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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,634 --> 00:00:05,719 [reporter] A Las Vegas hospital reports 2 00:00:05,802 --> 00:00:09,848 rapper Tupac Shakur has passed away from wounds he suffered 3 00:00:09,932 --> 00:00:12,017 during a drive-by shooting last Saturday. 4 00:00:14,645 --> 00:00:16,230 [Biggie] Pac is a strong dude, yo. 5 00:00:16,813 --> 00:00:19,525 So, when they was like he got shot, I was just more like, "Again?" 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,736 You know? He's always getting shot, or shot at. 7 00:00:22,945 --> 00:00:24,404 He gonna pull through this one again, 8 00:00:24,571 --> 00:00:27,783 make a few records about it and it's going to be over, you know? 9 00:00:27,991 --> 00:00:30,410 But when he-- when he died, I was just like, "Whoa!" 10 00:00:31,453 --> 00:00:33,121 You know, kind of took me by... 11 00:00:33,747 --> 00:00:35,374 Even though we was going through our drama, 12 00:00:35,457 --> 00:00:38,377 I would never wish death on nobody, there ain't no coming back from that. 13 00:00:39,419 --> 00:00:40,879 But at the same time, you know... 14 00:00:41,922 --> 00:00:43,423 things gotta move on, you know? 15 00:00:49,137 --> 00:00:51,139 [mellow beats] 16 00:00:58,063 --> 00:01:00,566 [narrator] Tupac's death in September 1996 17 00:01:00,649 --> 00:01:02,484 sent shock waves throughout hip-hop, 18 00:01:02,568 --> 00:01:05,821 serving as a reality check of the dangers and limits 19 00:01:05,904 --> 00:01:06,822 of bravado and ego, 20 00:01:07,364 --> 00:01:08,407 and as a reminder 21 00:01:08,490 --> 00:01:11,201 of hip-hop's collective power and responsibility. 22 00:01:12,452 --> 00:01:16,206 In the months following Pac's death, leaders from both coasts came together, 23 00:01:16,331 --> 00:01:18,750 trying to bring peace to the fractured community. 24 00:01:19,835 --> 00:01:21,587 But there was another side to this story. 25 00:01:22,546 --> 00:01:23,505 Big's story. 26 00:01:23,589 --> 00:01:24,965 ♪ It's on you ♪ 27 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:29,553 Because, throughout the beef, Big had a vision for his future. 28 00:01:30,053 --> 00:01:32,055 He wanted to be more than just a rapper. 29 00:01:32,431 --> 00:01:33,849 Big wanted to be a mogul, 30 00:01:34,474 --> 00:01:35,684 and lucky for him, 31 00:01:35,851 --> 00:01:37,936 his manager was a mogul in the making. 32 00:01:40,647 --> 00:01:44,234 [interviewer] So I want to start just after the success of Ready to Die. 33 00:01:44,901 --> 00:01:46,653 Big is-- is blowing up. 34 00:01:46,862 --> 00:01:48,739 What were you thinking about the future together? 35 00:01:49,197 --> 00:01:52,409 After the success of Ready to Die, we didn't want to lose it. 36 00:01:52,492 --> 00:01:56,079 We hit it right at that spot where we had some turmoil 37 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:58,624 and we had some pressure. 38 00:01:58,790 --> 00:02:01,627 So we don't want to lose the opportunity, 39 00:02:01,710 --> 00:02:04,795 we didn't want to lose the success that Bad Boy was having. 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,133 You know this is a whole new era that we were really going into. 41 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:10,302 ♪ Grab your dick if you love hip-hop ♪ 42 00:02:11,136 --> 00:02:13,305 ♪ Rub your titties if you love Big Poppa ♪ 43 00:02:13,722 --> 00:02:17,351 A lot of people don't understand the relationship me and Big had. 44 00:02:17,768 --> 00:02:21,980 We were beyond record company head and recording artist. 45 00:02:22,064 --> 00:02:23,607 We were really true friends. 46 00:02:23,815 --> 00:02:25,734 We hit the lottery together. 47 00:02:26,068 --> 00:02:28,195 And we lived it like nobody ever lived it. 48 00:02:28,612 --> 00:02:29,821 The B.I.G. 49 00:02:29,905 --> 00:02:31,740 ♪ If robbery's a class, bet I pass it ♪ 50 00:02:31,823 --> 00:02:34,826 ♪ Shit get drastic I'm burying you bastards ♪ 51 00:02:34,951 --> 00:02:37,287 But Big had this concept that he wanted 52 00:02:37,371 --> 00:02:41,124 to be in the power position, the executive producer, 53 00:02:41,583 --> 00:02:44,127 be able to move next door to me. 54 00:02:44,211 --> 00:02:47,673 So he had this dream of, you know, really starting his own label, 55 00:02:47,756 --> 00:02:50,092 and I was just like, "This guy is bold." 56 00:02:50,175 --> 00:02:52,636 You know what I'm saying? He wants to go do his own label. 57 00:02:52,761 --> 00:02:55,430 He's not even trying to do it with Bad Boy, and I was like, 58 00:02:56,348 --> 00:02:58,058 "I could really, really dig it." 59 00:02:58,141 --> 00:03:02,270 That made no sense for my business, but it was just like-- it's my man. 60 00:03:02,771 --> 00:03:05,941 ♪ Just the way players play All day, every day ♪ 61 00:03:06,024 --> 00:03:07,734 ♪ I don't know what else to say ♪ 62 00:03:07,818 --> 00:03:08,735 [Lance] One day... 63 00:03:09,111 --> 00:03:12,364 Big asked me to start a record company with him. 64 00:03:12,447 --> 00:03:15,492 We literally started a record company 65 00:03:15,575 --> 00:03:17,285 out of a one-bedroom apartment. 66 00:03:17,369 --> 00:03:19,538 And, you know, I was sitting down one day, 67 00:03:19,621 --> 00:03:21,665 and we kind of just came up with this idea 68 00:03:21,748 --> 00:03:24,543 about creating our own hip-hop family. 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,212 They were called The Junior MAFIA. 70 00:03:27,713 --> 00:03:29,798 ♪ Now who smoke more blunts Than a little bit ♪ 71 00:03:29,881 --> 00:03:31,049 ♪ What are you, an idiot ♪ 72 00:03:31,133 --> 00:03:33,885 ♪ Listen to the lyrics I spit like M1'S ♪ 73 00:03:33,969 --> 00:03:35,595 ♪ Got mad guns up in the cabin ♪ 74 00:03:35,679 --> 00:03:38,515 [Lil' Cease] Junior Mafia, we were young kids that he just kind of like 75 00:03:38,682 --> 00:03:40,934 kept a wrap of, like, trying to keep us off the streets. 76 00:03:41,017 --> 00:03:42,894 You know, he had plans for us. 77 00:03:42,978 --> 00:03:45,272 "This is how we gonna do your records. You need to do this." 78 00:03:45,355 --> 00:03:47,399 "Rhyme like this, do this melody." 79 00:03:47,482 --> 00:03:49,860 "I'm gonna write your rap, your song will be ready tomorrow." 80 00:03:49,943 --> 00:03:51,445 It was that other side of him. 81 00:03:51,528 --> 00:03:52,988 -Taking care of everybody. -Yes. 82 00:03:53,071 --> 00:03:55,323 He took care of us and made us a lifeline, 83 00:03:55,407 --> 00:03:58,034 that-- that still lasts to this time, because of him. 84 00:03:58,118 --> 00:04:00,662 ♪ Go on grit your teeth Go on bite your nails ♪ 85 00:04:00,746 --> 00:04:02,205 ♪ To the cuticles like Murray ♪ 86 00:04:02,289 --> 00:04:04,833 [Lance] Junior MAFIA was really about a concept. 87 00:04:04,916 --> 00:04:08,253 Biggie wanted to give the kids from the neighborhood 88 00:04:08,378 --> 00:04:10,880 an opportunity to be successful. 89 00:04:10,964 --> 00:04:14,134 That's why he has so many members in the group. 90 00:04:14,259 --> 00:04:16,303 It was nine guys. 91 00:04:16,386 --> 00:04:18,972 ♪ Niggas Grab your dick if you love hip-hop ♪ 92 00:04:19,055 --> 00:04:22,142 ♪ Bitches, rub your titties If you love Big Poppa ♪ 93 00:04:22,225 --> 00:04:25,228 ♪ Gotcha, open off the words I say because ♪ 94 00:04:25,312 --> 00:04:27,272 ♪ This type of shit it happens everyday ♪ 95 00:04:27,355 --> 00:04:31,401 [Puff] His whole vibe was that he wanted to put on his friends and his family 96 00:04:31,485 --> 00:04:35,280 and he had some talented, really charismatic characters around him. 97 00:04:35,363 --> 00:04:37,449 But he had this one gem... 98 00:04:37,949 --> 00:04:39,034 and it was Lil' Kim. 99 00:04:39,117 --> 00:04:43,205 ♪ I used to pack Macs in Cadillacs Now I pimp Gats in the AC's ♪ 100 00:04:43,288 --> 00:04:45,749 ♪ Watch my money stack Nines in the stores ♪ 101 00:04:45,832 --> 00:04:47,209 ♪ Glocks in the bags ♪ 102 00:04:47,292 --> 00:04:48,376 ♪ Maxin' mini-markets ♪ 103 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:50,420 ♪ Getting money with the Arabs No question ♪ 104 00:04:50,504 --> 00:04:52,547 Do you remember the first rhyme you kicked for Biggie? 105 00:04:53,256 --> 00:04:55,342 It was on Fulton Street, right? 106 00:04:55,425 --> 00:04:59,095 I was a baby. You know, 16-17, basically. 107 00:04:59,387 --> 00:05:00,680 I was so embarrassed. 108 00:05:00,764 --> 00:05:02,849 But I used to really like... 109 00:05:02,933 --> 00:05:03,892 Buckshot. 110 00:05:04,392 --> 00:05:06,144 -Buckshot. -I used to rhyme like him. 111 00:05:06,311 --> 00:05:10,440 I would listen to Black Moon over and over again. 112 00:05:10,690 --> 00:05:13,902 I don't remember it all, but I remember I said something to the sense of, 113 00:05:14,027 --> 00:05:17,280 I'm so hot, I'm hotter than the sun, who dat a come or whatever. 114 00:05:17,364 --> 00:05:19,950 -You hit him with the Buckshot flow. -Hit him with the Buckshot. 115 00:05:20,534 --> 00:05:22,118 Hit him with the Buckshot flow! 116 00:05:22,327 --> 00:05:24,329 And he was like, “Wait a minute, what? 117 00:05:24,412 --> 00:05:28,375 Like, that big-ass voice coming out of this little ass girl.” 118 00:05:28,458 --> 00:05:30,335 He was like... [chuckles] 119 00:05:30,418 --> 00:05:32,504 ♪ I used to pack Macs in Cadillacs ♪ 120 00:05:32,587 --> 00:05:34,464 ♪ Now I pimp Gats in the Ac's ♪ 121 00:05:34,923 --> 00:05:38,677 I made my first song, which was "Player's Anthem," at 17. 122 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,347 I was supposed to be the little girl that was cute and made the guys look good, 123 00:05:42,514 --> 00:05:45,976 but I liked being vulgar and explicit sometimes, 124 00:05:46,059 --> 00:05:47,561 because it made me feel free. 125 00:05:47,811 --> 00:05:50,146 Yo, I just want to say I love y’all motherfuckers. 126 00:05:50,313 --> 00:05:52,440 Y’all motherfuckers be representing in Brooklyn. 127 00:05:52,524 --> 00:05:54,317 That's all it means to me, you know? 128 00:05:54,442 --> 00:05:57,362 Sometimes when I would go super nasty, Big would be like, 129 00:05:57,445 --> 00:05:58,613 "Dang, girl! 130 00:05:59,114 --> 00:06:01,074 I didn't know if I wanted you to go that far, 131 00:06:01,157 --> 00:06:02,492 but I like it, keep going.” 132 00:06:02,993 --> 00:06:05,453 Y’all motherfucking girls be representing, right? 133 00:06:05,537 --> 00:06:06,371 With the... 134 00:06:06,454 --> 00:06:08,540 ♪ Niggas, better grab a seat ♪ 135 00:06:08,665 --> 00:06:10,959 ♪ Grab on your dick As this bitch gets deep ♪ 136 00:06:11,251 --> 00:06:13,461 ♪ Deeper than the pussy Of a bitch six feet ♪ 137 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:16,047 ♪ Stiff dicks feel sweet In this little petite ♪ 138 00:06:16,131 --> 00:06:18,842 ♪ Young bitch from the street Guaranteed to stay down ♪ 139 00:06:18,925 --> 00:06:20,302 [Angie] The thing about Kim is, 140 00:06:20,385 --> 00:06:24,180 nobody was attacking it the way she was in stilettos like that. 141 00:06:24,264 --> 00:06:26,266 She just sounded so raw. 142 00:06:26,349 --> 00:06:28,894 And she said all that shit that you, as a girl, 143 00:06:28,977 --> 00:06:31,688 you're like-- you were kind of like, you wanted to say that. 144 00:06:31,771 --> 00:06:34,149 ♪ You want to be my main squeeze, nigga ♪ 145 00:06:34,524 --> 00:06:36,526 ♪ You want to lick Between my knees, nigga ♪ 146 00:06:36,610 --> 00:06:38,278 [James] You see Kim, you sit down on the side, 147 00:06:38,361 --> 00:06:40,655 have a conversation with Lil' Kim, and that's Kimberly. 148 00:06:40,739 --> 00:06:44,117 As soon as she grabs that mic and hits that stage and starts to... 149 00:06:44,284 --> 00:06:46,995 She's like, catching a spirit or something, you know? 150 00:06:47,203 --> 00:06:49,915 And that's something that nobody had seen at that time. 151 00:06:50,123 --> 00:06:52,959 I love y’all! Brooklyn in the house, right? 152 00:06:54,044 --> 00:06:56,171 What? I can't hear you! 153 00:06:56,421 --> 00:06:57,464 Lil' Kim... 154 00:06:57,714 --> 00:07:00,967 obviously stood out from Junior MAFIA, um... 155 00:07:01,217 --> 00:07:04,930 but, in a different way, she stood out in hip-hop because... 156 00:07:05,013 --> 00:07:07,849 Kim's like sexuality was something 157 00:07:07,933 --> 00:07:10,977 that both men and women weren't ready for, 158 00:07:11,061 --> 00:07:13,146 but then wanted more and more and more. 159 00:07:14,481 --> 00:07:15,482 ♪ Lil Caeser ♪ 160 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:17,692 And then Hard Core came along. 161 00:07:17,817 --> 00:07:23,698 It was like building the most deadly fembot, and it was amazing. 162 00:07:23,782 --> 00:07:26,826 ♪ Yo shorty, won't you go get a bag Of the lethal ♪ 163 00:07:26,910 --> 00:07:29,537 ♪ I'll be undressed in the bra All see-through ♪ 164 00:07:29,663 --> 00:07:32,791 When Big first played my album in front of Puffy, 165 00:07:32,999 --> 00:07:34,542 Biggie played "Crush on You". 166 00:07:34,626 --> 00:07:37,128 ♪ The only one thing I wanna do Is freak you ♪ 167 00:07:37,212 --> 00:07:38,505 And Puffy was like... 168 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,718 He just stared at Big. 169 00:07:43,802 --> 00:07:46,346 ♪ Keep your stone sets I got my own baguettes ♪ 170 00:07:46,471 --> 00:07:48,890 ♪ And I'll be doing things That you won't regret ♪ 171 00:07:48,974 --> 00:07:50,433 By the end of the record, he said, 172 00:07:50,517 --> 00:07:52,852 "Money, what the fuck is this shit? 173 00:07:53,436 --> 00:07:55,021 This shit is cra-- 174 00:07:55,105 --> 00:07:59,150 No, this shit is a platinum album. This shit is fucking crazy.” 175 00:07:59,234 --> 00:08:00,527 ♪ Yes indeed! ♪ 176 00:08:00,610 --> 00:08:02,153 She was the female Biggie. 177 00:08:02,237 --> 00:08:04,239 This is how dope she is. 178 00:08:04,572 --> 00:08:07,367 But she's like, way cockier. 179 00:08:07,617 --> 00:08:09,911 When Kim came on the scene, 180 00:08:10,036 --> 00:08:12,580 she took the sexuality away from guys. 181 00:08:12,664 --> 00:08:14,749 She took the misogyny away. 182 00:08:14,874 --> 00:08:16,793 She put an apple in your mouth. 183 00:08:16,876 --> 00:08:18,920 Tired a rope around you 184 00:08:19,004 --> 00:08:21,464 and just started spanking you. 185 00:08:21,548 --> 00:08:24,175 ♪ You know I love the way you feel-a Sip my tequil-a ♪ 186 00:08:24,259 --> 00:08:26,885 ♪ Works from the dealers Full-length chinchilla ♪ 187 00:08:26,970 --> 00:08:30,097 People talk a lot about her to the representation, 188 00:08:30,181 --> 00:08:34,477 what she wore, didn't wear, and the sort of sexual explicitness 189 00:08:34,561 --> 00:08:36,438 of her lyrics. 190 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:42,027 But she really had a flow that just would stop you in your tracks. 191 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,320 She was an incredible MC. 192 00:08:44,404 --> 00:08:45,947 Kim rides that beat, 193 00:08:46,031 --> 00:08:47,657 that Brooklyn vibe 194 00:08:47,741 --> 00:08:50,243 where you can lag behind a little bit, 195 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:52,954 catch up and run it and then get back again. 196 00:08:53,538 --> 00:08:56,875 It’s the swag that's undeniable that comes 197 00:08:57,375 --> 00:08:58,418 with Brooklyn. 198 00:08:58,501 --> 00:09:00,545 ♪ I'ma throw shade if I can't get paid ♪ 199 00:09:00,628 --> 00:09:02,839 ♪ Blow you up to your girl Like the army grenade ♪ 200 00:09:02,922 --> 00:09:06,092 ♪ You can slide on my ice Like the escapade ♪ 201 00:09:06,176 --> 00:09:08,303 ♪ And itchy-gitchy-yaya With the marmalade ♪ 202 00:09:08,386 --> 00:09:10,597 [Joan] It was an ongoing narrative at that point, 203 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,390 that women rappers did not sell. 204 00:09:12,766 --> 00:09:14,309 As beloved as Latifah was, 205 00:09:14,392 --> 00:09:16,269 what people would constantly throw in your face 206 00:09:16,352 --> 00:09:18,396 is that she's never been able to go platinum. 207 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,192 But when Kim came out and occupied a lane 208 00:09:22,275 --> 00:09:24,611 that was about sexuality, was about violence, 209 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:26,196 and was, like, able to go platinum, 210 00:09:26,321 --> 00:09:27,989 it changed the game. 211 00:09:28,531 --> 00:09:30,950 Hi, MTV. I’m finally here. 212 00:09:31,034 --> 00:09:33,912 ♪ I gotta let you know That I got a crush on you ♪ 213 00:09:34,370 --> 00:09:36,247 [Biggie] That's Kim, you know? From day one. 214 00:09:36,331 --> 00:09:38,166 She was always standing out. 215 00:09:38,249 --> 00:09:40,085 -I knew she had some skills. -[TV interviewer] Right. 216 00:09:40,168 --> 00:09:43,379 And I knew what I was planning on doing as far as with the Junior MAFIA project 217 00:09:44,005 --> 00:09:46,216 and she just fit, she just fit the criteria. 218 00:09:46,674 --> 00:09:48,968 [TV interviewer] All right, a new album coming to the forefront? 219 00:09:49,052 --> 00:09:51,179 -March 25th. -[man] March 2-5. 220 00:09:51,262 --> 00:09:52,430 Yeah, it’s gonna be on. 221 00:09:57,352 --> 00:09:59,854 [narrator] Biggie's success with Lil' Kim and Junior MAFIA 222 00:10:00,063 --> 00:10:02,524 proved he had the acumen to match his ambition. 223 00:10:03,149 --> 00:10:04,734 And, after years of turmoil, 224 00:10:04,818 --> 00:10:06,694 and with his sophomore album done, 225 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:08,822 Biggie was ready to put the beef behind him. 226 00:10:09,447 --> 00:10:11,407 And, only six months after Pac's death, 227 00:10:11,491 --> 00:10:13,743 Big would head out to California to promo his record, 228 00:10:13,993 --> 00:10:17,163 and try to bring some peace to the still fractured hip-hop community. 229 00:10:18,957 --> 00:10:20,542 -[Biggie] Sup? -[radio presenter] How you doing? 230 00:10:20,625 --> 00:10:24,546 Y107, the Bay area’s party station. Notorious BIG is in studio. 231 00:10:24,629 --> 00:10:26,798 We want to thank you right off the bat for coming in. 232 00:10:26,923 --> 00:10:29,259 Let’s take a quick break. Let’s come back and talk music. 233 00:10:29,592 --> 00:10:31,761 What his perspective was, there's all this 234 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:34,472 "East versus West and me versus Tupac. 235 00:10:34,556 --> 00:10:37,058 Let me get out there. Let me start talking to people. 236 00:10:37,142 --> 00:10:38,768 Let me do radio interviews. 237 00:10:38,852 --> 00:10:41,771 Let them understand that I surely didn't want Tupac dead. 238 00:10:41,980 --> 00:10:43,189 He was a friend of mine. 239 00:10:43,648 --> 00:10:45,984 We gotta work this shit out.” 240 00:10:46,985 --> 00:10:49,571 But I don't think that he fully understood 241 00:10:49,821 --> 00:10:53,283 or anyone at that time really understood how much danger he was in being out here. 242 00:10:55,994 --> 00:10:58,288 [police siren] 243 00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:03,001 [Nashiem] And I told Big the night before they left, 244 00:11:03,084 --> 00:11:07,005 we was all in studio together and I told him, "Be careful out there." 245 00:11:08,464 --> 00:11:10,675 I think it was six months after Pac died. 246 00:11:10,925 --> 00:11:14,012 That’s damn near a day and night when it comes to beef. 247 00:11:14,387 --> 00:11:16,306 That's just enough time to plan. 248 00:11:16,848 --> 00:11:19,559 It’s fresh. I’m from New York City streets. 249 00:11:19,684 --> 00:11:21,311 You all know, I don't give a fuck 250 00:11:21,394 --> 00:11:23,771 if you got beef around the corner from your crib. 251 00:11:24,397 --> 00:11:27,275 You don't go around the corner until that beef is handled. 252 00:11:27,483 --> 00:11:28,318 Mhm. 253 00:11:29,235 --> 00:11:31,571 You understand? This thing is going to California? 254 00:11:31,779 --> 00:11:35,158 [radio interviewer] You collaborate on anything with West Coast producers-- 255 00:11:35,283 --> 00:11:37,577 I haven't, but I will. I mean... 256 00:11:38,161 --> 00:11:40,288 [clears throat] I’m just getting over, you know, 257 00:11:40,371 --> 00:11:43,333 this whole situation with this East Coast, West Coast thing, and-- 258 00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:46,127 They’re going through their things, we’re going through ours. 259 00:11:46,211 --> 00:11:47,754 I just came over, you know, 260 00:11:48,129 --> 00:11:49,631 trying to basically squash it. 261 00:11:49,714 --> 00:11:53,051 I mean, I, I hate to say squashing it, because it was never a beef to me. 262 00:11:53,134 --> 00:11:54,219 -Right. -You know? 263 00:11:54,302 --> 00:11:57,222 I never felt threatened by it, so I hate to say "squash it." 264 00:11:57,472 --> 00:11:59,599 -I just want to end this-- -Put it behind us. 265 00:11:59,724 --> 00:12:00,850 Let's put it all behind. 266 00:12:00,934 --> 00:12:03,102 [radio interviewer] People are going to ask about Tupac. 267 00:12:03,186 --> 00:12:06,147 He said, in one of his songs, he knows you sent somebody 268 00:12:06,231 --> 00:12:07,899 to shoot him that first time. Is that true? 269 00:12:07,982 --> 00:12:10,401 Why? No, it's false. Why would I do that? 270 00:12:10,693 --> 00:12:12,487 It’s been a pleasure. Let me shake your hand. 271 00:12:12,570 --> 00:12:14,447 -All right, man. -Thanks very much. 272 00:12:14,572 --> 00:12:15,865 Thanks very much. Appreciate it. 273 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:18,660 We was doing interviews and we wound up at the Vibe party and it was 274 00:12:19,244 --> 00:12:21,621 one of the best parties I had been to in my whole life. 275 00:12:22,372 --> 00:12:25,541 It was like a real star-studded event. Nothing but love. 276 00:12:25,792 --> 00:12:29,337 It was the one night we didn't get nobody throwing up a west side at us, 277 00:12:29,629 --> 00:12:31,422 or giving us a funny face looking, or-- 278 00:12:31,506 --> 00:12:34,092 You know, it was really just a smooth, smooth night. 279 00:12:34,175 --> 00:12:35,468 Nothing really got crazy 280 00:12:35,551 --> 00:12:37,553 until we walked outside and got in that car. 281 00:12:37,637 --> 00:12:39,472 That's when everything changed. 282 00:12:40,014 --> 00:12:41,808 Went from the best night to... 283 00:12:42,225 --> 00:12:44,227 the worst night of my life, to this day. 284 00:12:47,605 --> 00:12:49,607 [tense, sparse music] 285 00:12:51,317 --> 00:12:54,988 [reporter] Rapper Notorious BIG had just gotten into the Chevy Suburban 286 00:12:55,071 --> 00:12:58,491 parked at Fairfax and Wilshire when someone drove by and opened fire. 287 00:12:59,742 --> 00:13:01,953 I was at one light and his car is pulled up 288 00:13:02,036 --> 00:13:03,705 to the other light as it changed, 289 00:13:03,788 --> 00:13:07,709 so the red light hits, I'm at this light, I keep going up Wilshire Boulevard. 290 00:13:07,792 --> 00:13:09,836 They’re at the corner of Wilshire, about to turn on, 291 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:12,088 because we were all gonna go to another party. 292 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,424 And I went to the party. 293 00:13:14,507 --> 00:13:16,718 And as soon as I get there, my phone starts ringing. 294 00:13:16,884 --> 00:13:19,512 Like, "Yo, your man." 295 00:13:19,595 --> 00:13:21,848 And I was like, “My man what?” “Yo, your man got shot.” 296 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:24,809 “Who? My man Big. No, he didn't get shot. You sound stupid." 297 00:13:26,019 --> 00:13:29,105 Call me back, "Yo, it's true. He's at the hospital." 298 00:13:29,188 --> 00:13:31,399 And I go to the hospital and he's... 299 00:13:38,906 --> 00:13:41,576 The rapper's driver raced to Cedar Sinai Medical Center 300 00:13:41,659 --> 00:13:44,120 where the 24-year old was pronounced dead. 301 00:13:44,412 --> 00:13:48,041 It didn't take long for rumors to spread that this was a revenge killing. 302 00:13:48,666 --> 00:13:51,711 [Lil' Kim] The last time I spoke to Big was when he first got to LA. 303 00:13:51,878 --> 00:13:52,754 He was like... 304 00:13:53,629 --> 00:13:55,673 I just want to tell you how proud I am of you. 305 00:13:56,257 --> 00:13:57,842 He's never said those words to me. 306 00:13:57,925 --> 00:14:01,429 He was like, "I'm proud of you. I'm really proud of you." 307 00:14:02,055 --> 00:14:04,307 And so, when I got the call, 308 00:14:04,390 --> 00:14:05,892 I was like, “No. 309 00:14:06,893 --> 00:14:08,561 No, they got a mistake. 310 00:14:08,895 --> 00:14:10,897 I just spoke to Big, he’s fine." 311 00:14:11,522 --> 00:14:12,357 You know? 312 00:14:12,565 --> 00:14:14,776 I was like, "I'm going to the hood." 313 00:14:16,444 --> 00:14:18,363 And when I got to the hood, 314 00:14:18,446 --> 00:14:20,406 everybody Ms. Wallace, everybody, 315 00:14:20,490 --> 00:14:23,326 they were all getting ready to go get on a plane and it just... 316 00:14:24,744 --> 00:14:26,329 it was just like... 317 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:29,207 it sunk in at that point. 318 00:14:35,004 --> 00:14:36,756 [reporter] Police were out in force, as the hearse 319 00:14:36,839 --> 00:14:39,008 led a procession of mourners in limousines 320 00:14:39,092 --> 00:14:41,928 through the streets of Brooklyn's Bed-Stuy section 321 00:14:42,011 --> 00:14:45,181 where he grew up, and where his mother, Voletta Wallace, still lives. 322 00:14:46,849 --> 00:14:48,643 [Lance] I just remember all the people out here. 323 00:14:49,102 --> 00:14:51,104 I mean there was people out here for days, 324 00:14:51,187 --> 00:14:52,939 I mean blocks blocked off, you know? 325 00:14:53,564 --> 00:14:56,776 People hanging out their windows. People on top of cars. 326 00:14:58,444 --> 00:15:00,696 That only happens for mayors and presidents and... 327 00:15:01,072 --> 00:15:02,281 you know, people like that. 328 00:15:02,573 --> 00:15:04,951 -[car horns beeping] -[wailing] 329 00:15:07,328 --> 00:15:09,997 [Faith Evans] I was in that car with Miss Wallace, and I saw that moment 330 00:15:10,248 --> 00:15:13,334 when she felt like, "Oh my God. My son was this huge!" 331 00:15:13,418 --> 00:15:16,629 When you saw those people hanging off the bridge, and out of all the buildings. 332 00:15:17,213 --> 00:15:19,549 You know, it just felt like, "Okay, 333 00:15:19,632 --> 00:15:23,177 let's just kind of rejoice in the great person that he was 334 00:15:23,261 --> 00:15:25,012 and why we all feel the way we feel about him." 335 00:15:28,516 --> 00:15:30,518 [chanting] 336 00:15:32,228 --> 00:15:34,564 [crowd shouting] 337 00:15:36,732 --> 00:15:39,819 [Lil' Kim] I remember being at the casket, like, just grabbing his arm, 338 00:15:39,902 --> 00:15:41,487 Mary had to hold me up. 339 00:15:42,029 --> 00:15:44,699 and I was young and I was scared 340 00:15:44,782 --> 00:15:46,784 and I was alone and I was angry and I was... 341 00:15:47,201 --> 00:15:49,203 sad, and I was confused and I was... 342 00:15:49,662 --> 00:15:51,956 "What's going to happen and what's-- oh my God." 343 00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:56,752 [Puff] When you're... 344 00:15:57,044 --> 00:15:58,838 really striving for your dreams, 345 00:15:58,921 --> 00:16:01,924 you go through a lot of obstacles, a lot of different dark times. 346 00:16:02,467 --> 00:16:05,553 But this was one that I just-- I just wasn't really prepared for that. 347 00:16:05,636 --> 00:16:07,054 I didn't get into this... 348 00:16:07,388 --> 00:16:09,599 to have to see anybody die. 349 00:16:10,183 --> 00:16:11,642 We was on top of the world, 350 00:16:12,018 --> 00:16:14,145 and then nothing-- nothing mattered. 351 00:16:15,771 --> 00:16:18,149 When you have these two unsolved murders 352 00:16:18,441 --> 00:16:19,775 of Biggie and Tupac, 353 00:16:20,067 --> 00:16:22,445 you're wondering, what did it all really mean? 354 00:16:22,612 --> 00:16:23,738 And why did it happen 355 00:16:23,905 --> 00:16:26,199 and did it need to happen, because it didn't need to happen. 356 00:16:26,741 --> 00:16:31,704 Ultimately, I think these two artists were the victims of circumstances 357 00:16:31,787 --> 00:16:33,581 that they ultimately had nothing to do with. 358 00:16:33,956 --> 00:16:38,085 That's really the tragedy of-- of what happened. 359 00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:48,888 I remember the first day back in the studio after the funeral. 360 00:16:49,388 --> 00:16:50,681 Puff comes through, 361 00:16:51,432 --> 00:16:54,143 and I mean, he's done lost like 20 pounds. 362 00:16:55,102 --> 00:16:57,104 And he comes to me, and is like, 363 00:16:57,396 --> 00:16:58,940 “I'm through. I'm through with it. 364 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,150 I can't do it no more." 365 00:17:01,608 --> 00:17:03,486 So, me and Dash looking at him like, 366 00:17:05,445 --> 00:17:06,280 this ain't Puff. 367 00:17:06,906 --> 00:17:09,867 [Puff] I was ready to quit. I wasn't going to put out more records. 368 00:17:10,076 --> 00:17:11,827 Then I was watching TV one day, 369 00:17:11,953 --> 00:17:15,039 you know, one of those times of despair that nobody is around, 370 00:17:15,498 --> 00:17:16,958 and you're crying on the floor 371 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,835 and the self-pity is at an all-time high, 372 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:21,921 and you're asking God why, 373 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:23,714 and then I just heard... 374 00:17:24,715 --> 00:17:26,717 "Every Breath You Take" by The Police. 375 00:17:27,301 --> 00:17:29,804 [Intro to "Every Breath You Take", The Police] 376 00:17:31,264 --> 00:17:32,723 I just took it as a sign, 377 00:17:32,807 --> 00:17:35,518 and sometimes you need- you just need that little bit of light 378 00:17:36,018 --> 00:17:38,396 to be able to express yourself, 379 00:17:38,479 --> 00:17:41,107 and I thought that the best thing I could do was to not give up. 380 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:43,943 I was down and I was out, but I wasn't finished. 381 00:17:44,694 --> 00:17:48,239 But all I could do was get up and start to fight. 382 00:17:48,781 --> 00:17:51,033 That's the way Big would have wanted it. 383 00:17:51,117 --> 00:17:52,535 ♪ True love Check it ♪ 384 00:17:52,618 --> 00:17:54,870 ♪ Seems like yesterday We used to rock the show ♪ 385 00:17:55,121 --> 00:17:57,123 ♪ I laced the track, you locked the flow ♪ 386 00:17:57,331 --> 00:17:59,417 ♪ So far from hanging on the block For dough ♪ 387 00:17:59,542 --> 00:18:01,252 ♪ Notorious, they got to know ♪ 388 00:18:01,335 --> 00:18:03,546 ♪ That life ain't always What it seem to be ♪ 389 00:18:03,796 --> 00:18:05,756 ♪ Words can't express What you mean to me ♪ 390 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,925 ♪ Even though you're gone We still a team ♪ 391 00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:10,261 ♪ Through your family I'll fulfill your dream ♪ 392 00:18:10,469 --> 00:18:13,848 ♪ In the future, can't wait to see If you open up the gates for me ♪ 393 00:18:13,931 --> 00:18:16,517 From that day, I got up, I was in the studio that night. 394 00:18:16,601 --> 00:18:19,395 That song kind of-- really kind of saved my life. 395 00:18:19,937 --> 00:18:22,523 Before that, I was really kind of nervous about being an artist. 396 00:18:22,607 --> 00:18:24,734 Big was pushing me as far as being an artist. 397 00:18:24,817 --> 00:18:25,985 I felt like I... 398 00:18:26,402 --> 00:18:28,154 I'm a really good hype, man. 399 00:18:28,738 --> 00:18:32,366 But I remember recording "Missing You," and 400 00:18:32,658 --> 00:18:35,328 just knowing that it was going to change hip-hop. 401 00:18:35,411 --> 00:18:37,747 Because hip-hop wasn't really vulnerable. 402 00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:41,042 This was like hip-hop artists dancing in the rain, 403 00:18:41,417 --> 00:18:44,754 walking up the green hills with kids and wearing a suit. 404 00:18:45,087 --> 00:18:47,965 People may have considered it as not gangsta or not... 405 00:18:48,382 --> 00:18:49,717 keeping it real. 406 00:18:50,217 --> 00:18:51,052 And... 407 00:18:51,802 --> 00:18:54,722 I didn't really care about any of that. I just wanted to express 408 00:18:55,139 --> 00:18:56,474 the pain. 409 00:18:56,557 --> 00:18:58,684 ♪ It's kinda hard with you not around ♪ 410 00:18:58,851 --> 00:19:00,853 ♪ Know you in heaven, smiling down ♪ 411 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:02,938 ♪ Watching us while we pray for you ♪ 412 00:19:03,189 --> 00:19:05,107 ♪ Every day we pray for you ♪ 413 00:19:05,399 --> 00:19:07,276 ♪ 'Til the day we meet again ♪ 414 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,695 ♪ In my heart Is where I'll keep you, friend ♪ 415 00:19:09,862 --> 00:19:12,281 That song humanized us. 416 00:19:13,324 --> 00:19:15,826 We can be at our lowest point, and still... 417 00:19:16,285 --> 00:19:17,244 have hope. 418 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:20,206 ♪ I know you're still living your life After death ♪ 419 00:19:22,917 --> 00:19:26,921 - ♪ Every move I make -I miss you ♪ 420 00:19:27,004 --> 00:19:31,425 ♪ Every single day Every time I pray ♪ 421 00:19:31,550 --> 00:19:34,053 ♪ I'll be missing you ♪ 422 00:19:34,178 --> 00:19:35,680 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 423 00:19:35,763 --> 00:19:37,598 [Faith] I was really not in a place... 424 00:19:38,182 --> 00:19:40,059 where I wanted to record anything. 425 00:19:40,184 --> 00:19:42,436 And I was in mourning myself, 426 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,272 I just lost my husband, my son's father, 427 00:19:45,523 --> 00:19:49,110 and all of these other things that I was now responsible for. 428 00:19:49,944 --> 00:19:51,278 But "I'll be missing you"... 429 00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:52,613 It was very healing. 430 00:19:52,697 --> 00:19:56,701 ♪ On that morning ♪ 431 00:19:57,034 --> 00:20:01,330 ♪ When this life is over ♪ 432 00:20:02,206 --> 00:20:08,129 ♪ I know I'll see your face ♪ 433 00:20:08,379 --> 00:20:11,382 [Puff] "Missing you" was the first record that was number one in every country. 434 00:20:11,549 --> 00:20:14,176 So it wasn't all pain, 435 00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:18,514 but it can never feel as great as it's supposed to feel, 436 00:20:18,931 --> 00:20:20,224 with Biggie being here. 437 00:20:22,727 --> 00:20:23,602 Yeah. 438 00:20:23,853 --> 00:20:28,524 ♪ Every time I pray I'll be missing you ♪ 439 00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:31,819 [Rashiem] "Missing you"... 440 00:20:32,069 --> 00:20:34,697 that was the breath of fresh air 441 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:36,824 that was needed in Hip-Hop. 442 00:20:37,158 --> 00:20:42,204 We seen that we could console our man's death, and continue 443 00:20:42,913 --> 00:20:45,374 consoling each other through our music. 444 00:20:46,709 --> 00:20:48,544 [mellow beats] 445 00:20:55,301 --> 00:20:58,387 [narrator] "I'll be missing you" will go on to sell eight million copies, 446 00:20:58,637 --> 00:21:00,806 and become the first rap single in history to debut 447 00:21:00,890 --> 00:21:02,892 at number one on the Billboard chart. 448 00:21:03,476 --> 00:21:05,394 But, with their star artist, Biggie, gone, 449 00:21:05,561 --> 00:21:07,563 Bad Boy's dominance wasn't guaranteed. 450 00:21:08,564 --> 00:21:10,566 Fortunately, Puff had a plan in place. 451 00:21:10,941 --> 00:21:12,985 A vision he had started two years earlier, 452 00:21:13,068 --> 00:21:15,237 when he assembled a crew of up and coming producers 453 00:21:15,321 --> 00:21:17,323 that he named The Hitmen. 454 00:21:23,329 --> 00:21:26,457 Puff, he wanted to put together a producing crew. 455 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:29,585 Why not? In-house producing crew. A Bad Boy thing. 456 00:21:30,085 --> 00:21:33,422 And we weren't seasoned vets, we weren't... um... 457 00:21:33,923 --> 00:21:35,132 seasoned at all. 458 00:21:35,341 --> 00:21:37,343 I call us a bunch of misfits, 459 00:21:37,426 --> 00:21:41,222 because he could have got much better talent than us as Hitmen. 460 00:21:41,347 --> 00:21:44,058 But I guess Puff is the genius for that. 461 00:21:44,558 --> 00:21:45,559 [laughing] 462 00:21:45,643 --> 00:21:47,520 One day I see Puff, and he says, 463 00:21:47,603 --> 00:21:49,563 “I got something important to talk about.” 464 00:21:49,688 --> 00:21:52,608 So he invites Ron Lawrence, Nashiem, Stevie J and myself. 465 00:21:52,691 --> 00:21:54,693 Gives us the whole spiel about The Hitmen, 466 00:21:55,194 --> 00:21:56,987 what he wants to do, what his vision is. 467 00:21:57,071 --> 00:21:58,531 He wants to kill the radio, 468 00:21:58,656 --> 00:21:59,865 He wants us to... 469 00:22:00,032 --> 00:22:02,034 each one of us have our own individual skills. 470 00:22:03,327 --> 00:22:04,787 You got Nashiem Myrick. 471 00:22:04,954 --> 00:22:07,623 Imagine the type of thuggedness hip-hop you’re hearing. 472 00:22:07,790 --> 00:22:09,917 Then you got Stevie J who's picking up soup cans, 473 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,002 and spoons and knives, and making music out of it. 474 00:22:12,086 --> 00:22:15,172 Then you got Ron Lawrence, who's the more technical out of all of us. 475 00:22:15,506 --> 00:22:18,968 And then you got me who's like disco, hip-hop, dance, 476 00:22:19,051 --> 00:22:21,554 Puerto Rican, salsa. So, all that... 477 00:22:21,929 --> 00:22:24,682 and all that stuff you're hearing, I'm bringing all that. 478 00:22:24,807 --> 00:22:28,018 I want to ask you about the Hitman and how you managed to achieve 479 00:22:28,185 --> 00:22:30,312 a cohesive sound for Bad Boy. 480 00:22:30,396 --> 00:22:32,815 I was always a big fan of Quincy Jones, 481 00:22:32,898 --> 00:22:35,609 not as a producer, but more as an orchestrator. 482 00:22:35,693 --> 00:22:37,444 I never saw him play an instrument, 483 00:22:37,528 --> 00:22:39,989 and that empowered me, because I didn't play any instruments. 484 00:22:40,072 --> 00:22:42,616 I saw him giving direction, I was good at giving directions, 485 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:45,035 and I was like, you know, I could do that. 486 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,872 [electronic beats] 487 00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:54,503 The Hitmen, they believed in me and my leadership, 488 00:22:54,587 --> 00:22:56,589 so you had that cohesive sound. 489 00:22:56,714 --> 00:22:58,132 So it's coming from one brain, 490 00:22:58,215 --> 00:23:00,259 like, our collective brain. 491 00:23:01,093 --> 00:23:04,430 [Ron] The idea of The Hitmen was to dominate the airwaves. 492 00:23:04,513 --> 00:23:06,765 It was like, every record got to be a Bad Boy record. 493 00:23:07,266 --> 00:23:10,060 Every song you hear has to be us, 494 00:23:10,394 --> 00:23:11,854 and has to be number one. 495 00:23:12,938 --> 00:23:15,566 So, Puffy wasn't giving nobody any days off. 496 00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:18,485 You all need to be kicking out at least four or five beats a week. 497 00:23:19,778 --> 00:23:22,948 And, there was just so much going on at the time. 498 00:23:23,198 --> 00:23:26,493 That whole Bad Boy/Death Row thing was a lot of tension for us. 499 00:23:26,577 --> 00:23:29,538 I think the way to get away from that and to concentrate 500 00:23:29,622 --> 00:23:30,915 would be to go away 501 00:23:31,832 --> 00:23:33,667 and leave all the riff raff behind. 502 00:23:40,341 --> 00:23:43,260 [Deric] Puffy put together the famous trip to Trinidad in '96. 503 00:23:43,427 --> 00:23:46,221 Caribbean sound basin. It was beautiful. 504 00:23:46,305 --> 00:23:47,514 [man] Here he comes. 505 00:23:48,724 --> 00:23:49,600 What's up? 506 00:23:52,603 --> 00:23:55,147 We shipped records out there, turntables, speakers. 507 00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:56,732 We shipped all our stuff out there. 508 00:23:57,024 --> 00:23:59,026 [Nashiem] I had never been to Trinidad before that. 509 00:23:59,193 --> 00:24:01,654 Only island I'd been was Long Island. 510 00:24:01,737 --> 00:24:03,364 Right? [chuckling] 511 00:24:04,156 --> 00:24:05,991 Puff had put us into teams. 512 00:24:06,075 --> 00:24:08,202 He said whoever comes up with the most hits... 513 00:24:08,369 --> 00:24:09,453 I forget the prize. 514 00:24:09,536 --> 00:24:11,872 I'm sure we was playing for something. 515 00:24:11,956 --> 00:24:14,625 Everything was in-house, so we didn't have to go anywhere. 516 00:24:15,042 --> 00:24:17,795 You wake up in the morning, you're on the drum machine. 517 00:24:17,878 --> 00:24:19,338 And you're doing that all night. 518 00:24:19,421 --> 00:24:21,924 It was just a workforce 24 hours around the clock. 519 00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:24,343 Only time we had to leave out is if we went to the beach. 520 00:24:25,344 --> 00:24:28,764 In Trinidad, I was in the room by myself, just going through records, 521 00:24:29,014 --> 00:24:31,892 and Barry White is one of my idols. One of the greatest to ever do it. 522 00:24:31,976 --> 00:24:33,769 And he had that Love Unlimited Orchestra. 523 00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:38,941 Mind you, I'm still learning how to make beats. 524 00:24:39,024 --> 00:24:41,151 I'm the rookie. So I took the sample, 525 00:24:42,528 --> 00:24:43,654 slowed it down, 526 00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:45,906 and I reversed it. 527 00:24:46,073 --> 00:24:47,992 [mimics a reversed record] 528 00:24:48,075 --> 00:24:49,076 I was like, "I got it." 529 00:24:49,785 --> 00:24:51,787 ["Barry's Theme", Barry White] 530 00:24:53,831 --> 00:24:56,250 So, finally, “Hey, what you doing up there, Puff? 531 00:24:56,542 --> 00:25:00,170 There ain't nothing going on. Everybody else-- you're getting on me.” 532 00:25:01,130 --> 00:25:04,049 He don't know I'm Brooklyn style. He has no idea what's happening up here. 533 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,928 You know, what I mean? He has no idea what he about to fucking hear. 534 00:25:09,138 --> 00:25:10,848 All right, I come downstairs, 535 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:13,100 chest out. I got on shorts, it's hot. 536 00:25:13,225 --> 00:25:14,560 You know, Bermuda shit. 537 00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:16,270 [mimes lighting a blunt] 538 00:25:16,812 --> 00:25:20,649 -[beat playing] -[men whooping] 539 00:25:21,608 --> 00:25:23,902 [joins in reversed theme] 540 00:25:24,611 --> 00:25:26,321 [men whooping] 541 00:25:26,947 --> 00:25:29,116 Skin starts coming off of people's bodies, 542 00:25:29,491 --> 00:25:32,286 snot start coming out people's nose and they're throwing up. 543 00:25:32,369 --> 00:25:35,706 "What the fuck is that? Oh my God!" [whooping] 544 00:25:35,789 --> 00:25:37,207 That was a moment for me, like, 545 00:25:37,291 --> 00:25:41,211 "Yeah, let me play y'all this shit. Press play on that, motherfucker." 546 00:25:41,295 --> 00:25:43,213 You know what I'm saying? That's how I felt. 547 00:25:43,881 --> 00:25:45,966 ♪ Now, what y'all wanna do? ♪ 548 00:25:46,216 --> 00:25:49,386 ♪ Wanna be ballers? Shot-callers? Brawlers? ♪ 549 00:25:49,928 --> 00:25:52,056 ♪ Who be dippin' in the Benz With the spoilers ♪ 550 00:25:52,765 --> 00:25:54,850 ♪ On the low from the Jake in the Taurus ♪ 551 00:25:54,933 --> 00:25:57,603 ♪ Tryin' to get my hands On some Grants like Horace ♪ 552 00:25:57,686 --> 00:25:59,396 ♪ Yeah livin' the raw deal ♪ 553 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,691 ♪ Three course meals Spaghetti, fettuccine, and veal ♪ 554 00:26:02,775 --> 00:26:05,861 [Ron] In Trinidad, Puff was looking for a particular sound. 555 00:26:05,944 --> 00:26:07,863 He was-- he was looking for something different, 556 00:26:07,946 --> 00:26:11,450 and the way we did it, we were able to give it a certain flavor. 557 00:26:11,533 --> 00:26:12,826 Even though it was commercial, 558 00:26:12,910 --> 00:26:16,163 it was still hard at the same time and everybody can get to it. 559 00:26:16,246 --> 00:26:18,957 It was unbelievable, the stuff that we were turning out down there, 560 00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:21,418 because we were stuck on an island 561 00:26:21,502 --> 00:26:23,337 and had nothing else to do but make music. 562 00:26:24,088 --> 00:26:25,255 ♪ You ready, Mase? ♪ 563 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:28,425 ♪ Party people in the place to be ♪ 564 00:26:28,509 --> 00:26:30,135 ♪ It's about that time ♪ 565 00:26:30,219 --> 00:26:31,303 ♪ For us to... ♪ 566 00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:34,932 ♪ Yo, what you know about goin out? ♪ 567 00:26:35,015 --> 00:26:37,726 ♪ Head wet, red Lex TV's all up in the headrest ♪ 568 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:40,020 ♪ Try and live it up Ride into bigger truck ♪ 569 00:26:40,104 --> 00:26:42,481 ♪ Peace all glittered up Sticker kid, nigga what? ♪ 570 00:26:42,564 --> 00:26:46,151 It was like, every track we put out murders it. 571 00:26:46,235 --> 00:26:48,862 We have Ma$e, we have Puff album, 572 00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:51,490 then you have the Legacy of Big. 573 00:26:51,615 --> 00:26:53,450 We can do no wrong at this time. 574 00:26:53,534 --> 00:26:55,661 ♪ Lighting up drugs Always fighting in the club ♪ 575 00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:57,454 ♪ I'm the reason they made the drugs ♪ 576 00:26:57,538 --> 00:26:59,123 Post Pac and Biggie, 577 00:26:59,248 --> 00:27:03,085 people needed a break, people want to have fun for a fucking minute. 578 00:27:03,168 --> 00:27:04,670 Just fun music 579 00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:07,422 to escape the fucking ills of the ghetto. 580 00:27:08,215 --> 00:27:10,217 And here come the jiggy era. 581 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,803 ♪ Bad, bad, bad, bad boy ♪ 582 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:18,892 ♪ You make me feel so good You know you make me feel so good ♪ 583 00:27:19,601 --> 00:27:23,564 [Puff] I just started to choose real big worldwide samples, 584 00:27:23,647 --> 00:27:27,609 and I figured out how to keep them black as a motherfucker. 585 00:27:27,693 --> 00:27:31,029 And they would go pop, but they would still be so fucking black. 586 00:27:31,113 --> 00:27:34,241 We make that cookout music, we made that get married music, 587 00:27:34,324 --> 00:27:37,411 we make that making baby music. It was uncharted territory. 588 00:27:37,494 --> 00:27:39,329 ♪ Do Mase got the ladies? Yeah, yeah ♪ 589 00:27:39,413 --> 00:27:41,748 ♪ Do Puff drive Mercedes? Yeah, yeah ♪ 590 00:27:41,832 --> 00:27:44,042 ♪ Take hits from the 80's? Yeah, yeah ♪ 591 00:27:44,126 --> 00:27:46,336 ♪ But do it sound so crazy? Yeah, yeah ♪ 592 00:27:46,837 --> 00:27:50,174 [DJ Clark Kent] Puff Daddy made it absolutely perfect to be rich, 593 00:27:50,257 --> 00:27:51,967 and be super-duper fly. 594 00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:55,888 Puff was like, “fuck that - we're going to buy Bentleys, live in big houses, 595 00:27:55,971 --> 00:27:57,973 we're going to have the most outrageous videos. 596 00:27:58,056 --> 00:28:00,058 We're just going to be over the top.” 597 00:28:00,184 --> 00:28:03,353 Motherfuckers wasn't comfortable dancing. He didn't give a fuck, he danced. 598 00:28:03,437 --> 00:28:05,397 Motherfuckers wasn't comfortable with shiny suits, 599 00:28:05,522 --> 00:28:08,192 he was like, “Y’all motherfuckers gonna put shiny suits on.” 600 00:28:09,318 --> 00:28:11,778 And he made ghetto fabulous, 601 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:13,238 fabulous! 602 00:28:13,488 --> 00:28:16,074 ♪ Now with Sean on the hot track Melt like it's hot wax ♪ 603 00:28:16,158 --> 00:28:18,827 ♪ Put it out, all the stores, Bet you could shop that ♪ 604 00:28:19,036 --> 00:28:20,579 ♪ Leave a nigga with a hot hat ♪ 605 00:28:20,662 --> 00:28:22,664 ♪ Fronting like Bad Boy ain't got tracks ♪ 606 00:28:22,748 --> 00:28:23,790 ♪Nigga stop that ♪ 607 00:28:23,874 --> 00:28:26,251 ♪ There's no guy slicker Than this young fly nigga ♪ 608 00:28:26,335 --> 00:28:30,088 [Andre] Puff was a coach, and Puff was a stylist, and Puff was a curator. 609 00:28:30,714 --> 00:28:33,467 It was so ghetto fabulous and he was so slick, 610 00:28:33,550 --> 00:28:34,927 and so attitude up. 611 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:37,137 Puff just became the big star of Bad Boy. 612 00:28:37,512 --> 00:28:39,806 All of a sudden, what Puff and Bad Boy did, 613 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,477 that became the formula for successful hip-hop. 614 00:28:43,644 --> 00:28:46,563 Like, it was just a completely different new 615 00:28:47,064 --> 00:28:49,733 sound, vibe, excitement. 616 00:28:49,816 --> 00:28:52,486 And it took over the clubs in a way that 617 00:28:52,903 --> 00:28:54,696 we had never even witnessed before. 618 00:28:55,113 --> 00:28:56,990 ♪ Broken glass everywhere ♪ 619 00:28:57,074 --> 00:28:59,660 ♪ If it ain't about the money, Puff I just don't care ♪ 620 00:29:00,327 --> 00:29:02,537 [Kevin] In '97, Bad Boy had... 621 00:29:02,746 --> 00:29:04,957 a moment in time that you had to be in awe, 622 00:29:05,207 --> 00:29:08,377 that these guys, they didn't treat themselves like rappers, 623 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:10,212 they treated themselves like rock stars. 624 00:29:10,545 --> 00:29:13,465 And that's what, you know, allowed them to have 625 00:29:13,924 --> 00:29:15,717 fans of, you know, all colors. 626 00:29:16,301 --> 00:29:19,513 I think it was necessary for the evolution of hip-hop 627 00:29:19,596 --> 00:29:22,891 and it gave our culture a breath of fresh air. 628 00:29:22,975 --> 00:29:27,646 He elevated the sonic venture of hip-hop music in general, 629 00:29:28,105 --> 00:29:30,315 because he was able to do what he knew best: 630 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,235 make you dance, make you feel good. 631 00:29:33,318 --> 00:29:36,905 And he left you with words: can’t stop, won’t stop, never give up. 632 00:29:37,739 --> 00:29:39,533 That inspiration, to me, 633 00:29:39,616 --> 00:29:41,994 is probably the most impactful thing of Sean Combs. 634 00:29:42,286 --> 00:29:44,246 You know, you have to have a certain, like, 635 00:29:44,329 --> 00:29:47,624 cockiness and a certain swagger, to believe in yourself. 636 00:29:47,874 --> 00:29:49,543 So, I couldn't do what Quincy Jones did, 637 00:29:49,626 --> 00:29:52,004 I couldn't do what Teddy Riley did or what Dr. Dre did. 638 00:29:52,087 --> 00:29:55,257 All I could do was what Puff, Bad Boy and Biggie 639 00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:57,467 could do, and what we was doing was something special. 640 00:29:57,968 --> 00:30:02,681 To be honest, I wanted to be the flyest, most money-getting 641 00:30:02,764 --> 00:30:05,767 most record-breaking team in hip-hop history. 642 00:30:05,976 --> 00:30:10,772 ♪ Don't push us 'Cause we're close to the edge ♪ 643 00:30:11,231 --> 00:30:15,193 ♪ We're trying not to lose our heads ♪ 644 00:30:16,653 --> 00:30:18,530 ♪ I get the feeling sometimes That make me wonder ♪ 645 00:30:18,613 --> 00:30:21,158 ♪ Why you want to take us under Why you want to take us under ♪ 646 00:30:22,617 --> 00:30:25,203 [narrator] Puff's success would open new doors for hip-hop, 647 00:30:25,495 --> 00:30:26,872 and help the culture heal. 648 00:30:27,664 --> 00:30:29,166 But from an MC-ing standpoint, 649 00:30:29,583 --> 00:30:31,418 Big's death meant that the unofficial title 650 00:30:31,501 --> 00:30:32,919 of King of New York was now vacant. 651 00:30:34,588 --> 00:30:36,715 The city needed a new heir to the throne. 652 00:30:37,132 --> 00:30:38,884 And, as the hip-hop gods would have it, 653 00:30:39,051 --> 00:30:41,011 a close friend of Big’s had long ago found 654 00:30:41,094 --> 00:30:44,056 the rightful heir in a neighborhood not too far from Big's home. 655 00:30:45,223 --> 00:30:47,309 [slick piano vamp] 656 00:30:52,939 --> 00:30:54,524 [interviewer] When did you meet Jay-Z? 657 00:30:55,233 --> 00:30:56,485 [man] In the Marcy Projects. 658 00:30:56,693 --> 00:30:58,862 He was either 15 or 16. 659 00:30:59,196 --> 00:31:03,367 I was working for a record company, and Jaz-O introduced me to Jay-Z. 660 00:31:03,492 --> 00:31:06,411 If you knew anything about rap in Brooklyn, Jaz-O was, like 661 00:31:07,371 --> 00:31:10,332 the elite of all elite lyricists. 662 00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:13,293 That shit that he's saying is insanity. 663 00:31:13,377 --> 00:31:15,462 ♪ I'm teaching and reaching And flowing and growing ♪ 664 00:31:15,545 --> 00:31:17,297 ♪ The rest of the best Right out of the box ♪ 665 00:31:17,381 --> 00:31:19,132 ♪ I shoot the funky sweat socks ♪ 666 00:31:19,633 --> 00:31:21,635 But he had this guy that he would tell me about, 667 00:31:21,718 --> 00:31:23,637 "My man Jay. My man Jay. My man Jay." 668 00:31:24,137 --> 00:31:26,139 Jay was making money in the street, 669 00:31:26,431 --> 00:31:28,350 but he wanted to be a rapper. 670 00:31:28,517 --> 00:31:30,519 And we heard him rapping, I was just like, 671 00:31:30,727 --> 00:31:32,854 “That’s some ill shit.” 672 00:31:33,522 --> 00:31:35,607 ♪ Wreckin in seconds less Than speeds of light ♪ 673 00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:37,984 ♪ So the miggeda-more that come, The miggeda-merrier, right ♪ 674 00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:40,278 ♪ Exciting the mic much to the delight Of millions of nubians ♪ 675 00:31:40,362 --> 00:31:42,322 ♪ And amorites just can't understand The groove we're in ♪ 676 00:31:42,406 --> 00:31:45,033 ♪ Cool, it might take a couple of takes For you to clarify ♪ 677 00:31:45,117 --> 00:31:47,494 ♪ Don't lie, you coulda never got in On the first try ♪ 678 00:31:47,577 --> 00:31:49,538 ♪ Never to worry, I'm not in a hurry Take your time ♪ 679 00:31:49,621 --> 00:31:51,748 ♪ 'Cause it's my rhyme I siggeda-said so ♪ 680 00:31:51,832 --> 00:31:52,958 When I heard him, I was like, 681 00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:55,210 "Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on here?" 682 00:31:55,293 --> 00:31:58,880 How could these two dudes who rhyme together be that good?" 683 00:31:59,965 --> 00:32:02,467 But this guy had something else. 684 00:32:02,551 --> 00:32:04,886 ♪ And I'm J-A-Y-Z, y'all know me ♪ 685 00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:07,848 ♪ I wish you co-write, cause you'd pay me All the rhymes you stole from me ♪ 686 00:32:07,931 --> 00:32:09,724 [Big Daddy] I knew Jaz-O from Brooklyn. 687 00:32:09,975 --> 00:32:11,476 He asked me to get down with him, 688 00:32:11,768 --> 00:32:14,396 and we did a little mixtape together. 689 00:32:14,479 --> 00:32:19,651 Jaz said, "Yo, mind if my man rhyme on the tape with us." 690 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,653 And I'm like, "That's cool." 691 00:32:22,904 --> 00:32:24,239 Afterwards, I'm like, 692 00:32:24,406 --> 00:32:26,700 "I kind of like his little light skinned homie better. 693 00:32:26,783 --> 00:32:28,201 Let me holler at him." 694 00:32:29,244 --> 00:32:31,538 And that's how me and Jay ended up connecting. 695 00:32:31,621 --> 00:32:35,000 So then when I went on the next tour, I took Jay-Z. 696 00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:40,589 Can you do me a favor? Put your hands together for Jay-Z! 697 00:32:41,047 --> 00:32:42,841 [audience screaming] 698 00:32:43,008 --> 00:32:45,385 ♪ Yo check this out Here I am, the man ♪ 699 00:32:45,469 --> 00:32:48,054 ♪ I zigagedy digagedy The mic again ♪ 700 00:32:48,138 --> 00:32:50,557 [Jay Z rapping, inaudible] 701 00:32:58,523 --> 00:33:00,859 [freestyle continues] 702 00:33:05,197 --> 00:33:07,199 [crowd screaming] 703 00:33:09,367 --> 00:33:12,871 I thought JAY-Z was a dope MC. You know, he was quiet, laid back, 704 00:33:13,163 --> 00:33:16,416 but he was real sarcastic. He always had something smart to say. 705 00:33:17,792 --> 00:33:20,545 [rapid rhyming] 706 00:33:21,171 --> 00:33:23,173 ♪ Wondering, who's that black man ♪ 707 00:33:24,132 --> 00:33:27,010 [Fat Joe] I was there the first time Big Daddy Kane brought him out. 708 00:33:27,093 --> 00:33:29,429 And Jay-Z went up there and started doing the... 709 00:33:29,513 --> 00:33:31,723 [mimics record scratches] 710 00:33:31,806 --> 00:33:35,685 [freestyle continues] 711 00:33:35,936 --> 00:33:38,438 No way I thought Jay-Z at all 712 00:33:38,563 --> 00:33:41,358 would be Jay-Z now from that first introduction. 713 00:33:41,983 --> 00:33:43,860 But I remember one time, in Brooklyn, 714 00:33:44,694 --> 00:33:46,613 coming out of one of them underground joints, 715 00:33:46,696 --> 00:33:48,573 and I seen him battling cats. 716 00:33:48,949 --> 00:33:50,909 Ten, 15 rappers. He was... 717 00:33:52,327 --> 00:33:55,121 He’s going crazy, like, "Are you fucking crazy?" 718 00:33:55,205 --> 00:33:57,249 He was killing, destroying the crowd, 719 00:33:57,332 --> 00:33:59,000 like a fucking superstar. 720 00:33:59,167 --> 00:34:01,378 ♪ Hoppin and poppin The lyrics you all saw ♪ 721 00:34:01,461 --> 00:34:03,004 [freestyle continues] 722 00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:07,175 [DJ Premier] I seen Jay-Z when Jay was with Big Daddy Kane. 723 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:10,679 Because Gang Starrs, we would do a lot of shows opening up for Kane. 724 00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:14,306 And it was like, "Jay-Z is going to be the next hot dude." 725 00:34:14,391 --> 00:34:16,560 So, when Jay wanted to get a deal, 726 00:34:16,643 --> 00:34:18,770 no major label was giving him any shots. 727 00:34:19,062 --> 00:34:20,855 We were just like, what the hell? 728 00:34:21,231 --> 00:34:24,150 We knew what level of the game he deserved to be in. 729 00:34:26,527 --> 00:34:27,862 [DJ Clark Kent] He was so young, 730 00:34:28,362 --> 00:34:31,366 but the shit he was saying, you believed him. 731 00:34:31,866 --> 00:34:35,120 You believed him, and you believed in him. 732 00:34:35,661 --> 00:34:39,123 Unfortunately, record labels didn't see it at that time. 733 00:34:39,248 --> 00:34:41,251 ♪ Jay-Z is outta here ♪ 734 00:34:42,252 --> 00:34:44,838 Jay was like, “Okay, I'm going back to the streets.” 735 00:34:46,255 --> 00:34:48,466 I ain't see him after that for a while. 736 00:34:51,261 --> 00:34:53,263 [car horn honking] 737 00:34:56,808 --> 00:35:00,478 But no one wanted him to have a record deal more than I did. 738 00:35:01,104 --> 00:35:04,399 And I used to go over to Marcy Projects, trying to find Jay. 739 00:35:05,108 --> 00:35:08,820 But, when I did, he was doing way too fine in the street. 740 00:35:09,279 --> 00:35:11,031 Jay was making a lot of money. 741 00:35:11,156 --> 00:35:12,699 He didn't want to rap anymore. 742 00:35:13,992 --> 00:35:17,162 It's hard to tell a kid who's making money in the street 743 00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:20,040 "You're going to be the best rapper you've ever seen." 744 00:35:20,624 --> 00:35:22,792 So I had to make him believe. 745 00:35:23,126 --> 00:35:24,961 [rapping inaudible] 746 00:35:25,045 --> 00:35:26,338 ♪ Ay yo ♪ 747 00:35:26,421 --> 00:35:29,090 [narrator] Jay-Z's talent was obvious to those close to him, 748 00:35:29,591 --> 00:35:32,844 but Jay needed someone to convince him that there was money in rap. 749 00:35:33,678 --> 00:35:34,929 And he'd find the perfect person 750 00:35:35,013 --> 00:35:38,266 in a fast-talking promoter with that classic Harlem swagger. 751 00:35:39,017 --> 00:35:41,353 Tell me about hearing Jay for the first time. 752 00:35:41,436 --> 00:35:43,313 Were you impressed the first time you heard him? 753 00:35:44,022 --> 00:35:45,690 Clark had played a tape for me. 754 00:35:46,107 --> 00:35:48,902 He was like, "Yo, Jay’s this dude that could rap. 755 00:35:49,110 --> 00:35:50,945 He did nice, but he’s getting money, 756 00:35:51,071 --> 00:35:53,490 so he’d prefer to go get money than to do the music. 757 00:35:53,573 --> 00:35:56,034 So, I think a guy like you, he can relate to." 758 00:35:56,117 --> 00:35:59,329 And I went and met him, he had Nike Airs on, like I have now. 759 00:36:00,413 --> 00:36:03,583 And dudes from Brooklyn didn’t usually wear Nike Air, they was called Uptown. 760 00:36:03,667 --> 00:36:06,670 So, I was like kind of impressed that a Brooklyn cat had on Uptowns. 761 00:36:06,753 --> 00:36:09,255 I was actually blown away by that. [coughing laughter] 762 00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:13,259 So, we kind of got cool as friends. 763 00:36:13,343 --> 00:36:15,095 And I started managing Jay. 764 00:36:15,345 --> 00:36:18,139 So, I met Dame, ‘cause he was like this figure in the neighborhood. 765 00:36:18,223 --> 00:36:19,307 He managed Jay. 766 00:36:19,391 --> 00:36:21,643 You know, Jay was just kind of coming on our radar. 767 00:36:21,726 --> 00:36:24,896 He started, you know, coming out, doing his freestyles. 768 00:36:24,979 --> 00:36:28,358 And it was kind of a peek into what he could become, 769 00:36:28,441 --> 00:36:30,360 like the skill set was there. 770 00:36:30,443 --> 00:36:32,362 It just-- Who is this guy? 771 00:36:32,445 --> 00:36:35,281 ♪ Knocking sense into those That oppose me ♪ 772 00:36:35,573 --> 00:36:37,367 ♪ Enticing when slicing through tracks ♪ 773 00:36:37,575 --> 00:36:41,287 ♪ You screaming Jesus Christ is back And God knows, he can rap ♪ 774 00:36:41,496 --> 00:36:43,623 ♪ Me and Jaz put rhythm on the map ♪ 775 00:36:43,707 --> 00:36:46,084 ♪ So give him his dab And, me, I just take mine ♪ 776 00:36:46,167 --> 00:36:48,002 ♪ Give me those, gimme this, gimme that Fuck that ♪ 777 00:36:48,086 --> 00:36:49,421 [Dame] You know, I knew he was good, 778 00:36:49,504 --> 00:36:51,297 but when I was making demos and shopping him, 779 00:36:51,381 --> 00:36:52,549 people weren't signing us. 780 00:36:52,632 --> 00:36:54,175 Everybody was telling me no. 781 00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:56,344 You know how fucking aggravating it is 782 00:36:56,428 --> 00:36:58,179 arguing with a motherfucker that has no taste? 783 00:36:59,097 --> 00:37:00,598 And trying to convince him 784 00:37:00,682 --> 00:37:03,059 how important things are, that they don't even realize exist? 785 00:37:03,184 --> 00:37:05,103 Bottom line is, when we came through, 786 00:37:05,562 --> 00:37:07,856 we had more money than the people we were talking to, 787 00:37:07,939 --> 00:37:10,358 so it became somewhat of a demeaning kind of thing. 788 00:37:10,442 --> 00:37:13,027 It was like these nerds wanted to tell us no. 789 00:37:13,403 --> 00:37:16,531 [sucks air] And I was like, you can't stop me from putting music up. 790 00:37:16,614 --> 00:37:19,159 We said fuck it, and so we started Roc-A-Fella. 791 00:37:22,162 --> 00:37:25,457 [Kareem "Biggs" Burke] Jay and Dame came to me and said, 792 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:29,544 "Let's put this together," you know. "We can just do this ourselves," and 793 00:37:29,753 --> 00:37:31,171 we end up forming Roc-A-Fella. 794 00:37:31,671 --> 00:37:33,381 It was like, we could get in the music business 795 00:37:33,465 --> 00:37:35,425 and we could do all of these other businesses after 796 00:37:35,508 --> 00:37:36,968 and haves subsidiary companies. 797 00:37:37,051 --> 00:37:39,888 We had this idea in our mind and we just knew that we would win. 798 00:37:40,013 --> 00:37:40,972 And that's all it was. 799 00:37:41,055 --> 00:37:44,100 Dame being that motivator, and a visionary that he was, 800 00:37:44,184 --> 00:37:45,977 and then with the talent that Jay had, 801 00:37:46,269 --> 00:37:49,022 and was getting better and better every song he made, 802 00:37:49,272 --> 00:37:50,648 um... we knew what we had, 803 00:37:50,732 --> 00:37:52,776 even though the world didn't know at that time. 804 00:37:54,486 --> 00:37:57,697 Every week, Jay was performing. We took over every show. 805 00:37:57,906 --> 00:38:00,033 Jay wasn't even supposed to perform at half the places. 806 00:38:00,116 --> 00:38:02,494 He would just go on stage, grab the mic, and perform. 807 00:38:04,037 --> 00:38:05,038 And then afterwards, 808 00:38:05,121 --> 00:38:07,123 we would throw a thousand dollars into the crowd. 809 00:38:07,582 --> 00:38:09,584 [crowd cheering] 810 00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:14,172 We'd go to another club and do that, probably three or four times a night. 811 00:38:14,255 --> 00:38:16,090 This was just what we did, everywhere we went. 812 00:38:16,758 --> 00:38:19,969 So, that’s how we kind of got our name etched in stone. 813 00:38:20,386 --> 00:38:22,222 [Fat Joe] Roc-A-Fella took the different approach 814 00:38:22,305 --> 00:38:23,473 than everybody else. 815 00:38:23,556 --> 00:38:26,226 When they first came in the game, they had money 816 00:38:26,309 --> 00:38:29,062 and this incredible rapper Jay-Z, 817 00:38:29,187 --> 00:38:31,981 but they were bragging about selling drugs, 818 00:38:32,065 --> 00:38:36,152 ripping plaques off the wall, beating up execs. 819 00:38:36,402 --> 00:38:37,570 And I'm like, what the fuck? 820 00:38:37,654 --> 00:38:38,988 I'm trying to be the nice guy. 821 00:38:39,072 --> 00:38:40,865 They're over here walling for the night. 822 00:38:41,741 --> 00:38:44,035 [Dame] What people bought into when it came to Roc-A-Fella, 823 00:38:44,118 --> 00:38:46,496 was the fact that we were bosses, that we was getting money. 824 00:38:46,746 --> 00:38:48,790 We were giving you a lifestyle to buy into. 825 00:38:48,873 --> 00:38:51,501 You wasn’t just hearing it, you were seeing it, and we held court 826 00:38:51,668 --> 00:38:52,669 that was our marketing. 827 00:38:52,752 --> 00:38:55,129 We had the money to do things other rappers couldn't. 828 00:38:55,463 --> 00:38:57,632 I had this feature on my show called Battle of the Beats. 829 00:38:57,715 --> 00:38:59,342 For an upcoming artist, it was a big deal, 830 00:38:59,425 --> 00:39:02,554 because if you won a few nights in a row, you were gonna get played 831 00:39:02,637 --> 00:39:04,013 every night until you lost. 832 00:39:04,097 --> 00:39:06,558 I got this record, and it won five nights in a row. 833 00:39:06,724 --> 00:39:08,351 Later, Damon Dash told me that 834 00:39:08,434 --> 00:39:11,104 they paid people to call all night [laughing] 835 00:39:11,187 --> 00:39:13,022 and flooded the lines for the song. 836 00:39:13,106 --> 00:39:14,816 [Ski Beatz] First time I worked with Roc-A-Fella 837 00:39:14,899 --> 00:39:16,401 was the song "In My Lifetime." 838 00:39:16,484 --> 00:39:18,903 They paid me in cash in a book bag. 839 00:39:19,279 --> 00:39:21,990 I just get on the train with, like, twenty grand in the backpack, 840 00:39:22,115 --> 00:39:23,074 it was crazy. 841 00:39:24,742 --> 00:39:26,327 They did everything big, you know, 842 00:39:26,411 --> 00:39:28,413 they pulled up in the craziest cars. 843 00:39:28,496 --> 00:39:31,207 It was a movement, from the women around to the jewelry. 844 00:39:31,583 --> 00:39:33,710 When you saw them, you thought Roc-A-Fella. 845 00:39:34,002 --> 00:39:36,337 Right now, I got the Roc-A-Fellas with me. 846 00:39:36,504 --> 00:39:39,132 No doubt, Jay-Z, yo, you blowing it up, man. 847 00:39:39,215 --> 00:39:41,426 I'm trying to kill it, man. The album is bananas. 848 00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:43,303 When is the album dropping or... 849 00:39:43,469 --> 00:39:45,054 In April. In April. Not yet. 850 00:39:45,138 --> 00:39:46,389 What's what's the name of it? 851 00:39:46,556 --> 00:39:47,515 Reasonable Doubt. 852 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,267 [Jay Z] The trial begins, you know. 853 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:51,352 Reasonable Doubt, when we was making it, 854 00:39:51,477 --> 00:39:53,897 I remember Jay-Z pulling me to the side 855 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,482 and saying, "Yo, I'm about to make you famous." 856 00:39:56,566 --> 00:39:59,569 I was like, "Whatever." Then, when that record came out, 857 00:40:01,029 --> 00:40:04,157 and I saw how New York received it, it was over. 858 00:40:04,824 --> 00:40:07,118 ♪ While others spit that Wonderama shit ♪ 859 00:40:07,201 --> 00:40:09,495 ♪ Me and my conglomerates Shall remain anonymous ♪ 860 00:40:09,913 --> 00:40:11,247 ♪ Caught up in the finest shit ♪ 861 00:40:11,372 --> 00:40:13,750 ♪ Live out my dreams Until my heart gave out ♪ 862 00:40:13,833 --> 00:40:16,586 ♪ Involved with cream, you know exactly What this shit's about ♪ 863 00:40:16,669 --> 00:40:18,880 ♪ Fuck y'all mean? Handlin' since a teen ♪ 864 00:40:18,963 --> 00:40:21,674 ♪ I dish out like the point guard Off your favorite team ♪ 865 00:40:21,758 --> 00:40:23,468 ♪ Without doubt, my life ain't rosy ♪ 866 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,887 [Ski] Jay's voice wasn't the regular voice, you know? 867 00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:28,806 He wasn't doing what all the other hip-hop guys was doing at the time. 868 00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:31,935 Crazy word play, crazy metaphors, you know? 869 00:40:32,435 --> 00:40:34,354 Double entendres, all kind of crazy stuff. 870 00:40:35,438 --> 00:40:37,523 ♪ Shit I'm involved with Got me pins and needles ♪ 871 00:40:37,607 --> 00:40:39,192 ♪ And my cerebral bleeds The wickedest evil ♪ 872 00:40:39,275 --> 00:40:40,860 ♪ Thoughts that this sport Will feed you ♪ 873 00:40:40,944 --> 00:40:42,278 ♪ Deep facts in the game ♪ 874 00:40:42,362 --> 00:40:44,364 ♪ So deep, fiends could catch a freeze ♪ 875 00:40:44,447 --> 00:40:46,991 [Dame] Reasonable Doubt, we were gonna try to make it like a movie. 876 00:40:47,075 --> 00:40:49,077 It was supposed to be a story about hustling. 877 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,078 That shit was, like, 878 00:40:50,286 --> 00:40:53,206 as if there was a newscaster just telling you exactly what was going on 879 00:40:53,289 --> 00:40:55,833 in our life, and what we were feeling. It was a real perspective. 880 00:40:55,917 --> 00:40:58,753 If you were in the game, you understood that we were brothers too. 881 00:40:59,379 --> 00:41:02,006 ♪ Rappers going broke Trying to keep up with me ♪ 882 00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:04,092 [Kareem] Jay really made that album for us, 883 00:41:04,425 --> 00:41:06,803 for Roc-A-Fella, to impress us, 884 00:41:06,928 --> 00:41:08,680 because we were all doing the same things. 885 00:41:09,097 --> 00:41:10,932 As long as we were in there going crazy, 886 00:41:11,015 --> 00:41:15,436 nodding our head, telling him how dope the verses were, he was happy. 887 00:41:15,561 --> 00:41:17,355 They were three business guys. 888 00:41:17,438 --> 00:41:20,316 They came from hustling, and then here was this opportunity 889 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,318 to make some money in a legal way. 890 00:41:22,402 --> 00:41:24,862 Like, how do I take this to the next level, what do I do? 891 00:41:24,946 --> 00:41:27,532 They’re looking at Bad Boy and seeing all of that, 892 00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:30,368 like, "Okay, how can -- They making how much money over there?" 893 00:41:30,868 --> 00:41:33,079 [Kareem] Roc-A-Fella was always about independence. 894 00:41:33,162 --> 00:41:34,998 We did everything by ourselves. 895 00:41:35,081 --> 00:41:37,083 But, now, we have a gold album, 896 00:41:37,417 --> 00:41:39,961 and we had all this momentum, and we just used that 897 00:41:40,044 --> 00:41:41,295 to close the next deal. 898 00:41:41,587 --> 00:41:45,383 And that’s how, eventually, we end up doing a deal with Def Jam. 899 00:41:47,135 --> 00:41:49,554 [Kev] I was known for getting records played on the radio. 900 00:41:49,637 --> 00:41:52,306 One day, I was in Baltimore and it’s Thanksgiving night. 901 00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:56,185 Irv called me and said, "Kev, Dame, Biggs, and Jay gonna come see you." 902 00:41:56,477 --> 00:41:58,354 I said, "Oh, Roc-A-Fella." He said, "Yeah." 903 00:41:58,438 --> 00:42:02,108 And I remember seeing a bunch of guys in black leather jackets 904 00:42:02,525 --> 00:42:04,819 with the Roc-A-Fella logo. [laughing] 905 00:42:04,944 --> 00:42:07,238 Them boys would always roll like that, you know? 906 00:42:07,405 --> 00:42:09,866 So, my mom cooks food and everything. 907 00:42:09,949 --> 00:42:11,659 I went and got plates for everybody. 908 00:42:11,743 --> 00:42:14,162 So, we ate-- We ate Thanksgiving dinner in the club. 909 00:42:14,245 --> 00:42:18,166 You know what I mean? So, I said, "Jay, why don’t you rock with us." 910 00:42:18,249 --> 00:42:19,917 And the rest is history. 911 00:42:22,795 --> 00:42:25,757 Anybody who signed with Def Jam at that time, your life changed, 912 00:42:25,923 --> 00:42:27,884 and you made records for the radio 913 00:42:27,967 --> 00:42:29,844 and your approach to making music changed. 914 00:42:29,927 --> 00:42:32,472 More radio play was going to get you more money. 915 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,225 And Jay is the boss, so he's going to be like, "Okay, got it." 916 00:42:36,851 --> 00:42:39,479 [interviewer] With Def Jam, what was the vision for that second album, 917 00:42:39,562 --> 00:42:40,813 In My Lifetime, Volume 1? 918 00:42:40,897 --> 00:42:41,731 Money. 919 00:42:42,106 --> 00:42:43,691 Just trying to do what Puff was doing. 920 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,902 [both laughing] 921 00:42:46,235 --> 00:42:49,155 You know what I'm saying? Like, we did that Sunshine video, 922 00:42:49,822 --> 00:42:52,408 with them shiny fucking suits, dancing around. 923 00:42:52,533 --> 00:42:53,618 Everybody laughing at us. 924 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:56,913 I hated it. It wasn't us. 925 00:42:57,205 --> 00:42:58,206 It broke my heart. 926 00:42:58,456 --> 00:43:00,458 [loud laughing] 927 00:43:01,501 --> 00:43:03,377 ♪ Who be in a Japanese restaurant ♪ 928 00:43:03,461 --> 00:43:05,296 ♪ Eating sushi, drinking saki It's me ♪ 929 00:43:05,379 --> 00:43:07,215 ♪ And my mommy with the doobie ♪ 930 00:43:07,298 --> 00:43:08,341 ♪ Smelling like miyaki ♪ 931 00:43:08,424 --> 00:43:11,094 ♪ Half Philippine thing For now let's call her Suki ♪ 932 00:43:11,177 --> 00:43:13,054 ♪ Got me booty banging properly ♪ 933 00:43:13,137 --> 00:43:15,431 ♪ In Versace pants Cocky boot legged stance ♪ 934 00:43:15,515 --> 00:43:17,600 [DJ Clark] Here's the crazy part about "Sunshine." 935 00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:20,103 If you listen to it, that shit is fire. 936 00:43:20,228 --> 00:43:21,187 It's not whack. 937 00:43:21,312 --> 00:43:25,066 It's just that for the person that he was at that precise moment, 938 00:43:25,149 --> 00:43:28,736 it just wasn't the right thing, because it sounded like something 939 00:43:28,986 --> 00:43:30,488 somebody else would have done. 940 00:43:30,655 --> 00:43:31,531 It wasn't us. 941 00:43:31,614 --> 00:43:33,908 I always looked at Puff and them like Motown, 942 00:43:33,991 --> 00:43:36,327 like they were more R&B, where we were hip-hop. 943 00:43:36,452 --> 00:43:38,204 You know, no disrespect or anything like that. 944 00:43:38,287 --> 00:43:39,497 It just two different lanes. 945 00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:42,458 So, that record, that wasn’t what Roc-A-Fella was about. 946 00:43:43,251 --> 00:43:45,586 But, it evolved us, and as we evolved, 947 00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:48,172 I wanted to see more and I wanted it to mean more 948 00:43:48,256 --> 00:43:49,924 and I wanted Roc-A-Fella to be more. 949 00:43:50,258 --> 00:43:52,426 ♪ Just continue to be my sunshine ♪ 950 00:43:53,928 --> 00:43:56,097 [Kevin] Jay wasn't afraid to experiment, 951 00:43:56,681 --> 00:44:00,643 but afterwards, he looked at it and said, "I'm not doing that." 952 00:44:01,227 --> 00:44:04,689 His heart was always coming from the point of view of being street. 953 00:44:04,772 --> 00:44:07,108 Jay always gonna be in Tims and a hoodie. 954 00:44:07,191 --> 00:44:08,693 That’s just—That’s who he is. 955 00:44:08,776 --> 00:44:11,946 You know, and that shift happened with Hard Knock Life. 956 00:44:12,446 --> 00:44:14,782 Jay-Z took it back to the streets. 957 00:44:15,491 --> 00:44:17,410 ♪ From standing on the corners bopping ♪ 958 00:44:17,535 --> 00:44:20,454 ♪ To drivin' some of the hottest cars New York has ever seen ♪ 959 00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:23,583 ♪ From droppin' some of the hottest verses Rap has ever heard ♪ 960 00:44:23,708 --> 00:44:26,502 ♪ From the dope spot, with the smoke Glock Fleeing the murder scene ♪ 961 00:44:26,919 --> 00:44:29,755 ♪ You know me well From nightmares of a lonely cell ♪ 962 00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:30,673 ♪ My only hell ♪ 963 00:44:30,756 --> 00:44:32,592 ♪ But since when y'all niggas Know me to fail ♪ 964 00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:35,970 ♪ It's the hard knock life for us ♪ 965 00:44:36,179 --> 00:44:38,848 [Ski] When that song came out, that put him in a whole different light. 966 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,934 You know it’s commercial, you know it’s mainstream. 967 00:44:42,351 --> 00:44:44,312 But at the same time, there's something about it. 968 00:44:44,395 --> 00:44:45,938 The beat is so hip-hop. 969 00:44:46,022 --> 00:44:48,024 ♪ And sip the Cris' and get pissy-pissy ♪ 970 00:44:48,232 --> 00:44:52,069 ♪ Flow infinitely like the memory Of my nigga Biggie, baby! ♪ 971 00:44:52,153 --> 00:44:54,197 ♪ You know it's hell when I come through ♪ 972 00:44:54,447 --> 00:44:57,491 What Jay did, remaining exactly who he is, 973 00:44:57,575 --> 00:44:59,619 that street theme rapper, 974 00:44:59,702 --> 00:45:01,329 he knocked it out the park. 975 00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:04,790 "Hard Knock Life" sold six million albums. 976 00:45:05,583 --> 00:45:07,501 As Jay started to cross over, 977 00:45:07,585 --> 00:45:09,462 the appeal started to cross over as well. 978 00:45:09,545 --> 00:45:11,714 You know, he became a worldwide icon. 979 00:45:12,632 --> 00:45:15,384 So now, when Jay raps about cars, 980 00:45:15,509 --> 00:45:17,762 clothing lines, liquor businesses, 981 00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:20,514 people gravitated toward it, and then we started to see 982 00:45:20,598 --> 00:45:23,142 brands go from zero to 100. 983 00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:26,812 What I saw was people making money off of, and leveraging our celebrity 984 00:45:26,896 --> 00:45:28,648 and bringing awareness to brands and selling. 985 00:45:28,731 --> 00:45:30,650 I was like, we might as well just make the brands 986 00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:33,778 and bring awareness to them ourselves, and that's what we did. 987 00:45:35,363 --> 00:45:36,656 So we started Rocawear. 988 00:45:37,323 --> 00:45:38,991 Rocawear launched. 989 00:45:39,075 --> 00:45:41,869 Eighteen months later, it was already doing 80 million dollars. 990 00:45:41,953 --> 00:45:45,206 We knew we were building something that was gonna be bigger than ourselves. 991 00:45:45,623 --> 00:45:48,292 And we had to learn how to make money from the street. 992 00:45:49,252 --> 00:45:51,045 When you hustling, and you on the street, 993 00:45:51,128 --> 00:45:54,340 general principle is having a product and selling a product 994 00:45:54,423 --> 00:45:56,300 and making a margin, and reinvesting it, 995 00:45:56,384 --> 00:45:58,803 and putting it back in the street. It's called flipping. 996 00:45:59,387 --> 00:46:01,764 With Roc-A-Fella, like, that’s what we was doing. 997 00:46:04,433 --> 00:46:07,603 You know, we had control over the music, we had control over the fashion. 998 00:46:08,437 --> 00:46:10,481 To me, we could do everything better than everybody, 999 00:46:10,564 --> 00:46:12,692 because we had these real authentic experiences 1000 00:46:12,775 --> 00:46:14,277 that people now say are legendary. 1001 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,239 And also, that the originating of cool comes from the street. 1002 00:46:18,447 --> 00:46:19,407 And we're in the street. 1003 00:46:20,241 --> 00:46:23,160 But... it almost killed us, you know what I'm saying? 1004 00:46:23,494 --> 00:46:25,037 [both laughing] 1005 00:46:25,871 --> 00:46:28,582 ♪ It's the hard knock life for us ♪ 1006 00:46:29,917 --> 00:46:31,919 Roc-A-Fella Records forever, y’all. 1007 00:46:32,128 --> 00:46:33,087 Yeah! 1008 00:46:33,796 --> 00:46:34,630 Ah ha! 1009 00:46:34,714 --> 00:46:36,716 [crowd erupting] 1010 00:46:38,092 --> 00:46:39,927 ♪ It's a hard knock life ♪ 1011 00:46:41,304 --> 00:46:44,974 [narrator] Jay’s success with Roc-A-Fella, and Puff’s success with Bad Boy 1012 00:46:45,057 --> 00:46:48,394 signaled the beginning of a new era and mentality in hip-hop. 1013 00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:51,939 Not only did they show hip-hop the true value of their music, 1014 00:46:52,023 --> 00:46:54,859 but they also understand that hip-hoppers were cultural leaders 1015 00:46:54,942 --> 00:46:57,278 and trendsetters on a global scale. 1016 00:46:58,279 --> 00:47:01,073 Together, Bad Boy and Roc-A-Fella made hip-hop 1017 00:47:01,157 --> 00:47:02,908 about more than selling records. 1018 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,910 They were selling hip-hop culture. 1019 00:47:05,661 --> 00:47:07,663 -Wow! -[crowd cheering] 91058

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