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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:02,395 --> 00:01:04,647 I hope the hotel has a wire service. 2 00:01:05,106 --> 00:01:06,649 -Honey. -What? 3 00:01:06,858 --> 00:01:08,735 Honey, of the two of us, 4 00:01:08,818 --> 00:01:11,613 I'm supposed to be the workaholic. 5 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:15,075 Well, this is my last fundraiser as Chair. I want it to be perfect. 6 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:17,911 Isn't Celia taking over till we get home? 7 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:20,830 Celia's a great foot soldier, but I'm-- 8 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:22,040 But you're the General. 9 00:01:22,123 --> 00:01:24,167 Yes. 10 00:01:27,045 --> 00:01:28,588 But, um... 11 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:31,090 Do you have the guts to go topless? 12 00:01:52,779 --> 00:01:54,197 I have to say 13 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:57,117 that you are the most beautiful General on the beach. 14 00:01:57,492 --> 00:02:00,620 Quite a compliment from somebody who sees 40 breasts a day. 15 00:02:01,329 --> 00:02:02,705 Aw. 16 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:05,250 Ah! I can't believe I'm doing this. 17 00:02:07,877 --> 00:02:09,254 Well, Sybil. 18 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:11,506 -Ah! 19 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:14,134 If anyone ever sees that picture... 20 00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:17,095 No way. No way. Not on your life. 21 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,630 That desk job's taking your edge. 22 00:02:52,714 --> 00:02:55,633 Oh, yeah? Then how come I'm the one with your hat, huh? 23 00:02:55,842 --> 00:02:57,135 Come on, baby. 24 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:04,601 - Hey, hey. 25 00:03:05,101 --> 00:03:07,270 Do I have to send you guys to your room without supper? 26 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:09,105 You're going to the gym now? 27 00:03:09,188 --> 00:03:11,316 Yeah, I want to get in a few practice shots before the game. 28 00:03:11,524 --> 00:03:12,483 You guys coming? 29 00:03:12,567 --> 00:03:14,319 Hey, you know it, wouldn't miss it. 30 00:03:14,444 --> 00:03:15,737 All right, see you. 31 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:17,196 Hey. 32 00:03:17,906 --> 00:03:22,160 That other guard might be bigger, but you're smarter, and that counts. 33 00:03:22,535 --> 00:03:23,786 Don't forget that. 34 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:25,496 I won't, Mom, thanks. 35 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:30,752 You're right on schedule for your exam. 36 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,254 I'm going to bring you right up into the machine here. 37 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:35,715 Now we're just going to do your side view. 38 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,553 Just need to raise your arm up on the machine. 39 00:03:42,096 --> 00:03:43,473 Great tan, by the way. 40 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:45,183 Oh, thank you. Uh... 41 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:48,019 I was vacationing in Sicily with my husband. 42 00:03:48,102 --> 00:03:51,481 You might know him, Dr. Goldrich in Obstetrics. 43 00:03:52,065 --> 00:03:53,566 No, afraid not. 44 00:03:54,692 --> 00:03:55,985 Hold your breath. 45 00:04:01,824 --> 00:04:03,201 And breathe. 46 00:04:04,452 --> 00:04:06,871 Okay, that's it. We're all finished. That was the last one. 47 00:04:06,955 --> 00:04:07,997 Oh, thank you. 48 00:04:10,708 --> 00:04:13,086 - You see those areas? - Yes. 49 00:04:13,169 --> 00:04:15,755 Those areas show microcalcifications. 50 00:04:15,838 --> 00:04:17,590 I'd like to schedule a biopsy. 51 00:04:20,343 --> 00:04:21,636 What if it's cancer? 52 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:24,347 Why don't we wait for the results? 53 00:04:25,473 --> 00:04:27,725 I want to know everything now. Worst case. 54 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:31,354 Okay, worst case, 55 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:34,357 I'd recommend a bilateral mastectomy. 56 00:04:34,899 --> 00:04:37,694 It's the best way to make sure the cancer's removed from your body. 57 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:41,614 But please, don't expect the worst. 58 00:04:47,203 --> 00:04:50,373 Schedule the biopsy now. I want to know what I'm up against here. 59 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:57,505 "Breast implants have become the trendiest cosmetic fix 60 00:04:57,588 --> 00:05:01,217 and as sought-after as Chanel knockoffs and designer jeans." 61 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,594 What's this doing on my desk? 62 00:05:04,679 --> 00:05:06,014 Um... 63 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,269 Something that I've wanted to talk to you about for a long time. 64 00:05:11,811 --> 00:05:13,396 -Yeah? -Yeah. 65 00:05:16,524 --> 00:05:18,026 I'd think I'd like to do it. 66 00:05:18,609 --> 00:05:19,986 But why? 67 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:23,114 Sweetheart, I... I love you just the way you are. 68 00:05:23,197 --> 00:05:24,490 I know, I know. It's just... 69 00:05:26,242 --> 00:05:28,036 I feel like I look... 70 00:05:30,371 --> 00:05:31,873 Imbalanced. 71 00:05:32,623 --> 00:05:34,417 -Imbalanced? -Yeah. 72 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:36,377 You know... 73 00:05:36,627 --> 00:05:39,088 Flat on the top and round on the bottom. 74 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:42,258 You don't look anything like that. 75 00:05:42,341 --> 00:05:43,968 You are a very beautiful woman. 76 00:05:45,261 --> 00:05:49,932 I tried on every bathing suit in the store last season, 77 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:51,851 and nothing could hide it. 78 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:57,315 I really think that you're being, uh, over... 79 00:05:57,398 --> 00:06:00,526 Overly critical here, sweetheart. You know? 80 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:03,696 I just wish that you liked yourself more. 81 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:05,406 I like who I am. 82 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:07,325 Just not what I look like. 83 00:06:08,076 --> 00:06:10,286 When my sister and I were kids, 84 00:06:10,369 --> 00:06:13,498 I was the only one who used to play basketball with my dad. 85 00:06:13,956 --> 00:06:16,709 Guess I kind of became his boy by default. 86 00:06:17,877 --> 00:06:20,213 Boy, it's got to be expensive. 87 00:06:20,296 --> 00:06:22,840 You know, our insurance doesn't cover, um... 88 00:06:22,924 --> 00:06:26,636 Unnecessary procedures and operations and stuff like that. 89 00:06:27,011 --> 00:06:29,180 I know, I thought about that. 90 00:06:31,349 --> 00:06:33,309 -David? -Hmm? 91 00:06:33,518 --> 00:06:35,978 -I wouldn't ask if it wasn't something... -Yeah. 92 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:37,480 I want it. 93 00:06:37,688 --> 00:06:40,441 And it's supposed to be a simple operation. 94 00:06:41,859 --> 00:06:45,905 I just really wish that you didn't feel like you needed it. 95 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:49,575 But, you know, it's your body and... 96 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:52,036 And if it'll make you happy, then... 97 00:06:52,453 --> 00:06:55,206 I guess I'll figure something out. 98 00:06:56,374 --> 00:06:57,542 There we go. 99 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:00,211 Dr. Hirschville, call the page operator. 100 00:07:00,294 --> 00:07:02,713 Dr. Hirschville, call the page operator. 101 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:05,591 Amy, will you come on? We're already late. 102 00:07:05,675 --> 00:07:06,968 Dad's probably called up the Marines. 103 00:07:07,051 --> 00:07:08,427 Let go of me. 104 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,305 I skipped lunch and I'm starving, okay? 105 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:12,348 Please. 106 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:14,851 You go, I'll be there in a second. 107 00:07:16,352 --> 00:07:17,979 They probably don't want food in there. 108 00:07:18,312 --> 00:07:20,064 You're so full of it. 109 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:21,399 I hate hospitals. 110 00:07:21,482 --> 00:07:24,944 You know, I... I just hate that Mom has to have, you know... 111 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:27,530 How do you think Mom feels, Amy? 112 00:07:28,614 --> 00:07:32,702 You'll start to feel drowsy in a couple of minutes. Don't fight it. 113 00:07:33,161 --> 00:07:35,037 When you wake up, it'll be all over. 114 00:07:45,923 --> 00:07:49,719 I'm trying to imagine waking up and not having breasts. 115 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,973 Sybil... They wouldn't do this procedure 116 00:07:54,056 --> 00:07:55,892 unless it was absolutely necessary. 117 00:07:55,975 --> 00:07:57,894 Bentley is a great surgeon. 118 00:07:57,977 --> 00:07:59,562 I know. I know. 119 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:01,898 Jimmy, um... 120 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:05,234 After this is over, I... 121 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:07,195 I've been doing some reading and I would... 122 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:09,071 I would like to look into implants. 123 00:08:09,155 --> 00:08:10,406 Honey... 124 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:14,452 I will not be able to look at myself without breasts. 125 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:16,704 Will you? 126 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:18,122 Sybil... 127 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:21,042 I love you. 128 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:23,628 I will be very different. 129 00:08:24,545 --> 00:08:26,172 Your body, not you. 130 00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:29,217 And I don't care about anything 131 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:31,344 except you getting well. 132 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:37,558 Oh, there they are. 133 00:08:39,477 --> 00:08:41,145 Come here. Come here. 134 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:43,022 I was about to call out the Marines. 135 00:08:43,105 --> 00:08:44,273 See? 136 00:08:44,357 --> 00:08:46,567 Come here. Come here. Come here. 137 00:08:49,654 --> 00:08:50,821 Uh-oh. 138 00:08:52,573 --> 00:08:54,700 This thing is starting to work. 139 00:08:55,618 --> 00:08:58,704 It's okay, honey. It's okay. We're all here. 140 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:04,669 Are you sure there's enough skin to work with? I... 141 00:09:05,503 --> 00:09:07,004 I talked to lots of surgeons. 142 00:09:07,088 --> 00:09:09,423 One of them even said to me during the examination, 143 00:09:09,507 --> 00:09:10,883 "Boy, they stripped you bare." 144 00:09:13,010 --> 00:09:14,762 I can make you whole again. 145 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:16,389 Oh. 146 00:09:16,472 --> 00:09:18,683 But first we've got to make sure you're comfortable with the procedure. 147 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,144 How long are the implants supposed to last? 148 00:09:22,853 --> 00:09:25,314 According to the manufacturer, a lifetime. 149 00:09:26,816 --> 00:09:28,693 So they must be safe? 150 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:31,654 I've performed over 100 successful operations. 151 00:09:32,655 --> 00:09:34,657 The implants are filled with silicone. 152 00:09:35,616 --> 00:09:38,578 It's a man-made compound of oxygen and silicon. 153 00:09:40,621 --> 00:09:43,040 Now, the best thing about silicone is it's inert. 154 00:09:43,124 --> 00:09:45,418 It doesn't react to the body. 155 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:50,756 I wish I knew someone who'd done this. I... 156 00:09:51,757 --> 00:09:54,260 My nurse can give you the number of one of my other patients. 157 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:55,720 Call her. 158 00:09:57,179 --> 00:09:58,431 I will. 159 00:10:02,101 --> 00:10:03,769 I won't lie to you, Sybil. 160 00:10:04,061 --> 00:10:07,106 At first, it was painful, but they have shots for that, 161 00:10:07,189 --> 00:10:08,858 and gradually, it fades. 162 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:13,029 Some people thought I was crazy for having unnecessary surgery, but... 163 00:10:13,529 --> 00:10:15,239 But after the cancer, 164 00:10:16,198 --> 00:10:17,992 I felt totally out of control. 165 00:10:18,868 --> 00:10:20,620 Choosing to have implants 166 00:10:20,745 --> 00:10:23,039 gave me control over my body again. 167 00:10:25,666 --> 00:10:27,543 Do you think that I could see them? 168 00:10:29,086 --> 00:10:30,254 Sure you can. 169 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:32,131 Now? 170 00:10:40,264 --> 00:10:43,851 Oh, Rosemary, they're beautiful. 171 00:10:44,894 --> 00:10:46,520 Thanks. 172 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:49,106 Uh, may I feel them? 173 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:50,816 Be my guest. 174 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:54,695 They are so soft. 175 00:10:54,779 --> 00:10:55,780 Mmm-hmm. 176 00:11:28,437 --> 00:11:29,438 Honey? 177 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:33,067 Wow. 178 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:36,112 You look great, sweetheart. 179 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:39,490 I mean, not that you didn't before. You looked fine before. 180 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:41,242 But, my goodness. 181 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:42,910 I know. 182 00:11:43,911 --> 00:11:47,873 Believe me, I'm happier about this than I ever imagined. 183 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,544 Now... 184 00:11:52,002 --> 00:11:56,173 The surgeon gave me strict instructions to massage them, 185 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:59,593 to keep scar tissue from forming. 186 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:00,928 Did he? 187 00:12:02,596 --> 00:12:05,015 Well, I guess you're going to need some help with that, huh? 188 00:12:06,142 --> 00:12:07,810 Oh, sweetheart. 189 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:15,109 You know, I'd like to be there when the bandages come off. 190 00:12:15,192 --> 00:12:17,570 How about I meet you at Sutton's office tomorrow morning? 191 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,617 How about a sneak peek, Doc? 192 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:28,205 You're like Xena on her birthday. 193 00:12:45,973 --> 00:12:47,099 Nervous? 194 00:12:47,558 --> 00:12:49,226 -Nah. - Right. 195 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:06,702 Am I hurting you? 196 00:13:06,994 --> 00:13:08,037 No. 197 00:13:08,996 --> 00:13:11,916 But if you happen to have a spare bullet, I could bite it. 198 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:13,834 Sorry, fresh out. 199 00:13:17,796 --> 00:13:19,840 See anything you like, sailor? 200 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:22,968 Yeah. You. 201 00:13:42,363 --> 00:13:43,864 I'll get it. 202 00:13:47,535 --> 00:13:49,078 Mom! 203 00:13:55,751 --> 00:13:56,752 Mom? 204 00:13:57,628 --> 00:13:59,880 Mommy, what's wrong? Are you okay? 205 00:14:00,839 --> 00:14:01,924 -Mommy. 206 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:06,637 And they feel as hard as baseballs. This can't be normal. 207 00:14:07,304 --> 00:14:09,265 Actually, it does happen. 208 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:11,850 I'll have to do a capsulotomy. 209 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:14,311 I don't like the sound of that. 210 00:14:15,104 --> 00:14:17,773 It's a way of breaking through the scar tissue. 211 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:21,110 Hang on to the table, this is going to hurt. 212 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:39,295 If he couldn't break the scar tissue, and they're still hard... 213 00:14:40,796 --> 00:14:42,131 Now what? 214 00:14:43,966 --> 00:14:45,593 Surgery again. 215 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:50,264 And now he says there's a new kind of implant called a Meme. 216 00:14:51,932 --> 00:14:54,977 It's a foam covering that's supposed to keep them from getting hard. 217 00:14:55,853 --> 00:14:56,896 Mmm-hmm. 218 00:14:58,397 --> 00:14:59,607 And what're you thinking? 219 00:15:00,524 --> 00:15:03,319 I'm thinking that it's maybe time 220 00:15:03,402 --> 00:15:04,778 to talk to another surgeon. 221 00:15:06,947 --> 00:15:09,199 Sutton is supposed to be the best. 222 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:12,620 And nothing was supposed to go wrong. 223 00:15:15,205 --> 00:15:17,583 I just don't think 224 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:20,002 another surgeon is the answer. 225 00:15:21,629 --> 00:15:26,300 Well, if you have any better ideas, I would really like to hear them. 226 00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:31,931 I just want this to be the last operation. 227 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:48,197 Come on, Mom, all net. 228 00:15:57,373 --> 00:15:59,583 Hey, that's all right, Ma. 229 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:01,627 Even Magic has a bad game now and then. 230 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:03,003 Yeah... 231 00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:05,965 I kind of have a bad season. 232 00:16:06,423 --> 00:16:08,634 I can't seem to shake this cold. 233 00:16:11,887 --> 00:16:12,972 Ah, there she is. 234 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:18,519 I have pneumonia? 235 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:21,188 It's not a personality flaw, Kathleen. 236 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:24,358 I never get sick. How could this happen? 237 00:16:24,441 --> 00:16:26,110 You're a busy wife and mother. 238 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,070 Don't be so hard on yourself, it'll pass. 239 00:16:31,031 --> 00:16:34,952 Dr. Frederick to OR 2. Dr. Frederick to OR 2. 240 00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:39,498 Is she okay? 241 00:16:39,581 --> 00:16:41,375 That took a lot longer than we thought. 242 00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:44,044 You of all people should know these things take longer than expected. 243 00:16:44,628 --> 00:16:46,130 -She did just fine. -Oh, good. 244 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:47,756 These new implants shouldn't give her any problems. 245 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,174 Thank you. 246 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:04,231 We need to check the infection. 247 00:17:25,502 --> 00:17:27,171 Let's see what Sutton has to say. 248 00:17:27,254 --> 00:17:30,090 Why do we need Sutton to confirm the obvious? 249 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:32,718 The fevers, the rashes... 250 00:17:33,427 --> 00:17:36,930 My body is reacting to the foam implants. 251 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:39,099 They're going to have to be replaced. Why not just say it? 252 00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:42,019 -Because I'm not a plastic surgeon. 253 00:17:42,102 --> 00:17:44,104 But if the implants have to be removed... 254 00:17:44,188 --> 00:17:45,522 Stop it. 255 00:17:45,814 --> 00:17:47,399 Perhaps we shouldn't put new ones in. 256 00:17:47,566 --> 00:17:49,401 Don't even mention it. 257 00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:54,406 Sybil, your body, anybody's body, is bound to be exhausted 258 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:57,743 after cancer surgery and two implant operations. 259 00:17:57,826 --> 00:17:59,953 You don't have to keep doing this to yourself. 260 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,664 Jimmy, I don't want to spend the rest of my life 261 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:06,960 looking and feeling like a freak. 262 00:18:07,461 --> 00:18:10,339 You're not going to look like a freak, not to me. 263 00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:13,425 That is not true, we both know that. 264 00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:15,010 Now, this is what I know. 265 00:18:16,386 --> 00:18:19,056 I love you and I don't want to lose you. 266 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:21,975 I'm certainly more concerned about your health 267 00:18:22,059 --> 00:18:24,061 than how you look in a damn swimsuit. 268 00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:28,482 I'll get in touch with Sutton, 269 00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:31,985 -decide what's best for you. 270 00:18:36,156 --> 00:18:37,366 Honey? 271 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:40,744 What is it? Are you okay? 272 00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:42,830 Can't do it. 273 00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:47,459 I'm completely drained. 274 00:18:52,589 --> 00:18:55,425 This can't be pneumonia. It's been weeks. 275 00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:58,178 I got to call those doctors today. 276 00:18:58,262 --> 00:19:00,097 I want to find out what's up with those tests. 277 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:01,473 I did that. 278 00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:06,687 She can't find anything wrong. Thinks it's stress. 279 00:19:07,646 --> 00:19:11,525 Which is doctor talk for not taking you seriously. 280 00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:15,320 Let's get inside. 281 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,781 Come on. 282 00:19:18,782 --> 00:19:21,743 David, what's happening to me? 283 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:23,787 -Come on, sweetheart. 284 00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:26,415 Flap reconstruction? Mom, you just had these Memes taken out 285 00:19:26,498 --> 00:19:28,333 and now you're talking about another operation? 286 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,210 Honey, we won't do it right away. 287 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:31,628 It's something we're looking into. 288 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,130 Want to hear how it's done? 289 00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:34,256 No way. 290 00:19:34,882 --> 00:19:36,425 I've decided to be a doctor. 291 00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:38,051 Ah, this week. 292 00:19:38,135 --> 00:19:39,386 Girls. 293 00:19:39,469 --> 00:19:40,888 They take, um, 294 00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:43,724 tissue and muscle from the stomach and funnel it under the skin. 295 00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:45,350 I'm out of here. 296 00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:51,231 They funnel it under the skin to the chest, 297 00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:52,941 where it's formed into breast mounds. 298 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,904 So that if it's made from my body, I won't reject them. 299 00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:59,281 It's a... A new procedure. 300 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:02,326 But from what I understand, the patients have been pleased. 301 00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:03,911 I think you should check it out, Mom. 302 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,788 -It sounds really good. -Thank you, sweetie. 303 00:20:07,456 --> 00:20:10,918 But I still want to know why I had so much trouble with those implants. 304 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:22,471 Jimmy. 305 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:23,889 Shh! 306 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:27,226 Sorry. 307 00:20:29,186 --> 00:20:31,063 Yeah? 308 00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:32,981 This is a Pittsburgh cardiologist 309 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:36,610 writing about an implant patient who had fevers and sweats just like me. 310 00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,070 Yeah. 311 00:20:39,196 --> 00:20:41,073 She had swollen joints. 312 00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:43,659 She had enlarged kidneys. 313 00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:46,954 But she recovered after the implants were removed. 314 00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:50,207 Scroll down. 315 00:20:54,503 --> 00:20:56,380 Oh, it just refers to the manufacturer's warning. 316 00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:59,216 Excuse me, the what? 317 00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:02,094 It would be included in the shipment box. 318 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:03,762 Why didn't I see it? 319 00:21:03,845 --> 00:21:06,265 -Because nobody but you would read it. -Stop. 320 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:07,766 Seriously, I know where to get one. 321 00:21:07,849 --> 00:21:09,476 Ah, good. What did you find? 322 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,311 Here, take a look at this. 323 00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,355 -What is it? -Right there. 324 00:21:18,068 --> 00:21:22,114 "50% of this doctor's implants after mastectomy had to be replaced." 325 00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:24,074 50%? 326 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:29,913 This is outrageous. Jimmy, why wasn't I warned? I am appalled! 327 00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:31,206 Shh! 328 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:33,542 Well, I am. 329 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:36,712 Hi, Mom, what are you reading? 330 00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:39,673 The manufacturer's warning that comes with the implants. 331 00:21:39,923 --> 00:21:41,425 If women knew-- 332 00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:43,927 They don't. That's the problem. 333 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:46,013 And you know what else? If you think I had trouble, 334 00:21:46,096 --> 00:21:47,973 listen to what happened to these other women. 335 00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:50,100 Autoimmune disease... 336 00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:51,977 Like scleroderma. 337 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:54,855 Lupus, rheumatoid arthritis... 338 00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:58,734 Gosh, I cannot believe that there are doctors who don't say anything. 339 00:21:58,817 --> 00:21:59,985 Me either. 340 00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:02,696 But I can say something, and I will. 341 00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:04,448 What are you going to do? 342 00:22:04,531 --> 00:22:07,784 One of the editors of Ms. magazine is a friend of mine. 343 00:22:07,868 --> 00:22:10,871 I think that she would like to hear about this. 344 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,714 -Louis McClennon? -He just left. 345 00:22:30,766 --> 00:22:32,392 Mr. McClennon? 346 00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:35,979 Somebody call me? 347 00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:37,481 Oh. Yes. 348 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:41,151 Thank you. 349 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:44,404 Are you the woman who's writing about the Orphan Drug Bill? 350 00:22:44,488 --> 00:22:46,823 No, no, I'm Sybil Goldrich. 351 00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:49,743 I'm... I'm doing research on an article about breast implants. 352 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:54,289 They can cause terrible health problems. I'm living proof. 353 00:22:54,372 --> 00:22:56,958 I'm not sure how the FDA can help. 354 00:22:57,292 --> 00:23:00,462 How can the FDA approve a product with such serious risks? 355 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:02,047 But we haven't. 356 00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:03,507 Excuse me? 357 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,718 Do you have any idea how many drugs have to be screened by us every year? 358 00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:10,347 No, but I bet they're not all available to unsuspecting people like me. 359 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:11,431 Here's the problem. 360 00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:13,642 Breast implants aren't a food, they're not a drug. 361 00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:18,355 Congress didn't even give us the power to regulate them until '76. 362 00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:19,731 That's 15 years ago. 363 00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:22,025 And we're getting around to it. 364 00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:23,527 Mr. McClennon, 365 00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:27,364 there are nearly one million women walking around with these things. 366 00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:29,533 What are we supposed to do in the meantime? 367 00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:30,742 It's a bureaucracy. 368 00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:33,328 It's very slow and I'm sorry about that, 369 00:23:33,411 --> 00:23:35,205 but there's really nothing else you can do but wait. 370 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,415 Well, that's where you're wrong. 371 00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:44,923 If the article were written by a surgeon... 372 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:49,094 But for God sakes, Sybil Goldrich is a Beverly Hills housewife. 373 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:53,056 Who's had severe health problems after implant surgery like me. 374 00:23:53,682 --> 00:23:55,934 But she had cancer. You don't. 375 00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:58,395 What about the manufacturer's warning? 376 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:00,856 Lawyers make them slap those warnings on there. 377 00:24:00,939 --> 00:24:03,650 -They don't mean anything. -It means something to me. 378 00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,111 It says it can affect your immune system. 379 00:24:06,194 --> 00:24:07,904 I've had pneumonia twice, 380 00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:11,324 I'm always tired, my joints ache, I trip all the time. 381 00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,160 Those symptoms could be anything. 382 00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:16,955 What does your family doctor say? 383 00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:18,832 She can't find anything wrong. 384 00:24:18,915 --> 00:24:21,668 Look, before I had implants, 385 00:24:21,751 --> 00:24:24,296 I ran six miles before breakfast. 386 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:27,340 Since the implants, I can barely get out of bed in the morning. 387 00:24:27,424 --> 00:24:29,593 I want the implants taken out. 388 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,512 Kathleen, you're overreacting. 389 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:35,974 It's unnecessary surgery, and I won't do it. 390 00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:40,687 Then I'll find someone who will. 391 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:45,483 Wait a minute. 392 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,836 Dr. Ness? 393 00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:07,672 He's the only plastic surgeon I've never heard of. 394 00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:10,592 He's a psychiatrist. 395 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:16,306 Oh, great. 396 00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:19,643 You think I'm crazy. 397 00:25:25,482 --> 00:25:28,109 Sybil Goldrich, this is Dr. Daniel Shatz. 398 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:31,488 Dan is a member of the university's pathology department. 399 00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:33,198 I read your article. Great job. 400 00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:34,616 Oh, thank you. 401 00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:39,412 All right, let me fill you in on what's going on here. 402 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:43,291 I've come to LA to go over Dan's research on breast implants 403 00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,126 and the problems that they can cause. 404 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:48,797 In a couple of weeks, the FDA is going to be holding hearings. 405 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,258 Dan is going to present his findings to the panel. 406 00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:53,426 Findings which support what you've experienced. 407 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:54,844 Oh, that's good to know. 408 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:57,430 Now, Dan can represent the scientific community, 409 00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:00,558 but we also need a woman with personal experience, a woman like you. 410 00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:04,271 -And I know this is very short notice-- -I'll be there. 411 00:26:04,854 --> 00:26:06,189 -Why am I not surprised? 412 00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:08,900 -Welcome to the trenches. - Thank you. 413 00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,117 Hello. 414 00:26:18,576 --> 00:26:21,288 Kathleen Anneken? Kentucky? 415 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,082 I hope I'm not catching you at a bad time. 416 00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:26,918 No, not at all. What can I do for you? 417 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:28,837 Uh... 418 00:26:29,629 --> 00:26:33,550 I just wanted to thank you for your article in the magazine. 419 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:38,138 Before I read it, I thought I was going crazy. 420 00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:39,931 See, uh... 421 00:26:42,309 --> 00:26:44,936 I've had trouble with my implants, too. 422 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:47,355 Oh, believe me, you're not going crazy. 423 00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:49,024 How are you now? 424 00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:50,275 Not great. 425 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:51,609 But, uh... 426 00:26:52,569 --> 00:26:54,571 I am having one heck of a time 427 00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:58,408 trying to talk a surgeon into removing these things. 428 00:26:58,783 --> 00:26:59,701 Yeah, I had trouble with that, too. 429 00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:02,996 But I bet you didn't have any trouble finding someone to put them in. 430 00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:06,124 Oh, no, they were more than willing. 431 00:27:06,666 --> 00:27:08,710 -Hmm. -You know how it is. 432 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:10,754 -Infuriating. -Yeah. 433 00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:12,213 Hmm. 434 00:27:13,089 --> 00:27:14,591 How are you doing? 435 00:27:16,426 --> 00:27:17,552 I'm fine. 436 00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:21,973 I, um, have decided to try flap reconstruction surgery. 437 00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:25,018 I'm almost finished, finally. 438 00:27:25,101 --> 00:27:26,603 Good for you. 439 00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:28,521 Gee, it's... 440 00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:32,567 It's really great to talk to someone who knows what this is like. 441 00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,905 You know, the FDA is holding hearings in Washington in two weeks 442 00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,656 and they've asked me to speak. 443 00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:41,993 I'll be back around the 10th. Why don't you call me then? 444 00:27:42,577 --> 00:27:44,371 I'd... I'd like to hear all about it. 445 00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:47,207 Thank you. 446 00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:57,133 -Any messages for Sybil Goldrich? - Sybil? 447 00:27:58,009 --> 00:27:59,594 I'm Kathleen Anneken. 448 00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:02,013 How did you-- 449 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:03,640 Your husband told me where you'd be staying. 450 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,559 -Did he? -Would you, uh, like to have lunch? 451 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,439 I know my being here is a surprise. 452 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,066 Believe me, it is to me, too. 453 00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:14,984 I've never done anything so spontaneous. 454 00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:16,319 No? 455 00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:18,613 How do you like the hotel? 456 00:28:18,696 --> 00:28:21,032 Oh, I'm... I'm not staying here. 457 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,118 I'm staying at the Douglas, near the airport. 458 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:24,994 -Oh. 459 00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:29,165 Um, well, shall we order? 460 00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:33,586 I'm... I'm going to have a hamburger. Think they're any good? 461 00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:35,088 I don't eat red meat. 462 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:38,883 -Are you ready to order? -Yes. 463 00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:41,678 I'll have the chopped salad, no egg, dressing on the side. 464 00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:43,555 And do you have any sparkling water with low sodium? 465 00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:44,848 I'll check. And you? 466 00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:48,184 The same. 467 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,897 Oh. 468 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,568 I've never been here before. Do you like Washington? 469 00:28:57,110 --> 00:29:00,613 I'm disappointed in the shopping. It's not like New York. 470 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,115 But it's a nice town. 471 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:06,077 Town. This is huge to me. 472 00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:09,789 Of course, you're coming from LA. 473 00:29:09,998 --> 00:29:12,917 I've never been that far west. Maybe someday. 474 00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:20,300 You must think I'm crazy, showing up like this. 475 00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:23,970 I... I didn't book my ticket till the last minute. 476 00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:27,182 It really means a lot to me, being here. 477 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:31,519 After lunch, I'm meeting with Louis McClennon from the FDA. 478 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:32,896 You can come along, if you'd like. 479 00:29:32,979 --> 00:29:36,483 I sure will. What... What time is the hearing tomorrow? 480 00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:37,692 3:00. 481 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,736 I want to try to meet with a Congresswoman after that. 482 00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:42,739 You'll want to talk to her, too. She's a cancer survivor like us. 483 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:44,491 Oh... 484 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,701 I didn't have cancer. 485 00:29:49,078 --> 00:29:52,040 You... You didn't have a mastectomy? 486 00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:53,792 No. 487 00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:56,795 I had implants, 488 00:29:58,338 --> 00:29:59,923 because I wanted to look better. 489 00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:05,595 Did I say something wrong? 490 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:10,767 Oh, could you bring that order right away, please? 491 00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:12,769 Um, no. 492 00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:16,856 It's just that I don't have as much time as I thought. 493 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,442 And since Louis McClennon isn't expecting you, 494 00:30:19,526 --> 00:30:21,402 maybe it's better I see him by myself. 495 00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:25,198 I just figured the more people that made noise, the better. 496 00:30:26,699 --> 00:30:29,160 Sybil, you're way ahead of me. 497 00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:34,165 There's so much I need to learn about this. 498 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:35,750 All right. 499 00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:41,172 Daniel Shatz from UCLA is in town. 500 00:30:41,256 --> 00:30:42,715 He wants to meet at 5:00, here. 501 00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,425 Why don't you join us then? 502 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:46,636 Thank you. 503 00:30:48,888 --> 00:30:50,723 You know, Memes were supposed to be the solution 504 00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,058 to capsular contracture. 505 00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:55,061 This is what one looks like when it's new. 506 00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:59,691 And look at this, patient had this removed after only six months. 507 00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:02,527 All the foam is gone. That looks awful. 508 00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:03,736 Hmm. 509 00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:05,947 Where did the rest of it go? 510 00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:07,407 Great question. 511 00:31:08,741 --> 00:31:11,202 Seems it goes into the surrounding breast tissue. 512 00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:15,290 Once it's there, it's not easy to remove it, I'll tell you. 513 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,796 What happens to the fragments if they're not removed? 514 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,302 Well, they can dissolve into a chemical known as toluene diamine, TDA. 515 00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,804 It's known to cause cancer in animals. 516 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:32,098 In fact, the FDA banned its use in hair dye. 517 00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:34,893 But it's okay for breast implants? Great. 518 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,896 I've had Meme implants. 519 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:43,359 So basically, what you're saying is, 520 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:45,987 the implants that are used for reconstructive surgery 521 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:47,947 because I had cancer... 522 00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:50,700 Can give me cancer again? 523 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,369 It's a risk, not a proven fact. 524 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,956 But it's a big risk, otherwise you wouldn't be here, right? 525 00:32:04,547 --> 00:32:06,925 I guess I better find out what these little bumps are. 526 00:32:07,884 --> 00:32:09,594 And the ones just like them on my thigh. 527 00:32:17,226 --> 00:32:19,187 -Coffee, please. -Yes, ma'am. 528 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:22,023 - Morning. -Morning. 529 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:25,234 You didn't eat much. 530 00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:28,279 I don't have much of an appetite these days. 531 00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:30,490 And as they say, there's always an upside. 532 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,159 Are you okay? 533 00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:37,538 I was real worried about you last night with those little bumps and all. 534 00:32:38,122 --> 00:32:39,290 I'm dealing with it. 535 00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:42,961 Well, better than I would. 536 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,464 Hey, I've been sitting here making some notes. 537 00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:50,218 I thought we could start a newsletter. We could do it together. 538 00:32:50,593 --> 00:32:52,303 We could call it Command. 539 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:55,098 For Cosmetic Operation Mishaps. 540 00:32:56,766 --> 00:32:59,560 Do you have any non-fat milk? Thank you. 541 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,272 So, what do you think of the title? 542 00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:05,358 Actually, I'm starting one myself. 543 00:33:05,441 --> 00:33:09,445 Truth in Reconstruction, Understanding Surgical Techniques, TRUST for short. 544 00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:13,992 How about something in between? 545 00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:19,288 To be honest with you, I haven't considered aligning myself 546 00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:22,542 with women who have had implants for purely cosmetic reasons. 547 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,921 Oh, I get it, uh... 548 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,217 You're the good victim. And I'm the bad victim. 549 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:32,719 That's not what I said. 550 00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,220 Oh, sure it is. 551 00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,014 You know, you remind me of folks 552 00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,433 who divide people with AIDS into two categories. 553 00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:40,643 The guilty ones because they're gay, 554 00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:43,062 and the innocent ones like hemophiliacs, 555 00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:44,814 because they've had transfusions. 556 00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:46,607 That's really not what I meant. 557 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:47,775 Look, 558 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:51,779 I can admit I had implants because I wanted to feel good about myself, 559 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,114 but so did you. 560 00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:55,450 I think there is a difference. 561 00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:59,162 I had cancer. I had lost something. 562 00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:01,122 And I'm sorry. 563 00:34:01,497 --> 00:34:04,000 But we both chose to have implants. 564 00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:08,880 Kathleen, I don't know what I would say in a newsletter to women like you. 565 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,216 You were perfectly healthy. I... 566 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:15,136 I was. 567 00:34:19,182 --> 00:34:21,017 But we were both misled. 568 00:34:21,809 --> 00:34:23,186 I'll see you at the hearing. 569 00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,378 The problem, gentlemen, is... 570 00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:52,507 When implants rupture or leak, 571 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:55,051 silicone gets into the bloodstream, 572 00:34:55,635 --> 00:34:58,221 and is carried to the thyroid glands, the ovaries... 573 00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,098 -Excuse me, Dr. Shatz. -If I may finish... 574 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:02,600 Are you suggesting that silicone is anything but inert? 575 00:35:02,683 --> 00:35:05,812 -Hi, how are you doing? -I was fine. 576 00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:08,397 Silicone can trigger the immune system. 577 00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:12,693 So it produces antibodies which attack itself as well as other parts of the body. 578 00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:18,282 Unfortunately, because the outer covering of the Meme implant breaks down, 579 00:35:18,741 --> 00:35:19,992 it doesn't fare any better. 580 00:35:20,409 --> 00:35:22,036 - Dr. Shatz... -How about a dry run? 581 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,791 ...I find your comments overstating, if not highly inflammatory. 582 00:35:26,874 --> 00:35:29,001 Who is the man with the bow tie? 583 00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:32,630 That's Vincent Koch. He's a lawyer from Dow Corning. 584 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,340 - Oh, boy. 585 00:35:34,423 --> 00:35:37,218 -I'd like to get a shot at him. -You'll get your chance. 586 00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:40,263 ...when implants rupture or leak, silicone... 587 00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:43,057 I thought that I would tell them that I questioned the surgeons 588 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:45,184 thoroughly about the reliability of the implants, 589 00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:49,272 but since I had no idea that they came with a manufacturer's warning, 590 00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:50,898 how could I ask to read it, something like that. 591 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,400 Mmm-hmm. That's good. 592 00:35:52,483 --> 00:35:53,568 I'd like to assure you, ma'am, 593 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:55,695 that Daniel Shatz, distinguished as he may be, 594 00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:57,280 doesn't know what he's talking about. 595 00:35:57,363 --> 00:35:59,866 With all due respect, Mr. Koch, 596 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,285 I believe he knows exactly what he's talking about, 597 00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:04,996 because I'm exactly one of the women he's describing. 598 00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:09,167 Mrs. Anneken, I sympathize with your physical discomfort, 599 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:13,004 but surely you can understand that unsubstantiated charges by one... 600 00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:15,464 Excuse me. If I may, Kathleen. 601 00:36:15,548 --> 00:36:17,300 -Mr. Koch, is it? -Yeah. 602 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:20,803 Sybil Goldrich. You may have read a recent article of mine. 603 00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,181 Or if not, I'd... I'd like to send it to you. 604 00:36:23,264 --> 00:36:24,599 When you do read it, you'll learn that 605 00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:28,060 Kathleen is just one of an untold number of women, myself included, 606 00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:30,354 who have had negative reactions to these implants. 607 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,316 Ladies, you're going to have to excuse me. 608 00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:40,198 -That pompous ass. -There's a lot of those around here. 609 00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:43,492 Did I look like I needed the cavalry? 610 00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,245 Well, yes, I thought you were going to collapse. 611 00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:48,206 Maybe so, 612 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:51,375 but I don't recall asking you to come to the rescue. 613 00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:57,131 Look, Sybil, I came here because I have to find out what's happening to me. 614 00:36:57,590 --> 00:37:01,010 And if you don't like who I am or what I've done, that's your problem. 615 00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:04,805 But I'll tell you one thing, I am not leaving Washington without answers. 616 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:06,933 Sybil, you're up next. 617 00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:11,103 -We'll talk later. - I'll check my schedule. 618 00:37:14,273 --> 00:37:17,235 But I refute Daniel Shatz's testimony. 619 00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:20,279 That's Paul Cadets, he's a big-wheel surgeon. 620 00:37:20,363 --> 00:37:24,367 If, and I say if, silicone travels, it's harmless. 621 00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:28,287 It's picked up by the lymph system and excreted or stored. 622 00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:31,123 There is no, and I repeat, no medical proof 623 00:37:31,707 --> 00:37:34,794 that links silicone to immune system ailments. 624 00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:36,379 Thank you. 625 00:37:36,879 --> 00:37:38,589 Thank you, Dr. Cadets. 626 00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:50,184 Mrs. Sybil Goldrich. 627 00:38:10,621 --> 00:38:13,624 Gentlemen, thank you for inviting me here to speak. 628 00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:17,545 Um... For me, 629 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:23,426 implant surgery was one way of reclaiming my body after a mastectomy. 630 00:38:24,468 --> 00:38:26,012 Unfortunately, 631 00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:30,975 my body rejected both the silicone implants and the Meme replacements. 632 00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:35,354 As if once wasn't enough, I've now lost my breast three times. 633 00:38:40,234 --> 00:38:42,320 Excuse me. 634 00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:45,614 I'm sorry. 635 00:38:47,783 --> 00:38:49,160 Though I... 636 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:53,247 I asked many questions prior to my surgery, 637 00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:58,085 I was not informed of the manufacturer's warning that comes with the implants. 638 00:38:59,378 --> 00:39:03,299 Had I known of the risks, I may have made a different choice. 639 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,552 -Mrs. Goldrich. -Yes. 640 00:39:06,635 --> 00:39:10,681 Is it your opinion that silicone implants should be removed from the market? 641 00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:18,022 For whatever reason a woman chooses to have implants, 642 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:24,320 she must be told 643 00:39:24,695 --> 00:39:27,073 they do not have FDA approval. 644 00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:31,243 They are not necessarily safe and they could ruin her health. 645 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:34,455 Thank you. 646 00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:37,249 Thank you, Mrs. Goldrich. 647 00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:40,169 We'll take a 10-minute break. 648 00:39:59,355 --> 00:40:01,399 I just hope they heard that. 649 00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:04,652 Well, I did. 650 00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:09,323 So, now what? 651 00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:13,953 I'd say it's about time we paid a visit to a few members of Congress. 652 00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:17,790 Here, you take half this list. 653 00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:27,425 I'm sorry, Congresswoman Brenner is unavailable. 654 00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:28,926 We need 10 minutes at the most. 655 00:40:29,009 --> 00:40:30,803 You'd be wasting your time. 656 00:40:30,886 --> 00:40:32,847 The Congresswoman doesn't agree with your position 657 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,598 that breast implants be taken off the market. 658 00:40:34,682 --> 00:40:36,684 -Well, that's not my position. -Mine either. 659 00:40:36,767 --> 00:40:39,728 We just want to make sure that women are informed of the dangers involved. 660 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:41,522 Thanks for your help. 661 00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:46,402 Let me get this straight, she doesn't have time to listen to us, 662 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:49,530 but she's got time to listen to Dr. Slick here who gives her a line of baloney? 663 00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:53,659 -Excuse me. -No, I will not excuse you or anybody else 664 00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,327 who participates in this whitewash. 665 00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:56,829 Can we go before we get arrested? 666 00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:59,123 -All right, we'll go. For now. -Sybil... 667 00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:09,508 If you ask me, the big boys are nervous. 668 00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,427 Otherwise, why send a heavy hitter like Koch here, 669 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:14,054 and why have Cadets buttonholing Congress people? 670 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,431 You might be on to something. 671 00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:17,308 We just need to keep the pressure turned up, 672 00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:18,809 especially from the private sector. 673 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:20,394 Which reminds me, 674 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:24,148 that FDA panel has a seat for a consumer representative and it's vacant. 675 00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:26,108 We could appoint Sybil. 676 00:41:27,776 --> 00:41:30,905 No, she's not eligible unless she represents an organization. 677 00:41:32,448 --> 00:41:34,200 Actually, we do. 678 00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:36,285 It's called Command Trust... 679 00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:37,620 Network. 680 00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:41,582 Kathleen's the president. I'm the vice-president. 681 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:46,962 Well, then, it's settled. 682 00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:51,634 Thanks for taking me to breakfast. 683 00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:55,012 You didn't have to spring for a limo, too. 684 00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:57,348 Yeah, I think maybe I owe you. 685 00:41:57,973 --> 00:41:59,350 So, uh... 686 00:42:00,309 --> 00:42:02,269 What are we going to put in our newsletter? 687 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,523 Well, maybe we should each write an article, 688 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:08,484 from our own point of view, about what happened. 689 00:42:09,276 --> 00:42:11,320 Okay. And, uh... 690 00:42:11,654 --> 00:42:15,115 I'll contact other women's groups and see if they'll lend their mailing list. 691 00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:17,826 That's a good idea. 692 00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:22,456 And let me know when you find a surgeon to remove those implants. 693 00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:24,333 If I do. 694 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:25,793 You will. 695 00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:31,382 And call after a doctor checks those little bumps on your wrist. 696 00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:32,967 All right. 697 00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:37,638 So I guess... 698 00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:45,771 Take care. 699 00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:47,523 You, too. 700 00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:06,375 The nodules are non-cancerous tumors. 701 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,461 I suppose they could have been caused by the silicone, 702 00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:12,673 since it leaked into your system when the implants ruptured. 703 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,596 My implants ruptured? 704 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:20,764 Why wasn't I told? 705 00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:23,267 I have no idea. It's here in your chart. 706 00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:27,229 It took the surgeon two hours to clean the gel off your chest wall. 707 00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:31,609 Do you believe that? Now I find out that I could have silicone 708 00:43:31,692 --> 00:43:34,320 flying around in my body and I can't do anything. 709 00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:36,113 Those damn doctors. 710 00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:38,532 Right. 711 00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:40,075 She doesn't mean you, Dad. 712 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,452 - Uh-huh. -Who's she talking to? 713 00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:42,745 One guess. 714 00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:44,288 Yeah. 715 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:46,790 So you keep looking for a surgeon, Kathleen, 716 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:50,502 and don't let them give you the party line about silicone being inert. 717 00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:51,712 Actually, 718 00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:54,506 I think I've found one 719 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:58,177 who's agreed to talk to me about having the implants removed. 720 00:43:59,094 --> 00:44:00,304 I, uh... 721 00:44:01,555 --> 00:44:03,140 I'm seeing him tomorrow. 722 00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:06,268 Well, that's wonderful, Kathleen. What, honey? 723 00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:08,354 -Forgot to give this to you. -Oh, thank you. 724 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:15,069 Kathleen, did you read the paper today? Listen to this. 725 00:44:16,195 --> 00:44:20,074 "A jury found in favor yesterday of a woman suing Dow Corning." 726 00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:23,786 She claimed her implants were the cause of an autoimmune disease. 727 00:44:24,828 --> 00:44:25,829 Oh, my goodness. 728 00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:27,623 What? 729 00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:30,542 She was awarded $1.7 million. 730 00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:34,463 The judge upheld the jury's finding that Dow Corning committed fraud. 731 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:35,923 What's the attorney's name? 732 00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:39,843 A Joshua Norton, and he lives here. 733 00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:44,223 Sybil, be gentle. 734 00:44:44,765 --> 00:44:46,600 I know. I know. I know. 735 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,977 I'll call you as soon as I've cornered him. 736 00:44:49,603 --> 00:44:50,562 Bye-bye. 737 00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:54,233 Xena, this is fantastic, darling. 738 00:44:54,817 --> 00:44:56,110 -Thank you. - You're welcome. 739 00:45:02,074 --> 00:45:03,450 How was practice? 740 00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:05,911 It was okay. 741 00:45:09,706 --> 00:45:10,958 Brad... 742 00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:15,838 I saw your face when I mentioned having the implants removed. 743 00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:18,382 It's no big deal. 744 00:45:28,767 --> 00:45:29,977 Brad. 745 00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,355 Okay. 746 00:45:35,649 --> 00:45:38,318 I... I guess I don't know why you had them in in the first place. 747 00:45:44,783 --> 00:45:47,035 Remember the beginning of last season, 748 00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:49,455 when you had to have the new high-tops, 749 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,457 'cause the old ones didn't look so good? 750 00:45:54,376 --> 00:45:56,211 Maybe it's not so different for me. 751 00:45:57,171 --> 00:46:01,842 Mom, I didn't have my new high-tops surgically attached to my feet. 752 00:46:09,892 --> 00:46:13,896 So, I'm in the mood for a cheap escapist thriller. 753 00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:15,355 Anybody with me? 754 00:46:15,439 --> 00:46:17,733 -No chainsaws. -Spoilsport. 755 00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:19,526 -Sybil, you in? -No, go ahead. 756 00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:21,361 I want to try and finish this newsletter 757 00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:22,779 and I'd like to see if I can get a hold 758 00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:25,115 of this Joshua Norton's telephone number tonight if possible. 759 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:26,533 -Can't it wait? -Yeah, Mom. 760 00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:27,993 It can, but it won't. Go ahead. 761 00:46:28,076 --> 00:46:30,329 You don't need me to have fun. Go. 762 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:33,874 Okay, it's your loss. I'll get my coat. 763 00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:38,045 Sybil... 764 00:46:39,838 --> 00:46:41,590 -What's going on? -Nothing. 765 00:46:43,217 --> 00:46:44,885 I just don't want to go to a movie. 766 00:46:45,844 --> 00:46:47,721 Jimmy, don't over-analyze everything. 767 00:46:47,804 --> 00:46:49,765 I'm not. I'm just... 768 00:46:53,018 --> 00:46:54,436 -Never mind. 769 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,854 -I'll see you later. -Okay. 770 00:46:59,483 --> 00:47:01,652 And I'm an oncologist, not a plastic surgeon. 771 00:47:01,902 --> 00:47:05,322 I know, but none of the plastic surgeons would help. 772 00:47:07,366 --> 00:47:09,201 To do so could give credence to your argument 773 00:47:09,284 --> 00:47:11,161 that the implants have caused your illness. 774 00:47:11,245 --> 00:47:14,373 This isn't about what they think, this is about what I want. 775 00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:16,250 Your symptoms may not go away. 776 00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,711 I'm willing to take that chance. 777 00:47:19,795 --> 00:47:22,089 You had the implants for cosmetic reasons. 778 00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:26,343 Do you understand how your breasts will appear without them? 779 00:47:27,052 --> 00:47:28,136 Yes. 780 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:33,892 Why don't we do a mammogram to see if the implants have ruptured? 781 00:47:35,769 --> 00:47:37,020 Thank you, Dr. Warren. 782 00:47:37,229 --> 00:47:39,565 I haven't agreed to perform the surgery yet. 783 00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:41,817 I know. 784 00:47:42,859 --> 00:47:45,612 But you're the first surgeon who's listened to me in a long time. 785 00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:51,285 Sorry to make you eat on the run, but I'm due in court. 786 00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:54,121 No problem. Um, do you have any salads? 787 00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:57,207 Um... 788 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,919 So, Mr. Norton how did you convince a jury 789 00:48:01,003 --> 00:48:03,005 that Dow Corning committed fraud? 790 00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:04,881 Well, Dow said their implants were safe. 791 00:48:04,965 --> 00:48:07,009 The only thing wrong with that is, 792 00:48:07,092 --> 00:48:08,552 their own documents suggest otherwise. 793 00:48:08,635 --> 00:48:10,429 -What documents? -Mmm... 794 00:48:12,139 --> 00:48:14,600 I got the court to order Dow to give me the files. 795 00:48:15,225 --> 00:48:18,729 I saw stuff going back 20 years. We hit the jackpot. 796 00:48:19,354 --> 00:48:21,898 I'd like copies. 797 00:48:22,107 --> 00:48:23,984 Can't. I can't even tell you what's in 'em. 798 00:48:24,067 --> 00:48:26,778 That's one of the conditions of them giving me access in the first place. 799 00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:29,072 So the information exists, but I can't have it? 800 00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:30,574 That's what I'm saying. 801 00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:33,076 Then I'd say Dow Corning's in for a rude awakening. 802 00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,121 I'd say you're in for a fight. I got to run, sorry. 803 00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:46,006 And so, if what Michael Norton says is true, 804 00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:49,843 and we can assume that it is since his client was awarded over a million bucks, 805 00:48:50,844 --> 00:48:53,472 how do these guys at Dow Corning sleep at night? 806 00:48:53,555 --> 00:48:55,766 They sleep just fine, Sybil. 807 00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:58,143 Dow is like any other corporate entity. 808 00:48:58,226 --> 00:49:00,145 Their board answers to the stockholders. 809 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:03,190 -Not to do so would be in breach of-- -Oh, Jimmy. 810 00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:05,442 How can you defend these people? 811 00:49:05,734 --> 00:49:07,944 - I'm not. - Yes, you are. 812 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:09,071 Xena, pass the dressing. 813 00:49:09,988 --> 00:49:12,908 We have this conversation every night. Can we give it a rest? 814 00:49:12,991 --> 00:49:14,076 Hear, hear. 815 00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:17,913 Oh, sorry I'm boring you. 816 00:49:18,497 --> 00:49:21,458 You're not, but... That's not what I said. 817 00:49:21,583 --> 00:49:24,461 Every time we're together, we talk about implants. 818 00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:26,380 You're becoming obsessed. 819 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,674 How can you say that to me? 820 00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:31,885 Let the machine get it. 821 00:49:31,968 --> 00:49:34,179 -I'll get it. 822 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,808 Ah... 823 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:41,978 Oh, my God. 824 00:49:49,611 --> 00:49:50,904 What are you doing? 825 00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:54,324 Is it too much to ask to have a... 826 00:49:54,408 --> 00:49:55,951 A normal dinner with my family? 827 00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:58,245 Because if it is, I'll go down the street to get a burger. 828 00:49:58,328 --> 00:50:01,164 Fine. Jimmy, leave. Why not? 829 00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:04,000 That's right, why not? You do it all the time. 830 00:50:05,293 --> 00:50:08,296 This work has taken over our whole lives. 831 00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:11,717 And I'm very sorry that you don't see it as important. 832 00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:20,517 Kathleen was supposed to have her implants out today. 833 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,893 Then get it. 834 00:50:21,977 --> 00:50:23,437 Thank you. 835 00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:35,073 Hello. 836 00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:38,201 Hi, Sybil, it's me. I hope I didn't... 837 00:50:38,535 --> 00:50:40,328 Catch me at a bad time? 838 00:50:41,037 --> 00:50:44,040 No, not at all. I'm glad you called. Are you all right? 839 00:50:44,124 --> 00:50:45,876 -Well... 840 00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:50,088 Well, I had my implants out, like I wanted. 841 00:50:52,674 --> 00:50:55,594 And just now, I was thinking about junior high. 842 00:50:57,888 --> 00:50:59,431 I was so skinny. 843 00:51:01,683 --> 00:51:05,645 The boys used to say I should hire myself out as an ironing board. 844 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,023 Oh, Kathleen. 845 00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:10,942 God, Sybil, they'd all laugh. 846 00:51:11,276 --> 00:51:12,986 You don't need to tough this out. 847 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:15,238 Yeah, I think I do. 848 00:51:15,655 --> 00:51:17,783 I shouldn't... 849 00:51:17,866 --> 00:51:21,286 ...have cared so much about what they thought, but I did. 850 00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,081 And now, here I am. 851 00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:32,714 So many years later, and it's like... 852 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,845 It's like I'm less than zero. 853 00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:42,015 What happened was not your fault. 854 00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,980 Now I know what you must have felt like after your mastectomy. 855 00:51:50,649 --> 00:51:53,652 I would give anything for you not to know that. 856 00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:58,031 Before I forget, um... 857 00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:03,411 We have four new members of Command Trust. 858 00:52:04,454 --> 00:52:05,997 Three women, 859 00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:09,167 and a transsexual from San Francisco. 860 00:52:14,172 --> 00:52:15,715 We'll talk later, okay? 861 00:52:16,383 --> 00:52:18,009 You can count on it. 862 00:52:19,135 --> 00:52:20,011 Bye. 863 00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:34,484 Honey, please. 864 00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:37,946 Please don't shut me out. 865 00:52:39,197 --> 00:52:40,156 Okay? 866 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,200 I can't help it. 867 00:52:46,204 --> 00:52:47,956 I feel so unlovable. 868 00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,708 Oh, no, you're not. 869 00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:52,210 Not to me, you could never be to me. 870 00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:55,213 Sweetheart... 871 00:52:57,966 --> 00:52:59,759 I just want to hold you. 872 00:53:00,302 --> 00:53:01,720 All right? We'll take it slow. 873 00:53:01,803 --> 00:53:03,805 I just want to hold you tonight. 874 00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:11,187 It's going to be all right. 875 00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:13,857 It is all right. 876 00:53:27,245 --> 00:53:30,123 Celia and Rich want us to go to opening night of the ball. 877 00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:31,750 Sounds okay. 878 00:53:33,376 --> 00:53:34,753 We need to talk. 879 00:53:37,172 --> 00:53:38,548 Indeed we do. 880 00:53:40,091 --> 00:53:42,177 Connie Chung's office phoned me. 881 00:53:43,595 --> 00:53:45,430 They're interested in an interview. 882 00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:48,224 Actually, no, it's more than that. They... 883 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,979 They want to show pictures of my breasts after they became 884 00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:55,607 infected and disfigured. 885 00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:57,067 And you said yes? 886 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,236 No, I said I wanted to discuss it with my husband. 887 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,697 And what would you do if I said I'd rather you not do that? 888 00:54:04,449 --> 00:54:06,409 Is that what you're saying? 889 00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:08,328 No, no, I'm asking you a direct question. 890 00:54:08,411 --> 00:54:10,163 If I'd rather you wouldn't do that... 891 00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:11,957 I heard you the first time. 892 00:54:13,792 --> 00:54:17,879 Jimmy, this work that I'm doing is very important to me. 893 00:54:17,963 --> 00:54:19,214 It helps me cope. 894 00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:22,217 -You talked to the girls? -Mmm-hmm. 895 00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:25,720 Xena's fine. Amy has never much understood 896 00:54:25,804 --> 00:54:27,263 why her mother is so out there. 897 00:54:27,347 --> 00:54:28,640 That's a direct quote. 898 00:54:30,976 --> 00:54:32,644 I wish that you did. 899 00:54:35,271 --> 00:54:39,317 You're beginning to treat my involvement with this like it's an inconvenience, 900 00:54:39,401 --> 00:54:43,071 -like it is just another fundraiser. -Sybil, do what you want. 901 00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:46,032 Damn it, Jimmy, this is about spending what time I have 902 00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:47,283 in a meaningful way. 903 00:54:47,367 --> 00:54:50,120 The children and I had hoped that you would spend that time with us. 904 00:54:51,329 --> 00:54:52,330 Wait a minute. 905 00:54:52,539 --> 00:54:55,625 Sybil, this work that you're doing helps you cope, that's fine. 906 00:54:55,709 --> 00:54:57,210 -But for me, it's just a reminder. -Of what? 907 00:54:57,293 --> 00:54:58,753 Of how I let you down. 908 00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:02,465 Doesn't it ever occur to you that I might feel responsible for all this? 909 00:55:03,008 --> 00:55:05,301 You didn't know what was going to happen any more than I did. 910 00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:07,637 -We both asked questions. -I'm a doctor. 911 00:55:08,346 --> 00:55:11,307 I hear you bad-mouth doctors all the time on the phone to Kathleen. 912 00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:12,851 Don't you think I hear that? 913 00:55:14,185 --> 00:55:15,979 I don't blame you. 914 00:55:16,604 --> 00:55:18,648 -Don't you? -No, of course not. 915 00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:20,900 The choices were mine. 916 00:55:21,276 --> 00:55:23,862 You're a good doctor. More than that, you're a good man. 917 00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:26,489 And you would never ever let one of your patients 918 00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:27,991 make the choices that I made 919 00:55:28,074 --> 00:55:30,243 without a full understanding of the risks involved, 920 00:55:30,326 --> 00:55:31,453 and I know that. 921 00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:33,204 You're sure? 922 00:55:38,835 --> 00:55:40,336 You're sure you're sure? 923 00:55:48,261 --> 00:55:50,180 Oh! Three points, Daddy. 924 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:54,100 Oh, that was lame. 925 00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:56,394 Oh, yeah, smart girl? Show me what you got. 926 00:55:56,478 --> 00:55:58,730 Sitting there in the sidelines, making noise. Come on. 927 00:55:59,397 --> 00:56:00,982 Three points, Mom. 928 00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:03,735 Oh, come on. Go ahead. I dare you. 929 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,528 Mommy! 930 00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:09,699 Yes! 931 00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:12,243 Hey, she's back. 932 00:56:13,578 --> 00:56:16,164 Amy! Mom's show's on. 933 00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:20,210 Sybil Goldrich received implants after a double mastectomy. 934 00:56:20,293 --> 00:56:21,461 You didn't set the VCR? 935 00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:23,838 No, no, no, the resident technician did it. 936 00:56:23,922 --> 00:56:25,673 Although implants have been on the market for three decades. 937 00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:26,925 Look, Mom, it's you. 938 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:31,012 -This is your fantasy, eh? - I look fat. 939 00:56:31,429 --> 00:56:33,306 TV adds 10 pounds. 940 00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:35,391 Oh, now you tell me. 941 00:56:35,475 --> 00:56:36,601 You're beautiful. 942 00:56:37,143 --> 00:56:41,815 There are over 300 implant operations done every day in this country. 943 00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,733 Women who choose this surgery 944 00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:47,654 must be given a copy of the manufacturer's warning that comes with the product. 945 00:56:48,571 --> 00:56:50,323 Had I been given more information, 946 00:56:50,406 --> 00:56:52,700 at least I could have made an informed choice. 947 00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:55,203 Mrs. Goldrich gave us permission to show 948 00:56:55,286 --> 00:56:56,955 this graphic and shocking photo 949 00:56:57,038 --> 00:56:58,873 that illustrates the extent of her disfigurement 950 00:56:58,957 --> 00:57:00,917 after five implant operations. 951 00:57:01,501 --> 00:57:04,629 Like many women, numerous operations left my breasts... 952 00:57:04,712 --> 00:57:06,798 -Forget about it. -...disfigured and infected. 953 00:57:07,549 --> 00:57:08,883 Amy? Amy! 954 00:57:08,967 --> 00:57:10,635 And all this time, the FDA has never approved them. 955 00:57:11,553 --> 00:57:14,681 Just as I say that I believe implants are harmful, 956 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:18,101 the drug companies and manufacturers have no proof that they're not. 957 00:57:28,403 --> 00:57:30,697 Amy? I want to talk. 958 00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,116 After tonight, you said it all, Mom. 959 00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:37,454 Amy, you may as well give up. 960 00:57:37,537 --> 00:57:39,622 You know how persistent I am. 961 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,459 I don't have time for this. 962 00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:44,252 Well, make time. 963 00:57:46,045 --> 00:57:48,673 You've been grousing at me for months, and I've left you alone. 964 00:57:49,632 --> 00:57:50,842 It's fine with me. 965 00:57:50,925 --> 00:57:52,469 What's bothering you? 966 00:57:52,552 --> 00:57:53,803 You don't want to know. 967 00:57:53,887 --> 00:57:55,305 Yes, I do. 968 00:57:55,763 --> 00:57:57,891 Nobody cares more about you than I do. 969 00:58:00,727 --> 00:58:02,145 Amy, what do you want? 970 00:58:02,395 --> 00:58:04,856 I want to be left alone. 971 00:58:04,939 --> 00:58:06,399 I don't believe you. 972 00:58:06,483 --> 00:58:07,859 Okay, don't believe me. 973 00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:09,944 Doesn't matter what I think anyway. 974 00:58:10,195 --> 00:58:11,446 It matters to me. 975 00:58:11,905 --> 00:58:13,364 What do you want me to say, Mother? 976 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,202 That I approve of you showing your breasts all over national TV? 977 00:58:17,827 --> 00:58:19,037 Well, I don't. 978 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,915 Okay? It is the most repulsive thing I've ever seen in my life. 979 00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:26,127 Where is your self-respect? 980 00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:29,631 You want to know the truth? You disgust me, okay? 981 00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:30,840 Are you happy now? 982 00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:34,469 This is so humiliating. 983 00:58:36,387 --> 00:58:39,349 I'm just so scared all the time, if the cancer is... 984 00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:40,433 Amy. 985 00:58:40,767 --> 00:58:42,602 We're pretty sure the cancer is gone. 986 00:58:43,436 --> 00:58:45,146 And I'm taking the tests. 987 00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:47,190 Cancer runs in families, Mom. 988 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,400 You know, sometimes I think it's not a matter of 989 00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:51,361 if I'm going to get it, but when. 990 00:58:51,694 --> 00:58:54,656 Honey, why didn't you talk to me about this sooner? 991 00:58:54,822 --> 00:58:56,824 Because there's nothing you can do about it. 992 00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:00,787 Amy... 993 00:59:03,623 --> 00:59:07,043 Just because I had cancer doesn't mean that you and Xena will. 994 00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:10,630 My mother didn't have breast cancer, neither did my grandmother. 995 00:59:11,756 --> 00:59:16,177 Mom, telling me not to worry is not going to make what I'm feeling go away. 996 00:59:16,469 --> 00:59:17,845 You're right. 997 00:59:20,431 --> 00:59:22,559 Amy, whatever you choose to think, 998 00:59:23,017 --> 00:59:25,061 don't ever be afraid to know 999 00:59:25,144 --> 00:59:27,230 what's going on inside your own body. 1000 00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:31,484 I have to finish this paper. 1001 00:59:39,784 --> 00:59:43,079 You should know this, I'm going to Washington again. 1002 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:47,000 I've been asked to testify before a House Subcommittee. 1003 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:50,545 They're finally looking into just how safe implants are. 1004 00:59:51,504 --> 00:59:52,589 Or aren't. 1005 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:53,715 Hmm. 1006 00:59:54,966 --> 00:59:56,759 Like Congress actually cares. 1007 00:59:57,468 --> 00:59:59,596 Oh, Kathleen and I have gotten the word out. 1008 00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,515 There's a lot of other women who are demanding the truth. 1009 01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:06,686 So you see, your mother isn't the only woman out there who has a big mouth. 1010 01:00:08,855 --> 01:00:12,442 I guess... I guess that's one trait I could stand to inherit, 1011 01:00:12,525 --> 01:00:14,152 since I want to be a lawyer, right? 1012 01:00:14,527 --> 01:00:16,821 Yes, you could. 1013 01:00:27,582 --> 01:00:28,499 Mom? 1014 01:00:31,127 --> 01:00:32,503 Knock 'em dead. 1015 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,060 No, I know. 1016 01:00:47,352 --> 01:00:51,314 Well, listen, you let us know if you want any more information. 1017 01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:54,692 Mmm-hmm. Sure, bye. 1018 01:00:56,611 --> 01:00:58,738 -Hey, I'll get it, Mom. -Oh, okay. 1019 01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:00,490 You know what to say? 1020 01:01:00,573 --> 01:01:01,741 Yeah, I got plenty to say. 1021 01:01:03,951 --> 01:01:06,245 Hello? This is Command Trust. 1022 01:01:07,455 --> 01:01:09,540 Yeah, I saw the show, too. 1023 01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:11,751 Really? 1024 01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:14,295 It happened to you, too? 1025 01:01:15,296 --> 01:01:17,423 Would you like us to send you some information? 1026 01:01:21,886 --> 01:01:22,970 What happened? 1027 01:01:23,054 --> 01:01:24,681 Yeah, can I... Is everybody all right? 1028 01:01:24,764 --> 01:01:25,973 -Well, sure. - "Well, sure"? 1029 01:01:26,391 --> 01:01:29,352 Kathleen, I've been trying to call for two hours, the phone has been busy. 1030 01:01:29,435 --> 01:01:32,730 I'm sorry, honey, I told you Sybil's TV interview was on last night. 1031 01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,108 Producers gave our phone number as a reference, 1032 01:01:35,191 --> 01:01:37,026 and I guess the program hit a nerve. 1033 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:38,778 -Let it ring. 1034 01:01:38,861 --> 01:01:41,030 Dad, it might be one of those women who needs information. 1035 01:01:42,156 --> 01:01:43,449 Then answer it. 1036 01:01:44,409 --> 01:01:45,284 Hello? 1037 01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:46,619 What did you have to tell me that was so important? 1038 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:47,995 No, that's not the point, Kathleen. 1039 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:49,831 I couldn't get through to my own home. 1040 01:01:50,331 --> 01:01:52,875 David, when you opened your accounting firm, 1041 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,961 you were on the phone 10 hours a day. 1042 01:01:55,044 --> 01:01:57,422 Why can't I get the same consideration? 1043 01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:03,469 When are things going to get back to normal around here? 1044 01:02:03,845 --> 01:02:06,139 The only way I can live with this 1045 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,225 is to make sure other women won't go through what I have, 1046 01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:11,227 what we have. 1047 01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:12,895 And if you're going to live with me, 1048 01:02:13,771 --> 01:02:15,273 you're going to have to live with that decision. 1049 01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:21,696 Well, I guess there's just one thing left for me to do, then. 1050 01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:25,491 I'm going to have to put in another phone line, huh? 1051 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,869 All right, Dad. 1052 01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:30,913 What else am I going to do? You got me double-teamed here. 1053 01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:37,253 And I've had three autoimmune diseases. 1054 01:02:37,795 --> 01:02:41,299 Just never occurred to me that the implants had anything to do with it 1055 01:02:41,382 --> 01:02:44,802 until my surgeon discovered that mine had ruptured. 1056 01:02:46,095 --> 01:02:49,432 Took five hours to clean up the silicone in my chest cavity. 1057 01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:52,643 But who knows where else it spread. 1058 01:02:52,727 --> 01:02:55,396 Sounds all too familiar. What can I do for you? 1059 01:02:55,897 --> 01:02:59,776 This may be insane. 1060 01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:02,862 But I want to take on Dow Corning. 1061 01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:05,698 Now, the thing is, I need the right lawyer, 1062 01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:07,950 and I thought you would know of someone. 1063 01:03:08,034 --> 01:03:09,744 Yes, I do. 1064 01:03:09,827 --> 01:03:11,704 His name is Joshua Norton. He's done it before. 1065 01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:14,457 He's the best there is. I have his number in my car. 1066 01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:17,043 -Oh, thank you, Sybil. -Thank you, Joan. 1067 01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:18,961 You keep in touch with me, you let me know how it's going. 1068 01:03:19,045 --> 01:03:20,213 -All right? -You bet. 1069 01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:21,839 Let's get it. 1070 01:03:27,011 --> 01:03:28,721 How many on this Subcommittee? 1071 01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:31,182 Uh, eight. But they won't all show up. 1072 01:03:31,265 --> 01:03:34,936 Well, I bet they would if this were about penile implants. 1073 01:03:35,019 --> 01:03:38,105 What we need is a hot piece on the 6:00 news 1074 01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:39,982 or something in the Washington Post. 1075 01:03:40,066 --> 01:03:42,235 This really is all about politics, isn't it? 1076 01:03:42,318 --> 01:03:43,319 And then some. 1077 01:03:44,862 --> 01:03:45,905 Did I miss anything? 1078 01:03:45,988 --> 01:03:48,950 Oh, Kathleen. Oh! How good to see you. 1079 01:03:49,033 --> 01:03:50,243 -Good to see you, too. -Oh, you look great. 1080 01:03:50,326 --> 01:03:52,411 -Thank you. Hi. How are you? -Kathleen, hi. 1081 01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:53,913 Mr. Koch? 1082 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,748 Mr. Koch? 1083 01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:57,625 -Sybil Goldrich. -Oh. 1084 01:03:57,917 --> 01:04:01,045 How does it feel to know that Dow Corning has internal documents 1085 01:04:01,128 --> 01:04:02,797 that suggest the implants might not be safe? 1086 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,049 Excuse me, Mrs. Goldrich, I don't know what you're talking about. 1087 01:04:05,132 --> 01:04:07,969 Well, you must be aware of the $1.7 million settlement 1088 01:04:08,052 --> 01:04:09,929 that the court ordered Dow to pay that woman. 1089 01:04:10,012 --> 01:04:12,682 Mrs. Goldrich, I really think this conversation is inappropriate, 1090 01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:16,602 in light of your newsletter which encourages readers to sue Dow Corning. 1091 01:04:16,686 --> 01:04:18,646 We're not encouraging anyone to sue. 1092 01:04:18,729 --> 01:04:21,816 However, we do offer guidance as to how to select a lawyer 1093 01:04:21,899 --> 01:04:24,110 in case any of our readers feel they need one. 1094 01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:25,778 Ah, excuse me. 1095 01:04:26,362 --> 01:04:27,613 Sybil... 1096 01:04:28,447 --> 01:04:31,909 There, uh, might be a more diplomatic way of handling him. 1097 01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:35,746 Oh, come on, Kathleen, that man won't even admit there was a settlement. 1098 01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:38,124 Look, we want information, 1099 01:04:38,457 --> 01:04:40,126 we're not going to get it by bulldozing him 1100 01:04:40,209 --> 01:04:41,502 or anybody else like him. 1101 01:04:42,795 --> 01:04:44,839 Excuse me, I have to get ready. 1102 01:04:45,923 --> 01:04:48,509 -I'll grab a seat. -I'll be right there. 1103 01:04:48,926 --> 01:04:51,345 -Kathleen, could I talk to you first? -Sure. 1104 01:04:55,266 --> 01:04:58,644 I, um... I hope you know what a good job I think Command Trust is doing. 1105 01:04:58,728 --> 01:04:59,854 Thank you. 1106 01:04:59,937 --> 01:05:01,939 And when I say what I'm about to say, 1107 01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:05,276 know also that I have the greatest admiration for Sybil 1108 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:06,986 and for everything that she's accomplished. 1109 01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:08,237 But... 1110 01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:09,655 We, um... 1111 01:05:10,197 --> 01:05:12,992 We are starting a new advisory panel. 1112 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,748 And I would very much like to see the Command Trust Network have a voice on it. 1113 01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:20,166 Now, Sybil... 1114 01:05:20,499 --> 01:05:22,501 Sybil's a little hard, so... 1115 01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:25,463 But would you consider taking that position? 1116 01:05:26,797 --> 01:05:27,798 Maybe. 1117 01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:30,593 Tell me more. 1118 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:31,928 Well, we're going to require that 1119 01:05:32,011 --> 01:05:35,431 manufacturers of implants submit detailed reports 1120 01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:38,392 showing us that they can minimize the risks. 1121 01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:40,895 And then in a few months, the panel will meet again, 1122 01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:42,438 and they'll go over all the findings. 1123 01:05:43,439 --> 01:05:45,900 What if the manufacturers can't comply? 1124 01:05:47,026 --> 01:05:49,028 Well, it's possible the FDA would recommend 1125 01:05:49,111 --> 01:05:50,780 pulling the implants off the market. 1126 01:05:52,573 --> 01:05:53,699 This is serious. 1127 01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:55,076 You bet. 1128 01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:57,370 I've already talked to the administrators about you. 1129 01:05:57,453 --> 01:06:00,206 I like your style. You're tough, but you listen. 1130 01:06:00,998 --> 01:06:02,541 Now, you'll be the consumer representative. 1131 01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:05,461 It's a non-voting position, but it's a lot of work. 1132 01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:09,382 -Count me in. -I was hoping you'd say that. 1133 01:06:10,424 --> 01:06:12,385 Over the last few months, 1134 01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:15,012 I've not had any recurrence of cancer. 1135 01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:19,725 But what will happen from the silicone that is still in my body? 1136 01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,646 I shudder when I think about it. 1137 01:06:24,772 --> 01:06:25,940 Thank you. 1138 01:06:32,321 --> 01:06:35,282 I think that ought to satisfy her. Let's go. 1139 01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:41,372 You see, the thing that bothers me is that, 1140 01:06:41,455 --> 01:06:46,085 here we have a history of the FDA dragging its feet on problems 1141 01:06:46,168 --> 01:06:49,422 that its own scientists have identified as being very serious. 1142 01:06:50,381 --> 01:06:51,924 And I don't understand that. 1143 01:06:53,092 --> 01:06:57,304 The FDA is not in the business to kowtow 1144 01:06:57,388 --> 01:07:01,308 to plastic surgeons, or manufacturers, or to anybody else. 1145 01:07:02,184 --> 01:07:06,147 You are here to protect the well-being of the American public. 1146 01:07:11,444 --> 01:07:14,363 Yeah, I'm happy that Command Trust has a seat on the panel. 1147 01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:16,782 -But unhappy McClennon asked me. -No. 1148 01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:19,201 All I'm saying is after Weiss' speech today, 1149 01:07:19,285 --> 01:07:21,037 the FDA is going to feel pressure from all sides. 1150 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,329 Don't let them off the hook. 1151 01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:26,125 I might not be as outspoken as you, Sybil, but I'm not a pushover. 1152 01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:29,962 Kathleen, come here. 1153 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:31,172 What? 1154 01:07:33,299 --> 01:07:35,176 Somebody's rearranged my things. 1155 01:07:37,136 --> 01:07:39,680 And I'm sure I didn't leave this medicine bag open. 1156 01:07:41,932 --> 01:07:43,809 Could somebody have gone through this? 1157 01:07:51,442 --> 01:07:53,402 Maybe they were after my mailing lists. 1158 01:07:55,237 --> 01:07:57,406 It could be. It could be, yeah. 1159 01:07:58,574 --> 01:08:00,659 Of course, it could have been a stray dog. 1160 01:08:00,743 --> 01:08:02,620 Oh, in my hotel room in Washington, 1161 01:08:02,703 --> 01:08:04,288 a stray dog went through my medicine bag. 1162 01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:07,208 Sybil, you would not be the first hotel guest 1163 01:08:07,291 --> 01:08:09,460 to have a maid rifle through her things. 1164 01:08:09,543 --> 01:08:11,295 Don't you think it's a bit coincidental? 1165 01:08:11,712 --> 01:08:15,216 Okay. Okay, we will padlock the garbage cans 1166 01:08:15,299 --> 01:08:16,801 and get you a paper shredder. 1167 01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,011 -It's not funny. -Not at all. 1168 01:08:19,095 --> 01:08:21,305 Think the neighbors would mind the machine gun turrets? 1169 01:08:22,181 --> 01:08:24,183 Come on, Sybil, get a grip. 1170 01:08:28,771 --> 01:08:32,566 Honey, you said you were coming to bed about three hours ago. 1171 01:08:32,650 --> 01:08:34,485 -It's 2:00 AM, you know. -I know. 1172 01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:38,030 I got to get through these so I can turn in my recommendations. 1173 01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:40,241 Panel meets in Washington again next week. 1174 01:08:40,491 --> 01:08:41,784 Already? 1175 01:08:42,993 --> 01:08:44,495 What is all this stuff? 1176 01:08:47,123 --> 01:08:51,919 Remember I told you the FDA is requiring all implant manufacturers 1177 01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:53,712 to submit documents proving their safety? 1178 01:08:53,796 --> 01:08:55,005 Right. 1179 01:08:55,089 --> 01:08:56,799 Well, these are the documents. 1180 01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,636 I guess that kind of fits into the category of, 1181 01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,263 "be careful what you ask for," huh? 1182 01:09:02,346 --> 01:09:03,848 No kidding. 1183 01:09:04,223 --> 01:09:08,269 Dow Corning is only one of dozens of companies making these things, 1184 01:09:08,769 --> 01:09:10,646 and they all sent reports. 1185 01:09:11,647 --> 01:09:13,524 At least they complied. 1186 01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:15,651 Can I help you? 1187 01:09:17,695 --> 01:09:19,864 Oh, I wish you could, honey. 1188 01:09:23,367 --> 01:09:24,910 It's the thought that counts. 1189 01:09:24,994 --> 01:09:26,078 Yeah. 1190 01:09:30,082 --> 01:09:31,250 Kathleen. 1191 01:09:31,333 --> 01:09:32,209 Oh, hi, there. 1192 01:09:32,293 --> 01:09:35,129 Kathleen, hi. Good to see you. Let me take your bag for you. 1193 01:09:35,212 --> 01:09:38,924 -Thanks. Have you seen Sybil yet? -Ah, I did, I did. 1194 01:09:39,008 --> 01:09:42,344 She got on an elevator followed by two bellhops and a load of luggage. 1195 01:09:43,637 --> 01:09:44,763 So, how's it going for you? 1196 01:09:44,847 --> 01:09:46,599 Well, I'm starting to understand the plight 1197 01:09:46,682 --> 01:09:49,643 of an overburdened government employee, you have my condolences. 1198 01:09:50,561 --> 01:09:52,438 Actually, I didn't expect to see you here. 1199 01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:55,649 Well, I'm... I'm not here officially. Let's, um... 1200 01:09:56,025 --> 01:09:57,860 Let's move out of the traffic here. 1201 01:09:58,903 --> 01:10:00,446 I don't understand how these companies, 1202 01:10:00,529 --> 01:10:03,365 especially the big ones like Dow, keep track of their own paperwork. 1203 01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:05,117 They don't. 1204 01:10:13,626 --> 01:10:15,169 This is marked confidential. 1205 01:10:15,878 --> 01:10:17,463 You didn't get it from me. 1206 01:10:31,101 --> 01:10:32,937 I have to talk to you, but not here. 1207 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,439 -Hello to you, too. -Come on. 1208 01:10:39,193 --> 01:10:41,153 What's gotten into you? 1209 01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:43,864 -Perfect. -What? 1210 01:10:48,077 --> 01:10:49,870 And you thought I was paranoid. 1211 01:10:49,954 --> 01:10:51,538 Louis gave me this. 1212 01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:54,541 "Dow Corning's strategy notes." 1213 01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:56,919 -Good show. -Keep reading. 1214 01:10:57,586 --> 01:11:00,923 An enemies list. I thought this went out with Nixon. 1215 01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:03,634 Oh, my God. 1216 01:11:03,842 --> 01:11:05,344 Oh, this is great. 1217 01:11:05,427 --> 01:11:06,929 Great? Are you insane? 1218 01:11:07,012 --> 01:11:08,555 No, I am flattered. 1219 01:11:08,639 --> 01:11:12,768 I love this. Dow Corning considers us enemies. I think I'll frame this. 1220 01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:15,229 Doesn't this make you just a little bit nervous? 1221 01:11:15,312 --> 01:11:17,856 No, of course not. Well, okay, a little bit. 1222 01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:19,984 But this is it. This is what we've been waiting for. 1223 01:11:20,067 --> 01:11:21,902 We've got them, we've really got them going. 1224 01:11:22,069 --> 01:11:23,821 Oh, I can't wait to see their faces 1225 01:11:23,904 --> 01:11:26,240 when they have to pull those implants off the market. 1226 01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,246 Lot of people here, don't you think? 1227 01:11:32,329 --> 01:11:34,415 I hear they flew in over 400 women. 1228 01:11:34,498 --> 01:11:35,457 Who? 1229 01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:38,669 The Plastic Surgeons Association. I'm from Dallas. 1230 01:11:39,128 --> 01:11:40,921 I'm... I'm from Beverly Hills. 1231 01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:42,715 I'll see you inside, Sybil. 1232 01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:44,425 Excuse me. 1233 01:11:44,925 --> 01:11:47,177 You are Sybil Goldrich, aren't you? 1234 01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:48,387 Yes, I am. 1235 01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:50,014 I was hoping to run into you. 1236 01:11:50,097 --> 01:11:51,890 Do you know you've been scaring the hell out of women? 1237 01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:54,059 I know that I've been giving women information 1238 01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:55,769 they're not getting anywhere else. 1239 01:11:55,853 --> 01:11:57,146 Here, you listen to me, 1240 01:11:57,229 --> 01:12:00,649 I had cancer, and after all the surgery and the chemo, 1241 01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:03,068 getting implants was the one good thing that happened to me. 1242 01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:06,530 I can look at myself in the mirror and not see a cancer victim staring back. 1243 01:12:06,613 --> 01:12:08,449 Other women should have the same opportunity. 1244 01:12:08,532 --> 01:12:11,035 Absolutely they should, as long as the implants are safe. 1245 01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:13,537 They are safe. Do you see any one of us complaining? 1246 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:14,747 Well, good for you, 1247 01:12:14,830 --> 01:12:16,665 but there are a lot of women, myself included, 1248 01:12:16,749 --> 01:12:18,292 for whom it was a complete disaster. 1249 01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:20,419 Do you know that silicone could be bleeding into your body? 1250 01:12:20,502 --> 01:12:23,088 Do you know that your implants can become hardened and infected? 1251 01:12:23,297 --> 01:12:24,673 What are we supposed to do? 1252 01:12:24,757 --> 01:12:26,425 Live with flat chests and mastectomy scars? 1253 01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:28,594 No, but there are other safer alternatives. 1254 01:12:28,677 --> 01:12:31,347 Um, flap reconstruction, for one. I've had it. 1255 01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:32,723 At $35,000? 1256 01:12:32,806 --> 01:12:34,725 Do you think everyone lives in Beverly Hills? 1257 01:12:34,808 --> 01:12:38,604 No. There are other alternatives, saline, for example. 1258 01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:40,356 Oh, they'd flatten out. 1259 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,316 You don't speak for me, Sybil. 1260 01:12:42,483 --> 01:12:44,860 And you don't speak for the majority of women who have implants. 1261 01:12:44,943 --> 01:12:46,195 We are thrilled. 1262 01:12:46,278 --> 01:12:48,405 -Excuse me. Sybil, we have to go. - All right. 1263 01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:50,532 No, wait, wait, wait a minute. 1264 01:12:50,699 --> 01:12:54,870 Do you realize that plastic surgeons make $450 million a year 1265 01:12:54,953 --> 01:12:56,663 on implants that are not approved? 1266 01:12:56,747 --> 01:12:58,457 This does not communicate to me 1267 01:12:58,540 --> 01:12:59,917 that they are protecting our health. 1268 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,335 They are protecting that bounty. 1269 01:13:01,418 --> 01:13:02,711 Sybil. 1270 01:13:03,587 --> 01:13:05,672 And it is the conclusion of this panel 1271 01:13:06,173 --> 01:13:08,467 that manufacturers at this time 1272 01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:11,345 have not proven that silicone breast implants are safe. 1273 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:14,807 However... Ladies and gentlemen... Please. 1274 01:13:18,143 --> 01:13:19,269 Thank you. 1275 01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:24,066 However, we feel the implants serve a public health need. 1276 01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:28,112 We're asking the FDA Commissioner to leave the implants on the market 1277 01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:30,072 while additional data is collected. 1278 01:13:32,991 --> 01:13:36,370 In the meantime, we urge physicians to explain to women 1279 01:13:36,453 --> 01:13:38,163 that safety concerns have not been solved. 1280 01:13:38,914 --> 01:13:41,041 Implants are not risk-free. 1281 01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:44,962 Women need to know this, so that they can give informed consent. 1282 01:13:48,757 --> 01:13:50,968 We had the manufacturers on the run. 1283 01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:52,970 Why did you let the panel back down? 1284 01:13:53,053 --> 01:13:54,847 Sybil, I'm not a voting member. 1285 01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:56,056 You should have spoken up more. 1286 01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:57,766 I spoke for informed consent, 1287 01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:59,476 which is what we've been fighting for. 1288 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:00,811 Don't you get it? 1289 01:14:00,936 --> 01:14:04,273 The FDA is urging physicians to tell women of the risks. 1290 01:14:04,356 --> 01:14:05,691 Nobody says they have to, by law. 1291 01:14:05,774 --> 01:14:07,651 This panel can't change the law! 1292 01:14:07,734 --> 01:14:10,654 No, but it could have recommended that the implants be taken off the market. 1293 01:14:10,737 --> 01:14:13,115 Instead, you let them off the hook and now we're right back where we started. 1294 01:14:13,198 --> 01:14:14,533 I think you're overreacting. 1295 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:16,410 Oh, Kathleen. 1296 01:14:16,493 --> 01:14:17,953 Did you see the women in the audience? 1297 01:14:18,036 --> 01:14:20,205 The ones who were flown in to lobby for implants. 1298 01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:21,832 Yes, Sybil, I did. 1299 01:14:21,957 --> 01:14:24,126 And those women have a right to have implants 1300 01:14:24,209 --> 01:14:25,794 as long as they know the risks. 1301 01:14:25,878 --> 01:14:27,171 But they don't. 1302 01:14:27,421 --> 01:14:28,922 That's the point! 1303 01:14:30,507 --> 01:14:32,050 These companies are playing politics 1304 01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:35,304 in order to keep from exposing everything that they know. 1305 01:14:35,929 --> 01:14:38,682 The only person on this planet who seems to grasp this 1306 01:14:38,765 --> 01:14:39,892 is Joshua Norton, 1307 01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:41,643 and he's the only one who's managed to dig deep enough. 1308 01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:43,395 Maybe you should be working with him. 1309 01:14:43,645 --> 01:14:44,938 Oh, maybe I should. 1310 01:14:46,940 --> 01:14:48,484 Let me ask you something. 1311 01:14:49,526 --> 01:14:52,821 If your implants had worked, whose side would you be on right now? 1312 01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:55,199 I'd still want to know the risks. 1313 01:14:59,161 --> 01:15:00,329 Now where? 1314 01:15:00,412 --> 01:15:01,455 McClennon's office. 1315 01:15:01,705 --> 01:15:03,749 Before we leave, I'd like to see if there's any way 1316 01:15:03,832 --> 01:15:06,251 to undo some of the damage that was done here today. 1317 01:15:14,259 --> 01:15:15,719 Moving to better digs? 1318 01:15:15,802 --> 01:15:18,805 Sybil, Kathleen, hi. I'm glad you stopped by. 1319 01:15:19,598 --> 01:15:22,142 Um, this will be better coming from me. 1320 01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:26,813 Some of my colleagues feel that I've allowed myself 1321 01:15:26,897 --> 01:15:28,815 to get too close to Command Trust, 1322 01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:32,152 and, um, so I'm being transferred. 1323 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:37,908 Effective immediately. 1324 01:15:55,842 --> 01:15:59,721 -Kathleen, welcome to California. -Thank you, Jimmy. 1325 01:15:59,805 --> 01:16:01,306 It's so good to finally meet you in person. 1326 01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:02,683 You, too. 1327 01:16:03,725 --> 01:16:05,102 I'll take that. 1328 01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:08,063 Thank you. 1329 01:16:08,146 --> 01:16:09,565 Come on in. 1330 01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:21,493 Your house is gorgeous. 1331 01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:22,744 Thank you. 1332 01:16:23,453 --> 01:16:25,831 Sybil should be back in a few minutes. 1333 01:16:26,873 --> 01:16:28,750 I hear Washington was rough this time. 1334 01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,753 Oh, we were almost down for the count. 1335 01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:34,089 Never seen Sybil so angry. 1336 01:16:34,464 --> 01:16:36,592 Good thing that doesn't happen very often. 1337 01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:42,055 Sybil was really happy you decided to change your mind and come out here. 1338 01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:46,059 Meeting Joshua Norton is important, so I wanted to be here. 1339 01:16:47,728 --> 01:16:49,438 Excuse me. Girls! 1340 01:16:49,688 --> 01:16:51,023 Girls! 1341 01:16:51,106 --> 01:16:52,649 Coming. 1342 01:16:54,818 --> 01:16:56,028 -Hi. - Hi. 1343 01:16:56,111 --> 01:16:57,696 Girls, this is Kathleen Anneken. 1344 01:16:57,779 --> 01:16:58,864 I'm Xena. 1345 01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:00,699 Your mom talks about you all the time. 1346 01:17:00,782 --> 01:17:02,075 Oh, that's scary. 1347 01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:07,080 Hi! Turn on the TV, quick. Celia called me on the car phone. 1348 01:17:07,164 --> 01:17:08,790 Oh, I'm so glad you're here. 1349 01:17:08,874 --> 01:17:10,000 -Me, too. -Come on. 1350 01:17:12,919 --> 01:17:15,130 Joan Brouchet sued Dow Corning 1351 01:17:15,213 --> 01:17:17,090 claiming her implants ruptured, 1352 01:17:17,174 --> 01:17:19,551 leaving her with painful medical problems. 1353 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,138 The jury awarded her $7.3 million. 1354 01:17:23,805 --> 01:17:27,684 Dow Corning's attorney Vincent Koch called the jury's verdict outrageous. 1355 01:17:27,768 --> 01:17:29,227 Oh, look, there's Koch. 1356 01:17:29,603 --> 01:17:33,732 Mrs. Brouchet's attorney, Joshua Norton, disagrees. 1357 01:17:33,815 --> 01:17:36,068 The jury has sent Dow Corning a message, 1358 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,154 "You cannot sacrifice the health of women to enhance your balance sheet." 1359 01:17:39,237 --> 01:17:40,947 -Excuse us. - Are you satisfied with that? 1360 01:17:41,031 --> 01:17:42,407 Yes, we are. Thank you very much. 1361 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,746 Norton used Dow Corning's own documents to discredit the company's case. 1362 01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:50,415 Boy, would I like to get a hold of those documents. 1363 01:17:53,502 --> 01:17:55,003 Do you ever eat sitting down? 1364 01:17:55,087 --> 01:17:56,797 You know what they say, "You snooze, you lose." 1365 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,882 I thought I would see you yesterday. What happened? 1366 01:17:58,965 --> 01:18:01,593 The verdict came out at what time, 4:00? 1367 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:02,844 I know. 1368 01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:05,389 I expected to see Sybil camped outside my office door. 1369 01:18:05,472 --> 01:18:06,723 Very funny. 1370 01:18:06,807 --> 01:18:09,017 If the FDA Commissioner saw those documents, 1371 01:18:09,101 --> 01:18:10,977 he may pull the plug on implants once and for all. 1372 01:18:11,061 --> 01:18:12,771 You know I'm bound by a court order. 1373 01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:15,065 But just think about the women whose lives would be changed. 1374 01:18:15,148 --> 01:18:18,026 Sybil, you really want to see me in prison? 1375 01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:20,654 'Cause that's where I'll be if the judge were to find me in contempt. 1376 01:18:20,737 --> 01:18:22,948 Not to mention, putting my license on the line. 1377 01:18:23,031 --> 01:18:24,825 This isn't just about you. 1378 01:18:24,908 --> 01:18:26,785 And this isn't just your fight, Sybil. 1379 01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,955 I've worked for years on these cases. Don't tell me I don't care. 1380 01:18:31,456 --> 01:18:33,458 The FDA knows how I won those cases. 1381 01:18:33,542 --> 01:18:35,001 Now why aren't they asking the tough questions, 1382 01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:37,629 with all these hearings you're going to all the time? 1383 01:18:38,004 --> 01:18:39,881 What should we do now? 1384 01:18:40,215 --> 01:18:42,926 Well, if I were you, I'd think about filing a class action suit. 1385 01:18:43,009 --> 01:18:44,845 Oh, so the lawyers make lots of money 1386 01:18:44,928 --> 01:18:46,388 after about a zillion years of litigation. 1387 01:18:46,471 --> 01:18:48,932 One way to go. Who knows? 1388 01:18:49,391 --> 01:18:51,059 Shake enough people up, 1389 01:18:51,184 --> 01:18:53,854 maybe somebody on the inside will pass you the information. 1390 01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:58,817 The real truth, it takes all of us going at it from all the angles. 1391 01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:02,529 And I know you don't want to hear this, but it takes time. 1392 01:19:02,779 --> 01:19:04,322 I got to go. 1393 01:19:08,869 --> 01:19:10,454 This is my son Brad. 1394 01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:12,414 Oh, he's cute. 1395 01:19:12,497 --> 01:19:14,124 Yeah. Next time bring him out. 1396 01:19:14,207 --> 01:19:16,293 Maybe we should file a class action suit. 1397 01:19:16,418 --> 01:19:17,544 What do you think, Jim? 1398 01:19:17,627 --> 01:19:19,504 Have you noticed my wife has a one-track mind? 1399 01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:21,089 -No, does she? -Mmm-hmm. 1400 01:19:22,632 --> 01:19:24,050 I like this. 1401 01:19:24,134 --> 01:19:25,594 You didn't finish your joke. 1402 01:19:27,471 --> 01:19:28,680 Hello. 1403 01:19:28,764 --> 01:19:31,391 I'm looking for Command Trust. Is this Sybil Goldrich? 1404 01:19:31,558 --> 01:19:33,769 Yes, it is. Who is this? 1405 01:19:33,852 --> 01:19:37,147 I worked for the Razon Corporation. Do you know what that is? 1406 01:19:40,817 --> 01:19:44,905 Ah, well, among other things, Razon manufactures implants. 1407 01:19:45,864 --> 01:19:47,157 Is there... 1408 01:19:47,991 --> 01:19:49,576 Something that I can do for you? 1409 01:19:49,868 --> 01:19:51,328 I don't want to talk on the phone. 1410 01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:54,539 Can you meet me somewhere? Tomorrow? 1411 01:19:55,457 --> 01:19:57,042 I don't like this. 1412 01:19:57,459 --> 01:19:59,503 It is a little cloak-and-dagger. 1413 01:19:59,586 --> 01:20:00,962 We're just going to talk. 1414 01:20:01,046 --> 01:20:03,673 Make sure you're both there at all times. 1415 01:20:03,757 --> 01:20:06,927 And meet publicly, preferably in front of a police station. 1416 01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:08,720 Now who's paranoid? 1417 01:20:08,804 --> 01:20:10,972 This guy could be a real nutcase. 1418 01:20:11,056 --> 01:20:13,308 Jimmy, he's fine. He's just a little nervous. 1419 01:20:14,309 --> 01:20:16,728 Look, I got to go. Will you call me as soon... 1420 01:20:17,103 --> 01:20:18,730 ...as you get home, immediately? 1421 01:20:31,201 --> 01:20:33,829 Did he say what he'd be wearing or what he looked like? 1422 01:20:33,912 --> 01:20:35,372 Tall, light hair, light eyes. 1423 01:20:35,455 --> 01:20:36,957 Well, that narrows it down. 1424 01:20:43,129 --> 01:20:44,506 Mr. Ivey? 1425 01:20:45,966 --> 01:20:48,885 Sybil Goldrich. This is Kathleen Anneken. 1426 01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:50,679 -Hi. -Nice to meet you. 1427 01:20:51,805 --> 01:20:53,807 I'm... I'm nervous about this. 1428 01:20:53,890 --> 01:20:55,225 You should've seen my husband. 1429 01:20:56,935 --> 01:20:58,520 What did you do for Razon? 1430 01:20:58,603 --> 01:21:00,021 Uh, consumer affairs. 1431 01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:03,191 I'd handle calls from women whose implants had ruptured. 1432 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,694 These were women who couldn't afford replacements, 1433 01:21:05,777 --> 01:21:07,237 so surgeons would have them call us, 1434 01:21:07,904 --> 01:21:09,489 to see if the company would do something. 1435 01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:11,116 And did it? 1436 01:21:11,491 --> 01:21:13,952 We were told to say we'd never had any complaints before, 1437 01:21:14,619 --> 01:21:16,121 which is a lie. 1438 01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:20,000 Then the company would agree to replace the implants, 1439 01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,919 as long as the women signed releases protecting us from lawsuits. 1440 01:21:23,587 --> 01:21:24,671 And they signed? 1441 01:21:24,963 --> 01:21:26,047 Yes. 1442 01:21:26,798 --> 01:21:28,466 I didn't want to make a fuss, but... 1443 01:21:28,842 --> 01:21:30,176 After a while, I just felt too bad 1444 01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:33,388 about what the company was making me say to these women, so I quit. 1445 01:21:33,805 --> 01:21:35,140 Mr. Ivey, with your help, 1446 01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:38,935 we could tell your story to our 15,000 women on our mailing list. 1447 01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:43,940 Come on, Dave. Make a little fuss. 1448 01:21:48,737 --> 01:21:50,530 Command Trust Network. 1449 01:21:50,822 --> 01:21:52,032 Sybil? 1450 01:21:52,365 --> 01:21:54,492 Yeah, I'm writing Dave's story right now. 1451 01:21:56,036 --> 01:21:57,287 Where? 1452 01:21:58,246 --> 01:22:00,373 CNN? Hold on, let me turn it on. 1453 01:22:00,457 --> 01:22:04,002 ...about the implants that amplifies our concerns about their safety. 1454 01:22:04,586 --> 01:22:07,672 Therefore I'm asking physicians to cease using gel implants. 1455 01:22:08,131 --> 01:22:09,633 -As physicians... -Yes! 1456 01:22:09,716 --> 01:22:12,218 ...our first obligation is to do no harm. 1457 01:22:12,552 --> 01:22:14,429 I'm also asking manufacturers 1458 01:22:14,512 --> 01:22:17,307 to stop distributing these products during this period. 1459 01:22:17,849 --> 01:22:19,100 Did you hear that? 1460 01:22:19,184 --> 01:22:21,686 Mmm-hmm. Do you think Joshua Norton gave him those papers? 1461 01:22:22,062 --> 01:22:23,188 I don't know. 1462 01:22:23,271 --> 01:22:24,814 We still do not know how often the implants leak... 1463 01:22:31,154 --> 01:22:32,447 -Thanks for that. -You're welcome. 1464 01:22:32,530 --> 01:22:34,282 -See you tomorrow. -Any time. 1465 01:22:38,536 --> 01:22:41,247 You turned those documents over to the FDA Commissioner. 1466 01:22:41,331 --> 01:22:42,457 Did he say that? 1467 01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:44,709 No, but how else could he have them? 1468 01:22:44,793 --> 01:22:46,169 You got me. 1469 01:22:46,461 --> 01:22:48,171 You may not hold lawyers in high regard, Sybil, 1470 01:22:48,254 --> 01:22:50,298 but some of us actually do believe in obeying the law. 1471 01:22:50,382 --> 01:22:53,635 That's right, and I do hold some lawyers in high regard, like you. 1472 01:22:54,427 --> 01:22:56,388 When will the documents be made public? 1473 01:22:56,471 --> 01:22:58,056 My estimation, a couple of weeks. 1474 01:22:58,515 --> 01:23:00,100 Wish I didn't have to wait. 1475 01:23:00,308 --> 01:23:03,144 You are one persistent woman. 1476 01:23:05,021 --> 01:23:06,106 Okay. 1477 01:23:07,232 --> 01:23:09,526 The documents are letters from plastic surgeons, 1478 01:23:09,901 --> 01:23:12,028 writing to Dow, complaining about 1479 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,280 implant ruptures, leaks and so on. 1480 01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:16,658 There were memos from Dow's own scientists, 1481 01:23:16,741 --> 01:23:18,660 pleading with the company to conduct safety studies. 1482 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:21,413 Let me guess, Dow Corning stonewalled? 1483 01:23:21,496 --> 01:23:23,540 Pretty much. They put off the safety studies, 1484 01:23:23,623 --> 01:23:25,500 and the studies they did conduct were ludicrous. 1485 01:23:25,583 --> 01:23:27,419 They put mini implants into dogs, 1486 01:23:27,794 --> 01:23:29,713 then published an article saying there was no problem. 1487 01:23:30,088 --> 01:23:32,132 Dogs? We don't even rate primates. 1488 01:23:32,215 --> 01:23:33,341 Guess not. 1489 01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:35,552 But get this, within a year, one of the dogs died, 1490 01:23:35,969 --> 01:23:37,679 and the other three were in bad shape. 1491 01:23:38,722 --> 01:23:40,974 What's going to happen when this information hits the streets? 1492 01:23:41,057 --> 01:23:42,517 Oh, I don't think there's any question. 1493 01:23:42,726 --> 01:23:44,144 Dow will be buried in litigation. 1494 01:23:44,227 --> 01:23:46,104 And sure, class action suit will be filed. 1495 01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:48,398 But will any of the women who deserve the compensation 1496 01:23:48,481 --> 01:23:49,691 see the money? 1497 01:23:50,859 --> 01:23:53,862 Sybil, if you have anything to say about it, and I'm sure you will, 1498 01:23:54,487 --> 01:23:56,448 those women will be fine. 1499 01:23:58,158 --> 01:23:59,826 -Good luck. -Thank you. 1500 01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:15,216 Just remember, we're here to find out who's eligible 1501 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,136 for the class action lawsuit, that's all, okay? 1502 01:24:18,219 --> 01:24:20,680 Act like I'm going to start a riot or something, why don't you? 1503 01:24:23,516 --> 01:24:25,185 Your Honor, many of the plaintiffs, 1504 01:24:25,268 --> 01:24:27,353 especially those in financial difficulty, 1505 01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:29,689 turned to the manufacturer for help. 1506 01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:32,025 And they were adequately compensated 1507 01:24:32,108 --> 01:24:33,401 by the manufacturers, Your Honor. 1508 01:24:33,485 --> 01:24:35,111 There's no need to include them in this suit. 1509 01:24:35,737 --> 01:24:39,240 Mr. Koch, compensation alone is not going to exclude these women 1510 01:24:39,324 --> 01:24:41,659 from a class action suit, you should know that. 1511 01:24:43,203 --> 01:24:44,204 Ms. Fleming, 1512 01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:48,458 what would it cost a woman to remove and replace ruptured implants? 1513 01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:50,335 Um... Do we have these figures? 1514 01:24:52,212 --> 01:24:53,213 No. 1515 01:24:53,713 --> 01:24:56,508 Your Honor, I don't have the exact figure in front of me at the moment. 1516 01:24:56,591 --> 01:24:59,969 If I may, Your Honor, about $4,000. 1517 01:25:00,178 --> 01:25:01,304 No way. 1518 01:25:01,387 --> 01:25:03,473 -Sybil, give the lawyers a chance. -All right, all right. 1519 01:25:03,556 --> 01:25:08,186 Fine. If women received $4,000 or less from the manufacturers, 1520 01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:09,813 we'll say they can participate in the settlement. 1521 01:25:09,896 --> 01:25:13,108 If they received more than the ceiling amount, they are excluded. 1522 01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:14,943 Excuse me, Your Honor. 1523 01:25:16,027 --> 01:25:17,278 And who are you? 1524 01:25:17,362 --> 01:25:19,197 Sybil Goldrich, Command Trust. 1525 01:25:19,531 --> 01:25:23,326 Uh, the standard fee for implant removal is $5,000, 1526 01:25:23,493 --> 01:25:26,079 but that is before anesthesia and additional care. 1527 01:25:26,162 --> 01:25:29,457 So, the ceiling, in my opinion, should be at least $10,000. 1528 01:25:29,541 --> 01:25:31,251 Your Honor, please. 1529 01:25:31,334 --> 01:25:34,796 Raising the ceiling is going to add many more women to the settlement. 1530 01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:38,216 No, no, no. That's not my concern at this point. 1531 01:25:39,134 --> 01:25:41,928 If Ms. Goldrich is correct in her figures, 1532 01:25:42,011 --> 01:25:44,639 and incidentally, it would behoove plaintiff's attorneys 1533 01:25:44,722 --> 01:25:46,182 to confirm these numbers, 1534 01:25:46,724 --> 01:25:48,893 then $10,000 it will be. 1535 01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:58,778 There's an advisory committee for the class action suit, right? 1536 01:25:58,862 --> 01:26:00,864 To help determine the monetary award. 1537 01:26:01,072 --> 01:26:02,365 We want to be on it. 1538 01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:04,617 No, it's limited to attorneys. 1539 01:26:04,701 --> 01:26:06,953 None of you knew the price of implant surgery. 1540 01:26:07,036 --> 01:26:09,539 I mean, where would we be if Sybil hadn't spoken up? 1541 01:26:09,664 --> 01:26:13,001 Okay. But do me a favor, will you? 1542 01:26:13,084 --> 01:26:15,795 The next time you sit in on a proceeding, just pass me a note. 1543 01:26:15,879 --> 01:26:17,505 Don't go off like a loose cannon. 1544 01:26:17,589 --> 01:26:19,674 Well, I don't have any problem with that. 1545 01:26:20,341 --> 01:26:21,509 Okay. 1546 01:26:21,593 --> 01:26:24,888 And if you believe that, I've got some nice swampland in Florida. 1547 01:26:33,313 --> 01:26:35,940 Oh, God, I love New York! 1548 01:26:36,524 --> 01:26:39,777 Even the street vendors are, I don't know, special. 1549 01:26:41,154 --> 01:26:43,281 -Do you have 50 cents? -Allow me. 1550 01:26:45,158 --> 01:26:46,743 Is this your idea of a payoff? 1551 01:26:46,826 --> 01:26:48,620 I'll have a regular coffee, please. 1552 01:26:48,703 --> 01:26:53,291 Well, you ladies won a minor skirmish today in a long, very long war. 1553 01:26:53,458 --> 01:26:55,418 A war you seem to be losing. 1554 01:26:55,501 --> 01:26:58,171 If you count the courts, the press, public opinion, 1555 01:26:58,254 --> 01:27:00,590 and, oh, yes, the scientific community. 1556 01:27:01,007 --> 01:27:02,675 It's a funny thing about public opinion. 1557 01:27:02,759 --> 01:27:06,054 It can turn on a dime, so can the press. You can ask any politician. 1558 01:27:06,137 --> 01:27:09,557 Courts, well, they reverse their opinions every day. Thank you. 1559 01:27:10,767 --> 01:27:13,311 And as for the so-called scientific community, 1560 01:27:13,561 --> 01:27:16,064 hell, we have a staff full of scientists. 1561 01:27:16,147 --> 01:27:17,523 What's that supposed to mean? 1562 01:27:18,066 --> 01:27:22,570 It means that that dollar is the only money you're ever going to see from Dow. 1563 01:27:23,321 --> 01:27:25,073 Have a nice day. 1564 01:27:27,533 --> 01:27:28,952 What are you thinking? 1565 01:27:29,869 --> 01:27:31,246 Nothing that's legal. 1566 01:27:39,504 --> 01:27:42,340 You know, the problem with this whole thing is that 1567 01:27:42,423 --> 01:27:45,134 women have been kept from hearing the truth about implants, 1568 01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:48,137 and here we are, barred from hearing the judge's decision first-hand. 1569 01:27:48,221 --> 01:27:50,306 I know. It's unfair. 1570 01:27:50,556 --> 01:27:52,392 I'm hungry. You hungry? 1571 01:27:52,475 --> 01:27:54,644 Lord, no. I am too keyed up to eat. 1572 01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:56,854 I could go for a chopped salad. 1573 01:27:57,063 --> 01:27:59,607 -With dressing on the side? 1574 01:28:02,819 --> 01:28:04,362 Do you think 1575 01:28:05,488 --> 01:28:09,200 if we met under different circumstances, we'd still be friends? 1576 01:28:10,618 --> 01:28:11,911 I don't know. 1577 01:28:13,454 --> 01:28:15,498 I do know that if I had to do it all over again, 1578 01:28:15,581 --> 01:28:17,834 it's the one thing that I would never change. 1579 01:28:19,502 --> 01:28:20,586 Me either. 1580 01:28:24,799 --> 01:28:26,884 -Sybil Goldrich? -Yes. 1581 01:28:26,968 --> 01:28:28,261 I'm Anne Connor. 1582 01:28:28,928 --> 01:28:31,681 -Have we met? - Not officially. 1583 01:28:32,807 --> 01:28:35,018 I'm the one who confronted you at the FDA hearing. 1584 01:28:35,476 --> 01:28:37,228 The one who said, "You don't speak for me." 1585 01:28:38,646 --> 01:28:40,815 Yes, Anne, how could I forget you? 1586 01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:43,109 This is Kathleen Anneken. 1587 01:28:43,192 --> 01:28:44,902 -How do you do? -Hello. 1588 01:28:45,486 --> 01:28:47,405 So, what brings you to New York? 1589 01:28:47,488 --> 01:28:48,865 The class action suit. 1590 01:28:49,615 --> 01:28:51,868 And I was hoping for a chance to apologize to you. 1591 01:28:54,078 --> 01:28:56,873 About a year after we met, one of my implants ruptured. 1592 01:28:58,333 --> 01:29:00,918 So I guess you really do speak for me after all. 1593 01:29:01,878 --> 01:29:03,463 Anyway, I'm sorry. 1594 01:29:03,546 --> 01:29:05,048 Oh, so am I. 1595 01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:07,216 I really am. I'm very sorry, Anne. 1596 01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:08,593 Thank you. 1597 01:29:10,261 --> 01:29:11,763 -We did it. -What? 1598 01:29:11,846 --> 01:29:13,139 We got an agreement. 1599 01:29:13,931 --> 01:29:17,352 For breast implant victims, $4.2 billion. 1600 01:29:18,686 --> 01:29:22,607 Yeah, Dow Corning's got to pay about half of it, about $2 billion. 1601 01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:26,319 Looks to be the largest class action settlement in history. 1602 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:28,363 Yeah. 1603 01:29:35,495 --> 01:29:38,706 There have been many changes since I last testified here. 1604 01:29:39,499 --> 01:29:43,878 Many of you are critical of the FDA's moratorium on silicone implants. 1605 01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:47,465 But I speak to you as a cancer patient. 1606 01:29:48,132 --> 01:29:50,009 I survived my cancer, 1607 01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:51,886 but I have been continually plagued 1608 01:29:51,969 --> 01:29:54,639 with problems arising from the silicone implants 1609 01:29:54,722 --> 01:29:56,808 I used for my breast reconstruction. 1610 01:29:57,391 --> 01:30:01,145 My medical records describe me as an implant failure. 1611 01:30:01,979 --> 01:30:07,110 I do not accept that description. The implants failed me. 1612 01:30:08,861 --> 01:30:13,241 Thirty years after the release of breast implants on the market, 1613 01:30:13,324 --> 01:30:17,745 there are still no valid scientific studies to prove the product's safe. 1614 01:30:18,704 --> 01:30:22,291 Not proven unsafe, not proven ineffective, 1615 01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:25,461 is not the standard, never was the standard, 1616 01:30:25,545 --> 01:30:27,171 should never be the standard. 1617 01:30:27,505 --> 01:30:32,510 The rule to be proven safe must never be altered. 1618 01:30:33,511 --> 01:30:37,306 We are, all of us, entitled to that safeguard. 1619 01:30:38,432 --> 01:30:39,642 Thank you. 117816

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