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Is that all you got?
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I was hoping to trade these
for some coffee beans.
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You hungry?
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Yeah.
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Get some water.
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I'll make lunch.
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[birds chirping]
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[alarm blaring]
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You know what to do, son.
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Yes, sir.
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Remember...
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this is our land.
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It's kill or be killed.
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[alarm continues blaring]
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OFFICER [over bullhorn]:
Mr. Schwieger. State Police.
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I need you to step outside.
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NORMAN: Now.[gunshot]
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[glass breaking]
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[officer shouting outside]
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[gunshot, gun cocking]
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Kill or be killed.[gunshot]
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So where are we going?
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What are we doing?
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And who is this wonder of
wonders I just have to meet?
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What did you call him?
A walking anachronism?
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Lucas Schwieger, 16.
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He never attended school.
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He lives a completely
sheltered existence
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in a cabin with no
electricity or running water
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in the woods above
Sullivan County.
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His father, whom
he lived with,
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described himself as
a radical survivalist.
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He was, as far as I can tell,
the only person
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that Lucas had any
sustained contact with
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during his 16
years of life.
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Wow.
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A caseworker with
Child Protective Services
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heard about him, grew concerned,
came to pay him a visit...
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escorted by
the New York State Police.
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"Father and son opened fire,
killing the caseworker
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"and wounding
the State Police officer,
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who fired back,
killing the father."
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Ballistics indicate that while
Lucas shot the police officer,
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wounding him in the leg,
he didn't actually kill anyone.
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It was the father's gun
that did that.
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Nonetheless, he's being charged
as an adult for murder
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as part of a joint venture.
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Does he even understand
what's going on? The charges?
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That they want him
to stand trial?
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They want to punish him
for what happened?
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He didn't even understand
what an attorney was
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until I explained it to him.[sighs]
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You know, it's not like
he's mentally impaired.
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In fact, in the little time
I've spent with him,
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he seems innately intelligent.
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But his only understanding
of the world
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is what's been taught
to him by his father.
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Well, obviously,
some doctor, somewhere,
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deemed him fit
to stand trial.[buzzer blares]
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You should also know
that Lucas did speak
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to the police
on the record.
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He already admitted
he shot the officer.
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Expressed clear intent.
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Insisted he would
do it again.[door clanks open]
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[door closing]
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[handcuffs clicking]
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He's a friend.
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My name's Dr. Jason Bull.
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Dr. Statton wanted me
to meet you.
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See if I could help you.
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Doctor, huh?
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I'm not sick.
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No. I'm not the doctor
that helps sick people.
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I'm the doctor that helps people
when they get into trouble,
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when they have to go to court.
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Do you know what court is?
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Did Dr. Statton explain
about court to you?
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Let me start over.
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First of all,
I'm sorry about your father.
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They had better guns.
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How about your mom?
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Do you ever see her?
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Is there any way
I could talk to her?
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No.
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She hung herself.
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It was when I was a little kid.
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I'm sorry.
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Lucas...
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...do you understand
you could spend
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the rest of your life
in here, in jail?
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And I'm guessing you don't
want that. Am I right?
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I just want to go home.
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And that's what we want to try
and make happen.
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You all right
with that?
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I guess so.[lock buzzes, clicks]
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All right.
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Let me get back to my office,
get this started.
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I'm sure I'm gonna want
to talk to you some more.
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In the meantime, is there
anything I can bring you?
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Anything you miss?
Maybe some books?
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Well, if you think
of anything.
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[door closes]
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♪
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MARISSA:
This is Lucas Schwieger.
16 years old.
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Charged with murder in the death
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of a New York State
Children's Services caseworker.
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Yeah. We all got Bull's e-mail
about this kid.
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He can't read. Barely speaks.
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Lived with his dad off the grid
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his whole life.
Oh, and let's not forget
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he confessed to the crime.
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DANNY:
So I'll just say it.
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Can we even help this boy?
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We've got the surviving
police officer's testimony.
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Plus the confession.
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And this client
doesn't seem like he's
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in a position to really help
his own defense.
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TAYLOR:
And what kind of narrative?
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What kind of story
can you tell a jury
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that makes it okay to ambush
a caseworker and a trooper?
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MARISSA:
Bull wants to mount
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a defense based on
persuasive coercion.
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Our position will be that,
because of Lucas's sheltered
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and isolated upbringing, he
didn't know what he was doing,
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other than following
the instructions of,
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quite literally, the only person
in his life: his father.
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Norman Schwieger was delusional
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and paranoid and controlling.
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He was convinced
that humankind was on the verge
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of a cataclysmic end and thought
the only way to survive
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was to live a completely
self-sustaining life
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away from the scrutiny
of other human beings.
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And he forced his son
to live the same way...
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cloistered on their
small plot of land,
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which they didn't even
really own,
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which Norman rigged
with trip-wired alarms
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to warn them of any trespassers.
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Okay. I'll ask.
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What is persuasive coercion?
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Basically, Bull wants to argue
for all intents and purposes
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that Lucas's father exercised
a kind of mind control over him.
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Denied the boy a voice
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in any decision-making
of any kind.
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His job was simply to do
what he was told.
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And as a result,
he had no experience choosing
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between right and wrong,
no experience choosing anything.
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The problem is,
it's an affirmative defense.
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Hi. Zero years
of law school here.
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Though I did watch a lot
of Ally McBealback in the '90s.
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So what does that mean?
"Affirmative defense"?
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MARISSA: That means that
going in, we admit
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to what the prosecution
claims he did.
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And now it puts the burden on us
to present evidence
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that will negate
his having done it.
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Basically, yes, he shot
at those people, but no,
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given the circumstances,
it wasn't his fault.
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And how do we make
that argument?
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Is there anyone left to testify?
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With Lucas's father dead,
it leaves us without one witness
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who can tell the jury about the
crazy way that Lucas grew up.
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BENNY:
And based on Bull's e-mails,
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it's highly unlikely
that we'll be able
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to put Lucas himself
on the stand.
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DANNY:
Wait a second.
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Someone saw something,
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because Child
Protective Services
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were sent to this house.
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I know those calls
are confidential,
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but I'll start digging and see
if I can find out who did it.
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You know what the
trick is gonna be?
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Trying to get a jury
to connect with this kid
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despite everything
about his life
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being vastly different
from their own.
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I can't wait to hear
what the big guy has to say.
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[grunts] You ever seen
one of these before?
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It's called a tie.
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It's what men wear when they
want to be taken seriously.
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It hurts. Hurts my neck.
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Well, every man who's ever
put one of these on
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has thought that, but still...
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people have been wearing them
for hundreds of years.
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Went to church once.
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Saw some there.
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So, today... today is all
about picking jurors,
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the people who decide whether
to punish you or not.
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Mr. Colón is gonna be
asking people questions.
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You don't have to do
anything; just sit there.
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Try not to react.
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And don't say a word
unless I tell you to.
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Remember, people are gonna
be looking at you. Okay?
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Trying to figure
out who you are.
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They might make funny faces.
Don't make any back.
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You just sit there,
try to smile.
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It's probably gonna
take the whole day.
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Mr. Colón and I
will do our best
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to get you out of there
as quickly as possible.
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♪
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[gavel raps twice]
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Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.
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Let me ask you all a question.
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How many of you, especially
when you were teenagers,
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had a less than terrific
relationship with your parents?
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You, sir.
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You were at war with
your folks a lot?
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Well, my old man
was a taskmaster.
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Very old-school.
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And I was the kind of kid
who didn't really like rules.
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Got it.
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And all of you pretty much feel
the same way?
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That your parents didn't
necessarily know best?
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Your Honor, the defense
would like to thank
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and excuse jurors number three,
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eight, ten and 12.
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BULL:
We need jurors who see Lucas
was a part of a cult of two.
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Brainwashed to hate like a sort
of Manchurian Candidate.
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And how do we do that?
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We look for people who can be
persuaded to follow a leader.
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They may not understand
the environment Lucas
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was raised in,
but they can relate
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to his need to do as he's told.
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People who are risk averse
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and make middle-of-the-road
decisions.
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So, tell me, sir,
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do you invest in
the stock market?
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I do.
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Do you buy tech stocks,
high-risk investments,
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or are you more of a S&P 500
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kind of investor?
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I actually like to go
with mutual funds.
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Let someone who knows what
they're doing decide for me.
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Play it safe.
Get a steady return.
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Your Honor, the defense finds
this juror acceptable.
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And we have our jury.
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The court is in recess
until tomorrow morning.
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Nice job.
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You did everything
we asked perfectly.
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We had a good day.
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Does that mean
I can go home now?
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No. No.
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I'm sorry, this is...
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gonna take many days.
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Today was a good day
but not the only day.
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Are you going home?
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Yes.
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Is he going home now?
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Yes.
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But not me?
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Not yet.
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♪
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What are we gonna do
about this confession?
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Talk about taking advantage
of someone's limited capacity.
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That's why I hung around--
I wanted to get it
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in front of both of you.It's pretty damning.
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I get the feeling,
if they had asked him
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where Hoffa's body was buried,
he would have told them.
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How about I
file a motion
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to get the confession thrown out
first thing in the morning?
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That's how you get to be
Benjamin Colón.
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Does that mean we're
done for the day?
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I know I am.
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[TV playing indistinctly]
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Are you happy?
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I'm sorry?
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Are you happy?
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I am lying here naked
next to my naked husband,
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watching do-it-yourself bathroom
projects at 8:30 at night.
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I'm euphoric.
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Why?
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[clicks off TV]
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I don't know, uh...
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the mail was piling up,
and I finally got around
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to going through it,
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and there was a thing
from a fertility clinic.
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A bill.
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They wanted to know if they
should keep your eggs frozen
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or just... throw 'em away.
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I didn't even know that
you had frozen some eggs.
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I didn't even
know that you...
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wanted kids.
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I mean...
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I seem to recall
when we first got married
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that we sort of
figured out that...
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we didn't... want them.
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God.
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I so didn't see
this conversation coming.
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I love what we have.
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I love our life
just the way it is.
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But we're paying
to keep your eggs
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in some stranger's Deepfreeze.
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[sighs]:
I know.
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How can I explain this to you?
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After our divorce...
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friends with kids
kept telling me
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that something's
gonna happen,
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that I'd suddenly
want them, too.
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That some switch would flip
and it would be too late,
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and this was something
I needed to plan for.
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And you're right,
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I never had that thing,
that... kid thing,
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but I thought:
"Don't be stupid.
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You don't know how you're
gonna feel in five years."
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So I did it. I...
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just... did it.
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I guess...
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00:14:33,965 --> 00:14:36,271
deep down...
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I wanted to have
the option.
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00:14:41,102 --> 00:14:43,191
So did it happen?
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Did your... switch flip?
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I really don't know.
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How would you feel
if it did?
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I really don't know, either.
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I think...
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I need to give it some
thought before I answer.
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Okay.
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I think I do, too.
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Okay.
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[TV clicks on]
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[program continues indistinctly]
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♪
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So, this morning is just
gonna be about Mr. Colón
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trying to convince
the court to ignore
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what you told the police
when they arrested you.
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The jury's not even
gonna be there.
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Did I say something bad?
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Well, you said you did it,
and you said you'd do it again.
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Should I say
something different?
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BULL:
No. Just...
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do what you did yesterday:
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Don't speak
unless Mr. Colón asks you to.
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Just sit.
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We'll do the rest.
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BENNY:
Your Honor, the defense
would like to file
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a motion to suppress
Lucas Schwieger's statements
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00:16:09,103 --> 00:16:11,062
to the police
at the time of his arrest.
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It's gonna be fine.
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JOSHI:
Your Honor, there are simply
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no grounds for this.
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00:16:15,153 --> 00:16:17,155
The defendant made
a knowing and voluntary
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and intelligent waiver.
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00:16:19,418 --> 00:16:21,681
"A knowing and voluntary
and intelligent waiver."
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00:16:21,724 --> 00:16:23,944
Your Honor, prior to
my client's arrest,
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00:16:23,988 --> 00:16:26,555
he had never even
seen a state trooper
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or a courtroom or, for
that matter, an attorney.
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00:16:29,167 --> 00:16:31,604
He didn't even know
what an attorney was,
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didn't know he had rights
under the law.
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He didn't know anything.
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00:16:35,608 --> 00:16:37,784
Nothing but what
his father told him,
348
00:16:37,827 --> 00:16:39,829
and his father,
who suffered from delusions
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00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:43,442
and paranoia and a host
of other mental illnesses,
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basically told him
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that anyone who was not
one of the two of them
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00:16:47,837 --> 00:16:49,535
was bad and needed to die.
353
00:16:49,578 --> 00:16:51,406
He never said that!
He-he just... he said
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00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:53,669
it was our land,
and we had to kill or be killed!
355
00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:56,324
Lucas.My dad taught me how to carve.
He taught me how to fish.
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00:16:56,368 --> 00:16:58,239
Lucas.He-he taught me how to shoot.
357
00:16:58,283 --> 00:16:59,762
Counselor, control your client.
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00:16:59,806 --> 00:17:03,505
They came on our land.
It was kill or be killed!Lucas.
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00:17:03,549 --> 00:17:04,593
[clears throat]
360
00:17:04,637 --> 00:17:07,161
My apologies, Your Honor.
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00:17:07,205 --> 00:17:09,816
As you can clearly see...
362
00:17:09,859 --> 00:17:11,426
my client is a victim
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of a cruel
and sadistic upbringing,
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one that kept the world
away at all costs.
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00:17:15,996 --> 00:17:18,129
He simply doesn't
know any better.
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00:17:18,172 --> 00:17:20,218
He couldn't possibly
have been expected
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to understand his rights
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or the consequences of speaking
without an attorney present.
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LUCAS:
No, no, no, no, no!
They killed him!
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[gavel banging]They came on our land,
and they killed him!
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00:17:28,139 --> 00:17:29,705
Lucas, stop.We shot at them,
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00:17:29,749 --> 00:17:31,272
but they came on our land!JUDGE: Mr. Schwieger,
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I need you to stay
in your seat[Lucas continues talking]
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00:17:33,579 --> 00:17:35,146
and to refrain from speaking.I didn't do nothing wrong!
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00:17:35,189 --> 00:17:38,105
Officer, return Mr. Schwieger
to holding, please,
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00:17:38,149 --> 00:17:39,585
immediately.
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00:17:41,152 --> 00:17:44,372
It's okay. You need
to go with him.
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00:17:44,416 --> 00:17:46,287
It's gonna be all right.
379
00:17:46,331 --> 00:17:47,941
Let's go.
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00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:49,595
[sighs]
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00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:56,906
[handcuffs clicking]
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00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,607
This is one of those moments
in a judge's life.
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00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:03,130
[door opens]
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00:18:03,174 --> 00:18:04,871
[door closes]
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00:18:04,914 --> 00:18:07,700
So... let's talk law.
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00:18:07,743 --> 00:18:11,617
I certainly see the validity
of your argument, Mr. Colón.
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00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:13,097
"Knowing and voluntary
and intelligent"
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00:18:13,140 --> 00:18:14,968
hardly describes
what went on here.
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00:18:15,011 --> 00:18:17,884
Your motion to suppress
Mr. Schwieger's statement
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00:18:17,927 --> 00:18:20,452
to the police
from evidence is granted.
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00:18:20,495 --> 00:18:22,367
However...
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00:18:22,410 --> 00:18:24,369
I'm not sure the omission
of the statement
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00:18:24,412 --> 00:18:27,807
will matter much to the jury
if you can't rein in
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00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:29,852
your client's behavior.
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00:18:29,896 --> 00:18:31,593
Yes, Your Honor.
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00:18:31,637 --> 00:18:33,726
Thank you, Your Honor.
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00:18:34,944 --> 00:18:37,730
BENNY:
What did we get
ourselves into here?
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00:18:38,774 --> 00:18:40,341
He couldn't even
keep it together
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00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:42,517
for a ten-minute
motion hearing.[phone vibrating]
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00:18:42,561 --> 00:18:44,432
How is he supposed
to make it
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00:18:44,476 --> 00:18:46,652
through eight hours
a day of court?
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00:18:48,958 --> 00:18:50,917
May I ask who's calling?
403
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,745
This is he.
404
00:18:54,312 --> 00:18:55,835
I see.
405
00:18:57,228 --> 00:18:58,925
I see.
406
00:18:58,968 --> 00:19:00,840
No, I'll be right over.
407
00:19:00,883 --> 00:19:03,234
I very much
appreciate the call.
408
00:19:03,277 --> 00:19:04,887
Everything all right?
409
00:19:06,976 --> 00:19:08,978
Lucas is in the hospital.
410
00:19:09,022 --> 00:19:10,980
After he returned
from court today,
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00:19:11,024 --> 00:19:12,982
he tried to hang himself.
412
00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:16,029
[takes deep breath]
413
00:19:26,431 --> 00:19:28,389
Sorry I'm late.
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00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:30,391
What kind of
shape is he in?
415
00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:32,698
Well, at the moment,
he's heavily sedated.
416
00:19:32,741 --> 00:19:34,700
One of the other inmates
heard him choking
417
00:19:34,743 --> 00:19:36,180
and called out
to the guards.
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00:19:36,223 --> 00:19:39,139
They cut him down
and resuscitated him.
419
00:19:39,183 --> 00:19:42,098
The good news is he's
going to be fine.
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00:19:43,535 --> 00:19:45,667
So, anybody venturing a guess
about when he'll be awake,
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00:19:45,711 --> 00:19:47,713
when I can get him
back in court?
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00:19:47,756 --> 00:19:49,628
They're guessing his
sedation wouldn't wear off
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00:19:49,671 --> 00:19:51,282
until midday tomorrow.
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00:19:51,325 --> 00:19:52,283
Oh.
425
00:19:52,326 --> 00:19:53,371
So...
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00:19:53,414 --> 00:19:54,676
what now?
427
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,678
Now we roar into the courtroom
tomorrow morning
428
00:19:56,722 --> 00:19:58,071
before the prosecution
is any wiser,
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00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,552
and Benny files a motion
to try and keep all this
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00:20:00,595 --> 00:20:01,901
from being introduced
into the record.
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00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:04,382
Why? I mean, I'm no lawyer,
432
00:20:04,425 --> 00:20:06,297
but if I'm on the jury,
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00:20:06,340 --> 00:20:07,776
doesn't the
idea that he
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00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:11,215
almost tried to kill himself
make Lucas look...
435
00:20:11,258 --> 00:20:12,564
sympathetic?
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00:20:12,607 --> 00:20:14,348
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
437
00:20:14,392 --> 00:20:16,698
But that's not how
the other side will spin it.
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00:20:16,742 --> 00:20:18,091
They will claim it is proof
439
00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:20,267
Lucas felt guilty
about what he did,
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00:20:20,311 --> 00:20:22,704
that he knows he did something
he shouldn't have,
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00:20:22,748 --> 00:20:25,403
and since we're telling the jury
the exact opposite--
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00:20:25,446 --> 00:20:26,969
that he didn't know
the difference
443
00:20:27,013 --> 00:20:28,536
between right and wrong--
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00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:30,103
the trial would
effectively be over
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00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:32,671
before we ever called a witness.
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00:20:33,802 --> 00:20:35,761
BENNY:
That the suicide attempt is
447
00:20:35,804 --> 00:20:37,719
somehow connected to
this caseworker's death
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00:20:37,763 --> 00:20:39,547
is pure speculation.
449
00:20:39,591 --> 00:20:41,636
I mean, look at everything this
young man has been through.
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00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,072
He watched
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00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:45,814
as his father was shot to death
right in front of him.
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00:20:45,858 --> 00:20:46,815
He's been pulled away
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00:20:46,859 --> 00:20:48,643
from the only home
he's ever known.
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00:20:48,687 --> 00:20:51,559
He's spent this last week
either in a-a courtroom
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00:20:51,603 --> 00:20:53,039
or a jail cell.
456
00:20:53,082 --> 00:20:55,302
If we are going to hypothesize,
457
00:20:55,346 --> 00:20:56,912
shouldn't we say
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00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:59,872
that maybe depression is the
cause of... of this behavior?
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00:20:59,915 --> 00:21:01,700
Your Honor,
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00:21:01,743 --> 00:21:03,745
Dr. Jason Bull.
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00:21:03,789 --> 00:21:05,704
I'm part of the defense team
and a doctor of psychology.
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00:21:05,747 --> 00:21:08,097
I know who you are, Dr. Bull.
463
00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:09,577
Well,
in my professional opinion,
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00:21:09,621 --> 00:21:11,536
it's likely that this child
tried to kill himself
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00:21:11,579 --> 00:21:15,061
because the only man he knew,
the only man he trusted,
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00:21:15,104 --> 00:21:17,368
his father,
was being referred to
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00:21:17,411 --> 00:21:20,806
as the person most responsible
for his own death
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00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:22,721
and his son's incarceration.
469
00:21:22,764 --> 00:21:25,550
Now, this man was the boy's God.
His North Star.
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00:21:25,593 --> 00:21:28,640
Everything he knew about life
he learned from this man,
471
00:21:28,683 --> 00:21:31,338
and to hear that he could be
so profoundly wrong
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00:21:31,382 --> 00:21:33,340
had to be cataclysmic for him
473
00:21:33,384 --> 00:21:36,735
and was surely reason enough
for him to consider
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00:21:36,778 --> 00:21:39,303
taking his own life.
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00:21:41,348 --> 00:21:43,872
I'm not sure what I believe
the boy was thinking.
476
00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:46,788
Respectfully,
that's for the jury to decide.
477
00:21:46,832 --> 00:21:48,790
And they won't get to
decide if we withhold
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00:21:48,834 --> 00:21:51,489
the defendant's suicide
attempt from them.
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00:21:51,532 --> 00:21:53,491
[sighs]
480
00:21:53,534 --> 00:21:55,493
I agree with the defense,
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00:21:55,536 --> 00:21:58,322
and I find
the prejudicial impact
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00:21:58,365 --> 00:22:01,325
outweighs the probative value.
483
00:22:01,368 --> 00:22:04,589
The attempted suicide will not
be allowed into evidence.
484
00:22:04,632 --> 00:22:06,460
When will the defendant
485
00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:08,288
be available
so that the trial can resume?
486
00:22:08,332 --> 00:22:10,464
We will get you the answer
to that question
487
00:22:10,508 --> 00:22:12,466
as soon as possible, Your Honor.
488
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,643
WOMAN:
I am so sorry.
489
00:22:15,687 --> 00:22:18,342
It's amazing what he can
do in a split second.
490
00:22:18,385 --> 00:22:19,734
It's fine.
491
00:22:19,778 --> 00:22:21,214
BOY:
Here, Mommy.
492
00:22:24,739 --> 00:22:25,871
How old is he?
493
00:22:25,914 --> 00:22:27,307
22 months.
494
00:22:27,351 --> 00:22:29,222
[chuckles] Uh, almost two.
495
00:22:29,265 --> 00:22:31,355
Two years since I've had
a full night's sleep.
496
00:22:31,398 --> 00:22:32,747
Two years since
I've read a book.
497
00:22:32,791 --> 00:22:33,922
Two years since I've
been to the gym.
498
00:22:33,966 --> 00:22:35,402
You have kids?
499
00:22:36,751 --> 00:22:37,839
Yeah, I can tell.
500
00:22:37,883 --> 00:22:39,493
You lack frazzle.
501
00:22:41,321 --> 00:22:42,931
Bye.
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00:22:46,892 --> 00:22:48,850
DANNY:
Well, turns out
the nearest neighbors
503
00:22:48,894 --> 00:22:50,939
are almost a quarter mile away.
504
00:22:50,983 --> 00:22:52,114
They seemed to know that
there was a teenager
505
00:22:52,158 --> 00:22:53,551
and an old man
living near them,
506
00:22:53,594 --> 00:22:55,553
but they said that they'd
sometimes hear gunfire,
507
00:22:55,596 --> 00:22:56,728
so they kept their distance.
508
00:22:56,771 --> 00:22:58,686
BULL:
Maybe there's someone
509
00:22:58,730 --> 00:23:00,427
from their past.
510
00:23:00,471 --> 00:23:02,864
He told me his mother
hung herself when he was little.
511
00:23:02,908 --> 00:23:04,736
I'll bet that's where
he got the idea.
512
00:23:04,779 --> 00:23:06,738
How horrible.BULL:
Maybe there's someone
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00:23:06,781 --> 00:23:08,870
who knew her, who was friends
with her before she...
514
00:23:08,914 --> 00:23:10,568
BENNY: That
would be great.
515
00:23:10,611 --> 00:23:13,092
Someone we could
get to testify
516
00:23:13,135 --> 00:23:15,573
to how Lucas had a
normal life at one time
517
00:23:15,616 --> 00:23:18,271
and a completely isolated
one once the mother passed.
518
00:23:19,315 --> 00:23:21,013
I know it drives
the kid crazy,
519
00:23:21,056 --> 00:23:22,580
but we have to keep
hammering away
520
00:23:22,623 --> 00:23:24,146
at what a lunatic
the father was.
521
00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:26,758
What about the person who called
Child Protective Services?
522
00:23:26,801 --> 00:23:27,933
There's a reason why
523
00:23:27,976 --> 00:23:29,804
these folks went out
to take a look.
524
00:23:29,848 --> 00:23:31,458
Someone had to have
called in a complaint.
525
00:23:31,502 --> 00:23:33,634
Yep. A woman named
Yvonne Fowler.
526
00:23:33,678 --> 00:23:35,114
She won't take my calls,
527
00:23:35,157 --> 00:23:36,594
and she doesn't answer the door
when I visit her house,
528
00:23:36,637 --> 00:23:38,900
but I haven't given up.
529
00:23:38,944 --> 00:23:40,336
Well, I'm about to.
I'm exhausted.
530
00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:42,426
Court's back in session
first thing in the morning.
531
00:23:42,469 --> 00:23:44,123
You don't have
to tell me twice.
532
00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:47,996
[computer beeping]
533
00:23:49,650 --> 00:23:52,610
TAYLOR:
My son is obsessed with
sending me poop emojis.
534
00:23:52,653 --> 00:23:54,394
I wonder if it means something.
535
00:23:54,438 --> 00:23:56,265
You are always on duty,
aren't you?
536
00:23:56,309 --> 00:23:57,963
On duty?
537
00:23:58,006 --> 00:24:00,008
That's a joke, right?
538
00:24:01,836 --> 00:24:03,795
Hey, let me ask you something.
539
00:24:03,838 --> 00:24:06,014
How'd you know
you wanted to have kids?
540
00:24:06,058 --> 00:24:07,799
Was it something...
541
00:24:07,842 --> 00:24:09,714
you just felt in your soul,
542
00:24:09,757 --> 00:24:12,368
or did you just sense
it was the right time?
543
00:24:12,412 --> 00:24:14,893
Neither. It was more like
a three-martini night,
544
00:24:14,936 --> 00:24:16,764
and nine months later
we needed a crib.
545
00:24:16,808 --> 00:24:18,679
[chuckles softly]I mean,
546
00:24:18,723 --> 00:24:19,854
it wasn't planned,
547
00:24:19,898 --> 00:24:22,814
but wouldn't trade it
for anything.
548
00:24:22,857 --> 00:24:24,380
You getting an itch?
549
00:24:25,425 --> 00:24:27,514
Not even a tickle.
550
00:24:27,558 --> 00:24:29,516
Greg?
551
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,518
He wants what I want.
552
00:24:31,562 --> 00:24:33,172
At least, that's what he says.
553
00:24:33,215 --> 00:24:35,348
And you don't know
what you want.
554
00:24:35,391 --> 00:24:37,350
No.
555
00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:39,134
I envy you.
556
00:24:39,178 --> 00:24:40,832
[chuckles]:
Really? Why?
557
00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:43,138
It feels terrible
from in here.
558
00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:46,446
Because no matter what happens,
no matter what you do,
559
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:48,666
it's gonna be wonderful.
560
00:24:50,668 --> 00:24:52,017
You're either gonna get
what you want,
561
00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:54,410
or you're gonna...
get what you want.
562
00:24:56,369 --> 00:24:58,327
[elevator bell chimes]
563
00:24:58,371 --> 00:25:02,027
The people would like to call
Yvonne Fowler to the stand.
564
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:03,463
MARISSA:
Yvonne Fowler?
565
00:25:03,507 --> 00:25:06,031
Isn't she the one Danny said
called in the complaint
566
00:25:06,074 --> 00:25:07,293
to Child Services?
567
00:25:07,336 --> 00:25:09,730
Looks like she took
the prosecution's call.
568
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:13,212
[whispers]:
I know her.
569
00:25:13,255 --> 00:25:14,735
JOSHI:
Ms. Fowler,
570
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,433
could you please tell the
court how you came to meet
571
00:25:17,477 --> 00:25:19,044
Lucas Schwieger?
572
00:25:19,087 --> 00:25:22,482
I'm a nurse
at St. Benjamin's Hospital,
573
00:25:22,526 --> 00:25:25,877
which is about five miles from
where Norman and Lucas lived.
574
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,444
A few months ago,
Norman showed up
575
00:25:28,488 --> 00:25:30,621
in the middle of the night
at the hospital with Lucas.
576
00:25:30,664 --> 00:25:34,059
Norman had walking pneumonia.
577
00:25:34,102 --> 00:25:35,626
Once we got Norman checked in,
578
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:38,106
I realized
Lucas had nowhere to go.
579
00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:40,674
So I brought him
home with me,
580
00:25:40,718 --> 00:25:44,156
thinking it would just be
for a day or so.
581
00:25:44,199 --> 00:25:46,985
But one day turned into two,
two turned into a week,
582
00:25:47,028 --> 00:25:51,032
and Lucas ended up staying
with us for three weeks.
583
00:25:51,076 --> 00:25:52,643
And when you say "us"?Oh.
584
00:25:52,686 --> 00:25:54,122
My husband and two children.
585
00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:56,560
Boys. Seven and nine.
586
00:25:56,603 --> 00:25:58,736
So, when the defense
claims Mr. Schwieger
587
00:25:58,779 --> 00:26:01,782
spent his whole
life in isolation,
588
00:26:01,826 --> 00:26:03,262
that simply isn't true, is it?
589
00:26:03,305 --> 00:26:05,264
I don't know anything
about his whole life.
590
00:26:05,307 --> 00:26:06,918
Well, but you can
categorically state
591
00:26:06,961 --> 00:26:08,354
that he lived with you?
592
00:26:08,397 --> 00:26:11,009
Had running water,
home-cooked meals,
593
00:26:11,052 --> 00:26:14,099
slept in a warm bed for a period
594
00:26:14,142 --> 00:26:16,449
of three weeks?
595
00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:17,972
Yes, he did.
596
00:26:18,016 --> 00:26:19,583
Now, you're very
active in your church,
597
00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:21,062
aren't you, Ms. Fowler?
598
00:26:21,106 --> 00:26:22,368
Our whole family is.
599
00:26:22,411 --> 00:26:24,022
I teach Sunday school.
600
00:26:24,065 --> 00:26:27,416
During the three weeks
Lucas lived with you,
601
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:29,027
did you ever take
him to church?
602
00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:30,419
Every Sunday.
603
00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:33,205
He said he'd never stepped
inside a church before,
604
00:26:33,248 --> 00:26:35,990
and he seemed to like it.
605
00:26:36,034 --> 00:26:39,167
The singing,
the shaking hands, the sermon.
606
00:26:39,211 --> 00:26:41,039
My boys showed him how
607
00:26:41,082 --> 00:26:43,607
to put money
in the plate.
608
00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:45,043
Hard to know
if this is good or bad
609
00:26:45,086 --> 00:26:46,479
for our side.
610
00:26:46,522 --> 00:26:48,568
Anything that suggests
Lucas knew right from wrong
611
00:26:48,612 --> 00:26:50,178
is not a help.JOSHI:
So, I'm curious.
612
00:26:50,222 --> 00:26:52,833
Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger
with you to Sunday school?
613
00:26:52,877 --> 00:26:53,965
Yes, I did once.
614
00:26:54,008 --> 00:26:55,183
Could you tell the
court what lessons
615
00:26:55,227 --> 00:26:56,707
were being taught that Sunday?
616
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:59,144
We talked
about the Ten Commandments.
617
00:26:59,187 --> 00:27:01,842
And that particular week
was the fifth commandment:
618
00:27:01,886 --> 00:27:04,410
thou shalt not kill.
619
00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:06,368
[gallery murmuring]
620
00:27:07,456 --> 00:27:08,762
BULL:
Jury's slipping away.
621
00:27:08,806 --> 00:27:10,329
They're starting to sense
622
00:27:10,372 --> 00:27:11,896
that he's seen
enough of the world
623
00:27:11,939 --> 00:27:13,506
to know the difference
between right and wrong.
624
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:14,725
You don't just shoot people
625
00:27:14,768 --> 00:27:16,422
when they show up in
front of your house.
626
00:27:16,465 --> 00:27:18,206
So, how'd it go in there?
627
00:27:19,251 --> 00:27:21,079
We've had better days.
628
00:27:21,122 --> 00:27:22,646
You still interested in making
the father the villain?
629
00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:25,910
I'm not sure it much matters
to the jury at this point.
630
00:27:25,953 --> 00:27:27,825
Maybe that's because
they haven't heard
631
00:27:27,868 --> 00:27:29,914
the really bad stuff.Really bad stuff? Like what?
632
00:27:29,957 --> 00:27:31,872
Like, how about
telling a child his whole life
633
00:27:31,916 --> 00:27:35,136
that his mother is dead
when she's actually alive.
634
00:27:42,361 --> 00:27:43,492
WOMAN:
You good if I smoke?
635
00:27:43,536 --> 00:27:44,580
[match lights]
636
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,978
Anybody thirsty?
637
00:27:51,022 --> 00:27:53,546
We're fine. We just wanted
to ask you a few questions
638
00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:56,549
about your ex-husband, Norman,
and your son, Lucas.
639
00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,291
Oh, well, I mean,
I'll tell you everything I know.
640
00:28:00,335 --> 00:28:02,381
Did you know that Norman died?
641
00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:04,818
Shot by a state trooper.
642
00:28:04,862 --> 00:28:08,430
And that your son, Lucas,
is on trial for murder?
643
00:28:08,474 --> 00:28:09,867
[snorts]
644
00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:11,869
No, I didn't know that.
645
00:28:11,912 --> 00:28:14,045
You aware that your son
thinks you're dead?
646
00:28:14,088 --> 00:28:16,090
Well, I'm not surprised.
647
00:28:16,134 --> 00:28:17,701
You ever meet his father?
648
00:28:17,744 --> 00:28:18,876
Never had the pleasure.
649
00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:20,225
What can you tell
me about him?
650
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:23,315
Uh, he's crazy.
651
00:28:23,358 --> 00:28:24,751
I just finally said,
652
00:28:24,795 --> 00:28:27,406
"I'm gonna take Lucas
and leave."
653
00:28:27,449 --> 00:28:29,103
And how'd Norman
feel about that?
654
00:28:29,147 --> 00:28:31,236
Oh, that night
I woke up
655
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,368
and find Norman on top of me
with a pistol in my mouth.
656
00:28:33,412 --> 00:28:35,414
And he said if I ever tried
to take the boy,
657
00:28:35,457 --> 00:28:37,416
he was gonna kill both of us.
658
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:39,679
How old was Lucas?
659
00:28:39,723 --> 00:28:42,160
He'd just turned three.
660
00:28:42,203 --> 00:28:45,380
So, that night,
the second he fell asleep,
661
00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,513
I was out the window.
662
00:28:47,556 --> 00:28:49,558
I didn't even kiss
my baby good-bye.
663
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:53,127
I know it's been a long time,
664
00:28:53,171 --> 00:28:54,738
but we need your
son's jury to hear
665
00:28:54,781 --> 00:28:56,740
what it was like to
live with that man,
666
00:28:56,783 --> 00:28:59,873
to hear the story
you just told us.
667
00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:01,657
Yeah, I don't think so.
668
00:29:01,701 --> 00:29:03,398
I got a really busy schedule.
669
00:29:04,443 --> 00:29:06,706
You have a drug problem,
Mrs. Schwieger?
670
00:29:06,750 --> 00:29:08,316
It's not a problem for me.
671
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,927
Okay, I'm gonna step outside.
672
00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:11,363
She's gonna stay
in here with you.
673
00:29:11,406 --> 00:29:13,278
I want you to put on
the closest thing you have
674
00:29:13,321 --> 00:29:14,496
to a decent dress,
675
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:16,107
and then we are going
to the courthouse.
676
00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:18,326
And don't try going
out the window.
677
00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:20,372
She's ex-FBI.
678
00:29:24,245 --> 00:29:25,769
She could be anybody.
679
00:29:25,812 --> 00:29:27,074
But she isn't.
680
00:29:27,118 --> 00:29:29,207
Can I smoke?
No.
681
00:29:31,209 --> 00:29:33,167
She's gonna tell the jury
682
00:29:33,211 --> 00:29:35,213
what life was like with
your father before she left.
683
00:29:35,256 --> 00:29:36,605
And you're not gonna like
hearing it,
684
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:39,130
but I need you to promise
that you will not react.
685
00:29:39,173 --> 00:29:41,523
No noises. No faces.
686
00:29:41,567 --> 00:29:44,570
No standing. No talking.
687
00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:48,356
Don't worry, I
won't do nothing.
688
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:53,318
I don't even know her.
689
00:29:53,361 --> 00:29:55,320
BRENDA:
He knocked me around
690
00:29:55,363 --> 00:29:57,235
all the time.
691
00:29:57,278 --> 00:29:58,845
Wouldn't let us go out.
692
00:29:58,889 --> 00:30:00,629
He didn't trust anyone.
693
00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:03,197
Objection, Your Honor.
What does any of this have to do
694
00:30:03,241 --> 00:30:05,199
with whether or not Lucas
Schwieger shot a police officer?
695
00:30:05,243 --> 00:30:07,114
BENNY:
If it pleases the court,
696
00:30:07,158 --> 00:30:09,247
in order to understand
what happened
697
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:11,423
the day of the shooting,
we have to understand
698
00:30:11,466 --> 00:30:13,773
what kind of environment
Lucas came from.
699
00:30:13,817 --> 00:30:15,644
Overruled.
700
00:30:15,688 --> 00:30:17,342
BENNY:
Now, you were saying...
701
00:30:17,385 --> 00:30:19,648
He just got stranger
and stranger.
702
00:30:19,692 --> 00:30:23,217
He-he stopped letting me
leave the cabin at all.
703
00:30:23,261 --> 00:30:25,829
He... he rigged up alarms
704
00:30:25,872 --> 00:30:27,569
so that he would know
if somebody came and went.
705
00:30:27,613 --> 00:30:29,180
He said that
the government
706
00:30:29,223 --> 00:30:30,703
was watching him
from satellites.
707
00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:32,487
From space?
708
00:30:32,531 --> 00:30:36,056
Yeah. Sometimes at
night he'd go outside,
709
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:37,884
and-and he'd scream at them.
710
00:30:37,928 --> 00:30:39,146
He'd shoot his guns
up in the air.
711
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:41,235
I mean, I was scared
all the time.
712
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,715
It was no way to live.
713
00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:45,892
And it probably wasn't any
better for Lucas, either.
714
00:30:45,936 --> 00:30:48,329
Thank you. No further questions,
Your Honor.
715
00:30:48,373 --> 00:30:50,288
MARISSA:
Well, that made an impact.
716
00:30:50,331 --> 00:30:52,203
No reds have flipped green,
but I can see
717
00:30:52,246 --> 00:30:54,683
that their attitudes
about Lucas are in flux.
718
00:30:54,727 --> 00:30:58,122
For the first time,
they're sympathizing with him.
719
00:30:59,688 --> 00:31:02,256
Let's take a moment
and talk about your past.
720
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:03,475
Are you
721
00:31:03,518 --> 00:31:04,606
the same Brenda Schwieger
722
00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:07,087
who was convicted
of forging checks?
723
00:31:07,131 --> 00:31:10,351
Sentenced
to court-appointed rehab twice?
724
00:31:10,395 --> 00:31:12,919
Hasn't had a full-time
job in almost 20 years?
725
00:31:12,963 --> 00:31:14,616
And you expect this jury
726
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:16,009
to believe anything
you have to say?
727
00:31:16,053 --> 00:31:17,228
You got me.
728
00:31:17,271 --> 00:31:18,925
I don't even want to be here.
729
00:31:18,969 --> 00:31:21,362
I just was told that I had to.
730
00:31:21,406 --> 00:31:23,016
But I'll tell you this.
731
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:25,801
My husband ruined me.
732
00:31:25,845 --> 00:31:29,196
I used to be a human being.
733
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,286
So whatever kind of person
Lucas has become,
734
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:35,942
trust me, it's because
his father got him there.
735
00:31:35,986 --> 00:31:38,379
If my little baby
has become a killer,
736
00:31:38,423 --> 00:31:40,816
it's because his father
turned him into one.
737
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:50,870
BENNY:
She was good.
738
00:31:50,914 --> 00:31:52,741
You think it was enough?
739
00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:54,830
No.
740
00:31:54,874 --> 00:31:56,223
But I have an idea.
741
00:31:56,267 --> 00:31:58,225
DANNY:
So these are of
742
00:31:58,269 --> 00:32:00,358
the inside of the cabin.
743
00:32:00,401 --> 00:32:01,620
As you can see,
it's pretty spartan.
744
00:32:01,663 --> 00:32:02,926
BULL:
You can use
these to show
745
00:32:02,969 --> 00:32:05,058
the jury how little stimulation
was available.
746
00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:08,105
No books, no
radio, no TV.
747
00:32:08,148 --> 00:32:10,672
Obviously,
no computers.
748
00:32:10,716 --> 00:32:13,284
And most importantly,
no outlets for learning.
749
00:32:13,327 --> 00:32:16,548
All right, so these are
the air horns and the trip wires
750
00:32:16,591 --> 00:32:18,202
Norman installed
around the property
751
00:32:18,245 --> 00:32:19,768
to ward
against intruders.
752
00:32:19,812 --> 00:32:20,987
BENNY:
Got it.
753
00:32:21,031 --> 00:32:22,858
Helps demonstrate the paranoia.
754
00:32:22,902 --> 00:32:25,078
Fear of outsiders,
the isolation.
755
00:32:25,122 --> 00:32:26,210
Ready for the
next series?
756
00:32:26,253 --> 00:32:28,342
Fire when ready.
757
00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:34,348
What are we looking at here?
758
00:32:34,392 --> 00:32:36,350
DANNY:
It's a homemade
target range.
759
00:32:36,394 --> 00:32:38,874
Metal head
and torso silhouettes.
760
00:32:38,918 --> 00:32:40,833
By the way,
the police dusted all of this.
761
00:32:40,876 --> 00:32:42,487
The guns, the targets.
762
00:32:42,530 --> 00:32:45,403
Lucas's fingerprints
were everywhere.
763
00:32:45,446 --> 00:32:47,274
His father's? Norman's?
764
00:32:47,318 --> 00:32:49,668
Not so much.
765
00:32:50,712 --> 00:32:52,453
Wow.
766
00:32:52,497 --> 00:32:53,977
All those bull's-eyes.
767
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:56,327
One on top of the other.
Looks like
768
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:57,589
Lucas was quite the shot.
769
00:32:57,632 --> 00:32:59,721
How far away would you say
the targets were
770
00:32:59,765 --> 00:33:02,115
from the stand where Lucas
would have been shooting from?
771
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:04,335
Had to be at least 50 yards.BENNY:
I'm not sure
772
00:33:04,378 --> 00:33:07,294
we really want the jury looking
at this target range.
773
00:33:07,338 --> 00:33:09,427
I mean, it's kind of horrific.
774
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:11,646
Kind of like looking
at a murderer's training ground.
775
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:13,997
Actually, I disagree.
776
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,390
I think this is exactly
what the jury needs to see.
777
00:33:16,434 --> 00:33:19,219
Okay. Well, how are we
gonna get all this in?
778
00:33:19,263 --> 00:33:20,481
Who's on the stand?
779
00:33:20,525 --> 00:33:22,309
Can't just stand up
in front of a court
780
00:33:22,353 --> 00:33:24,311
and show photos
without any context.
781
00:33:24,355 --> 00:33:26,313
We need somebody
to authenticate them,
782
00:33:26,357 --> 00:33:28,576
to say that this is really
where Lucas lived,
783
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:30,491
that this is really
what it looked like.
784
00:33:30,535 --> 00:33:32,537
Who are we gonna
get to do that?
785
00:33:35,235 --> 00:33:37,498
I was thinking... Lucas.
786
00:33:46,507 --> 00:33:47,639
Good morning, Lucas.
787
00:33:47,682 --> 00:33:49,728
First time
in a witness box?
788
00:33:49,771 --> 00:33:51,947
Yes.
789
00:33:51,991 --> 00:33:55,429
Well, you know
how this works, right?
790
00:33:55,473 --> 00:33:58,519
They made you raise your
right hand a moment ago, and
791
00:33:58,563 --> 00:33:59,955
you promised
to tell the truth.
792
00:33:59,999 --> 00:34:01,131
You understand that,
don't you?
793
00:34:01,174 --> 00:34:03,133
Yes.
794
00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:04,743
All right.
795
00:34:04,786 --> 00:34:07,528
Now... [clears throat]
796
00:34:07,572 --> 00:34:09,965
Does this picture...?
797
00:34:10,009 --> 00:34:12,838
Does this look
familiar to you?
798
00:34:12,881 --> 00:34:14,840
Does it look
like a place you know?
799
00:34:14,883 --> 00:34:16,842
Yes.
800
00:34:16,885 --> 00:34:18,670
It's behind my house.
801
00:34:18,713 --> 00:34:21,107
BENNY:
It's a target range.
802
00:34:21,151 --> 00:34:23,370
Right? A place where...
803
00:34:23,414 --> 00:34:25,590
people practice shooting guns?
804
00:34:25,633 --> 00:34:27,635
Yes.
805
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,159
You shoot there a lot?
806
00:34:29,202 --> 00:34:31,117
Pretty much almost every day.
807
00:34:31,161 --> 00:34:32,901
BENNY:
All right.
808
00:34:32,945 --> 00:34:36,253
Now how far was that target
from where you shot?
809
00:34:37,254 --> 00:34:38,820
Uh, I-I don't get you.
810
00:34:38,864 --> 00:34:42,346
How many steps? I mean,
if you had to take a guess.
811
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:44,348
Um...
812
00:34:44,391 --> 00:34:46,567
at least a hundred.
813
00:34:46,611 --> 00:34:48,003
Okay.
814
00:34:48,047 --> 00:34:51,094
And how far away from the house
was the state trooper
815
00:34:51,137 --> 00:34:53,661
and the lady
he brought with him?
816
00:34:53,705 --> 00:34:55,663
The one your dad shot?
817
00:34:55,707 --> 00:34:57,665
Maybe...
818
00:34:57,709 --> 00:34:59,928
20 steps.
819
00:34:59,972 --> 00:35:01,321
Never really counted.
820
00:35:01,365 --> 00:35:03,410
Objection. Relevance?
821
00:35:03,454 --> 00:35:06,892
If the court would just indulge
me for a moment more, please?
822
00:35:06,935 --> 00:35:08,067
Overruled.
823
00:35:08,111 --> 00:35:10,113
Thank you, Your Honor.
824
00:35:10,156 --> 00:35:13,116
Do you recognize
this picture?
825
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,379
That's what I shoot at.
826
00:35:15,422 --> 00:35:17,032
BENNY:
So these are your bullet holes?
827
00:35:17,076 --> 00:35:18,251
LUCAS:
I'm the only one
828
00:35:18,295 --> 00:35:19,513
who shoots there.
829
00:35:19,557 --> 00:35:21,428
Huh.
830
00:35:21,472 --> 00:35:26,172
So if you shoot at these targets
pretty much every day,
831
00:35:26,216 --> 00:35:29,915
and they're at least
a hundred feet away,
832
00:35:29,958 --> 00:35:32,265
why'd you shoot
that state trooper in the leg?
833
00:35:32,309 --> 00:35:34,137
[gallery murmuring]
834
00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:42,319
The witness will answer
the question.Oh, that's all right.
835
00:35:42,362 --> 00:35:44,364
I'll rephrase.
836
00:35:44,408 --> 00:35:47,411
Didn't your father tell you,
"It's kill or be killed"?
837
00:35:49,978 --> 00:35:52,111
JUDGE:
Again,
838
00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:53,373
the witness will answer
the question.
839
00:35:53,417 --> 00:35:55,201
I'll withdraw the question.
Let me ask another.
840
00:35:55,245 --> 00:35:57,595
Do you recognize the phrase,
841
00:35:57,638 --> 00:36:00,815
"thou shalt not kill"?[mouthing]
842
00:36:00,859 --> 00:36:02,991
Have you heard that before?
843
00:36:03,035 --> 00:36:04,993
Yes.
844
00:36:05,037 --> 00:36:06,604
Sunday school, right?
845
00:36:06,647 --> 00:36:08,475
Yes.
846
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,129
And did it go
through your mind
847
00:36:10,173 --> 00:36:12,827
when your father told you,
"Kill or be killed"?
848
00:36:17,615 --> 00:36:19,617
Lucas?
849
00:36:22,272 --> 00:36:24,099
[quietly]:
Yes.
850
00:36:24,143 --> 00:36:27,059
That's why you shot
that state trooper in the leg
851
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,496
and not through
the head or the heart
852
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:32,238
like you've been practicing
your whole life to do?
853
00:36:32,282 --> 00:36:34,980
[voice breaking]:
Yes.
854
00:36:35,023 --> 00:36:36,982
[gallery murmuring]
855
00:36:37,025 --> 00:36:38,244
BENNY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
856
00:36:38,288 --> 00:36:39,767
No further questions.
857
00:36:39,811 --> 00:36:42,117
JUDGE:
Let's take a
20-minute recess.
858
00:36:48,515 --> 00:36:50,125
Did you bring me in here
to gloat?
859
00:36:50,169 --> 00:36:52,171
I brought you in here
to see if we could cut a deal.
860
00:36:52,215 --> 00:36:54,260
A deal?
861
00:36:54,304 --> 00:36:56,219
Why would you want
to make a deal?
862
00:36:56,262 --> 00:36:58,264
The jury is almost
certainly going to vote
863
00:36:58,308 --> 00:36:59,483
to let the boy go free.
864
00:36:59,526 --> 00:37:02,399
Because I'm not
necessarily convinced
865
00:37:02,442 --> 00:37:04,314
that that's
the best thing for him.
866
00:37:04,357 --> 00:37:06,403
[Bull sighs]
867
00:37:06,446 --> 00:37:09,101
Seemed like you guys
were talking for an hour.
868
00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:10,233
Where's he going?
869
00:37:10,276 --> 00:37:12,278
To tell the judge
the good news.
870
00:37:12,322 --> 00:37:13,758
We're done.
871
00:37:13,801 --> 00:37:15,455
No more jail,
no more court.
872
00:37:15,499 --> 00:37:18,241
Yvonne,
873
00:37:18,284 --> 00:37:22,114
the woman you stayed with
for three weeks, has agreed
874
00:37:22,157 --> 00:37:25,291
to let you live with her and
her family until you're 18.
875
00:37:25,335 --> 00:37:27,293
It's what we
call "probation."
876
00:37:27,337 --> 00:37:30,209
It's kind of like a test
877
00:37:30,253 --> 00:37:33,299
to see if you can
follow the rules, and...
878
00:37:33,343 --> 00:37:35,170
you don't have
any problems.
879
00:37:35,214 --> 00:37:37,564
And the A.D.A. and I
would also like you
880
00:37:37,608 --> 00:37:40,915
to see Dr. Statton
once a week.
881
00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:42,656
You remember her
from the hospital?
882
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:44,049
She introduced us?
883
00:37:44,092 --> 00:37:45,355
She's a good doctor.
884
00:37:45,398 --> 00:37:47,879
A doctor for
your feelings.
885
00:37:47,922 --> 00:37:49,968
Someone for you
to talk to.
886
00:37:51,317 --> 00:37:52,797
Okay.
887
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,407
That's it?
888
00:37:54,451 --> 00:37:55,930
It's a pretty terrific deal.
889
00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:57,236
Nice work.
890
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,500
I didn't do it.
Lucas did.
891
00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:02,807
He got on the stand
and told the truth.
892
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:05,288
But I can't go home?
893
00:38:06,419 --> 00:38:08,247
Not to your old home, no.
894
00:38:10,293 --> 00:38:12,251
It was never really yours.
895
00:38:12,295 --> 00:38:15,515
Your father
was a squatter.
896
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,343
A person who
lives someplace,
897
00:38:17,387 --> 00:38:20,085
but doesn't
really own it.
898
00:38:20,128 --> 00:38:21,695
That's why he was
so protective of it.
899
00:38:21,739 --> 00:38:24,872
The guns, the alarms.
900
00:38:24,916 --> 00:38:27,440
He knew he wasn't
supposed to be there.
901
00:38:27,484 --> 00:38:29,007
I'm sorry.
902
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:34,317
[clears throat]
The judge agreed.
903
00:38:38,843 --> 00:38:41,193
Does this mean
I can go to school now?
904
00:38:41,236 --> 00:38:43,282
I'm sure we can
figure something out.
905
00:38:43,326 --> 00:38:45,284
Learn to read?
906
00:38:45,328 --> 00:38:48,374
Oh, I'm sure
whatever school you end up at,
907
00:38:48,418 --> 00:38:50,594
they'd love
to help you with that.
908
00:38:50,637 --> 00:38:53,901
Hey, you ever been
to a restaurant?
909
00:38:53,945 --> 00:38:55,555
What's that?
910
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,385
Well, you ever been
to a celebration?
911
00:38:59,429 --> 00:39:00,952
I-I don't know.
912
00:39:00,995 --> 00:39:02,997
What does one look like?
913
00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:05,391
Oh, you've got your whole life
ahead of you.
914
00:39:05,435 --> 00:39:07,393
[Bull laughs]So much great stuff.
915
00:39:11,658 --> 00:39:13,660
Ask me about work today.
916
00:39:16,359 --> 00:39:18,317
Okay.
917
00:39:18,361 --> 00:39:20,145
How was work today?
918
00:39:20,188 --> 00:39:22,016
We've been working on this case.
919
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:24,410
This kid-- he's, like, 16.
920
00:39:24,454 --> 00:39:27,326
Completely lost
the parent lottery.
921
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:29,328
Up on murder charges.
922
00:39:29,372 --> 00:39:30,764
Mother's a junkie.
923
00:39:30,808 --> 00:39:32,810
Father was a delusional paranoid
924
00:39:32,853 --> 00:39:34,551
who thought
the world was coming to an end.
925
00:39:35,595 --> 00:39:37,336
And your point?
926
00:39:38,729 --> 00:39:40,687
It scares me.
927
00:39:40,731 --> 00:39:43,124
His parents
928
00:39:43,168 --> 00:39:44,648
must have been in love
once upon a time,
929
00:39:44,691 --> 00:39:46,737
or at the very least, in lust.
930
00:39:47,825 --> 00:39:51,437
This kid was... born a baby.
931
00:39:51,481 --> 00:39:54,353
A cute, beautiful baby.
932
00:39:55,876 --> 00:39:58,313
How did it all go so wrong?
933
00:39:58,357 --> 00:40:00,533
If God is so smart,
934
00:40:00,577 --> 00:40:04,407
why does he or she let people
like that have children,
935
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:06,409
let alone be attracted
to each other?
936
00:40:06,452 --> 00:40:09,890
You are so much smarter
than that question suggests.
937
00:40:09,934 --> 00:40:11,588
Maybe I'm not.
938
00:40:13,416 --> 00:40:16,854
Maybe I'm not really any of
the things I like to think I am.
939
00:40:16,897 --> 00:40:19,291
I mean...
940
00:40:19,334 --> 00:40:21,336
look at my parents.
941
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:24,601
Look at what happened to me.
942
00:40:27,386 --> 00:40:32,347
So this is how we're gonna
make this momentous decision.
943
00:40:32,391 --> 00:40:36,221
In the middle of the
night, half asleep.
944
00:40:37,744 --> 00:40:39,746
I don't know.
945
00:40:40,747 --> 00:40:42,749
Do you have an opinion?
946
00:40:44,011 --> 00:40:46,013
Actually, I do.
947
00:40:49,713 --> 00:40:53,064
I'm as frightened as
you are... of failing.
948
00:40:53,107 --> 00:40:57,329
I'm... terrified
949
00:40:57,372 --> 00:41:00,419
at the prospect of letting
another human being down.
950
00:41:02,116 --> 00:41:04,728
But there's also a part of me
that thinks it would be scary
951
00:41:04,771 --> 00:41:07,382
and dangerous if I
didn't have those fears.
952
00:41:10,211 --> 00:41:12,213
So what are you saying?
953
00:41:14,302 --> 00:41:17,654
I'm saying...
954
00:41:17,697 --> 00:41:21,048
your parents robbed
you of so much.
955
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:24,443
Don't let them
rob you of this.
956
00:41:25,618 --> 00:41:27,620
This choice.
957
00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:32,582
If you don't want to
have a baby, let's not.
958
00:41:32,625 --> 00:41:36,107
But if you're afraid of having a
baby because of your parents...
959
00:41:38,457 --> 00:41:40,546
....then I'm gonna
force you to have a baby
960
00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:41,721
just to prove you wrong.
961
00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:43,723
[laughs]
962
00:41:43,767 --> 00:41:46,160
You and what army?
963
00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:48,206
Mm. Come here.
964
00:41:50,208 --> 00:41:52,079
I want to start
right now.
965
00:41:52,123 --> 00:41:54,299
You understand
this is not how this works.
966
00:41:54,342 --> 00:41:56,823
We go to an office.
967
00:41:56,867 --> 00:41:58,521
We don't do
it like this?
968
00:41:58,564 --> 00:41:59,739
Well, they show you porn.
969
00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:02,786
Porn? Really?
970
00:42:02,829 --> 00:42:04,918
Wow.
971
00:42:04,962 --> 00:42:07,225
The things we do
for our kids.
972
00:42:07,268 --> 00:42:09,270
[laughs]
973
00:42:21,282 --> 00:42:23,284
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00:42:27,288 --> 00:42:29,290
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