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MAN:
There's another one,
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down by the spa.
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You asked me how to get ahead
at the firm.
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That's how you do it.
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What about merit?
W-What about hard work?
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Let me explain something to you.
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For you to rise in the ranks,
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someone has to make room
for you.
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They have to give up something,
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maybe a raise
or part of a bonus.
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Now why is someone going to be
giving up something
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unless they get something?
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Oh, geez. It's behind you,
corner of the bar.
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M.E. HENSON:
January 5th, 9:40 p.m.
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Postmortem
examination.
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External search: Negative.
Internal trunk exploration:
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Negative.
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Forensic evidence
discovered: None.
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How is that possible?
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Excuse me?
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This man's killed four women
in a year and a half.
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How is it he can hide
in women's bathrooms,
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chloroform his victims,
undress them,
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undress himself,
have sex with them,
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strangle them to death,
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and still not leave one bit
of forensic evidence?
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Not one drop of semen?
Not one fleck of skin?
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Listen, I know you're new here,
but, uh, Dr....?
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Martin. Julia Martin.
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We're talking
public bathrooms.
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They're a convention center
of forensic evidence.
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The victims' bodies,
that's another story.
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That's how we'll get him.
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PETER: Dr. Martin,
you're still here?
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I'd like to take another look
at Emily Baker's body.
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Eh, kind of late.
Everyone's gone.
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That's okay. I'll be fine.
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I'll put everything back
the way I found it.
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HOLLOWAY: We're obviously
thrilled that this afternoon,
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a jury of his peers
convicted John Malford,
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otherwise known as
the "Bathroom Stall Butcher,"
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for the murder
of young Emily Baker.
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Special thanks to the New York City Medical Examiner's Office,
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in particular
to Julia Martin,
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whose tireless work led to the
discovery of the pivotal piece
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of evidence against
John Malford.
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Hi. Welcome to Billy's.
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If you're gonna be a successful
attorney in Manhattan,
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this is a place you need
to know about.
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Oh, I didn't even know
there was a Billy's.
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Well, consider tonight as a part
of your legal education.Thanks.
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As a matter of fact,
FDR used to settle cases
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at that table
right there
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in the back.Oh, I don't care about all that.
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Show me where
the Benny Colón booth is.
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No, this ain't
Dunkin' Donuts.
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Why don't you find us a table.
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I'll grab us some drinks.
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STELLA:
Benjamin Colón.
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Stella!
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And Ryan.
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Wow...
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What is the occasion?
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You two look like a pair
of breathalyzer tests
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waiting to happen.
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Well, truth is I have
a pretty good shot
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at getting a client
out of prison.
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Guy was put away for life, so...
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So what'd you do? You bake him
a cake with a hacksaw in it?
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One better.
Ah.
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I discovered the evidence
that got him convicted
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may have been tampered with.
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Seriously?Yeah.
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By, uh, the police, or...?
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Medical Examiner's Office.
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Yeah.
I petitioned to have
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a client's DNA evidence retested
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and it came back-- no match,
not even close.
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Well, who's
the medical examiner?
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You know Julia Martin?
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No, no, no, no.
That must be a mistake.
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She was picked up this morning.
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D.A.'s office thinks
it was intentional.
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Who is your client?
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Remember the "Bathroom Stall
Butcher," John Malford?
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BULL: I hate
trolling for cases.
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I like to be asked.
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I like to be the one
who can say no.
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We are not trolling.
We are offering our services.
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And trust me, so is every other
A-list criminal firm in town.
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I mean, this is
Julia Martin.
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Chief Medical Examiner
for the City of New York.
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These are the kinds of cases
that get the town talking.
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Plus, I know her. There's no way
she'd tamper with evidence.
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Well, obviously the D.A.
doesn't agree with you
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or he wouldn't have
arrested her.
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Plus, I know she has
a big title,
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but at the end of the day
she's just a civil servant.
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What are you
trying to say?
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Well, is this another
pro bono situation?
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Because, frankly,
I've become such a pro at bono,
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I'm getting ready to start
my own Irish rock band.
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You wake up in the morning
and you go over in your head
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all those hundreds of things
that you have to do this week.
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It just doesn't occur to you
that you might get arrested.
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You might spend
your first night in jail.
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I'm the Chief Medical Examiner
for the City of New York.
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We want to help you, Julia.
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You know I can't afford to pay
top-shelf guys like you.
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We'll be fine.
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Will I be?
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I also can't afford for you
to do a half-assed job
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because you're just in it
for the free press.
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Keep in mind the best press
for everyone
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is about your
ultimate acquittal.
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You keep that in mind.
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All right then,
I guess it's the two of you.
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Lucky us.
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So here's what I know.
Six years ago,
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when I found that hair
in the back of a woman's throat,
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it was a perfect match
to John Malford's hair, perfect.
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100%. I still have
the evidence that says so,
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so I'm not clear
exactly why we're here.
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The problem is
Malford's attorney
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was running out of appeals,
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so he decided
to throw a Hail Mary
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and petitioned for
a new analysis of the hair,
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an outside analysis
of the hair.
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And when an outside lab tested
it, it came back negative.
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And after they popped
their champagne,
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they sent it to three more labs,
and it also came back negative.
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It didn't match
Malford's hair at all.
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That's not plausible.
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Someone switched the hairs,
or they tested the wrong hair.
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Julia, it's completely
plausible.
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You don't have to agree with it,
but it's certainly plausible.
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No. You're wrong. It isn't.
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There's no circumstance
under which I would ever
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tamper with evidence
in any case.
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Everyone knows this
about me.
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No. Everyone does not.
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Think about it.
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You performed the examination
sometime after midnight.
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You were alone
in the autopsy room,
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and lack of plausibility
is not the argument
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that's gonna win
the case for you.
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Okay. You know that
it was a pubic hair.
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Right? It was
a man's pubic hair.
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I found it in the deepest
recesses of her esophagus.
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So let's say that I am
going to plant a hair.
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Where would I have gotten
a male pubic hair from?
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Oh, come on. Those can't be that
hard to come by in the morgue.
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Is it possible you made
a mistake?
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Excuse me?I mean, maybe
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you thought you
found evidence
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that was relevant to
the case, but it wasn't.
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Emily might've
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indulged in oral sex
with someone else,
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consensual contact.
You did an autopsy.
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You found this hair.
It was a mistake.
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No, that's not possible.
I ran every test that there was.
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I ran every test myself.
That was his hair.
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Keep in mind,
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if it was truly
a mistake,
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then there is
no criminal intent.
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If there is no criminal intent,
then there's no crime.
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Mistakes.
Everybody makes them.
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So you're telling me,
if I say that I made a mistake,
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the charges might be withdrawn?
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Well, it's certainly something
I'd like to take to the D.A.
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I can't imagine that they
would want to go forward
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with this trial.
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I can't.You can't what?
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I can't say that
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because I don't
make mistakes,
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not when it comes
to forensic science.
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Does that change anything
for the two of you?
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Just makes the job harder,
but we didn't take up the offer
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because we thought
it was gonna be easy.
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We told you we wanted
to defend you, and we mean it.
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So what's the plan?
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Well, to get you out
on bail, for starters.
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I'll talk to the D.A.
in the morning, get a lay
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of the land and see what they
think they have on you.
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Dr. Martin.
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Julia.
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Thank you.
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Did you say...Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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The truth is you know
she couldn't have done this.
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She'd rather cut off her own arm
than give you a false report.
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And yet, she did.
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You think I'm looking
to take down a medical examiner?
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We work with them every day.
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I've had these results
checked and rechecked
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with four different labs.
She screwed up,
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which makes all of us look bad.
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Have you actually considered
the repercussions of this?
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You convict the Chief
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Medical Examiner for
the City of New York,
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and you are handing
a "get out of jail free" card
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to everyone you've ever
put behind bars.
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You will have a mile-long line
of attorneys out your door
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claiming that their clients
were falsely convicted.
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Is that what you want?
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Your discovery packet.
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Assuming you're still
gonna want the case
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once you see
what's in there.
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Okay, what's in there?
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Julia's first examination
of Emily Baker's corpse,
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she came up with nothing.
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Okay, so she found the evidence
the second time through.
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And that's fine,
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except she completely deleted
the first report.
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The one where
she came up empty,
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just plucked it out of the
system like it never happened.
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That's a big no-no.
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Okay.
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You know it's a breach of
protocol to delete any reports.
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Even ones that are later
replaced by updated results,
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and you know why.
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Because it can be construed
as consciousness of guilt.
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Julia's the best there is.
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Do you think she'd accidentally
forget protocol?
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She couldn't find any evidence
on the dead girl,
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she decided to take matters
into her own hands
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and create some.
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Oh, here's the bail agreement.
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Is she on her way?Already here.
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She and Benny are
waiting in your office.
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Assistant District Attorney
Williams is not your friend.
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I never said that he was.
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He's claiming you destroyed
an official autopsy report.
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Did you write an official report
stating that you didn't find
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any physical evidence after
your examination of Emily Baker
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and then delete that report from
the official citywide records?
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Yes.
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It was...
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years ago. I mean...
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You have to know how bad
that's gonna look to a jury.
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That first report was useless.
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It only said
that I didn't find anything.
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Yes, but in a court of law,
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it's going to look like
a prior inconsistent statement.
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You weren't supposed
to delete it.
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You were supposed to keep it
and turn it over in discovery.
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No, I wasn't gonna do that.
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Malford's lawyers
would've just used it
249
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to-to call in to question
the evidence that I did find.
250
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I know how these people operate.
251
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Julia, that first report
is still evidence.
252
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You can't just destroy evidence
253
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because it doesn't
suit your needs.
254
00:12:43,115 --> 00:12:46,858
Okay, technically, that first
report was about an absence
255
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of evidence, which
isn't really evidence.
256
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Okay, all right.
257
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The bottom line is,
and-and I know
258
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you couldn't see the future
from where you were standing,
259
00:12:56,084 --> 00:12:58,347
you didn't do yourself
any favors.
260
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The D.A.'s office is gonna say
that you intentionally deleted
261
00:13:02,003 --> 00:13:04,614
that report
to make it easier for you
262
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to intentionally
plant the evidence.
263
00:13:06,094 --> 00:13:07,879
But that isn't what
actually happened.
264
00:13:07,922 --> 00:13:10,098
Even if it looks like
that's what happened.
265
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It really boils down to this:
either you made a mistake,
266
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or someone, quite possibly you,
is guilty of malfeasance.
267
00:13:15,538 --> 00:13:18,106
BENNY: Well, Danny's already
looking into malfeasance.
268
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She's trying to find anyone
with the means and motive
269
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to have switched out the hairs.
270
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Which in the meantime
leaves us with: mistake.
271
00:13:26,898 --> 00:13:28,856
As I've already explained
to you,
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I don't make
those kinds of mistakes.
273
00:13:31,467 --> 00:13:33,295
Well, then someone else did.
274
00:13:34,906 --> 00:13:36,821
In either event, we need
to follow chain of custody.
275
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I need to know everyone
who had access to that hair.
276
00:13:40,868 --> 00:13:42,914
Julia, can you talk
to my investigator,
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talk to her about how evidence
is catalogued and stored,
278
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who had access,
how they get access?
279
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Of course.Excellent.
280
00:13:49,442 --> 00:13:52,967
Well, then, Mr. Colón and I will
see you in court
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later this afternoon.
282
00:13:56,666 --> 00:13:58,494
Everything all right?
283
00:13:58,538 --> 00:14:00,540
I guess.
284
00:14:00,583 --> 00:14:03,891
I just realized I don't know
where to go.
285
00:14:03,935 --> 00:14:06,676
And what to do until court.
286
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,766
You know, my first instinct
is to rush back to the morgue
287
00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:13,379
and then I remembered
that I can't.
288
00:14:19,689 --> 00:14:21,691
Not to worry.
289
00:14:23,955 --> 00:14:25,913
It is gonna be tough
to find jurors
290
00:14:25,957 --> 00:14:27,262
who aren't put off
by our client.
291
00:14:27,306 --> 00:14:28,916
Mm.
292
00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,877
Maybe we should look for people
who only see the best in others.
293
00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,054
Actually, I was thinking
just the opposite.
294
00:14:36,097 --> 00:14:39,100
What? People who
only see the worst?
295
00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:41,146
You ever heard
of Hanlon's razor?
296
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:42,190
No.
297
00:14:42,234 --> 00:14:43,844
"Never attribute to malice
298
00:14:43,888 --> 00:14:46,673
that which is adequately
explained by stupidity."
299
00:14:46,716 --> 00:14:49,284
We need people who will
look at this situation
300
00:14:49,328 --> 00:14:53,114
Julia's gotten into and think,
"This isn't some big conspiracy.
301
00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:56,117
This is probably
just someone's stupid mistake."
302
00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:58,119
Good afternoon.
303
00:14:58,163 --> 00:15:02,210
So let's say you send
an e-mail to your boss
304
00:15:02,254 --> 00:15:03,908
asking him for time off.
305
00:15:03,951 --> 00:15:06,649
A day goes by
and he doesn't respond.
306
00:15:06,693 --> 00:15:08,042
What do you make of that?
307
00:15:08,086 --> 00:15:09,870
He's busy.
308
00:15:09,914 --> 00:15:11,480
I like her. Tell me
why I shouldn't.
309
00:15:11,524 --> 00:15:13,221
MARISSA:
Jennifer Thomas, single mom,
310
00:15:13,265 --> 00:15:17,051
43 years old, two kids and
you are going to hate this:
311
00:15:17,095 --> 00:15:20,141
she works at an insurance
company as a claims manager.
312
00:15:23,101 --> 00:15:25,059
Can I pick 'em
or can I pick 'em?
313
00:15:25,103 --> 00:15:28,410
Probably spends her days looking
at inflated insurance claims.
314
00:15:28,454 --> 00:15:30,978
She's the very definition
of what we don't want.
315
00:15:31,022 --> 00:15:32,719
We'd like to thank and excuse
this juror, Your Honor.
316
00:15:35,461 --> 00:15:37,419
Personally?
317
00:15:37,463 --> 00:15:40,161
I hate it when people
don't respond to my e-mails.
318
00:15:40,205 --> 00:15:41,771
Why is that?
319
00:15:41,815 --> 00:15:44,949
Well, they're trying to tell me
that I don't matter.
320
00:15:46,341 --> 00:15:48,300
I guess I figured
he didn't get the e-mail,
321
00:15:48,343 --> 00:15:50,476
or maybe he deleted it
by accident.
322
00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:53,479
Because anyone can make
an honest mistake, right?
323
00:15:53,522 --> 00:15:54,741
Sure.
324
00:15:57,048 --> 00:15:59,398
This juror's acceptable
to the defense, Your Honor.
325
00:15:59,441 --> 00:16:03,010
Then, ladies and gentlemen,
we have our jury.
326
00:16:03,054 --> 00:16:05,012
Trial will commence
tomorrow morning.
327
00:16:05,056 --> 00:16:06,231
Court is adjourned.
328
00:16:08,276 --> 00:16:10,365
This thing that you're doing,
it's not gonna work.
329
00:16:10,409 --> 00:16:13,238
I didn't make a mistake.
I don't make mistakes.
330
00:16:13,281 --> 00:16:16,154
You're making one now.
331
00:16:16,197 --> 00:16:18,504
DANNY: So you were the lab tech
on the Malford autopsies?
332
00:16:18,547 --> 00:16:20,158
It made my career. Julia's, too.
333
00:16:20,201 --> 00:16:22,334
I hear she's a tough boss.
334
00:16:22,377 --> 00:16:24,510
She's a little uptight.
335
00:16:24,553 --> 00:16:26,860
But honestly, that's what
you need around here.
336
00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:28,035
And who handled
the evidence
337
00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:29,210
besides Julia?
338
00:16:29,254 --> 00:16:30,646
No one.
339
00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:32,300
Really?
340
00:16:32,344 --> 00:16:35,216
Julia insisted
on doing it all herself.
341
00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,044
All of it?
342
00:16:37,088 --> 00:16:39,046
She was certified to test DNA?
343
00:16:39,090 --> 00:16:42,267
She's kind of a control freak.
344
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:46,097
So she put the hair in the bag,
tested it, sealed it,
345
00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:48,316
signed it into the storage
locker all by herself?
346
00:16:49,883 --> 00:16:51,406
WILLIAMS:
Dr. Henson,
347
00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:53,669
you were
the defendant's supervisor
348
00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:55,323
during the Malford
investigation.
349
00:16:55,367 --> 00:16:58,065
There was a team of us
working on it,
350
00:16:58,109 --> 00:17:00,415
looking for something
of forensic value.
351
00:17:00,459 --> 00:17:02,591
And you didn't find anything,
did you?
352
00:17:02,635 --> 00:17:04,028
No.
353
00:17:04,071 --> 00:17:06,247
But then, something happened.
354
00:17:06,291 --> 00:17:10,512
Dr. Martin stayed on after
we completed the autopsy.
355
00:17:10,556 --> 00:17:12,993
A few hours later,
she notified me,
356
00:17:13,037 --> 00:17:15,126
said she found a hair.
357
00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:17,215
We were all stunned.
358
00:17:17,258 --> 00:17:18,694
Why?
359
00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:21,741
Well, we had searched every inch
of the victim's body.
360
00:17:21,784 --> 00:17:23,830
But you were pleased.Of course.
361
00:17:23,873 --> 00:17:25,310
We all wanted to put an end
362
00:17:25,353 --> 00:17:28,226
to this horrible string
of sexual attacks and murders.
363
00:17:28,269 --> 00:17:31,229
So you were proud of Dr. Martin?
364
00:17:31,272 --> 00:17:34,232
I was proud of our unit.
365
00:17:35,450 --> 00:17:38,018
I sense some hesitation
on your behalf
366
00:17:38,062 --> 00:17:40,020
with regard to Dr. Martin.
367
00:17:40,064 --> 00:17:43,328
She has always been
very diligent.
368
00:17:43,371 --> 00:17:44,720
Very determined.
369
00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:48,985
But frankly, she was
very hard on people.
370
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:51,249
She could be quite arrogant.
371
00:17:53,512 --> 00:17:55,166
Thank you.
372
00:17:55,209 --> 00:17:56,689
Nothing further.
373
00:18:01,172 --> 00:18:03,565
Good morning, Dr. Henson.
374
00:18:03,609 --> 00:18:05,524
I just need you
375
00:18:05,567 --> 00:18:07,526
to clear something up.
376
00:18:07,569 --> 00:18:09,441
You know, in the whole time
that you ran
377
00:18:09,484 --> 00:18:13,880
the medical examiner's office,
you never once did complain
378
00:18:13,923 --> 00:18:17,101
about my client's job
performance, did you?
379
00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:19,668
Not in any
performance review,
380
00:18:19,712 --> 00:18:22,410
not even casually,
in a face-to-face with her, say,
381
00:18:22,454 --> 00:18:24,238
in your office?
382
00:18:24,282 --> 00:18:25,457
No.
383
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,763
And isn't it true
that she replaced you?
384
00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:30,810
That she went from being your
subordinate to your supervisor?
385
00:18:30,853 --> 00:18:32,899
That's not how
I would describe it.
386
00:18:32,942 --> 00:18:35,554
Ah, well, how would
you describe it?
387
00:18:35,597 --> 00:18:39,384
I mean, uh, one day,
she's working for you,
388
00:18:39,427 --> 00:18:42,387
and the next day,
she's your boss.
389
00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:45,085
It stands to reason
that you probably harbor
390
00:18:45,129 --> 00:18:47,522
some resentment towards
Dr. Martin, wouldn't you say?
391
00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:48,784
Objection.
392
00:18:48,828 --> 00:18:50,786
Ask another question.
393
00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:54,921
I mean, she fired you.
394
00:18:54,964 --> 00:18:56,052
Didn't she?
395
00:18:56,096 --> 00:18:57,141
Objection.
396
00:18:57,184 --> 00:18:59,012
What's the relevance?
397
00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:00,796
It goes to bias, Your Honor.
398
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,278
Dr. Henson is using this
courtroom to settle a score.
399
00:19:04,322 --> 00:19:06,193
JUDGE:
Overruled.
400
00:19:06,237 --> 00:19:07,673
Please answer the question.
401
00:19:07,716 --> 00:19:11,242
We had differences of opinion
on a number of cases.
402
00:19:11,285 --> 00:19:15,071
But she has the right to work
with whomever she chooses.
403
00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:21,034
I will admit that I did not like
the way she operated the unit.
404
00:19:21,077 --> 00:19:25,517
In my opinion,
she was obsessive.
405
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,823
Determined to solve any
case, no matter what.
406
00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:32,132
Sometimes even if the forensics
did not bear her out.
407
00:19:32,176 --> 00:19:33,960
BENNY:
But again,
408
00:19:34,003 --> 00:19:36,397
that is your opinion.
409
00:19:36,441 --> 00:19:41,402
The opinion of the man she
replaced and ultimately fired.
410
00:19:43,491 --> 00:19:45,058
Just my opinion.
411
00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:47,626
No further questions,
Your Honor.
412
00:19:52,239 --> 00:19:53,719
This is the last of it.
413
00:19:53,762 --> 00:19:56,852
Every piece of information
about the hair that exists.
414
00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,333
Your original analysis,
your second analysis,
415
00:19:59,377 --> 00:20:03,032
the independent analysis,
photos, storage data.
416
00:20:08,734 --> 00:20:10,692
Anything jumping out at you?
417
00:20:10,736 --> 00:20:12,520
Not yet.
418
00:20:12,564 --> 00:20:14,696
I'm not trying to get out
of anything, but honestly,
419
00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:17,221
I have no idea
what I'm reading here.
420
00:20:17,264 --> 00:20:18,483
Just give it to me.
421
00:20:19,527 --> 00:20:21,529
You, too.
Give me yours.
422
00:20:29,972 --> 00:20:33,019
You don't have to sit here.
I don't need a babysitter.
423
00:20:36,152 --> 00:20:37,458
I'll be in my office.
424
00:20:37,502 --> 00:20:39,373
I'll be in my bed.
425
00:20:55,215 --> 00:20:57,130
Should I come back?
426
00:20:57,173 --> 00:20:59,306
Of course not. What's up?
427
00:20:59,350 --> 00:21:00,568
Pollen.
428
00:21:00,612 --> 00:21:02,527
Excuse me?
429
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:04,790
The hair all the outside labs
have been testing
430
00:21:04,833 --> 00:21:07,096
is covered with pollen.
431
00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:09,447
And that matters because...?
432
00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:11,362
Well, to begin with,
it makes me wonder
433
00:21:11,405 --> 00:21:13,755
whether the hair is actually
a pubic hair at all.
434
00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:17,150
And if so, how it possibly
came into contact with pollen.
435
00:21:17,193 --> 00:21:20,545
Well, I'm sure,
with a little imagination,
436
00:21:20,588 --> 00:21:22,721
someone will come up
with a scenario.
437
00:21:22,764 --> 00:21:26,246
Emily was murdered
in the dead of winter.
438
00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:30,511
And in the dead of winter,
there is no pollen.
439
00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:35,516
This is not the hair
I found on Emily's body.
440
00:21:42,741 --> 00:21:44,133
CHUNK:
Dr. Martin,
441
00:21:44,177 --> 00:21:45,700
isn't it true that
the night that you
442
00:21:45,744 --> 00:21:49,182
found the sole piece of DNA
evidence against Mr. Malford,
443
00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,358
that everyone had gone home
444
00:21:51,402 --> 00:21:54,143
and you were completely alone
with the victim's body?
445
00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:56,755
Yes.And do you regularly
446
00:21:56,798 --> 00:21:58,974
perform autopsies alone,
447
00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:01,368
late at night, when everyone's
gone home for the day?
448
00:22:01,412 --> 00:22:02,630
Yes.
449
00:22:02,674 --> 00:22:04,502
And why is that?
450
00:22:04,545 --> 00:22:07,331
I have a really
particular skill set,
451
00:22:07,374 --> 00:22:09,376
and I find
that skill set works best
452
00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:11,335
when there's just two of us
in the room.
453
00:22:11,378 --> 00:22:13,685
Myself, and the cadaver.
454
00:22:13,728 --> 00:22:17,645
Other people really just end up
being distractions.
455
00:22:17,689 --> 00:22:20,387
All right.
Let's talk about that.
456
00:22:20,431 --> 00:22:22,563
When you say that other people
are distractions,
457
00:22:22,607 --> 00:22:26,088
it sounds very... negative.
458
00:22:26,132 --> 00:22:27,307
Very dismissive.
459
00:22:27,351 --> 00:22:28,917
One could easily get
the impression
460
00:22:28,961 --> 00:22:31,137
that you just don't like people.
461
00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:34,488
And we want the
jurors to like you.
462
00:22:34,532 --> 00:22:37,099
And it helps if they think
you might like them.
463
00:22:37,143 --> 00:22:40,364
I don't know them.
464
00:22:40,407 --> 00:22:41,669
Of course.
465
00:22:41,713 --> 00:22:46,413
Okay, um, let's forget
that line of thinking.
466
00:22:46,457 --> 00:22:48,981
Here's another reason
why saying you find
467
00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:52,201
other people distracting might
not serve your best interests:
468
00:22:52,245 --> 00:22:54,203
anything that makes it sound
like you don't like
469
00:22:54,247 --> 00:22:56,423
having people around
when you do your work
470
00:22:56,467 --> 00:22:58,425
might make the jurors
think that you don't
471
00:22:58,469 --> 00:23:01,210
want company because
it makes it harder
472
00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:03,517
to manipulate evidence.
473
00:23:05,214 --> 00:23:06,868
You see that, right?
474
00:23:06,912 --> 00:23:09,436
I don't manipulate evidence.I know that.
475
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,960
But you're-you're talking
to people who don't know you.
476
00:23:12,004 --> 00:23:15,399
So how would you suggest
I answer that?
477
00:23:15,442 --> 00:23:19,228
Well, maybe there's another
reason you work late
478
00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:21,448
that wouldn't lead them
to the same conclusion.
479
00:23:21,492 --> 00:23:25,104
Maybe you find it
impossible to sleep
480
00:23:25,147 --> 00:23:26,453
when there are grieving
friends and relatives
481
00:23:26,497 --> 00:23:28,412
out there waiting for answers
482
00:23:28,455 --> 00:23:31,240
as to what happened
to their loved ones?
483
00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:34,418
I can't say that.
That's-that's not the truth.
484
00:23:34,461 --> 00:23:36,028
Maybe there's a truth
485
00:23:36,071 --> 00:23:39,074
that's more palatable
to the jury.
486
00:23:39,118 --> 00:23:44,471
Mr. Palmer, I'm a scientist,
and scientists deal with facts.
487
00:23:44,515 --> 00:23:48,083
There is one truth,
there's one right answer.
488
00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:52,479
If you ask me a question, I am
going to give you that truth.
489
00:23:52,523 --> 00:23:54,568
As to whether it's palatable,
490
00:23:54,612 --> 00:23:56,788
that's not something
I've ever concerned myself with.
491
00:23:56,831 --> 00:23:58,920
Well, it ought to be, because
you're gonna be spending
492
00:23:58,964 --> 00:24:01,488
ten years in prison for
something that you didn't do
493
00:24:01,532 --> 00:24:03,577
if we can't make the
jury understand
494
00:24:03,621 --> 00:24:05,231
your side of the story.
495
00:24:05,274 --> 00:24:07,799
Okay, again, there is
no "my side" of the story.
496
00:24:07,842 --> 00:24:09,191
There is what happened,
497
00:24:09,235 --> 00:24:11,455
and there is
what did not happen.
498
00:24:11,498 --> 00:24:15,023
There is truth and fact,
and there is falsehood.
499
00:24:15,067 --> 00:24:18,549
You can't spin the truth,
you cannot polish it up
500
00:24:18,592 --> 00:24:21,465
or put lipstick on a pig,
which is what I feel like
501
00:24:21,508 --> 00:24:22,727
you're trying to do
to me right now.
502
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:24,468
I am what I am.
503
00:24:24,511 --> 00:24:26,600
I did what I did, and I don't
regret a minute of it
504
00:24:26,644 --> 00:24:30,517
because I did it
all by the book.
505
00:24:30,561 --> 00:24:32,998
So are we done here?
506
00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:36,262
It certainly seems that way.
507
00:24:36,305 --> 00:24:37,698
You talk to Chunk?Sure did.
508
00:24:37,742 --> 00:24:39,570
You still want to put her
on the stand?
509
00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:41,006
I do.
510
00:24:41,049 --> 00:24:42,921
He said that
she's fundamentally incapable
511
00:24:42,964 --> 00:24:45,532
of shading her answers
even one iota.
512
00:24:45,576 --> 00:24:48,404
Even at the risk of sending
herself to prison.
513
00:24:48,448 --> 00:24:50,363
I'm waiting for the bad news.
514
00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:52,583
I'm pretty sure I just
gave you the bad news.
515
00:24:52,626 --> 00:24:55,281
So the truth is, this woman
can't even fudge the facts
516
00:24:55,324 --> 00:24:56,978
to keep herself out of jail.
517
00:24:57,022 --> 00:24:59,546
Now we just have to get a jury
to understand that that means
518
00:24:59,590 --> 00:25:01,592
she couldn't possibly
have fudged them
519
00:25:01,635 --> 00:25:04,116
to put someone else behind bars.
520
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:05,552
BENNY:
We've heard a lot
521
00:25:05,596 --> 00:25:08,686
about the fact
that you like to work alone
522
00:25:08,729 --> 00:25:10,688
and often late at night.
523
00:25:10,731 --> 00:25:12,559
Can you please tell us
524
00:25:12,603 --> 00:25:15,214
why that's your practice,
Dr. Martin?
525
00:25:15,257 --> 00:25:19,044
I'm not good with people.
526
00:25:20,741 --> 00:25:23,091
I know how
that sounds.
527
00:25:23,135 --> 00:25:25,398
Trust me, it's not made me
a lot of friends.
528
00:25:27,574 --> 00:25:29,707
But I am good
at my job.
529
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,144
I'm great at my job.
530
00:25:32,187 --> 00:25:34,233
And in order to be
the best at my job,
531
00:25:34,276 --> 00:25:36,017
I have to be able
to concentrate.
532
00:25:36,061 --> 00:25:38,977
I have to know that every single
step of that process
533
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:42,284
was done
with precision and care.
534
00:25:42,328 --> 00:25:44,939
And if I do every step myself,
I don't have to worry
535
00:25:44,983 --> 00:25:46,593
that it wasn't done properly.
536
00:25:46,637 --> 00:25:49,509
I don't have to worry
537
00:25:49,553 --> 00:25:51,990
that I offended someone
because I criticized them
538
00:25:52,033 --> 00:25:53,992
for making a mistake.
539
00:25:54,035 --> 00:25:55,602
Or that I forgot
to praise someone
540
00:25:55,646 --> 00:25:57,778
for just doing their job.
541
00:25:57,822 --> 00:26:02,435
So what do you say
to the allegations
542
00:26:02,478 --> 00:26:04,655
that you falsified evidence
543
00:26:04,698 --> 00:26:07,614
in order to get a conviction
against John Malford?
544
00:26:07,658 --> 00:26:10,008
I would say that's ridiculous.
545
00:26:10,051 --> 00:26:12,445
I don't care about John Malford.
546
00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:15,056
I have never cared
about who gets convicted.
547
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,450
That's not
a win for me.
548
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:20,235
A win for me is finding
the right answer.
549
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:23,978
It's solving the puzzle,
it's making the crime stop.
550
00:26:24,022 --> 00:26:26,633
I do crosswords a lot.
551
00:26:26,677 --> 00:26:29,680
And they have
these new apps now.
552
00:26:29,723 --> 00:26:32,726
If you get stuck, you can prompt
it, and it'll give you a word,
553
00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:34,336
or it will give you a letter.
554
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:37,470
And I would...
I would just never do that.
555
00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:40,125
I would never
want to do that,
556
00:26:40,168 --> 00:26:43,345
because having
a filled-out crossword,
557
00:26:43,389 --> 00:26:45,739
that does nothing for me.
558
00:26:45,783 --> 00:26:50,788
But solving it myself, that's
the part that's satisfying.
559
00:26:50,831 --> 00:26:55,662
So no, I would never falsify
evidence to get a conviction,
560
00:26:55,706 --> 00:26:59,187
because then I would
never really know who did it.
561
00:26:59,231 --> 00:27:01,712
I wouldn't solve the puzzle.
562
00:27:01,755 --> 00:27:05,759
If you cheat,
you never find the truth.
563
00:27:09,197 --> 00:27:10,764
Marissa?
564
00:27:10,808 --> 00:27:12,461
MARISSA:
No movement yet,
565
00:27:12,505 --> 00:27:14,899
but they clearly want
to believe her.
566
00:27:14,942 --> 00:27:17,597
Baby steps.
567
00:27:19,077 --> 00:27:22,646
I'm starting to think Chunk
doesn't know his own strength.
568
00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:24,430
Kept telling me she was
hopeless, but he actually
569
00:27:24,473 --> 00:27:27,651
turned her into
a very effective witness.
570
00:27:27,694 --> 00:27:32,351
Ah, speak of the devil.Oh...
571
00:27:32,394 --> 00:27:34,701
What have we here?
572
00:27:34,745 --> 00:27:36,616
TAYLOR:
Well,
573
00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:38,792
I wasn't able to connect Malford
directly to any of the people
574
00:27:38,836 --> 00:27:40,707
who worked at the medical
examiner's office,
575
00:27:40,751 --> 00:27:43,362
but then Danny had a great idea.DANNY: Serial killers
576
00:27:43,405 --> 00:27:45,581
like Malford tend to attract
obsessive fans.
577
00:27:45,625 --> 00:27:47,148
Total strangers who begin
to believe they have
578
00:27:47,192 --> 00:27:49,368
an intimate relationship
with these killers.
579
00:27:49,411 --> 00:27:51,370
Excessive adoration disorder.
580
00:27:51,413 --> 00:27:53,546
Oh, yeah.
I've heard of this.
581
00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:57,289
Crazy ladies who marry prisoners
they've never met before.
582
00:27:57,332 --> 00:27:59,683
Well, they're not all ladies
and they don't all get married,
583
00:27:59,726 --> 00:28:02,381
but yes, that's what
we're talking about.
584
00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:03,817
Malford hasn't had a
jailhouse wedding yet,
585
00:28:03,861 --> 00:28:06,298
but he does have
quite the fan club.
586
00:28:06,341 --> 00:28:08,604
TAYLOR: Our guy's gotten
thousands of letters,
587
00:28:08,648 --> 00:28:10,563
and he's responded
to hundreds of them.
588
00:28:10,606 --> 00:28:12,478
CHUNK: The good news is,
Sing Sing keeps a scan
589
00:28:12,521 --> 00:28:13,697
of all incoming
and outgoing mail,
590
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:15,916
and they gave Taylor access.
591
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,179
Any one of these admirers
sound like they'd be willing
592
00:28:18,223 --> 00:28:19,746
to help Malford
break out of prison?
593
00:28:19,790 --> 00:28:20,965
TAYLOR:
Oh, yeah.
594
00:28:21,008 --> 00:28:22,749
There's no shortage of those.
595
00:28:22,793 --> 00:28:25,099
But we're still talking
about over two dozen people.
596
00:28:25,143 --> 00:28:26,710
The math is not encouraging.
597
00:28:26,753 --> 00:28:28,537
More than 80 people had access
598
00:28:28,581 --> 00:28:30,583
to the evidence
storage facility.
599
00:28:30,626 --> 00:28:32,150
More than two dozen crazies
writing love letters.
600
00:28:32,193 --> 00:28:34,892
BENNY: That's a
lot of leads
601
00:28:34,935 --> 00:28:37,285
to be running down in
the middle of a trial.
602
00:28:37,329 --> 00:28:39,244
We don't have the time.
603
00:28:39,287 --> 00:28:40,898
I'm betting a day,
maybe two,
604
00:28:40,941 --> 00:28:44,118
before the judge forces
us to rest our case.
605
00:28:44,162 --> 00:28:46,904
Maybe we should just
go right to the source.
606
00:28:47,905 --> 00:28:49,515
Excuse me?
607
00:28:49,558 --> 00:28:51,865
See how early Benny and I
can get into Sing Sing tomorrow
608
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:53,780
to talk with John Malford.
609
00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,783
Uh-- John Malford?
Seriously?
610
00:28:56,827 --> 00:28:59,873
Yeah. Sometimes the shortest
distance between two points
611
00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:01,483
is a straight line.
612
00:29:01,527 --> 00:29:03,834
We need to figure out
who's helping this guy
613
00:29:03,877 --> 00:29:07,489
break out of prison;
why don't we just go ask him?
614
00:29:16,237 --> 00:29:17,761
So what's
the game plan here, boss?
615
00:29:17,804 --> 00:29:19,850
I just want to look him
in the eye, see what I see.
616
00:29:19,893 --> 00:29:21,852
Maybe he'll offer something
useful, maybe he won't.
617
00:29:21,895 --> 00:29:24,506
Serial killers tend to be
outsized narcissists.
618
00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:27,118
Nothing they like to talk
about more than themselves.
619
00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:29,381
I just want to
get him talking.
620
00:29:33,211 --> 00:29:35,953
Ryan, good to see you.
621
00:29:35,996 --> 00:29:37,911
I didn't know you'd
be joining us.
622
00:29:37,955 --> 00:29:39,130
Benny, Dr. Bull, pleasure.
623
00:29:40,784 --> 00:29:43,003
When the prison informed me
you'd requested a meeting,
624
00:29:43,047 --> 00:29:44,788
I thought it wise to sit in.
625
00:29:44,831 --> 00:29:46,093
BULL:
Of course.
626
00:29:46,137 --> 00:29:47,921
Just to be clear,
this was all very last minute.
627
00:29:47,965 --> 00:29:50,097
Nobody's trying to
pull a fast one...
628
00:29:50,141 --> 00:29:51,925
Never even crossed my mind.
629
00:29:51,969 --> 00:29:54,014
Just want to be certain
everyone remembers,
630
00:29:54,058 --> 00:29:55,929
my client isn't on trial.
631
00:29:55,973 --> 00:29:57,235
Yours is.
632
00:29:57,278 --> 00:30:00,020
Oh, I think we're all
very clear about that.
633
00:30:02,022 --> 00:30:03,589
You must be Mr. Malford.
634
00:30:03,632 --> 00:30:05,634
Yeah. John.
635
00:30:05,678 --> 00:30:07,027
Who are you?
636
00:30:07,071 --> 00:30:08,115
RYAN: These are the
gentlemen representing
637
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:09,682
the medical examiner
638
00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:11,858
who falsified the evidence
that got you locked up, John.
639
00:30:11,902 --> 00:30:13,251
Hmm.
640
00:30:13,294 --> 00:30:14,905
RYAN:
So...
641
00:30:14,948 --> 00:30:16,820
what can we do for you?
642
00:30:16,863 --> 00:30:18,386
Well, we just wanted
to get a look at the man
643
00:30:18,430 --> 00:30:20,562
who's at the center of our case.
644
00:30:20,606 --> 00:30:22,434
How you holding up
in here, John?
645
00:30:22,477 --> 00:30:24,610
Holding up good.
646
00:30:24,653 --> 00:30:27,787
Working out, food's okay.
647
00:30:27,831 --> 00:30:29,789
How's your head?
648
00:30:29,833 --> 00:30:32,661
You lonely?
You have any friends?
649
00:30:32,705 --> 00:30:34,925
Oh, yeah. I got friends.
650
00:30:34,968 --> 00:30:36,796
Inside and outside.
651
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,624
BULL:
Aha.
652
00:30:38,667 --> 00:30:40,626
How do you mean, "outside"?
653
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:41,888
Oh, you know.
654
00:30:41,932 --> 00:30:46,501
I get letters, pictures.
People want to visit.
655
00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:50,505
Want to, um, make friends.
656
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:52,899
Women.
Mm.
657
00:30:52,943 --> 00:30:57,077
Oh. That sounds like a...
great life.
658
00:30:57,121 --> 00:31:00,646
Some of those pictures
are naked.
659
00:31:00,689 --> 00:31:02,953
RYAN: So, you two working
for the prison now?
660
00:31:02,996 --> 00:31:05,738
Hmm? Conducting a customer
satisfaction survey?
661
00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:08,001
The point is, John here's
been a model prisoner,
662
00:31:08,045 --> 00:31:10,047
he's adapted to prison life
flawlessly.
663
00:31:10,090 --> 00:31:13,572
Not a black mark on his record
to hinder his appeal.
664
00:31:13,615 --> 00:31:16,488
Ah. Right. John's appeal.
665
00:31:16,531 --> 00:31:18,925
Hey, I-I've got to ask,
666
00:31:18,969 --> 00:31:21,623
why even bother
with the appeal?
667
00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:23,756
You seem so content.
668
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,105
Because he's innocent.
669
00:31:25,149 --> 00:31:27,151
JOHN:
What do I care
670
00:31:27,194 --> 00:31:30,154
if this guy wants to
push some papers around?
671
00:31:30,197 --> 00:31:31,416
No skin off my back.
672
00:31:31,459 --> 00:31:32,939
I mean, what's the worst
thing that happens?
673
00:31:32,983 --> 00:31:36,116
I actually... get out?
674
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,989
You're right.
675
00:31:39,032 --> 00:31:40,729
No harm, no foul.
676
00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:44,298
This has been great.
677
00:31:44,342 --> 00:31:47,388
Really... helpful.
678
00:31:47,432 --> 00:31:49,173
Mr. Vance.
679
00:31:49,216 --> 00:31:51,392
Mr. Malford.
680
00:31:53,699 --> 00:31:55,875
Hey, why'd you cut bait
like that?
681
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:57,964
The guy was just warming up.
682
00:31:58,008 --> 00:32:00,140
Maybe we could've gotten a name,
683
00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:02,316
maybe found our inside man
at the morgue.
684
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,058
There is no name.
685
00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:06,755
There is no inside man
at the morgue.
686
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:07,974
How do you mean?
687
00:32:09,976 --> 00:32:12,196
Did Malford seem like
he'd even contemplated
688
00:32:12,239 --> 00:32:13,719
life outside of prison?
689
00:32:13,762 --> 00:32:16,374
No. It didn't seem like
690
00:32:16,417 --> 00:32:18,942
he actually cared much
about his appeal at all.
691
00:32:18,985 --> 00:32:20,987
Exactly. He also showed
very little interest
692
00:32:21,031 --> 00:32:22,206
in Julia's case.
693
00:32:22,249 --> 00:32:24,425
Now, if this guy spent
the last six years
694
00:32:24,469 --> 00:32:27,863
hatching this scheme and
manipulating some admirer
695
00:32:27,907 --> 00:32:29,300
to do his bidding,
don't you think he'd be
696
00:32:29,343 --> 00:32:31,302
a little more invested
in the fruits of his labor?
697
00:32:31,345 --> 00:32:33,826
So, Malford didn't do it?
698
00:32:33,869 --> 00:32:36,089
Malford didn't change
the evidence?
699
00:32:36,133 --> 00:32:37,525
Back to square one?
700
00:32:37,569 --> 00:32:40,485
Maybe not.
701
00:32:40,528 --> 00:32:43,096
Malford might have no
interest in Julia's case,
702
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:46,317
but someone put
this thing in motion.
703
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,319
Who do you mean?
704
00:32:49,624 --> 00:32:51,757
Ryan? No.
705
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,455
Ryan's his lawyer.
He's just doing his job.
706
00:32:54,499 --> 00:32:57,371
You don't think it strange
that he was there
707
00:32:57,415 --> 00:33:00,157
at that meeting just now,
or that he has been
708
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,724
in court every day
of Julia's trial?
709
00:33:05,205 --> 00:33:06,380
I don't know, Bull.
710
00:33:06,424 --> 00:33:10,254
Ryan is not my favorite guy,
711
00:33:10,297 --> 00:33:13,126
but what does he care
if Julia goes down?
712
00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:15,259
I'm not sure.
713
00:33:15,302 --> 00:33:16,869
I'm just telling you
what I see.
714
00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:24,268
Since we moved off
the fangirl theory
715
00:33:24,311 --> 00:33:26,139
and onto Malford's lawyer,
716
00:33:26,183 --> 00:33:27,923
I circled back
to the 80 people
717
00:33:27,967 --> 00:33:29,838
who had access to the
evidence storage facility
718
00:33:29,882 --> 00:33:31,840
at the medical examiner's
office to see if I could
719
00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:33,407
try to find some
kind of link.
720
00:33:33,451 --> 00:33:35,844
We never did do a deep dive
into any of their finances,
721
00:33:35,888 --> 00:33:37,455
because Malford was broke,
722
00:33:37,498 --> 00:33:39,500
so it didn't seem
particularly relevant.
723
00:33:39,544 --> 00:33:43,504
But Malford's attorney,
Mr. Ryan Vance, Esquire, is not.
724
00:33:43,548 --> 00:33:45,202
He has plenty of money
to pay off
725
00:33:45,245 --> 00:33:46,986
an overworked,
underpaid lab tech.
726
00:33:47,030 --> 00:33:48,814
Like Skylar Brown.
727
00:33:48,857 --> 00:33:51,599
Skylar was wrestling with a
significant amount of debt.
728
00:33:51,643 --> 00:33:53,732
She maxed out four
credit cards and has
729
00:33:53,775 --> 00:33:55,299
two delinquent
homeowner loans.
730
00:33:55,342 --> 00:33:57,518
But, coincidentally,
Skylar seems to have had
731
00:33:57,562 --> 00:33:59,477
a financial windfall,
732
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,131
just three weeks prior
733
00:34:01,174 --> 00:34:02,654
to the independent analysis
of Malford's hair.
734
00:34:02,697 --> 00:34:05,744
A cash deposit,
$60,000,
735
00:34:05,787 --> 00:34:07,267
straight into her
personal checking account.
736
00:34:07,311 --> 00:34:11,010
Hmm. Okay, $60,000 question.
737
00:34:11,054 --> 00:34:13,099
Can we tie any of this cash
back to Ryan Vance?
738
00:34:13,143 --> 00:34:15,623
Not yet, but we are
gonna keep at it.
739
00:34:16,972 --> 00:34:18,800
I feel the heat all
the way over here.
740
00:34:18,844 --> 00:34:20,106
Something not
clicking for you?
741
00:34:20,150 --> 00:34:24,067
I got everything but the "why."
742
00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:27,113
Why would a successful attorney
like Ryan Vance
743
00:34:27,157 --> 00:34:31,422
put his entire livelihood,
his entire legacy on the line
744
00:34:31,465 --> 00:34:35,252
for a rapist and a murderer
like John Malford?
745
00:34:35,295 --> 00:34:37,123
So...
746
00:34:37,167 --> 00:34:39,343
why frame Julia?
747
00:34:39,386 --> 00:34:41,562
Why go to all the trouble?
748
00:34:41,606 --> 00:34:43,956
Why risk putting
a homicidal sexual predator
749
00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,002
back on the street, earn
the enmity of the D.A.'s office
750
00:34:47,046 --> 00:34:51,920
by forcing them to reopen every
case where Julia's evidence
751
00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:53,966
put someone away?
752
00:34:56,142 --> 00:34:58,710
Why?
753
00:34:58,753 --> 00:35:00,973
What are you thinking?
754
00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:02,931
Taylor, how long
do you think it'd take
755
00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:05,673
to get a list
of Ryan Vance's other clients?
756
00:35:05,717 --> 00:35:08,154
The other clients that are
currently incarcerated?
757
00:35:08,198 --> 00:35:10,939
I'm kind of
in the middle of something...
758
00:35:10,983 --> 00:35:13,594
I don't care. I want that list.
759
00:35:13,638 --> 00:35:15,248
BENNY:
With Your Honor's approval,
760
00:35:15,292 --> 00:35:18,730
we'd like to call the person
sitting in the third row,
761
00:35:18,773 --> 00:35:22,603
John Malford's attorney
Ryan Vance, to the stand.
762
00:35:22,647 --> 00:35:24,431
JUDGE: Has the defense
subpoenaed Mr. Vance?
763
00:35:24,475 --> 00:35:25,867
We don't typically allow
764
00:35:25,911 --> 00:35:28,479
those seated in the gallery
to testify.
765
00:35:28,522 --> 00:35:30,089
Yes, we're aware of that,
Your Honor.
766
00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:32,222
But we're hoping
that the court will see fit
767
00:35:32,265 --> 00:35:34,354
to grant us this approval.RYAN: Your Honor,
768
00:35:34,398 --> 00:35:36,356
I'm sorry, I-- this is the first
I'm hearing of this.
769
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,575
BENNY:
Mr. Vance's
770
00:35:37,618 --> 00:35:39,707
petition
for the independent analysis
771
00:35:39,751 --> 00:35:41,622
of the Malford
evidence
772
00:35:41,666 --> 00:35:43,233
initiated this whole trial.
773
00:35:43,276 --> 00:35:45,887
I'd merely like him to speak
774
00:35:45,931 --> 00:35:49,282
to the history of how
that new analysis came to be.
775
00:35:50,762 --> 00:35:53,286
All right. I'll allow it.
776
00:35:53,330 --> 00:35:56,594
BENNY: So Mr. Vance,
when you requested
777
00:35:56,637 --> 00:35:58,596
an independent examination
of the evidence
778
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,382
in the John Malford case,
did you know a negative match
779
00:36:02,426 --> 00:36:06,081
would call into question
the professional conduct
780
00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:09,172
and scientific expertise
of my client,
781
00:36:09,215 --> 00:36:11,304
Dr. Julia Martin?
782
00:36:11,348 --> 00:36:12,958
That would be
a natural consequence.
783
00:36:13,001 --> 00:36:15,352
She did perform
the original analysis.
784
00:36:19,573 --> 00:36:21,793
Isn't it true
785
00:36:21,836 --> 00:36:25,188
that other cases will be
reexamined as a result
786
00:36:25,231 --> 00:36:27,712
of Dr. Martin's prosecution?
787
00:36:27,755 --> 00:36:31,977
Countless other criminals,
murderers, rapists and thieves
788
00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:34,458
are going to file for dismissal
of their sentences.
789
00:36:34,501 --> 00:36:37,200
As well they should be, yes.
790
00:36:37,243 --> 00:36:42,814
Ah. I-Isn't it also true
that you are the sole owner
791
00:36:42,857 --> 00:36:48,167
of Barnaby Bank
account number 00403010?
792
00:36:48,211 --> 00:36:50,561
I don't know, I...
It very well could be.
793
00:36:50,604 --> 00:36:52,171
I don't have
my account number memorized.
794
00:36:52,215 --> 00:36:56,523
I do bank at Barnaby,
so yes, I suppose.
795
00:36:56,567 --> 00:37:01,224
A-And isn't it also true that
you withdrew $60,000 in cash
796
00:37:01,267 --> 00:37:03,530
on September 21st
from this account?
797
00:37:03,574 --> 00:37:05,837
Again, it's months ago.
798
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,317
I don't have
every transaction memorized,
799
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,058
so yes, it's possible,
it sounds possible.
800
00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:12,931
If you say so.
801
00:37:12,974 --> 00:37:15,020
Well, it's not me saying it.
802
00:37:15,063 --> 00:37:16,717
Your Honor,
803
00:37:16,761 --> 00:37:19,590
these are Mr. Vance's
bank records
804
00:37:19,633 --> 00:37:22,288
for the month of September.
805
00:37:22,332 --> 00:37:26,031
I'd ask that you mark them
806
00:37:26,074 --> 00:37:28,120
as defense exhibit
number 14.
807
00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:29,730
So marked.
808
00:37:29,774 --> 00:37:34,169
And lastly,
do you know a Skylar Brown?
809
00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,476
RYAN:
Uh...
810
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,523
Uh, name rings a bell.
I-I can't be certain, though.
811
00:37:39,566 --> 00:37:42,003
Well, she's an employee
of the medical examiner's office
812
00:37:42,047 --> 00:37:45,833
with full access
to all evidence storage.
813
00:37:45,877 --> 00:37:48,749
Including DNA samples.Objection, Your Honor.
Relevance?
814
00:37:48,793 --> 00:37:51,143
I'm moments away,
Your Honor, I promise.
815
00:37:51,186 --> 00:37:53,276
I certainly hope so. Overruled.
816
00:37:53,319 --> 00:37:54,668
Isn't it strange
817
00:37:54,712 --> 00:37:58,498
that just two days after
you made your withdrawal,
818
00:37:58,542 --> 00:38:01,109
Skylar Brown paid off
all of her credit cards,
819
00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:04,112
her delinquent loans?
820
00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:06,854
All of her
outstanding debts?
821
00:38:06,898 --> 00:38:11,903
Following a deposit
of exactly $60,000 in cash
822
00:38:11,946 --> 00:38:13,687
into her
checking account?
823
00:38:13,731 --> 00:38:17,822
I wouldn't say strange.
I might say coincidental.
824
00:38:17,865 --> 00:38:20,259
Ah.
825
00:38:20,303 --> 00:38:22,043
How old were you
when your brother
826
00:38:22,087 --> 00:38:23,393
was convicted of murder?
827
00:38:26,874 --> 00:38:28,833
I really don't think
that has anything to do
828
00:38:28,876 --> 00:38:30,400
with the business at hand.
829
00:38:30,443 --> 00:38:35,056
I-Isn't your brother Trevor
one of your clients?
830
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:40,279
And wasn't the evidence in his
case also assessed by my client,
831
00:38:40,323 --> 00:38:42,629
Dr. Julia Martin?
832
00:38:42,673 --> 00:38:45,328
And if Dr. Martin
is found guilty,
833
00:38:45,371 --> 00:38:48,156
isn't Trevor's conviction
likely to be overturned,
834
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,333
just like John Malford's?
835
00:38:50,376 --> 00:38:52,117
And isn't that
why you paid
836
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,817
Skylar Brown $60,000,
837
00:38:56,861 --> 00:38:58,210
to replace the hair
that was used
838
00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:01,256
to convict your client,
John Malford?
839
00:39:05,348 --> 00:39:07,132
JUDGE:
Mr. Vance,
840
00:39:07,175 --> 00:39:09,177
do you need
the question repeated?
841
00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:13,399
Oh, that's all right,
Your Honor.
842
00:39:13,443 --> 00:39:16,446
I think the jury already has
their answer.
843
00:39:16,489 --> 00:39:18,186
No further questions.
844
00:39:22,626 --> 00:39:25,585
Is the prosecution prepared
to cross-examine the witness?
845
00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:32,636
Actually, no.
846
00:39:34,115 --> 00:39:37,771
But we are prepared,
based on Ryan Vance's testimony
847
00:39:37,815 --> 00:39:41,296
and the evidence presented
by Mr. Colón,
848
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:42,646
to withdraw our charges
849
00:39:42,689 --> 00:39:44,648
against Dr. Martin...
850
00:39:46,258 --> 00:39:47,955
...and offer our apologies.
851
00:39:58,662 --> 00:40:01,404
Thank you.You're welcome.
852
00:40:20,248 --> 00:40:24,557
Oh, Dr. Martin, it's 2:00 in the
morning, and I heard a noise.
853
00:40:24,601 --> 00:40:27,995
No one else is here, you know,
and I was just about to leave.
854
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:29,910
You gonna be okay?
855
00:40:29,954 --> 00:40:32,913
I'm going to be perfect.
856
00:41:27,751 --> 00:41:29,753
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