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When I was little, I would try
to intimidate my dad.
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He would be on the couch,
and I would come
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up to him and I would flex
my muscles like Superman,
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and I'd say as stern as
I could at four or five,
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"I'm made of steel,"
and he would laugh and punch me
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in the stomach and knock
the wind out of me.
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I would lay there and gasp.
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He would taunt me.
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He would stand over me
and repeat my words.
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"Oh, you're made of steel, huh?
What happened?
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What... I thought you were
made of steel?"
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And if I got back up
and did it again,
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he would punch me again, as many
times as I would stand there,
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he'd punch me in the gut
and knock the wind out of me.
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What I remember, is feeling
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so defeated that
he hadn't backed down.
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I remember feeling
like such a failure,
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that my plan to intimidate him
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hadn't worked at all.
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I felt really helpless.
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The lasting effects
of the trauma
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in my life
wouldn't just go away,
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and so I just forced
myself to do the things
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I needed to do to get here
to tell the story.
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I was the only one who knew
my dad's secrets.
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The stories are horrifying.
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He did monstrous things.
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It's so bad.
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This photo just makes me mad.
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Harley in the living room.
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He's got a goat in his lap,
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and he thought he was so tough,
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but he was just a jerk
a lot of the time.
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When I was a kid, I'd look at
this photo, and he looked
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so intimidating to me.
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He's big and scary and... and
could come at me at any minute.
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I look at it now, and I just...
I think, you know,
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what a.
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And I was always hoping
that he loved me
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and didn't want to hurt me.
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But he was...
He was a violent man.
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I always thought that well,
okay, yeah, I got hit today.
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But you know,
I'll do better tomorrow.
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I couldn't see the future,
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but I was always
naively optimistic.
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I was born in Humboldt County
in the Redwoods in
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California on
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80 acres of farmland
and timberland with my mom
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and my dad.
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It's hard for me to remember
happy memories with my dad,
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because the scary times were
so common
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and so much more intense,
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and one of them was when
my dad put me in the oven.
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My memory starts
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all cramped up in the oven
and the door opening.
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I don't remember getting put
in the oven, but I clearly
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remember being in the oven,
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crouched up and cramped in
there and the door opening
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and my dad being there,
and my mom
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was just standing
behind him watching.
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My mom knew better than
to intervene
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in what my dad was doing.
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Get out.
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I remember being
let out of the oven.
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My dad believed
that children are to be seen
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and not heard, and he was very
serious about it.
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Like, do I understand
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that I'm never to speak
without being spoken to?
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Did you learn your lesson?
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He said, "The next time you
speak without being spoken to,
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I'm gonna turn it on."
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Don't do it again!
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And I remember that all
so clearly... I was terrified,
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and I believed that he might
cook me in the oven.
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Well, there's this phrase,
"I brought you
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into this world,
and I'll take you out."
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And my dad told me that often,
and he believed it.
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If you don't learn to behave,
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I will get rid of you
once and for all.
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If he chose to kill me
because I wasn't obeying,
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that was his right,
and he was gonna do it.
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He was trying to rule me
through fear.
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Get out of here!
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And I would go
in my room and cry
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and... and vow to not be
so evil anymore.
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I thought the problem
was with me.
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As a little kid,
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I thought he was going to
kill me.
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I believed I might die.
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So my dad read the Bible a lot,
and he believed that if God
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didn't want him to do something,
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God wouldn't let him.
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My dad thought that women
need to
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be beaten and that
that was his job.
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I have this vague,
troubling memory of
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being in my room
and reading my books,
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And in those memories,
I can hear her crying out.
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How many
times do I have to tell you?
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I'm sorry!
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I could hear the blows,
just crashes and bangs.
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I won't
do it again, I promise.
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And I wanted to protect
my mom.
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Why did you make me do this?!
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Please, honey, stop!
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So at some point,
I had a knife
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and I had gone to confront
my dad
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and try to intimidate him
with this knife.
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And things turned...
He got very angry,
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and he took the knife from me,
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and I ran.
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I went under
the dining room table,
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and my dad followed me
and came right under the table
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with me.
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And there was this crazy
intensity to him,
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and he was in my face,
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ordering me
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to open my mouth.
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Open up!
Now!
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He stuck the knife in my mouth
and told me to close my mouth.
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He was yelling at me
something to
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the effect of, "You come at me
with this knife,
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- I'll slit your throat.
- I'll kill you."
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No one is going to threaten me!
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You understand?!
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And I could feel the blade
touching my tongue.
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Then I remember
feeling so afraid.
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Hmm, when I think about it,
like, it just... it's...
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A shock inside my body just to
remember that... how that felt.
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And I guess it just...
He just stopped.
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I don't know what happened next.
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I... you know, but I do know
that as an adult,
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I don't like to watch other
people using kitchen knives.
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I have, um, like
an irrational fear.
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I don't know that I ever
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stood up to him again
after that.
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Like, maybe not for a long time.
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But it was so real, you know?
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Just years and years
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after that, I just...
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I didn't fight back...
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anymore.
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I watched my dad kill my pets
when he was angry,
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and I just learned not to get
attached to things.
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If I had a dog that took
a scrap off
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the table or peed on the rug
one too many times,
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we would go outside,
and he would have me
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hold their collar while
he shot them in the head.
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He would walk away
and tell me to bury them,
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and I did that more times than
I want to remember.
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You know, we never
had a dog that
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made it past, like,
two or three years old.
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I don't know
how I processed that.
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I didn't want to feel that pain,
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and I just learned to shut
myself off inside.
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I spent a lot of time
in my room when I was a kid.
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He had a lock on the outside
of my door,
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and I would sit there
and fantasize,
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I would go into these daydreams.
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On the opposite wall,
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kind of right next to my bed,
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there was a door, a tiny
little door, and I would tell
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people in school how my dad
had built this little door
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for me.
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It was very comforting
to know that I had
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a door, and I could leave
if I wanted to.
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I believed it was true
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until, um, about 10 years ago,
I was... I was talking with
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a friend and telling him
stories, and he said,
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"I don't... I don't understand
why your dad would put a lock
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"in the hallway on your door
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"but then also provide you
a little door to the outside.
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Where did that door go?"
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I couldn't answer.
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I didn't know what the other
side of the door looked like.
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It hit me all at once
that there was never a door,
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and that was part of
my way of coping.
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I had imagined that
that door was there.
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I think it was too hard
to accept
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that I was trapped
in that house with him,
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and I needed...
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I needed something,
I needed some kind of fantasy,
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something to believe in,
some way out.
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That was a big part
of how I survived.
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My whole life,
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my dad was a commercial
fisherman, and he had a boat.
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My mom worked with my dad on
the fishing boat,
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and when they would leave
to go on fishing trips,
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they would leave me
with my grandparents.
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So one day, just before
lunchtime, my grandparents were
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in the kitchen
listening to the radio,
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and it was a report
that the fishing vessel,
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Fame I, had capsized in
the entrance to the harbor
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and that the Coast Guard
had pulled
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one person off of the boat,
but it's believed that there's
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another one on board, and they
haven't been able to find them.
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Let me call down there
and see what's going on.
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When I heard
the radio report that
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one person had been recovered
from the boat,
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I was immediately hoping
that it was my mom.
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The next thing I remember is
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walking down a corridor in
the Coast Guard.
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The officer opened the door.
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Sitting in a chair at
a little table was my dad.
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And I felt this welling like,
"Oh, my God, my mom's dead."
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But I... like, right away,
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I knew I needed
to shove that down.
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I knew I couldn't
express to him that
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I was so disappointed
that it was him
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that made it.
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He started to tell me
his version
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of what had happened that day.
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The initial story was that he
and my mom were just out there
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in their boat, and a big wave
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flipped them upside down,
and the water had washed
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through and trapped my mom
inside and pushed him out.
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You know, I was six,
so I just believed him.
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He was my dad.
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And I said, "Come on, Dad,
let's go home."
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So we went home.
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I rode home with my dad, and he
didn't hug me or comfort me.
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We never talked about her
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or that her life was over.
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There's never been
an investigation
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into any kind of wrongful death.
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My mom's death was ruled
an accidental drowning.
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The boat was never recovered.
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Her body was never recovered.
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And I do remember being
completely preoccupied
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with the horror
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of she's gone, and now I have
to... to face him.
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"Search continues for
missing woman.
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"According to a Coast
Guard spokesman,
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"one diver searched
90 percent of the Fame L
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and did not find the woman."
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"The only section not searched
was the boat's engine room,
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"he said, indicating that it
was not likely
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she would be inside."
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30 years later,
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I was looking through old
photo albums, and I had
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the newspaper clippings.
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One of these newspaper
articles said that
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the engine room was locked.
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I read that,
and it hit me how odd
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that seemed, because nobody
locks their engine room.
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I told my grandmother right
then, "I... I think, you know,
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"I'd like to go down
to the Coast Guard
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"while I'm here in town
and... and ask them,
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"you know, if they have
any more information
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about what happened,"
and she dropped whatever was in
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her hands, and...
And she looked so disturbed,
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and she said, "Oh, Sammy,
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"you think he killed her,
and now you're gonna open
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"all this up and...
And... and create
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all this drama
or this problem."
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I hadn't said that
I thought he killed her.
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I realized when she said that,
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that... that she thought
he killed her
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and had all this time just gone
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along with the story of
the accident.
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That was the day that I realized
that I had been lied to.
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I think my dad killed my mom
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because he found out that
she had been saving up money
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to leave.
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And he didn't want her to
leave, and he wanted that money.
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It was within six months or so,
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he had, um, purchased
a new boat with her money
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and named it
the Claire Louise after he.
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When I was about 10, my dad
got married to his girlfriend.
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Her name was Nina.
I liked her.
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They were happy together,
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but within a month of them
getting married,
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things started
to not be so great.
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So one day, he had beaten her
up really badly,
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and Nina must have reported
this to the police,
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because they came
and picked my dad up in
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the middle of the night
and arrested him.
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My grandparents would bring me
up to visit my dad in jail.
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The bulk of every visit was
him talking to me on the phone,
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and the only thing he wanted
to talk about was his story
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that he wanted me to practice.
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His story was that he was
innocently driving,
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and she became irrational
and angry,
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and she grabbed the steering
wheel and tried to wreck
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the truck and kill us.
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And he heroically maybe hit
her once to try to save
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our lives, and she's blowing it
out of proportion.
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What are you gonna say?
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He programmed me
and... and drove it into me
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and made me repeat it
back to him.
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I was expected to... to testify
on his behalf that
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it was all Nina's fault,
and he was the innocent victim.
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I felt threatened.
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It's not like I had a choice,
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and he got found not guilty
on all six counts.
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After he got found not guilty,
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it empowered him to be
so brazen and so bold.
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He definitely went around
bragging to... to people in town
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that he could get away with
whatever he wanted,
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and nobody can stop him.
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So my dad would often tell me
stuff I didn't need to hear.
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I was 15 and had
my driver's permit,
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00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:16,605
and I was supposed to be
learning how to drive a car.
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00:18:16,629 --> 00:18:20,431
But instead,
he had other lessons.
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Had a lot of
good times in here.
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00:18:22,001 --> 00:18:23,779
Soon, you will, too.
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Part of his idea of being
a dad or training me to be
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a man was to tell me a lot of
stories of women
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that he date raped,
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women that he would get
alone in his car,
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and then he would
overpower them.
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He didn't call it that,
you know, because he was telling
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me, look, girls want you to do
this stuff, and, you know,
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they might say no, but you
just... you know, you can't be
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a sissy, you gotta,
you know, force 'em.
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Give me your arm.
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00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:52,330
And he was showing me
how to do it.
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So he said, "So let's say
we're... you're sitting here,
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right, and you're my date,"
and he had me put my arm
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behind him... so he said,
"So see, I'm laying on that arm,
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so that arm,
you can't even get to it."
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00:19:03,442 --> 00:19:05,420
And he's like, "So if you're
making out with a girl,
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"and you get this far,
you don't have to stop.
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00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,848
"You reach around behind them,
hook your hand under their arm,
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00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:13,751
and now you've got both of
their arms trapped."
325
00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:15,319
Now try and move.
326
00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:18,701
"My other hand's free
to unzip your pants
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"and do whatever I want to do.
328
00:19:20,927 --> 00:19:22,204
"And that's... you know,
pretty soon,
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00:19:22,228 --> 00:19:24,829
they get into it, you know?
So that's how you do it."
330
00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:28,399
They all want it.
So give it to 'em, right?
331
00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:31,102
I wasn't interested in
learning how to do that kind
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of thing,
but he wanted to hear me
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00:19:34,207 --> 00:19:36,040
be excited about raping women
334
00:19:36,142 --> 00:19:38,943
so it would prove
that I wasn't gay.
335
00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:41,646
I don't think
I want to do it like that.
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00:19:41,747 --> 00:19:45,816
And he flipped out...
He went on a rampage.
337
00:19:45,918 --> 00:19:49,086
He was gonna beat
the gay out of me.
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00:19:51,124 --> 00:19:53,469
He would say, "Sammy,
you're never gonna have
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00:19:53,493 --> 00:19:55,860
"a woman that loves you,
340
00:19:55,962 --> 00:19:58,229
"because you don't have
the guts to hit 'em,
341
00:19:59,832 --> 00:20:03,179
and... and women need to be
beat up and retrained."
342
00:20:03,203 --> 00:20:06,282
You're just gonna
let 'em walk right all over you?!
343
00:20:06,306 --> 00:20:08,339
"And you're too much of
a sissy to do it."
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00:20:08,441 --> 00:20:09,919
I don't remember how
that all ended up,
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00:20:09,943 --> 00:20:11,709
but I... I got hit a lot
that day.
346
00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:16,091
I would fantasize
about escaping,
347
00:20:16,115 --> 00:20:20,296
but I didn't know how
to make my own choices,
348
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,553
so the world seemed scary.
349
00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:26,624
And so I never had
the courage to leave.
350
00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:37,101
My dad spent a lot of time
at the bars
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00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:38,836
when I was a teenager,
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00:20:38,938 --> 00:20:43,241
and Patty was... was one of
the woman who was
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00:20:43,309 --> 00:20:45,087
often at the bar, and he would
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00:20:45,111 --> 00:20:48,613
bring her out for an evening
or a couple of nights.
355
00:20:50,049 --> 00:20:51,794
I liked Patty.
She was nice.
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00:20:51,818 --> 00:20:55,620
This one particular time,
I was in my room,
357
00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:57,722
but I could hear him
hitting her...
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00:20:57,857 --> 00:20:59,624
Please! Stop!
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00:20:59,725 --> 00:21:02,304
And her crying out
in pain.
360
00:21:02,328 --> 00:21:04,128
Sam!
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00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:07,632
He brought her out
and showed me
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00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:08,877
the bruises all over her.
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00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:10,534
Her face was black and blue.
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00:21:10,636 --> 00:21:13,682
Her arms were black and blue,
and he said, you know,
365
00:21:13,706 --> 00:21:17,541
"I can't... can't let her go,
because if she goes to
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00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:19,688
"the police then, you know,
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00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:23,859
that would be another trial,
and possible jail time."
368
00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:25,394
What the hell
am I supposed to do?
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00:21:25,418 --> 00:21:27,852
- Just let me go home, please.
- Shut up!
370
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,699
And she swore, "No,
I won't go to the police."
371
00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:33,157
And... and he said,
"Well you know,
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00:21:33,226 --> 00:21:35,604
"I'm not gonna take that
chance and, you know,
373
00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:37,061
"I don't believe you.
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00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:39,230
So you're gonna stay here
until you heal."
375
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,334
And I could see that she was
frightened by that.
376
00:21:43,403 --> 00:21:45,036
Dad said, "Well, we've...
We've...
377
00:21:45,104 --> 00:21:46,181
"I've got to go check
on the boat,
378
00:21:46,205 --> 00:21:47,783
what are we gonna do with her?"
379
00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:49,340
And he couldn't leave her
there alone,
380
00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:52,043
and he couldn't bring her
with us.
381
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:53,544
What about the old tree?
382
00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:59,417
I didn't want him to entertain
having to kill her,
383
00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:02,320
and so I came up with
the stump as an option.
384
00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:13,331
There was an old growth stump
behind the house,
385
00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:17,379
a big redwood stump,
like 8 or 10 feet tall
386
00:22:17,403 --> 00:22:23,385
and 6 or 8 feet across at
the top with a hollow center,
387
00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:25,943
and I went down in the hole,
and I put
388
00:22:26,045 --> 00:22:29,391
water in jugs
so she'd have water to drink.
389
00:22:29,415 --> 00:22:33,117
And, um, he let me take down
a Ziploc bag
390
00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:35,820
of dog food so she'd have
something to eat.
391
00:22:37,156 --> 00:22:40,658
And so I put that stuff down
there with a blanket or two.
392
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,626
It didn't seem that bad to me.
393
00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:43,706
It'll be okay.
394
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:45,629
But I could tell
that it was really,
395
00:22:45,732 --> 00:22:47,231
really frightening for Patty.
396
00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,502
She did not want to climb down
in there.
397
00:22:57,810 --> 00:23:00,244
When I talk
about the tree stump now,
398
00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:05,816
I see it on people's faces,
that it's really scary.
399
00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:11,422
And it's alarming that...
To people, that I would say,
400
00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:13,724
"Well, let's put her
in this tree stump."
401
00:23:13,859 --> 00:23:18,329
But at the time, to me, it
seemed like a great solution.
402
00:23:18,431 --> 00:23:21,577
She would be safe all day,
and my dad would...
403
00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:23,234
Would leave her alone.
404
00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:27,938
At that time,
if I could have skipped
405
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,940
spending the day with my dad
406
00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:33,088
and just spent the day in
the bottom of a tree stump,
407
00:23:33,112 --> 00:23:35,290
I would have felt lucky.
408
00:23:35,314 --> 00:23:37,448
And so I convinced her, like,
you just... just
409
00:23:37,517 --> 00:23:41,697
go down the ladder,
and you'll be safe here.
410
00:23:41,721 --> 00:23:44,422
And so she went down the ladder,
and we went into town,
411
00:23:45,558 --> 00:23:50,506
and we came back, like,
six or eight hours later
412
00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:53,531
and put the ladder back down
in so she could climb out.
413
00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:58,602
We did that for like a month,
almost every day,
414
00:23:58,704 --> 00:23:59,982
putting her in the stump,
415
00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:03,107
pulling the ladder out,
and at the end of the day,
416
00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:05,309
we'd get her out,
and she would come in
417
00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:08,412
the house and make dinner
and do the dishes and...
418
00:24:08,514 --> 00:24:10,292
And he would take
her in the bedroom,
419
00:24:10,316 --> 00:24:13,150
and they'd have sex,
and then the next morning,
420
00:24:13,252 --> 00:24:17,054
we'd walk her out to the stump,
until the one day
421
00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:19,423
that she tried to escape.
422
00:24:30,937 --> 00:24:33,838
So one day, my dad wanted me
to get some chores done
423
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,940
before we let Patty out
for dinner,
424
00:24:36,075 --> 00:24:38,787
and so I brought the trash out
from the kitchen, and I heard
425
00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:41,111
something in the bushes
behind me.
426
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:48,319
And there was Patty, dirt all
over her hands and face.
427
00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:54,358
She had dug her way
out of the stump.
428
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:57,828
When she saw me, she said,
"Please let me go.
429
00:24:57,963 --> 00:24:59,063
Please let me escape."
430
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,235
And...
431
00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:05,836
I felt so paranoid.
432
00:25:07,406 --> 00:25:09,718
Like, was this a test?
433
00:25:09,742 --> 00:25:11,809
And I can't tell if
my dad's watching
434
00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:13,644
me right now to see what I do.
435
00:25:15,815 --> 00:25:19,450
I thought if I... if I try
to help her right now,
436
00:25:19,552 --> 00:25:22,219
like, he's gonna see that
as a complete betrayal,
437
00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:25,823
and all those times that he
threatened to kill me,
438
00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:29,671
um, well this would
be the time when...
439
00:25:29,695 --> 00:25:32,307
When he would find it justified.
440
00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:35,699
All my life,
I've regretted this, but...
441
00:25:35,801 --> 00:25:38,480
I thought the safest thing
for me
442
00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:40,582
was to call out to my dad.
443
00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:42,406
Dad!
444
00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:47,044
When I did that, she just sunk,
445
00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:48,690
and when he came out,
I could see that
446
00:25:48,714 --> 00:25:49,791
he was surprised.
447
00:25:49,815 --> 00:25:52,616
He had no idea that
she had gotten out.
448
00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:54,062
And I realized in that
moment, like,
449
00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:56,053
"Oh, my God, he hadn't
even been watching."
450
00:25:57,423 --> 00:25:59,723
I could have said, "Yeah,
go, run that way."
451
00:26:00,826 --> 00:26:04,061
I felt so ashamed and foolish.
452
00:26:04,163 --> 00:26:06,964
I had been too fearful
and selfish.
453
00:26:08,701 --> 00:26:10,234
I let her down,
454
00:26:10,303 --> 00:26:12,803
and I let myself down,
455
00:26:12,905 --> 00:26:15,083
and he didn't want her
in the stump after that.
456
00:26:15,107 --> 00:26:17,241
Get inside.
457
00:26:17,343 --> 00:26:20,044
We both stayed home,
and she stayed
458
00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:23,113
in the house for the next
four or five days,
459
00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:24,648
and then he said, "Well,
460
00:26:24,717 --> 00:26:27,484
I think her bruises
are all healed up,"
461
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:30,699
and we drove her into town
462
00:26:30,723 --> 00:26:33,424
and dropped her off at the bar
where they had met.
463
00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:36,927
Patty never went to the police.
464
00:26:38,164 --> 00:26:42,199
She told her friends there
what had happened,
465
00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:45,180
and they didn't believe her.
466
00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:47,104
They thought it was just
too crazy.
467
00:26:48,407 --> 00:26:49,785
In his own mind,
468
00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:53,444
it's reaffirmed that he can
get away with whatever he wants.
469
00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:08,859
I was 16 years old
when my dad met Sandy.
470
00:27:10,663 --> 00:27:12,963
I liked Sandy.
She was really sweet.
471
00:27:13,032 --> 00:27:16,300
They seemed to be having,
you know, just a lovely time...
472
00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:18,035
for a month or so.
473
00:27:18,104 --> 00:27:19,803
I don't believe you!
474
00:27:19,905 --> 00:27:22,206
And then all of a sudden,
things changed,
475
00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:26,610
and he was suspicious of her
and started beating her.
476
00:27:26,712 --> 00:27:27,889
- Trying to..
- I'm not!
477
00:27:27,913 --> 00:27:29,291
I'm not lying!
478
00:27:29,315 --> 00:27:30,748
Over the course of about
a month,
479
00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:34,618
the beatings continued, and
she's covered with bruises.
480
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,755
And then he's showing me,
look at these bruises.
481
00:27:37,856 --> 00:27:39,323
I can't let her go.
482
00:27:39,458 --> 00:27:41,058
I didn't want her to have
483
00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:43,327
to go through what Patty
went through.
484
00:27:43,462 --> 00:27:44,462
I didn't know what to do,
485
00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:46,608
but I thought,
I've got to do something.
486
00:27:46,632 --> 00:27:48,432
I've got to stop this.
487
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:52,036
But I didn't... I didn't know
who I could tell.
488
00:27:52,137 --> 00:27:55,606
And within a day or two,
she was dead.
489
00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:07,818
I came home,
and my dad had Sandy
490
00:28:07,953 --> 00:28:10,354
sitting in a chair in the center
of the house.
491
00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:12,456
He was waiting for me.
492
00:28:14,026 --> 00:28:17,205
- What's going on?
- Look at her.
493
00:28:17,229 --> 00:28:18,662
And he was explaining to me
494
00:28:18,764 --> 00:28:20,130
that she wasn't gonna
get better.
495
00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:26,081
She wasn't responsive,
and a lot of her skin was
496
00:28:26,105 --> 00:28:27,237
turning green.
497
00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:32,509
And he, um, he said something
about, you know,
498
00:28:32,644 --> 00:28:38,415
being out of options, and he
said, "Go get the car."
499
00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:40,495
I'll be right out.
500
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,519
I assumed he was gonna
kill her,
501
00:28:42,654 --> 00:28:46,056
and I didn't want
to take part in that.
502
00:28:46,125 --> 00:28:51,973
But I thought, if I stand here
in front of him and say no,
503
00:28:51,997 --> 00:28:55,132
I won't get the car,
what if he kills me, too?
504
00:28:56,602 --> 00:28:59,636
So I went and got the car,
and I pulled it around back,
505
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,138
and he came out with her
506
00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:03,185
wrapped up in a blanket,
and he told me to open
507
00:29:03,209 --> 00:29:04,942
the trunk,
508
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:07,389
and he put her in the trunk,
509
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:09,213
and then he closed it,
and then he had me
510
00:29:09,348 --> 00:29:11,949
get a gas can and set it in
the back seat.
511
00:29:12,017 --> 00:29:13,517
He drove down toward the woods,
512
00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:15,152
so we're kind of off the road.
513
00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:20,924
I couldn't figure out
how to get out of this.
514
00:29:22,528 --> 00:29:24,840
I felt so defeated
515
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:27,631
and... and so horrible,
516
00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:30,434
and I just... I didn't know
how to stop it.
517
00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,839
He lifted her out of the trunk,
and he picked up this large
518
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:38,687
pestle from a mortar
and pestle set,
519
00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:41,311
and he...
He said, "Look away."
520
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:45,716
And so I turned,
and I looked away,
521
00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:49,419
and I heard...
522
00:29:49,522 --> 00:29:51,054
like a thud,
523
00:29:52,424 --> 00:29:57,528
and I heard her
exhaling, moaning.
524
00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:00,264
He killed her right then.
525
00:30:01,734 --> 00:30:07,037
He carried her into the woods,
and he laid her
526
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:09,284
in... in a ditch.
527
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:12,788
We had a pile of used tires,
and he put the tires
528
00:30:12,812 --> 00:30:15,512
on top of her,
and then... and dumped
529
00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:19,116
the gasoline over it
and lit her on fire.
530
00:30:22,555 --> 00:30:24,421
Jesus Christ.
531
00:30:25,691 --> 00:30:28,703
I'm just kind of hearing
myself say all this, like,
532
00:30:28,727 --> 00:30:31,228
I knew... I know what happened,
533
00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:32,908
I know the narrative,
but, like...
534
00:30:32,932 --> 00:30:35,232
God damn.
535
00:30:35,301 --> 00:30:38,635
I mean I feel dirty, I feel...
536
00:30:38,737 --> 00:30:41,805
just sick inside thinking
about this, and, like, of course
537
00:30:41,907 --> 00:30:44,085
I should have done something,
and why didn't I do something,
538
00:30:44,109 --> 00:30:46,810
and, you know,
why didn't I stop it?
539
00:30:46,912 --> 00:30:48,145
You know, like, I...
540
00:30:57,556 --> 00:30:59,356
When we came back
a few hours later,
541
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:02,103
he had me crawl down
in the ditch and check.
542
00:31:02,127 --> 00:31:04,761
I was poking around in
the ashes and debris,
543
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:07,709
and I... I uncovered
part of her skull, but
544
00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:10,200
it wasn't burning anymore, and
there was nothing really left.
545
00:31:11,337 --> 00:31:13,036
I'm listening to myself,
and I sound
546
00:31:13,105 --> 00:31:17,185
so disconnected emotionally
from... from any of it.
547
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,588
It seems surreal to me
548
00:31:19,612 --> 00:31:23,058
that I'm describing such
horrific events.
549
00:31:23,082 --> 00:31:26,294
Did you... did you actually see
550
00:31:26,318 --> 00:31:29,698
her catch on fire
and the tires and the burning?
551
00:31:29,722 --> 00:31:32,300
Yeah, yeah,
I lit her on fire.
552
00:31:32,324 --> 00:31:33,802
Okay.
553
00:31:33,826 --> 00:31:38,161
He had me pour the gas
and, um, and had me light it.
554
00:31:38,263 --> 00:31:39,529
Wow.
555
00:31:41,033 --> 00:31:43,033
I don't really remember
that now.
556
00:31:43,102 --> 00:31:45,981
And I guess I must have,
you know, remembered more
557
00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:48,939
specifically then, but, um,
just right at the end,
558
00:31:49,008 --> 00:31:52,042
I said, "I lit her on fire,"
and I'm...
559
00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,213
I don't remember exactly
how that happened.
560
00:31:56,315 --> 00:31:58,115
But I guess, I mean, I would...
561
00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:00,617
I would think in this moment,
like, I was trying to be as
562
00:32:00,719 --> 00:32:04,065
factual as possible
and as honest as possible, so...
563
00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:05,555
that must be what happened.
564
00:32:05,657 --> 00:32:07,869
I must have, you know,
thrown something in
565
00:32:07,893 --> 00:32:10,227
there on fire to light
the whole thing.
566
00:32:16,535 --> 00:32:18,402
I was standing there in
the woods, like...
567
00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:23,585
like, just feeling in shock,
and he turns around,
568
00:32:23,609 --> 00:32:25,075
and he looks at me, and he says,
569
00:32:25,143 --> 00:32:28,211
"Well, there's no way you're
keeping this a secret."
570
00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:31,315
And he just stared at me.
571
00:32:33,018 --> 00:32:36,320
He was just sure that
I couldn't be trusted.
572
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:39,623
And at that point, that day,
573
00:32:39,725 --> 00:32:43,961
driving away from
Sandy's body on fire,
574
00:32:44,096 --> 00:32:49,032
I felt like there's no way
he could let me live.
575
00:32:58,744 --> 00:33:01,089
I always had been afraid
that my dad would kill me,
576
00:33:01,113 --> 00:33:05,816
but now I had, you know,
seen him kill someone.
577
00:33:07,019 --> 00:33:08,296
It was different now.
578
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,054
I couldn't sleep
in my bedroom anymore.
579
00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:13,223
He made me sleep on the couch
in the living room.
580
00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:17,260
And one of the first nights
I woke up, you know,
581
00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:20,330
in the middle of the night,
and he had the light on.
582
00:33:21,633 --> 00:33:23,578
Dad?
583
00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,680
And he was fully dressed,
and he had his boots on,
584
00:33:25,704 --> 00:33:28,383
and he had the rifle
across his lap, and he said,
585
00:33:28,407 --> 00:33:29,584
"Go back to bed.
586
00:33:29,608 --> 00:33:31,508
I haven't decided
what to do with you yet."
587
00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:37,292
It was hard for me
to go back to sleep.
588
00:33:37,316 --> 00:33:41,351
I focused on trying to
convince him that I wouldn't
589
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,599
ever tell anybody...
In those months that followed,
590
00:33:44,623 --> 00:33:48,225
I was so scared, every day.
I was at his mercy.
591
00:33:48,327 --> 00:33:51,028
Like, he was going to decide
whether or not to kill me,
592
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:53,908
and I felt like there was
nothing I could really do
593
00:33:53,932 --> 00:33:55,065
about it.
594
00:34:03,809 --> 00:34:08,145
So about a year
after he killed Sandy,
595
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,247
we were riding in the truck,
and he told me
596
00:34:10,315 --> 00:34:12,516
that he had decided to kill me.
597
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,621
He told me,
"I'm gonna take you down into
598
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:19,623
the boat, and then I'm going to
kill you."
599
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:23,527
And I felt like everything
inside of me was screaming,
600
00:34:23,628 --> 00:34:24,706
"Just run. Just run."
601
00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:26,963
And I thought, "What if I trip,
what if I fall?"
602
00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:29,933
And so I was afraid to run,
603
00:34:30,035 --> 00:34:33,236
and I just complied
and walked with him.
604
00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:36,406
And I felt sicker and sicker
as we got closer to the boat.
605
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:40,710
I climbed on the boat, and he
opened the door to the cabin
606
00:34:41,814 --> 00:34:44,325
and had me walking
in front of him,
607
00:34:44,349 --> 00:34:46,750
and he had a knife in his hand.
608
00:34:48,087 --> 00:34:50,720
My heart's pounding,
and I'm... I'm sweating.
609
00:34:50,823 --> 00:34:54,224
He was telling me clearly
what he was going to do.
610
00:34:54,359 --> 00:34:57,327
He was gonna find out
who I was talking to,
611
00:34:57,429 --> 00:35:00,330
and once he had the truth,
he was gonna kill me.
612
00:35:00,399 --> 00:35:02,599
Who have you told?!
613
00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:05,780
He had all these questions,
and he... he kept hitting me
614
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:08,205
in the head when he didn't
like my answers.
615
00:35:08,307 --> 00:35:12,387
This all went on
for six hours in
616
00:35:12,411 --> 00:35:16,091
the bottom of his boat, and I
was having trouble standing.
617
00:35:16,115 --> 00:35:18,815
I felt like I'm...
I'm gonna die.
618
00:35:23,422 --> 00:35:26,201
And I decided in that moment,
if I'm gonna die,
619
00:35:26,225 --> 00:35:27,524
I'm gonna die brave.
620
00:35:30,863 --> 00:35:32,774
So I looked right at him,
621
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:36,933
and I said, "Dad, I'm the only
person who's here with you
622
00:35:37,068 --> 00:35:40,604
"all the time, and I'm submitted
to you, and I obey you,
623
00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:42,984
"and if you don't think
you can trust me,
624
00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:45,142
"you can kill me right now if
you want to,
625
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,889
but I'm not answering any
more questions."
626
00:35:47,913 --> 00:35:49,646
I'm... done.
627
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:53,416
And it was the scariest thing
to say,
628
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:56,052
but I just stared at him when
I said it,
629
00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:59,456
and the craziest thing happened.
630
00:35:59,525 --> 00:36:01,324
I watched all the anger
631
00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:03,560
and the fierceness
just drain out of his face.
632
00:36:03,629 --> 00:36:04,861
He looked down...
633
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:09,933
and he just set the knife down.
634
00:36:12,037 --> 00:36:13,157
He wouldn't even look at me.
635
00:36:13,238 --> 00:36:15,483
He said, "Go upstairs, just go.
636
00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:17,707
Let's... let's go back to
the truck."
637
00:36:17,809 --> 00:36:18,842
Go outside.
638
00:36:18,977 --> 00:36:22,746
He depended on
his victims to be afraid
639
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:25,415
and to feel helpless.
640
00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,695
That's what he exploited.
641
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,397
So that was
642
00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:31,699
a huge turning point
643
00:36:31,723 --> 00:36:35,103
in our relationship.
644
00:36:35,127 --> 00:36:38,072
I started to see
things differently
645
00:36:38,096 --> 00:36:41,476
and start to see
that I had some power.
646
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,935
We walked up to the truck, and
he drove me home in silence.
647
00:36:52,511 --> 00:36:57,113
I ended up living with him
in until I was, um, 23.
648
00:36:57,216 --> 00:36:59,249
And it wasn't until I was...
649
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:00,795
Was getting ready to be married
650
00:37:00,819 --> 00:37:02,819
that I... I finally moved out.
651
00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:08,959
I moved across the country,
and... and I had my family,
652
00:37:09,061 --> 00:37:10,660
and...
653
00:37:12,631 --> 00:37:14,264
I felt so free.
654
00:37:14,332 --> 00:37:16,533
I... I didn't think life
could be so good.
655
00:37:16,635 --> 00:37:18,435
It was a great feeling.
656
00:37:28,347 --> 00:37:32,649
I never spoke about Sandy.
657
00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:36,798
I never, never let myself
think about her
658
00:37:36,822 --> 00:37:38,655
or what had happened.
659
00:37:38,723 --> 00:37:40,957
I blocked it.
660
00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:45,707
It wasn't until 2000,
when I was 29.
661
00:37:45,731 --> 00:37:49,933
I was having dreams
and seeing her face.
662
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:55,783
I would be walking through
the house, and I would think
663
00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:58,441
I saw her sitting in a chair
in the living room.
664
00:38:00,912 --> 00:38:02,590
And I'd have
to do a double take,
665
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:04,547
and sometimes I was afraid
to even check.
666
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,420
My heart was just stopping.
667
00:38:10,555 --> 00:38:13,823
I had to force myself
to back up and look.
668
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:18,161
And of course, I would look,
669
00:38:18,263 --> 00:38:20,408
and there's nobody
in the living room.
670
00:38:20,432 --> 00:38:22,432
But I knew who I was seeing.
671
00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:24,601
I kind of thought,
am I being haunted?
672
00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:28,705
It didn't occur to me that
I really needed to face this.
673
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,407
I needed to say her name.
674
00:38:30,509 --> 00:38:32,887
I needed to tell the story,
675
00:38:32,911 --> 00:38:35,612
and it still took me
10 years to come forward.
676
00:38:46,958 --> 00:38:49,859
So it was March of 2006.
677
00:38:49,961 --> 00:38:52,062
My... my grandmother called me
678
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:54,230
to tell me that my dad had died.
679
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:57,100
He had, uh, lung disease
and a series of strokes.
680
00:38:58,804 --> 00:39:03,340
I was immediately filled with
a lot of sadness and regret,
681
00:39:03,408 --> 00:39:06,187
and I couldn't really
put my finger on why.
682
00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:07,744
I had reasoned that,
683
00:39:07,813 --> 00:39:12,215
oh, you know, I hate him, and
the sooner he dies, the better.
684
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:18,121
But in that moment, I felt just
this... this deep pain of loss.
685
00:39:19,224 --> 00:39:24,772
It was too late for me to be
good enough to win his love.
686
00:39:24,796 --> 00:39:28,965
I gave his eulogy, and, um,
687
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:32,802
I didn't pretend like
he was a righteous man,
688
00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:36,084
but I didn't really
condemn him either.
689
00:39:36,108 --> 00:39:38,986
And I'll never forget,
after the end of the eulogy,
690
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:42,812
this little old woman came up
to me, and then she smiled,
691
00:39:42,914 --> 00:39:45,148
and she said,
"It's almost like you were
692
00:39:45,217 --> 00:39:47,317
talking about
a different person."
693
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:49,197
And she gave me a little
wink like that.
694
00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:54,224
So she knew, like, what kind of
man my dad really had been,
695
00:39:54,326 --> 00:39:57,227
and I began to realize, like...
696
00:39:58,330 --> 00:40:02,232
I don't really need to keep
these secrets maybe.
697
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:06,536
It was kind of the first
crack in that armor.
698
00:40:10,409 --> 00:40:13,943
How long had you known
this Sandy Turpin?
699
00:40:14,012 --> 00:40:16,713
Probably
a couple of months.
700
00:40:16,815 --> 00:40:21,317
So do you know when
he murdered her?
701
00:40:22,687 --> 00:40:27,101
After a few years of a lot of
misery and a lot of work,
702
00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:30,471
I started to realize
that I wanted to...
703
00:40:30,495 --> 00:40:33,430
To tell everyone
what had happened.
704
00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:37,278
I called the Humboldt County
Sheriff that day, and, um,
705
00:40:37,302 --> 00:40:40,437
and... and told them who I was
and... and what I wanted to
706
00:40:40,538 --> 00:40:41,482
talk about.
707
00:40:41,506 --> 00:40:42,984
He brought her
out to the car,
708
00:40:43,008 --> 00:40:45,486
and he had me open the trunk,
709
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:47,510
and he had her wrapped up
in a blanket.
710
00:40:48,513 --> 00:40:52,248
I showed the sheriff on a map
where to find the stump
711
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,818
that Patty had been
held captive in
712
00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:57,253
and circled on the map
about where
713
00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:59,756
I thought Sandy's body was.
714
00:40:59,825 --> 00:41:03,460
They had been considering me
as a possible suspect,
715
00:41:03,528 --> 00:41:06,262
but the office was overwhelmed
716
00:41:06,331 --> 00:41:09,132
with calls from people who had
known my dad
717
00:41:09,234 --> 00:41:12,202
and knew me... across the board,
718
00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:14,737
every person that called
719
00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:18,641
knew that my dad was
kind of a monster.
720
00:41:18,743 --> 00:41:21,689
You know, and this isn't
the first time his name came up
721
00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:24,047
in... in a homicide.
722
00:41:24,115 --> 00:41:26,649
Anyone who's been around
for awhile
723
00:41:26,751 --> 00:41:28,051
knows your dad's history.
724
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:32,422
I still feel regret for not
coming forward sooner.
725
00:41:32,524 --> 00:41:35,859
My father had passed away
before he could be tried.
726
00:41:37,529 --> 00:41:42,477
But shortly after I came
forward in 2009, I had a dream.
727
00:41:42,501 --> 00:41:46,703
I was in the house with my dad
and Sandy, and I grabbed her,
728
00:41:46,805 --> 00:41:49,183
and I started walking her
towards the front door,
729
00:41:49,207 --> 00:41:53,810
and my dad was objecting,
and I told him to shut up,
730
00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:58,047
and I opened the door
and... and pushed her out
731
00:41:58,116 --> 00:42:00,094
and... and walked her
down to the sidewalk
732
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:02,418
and just told her,
"Go, just get out of here."
733
00:42:03,522 --> 00:42:04,721
And then I woke up.
734
00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:10,260
I had never been able to help
Sandy in real life,
735
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:15,076
but I felt like I was able to
help her in that dream,
736
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,400
and I was able to set her free.
737
00:42:17,502 --> 00:42:20,681
And... and that's when
I felt like
738
00:42:20,705 --> 00:42:23,239
I set myself free, as well.
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