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Yeah and two.
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Yeah. One, two, one, two, one, two.
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One, two, one, two, one, two.
Hello, hello, hello. Hello, hello.
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Okay. I think we're good.
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So, before we start,
I just wanna ask you, how's your memory?
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It's pretty good in some places and
absolutely completely nonexistent on others.
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I mean I can remember some things,
but not other things.
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But then it's written down
usually somewhere.
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What do I tell you?
I can't remember much of it, to be honest.
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Everybody has selective memories,
you know.
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And in the end I just think,
"Oh, what the hell?"
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I say that old adage,
"Never let the truth spoil a good story".
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With me, we cover a lot of ground,
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and it'll just be natural, you know.
Whatever happens...
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- Have you got a light?
- Yeah, sure.
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Oh, I got one.
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Well, I don't know whether
it's gonna be mystifying, you think?
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I suppose it's not gonna be
a glorification either.
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Above all, it should be entertaining,
and it should be fun
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because that's what the band was.
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I'm amazed by it myself. I mean, it's...
You know what I mean?
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It's almost a fairy story, you know?
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Take three.
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Last week New York City finally got
to see and hear the Rolling Stones.
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We were the last stop on a tour that
took them into 30 cities in about six weeks,
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it's a gruelling trip.
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I went to Madison Square Garden to meet
Mick Jagger, the singer with the group,
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a fascinating man.
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He's been described variously as
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the "supreme sexual object
in modern Western culture
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"with a compound of menace and energy,"
a "sadomasochistic freak" and a "pussycat,"
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various other things.
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We have for you tonight an impression,
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and I think a fairly accurate one,
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of what goes on outside, inside
and backstage at Madison Square Garden
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when the Rolling Stones are in town.
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As you look at this it's literally only minutes
until he goes outside onto a stage
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and exudes solid energy to 20,000 people.
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Notice how calm we both are even
though he had 20,000 people waiting,
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and I had three listless staff members
waiting for a cab for me.
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Can you sort of tell me where,
my way around in here?
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I don't know who's who and what's what.
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Doesn't all this upset you? All these people?
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- Yeah, it's a great crowd for a morning show.
- Yeah.
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How did you sleep
after opening night last night?
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Not very well.
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Say, I don't know
if I was supposed to see this or not,
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but there was a plate
of something going around,
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people offering little pills.
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- Vitamins and salt.
- Vitamins and salt pills.
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- Yeah.
- That's what they told me they were.
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- Yeah, A, E, C, and salt.
- But naturally I... Yeah.
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Drink the salt with plenty of water.
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Yeah. Will that help?
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Do you want to do it all now, Dick?
Excuse me if we can cut.
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- Yeah we can cut.
- Because I've gotta get ready.
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How much has your technique and
your sense of timing developed,
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do you reckon, over the last five or six years?
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Oh, you talk to me like an actor,
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you know, I don't understand anything
about all those things,
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I just go on and do it,
I don't know about timing or anything.
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You give me the impression,
and I've watched you,
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of whether it's conscious or not, of being
a very, very shrewd, professional performer.
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No, it's not true.
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Water.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the Rolling Stones.
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All right! Good afternoon!
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So let's recap on the Rolling Stones,
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how did you all get together
in the first place?
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I think they all met in clubs,
in London jazz clubs.
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Actually, I answered an advert
for a bass player that was up,
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but the rest of them got together individually
in jazz clubs and formed a sort of group.
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- And we move on now to Brian.
- Oh, hello.
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Brian, how long have you been
with the Rolling Stones,
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are you one of the original members?
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Yes, one of the original members.
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What were you doing before you joined?
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Well, just sort of bumming around
waiting for something to happen, really.
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I had quite a few jobs,
and I was trying to get a band going,
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but it was unsuccessful
until I met up with Mick and Keith.
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Do you think that perhaps the general public
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started getting maybe a little bit tired of
the Beatles and looked for something new?
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No, I don't know about that.
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What could you say to a thing like that?
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Things started happening for us.
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Well, why did they start happening?
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I don't really know.
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Something sort of... Chemical reaction
seems to have happened somehow.
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What would you say happened?
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I really don't know.
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The rise to popularity in London,
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well the rise to popularity in the world
was very short.
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The first night there was about 80 people.
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The second night there was about 120,
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and the third night there were queues
outside and they couldn't all get in.
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When you saw those crowds growing
every week,
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you knew that you were
striking a bell somewhere, you know,
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and that something was happening.
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Would you know why England became
the pop centre?
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It just happened that England
had the right type of sound
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and the right sort of visual image
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that the kids over the world
wanted at a particular time.
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I think between Mick, Brian and me,
we had a feeling,
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the idea to put a band that was
a little less show business
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was exactly at the right time.
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The show biz angle just was boring to us.
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Thank you!
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Of course we have to talk
about Andrew Oldham,
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who had been working for Brian Epstein
with the Beatles.
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He went around London and he heard
we were kicking up a storm in some clubs.
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He just looked around and said, "Hey,
there can't be just one band in England".
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Andrew wanted to make the Rolling Stones
the anti-Beatles,
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so if you got heroes,
you've got an anti-hero like in a movie.
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You got good guys and bad guys.
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Andrew decided that the Rolling Stones
were the bad guys.
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It wasn't just an accident.
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He thought the Rolling Stones
would suit that image.
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It helped to have people that go along with it
or will fit the bill.
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It's good to have an actor
who'll play the part.
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"We want the Stones! We want Mick!"
"We want the Stones! We want Mick!"
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It started, man, on the first tour,
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halfway through things start to get crazy.
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We didn't play a show after that
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that ever was completed,
I think, for two or three years.
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We would take bets
on how long a show would last.
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You know, "You're on. Ten minutes".
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And sure enough, wave after wave,
some of them are fainting,
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so the cops, and people and the attendants
are dragging them out on stage,
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you know what I mean.
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I could see the water just running
down between the seats.
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It was just a flood of urine
pouring down the girls.
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All the girls in the audience
were wetting themselves.
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Girls wet themselves when they get excited.
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There were like these tiny, little girls
that would get in there
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and just scream
and you couldn't hear anything.
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I just was mouthing it,
hoping it was gonna be okay.
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Brian and I,
we'd play Popeye the Sailor Man.
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And then wait for the shit to hit the fan.
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And you stayed there for as long as
you could before it got besieged, you know?
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And then you did a runner.
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Getting in and out
was the big deal of the day.
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I hated that.
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I hated being chased by girls and all that.
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I really, it used to really embarrass me.
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I wish I could have turned it off
when the show stopped.
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Has there ever been a time in the crowds
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and getting into theatres
and away from them
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that you've really had the wind up your sails
on occasion,
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though you really were gonna be cut off
from getting caught in the crowd.
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Last night was bad.
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Last night's a good example.
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What is your worst experience?
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We knocked a policeman off his bike,
broke his leg or something.
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Yeah, he's very cool, isn't he,
he's very cool on his bike.
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That's why we ran into him.
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I guess the Rolling Stones
aren't everyone's cup of tea,
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and that's the understatement of the year.
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There are whole armies of parents
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who've become almost homicidal
at the sight of them.
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Both on the stage and off,
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the Stones don't exactly generate
an aura of sweetness and light.
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And their carefully calculated air of,
"Blow you, Jack"
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has won them almost
as many enemies as fans.
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The Beatles are loved
by pretty well everybody
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from the mums down to the teenagers,
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but what's your real appeal to the fans,
do you think?
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You do tend to present a sort
of yobo-ish image, you know.
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Moronic, I think, is the best word.
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- Yes, moronic...
- What's he talking about?
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But the thing is that you've all had
very good educations.
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I mean, why do you present this image?
Is it deliberate or is it a sort of...
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There are lots of morons at grammar schools,
you know.
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Wish this was all on film, man,
it could be great.
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You see, you're thrust into the limelight
in a youth-orientated thing.
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It's not about growing up,
it's about not growing up, in a way.
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Then it's about bad behaviour.
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Then you're about bad behaviour,
so then you start behaving badly.
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It was the weirdest situation.
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If you if you did something wrong,
even better.
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And the Beatles got the white hat, you know.
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What's left? The black hat.
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We never abided by any rules
that were gentlemanly things.
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Never did it.
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That was part and parcel of why
we just got ostracised by everyone.
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People, they used to shout at us.
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"You're a load of girls,"
and "Get your bloody hair cut!"
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And all this, you know, "Ha, ha, ha,"
make jokes about us,
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you just see them all laughing,
pointing and all that.
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It's obvious that you don't get your hair cut,
but do you get it trimmed from time to time?
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Yes, I do. Last night, last night.
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Last night? Certainly grown a lot since then.
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We were just refusing to conform
to what everybody wanted us to be.
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This particular hotel manager was just
sort of trying to be a bit over-officious.
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And I don't, honestly and sincerely,
don't have a tie, you see.
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I used to wear a tie,
but the boys didn't wear ties,
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and I thought I'd looked a bit out
if I wore one, so I stopped wearing them.
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Brian used to get upset
when they used to say,
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"I stood next to 'em and I could see
the fleas jumping off of their hair".
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They used to call us "Neanderthals"
and "The ugliest group in the world".
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What sort of words
have you been called, in fact?
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- The four-letter words?
- No, the ones that are repeatable.
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We've been called just about everything
from beautiful to revolting.
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Brian was a very clever musician.
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He played bottleneck guitar,
electric, and nobody did that.
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Well, except in America,
but I mean nobody did it in London.
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He'd had more experience, I think, in playing,
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so he had some level
of musical accomplishment
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that really Keith and I really didn't.
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Brian and Keith had the worst humour.
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Cause they used to call
ordinary working people "Ernies,"
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and Brian always used to put his nose down
like this
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and put his ears out and talk like that.
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You know, like working people.
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Oh, they were awful.
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Shit, by then they were like jerking it up,
you know.
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I mean, it was them against us
in the most obvious way,
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you know what I mean?
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Sort of, I don't know, perverted anarchy.
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What about the standard charge
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that no one would let their daughter
marry a Rolling Stone,
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but they wouldn't mind if the daughter
married a Beatle?
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- Here's the living proof.
- Two of them already did, you know.
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- I married one.
- You married a Rolling Stone?
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What's this about you walking around
in bathing suits
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and being over those girls in Texas.
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No, it was in Florida. No, it was in Georgia!
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And what can you expect from Georgia?
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Georgia is full of idiots.
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You're always being accused of being
vulgar, obstinate and hostile. Are you?
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That's right, yes.
232
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We're uncouth and obstinate.
233
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Hostile, maybe,
but I don't think vulgar and hostile.
234
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- Hostile when we're approached by...
- So many people don't like the truth, man.
235
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What do you give credit
for your success now? What is it?
236
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- Music.
- Music?
237
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- Music.
- Our records.
238
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Anything that you'd like to say right
now before the camera rolls out?
239
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- Good-bye!
- Good-bye!
240
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How much of your act is acting?
241
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Well, I suppose really all of it is acting,
you know.
242
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But it really there's a difference
between acting and not enjoying it
243
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and acting and just doing
what you want to do.
244
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It's like getting into a part.
245
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As a singer and doing a performance,
246
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you've gotta be very finely attuned
to what's going on in the audience.
247
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Little Richard literally taught me this stuff.
248
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I watched how he would
harangue the crowd almost.
249
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He would tease them.
250
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"Everybody stand up! I said stand up!"
You know, and they would.
251
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He was outrageous.
But it kept it all alive, you know,
252
00:25:19,965 --> 00:25:22,024
and you never quite knew
what was going to happen.
253
00:25:39,618 --> 00:25:41,848
In those days, we only played covers.
254
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The first album's all covers.
255
00:25:45,224 --> 00:25:46,486
I remember having to discussion,
256
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"Well, what are we gonna do now,
we can't make a second album of covers".
257
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We already knew we'd come to the wall there.
258
00:25:54,199 --> 00:25:55,826
Andrew Oldham said,
259
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"If you want to keep going, you've gotta...
You need new material."
260
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Well, this is something
I couldn't have conceived.
261
00:26:03,442 --> 00:26:06,934
I was songwriter, it's like, hey,
the blacksmith does the ironwork,
262
00:26:07,379 --> 00:26:10,280
and the horse wears 'em,
you know what I mean?
263
00:26:12,184 --> 00:26:16,746
Suddenly, you know, just playing guitar
and playing blues,
264
00:26:16,822 --> 00:26:18,949
suddenly wasn't enough, you know.
265
00:26:19,825 --> 00:26:23,192
Now I wanted to invent things for me to play.
266
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Write it on the top of this. Yeah.
267
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I know, sometimes we can duplicate.
268
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,371
- Sitting on a fence.
- Sitting on a fence?
269
00:26:39,278 --> 00:26:42,247
It's very hard to play the proper title.
270
00:26:42,314 --> 00:26:44,612
That's easy, that's good. That's all right.
271
00:26:44,716 --> 00:26:47,981
But I just wanted to make it like
he was sitting on a fence
272
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and couldn't make up his mind
between one girl and the other.
273
00:26:50,188 --> 00:26:52,952
And he couldn't stand sitting on the fence
because it was getting very painful.
274
00:26:56,161 --> 00:26:58,527
We'd started experimenting with writing.
275
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Well, we weren't maybe very good at it.
276
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But we were trying.
You know, maybe not everybody can write.
277
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:13,937
We went on to write a whole load of crap.
278
00:27:16,882 --> 00:27:20,113
And we didn't dare
for months, and months, and months
279
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to write a song for the Stones, you know.
280
00:27:22,621 --> 00:27:26,022
Oh, God, man, that's a whole other trip,
you know.
281
00:27:37,035 --> 00:27:41,529
The first song I remember writing
with the Rolling Stones was Tell Me,
282
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which is a tiny, minor, mini hit.
283
00:27:45,577 --> 00:27:49,707
You know, it was very gratifying
because we'd only done these cover songs.
284
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Every little moment we had
of hanging around,
285
00:28:12,871 --> 00:28:15,635
Keith and I used to be sitting
with guitars trying to write songs.
286
00:28:15,707 --> 00:28:19,336
We wrote songs all the time.
We were constantly coming up with ideas.
287
00:28:19,411 --> 00:28:22,608
We started writing songs that were reflective
of the time we were living in
288
00:28:22,681 --> 00:28:25,343
and that struck a chord with our audience.
289
00:28:39,998 --> 00:28:42,558
And you're connecting,
you're getting a lot of feedback.
290
00:28:42,634 --> 00:28:44,625
I mean, you're feeling
what the audience is feeling.
291
00:28:44,703 --> 00:28:50,005
So you're, you're exchanging
with the audience a kind of ideas stream.
292
00:29:22,641 --> 00:29:24,165
What's your opinion of the Rolling Stones?
293
00:29:24,242 --> 00:29:26,210
I think that they're the greatest,
they dress different,
294
00:29:26,278 --> 00:29:28,974
and they're the best thing to ever happen
in the United States.
295
00:29:29,081 --> 00:29:30,571
They're so ugly that they're appealing.
296
00:29:34,286 --> 00:29:36,914
What would happen
if they took the Rolling Stones
297
00:29:36,988 --> 00:29:40,583
and all these other rock and rollers away.
What would happen to you kids?
298
00:29:40,892 --> 00:29:43,793
I don't know, these parents would
be very happy, I can tell you that much.
299
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:50,927
How's your popularity in Europe
at this moment?
300
00:29:51,069 --> 00:29:53,037
Very good, I think. Very healthy.
301
00:30:18,697 --> 00:30:22,155
The kids are looking for something else,
or some different moral value,
302
00:30:22,234 --> 00:30:23,895
they gotta strive for something else,
303
00:30:23,969 --> 00:30:27,336
instead ofjust the same routine
their parents were born into.
304
00:30:27,405 --> 00:30:29,236
Splash on Ice Blue Aqua Velva.
305
00:30:47,792 --> 00:30:49,384
Creamy lather!
306
00:30:57,169 --> 00:31:01,071
I can't express myself in the right way
when I feel satisfied with the world.
307
00:31:04,809 --> 00:31:09,576
It's very easy if I feel very dissatisfied
with something, I can write about that.
308
00:31:09,648 --> 00:31:13,379
Why then if you think that most of your
records are about dissatisfaction and so on,
309
00:31:13,451 --> 00:31:15,817
why do you think you're so popular?
310
00:31:15,887 --> 00:31:18,321
Because most young people are dissatisfied.
311
00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:19,755
In what way?
312
00:31:20,725 --> 00:31:24,422
With the generation which they think
is running their lives.
313
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:27,157
What things are you dissatisfied with?
314
00:31:28,266 --> 00:31:30,598
The generation that runs our lives.
315
00:32:07,339 --> 00:32:12,868
When these girls pounce upon Mick,
and seem to want to tear him to pieces,
316
00:32:12,978 --> 00:32:19,349
it's not essentially an act of aggression,
but rather, an act of devouring him.
317
00:32:19,417 --> 00:32:22,716
They want to incorporate his essence.
318
00:32:22,787 --> 00:32:26,223
It's a sort of fetish, fetishism,
which has more in common
319
00:32:26,291 --> 00:32:28,885
with people collecting the relics of saints,
320
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,452
as they did in the ancient past,
there's really no break
321
00:32:32,530 --> 00:32:35,590
with the ancient tradition,
it's just a question of form.
322
00:32:35,834 --> 00:32:39,964
I've seen this with the most marvellous,
dramatic intensity
323
00:32:40,071 --> 00:32:42,835
with two or three thousand young girls
in Manchester,
324
00:32:42,907 --> 00:32:46,240
and these girls, they wept,
they were possessed by the spirit,
325
00:32:46,344 --> 00:32:50,337
and I may add that all their little panties
were soaking wet at the end,
326
00:32:50,415 --> 00:32:53,441
I mean complete physical
and mental absorption.
327
00:32:53,518 --> 00:32:56,715
I think that's very true and...
328
00:32:56,788 --> 00:33:01,725
But I think what's more interesting is
that in this country
329
00:33:02,127 --> 00:33:04,152
the audience is, indeed, all girls,
330
00:33:04,229 --> 00:33:05,890
and they do behave in this way,
331
00:33:05,964 --> 00:33:09,456
but, in the rest of the world, this isn't true.
332
00:33:09,634 --> 00:33:14,867
In lots of places, they're nearly all boys.
With the boys, it erupts, you know.
333
00:33:14,973 --> 00:33:16,941
- Aggressiveness can be...
- Much more aggressively.
334
00:33:17,008 --> 00:33:20,603
And they use it
to have a great fight with the police,
335
00:33:20,679 --> 00:33:24,979
they just beat the police up,
as a show of sort of strength,
336
00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:28,314
and a show of dissatisfaction
with something.
337
00:33:52,077 --> 00:33:53,510
We had riots every night.
338
00:33:55,113 --> 00:33:56,637
It was insane.
339
00:33:57,282 --> 00:34:03,187
I think they just wanted to be part of that
rebellious thing that we were instigating.
340
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:07,881
They weren't attacking us,
it was always having goes at police.
341
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:28,440
Now we're entering the area of social unrest
manifesting itself in a crowd situation.
342
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,781
You're just merely the catalyst of the crowd,
343
00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:35,877
it could be anything, a football match,
but you're it on that day.
344
00:34:38,356 --> 00:34:41,951
I mean, they like the group as well,
otherwise they wouldn't come.
345
00:34:42,026 --> 00:34:44,927
That's just only half of the show.
346
00:34:45,196 --> 00:34:48,461
The other half of the show
is them participating in a riot.
347
00:35:02,013 --> 00:35:03,810
What makes you think there would be a riot?
348
00:35:03,882 --> 00:35:08,683
Well, the Stones seem to have a history
of creating violence wherever they go.
349
00:35:58,369 --> 00:36:00,030
There are a lot of things
that the establishment
350
00:36:00,104 --> 00:36:03,505
does not like about Mick Jagger,
but perhaps what rankles most is
351
00:36:03,575 --> 00:36:07,238
that he speaks to a vast segment
of the population that they can't.
352
00:36:08,012 --> 00:36:11,470
They cross a barrier that at times,
must be measured in light years,
353
00:36:11,549 --> 00:36:15,212
the two generations eye each other
warily and distrustfully.
354
00:36:24,128 --> 00:36:27,894
It felt like an explosive moment.
355
00:36:27,966 --> 00:36:32,062
People felt this sensation
that something was going on
356
00:36:32,136 --> 00:36:36,072
that had never happened before
that they'd been waiting to happen.
357
00:36:43,281 --> 00:36:48,548
And it was at that same time in London
that all kinds of shit was hitting the fan.
358
00:36:49,287 --> 00:36:50,777
And of course we joined in.
359
00:37:04,769 --> 00:37:08,261
Our sort of success is a first-class ticket,
360
00:37:08,339 --> 00:37:11,797
you know, to a lot of things.
361
00:37:15,113 --> 00:37:19,516
We all smoked dope, I mean except for Bill,
but it was pretty innocent stuff.
362
00:37:19,584 --> 00:37:22,485
And then you got more
and more different drugs coming in,
363
00:37:22,554 --> 00:37:25,387
LSD, and cocaine,
heroin and all these things.
364
00:37:25,456 --> 00:37:27,583
What do you think of LSD? Is it nice?
365
00:37:28,393 --> 00:37:30,793
It's very nice, I think. LSD's very nice.
366
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:34,965
It was like an orgy of drugs, actually.
367
00:37:40,371 --> 00:37:45,502
And those drugs were a great interest
to the press and the general public.
368
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,987
The News of the World was a newspaper
369
00:37:59,057 --> 00:38:04,620
that liked to reveal the faults in society,
and they follow people,
370
00:38:04,696 --> 00:38:07,722
they put private detectives on people
and unfortunately...
371
00:38:08,733 --> 00:38:12,225
There's a set of unfortunate circumstances...
372
00:38:15,139 --> 00:38:17,539
So, we're having this party
at Keith's house in Redlands,
373
00:38:17,609 --> 00:38:19,509
and we went off for this expedition.
374
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:26,176
We took acid, and then
it took a long while to start. It always does.
375
00:38:29,654 --> 00:38:33,283
And we met someone
who was milking a cow.
376
00:38:34,425 --> 00:38:36,256
I don't like milk very much.
377
00:38:36,361 --> 00:38:38,829
And they said,
"Oh, come on, Mick, try the milk".
378
00:38:38,896 --> 00:38:41,865
When you're on acid,
you know, everything's different.
379
00:38:44,569 --> 00:38:49,871
I still didn't like the milk, I mean, acid,
fresh, cow, you know, everything.
380
00:38:49,941 --> 00:38:52,171
And we walked back down to the car
and went back to Redlands,
381
00:38:52,243 --> 00:38:54,268
and by which time it was evening.
382
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:02,814
So we're all coming down,
and it's a very smooth come-down.
383
00:39:02,887 --> 00:39:05,447
And we're just sitting around
smoking a couple ofjoints.
384
00:39:05,523 --> 00:39:09,186
And bang-bang-bang on the door.
385
00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:25,075
What had been a lovely day on acid,
turned out to be a really unpleasant evening.
386
00:39:25,143 --> 00:39:27,771
The News of the World told the police
there was a big drug party,
387
00:39:27,845 --> 00:39:31,076
and they should go
and break it up and arrest everybody.
388
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:35,248
A national newspaper
had tipped off the police
389
00:39:35,319 --> 00:39:37,753
that it would be worth their while
to raid Richards' home
390
00:39:37,822 --> 00:39:40,256
for drugs on the Sunday afternoon,
391
00:39:40,324 --> 00:39:42,690
and the raid was carried out
on that Sunday evening.
392
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,250
There was a gasp of pure horror
393
00:39:44,328 --> 00:39:46,421
from the youngsters crowded
into the public gallery.
394
00:39:46,497 --> 00:39:49,489
At the moment, Judge Block
said sternly to Richard
395
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,127
that the offence carried
a maximum sentence of 10 years.
396
00:39:56,174 --> 00:39:58,836
Emotionally speaking, it was very difficult.
397
00:39:58,910 --> 00:40:00,434
Because they thought
we're gonna be put away
398
00:40:00,511 --> 00:40:03,002
and never make another record
for years and years,
399
00:40:03,081 --> 00:40:05,413
and people were going
to have prison sentences.
400
00:40:05,483 --> 00:40:09,010
It wasn't just a fine
and a rap across the knuckles.
401
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:15,225
We just kinda thought
that was the end of the band, really.
402
00:40:15,293 --> 00:40:18,729
We never knew who was going
to be in or out ofjail,
403
00:40:18,796 --> 00:40:21,390
and whether there was a future and all that.
404
00:40:22,266 --> 00:40:25,929
Did you feel that you were being persecuted
for being a Rolling Stone?
405
00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:31,633
It was obvious that that notoriety
plus the press thing turned it into,
406
00:40:31,709 --> 00:40:34,644
you know, yes, you're, it was a good bust
for the police, wasn't it?
407
00:40:34,712 --> 00:40:36,270
And fun for the press.
408
00:40:36,681 --> 00:40:39,980
There goes lunch
for Richards and Jagger in the cells.
409
00:40:40,051 --> 00:40:43,885
Prawn cocktail, roast lamb with mint sauce,
fresh strawberries and cream,
410
00:40:43,955 --> 00:40:45,582
twenty-one and six for Jagger.
411
00:40:45,656 --> 00:40:48,489
Ice melon, salmon salad, fresh fruit,
strawberries and cream,
412
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:49,651
twenty-two and six for Richards,
413
00:40:49,727 --> 00:40:53,163
and a half bottle of Beaujolais
at 10 bob a head for each.
414
00:40:53,264 --> 00:40:57,826
I've never been in court before, and
I can't stand the way he's talking to me.
415
00:40:57,902 --> 00:40:59,893
He's pointing, calling me "reprobate,"
416
00:40:59,971 --> 00:41:04,999
and, you know, "menace to society,"
and all that.
417
00:41:05,076 --> 00:41:11,174
All I said was,
"Sir, I'm not interested in your petty morals".
418
00:41:12,316 --> 00:41:14,910
Which gave me a year in the slammer.
419
00:41:15,953 --> 00:41:20,117
There was a dead silence as the judge added,
"You will go to prison for one year".
420
00:41:20,191 --> 00:41:24,753
And Richard, who earlier had talked in his
evidence of what he called, "petty morals,"
421
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:27,297
went down to the cells without expression.
422
00:41:27,765 --> 00:41:31,462
Jagger put his hand to his face
as he was given three months.
423
00:41:31,536 --> 00:41:33,197
For a moment he looked like fainting,
424
00:41:33,271 --> 00:41:38,402
then prison officers moved forward to take
his arms and help him down to the cells.
425
00:41:38,476 --> 00:41:42,435
Mick was taken to Brixton,
and they sent me to Wormwood Scrubs,
426
00:41:42,547 --> 00:41:44,913
which is, like, even worse.
427
00:41:45,016 --> 00:41:46,916
It's like Folsom.
428
00:41:48,619 --> 00:41:53,056
And I'm walking, I'm doing my first day,
you know, got the uniform on,
429
00:41:53,124 --> 00:41:56,457
and we're walking around
this courtyard in a circle, you know,
430
00:41:56,527 --> 00:41:58,825
exercise, it's called.
431
00:41:58,896 --> 00:42:03,356
And then I get a tap on the shoulder
from one of the other cons behind me.
432
00:42:03,467 --> 00:42:05,901
And he says, "You're out".
433
00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:08,666
He said, "We heard it on the radio".
434
00:42:08,773 --> 00:42:10,832
Thank Christ for that.
435
00:42:11,509 --> 00:42:15,502
London, it's years since such crowds
gathered to await an appeal verdict.
436
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:19,209
But this was a Rolling Stones case,
with the fans out in force.
437
00:42:19,283 --> 00:42:21,683
When Mick Jagger
was conditionally discharged
438
00:42:21,752 --> 00:42:23,743
and Keith Richards' sentence quashed,
439
00:42:23,821 --> 00:42:27,518
the pop idols drove off,
the shadow ofjail no longer over them.
440
00:42:30,261 --> 00:42:33,321
I think I looked at it at the time as like,
"They can try all they want,
441
00:42:33,397 --> 00:42:36,730
"they won't make it stick
because I've got all these people out there.
442
00:42:36,801 --> 00:42:41,761
"And unless I murdered somebody,
they're gonna insist I'm out".
443
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:46,970
You've been targeted, but then you can
revel in your rebelliousness if you want,
444
00:42:47,044 --> 00:42:49,535
because people are doing that for you,
don't forget people are saying,
445
00:42:49,614 --> 00:42:51,980
"Oh, it's awful, they've been targeted".
446
00:42:52,049 --> 00:42:57,214
It cemented our relationships
with our generation, with the public.
447
00:42:57,588 --> 00:43:01,752
And it sort of gave us a badge of honour,
in a way, you know.
448
00:43:01,859 --> 00:43:05,761
To me it just made me, like, say,
"Okay, now you know who I am.
449
00:43:05,997 --> 00:43:10,627
"You've basically given me a licence now".
It was Jesse James time.
450
00:43:10,701 --> 00:43:13,397
I mean the cops turned me into a criminal.
451
00:43:13,471 --> 00:43:17,567
You know that's when
I started carrying a shooter in America.
452
00:43:17,642 --> 00:43:19,269
So, the outlaw was born?
453
00:43:19,877 --> 00:43:22,505
Yeah, I mean it was fully blown.
454
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:25,310
That was when we really put
the black hat on, you know?
455
00:43:25,383 --> 00:43:28,546
I mean before that,
it was just sort of off-grey.
456
00:44:42,593 --> 00:44:47,087
Well, in a way I kind of felt that
everybody else was writing a script for me.
457
00:44:47,164 --> 00:44:50,361
And you're going to do what I can't.
458
00:44:50,434 --> 00:44:54,700
Okay. That's a very easy role to slip into.
459
00:44:54,772 --> 00:44:58,264
There's a slot available,
and it was just built for me.
460
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,810
If you're a method actor,
you always stay in character.
461
00:45:07,251 --> 00:45:08,912
This character has changed.
462
00:45:08,986 --> 00:45:11,682
Yes, it's changed a lot,
this character's had a lot of changes.
463
00:45:11,756 --> 00:45:14,122
It's not just one change, he's gone through,
464
00:45:15,693 --> 00:45:19,185
you know, every six months another person.
465
00:45:21,732 --> 00:45:24,292
Every actor's character
is part of themselves.
466
00:45:24,368 --> 00:45:26,598
You can only act what's in you.
467
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:34,640
The Jumping Jack Flash character is more
468
00:45:34,712 --> 00:45:38,011
"been through the mill
and come out the other side smiling".
469
00:45:39,250 --> 00:45:41,810
The Sympathy character's
much more complicated
470
00:45:41,886 --> 00:45:46,619
because my inspiration for that came
from Baudelaire and The Master of Margarita,
471
00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:49,022
and so I had all these things going on.
472
00:45:58,302 --> 00:46:00,896
It's very much for the time and everything.
473
00:46:00,971 --> 00:46:04,065
I mean, it's got the violence of the time in it.
474
00:46:05,342 --> 00:46:06,639
It's provocative.
475
00:46:52,723 --> 00:46:56,557
The violence was all-pervasive,
and you can't help but live in it
476
00:46:56,627 --> 00:46:58,822
and reflect it back again,
477
00:46:58,896 --> 00:47:02,024
and then of course it goes
into a feedback loop.
478
00:47:53,584 --> 00:47:56,382
I mean, in a way,
the Rolling Stones overtake you.
479
00:47:57,488 --> 00:48:00,514
And it's almost like you're sort of levitating.
480
00:48:02,259 --> 00:48:06,218
You don't even want to touch the strings
'cause they're doing it themselves.
481
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:07,991
And, anyway, they'd be too hot.
482
00:49:26,677 --> 00:49:30,113
Brian was this very talented, unusual guy.
483
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:34,480
He played all these things,
which gave what we did a flavour,
484
00:49:34,551 --> 00:49:37,918
but his involvement in the band dwindled.
485
00:49:37,988 --> 00:49:43,221
Keith and I took drugs, but Brian took
too many drugs of the wrong kind,
486
00:49:43,294 --> 00:49:45,854
and he wasn't functioning as a musician.
487
00:49:45,929 --> 00:49:48,295
I don't think he was
that interested in contributing
488
00:49:48,365 --> 00:49:50,799
to the Rolling Stones any more.
489
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:54,931
We didn't even expect him to be there.
490
00:49:55,005 --> 00:49:57,803
If he turned up,
we'd find something for him to do.
491
00:49:58,942 --> 00:50:00,910
You know, I'll ask him,
you know, "You got anything?"
492
00:50:00,978 --> 00:50:04,436
You know, "What do you think about this?
You want to put something over this?"
493
00:50:04,515 --> 00:50:09,543
But, no, by then he was already in,
you know, bye-bye land.
494
00:50:11,221 --> 00:50:13,849
You certainly didn't know
if he was gonna turn up
495
00:50:13,924 --> 00:50:14,948
and what state he was gonna be,
496
00:50:15,025 --> 00:50:17,858
and then what was he gonna be able
to do in that state,
497
00:50:17,928 --> 00:50:19,953
what job could you give him.
498
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:22,658
And then one time
when we sat around on the floor,
499
00:50:22,733 --> 00:50:26,863
we played in a circle,
playing No Expectations,
500
00:50:26,937 --> 00:50:29,906
and he picked up the guitar
and played a very pretty lines on it,
501
00:50:29,973 --> 00:50:31,634
which you can hear on the record.
502
00:50:45,923 --> 00:50:50,986
And that was the last thing
I remember him doing that was Brian,
503
00:50:51,061 --> 00:50:55,589
or the Brian that could contribute something
very pretty and sensitive,
504
00:50:55,666 --> 00:50:59,363
and it made the record sound wonderful.
505
00:51:30,868 --> 00:51:34,360
My ultimate aim in life
was never to be a pop star.
506
00:51:34,438 --> 00:51:38,306
I enjoy it with reservations.
507
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:44,179
But I'm not really sort of
satisfied either artistically or personally.
508
00:52:01,532 --> 00:52:03,898
Let's face it.
509
00:52:03,967 --> 00:52:07,266
The future as a Rolling Stone
is very uncertain.
510
00:52:12,543 --> 00:52:14,568
I remember Mick and Keith saying,
511
00:52:14,645 --> 00:52:18,046
you know, "We can't go on like this,
we need another guy".
512
00:52:18,115 --> 00:52:20,379
We did need somebody else.
513
00:52:21,585 --> 00:52:25,385
Do you remember what happened
that day when you went over there?
514
00:52:25,456 --> 00:52:27,219
No. Can't remember.
515
00:52:27,791 --> 00:52:31,420
But I remember it wasn't very nice.
516
00:52:38,769 --> 00:52:42,068
It was a very, very difficult decision to make.
517
00:52:42,539 --> 00:52:44,370
This was someone that you'd
518
00:52:44,441 --> 00:52:49,071
spent the beginning of the band with
and, I mean, it was horrible.
519
00:52:51,548 --> 00:52:55,382
We said to Brian, "This isn't working out,"
520
00:52:55,452 --> 00:53:00,048
and he sort of said, "Yes, it isn't".
And, it was very sad.
521
00:53:02,259 --> 00:53:06,992
And it was, I felt awful afterwards,
I remember that, I felt really terrible.
522
00:53:10,167 --> 00:53:12,601
He was the author
of his own misfortunes, really,
523
00:53:12,669 --> 00:53:17,800
but when you look back on it now, you think
surely we could have done something.
524
00:53:17,875 --> 00:53:20,366
You know, did something
more than just that.
525
00:53:33,857 --> 00:53:36,849
We were working in the studio
with Jimmy Miller.
526
00:53:39,296 --> 00:53:42,527
And someone came in and said,
"Brian's just died".
527
00:53:43,934 --> 00:53:47,927
Everybody just looks at each other and goes,
528
00:53:48,038 --> 00:53:49,369
"Finally".
529
00:53:51,909 --> 00:53:55,902
It was almost like it was bound to happen,
one way or another.
530
00:53:57,281 --> 00:53:59,579
It was a horrible moment,
531
00:53:59,683 --> 00:54:04,120
and I don't know how many months later that
was from when we went down to see him.
532
00:54:04,187 --> 00:54:06,018
He died three weeks later.
533
00:54:06,557 --> 00:54:08,218
Fuck.
534
00:54:08,792 --> 00:54:12,819
About midnight, Jones went for a swim
with his Swedish girlfriend, Anna Wohlin,
535
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:15,592
and another friend, Mr Frank Thorogood.
536
00:54:15,666 --> 00:54:19,602
After a time, Mr Thorogood
and the girl went back to the house.
537
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:22,730
When they returned they saw Jones
at the bottom of the pool,
538
00:54:22,839 --> 00:54:24,170
and they pulled him out.
539
00:55:01,445 --> 00:55:03,470
You know, it doesn't hit you straight away,
540
00:55:03,547 --> 00:55:08,985
I mean, I think my first reaction was, "Brian,
after all of the things we've been through,
541
00:55:10,921 --> 00:55:14,413
"it's, you know,
you don't have to croak over it".
542
00:55:18,328 --> 00:55:20,728
Was there a reason
you didn't go to his funeral?
543
00:55:20,797 --> 00:55:22,765
It was gonna be too much of a circus.
544
00:55:23,867 --> 00:55:29,237
And, anyway, I don't, I never even went
to my mother's funeral, or my father's.
545
00:55:29,306 --> 00:55:31,536
They didn't have one.
546
00:55:31,608 --> 00:55:35,544
We're like that in my family, you know?
My dad is now an oak tree.
547
00:55:35,646 --> 00:55:38,706
We put his ashes
in this enormous oak tree growing,
548
00:55:38,782 --> 00:55:41,774
and every year it gets a little bigger.
549
00:55:41,852 --> 00:55:45,344
And my mom, she said,
"Don't make no fuss over me, boy".
550
00:55:47,658 --> 00:55:50,126
I promise I'll make no fuss, Mom.
551
00:55:52,963 --> 00:55:55,158
And Hyde Park was the funeral.
552
00:55:55,499 --> 00:55:58,798
And the bit about burying
and the shovels and all of that,
553
00:55:58,902 --> 00:56:02,599
it's not that important to me,
that was his funeral.
554
00:56:02,773 --> 00:56:06,675
The Hyde Park concert was
two days after Brian died.
555
00:56:06,777 --> 00:56:09,905
In front of almost 500,000 people in London.
556
00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:14,640
The concert had become in his memory when
it obviously hadn't been planned like that,
557
00:56:14,718 --> 00:56:17,653
but it had assumed that feeling.
558
00:56:18,188 --> 00:56:23,649
That morning of the concert,
they all met in my suite.
559
00:56:25,062 --> 00:56:27,587
Mick was in the corner and he was in tears.
560
00:56:29,066 --> 00:56:34,231
I said, "Mick, you've gotta
just toughen up and move on.
561
00:56:34,304 --> 00:56:36,204
"That's all you do, that's all we can do.
562
00:56:36,273 --> 00:56:39,242
"We just move on
and do what we planned to do".
563
00:56:54,891 --> 00:56:57,018
The Stones are real-live people,
not like the Beatles
564
00:56:57,094 --> 00:56:59,995
with these seven days in bed,
and they're true to life.
565
00:57:00,297 --> 00:57:02,265
They're totally anti-establishment,
566
00:57:02,332 --> 00:57:05,096
and everybody in the establishment
has always bugged the Stones.
567
00:57:05,235 --> 00:57:07,465
And people are gonna have
that feeling for them.
568
00:57:07,537 --> 00:57:09,300
What do you make of all this?
569
00:57:09,372 --> 00:57:13,035
As a member of the older generation,
do you think it's all out of place here?
570
00:57:14,411 --> 00:57:18,472
Of course, in a way, yes. Of course.
571
00:57:18,548 --> 00:57:21,847
What about your wife?
What do you make of this, madam?
572
00:57:21,918 --> 00:57:24,580
- That's not my wife.
- That's not your wife, I'm very sorry.
573
00:57:24,654 --> 00:57:27,214
I mean, you see Hyde Park covered in people,
574
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:30,782
instead of, you know,
the normal view, you know, grass.
575
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:36,566
And, I haven't been on stage
for a year or so, you know?
576
00:57:36,633 --> 00:57:42,902
And it was like a sort of talk about,
into the deep end.
577
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:48,775
"Oh, let's try a club or two first".
Naw, Hyde Park, 500,000.
578
00:57:51,181 --> 00:57:54,673
But I think it was a good baptism
of fire for Mick Taylor.
579
00:58:12,202 --> 00:58:13,794
John Lennon once said
580
00:58:13,870 --> 00:58:18,307
that the Rolling Stones would break up
over Brian Jones' dead body.
581
00:58:18,375 --> 00:58:23,642
What do you think it is about the Stones
that enable them to stay together?
582
00:58:23,713 --> 00:58:29,447
I think, basically, it was their decision
to start touring again.
583
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,556
Because before I joined the group,
they'd been making records.
584
00:58:33,623 --> 00:58:37,491
They hadn't really played before the public
for nearly two years.
585
00:58:37,594 --> 00:58:41,086
So in a sense, when I joined the group,
it was virtually a new group.
586
00:59:02,953 --> 00:59:05,581
I was 20, almost 21.
587
00:59:06,456 --> 00:59:10,517
I had just finished a six-week American tour
with John Mayall.
588
00:59:10,594 --> 00:59:12,824
I got a phone call from Mick saying
589
00:59:12,896 --> 00:59:16,423
the Stones will need
a replacement for Brian, and...
590
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,927
So I became part of the band.
591
00:59:37,053 --> 00:59:40,489
We were playing at stadiums,
that were, you know, full.
592
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:43,115
You could sort of
glance back over the amplifiers,
593
00:59:43,193 --> 00:59:45,423
and you could see the limousines bouncing,
594
00:59:45,495 --> 00:59:49,955
you know, because the energy in the stadium
was so... It was electric.
595
00:59:51,534 --> 00:59:57,029
To me, the real interest in playing guitar is
to play guitar with another guy.
596
00:59:57,107 --> 01:00:00,975
Two guitars together, if you get it right,
597
01:00:01,044 --> 01:00:03,740
it can become like an orchestra.
598
01:00:03,847 --> 01:00:06,975
And Mick Taylor's a virtuoso.
599
01:00:28,838 --> 01:00:30,271
Oh, yeah!
600
01:00:31,408 --> 01:00:32,875
Thank you kindly!
601
01:00:33,610 --> 01:00:36,374
I've been following the Stones
ever since they first started.
602
01:00:36,446 --> 01:00:38,914
- How old were you then?
- Thirteen.
603
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:40,748
- Do you have tickets?
- Yes.
604
01:00:41,251 --> 01:00:45,187
There's a rumour that Mick Jagger's
supposed to come out in his birthday suit.
605
01:00:45,288 --> 01:00:46,812
Are you expecting that?
606
01:00:47,324 --> 01:00:49,417
I hope he does.
607
01:00:49,492 --> 01:00:51,756
- You won't be shocked?
- Of course not!
608
01:01:35,105 --> 01:01:38,632
At the end of the '69 tour,
we went to Muscle Shoals,
609
01:01:38,708 --> 01:01:44,442
and we cut Wild Horses, Brown Sugar
and You Gotta Move, which are great tracks.
610
01:01:54,924 --> 01:01:57,324
During those recording sessions,
or just before,
611
01:01:57,427 --> 01:02:01,727
somebody must have put it
to somebody in the Stones organisation
612
01:02:01,798 --> 01:02:04,062
that we went to Altamont to do a free concert.
613
01:02:09,172 --> 01:02:12,437
It was never planned
to be part of the 1969 tour.
614
01:02:16,012 --> 01:02:18,606
It was really just a throwaway.
615
01:02:18,681 --> 01:02:21,445
You know, a lot of these free shows
were going on, and we said,
616
01:02:21,518 --> 01:02:23,952
well, you know, "Why don't we do one?"
617
01:02:24,687 --> 01:02:28,453
I read in one of the papers that you will be
giving a free concert in San Francisco.
618
01:02:28,558 --> 01:02:31,391
We are doing a free concert in San Francisco.
619
01:02:31,461 --> 01:02:34,225
- When?
- On December 6th.
620
01:02:34,798 --> 01:02:40,964
It's creating a sort of a microcosmic society,
which sets an example to the rest of America,
621
01:02:41,037 --> 01:02:44,268
as to how one can behave
in large gatherings.
622
01:02:45,041 --> 01:02:47,066
Your mind is not really on that gig,
623
01:02:47,143 --> 01:02:51,273
so we'll just get it together, and when they've
got it together, we'll go there and do it.
624
01:02:51,381 --> 01:02:52,507
Simple as that.
625
01:02:52,582 --> 01:02:54,550
Just a quick question, though,
you were at Woodstock,
626
01:02:54,617 --> 01:02:56,676
and you've now been out to Altamont, right?
Last night.
627
01:02:56,753 --> 01:02:58,584
How does it stack up, do you have the room.
628
01:02:58,655 --> 01:03:01,522
- I think we have the room, sure.
- Is this going to be Woodstock west?
629
01:03:01,591 --> 01:03:03,422
Well, it's going to be San Francisco.
630
01:03:04,661 --> 01:03:08,722
You know, we were doing an arena tour
and jumped off the engine
631
01:03:08,832 --> 01:03:11,892
to free concerts in empty hills.
632
01:03:30,386 --> 01:03:32,217
They hit Mick, somebody hit him!
633
01:03:41,998 --> 01:03:48,028
There are a number of people on and around
this stage who should not be here.
634
01:03:48,104 --> 01:03:49,196
No!
635
01:03:50,573 --> 01:03:53,508
I want to see Mick Jagger, God damn!
636
01:03:55,178 --> 01:03:57,408
The whole thing was out of control.
637
01:03:57,914 --> 01:04:03,648
I mean, all normality and control had gone,
there was no, nothing.
638
01:04:13,897 --> 01:04:16,923
The Hells Angels were
the people doing the security,
639
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,096
so, you know, we thought, "That's the way
they do things in San Francisco," you know.
640
01:04:21,171 --> 01:04:24,504
It was a very hippie, dippie thing.
641
01:04:25,542 --> 01:04:30,411
Except, these were actual, proper
Hells Angels.
642
01:04:31,314 --> 01:04:36,616
It was a bit like asking the Nazi Party
to sort out the front of the auditorium.
643
01:04:39,088 --> 01:04:42,023
When I got a bad vibe about it,
644
01:04:42,091 --> 01:04:44,992
was when I saw the condition of the Angels.
645
01:04:46,996 --> 01:04:50,659
Now I can tell, these guys are
on acid and ripple wine.
646
01:04:52,335 --> 01:04:58,672
And they're already in the early afternoon,
they're starting to get antsy, you know.
647
01:05:03,947 --> 01:05:07,383
These guys are out there,
just looking for trouble.
648
01:05:18,561 --> 01:05:20,085
And I think, "Uh-oh".
649
01:05:21,598 --> 01:05:23,725
This will get ugly tonight.
650
01:05:25,468 --> 01:05:26,901
And it did.
651
01:05:41,117 --> 01:05:43,051
Oh, babies.
652
01:05:45,888 --> 01:05:47,879
There are so many of you.
653
01:05:49,092 --> 01:05:52,584
Just be cool down up front there
and don't push around.
654
01:05:54,797 --> 01:05:57,664
Just keep still, keep together.
655
01:06:00,503 --> 01:06:01,527
Oh, yeah.
656
01:07:33,062 --> 01:07:36,361
We were scared. I mean, it was scary.
657
01:07:36,432 --> 01:07:38,024
And these people were crazy,
658
01:07:38,101 --> 01:07:40,501
and they were like standing next to you,
659
01:07:40,570 --> 01:07:44,700
and we didn't know how to control it, stop it,
it was completely out of our control.
660
01:07:44,807 --> 01:07:46,832
It was just a nightmare.
661
01:08:00,623 --> 01:08:04,491
Everybody was fucking scared, man.
But I mean,
662
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,826
I'm sure it's far more frightening to
people in the audience than it was for us.
663
01:08:09,265 --> 01:08:14,259
Keith! Keith! Keith!
Keith, will you cool it, and I'll try and stop it.
664
01:08:15,171 --> 01:08:16,399
Hey, people.
665
01:08:16,472 --> 01:08:19,441
Everybody just cool out!
666
01:08:21,644 --> 01:08:24,807
What we should have done is
just close shop and gone home.
667
01:08:24,881 --> 01:08:30,148
But you couldn't. You got 300,000 people
out there that have come, you know.
668
01:08:30,219 --> 01:08:33,985
People, I mean, who's fighting
and at what for?
669
01:08:34,357 --> 01:08:36,882
It's a hard line to call,
you know what I mean?
670
01:08:36,959 --> 01:08:39,587
If we'd have walked off,
I think there would have been a riot.
671
01:08:39,695 --> 01:08:41,492
Why are we fighting?
672
01:08:41,998 --> 01:08:46,128
So I just did the best I fucking could
under bad circumstances, you know?
673
01:08:46,235 --> 01:08:48,100
Look, cat, that guy there!
674
01:08:48,171 --> 01:08:50,332
If he doesn't stop it, man!
675
01:08:51,741 --> 01:08:55,233
Listen, either those cats cool it, man,
or we don't play.
676
01:08:57,780 --> 01:09:01,272
It was just realising
that you were out of control.
677
01:09:01,384 --> 01:09:03,579
The whole thing was out of control.
678
01:09:04,854 --> 01:09:09,757
If you were in any kind of arena or theatre,
you can just leave, you know, off stage.
679
01:09:09,859 --> 01:09:13,351
There wasn't, you were very aware
that you were sort of surrounded,
680
01:09:13,429 --> 01:09:16,728
so you were very vulnerable,
so that was the feeling.
681
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,697
That's why you shouldn't have
been in this situation.
682
01:09:25,074 --> 01:09:27,542
And then some bastard gets killed.
683
01:09:50,233 --> 01:09:51,564
What happened here anyway?
684
01:09:51,634 --> 01:09:53,033
- He pulled out a gun.
- He did?
685
01:09:53,102 --> 01:09:55,400
Yes. The Hells Angels took
the gun away from him.
686
01:09:55,471 --> 01:09:57,439
One of them has it now, he showed it to me.
687
01:09:57,507 --> 01:10:01,876
And they proceeded to put him down
on the ground and started kicking him.
688
01:10:01,944 --> 01:10:05,812
And he has a couple stab wounds in his back
and one over his ear here.
689
01:10:05,882 --> 01:10:08,578
We tried to keep him alive, and when we got
here, the doctor checked him out,
690
01:10:08,651 --> 01:10:11,449
- and that was it.
- We pronounced him dead at 6:20.
691
01:11:10,346 --> 01:11:14,840
We were pretty beat up after Altamont.
692
01:11:17,687 --> 01:11:21,851
We were always thought
of after that as dangerous.
693
01:11:21,991 --> 01:11:23,083
We weren't really dangerous,
694
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:25,559
but that's the way they looked at it,
you know.
695
01:11:28,197 --> 01:11:33,794
You had to endure all this
bloodletting and blame-throwing.
696
01:11:34,103 --> 01:11:37,197
So, you know, it wasn't a very good mood.
697
01:11:37,273 --> 01:11:40,902
We were in this maelstrom daily.
698
01:11:41,677 --> 01:11:45,511
It was like being in a river, you know,
that was flooded.
699
01:11:45,581 --> 01:11:47,879
And you were just being dragged
all the way down this river.
700
01:11:49,218 --> 01:11:53,086
It's all a bit of a kaleidoscope.
701
01:11:53,155 --> 01:11:55,282
I was definitely on another planet at the time.
702
01:11:56,826 --> 01:12:02,059
Everybody's got a different way of dealing,
703
01:12:02,632 --> 01:12:06,693
and I didn't for a while, I took to the stuff.
704
01:12:08,004 --> 01:12:12,441
As I say, I never had a problem with drugs,
I just had a problem with cops.
705
01:12:13,175 --> 01:12:18,340
I'd been pushed up against my front door
by them leaping out of the bushes.
706
01:12:18,414 --> 01:12:22,510
They were just harassment, really.
You know there was a definite move on.
707
01:12:22,585 --> 01:12:26,521
It became obvious that, you know,
you had to make a decision.
708
01:12:26,589 --> 01:12:28,887
"Okay, we're moving".
709
01:12:31,794 --> 01:12:35,161
Keith always says that he was chased out
of England by the cops.
710
01:12:36,766 --> 01:12:40,429
He may believe that,
but I mean it's not actually true.
711
01:12:40,503 --> 01:12:43,768
The real reason the band left was money.
712
01:12:43,873 --> 01:12:47,070
We all thought that our taxes had been paid.
713
01:12:47,143 --> 01:12:53,343
We discovered in 1971 that we all owed
in the region of 100,000 pounds each.
714
01:12:54,583 --> 01:12:59,111
The income tax was so high that
to earn the money to pay back the tax,
715
01:12:59,188 --> 01:13:03,591
we decided that the best way of doing
that was to leave the UK.
716
01:13:06,262 --> 01:13:09,197
You know, we got shipped to France.
717
01:13:11,901 --> 01:13:15,564
I think in France I felt a sort of
lifting of the weight
718
01:13:15,638 --> 01:13:18,004
that I didn't realise was on me in England.
719
01:13:22,344 --> 01:13:25,404
We couldn't find a studio
in the south of France,
720
01:13:25,514 --> 01:13:29,382
so eventually we were rummaging,
I said, "I've got an enormous basement".
721
01:13:29,485 --> 01:13:33,421
I'd love to live on the factory, you know?
Saves going to the studio.
722
01:13:33,489 --> 01:13:35,980
It was great, just go downstairs.
723
01:13:41,363 --> 01:13:45,993
That whole period was incredibly intense
because it was a new beginning for the band,
724
01:13:47,336 --> 01:13:51,397
and once we picked up our guitars,
we were in our own world.
725
01:14:00,249 --> 01:14:03,184
It was a troglodyte existence down there
726
01:14:03,252 --> 01:14:08,713
and 9:00/10:00 at night
until 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning.
727
01:14:09,291 --> 01:14:13,887
The idea of playing a note
before the sun went down was ludicrous.
728
01:14:15,131 --> 01:14:16,792
I mean, it's like Dracula time.
729
01:14:23,506 --> 01:14:25,701
My kind of structure is
a kind of loose structure,
730
01:14:25,775 --> 01:14:28,801
but when you have
no structure, it's really bad.
731
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:32,912
Recording in the south of France
was like that
732
01:14:33,015 --> 01:14:35,745
because of all the drugs and everything.
733
01:14:42,224 --> 01:14:44,920
The junk was there to help me do the music.
734
01:14:44,994 --> 01:14:49,624
It gave me a space that I probably
wouldn't have found otherwise.
735
01:14:49,698 --> 01:14:54,465
I'd take anything if it helps me stay up
long enough to finish this damn song.
736
01:15:26,135 --> 01:15:29,627
There's a little bit of fighting in the tempo.
737
01:15:29,705 --> 01:15:32,401
You know, we would almost get
to the point of recording a song,
738
01:15:32,474 --> 01:15:36,570
Keith would have to leave because
he wanted another fix or whatever reason.
739
01:15:36,645 --> 01:15:37,805
It's a nightmare.
740
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,943
Instead of working on a song for two hours,
you worked on it for two fucking weeks.
741
01:15:51,861 --> 01:15:54,159
It just becomes disorganised.
742
01:15:55,231 --> 01:15:58,359
You got some recording engineers
strung out on heroin, you know,
743
01:15:58,434 --> 01:16:00,732
because they all want
to be strung out on heroin
744
01:16:00,803 --> 01:16:02,327
because they think it's the thing to do.
745
01:16:02,404 --> 01:16:06,397
Well, it isn't the thing to do
for a recording engineer, I can assure you.
746
01:16:08,544 --> 01:16:12,640
I thought it was quite amusing a lot of it.
747
01:16:12,715 --> 01:16:16,082
People sort of... They hang around Keith,
748
01:16:16,151 --> 01:16:18,915
and they think they're Keith.
It's like... It's ridiculous.
749
01:16:27,463 --> 01:16:30,330
Like your band always thrives
750
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:32,833
- when there's...
- Adversity.
751
01:16:34,203 --> 01:16:37,604
I don't know, probably by then,
752
01:16:37,673 --> 01:16:41,700
I mean, we felt very much like
a sort of pirate nation to ourselves,
753
01:16:41,777 --> 01:16:45,008
and you dig in your heels and say,
754
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,107
"We may go down, but we're not
going down your way," you know.
755
01:16:49,685 --> 01:16:52,586
So it kind of got
where the bulldog comes out.
756
01:17:09,071 --> 01:17:13,508
Before the 1972 tour, there was a letter
from the US State Department
757
01:17:13,642 --> 01:17:19,080
basically saying that if there was
any kind of fallout, we could be in trouble.
758
01:17:26,255 --> 01:17:30,214
They made a lot of threatening noises,
which creates this back-to-the-wall,
759
01:17:30,292 --> 01:17:32,385
Winston Churchill kind of stuff.
760
01:17:32,461 --> 01:17:37,160
That's all very, kind of, galvanising
and breeds a nice team spirit.
761
01:17:37,433 --> 01:17:39,162
If there are a lot of people who are convinced
762
01:17:39,234 --> 01:17:43,364
that, in some way, you and your music
are an evil influence.
763
01:17:44,073 --> 01:17:46,405
That must be a challenge
that you would take seriously
764
01:17:46,475 --> 01:17:49,000
- and want to reply to...
- Oh, yeah, I don't take it seriously any more.
765
01:17:49,078 --> 01:17:50,409
I think we've won, you know.
766
01:18:03,325 --> 01:18:05,384
Were there any rules on that tour?
767
01:18:05,461 --> 01:18:07,053
Rules?
768
01:18:07,963 --> 01:18:10,488
There's no rules on any of them.
769
01:18:16,538 --> 01:18:19,063
Hedonism was very much on the rise.
770
01:18:20,075 --> 01:18:21,975
It was the hedonistic period.
771
01:18:30,519 --> 01:18:34,148
Any nature of restraint
had been a bit pummelled.
772
01:18:34,223 --> 01:18:37,715
The idea of being restrained and disciplined
773
01:18:38,827 --> 01:18:41,955
was, perhaps, a kind of no-no.
774
01:18:46,969 --> 01:18:51,668
It's got its own film crew,
it's got journalism, it's got its celebrities.
775
01:18:53,876 --> 01:19:00,611
It becomes more than just a tour,
it becomes the grand event.
776
01:19:08,223 --> 01:19:11,590
And that also became
the kind of fashion of tours,
777
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:16,097
its rather ill-disciplined,
hedonistic binge around America.
778
01:19:18,133 --> 01:19:21,432
Ladies and gentlemen, the Rolling Stones.
779
01:20:24,967 --> 01:20:27,128
When we got together, something happened.
780
01:20:27,202 --> 01:20:31,332
Something magical happened,
and no one could ever copy that.
781
01:20:34,209 --> 01:20:36,074
Every band followed the drummer.
782
01:20:36,411 --> 01:20:39,903
We don't follow Charlie,
Charlie follows Keith.
783
01:20:40,282 --> 01:20:44,309
So the drums are very slightly behind Keith.
784
01:20:44,386 --> 01:20:47,480
It's only fractions of seconds,
you know, miniscule.
785
01:20:47,556 --> 01:20:49,956
And I tend to play ahead.
786
01:20:50,559 --> 01:20:52,720
It's got a sort of a wobble,
787
01:20:52,794 --> 01:20:55,957
and it's dangerous because
it can all fall apart at any minute.
788
01:21:45,981 --> 01:21:47,642
You talk about Rolling Stones,
789
01:21:47,716 --> 01:21:52,312
I mean, it was an unstoppable
momentum going on,
790
01:21:53,522 --> 01:21:55,683
and, in a way, you're swept along with it.
791
01:21:55,757 --> 01:22:00,922
I mean, it's not as if you were particularly
in control of it or any of us were.
792
01:22:06,068 --> 01:22:10,732
There was not really any time for self-doubt
793
01:22:10,806 --> 01:22:13,798
or second-guessing.
794
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:17,303
We were just going on instincts
and doing what we wanted.
795
01:22:17,379 --> 01:22:19,506
We were almost like a law unto ourselves.
796
01:22:30,659 --> 01:22:32,650
What is a Rolling Stone?
797
01:22:34,796 --> 01:22:37,196
"What is a Rolling Stone?"
798
01:22:37,266 --> 01:22:39,257
Someone that's not settled,
799
01:22:39,334 --> 01:22:42,462
like a pirate or a gypsy.
800
01:22:43,772 --> 01:22:49,369
Someone who likes to travel, voyage,
an adventurer.
801
01:22:53,048 --> 01:22:56,575
Another concert.
802
01:22:56,652 --> 01:23:00,486
My mum's out there. I don't want
no indecent gestures, you understand?
803
01:23:01,223 --> 01:23:04,249
None of that wiggly stuff
out there in front of me mum now.
804
01:23:04,326 --> 01:23:06,191
Okay, Mrs Keyes, this is for you!
805
01:23:21,109 --> 01:23:22,804
Hi, there.
806
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:28,110
- You know who he is?
- I do.
807
01:23:28,884 --> 01:23:32,115
He's one of those hippie long-haired...
One of those hippie radicals.
808
01:23:36,758 --> 01:23:39,352
Really all you wanted to do was
play music, you know.
809
01:23:39,428 --> 01:23:42,886
You're always trying to get it better,
trying to get the band tighter.
810
01:23:43,432 --> 01:23:45,957
After a show, we'd be in the hotel room
811
01:23:46,034 --> 01:23:48,832
knocking out songs for the next album
or the next single.
812
01:23:48,904 --> 01:23:52,465
It was a continual, day-by-day process.
813
01:24:06,621 --> 01:24:10,523
When you're working with another person,
it's great to bounce things off, you know,
814
01:24:10,592 --> 01:24:12,958
and if you're really working well together,
815
01:24:13,028 --> 01:24:16,589
you feed off each other's ideas
and build upon each other's ideas.
816
01:24:16,665 --> 01:24:20,567
So you've got someone that takes your thing
and takes it to another level.
817
01:24:23,271 --> 01:24:24,704
Writing songs is a great thing,
818
01:24:24,773 --> 01:24:28,869
it's like a jigsaw puzzle
and a kaleidoscope put together,
819
01:24:28,944 --> 01:24:31,242
except it's all done through the ears.
820
01:24:31,413 --> 01:24:35,543
And on that, I would say Mick and I
are probably very much on the same groove.
821
01:24:48,130 --> 01:24:52,089
If I wanted the essence of Jagger
and Richards together,
822
01:24:52,167 --> 01:24:54,761
I suppose it would be Midnight Rambler.
823
01:24:55,303 --> 01:24:58,136
Anybody else could have written
any of our other songs,
824
01:24:58,206 --> 01:25:02,165
but I don't think anybody could have written
Midnight Rambler except Mick and me.
825
01:25:02,644 --> 01:25:06,705
And nobody else would have thought
of making an opera out of the blues.
826
01:30:18,426 --> 01:30:22,055
When you unzip your suit
and put your jeans back on or whatever,
827
01:30:22,130 --> 01:30:23,893
that's all finished with.
828
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,497
I don't wanna be my extrovert character
all the time.
829
01:30:37,912 --> 01:30:39,709
A lot of times when you're being interviewed,
830
01:30:39,781 --> 01:30:42,249
you don't want to talk about
what they want to talk about.
831
01:30:42,317 --> 01:30:45,844
You kind of don't answer their question,
you kind of get rid of lt.
832
01:30:49,991 --> 01:30:52,824
- Where are we going, by the way?
- I don't know.
833
01:30:56,397 --> 01:31:00,800
It's a kind of protection against intrusion.
834
01:31:03,404 --> 01:31:05,429
What are you trying to protect?
835
01:31:06,074 --> 01:31:09,908
You're trying to protect your inner self,
I think, is the answer.
836
01:31:12,046 --> 01:31:18,178
The Rolling Stones arrived in Sydney today
to begin their 1973 Australian tour.
837
01:31:20,755 --> 01:31:23,690
You've been thrown into this,
I mean, you started and you're a blues player,
838
01:31:23,758 --> 01:31:28,058
and then suddenly this fame thing comes in.
839
01:31:28,296 --> 01:31:32,824
And everybody has to handle that
in their own way.
840
01:31:36,604 --> 01:31:38,265
Charlie hates it.
841
01:31:38,740 --> 01:31:41,038
Charlie's perfect world would be to be
in the Rolling Stones,
842
01:31:41,109 --> 01:31:43,509
except nobody gives a shit who you are.
843
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,839
Are you still enjoying playing in the group
as much as you used to do
844
01:31:49,918 --> 01:31:51,613
about seven or eight years back?
845
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,520
Yeah, it's the same, really.
846
01:31:55,523 --> 01:32:00,085
Then the plans for the next future.
847
01:32:00,161 --> 01:32:01,594
Can you tell us something about that?
848
01:32:01,663 --> 01:32:05,326
For the next future...
849
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,960
Carry on making records, I suppose.
850
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:12,933
Try to do some things, I don't know.
851
01:32:15,043 --> 01:32:17,204
I think the Rolling Stones are great.
852
01:32:17,278 --> 01:32:20,247
But I kind of don't see me in it somehow.
853
01:32:22,050 --> 01:32:28,046
I never really lived or admired that world,
anyways, so I don't really believe it.
854
01:32:31,259 --> 01:32:35,320
But I'm very much a loner.
I always have been.
855
01:32:37,298 --> 01:32:39,630
How do you see yourself?
856
01:32:39,701 --> 01:32:41,225
That's the most difficult thing of all,
857
01:32:41,302 --> 01:32:43,702
I mean, that's what it takes
your whole life to find out.
858
01:32:44,172 --> 01:32:46,640
What you are. I mean, I don't know.
859
01:32:47,709 --> 01:32:49,267
But you're not this image
that people have of Mick.
860
01:32:49,344 --> 01:32:51,005
I don't know what that is.
861
01:32:51,079 --> 01:32:56,073
There's a lot of things you know that go out
to make up one person's personality,
862
01:32:56,150 --> 01:32:58,118
and so that you can be everything.
863
01:33:20,341 --> 01:33:21,831
How do you keep yourself grounded?
864
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:24,107
I don't know. I didn't for a while.
865
01:33:26,014 --> 01:33:28,676
Heroin can...
866
01:33:29,617 --> 01:33:33,883
A sort of state
of suspended animation, really.
867
01:33:34,589 --> 01:33:37,149
Keith just got busted all the time.
868
01:33:37,225 --> 01:33:39,819
And he got away with it all the time.
That was the amazing thing.
869
01:33:39,894 --> 01:33:42,988
He ended up with just
small fines and warnings,
870
01:33:43,064 --> 01:33:45,294
and it just went through his life like that.
871
01:33:46,701 --> 01:33:48,760
And you're always worried
because if Keith gets busted,
872
01:33:48,836 --> 01:33:51,031
we just thought
it was the end of the band, really.
873
01:33:52,941 --> 01:33:56,638
He'd drive off the road regularly,
and he should never have been driving.
874
01:33:56,711 --> 01:33:58,611
I was always worried
that there was gonna be a call
875
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,114
when Keith had driven off the road,
and that was the end of Keith.
876
01:34:03,151 --> 01:34:07,053
Keith's there's in England,
kind of an underground top ten
877
01:34:07,121 --> 01:34:09,919
about people that are expected to die soon.
878
01:34:09,991 --> 01:34:11,151
Am I on the list?
879
01:34:11,225 --> 01:34:14,422
You are taken to number one position...
880
01:34:14,495 --> 01:34:16,224
Great, okay. I'll let you know.
881
01:34:19,701 --> 01:34:23,034
Mick Taylor said to me then,
"I'm thinking of leaving".
882
01:34:25,306 --> 01:34:26,671
And then, of course, he deteriorated
883
01:34:26,741 --> 01:34:29,232
because he started to get into drugs
and all that sort of shit.
884
01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:35,279
I always thought he left 'cause he got bored.
885
01:34:36,484 --> 01:34:39,942
I thought he was fed up with playing with us.
886
01:34:41,589 --> 01:34:43,614
I'd no idea why he left the band.
887
01:34:43,691 --> 01:34:46,251
It was the stupidest idea
I had ever heard.
888
01:34:46,327 --> 01:34:48,557
And he never told me, really, the reason.
889
01:34:50,198 --> 01:34:52,996
Why, in the world, would you
leave the Rolling Stones?
890
01:34:53,067 --> 01:34:55,535
I don't know, maybe I thought that
891
01:34:55,603 --> 01:35:01,564
I would be able to protect my family
from, not Keith's orbit, but drugs.
892
01:35:02,744 --> 01:35:06,145
Because I slowly became addicted to heroin.
893
01:35:06,714 --> 01:35:11,242
There comes a point where you have to
choose between one or the other or you die.
894
01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:15,050
And I, you know, I've survived.
895
01:35:18,326 --> 01:35:22,956
Mick Taylor leaving was a curveball
because that was a really good band,
896
01:35:23,031 --> 01:35:26,057
and it had this balance
between Keith and Mick Taylor.
897
01:35:27,035 --> 01:35:30,436
In a way, I was surprised,
but it's always a drag.
898
01:35:31,272 --> 01:35:36,574
I spent years putting this line-up together.
Then, just as I'm getting it right...
899
01:35:36,844 --> 01:35:42,043
There's another part of me that seems
that it was somehow inevitable.
900
01:35:45,853 --> 01:35:48,048
I was there at Robert Stigwood's party
901
01:35:48,122 --> 01:35:51,614
sitting between Mick Taylor and Mick Jagger
when Taylor leaned across me,
902
01:35:51,692 --> 01:35:53,455
and he said to Jagger,
"I'm leaving the band".
903
01:35:53,761 --> 01:35:56,195
And Mick went, "What?"
He said, "Is he serious?"
904
01:35:56,264 --> 01:35:57,856
I said, "I think he is, Mick".
905
01:35:58,733 --> 01:36:02,328
So, Mick Taylor said, "Yes, I am,"
and he got up and walked out.
906
01:36:02,403 --> 01:36:03,768
And Mick said, "Will you join?"
907
01:36:03,838 --> 01:36:06,932
And I said, "Yes, of course,
in a New York minute!"
908
01:36:36,337 --> 01:36:39,329
Ronnie was like a real breath
of fresh air, in a way.
909
01:36:39,607 --> 01:36:43,771
His personality was...
I mean, he's such a barrel of laughs.
910
01:36:44,645 --> 01:36:45,839
He fitted like a glove.
911
01:36:45,913 --> 01:36:50,714
Ronnie became the link between
the two strong egos and the two light egos.
912
01:36:51,052 --> 01:36:52,849
And it worked great.
913
01:36:53,187 --> 01:36:54,745
Tune-out room session!
914
01:36:57,291 --> 01:37:00,727
Fitting into their mould was easy for me.
915
01:37:00,962 --> 01:37:07,834
I found the compatibility with playing,
the whole lifestyle, the humour,
916
01:37:07,902 --> 01:37:11,633
the camaraderie, you know,
it was like, "I'm home".
917
01:37:13,207 --> 01:37:17,803
We were transitioning into
a more of, kind of, not so dangerous.
918
01:37:17,879 --> 01:37:20,780
The feeling was
that you're having a good time.
919
01:37:20,848 --> 01:37:22,645
It was more, kind of, fun.
920
01:37:22,717 --> 01:37:25,777
But it was more colourful, and produced,
921
01:37:25,853 --> 01:37:29,084
and it wasn't supposed to be taken
too seriously,
922
01:37:29,157 --> 01:37:31,352
and I think it was very much
the Ronnie thing.
923
01:37:31,492 --> 01:37:35,690
It's in the blood, you see, it all comes down
to those two hours on stage.
924
01:37:38,132 --> 01:37:39,463
They're the reward.
925
01:37:40,101 --> 01:37:43,662
He's a great guitar player
and also very sympathetic.
926
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:46,834
Ronnie was somebody I'd party with as well.
927
01:37:46,941 --> 01:37:49,933
I mean, he was well-versed in every manner.
928
01:38:01,088 --> 01:38:06,253
Nearly one million applications had been
received for their 13 British concerts alone.
929
01:38:06,694 --> 01:38:08,525
But most will be out of luck.
930
01:38:08,596 --> 01:38:10,928
Only 80,000 seats are available
931
01:38:10,998 --> 01:38:14,832
for what will be the Stones' first tour
of Britain in three years.
932
01:38:15,403 --> 01:38:18,702
Oh, man, the Rolling Stones are just it,
you know?
933
01:38:18,906 --> 01:38:20,635
What do you mean?
934
01:38:20,708 --> 01:38:23,006
They're the greatest rock and roll
band in the world!
935
01:38:23,377 --> 01:38:24,469
How long have you been here?
936
01:38:24,545 --> 01:38:27,013
Since Friday morning about 8:00 a.m.
937
01:38:27,081 --> 01:38:28,412
How do you eat?
938
01:38:28,482 --> 01:38:31,315
We take a walk to the liquor store,
buy a loaf of bread,
939
01:38:31,385 --> 01:38:36,186
some bologna and cheese,
and put it all together, and we eat it, man.
940
01:38:37,925 --> 01:38:40,587
We lived and breathed the songs, Keith and I.
941
01:38:40,695 --> 01:38:42,458
Morning, noon, and night,
942
01:38:42,530 --> 01:38:46,830
and when we slept,
which was very rare, very rare.
943
01:38:48,836 --> 01:38:54,331
And we lived and breathed other influences,
whether it be Mozart or Marley.
944
01:39:00,715 --> 01:39:07,177
The whirlwind, the hurricane, the tornado
ofjust being caught up in the band,
945
01:39:07,255 --> 01:39:09,553
and the highs of the dope and the drink,
946
01:39:09,624 --> 01:39:12,821
my feet never really touched the
ground for many years.
947
01:39:38,753 --> 01:39:44,953
You felt almost pretty much immune
to exterior hassles, you know.
948
01:39:48,896 --> 01:39:51,023
It seems perilous now.
949
01:39:51,499 --> 01:39:57,734
At this time, it was like, "Come on,
throw it at us, see what you got".
950
01:40:02,276 --> 01:40:04,073
And you can get used
951
01:40:04,145 --> 01:40:09,412
to that feeling of invulnerableness,
even though it's not true.
952
01:40:21,896 --> 01:40:23,727
It was ridiculous.
953
01:40:24,999 --> 01:40:28,332
Fancy coming into Canada
with all that heroin. It's dotty.
954
01:40:38,746 --> 01:40:41,874
Police found one ounce of heroin,
and one-fifth of an ounce of cocaine...
955
01:40:41,949 --> 01:40:45,146
Lead guitarist Keith Richard
was charged with possession of heroin
956
01:40:45,219 --> 01:40:46,880
for the purpose of trafficking.
957
01:40:48,022 --> 01:40:52,118
If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence
of life for trafficking.
958
01:41:07,341 --> 01:41:13,007
It got a bit close, I thought, letting the guy
into prison or being locked up.
959
01:41:13,781 --> 01:41:17,012
Perhaps Keith played that role
really too well, you know?
960
01:41:31,832 --> 01:41:38,635
It was the realisation in Canada that I was
actually jeopardising the band.
961
01:41:38,739 --> 01:41:41,833
And if they were gonna put me away,
I mean, it was bye-bye.
962
01:41:41,909 --> 01:41:43,968
That's why I stopped, that's it.
963
01:41:44,044 --> 01:41:48,378
The experiment is now... We are
pulling the plug on this once and for all.
964
01:41:48,449 --> 01:41:52,476
It was an end of chapter there
and turn the page.
965
01:41:52,753 --> 01:41:56,484
Richards is taking psychiatric treatment
to end his addiction
966
01:41:56,557 --> 01:41:58,218
and continue as a musician.
967
01:41:58,526 --> 01:42:02,860
Judge Lloyd Graburn said Richards' effort
to remove himself from the drug culture
968
01:42:02,930 --> 01:42:04,397
was an example for others,
969
01:42:04,465 --> 01:42:09,630
so he was put on probation for a year and
ordered to continue psychiatric treatment.
970
01:42:09,703 --> 01:42:12,638
As part of his probation,
he would have to give a concert
971
01:42:12,706 --> 01:42:15,732
at the Canadian National Institute
for the Blind.
972
01:42:18,712 --> 01:42:23,149
Usually, it's the guy in the black hat
that gets killed at the end, you know.
973
01:42:23,818 --> 01:42:26,309
Not this time, brother, not this time.
974
01:42:34,662 --> 01:42:37,028
In a way, the Stones saved me
975
01:42:37,097 --> 01:42:40,794
because one thing that was more important
than smack was the band, you know.
976
01:43:04,225 --> 01:43:06,750
I was quite relieved that he cleaned up some.
977
01:43:06,827 --> 01:43:10,957
I mean, we did things quicker.
I think we were a bit more focused.
978
01:43:11,966 --> 01:43:14,799
There's more effort and more energy.
979
01:43:20,274 --> 01:43:21,798
It was a renewal.
980
01:43:22,076 --> 01:43:24,306
We had gone through all this shit
and all that,
981
01:43:24,378 --> 01:43:26,437
and we were brothers-in-arms.
982
01:43:26,514 --> 01:43:30,109
After all, we always said, whether
we liked it or not, the band comes first.
983
01:43:35,456 --> 01:43:37,253
Their popularity's never been greater.
984
01:43:37,324 --> 01:43:41,090
And with a following like this,
the Stones don't even have to advertise.
985
01:43:44,098 --> 01:43:47,158
You love the Rolling Stones
more than you love God!
986
01:44:01,181 --> 01:44:02,910
The Rolling Stones have done it again.
987
01:44:02,983 --> 01:44:08,615
100,000 fans watched Mick Jagger prance
and dance as he has for nearly 20 years.
988
01:44:08,689 --> 01:44:11,453
They are starting a tour,
which will take them to 21 cities,
989
01:44:11,559 --> 01:44:14,119
to be seen by 1.5 million adoring fans.
990
01:44:14,328 --> 01:44:18,355
The anti-heroes of the 60s are back
on the road for their biggest tour ever.
991
01:44:23,837 --> 01:44:27,568
The Rolling Stones had gone from being
the band everyone hated
992
01:44:27,641 --> 01:44:29,074
to the band everyone loved.
993
01:44:29,143 --> 01:44:33,580
We'd gone from unacceptable
to totally acceptable.
994
01:44:34,048 --> 01:44:35,982
Everything had changed.
995
01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:39,918
We became a kind of institution,
and we hadn't even got to be 40 yet.
996
01:44:54,201 --> 01:44:55,862
Cats have nine lives,
997
01:44:55,936 --> 01:44:59,565
and we've seem to have got through
about 20 fuckin' lives so far.
998
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:00,766
I don't know how we do it.
999
01:45:24,164 --> 01:45:27,600
We had never been as high as this,
we'd never been as successful.
1000
01:45:29,269 --> 01:45:30,634
We've done it.
1001
01:45:58,365 --> 01:46:04,031
You just don't fuck with the Stones,
you know, this is a simple rule, it don't pay.
1002
01:46:25,492 --> 01:46:29,656
You had this kind of, "Fuck the world,
you could do anything" attitude.
1003
01:46:30,164 --> 01:46:32,564
For a moment, that was definitely there.
1004
01:46:32,633 --> 01:46:35,466
I mean, you felt you're riding in the wave
and all that.
1005
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:38,895
But you can't be young forever.
1005
01:46:39,305 --> 01:47:39,414
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