 227 00:10:42,385 --> 00:10:44,518 or are you more of a S&P 500 228 00:10:44,561 --> 00:10:46,041 kind of investor? 229 00:10:46,085 --> 00:10:48,043 I actually like to go with mutual funds. 230 00:10:48,087 --> 00:10:50,698 Let someone who knows what they're doing decide for me. 231 00:10:50,742 --> 00:10:52,961 Play it safe. Get a steady return. 232 00:10:55,442 --> 00:10:57,836 Your Honor, the defense finds this juror acceptable. 233 00:10:57,879 --> 00:10:59,925 And we have our jury. 234 00:10:59,968 --> 00:11:03,276 The court is in recess until tomorrow morning. 235 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:05,931 Nice job. 236 00:11:05,974 --> 00:11:08,194 You did everything we asked perfectly. 237 00:11:08,237 --> 00:11:10,065 We had a good day. 238 00:11:10,109 --> 00:11:12,938 Does that mean I can go home now? 239 00:11:12,981 --> 00:11:15,418 No. No. 240 00:11:15,462 --> 00:11:17,464 I'm sorry, this is... 241 00:11:17,507 --> 00:11:19,422 gonna take many days. 242 00:11:19,466 --> 00:11:21,860 Today was a good day but not the only day. 243 00:11:22,861 --> 00:11:24,689 Are you going home? 244 00:11:25,777 --> 00:11:27,430 Yes. 245 00:11:31,043 --> 00:11:33,480 Is he going home now? 246 00:11:33,523 --> 00:11:34,873 Yes. 247 00:11:38,354 --> 00:11:40,661 But not me? 248 00:11:42,184 --> 00:11:43,751 Not yet. 249 00:11:43,795 --> 00:11:45,753 ♪ 250 00:12:01,813 --> 00:12:04,337 What are we gonna do about this confession? 251 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:07,557 Talk about taking advantage of someone's limited capacity. 252 00:12:07,601 --> 00:12:09,429 That's why I hung around-- I wanted to get it 253 00:12:09,472 --> 00:12:11,387 in front of both of you.It's pretty damning. 254 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:12,824 I get the feeling, if they had asked him 255 00:12:12,867 --> 00:12:14,564 where Hoffa's body was buried, he would have told them. 256 00:12:14,608 --> 00:12:16,175 How about I file a motion 257 00:12:16,218 --> 00:12:18,481 to get the confession thrown out first thing in the morning? 258 00:12:18,525 --> 00:12:21,484 That's how you get to be Benjamin Colón. 259 00:12:21,528 --> 00:12:23,573 Does that mean we're done for the day? 260 00:12:23,617 --> 00:12:25,619 I know I am. 261 00:12:28,143 --> 00:12:31,538 [TV playing indistinctly] 262 00:12:31,581 --> 00:12:33,061 Are you happy? 263 00:12:33,105 --> 00:12:35,411 I'm sorry? 264 00:12:35,455 --> 00:12:37,413 Are you happy? 265 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:41,069 I am lying here naked next to my naked husband, 266 00:12:41,113 --> 00:12:45,595 watching do-it-yourself bathroom projects at 8:30 at night. 267 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:47,554 I'm euphoric. 268 00:12:47,597 --> 00:12:49,643 Why? 269 00:12:51,514 --> 00:12:52,472 [clicks off TV] 270 00:12:52,515 --> 00:12:54,300 I don't know, uh... 271 00:12:54,343 --> 00:12:56,606 the mail was piling up, and I finally got around 272 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:58,608 to going through it, 273 00:12:58,652 --> 00:13:01,437 and there was a thing from a fertility clinic. 274 00:13:02,569 --> 00:13:04,527 A bill. 275 00:13:04,571 --> 00:13:08,531 They wanted to know if they should keep your eggs frozen 276 00:13:08,575 --> 00:13:11,360 or just... throw 'em away. 277 00:13:15,887 --> 00:13:20,630 I didn't even know that you had frozen some eggs. 278 00:13:20,674 --> 00:13:22,807 I didn't even know that you... 279 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:24,417 wanted kids. 280 00:13:24,460 --> 00:13:26,593 I mean... 281 00:13:26,636 --> 00:13:29,074 I seem to recall when we first got married 282 00:13:29,117 --> 00:13:31,511 that we sort of figured out that... 283 00:13:31,554 --> 00:13:34,427 we didn't... want them. 284 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:36,211 God. 285 00:13:36,255 --> 00:13:39,824 I so didn't see this conversation coming. 286 00:13:41,042 --> 00:13:43,262 I love what we have. 287 00:13:43,305 --> 00:13:46,656 I love our life just the way it is. 288 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:48,571 But we're paying to keep your eggs 289 00:13:48,615 --> 00:13:51,618 in some stranger's Deepfreeze. 290 00:13:51,661 --> 00:13:54,012 [sighs]: I know. 291 00:13:54,055 --> 00:13:57,015 How can I explain this to you? 292 00:13:58,625 --> 00:14:01,715 After our divorce... 293 00:14:01,758 --> 00:14:03,630 friends with kids kept telling me 294 00:14:03,673 --> 00:14:05,501 that something's gonna happen, 295 00:14:05,545 --> 00:14:07,895 that I'd suddenly want them, too. 296 00:14:07,939 --> 00:14:11,594 That some switch would flip and it would be too late, 297 00:14:11,638 --> 00:14:14,336 and this was something I needed to plan for. 298 00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:15,990 And you're right, 299 00:14:16,034 --> 00:14:18,558 I never had that thing, that... kid thing, 300 00:14:18,601 --> 00:14:21,561 but I thought: "Don't be stupid. 301 00:14:21,604 --> 00:14:25,652 You don't know how you're gonna feel in five years." 302 00:14:25,695 --> 00:14:27,828 So I did it. I... 303 00:14:27,872 --> 00:14:30,875 just... did it. 304 00:14:30,918 --> 00:14:33,921 I guess... 305 00:14:33,965 --> 00:14:36,271 deep down... 306 00:14:36,315 --> 00:14:38,708 I wanted to have the option. 307 00:14:41,102 --> 00:14:43,191 So did it happen? 308 00:14:43,235 --> 00:14:46,716 Did your... switch flip? 309 00:14:48,457 --> 00:14:51,243 I really don't know. 310 00:14:51,286 --> 00:14:53,593 How would you feel if it did? 311 00:14:53,636 --> 00:14:55,812 I really don't know, either. 312 00:14:59,555 --> 00:15:01,601 I think... 313 00:15:01,644 --> 00:15:05,997 I need to give it some thought before I answer. 314 00:15:07,041 --> 00:15:08,956 Okay. 315 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,045 I think I do, too. 316 00:15:11,089 --> 00:15:12,699 Okay. 317 00:15:17,878 --> 00:15:19,619 [TV clicks on] 318 00:15:19,662 --> 00:15:22,143 [program continues indistinctly] 319 00:15:24,885 --> 00:15:27,061 ♪ 320 00:15:28,628 --> 00:15:32,284 So, this morning is just gonna be about Mr. Colón 321 00:15:32,327 --> 00:15:34,677 trying to convince the court to ignore 322 00:15:34,721 --> 00:15:36,766 what you told the police when they arrested you. 323 00:15:36,810 --> 00:15:38,203 The jury's not even gonna be there. 324 00:15:38,246 --> 00:15:39,944 Did I say something bad? 325 00:15:41,946 --> 00:15:45,688 Well, you said you did it, and you said you'd do it again. 326 00:15:49,388 --> 00:15:51,651 Should I say something different? 327 00:15:53,479 --> 00:15:55,263 BULL: No. Just... 328 00:15:55,307 --> 00:15:56,699 do what you did yesterday: 329 00:15:56,743 --> 00:15:58,658 Don't speak unless Mr. Colón asks you to. 330 00:15:58,701 --> 00:16:00,616 Just sit. 331 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:02,662 We'll do the rest. 332 00:16:04,142 --> 00:16:06,361 BENNY: Your Honor, the defense would like to file 333 00:16:06,405 --> 00:16:09,060 a motion to suppress Lucas Schwieger's statements 334 00:16:09,103 --> 00:16:11,062 to the police at the time of his arrest. 335 00:16:11,105 --> 00:16:12,498 It's gonna be fine. 336 00:16:12,541 --> 00:16:13,803 JOSHI: Your Honor, there are simply 337 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:15,109 no grounds for this. 338 00:16:15,153 --> 00:16:17,155 The defendant made a knowing and voluntary 339 00:16:17,198 --> 00:16:19,374 and intelligent waiver. 340 00:16:19,418 --> 00:16:21,681 "A knowing and voluntary and intelligent waiver." 341 00:16:21,724 --> 00:16:23,944 Your Honor, prior to my client's arrest, 342 00:16:23,988 --> 00:16:26,555 he had never even seen a state trooper 343 00:16:26,599 --> 00:16:29,123 or a courtroom or, for that matter, an attorney. 344 00:16:29,167 --> 00:16:31,604 He didn't even know what an attorney was, 345 00:16:31,647 --> 00:16:33,736 didn't know he had rights under the law. 346 00:16:33,780 --> 00:16:35,564 He didn't know anything. 347 00:16:35,608 --> 00:16:37,784 Nothing but what his father told him, 348 00:16:37,827 --> 00:16:39,829 and his father, who suffered from delusions 349 00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:43,442 and paranoia and a host of other mental illnesses, 350 00:16:43,485 --> 00:16:44,747 basically told him 351 00:16:44,791 --> 00:16:47,794 that anyone who was not one of the two of them 352 00:16:47,837 --> 00:16:49,535 was bad and needed to die. 353 00:16:49,578 --> 00:16:51,406 He never said that! He-he just... he said 354 00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:53,669 it was our land, and we had to kill or be killed! 355 00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:56,324 Lucas.My dad taught me how to carve. He taught me how to fish. 356 00:16:56,368 --> 00:16:58,239 Lucas.He-he taught me how to shoot. 357 00:16:58,283 --> 00:16:59,762 Counselor, control your client. 358 00:16:59,806 --> 00:17:03,505 They came on our land. It was kill or be killed!Lucas. 359 00:17:03,549 --> 00:17:04,593 [clears throat] 360 00:17:04,637 --> 00:17:07,161 My apologies, Your Honor. 361 00:17:07,205 --> 00:17:09,816 As you can clearly see... 362 00:17:09,859 --> 00:17:11,426 my client is a victim 363 00:17:11,470 --> 00:17:13,863 of a cruel and sadistic upbringing, 364 00:17:13,907 --> 00:17:15,952 one that kept the world away at all costs. 365 00:17:15,996 --> 00:17:18,129 He simply doesn't know any better. 366 00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:20,218 He couldn't possibly have been expected 367 00:17:20,261 --> 00:17:21,828 to understand his rights 368 00:17:21,871 --> 00:17:24,048 or the consequences of speaking without an attorney present. 369 00:17:24,091 --> 00:17:25,875 LUCAS: No, no, no, no, no! They killed him! 370 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:28,095 [gavel banging]They came on our land, and they killed him! 371 00:17:28,139 --> 00:17:29,705 Lucas, stop.We shot at them, 372 00:17:29,749 --> 00:17:31,272 but they came on our land!JUDGE: Mr. Schwieger, 373 00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:33,535 I need you to stay in your seat[Lucas continues talking] 374 00:17:33,579 --> 00:17:35,146 and to refrain from speaking.I didn't do nothing wrong! 375 00:17:35,189 --> 00:17:38,105 Officer, return Mr. Schwieger to holding, please, 376 00:17:38,149 --> 00:17:39,585 immediately. 377 00:17:41,152 --> 00:17:44,372 It's okay. You need to go with him. 378 00:17:44,416 --> 00:17:46,287 It's gonna be all right. 379 00:17:46,331 --> 00:17:47,941 Let's go. 380 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:49,595 [sighs] 381 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:56,906 [handcuffs clicking] 382 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,607 This is one of those moments in a judge's life. 383 00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:03,130 [door opens] 384 00:18:03,174 --> 00:18:04,871 [door closes] 385 00:18:04,914 --> 00:18:07,700 So... let's talk law. 386 00:18:07,743 --> 00:18:11,617 I certainly see the validity of your argument, Mr. Colón. 387 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:13,097 "Knowing and voluntary and intelligent" 388 00:18:13,140 --> 00:18:14,968 hardly describes what went on here. 389 00:18:15,011 --> 00:18:17,884 Your motion to suppress Mr. Schwieger's statement 390 00:18:17,927 --> 00:18:20,452 to the police from evidence is granted. 391 00:18:20,495 --> 00:18:22,367 However... 392 00:18:22,410 --> 00:18:24,369 I'm not sure the omission of the statement 393 00:18:24,412 --> 00:18:27,807 will matter much to the jury if you can't rein in 394 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:29,852 your client's behavior. 395 00:18:29,896 --> 00:18:31,593 Yes, Your Honor. 396 00:18:31,637 --> 00:18:33,726 Thank you, Your Honor. 397 00:18:34,944 --> 00:18:37,730 BENNY: What did we get ourselves into here? 398 00:18:38,774 --> 00:18:40,341 He couldn't even keep it together 399 00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:42,517 for a ten-minute motion hearing.[phone vibrating] 400 00:18:42,561 --> 00:18:44,432 How is he supposed to make it 401 00:18:44,476 --> 00:18:46,652 through eight hours a day of court? 402 00:18:48,958 --> 00:18:50,917 May I ask who's calling? 403 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,745 This is he. 404 00:18:54,312 --> 00:18:55,835 I see. 405 00:18:57,228 --> 00:18:58,925 I see. 406 00:18:58,968 --> 00:19:00,840 No, I'll be right over. 407 00:19:00,883 --> 00:19:03,234 I very much appreciate the call. 408 00:19:03,277 --> 00:19:04,887 Everything all right? 409 00:19:06,976 --> 00:19:08,978 Lucas is in the hospital. 410 00:19:09,022 --> 00:19:10,980 After he returned from court today, 411 00:19:11,024 --> 00:19:12,982 he tried to hang himself. 412 00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:16,029 [takes deep breath] 413 00:19:26,431 --> 00:19:28,389 Sorry I'm late. 414 00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:30,391 What kind of shape is he in? 415 00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:32,698 Well, at the moment, he's heavily sedated. 416 00:19:32,741 --> 00:19:34,700 One of the other inmates heard him choking 417 00:19:34,743 --> 00:19:36,180 and called out to the guards. 418 00:19:36,223 --> 00:19:39,139 They cut him down and resuscitated him. 419 00:19:39,183 --> 00:19:42,098 The good news is he's going to be fine. 420 00:19:43,535 --> 00:19:45,667 So, anybody venturing a guess about when he'll be awake, 421 00:19:45,711 --> 00:19:47,713 when I can get him back in court? 422 00:19:47,756 --> 00:19:49,628 They're guessing his sedation wouldn't wear off 423 00:19:49,671 --> 00:19:51,282 until midday tomorrow. 424 00:19:51,325 --> 00:19:52,283 Oh. 425 00:19:52,326 --> 00:19:53,371 So... 426 00:19:53,414 --> 00:19:54,676 what now? 427 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,678 Now we roar into the courtroom tomorrow morning 428 00:19:56,722 --> 00:19:58,071 before the prosecution is any wiser, 429 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,552 and Benny files a motion to try and keep all this 430 00:20:00,595 --> 00:20:01,901 from being introduced into the record. 431 00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:04,382 Why? I mean, I'm no lawyer, 432 00:20:04,425 --> 00:20:06,297 but if I'm on the jury, 433 00:20:06,340 --> 00:20:07,776 doesn't the idea that he 434 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:11,215 almost tried to kill himself make Lucas look... 435 00:20:11,258 --> 00:20:12,564 sympathetic? 436 00:20:12,607 --> 00:20:14,348 You'd think so, wouldn't you? 437 00:20:14,392 --> 00:20:16,698 But that's not how the other side will spin it. 438 00:20:16,742 --> 00:20:18,091 They will claim it is proof 439 00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:20,267 Lucas felt guilty about what he did, 440 00:20:20,311 --> 00:20:22,704 that he knows he did something he shouldn't have, 441 00:20:22,748 --> 00:20:25,403 and since we're telling the jury the exact opposite-- 442 00:20:25,446 --> 00:20:26,969 that he didn't know the difference 443 00:20:27,013 --> 00:20:28,536 between right and wrong-- 444 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:30,103 the trial would effectively be over 445 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:32,671 before we ever called a witness. 446 00:20:33,802 --> 00:20:35,761 BENNY: That the suicide attempt is 447 00:20:35,804 --> 00:20:37,719 somehow connected to this caseworker's death 448 00:20:37,763 --> 00:20:39,547 is pure speculation. 449 00:20:39,591 --> 00:20:41,636 I mean, look at everything this young man has been through. 450 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,072 He watched 451 00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:45,814 as his father was shot to death right in front of him. 452 00:20:45,858 --> 00:20:46,815 He's been pulled away 453 00:20:46,859 --> 00:20:48,643 from the only home he's ever known. 454 00:20:48,687 --> 00:20:51,559 He's spent this last week either in a-a courtroom 455 00:20:51,603 --> 00:20:53,039 or a jail cell. 456 00:20:53,082 --> 00:20:55,302 If we are going to hypothesize, 457 00:20:55,346 --> 00:20:56,912 shouldn't we say 458 00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:59,872 that maybe depression is the cause of... of this behavior? 459 00:20:59,915 --> 00:21:01,700 Your Honor, 460 00:21:01,743 --> 00:21:03,745 Dr. Jason Bull. 461 00:21:03,789 --> 00:21:05,704 I'm part of the defense team and a doctor of psychology. 462 00:21:05,747 --> 00:21:08,097 I know who you are, Dr. Bull. 463 00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:09,577 Well, in my professional opinion, 464 00:21:09,621 --> 00:21:11,536 it's likely that this child tried to kill himself 465 00:21:11,579 --> 00:21:15,061 because the only man he knew, the only man he trusted, 466 00:21:15,104 --> 00:21:17,368 his father, was being referred to 467 00:21:17,411 --> 00:21:20,806 as the person most responsible for his own death 468 00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:22,721 and his son's incarceration. 469 00:21:22,764 --> 00:21:25,550 Now, this man was the boy's God. His North Star. 470 00:21:25,593 --> 00:21:28,640 Everything he knew about life he learned from this man, 471 00:21:28,683 --> 00:21:31,338 and to hear that he could be so profoundly wrong 472 00:21:31,382 --> 00:21:33,340 had to be cataclysmic for him 473 00:21:33,384 --> 00:21:36,735 and was surely reason enough for him to consider 474 00:21:36,778 --> 00:21:39,303 taking his own life. 475 00:21:41,348 --> 00:21:43,872 I'm not sure what I believe the boy was thinking. 476 00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:46,788 Respectfully, that's for the jury to decide. 477 00:21:46,832 --> 00:21:48,790 And they won't get to decide if we withhold 478 00:21:48,834 --> 00:21:51,489 the defendant's suicide attempt from them. 479 00:21:51,532 --> 00:21:53,491 [sighs] 480 00:21:53,534 --> 00:21:55,493 I agree with the defense, 481 00:21:55,536 --> 00:21:58,322 and I find the prejudicial impact 482 00:21:58,365 --> 00:22:01,325 outweighs the probative value. 483 00:22:01,368 --> 00:22:04,589 The attempted suicide will not be allowed into evidence. 484 00:22:04,632 --> 00:22:06,460 When will the defendant 485 00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:08,288 be available so that the trial can resume? 486 00:22:08,332 --> 00:22:10,464 We will get you the answer to that question 487 00:22:10,508 --> 00:22:12,466 as soon as possible, Your Honor. 488 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,643 WOMAN: I am so sorry. 489 00:22:15,687 --> 00:22:18,342 It's amazing what he can do in a split second. 490 00:22:18,385 --> 00:22:19,734 It's fine. 491 00:22:19,778 --> 00:22:21,214 BOY: Here, Mommy. 492 00:22:24,739 --> 00:22:25,871 How old is he? 493 00:22:25,914 --> 00:22:27,307 22 months. 494 00:22:27,351 --> 00:22:29,222 [chuckles] Uh, almost two. 495 00:22:29,265 --> 00:22:31,355 Two years since I've had a full night's sleep. 496 00:22:31,398 --> 00:22:32,747 Two years since I've read a book. 497 00:22:32,791 --> 00:22:33,922 Two years since I've been to the gym. 498 00:22:33,966 --> 00:22:35,402 You have kids? 499 00:22:36,751 --> 00:22:37,839 Yeah, I can tell. 500 00:22:37,883 --> 00:22:39,493 You lack frazzle. 501 00:22:41,321 --> 00:22:42,931 Bye. 502 00:22:46,892 --> 00:22:48,850 DANNY: Well, turns out the nearest neighbors 503 00:22:48,894 --> 00:22:50,939 are almost a quarter mile away. 504 00:22:50,983 --> 00:22:52,114 They seemed to know that there was a teenager 505 00:22:52,158 --> 00:22:53,551 and an old man living near them, 506 00:22:53,594 --> 00:22:55,553 but they said that they'd sometimes hear gunfire, 507 00:22:55,596 --> 00:22:56,728 so they kept their distance. 508 00:22:56,771 --> 00:22:58,686 BULL: Maybe there's someone 509 00:22:58,730 --> 00:23:00,427 from their past. 510 00:23:00,471 --> 00:23:02,864 He told me his mother hung herself when he was little. 511 00:23:02,908 --> 00:23:04,736 I'll bet that's where he got the idea. 512 00:23:04,779 --> 00:23:06,738 How horrible.BULL: Maybe there's someone 513 00:23:06,781 --> 00:23:08,870 who knew her, who was friends with her before she... 514 00:23:08,914 --> 00:23:10,568 BENNY: That would be great. 515 00:23:10,611 --> 00:23:13,092 Someone we could get to testify 516 00:23:13,135 --> 00:23:15,573 to how Lucas had a normal life at one time 517 00:23:15,616 --> 00:23:18,271 and a completely isolated one once the mother passed. 518 00:23:19,315 --> 00:23:21,013 I know it drives the kid crazy, 519 00:23:21,056 --> 00:23:22,580 but we have to keep hammering away 520 00:23:22,623 --> 00:23:24,146 at what a lunatic the father was. 521 00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:26,758 What about the person who called Child Protective Services? 522 00:23:26,801 --> 00:23:27,933 There's a reason why 523 00:23:27,976 --> 00:23:29,804 these folks went out to take a look. 524 00:23:29,848 --> 00:23:31,458 Someone had to have called in a complaint. 525 00:23:31,502 --> 00:23:33,634 Yep. A woman named Yvonne Fowler. 526 00:23:33,678 --> 00:23:35,114 She won't take my calls, 527 00:23:35,157 --> 00:23:36,594 and she doesn't answer the door when I visit her house, 528 00:23:36,637 --> 00:23:38,900 but I haven't given up. 529 00:23:38,944 --> 00:23:40,336 Well, I'm about to. I'm exhausted. 530 00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:42,426 Court's back in session first thing in the morning. 531 00:23:42,469 --> 00:23:44,123 You don't have to tell me twice. 532 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:47,996 [computer beeping] 533 00:23:49,650 --> 00:23:52,610 TAYLOR: My son is obsessed with sending me poop emojis. 534 00:23:52,653 --> 00:23:54,394 I wonder if it means something. 535 00:23:54,438 --> 00:23:56,265 You are always on duty, aren't you? 536 00:23:56,309 --> 00:23:57,963 On duty? 537 00:23:58,006 --> 00:24:00,008 That's a joke, right? 538 00:24:01,836 --> 00:24:03,795 Hey, let me ask you something. 539 00:24:03,838 --> 00:24:06,014 How'd you know you wanted to have kids? 540 00:24:06,058 --> 00:24:07,799 Was it something... 541 00:24:07,842 --> 00:24:09,714 you just felt in your soul, 542 00:24:09,757 --> 00:24:12,368 or did you just sense it was the right time? 543 00:24:12,412 --> 00:24:14,893 Neither. It was more like a three-martini night, 544 00:24:14,936 --> 00:24:16,764 and nine months later we needed a crib. 545 00:24:16,808 --> 00:24:18,679 [chuckles softly]I mean, 546 00:24:18,723 --> 00:24:19,854 it wasn't planned, 547 00:24:19,898 --> 00:24:22,814 but wouldn't trade it for anything. 548 00:24:22,857 --> 00:24:24,380 You getting an itch? 549 00:24:25,425 --> 00:24:27,514 Not even a tickle. 550 00:24:27,558 --> 00:24:29,516 Greg? 551 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,518 He wants what I want. 552 00:24:31,562 --> 00:24:33,172 At least, that's what he says. 553 00:24:33,215 --> 00:24:35,348 And you don't know what you want. 554 00:24:35,391 --> 00:24:37,350 No. 555 00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,134 I envy you. 556 00:24:39,178 --> 00:24:40,832 [chuckles]: Really? Why? 557 00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:43,138 It feels terrible from in here. 558 00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:46,446 Because no matter what happens, no matter what you do, 559 00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:48,666 it's gonna be wonderful. 560 00:24:50,668 --> 00:24:52,017 You're either gonna get what you want, 561 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:54,410 or you're gonna... get what you want. 562 00:24:56,369 --> 00:24:58,327 [elevator bell chimes] 563 00:24:58,371 --> 00:25:02,027 The people would like to call Yvonne Fowler to the stand. 564 00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:03,463 MARISSA: Yvonne Fowler? 565 00:25:03,507 --> 00:25:06,031 Isn't she the one Danny said called in the complaint 566 00:25:06,074 --> 00:25:07,293 to Child Services? 567 00:25:07,336 --> 00:25:09,730 Looks like she took the prosecution's call. 568 00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:13,212 [whispers]: I know her. 569 00:25:13,255 --> 00:25:14,735 JOSHI: Ms. Fowler, 570 00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,433 could you please tell the court how you came to meet 571 00:25:17,477 --> 00:25:19,044 Lucas Schwieger? 572 00:25:19,087 --> 00:25:22,482 I'm a nurse at St. Benjamin's Hospital, 573 00:25:22,526 --> 00:25:25,877 which is about five miles from where Norman and Lucas lived. 574 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,444 A few months ago, Norman showed up 575 00:25:28,488 --> 00:25:30,621 in the middle of the night at the hospital with Lucas. 576 00:25:30,664 --> 00:25:34,059 Norman had walking pneumonia. 577 00:25:34,102 --> 00:25:35,626 Once we got Norman checked in, 578 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:38,106 I realized Lucas had nowhere to go. 579 00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:40,674 So I brought him home with me, 580 00:25:40,718 --> 00:25:44,156 thinking it would just be for a day or so. 581 00:25:44,199 --> 00:25:46,985 But one day turned into two, two turned into a week, 582 00:25:47,028 --> 00:25:51,032 and Lucas ended up staying with us for three weeks. 583 00:25:51,076 --> 00:25:52,643 And when you say "us"?Oh. 584 00:25:52,686 --> 00:25:54,122 My husband and two children. 585 00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:56,560 Boys. Seven and nine. 586 00:25:56,603 --> 00:25:58,736 So, when the defense claims Mr. Schwieger 587 00:25:58,779 --> 00:26:01,782 spent his whole life in isolation, 588 00:26:01,826 --> 00:26:03,262 that simply isn't true, is it? 589 00:26:03,305 --> 00:26:05,264 I don't know anything about his whole life. 590 00:26:05,307 --> 00:26:06,918 Well, but you can categorically state 591 00:26:06,961 --> 00:26:08,354 that he lived with you? 592 00:26:08,397 --> 00:26:11,009 Had running water, home-cooked meals, 593 00:26:11,052 --> 00:26:14,099 slept in a warm bed for a period 594 00:26:14,142 --> 00:26:16,449 of three weeks? 595 00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:17,972 Yes, he did. 596 00:26:18,016 --> 00:26:19,583 Now, you're very active in your church, 597 00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:21,062 aren't you, Ms. Fowler? 598 00:26:21,106 --> 00:26:22,368 Our whole family is. 599 00:26:22,411 --> 00:26:24,022 I teach Sunday school. 600 00:26:24,065 --> 00:26:27,416 During the three weeks Lucas lived with you, 601 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:29,027 did you ever take him to church? 602 00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:30,419 Every Sunday. 603 00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:33,205 He said he'd never stepped inside a church before, 604 00:26:33,248 --> 00:26:35,990 and he seemed to like it. 605 00:26:36,034 --> 00:26:39,167 The singing, the shaking hands, the sermon. 606 00:26:39,211 --> 00:26:41,039 My boys showed him how 607 00:26:41,082 --> 00:26:43,607 to put money in the plate. 608 00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:45,043 Hard to know if this is good or bad 609 00:26:45,086 --> 00:26:46,479 for our side. 610 00:26:46,522 --> 00:26:48,568 Anything that suggests Lucas knew right from wrong 611 00:26:48,612 --> 00:26:50,178 is not a help.JOSHI: So, I'm curious. 612 00:26:50,222 --> 00:26:52,833 Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger with you to Sunday school? 613 00:26:52,877 --> 00:26:53,965 Yes, I did once. 614 00:26:54,008 --> 00:26:55,183 Could you tell the court what lessons 615 00:26:55,227 --> 00:26:56,707 were being taught that Sunday? 616 00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:59,144 We talked about the Ten Commandments. 617 00:26:59,187 --> 00:27:01,842 And that particular week was the fifth commandment: 618 00:27:01,886 --> 00:27:04,410 thou shalt not kill. 619 00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:06,368 [gallery murmuring] 620 00:27:07,456 --> 00:27:08,762 BULL: Jury's slipping away. 621 00:27:08,806 --> 00:27:10,329 They're starting to sense 622 00:27:10,372 --> 00:27:11,896 that he's seen enough of the world 623 00:27:11,939 --> 00:27:13,506 to know the difference between right and wrong. 624 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:14,725 You don't just shoot people 625 00:27:14,768 --> 00:27:16,422 when they show up in front of your house. 626 00:27:16,465 --> 00:27:18,206 So, how'd it go in there? 627 00:27:19,251 --> 00:27:21,079 We've had better days. 628 00:27:21,122 --> 00:27:22,646 You still interested in making the father the villain? 629 00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:25,910 I'm not sure it much matters to the jury at this point. 630 00:27:25,953 --> 00:27:27,825 Maybe that's because they haven't heard 631 00:27:27,868 --> 00:27:29,914 the really bad stuff.Really bad stuff? Like what? 632 00:27:29,957 --> 00:27:31,872 Like, how about telling a child his whole life 633 00:27:31,916 --> 00:27:35,136 that his mother is dead when she's actually alive. 634 00:27:42,361 --> 00:27:43,492 WOMAN: You good if I smoke? 635 00:27:43,536 --> 00:27:44,580 [match lights] 636 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,978 Anybody thirsty? 637 00:27:51,022 --> 00:27:53,546 We're fine. We just wanted to ask you a few questions 638 00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:56,549 about your ex-husband, Norman, and your son, Lucas. 639 00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,291 Oh, well, I mean, I'll tell you everything I know. 640 00:28:00,335 --> 00:28:02,381 Did you know that Norman died? 641 00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:04,818 Shot by a state trooper. 642 00:28:04,862 --> 00:28:08,430 And that your son, Lucas, is on trial for murder? 643 00:28:08,474 --> 00:28:09,867 [snorts] 644 00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:11,869 No, I didn't know that. 645 00:28:11,912 --> 00:28:14,045 You aware that your son thinks you're dead? 646 00:28:14,088 --> 00:28:16,090 Well, I'm not surprised. 647 00:28:16,134 --> 00:28:17,701 You ever meet his father? 648 00:28:17,744 --> 00:28:18,876 Never had the pleasure. 649 00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:20,225 What can you tell me about him? 650 00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:23,315 Uh, he's crazy. 651 00:28:23,358 --> 00:28:24,751 I just finally said, 652 00:28:24,795 --> 00:28:27,406 "I'm gonna take Lucas and leave." 653 00:28:27,449 --> 00:28:29,103 And how'd Norman feel about that? 654 00:28:29,147 --> 00:28:31,236 Oh, that night I woke up 655 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,368 and find Norman on top of me with a pistol in my mouth. 656 00:28:33,412 --> 00:28:35,414 And he said if I ever tried to take the boy, 657 00:28:35,457 --> 00:28:37,416 he was gonna kill both of us. 658 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:39,679 How old was Lucas? 659 00:28:39,723 --> 00:28:42,160 He'd just turned three. 660 00:28:42,203 --> 00:28:45,380 So, that night, the second he fell asleep, 661 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,513 I was out the window. 662 00:28:47,556 --> 00:28:49,558 I didn't even kiss my baby good-bye. 663 00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:53,127 I know it's been a long time, 664 00:28:53,171 --> 00:28:54,738 but we need your son's jury to hear 665 00:28:54,781 --> 00:28:56,740 what it was like to live with that man, 666 00:28:56,783 --> 00:28:59,873 to hear the story you just told us. 667 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:01,657 Yeah, I don't think so. 668 00:29:01,701 --> 00:29:03,398 I got a really busy schedule. 669 00:29:04,443 --> 00:29:06,706 You have a drug problem, Mrs. Schwieger? 670 00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:08,316 It's not a problem for me. 671 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,927 Okay, I'm gonna step outside. 672 00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:11,363 She's gonna stay in here with you. 673 00:29:11,406 --> 00:29:13,278 I want you to put on the closest thing you have 674 00:29:13,321 --> 00:29:14,496 to a decent dress, 675 00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:16,107 and then we are going to the courthouse. 676 00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:18,326 And don't try going out the window. 677 00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:20,372 She's ex-FBI. 678 00:29:24,245 --> 00:29:25,769 She could be anybody. 679 00:29:25,812 --> 00:29:27,074 But she isn't. 680 00:29:27,118 --> 00:29:29,207 Can I smoke? No. 681 00:29:31,209 --> 00:29:33,167 She's gonna tell the jury 682 00:29:33,211 --> 00:29:35,213 what life was like with your father before she left. 683 00:29:35,256 --> 00:29:36,605 And you're not gonna like hearing it, 684 00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:39,130 but I need you to promise that you will not react. 685 00:29:39,173 --> 00:29:41,523 No noises. No faces. 686 00:29:41,567 --> 00:29:44,570 No standing. No talking. 687 00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:48,356 Don't worry, I won't do nothing. 688 00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:53,318 I don't even know her. 689 00:29:53,361 --> 00:29:55,320 BRENDA: He knocked me around 690 00:29:55,363 --> 00:29:57,235 all the time. 691 00:29:57,278 --> 00:29:58,845 Wouldn't let us go out. 692 00:29:58,889 --> 00:30:00,629 He didn't trust anyone. 693 00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:03,197 Objection, Your Honor. What does any of this have to do 694 00:30:03,241 --> 00:30:05,199 with whether or not Lucas Schwieger shot a police officer? 695 00:30:05,243 --> 00:30:07,114 BENNY: If it pleases the court, 696 00:30:07,158 --> 00:30:09,247 in order to understand what happened 697 00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:11,423 the day of the shooting, we have to understand 698 00:30:11,466 --> 00:30:13,773 what kind of environment Lucas came from. 699 00:30:13,817 --> 00:30:15,644 Overruled. 700 00:30:15,688 --> 00:30:17,342 BENNY: Now, you were saying... 701 00:30:17,385 --> 00:30:19,648 He just got stranger and stranger. 702 00:30:19,692 --> 00:30:23,217 He-he stopped letting me leave the cabin at all. 703 00:30:23,261 --> 00:30:25,829 He... he rigged up alarms 704 00:30:25,872 --> 00:30:27,569 so that he would know if somebody came and went. 705 00:30:27,613 --> 00:30:29,180 He said that the government 706 00:30:29,223 --> 00:30:30,703 was watching him from satellites. 707 00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:32,487 From space? 708 00:30:32,531 --> 00:30:36,056 Yeah. Sometimes at night he'd go outside, 709 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:37,884 and-and he'd scream at them. 710 00:30:37,928 --> 00:30:39,146 He'd shoot his guns up in the air. 711 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:41,235 I mean, I was scared all the time. 712 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,715 It was no way to live. 713 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:45,892 And it probably wasn't any better for Lucas, either. 714 00:30:45,936 --> 00:30:48,329 Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. 715 00:30:48,373 --> 00:30:50,288 MARISSA: Well, that made an impact. 716 00:30:50,331 --> 00:30:52,203 No reds have flipped green, but I can see 717 00:30:52,246 --> 00:30:54,683 that their attitudes about Lucas are in flux. 718 00:30:54,727 --> 00:30:58,122 For the first time, they're sympathizing with him. 719 00:30:59,688 --> 00:31:02,256 Let's take a moment and talk about your past. 720 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:03,475 Are you 721 00:31:03,518 --> 00:31:04,606 the same Brenda Schwieger 722 00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:07,087 who was convicted of forging checks? 723 00:31:07,131 --> 00:31:10,351 Sentenced to court-appointed rehab twice? 724 00:31:10,395 --> 00:31:12,919 Hasn't had a full-time job in almost 20 years? 725 00:31:12,963 --> 00:31:14,616 And you expect this jury 726 00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:16,009 to believe anything you have to say? 727 00:31:16,053 --> 00:31:17,228 You got me. 728 00:31:17,271 --> 00:31:18,925 I don't even want to be here. 729 00:31:18,969 --> 00:31:21,362 I just was told that I had to. 730 00:31:21,406 --> 00:31:23,016 But I'll tell you this. 731 00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:25,801 My husband ruined me. 732 00:31:25,845 --> 00:31:29,196 I used to be a human being. 733 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,286 So whatever kind of person Lucas has become, 734 00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:35,942 trust me, it's because his father got him there. 735 00:31:35,986 --> 00:31:38,379 If my little baby has become a killer, 736 00:31:38,423 --> 00:31:40,816 it's because his father turned him into one. 737 00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:50,870 BENNY: She was good. 738 00:31:50,914 --> 00:31:52,741 You think it was enough? 739 00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:54,830 No. 740 00:31:54,874 --> 00:31:56,223 But I have an idea. 741 00:31:56,267 --> 00:31:58,225 DANNY: So these are of 742 00:31:58,269 --> 00:32:00,358 the inside of the cabin. 743 00:32:00,401 --> 00:32:01,620 As you can see, it's pretty spartan. 744 00:32:01,663 --> 00:32:02,926 BULL: You can use these to show 745 00:32:02,969 --> 00:32:05,058 the jury how little stimulation was available. 746 00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:08,105 No books, no radio, no TV. 747 00:32:08,148 --> 00:32:10,672 Obviously, no computers. 748 00:32:10,716 --> 00:32:13,284 And most importantly, no outlets for learning. 749 00:32:13,327 --> 00:32:16,548 All right, so these are the air horns and the trip wires 750 00:32:16,591 --> 00:32:18,202 Norman installed around the property 751 00:32:18,245 --> 00:32:19,768 to ward against intruders. 752 00:32:19,812 --> 00:32:20,987 BENNY: Got it. 753 00:32:21,031 --> 00:32:22,858 Helps demonstrate the paranoia. 754 00:32:22,902 --> 00:32:25,078 Fear of outsiders, the isolation. 755 00:32:25,122 --> 00:32:26,210 Ready for the next series? 756 00:32:26,253 --> 00:32:28,342 Fire when ready. 757 00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:34,348 What are we looking at here? 758 00:32:34,392 --> 00:32:36,350 DANNY: It's a homemade target range. 759 00:32:36,394 --> 00:32:38,874 Metal head and torso silhouettes. 760 00:32:38,918 --> 00:32:40,833 By the way, the police dusted all of this. 761 00:32:40,876 --> 00:32:42,487 The guns, the targets. 762 00:32:42,530 --> 00:32:45,403 Lucas's fingerprints were everywhere. 763 00:32:45,446 --> 00:32:47,274 His father's? Norman's? 764 00:32:47,318 --> 00:32:49,668 Not so much. 765 00:32:50,712 --> 00:32:52,453 Wow. 766 00:32:52,497 --> 00:32:53,977 All those bull's-eyes. 767 00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:56,327 One on top of the other. Looks like 768 00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:57,589 Lucas was quite the shot. 769 00:32:57,632 --> 00:32:59,721 How far away would you say the targets were 770 00:32:59,765 --> 00:33:02,115 from the stand where Lucas would have been shooting from? 771 00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:04,335 Had to be at least 50 yards.BENNY: I'm not sure 772 00:33:04,378 --> 00:33:07,294 we really want the jury looking at this target range. 773 00:33:07,338 --> 00:33:09,427 I mean, it's kind of horrific. 774 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:11,646 Kind of like looking at a murderer's training ground. 775 00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:13,997 Actually, I disagree. 776 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,390 I think this is exactly what the jury needs to see. 777 00:33:16,434 --> 00:33:19,219 Okay. Well, how are we gonna get all this in? 778 00:33:19,263 --> 00:33:20,481 Who's on the stand? 779 00:33:20,525 --> 00:33:22,309 Can't just stand up in front of a court 780 00:33:22,353 --> 00:33:24,311 and show photos without any context. 781 00:33:24,355 --> 00:33:26,313 We need somebody to authenticate them, 782 00:33:26,357 --> 00:33:28,576 to say that this is really where Lucas lived, 783 00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:30,491 that this is really what it looked like. 784 00:33:30,535 --> 00:33:32,537 Who are we gonna get to do that? 785 00:33:35,235 --> 00:33:37,498 I was thinking... Lucas. 786 00:33:46,507 --> 00:33:47,639 Good morning, Lucas. 787 00:33:47,682 --> 00:33:49,728 First time in a witness box? 788 00:33:49,771 --> 00:33:51,947 Yes. 789 00:33:51,991 --> 00:33:55,429 Well, you know how this works, right? 790 00:33:55,473 --> 00:33:58,519 They made you raise your right hand a moment ago, and 791 00:33:58,563 --> 00:33:59,955 you promised to tell the truth. 792 00:33:59,999 --> 00:34:01,131 You understand that, don't you? 793 00:34:01,174 --> 00:34:03,133 Yes. 794 00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:04,743 All right. 795 00:34:04,786 --> 00:34:07,528 Now... [clears throat] 796 00:34:07,572 --> 00:34:09,965 Does this picture...? 797 00:34:10,009 --> 00:34:12,838 Does this look familiar to you? 798 00:34:12,881 --> 00:34:14,840 Does it look like a place you know? 799 00:34:14,883 --> 00:34:16,842 Yes. 800 00:34:16,885 --> 00:34:18,670 It's behind my house. 801 00:34:18,713 --> 00:34:21,107 BENNY: It's a target range. 802 00:34:21,151 --> 00:34:23,370 Right? A place where... 803 00:34:23,414 --> 00:34:25,590 people practice shooting guns? 804 00:34:25,633 --> 00:34:27,635 Yes. 805 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,159 You shoot there a lot? 806 00:34:29,202 --> 00:34:31,117 Pretty much almost every day. 807 00:34:31,161 --> 00:34:32,901 BENNY: All right. 808 00:34:32,945 --> 00:34:36,253 Now how far was that target from where you shot? 809 00:34:37,254 --> 00:34:38,820 Uh, I-I don't get you. 810 00:34:38,864 --> 00:34:42,346 How many steps? I mean, if you had to take a guess. 811 00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:44,348 Um... 812 00:34:44,391 --> 00:34:46,567 at least a hundred. 813 00:34:46,611 --> 00:34:48,003 Okay. 814 00:34:48,047 --> 00:34:51,094 And how far away from the house was the state trooper 815 00:34:51,137 --> 00:34:53,661 and the lady he brought with him? 816 00:34:53,705 --> 00:34:55,663 The one your dad shot? 817 00:34:55,707 --> 00:34:57,665 Maybe... 818 00:34:57,709 --> 00:34:59,928 20 steps. 819 00:34:59,972 --> 00:35:01,321 Never really counted. 820 00:35:01,365 --> 00:35:03,410 Objection. Relevance? 821 00:35:03,454 --> 00:35:06,892 If the court would just indulge me for a moment more, please? 822 00:35:06,935 --> 00:35:08,067 Overruled. 823 00:35:08,111 --> 00:35:10,113 Thank you, Your Honor. 824 00:35:10,156 --> 00:35:13,116 Do you recognize this picture? 825 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,379 That's what I shoot at. 826 00:35:15,422 --> 00:35:17,032 BENNY: So these are your bullet holes? 827 00:35:17,076 --> 00:35:18,251 LUCAS: I'm the only one 828 00:35:18,295 --> 00:35:19,513 who shoots there. 829 00:35:19,557 --> 00:35:21,428 Huh. 830 00:35:21,472 --> 00:35:26,172 So if you shoot at these targets pretty much every day, 831 00:35:26,216 --> 00:35:29,915 and they're at least a hundred feet away, 832 00:35:29,958 --> 00:35:32,265 why'd you shoot that state trooper in the leg? 833 00:35:32,309 --> 00:35:34,137 [gallery murmuring] 834 00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:42,319 The witness will answer the question.Oh, that's all right. 835 00:35:42,362 --> 00:35:44,364 I'll rephrase. 836 00:35:44,408 --> 00:35:47,411 Didn't your father tell you, "It's kill or be killed"? 837 00:35:49,978 --> 00:35:52,111 JUDGE: Again, 838 00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:53,373 the witness will answer the question. 839 00:35:53,417 --> 00:35:55,201 I'll withdraw the question. Let me ask another. 840 00:35:55,245 --> 00:35:57,595 Do you recognize the phrase, 841 00:35:57,638 --> 00:36:00,815 "thou shalt not kill"?[mouthing] 842 00:36:00,859 --> 00:36:02,991 Have you heard that before? 843 00:36:03,035 --> 00:36:04,993 Yes. 844 00:36:05,037 --> 00:36:06,604 Sunday school, right? 845 00:36:06,647 --> 00:36:08,475 Yes. 846 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,129 And did it go through your mind 847 00:36:10,173 --> 00:36:12,827 when your father told you, "Kill or be killed"? 848 00:36:17,615 --> 00:36:19,617 Lucas? 849 00:36:22,272 --> 00:36:24,099 [quietly]: Yes. 850 00:36:24,143 --> 00:36:27,059 That's why you shot that state trooper in the leg 851 00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,496 and not through the head or the heart 852 00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:32,238 like you've been practicing your whole life to do? 853 00:36:32,282 --> 00:36:34,980 [voice breaking]: Yes. 854 00:36:35,023 --> 00:36:36,982 [gallery murmuring] 855 00:36:37,025 --> 00:36:38,244 BENNY: Thank you, Your Honor. 856 00:36:38,288 --> 00:36:39,767 No further questions. 857 00:36:39,811 --> 00:36:42,117 JUDGE: Let's take a 20-minute recess. 858 00:36:48,515 --> 00:36:50,125 Did you bring me in here to gloat? 859 00:36:50,169 --> 00:36:52,171 I brought you in here to see if we could cut a deal. 860 00:36:52,215 --> 00:36:54,260 A deal? 861 00:36:54,304 --> 00:36:56,219 Why would you want to make a deal? 862 00:36:56,262 --> 00:36:58,264 The jury is almost certainly going to vote 863 00:36:58,308 --> 00:36:59,483 to let the boy go free. 864 00:36:59,526 --> 00:37:02,399 Because I'm not necessarily convinced 865 00:37:02,442 --> 00:37:04,314 that that's the best thing for him. 866 00:37:04,357 --> 00:37:06,403 [Bull sighs] 867 00:37:06,446 --> 00:37:09,101 Seemed like you guys were talking for an hour. 868 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:10,233 Where's he going? 869 00:37:10,276 --> 00:37:12,278 To tell the judge the good news. 870 00:37:12,322 --> 00:37:13,758 We're done. 871 00:37:13,801 --> 00:37:15,455 No more jail, no more court. 872 00:37:15,499 --> 00:37:18,241 Yvonne, 873 00:37:18,284 --> 00:37:22,114 the woman you stayed with for three weeks, has agreed 874 00:37:22,157 --> 00:37:25,291 to let you live with her and her family until you're 18. 875 00:37:25,335 --> 00:37:27,293 It's what we call "probation." 876 00:37:27,337 --> 00:37:30,209 It's kind of like a test 877 00:37:30,253 --> 00:37:33,299 to see if you can follow the rules, and... 878 00:37:33,343 --> 00:37:35,170 you don't have any problems. 879 00:37:35,214 --> 00:37:37,564 And the A.D.A. and I would also like you 880 00:37:37,608 --> 00:37:40,915 to see Dr. Statton once a week. 881 00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:42,656 You remember her from the hospital? 882 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:44,049 She introduced us? 883 00:37:44,092 --> 00:37:45,355 She's a good doctor. 884 00:37:45,398 --> 00:37:47,879 A doctor for your feelings. 885 00:37:47,922 --> 00:37:49,968 Someone for you to talk to. 886 00:37:51,317 --> 00:37:52,797 Okay. 887 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,407 That's it? 888 00:37:54,451 --> 00:37:55,930 It's a pretty terrific deal. 889 00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:57,236 Nice work. 890 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,500 I didn't do it. Lucas did. 891 00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:02,807 He got on the stand and told the truth. 892 00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:05,288 But I can't go home? 893 00:38:06,419 --> 00:38:08,247 Not to your old home, no. 894 00:38:10,293 --> 00:38:12,251 It was never really yours. 895 00:38:12,295 --> 00:38:15,515 Your father was a squatter. 896 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,343 A person who lives someplace, 897 00:38:17,387 --> 00:38:20,085 but doesn't really own it. 898 00:38:20,128 --> 00:38:21,695 That's why he was so protective of it. 899 00:38:21,739 --> 00:38:24,872 The guns, the alarms. 900 00:38:24,916 --> 00:38:27,440 He knew he wasn't supposed to be there. 901 00:38:27,484 --> 00:38:29,007 I'm sorry. 902 00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:34,317 [clears throat] The judge agreed. 903 00:38:38,843 --> 00:38:41,193 Does this mean I can go to school now? 904 00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:43,282 I'm sure we can figure something out. 905 00:38:43,326 --> 00:38:45,284 Learn to read? 906 00:38:45,328 --> 00:38:48,374 Oh, I'm sure whatever school you end up at, 907 00:38:48,418 --> 00:38:50,594 they'd love to help you with that. 908 00:38:50,637 --> 00:38:53,901 Hey, you ever been to a restaurant? 909 00:38:53,945 --> 00:38:55,555 What's that? 910 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,385 Well, you ever been to a celebration? 911 00:38:59,429 --> 00:39:00,952 I-I don't know. 912 00:39:00,995 --> 00:39:02,997 What does one look like? 913 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:05,391 Oh, you've got your whole life ahead of you. 914 00:39:05,435 --> 00:39:07,393 [Bull laughs]So much great stuff. 915 00:39:11,658 --> 00:39:13,660 Ask me about work today. 916 00:39:16,359 --> 00:39:18,317 Okay. 917 00:39:18,361 --> 00:39:20,145 How was work today? 918 00:39:20,188 --> 00:39:22,016 We've been working on this case. 919 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:24,410 This kid-- he's, like, 16. 920 00:39:24,454 --> 00:39:27,326 Completely lost the parent lottery. 921 00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:29,328 Up on murder charges. 922 00:39:29,372 --> 00:39:30,764 Mother's a junkie. 923 00:39:30,808 --> 00:39:32,810 Father was a delusional paranoid 924 00:39:32,853 --> 00:39:34,551 who thought the world was coming to an end. 925 00:39:35,595 --> 00:39:37,336 And your point? 926 00:39:38,729 --> 00:39:40,687 It scares me. 927 00:39:40,731 --> 00:39:43,124 His parents 928 00:39:43,168 --> 00:39:44,648 must have been in love once upon a time, 929 00:39:44,691 --> 00:39:46,737 or at the very least, in lust. 930 00:39:47,825 --> 00:39:51,437 This kid was... born a baby. 931 00:39:51,481 --> 00:39:54,353 A cute, beautiful baby. 932 00:39:55,876 --> 00:39:58,313 How did it all go so wrong? 933 00:39:58,357 --> 00:40:00,533 If God is so smart, 934 00:40:00,577 --> 00:40:04,407 why does he or she let people like that have children, 935 00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:06,409 let alone be attracted to each other? 936 00:40:06,452 --> 00:40:09,890 You are so much smarter than that question suggests. 937 00:40:09,934 --> 00:40:11,588 Maybe I'm not. 938 00:40:13,416 --> 00:40:16,854 Maybe I'm not really any of the things I like to think I am. 939 00:40:16,897 --> 00:40:19,291 I mean... 940 00:40:19,334 --> 00:40:21,336 look at my parents. 941 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:24,601 Look at what happened to me. 942 00:40:27,386 --> 00:40:32,347 So this is how we're gonna make this momentous decision. 943 00:40:32,391 --> 00:40:36,221 In the middle of the night, half asleep. 944 00:40:37,744 --> 00:40:39,746 I don't know. 945 00:40:40,747 --> 00:40:42,749 Do you have an opinion? 946 00:40:44,011 --> 00:40:46,013 Actually, I do. 947 00:40:49,713 --> 00:40:53,064 I'm as frightened as you are... of failing. 948 00:40:53,107 --> 00:40:57,329 I'm... terrified 949 00:40:57,372 --> 00:41:00,419 at the prospect of letting another human being down. 950 00:41:02,116 --> 00:41:04,728 But there's also a part of me that thinks it would be scary 951 00:41:04,771 --> 00:41:07,382 and dangerous if I didn't have those fears. 952 00:41:10,211 --> 00:41:12,213 So what are you saying? 953 00:41:14,302 --> 00:41:17,654 I'm saying... 954 00:41:17,697 --> 00:41:21,048 your parents robbed you of so much. 955 00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:24,443 Don't let them rob you of this. 956 00:41:25,618 --> 00:41:27,620 This choice. 957 00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:32,582 If you don't want to have a baby, let's not. 958 00:41:32,625 --> 00:41:36,107 But if you're afraid of having a baby because of your parents... 959 00:41:38,457 --> 00:41:40,546 ....then I'm gonna force you to have a baby 960 00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:41,721 just to prove you wrong. 961 00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:43,723 [laughs] 962 00:41:43,767 --> 00:41:46,160 You and what army? 963 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:48,206 Mm. Come here. 964 00:41:50,208 --> 00:41:52,079 I want to start right now. 965 00:41:52,123 --> 00:41:54,299 You understand this is not how this works. 966 00:41:54,342 --> 00:41:56,823 We go to an office. 967 00:41:56,867 --> 00:41:58,521 We don't do it like this? 968 00:41:58,564 --> 00:41:59,739 Well, they show you porn. 969 00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:02,786 Porn? Really? 970 00:42:02,829 --> 00:42:04,918 Wow. 971 00:42:04,962 --> 00:42:07,225 The things we do for our kids. 972 00:42:07,268 --> 00:42:09,270 [laughs] 973 00:42:21,282 --> 00:42:23,284 Captioning sponsored by CBS 974 00:42:27,288 --> 00:42:29,290 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 70372

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