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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,275 --> 00:00:11,190 MAN: There's another one, 2 00:00:11,233 --> 00:00:14,193 down by the spa. 3 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:54,972 You asked me how to get ahead at the firm. 4 00:00:55,016 --> 00:00:56,583 That's how you do it. 5 00:00:56,626 --> 00:01:00,021 What about merit? W-What about hard work? 6 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,025 Let me explain something to you. 7 00:01:04,069 --> 00:01:05,853 For you to rise in the ranks, 8 00:01:05,896 --> 00:01:07,637 someone has to make room for you. 9 00:01:07,681 --> 00:01:08,943 They have to give up something, 10 00:01:08,986 --> 00:01:13,034 maybe a raise or part of a bonus. 11 00:01:13,078 --> 00:01:15,515 Now why is someone going to be giving up something 12 00:01:15,558 --> 00:01:18,083 unless they get something? 13 00:01:22,522 --> 00:01:25,481 Oh, geez. It's behind you, corner of the bar. 14 00:02:00,212 --> 00:02:04,433 M.E. HENSON: January 5th, 9:40 p.m. 15 00:02:04,477 --> 00:02:05,956 Postmortem examination. 16 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,482 External search: Negative. Internal trunk exploration: 17 00:02:09,525 --> 00:02:11,658 Negative. 18 00:02:11,701 --> 00:02:15,052 Forensic evidence discovered: None. 19 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:19,448 How is that possible? 20 00:02:19,492 --> 00:02:20,971 Excuse me? 21 00:02:21,015 --> 00:02:23,583 This man's killed four women in a year and a half. 22 00:02:23,626 --> 00:02:26,151 How is it he can hide in women's bathrooms, 23 00:02:26,194 --> 00:02:28,414 chloroform his victims, undress them, 24 00:02:28,457 --> 00:02:30,720 undress himself, have sex with them, 25 00:02:30,764 --> 00:02:32,157 strangle them to death, 26 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,376 and still not leave one bit of forensic evidence? 27 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:36,987 Not one drop of semen? Not one fleck of skin? 28 00:02:37,031 --> 00:02:39,468 Listen, I know you're new here, but, uh, Dr....? 29 00:02:39,512 --> 00:02:41,470 Martin. Julia Martin. 30 00:02:41,514 --> 00:02:43,124 We're talking public bathrooms. 31 00:02:43,168 --> 00:02:45,735 They're a convention center of forensic evidence. 32 00:02:45,779 --> 00:02:47,868 The victims' bodies, that's another story. 33 00:02:47,911 --> 00:02:49,870 That's how we'll get him. 34 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:55,136 PETER: Dr. Martin, you're still here? 35 00:02:55,180 --> 00:02:57,878 I'd like to take another look at Emily Baker's body. 36 00:02:57,921 --> 00:03:00,489 Eh, kind of late. Everyone's gone. 37 00:03:00,533 --> 00:03:02,535 That's okay. I'll be fine. 38 00:03:02,578 --> 00:03:05,190 I'll put everything back the way I found it. 39 00:03:09,063 --> 00:03:11,239 HOLLOWAY: We're obviously thrilled that this afternoon, 40 00:03:11,283 --> 00:03:13,763 a jury of his peers convicted John Malford, 41 00:03:13,807 --> 00:03:16,549 otherwise known as the "Bathroom Stall Butcher," 42 00:03:16,592 --> 00:03:18,768 for the murder of young Emily Baker. 43 00:03:18,812 --> 00:03:21,815 Special thanks to the New York City Medical Examiner's Office, 44 00:03:21,858 --> 00:03:24,600 in particular to Julia Martin, 45 00:03:24,644 --> 00:03:27,037 whose tireless work led to the discovery of the pivotal piece 46 00:03:27,081 --> 00:03:29,562 of evidence against John Malford. 47 00:03:32,826 --> 00:03:36,046 Hi. Welcome to Billy's. 48 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:39,485 If you're gonna be a successful attorney in Manhattan, 49 00:03:39,528 --> 00:03:41,487 this is a place you need to know about. 50 00:03:41,530 --> 00:03:43,706 Oh, I didn't even know there was a Billy's. 51 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:48,624 Well, consider tonight as a part of your legal education.Thanks. 52 00:03:48,668 --> 00:03:51,453 As a matter of fact, FDR used to settle cases 53 00:03:51,497 --> 00:03:52,715 at that table right there 54 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,630 in the back.Oh, I don't care about all that. 55 00:03:54,674 --> 00:03:56,458 Show me where the Benny Colón booth is. 56 00:03:56,502 --> 00:03:58,634 No, this ain't Dunkin' Donuts. 57 00:03:58,678 --> 00:04:00,549 Why don't you find us a table. 58 00:04:00,593 --> 00:04:02,986 I'll grab us some drinks. 59 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:05,119 STELLA: Benjamin Colón. 60 00:04:05,162 --> 00:04:06,294 Stella! 61 00:04:06,338 --> 00:04:08,514 And Ryan. 62 00:04:08,557 --> 00:04:10,559 Wow... 63 00:04:10,603 --> 00:04:11,865 What is the occasion? 64 00:04:11,908 --> 00:04:13,562 You two look like a pair of breathalyzer tests 65 00:04:13,606 --> 00:04:14,781 waiting to happen. 66 00:04:14,824 --> 00:04:16,783 Well, truth is I have a pretty good shot 67 00:04:16,826 --> 00:04:18,393 at getting a client out of prison. 68 00:04:18,437 --> 00:04:20,003 Guy was put away for life, so... 69 00:04:20,047 --> 00:04:22,876 So what'd you do? You bake him a cake with a hacksaw in it? 70 00:04:26,009 --> 00:04:27,750 One better. Ah. 71 00:04:27,794 --> 00:04:29,883 I discovered the evidence that got him convicted 72 00:04:29,926 --> 00:04:31,406 may have been tampered with. 73 00:04:31,450 --> 00:04:32,755 Seriously?Yeah. 74 00:04:32,799 --> 00:04:34,583 By, uh, the police, or...? 75 00:04:34,627 --> 00:04:35,889 Medical Examiner's Office. 76 00:04:35,932 --> 00:04:37,543 Yeah. I petitioned to have 77 00:04:37,586 --> 00:04:40,241 a client's DNA evidence retested 78 00:04:40,285 --> 00:04:43,200 and it came back-- no match, not even close. 79 00:04:43,244 --> 00:04:45,290 Well, who's the medical examiner? 80 00:04:45,333 --> 00:04:47,814 You know Julia Martin? 81 00:04:47,857 --> 00:04:50,556 No, no, no, no. That must be a mistake. 82 00:04:50,599 --> 00:04:52,645 She was picked up this morning. 83 00:04:52,688 --> 00:04:54,690 D.A.'s office thinks it was intentional. 84 00:04:54,734 --> 00:04:56,736 Who is your client? 85 00:04:56,779 --> 00:05:00,566 Remember the "Bathroom Stall Butcher," John Malford? 86 00:05:00,609 --> 00:05:03,960 BULL: I hate trolling for cases. 87 00:05:04,004 --> 00:05:05,658 I like to be asked. 88 00:05:05,701 --> 00:05:07,486 I like to be the one who can say no. 89 00:05:07,529 --> 00:05:10,880 We are not trolling. We are offering our services. 90 00:05:10,924 --> 00:05:14,493 And trust me, so is every other A-list criminal firm in town. 91 00:05:14,536 --> 00:05:16,538 I mean, this is Julia Martin. 92 00:05:16,582 --> 00:05:19,541 Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York. 93 00:05:19,585 --> 00:05:22,631 These are the kinds of cases that get the town talking. 94 00:05:22,675 --> 00:05:26,679 Plus, I know her. There's no way she'd tamper with evidence. 95 00:05:26,722 --> 00:05:28,507 Well, obviously the D.A. doesn't agree with you 96 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:29,856 or he wouldn't have arrested her. 97 00:05:29,899 --> 00:05:31,553 Plus, I know she has a big title, 98 00:05:31,597 --> 00:05:34,382 but at the end of the day she's just a civil servant. 99 00:05:34,426 --> 00:05:36,166 What are you trying to say? 100 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:38,038 Well, is this another pro bono situation? 101 00:05:38,081 --> 00:05:41,607 Because, frankly, I've become such a pro at bono, 102 00:05:41,650 --> 00:05:44,784 I'm getting ready to start my own Irish rock band. 103 00:05:47,177 --> 00:05:50,659 You wake up in the morning and you go over in your head 104 00:05:50,703 --> 00:05:53,358 all those hundreds of things that you have to do this week. 105 00:05:53,401 --> 00:05:58,145 It just doesn't occur to you that you might get arrested. 106 00:05:58,188 --> 00:06:00,756 You might spend your first night in jail. 107 00:06:03,498 --> 00:06:06,414 I'm the Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York. 108 00:06:06,458 --> 00:06:08,068 We want to help you, Julia. 109 00:06:08,111 --> 00:06:11,593 You know I can't afford to pay top-shelf guys like you. 110 00:06:11,637 --> 00:06:12,594 We'll be fine. 111 00:06:12,638 --> 00:06:14,640 Will I be? 112 00:06:14,683 --> 00:06:17,425 I also can't afford for you to do a half-assed job 113 00:06:17,469 --> 00:06:20,036 because you're just in it for the free press. 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,430 Keep in mind the best press for everyone 115 00:06:22,474 --> 00:06:24,040 is about your ultimate acquittal. 116 00:06:24,084 --> 00:06:25,825 You keep that in mind. 117 00:06:28,871 --> 00:06:33,267 All right then, I guess it's the two of you. 118 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:34,573 Lucky us. 119 00:06:34,616 --> 00:06:37,489 So here's what I know. Six years ago, 120 00:06:37,532 --> 00:06:39,839 when I found that hair in the back of a woman's throat, 121 00:06:39,882 --> 00:06:43,669 it was a perfect match to John Malford's hair, perfect. 122 00:06:43,712 --> 00:06:47,412 100%. I still have the evidence that says so, 123 00:06:47,455 --> 00:06:51,067 so I'm not clear exactly why we're here. 124 00:06:51,111 --> 00:06:52,765 The problem is Malford's attorney 125 00:06:52,808 --> 00:06:54,723 was running out of appeals, 126 00:06:54,767 --> 00:06:57,204 so he decided to throw a Hail Mary 127 00:06:57,247 --> 00:06:59,989 and petitioned for a new analysis of the hair, 128 00:07:00,033 --> 00:07:03,166 an outside analysis of the hair. 129 00:07:03,210 --> 00:07:06,605 And when an outside lab tested it, it came back negative. 130 00:07:06,648 --> 00:07:08,345 And after they popped their champagne, 131 00:07:08,389 --> 00:07:11,740 they sent it to three more labs, and it also came back negative. 132 00:07:11,784 --> 00:07:13,786 It didn't match Malford's hair at all. 133 00:07:13,829 --> 00:07:15,831 That's not plausible. 134 00:07:15,875 --> 00:07:19,618 Someone switched the hairs, or they tested the wrong hair. 135 00:07:19,661 --> 00:07:21,533 Julia, it's completely plausible. 136 00:07:21,576 --> 00:07:23,970 You don't have to agree with it, but it's certainly plausible. 137 00:07:24,013 --> 00:07:25,406 No. You're wrong. It isn't. 138 00:07:27,364 --> 00:07:29,802 There's no circumstance under which I would ever 139 00:07:29,845 --> 00:07:31,978 tamper with evidence in any case. 140 00:07:32,021 --> 00:07:33,675 Everyone knows this about me. 141 00:07:33,719 --> 00:07:36,635 No. Everyone does not. 142 00:07:36,678 --> 00:07:39,507 Think about it. 143 00:07:39,551 --> 00:07:42,728 You performed the examination sometime after midnight. 144 00:07:42,771 --> 00:07:44,686 You were alone in the autopsy room, 145 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:46,775 and lack of plausibility is not the argument 146 00:07:46,819 --> 00:07:48,473 that's gonna win the case for you. 147 00:07:48,516 --> 00:07:51,954 Okay. You know that it was a pubic hair. 148 00:07:51,998 --> 00:07:53,739 Right? It was a man's pubic hair. 149 00:07:53,782 --> 00:07:57,656 I found it in the deepest recesses of her esophagus. 150 00:07:57,699 --> 00:08:01,790 So let's say that I am going to plant a hair. 151 00:08:01,834 --> 00:08:04,184 Where would I have gotten a male pubic hair from? 152 00:08:04,227 --> 00:08:07,230 Oh, come on. Those can't be that hard to come by in the morgue. 153 00:08:07,274 --> 00:08:09,102 Is it possible you made a mistake? 154 00:08:09,145 --> 00:08:11,452 Excuse me?I mean, maybe 155 00:08:11,496 --> 00:08:13,672 you thought you found evidence 156 00:08:13,715 --> 00:08:15,891 that was relevant to the case, but it wasn't. 157 00:08:15,935 --> 00:08:17,719 Emily might've 158 00:08:17,763 --> 00:08:20,113 indulged in oral sex with someone else, 159 00:08:20,156 --> 00:08:22,985 consensual contact. You did an autopsy. 160 00:08:23,029 --> 00:08:26,119 You found this hair. It was a mistake. 161 00:08:26,162 --> 00:08:30,471 No, that's not possible. I ran every test that there was. 162 00:08:30,515 --> 00:08:32,908 I ran every test myself. That was his hair. 163 00:08:32,952 --> 00:08:34,127 Keep in mind, 164 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:36,433 if it was truly a mistake, 165 00:08:36,477 --> 00:08:38,827 then there is no criminal intent. 166 00:08:38,871 --> 00:08:42,744 If there is no criminal intent, then there's no crime. 167 00:08:42,788 --> 00:08:45,225 Mistakes. Everybody makes them. 168 00:08:47,270 --> 00:08:51,274 So you're telling me, if I say that I made a mistake, 169 00:08:51,318 --> 00:08:52,885 the charges might be withdrawn? 170 00:08:52,928 --> 00:08:55,148 Well, it's certainly something I'd like to take to the D.A. 171 00:08:55,191 --> 00:08:57,237 I can't imagine that they would want to go forward 172 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,499 with this trial. 173 00:09:01,154 --> 00:09:03,896 I can't.You can't what? 174 00:09:03,939 --> 00:09:05,158 I can't say that 175 00:09:05,201 --> 00:09:07,595 because I don't make mistakes, 176 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:09,815 not when it comes to forensic science. 177 00:09:09,858 --> 00:09:14,515 Does that change anything for the two of you? 178 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:21,696 Just makes the job harder, but we didn't take up the offer 179 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:23,959 because we thought it was gonna be easy. 180 00:09:24,003 --> 00:09:28,224 We told you we wanted to defend you, and we mean it. 181 00:09:29,748 --> 00:09:31,793 So what's the plan? 182 00:09:31,837 --> 00:09:33,360 Well, to get you out on bail, for starters. 183 00:09:33,403 --> 00:09:35,188 I'll talk to the D.A. in the morning, get a lay 184 00:09:35,231 --> 00:09:37,494 of the land and see what they think they have on you. 185 00:09:37,538 --> 00:09:38,800 Dr. Martin. 186 00:09:40,454 --> 00:09:42,935 Julia. 187 00:09:47,896 --> 00:09:48,810 Thank you. 188 00:09:50,856 --> 00:09:53,989 Did you say...Thank you. 189 00:09:54,033 --> 00:09:55,774 You're welcome. 190 00:10:07,655 --> 00:10:09,657 The truth is you know she couldn't have done this. 191 00:10:09,701 --> 00:10:12,442 She'd rather cut off her own arm than give you a false report. 192 00:10:12,486 --> 00:10:13,922 And yet, she did. 193 00:10:13,966 --> 00:10:16,490 You think I'm looking to take down a medical examiner? 194 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,100 We work with them every day. 195 00:10:18,144 --> 00:10:20,015 I've had these results checked and rechecked 196 00:10:20,059 --> 00:10:22,801 with four different labs. She screwed up, 197 00:10:22,844 --> 00:10:24,324 which makes all of us look bad. 198 00:10:24,367 --> 00:10:26,065 Have you actually considered the repercussions of this? 199 00:10:26,108 --> 00:10:27,414 You convict the Chief 200 00:10:27,457 --> 00:10:29,459 Medical Examiner for the City of New York, 201 00:10:29,503 --> 00:10:31,766 and you are handing a "get out of jail free" card 202 00:10:31,810 --> 00:10:33,507 to everyone you've ever put behind bars. 203 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:37,119 You will have a mile-long line of attorneys out your door 204 00:10:37,163 --> 00:10:38,947 claiming that their clients were falsely convicted. 205 00:10:38,991 --> 00:10:40,166 Is that what you want? 206 00:10:42,211 --> 00:10:44,170 Your discovery packet. 207 00:10:44,213 --> 00:10:45,954 Assuming you're still gonna want the case 208 00:10:45,998 --> 00:10:47,434 once you see what's in there. 209 00:10:47,477 --> 00:10:48,914 Okay, what's in there? 210 00:10:48,957 --> 00:10:52,526 Julia's first examination of Emily Baker's corpse, 211 00:10:52,569 --> 00:10:54,136 she came up with nothing. 212 00:10:54,180 --> 00:10:57,270 Okay, so she found the evidence the second time through. 213 00:10:57,313 --> 00:10:58,706 And that's fine, 214 00:10:58,750 --> 00:11:01,013 except she completely deleted the first report. 215 00:11:01,056 --> 00:11:02,710 The one where she came up empty, 216 00:11:02,754 --> 00:11:05,974 just plucked it out of the system like it never happened. 217 00:11:06,018 --> 00:11:07,628 That's a big no-no. 218 00:11:07,672 --> 00:11:09,195 Okay. 219 00:11:09,238 --> 00:11:12,415 You know it's a breach of protocol to delete any reports. 220 00:11:12,459 --> 00:11:14,940 Even ones that are later replaced by updated results, 221 00:11:14,983 --> 00:11:16,593 and you know why. 222 00:11:16,637 --> 00:11:20,641 Because it can be construed as consciousness of guilt. 223 00:11:22,338 --> 00:11:24,123 Julia's the best there is. 224 00:11:24,166 --> 00:11:27,953 Do you think she'd accidentally forget protocol? 225 00:11:27,996 --> 00:11:30,346 She couldn't find any evidence on the dead girl, 226 00:11:30,390 --> 00:11:32,740 she decided to take matters into her own hands 227 00:11:32,784 --> 00:11:34,220 and create some. 228 00:11:38,006 --> 00:11:40,661 Oh, here's the bail agreement. 229 00:11:40,705 --> 00:11:42,228 Is she on her way?Already here. 230 00:11:42,271 --> 00:11:44,534 She and Benny are waiting in your office. 231 00:11:44,578 --> 00:11:48,364 Assistant District Attorney Williams is not your friend. 232 00:11:48,408 --> 00:11:50,149 I never said that he was. 233 00:11:50,192 --> 00:11:53,021 He's claiming you destroyed an official autopsy report. 234 00:11:54,675 --> 00:11:57,634 Did you write an official report stating that you didn't find 235 00:11:57,678 --> 00:12:00,812 any physical evidence after your examination of Emily Baker 236 00:12:00,855 --> 00:12:03,858 and then delete that report from the official citywide records? 237 00:12:03,902 --> 00:12:05,425 Yes. 238 00:12:05,468 --> 00:12:07,253 It was... 239 00:12:07,296 --> 00:12:08,820 years ago. I mean... 240 00:12:08,863 --> 00:12:11,126 You have to know how bad that's gonna look to a jury. 241 00:12:11,170 --> 00:12:12,780 That first report was useless. 242 00:12:12,824 --> 00:12:15,261 It only said that I didn't find anything. 243 00:12:15,304 --> 00:12:16,828 Yes, but in a court of law, 244 00:12:16,871 --> 00:12:20,005 it's going to look like a prior inconsistent statement. 245 00:12:20,048 --> 00:12:22,790 You weren't supposed to delete it. 246 00:12:22,834 --> 00:12:26,272 You were supposed to keep it and turn it over in discovery. 247 00:12:26,315 --> 00:12:27,882 No, I wasn't gonna do that. 248 00:12:27,926 --> 00:12:29,884 Malford's lawyers would've just used it 249 00:12:29,928 --> 00:12:33,932 to-to call in to question the evidence that I did find. 250 00:12:33,975 --> 00:12:35,368 I know how these people operate. 251 00:12:35,411 --> 00:12:39,676 Julia, that first report is still evidence. 252 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,461 You can't just destroy evidence 253 00:12:41,504 --> 00:12:43,071 because it doesn't suit your needs. 254 00:12:43,115 --> 00:12:46,858 Okay, technically, that first report was about an absence 255 00:12:46,901 --> 00:12:49,469 of evidence, which isn't really evidence. 256 00:12:49,512 --> 00:12:51,036 Okay, all right. 257 00:12:51,079 --> 00:12:53,603 The bottom line is, and-and I know 258 00:12:53,647 --> 00:12:56,041 you couldn't see the future from where you were standing, 259 00:12:56,084 --> 00:12:58,347 you didn't do yourself any favors. 260 00:12:58,391 --> 00:13:01,960 The D.A.'s office is gonna say that you intentionally deleted 261 00:13:02,003 --> 00:13:04,614 that report to make it easier for you 262 00:13:04,658 --> 00:13:06,051 to intentionally plant the evidence. 263 00:13:06,094 --> 00:13:07,879 But that isn't what actually happened. 264 00:13:07,922 --> 00:13:10,098 Even if it looks like that's what happened. 265 00:13:10,142 --> 00:13:12,492 It really boils down to this: either you made a mistake, 266 00:13:12,535 --> 00:13:15,495 or someone, quite possibly you, is guilty of malfeasance. 267 00:13:15,538 --> 00:13:18,106 BENNY: Well, Danny's already looking into malfeasance. 268 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:21,631 She's trying to find anyone with the means and motive 269 00:13:21,675 --> 00:13:22,981 to have switched out the hairs. 270 00:13:23,024 --> 00:13:26,854 Which in the meantime leaves us with: mistake. 271 00:13:26,898 --> 00:13:28,856 As I've already explained to you, 272 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:31,424 I don't make those kinds of mistakes. 273 00:13:31,467 --> 00:13:33,295 Well, then someone else did. 274 00:13:34,906 --> 00:13:36,821 In either event, we need to follow chain of custody. 275 00:13:36,864 --> 00:13:40,825 I need to know everyone who had access to that hair. 276 00:13:40,868 --> 00:13:42,914 Julia, can you talk to my investigator, 277 00:13:42,957 --> 00:13:45,917 talk to her about how evidence is catalogued and stored, 278 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,788 who had access, how they get access? 279 00:13:47,832 --> 00:13:49,398 Of course.Excellent. 280 00:13:49,442 --> 00:13:52,967 Well, then, Mr. Colón and I will see you in court 281 00:13:53,011 --> 00:13:55,013 later this afternoon. 282 00:13:56,666 --> 00:13:58,494 Everything all right? 283 00:13:58,538 --> 00:14:00,540 I guess. 284 00:14:00,583 --> 00:14:03,891 I just realized I don't know where to go. 285 00:14:03,935 --> 00:14:06,676 And what to do until court. 286 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,766 You know, my first instinct is to rush back to the morgue 287 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:13,379 and then I remembered that I can't. 288 00:14:19,689 --> 00:14:21,691 Not to worry. 289 00:14:23,955 --> 00:14:25,913 It is gonna be tough to find jurors 290 00:14:25,957 --> 00:14:27,262 who aren't put off by our client. 291 00:14:27,306 --> 00:14:28,916 Mm. 292 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,877 Maybe we should look for people who only see the best in others. 293 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,054 Actually, I was thinking just the opposite. 294 00:14:36,097 --> 00:14:39,100 What? People who only see the worst? 295 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:41,146 You ever heard of Hanlon's razor? 296 00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:42,190 No. 297 00:14:42,234 --> 00:14:43,844 "Never attribute to malice 298 00:14:43,888 --> 00:14:46,673 that which is adequately explained by stupidity." 299 00:14:46,716 --> 00:14:49,284 We need people who will look at this situation 300 00:14:49,328 --> 00:14:53,114 Julia's gotten into and think, "This isn't some big conspiracy. 301 00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:56,117 This is probably just someone's stupid mistake." 302 00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:58,119 Good afternoon. 303 00:14:58,163 --> 00:15:02,210 So let's say you send an e-mail to your boss 304 00:15:02,254 --> 00:15:03,908 asking him for time off. 305 00:15:03,951 --> 00:15:06,649 A day goes by and he doesn't respond. 306 00:15:06,693 --> 00:15:08,042 What do you make of that? 307 00:15:08,086 --> 00:15:09,870 He's busy. 308 00:15:09,914 --> 00:15:11,480 I like her. Tell me why I shouldn't. 309 00:15:11,524 --> 00:15:13,221 MARISSA: Jennifer Thomas, single mom, 310 00:15:13,265 --> 00:15:17,051 43 years old, two kids and you are going to hate this: 311 00:15:17,095 --> 00:15:20,141 she works at an insurance company as a claims manager. 312 00:15:23,101 --> 00:15:25,059 Can I pick 'em or can I pick 'em? 313 00:15:25,103 --> 00:15:28,410 Probably spends her days looking at inflated insurance claims. 314 00:15:28,454 --> 00:15:30,978 She's the very definition of what we don't want. 315 00:15:31,022 --> 00:15:32,719 We'd like to thank and excuse this juror, Your Honor. 316 00:15:35,461 --> 00:15:37,419 Personally? 317 00:15:37,463 --> 00:15:40,161 I hate it when people don't respond to my e-mails. 318 00:15:40,205 --> 00:15:41,771 Why is that? 319 00:15:41,815 --> 00:15:44,949 Well, they're trying to tell me that I don't matter. 320 00:15:46,341 --> 00:15:48,300 I guess I figured he didn't get the e-mail, 321 00:15:48,343 --> 00:15:50,476 or maybe he deleted it by accident. 322 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:53,479 Because anyone can make an honest mistake, right? 323 00:15:53,522 --> 00:15:54,741 Sure. 324 00:15:57,048 --> 00:15:59,398 This juror's acceptable to the defense, Your Honor. 325 00:15:59,441 --> 00:16:03,010 Then, ladies and gentlemen, we have our jury. 326 00:16:03,054 --> 00:16:05,012 Trial will commence tomorrow morning. 327 00:16:05,056 --> 00:16:06,231 Court is adjourned. 328 00:16:08,276 --> 00:16:10,365 This thing that you're doing, it's not gonna work. 329 00:16:10,409 --> 00:16:13,238 I didn't make a mistake. I don't make mistakes. 330 00:16:13,281 --> 00:16:16,154 You're making one now. 331 00:16:16,197 --> 00:16:18,504 DANNY: So you were the lab tech on the Malford autopsies? 332 00:16:18,547 --> 00:16:20,158 It made my career. Julia's, too. 333 00:16:20,201 --> 00:16:22,334 I hear she's a tough boss. 334 00:16:22,377 --> 00:16:24,510 She's a little uptight. 335 00:16:24,553 --> 00:16:26,860 But honestly, that's what you need around here. 336 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:28,035 And who handled the evidence 337 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:29,210 besides Julia? 338 00:16:29,254 --> 00:16:30,646 No one. 339 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:32,300 Really? 340 00:16:32,344 --> 00:16:35,216 Julia insisted on doing it all herself. 341 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,044 All of it? 342 00:16:37,088 --> 00:16:39,046 She was certified to test DNA? 343 00:16:39,090 --> 00:16:42,267 She's kind of a control freak. 344 00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:46,097 So she put the hair in the bag, tested it, sealed it, 345 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:48,316 signed it into the storage locker all by herself? 346 00:16:49,883 --> 00:16:51,406 WILLIAMS: Dr. Henson, 347 00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:53,669 you were the defendant's supervisor 348 00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:55,323 during the Malford investigation. 349 00:16:55,367 --> 00:16:58,065 There was a team of us working on it, 350 00:16:58,109 --> 00:17:00,415 looking for something of forensic value. 351 00:17:00,459 --> 00:17:02,591 And you didn't find anything, did you? 352 00:17:02,635 --> 00:17:04,028 No. 353 00:17:04,071 --> 00:17:06,247 But then, something happened. 354 00:17:06,291 --> 00:17:10,512 Dr. Martin stayed on after we completed the autopsy. 355 00:17:10,556 --> 00:17:12,993 A few hours later, she notified me, 356 00:17:13,037 --> 00:17:15,126 said she found a hair. 357 00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:17,215 We were all stunned. 358 00:17:17,258 --> 00:17:18,694 Why? 359 00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:21,741 Well, we had searched every inch of the victim's body. 360 00:17:21,784 --> 00:17:23,830 But you were pleased.Of course. 361 00:17:23,873 --> 00:17:25,310 We all wanted to put an end 362 00:17:25,353 --> 00:17:28,226 to this horrible string of sexual attacks and murders. 363 00:17:28,269 --> 00:17:31,229 So you were proud of Dr. Martin? 364 00:17:31,272 --> 00:17:34,232 I was proud of our unit. 365 00:17:35,450 --> 00:17:38,018 I sense some hesitation on your behalf 366 00:17:38,062 --> 00:17:40,020 with regard to Dr. Martin. 367 00:17:40,064 --> 00:17:43,328 She has always been very diligent. 368 00:17:43,371 --> 00:17:44,720 Very determined. 369 00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:48,985 But frankly, she was very hard on people. 370 00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:51,249 She could be quite arrogant. 371 00:17:53,512 --> 00:17:55,166 Thank you. 372 00:17:55,209 --> 00:17:56,689 Nothing further. 373 00:18:01,172 --> 00:18:03,565 Good morning, Dr. Henson. 374 00:18:03,609 --> 00:18:05,524 I just need you 375 00:18:05,567 --> 00:18:07,526 to clear something up. 376 00:18:07,569 --> 00:18:09,441 You know, in the whole time that you ran 377 00:18:09,484 --> 00:18:13,880 the medical examiner's office, you never once did complain 378 00:18:13,923 --> 00:18:17,101 about my client's job performance, did you? 379 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:19,668 Not in any performance review, 380 00:18:19,712 --> 00:18:22,410 not even casually, in a face-to-face with her, say, 381 00:18:22,454 --> 00:18:24,238 in your office? 382 00:18:24,282 --> 00:18:25,457 No. 383 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,763 And isn't it true that she replaced you? 384 00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:30,810 That she went from being your subordinate to your supervisor? 385 00:18:30,853 --> 00:18:32,899 That's not how I would describe it. 386 00:18:32,942 --> 00:18:35,554 Ah, well, how would you describe it? 387 00:18:35,597 --> 00:18:39,384 I mean, uh, one day, she's working for you, 388 00:18:39,427 --> 00:18:42,387 and the next day, she's your boss. 389 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:45,085 It stands to reason that you probably harbor 390 00:18:45,129 --> 00:18:47,522 some resentment towards Dr. Martin, wouldn't you say? 391 00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:48,784 Objection. 392 00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:50,786 Ask another question. 393 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:54,921 I mean, she fired you. 394 00:18:54,964 --> 00:18:56,052 Didn't she? 395 00:18:56,096 --> 00:18:57,141 Objection. 396 00:18:57,184 --> 00:18:59,012 What's the relevance? 397 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:00,796 It goes to bias, Your Honor. 398 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,278 Dr. Henson is using this courtroom to settle a score. 399 00:19:04,322 --> 00:19:06,193 JUDGE: Overruled. 400 00:19:06,237 --> 00:19:07,673 Please answer the question. 401 00:19:07,716 --> 00:19:11,242 We had differences of opinion on a number of cases. 402 00:19:11,285 --> 00:19:15,071 But she has the right to work with whomever she chooses. 403 00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:21,034 I will admit that I did not like the way she operated the unit. 404 00:19:21,077 --> 00:19:25,517 In my opinion, she was obsessive. 405 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,823 Determined to solve any case, no matter what. 406 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:32,132 Sometimes even if the forensics did not bear her out. 407 00:19:32,176 --> 00:19:33,960 BENNY: But again, 408 00:19:34,003 --> 00:19:36,397 that is your opinion. 409 00:19:36,441 --> 00:19:41,402 The opinion of the man she replaced and ultimately fired. 410 00:19:43,491 --> 00:19:45,058 Just my opinion. 411 00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:47,626 No further questions, Your Honor. 412 00:19:52,239 --> 00:19:53,719 This is the last of it. 413 00:19:53,762 --> 00:19:56,852 Every piece of information about the hair that exists. 414 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,333 Your original analysis, your second analysis, 415 00:19:59,377 --> 00:20:03,032 the independent analysis, photos, storage data. 416 00:20:08,734 --> 00:20:10,692 Anything jumping out at you? 417 00:20:10,736 --> 00:20:12,520 Not yet. 418 00:20:12,564 --> 00:20:14,696 I'm not trying to get out of anything, but honestly, 419 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:17,221 I have no idea what I'm reading here. 420 00:20:17,264 --> 00:20:18,483 Just give it to me. 421 00:20:19,527 --> 00:20:21,529 You, too. Give me yours. 422 00:20:29,972 --> 00:20:33,019 You don't have to sit here. I don't need a babysitter. 423 00:20:36,152 --> 00:20:37,458 I'll be in my office. 424 00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:39,373 I'll be in my bed. 425 00:20:55,215 --> 00:20:57,130 Should I come back? 426 00:20:57,173 --> 00:20:59,306 Of course not. What's up? 427 00:20:59,350 --> 00:21:00,568 Pollen. 428 00:21:00,612 --> 00:21:02,527 Excuse me? 429 00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:04,790 The hair all the outside labs have been testing 430 00:21:04,833 --> 00:21:07,096 is covered with pollen. 431 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:09,447 And that matters because...? 432 00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:11,362 Well, to begin with, it makes me wonder 433 00:21:11,405 --> 00:21:13,755 whether the hair is actually a pubic hair at all. 434 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:17,150 And if so, how it possibly came into contact with pollen. 435 00:21:17,193 --> 00:21:20,545 Well, I'm sure, with a little imagination, 436 00:21:20,588 --> 00:21:22,721 someone will come up with a scenario. 437 00:21:22,764 --> 00:21:26,246 Emily was murdered in the dead of winter. 438 00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:30,511 And in the dead of winter, there is no pollen. 439 00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:35,516 This is not the hair I found on Emily's body. 440 00:21:42,741 --> 00:21:44,133 CHUNK: Dr. Martin, 441 00:21:44,177 --> 00:21:45,700 isn't it true that the night that you 442 00:21:45,744 --> 00:21:49,182 found the sole piece of DNA evidence against Mr. Malford, 443 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,358 that everyone had gone home 444 00:21:51,402 --> 00:21:54,143 and you were completely alone with the victim's body? 445 00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:56,755 Yes.And do you regularly 446 00:21:56,798 --> 00:21:58,974 perform autopsies alone, 447 00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:01,368 late at night, when everyone's gone home for the day? 448 00:22:01,412 --> 00:22:02,630 Yes. 449 00:22:02,674 --> 00:22:04,502 And why is that? 450 00:22:04,545 --> 00:22:07,331 I have a really particular skill set, 451 00:22:07,374 --> 00:22:09,376 and I find that skill set works best 452 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:11,335 when there's just two of us in the room. 453 00:22:11,378 --> 00:22:13,685 Myself, and the cadaver. 454 00:22:13,728 --> 00:22:17,645 Other people really just end up being distractions. 455 00:22:17,689 --> 00:22:20,387 All right. Let's talk about that. 456 00:22:20,431 --> 00:22:22,563 When you say that other people are distractions, 457 00:22:22,607 --> 00:22:26,088 it sounds very... negative. 458 00:22:26,132 --> 00:22:27,307 Very dismissive. 459 00:22:27,351 --> 00:22:28,917 One could easily get the impression 460 00:22:28,961 --> 00:22:31,137 that you just don't like people. 461 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:34,488 And we want the jurors to like you. 462 00:22:34,532 --> 00:22:37,099 And it helps if they think you might like them. 463 00:22:37,143 --> 00:22:40,364 I don't know them. 464 00:22:40,407 --> 00:22:41,669 Of course. 465 00:22:41,713 --> 00:22:46,413 Okay, um, let's forget that line of thinking. 466 00:22:46,457 --> 00:22:48,981 Here's another reason why saying you find 467 00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:52,201 other people distracting might not serve your best interests: 468 00:22:52,245 --> 00:22:54,203 anything that makes it sound like you don't like 469 00:22:54,247 --> 00:22:56,423 having people around when you do your work 470 00:22:56,467 --> 00:22:58,425 might make the jurors think that you don't 471 00:22:58,469 --> 00:23:01,210 want company because it makes it harder 472 00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:03,517 to manipulate evidence. 473 00:23:05,214 --> 00:23:06,868 You see that, right? 474 00:23:06,912 --> 00:23:09,436 I don't manipulate evidence.I know that. 475 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,960 But you're-you're talking to people who don't know you. 476 00:23:12,004 --> 00:23:15,399 So how would you suggest I answer that? 477 00:23:15,442 --> 00:23:19,228 Well, maybe there's another reason you work late 478 00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:21,448 that wouldn't lead them to the same conclusion. 479 00:23:21,492 --> 00:23:25,104 Maybe you find it impossible to sleep 480 00:23:25,147 --> 00:23:26,453 when there are grieving friends and relatives 481 00:23:26,497 --> 00:23:28,412 out there waiting for answers 482 00:23:28,455 --> 00:23:31,240 as to what happened to their loved ones? 483 00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:34,418 I can't say that. That's-that's not the truth. 484 00:23:34,461 --> 00:23:36,028 Maybe there's a truth 485 00:23:36,071 --> 00:23:39,074 that's more palatable to the jury. 486 00:23:39,118 --> 00:23:44,471 Mr. Palmer, I'm a scientist, and scientists deal with facts. 487 00:23:44,515 --> 00:23:48,083 There is one truth, there's one right answer. 488 00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:52,479 If you ask me a question, I am going to give you that truth. 489 00:23:52,523 --> 00:23:54,568 As to whether it's palatable, 490 00:23:54,612 --> 00:23:56,788 that's not something I've ever concerned myself with. 491 00:23:56,831 --> 00:23:58,920 Well, it ought to be, because you're gonna be spending 492 00:23:58,964 --> 00:24:01,488 ten years in prison for something that you didn't do 493 00:24:01,532 --> 00:24:03,577 if we can't make the jury understand 494 00:24:03,621 --> 00:24:05,231 your side of the story. 495 00:24:05,274 --> 00:24:07,799 Okay, again, there is no "my side" of the story. 496 00:24:07,842 --> 00:24:09,191 There is what happened, 497 00:24:09,235 --> 00:24:11,455 and there is what did not happen. 498 00:24:11,498 --> 00:24:15,023 There is truth and fact, and there is falsehood. 499 00:24:15,067 --> 00:24:18,549 You can't spin the truth, you cannot polish it up 500 00:24:18,592 --> 00:24:21,465 or put lipstick on a pig, which is what I feel like 501 00:24:21,508 --> 00:24:22,727 you're trying to do to me right now. 502 00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:24,468 I am what I am. 503 00:24:24,511 --> 00:24:26,600 I did what I did, and I don't regret a minute of it 504 00:24:26,644 --> 00:24:30,517 because I did it all by the book. 505 00:24:30,561 --> 00:24:32,998 So are we done here? 506 00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:36,262 It certainly seems that way. 507 00:24:36,305 --> 00:24:37,698 You talk to Chunk?Sure did. 508 00:24:37,742 --> 00:24:39,570 You still want to put her on the stand? 509 00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:41,006 I do. 510 00:24:41,049 --> 00:24:42,921 He said that she's fundamentally incapable 511 00:24:42,964 --> 00:24:45,532 of shading her answers even one iota. 512 00:24:45,576 --> 00:24:48,404 Even at the risk of sending herself to prison. 513 00:24:48,448 --> 00:24:50,363 I'm waiting for the bad news. 514 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:52,583 I'm pretty sure I just gave you the bad news. 515 00:24:52,626 --> 00:24:55,281 So the truth is, this woman can't even fudge the facts 516 00:24:55,324 --> 00:24:56,978 to keep herself out of jail. 517 00:24:57,022 --> 00:24:59,546 Now we just have to get a jury to understand that that means 518 00:24:59,590 --> 00:25:01,592 she couldn't possibly have fudged them 519 00:25:01,635 --> 00:25:04,116 to put someone else behind bars. 520 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:05,552 BENNY: We've heard a lot 521 00:25:05,596 --> 00:25:08,686 about the fact that you like to work alone 522 00:25:08,729 --> 00:25:10,688 and often late at night. 523 00:25:10,731 --> 00:25:12,559 Can you please tell us 524 00:25:12,603 --> 00:25:15,214 why that's your practice, Dr. Martin? 525 00:25:15,257 --> 00:25:19,044 I'm not good with people. 526 00:25:20,741 --> 00:25:23,091 I know how that sounds. 527 00:25:23,135 --> 00:25:25,398 Trust me, it's not made me a lot of friends. 528 00:25:27,574 --> 00:25:29,707 But I am good at my job. 529 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,144 I'm great at my job. 530 00:25:32,187 --> 00:25:34,233 And in order to be the best at my job, 531 00:25:34,276 --> 00:25:36,017 I have to be able to concentrate. 532 00:25:36,061 --> 00:25:38,977 I have to know that every single step of that process 533 00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:42,284 was done with precision and care. 534 00:25:42,328 --> 00:25:44,939 And if I do every step myself, I don't have to worry 535 00:25:44,983 --> 00:25:46,593 that it wasn't done properly. 536 00:25:46,637 --> 00:25:49,509 I don't have to worry 537 00:25:49,553 --> 00:25:51,990 that I offended someone because I criticized them 538 00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:53,992 for making a mistake. 539 00:25:54,035 --> 00:25:55,602 Or that I forgot to praise someone 540 00:25:55,646 --> 00:25:57,778 for just doing their job. 541 00:25:57,822 --> 00:26:02,435 So what do you say to the allegations 542 00:26:02,478 --> 00:26:04,655 that you falsified evidence 543 00:26:04,698 --> 00:26:07,614 in order to get a conviction against John Malford? 544 00:26:07,658 --> 00:26:10,008 I would say that's ridiculous. 545 00:26:10,051 --> 00:26:12,445 I don't care about John Malford. 546 00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:15,056 I have never cared about who gets convicted. 547 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,450 That's not a win for me. 548 00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:20,235 A win for me is finding the right answer. 549 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:23,978 It's solving the puzzle, it's making the crime stop. 550 00:26:24,022 --> 00:26:26,633 I do crosswords a lot. 551 00:26:26,677 --> 00:26:29,680 And they have these new apps now. 552 00:26:29,723 --> 00:26:32,726 If you get stuck, you can prompt it, and it'll give you a word, 553 00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:34,336 or it will give you a letter. 554 00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:37,470 And I would... I would just never do that. 555 00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:40,125 I would never want to do that, 556 00:26:40,168 --> 00:26:43,345 because having a filled-out crossword, 557 00:26:43,389 --> 00:26:45,739 that does nothing for me. 558 00:26:45,783 --> 00:26:50,788 But solving it myself, that's the part that's satisfying. 559 00:26:50,831 --> 00:26:55,662 So no, I would never falsify evidence to get a conviction, 560 00:26:55,706 --> 00:26:59,187 because then I would never really know who did it. 561 00:26:59,231 --> 00:27:01,712 I wouldn't solve the puzzle. 562 00:27:01,755 --> 00:27:05,759 If you cheat, you never find the truth. 563 00:27:09,197 --> 00:27:10,764 Marissa? 564 00:27:10,808 --> 00:27:12,461 MARISSA: No movement yet, 565 00:27:12,505 --> 00:27:14,899 but they clearly want to believe her. 566 00:27:14,942 --> 00:27:17,597 Baby steps. 567 00:27:19,077 --> 00:27:22,646 I'm starting to think Chunk doesn't know his own strength. 568 00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:24,430 Kept telling me she was hopeless, but he actually 569 00:27:24,473 --> 00:27:27,651 turned her into a very effective witness. 570 00:27:27,694 --> 00:27:32,351 Ah, speak of the devil.Oh... 571 00:27:32,394 --> 00:27:34,701 What have we here? 572 00:27:34,745 --> 00:27:36,616 TAYLOR: Well, 573 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:38,792 I wasn't able to connect Malford directly to any of the people 574 00:27:38,836 --> 00:27:40,707 who worked at the medical examiner's office, 575 00:27:40,751 --> 00:27:43,362 but then Danny had a great idea.DANNY: Serial killers 576 00:27:43,405 --> 00:27:45,581 like Malford tend to attract obsessive fans. 577 00:27:45,625 --> 00:27:47,148 Total strangers who begin to believe they have 578 00:27:47,192 --> 00:27:49,368 an intimate relationship with these killers. 579 00:27:49,411 --> 00:27:51,370 Excessive adoration disorder. 580 00:27:51,413 --> 00:27:53,546 Oh, yeah. I've heard of this. 581 00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:57,289 Crazy ladies who marry prisoners they've never met before. 582 00:27:57,332 --> 00:27:59,683 Well, they're not all ladies and they don't all get married, 583 00:27:59,726 --> 00:28:02,381 but yes, that's what we're talking about. 584 00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:03,817 Malford hasn't had a jailhouse wedding yet, 585 00:28:03,861 --> 00:28:06,298 but he does have quite the fan club. 586 00:28:06,341 --> 00:28:08,604 TAYLOR: Our guy's gotten thousands of letters, 587 00:28:08,648 --> 00:28:10,563 and he's responded to hundreds of them. 588 00:28:10,606 --> 00:28:12,478 CHUNK: The good news is, Sing Sing keeps a scan 589 00:28:12,521 --> 00:28:13,697 of all incoming and outgoing mail, 590 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:15,916 and they gave Taylor access. 591 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,179 Any one of these admirers sound like they'd be willing 592 00:28:18,223 --> 00:28:19,746 to help Malford break out of prison? 593 00:28:19,790 --> 00:28:20,965 TAYLOR: Oh, yeah. 594 00:28:21,008 --> 00:28:22,749 There's no shortage of those. 595 00:28:22,793 --> 00:28:25,099 But we're still talking about over two dozen people. 596 00:28:25,143 --> 00:28:26,710 The math is not encouraging. 597 00:28:26,753 --> 00:28:28,537 More than 80 people had access 598 00:28:28,581 --> 00:28:30,583 to the evidence storage facility. 599 00:28:30,626 --> 00:28:32,150 More than two dozen crazies writing love letters. 600 00:28:32,193 --> 00:28:34,892 BENNY: That's a lot of leads 601 00:28:34,935 --> 00:28:37,285 to be running down in the middle of a trial. 602 00:28:37,329 --> 00:28:39,244 We don't have the time. 603 00:28:39,287 --> 00:28:40,898 I'm betting a day, maybe two, 604 00:28:40,941 --> 00:28:44,118 before the judge forces us to rest our case. 605 00:28:44,162 --> 00:28:46,904 Maybe we should just go right to the source. 606 00:28:47,905 --> 00:28:49,515 Excuse me? 607 00:28:49,558 --> 00:28:51,865 See how early Benny and I can get into Sing Sing tomorrow 608 00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:53,780 to talk with John Malford. 609 00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,783 Uh-- John Malford? Seriously? 610 00:28:56,827 --> 00:28:59,873 Yeah. Sometimes the shortest distance between two points 611 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:01,483 is a straight line. 612 00:29:01,527 --> 00:29:03,834 We need to figure out who's helping this guy 613 00:29:03,877 --> 00:29:07,489 break out of prison; why don't we just go ask him? 614 00:29:16,237 --> 00:29:17,761 So what's the game plan here, boss? 615 00:29:17,804 --> 00:29:19,850 I just want to look him in the eye, see what I see. 616 00:29:19,893 --> 00:29:21,852 Maybe he'll offer something useful, maybe he won't. 617 00:29:21,895 --> 00:29:24,506 Serial killers tend to be outsized narcissists. 618 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:27,118 Nothing they like to talk about more than themselves. 619 00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:29,381 I just want to get him talking. 620 00:29:33,211 --> 00:29:35,953 Ryan, good to see you. 621 00:29:35,996 --> 00:29:37,911 I didn't know you'd be joining us. 622 00:29:37,955 --> 00:29:39,130 Benny, Dr. Bull, pleasure. 623 00:29:40,784 --> 00:29:43,003 When the prison informed me you'd requested a meeting, 624 00:29:43,047 --> 00:29:44,788 I thought it wise to sit in. 625 00:29:44,831 --> 00:29:46,093 BULL: Of course. 626 00:29:46,137 --> 00:29:47,921 Just to be clear, this was all very last minute. 627 00:29:47,965 --> 00:29:50,097 Nobody's trying to pull a fast one... 628 00:29:50,141 --> 00:29:51,925 Never even crossed my mind. 629 00:29:51,969 --> 00:29:54,014 Just want to be certain everyone remembers, 630 00:29:54,058 --> 00:29:55,929 my client isn't on trial. 631 00:29:55,973 --> 00:29:57,235 Yours is. 632 00:29:57,278 --> 00:30:00,020 Oh, I think we're all very clear about that. 633 00:30:02,022 --> 00:30:03,589 You must be Mr. Malford. 634 00:30:03,632 --> 00:30:05,634 Yeah. John. 635 00:30:05,678 --> 00:30:07,027 Who are you? 636 00:30:07,071 --> 00:30:08,115 RYAN: These are the gentlemen representing 637 00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:09,682 the medical examiner 638 00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:11,858 who falsified the evidence that got you locked up, John. 639 00:30:11,902 --> 00:30:13,251 Hmm. 640 00:30:13,294 --> 00:30:14,905 RYAN: So... 641 00:30:14,948 --> 00:30:16,820 what can we do for you? 642 00:30:16,863 --> 00:30:18,386 Well, we just wanted to get a look at the man 643 00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:20,562 who's at the center of our case. 644 00:30:20,606 --> 00:30:22,434 How you holding up in here, John? 645 00:30:22,477 --> 00:30:24,610 Holding up good. 646 00:30:24,653 --> 00:30:27,787 Working out, food's okay. 647 00:30:27,831 --> 00:30:29,789 How's your head? 648 00:30:29,833 --> 00:30:32,661 You lonely? You have any friends? 649 00:30:32,705 --> 00:30:34,925 Oh, yeah. I got friends. 650 00:30:34,968 --> 00:30:36,796 Inside and outside. 651 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,624 BULL: Aha. 652 00:30:38,667 --> 00:30:40,626 How do you mean, "outside"? 653 00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:41,888 Oh, you know. 654 00:30:41,932 --> 00:30:46,501 I get letters, pictures. People want to visit. 655 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:50,505 Want to, um, make friends. 656 00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:52,899 Women. Mm. 657 00:30:52,943 --> 00:30:57,077 Oh. That sounds like a... great life. 658 00:30:57,121 --> 00:31:00,646 Some of those pictures are naked. 659 00:31:00,689 --> 00:31:02,953 RYAN: So, you two working for the prison now? 660 00:31:02,996 --> 00:31:05,738 Hmm? Conducting a customer satisfaction survey? 661 00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:08,001 The point is, John here's been a model prisoner, 662 00:31:08,045 --> 00:31:10,047 he's adapted to prison life flawlessly. 663 00:31:10,090 --> 00:31:13,572 Not a black mark on his record to hinder his appeal. 664 00:31:13,615 --> 00:31:16,488 Ah. Right. John's appeal. 665 00:31:16,531 --> 00:31:18,925 Hey, I-I've got to ask, 666 00:31:18,969 --> 00:31:21,623 why even bother with the appeal? 667 00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:23,756 You seem so content. 668 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,105 Because he's innocent. 669 00:31:25,149 --> 00:31:27,151 JOHN: What do I care 670 00:31:27,194 --> 00:31:30,154 if this guy wants to push some papers around? 671 00:31:30,197 --> 00:31:31,416 No skin off my back. 672 00:31:31,459 --> 00:31:32,939 I mean, what's the worst thing that happens? 673 00:31:32,983 --> 00:31:36,116 I actually... get out? 674 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,989 You're right. 675 00:31:39,032 --> 00:31:40,729 No harm, no foul. 676 00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:44,298 This has been great. 677 00:31:44,342 --> 00:31:47,388 Really... helpful. 678 00:31:47,432 --> 00:31:49,173 Mr. Vance. 679 00:31:49,216 --> 00:31:51,392 Mr. Malford. 680 00:31:53,699 --> 00:31:55,875 Hey, why'd you cut bait like that? 681 00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:57,964 The guy was just warming up. 682 00:31:58,008 --> 00:32:00,140 Maybe we could've gotten a name, 683 00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:02,316 maybe found our inside man at the morgue. 684 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,058 There is no name. 685 00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:06,755 There is no inside man at the morgue. 686 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:07,974 How do you mean? 687 00:32:09,976 --> 00:32:12,196 Did Malford seem like he'd even contemplated 688 00:32:12,239 --> 00:32:13,719 life outside of prison? 689 00:32:13,762 --> 00:32:16,374 No. It didn't seem like 690 00:32:16,417 --> 00:32:18,942 he actually cared much about his appeal at all. 691 00:32:18,985 --> 00:32:20,987 Exactly. He also showed very little interest 692 00:32:21,031 --> 00:32:22,206 in Julia's case. 693 00:32:22,249 --> 00:32:24,425 Now, if this guy spent the last six years 694 00:32:24,469 --> 00:32:27,863 hatching this scheme and manipulating some admirer 695 00:32:27,907 --> 00:32:29,300 to do his bidding, don't you think he'd be 696 00:32:29,343 --> 00:32:31,302 a little more invested in the fruits of his labor? 697 00:32:31,345 --> 00:32:33,826 So, Malford didn't do it? 698 00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:36,089 Malford didn't change the evidence? 699 00:32:36,133 --> 00:32:37,525 Back to square one? 700 00:32:37,569 --> 00:32:40,485 Maybe not. 701 00:32:40,528 --> 00:32:43,096 Malford might have no interest in Julia's case, 702 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:46,317 but someone put this thing in motion. 703 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,319 Who do you mean? 704 00:32:49,624 --> 00:32:51,757 Ryan? No. 705 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,455 Ryan's his lawyer. He's just doing his job. 706 00:32:54,499 --> 00:32:57,371 You don't think it strange that he was there 707 00:32:57,415 --> 00:33:00,157 at that meeting just now, or that he has been 708 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,724 in court every day of Julia's trial? 709 00:33:05,205 --> 00:33:06,380 I don't know, Bull. 710 00:33:06,424 --> 00:33:10,254 Ryan is not my favorite guy, 711 00:33:10,297 --> 00:33:13,126 but what does he care if Julia goes down? 712 00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:15,259 I'm not sure. 713 00:33:15,302 --> 00:33:16,869 I'm just telling you what I see. 714 00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:24,268 Since we moved off the fangirl theory 715 00:33:24,311 --> 00:33:26,139 and onto Malford's lawyer, 716 00:33:26,183 --> 00:33:27,923 I circled back to the 80 people 717 00:33:27,967 --> 00:33:29,838 who had access to the evidence storage facility 718 00:33:29,882 --> 00:33:31,840 at the medical examiner's office to see if I could 719 00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:33,407 try to find some kind of link. 720 00:33:33,451 --> 00:33:35,844 We never did do a deep dive into any of their finances, 721 00:33:35,888 --> 00:33:37,455 because Malford was broke, 722 00:33:37,498 --> 00:33:39,500 so it didn't seem particularly relevant. 723 00:33:39,544 --> 00:33:43,504 But Malford's attorney, Mr. Ryan Vance, Esquire, is not. 724 00:33:43,548 --> 00:33:45,202 He has plenty of money to pay off 725 00:33:45,245 --> 00:33:46,986 an overworked, underpaid lab tech. 726 00:33:47,030 --> 00:33:48,814 Like Skylar Brown. 727 00:33:48,857 --> 00:33:51,599 Skylar was wrestling with a significant amount of debt. 728 00:33:51,643 --> 00:33:53,732 She maxed out four credit cards and has 729 00:33:53,775 --> 00:33:55,299 two delinquent homeowner loans. 730 00:33:55,342 --> 00:33:57,518 But, coincidentally, Skylar seems to have had 731 00:33:57,562 --> 00:33:59,477 a financial windfall, 732 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,131 just three weeks prior 733 00:34:01,174 --> 00:34:02,654 to the independent analysis of Malford's hair. 734 00:34:02,697 --> 00:34:05,744 A cash deposit, $60,000, 735 00:34:05,787 --> 00:34:07,267 straight into her personal checking account. 736 00:34:07,311 --> 00:34:11,010 Hmm. Okay, $60,000 question. 737 00:34:11,054 --> 00:34:13,099 Can we tie any of this cash back to Ryan Vance? 738 00:34:13,143 --> 00:34:15,623 Not yet, but we are gonna keep at it. 739 00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:18,800 I feel the heat all the way over here. 740 00:34:18,844 --> 00:34:20,106 Something not clicking for you? 741 00:34:20,150 --> 00:34:24,067 I got everything but the "why." 742 00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:27,113 Why would a successful attorney like Ryan Vance 743 00:34:27,157 --> 00:34:31,422 put his entire livelihood, his entire legacy on the line 744 00:34:31,465 --> 00:34:35,252 for a rapist and a murderer like John Malford? 745 00:34:35,295 --> 00:34:37,123 So... 746 00:34:37,167 --> 00:34:39,343 why frame Julia? 747 00:34:39,386 --> 00:34:41,562 Why go to all the trouble? 748 00:34:41,606 --> 00:34:43,956 Why risk putting a homicidal sexual predator 749 00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,002 back on the street, earn the enmity of the D.A.'s office 750 00:34:47,046 --> 00:34:51,920 by forcing them to reopen every case where Julia's evidence 751 00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:53,966 put someone away? 752 00:34:56,142 --> 00:34:58,710 Why? 753 00:34:58,753 --> 00:35:00,973 What are you thinking? 754 00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:02,931 Taylor, how long do you think it'd take 755 00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:05,673 to get a list of Ryan Vance's other clients? 756 00:35:05,717 --> 00:35:08,154 The other clients that are currently incarcerated? 757 00:35:08,198 --> 00:35:10,939 I'm kind of in the middle of something... 758 00:35:10,983 --> 00:35:13,594 I don't care. I want that list. 759 00:35:13,638 --> 00:35:15,248 BENNY: With Your Honor's approval, 760 00:35:15,292 --> 00:35:18,730 we'd like to call the person sitting in the third row, 761 00:35:18,773 --> 00:35:22,603 John Malford's attorney Ryan Vance, to the stand. 762 00:35:22,647 --> 00:35:24,431 JUDGE: Has the defense subpoenaed Mr. Vance? 763 00:35:24,475 --> 00:35:25,867 We don't typically allow 764 00:35:25,911 --> 00:35:28,479 those seated in the gallery to testify. 765 00:35:28,522 --> 00:35:30,089 Yes, we're aware of that, Your Honor. 766 00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:32,222 But we're hoping that the court will see fit 767 00:35:32,265 --> 00:35:34,354 to grant us this approval.RYAN: Your Honor, 768 00:35:34,398 --> 00:35:36,356 I'm sorry, I-- this is the first I'm hearing of this. 769 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,575 BENNY: Mr. Vance's 770 00:35:37,618 --> 00:35:39,707 petition for the independent analysis 771 00:35:39,751 --> 00:35:41,622 of the Malford evidence 772 00:35:41,666 --> 00:35:43,233 initiated this whole trial. 773 00:35:43,276 --> 00:35:45,887 I'd merely like him to speak 774 00:35:45,931 --> 00:35:49,282 to the history of how that new analysis came to be. 775 00:35:50,762 --> 00:35:53,286 All right. I'll allow it. 776 00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:56,594 BENNY: So Mr. Vance, when you requested 777 00:35:56,637 --> 00:35:58,596 an independent examination of the evidence 778 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,382 in the John Malford case, did you know a negative match 779 00:36:02,426 --> 00:36:06,081 would call into question the professional conduct 780 00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:09,172 and scientific expertise of my client, 781 00:36:09,215 --> 00:36:11,304 Dr. Julia Martin? 782 00:36:11,348 --> 00:36:12,958 That would be a natural consequence. 783 00:36:13,001 --> 00:36:15,352 She did perform the original analysis. 784 00:36:19,573 --> 00:36:21,793 Isn't it true 785 00:36:21,836 --> 00:36:25,188 that other cases will be reexamined as a result 786 00:36:25,231 --> 00:36:27,712 of Dr. Martin's prosecution? 787 00:36:27,755 --> 00:36:31,977 Countless other criminals, murderers, rapists and thieves 788 00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:34,458 are going to file for dismissal of their sentences. 789 00:36:34,501 --> 00:36:37,200 As well they should be, yes. 790 00:36:37,243 --> 00:36:42,814 Ah. I-Isn't it also true that you are the sole owner 791 00:36:42,857 --> 00:36:48,167 of Barnaby Bank account number 00403010? 792 00:36:48,211 --> 00:36:50,561 I don't know, I... It very well could be. 793 00:36:50,604 --> 00:36:52,171 I don't have my account number memorized. 794 00:36:52,215 --> 00:36:56,523 I do bank at Barnaby, so yes, I suppose. 795 00:36:56,567 --> 00:37:01,224 A-And isn't it also true that you withdrew $60,000 in cash 796 00:37:01,267 --> 00:37:03,530 on September 21st from this account? 797 00:37:03,574 --> 00:37:05,837 Again, it's months ago. 798 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,317 I don't have every transaction memorized, 799 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,058 so yes, it's possible, it sounds possible. 800 00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:12,931 If you say so. 801 00:37:12,974 --> 00:37:15,020 Well, it's not me saying it. 802 00:37:15,063 --> 00:37:16,717 Your Honor, 803 00:37:16,761 --> 00:37:19,590 these are Mr. Vance's bank records 804 00:37:19,633 --> 00:37:22,288 for the month of September. 805 00:37:22,332 --> 00:37:26,031 I'd ask that you mark them 806 00:37:26,074 --> 00:37:28,120 as defense exhibit number 14. 807 00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:29,730 So marked. 808 00:37:29,774 --> 00:37:34,169 And lastly, do you know a Skylar Brown? 809 00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,476 RYAN: Uh... 810 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,523 Uh, name rings a bell. I-I can't be certain, though. 811 00:37:39,566 --> 00:37:42,003 Well, she's an employee of the medical examiner's office 812 00:37:42,047 --> 00:37:45,833 with full access to all evidence storage. 813 00:37:45,877 --> 00:37:48,749 Including DNA samples.Objection, Your Honor. Relevance? 814 00:37:48,793 --> 00:37:51,143 I'm moments away, Your Honor, I promise. 815 00:37:51,186 --> 00:37:53,276 I certainly hope so. Overruled. 816 00:37:53,319 --> 00:37:54,668 Isn't it strange 817 00:37:54,712 --> 00:37:58,498 that just two days after you made your withdrawal, 818 00:37:58,542 --> 00:38:01,109 Skylar Brown paid off all of her credit cards, 819 00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:04,112 her delinquent loans? 820 00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:06,854 All of her outstanding debts? 821 00:38:06,898 --> 00:38:11,903 Following a deposit of exactly $60,000 in cash 822 00:38:11,946 --> 00:38:13,687 into her checking account? 823 00:38:13,731 --> 00:38:17,822 I wouldn't say strange. I might say coincidental. 824 00:38:17,865 --> 00:38:20,259 Ah. 825 00:38:20,303 --> 00:38:22,043 How old were you when your brother 826 00:38:22,087 --> 00:38:23,393 was convicted of murder? 827 00:38:26,874 --> 00:38:28,833 I really don't think that has anything to do 828 00:38:28,876 --> 00:38:30,400 with the business at hand. 829 00:38:30,443 --> 00:38:35,056 I-Isn't your brother Trevor one of your clients? 830 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:40,279 And wasn't the evidence in his case also assessed by my client, 831 00:38:40,323 --> 00:38:42,629 Dr. Julia Martin? 832 00:38:42,673 --> 00:38:45,328 And if Dr. Martin is found guilty, 833 00:38:45,371 --> 00:38:48,156 isn't Trevor's conviction likely to be overturned, 834 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,333 just like John Malford's? 835 00:38:50,376 --> 00:38:52,117 And isn't that why you paid 836 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,817 Skylar Brown $60,000, 837 00:38:56,861 --> 00:38:58,210 to replace the hair that was used 838 00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:01,256 to convict your client, John Malford? 839 00:39:05,348 --> 00:39:07,132 JUDGE: Mr. Vance, 840 00:39:07,175 --> 00:39:09,177 do you need the question repeated? 841 00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:13,399 Oh, that's all right, Your Honor. 842 00:39:13,443 --> 00:39:16,446 I think the jury already has their answer. 843 00:39:16,489 --> 00:39:18,186 No further questions. 844 00:39:22,626 --> 00:39:25,585 Is the prosecution prepared to cross-examine the witness? 845 00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:32,636 Actually, no. 846 00:39:34,115 --> 00:39:37,771 But we are prepared, based on Ryan Vance's testimony 847 00:39:37,815 --> 00:39:41,296 and the evidence presented by Mr. Colón, 848 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:42,646 to withdraw our charges 849 00:39:42,689 --> 00:39:44,648 against Dr. Martin... 850 00:39:46,258 --> 00:39:47,955 ...and offer our apologies. 851 00:39:58,662 --> 00:40:01,404 Thank you.You're welcome. 852 00:40:20,248 --> 00:40:24,557 Oh, Dr. Martin, it's 2:00 in the morning, and I heard a noise. 853 00:40:24,601 --> 00:40:27,995 No one else is here, you know, and I was just about to leave. 854 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:29,910 You gonna be okay? 855 00:40:29,954 --> 00:40:32,913 I'm going to be perfect. 856 00:41:27,751 --> 00:41:29,753 Captioning sponsored by CBS 857 00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:35,759 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 65081

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