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-(sharp pop)
-ALEX: Did you feel that?
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ERIK:
What the hell was that noise?
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THOMAS: Something's broke
inside the mesa.
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ALEX:
Oh, that's not good.
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Travis, hey, I've got eyes
on a descending light.
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Are you seeing this?
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THOMAS:
Descending light?
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ERIK:
I honest to God
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don't know what
I'm looking at here.
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Lasers coming on.
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We are hitting something
with the laser.
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What are we hitting?
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TIM:
Some sort of mass.
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PETE:
This is one of
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the terrestrial
laser scans we did.
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Can you look up?
It does go into a cone.
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KALEB:
Oh, look at that.
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TRAVIS:
We're all inside a cone.
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NARRATOR:
There is a ranch
in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years,
the federal government
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tried to find answers
and failed.
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Now a new team
of dedicated scientists,
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researchers and experts
has taken over.
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They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...
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...The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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Roosevelt Traffic helicopter
9-5 bravo Charlie is
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three mile final runway 2-5.
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TRAVIS: This morning,
Erik Bard, Cameron Fugal,
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Thomas Winterton,
Dragon and myself
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traveled about
ten miles northwest
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of Skinwalker Ranch
to Roosevelt Airport.
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ERIK:
Hey there, Kendra.
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KENDRA:
Hey, hey. Hello, hello.
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Got out here
all right then, huh?
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I guess so.
Looks like you did, too.
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-TRAVIS: Cool-looking airplane.
-Well, thank you.
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-TRAVIS: Cool-looking airplane.
-Well, thank you.
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TRAVIS:
There we met up with pilots
Kendra Hart and Sam Davis
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to prepare for a new experiment
after making what could be
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a major discovery last week.
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Well, we ready for this day?
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Yeah, we're excited.
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TRAVIS:
Using an infrared
lidar scanner,
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we detected a 2,000-foot-high
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cone-shaped anomaly that was
centered above the triangle
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and had a base
that was about a mile wide,
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stretching all the way
from Homestead Two
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over to the east field.
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These are three main areas
where we've seen
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a ton of phenomena,
including UAPs...
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That's a communication signal
or something.
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...inexplicable
energy signals...
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...and even invisible objects
at various altitudes
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that have blocked laser beams
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and also deflected
and destroyed rockets.
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So, why are we back here today?
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-What are we looking for
and hoping to find?
-CAMERON: Great question.
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We've got something going on
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in a very interesting region
in the airspace above the ranch.
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And so, there may be
something physical there
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that we'll be able to see
if we put smoke into that space.
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We want you to go
5,000 foot above the ranch
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and then circle
in a wide pattern
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and then spiral down,
running smoke, uh, behind you,
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-and we'll see how
that all turns out.
-Awesome.
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TRAVIS:
Our plan today is
to have Kendra and Sam
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fly their specialized
Pitts 2B airplane
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nearly a mile above the triangle
and also at lower altitudes.
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They'll be performing
a series of maneuvers
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while emitting
thick trails of smoke
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that will blanket
the entire area.
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The hope is that
the smoke will make contact
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with the anomaly and not only
confirm its presence
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but also its size.
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Once we know those things
for sure,
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we can then work to figure out
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what it is,
and how it may be connected to
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all the strange things
we've seen
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in that area on the ranch.
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Having you both and myself with
eyes on... on each other there,
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we should keep this thing
running properly.
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-Perfect.
-ERIK: You know,
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once we begin this experiment,
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the plane itself becomes
a scientific instrument.
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It's part of the study.
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So, anything unusual happening
with the plane itself,
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uh, whether it's electronic
or mechanical,
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-we're especially interested
in knowing that.
-KENDRA: Sounds good.
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BRYANT:
We're really grateful
that you're gonna
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come out and do this,
but we want to make sure
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that you guys remember
that your health and safety is
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first and foremost.
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So if you feel off at all,
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or you have any kind of
equipment malfunction
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or something like that,
please feel free
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to just abort the mission.
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There's nothing worth
your health and safety at all
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-when it comes to
this investigation.
-CAMERON: Good point.
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Any one of us can call this,
and we'll peel off
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at that point
and get out of the area.
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TRAVIS:
We've got a lot to do.
I've got to get back
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and get all the instruments
set up at the triangle.
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I say let's get back
to the ranch,
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-and then let's get going.
-Looking forward
to this, guys.
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-Thank you.
-Can't wait to see
you guys in the air.
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KENDRA:
Sounds good. Thanks.
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TRAVIS: All right, looks like
Cameron's in position.
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Later that morning,
while we were waiting
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for Kendra and Sam
to fly over to the ranch,
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we set up a monitoring station
near the triangle
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with a high-speed camera
that'll be taking
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hundreds of frames per second
during the aerial experiment.
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We also had
multiple antennas attached
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to our spectrum analyzers
to look out for
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any strange signals
or frequencies,
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which we often detect out here
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from sources that
we have yet to identify.
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Meanwhile,
Erik Bard was stationed
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in the command center
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monitoring his own
spectrum analyzer,
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as well as a number
of surveillance cameras.
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Sounds like
Kendra's on approach.
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We're gonna paint that airspace
over the ranch with smoke
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and watch for any abnormal,
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unnatural patterns
in how that smoke moves.
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If in fact we have something
that is affecting
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the movement of the smoke,
it is entirely possible
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that RF signals
could be affected.
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We're going to be studying that
during this exercise,
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as well as deploying
high-speed video equipment,
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and I think that's what we're
interested in looking at here.
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TRAVIS:
To have an extra set
of eyes in the air
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and help communicate
with Kendra and Sam,
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Cameron was hovering
around 2,000 feet high
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but safely out of
the triangle airspace.
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We'll give you a cue.
We'll be calling out smoke.
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KALEB:
10-4, Cameron.
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Holy crap, look at this!
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Hey, be advised.
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We're picking up a signal
right on top of 1.6.
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And we're only detecting it
on the skyward-facing antenna,
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right above the triangle area.
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Isn't that weird?
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Hey, thanks for that heads-up.
I'll check it out.
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TRAVIS:
All I could think was,
"Here we go again."
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Right after Cameron alerted us
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that Kendra's plane
was approaching,
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my spectrum analyzer detected
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a strange radio frequency signal
at 1.6 gigahertz
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coming from
right above the triangle.
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We've detected this many times
on the ranch,
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including last week
when we captured images
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of that huge
cone-shaped anomaly.
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So, I couldn't wait
to see what would happen
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once Kendra and Sam started
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painting the whole region
with smoke.
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KALEB:
She's right there,
coming overhead right now.
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TRAVIS:
Yeah, here she comes!
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TRAVIS:
She's popping smoke.
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That ain't enough smoke to see!
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I'm surprised.
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I mean, there's not even
enough smoke to see the trail.
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I wonder if
there's something wrong.
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That's not at all
what I was expecting.
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Yeah, Cameron, I-I did not get
a visual on the smoke at all.
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THOMAS:
Right off the bat,
when Kendra went to emit smoke,
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nothing came out.
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We only saw a few small,
wispy puffs of smoke.
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Again, I'm wondering,
you know, is this the ranch
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that's interfering with it
or is it something else?
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She's circling above us.
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TRAVIS:
She's not putting out
much smoke.
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It was really frustrating that
hardly any smoke was coming
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out of the plane, which we hoped
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might better identify
the cone-shaped anomaly.
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It's become a recurring problem
that a lot of tested
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and otherwise functioning tech
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simply won't work
for some strange reason
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when we try to use it
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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So, the big question today was:
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Why wasn't Kendra and Sam's
smoke system
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working correctly
above the triangle?
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Oh.
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KENDRA: It just clicked off
again for the second time.
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ERIK:
What the hell?
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Wow.
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I'm getting word
that there are issues
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with the smoke release system.
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And now we have the issues
with the alternator,
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an important electrical
component on the plane.
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If that alternator were to fail,
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it could be a problem.
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This is concerning.
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Kendra, what do you want to do?
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Do you want to get back
to Roosevelt
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with that alternator acting up?
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Cameron, it really bothers me.
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We're seeing a lot of
strange signals and things here
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coming from above the triangle.
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And if the alternator's
not working,
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I'm worried about her safety.
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If she needs to go back,
you tell her to go back.
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We'd just started our experiment
high above the triangle
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when pilots Kendra Hart
and Sam Davis
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began having numerous mechanical
problems with their aircraft.
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And at the same time,
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the antenna connected
to my spectrum analyzer
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was detecting a radio frequency
signal at 1.6 gigahertz
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coming from that same area.
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We couldn't be sure
if these things
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were connected to one another,
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but in the past,
when we've detected signals
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at 1.6 gigahertz,
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we've experienced
other phenomena, including UAPs.
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Her oil temperature,
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fluctuating when
they were over us.
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-Really?
-(indistinct radio chatter)
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KENDRA:
See, so it's just
moving around a lot.
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Yeah, that could be
an electrical, uh,
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interference problem as well.
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Which, again,
is typical for this place.
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Good call. Safety first.
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CAMERON:
Sounds great. We'll get you
back to the airport.
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TRAVIS:
We had no way of being certain
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if the plane's malfunctions
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had anything to do
with the 1.6 gigahertz signal
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coming from the triangle
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or some other kind of phenomena,
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but it was definitely right
for Kendra and Sam
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to make the short flight
back to Roosevelt
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for a safety inspection.
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-SAM: All right, here we go.
-KENDRA: Wahoo.
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TRAVIS:
We still collected data
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and had high-speed
camera images to process.
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CAMERON:
All right,
just setting down here.
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TRAVIS:
But we also wanted
to meet back up with them
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as soon as possible
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to get their take
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on what they experienced
over the ranch today.
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SAM:
Just in time.
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-It's good to see you
back on the ground.
-Wow.
247
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-KENDRA: Y'all as well.
-Glad to have you back.
248
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Thanks. (chuckles)
Glad to be back.
249
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-What an experiment today, huh?
What a flight.
-Yeah.
250
00:12:38,042 --> 00:12:40,000
What in the world
happened to the smoke?
251
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KENDRA:
You know, your guess
is as good as ours.
252
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We tested it before we came.
We tested it last night.
253
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The tank is full.
254
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Go to switch it on,
and it sounds like
255
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the most we were getting
were little puffs.
256
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We didn't see anything
out the back.
257
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That's all--
we could barely see it,
258
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just for-- looked like
little puffs coming out of it.
259
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Never was a line
like you'd expect.
260
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-Okay, so yeah.
-Wow.
261
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I know you tested it,
we talked about it,
262
00:12:58,958 --> 00:13:01,125
and what I'm so concerned about
263
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is the alternator,
the electrical issues you had.
264
00:13:03,375 --> 00:13:05,500
And that's to say nothing
of all that crazy stuff
265
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-we saw in the RF,
on the spectrum analyzer.
-TRAVIS: Yeah, that's right.
266
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Did you guys notice
anything other than, uh,
267
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the equipment malfunctions?
268
00:13:12,250 --> 00:13:14,500
We had some oil temperature
fluctuations,
269
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which normally, the airplane,
it's very, very accurate
270
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within a couple degrees.
271
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-How much did it change?
-It was changing 25, 30 degrees.
272
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-Wow.
-Wow.
273
00:13:25,875 --> 00:13:27,417
SAM:
Within seconds,
just bouncing up and down.
274
00:13:27,583 --> 00:13:29,333
That could just about blow
the engine or something, right?
275
00:13:29,458 --> 00:13:32,417
And as soon as we started
heading back, it...
276
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it stayed steady at 215 degrees.
277
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It went away when you're not
over the triangle, right?
278
00:13:36,958 --> 00:13:38,750
-Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
-That's crazy.
279
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So, we appreciate
you coming out again.
280
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You have been
amazing to work with.
281
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Any chance you'd come back
282
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and want to fly over
the ranch again?
283
00:13:47,167 --> 00:13:48,292
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, guys.
You're great to work with.
284
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-Absolutely.
-Awesome.
285
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ERIK:
All right,
thanks for working with us.
286
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SAM:
Thanks. Yeah, you, too.
287
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We'll stay in touch.
288
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TRAVIS:
What's going on, fellas?
289
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I-I'm bringing up
some of the data that we've, uh,
290
00:14:05,042 --> 00:14:06,000
recently acquired
from the Pitts plane.
291
00:14:06,167 --> 00:14:07,750
-All right.
-Great.
292
00:14:07,917 --> 00:14:10,500
Later that night, Erik called us
into the command center
293
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after he had processed all
the high-speed camera images
294
00:14:14,167 --> 00:14:16,417
that were collected earlier
today during the experiment.
295
00:14:16,583 --> 00:14:20,083
I've got some footage that shows
the helicopter passing overhead.
296
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I'll stop there, and we'll see
what you guys make of it.
297
00:14:26,542 --> 00:14:29,000
This is a video recording
taken from ground level
298
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right at the triangle,
looking up at the aircraft.
299
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So I'm going to play this
at its native speed.
300
00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:38,542
This thing is running
at 240 frames per second.
301
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You can clearly see the rotors
in motion on the helicopter.
302
00:14:42,917 --> 00:14:45,083
You know, flying right over
the triangle.
303
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Wait a minute.
304
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-There's a black spot,
right there.
-ERIK: Mm-hmm.
305
00:14:51,917 --> 00:14:53,542
That's the one.
306
00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:55,167
Let's take a look at this thing.
307
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TRAVIS:
Oh, I do see it.
308
00:14:58,958 --> 00:15:00,625
ERIK:
Let me take it
back to the beginning.
309
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We'll see this come into frame.
310
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TRAVIS: This is at
240 frames per second,
311
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so it's moving pretty fast.
312
00:15:07,708 --> 00:15:10,708
ERIK: This thing's got to be
moving really fast.
313
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So, I guess the first thing
we've got to rule out would be:
314
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-Is it a bug?
-Mm-hmm.
315
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TRAVIS:
That's about 20 pixels
when you measure across
316
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-whatever that size is?
-ERIK: Thereabouts, yeah.
317
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That's tiny. That's like the
thickness of a piece of paper.
318
00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:26,417
So it's not on the lens.
319
00:15:26,583 --> 00:15:28,625
Whatever it is, that size cannot
be-- it's not on the lens.
320
00:15:28,792 --> 00:15:30,958
So, I think it's out there.
321
00:15:31,125 --> 00:15:33,208
-The other interesting thing
about this, though...
-TRAVIS: Well, look.
322
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ERIK:
...is that it doesn't move
in just one direction.
323
00:15:36,042 --> 00:15:37,833
-You want me to play it
at normal speed?
-Yeah, play it normal speed.
324
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,375
ERIK:
Watch this.
325
00:15:40,875 --> 00:15:43,833
Notice how this thing
literally seems to stop
326
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right at the edge.
327
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TRAVIS:
Right at the dadgum
helicopter blades.
328
00:15:48,833 --> 00:15:50,333
Look, it got about
to the helicopter
329
00:15:50,458 --> 00:15:52,500
and then starts
moving away from it.
330
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Gonna go back to its native
speed. Watch carefully.
331
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KALEB: Almost as if
it's meandering around.
332
00:16:00,083 --> 00:16:02,083
-TRAVIS: Yeah. Yeah.
-KALEB: Kind of checking out
the helicopter almost.
333
00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:04,458
ERIK: It sure looks
that way, doesn't it?
334
00:16:05,875 --> 00:16:08,417
-What?
-What are the chances?
335
00:16:08,583 --> 00:16:11,917
TRAVIS: This UAP maneuvered
around Cameron's helicopter
336
00:16:12,083 --> 00:16:14,208
like it was trying
to monitor it.
337
00:16:14,375 --> 00:16:16,333
What in the world was it?
338
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:19,583
Could it have been the source
of that 1.6 gigahertz signal?
339
00:16:19,708 --> 00:16:22,000
And was it also connected
340
00:16:22,125 --> 00:16:24,667
to all of Kendra and Sam's
plane malfunctions?
341
00:16:24,792 --> 00:16:27,333
Well, here's the thing.
Why did nobody else see this?
342
00:16:27,542 --> 00:16:28,875
Is it moving so fast
343
00:16:29,042 --> 00:16:30,625
that we just didn't notice it
with the eye?
344
00:16:30,708 --> 00:16:35,167
So, then, the question is:
What are we dealing with?
345
00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:37,500
That's-that's the big question.
346
00:16:37,708 --> 00:16:39,000
What are we dealing with?
347
00:16:39,208 --> 00:16:40,458
So if we've
interpreted this properly,
348
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:43,333
not only are we looking at
great speed
349
00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:47,167
but we're looking at maneuvers
being executed at great speed.
350
00:16:47,333 --> 00:16:49,083
TRAVIS:
So, we need to figure this out.
351
00:16:49,208 --> 00:16:50,583
We-we got to figure out
the right way
352
00:16:50,792 --> 00:16:53,833
to probe the region
directly above the triangle.
353
00:16:54,042 --> 00:16:55,500
All right.
Well, great discussion, guys.
354
00:16:55,708 --> 00:16:57,792
-I-I appreciate it as always.
-Great stuff, Erik.
355
00:16:57,958 --> 00:16:59,958
-KALEB: Thanks for bringing it
to our attention.
-Yeah, man.
356
00:17:00,125 --> 00:17:03,000
TRAVIS:
You've clearly found
something in there, though.
357
00:17:09,292 --> 00:17:10,917
THOMAS:
Well, I appreciate the fact
358
00:17:11,042 --> 00:17:12,125
that even though
there's been some challenges,
359
00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:13,917
these guys have stuck with it.
360
00:17:14,083 --> 00:17:17,750
-Absolutely.
-Overcome some-some obstacles,
361
00:17:17,917 --> 00:17:19,125
literally speaking,
362
00:17:19,292 --> 00:17:21,625
and are ready to get
back at it again.
363
00:17:21,792 --> 00:17:24,875
TRAVIS:
While we worked on plans
for a new investigation
364
00:17:25,083 --> 00:17:27,167
at the triangle,
we checked in at the mesa,
365
00:17:27,375 --> 00:17:30,417
located about a quarter
of a mile to the west,
366
00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:34,167
where another operation has been
underway for several weeks.
367
00:17:34,292 --> 00:17:36,167
So you're about
to fire it up now, then?
368
00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:38,417
Everything's fixed, ready to go.
369
00:17:38,583 --> 00:17:41,167
TRAVIS:
According to numerous
ground-penetrating radar scans,
370
00:17:41,375 --> 00:17:43,875
there appears to be
a 400-foot-long,
371
00:17:44,042 --> 00:17:46,917
dome-shaped object
and numerous smaller anomalies
372
00:17:47,083 --> 00:17:49,625
around it,
buried deep inside the mesa.
373
00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:53,000
Two previous drilling operations
in recent years
374
00:17:53,167 --> 00:17:54,500
could not penetrate it.
375
00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:58,333
But metallic fragments
were found in the spoils
376
00:17:58,542 --> 00:18:01,167
that proved to be made of
the same kinds of materials
377
00:18:01,375 --> 00:18:04,125
that NASA uses on
the surface of spacecraft.
378
00:18:05,292 --> 00:18:06,875
So, for the last three weeks,
379
00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:09,125
the team from
Mark Construction Drilling
380
00:18:09,292 --> 00:18:11,083
has been using
a much more powerful drill
381
00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:13,000
than we've ever used before.
382
00:18:13,167 --> 00:18:15,667
They'll drill
the first of two boreholes
383
00:18:15,875 --> 00:18:17,333
all the way through the mesa
384
00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:19,833
that will surround
these anomalies.
385
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,833
This will allow us to insert
a number of scanning devices
386
00:18:23,042 --> 00:18:25,292
to better identify
what these things are
387
00:18:25,458 --> 00:18:28,583
and plan for how
to finally uncover them.
388
00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:31,500
Any idea what caused it
to snap to start with?
389
00:18:31,708 --> 00:18:34,083
Uh, it was a pretty...
it was a pretty rough spot.
390
00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:35,625
We went through it really slow
391
00:18:35,708 --> 00:18:38,667
and just kind of let
the-the bit do its work.
392
00:18:38,833 --> 00:18:41,542
TRAVIS: Last week,
even with this new team's
393
00:18:41,708 --> 00:18:43,458
much more powerful rig,
394
00:18:43,625 --> 00:18:45,667
-the drill rod
snapped into pieces...
-(sharp pop)
395
00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:47,708
-Did you feel that?
-Yeah.
396
00:18:47,875 --> 00:18:50,542
TRAVIS:
...a little over 100 feet
inside the mesa
397
00:18:50,708 --> 00:18:53,958
after possibly making contact
with one of these anomalies.
398
00:18:54,125 --> 00:18:55,500
Everything good down there, bud?
399
00:18:55,625 --> 00:18:58,500
No, I'm pretty sure
we just broke off.
400
00:18:58,708 --> 00:19:01,917
So after retrieving
the broken drill rod,
401
00:19:02,083 --> 00:19:03,417
hopefully they'll have
better luck
402
00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,292
in helping us figure out
what's really inside there.
403
00:19:06,417 --> 00:19:10,042
We're already back, and we're
past the spot where we snapped.
404
00:19:10,208 --> 00:19:11,458
THOMAS:
I'm, uh, super encouraged.
405
00:19:11,625 --> 00:19:14,000
They're exactly
where we need to be.
406
00:19:14,208 --> 00:19:16,000
If things keep trending
the way they are,
407
00:19:16,167 --> 00:19:18,625
they're gonna get us
a beautiful cross section
408
00:19:18,792 --> 00:19:20,833
right across whatever that
object is there in the hill.
409
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,875
Gonna be perfect positioning
to-to be able to go in there
410
00:19:25,042 --> 00:19:27,292
and do further analysis
and allow us to get
411
00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:29,667
a better picture
of what might be in there.
412
00:19:29,833 --> 00:19:32,042
-I know that's what
we all want to hear.
-TRAVIS: Heck yeah.
413
00:19:32,208 --> 00:19:33,500
That's great.
414
00:19:33,708 --> 00:19:35,083
Well, let's get moving.
415
00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:36,708
-Good luck, guys.
-THOMAS: Thank you.
416
00:19:36,875 --> 00:19:38,458
TRAVIS:
The drilling operation
417
00:19:38,583 --> 00:19:41,458
was going to take several days
to be completed.
418
00:19:41,583 --> 00:19:45,250
So, after we left the drillers
to keep up the hard work...
419
00:19:46,458 --> 00:19:48,208
...later that day...
420
00:19:48,375 --> 00:19:50,500
ERIK: Well, welcome
to the ranch, Ryan.
421
00:19:50,625 --> 00:19:53,042
Thanks for having me.
Excited to be here.
422
00:19:53,208 --> 00:19:55,000
-ERIK: Welcome back, Jay.
-Thank you.
423
00:19:55,167 --> 00:19:57,792
TRAVIS:
...we met with two very special
guests in the command center:
424
00:19:57,958 --> 00:20:02,125
Jay Stratton, my former boss
on the UAP Task Force,
425
00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:04,000
who also oversaw
Robert Bigelow's investigation
426
00:20:04,208 --> 00:20:06,542
of the ranch
back in the early 2000s,
427
00:20:06,667 --> 00:20:10,208
and Ryan Graves,
a former Navy pilot,
428
00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:12,667
who recently testified
before Congress
429
00:20:12,792 --> 00:20:14,500
as a UAP whistleblower.
430
00:20:14,625 --> 00:20:17,625
Given all the UAP sightings
that we've had on the ranch,
431
00:20:17,792 --> 00:20:20,083
including the one we saw
near Cameron Fugal's helicopter
432
00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:22,417
above the triangle
the other day,
433
00:20:22,583 --> 00:20:25,833
ranch owner Brandon Fugal
arranged for Jay to come back
434
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,500
and bring Ryan Graves with him.
435
00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:30,833
We wanted him to assess
some of our documented sightings
436
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,583
because he now helps operate
a UAP research organization
437
00:20:34,750 --> 00:20:39,375
in the private sector known as
Americans for Safe Aerospace.
438
00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:42,875
We're real interested
in what your interest is
439
00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:45,375
in Skinwalker Ranch, and we want
to show you some things
440
00:20:45,542 --> 00:20:47,500
and get your perspective on it,
and of course,
441
00:20:47,708 --> 00:20:49,875
we're very interested in,
you know, uh,
442
00:20:50,042 --> 00:20:53,375
the events that-that you've been
through in-in your career.
443
00:20:53,542 --> 00:20:55,625
So we can determine
if we've seen similar events
444
00:20:55,792 --> 00:20:57,500
that compares
to what you've seen.
445
00:20:57,708 --> 00:20:59,417
Yeah, well,
I'd be happy to share that.
446
00:21:01,375 --> 00:21:04,667
I was a former F-18 pilot
in the U.S. Navy for 11 years.
447
00:21:04,875 --> 00:21:05,958
And during that time,
448
00:21:06,125 --> 00:21:07,958
we were running into UAP
449
00:21:08,125 --> 00:21:10,250
or what's commonly known
as UFOs.
450
00:21:10,417 --> 00:21:12,000
We didn't know what they were.
451
00:21:12,208 --> 00:21:13,667
We didn't know
where they came from.
452
00:21:13,875 --> 00:21:15,667
And we didn't know
what their intent was.
453
00:21:15,833 --> 00:21:18,333
There was no way
to report these issues.
454
00:21:18,542 --> 00:21:20,000
And so about a year ago,
we started
455
00:21:20,083 --> 00:21:21,500
Americans for Safe Aerospace
456
00:21:21,667 --> 00:21:24,125
as a way of engaging
with pilots in order to
457
00:21:24,292 --> 00:21:26,667
get to the bottom of
what pilots are seeing
458
00:21:26,875 --> 00:21:28,500
and to also provide them
with the mechanisms
459
00:21:28,708 --> 00:21:30,583
to be able
to report these issues.
460
00:21:30,708 --> 00:21:33,833
This caught the attention,
uh, of members of Congress.
461
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,333
In July 2023, I was invited
to testify before Congress
462
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,333
about the reality of UAP,
and I was there to represent
463
00:21:41,458 --> 00:21:43,750
my story
and also represent the issues
464
00:21:43,917 --> 00:21:45,667
that commercial
and military pilots have been
465
00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:48,667
dealing with when seeing
objects while they're flying.
466
00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:51,208
If we can learn something here
at the ranch that allows us
467
00:21:51,375 --> 00:21:54,250
to-to translate that
to-to aviation safety,
468
00:21:54,417 --> 00:21:55,292
then I'm all for it.
469
00:21:55,458 --> 00:21:56,500
That's why I'm here.
470
00:21:56,708 --> 00:21:58,500
So, Ryan, why don't you tell us
471
00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:00,500
a-a little bit more,
like, in details,
472
00:22:00,708 --> 00:22:02,917
-like, the events
where you saw something.
-RYAN: Certainly.
473
00:22:03,083 --> 00:22:05,042
So we were operating off
the coast of Virginia Beach,
474
00:22:05,208 --> 00:22:07,875
and the squadron I was in--
VFA 11-- uh,
475
00:22:08,042 --> 00:22:10,333
it was a Super Hornet squadron,
and we would be flying
476
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:11,833
off the coast
on a regular basis.
477
00:22:12,042 --> 00:22:14,917
And when we would fly out
to those areas,
478
00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:16,833
we would go out there with
one jet, two jet, four jets,
479
00:22:17,042 --> 00:22:19,625
eight jets perhaps,
and we started seeing objects
480
00:22:19,792 --> 00:22:22,417
on our radar, uh, that
we didn't know what they were.
481
00:22:22,583 --> 00:22:24,375
Now, at first, we were like,
482
00:22:24,542 --> 00:22:26,375
"All right, let's go figure out
what these are," right?
483
00:22:26,542 --> 00:22:27,833
So we would get them on a radar,
we'd get closer,
484
00:22:27,958 --> 00:22:29,500
we'd start to see them
on our camera systems,
485
00:22:29,667 --> 00:22:31,292
and we'd slow down
trying to get as close
486
00:22:31,458 --> 00:22:32,958
to this object as we can,
you know,
487
00:22:33,125 --> 00:22:34,333
not to exceed our safety bubble.
488
00:22:34,542 --> 00:22:37,333
And we would come up
within 500 feet,
489
00:22:37,458 --> 00:22:39,917
and we're not able to visually
pick out this object.
490
00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:42,583
So you could see them in
your equipment but not with the,
491
00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:44,208
-with the human eye?
-Correct.
492
00:22:44,417 --> 00:22:46,500
-We've seen that before, right?
-ERIK: Yes.
493
00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:47,792
RYAN:
And that's why
I'm interested to be here
494
00:22:47,958 --> 00:22:50,083
because you guys are
doing scientific work.
495
00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:53,375
You guys are seeing
strange things here.
496
00:22:53,542 --> 00:22:55,417
I mean, that would be
an incredible thing if we can
497
00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:57,500
find similarities, both
what pilots have been seeing
498
00:22:57,625 --> 00:22:59,958
at high altitudes
or within our operating airspace
499
00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:01,958
and finding those same things
happening here,
500
00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:03,667
because this would
potentially provide a lab
501
00:23:03,833 --> 00:23:06,042
to study it
in a more controlled manner.
502
00:23:06,208 --> 00:23:08,417
I've always felt that it's,
if not a laboratory,
503
00:23:08,583 --> 00:23:09,750
it's certainly an observatory.
504
00:23:09,917 --> 00:23:12,167
That there's a lot
going on here.
505
00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:13,792
There seems to be a nexus of
506
00:23:13,958 --> 00:23:15,333
a lot of very different kinds
of phenomenology.
507
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,125
UAPs apparently
being one of them.
508
00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:19,583
Several examples of which
we're gonna share with you.
509
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:21,333
Love to get your thoughts on it.
510
00:23:21,542 --> 00:23:24,000
Here is some footage
that I found
511
00:23:24,167 --> 00:23:25,792
just absolutely fascinating.
512
00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:29,667
You're seeing high-speed
footage, 240 frames per second.
513
00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:32,167
And you see the helicopter
above the,
514
00:23:32,375 --> 00:23:33,667
the area that we refer to
as the triangle.
515
00:23:33,833 --> 00:23:36,083
Now, I want to draw
your attention to something
516
00:23:36,292 --> 00:23:37,917
that enters
the field of view here.
517
00:23:41,542 --> 00:23:43,500
RYAN:
How do you interpret that?
518
00:23:43,708 --> 00:23:44,958
ERIK:
This is not a bird.
519
00:23:45,125 --> 00:23:46,833
-This is not a drone.
-TRAVIS: It's not a bug.
520
00:23:47,042 --> 00:23:48,333
ERIK:
Not a bug.
521
00:23:48,542 --> 00:23:50,458
It's clearly not on the lens,
whatever it is.
522
00:23:50,583 --> 00:23:52,542
And check this out.
523
00:23:52,708 --> 00:23:54,500
Erik and I sat here and said,
"Whoa, it's gonna go
524
00:23:54,708 --> 00:23:56,583
"behind the helicopter blades
so we'll get to know how--
525
00:23:56,792 --> 00:23:59,042
at least how far away
the minimum is on it, right?"
526
00:23:59,208 --> 00:24:01,083
ERIK:
So I'm gonna play through it
at normal speed.
527
00:24:01,250 --> 00:24:03,375
TRAVIS:
So right there.
528
00:24:03,583 --> 00:24:05,792
And it's playing with us, right?
529
00:24:05,958 --> 00:24:08,292
And it turns and goes
the other way.
530
00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:10,708
So that we can't get that data.
531
00:24:10,833 --> 00:24:13,125
-RYAN: Wow.
-ERIK: So let's view this
532
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:14,625
with, uh, a type of enhancement
533
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:17,208
that sometimes helps us
bring out the details.
534
00:24:17,375 --> 00:24:20,042
Here's an emboss filter.
535
00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:23,667
You know, as this thing
approaches the-the aircraft.
536
00:24:23,833 --> 00:24:25,958
TRAVIS:
It certainly doesn't
seem random, does it?
537
00:24:26,125 --> 00:24:29,625
RYAN:
And it seems to be just
navigating of its own accord.
538
00:24:29,792 --> 00:24:31,833
That is
an interesting statement.
539
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,417
"Navigating...
on its own accord."
540
00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:46,917
RYAN: It seems to be just
navigating of its own accord.
541
00:24:47,083 --> 00:24:49,167
It certainly doesn't
seem random, does it?
542
00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:51,458
That is
an interesting statement.
543
00:24:51,625 --> 00:24:54,583
"Navigating...
on its own accord."
544
00:24:54,708 --> 00:24:56,958
RYAN:
It looked like what we see:
no propulsion,
545
00:24:57,125 --> 00:24:59,083
no wings...
546
00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:00,375
-Yep.
-...uh, no IR energy
547
00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,500
shooting an exhaust
out the back.
548
00:25:02,583 --> 00:25:05,500
TRAVIS:
Comparing the UAP encounters
of former Navy pilot
549
00:25:05,708 --> 00:25:07,917
Ryan Graves
with what we've witnessed
550
00:25:08,083 --> 00:25:10,750
on Skinwalker Ranch
was fascinating.
551
00:25:10,958 --> 00:25:14,542
It just confirms that we're
dealing with phenomena out here
552
00:25:14,708 --> 00:25:17,500
that our own military
has been at a loss to identify
553
00:25:17,708 --> 00:25:20,250
in different locations
all across the U.S.
554
00:25:20,417 --> 00:25:21,667
and the world.
555
00:25:21,833 --> 00:25:22,875
What's out there is something
556
00:25:23,042 --> 00:25:24,500
we still don't understand
what it is.
557
00:25:24,708 --> 00:25:26,208
And the same issue
within the military is
558
00:25:26,375 --> 00:25:28,000
within the commercial world:
no one wants to talk about it.
559
00:25:28,208 --> 00:25:30,000
And once they start sharing
the stories with each other,
560
00:25:30,167 --> 00:25:31,792
they all of a sudden realize
that there is something going on
561
00:25:31,958 --> 00:25:33,750
that many of them are seeing.
562
00:25:33,875 --> 00:25:35,917
This one particular day,
we launched out on this flight,
563
00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:38,000
and we did not get
any radar data.
564
00:25:38,208 --> 00:25:40,667
Uh, we did not receive any
notification that this object
565
00:25:40,792 --> 00:25:42,958
were in front of our aircraft,
but as soon as we entered
566
00:25:43,167 --> 00:25:45,208
the working area,
the two aircraft were coming
567
00:25:45,375 --> 00:25:47,000
right through
one of these objects.
568
00:25:47,167 --> 00:25:49,292
One of these objects went
right between the two aircraft.
569
00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:52,833
The lead aircraft was slightly
closer to them, about 50 feet.
570
00:25:53,042 --> 00:25:55,500
And they described it
as a dark gray or a black cube
571
00:25:55,708 --> 00:25:57,167
inside of a clear sphere.
572
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:00,875
They were able to estimate it
to be about five
573
00:26:01,042 --> 00:26:02,292
to 15 feet in diameter.
574
00:26:02,417 --> 00:26:04,000
ERIK:
Oh.
575
00:26:04,083 --> 00:26:05,458
Okay.
576
00:26:05,625 --> 00:26:07,667
ERIK:
Uh, so I'd like
to share an event
577
00:26:07,833 --> 00:26:10,792
that took place while we were
attempting to do some...
578
00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:13,125
some work with a drone swarm
579
00:26:13,292 --> 00:26:15,667
as part of a, kind of
a spatial mapping exercise
580
00:26:15,833 --> 00:26:17,792
out in the east field
canyon area.
581
00:26:17,958 --> 00:26:19,750
KALEB:
We got something right there.
582
00:26:19,875 --> 00:26:22,500
TRAVIS: Yeah, it is!
That's it right there!
583
00:26:22,667 --> 00:26:24,833
Back in 2022,
as we were conducting
584
00:26:25,042 --> 00:26:27,042
a drone swarm experiment
in the east field,
585
00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:29,375
a UAP that looked very much
586
00:26:29,542 --> 00:26:31,750
like what Ryan Graves
just described
587
00:26:31,917 --> 00:26:34,208
appeared in the sky
for several seconds...
588
00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:35,833
It just disappeared.
589
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,625
...before vanishing
into thin air.
590
00:26:38,792 --> 00:26:42,333
We had no idea what it was,
but it looked like a possible
591
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,917
nuts-and-bolts craft
of some kind.
592
00:26:46,042 --> 00:26:47,500
ERIK:
So, um...
593
00:26:47,708 --> 00:26:50,333
this was not movement
consistent with,
594
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:51,625
say, a satellite or an aircraft.
595
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:54,083
-You don't see a strobe.
-RYAN: Wow.
596
00:26:54,250 --> 00:26:56,583
TRAVIS:
And we got
several pictures of it
597
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:58,875
with, uh, cell phones
and other cameras.
598
00:26:59,042 --> 00:27:00,500
Uh, Erik, I don't know
which one you got,
599
00:27:00,667 --> 00:27:02,000
but go ahead and bring that up.
600
00:27:02,167 --> 00:27:03,917
RYAN:
Wow.
601
00:27:04,042 --> 00:27:06,583
TRAVIS:
Every one of them shows it
as a sphere with a,
602
00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:08,583
a black dot in the middle.
603
00:27:08,708 --> 00:27:10,333
And we had
a good enough picture of it
604
00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:12,500
that I could go forward and make
a three-dimensional model of.
605
00:27:12,708 --> 00:27:14,333
ERIK:
I'm gonna bring that up.
606
00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:18,500
TRAVIS:
You'll see the interior's
held together by a cylinder.
607
00:27:18,667 --> 00:27:20,375
RYAN:
That's incredible.
608
00:27:20,542 --> 00:27:22,458
We've seen--
over 50% of the objects
609
00:27:22,625 --> 00:27:23,750
we're seeing
are spherical in nature.
610
00:27:23,917 --> 00:27:25,375
My good friends
in the S Squadron,
611
00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:26,875
they were actually able
to capture the object.
612
00:27:27,042 --> 00:27:28,833
We saw it on their FLIR system.
613
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,333
They were actually able
to break out a sphere
614
00:27:30,542 --> 00:27:31,958
with a cube in it as well.
615
00:27:32,125 --> 00:27:33,917
-Wow.
-They were able
to see the actual,
616
00:27:34,083 --> 00:27:35,458
you know, spherical structure.
617
00:27:35,625 --> 00:27:37,000
Wow, I did not know
that statistic.
618
00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:39,708
-I-I find that interesting.
-TRAVIS: One thing I'll mention.
619
00:27:39,833 --> 00:27:41,500
When we launch rockets,
620
00:27:41,708 --> 00:27:44,708
uh, more times than not,
our instruments pick up
621
00:27:44,875 --> 00:27:49,625
something unusual, including
what we perceive as UAP.
622
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:52,667
And so, uh, is it a coincidence
623
00:27:52,833 --> 00:27:55,167
or are we actually
stimulating or triggering
624
00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:56,833
some sort of phenomena to occur?
625
00:27:57,042 --> 00:27:59,375
So even something like this,
a UAP like this.
626
00:27:59,542 --> 00:28:01,208
You-you think you might actually
be triggering it by launching.
627
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,333
There's clearly correlation
is all we can say.
628
00:28:04,375 --> 00:28:06,417
RYAN:
I applaud you for what you guys
are doing to actually
629
00:28:06,583 --> 00:28:07,750
see what's out here.
630
00:28:07,917 --> 00:28:09,667
TRAVIS:
Well, with that in mind, we have
631
00:28:09,875 --> 00:28:12,958
a, uh, a-a fairly complex
experiment planned.
632
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:15,750
And so,
we're hoping to get a lot
633
00:28:15,917 --> 00:28:17,917
of data from that tonight,
and we'll be happy to have
634
00:28:18,083 --> 00:28:20,000
you join us
if you're interested in, uh,
635
00:28:20,167 --> 00:28:23,750
maybe adding another set
of the Mark One Eyeball sensor
636
00:28:23,875 --> 00:28:26,458
on-onto the, uh,
onto the problem.
637
00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:28,958
Absolutely, I'd love to.
Thanks for having me.
638
00:28:29,167 --> 00:28:30,667
This is great.
Well, we got stuff to do.
639
00:28:30,833 --> 00:28:33,792
Let's get out there
and get going.
640
00:28:37,625 --> 00:28:38,625
Hey, Dragon, Thomas?
641
00:28:38,792 --> 00:28:40,917
Do you guys copy?
642
00:28:41,042 --> 00:28:42,458
Yeah, we're ready
on this end, Travis.
643
00:28:42,583 --> 00:28:43,958
Copy that.
644
00:28:44,125 --> 00:28:46,208
All right, they're gonna
launch the four rockets
645
00:28:46,375 --> 00:28:48,375
simultaneous with us.
646
00:28:48,542 --> 00:28:51,667
Uh, you guys are gonna run
the rockets launch, all right?
647
00:28:51,792 --> 00:28:53,292
Kaleb, you're gonna
run the lidar,
648
00:28:53,458 --> 00:28:54,833
uh, with the SLAM scanner.
649
00:28:55,042 --> 00:28:57,792
Pete, you're gonna fly
what on the drone?
650
00:28:57,875 --> 00:28:59,917
-Uh, thermal.
-Okay.
651
00:29:00,042 --> 00:29:02,542
Our airplane experiment
a couple of days ago
652
00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:05,000
unfortunately didn't get us
any more data
653
00:29:05,208 --> 00:29:06,833
on the massive
cone-shaped anomaly
654
00:29:07,042 --> 00:29:08,958
we recently detected
that spanned
655
00:29:09,083 --> 00:29:11,167
from Homestead Two
through the triangle,
656
00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:13,167
all the way over
to the east field.
657
00:29:13,333 --> 00:29:16,292
So tonight,
we're gonna see if launching
658
00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:18,250
a number of rockets
while employing thermal
659
00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:20,167
and lidar technology
might do the trick.
660
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:23,542
And we're really excited
to have Ryan Graves
661
00:29:23,708 --> 00:29:25,250
and Jay Stratton here to help.
662
00:29:25,375 --> 00:29:28,917
Jay, Ryan if you don't mind,
watch the screens here.
663
00:29:29,083 --> 00:29:31,708
If we see any signals come up,
let me know.
664
00:29:31,875 --> 00:29:34,000
And keep an eye outside
at the sky, right?
665
00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:36,292
'Cause you never know
what's gonna happen.
666
00:29:36,458 --> 00:29:40,167
Tonight, our friends from LOC
Precision Rockets have designed
667
00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:43,000
two multi-rocket
launching systems.
668
00:29:43,208 --> 00:29:45,667
One will be stationed
at the triangle
669
00:29:45,833 --> 00:29:48,583
and the other will be
over at the east field.
670
00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:51,000
Each station will conduct
two rounds of
671
00:29:51,208 --> 00:29:53,750
four simultaneous
rocket launches
672
00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:56,333
for a grand total of 16 rockets.
673
00:29:56,458 --> 00:29:58,500
The hope is
that they might hit something
674
00:29:58,708 --> 00:30:02,333
in the air or trigger phenomena
that will give us more data
675
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,125
about what that massive cone
we detected could possibly be.
676
00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:09,375
All right.
677
00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:10,792
Is that all four?
678
00:30:10,958 --> 00:30:12,000
-Yep.
-Are the lights on in that one?
679
00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:13,500
Yep, lights are on.
680
00:30:13,667 --> 00:30:15,333
TRAVIS:
Meanwhile,
681
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,083
we'll be scanning the area
with an infrared lidar drone
682
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,000
as well as
a FLIR thermal camera,
683
00:30:20,167 --> 00:30:23,167
which Ryan Graves
will personally monitor
684
00:30:23,333 --> 00:30:26,333
to look for any signs
of the cone-shaped anomaly
685
00:30:26,458 --> 00:30:28,417
or other phenomena
that we might not be able
686
00:30:28,542 --> 00:30:30,000
to see with the naked eye.
687
00:30:37,083 --> 00:30:38,667
Yeah, Bryant, we are clear.
688
00:30:38,833 --> 00:30:41,000
TRAVIS:
And all during the experiment,
689
00:30:41,208 --> 00:30:43,792
Erik will be in
the command center monitoring us
690
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,500
on his surveillance cameras
and keeping a close eye
691
00:30:46,667 --> 00:30:48,333
on his new Kraken system.
692
00:30:50,042 --> 00:30:52,708
This is a new array of antennas
that can pinpoint
693
00:30:52,917 --> 00:30:55,333
the location of
any strange radio signals,
694
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:59,417
like the ones at 1.6 gigahertz
that we often detect out here.
695
00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:03,250
Hopefully, tonight will
reveal something incredible.
696
00:31:03,458 --> 00:31:05,792
Okay, does everybody know
what we're doing?
697
00:31:05,875 --> 00:31:07,875
All right, let's go.
Let's do it.
698
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:12,417
RYAN:
I was tasked with monitoring
the thermal camera.
699
00:31:12,583 --> 00:31:14,208
My experience monitoring
700
00:31:14,375 --> 00:31:16,125
the AT-FLIR in the F-18,
uh, Travis thought
701
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:17,750
it'd be a good idea
for me to keep
702
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:19,583
my eyes open on the FLIR
to see if I could see
703
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:20,917
anything that looked familiar.
704
00:31:21,083 --> 00:31:22,250
Okay, taking off.
705
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:30,750
Hey, Dragon, Thomas,
you guys copy?
706
00:31:30,875 --> 00:31:32,417
Yeah, go ahead, Travis.
707
00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:34,167
TRAVIS (over walkie):
We are very close.
708
00:31:34,375 --> 00:31:36,542
Uh, the lights are ready
on the rockets.
709
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:38,583
We have a drone in the air.
710
00:31:38,792 --> 00:31:42,125
Uh, Kaleb is about
to start the lidar here.
711
00:31:43,208 --> 00:31:44,875
Copy that.
712
00:31:45,042 --> 00:31:47,083
I'm gonna go down and start
that terrestrial scanner.
713
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:49,208
Okay, I'm gonna get out here
where I can see you, guys.
714
00:31:51,708 --> 00:31:53,250
All armed.
715
00:31:53,417 --> 00:31:54,833
TRAVIS (over walkie):
Rockets are going hot!
716
00:31:55,042 --> 00:31:56,833
THOMAS:
Ten, nine,
717
00:31:57,042 --> 00:32:00,500
eight, seven, six,
718
00:32:00,625 --> 00:32:01,792
five, four,
719
00:32:01,917 --> 00:32:05,958
three, two, one.
720
00:32:08,125 --> 00:32:10,167
TRAVIS:
Oh! Did you see that?
721
00:32:13,917 --> 00:32:16,417
THOMAS (over walkie):
Three, two, one.
722
00:32:20,042 --> 00:32:21,833
TRAVIS:
Oh! Did you see that? (whoops)
723
00:32:22,042 --> 00:32:23,667
ALLEN:
I see strobes.
724
00:32:23,833 --> 00:32:25,667
KALEB:
I've seen three.
725
00:32:25,833 --> 00:32:28,542
TRAVIS:
We got one lawn dart somewhere.
726
00:32:28,708 --> 00:32:31,167
Okay, I only have two rockets
in the air right now.
727
00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:34,167
-Do y'all see the third one?
-DAVE: Yeah, I got three.
728
00:32:34,375 --> 00:32:36,667
Look at them go.
729
00:32:36,792 --> 00:32:39,042
What's weird is
that one's headed north
730
00:32:39,208 --> 00:32:41,083
and that one's headed
almost south.
731
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,667
DAVE:
How does that work?
732
00:32:42,792 --> 00:32:44,042
THOMAS:
How can you have two chutes
733
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:45,375
being blown
different directions?
734
00:32:45,542 --> 00:32:47,458
DAVE: They're right next
to each other.
735
00:32:49,375 --> 00:32:51,583
TRAVIS: Oh, we got three
in the valley here.
736
00:32:53,875 --> 00:32:56,458
Whoa, they're coming down slow.
737
00:32:57,958 --> 00:32:59,500
Hey, Thomas,
738
00:32:59,667 --> 00:33:02,042
do you copy?
739
00:33:02,167 --> 00:33:03,417
Yeah, go ahead, Travis.
740
00:33:03,583 --> 00:33:07,000
TRAVIS:
We had four successful launches.
741
00:33:07,125 --> 00:33:09,875
Three of the chutes
deployed properly.
742
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,833
How did yours do?
743
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,500
Well, that's very interesting.
744
00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:16,500
We had four that launched,
uh, on time.
745
00:33:25,458 --> 00:33:27,792
We had two coming down
right next to each other.
746
00:33:27,958 --> 00:33:31,917
One got blown clear to the north
and the one right next to it
747
00:33:32,125 --> 00:33:34,250
got blown to the south
simultaneously.
748
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:40,167
DAVE:
We've seen things here
at Skinwalker Ranch
749
00:33:40,292 --> 00:33:42,417
that you just
don't see elsewhere.
750
00:33:42,583 --> 00:33:45,250
We've been doing this
for over 30 years,
751
00:33:45,417 --> 00:33:47,000
and so when rockets start going
752
00:33:47,167 --> 00:33:48,375
a different direction
than predicted,
753
00:33:48,583 --> 00:33:49,792
you kind of got
to raise a hand and say,
754
00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:51,333
"Well, why did that happen?"
755
00:33:51,542 --> 00:33:53,083
But at Skinwalker Ranch,
we've found out things are
756
00:33:53,208 --> 00:33:55,208
anything but normal
trying to fly rockets.
757
00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:57,250
And the answers
don't aways come easily.
758
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,125
TRAVIS:
Yeah, go ahead, Erik.
759
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,042
ERIK:
Um, during the launches,
760
00:34:02,208 --> 00:34:05,000
the Kraken has been tracking
761
00:34:05,167 --> 00:34:07,333
a very consistent
1.6 gigahertz signal
762
00:34:07,542 --> 00:34:12,125
from the triangle, uh,
down to the southern fence line.
763
00:34:13,625 --> 00:34:16,292
TRAVIS:
Wow, that's kind of
the direction the rockets went.
764
00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:22,583
I'd love to have validation, uh,
from your instruments out there
765
00:34:22,792 --> 00:34:24,667
and see if you're
picking up the same thing.
766
00:34:24,792 --> 00:34:27,750
Okay, I'm running, um--
I'm gonna turn this antenna.
767
00:34:27,917 --> 00:34:30,083
Erik says it's to the south.
768
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:32,292
We weren't sure what to make
769
00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,000
of the malfunctions
that happened
770
00:34:34,208 --> 00:34:35,833
with the first launch
of eight rockets
771
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,875
between the east field
and the triangle.
772
00:34:38,042 --> 00:34:39,417
But then, when Erik said
773
00:34:39,542 --> 00:34:41,833
he was detecting
a 1.6 gigahertz signal
774
00:34:42,042 --> 00:34:43,500
on his Kraken system,
775
00:34:43,708 --> 00:34:45,667
coming from somewhere
south of the triangle,
776
00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:48,333
it made me wonder if these
two things were connected.
777
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,708
Come on, come on,
come on, come on.
778
00:34:52,917 --> 00:34:54,583
Yeah.
779
00:34:54,708 --> 00:34:56,750
That is really weird.
780
00:34:56,917 --> 00:34:58,333
So we're getting
some kind of signal,
781
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,083
and that's the antenna
that's pointed back here
782
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:01,292
where Erik said
there was something
783
00:35:01,375 --> 00:35:03,458
-coming up on the Kraken.
-Yeah.
784
00:35:03,583 --> 00:35:07,083
TRAVIS (over walkie):
Hey, uh, Dragon, Thomas,
you copy?
785
00:35:07,208 --> 00:35:09,625
Yes, Travis, we copy you.
786
00:35:09,833 --> 00:35:11,875
Did you guys hear, uh, Erik?
787
00:35:12,042 --> 00:35:14,000
Uh, we've got
a 1.6 gigahertz signal,
788
00:35:14,167 --> 00:35:17,958
according to the Kraken,
uh, south of us somewhere.
789
00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:19,667
I find that interesting.
790
00:35:19,833 --> 00:35:20,833
THOMAS:
We agree.
791
00:35:22,583 --> 00:35:24,750
TRAVIS:
Erik, let's keep an eye on that.
792
00:35:24,875 --> 00:35:26,583
Understood, Travis.
793
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:28,125
I'm watching.
794
00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:32,167
The Kraken antenna array system,
whose purpose
795
00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:34,417
is to direction find
796
00:35:34,542 --> 00:35:36,833
and tell us where signals
are coming from,
797
00:35:37,042 --> 00:35:39,000
indicates that we have
798
00:35:39,125 --> 00:35:43,292
a source of 1.6 gigahertz
799
00:35:43,417 --> 00:35:46,000
electromagnetic radiation
that is, in fact,
800
00:35:46,167 --> 00:35:47,833
to the south
and west of the ranch.
801
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,458
Now, why would that
be happening?
802
00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:51,250
As far as we can tell,
there's nothing
803
00:35:51,417 --> 00:35:53,833
from what would be
south of the fence line
804
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,458
that should account for that.
805
00:35:55,667 --> 00:35:57,875
TRAVIS (over walkie):
All right, be advised.
806
00:35:58,042 --> 00:36:00,250
I think this is gonna be
our last launch for the evening.
807
00:36:05,667 --> 00:36:06,792
Copy that.
808
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:11,000
TRAVIS (over walkie):
Hey, can we get
everybody back into position
809
00:36:11,167 --> 00:36:12,833
for our next test, please?
810
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,583
All right, guys.
811
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:15,875
-Thomas, you calling?
-THOMAS (over walkie): Yeah.
812
00:36:16,042 --> 00:36:19,500
Five, four, three,
813
00:36:19,625 --> 00:36:21,125
two, one.
814
00:36:24,292 --> 00:36:26,417
TRAVIS:
We have four rockets.
815
00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:30,833
One chute.
816
00:36:36,042 --> 00:36:38,542
Oh, I only see one chute.
817
00:36:40,292 --> 00:36:43,167
Two, three, four.
We got all four chutes.
818
00:36:44,792 --> 00:36:47,000
Yeah, I can see theirs, too.
819
00:36:47,125 --> 00:36:49,583
They're coming
right down on top of us.
820
00:36:50,708 --> 00:36:51,625
Oh, what's that?
821
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:53,583
Right there. What's that?
822
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,750
We got something, Travis.
823
00:37:01,917 --> 00:37:03,792
You found something?
824
00:37:04,708 --> 00:37:06,333
Yeah, it was
in the cloud layer up here,
825
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,958
and it was descending down.
826
00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:15,917
TRAVIS:
Erik, be advised.
827
00:37:16,083 --> 00:37:19,000
Uh, Ryan just saw
something in, uh,
828
00:37:19,125 --> 00:37:21,417
the thermal camera.
829
00:37:21,625 --> 00:37:24,500
Uh, from our perspective
at the triangle,
830
00:37:24,708 --> 00:37:26,292
it was northeast,
831
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,708
and it was while
the rockets were in the air.
832
00:37:29,875 --> 00:37:30,917
Okay, guys, be advised.
833
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,167
There is
no transponding traffic,
834
00:37:33,375 --> 00:37:34,667
uh, in that location.
835
00:37:34,875 --> 00:37:37,125
There's nothing
to the north of the ranch,
836
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:39,292
and there has not
been anything, uh,
837
00:37:39,458 --> 00:37:41,833
flying to the north
of the ranch on the ADS-B
838
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,833
for the last several minutes.
839
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,625
Well, that's very interesting.
840
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:49,083
Just after launching our
second series of eight rockets
841
00:37:49,208 --> 00:37:51,417
between the east field
and the triangle,
842
00:37:51,542 --> 00:37:55,208
former Navy pilot Ryan Graves
spotted a UAP in the sky
843
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:56,542
on our thermal camera.
844
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:59,083
No one else happened
to see it in the moment,
845
00:37:59,208 --> 00:38:02,125
but then Erik confirmed
that his ADS-B system,
846
00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:04,000
which tracks
conventional aircraft
847
00:38:04,208 --> 00:38:07,542
within 150 miles of the ranch,
didn't pick it up either.
848
00:38:07,708 --> 00:38:11,333
So if it wasn't an airplane,
what the heck did Ryan see?
849
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:12,833
PETE:
We got to watch that again.
850
00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:18,583
-TRAVIS: That's moving fast.
-RYAN: Yeah.
851
00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:20,667
TRAVIS:
Then you see it turn, too.
852
00:38:20,792 --> 00:38:21,958
-It looked like it did
a maneuver.
-RYAN: It did. Yep.
853
00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:24,250
That thing is moving fast.
854
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:28,042
Those clouds are
five miles away at least.
855
00:38:28,208 --> 00:38:29,917
So that thing is moving.
856
00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:33,500
And to the northeast again.
857
00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:35,500
TRAVIS: And to the northeast.
Yeah, right there.
858
00:38:35,708 --> 00:38:37,708
Right there at
the, uh, in-and-out spot.
859
00:38:37,875 --> 00:38:40,000
Kind of looked like
it was diving down.
860
00:38:41,208 --> 00:38:42,042
TRAVIS:
Absolutely did.
861
00:38:42,208 --> 00:38:44,292
That's a great catch.
862
00:38:44,417 --> 00:38:46,667
It looked like it went
behind the clouds, didn't it?
863
00:38:48,042 --> 00:38:49,750
This UAP, whatever it was,
864
00:38:49,875 --> 00:38:52,333
descended right down
toward the mesa,
865
00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:54,167
and then seemed to disappear
866
00:38:54,375 --> 00:38:56,417
right where we've
previously recorded video
867
00:38:56,583 --> 00:38:58,833
of other UAPs exiting the mesa
868
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,375
and then flying
right toward the triangle.
869
00:39:03,292 --> 00:39:04,875
Erik Bard.
870
00:39:05,083 --> 00:39:08,333
I don't know if it's connected
to the huge cone-shaped anomaly,
871
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,833
but it definitely appeared
within its boundaries.
872
00:39:10,958 --> 00:39:12,667
So, what could it have been?
873
00:39:12,833 --> 00:39:14,625
Well, I think
we got a lot of data.
874
00:39:14,833 --> 00:39:17,167
Did I hear right
that one of you guys
875
00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:18,708
caught something
flying into the mesa?
876
00:39:19,792 --> 00:39:24,208
Ryan saw it on, uh, thermal
while Pete was flying the drone.
877
00:39:24,375 --> 00:39:27,458
-Towards the out?
-TRAVIS: Yeah, right by the out.
878
00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:29,250
And it made a maneuver, too,
as it came down.
879
00:39:29,417 --> 00:39:30,833
-It made a big turn.
-It did. It did.
-Oh, wow.
880
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,667
-It made a jog to the east.
-Oh, wow.
881
00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:35,208
Yeah, I'm gonna say
it was moving really fast.
882
00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:37,083
RYAN:
I think it's very important
that they continue doing
883
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:38,958
what they're doing
here at the ranch,
884
00:39:39,125 --> 00:39:40,667
because at the end of the day,
885
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:42,375
we're really only gonna be able
to understand this
886
00:39:42,542 --> 00:39:44,750
if we're able to understand
in a repeatable manner.
887
00:39:44,875 --> 00:39:46,500
You know, they seem to be
getting data here.
888
00:39:46,708 --> 00:39:48,458
There seems to be something
that is happening.
889
00:39:48,625 --> 00:39:50,292
It started pretty high
up in the sky,
890
00:39:50,458 --> 00:39:52,333
and it was moving down
pretty quick.
891
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:53,917
I would be thrilled
to continue to work
892
00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:56,125
with the team to help
figure out what this is,
893
00:39:56,292 --> 00:39:59,500
and we can continue the
conversation and gather data.
894
00:39:59,667 --> 00:40:01,542
You know, on my display,
I see an indication
895
00:40:01,708 --> 00:40:04,208
of where that 1.6 gigahertz
is coming from,
896
00:40:04,375 --> 00:40:06,667
and throughout
our entire exercise tonight,
897
00:40:06,875 --> 00:40:08,667
it's been pointing
predominantly,
898
00:40:08,833 --> 00:40:10,167
you know,
out that way somewhere.
899
00:40:10,333 --> 00:40:12,458
That sounds really odd.
900
00:40:12,583 --> 00:40:14,125
But, uh, I'm ready
to break it down.
901
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:16,542
All right, well, you know, I
think it's a-a great experiment.
902
00:40:16,708 --> 00:40:19,792
Yeah, and thanks again
for all you guys being here.
903
00:40:19,875 --> 00:40:21,333
We appreciate it.
904
00:40:21,542 --> 00:40:22,917
TRAVIS:
All right.
905
00:40:25,375 --> 00:40:26,917
The entire world wants
to know the truth
906
00:40:27,042 --> 00:40:28,833
behind the UAP phenomenon.
907
00:40:28,958 --> 00:40:31,167
There's too many
credible witnesses out there,
908
00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:33,500
like Ryan Graves
and Jay Stratton,
909
00:40:33,583 --> 00:40:36,917
to deny that this is one of
the great mysteries of our time.
910
00:40:38,208 --> 00:40:40,167
As we've all
just witnessed again,
911
00:40:40,375 --> 00:40:44,333
the answers may lie hidden
right here on Skinwalker Ranch.
912
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:46,333
So we're gonna keep
poking this nest
913
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,958
until we reveal what they are.
914
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,167
ERIK:
It really seems that we've
had company in the skies
915
00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:54,792
during aviation exercises.
916
00:40:54,958 --> 00:40:57,750
The more we do this work in
the airspace over the triangle,
917
00:40:57,917 --> 00:40:59,958
the more I'm thinking about
what additional tools
918
00:41:00,083 --> 00:41:02,417
could be brought to bear
on this problem,
919
00:41:02,583 --> 00:41:05,000
to study
this very interesting region
920
00:41:05,208 --> 00:41:06,833
of the airspace over the ranch.
921
00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:09,500
BRANDON:
To have an American hero,
922
00:41:09,625 --> 00:41:11,417
like Ryan Graves,
923
00:41:11,583 --> 00:41:15,167
come to the ranch
and to witness with his own eyes
924
00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:16,500
the high strangeness
925
00:41:16,708 --> 00:41:19,917
and the reality
of the investigation
926
00:41:20,083 --> 00:41:21,750
is a privilege.
927
00:41:21,917 --> 00:41:24,958
We will continue to engage
experts, like Ryan,
928
00:41:25,125 --> 00:41:28,000
in service to helping us
better understand
929
00:41:28,083 --> 00:41:30,708
what is happening
at Skinwalker Ranch.
930
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:35,583
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