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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,455 This program me contains some strong language 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:05,895 Hi, team. Hello. Hello. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,455 Are we ready to talk witches? 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,775 We are ready. How are you feeling? 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,735 I'm good. I'm feeling it, yes, I'm feeling witchy. 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,095 I'm Surannejones. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,855 And for as long as I can remember, I've been intrigued 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,655 by the idea of witches. 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,015 I love that, yeah. 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,855 BLEEP the cleaning - I'm going to ride the broomstick. 11 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:25,895 Exactly! 12 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,455 No, Jackson, don't follow me. 13 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,375 Shall I send you one and you can respond? 14 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,495 Yeah. 15 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,095 THEY HOWL LIKE WOLVES 16 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,655 But for much of history, 17 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,175 witches and witchcraft have been viewed with fear and suspicion. 18 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,855 You have 200 years where women are terrified of being called a witch. 19 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,175 I'm going on an epic journey to uncover what led 20 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,255 to some of the biggest trials in history. 21 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,975 There is a worry that witches are rampant, 22 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,375 and they are out to hurt the King and society. 23 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,655 Starting in Pendle, close to where I was born... 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,375 This is the dungeon where the witches were imprisoned. 25 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,655 Oh, my gosh. 26 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,495 ..|'ll travel to Germany... 27 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:14,655 If disaster strikes, we become ready to see evil in other people. 28 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,295 ...and to the American town of Salem - site of the most 29 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:20,935 infamous witch trials of all... 30 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:26,095 If it was the last moment I was to live, God knows I am innocent. 31 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,495 ...to discover why so many women were accused of witchcraft... 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,975 This really laid the foundations for a hundred thousand 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,895 trials of witches, 75% of whom were women. 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,575 ...and what their history means for us today. 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,575 Women were silenced, women didn't have a voice, 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,775 they were repressed. 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,335 And it has been repeated and repeated and repeated. 38 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,855 What do people think that they are going to achieve by sending those? 39 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,295 They want to shut you up. 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,295 They want you to be so scared that you'll stop talking. 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,295 Argh! Yes! ARGHHH! 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,255 As an actor, 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,215 I've always loved strong female roles. 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,615 But I've never played a witch. 45 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,615 I guess for most people a witch is... 46 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:25,535 ...a pointy hat, green skin, old, crone, 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,975 one eye up here and one eye down there 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,055 and she laughs like this. SHE CACKLES 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,495 Ooh, that's a good laugh, I'm taking that. 50 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,895 Someone cast me as a witch. I mean, come on. 51 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:42,335 Growing up, I would much rather play the witch. 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,735 To me it's just always been more intriguing. 53 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,575 Popular culture has given us countless portrayals of the witch, 54 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,175 from fairytale crone to magical teenager. 55 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,535 But none of these get us anywhere close 56 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,975 to how dark the real story is. 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,975 The story of the thousands of women who were accused of witchcraft in 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,215 the 17th century. 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,855 And to understand that, I need to head north. 60 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,575 Sol grew up in Oldham, it's near Pendle, 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,855 near enough, certainly, to know about the Pendle Witches. 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,335 In 1612, ten people from the area of Pendle were executed 63 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,295 for witchcraft, eight of them were women. 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,615 It's one of the most notorious executions 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,975 for witchcraft in English history. 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,455 So this area is called the Forest of Boland 67 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,335 and the walk that I'm doing now is what's known as 68 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,095 the walk that the witches did. 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,535 Ancl they knew that in all likelihood they would be walking 70 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,535 to their death. 71 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,015 I mean, that just gives me a chill. 72 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,815 By exploring what happened here in Lancashire, 73 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,535 I'm hoping to shed light on events far beyond 17th century Pendle. 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,975 What prompted witch hunts in Britain and Europe? 75 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,015 Who was accused of witchcraft and why? 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,215 And what can this horror story from 400 years ago tell us about events 77 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,415 in the present day? 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,775 In the early 17th century, Lancashire was a sparsely populated 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,015 rural area still coming to terms with the religious 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,535 and political upheaval of the last century. 81 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,375 England in the 16th century went through lots of different monarchs 82 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,575 as most people know. 83 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,175 So they went from Catholic to Protestant, 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,175 to Catholic to Protestant, erm... 85 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,975 And obviously people's religious allegiances couldn't change 86 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,055 so quickly. 87 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,015 But Lancashire was quite interesting because it did have 88 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,735 a high Catholic community. 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,895 Lancashire had an inclination towards Catholicism, 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,175 while the rest of England was a broadly Protestant country. 91 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,255 So that set it apart - it was seen as a kind of edge place, 92 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:15,015 as a rebellious place, as a place where problematic people might live. 93 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,575 Lancashire was known as the dark corner of the land, 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,535 the dark corner of England where traitors 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,775 and misfits ran away to. 96 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,775 I kind of like that. 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,095 I like that I'm from the dark corner. 98 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,935 But being a Catholic stronghold in a now Protestant country 99 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,455 meant that many suffered hardship. 100 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,935 Pendle is particularly down on its knees at this point in time 101 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,255 so some people are well-to-do farmers who do have money 102 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,255 and land and then you have various families who are just eking out 103 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,335 a living on what little they have got. 104 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,655 So there was more vagrancy, more poverty. 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,015 One of the key explanations for witchcraft in England 106 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,935 was this idea of charity refused. 107 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,295 So this is often a very destitute society where women 108 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,615 are particularly vulnerable. 109 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,815 They might be asking for money and then being refused money, 110 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:23,295 that old woman mutters something under her breath as she walks off 111 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,255 and then some harm befalls a person who's refused 112 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,375 the woman and they think it's her. 113 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,735 According to the account of the trials written by clerk of the court, 114 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,935 Thomas Potts, the Pendle Witch Trials were sparked by a similar incident. 115 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,335 Alison Device, a young beggar's daughter, 116 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,375 is walking through the woods. 117 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,095 She comes across a pedlar on the road 118 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,175 and she asks him for some pins. The pedlar refuses. 119 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,095 Alison is angry about that and she turns 120 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,855 and she whispers a curse uncler her breath. 121 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,655 The pedlar falls down partially paralysed. 122 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,255 Alison, confused and alarmed at her own strength 123 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:12,655 and believes that she now does indeed have magical powers. 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,535 This belief might seem strange to us today 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,255 but in 17th century Pendle, the Device family 126 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,735 were known to practise folk magic. 127 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,255 They are known locally as being "cunning folk", 128 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,935 and "cunning folk" is this kind of really interesting way 129 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,335 of thinking about people where there's this idea that 130 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,815 they have access to the supernatural. 131 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,215 Ancl it doesn't necessarily mean that they are consorting with the devil. 132 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,175 It could mean that they understand plants and herbs particularly well. 133 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,335 Magic was part of the fabric of everyday life. 134 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,175 It was how people made sense of the world 135 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,175 and how people made sense of misfortune as well. 136 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,175 And people could make money from magical healing. 137 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,175 But while magic might offer comfort and a way for 138 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,975 the Devices to make a living, Alison was convinced it 139 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,215 had given her the ability to harm. 140 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,095 She was devastated about this so she went to the family 141 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,855 and she begged for forgiveness for something that she believed 142 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,255 she was capable of, that she'd clone. 143 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:23,095 I feel that that moment, the choice that she made, 144 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,695 kicked off this huge thing. 145 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,935 Alison's confession was made at a time when 146 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:38,455 the idea of "witchcraft", and who could do it, was rapidly changing. 147 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,415 It's really uncommon in the mediaeval period to have 148 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,855 an accusation of someone being a witch. 149 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,175 Sometimes people are denounced as having clone magic, 150 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,295 but a lot of times, the people who are seen to be doing bad magic 151 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,695 with demons are monks, for example - people who speak Latin, 152 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,095 who can draw up a magic circle and bring up the dead 153 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,815 in order to learn things. 154 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,695 So, the witch - the fear of the witch - 155 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,415 completely, exponentially rises from the early 15th century onwards 156 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,375 because the idea of the witch fundamentally changes. 157 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,815 So rather than it being sort of a learned male magician 158 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,615 getting their power from magic books, it's this idea that 159 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,015 a witch is fundamentally giving their soul to the devil, 160 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,295 and they are therefore committing heresy. 161 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,975 When we think about the word "witch", it's a derogatory term. 162 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,335 Whereas, if we think about the word "wizard", 163 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,295 we would use that in a way of, "He's a wizard at that". 164 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,295 He's... You know, that's a positive, that's bigging someone up. 165 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,655 You would never use the word "witch" like that, 166 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,935 in fact you'd say, "Mm, she's a bit of a witch." 167 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,615 So when did "witch" become a term to describe 168 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,335 a woman intent on evil? 169 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,335 I'm meeting feminist art historian Luisa McCormack. 170 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,335 So have you ever heard of the Malleus Maleficarum? 171 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,415 No, I haven't. 172 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,135 So, the name roughly translates to the Hammer of Witches 173 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,015 and it was written and published in 1487 by 174 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,375 a German guy called Heinrich Kramer. 175 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,455 Ancl it's basically your kind of handy user's guide on how 176 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,535 to spot, capture, torture and kill your local witch. 177 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,215 So it's a really, really horrible piece of text, 178 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,535 it's incredibly misogynistic. 179 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:24,015 So do you know the things we should look out for? 180 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,935 Is that in there, for a witch? 181 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,815 I mean, basically all women. THEY LAUGH 182 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,735 All women... There we go, we just need to stop there, Luisa. 183 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:31,815 Pretty much. 184 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,175 So one of the things the Malleus did, 185 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,815 which had been around in previous scholarship 186 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,735 but really was cemented by Heinrich Kramer, 187 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,255 was this idea that women were uniquely positioned to be witches. 188 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:51,535 Kramer's text describes in detail the evil in the heart of every woman. 189 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,855 Kramer believed women were tempted by Satan to become witches 190 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,615 because of their uncontrolled sexuality. 191 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,055 It goes into extreme detail as to the kinds of things 192 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,975 that witches got up to. 193 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,935 That included keeping nests of penises in trees, erm... 194 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,695 Like you do. Yeah, as you do. We've all been there. 195 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,055 THEY LAUGH 196 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,175 MARION: One of the things he thinks that witches do is keep 197 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,175 men's penises, having cut them off and severed them, 198 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,895 or leave them on the male body and hide them, make them invisible. 199 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,055 The Malleus Maleficarum details incidents of his type of witchcraft. 200 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,495 So what the Malleus does is that it really changes 201 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,895 the understanding of the witch - not just about someone who 202 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,215 has made a pact with the devil, but a woman who has made 203 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,095 a sexual pact with the devil. 204 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,815 It is one of the most bonkers books that was ever written, 205 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,335 so included in it, he has large notations about the orgies 206 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,655 that witches have with the devil. 207 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:23,735 He wants you to know that when the devil has orgies 208 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,255 with witches and ejaculates, his semen is cold because the devil has 209 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,295 to steal semen from unsuspecting men in the night. 210 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,135 There is just more penis stealing than has ever been talked about in 211 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,095 any other book before or since. 212 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,455 It really tells you about his psyche, 213 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,095 that he was that obsessed with women's sexuality, 214 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,655 and I think it is worth remembering that he was a monk 215 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,335 and therefore celibate. 216 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,095 People were really sceptical about it, they very much took it 217 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,175 with a grain of salt. 218 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,135 The powers that be weren't necessarily convinced 219 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,935 that witches needed to be dealt with in the kind of ways 220 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,335 that he had detailed in the book. 221 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,935 But how did this idea spread through Europe 222 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,695 and then the new world and beyond? 223 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,735 It very much has to do with a contemporary piece of technology 224 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,695 that was invented in the 1440s, and that's Johannes Gutenberg 225 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,015 creating the printing press. 226 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,495 Cos what the printing press enables for the first time ever 227 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,015 in human history is the mass dissemination of ideas and imagery. 228 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,935 MARION: It's got everything - it's got sex, it's got conflict, 229 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,335 it's got witches, it's got magic, it's got the devil. 230 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,295 Why wouldn't it become popular? 231 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,335 A book that was absolutely laughed at 232 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,615 ancl considered to be of no account at all whatsoever in 233 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,015 a few decades kind of has a massive turnaround 234 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,735 and is treated as if it's the absolute truth. 235 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,815 So then he wrote this. Mhm. 236 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,135 Printing press allowed it to get out and all his ideas 237 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,415 and its almost a form of something going viral. 238 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,055 It's like... Very much so. ..when something goes on 239 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,975 Twitter, then everyone can comment about it. 240 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,335 40 years ago the internet was created. 241 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,855 We could never have conceived of how the internet kind of put power 242 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,295 in people's hands and, you know, all the ways it's changed us 243 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,455 as a society. 244 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,895 The printing press very much was the 1400s equivalent of that so 245 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,695 the Malleus Maleficarum is written sort of at 246 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,575 the birth of this brand new technology. 247 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,375 Kramer's concept of the evil witch was also popularised 248 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,855 by artists of the time. 249 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,295 The most famous print was by Albrecht Durer. 250 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,815 This is the, kind of the original crone, the original hag. 251 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,775 There's all sorts of interesting markers that are defining her as 252 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,695 an agent of chaos in this piece. 253 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,415 So, for example, the goat is riding in this direction but she is facing 254 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,815 in this direction, and her hair is streaming out in the wrong way. 255 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,415 There's loads of things which are kind of suggesting 256 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,015 to us that she's acting against nature. 257 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,495 She's depicted with a broomstick and a spindle, 258 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,375 both of which are traditional implements of womanhood. 259 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,895 But in the hands of the witch, the broomstick becomes this 260 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,295 phallic rod that she's clutching and so it really signifies this kind of 261 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,575 turning upside down 262 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,695 of traditional, like, good female values to have - 263 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,775 you know, the broomstick that you swept your yard with 264 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,375 becomes this kind of crazy phallic thing that she rides on 265 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,815 to her witches' sabbath. 266 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,495 I love that, yeah. 267 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,255 BLEEP the cleaning, I'm going to ride the broomstick. 268 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,695 Exactly, that's pretty much it. 269 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,335 Kramer's book led to thousands of trials of suspected witches... 270 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,535 most of them women. 271 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,055 To understand more about the executions 272 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,735 for witchcraft in Pendle, I've come to Germany. 273 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,775 This was the epicentre of the witch hunts that swept 274 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,175 through Europe in the seventeenth century. 275 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,215 I'm here to meet Professor Johannes Dillinger. 276 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,655 Could you tell me a bit about the history of witches 277 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,695 in Germany, Bamburg? 278 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,615 I would always say that we should see them in 279 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,895 the double context of the economy and politics. Uh-huh. 280 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,415 For the economy, was a shambles. 281 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,935 We are right in the middle of the so-called Little Ice Age that is 282 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,135 a period of extreme temperatures in European history. 283 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,535 It was extremely cold. 284 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:43,975 Of course, you know that Europe was an agricultural society. 285 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:50,775 Now, with a series of extremely cool not just years but decades, 286 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,295 society hit rock bottom. 287 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,535 People, they are starving. 288 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,055 It took the Germans a couple of years to learn 289 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,495 the concept of witchcraft. 290 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,055 You've already heard about Malleus Maleficarum 291 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,655 and Kramer who wrote it. 292 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,415 Kramer was a crackpot, and most people 293 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,855 did not respect him any too well. 294 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,495 It took the crisis of the Little Ice Age 295 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,575 to drive home Kramer's method that was essentially, 296 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,935 something's wrong with the world. Yeah. 297 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,415 What is this secret conspiracy at work? 298 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,055 Totally secret, basically invisible because it consists mostly 299 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,135 of women who hide, of course, behind men. 300 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,615 Witches, in a German context, are first and foremost 301 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,655 weather magicians. 302 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,775 We send the rain, we send the snow, the hailstones. 303 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:04,800 If disaster strikes, we become ready to see evil in other people. 304 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,775 Ancl the early modern understanding of evil is witchcraft. 305 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,575 We see spikes of witchcraft accusations in the years 306 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,495 of really, really bad weather and the crop failures, 307 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,855 so there is a causal connection between bad weather 308 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,775 and spates of witch hunting. 309 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,335 It's about witches harming society and wreaking havoc on society. 310 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,935 What we're living through now probably would be thought 311 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,695 of as witchcraft. 312 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:45,695 The mediaeval town of Bamburg saw some of Germany's most brutal trials. 313 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,575 So we have communities that are devastated, 314 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,975 that are starving, so the communities look to the rulers 315 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,895 and the rulers need someone to blame. 316 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,495 Ancl very few rulers were so enthusiastic about hunting witches 317 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,215 when actually just two Prince Bishops, 318 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,415 here at Bamburg. 319 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,055 But they accepted the witchcraft doctrine 320 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,695 line, hook and sinker. 321 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,375 The witch trial, we always have the difficulty of evidence. 322 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,735 How do you actually prove magic? 323 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,895 So local witch hunters, they're very often left 324 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,655 to their own devices and they used torture - 325 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,135 I'm tempted to say - liberally in order to overcome 326 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,815 the difficulties with evidence, and they are very aggressive. 327 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,215 I know a number of cases, one actually here at Bamburg, 328 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,775 that pregnant women were tortured for clays. 329 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,815 The state told them witches do exist, 330 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,255 all churches told them witches do exist, 331 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,655 science, the universities, told them yes, witches do exist. 332 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,655 Ancl all your neighbours were convinced that witches do exist. 333 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,055 Who are you to step out of line and say, no, they don't. 334 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,775 It was what they were told, they were frightened, 335 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,655 they were scared and they were starving. 336 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,855 Nearly 20,000 women were executed for witchcraft in the German lands. 337 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,415 This was made possible by the willingness of 338 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,695 the authorities to prosecute. 339 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,455 The same was true at home. 340 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,855 To find out how that developed here, I'm meeting Claire Mitchell KC. 341 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,695 So, before the Witchcraft Act, the church dealt with 342 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,295 what was right and wrong, or good or bad. 343 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,015 When the Witchcraft Act - both North and South of the border - 344 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,415 came into being, what that meant was that 345 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,295 the law had got its fingers into who was a witch. 346 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,975 So, for the first time, it became the state that was 347 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,855 weighing up who was a witch and deciding who should live or die. 348 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,015 In Scotland, Mary Queen of Scots brought in some trials, 349 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,055 but it really took off when her son, James VI and then 350 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,095 the First of England later, became involved 351 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,695 because he was obsessed with witchcraft, and therefore 352 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,255 he saw witches everywhere, that witches were amongst us. 353 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,975 In a real sense he literally wrote the book, 354 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,335 cos he wrote a book called Demonology, 355 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:25,215 giving all the detail- what they wear, what they do, 356 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,255 how to look out for them, how to deal with them. 357 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,855 Ancl so he, having written the book on it, 358 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,095 provided a legitimacy from the highest form 359 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,175 through to the people. 360 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,575 So there is no question in people's minds other than the devil was real, 361 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,335 that witches were amongst us, and they were doing bad things. 362 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:44,255 Cos the King said so. Absolutely. 363 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,255 What Demonology tells us about is what forms 364 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,735 a witch can take, what ills they might do, 365 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,655 how they might affect you. 366 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,055 For example, erm, if a woman has been standing near a bush 367 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,335 and that bush later goes on fire, is she a witch? 368 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,735 If a woman has been out late at night, is she a witch? 369 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,175 If a woman has cursed you in the market 370 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,815 and then later something happens to one of your family or 371 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,535 your animals or your stock, is she a witch? 372 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,175 I'm saying "she", in fact Demonology doesn't gender 373 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,415 the person - they just talk about acts of witchcraft 374 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,455 and neither do the acts themselves. 375 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,935 That's why it's so interesting... How society... 376 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,455 ...how society decides that a witch is a woman 377 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,295 because the law doesn't in fact prescribe it. 378 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,335 In the period of the witch trials, often people who were accused 379 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,175 were outsiders in some way, so they might be heretics, 380 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,815 people who were seen to misbelieve in religion in some way. 381 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,015 They might be women who refused to be quiet 382 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,975 and do what their husbands told them to do. 383 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,775 They might be midwives or healers, they might be simply people you'd 384 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,695 had a business dispute with. 385 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,135 The thing about a witch trial in a lot of senses is that it's not 386 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,535 necessarily about rooting out magic, but a lot of the time 387 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,775 it's about rooting out parts of society that you don't like to see. 388 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,535 Ancl particularly at this time, we see a real interest 389 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,575 in kind of decreasing the influence that women have 390 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,735 in society more generally. 391 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,015 Of the 2,500 people executed in Scotland under the Witchcraft Act, 392 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,415 around 80% are thought to have been women. 393 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,455 So we've got King James, obsessed with witches, in Scotland. 394 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,535 How does that come over to England? 395 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,415 Because he becomes James the First of England, 396 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,775 and when he moves - he physically moves, 397 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,095 leaves Scotland and he goes down to England where he 398 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,895 brings with him all his ideas. 399 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,775 So the Pendle witch trials took place in 1612, 400 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,775 so this is not long after James VI of Scotland becomes 401 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,415 James I of England. 402 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,095 So imagine you are a judge in Lancashire. 403 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,455 You're probably not going to be super excited about that 404 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,175 because you're living in this really poor, rural area 405 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,815 and you know you want to rise through the ranks of the judiciary, 406 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,175 but, hey look, here's this new Scottish King 407 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,575 and he is really into cracking down on witches. 408 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,015 So this idea of you being able to find witches in 409 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,535 a community and hunt them out, exterminate them, 410 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,895 probably if you are an ambitious man is 411 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,815 a good way of gaining the King's favour. 412 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:30,495 One man's ambition would drive the prosecution of the Pendle witches. 413 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,855 News that Alison Device had paralysed a pedlar with a curse 414 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,655 reached the local magistrate, a man called Roger Nowell. 415 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,295 Alison was summoned before him, and according to 416 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,335 Thomas Potts' account, told Nowell everything he wanted to hear. 417 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,255 During Nowell's interrogation, Alison is said to have confessed 418 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,655 to witchcraft acts and to selling her soul to the devil. 419 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,055 I wonder if there was some prompting on his part. 420 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,335 Three other women were also implicated - 421 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:06,735 Alison's grandmother and two members of a local family with whom 422 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,135 the Devices had a long-standing dispute. 423 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,295 So, what should have been an isolated incident of 424 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,495 a man accusing this girl of witchcraft 425 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,215 and then her confessing, becomes something much bigger 426 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,895 because these two families, become embroiled. 427 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,935 They've had long-standing antagonisms against each other. 428 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,215 So it's also this idea of community conflict being 429 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,135 played out through witch accusations. 430 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,495 Grasping an opportunity to gain attention 431 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,295 and favour with the new King, magistrate Roger Nowell 432 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,175 sent all four women to Lancaster Gaol, to await trial. 433 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,815 400 years ago, the women of Pendle accused of witchcraft became victims 434 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,135 of ambitious men trying to further their careers. 435 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,735 Everything we understand about the Pendle story is from 436 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,175 the accounts of men. 437 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,495 The women's voices have not been heard. 438 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,175 But today there is a generation of women reclaiming 439 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,535 the label "witch', and they will not be silenced. 440 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,015 Hello. Oh! 441 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,855 Musician Natasha Khan, better known as Bat for Lashes, is one of them. 442 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,255 I've been looking at some videos of you. Can I start there? Yeah. 443 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,455 The screaming and the wailing and the... Oh, my God. 444 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,295 ETHEREAL HOWUNG 445 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,455 What does one have to do to howl? 446 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,295 Absolutely nothing. just do it? just do it. 447 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,655 Erm, so I'm not going to howl here, I'm just going to 448 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,615 go over there and howl. NATASHA LAUGHS 449 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,135 But you keep looking this way, cos I feel I need to do that... 450 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,855 Yeah. ..like, without... 451 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,815 No, Jackson, don't follow me, don't... I want to do this... 452 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,415 So you can do it for yourself? Yeah. Yeah. I just want to do, 453 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,495 I just want to try it. 454 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,855 Shall I send you one and you can respond? 455 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,175 Yeah...yeah. 456 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,455 NATASHA HOWLS LIKE A WOLF 457 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,255 SURANNE HOWLS BACK 458 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,855 Louder. 459 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,855 SURANNE HOWLS LOUDER 460 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,255 SHE HOWLS EVEN LOUDER 461 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,535 You really needed to do that. 462 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,655 F**k me. 463 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,095 I saw it, I saw it. Yes! 464 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,255 Oh, it feels so good, doesn't it? NATASHA LAUGHS 465 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,375 Oh, my God. 466 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,415 I mean that's better than a headache tablet. Yeah. 467 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,815 Women got told that our voices have to hit just maybe one or two notes 468 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,175 throughout the clay. Yeah. We're like this. 469 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,415 Ancl as a singer, for me, I had to really push myself 470 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,895 to move outside of this 471 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,415 SOFTLY: "I speak like this and I don't really move, 472 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,775 you know, outside of that," to, like, 473 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,615 LOUDLY: "Hey!" you know, on stage. Yeah. 474 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,615 It's, like, so liberating and I come off, like, buzzing. 475 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,255 I feel like it moves stuff. 476 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,655 It feels good so I don't really care, you know? 477 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,015 But taking it back to the witch thing, isn't that 478 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,935 so interesting that we do that ancl then we're instantly afraid... 479 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,655 Mm! ..of someone going "Oh, God, those two..." 480 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,495 Ancl that's the narrative in our heads that's like, 481 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,175 women getting together and making too much noise... 482 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,135 Yes, but, that's so true. 483 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,375 It's about using your voice, speaking out 484 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,895 and life's too short as well to do anything other than that. 485 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,375 I think we're all witches. 486 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,655 I think a witch is just a woman who is in tune 487 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,495 with mystical forces and the sort of unconscious power 488 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,775 of the cycles of life. Mm. 489 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,575 Natasha is giving me a card reading using 490 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,015 a deck she designed called the Motherwitch. 491 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,655 So... 492 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,095 ...do you want to just turn over that top card? 493 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,975 Oh, my gosh. OK. 494 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,855 The Tyrant. This is so interesting. 495 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,455 Is that me? No. Oh, right, OK. 496 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,375 Erm, so if you look at the card, it's this masculine figure 497 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,055 that's got his hands squashed down... Gosh. Yeah. 498 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,135 ...onto the woman. 499 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,015 So the way I would interpret this is that 500 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,575 it's the force of, like... The patriarchal force of, like, 501 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,855 "you must create, you must be generating work", 502 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,215 you've got to keep going beyond your means, which means you have 503 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,895 to work longer hours, like... You know, it's that thing, 504 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,815 it's stamping the woman down. 505 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,335 It's stamping your feminine intuition and your own power 506 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,615 and your own instincts and ability to know what your limits are. 507 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,055 He's sort of squashing you. 508 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,895 I feel like this woman. 509 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,535 Squashed? I feel squashed. Crushed. Yeah. 510 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,695 There's a force at work in our society that says you can't stop 511 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,255 and you have to keep producing, you have to do more, 512 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,095 you've got to be bigger, better, work longer. 513 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,575 You just end up feeling mad. Crazy and overwhelmed. 514 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,855 When you first described it, I felt like... I thought I was gonna cry, 515 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,375 cos I've just felt like that's exactly where I am right now. 516 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,815 Aww. Yeah. Erm... 517 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,935 It's no wonder I wanted to howl. Yeah. 518 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,255 I really felt like I needed it. Yeah. 519 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,015 For women, using their voice to speak out, 520 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,695 I've had so many occasions coming up through my career 521 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,095 where you have an opinion and the moment you do, 522 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,095 you can feel the atmosphere change because then you are either 523 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,015 too mouthy or too loud, or too brash and "that's not your job", 524 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,375 "you need to be quiet", "you need to just be here, 525 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,415 "look pretty, smile"... All of that stuff has happened. 526 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,935 Women like Natasha are defying the expectations of what 527 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,375 might be considered appropriate behaviour for women today. 528 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,975 But in 17th Century Pendle, not conforming could get you killed. 529 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,175 While Alison Device, her grandmother Demdike and two others 530 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,135 were being held in Lancaster Gaol, there was a gathering which would 531 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,255 place even more people under suspicion. 532 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,495 This field is thought to be the site of the Device family home. 533 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,855 April 10th, Good Friday. 534 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,775 While all obedient Christians are in church, 535 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,215 allegedly a party was held here by Alison's mother, Elizabeth. 536 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,935 They roasted a stolen sheep and they celebrated by 537 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,455 feasting and dancing. 538 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,415 The party sparked rumours of a huge conspiracy of witches, 539 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,975 plotting to overthrow law and order. 540 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,375 So everything might have just stayed there - 541 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,415 four people are accused of witchcraft, that's good enough. 542 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,375 Except there's a big family meet-up on Good Friday 543 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,735 where basically everyone who is accused, 544 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,455 called their neighbours who were a little bit sympathetic 545 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,815 and James, one of the brothers, steals a sheep in order 546 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,895 to feed everyone and have a bit of a barbecue. 547 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,575 I just think it was a very bad idea for people who were 548 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,815 suspected of witchcraft to then have a gathering of people, 549 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,295 which then involves sheep. 550 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,655 It just seems like the rulebook of what not 551 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,575 to do when accused of witchcraft would be that. 552 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,135 It's probably just a family feast, but it comes across to 553 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,855 the magistrate as being some sort of satanic church gathering. 554 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,015 And, of course, that plays into his fears that Satan worship 555 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,695 is happening in his locality. 556 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,575 Magistrate Roger Nowell rounded up everyone involved for questioning. 557 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,295 By the end of his interrogations, more than a dozen people were 558 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,295 imprisoned here on witchcraft charges. 559 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,815 Hi. Good morning. How are you? I'm very well, thank you. 560 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,655 Suranne. I'm Martin. Lovely to meet you. And you. 561 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,415 Are these for me? They are indeed. 562 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,775 If you could pop those on before we go down. 563 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,735 Ancl this, I take it by the padlock, erm, isn't somewhere 564 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,655 where the general public get to go? 565 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,175 No, this isn't open to the public. 566 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,415 How amazing. Thank you. 567 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,975 This is the dungeon where the witches were imprisoned. 568 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,015 Wow. 569 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,775 Oh, my gosh... 570 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,615 I mean, it's just so grim. 571 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,015 It's cold down here. It's small. 572 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,375 They would have been chained up. 573 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,975 Not all prisoners were chained, but they chained them 574 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,455 because they thought they were witches, 575 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,895 they thought they had some super powers 576 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,015 and that if they didn't chain them down they would fly out of here. 577 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,855 Or get out through the walls or God knows what. 578 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,055 The 80-year-old Demdike didn't make it to the trials. 579 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,855 She died down here. 580 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,695 Ancl I'm sat thinking, who were these women? 581 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,135 They were...old, poor. 582 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,255 They were on the outskirts, they were "other", "different". 583 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,975 But a witch? 584 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,415 I'm still trying to get to idea of what a witch is. 585 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,055 A witch is someone who has made a pact with the devil, and... 586 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,335 ..|'m sat here feeling like these were just... 587 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,095 . ANOTHER. 588 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,055 They were held here for months. 589 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,855 And by the end of the trials, most would be condemned to death. 590 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,855 I returned to Lancashire to uncover the real story 591 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,295 of the Pendle witches. 592 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,775 What I'm realising is, it's not about witchcraft, 593 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,295 but about women. 594 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,895 18th of August, 1612, the trial of the Pendle witches began. 595 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,735 Professor Ronald Hutton is a leading expert on these trials. 596 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,655 So when someone is accused of being a witch, what evidence 597 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,615 has to come forward to allow the prosecution 598 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,455 to sentence them to death? 599 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,415 In any European witch trial there are always two things going on. 600 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,815 One is a pact with the devil- and the churchmen 601 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,575 and the magistrates are mostly interested in that. 602 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,335 The other is the harm they've done to fellow humans as 603 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,815 a result of that pact with the devil. 604 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,175 The hardest questions for historians 605 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,855 to answer is why it seems quite a few people made voluntary 606 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,655 confessions of being harmful witches. 607 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,015 On the continent there's not much of a problem 608 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,695 because they were tortured until they couldn't bear it any longer. 609 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,855 But torture of that kind is illegal in England, 610 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,655 so we're left to guess. 611 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,975 I need to stress so much that everything we know about 612 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,655 the Pendle witches is third-hand. 613 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,215 It's from the testimony of Roger Nowell who gets 614 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,775 what are supposed to be their confessions, 615 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,935 and then it's embellished by the clerk of the court 616 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,815 who publishes the evidence as we have it. 617 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,175 So it's filtered - we can only speculate. 618 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:24,455 One of the obvious conclusions to draw is that Roger Nowell misled 619 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,055 the accused when he was first taking the evidence, 620 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,455 by making them suppose that if they told him what he wanted, 621 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,495 they'd be spared. 622 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,895 Now, that does happen for sure in some other English witch trials 623 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,815 with some unscrupulous magistrates, and there's a very strong suspicion 624 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,895 in this case. 625 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,935 Although some are said to have confessed to witchcraft, 626 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,655 many continued to protest their innocence 627 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,655 including Alison Device's mother, Elizabeth. 628 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,095 But a new prosecution witness was about to surprise everyone. 629 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,735 The star witness is nine years old and she is jennet. 630 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,935 she is tragically the daughter of Elizabeth there in the pen 631 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,095 and therefore the younger sister ofjames and Alison, 632 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,855 Elizabeth's other children who are also on trial. 633 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,255 And Roger has got hold of this girl and persuaded her 634 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,655 to provide this mass of evidence against her own family. 635 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,215 Everybody is amazed when this child enters the court, 636 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:40,695 mounts her podium and begins to give evidence. 637 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,695 jennet is really ready to give this very detailed testimony 638 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,095 where she says she's seen Alison's familiar - 639 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,375 it is the black dog that John lost, Has cursed him - 640 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,735 she's seen Alison consort with the devil. 641 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,335 According to the account of the trial, 642 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,735 jennet also gave evidence that a coven of around 20 witches 643 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,295 had gathered at her home on Good Friday, 644 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,015 and that her own mother, Elizabeth, was a witch. 645 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,495 We don't really know if she is aware of what she's doing, 646 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,975 but she provides exactly what the prosecution wants. 647 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,775 She accuses them of dealing with spirits in detail 648 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,335 and of murdering people by witchcraft. 649 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,895 There were legal limits of who could testify in court. 650 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,495 You were essentially not meant to allow witness statements 651 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,495 from children. 652 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,815 In his determination to prosecute witches, 653 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,295 the new King had lowered the bar for evidence. 654 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,255 One of the things that James says in Demonology is that 655 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,775 it's a good idea to question the children of suspected witches 656 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,295 and that their evidence is admissible 657 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,455 and should be listened to. 658 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,335 This is really significant in the Pendle trials. 659 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,255 jennet has been underneath the care of 660 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,775 the judges themselves. 661 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,535 So she, this whole time, has probably been being fed lines 662 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,655 about what it is that her family has clone wrong. 663 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,215 Ancl jennet gives really detailed testimony. 664 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,775 jennet's evidence sealed the fate of her family and many others. 665 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,135 Two days later, ten people were hanged on Gallows Hill, 666 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,095 eight of them were women. 667 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,815 Among them were Alison Device, her mother Elizabeth 668 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,295 and her brotherjames. 669 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,695 It was the first mass execution for witchcraft in England. 670 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,535 The Pendle victims were a small group of impoverished people 671 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,855 living in the North of England. 672 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,975 Yes, they were different, unusual, maybe a little wild, 673 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,575 maybe even slightly odd, but what did they really do wrong? 674 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,775 I think they were incredibly unlucky. 675 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,655 They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, 676 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,055 they were in the middle of this perfect storm where powerful men 677 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,415 used them to further their career and curry favour 678 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,135 with a deeply paranoid King. 679 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,735 The account of the trials by Thomas Potts, clerk of the court, 680 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,135 was published the following year, spreading the myth that dangerous 681 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,095 witches had been discovered in Pendle. 682 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,815 This idea of kind of big numbers of the same family all being accused 683 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,415 for witchcraft was a news sensation. 684 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,335 You have all sorts of media that crops up around it. 685 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,695 So there are all of these people who are making money 686 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,255 off of the accusations as well. 687 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,535 The Pendle trials were followed by many more women being 688 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,775 persecuted as witches. 689 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,735 The problem with witch trials is that people started 690 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,655 to confess and once people confessed, 691 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,535 it made more people believe in the power of witches. 692 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:05,175 You had 200 years where women were terrified of being called a witch. 693 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,775 You had to show how Godly you were, you had to show how quiet you were. 694 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,415 Ancl we wonder in the modern age why it is that women 695 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,935 still aren't equal, still don't speak up, still are afraid to say, 696 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,975 "Here's a terrible thing that's happened to me." 697 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,615 Why don't women do that when, at least in theory, 698 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,015 at least in law we have this equality. 699 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,495 And you do wonder - is it because of hundreds of years of 700 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,855 having to stay quiet? 701 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,735 Is it because the gender norms of the time that were thrust upon women 702 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,975 have an effect on women today? 703 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,415 If anyone thinks they're not connected to the witch trials, 704 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,335 one of the biggest things that has struck me is that women 705 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,735 were silenced, women didn't have a voice, they were repressed. 706 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,455 Ancl that is something that has stuck through society 707 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,655 and it has been repeated and repeated and repeated 708 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,775 and it's still a big issue now in modern clay. 709 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,975 We all know these trials as the witch trials. 710 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,055 I'm feeling very much like I want to rename them 711 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,375 and I'm sure there are many, many women out there 712 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,295 who are with me on this. 713 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,295 These are trials of women - the misrepresentation of women, 714 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,775 the persecution, the abuse of women of all ages. 715 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,615 Kramer's Malleus Maleficarum created the idea of 716 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,135 an evil woman in league with the devil, 717 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,815 responsible for all the world's ills. 718 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,815 In Germany, women were tortured before confessing to witchcraft 719 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,055 and condemning themselves to death. 720 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,695 The Pendle witch trials started with a girl in the woods 721 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,935 muttering a curse under her breath. 722 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,895 They ended with the execution of ten innocent people. 723 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:11,135 I felt like I was... That I needed to do this, 724 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,815 because it feels like it's part of my female story. 725 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,455 I thought I was just interested in witches, 726 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,095 but the more I looked into it, the more I have found 727 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,615 so much in it that I... I feel like I've cracked open 728 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,175 a bit of myself as a woman. 729 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,015 This group of women have come together on Pendle Hill 730 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,855 to perform a ceremony honouring those executed as witches. 731 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,055 We're all here to heal together and this is the last full moon 732 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,415 and that is why this has been so important to us tonight. 733 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,095 Cos we've all followed the Pendle witches. 734 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,455 I'm from Blackburn which is just down the road. 735 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,895 So who's a practising witch then? Is that OK to ask? Yes. Yeah. 736 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,335 Not everybody is a practising witch, but we are a sisterhood regardless. 737 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,815 Right, I'm just going to cast a circle now, ladies. 738 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,655 We're going to set our energy more and more into this moment, 739 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,735 here and now. 740 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,335 "I am the maiden. 741 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,935 "I see the world with a childlike wonder. 742 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,895 "A joyful song plays in my heart. 743 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,535 "I am the mother. 744 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,215 "My womb is ripe and ready to bring forth new life. 745 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,175 "I am the crone. 746 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:38,055 "The silver strands in my hair speak of the wisdom I possess. 747 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,655 "The lines on my face tell of the strength and endurance 748 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,215 "of a lifetime of journeys. 749 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:53,240 "I am the witch, I am maiden, mother, crone and goddess. 750 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,855 I stand in my sovereignty... ALL: I stand in my sovereignty! 751 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,215 ...and I send healing to my ancestors! 752 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,775 ALL: Ancl I send healing to my ancestors! 753 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,295 I thank you for the strong woman I am today... 754 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,815 ALL: I thank you for the strong woman I am today... 755 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,295 ...and we will make you proud. ALL: ..and we will make you proud. 756 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,935 Thank you, ladies. 757 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,255 For nearly 200 years, the poison of the witch trials infected Europe, 758 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,775 and they spread even further. 759 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,855 3,000 miles away and 80 years after jennet Device 760 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,535 accused her family of witchcraft, her name would appear 761 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,135 in a book on a magistrate's desk. 762 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,135 That magistrate's desk was in Salem, Massachusetts, 763 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,935 where the world's most infamous witch trials 764 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,655 were about to be unleashed. 765 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:52,015 Next time, I'll cross the Atlantic to investigate the Salem Witch Trials. 766 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,655 She tells an extraordinary, lurid tale of having met with the devil. 767 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,975 She says there are actually nine witches at large, 768 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,415 not just the suspected three. 769 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,175 I'll explore some modern-day witch hunts... 770 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,655 Google any female politician and the word "witch" 771 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,975 and I promise you, you will see images of them 772 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,655 with green skin and a pointy hat. 773 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,495 ...and discover why witch trials are still with us today. 774 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,895 We're in a period which feels probably 775 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,535 the most unstable it has felt since Heinrich Kramer wrote that book. 776 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,415 No wonder everyone is grasping for these conspiracy theories. 64006

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