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I hope the hotel has a wire service.
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-Honey.
-What?
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Honey, of the two of us,
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I'm supposed to be the workaholic.
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Well, this is my last fundraiser as Chair.
I want it to be perfect.
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Isn't Celia taking over till we get home?
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Celia's a great foot soldier, but I'm--
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But you're the General.
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Yes.
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But, um...
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Do you have the guts to go topless?
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I have to say
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that you are
the most beautiful General on the beach.
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Quite a compliment
from somebody who sees 40 breasts a day.
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Aw.
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Ah! I can't believe I'm doing this.
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Well, Sybil.
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-Ah!
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If anyone ever sees that picture...
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No way. No way. Not on your life.
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That desk job's taking your edge.
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Oh, yeah? Then how come
I'm the one with your hat, huh?
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Come on, baby.
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- Hey, hey.
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Do I have to send you guys
to your room without supper?
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You're going to the gym now?
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Yeah, I want to get
in a few practice shots before the game.
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You guys coming?
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Hey, you know it, wouldn't miss it.
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All right, see you.
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Hey.
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That other guard might be bigger,
but you're smarter, and that counts.
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Don't forget that.
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I won't, Mom, thanks.
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You're right onschedule for your exam.
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I'm going tobring you right up into the machine here.
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Now we're just going to do your side view.
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Just need to raise your
arm up on the machine.
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Great tan, by the way.
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Oh, thank you. Uh...
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I was vacationing in
Sicily with my husband.
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You might know him,
Dr. Goldrich in Obstetrics.
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No, afraid not.
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Hold your breath.
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And breathe.
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Okay, that's it.
We're all finished. That was the last one.
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Oh, thank you.
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- You see those areas?
- Yes.
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Those areas show microcalcifications.
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I'd like to schedule a biopsy.
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What if it's cancer?
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Why don't we wait for the results?
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I want to know everything now. Worst case.
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Okay, worst case,
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I'd recommend a bilateral mastectomy.
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It's the best way to make sure
the cancer's removed from your body.
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But please, don't expect the worst.
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Schedule the biopsy now.
I want to know what I'm up against here.
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"Breast implants have become
the trendiest cosmetic fix
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and as sought-after
as Chanel knockoffs and designer jeans."
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What's this doing on my desk?
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Um...
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Something that I've wanted to talk
to you about for a long time.
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-Yeah?
-Yeah.
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I'd think I'd like to do it.
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But why?
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Sweetheart, I...
I love you just the way you are.
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I know, I know. It's just...
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I feel like I look...
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Imbalanced.
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-Imbalanced?
-Yeah.
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You know...
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Flat on the top and round on the bottom.
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You don't look anything like that.
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You are a very beautiful woman.
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I tried on every
bathing suit in the store last season,
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and nothing could hide it.
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I really think that
you're being, uh, over...
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Overly critical here, sweetheart.
You know?
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I just wish that you liked yourself more.
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I like who I am.
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Just not what I look like.
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When my sister and I were kids,
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I was the only one
who used to play basketball with my dad.
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Guess I kind of became his boy by default.
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Boy, it's got to be expensive.
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You know,
our insurance doesn't cover, um...
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Unnecessary procedures
and operations and stuff like that.
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I know, I thought about that.
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-David?
-Hmm?
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-I wouldn't ask if it wasn't something...
-Yeah.
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I want it.
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And it's supposed to
be a simple operation.
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I just really wish
that you didn't feel like you needed it.
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But, you know, it's your body and...
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And if it'll make you happy, then...
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I guess I'll figure
something out.
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There we go.
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Dr. Hirschville,call the page operator.
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Dr. Hirschville, call the page operator.
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Amy, will you come on? We're already late.
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Dad's probably called up the Marines.
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Let go of me.
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I skipped lunch and I'm starving, okay?
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Please.
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You go, I'll be there in a second.
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They probably don't want food in there.
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You're so full of it.
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I hate hospitals.
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You know, I... I just hate
that Mom has to have, you know...
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How do you think Mom feels, Amy?
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You'll start to feel drowsy
in a couple of minutes. Don't fight it.
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When you wake up, it'll be all over.
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I'm trying to imagine waking up
and not having breasts.
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Sybil... They wouldn't do this procedure
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unless it was absolutely necessary.
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Bentley is a great surgeon.
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I know. I know.
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Jimmy, um...
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After this is over, I...
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I've been doing some
reading and I would...
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I would like to look into implants.
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Honey...
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I will not be able
to look at myself without breasts.
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Will you?
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Sybil...
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I love you.
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I will be very different.
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Your body, not you.
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And I don't care about anything
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except you getting well.
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Oh, there they are.
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Come here. Come here.
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I was about to call out the Marines.
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See?
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Come here. Come here. Come here.
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Uh-oh.
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This thing is starting to work.
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It's okay, honey.
It's okay. We're all here.
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Are you sure there'senough skin to work with? I...
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I talked to lots of surgeons.
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One of them even said to me
during the examination,
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"Boy, they stripped you bare."
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I can make you whole again.
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Oh.
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But first we've got to make sure
you're comfortable with the procedure.
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How long are the implants
supposed to last?
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According to the manufacturer, a lifetime.
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So they must be safe?
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I've performed
over 100 successful operations.
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The implants are filled with silicone.
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It's a man-made compound
of oxygen and silicon.
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Now, the best thing about
silicone is it's inert.
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It doesn't react to the body.
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I wish I knew someone
who'd done this. I...
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My nurse can give you
the number of one of my other patients.
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Call her.
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I will.
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I won't lie to you, Sybil.
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At first, it was painful,
but they have shots for that,
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and gradually, it fades.
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Some people thought I was crazy
for having unnecessary surgery, but...
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But after the cancer,
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I felt totally out of control.
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Choosing to have implants
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gave me control over my body again.
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Do you think that I could see them?
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Sure you can.
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Now?
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Oh, Rosemary, they're beautiful.
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Thanks.
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Uh, may I feel them?
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Be my guest.
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They are so soft.
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Mmm-hmm.
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Honey?
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Wow.
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You look great, sweetheart.
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I mean, not that you didn't before.
You looked fine before.
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But, my goodness.
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I know.
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Believe me, I'm happier about
this than I ever imagined.
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Now...
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The surgeon gave me
strict instructions to massage them,
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to keep scar tissue from forming.
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Did he?
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Well, I guess you're
going to need some help with that, huh?
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Oh, sweetheart.
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You know, I'd like
to be there when the bandages come off.
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How about I meet you
at Sutton's office tomorrow morning?
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How about a sneak peek, Doc?
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You're like Xena on her birthday.
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Nervous?
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-Nah.
- Right.
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Am I hurting you?
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No.
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But if you happen to have a spare bullet,
I could bite it.
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Sorry, fresh out.
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See anything you like, sailor?
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Yeah. You.
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I'll get it.
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Mom!
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Mom?
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Mommy, what's wrong? Are you okay?
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-Mommy.
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And they feel as hard as baseballs.
This can't be normal.
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Actually, it does happen.
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I'll have to do a capsulotomy.
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I don't like the sound of that.
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It's a way of breaking
through the scar tissue.
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Hang on to the table,
this is going to hurt.
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If he couldn't break the scar tissue,
and they're still hard...
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Now what?
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Surgery again.
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And now he says there's a new kind
of implant called a Meme.
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It's a foam covering that's supposed
to keep them from getting hard.
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Mmm-hmm.
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And what're you thinking?
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I'm thinking that it's maybe time
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to talk to another surgeon.
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Sutton is supposed to be the best.
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And nothing was supposed to go wrong.
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I just don't think
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another surgeon is the answer.
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Well, if you have any better ideas,
I would really like to hear them.
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I just want this to be the last operation.
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Come on, Mom, all net.
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Hey, that's all right, Ma.
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Even Magic has a bad game now and then.
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Yeah...
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I kind of have a bad season.
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I can't seem to shake this cold.
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Ah, there she is.
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I have pneumonia?
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It's not a personality flaw, Kathleen.
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I never get sick. How could this happen?
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You're a busy wife and mother.
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Don't be so hard on yourself, it'll pass.
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Dr. Frederickto OR 2. Dr. Frederick to OR 2.
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Is she okay?
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That took a lot longer than we thought.
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You of all people should know
these things take longer than expected.
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-She did just fine.
-Oh, good.
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These new implants
shouldn't give her any problems.
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Thank you.
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We need to check the infection.
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Let's see what Sutton has to say.
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Why do we need Sutton
to confirm the obvious?
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The fevers, the rashes...
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My body is reacting to the foam implants.
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They're going to have to be replaced.
Why not just say it?
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-Because I'm not a plastic surgeon.
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But if the implants have to be removed...
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Stop it.
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Perhaps we shouldn't put new ones in.
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Don't even mention it.
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Sybil, your body, anybody's body,
is bound to be exhausted
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after cancer surgery
and two implant operations.
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You don't have to keep
doing this to yourself.
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Jimmy, I don't want to
spend the rest of my life
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looking and feeling like a freak.
262
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You're not going to look like a freak,
not to me.
263
00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:13,425
That is not true, we both know that.
264
00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:15,010
Now, this is what I know.
265
00:18:16,386 --> 00:18:19,056
I love you and I don't want to lose you.
266
00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:21,975
I'm certainly
more concerned about your health
267
00:18:22,059 --> 00:18:24,061
than how you look in a damn swimsuit.
268
00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:28,482
I'll get in touch with Sutton,
269
00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:31,985
-decide what's best for you.
270
00:18:36,156 --> 00:18:37,366
Honey?
271
00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:40,744
What is it? Are you okay?
272
00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:42,830
Can't do it.
273
00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:47,459
I'm completely drained.
274
00:18:52,589 --> 00:18:55,425
This can't be pneumonia. It's been weeks.
275
00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:58,178
I got to call those doctors today.
276
00:18:58,262 --> 00:19:00,097
I want to find out
what's up with those tests.
277
00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:01,473
I did that.
278
00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:06,687
She can't find anything wrong.
Thinks it's stress.
279
00:19:07,646 --> 00:19:11,525
Which is doctor talk
for not taking you seriously.
280
00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:15,320
Let's get inside.
281
00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,781
Come on.
282
00:19:18,782 --> 00:19:21,743
David, what's happening to me?
283
00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:23,787
-Come on, sweetheart.
284
00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:26,415
Flap reconstruction?
Mom, you just had these Memes taken out
285
00:19:26,498 --> 00:19:28,333
and now you're talking
about another operation?
286
00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,210
Honey, we won't do it right away.
287
00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:31,628
It's something we're looking into.
288
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,130
Want to hear how it's done?
289
00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:34,256
No way.
290
00:19:34,882 --> 00:19:36,425
I've decided to be a doctor.
291
00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:38,051
Ah, this week.
292
00:19:38,135 --> 00:19:39,386
Girls.
293
00:19:39,469 --> 00:19:40,888
They take, um,
294
00:19:40,971 --> 00:19:43,724
tissue and muscle from
the stomach and funnel it under the skin.
295
00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:45,350
I'm out of here.
296
00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:51,231
They funnel it under
the skin to the chest,
297
00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:52,941
where it's formed into breast mounds.
298
00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,904
So that if it's made from my body,
I won't reject them.
299
00:19:57,237 --> 00:19:59,281
It's a... A new procedure.
300
00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:02,326
But from what I understand,
the patients have been pleased.
301
00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:03,911
I think you should check it out, Mom.
302
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,788
-It sounds really good.
-Thank you, sweetie.
303
00:20:07,456 --> 00:20:10,918
But I still want to know why I had
so much trouble with those implants.
304
00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:22,471
Jimmy.
305
00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:23,889
Shh!
306
00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:27,226
Sorry.
307
00:20:29,186 --> 00:20:31,063
Yeah?
308
00:20:31,146 --> 00:20:32,981
This is a Pittsburgh cardiologist
309
00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:36,610
writing about an implant patient
who had fevers and sweats just like me.
310
00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,070
Yeah.
311
00:20:39,196 --> 00:20:41,073
She had swollen joints.
312
00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:43,659
She had enlarged kidneys.
313
00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:46,954
But she recovered after
the implants were removed.
314
00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:50,207
Scroll down.
315
00:20:54,503 --> 00:20:56,380
Oh, it just refers to
the manufacturer's warning.
316
00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:59,216
Excuse me, the what?
317
00:20:59,967 --> 00:21:02,094
It would be included in the shipment box.
318
00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:03,762
Why didn't I see it?
319
00:21:03,845 --> 00:21:06,265
-Because nobody but you would read it.
-Stop.
320
00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:07,766
Seriously, I know where to get one.
321
00:21:07,849 --> 00:21:09,476
Ah, good. What did you find?
322
00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,311
Here, take a look at this.
323
00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,355
-What is it?
-Right there.
324
00:21:18,068 --> 00:21:22,114
"50% of this doctor's implants after
mastectomy had to be replaced."
325
00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:24,074
50%?
326
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:29,913
This is outrageous.
Jimmy, why wasn't I warned? I am appalled!
327
00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:31,206
Shh!
328
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:33,542
Well, I am.
329
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:36,712
Hi, Mom, what are you reading?
330
00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:39,673
The manufacturer's
warning that comes with the implants.
331
00:21:39,923 --> 00:21:41,425
If women knew--
332
00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:43,927
They don't. That's the problem.
333
00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:46,013
And you know what else?
If you think I had trouble,
334
00:21:46,096 --> 00:21:47,973
listen to what happened
to these other women.
335
00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:50,100
Autoimmune disease...
336
00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:51,977
Like scleroderma.
337
00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:54,855
Lupus, rheumatoid arthritis...
338
00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:58,734
Gosh, I cannot believe that there
are doctors who don't say anything.
339
00:21:58,817 --> 00:21:59,985
Me either.
340
00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:02,696
But I can say something, and I will.
341
00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:04,448
What are you going to do?
342
00:22:04,531 --> 00:22:07,784
One of the editors
of Ms. magazine is a friend of mine.
343
00:22:07,868 --> 00:22:10,871
I think that she would
like to hear about this.
344
00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,714
-Louis McClennon?
-He just left.
345
00:22:30,766 --> 00:22:32,392
Mr. McClennon?
346
00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:35,979
Somebody call me?
347
00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:37,481
Oh. Yes.
348
00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:41,151
Thank you.
349
00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:44,404
Are you the woman
who's writing about the Orphan Drug Bill?
350
00:22:44,488 --> 00:22:46,823
No, no, I'm Sybil Goldrich.
351
00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:49,743
I'm... I'm doing research
on an article about breast implants.
352
00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:54,289
They can cause terrible health problems.
I'm living proof.
353
00:22:54,372 --> 00:22:56,958
I'm not sure how the FDA can help.
354
00:22:57,292 --> 00:23:00,462
How can the FDA
approve a product with such serious risks?
355
00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:02,047
But we haven't.
356
00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:03,507
Excuse me?
357
00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,718
Do you have any idea how many drugs have
to be screened by us every year?
358
00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:10,347
No, but I bet they're not all available
to unsuspecting people like me.
359
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:11,431
Here's the problem.
360
00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:13,642
Breast implants aren't a food,
they're not a drug.
361
00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:18,355
Congress didn't even give us the power
to regulate them until '76.
362
00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:19,731
That's 15 years ago.
363
00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:22,025
And we're getting around to it.
364
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:23,527
Mr. McClennon,
365
00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:27,364
there are nearly one million women
walking around with these things.
366
00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:29,533
What are we supposed
to do in the meantime?
367
00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:30,742
It's a bureaucracy.
368
00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:33,328
It's very slow and I'm sorry about that,
369
00:23:33,411 --> 00:23:35,205
but there's really
nothing else you can do but wait.
370
00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,415
Well, that's where you're wrong.
371
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:44,923
If the article
were written by a surgeon...
372
00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:49,094
But for God sakes, Sybil Goldrich is
a Beverly Hills housewife.
373
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:53,056
Who's had severe health problems
after implant surgery like me.
374
00:23:53,682 --> 00:23:55,934
But she had cancer. You don't.
375
00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:58,395
What about the manufacturer's warning?
376
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:00,856
Lawyers make them
slap those warnings on there.
377
00:24:00,939 --> 00:24:03,650
-They don't mean anything.
-It means something to me.
378
00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,111
It says it can affect your immune system.
379
00:24:06,194 --> 00:24:07,904
I've had pneumonia twice,
380
00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:11,324
I'm always tired,
my joints ache, I trip all the time.
381
00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,160
Those symptoms could be anything.
382
00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:16,955
What does your family doctor say?
383
00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:18,832
She can't find anything wrong.
384
00:24:18,915 --> 00:24:21,668
Look, before I had implants,
385
00:24:21,751 --> 00:24:24,296
I ran six miles before breakfast.
386
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:27,340
Since the implants, I can barely
get out of bed in the morning.
387
00:24:27,424 --> 00:24:29,593
I want the implants taken out.
388
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,512
Kathleen, you're overreacting.
389
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:35,974
It's unnecessary surgery,
and I won't do it.
390
00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:40,687
Then I'll find someone who will.
391
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:45,483
Wait a minute.
392
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,836
Dr. Ness?
393
00:25:05,503 --> 00:25:07,672
He's the only
plastic surgeon I've never heard of.
394
00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:10,592
He's a psychiatrist.
395
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:16,306
Oh, great.
396
00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:19,643
You think I'm crazy.
397
00:25:25,482 --> 00:25:28,109
Sybil Goldrich, this is Dr. Daniel Shatz.
398
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:31,488
Dan is a member
of the university's pathology department.
399
00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:33,198
I read your article. Great job.
400
00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:34,616
Oh, thank you.
401
00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:39,412
All right, let me fill you in
on what's going on here.
402
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:43,291
I've come to LA to go
over Dan's research on breast implants
403
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,126
and the problems that they can cause.
404
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:48,797
In a couple of weeks,
the FDA is going to be holding hearings.
405
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,258
Dan is going to present
his findings to the panel.
406
00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:53,426
Findings which support
what you've experienced.
407
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:54,844
Oh, that's good to know.
408
00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:57,430
Now, Dan can represent
the scientific community,
409
00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:00,558
but we also need a woman with
personal experience, a woman like you.
410
00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:04,271
-And I know this is very short notice--
-I'll be there.
411
00:26:04,854 --> 00:26:06,189
-Why am I not surprised?
412
00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:08,900
-Welcome to the trenches.
- Thank you.
413
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,117
Hello.
414
00:26:18,576 --> 00:26:21,288
Kathleen Anneken? Kentucky?
415
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,082
I hope I'm not catching you at a bad time.
416
00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:26,918
No, not at all.What can I do for you?
417
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:28,837
Uh...
418
00:26:29,629 --> 00:26:33,550
I just wanted to thank you
for your article in the magazine.
419
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:38,138
Before I read it,
I thought I was going crazy.
420
00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:39,931
See, uh...
421
00:26:42,309 --> 00:26:44,936
I've had trouble with my implants, too.
422
00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:47,355
Oh, believe me, you're not going crazy.
423
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:49,024
How are you now?
424
00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:50,275
Not great.
425
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:51,609
But, uh...
426
00:26:52,569 --> 00:26:54,571
I am having one heck of a time
427
00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:58,408
trying to talk a surgeon
into removing these things.
428
00:26:58,783 --> 00:26:59,701
Yeah, I had trouble with that, too.
429
00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:02,996
But I bet you didn't have any trouble
finding someone to put them in.
430
00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:06,124
Oh, no, they were more than willing.
431
00:27:06,666 --> 00:27:08,710
-Hmm.
-You know how it is.
432
00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:10,754
-Infuriating.
-Yeah.
433
00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:12,213
Hmm.
434
00:27:13,089 --> 00:27:14,591
How are you doing?
435
00:27:16,426 --> 00:27:17,552
I'm fine.
436
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:21,973
I, um, have decided to try
flap reconstruction surgery.
437
00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:25,018
I'm almost finished, finally.
438
00:27:25,101 --> 00:27:26,603
Good for you.
439
00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:28,521
Gee, it's...
440
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:32,567
It's really great to talk to someone
who knows what this is like.
441
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,905
You know, the FDA is holding
hearings in Washington in two weeks
442
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,656
and they've asked me to speak.
443
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:41,993
I'll be back around the 10th.
Why don't you call me then?
444
00:27:42,577 --> 00:27:44,371
I'd... I'd like to hear all about it.
445
00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:47,207
Thank you.
446
00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:57,133
-Any messages for Sybil Goldrich?
- Sybil?
447
00:27:58,009 --> 00:27:59,594
I'm Kathleen Anneken.
448
00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:02,013
How did you--
449
00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:03,640
Your husband told me
where you'd be staying.
450
00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,559
-Did he?
-Would you, uh, like to have lunch?
451
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,439
I know my being here is a surprise.
452
00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,066
Believe me, it is to me, too.
453
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:14,984
I've never done anything so spontaneous.
454
00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:16,319
No?
455
00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:18,613
How do you like the hotel?
456
00:28:18,696 --> 00:28:21,032
Oh, I'm... I'm not staying here.
457
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,118
I'm staying at the Douglas,
near the airport.
458
00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:24,994
-Oh.
459
00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:29,165
Um, well, shall we order?
460
00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:33,586
I'm... I'm going to have a hamburger.
Think they're any good?
461
00:28:33,837 --> 00:28:35,088
I don't eat red meat.
462
00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:38,883
-Are you ready to order?
-Yes.
463
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:41,678
I'll have the chopped salad,
no egg, dressing on the side.
464
00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:43,555
And do you have
any sparkling water with low sodium?
465
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:44,848
I'll check. And you?
466
00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:48,184
The same.
467
00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,897
Oh.
468
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,568
I've never been here before.
Do you like Washington?
469
00:28:57,110 --> 00:29:00,613
I'm disappointed in the shopping.
It's not like New York.
470
00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,115
But it's a nice town.
471
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:06,077
Town. This is huge to me.
472
00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:09,789
Of course, you're coming from LA.
473
00:29:09,998 --> 00:29:12,917
I've never been that far west.
Maybe someday.
474
00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:20,300
You must think I'm crazy,
showing up like this.
475
00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:23,970
I... I didn't book my ticket
till the last minute.
476
00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:27,182
It really means a lot to me, being here.
477
00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:31,519
After lunch, I'm meeting
with Louis McClennon from the FDA.
478
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:32,896
You can come along, if you'd like.
479
00:29:32,979 --> 00:29:36,483
I sure will. What...
What time is the hearing tomorrow?
480
00:29:36,691 --> 00:29:37,692
3:00.
481
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,736
I want to try to meet
with a Congresswoman after that.
482
00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:42,739
You'll want to talk to her, too.
She's a cancer survivor like us.
483
00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:44,491
Oh...
484
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,701
I didn't have cancer.
485
00:29:49,078 --> 00:29:52,040
You... You didn't have a mastectomy?
486
00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:53,792
No.
487
00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:56,795
I had implants,
488
00:29:58,338 --> 00:29:59,923
because I wanted to look better.
489
00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:05,595
Did I say something wrong?
490
00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:10,767
Oh, could you
bring that order right away, please?
491
00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:12,769
Um, no.
492
00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:16,856
It's just that I don't have
as much time as I thought.
493
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,442
And since Louis McClennon
isn't expecting you,
494
00:30:19,526 --> 00:30:21,402
maybe it's better I see him by myself.
495
00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:25,198
I just figured the more people
that made noise, the better.
496
00:30:26,699 --> 00:30:29,160
Sybil, you're way ahead of me.
497
00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:34,165
There's so much
I need to learn about this.
498
00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:35,750
All right.
499
00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:41,172
Daniel Shatz from UCLA is in town.
500
00:30:41,256 --> 00:30:42,715
He wants to meet at 5:00, here.
501
00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,425
Why don't you join us then?
502
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:46,636
Thank you.
503
00:30:48,888 --> 00:30:50,723
You know,
Memes were supposed to be the solution
504
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,058
to capsular contracture.
505
00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:55,061
This is what one looks like when it's new.
506
00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:59,691
And look at this, patient had
this removed after only six months.
507
00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:02,527
All the foam is gone. That looks awful.
508
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:03,736
Hmm.
509
00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:05,947
Where did the rest of it go?
510
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:07,407
Great question.
511
00:31:08,741 --> 00:31:11,202
Seems it goes into
the surrounding breast tissue.
512
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:15,290
Once it's there,
it's not easy to remove it, I'll tell you.
513
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,796
What happens to the fragments
if they're not removed?
514
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,302
Well, they can dissolve into a chemical
known as toluene diamine, TDA.
515
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:29,804
It's known to cause cancer in animals.
516
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:32,098
In fact, the FDA banned
its use in hair dye.
517
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:34,893
But it's okay for breast implants? Great.
518
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,896
I've had Meme implants.
519
00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:43,359
So basically, what you're saying is,
520
00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:45,987
the implants that are used
for reconstructive surgery
521
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:47,947
because I had cancer...
522
00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:50,700
Can give me cancer again?
523
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,369
It's a risk, not a proven fact.
524
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,956
But it's a big risk,
otherwise you wouldn't be here, right?
525
00:32:04,547 --> 00:32:06,925
I guess I better find out
what these little bumps are.
526
00:32:07,884 --> 00:32:09,594
And the ones just like them on my thigh.
527
00:32:17,226 --> 00:32:19,187
-Coffee, please.
-Yes, ma'am.
528
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:22,023
- Morning.
-Morning.
529
00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:25,234
You didn't eat much.
530
00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:28,279
I don't have much
of an appetite these days.
531
00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:30,490
And as they say, there's always an upside.
532
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,159
Are you okay?
533
00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:37,538
I was real worried about you last night
with those little bumps and all.
534
00:32:38,122 --> 00:32:39,290
I'm dealing with it.
535
00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:42,961
Well, better than I would.
536
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,464
Hey, I've been sitting
here making some notes.
537
00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:50,218
I thought we could start a newsletter.
We could do it together.
538
00:32:50,593 --> 00:32:52,303
We could call it Command.
539
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:55,098
For Cosmetic Operation Mishaps.
540
00:32:56,766 --> 00:32:59,560
Do you have any non-fat milk? Thank you.
541
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,272
So, what do you think of the title?
542
00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:05,358
Actually, I'm starting one myself.
543
00:33:05,441 --> 00:33:09,445
Truth in Reconstruction, Understanding
Surgical Techniques, TRUST for short.
544
00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:13,992
How about something in between?
545
00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:19,288
To be honest with you,
I haven't considered aligning myself
546
00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:22,542
with women who have had implants
for purely cosmetic reasons.
547
00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,921
Oh, I get it, uh...
548
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,217
You're the good victim.
And I'm the bad victim.
549
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:32,719
That's not what I said.
550
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,220
Oh, sure it is.
551
00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,014
You know, you remind me of folks
552
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,433
who divide people
with AIDS into two categories.
553
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:40,643
The guilty ones because they're gay,
554
00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:43,062
and the innocent ones like hemophiliacs,
555
00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:44,814
because they've had transfusions.
556
00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:46,607
That's really not what I meant.
557
00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:47,775
Look,
558
00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:51,779
I can admit I had implants because
I wanted to feel good about myself,
559
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:53,114
but so did you.
560
00:33:53,614 --> 00:33:55,450
I think there is a difference.
561
00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:59,162
I had cancer. I had lost something.
562
00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:01,122
And I'm sorry.
563
00:34:01,497 --> 00:34:04,000
But we both chose to have implants.
564
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:08,880
Kathleen, I don't know what I would say in
a newsletter to women like you.
565
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,216
You were perfectly healthy. I...
566
00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:15,136
I was.
567
00:34:19,182 --> 00:34:21,017
But we were both misled.
568
00:34:21,809 --> 00:34:23,186
I'll see you at the hearing.
569
00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:49,378
The problem, gentlemen, is...
570
00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:52,507
When implants rupture or leak,
571
00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:55,051
silicone gets into the bloodstream,
572
00:34:55,635 --> 00:34:58,221
and is carried to the thyroid glands,
the ovaries...
573
00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,098
-Excuse me, Dr. Shatz.
-If I may finish...
574
00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:02,600
Are you suggesting
that silicone is anything but inert?
575
00:35:02,683 --> 00:35:05,812
-Hi, how are you doing?
-I was fine.
576
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:08,397
Silicone can
trigger the immune system.
577
00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:12,693
So it produces antibodies which attack
itself as well as other parts of the body.
578
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:18,282
Unfortunately, because the outer covering
of the Meme implant breaks down,
579
00:35:18,741 --> 00:35:19,992
it doesn't fare any better.
580
00:35:20,409 --> 00:35:22,036
- Dr. Shatz...
-How about a dry run?
581
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,791
...I find your comments overstating,
if not highly inflammatory.
582
00:35:26,874 --> 00:35:29,001
Who is the man with the bow tie?
583
00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:32,630
That's Vincent Koch.
He's a lawyer from Dow Corning.
584
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,340
- Oh, boy.
585
00:35:34,423 --> 00:35:37,218
-I'd like to get a shot at him.
-You'll get your chance.
586
00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:40,263
...when implants
rupture or leak, silicone...
587
00:35:40,346 --> 00:35:43,057
I thought that I would tell them
that I questioned the surgeons
588
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:45,184
thoroughly about
the reliability of the implants,
589
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:49,272
but since I had no idea that they came
with a manufacturer's warning,
590
00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:50,898
how could I ask to read it,
something like that.
591
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,400
Mmm-hmm. That's good.
592
00:35:52,483 --> 00:35:53,568
I'd like to assure you, ma'am,
593
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:55,695
that Daniel Shatz,
distinguished as he may be,
594
00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:57,280
doesn't know what he's talking about.
595
00:35:57,363 --> 00:35:59,866
With all due respect, Mr. Koch,
596
00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,285
I believe he knows
exactly what he's talking about,
597
00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:04,996
because I'm exactly
one of the women he's describing.
598
00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:09,167
Mrs. Anneken, I sympathize with
your physical discomfort,
599
00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:13,004
but surely you can understand
that unsubstantiated charges by one...
600
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:15,464
Excuse me. If I may, Kathleen.
601
00:36:15,548 --> 00:36:17,300
-Mr. Koch, is it?
-Yeah.
602
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:20,803
Sybil Goldrich. You may have read
a recent article of mine.
603
00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,181
Or if not, I'd...
I'd like to send it to you.
604
00:36:23,264 --> 00:36:24,599
When you do read it, you'll learn that
605
00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:28,060
Kathleen is just one of an untold number
of women, myself included,
606
00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:30,354
who have had negative reactions
to these implants.
607
00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,316
Ladies, you're going to have to excuse me.
608
00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:40,198
-That pompous ass.
-There's a lot of those around here.
609
00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:43,492
Did I look like I needed the cavalry?
610
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,245
Well, yes,
I thought you were going to collapse.
611
00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:48,206
Maybe so,
612
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:51,375
but I don't recall
asking you to come to the rescue.
613
00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:57,131
Look, Sybil, I came here because I have
to find out what's happening to me.
614
00:36:57,590 --> 00:37:01,010
And if you don't like who I am
or what I've done, that's your problem.
615
00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:04,805
But I'll tell you one thing, I am not
leaving Washington without answers.
616
00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:06,933
Sybil, you're up next.
617
00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:11,103
-We'll talk later.
- I'll check my schedule.
618
00:37:14,273 --> 00:37:17,235
But I refute Daniel Shatz's testimony.
619
00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:20,279
That's Paul Cadets,
he's a big-wheel surgeon.
620
00:37:20,363 --> 00:37:24,367
If, and I say if,
silicone travels, it's harmless.
621
00:37:24,659 --> 00:37:28,287
It's picked up by the lymph system
and excreted or stored.
622
00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:31,123
There is no, and I repeat,
no medical proof
623
00:37:31,707 --> 00:37:34,794
that links silicone
to immune system ailments.
624
00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:36,379
Thank you.
625
00:37:36,879 --> 00:37:38,589
Thank you, Dr. Cadets.
626
00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:50,184
Mrs. Sybil Goldrich.
627
00:38:10,621 --> 00:38:13,624
Gentlemen, thank you for
inviting me here to speak.
628
00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:17,545
Um... For me,
629
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:23,426
implant surgery was one way
of reclaiming my body after a mastectomy.
630
00:38:24,468 --> 00:38:26,012
Unfortunately,
631
00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:30,975
my body rejected both the silicone
implants and the Meme replacements.
632
00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:35,354
As if once wasn't enough,
I've now lost my breast three times.
633
00:38:40,234 --> 00:38:42,320
Excuse me.
634
00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:45,614
I'm sorry.
635
00:38:47,783 --> 00:38:49,160
Though I...
636
00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:53,247
I asked many questions
prior to my surgery,
637
00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:58,085
I was not informed of the manufacturer's
warning that comes with the implants.
638
00:38:59,378 --> 00:39:03,299
Had I known of the risks,
I may have made a different choice.
639
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:06,552
-Mrs. Goldrich.
-Yes.
640
00:39:06,635 --> 00:39:10,681
Is it your opinion that silicone implants
should be removed from the market?
641
00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:18,022
For whatever reason a woman
chooses to have implants,
642
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:24,320
she must be told
643
00:39:24,695 --> 00:39:27,073
they do not have FDA approval.
644
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:31,243
They are not necessarily
safe and they could ruin her health.
645
00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:34,455
Thank you.
646
00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:37,249
Thank you, Mrs. Goldrich.
647
00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:40,169
We'll take a 10-minute break.
648
00:39:59,355 --> 00:40:01,399
I just hope they heard that.
649
00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:04,652
Well, I did.
650
00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:09,323
So, now what?
651
00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:13,953
I'd say it's about time we paid a visit
to a few members of Congress.
652
00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:17,790
Here, you take half this list.
653
00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:27,425
I'm sorry,
Congresswoman Brenner is unavailable.
654
00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:28,926
We need 10 minutes at the most.
655
00:40:29,009 --> 00:40:30,803
You'd be wasting your time.
656
00:40:30,886 --> 00:40:32,847
The Congresswoman doesn't
agree with your position
657
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,598
that breast implants
be taken off the market.
658
00:40:34,682 --> 00:40:36,684
-Well, that's not my position.
-Mine either.
659
00:40:36,767 --> 00:40:39,728
We just want to make sure that women
are informed of the dangers involved.
660
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:41,522
Thanks for your help.
661
00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:46,402
Let me get this straight,
she doesn't have time to listen to us,
662
00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:49,530
but she's got time to listen to Dr. Slick
here who gives her a line of baloney?
663
00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:53,659
-Excuse me.
-No, I will not excuse you or anybody else
664
00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,327
who participates in this whitewash.
665
00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:56,829
Can we go before we get arrested?
666
00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:59,123
-All right, we'll go. For now.
-Sybil...
667
00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:09,508
If you ask me, the big boys are nervous.
668
00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,427
Otherwise, why send a heavy hitter
like Koch here,
669
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:14,054
and why have Cadets
buttonholing Congress people?
670
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,431
You might be on to something.
671
00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:17,308
We just need to
keep the pressure turned up,
672
00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:18,809
especially from the private sector.
673
00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:20,394
Which reminds me,
674
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:24,148
that FDA panel has a seat for a consumer
representative and it's vacant.
675
00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:26,108
We could appoint Sybil.
676
00:41:27,776 --> 00:41:30,905
No, she's not eligible
unless she represents an organization.
677
00:41:32,448 --> 00:41:34,200
Actually, we do.
678
00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:36,285
It's called Command Trust...
679
00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:37,620
Network.
680
00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:41,582
Kathleen's the president.
I'm the vice-president.
681
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:46,962
Well, then, it's settled.
682
00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:51,634
Thanks for taking me to breakfast.
683
00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:55,012
You didn't have to spring for a limo, too.
684
00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:57,348
Yeah, I think maybe I owe you.
685
00:41:57,973 --> 00:41:59,350
So, uh...
686
00:42:00,309 --> 00:42:02,269
What are we going to
put in our newsletter?
687
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,523
Well, maybe we should
each write an article,
688
00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:08,484
from our own point of view,
about what happened.
689
00:42:09,276 --> 00:42:11,320
Okay. And, uh...
690
00:42:11,654 --> 00:42:15,115
I'll contact other women's groups and
see if they'll lend their mailing list.
691
00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:17,826
That's a good idea.
692
00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:22,456
And let me know when you find
a surgeon to remove those implants.
693
00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:24,333
If I do.
694
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:25,793
You will.
695
00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:31,382
And call after a doctor
checks those little bumps on your wrist.
696
00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:32,967
All right.
697
00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:37,638
So I guess...
698
00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:45,771
Take care.
699
00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:47,523
You, too.
700
00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:06,375
The nodules are non-cancerous tumors.
701
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,461
I suppose they could
have been caused by the silicone,
702
00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:12,673
since it leaked into your system
when the implants ruptured.
703
00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,596
My implants ruptured?
704
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:20,764
Why wasn't I told?
705
00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:23,267
I have no idea. It's here in your chart.
706
00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:27,229
It took the surgeon two hours
to clean the gel off your chest wall.
707
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:31,609
Do you believe that?
Now I find out that I could have silicone
708
00:43:31,692 --> 00:43:34,320
flying around in my body
and I can't do anything.
709
00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:36,113
Those damn doctors.
710
00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:38,532
Right.
711
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:40,075
She doesn't mean you, Dad.
712
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,452
- Uh-huh.
-Who's she talking to?
713
00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:42,745
One guess.
714
00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:44,288
Yeah.
715
00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:46,790
So you keep looking
for a surgeon, Kathleen,
716
00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:50,502
and don't let them give you the party line
about silicone being inert.
717
00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:51,712
Actually,
718
00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:54,506
I think I've found one
719
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:58,177
who's agreed to talk
to me about having the implants removed.
720
00:43:59,094 --> 00:44:00,304
I, uh...
721
00:44:01,555 --> 00:44:03,140
I'm seeing him tomorrow.
722
00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:06,268
Well, that's wonderful,
Kathleen. What, honey?
723
00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:08,354
-Forgot to give this to you.
-Oh, thank you.
724
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:15,069
Kathleen, did you read the paper today?
Listen to this.
725
00:44:16,195 --> 00:44:20,074
"A jury found in favoryesterday of a woman suing Dow Corning."
726
00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:23,786
She claimed her implants
were the cause of an autoimmune disease.
727
00:44:24,828 --> 00:44:25,829
Oh, my goodness.
728
00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:27,623
What?
729
00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:30,542
She was awarded $1.7 million.
730
00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:34,463
The judge upheld the jury's finding
that Dow Corning committed fraud.
731
00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:35,923
What's the attorney's name?
732
00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:39,843
A Joshua Norton, and he lives here.
733
00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:44,223
Sybil, be gentle.
734
00:44:44,765 --> 00:44:46,600
I know. I know. I know.
735
00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,977
I'll call you as soon as
I've cornered him.
736
00:44:49,603 --> 00:44:50,562
Bye-bye.
737
00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:54,233
Xena, this is fantastic, darling.
738
00:44:54,817 --> 00:44:56,110
-Thank you.
- You're welcome.
739
00:45:02,074 --> 00:45:03,450
How was practice?
740
00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:05,911
It was okay.
741
00:45:09,706 --> 00:45:10,958
Brad...
742
00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:15,838
I saw your face when
I mentioned having the implants removed.
743
00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:18,382
It's no big deal.
744
00:45:28,767 --> 00:45:29,977
Brad.
745
00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:33,355
Okay.
746
00:45:35,649 --> 00:45:38,318
I... I guess I don't know
why you had them in in the first place.
747
00:45:44,783 --> 00:45:47,035
Remember the beginning of last season,
748
00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:49,455
when you had to have the new high-tops,
749
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,457
'cause the old ones didn't look so good?
750
00:45:54,376 --> 00:45:56,211
Maybe it's not so different for me.
751
00:45:57,171 --> 00:46:01,842
Mom, I didn't have my new
high-tops surgically attached to my feet.
752
00:46:09,892 --> 00:46:13,896
So, I'm in the mood for
a cheap escapist thriller.
753
00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:15,355
Anybody with me?
754
00:46:15,439 --> 00:46:17,733
-No chainsaws.
-Spoilsport.
755
00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:19,526
-Sybil, you in?
-No, go ahead.
756
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:21,361
I want to try and finish this newsletter
757
00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:22,779
and I'd like to see if I can get a hold
758
00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:25,115
of this Joshua Norton's
telephone number tonight if possible.
759
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:26,533
-Can't it wait?
-Yeah, Mom.
760
00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:27,993
It can, but it won't. Go ahead.
761
00:46:28,076 --> 00:46:30,329
You don't need me to have fun. Go.
762
00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:33,874
Okay, it's your loss. I'll get my coat.
763
00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:38,045
Sybil...
764
00:46:39,838 --> 00:46:41,590
-What's going on?
-Nothing.
765
00:46:43,217 --> 00:46:44,885
I just don't want to go to a movie.
766
00:46:45,844 --> 00:46:47,721
Jimmy, don't over-analyze everything.
767
00:46:47,804 --> 00:46:49,765
I'm not. I'm just...
768
00:46:53,018 --> 00:46:54,436
-Never mind.
769
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,854
-I'll see you later.
-Okay.
770
00:46:59,483 --> 00:47:01,652
And I'm an oncologist,
not a plastic surgeon.
771
00:47:01,902 --> 00:47:05,322
I know, but none of
the plastic surgeons would help.
772
00:47:07,366 --> 00:47:09,201
To do so could give credence
to your argument
773
00:47:09,284 --> 00:47:11,161
that the implants have
caused your illness.
774
00:47:11,245 --> 00:47:14,373
This isn't about what they think,
this is about what I want.
775
00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:16,250
Your symptoms may not go away.
776
00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,711
I'm willing to take that chance.
777
00:47:19,795 --> 00:47:22,089
You had the implants for cosmetic reasons.
778
00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:26,343
Do you understand
how your breasts will appear without them?
779
00:47:27,052 --> 00:47:28,136
Yes.
780
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:33,892
Why don't we do a mammogram
to see if the implants have ruptured?
781
00:47:35,769 --> 00:47:37,020
Thank you, Dr. Warren.
782
00:47:37,229 --> 00:47:39,565
I haven't agreed to
perform the surgery yet.
783
00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:41,817
I know.
784
00:47:42,859 --> 00:47:45,612
But you're the first surgeon
who's listened to me in a long time.
785
00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:51,285
Sorry to make you eat on the run,
but I'm due in court.
786
00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:54,121
No problem. Um, do you have any salads?
787
00:47:55,956 --> 00:47:57,207
Um...
788
00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,919
So, Mr. Norton how did you convince a jury
789
00:48:01,003 --> 00:48:03,005
that Dow Corning committed fraud?
790
00:48:03,255 --> 00:48:04,881
Well, Dow said their implants were safe.
791
00:48:04,965 --> 00:48:07,009
The only thing wrong with that is,
792
00:48:07,092 --> 00:48:08,552
their own documents suggest otherwise.
793
00:48:08,635 --> 00:48:10,429
-What documents?
-Mmm...
794
00:48:12,139 --> 00:48:14,600
I got the court to order
Dow to give me the files.
795
00:48:15,225 --> 00:48:18,729
I saw stuff going back 20 years.
We hit the jackpot.
796
00:48:19,354 --> 00:48:21,898
I'd like copies.
797
00:48:22,107 --> 00:48:23,984
Can't. I can't even
tell you what's in 'em.
798
00:48:24,067 --> 00:48:26,778
That's one of the conditions of them
giving me access in the first place.
799
00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:29,072
So the information exists,
but I can't have it?
800
00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:30,574
That's what I'm saying.
801
00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:33,076
Then I'd say
Dow Corning's in for a rude awakening.
802
00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,121
I'd say you're in for a fight.
I got to run, sorry.
803
00:48:42,753 --> 00:48:46,006
And so,
if what Michael Norton says is true,
804
00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:49,843
and we can assume that it is since his
client was awarded over a million bucks,
805
00:48:50,844 --> 00:48:53,472
how do these guys
at Dow Corning sleep at night?
806
00:48:53,555 --> 00:48:55,766
They sleep just fine, Sybil.
807
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:58,143
Dow is like any other corporate entity.
808
00:48:58,226 --> 00:49:00,145
Their board answers to the stockholders.
809
00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:03,190
-Not to do so would be in breach of--
-Oh, Jimmy.
810
00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:05,442
How can you defend these people?
811
00:49:05,734 --> 00:49:07,944
- I'm not.
- Yes, you are.
812
00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:09,071
Xena, pass the dressing.
813
00:49:09,988 --> 00:49:12,908
We have this conversation every night.
Can we give it a rest?
814
00:49:12,991 --> 00:49:14,076
Hear, hear.
815
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:17,913
Oh, sorry I'm boring you.
816
00:49:18,497 --> 00:49:21,458
You're not, but...
That's not what I said.
817
00:49:21,583 --> 00:49:24,461
Every time we're together,
we talk about implants.
818
00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:26,380
You're becoming obsessed.
819
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,674
How can you say that to me?
820
00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:31,885
Let the machine get it.
821
00:49:31,968 --> 00:49:34,179
-I'll get it.
822
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,808
Ah...
823
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:41,978
Oh, my God.
824
00:49:49,611 --> 00:49:50,904
What are you doing?
825
00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:54,324
Is it too much to ask to have a...
826
00:49:54,408 --> 00:49:55,951
A normal dinner with my family?
827
00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:58,245
Because if it is,
I'll go down the street to get a burger.
828
00:49:58,328 --> 00:50:01,164
Fine. Jimmy, leave. Why not?
829
00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:04,000
That's right, why not?
You do it all the time.
830
00:50:05,293 --> 00:50:08,296
This work has taken over our whole lives.
831
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:11,717
And I'm very sorry that you
don't see it as important.
832
00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:20,517
Kathleen was supposed to
have her implants out today.
833
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,893
Then get it.
834
00:50:21,977 --> 00:50:23,437
Thank you.
835
00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:35,073
Hello.
836
00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:38,201
Hi, Sybil, it's me. I hope I didn't...
837
00:50:38,535 --> 00:50:40,328
Catch me at a bad time?
838
00:50:41,037 --> 00:50:44,040
No, not at all.
I'm glad you called. Are you all right?
839
00:50:44,124 --> 00:50:45,876
-Well...
840
00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:50,088
Well, I had my implants out,
like I wanted.
841
00:50:52,674 --> 00:50:55,594
And just now,
I was thinking about junior high.
842
00:50:57,888 --> 00:50:59,431
I was so skinny.
843
00:51:01,683 --> 00:51:05,645
The boys used to say I should hire
myself out as an ironing board.
844
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,023
Oh, Kathleen.
845
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:10,942
God, Sybil, they'd all laugh.
846
00:51:11,276 --> 00:51:12,986
You don't need to tough this out.
847
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:15,238
Yeah, I think I do.
848
00:51:15,655 --> 00:51:17,783
I shouldn't...
849
00:51:17,866 --> 00:51:21,286
...have cared so much aboutwhat they thought, but I did.
850
00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,081
And now, here I am.
851
00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:32,714
So many years later, and it's like...
852
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,845
It's like I'm less than zero.
853
00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:42,015
What happened was not your fault.
854
00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,980
Now I know what you
must have felt like after your mastectomy.
855
00:51:50,649 --> 00:51:53,652
I would give anything
for you not to know that.
856
00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:58,031
Before I forget, um...
857
00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:03,411
We have four new members of Command Trust.
858
00:52:04,454 --> 00:52:05,997
Three women,
859
00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:09,167
and a transsexual from San Francisco.
860
00:52:14,172 --> 00:52:15,715
We'll talk later, okay?
861
00:52:16,383 --> 00:52:18,009
You can count on it.
862
00:52:19,135 --> 00:52:20,011
Bye.
863
00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:34,484
Honey, please.
864
00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:37,946
Please don't shut me out.
865
00:52:39,197 --> 00:52:40,156
Okay?
866
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,200
I can't help it.
867
00:52:46,204 --> 00:52:47,956
I feel so unlovable.
868
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,708
Oh, no, you're not.
869
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:52,210
Not to me, you could never be to me.
870
00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:55,213
Sweetheart...
871
00:52:57,966 --> 00:52:59,759
I just want to hold you.
872
00:53:00,302 --> 00:53:01,720
All right? We'll take it slow.
873
00:53:01,803 --> 00:53:03,805
I just want to hold you tonight.
874
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:11,187
It's going to be all right.
875
00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:13,857
It is all right.
876
00:53:27,245 --> 00:53:30,123
Celia and Rich want us
to go to opening night of the ball.
877
00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:31,750
Sounds okay.
878
00:53:33,376 --> 00:53:34,753
We need to talk.
879
00:53:37,172 --> 00:53:38,548
Indeed we do.
880
00:53:40,091 --> 00:53:42,177
Connie Chung's office phoned me.
881
00:53:43,595 --> 00:53:45,430
They're interested in an interview.
882
00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:48,224
Actually, no, it's more than that. They...
883
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,979
They want to show
pictures of my breasts after they became
884
00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:55,607
infected and disfigured.
885
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:57,067
And you said yes?
886
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,236
No, I said I wanted
to discuss it with my husband.
887
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,697
And what would you do
if I said I'd rather you not do that?
888
00:54:04,449 --> 00:54:06,409
Is that what you're saying?
889
00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:08,328
No, no, I'm asking you a direct question.
890
00:54:08,411 --> 00:54:10,163
If I'd rather you wouldn't do that...
891
00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:11,957
I heard you the first time.
892
00:54:13,792 --> 00:54:17,879
Jimmy, this work
that I'm doing is very important to me.
893
00:54:17,963 --> 00:54:19,214
It helps me cope.
894
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:22,217
-You talked to the girls?
-Mmm-hmm.
895
00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:25,720
Xena's fine. Amy has never much understood
896
00:54:25,804 --> 00:54:27,263
why her mother is so out there.
897
00:54:27,347 --> 00:54:28,640
That's a direct quote.
898
00:54:30,976 --> 00:54:32,644
I wish that you did.
899
00:54:35,271 --> 00:54:39,317
You're beginning to treat my involvement
with this like it's an inconvenience,
900
00:54:39,401 --> 00:54:43,071
-like it is just another fundraiser.
-Sybil, do what you want.
901
00:54:43,154 --> 00:54:46,032
Damn it, Jimmy,
this is about spending what time I have
902
00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:47,283
in a meaningful way.
903
00:54:47,367 --> 00:54:50,120
The children and I had hoped
that you would spend that time with us.
904
00:54:51,329 --> 00:54:52,330
Wait a minute.
905
00:54:52,539 --> 00:54:55,625
Sybil, this work that
you're doing helps you cope, that's fine.
906
00:54:55,709 --> 00:54:57,210
-But for me, it's just a reminder.
-Of what?
907
00:54:57,293 --> 00:54:58,753
Of how I let you down.
908
00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:02,465
Doesn't it ever occur to you that
I might feel responsible for all this?
909
00:55:03,008 --> 00:55:05,301
You didn't know what
was going to happen any more than I did.
910
00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:07,637
-We both asked questions.
-I'm a doctor.
911
00:55:08,346 --> 00:55:11,307
I hear you bad-mouth doctors
all the time on the phone to Kathleen.
912
00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:12,851
Don't you think I hear that?
913
00:55:14,185 --> 00:55:15,979
I don't blame you.
914
00:55:16,604 --> 00:55:18,648
-Don't you?
-No, of course not.
915
00:55:19,149 --> 00:55:20,900
The choices were mine.
916
00:55:21,276 --> 00:55:23,862
You're a good doctor.
More than that, you're a good man.
917
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:26,489
And you would never ever
let one of your patients
918
00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:27,991
make the choices that I made
919
00:55:28,074 --> 00:55:30,243
without a full
understanding of the risks involved,
920
00:55:30,326 --> 00:55:31,453
and I know that.
921
00:55:31,745 --> 00:55:33,204
You're sure?
922
00:55:38,835 --> 00:55:40,336
You're sure you're sure?
923
00:55:48,261 --> 00:55:50,180
Oh! Three points, Daddy.
924
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:54,100
Oh, that was lame.
925
00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:56,394
Oh, yeah, smart girl?
Show me what you got.
926
00:55:56,478 --> 00:55:58,730
Sitting there in the sidelines,
making noise. Come on.
927
00:55:59,397 --> 00:56:00,982
Three points, Mom.
928
00:56:02,025 --> 00:56:03,735
Oh, come on. Go ahead. I dare you.
929
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,528
Mommy!
930
00:56:08,615 --> 00:56:09,699
Yes!
931
00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:12,243
Hey, she's back.
932
00:56:13,578 --> 00:56:16,164
Amy! Mom's show's on.
933
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:20,210
Sybil Goldrich receivedimplants after a double mastectomy.
934
00:56:20,293 --> 00:56:21,461
You didn't set the VCR?
935
00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:23,838
No, no, no,
the resident technician did it.
936
00:56:23,922 --> 00:56:25,673
Although implants have beenon the market for three decades.
937
00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:26,925
Look, Mom, it's you.
938
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:31,012
-This is your fantasy, eh?
- I look fat.
939
00:56:31,429 --> 00:56:33,306
TV adds 10 pounds.
940
00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:35,391
Oh, now you tell me.
941
00:56:35,475 --> 00:56:36,601
You're beautiful.
942
00:56:37,143 --> 00:56:41,815
There are over 300 implantoperations done every day in this country.
943
00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,733
Women who choose this surgery
944
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:47,654
must be given a copy of the manufacturer'swarning that comes with the product.
945
00:56:48,571 --> 00:56:50,323
Had I been given more information,
946
00:56:50,406 --> 00:56:52,700
at least I could havemade an informed choice.
947
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:55,203
Mrs. Goldrichgave us permission to show
948
00:56:55,286 --> 00:56:56,955
this graphic and shocking photo
949
00:56:57,038 --> 00:56:58,873
that illustratesthe extent of her disfigurement
950
00:56:58,957 --> 00:57:00,917
after five implant operations.
951
00:57:01,501 --> 00:57:04,629
Like many women,numerous operations left my breasts...
952
00:57:04,712 --> 00:57:06,798
-Forget about it.
-...disfigured and infected.
953
00:57:07,549 --> 00:57:08,883
Amy? Amy!
954
00:57:08,967 --> 00:57:10,635
And all this time,the FDA has never approved them.
955
00:57:11,553 --> 00:57:14,681
Just as I say thatI believe implants are harmful,
956
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:18,101
the drug companies and manufacturershave no proof that they're not.
957
00:57:28,403 --> 00:57:30,697
Amy? I want to talk.
958
00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,116
After tonight, you said it all, Mom.
959
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:37,454
Amy, you may as well give up.
960
00:57:37,537 --> 00:57:39,622
You know how persistent I am.
961
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,459
I don't have time for this.
962
00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:44,252
Well, make time.
963
00:57:46,045 --> 00:57:48,673
You've been grousing at me for months,
and I've left you alone.
964
00:57:49,632 --> 00:57:50,842
It's fine with me.
965
00:57:50,925 --> 00:57:52,469
What's bothering you?
966
00:57:52,552 --> 00:57:53,803
You don't want to know.
967
00:57:53,887 --> 00:57:55,305
Yes, I do.
968
00:57:55,763 --> 00:57:57,891
Nobody cares more about you than I do.
969
00:58:00,727 --> 00:58:02,145
Amy, what do you want?
970
00:58:02,395 --> 00:58:04,856
I want to be left alone.
971
00:58:04,939 --> 00:58:06,399
I don't believe you.
972
00:58:06,483 --> 00:58:07,859
Okay, don't believe me.
973
00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:09,944
Doesn't matter what I think anyway.
974
00:58:10,195 --> 00:58:11,446
It matters to me.
975
00:58:11,905 --> 00:58:13,364
What do you want me to say, Mother?
976
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,202
That I approve of you
showing your breasts all over national TV?
977
00:58:17,827 --> 00:58:19,037
Well, I don't.
978
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,915
Okay? It is the most
repulsive thing I've ever seen in my life.
979
00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:26,127
Where is your self-respect?
980
00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:29,631
You want to know the truth?
You disgust me, okay?
981
00:58:29,714 --> 00:58:30,840
Are you happy now?
982
00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:34,469
This is so humiliating.
983
00:58:36,387 --> 00:58:39,349
I'm just so scared all the time,
if the cancer is...
984
00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:40,433
Amy.
985
00:58:40,767 --> 00:58:42,602
We're pretty sure the cancer is gone.
986
00:58:43,436 --> 00:58:45,146
And I'm taking the tests.
987
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:47,190
Cancer runs in families, Mom.
988
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,400
You know, sometimes
I think it's not a matter of
989
00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:51,361
if I'm going to get it, but when.
990
00:58:51,694 --> 00:58:54,656
Honey, why didn't you talk
to me about this sooner?
991
00:58:54,822 --> 00:58:56,824
Because there's nothing
you can do about it.
992
00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:00,787
Amy...
993
00:59:03,623 --> 00:59:07,043
Just because I had cancer doesn't mean
that you and Xena will.
994
00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:10,630
My mother didn't have breast cancer,
neither did my grandmother.
995
00:59:11,756 --> 00:59:16,177
Mom, telling me not to worry is not going
to make what I'm feeling go away.
996
00:59:16,469 --> 00:59:17,845
You're right.
997
00:59:20,431 --> 00:59:22,559
Amy, whatever you choose to think,
998
00:59:23,017 --> 00:59:25,061
don't ever be afraid to know
999
00:59:25,144 --> 00:59:27,230
what's going on inside your own body.
1000
00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:31,484
I have to finish this paper.
1001
00:59:39,784 --> 00:59:43,079
You should know this,
I'm going to Washington again.
1002
00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:47,000
I've been asked
to testify before a House Subcommittee.
1003
00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:50,545
They're finally looking into
just how safe implants are.
1004
00:59:51,504 --> 00:59:52,589
Or aren't.
1005
00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:53,715
Hmm.
1006
00:59:54,966 --> 00:59:56,759
Like Congress actually cares.
1007
00:59:57,468 --> 00:59:59,596
Oh, Kathleen and I have
gotten the word out.
1008
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,515
There's a lot of other women
who are demanding the truth.
1009
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:06,686
So you see, your mother isn't the only
woman out there who has a big mouth.
1010
01:00:08,855 --> 01:00:12,442
I guess... I guess that's one trait
I could stand to inherit,
1011
01:00:12,525 --> 01:00:14,152
since I want to be a lawyer, right?
1012
01:00:14,527 --> 01:00:16,821
Yes, you could.
1013
01:00:27,582 --> 01:00:28,499
Mom?
1014
01:00:31,127 --> 01:00:32,503
Knock 'em dead.
1015
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,060
No, I know.
1016
01:00:47,352 --> 01:00:51,314
Well, listen, you let us know if
you want any more information.
1017
01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:54,692
Mmm-hmm. Sure, bye.
1018
01:00:56,611 --> 01:00:58,738
-Hey, I'll get it, Mom.
-Oh, okay.
1019
01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:00,490
You know what to say?
1020
01:01:00,573 --> 01:01:01,741
Yeah, I got plenty to say.
1021
01:01:03,951 --> 01:01:06,245
Hello? This is Command Trust.
1022
01:01:07,455 --> 01:01:09,540
Yeah, I saw the show, too.
1023
01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:11,751
Really?
1024
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:14,295
It happened to you, too?
1025
01:01:15,296 --> 01:01:17,423
Would you like us
to send you some information?
1026
01:01:21,886 --> 01:01:22,970
What happened?
1027
01:01:23,054 --> 01:01:24,681
Yeah, can I...
Is everybody all right?
1028
01:01:24,764 --> 01:01:25,973
-Well, sure.
- "Well, sure"?
1029
01:01:26,391 --> 01:01:29,352
Kathleen, I've been trying to call
for two hours, the phone has been busy.
1030
01:01:29,435 --> 01:01:32,730
I'm sorry, honey, I told you Sybil's
TV interview was on last night.
1031
01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,108
Producers gave our phone
number as a reference,
1032
01:01:35,191 --> 01:01:37,026
and I guess the program hit a nerve.
1033
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:38,778
-Let it ring.
1034
01:01:38,861 --> 01:01:41,030
Dad, it might be
one of those women who needs information.
1035
01:01:42,156 --> 01:01:43,449
Then answer it.
1036
01:01:44,409 --> 01:01:45,284
Hello?
1037
01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:46,619
What did you have to tell me
that was so important?
1038
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:47,995
No, that's not the point, Kathleen.
1039
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:49,831
I couldn't get through to my own home.
1040
01:01:50,331 --> 01:01:52,875
David, when you opened
your accounting firm,
1041
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,961
you were on the phone 10 hours a day.
1042
01:01:55,044 --> 01:01:57,422
Why can't I get the same consideration?
1043
01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:03,469
When are things
going to get back to normal around here?
1044
01:02:03,845 --> 01:02:06,139
The only way I can live with this
1045
01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,225
is to make sure
other women won't go through what I have,
1046
01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:11,227
what we have.
1047
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:12,895
And if you're going to live with me,
1048
01:02:13,771 --> 01:02:15,273
you're going to have to
live with that decision.
1049
01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:21,696
Well, I guess there's just one
thing left for me to do, then.
1050
01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:25,491
I'm going to have
to put in another phone line, huh?
1051
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,869
All right, Dad.
1052
01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:30,913
What else am I going to do?
You got me double-teamed here.
1053
01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:37,253
And I've had three autoimmune diseases.
1054
01:02:37,795 --> 01:02:41,299
Just never occurred to me that
the implants had anything to do with it
1055
01:02:41,382 --> 01:02:44,802
until my surgeon
discovered that mine had ruptured.
1056
01:02:46,095 --> 01:02:49,432
Took five hours to
clean up the silicone in my chest cavity.
1057
01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:52,643
But who knows where else it spread.
1058
01:02:52,727 --> 01:02:55,396
Sounds all too familiar.
What can I do for you?
1059
01:02:55,897 --> 01:02:59,776
This may be insane.
1060
01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:02,862
But I want to take on Dow Corning.
1061
01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:05,698
Now, the thing is,
I need the right lawyer,
1062
01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:07,950
and I thought you would know of someone.
1063
01:03:08,034 --> 01:03:09,744
Yes, I do.
1064
01:03:09,827 --> 01:03:11,704
His name is Joshua Norton.
He's done it before.
1065
01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:14,457
He's the best there is.
I have his number in my car.
1066
01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:17,043
-Oh, thank you, Sybil.
-Thank you, Joan.
1067
01:03:17,126 --> 01:03:18,961
You keep in touch with me,
you let me know how it's going.
1068
01:03:19,045 --> 01:03:20,213
-All right?
-You bet.
1069
01:03:20,296 --> 01:03:21,839
Let's get it.
1070
01:03:27,011 --> 01:03:28,721
How many on this Subcommittee?
1071
01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:31,182
Uh, eight. But they won't all show up.
1072
01:03:31,265 --> 01:03:34,936
Well, I bet they would
if this were about penile implants.
1073
01:03:35,019 --> 01:03:38,105
What we need is
a hot piece on the 6:00 news
1074
01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:39,982
or something in the Washington Post.
1075
01:03:40,066 --> 01:03:42,235
This really is
all about politics, isn't it?
1076
01:03:42,318 --> 01:03:43,319
And then some.
1077
01:03:44,862 --> 01:03:45,905
Did I miss anything?
1078
01:03:45,988 --> 01:03:48,950
Oh, Kathleen. Oh! How good to see you.
1079
01:03:49,033 --> 01:03:50,243
-Good to see you, too.
-Oh, you look great.
1080
01:03:50,326 --> 01:03:52,411
-Thank you. Hi. How are you?
-Kathleen, hi.
1081
01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:53,913
Mr. Koch?
1082
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,748
Mr. Koch?
1083
01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:57,625
-Sybil Goldrich.
-Oh.
1084
01:03:57,917 --> 01:04:01,045
How does it feel to know
that Dow Corning has internal documents
1085
01:04:01,128 --> 01:04:02,797
that suggest the implants
might not be safe?
1086
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,049
Excuse me, Mrs. Goldrich,
I don't know what you're talking about.
1087
01:04:05,132 --> 01:04:07,969
Well, you must be aware
of the $1.7 million settlement
1088
01:04:08,052 --> 01:04:09,929
that the court ordered
Dow to pay that woman.
1089
01:04:10,012 --> 01:04:12,682
Mrs. Goldrich, I really
think this conversation is inappropriate,
1090
01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:16,602
in light of your newsletter which
encourages readers to sue Dow Corning.
1091
01:04:16,686 --> 01:04:18,646
We're not encouraging anyone to sue.
1092
01:04:18,729 --> 01:04:21,816
However, we do offer
guidance as to how to select a lawyer
1093
01:04:21,899 --> 01:04:24,110
in case any of our readers feel
they need one.
1094
01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:25,778
Ah, excuse me.
1095
01:04:26,362 --> 01:04:27,613
Sybil...
1096
01:04:28,447 --> 01:04:31,909
There, uh, might be
a more diplomatic way of handling him.
1097
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:35,746
Oh, come on, Kathleen, that man won't
even admit there was a settlement.
1098
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:38,124
Look, we want information,
1099
01:04:38,457 --> 01:04:40,126
we're not going to get it
by bulldozing him
1100
01:04:40,209 --> 01:04:41,502
or anybody else like him.
1101
01:04:42,795 --> 01:04:44,839
Excuse me, I have to get ready.
1102
01:04:45,923 --> 01:04:48,509
-I'll grab a seat.
-I'll be right there.
1103
01:04:48,926 --> 01:04:51,345
-Kathleen, could I talk to you first?
-Sure.
1104
01:04:55,266 --> 01:04:58,644
I, um... I hope you know what a good job
I think Command Trust is doing.
1105
01:04:58,728 --> 01:04:59,854
Thank you.
1106
01:04:59,937 --> 01:05:01,939
And when I say what I'm about to say,
1107
01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:05,276
know also that I have
the greatest admiration for Sybil
1108
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:06,986
and for everything
that she's accomplished.
1109
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:08,237
But...
1110
01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:09,655
We, um...
1111
01:05:10,197 --> 01:05:12,992
We are starting a new advisory panel.
1112
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,748
And I would very much like to see the
Command Trust Network have a voice on it.
1113
01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:20,166
Now, Sybil...
1114
01:05:20,499 --> 01:05:22,501
Sybil's a little hard, so...
1115
01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:25,463
But would you consider
taking that position?
1116
01:05:26,797 --> 01:05:27,798
Maybe.
1117
01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:30,593
Tell me more.
1118
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:31,928
Well, we're going to require that
1119
01:05:32,011 --> 01:05:35,431
manufacturers of implants
submit detailed reports
1120
01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:38,392
showing us that they
can minimize the risks.
1121
01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:40,895
And then in a few months,
the panel will meet again,
1122
01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:42,438
and they'll go over all the findings.
1123
01:05:43,439 --> 01:05:45,900
What if the manufacturers can't comply?
1124
01:05:47,026 --> 01:05:49,028
Well, it's possible
the FDA would recommend
1125
01:05:49,111 --> 01:05:50,780
pulling the implants off the market.
1126
01:05:52,573 --> 01:05:53,699
This is serious.
1127
01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:55,076
You bet.
1128
01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:57,370
I've already talked
to the administrators about you.
1129
01:05:57,453 --> 01:06:00,206
I like your style.
You're tough, but you listen.
1130
01:06:00,998 --> 01:06:02,541
Now, you'll be
the consumer representative.
1131
01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:05,461
It's a non-voting position,
but it's a lot of work.
1132
01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:09,382
-Count me in.
-I was hoping you'd say that.
1133
01:06:10,424 --> 01:06:12,385
Over the last few months,
1134
01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:15,012
I've not had any recurrence of cancer.
1135
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:19,725
But what will happen from the silicone
that is still in my body?
1136
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,646
I shudder when I think about it.
1137
01:06:24,772 --> 01:06:25,940
Thank you.
1138
01:06:32,321 --> 01:06:35,282
I think that ought to satisfy her.
Let's go.
1139
01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:41,372
You see, the thing
that bothers me is that,
1140
01:06:41,455 --> 01:06:46,085
here we have a history
of the FDA dragging its feet on problems
1141
01:06:46,168 --> 01:06:49,422
that its own scientists
have identified as being very serious.
1142
01:06:50,381 --> 01:06:51,924
And I don't understand that.
1143
01:06:53,092 --> 01:06:57,304
The FDA is not in the business to kowtow
1144
01:06:57,388 --> 01:07:01,308
to plastic surgeons,
or manufacturers, or to anybody else.
1145
01:07:02,184 --> 01:07:06,147
You are here to protect
the well-being of the American public.
1146
01:07:11,444 --> 01:07:14,363
Yeah, I'm happy that Command Trust
has a seat on the panel.
1147
01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:16,782
-But unhappy McClennon asked me.
-No.
1148
01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:19,201
All I'm saying is after
Weiss' speech today,
1149
01:07:19,285 --> 01:07:21,037
the FDA is going to feel
pressure from all sides.
1150
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,329
Don't let them off the hook.
1151
01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:26,125
I might not be as outspoken as you,
Sybil, but I'm not a pushover.
1152
01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:29,962
Kathleen, come here.
1153
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:31,172
What?
1154
01:07:33,299 --> 01:07:35,176
Somebody's rearranged my things.
1155
01:07:37,136 --> 01:07:39,680
And I'm sure I didn't leave
this medicine bag open.
1156
01:07:41,932 --> 01:07:43,809
Could somebody have gone through this?
1157
01:07:51,442 --> 01:07:53,402
Maybe they were after my mailing lists.
1158
01:07:55,237 --> 01:07:57,406
It could be. It could be, yeah.
1159
01:07:58,574 --> 01:08:00,659
Of course, it could have been a stray dog.
1160
01:08:00,743 --> 01:08:02,620
Oh, in my hotel room in Washington,
1161
01:08:02,703 --> 01:08:04,288
a stray dog went through my medicine bag.
1162
01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:07,208
Sybil, you would not
be the first hotel guest
1163
01:08:07,291 --> 01:08:09,460
to have a maid rifle through her things.
1164
01:08:09,543 --> 01:08:11,295
Don't you think it's a bit coincidental?
1165
01:08:11,712 --> 01:08:15,216
Okay. Okay,
we will padlock the garbage cans
1166
01:08:15,299 --> 01:08:16,801
and get you a paper shredder.
1167
01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,011
-It's not funny.
-Not at all.
1168
01:08:19,095 --> 01:08:21,305
Think the neighbors
would mind the machine gun turrets?
1169
01:08:22,181 --> 01:08:24,183
Come on, Sybil, get a grip.
1170
01:08:28,771 --> 01:08:32,566
Honey, you said you were coming
to bed about three hours ago.
1171
01:08:32,650 --> 01:08:34,485
-It's 2:00 AM, you know.
-I know.
1172
01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:38,030
I got to get through
these so I can turn in my recommendations.
1173
01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:40,241
Panel meets in Washington again next week.
1174
01:08:40,491 --> 01:08:41,784
Already?
1175
01:08:42,993 --> 01:08:44,495
What is all this stuff?
1176
01:08:47,123 --> 01:08:51,919
Remember I told you the FDA is requiring
all implant manufacturers
1177
01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:53,712
to submit documents proving their safety?
1178
01:08:53,796 --> 01:08:55,005
Right.
1179
01:08:55,089 --> 01:08:56,799
Well, these are the documents.
1180
01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,636
I guess that
kind of fits into the category of,
1181
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,263
"be careful what you ask for," huh?
1182
01:09:02,346 --> 01:09:03,848
No kidding.
1183
01:09:04,223 --> 01:09:08,269
Dow Corning is only one of dozens
of companies making these things,
1184
01:09:08,769 --> 01:09:10,646
and they all sent reports.
1185
01:09:11,647 --> 01:09:13,524
At least they complied.
1186
01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:15,651
Can I help you?
1187
01:09:17,695 --> 01:09:19,864
Oh, I wish you could, honey.
1188
01:09:23,367 --> 01:09:24,910
It's the thought that counts.
1189
01:09:24,994 --> 01:09:26,078
Yeah.
1190
01:09:30,082 --> 01:09:31,250
Kathleen.
1191
01:09:31,333 --> 01:09:32,209
Oh, hi, there.
1192
01:09:32,293 --> 01:09:35,129
Kathleen, hi. Good to see you.
Let me take your bag for you.
1193
01:09:35,212 --> 01:09:38,924
-Thanks. Have you seen Sybil yet?
-Ah, I did, I did.
1194
01:09:39,008 --> 01:09:42,344
She got on an elevator followed
by two bellhops and a load of luggage.
1195
01:09:43,637 --> 01:09:44,763
So, how's it going for you?
1196
01:09:44,847 --> 01:09:46,599
Well, I'm starting to
understand the plight
1197
01:09:46,682 --> 01:09:49,643
of an overburdened government employee,
you have my condolences.
1198
01:09:50,561 --> 01:09:52,438
Actually, I didn't expect to see you here.
1199
01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:55,649
Well, I'm... I'm not here officially.
Let's, um...
1200
01:09:56,025 --> 01:09:57,860
Let's move out of the traffic here.
1201
01:09:58,903 --> 01:10:00,446
I don't understand how these companies,
1202
01:10:00,529 --> 01:10:03,365
especially the big ones like Dow,
keep track of their own paperwork.
1203
01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:05,117
They don't.
1204
01:10:13,626 --> 01:10:15,169
This is marked confidential.
1205
01:10:15,878 --> 01:10:17,463
You didn't get it from me.
1206
01:10:31,101 --> 01:10:32,937
I have to talk to you, but not here.
1207
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,439
-Hello to you, too.
-Come on.
1208
01:10:39,193 --> 01:10:41,153
What's gotten into you?
1209
01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:43,864
-Perfect.
-What?
1210
01:10:48,077 --> 01:10:49,870
And you thought I was paranoid.
1211
01:10:49,954 --> 01:10:51,538
Louis gave me this.
1212
01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:54,541
"Dow Corning's strategy notes."
1213
01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:56,919
-Good show.
-Keep reading.
1214
01:10:57,586 --> 01:11:00,923
An enemies list.
I thought this went out with Nixon.
1215
01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:03,634
Oh, my God.
1216
01:11:03,842 --> 01:11:05,344
Oh, this is great.
1217
01:11:05,427 --> 01:11:06,929
Great? Are you insane?
1218
01:11:07,012 --> 01:11:08,555
No, I am flattered.
1219
01:11:08,639 --> 01:11:12,768
I love this. Dow Corning considers
us enemies. I think I'll frame this.
1220
01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:15,229
Doesn't this make you
just a little bit nervous?
1221
01:11:15,312 --> 01:11:17,856
No, of course not.
Well, okay, a little bit.
1222
01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:19,984
But this is it.
This is what we've been waiting for.
1223
01:11:20,067 --> 01:11:21,902
We've got them,
we've really got them going.
1224
01:11:22,069 --> 01:11:23,821
Oh, I can't wait to see their faces
1225
01:11:23,904 --> 01:11:26,240
when they have to
pull those implants off the market.
1226
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,246
Lot of people here, don't you think?
1227
01:11:32,329 --> 01:11:34,415
I hear they flew in over 400 women.
1228
01:11:34,498 --> 01:11:35,457
Who?
1229
01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:38,669
The Plastic Surgeons Association.
I'm from Dallas.
1230
01:11:39,128 --> 01:11:40,921
I'm... I'm from Beverly Hills.
1231
01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:42,715
I'll see you inside, Sybil.
1232
01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:44,425
Excuse me.
1233
01:11:44,925 --> 01:11:47,177
You are Sybil Goldrich, aren't you?
1234
01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:48,387
Yes, I am.
1235
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:50,014
I was hoping to run into you.
1236
01:11:50,097 --> 01:11:51,890
Do you know
you've been scaring the hell out of women?
1237
01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:54,059
I know that I've been
giving women information
1238
01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:55,769
they're not getting anywhere else.
1239
01:11:55,853 --> 01:11:57,146
Here, you listen to me,
1240
01:11:57,229 --> 01:12:00,649
I had cancer,
and after all the surgery and the chemo,
1241
01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:03,068
getting implants was the one good
thing that happened to me.
1242
01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:06,530
I can look at myself in the mirror
and not see a cancer victim staring back.
1243
01:12:06,613 --> 01:12:08,449
Other women should have
the same opportunity.
1244
01:12:08,532 --> 01:12:11,035
Absolutely they should,
as long as the implants are safe.
1245
01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:13,537
They are safe.
Do you see any one of us complaining?
1246
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:14,747
Well, good for you,
1247
01:12:14,830 --> 01:12:16,665
but there are a lot of women,
myself included,
1248
01:12:16,749 --> 01:12:18,292
for whom it was a complete disaster.
1249
01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:20,419
Do you know that
silicone could be bleeding into your body?
1250
01:12:20,502 --> 01:12:23,088
Do you know that your
implants can become hardened and infected?
1251
01:12:23,297 --> 01:12:24,673
What are we supposed to do?
1252
01:12:24,757 --> 01:12:26,425
Live with flat chests
and mastectomy scars?
1253
01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:28,594
No, but there are other
safer alternatives.
1254
01:12:28,677 --> 01:12:31,347
Um, flap reconstruction,
for one. I've had it.
1255
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:32,723
At $35,000?
1256
01:12:32,806 --> 01:12:34,725
Do you think everyone
lives in Beverly Hills?
1257
01:12:34,808 --> 01:12:38,604
No. There are other alternatives,
saline, for example.
1258
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:40,356
Oh, they'd flatten out.
1259
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,316
You don't speak for me, Sybil.
1260
01:12:42,483 --> 01:12:44,860
And you don't speak for
the majority of women who have implants.
1261
01:12:44,943 --> 01:12:46,195
We are thrilled.
1262
01:12:46,278 --> 01:12:48,405
-Excuse me. Sybil, we have to go.
- All right.
1263
01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:50,532
No, wait, wait, wait a minute.
1264
01:12:50,699 --> 01:12:54,870
Do you realize that plastic surgeons
make $450 million a year
1265
01:12:54,953 --> 01:12:56,663
on implants that are not approved?
1266
01:12:56,747 --> 01:12:58,457
This does not communicate to me
1267
01:12:58,540 --> 01:12:59,917
that they are protecting our health.
1268
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,335
They are protecting that bounty.
1269
01:13:01,418 --> 01:13:02,711
Sybil.
1270
01:13:03,587 --> 01:13:05,672
And it is the conclusionof this panel
1271
01:13:06,173 --> 01:13:08,467
that manufacturers at this time
1272
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:11,345
have not proven
that silicone breast implants are safe.
1273
01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:14,807
However... Ladies and gentlemen... Please.
1274
01:13:18,143 --> 01:13:19,269
Thank you.
1275
01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:24,066
However, we feel the implants
serve a public health need.
1276
01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:28,112
We're asking the FDA Commissioner
to leave the implants on the market
1277
01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:30,072
while additional data is collected.
1278
01:13:32,991 --> 01:13:36,370
In the meantime,
we urge physicians to explain to women
1279
01:13:36,453 --> 01:13:38,163
that safety concerns have not been solved.
1280
01:13:38,914 --> 01:13:41,041
Implants are not risk-free.
1281
01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:44,962
Women need to know this,
so that they can give informed consent.
1282
01:13:48,757 --> 01:13:50,968
We had the manufacturers on the run.
1283
01:13:51,552 --> 01:13:52,970
Why did you let the panel back down?
1284
01:13:53,053 --> 01:13:54,847
Sybil, I'm not a voting member.
1285
01:13:54,972 --> 01:13:56,056
You should have spoken up more.
1286
01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:57,766
I spoke for informed consent,
1287
01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:59,476
which is what we've been fighting for.
1288
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:00,811
Don't you get it?
1289
01:14:00,936 --> 01:14:04,273
The FDA is urging physicians
to tell women of the risks.
1290
01:14:04,356 --> 01:14:05,691
Nobody says they have to, by law.
1291
01:14:05,774 --> 01:14:07,651
This panel can't change the law!
1292
01:14:07,734 --> 01:14:10,654
No, but it could have recommended
that the implants be taken off the market.
1293
01:14:10,737 --> 01:14:13,115
Instead, you let them off the hook
and now we're right back where we started.
1294
01:14:13,198 --> 01:14:14,533
I think you're overreacting.
1295
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:16,410
Oh, Kathleen.
1296
01:14:16,493 --> 01:14:17,953
Did you see the women in the audience?
1297
01:14:18,036 --> 01:14:20,205
The ones who were flown in
to lobby for implants.
1298
01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:21,832
Yes, Sybil, I did.
1299
01:14:21,957 --> 01:14:24,126
And those women have
a right to have implants
1300
01:14:24,209 --> 01:14:25,794
as long as they know the risks.
1301
01:14:25,878 --> 01:14:27,171
But they don't.
1302
01:14:27,421 --> 01:14:28,922
That's the point!
1303
01:14:30,507 --> 01:14:32,050
These companies are playing politics
1304
01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:35,304
in order to keep from
exposing everything that they know.
1305
01:14:35,929 --> 01:14:38,682
The only person
on this planet who seems to grasp this
1306
01:14:38,765 --> 01:14:39,892
is Joshua Norton,
1307
01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:41,643
and he's the only one
who's managed to dig deep enough.
1308
01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:43,395
Maybe you should be working with him.
1309
01:14:43,645 --> 01:14:44,938
Oh, maybe I should.
1310
01:14:46,940 --> 01:14:48,484
Let me ask you something.
1311
01:14:49,526 --> 01:14:52,821
If your implants had worked,
whose side would you be on right now?
1312
01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:55,199
I'd still want to know the risks.
1313
01:14:59,161 --> 01:15:00,329
Now where?
1314
01:15:00,412 --> 01:15:01,455
McClennon's office.
1315
01:15:01,705 --> 01:15:03,749
Before we leave,
I'd like to see if there's any way
1316
01:15:03,832 --> 01:15:06,251
to undo some of the damage
that was done here today.
1317
01:15:14,259 --> 01:15:15,719
Moving to better digs?
1318
01:15:15,802 --> 01:15:18,805
Sybil, Kathleen, hi.
I'm glad you stopped by.
1319
01:15:19,598 --> 01:15:22,142
Um, this will be better coming from me.
1320
01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:26,813
Some of my colleagues feel
that I've allowed myself
1321
01:15:26,897 --> 01:15:28,815
to get too close to Command Trust,
1322
01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:32,152
and, um, so I'm being transferred.
1323
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:37,908
Effective immediately.
1324
01:15:55,842 --> 01:15:59,721
-Kathleen, welcome to California.
-Thank you, Jimmy.
1325
01:15:59,805 --> 01:16:01,306
It's so good to finally
meet you in person.
1326
01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:02,683
You, too.
1327
01:16:03,725 --> 01:16:05,102
I'll take that.
1328
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:08,063
Thank you.
1329
01:16:08,146 --> 01:16:09,565
Come on in.
1330
01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:21,493
Your house is gorgeous.
1331
01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:22,744
Thank you.
1332
01:16:23,453 --> 01:16:25,831
Sybil should be back in a few minutes.
1333
01:16:26,873 --> 01:16:28,750
I hear Washington was rough this time.
1334
01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,753
Oh, we were almost down for the count.
1335
01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:34,089
Never seen Sybil so angry.
1336
01:16:34,464 --> 01:16:36,592
Good thing that doesn't happen very often.
1337
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:42,055
Sybil was really happy you decided
to change your mind and come out here.
1338
01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:46,059
Meeting Joshua Norton is important,
so I wanted to be here.
1339
01:16:47,728 --> 01:16:49,438
Excuse me. Girls!
1340
01:16:49,688 --> 01:16:51,023
Girls!
1341
01:16:51,106 --> 01:16:52,649
Coming.
1342
01:16:54,818 --> 01:16:56,028
-Hi.
- Hi.
1343
01:16:56,111 --> 01:16:57,696
Girls, this is Kathleen Anneken.
1344
01:16:57,779 --> 01:16:58,864
I'm Xena.
1345
01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:00,699
Your mom talks about you all the time.
1346
01:17:00,782 --> 01:17:02,075
Oh, that's scary.
1347
01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:07,080
Hi! Turn on the TV, quick.
Celia called me on the car phone.
1348
01:17:07,164 --> 01:17:08,790
Oh, I'm so glad you're here.
1349
01:17:08,874 --> 01:17:10,000
-Me, too.
-Come on.
1350
01:17:12,919 --> 01:17:15,130
Joan Brouchet sued Dow Corning
1351
01:17:15,213 --> 01:17:17,090
claiming her implants ruptured,
1352
01:17:17,174 --> 01:17:19,551
leaving her with painful medical problems.
1353
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,138
The jury awarded her $7.3 million.
1354
01:17:23,805 --> 01:17:27,684
Dow Corning's attorney Vincent Kochcalled the jury's verdict outrageous.
1355
01:17:27,768 --> 01:17:29,227
Oh, look, there's Koch.
1356
01:17:29,603 --> 01:17:33,732
Mrs. Brouchet's attorney,Joshua Norton, disagrees.
1357
01:17:33,815 --> 01:17:36,068
The jury has sent Dow Corning a message,
1358
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,154
"You cannot sacrifice the health of womento enhance your balance sheet."
1359
01:17:39,237 --> 01:17:40,947
-Excuse us.
- Are you satisfied with that?
1360
01:17:41,031 --> 01:17:42,407
Yes, we are. Thank you very much.
1361
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,746
Norton used Dow Corning's own documentsto discredit the company's case.
1362
01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:50,415
Boy, would I like to get
a hold of those documents.
1363
01:17:53,502 --> 01:17:55,003
Do you ever eat sitting down?
1364
01:17:55,087 --> 01:17:56,797
You know what they say,
"You snooze, you lose."
1365
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,882
I thought I would see you yesterday.
What happened?
1366
01:17:58,965 --> 01:18:01,593
The verdict came out at what time, 4:00?
1367
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:02,844
I know.
1368
01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:05,389
I expected to see
Sybil camped outside my office door.
1369
01:18:05,472 --> 01:18:06,723
Very funny.
1370
01:18:06,807 --> 01:18:09,017
If the FDA Commissioner
saw those documents,
1371
01:18:09,101 --> 01:18:10,977
he may pull the
plug on implants once and for all.
1372
01:18:11,061 --> 01:18:12,771
You know I'm bound by a court order.
1373
01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:15,065
But just think about
the women whose lives would be changed.
1374
01:18:15,148 --> 01:18:18,026
Sybil, you really want
to see me in prison?
1375
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:20,654
'Cause that's where I'll be if the judge
were to find me in contempt.
1376
01:18:20,737 --> 01:18:22,948
Not to mention,
putting my license on the line.
1377
01:18:23,031 --> 01:18:24,825
This isn't just about you.
1378
01:18:24,908 --> 01:18:26,785
And this isn't just your fight, Sybil.
1379
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,955
I've worked for years on these cases.
Don't tell me I don't care.
1380
01:18:31,456 --> 01:18:33,458
The FDA knows how I won those cases.
1381
01:18:33,542 --> 01:18:35,001
Now why aren't they
asking the tough questions,
1382
01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:37,629
with all these hearings
you're going to all the time?
1383
01:18:38,004 --> 01:18:39,881
What should we do now?
1384
01:18:40,215 --> 01:18:42,926
Well, if I were you, I'd think about
filing a class action suit.
1385
01:18:43,009 --> 01:18:44,845
Oh, so the lawyers make lots of money
1386
01:18:44,928 --> 01:18:46,388
after about a zillion
years of litigation.
1387
01:18:46,471 --> 01:18:48,932
One way to go. Who knows?
1388
01:18:49,391 --> 01:18:51,059
Shake enough people up,
1389
01:18:51,184 --> 01:18:53,854
maybe somebody on the inside
will pass you the information.
1390
01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:58,817
The real truth, it takes all of us going
at it from all the angles.
1391
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:02,529
And I know you don't want to hear this,
but it takes time.
1392
01:19:02,779 --> 01:19:04,322
I got to go.
1393
01:19:08,869 --> 01:19:10,454
This is my son Brad.
1394
01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:12,414
Oh, he's cute.
1395
01:19:12,497 --> 01:19:14,124
Yeah. Next time bring him out.
1396
01:19:14,207 --> 01:19:16,293
Maybe we should file a class action suit.
1397
01:19:16,418 --> 01:19:17,544
What do you think, Jim?
1398
01:19:17,627 --> 01:19:19,504
Have you noticed my wife
has a one-track mind?
1399
01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:21,089
-No, does she?
-Mmm-hmm.
1400
01:19:22,632 --> 01:19:24,050
I like this.
1401
01:19:24,134 --> 01:19:25,594
You didn't finish your joke.
1402
01:19:27,471 --> 01:19:28,680
Hello.
1403
01:19:28,764 --> 01:19:31,391
I'm looking for Command Trust.Is this Sybil Goldrich?
1404
01:19:31,558 --> 01:19:33,769
Yes, it is. Who is this?
1405
01:19:33,852 --> 01:19:37,147
I worked for the Razon Corporation.Do you know what that is?
1406
01:19:40,817 --> 01:19:44,905
Ah, well, among other things,
Razon manufactures implants.
1407
01:19:45,864 --> 01:19:47,157
Is there...
1408
01:19:47,991 --> 01:19:49,576
Something that I can do for you?
1409
01:19:49,868 --> 01:19:51,328
I don't want to talk on the phone.
1410
01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:54,539
Can you meet me somewhere? Tomorrow?
1411
01:19:55,457 --> 01:19:57,042
I don't like this.
1412
01:19:57,459 --> 01:19:59,503
It is a little cloak-and-dagger.
1413
01:19:59,586 --> 01:20:00,962
We're just going to talk.
1414
01:20:01,046 --> 01:20:03,673
Make sure you're both there at all times.
1415
01:20:03,757 --> 01:20:06,927
And meet publicly,
preferably in front of a police station.
1416
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:08,720
Now who's paranoid?
1417
01:20:08,804 --> 01:20:10,972
This guy could be a real nutcase.
1418
01:20:11,056 --> 01:20:13,308
Jimmy, he's fine.
He's just a little nervous.
1419
01:20:14,309 --> 01:20:16,728
Look, I got to go.
Will you call me as soon...
1420
01:20:17,103 --> 01:20:18,730
...as you get home, immediately?
1421
01:20:31,201 --> 01:20:33,829
Did he say what he'd be wearing
or what he looked like?
1422
01:20:33,912 --> 01:20:35,372
Tall, light hair, light eyes.
1423
01:20:35,455 --> 01:20:36,957
Well, that narrows it down.
1424
01:20:43,129 --> 01:20:44,506
Mr. Ivey?
1425
01:20:45,966 --> 01:20:48,885
Sybil Goldrich. This is Kathleen Anneken.
1426
01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:50,679
-Hi.
-Nice to meet you.
1427
01:20:51,805 --> 01:20:53,807
I'm... I'm nervous about this.
1428
01:20:53,890 --> 01:20:55,225
You should've seen my husband.
1429
01:20:56,935 --> 01:20:58,520
What did you do for Razon?
1430
01:20:58,603 --> 01:21:00,021
Uh, consumer affairs.
1431
01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:03,191
I'd handle calls
from women whose implants had ruptured.
1432
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,694
These were women who
couldn't afford replacements,
1433
01:21:05,777 --> 01:21:07,237
so surgeons would have them call us,
1434
01:21:07,904 --> 01:21:09,489
to see if the company would do something.
1435
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:11,116
And did it?
1436
01:21:11,491 --> 01:21:13,952
We were told to say
we'd never had any complaints before,
1437
01:21:14,619 --> 01:21:16,121
which is a lie.
1438
01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:20,000
Then the company
would agree to replace the implants,
1439
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,919
as long as the women signed releases
protecting us from lawsuits.
1440
01:21:23,587 --> 01:21:24,671
And they signed?
1441
01:21:24,963 --> 01:21:26,047
Yes.
1442
01:21:26,798 --> 01:21:28,466
I didn't want to make a fuss, but...
1443
01:21:28,842 --> 01:21:30,176
After a while, I just felt too bad
1444
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:33,388
about what the company was making
me say to these women, so I quit.
1445
01:21:33,805 --> 01:21:35,140
Mr. Ivey, with your help,
1446
01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:38,935
we could tell your story
to our 15,000 women on our mailing list.
1447
01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:43,940
Come on, Dave. Make a little fuss.
1448
01:21:48,737 --> 01:21:50,530
Command Trust Network.
1449
01:21:50,822 --> 01:21:52,032
Sybil?
1450
01:21:52,365 --> 01:21:54,492
Yeah, I'm writing Dave's story right now.
1451
01:21:56,036 --> 01:21:57,287
Where?
1452
01:21:58,246 --> 01:22:00,373
CNN? Hold on, let me turn it on.
1453
01:22:00,457 --> 01:22:04,002
...about the implants thatamplifies our concerns about their safety.
1454
01:22:04,586 --> 01:22:07,672
Therefore I'm askingphysicians to cease using gel implants.
1455
01:22:08,131 --> 01:22:09,633
-As physicians...
-Yes!
1456
01:22:09,716 --> 01:22:12,218
...our first obligation is to do no harm.
1457
01:22:12,552 --> 01:22:14,429
I'm also asking manufacturers
1458
01:22:14,512 --> 01:22:17,307
to stop distributingthese products during this period.
1459
01:22:17,849 --> 01:22:19,100
Did you hear that?
1460
01:22:19,184 --> 01:22:21,686
Mmm-hmm. Do you think
Joshua Norton gave him those papers?
1461
01:22:22,062 --> 01:22:23,188
I don't know.
1462
01:22:23,271 --> 01:22:24,814
We still do not know how oftenthe implants leak...
1463
01:22:31,154 --> 01:22:32,447
-Thanks for that.
-You're welcome.
1464
01:22:32,530 --> 01:22:34,282
-See you tomorrow.
-Any time.
1465
01:22:38,536 --> 01:22:41,247
You turned those
documents over to the FDA Commissioner.
1466
01:22:41,331 --> 01:22:42,457
Did he say that?
1467
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:44,709
No, but how else could he have them?
1468
01:22:44,793 --> 01:22:46,169
You got me.
1469
01:22:46,461 --> 01:22:48,171
You may not hold lawyers
in high regard, Sybil,
1470
01:22:48,254 --> 01:22:50,298
but some of us
actually do believe in obeying the law.
1471
01:22:50,382 --> 01:22:53,635
That's right, and I do hold some
lawyers in high regard, like you.
1472
01:22:54,427 --> 01:22:56,388
When will the documents be made public?
1473
01:22:56,471 --> 01:22:58,056
My estimation, a couple of weeks.
1474
01:22:58,515 --> 01:23:00,100
Wish I didn't have to wait.
1475
01:23:00,308 --> 01:23:03,144
You are one persistent woman.
1476
01:23:05,021 --> 01:23:06,106
Okay.
1477
01:23:07,232 --> 01:23:09,526
The documents are letters
from plastic surgeons,
1478
01:23:09,901 --> 01:23:12,028
writing to Dow, complaining about
1479
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,280
implant ruptures, leaks and so on.
1480
01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:16,658
There were memos from
Dow's own scientists,
1481
01:23:16,741 --> 01:23:18,660
pleading with the company
to conduct safety studies.
1482
01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:21,413
Let me guess, Dow Corning stonewalled?
1483
01:23:21,496 --> 01:23:23,540
Pretty much.
They put off the safety studies,
1484
01:23:23,623 --> 01:23:25,500
and the studies they did conduct
were ludicrous.
1485
01:23:25,583 --> 01:23:27,419
They put mini implants into dogs,
1486
01:23:27,794 --> 01:23:29,713
then published an article
saying there was no problem.
1487
01:23:30,088 --> 01:23:32,132
Dogs? We don't even rate primates.
1488
01:23:32,215 --> 01:23:33,341
Guess not.
1489
01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:35,552
But get this, within a year,
one of the dogs died,
1490
01:23:35,969 --> 01:23:37,679
and the other three were in bad shape.
1491
01:23:38,722 --> 01:23:40,974
What's going to happen
when this information hits the streets?
1492
01:23:41,057 --> 01:23:42,517
Oh, I don't think there's any question.
1493
01:23:42,726 --> 01:23:44,144
Dow will be buried in litigation.
1494
01:23:44,227 --> 01:23:46,104
And sure, class action suit will be filed.
1495
01:23:46,187 --> 01:23:48,398
But will any of
the women who deserve the compensation
1496
01:23:48,481 --> 01:23:49,691
see the money?
1497
01:23:50,859 --> 01:23:53,862
Sybil, if you have anything
to say about it, and I'm sure you will,
1498
01:23:54,487 --> 01:23:56,448
those women will be fine.
1499
01:23:58,158 --> 01:23:59,826
-Good luck.
-Thank you.
1500
01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:15,216
Just remember,
we're here to find out who's eligible
1501
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,136
for the class action lawsuit,
that's all, okay?
1502
01:24:18,219 --> 01:24:20,680
Act like I'm going to start
a riot or something, why don't you?
1503
01:24:23,516 --> 01:24:25,185
Your Honor,
many of the plaintiffs,
1504
01:24:25,268 --> 01:24:27,353
especially those in financial difficulty,
1505
01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:29,689
turned to the manufacturer for help.
1506
01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:32,025
And they were adequately compensated
1507
01:24:32,108 --> 01:24:33,401
by the manufacturers, Your Honor.
1508
01:24:33,485 --> 01:24:35,111
There's no need
to include them in this suit.
1509
01:24:35,737 --> 01:24:39,240
Mr. Koch, compensation
alone is not going to exclude these women
1510
01:24:39,324 --> 01:24:41,659
from a class action suit,
you should know that.
1511
01:24:43,203 --> 01:24:44,204
Ms. Fleming,
1512
01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:48,458
what would it cost a woman
to remove and replace ruptured implants?
1513
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:50,335
Um... Do we have these figures?
1514
01:24:52,212 --> 01:24:53,213
No.
1515
01:24:53,713 --> 01:24:56,508
Your Honor, I don't have the exact figure
in front of me at the moment.
1516
01:24:56,591 --> 01:24:59,969
If I may, Your Honor, about $4,000.
1517
01:25:00,178 --> 01:25:01,304
No way.
1518
01:25:01,387 --> 01:25:03,473
-Sybil, give the lawyers a chance.
-All right, all right.
1519
01:25:03,556 --> 01:25:08,186
Fine. If women received $4,000
or less from the manufacturers,
1520
01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:09,813
we'll say they can participate
in the settlement.
1521
01:25:09,896 --> 01:25:13,108
If they received more than
the ceiling amount, they are excluded.
1522
01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:14,943
Excuse me, Your Honor.
1523
01:25:16,027 --> 01:25:17,278
And who are you?
1524
01:25:17,362 --> 01:25:19,197
Sybil Goldrich, Command Trust.
1525
01:25:19,531 --> 01:25:23,326
Uh, the standard fee
for implant removal is $5,000,
1526
01:25:23,493 --> 01:25:26,079
but that is before anesthesia
and additional care.
1527
01:25:26,162 --> 01:25:29,457
So, the ceiling, in my opinion,
should be at least $10,000.
1528
01:25:29,541 --> 01:25:31,251
Your Honor, please.
1529
01:25:31,334 --> 01:25:34,796
Raising the ceiling is going to add many
more women to the settlement.
1530
01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:38,216
No, no, no.
That's not my concern at this point.
1531
01:25:39,134 --> 01:25:41,928
If Ms. Goldrich is correct in her figures,
1532
01:25:42,011 --> 01:25:44,639
and incidentally,
it would behoove plaintiff's attorneys
1533
01:25:44,722 --> 01:25:46,182
to confirm these numbers,
1534
01:25:46,724 --> 01:25:48,893
then $10,000 it will be.
1535
01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:58,778
There's an advisory committee
for the class action suit, right?
1536
01:25:58,862 --> 01:26:00,864
To help determine the monetary award.
1537
01:26:01,072 --> 01:26:02,365
We want to be on it.
1538
01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:04,617
No, it's limited to attorneys.
1539
01:26:04,701 --> 01:26:06,953
None of you knew
the price of implant surgery.
1540
01:26:07,036 --> 01:26:09,539
I mean, where would we be
if Sybil hadn't spoken up?
1541
01:26:09,664 --> 01:26:13,001
Okay. But do me a favor, will you?
1542
01:26:13,084 --> 01:26:15,795
The next time you sit in on a proceeding,
just pass me a note.
1543
01:26:15,879 --> 01:26:17,505
Don't go off like a loose cannon.
1544
01:26:17,589 --> 01:26:19,674
Well, I don't have any problem with that.
1545
01:26:20,341 --> 01:26:21,509
Okay.
1546
01:26:21,593 --> 01:26:24,888
And if you believe that,
I've got some nice swampland in Florida.
1547
01:26:33,313 --> 01:26:35,940
Oh, God, I love New York!
1548
01:26:36,524 --> 01:26:39,777
Even the street vendors are,
I don't know, special.
1549
01:26:41,154 --> 01:26:43,281
-Do you have 50 cents?
-Allow me.
1550
01:26:45,158 --> 01:26:46,743
Is this your idea of a payoff?
1551
01:26:46,826 --> 01:26:48,620
I'll have a regular coffee, please.
1552
01:26:48,703 --> 01:26:53,291
Well, you ladies won a minor skirmish
today in a long, very long war.
1553
01:26:53,458 --> 01:26:55,418
A war you seem to be losing.
1554
01:26:55,501 --> 01:26:58,171
If you count the courts,
the press, public opinion,
1555
01:26:58,254 --> 01:27:00,590
and, oh, yes, the scientific community.
1556
01:27:01,007 --> 01:27:02,675
It's a funny thing about public opinion.
1557
01:27:02,759 --> 01:27:06,054
It can turn on a dime, so can the press.
You can ask any politician.
1558
01:27:06,137 --> 01:27:09,557
Courts, well, they reverse
their opinions every day. Thank you.
1559
01:27:10,767 --> 01:27:13,311
And as for the so-called
scientific community,
1560
01:27:13,561 --> 01:27:16,064
hell, we have a staff full of scientists.
1561
01:27:16,147 --> 01:27:17,523
What's that supposed to mean?
1562
01:27:18,066 --> 01:27:22,570
It means that that dollar is the only
money you're ever going to see from Dow.
1563
01:27:23,321 --> 01:27:25,073
Have a nice day.
1564
01:27:27,533 --> 01:27:28,952
What are you thinking?
1565
01:27:29,869 --> 01:27:31,246
Nothing that's legal.
1566
01:27:39,504 --> 01:27:42,340
You know, the problem with
this whole thing is that
1567
01:27:42,423 --> 01:27:45,134
women have been kept
from hearing the truth about implants,
1568
01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:48,137
and here we are, barred from hearing
the judge's decision first-hand.
1569
01:27:48,221 --> 01:27:50,306
I know. It's unfair.
1570
01:27:50,556 --> 01:27:52,392
I'm hungry. You hungry?
1571
01:27:52,475 --> 01:27:54,644
Lord, no. I am too keyed up to eat.
1572
01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:56,854
I could go for a chopped salad.
1573
01:27:57,063 --> 01:27:59,607
-With dressing on the side?
1574
01:28:02,819 --> 01:28:04,362
Do you think
1575
01:28:05,488 --> 01:28:09,200
if we met under different circumstances,
we'd still be friends?
1576
01:28:10,618 --> 01:28:11,911
I don't know.
1577
01:28:13,454 --> 01:28:15,498
I do know that
if I had to do it all over again,
1578
01:28:15,581 --> 01:28:17,834
it's the one thing that
I would never change.
1579
01:28:19,502 --> 01:28:20,586
Me either.
1580
01:28:24,799 --> 01:28:26,884
-Sybil Goldrich?
-Yes.
1581
01:28:26,968 --> 01:28:28,261
I'm Anne Connor.
1582
01:28:28,928 --> 01:28:31,681
-Have we met?
- Not officially.
1583
01:28:32,807 --> 01:28:35,018
I'm the one
who confronted you at the FDA hearing.
1584
01:28:35,476 --> 01:28:37,228
The one who said,
"You don't speak for me."
1585
01:28:38,646 --> 01:28:40,815
Yes, Anne, how could I forget you?
1586
01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:43,109
This is Kathleen Anneken.
1587
01:28:43,192 --> 01:28:44,902
-How do you do?
-Hello.
1588
01:28:45,486 --> 01:28:47,405
So, what brings you to New York?
1589
01:28:47,488 --> 01:28:48,865
The class action suit.
1590
01:28:49,615 --> 01:28:51,868
And I was hoping
for a chance to apologize to you.
1591
01:28:54,078 --> 01:28:56,873
About a year after we met,
one of my implants ruptured.
1592
01:28:58,333 --> 01:29:00,918
So I guess you really
do speak for me after all.
1593
01:29:01,878 --> 01:29:03,463
Anyway, I'm sorry.
1594
01:29:03,546 --> 01:29:05,048
Oh, so am I.
1595
01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:07,216
I really am. I'm very sorry, Anne.
1596
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:08,593
Thank you.
1597
01:29:10,261 --> 01:29:11,763
-We did it.
-What?
1598
01:29:11,846 --> 01:29:13,139
We got an agreement.
1599
01:29:13,931 --> 01:29:17,352
For breast implant victims, $4.2 billion.
1600
01:29:18,686 --> 01:29:22,607
Yeah, Dow Corning's got
to pay about half of it, about $2 billion.
1601
01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:26,319
Looks to be the largest
class action settlement in history.
1602
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:28,363
Yeah.
1603
01:29:35,495 --> 01:29:38,706
There have beenmany changes since I last testified here.
1604
01:29:39,499 --> 01:29:43,878
Many of you are critical of the
FDA's moratorium on silicone implants.
1605
01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:47,465
But I speak to you as a cancer patient.
1606
01:29:48,132 --> 01:29:50,009
I survived my cancer,
1607
01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:51,886
but I have been continually plagued
1608
01:29:51,969 --> 01:29:54,639
with problems arising
from the silicone implants
1609
01:29:54,722 --> 01:29:56,808
I used for my breast reconstruction.
1610
01:29:57,391 --> 01:30:01,145
My medical records
describe me as an implant failure.
1611
01:30:01,979 --> 01:30:07,110
I do not accept that description.
The implants failed me.
1612
01:30:08,861 --> 01:30:13,241
Thirty years after the release
of breast implants on the market,
1613
01:30:13,324 --> 01:30:17,745
there are still no valid scientific
studies to prove the product's safe.
1614
01:30:18,704 --> 01:30:22,291
Not proven unsafe, not proven ineffective,
1615
01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:25,461
is not the standard,
never was the standard,
1616
01:30:25,545 --> 01:30:27,171
should never be the standard.
1617
01:30:27,505 --> 01:30:32,510
The rule to be proven safe
must never be altered.
1618
01:30:33,511 --> 01:30:37,306
We are, all of us,
entitled to that safeguard.
1619
01:30:38,432 --> 01:30:39,642
Thank you.
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