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One of these
three men is an expert on
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unidentified flying objects.
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What is your name please?
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My name is J. Allen Hynek.
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My name is J. Allen Hynek.
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My name is J. Allen Hynek.
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J Allen Hynek came
into the UFO field with the
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typical scientific attitude,
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which is, they
shouldn't be studied,
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there's nothing to them.
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Ultimately that changed, and
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that's sort of the core of
the J Allen Hynek story.
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I, J. Allen Hynek,
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am a consultant to the
United States Air Force
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on unidentified flying objects.
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Like so many other
key figures of that era,
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Hynek had to push against
the government that he once
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worked for and stand
up for the truth.
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I am also a
professor of astronomy and
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director of a large
university observatory.
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Hynek believed
that science was the tool.
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Science could get us to an
understanding of what UFOs are.
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And that's what
he advocated for.
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There are a lot
of people who don't always
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understand his rationale
for the things he did or the
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things he said, but Hynek's
impact today, I think,
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is immeasurable.
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Only one
of these men is the real
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J. Allen Hynek.
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The other two are imposters
and will try to fool this panel
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On To Tell The Truth!
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We get reports every night.
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I don't know
what the hell it is.
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A rotating light around it...
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I'd like to report a UFO.
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The US government
closed its formal study of UFOs,
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Project Blue Book, in late 1969.
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And the government as a whole,
says we're not interested in
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UFO reports.
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The Air Force made
the decision: let's get out of
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this business of
investigating UFOs.
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Our business is national
security, we see no threat.
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Let's stop Project Blue Book.
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J. Allen Hynek who was
the scientist who worked for
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Project Blue Book
for almost 20 years,
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actually came through that
with the opposite perspective,
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which was that UFOs were
something serious and
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they should be investigated.
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In my association with
Project Blue Book, I know and
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I know very well that it
was not a scientific project.
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I also know that they never,
never would notify the media
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when an
interesting case came up.
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They did everything they
could to keep it down,
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so they definitely
withheld information.
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Dr. Hynek realized
that this was a serious problem,
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UFO reports could not
all be explained, and that
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the military should be
taking this more seriously.
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We now know that there
were UFO cases during this
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time that did seem to have
national security implications.
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I think the public
would be shocked to realize
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that there were incidents
going back even into the '60s,
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where our nuclear missile silos
were being interfered with.
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Production facilities,
weapons facilities.
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We've had incidents over
numerous ICBM bases.
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During the Cold War,
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intercontinental ballistic
missiles, called ICBMs,
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were strategically located
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throughout northern parts
of the United States,
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where they were within striking
distance of the Soviet Union.
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There were almost identical
UFO events at two of the
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Minuteman ICBM locations:
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at Minot Air Force base
in North Dakota in 1966,
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and at Malmstrom Air Force
base in Montana in 1967.
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My name is Robert Salas.
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In 1967, I was a
lieutenant in the Air Force,
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stationed at Malmstrom
Air Force Base, Montana.
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My name is David Schindele.
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I'm a retired Air Force captain
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at Minot Air Force Base
in North Dakota.
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In 1966, my responsibility
was to launch our ten
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nuclear tipped missiles upon
appropriate and verified order.
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My name is Robert Jamison.
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I was a first lieutenant in
the United States Air Force,
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Malmstrom Air
Force Base in Montana.
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One of my jobs was to, if
a missile goes off alert
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for any reason, is to
go out and restart it.
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The Air
Force includes missile men.
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Here at Malmstrom Air Force
Base a strategic missile wing
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controls the most
modern Minuteman in its
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underground silo.
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The Air Force specialists
on this job, by continuous
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readiness to launch their
bird, help prevent rather
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than start a nuclear war.
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We had Minuteman 1
missiles and that's an
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800-kiloton weapon.
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And just for reference the
weapons that were dropped on
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Hiroshima and
Nagasaki were 20 kilotons.
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That capability is
helping to keep the peace.
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We have a policy of
mutually assured destruction.
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It would be suicide for us or
our potential adversaries to
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launch a nuclear attack.
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Unless they could disable that
capability in that system.
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Then they could conceivably
decapitate the United States,
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destroy the Capital without
fear of a retaliatory response
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and change the
global balance of power.
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Our location
was 60 feet underground.
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We were very well protected.
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It was a concrete
steel-reinforced capsule.
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And this capsule
was sitting below what we call
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the launch controls facility.
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We had six security
guards topside.
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They had the responsibility
for making sure
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there was nobody
trying to break in.
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I traveled
to base to attend a
pre-departure crew briefing.
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After the briefing, several
missile crews came up to me
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and said, "Did you hear
what happened overnight?"
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Sometime in the evening
hours, I get up a call from
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the main guard upstairs.
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He tells me that there
are strange lights flying
over the facility.
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They're looking at
reddish-orange, glowing,
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pulsating light.
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It's hovering just
above the front gate.
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And he pointed with
his arms, and he says it's
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right out there hovering,
motionless and without sound.
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He did think that there
was a solid object within the
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light, sort of oval-shaped.
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I kind of dismissed it.
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I even said,
"You mean like UFOs?"
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and, uh, kind of laughed at him.
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And he said, "Well,
they're not airplanes, sir."
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About five minutes later,
he calls back and he is
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screaming into the phone now.
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He's very frightened.
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He's babbling.
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He said, he's got all the
guards out there with their
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weapons drawn.
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They wanted
orders on what to do.
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I told him, "Make sure nothing
enters the fenced area."
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When I hung up the phone, I
thought we were under attack.
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By who or what, I had no idea.
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And then we get bells
and whistles going off
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at our control panel.
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And, we could see the lights
going from green to red,
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all across the board.
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Meaning the missiles
were inoperable now.
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If the president had
given the order to launch the
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missiles, we could
not have launched them.
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Losing 10 missiles was a shock.
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Except for that instance,
I never lost more than
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one missile at a time.
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Somehow, some way,
vehicles were able to maneuver
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right over those
ICBMs and turn them off.
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We don't know
why they went down,
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and still don't know.
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There's no other reason I can
think of that would cause the
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ten to go off
alert within seconds.
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We knew it wasn't
an ordinary man-made machine
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because we had
nothing like that.
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After the incident, I
was required not to speak to
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anybody about it.
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I attempted to
question the security guard,
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and he said, "sorry, sir,
I've been told to keep quiet.
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And he was told that as far
as you're concerned,
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it never happened.
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I had to go
through a special briefing.
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This is where they told me,
"You're not supposed to say
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ever again that
something happened,
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because nothing happened."
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Of course, the first thing I
did when I got home was,
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"hey honey, guess
what happened."
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There was a man from
Air Force Office of
Special Investigations.
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All he wanted me to do was to
sign this document stating
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I would never speak
about this again.
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Once we signed that document,
we were released,
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told to leave,
and that was that.
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I never spoke about
any of this until 1994,
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so that was about
27 years later.
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Three years after the
Malmstrom incident in which
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ten missiles were shut down,
the Air Force released a
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"Fact Sheet" to the public,
announcing the close of
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Project Blue Book.
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And it stated that no UFO
reported, investigated or
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evaluated by the Air Force was
ever an indication of a threat
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to our national security.
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Meaning not even one has
represented any kind of
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national security threat.
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That was certainly um...
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a lie.
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Let's, let's use the right word.
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The Air Force knew full
well these were UFO-related
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incidents and that UFOs
were responsible for the
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shutdown of these missiles.
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We found out later, in
1979, that in fact a secret
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memo had circulated called
the Bolender Memo which stated
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that any national security
cases could continue to be
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reported through
channels already in place.
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And so it was a complete
black and white contradiction
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between what was being said to
the public and what was being
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said behind the scenes.
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There's something
that's in our atmosphere that
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we just don't know what it is.
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These things seem to
be interested in our
nuclear capabilities.
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And that's something we
should be concerned about.
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I kept the secret for 40 years.
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It was a long time to
have this burden on the
back of my shoulders.
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I'm normally a quiet
personality, and I just
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don't want to be
in the limelight.
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But the public
needs to know this.
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Robert Salas did not
speak out about what happened
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for many, many years.
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And it shows how
intimidated these people
are to come forward.
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Decades will go by and they
won't even talk about it.
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Good morning.
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My name is David Schindele.
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In 2001 I found an article
describing Robert Salas'
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incident, and when I
saw it I said, oh my God.
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The incident that he had
was almost identical
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to the one I had.
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And I experienced a,
just a joyful freedom, and
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I finally was able to tell
my wife my secret.
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And so thanks, Robert,
for helping me out.
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After the incident,
the guards had called me and
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literally begged me to come
out and see them because this
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was a very traumatic
experience for the guards.
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But I had just signed a
nondisclosure statement,
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so I had to tell them on the
phone that I could not see them.
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So when I talk about this, I
do it partly for those airmen
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that begged me to come see
'em and I just couldn't do it.
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There's a shyness and a
reluctance on the part of many
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witnesses, and understandably
so, against reporting, because
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too many have been ridiculed
and life has been made
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somewhat miserable for them.
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Dr. Hynek grew
increasingly disillusioned by
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the Air Force's dismissive
approach to these sightings
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and dismissive
approach to the evidence.
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Hynek gradually
realized that this was a
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subject that
demanded serious study.
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Back when Hynek was
in Project Blue Book, there
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was a case that involved
a father and his two
sons in Idaho.
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One day they saw this object
just zoom down this gully,
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down the river
bed and disappear.
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They, all three, saw it.
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Hynek found it
fairly convincing.
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He ended up writing it off as
something with a natural cause.
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That was Hynek's official
report to Project Blue Book,
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Why this is significant is
years later when Hynek started
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to change his mind,
he had regrets about
that specific case.
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He said, "With that case,
I should have said,
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'You know what?
It doesn't add up completely.
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I think there's
more going on here.
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I'm not gonna dismiss it.
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I'm gonna try to
find out more.'"
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So, that was kind
of the first chink
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in Hynek's façade as a debunker.
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I began to get certain
doubts because it was the
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people themselves.
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I said to myself, well now,
come on, how much longer am
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I going to call
these people crazy.
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And when I changed my glasses
you might say, a little bit,
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and took a view that maybe
these people aren't crazy,
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and began to realize what
sort of people they were:
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good, solid people.
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I said to myself, well, the
time has come to maybe
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change my attitude."
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With the United States
Air Force leaving the role
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behind of taking in UFO
investigations, this left a
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large vacuum that civilian
organizations began to fill.
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In 1974,
J. Allen Hynek founded
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The Center for UFO Studies,
abbreviated "CUFOS".
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This was a civilian group
composed of very qualified
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people that runs the gamut
of the average person with
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enthusiasm, to a very highly
trained scientist or academic.
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And the records that they
provided are absolutely crucial.
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I'm Mark Rodeghier,
the scientific director of the
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Center for UFO
Studies in Chicago.
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Dr. Hynek mentored me and
designated me as his successor.
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Dr. Hynek was the
classic professor.
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He loved teaching.
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He also really enjoyed jokes,
you know, and a good time.
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He wasn't stuffy.
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He had a little
twinkle in his eye.
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People really warmed up to him.
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Allen was very open minded,
and that is really the
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background to him
being interested in UFOs.
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UFO groups, you know, they're
not massive organizations.
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In fact, we're now sitting
in the basement in my
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UFO office here in my house.
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The Center is really like
a scientific think tank.
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Dr. Hynek realized that there
was a need for a focused,
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professional
group to study UFOs.
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That involves
mainly three things.
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Being a place for people
to report sightings.
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Number two is to be a place
for reliable information.
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We publish a journal, a
periodical, with monographs.
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And finally, of course,
a place to do research.
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We've stayed pretty
close to that mission
all through the years.
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One of the first
things that CUFOS did was
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establish a national
hotline for UFO reporting.
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They distributed this hotline
to law enforcement agencies
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around the country and said,
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"Put this on your
bulletin board.
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If you ever get a call from
someone who has seen a UFO
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call us on this hotline, and
we will do the investigation."
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But it didn't look like
anything I know of...
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But there was a big
difference between civilian
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and military
investigations of UFOs.
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The military has access to other
information civilians don't.
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In the 70s and 80s in
general, government officials
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were not talking about UFOs.
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But some presidents were
also interested in getting
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information about UFOs.
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When Jimmy Carter was the
governor of Georgia in 1969,
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he had a sighting with a
group of other witnesses.
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All of us saw a very
bright light in the western sky.
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And it got closer and closer
and then it seemed to stop in
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its proximity to us.
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And then the color of it changed
from white to blue to red.
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Jimmy Carter was
very impressed by that.
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It really impacted him.
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Then in 1973, he filed a
written report on this with a
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number of civilian UFO groups.
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So it's on the record.
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So when he did become
President, he approached NASA
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to see if they would open up a
new investigation that could
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continue what the Air Force
had been doing prior to
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closing down Project Blue Book.
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The Air Force would not have
wanted this to happen
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seven years after closing
Project Blue Book.
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So the Air Force jumped in on
the process and said to NASA,
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"we don't want
you to do this."
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After a series of exchanges,
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NASA did decline the
president's request.
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Under pressure to
answer by the end of the year,
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NASA concluded that it would
be pointless to mount a new
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research effort because of
the lack of physical evidence.
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It was kind of stunning
that a request from the
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president would
have been denied.
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If there is no
concrete evidence of people
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from outer space,
how do you write a
whole book about UFO's?
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That's exactly why I
called it The UFO Experience
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instead of something that
would've sold more,
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like Sex and the UFO.
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I call it "The UFO Experience"
because that's what I was
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The experience that people had.
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And you can't convince a
person who's had a real
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UFO experience that
he hasn't had it.
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In the early '70s,
J. Allen Hynek came out with
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his monumental book,
called The UFO Experience.
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It wasn't just about research.
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He was somebody that
would listen and took people
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seriously who had had sightings,
and had experiences.
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He would go on lots of TV
shows and radio interviews and
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he was a public figure
advocating for official
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recognition and study of UFOs.
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With the space program
taking off, there was a
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groundswell of
interest in outer space.
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It's one small step for man,
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one giant leap for mankind.
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It was a national movement.
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And so, people's imaginations,
of course, run wild.
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Hollywood was able to capture
that and feed people's thirst
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and imagination.
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And it led to a
longstanding, powerful genre.
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May the force be with you.
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So UFOs became
a cultural, creative,
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imaginative area.
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And Hynek's book
was a big hit...
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Dr. J. Allen Hynek...
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Steven Spielberg
bought the rights to Hynek's
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book and hired Dr. Hynek
as a technical consultant.
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And so Spielberg worked
with Hynek in helping to get
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the facts accurate for
his movie Close Encounters.
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Yeah, I was very
influenced by J. Allen Hynek
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because he was not looking
at UFOs as science fiction,
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but he was looking at
them as science speculation.
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So I met with him and I used
him and I picked his brain
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and, and he consulted with me.
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Dr. Hynek was the
fellow that coined the term
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"Close Encounters".
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Close encounters of the
first kind is when it's close
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and nothing really happens.
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A close encounter
of the second kind
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includes physical damage
to the environment.
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That could be landing pad
imprints in the grass where a
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UFO was said to have landed.
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And the close
encounters of the third kind
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are the most interesting of all.
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Close encounter
of the third kind...
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is really when you meet 'em.
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It was clear that
Spielberg wanted real science,
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real data, accurate
information about UFOs
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and that's why he called
on J. Allen Hynek.
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They were drawing from real
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U.S. government information,
on how these things
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operated and maneuvered.
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Hypersonic velocities, or
fast speeds, instantaneous
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acceleration, even
biological effects,
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where Richard Dreyfuss, half his
face has this sunburn.
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Those were all observables
that we were seeing in the
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US government.
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Real observables that made their
way onto the Hollywood screen.
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And that's because
Steven Spielberg was provided
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information from people
from Project Blue Book.
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Along with Hynek,
Spielberg also talked to
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Jacques Vallée, a French
scientist who was well known
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in the UFO field and had written
numerous books on the topic.
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I had the privilege
of working with Dr. Hynek for
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five years and we built the
first computer based data
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catalog of UFO sightings,
starting with the Air Force
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files, which covered
about 20,000 cases.
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These people have come
from all over their country.
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The French scientist
in the movie, the character of
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Lacombe, was based
loosely on, on me.
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France has an official
scientific committee for UFOs
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that includes physicists,
the military, including
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sociologists and psychologists.
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By letting the
project team leader be a
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Frenchman it immediately
gave more of a depth to the
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understanding of UFOs.
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In the whole history
of American movies,
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It's always, they come from
somewhere, they kill somebody,
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so we bring the tanks and they
destroy all the tanks...
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that's a very American way of
looking at an alien life form.
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If everything's
ready here on the dark side of
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the moon, play the pipe tones.
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The movie was the
first movie in which we were
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greeting these aliens and they
were coming to us as equal,
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and we were going to have an
intelligent discussion with
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them, or, intelligent exchange.
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Close Encounters just
captured the spirit of the
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mystery of the phenomenon, the
scariness of the phenomenon
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and kind of the impact
that it has on people.
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Whatever the government
may think about them,
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unidentified flying
objects seem to be
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popular with the people.
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Columbia Pictures
reports that its film,
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Close Encounters
of the Third Kind,
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has grossed
$39 million in 3 weeks.
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I owe a lot
to J. Allen Hynek;
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his instilling in me a
professional's point of view
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on this kind of field reporting.
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And he helped me make the
movie more credible than it
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would have been
without his, his existence.
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Steven Spielberg
actually brought him on set
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for when they filmed the
movie's huge climax at the
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secret UFO base in Wyoming.
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Captain,
United States Navy, 0-4-3-4-3-1
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And of course Close Encounters,
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it became a household term
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because of
Steven Spielberg's movie and
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really catapulted Hynek
to a degree of celebrity.
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Therefore, will
the real Dr. J. Allen Hynek
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please stand up?
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Even though Hynek worked
for our government for almost
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two decades.
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What he was doing in the
70s and 80s seemed to have
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no impact at all on
the government.
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And sightings continued.
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There's the fantastic
sightings last year and this
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year in the Westchester
and Putnam County areas.
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Those are literally
out of this world.
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I can find no logical
explanation for them.
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I don't know
what the hell it is!
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We were
coming home from grad school.
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And we were just
yakking like we are now.
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And all of a sudden, Doris says,
what are those lights up there?
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I was driving
north on 118, and I was
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approaching the light here.
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I looked into the northern
skies, saw what appeared to be
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a large aircraft with landing
lights flying very low,
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about 500 feet.
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And it stopped and
rotated 180 degrees
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and started to head west.
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I looked up at
Interstate 84 and it was
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a parking lot.
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People were out of their
cars, blinking lights,
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pointing up at the sky.
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And there was that city
of lights hovering over
in my backyard.
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And it went from
like night to broad daylight.
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And all of a sudden,
it was, "It's gonna land!
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It's gonna land!"
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You could hear a pin drop.
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And I said, "Oh,
what do with my family?
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How am I gonna
handle all this?"
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What I saw was unbelievable.
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Mind boggling.
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The whole town saw this.
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Beginning in around 1983,
There was an incredibly
489
00:28:31,752 --> 00:28:35,212
dramatic series of sightings
that took place in the
490
00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:38,007
Hudson Valley area of New York
state and in Connecticut,
491
00:28:38,008 --> 00:28:40,426
which was actually a wave
492
00:28:40,427 --> 00:28:42,845
because it took
place over years.
493
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,140
People would report these
UFOs to the police or maybe
494
00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:48,434
to local UFO groups.
495
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:52,147
And a lot of people were
kind of awed and frightened.
496
00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:53,814
It was a little spooky.
497
00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:55,066
How come?
498
00:28:55,067 --> 00:28:57,401
Because it was unexplainable.
499
00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:58,736
What Jim Brooks saw...
500
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,947
There was a
lot of local reporting,
501
00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:03,366
some local civilian
investigation.
502
00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:04,909
Now, researchers
have set up a special UFO
503
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,619
hotline in Westchester...
504
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:09,956
But it was something
that involved hundreds,
505
00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,960
at least, witnesses,
if not more.
506
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:16,921
There was nothing coming
from our government,
507
00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:20,925
even though these gigantic craft
were cruising around over
508
00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:24,012
a part of the United States.
509
00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:26,263
The Federal Aviation
Administration has joined the
510
00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:29,684
Air Force and many astronomers
in attributing most UFO
511
00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:32,812
sightings to man-made objects
and natural phenomenon.
512
00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:36,524
Believe it or not,
the planet Venus is a fairly
513
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:38,359
common UFO sighting.
514
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,486
It moved very slowly.
515
00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:41,737
We looked up in the sky
and we saw six lights
516
00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,572
in a V-shape.
517
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:45,658
Even after all these
witnesses had seen these
518
00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:48,327
objects and had reported
them to their local police,
519
00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:51,247
it still became
a kind of a joke.
520
00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:53,791
The head of my
school, he said, you know,
521
00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:56,877
some people might
think you're crazy.
522
00:29:56,878 --> 00:30:00,339
I was the commissioner
of motor vehicles and I was
523
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,300
involved in a
political race at that time.
524
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:06,178
The last thing I wanted to
be known for was little
525
00:30:06,179 --> 00:30:09,473
green people or UFOs.
526
00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:12,893
My husband also
thought I was nuts, and so
527
00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:15,355
I didn't talk about it too much.
528
00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,065
What is interesting,
tragic, and amusing all at the
529
00:30:18,066 --> 00:30:21,485
one and the same time is that
lots of people are afraid to
530
00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:22,778
talk about it.
531
00:30:22,779 --> 00:30:24,780
Their friends will
laugh at them and so forth.
532
00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:30,411
And we need to let these people
533
00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:32,831
feel safe and talk about it.
534
00:30:33,582 --> 00:30:37,585
On August 25th of 1984,
Hynek came to the Hudson Valley
535
00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:40,463
and he gave a talk
at the middle school there.
536
00:30:40,464 --> 00:30:43,758
This was the last case that
he was involved with before he
537
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,844
died and it made a
huge impression on him.
538
00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:48,888
Here's the sketch
of the thing going on in
539
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:51,098
Westchester County now.
540
00:30:51,099 --> 00:30:54,935
There's this large
boomerang-shaped object
541
00:30:54,936 --> 00:30:59,315
that moves slowly, far below
the stall speed of aircraft;
542
00:30:59,316 --> 00:31:00,816
moves silently.
543
00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:03,360
I've been told by highly
responsible witnesses that
544
00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:05,946
it is as large as
the football field.
545
00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:08,365
It speaks to
the importance of the
546
00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:12,495
Hudson Valley wave that
J. Allen Hynek came here.
547
00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:15,956
He thought it was important
enough, to speak to the
548
00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:19,126
witnesses, to go to the sites.
549
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:21,879
I spent a
weekend with Dr. Hynek.
550
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,675
Dr. Hynek could ask you a
question and he'd sit back and
551
00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:29,929
he would listen and if one
of my kids jumped into the
552
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:33,057
conversation, he would just
kindly just put up his hand
553
00:31:33,058 --> 00:31:35,392
and go, "I'll get right back
to you," with a little wink.
554
00:31:35,393 --> 00:31:38,312
And you were the most
important person for that
555
00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,231
moment he was talking to you.
556
00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:43,193
That's the way he made me feel.
557
00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:46,028
It was very important
for these witnesses who were
558
00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,697
not getting any official
recognition that somebody like
559
00:31:48,698 --> 00:31:50,574
J. Allen Hynek,
560
00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,660
an astronomer who had
worked for the government,
561
00:31:52,661 --> 00:31:55,371
that he came there,
and spoke with them,
562
00:31:55,372 --> 00:31:57,666
and took them seriously.
563
00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,084
And we walked through
the whole sighting,
564
00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:02,128
he wanted to go every place.
565
00:32:02,129 --> 00:32:04,713
And every time we
made a stop he said,
566
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:06,215
"What were you feeling?
567
00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:07,675
Did you feel
anything in your gut?
568
00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:10,345
Did you feel
connected to this object?"
569
00:32:11,638 --> 00:32:14,098
It made a huge
difference to have him
570
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,642
on site during the wave.
571
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,269
In the Westchester case
in New York for instance we
572
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,230
had witnesses geographically
independent of each other,
573
00:32:21,231 --> 00:32:24,400
didn't know each other, and
yet reported identically the
574
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:28,530
same things now you cannot
call that mass hallucination.
575
00:32:29,698 --> 00:32:31,657
Lack of scientific
involvement or government
576
00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:34,869
acknowledgement of
UFOs encourages people's
577
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:38,664
imaginations to go wild with,
"What are they hiding?
578
00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:40,583
We called the
police when we got home and
579
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:43,210
they didn't tell us that night
but a couple of days later we
580
00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:45,963
were reading they
thought they were ultralights.
581
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:47,673
The planes?
582
00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:50,050
The chief
meteorologist at the
Westchester County Airport
583
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,553
with some 25 years
experience told me that
584
00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:55,806
when he saw it overhead, it
moved very slowly like a
585
00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:57,808
ship docking at a berth.
586
00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:01,770
Now that cannot possibly be
ultralights flying in formation.
587
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,689
That's just out of the question.
588
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,274
The plane flying in
formation is one of the
589
00:33:05,275 --> 00:33:10,321
reasons cited including an
article in Discover Magazine.
590
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:13,741
This article that was in
Discover Magazine talks about
591
00:33:13,742 --> 00:33:17,161
the pilots who were going
up and hoaxing UFOs and it
592
00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:20,624
implies that's probably
what all the sightings were.
593
00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:23,918
Hear the engines?
594
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,252
Planes fly all the time.
595
00:33:25,253 --> 00:33:27,171
Do you hear 7,000 people
coming out and saying,
596
00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:28,672
"Ah, I saw planes over my head."
597
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:29,715
No.
598
00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:31,551
They saw something different.
599
00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:34,470
Ultralights make noise!
600
00:33:34,471 --> 00:33:35,888
They do make noise!
601
00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:39,476
So we've
never had a good explanation.
602
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:46,565
So these pilots did a
huge disservice by creating
603
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:50,861
this hoax situation to confuse
everything, and to bring a
604
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,656
lack of credibility and to
give the government something
605
00:33:53,657 --> 00:33:55,449
to hang their hat on when they
were asked what people were
606
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:56,867
actually seeing.
607
00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,621
People
began doubting themselves.
608
00:34:00,622 --> 00:34:04,125
It kept the entire
wave suppressed.
609
00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:08,045
Hynek was just stunned
by the fact that this was
610
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,089
not getting attention.
611
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:12,049
The subject came up in
the United Nations recently.
612
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:15,427
We have reports from
133 different countries.
613
00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:18,430
And the same pattern
exists around the world.
614
00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,308
It's not just localized in one
particular country, you see.
615
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:25,604
So while our government
was telling the public that
616
00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:28,941
there was nothing to UFOs,
that the investigations had
617
00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:30,651
all been shut down...
618
00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:34,363
documents reveal that
officials were, in fact,
619
00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:37,325
monitoring cases in
other countries.
620
00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:40,160
What they were seeing
was very similar to what was
621
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,455
seen in the Hudson Valley.
622
00:34:57,971 --> 00:35:00,597
This map was prepared
by Dr. Jacques Vallée.
623
00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:04,143
UFO reports are truly global,
and that they seem to occur in
624
00:35:04,144 --> 00:35:06,730
waves or "flaps" as
they are often called.
625
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:10,149
Notice how the flaps have been
distributed throughout the
626
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:12,651
years and over the world.
627
00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:16,280
This is truly an
international phenomenon.
628
00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:18,365
There's no question about it.
629
00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:22,953
There's a very similar
pattern, very similar reports.
630
00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,289
Foreign militaries are
also having encounters.
631
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,335
The Belgian Air Force had
some extraordinary encounters.
632
00:35:41,348 --> 00:35:43,474
A few years after the
Hudson Valley wave,
633
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:47,062
a very similar wave
occurred in Belgium.
634
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,023
These large black triangles.
635
00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:54,276
Again, all the characteristics,
silent, low,
636
00:35:54,277 --> 00:35:57,989
beams of light, hovering.
637
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:02,076
Belgian authorities
would scramble jets in order
638
00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:04,328
to try to get a better
look at the objects.
639
00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:08,540
They wanted to identify
what it was that was invading
640
00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:11,168
protected airspace
over their country.
641
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,046
They felt that this was
their responsibility.
642
00:36:14,047 --> 00:36:17,841
The F-16s that the
Belgian military had
643
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:20,260
tracked these objects on radar.
644
00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:24,139
So they actually have radar
imagery of the unknown,
645
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,558
moving through Belgian airspace.
646
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,061
And the contrast from
how the Belgium government
647
00:36:29,062 --> 00:36:31,897
handled it there versus how
our government didn't handle
648
00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:35,944
the events in Hudson Valley
are really striking.
649
00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:39,571
The Belgian Air Force became
actively involved with a group
650
00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:42,866
of scientists to collect
reports from witnesses.
651
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:46,746
They assigned a colonel to
head up in an investigation.
652
00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:56,130
And they held a press
conference packed with media,
653
00:36:56,131 --> 00:36:59,258
in which they disclosed
everything they knew and
654
00:36:59,259 --> 00:37:01,094
how they were approaching this.
655
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,728
And the public were
encouraged to file reports.
656
00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:17,901
Air Force officers
were coming forward, and
657
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,737
speaking about it.
658
00:37:20,738 --> 00:37:24,116
They gave it a legitimacy that
we have yet to see here in
659
00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:25,951
this country.
660
00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:26,994
You said the government stopped
661
00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:28,704
investigating back in 1969.
662
00:37:28,705 --> 00:37:30,873
Do these UFO watchers have
any reason to expect the
663
00:37:30,874 --> 00:37:34,084
government to get re-involved
in investigating these claims?
664
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:35,878
Right now
they're a bit disappointed the
665
00:37:35,879 --> 00:37:37,880
government has not gotten more
involved than it has in the
666
00:37:37,881 --> 00:37:39,423
last ten years.
667
00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:42,134
But we do know that the CIA
and the Defense Department
668
00:37:42,135 --> 00:37:45,512
have been doing some research
into other sightings in other
669
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,598
nations, like the
Soviet Union and Iran,
670
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,768
but in the United States,
they seem very skeptical.
671
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:53,145
The Belgian case
was documented by
672
00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:55,063
U.S. government officials.
673
00:37:55,064 --> 00:37:57,858
Colonel de Brouwer had
approached American officials
674
00:37:57,859 --> 00:38:00,319
to inquire
whether this was ours.
675
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,362
And we had told them no.
676
00:38:02,363 --> 00:38:05,282
And we had said also, "We'd
like to know whose it was."
677
00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:08,702
So there was a document filed
about the Belgian wave,
678
00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:12,539
but no document filed about
a wave in our own country.
679
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,667
At least that we are aware of.
680
00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:21,632
To me, the greatest
evidence for the existence of
681
00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:24,468
something strange going
on is the caliber of
682
00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:26,136
many of the witnesses.
683
00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:28,597
For instance, in Westchester,
we had meteorologists,
684
00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:33,519
Navy test pilot, IBM executives,
priests, CPAs...
685
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,187
Are they
all saying the same thing?
686
00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:37,564
That it is not
explainable to them
687
00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:40,609
by any conventional explanation?
688
00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:42,027
You just said it, Charlie!
689
00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:43,403
That's exactly what
they're saying.
690
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:44,905
They're seeing the same things.
691
00:38:44,906 --> 00:38:47,199
You know, there
were so many people that saw it.
692
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,660
It wasn't, you know, if
I saw it alone, I probably
693
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:51,245
wouldn't have told anybody.
694
00:38:51,246 --> 00:38:53,455
If the three of us saw it, I
might have told my family.
695
00:38:53,456 --> 00:38:54,957
Yeah.
696
00:38:54,958 --> 00:38:56,500
But there were
so many people that had saw it,
697
00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:58,001
that I was fine with, you know.
698
00:38:58,002 --> 00:38:59,086
Yeah.
699
00:38:59,087 --> 00:39:00,254
Spreading the word.
700
00:39:00,255 --> 00:39:01,713
Me too.
701
00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:02,507
And everybody
that I told said, they were
702
00:39:02,508 --> 00:39:03,967
sorry they didn't see it.
703
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,427
A lot of people
took solace in the fact that
704
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:09,972
Hynek was a guy who
was on their side.
705
00:39:09,973 --> 00:39:13,725
If you witnessed a UFO, Hynek
was one person who would take
706
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:17,521
you seriously, wouldn't make
fun of you, and really try to
707
00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:21,316
get a full picture of your
experience and that, that's so
708
00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:24,152
huge just to someone who has
seen something weird in the
709
00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:27,114
sky and doesn't know how
to tell anyone about it.
710
00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:28,991
I felt validated.
711
00:39:28,992 --> 00:39:31,910
That's the way Dr. Hynek
made me feel.
712
00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:35,038
So I could say, "There's
nothing wrong with me and
713
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,665
nothing wrong with my eyes
714
00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:39,334
and nothing wrong
with my intuition.
715
00:39:39,335 --> 00:39:41,421
They're all intact."
716
00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:47,343
Dr. Hynek was someone
who was very alive, very open.
717
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,887
He told me once that the
reason he became interested in
718
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:55,183
UFOs was about the
challenges, about, you know:
719
00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:56,685
what is this world?
720
00:39:56,686 --> 00:40:01,482
If this is real, what does
that mean for human existence?
721
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,777
The last thing Hynek did
before leaving this earth,
722
00:40:05,778 --> 00:40:10,324
was try to understand the
nature of the denial and
723
00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:12,576
the disconnect among human
beings when something
724
00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:14,953
this dramatic happens.
725
00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:18,540
Hynek wrote an essay that was
a rough draft that was left on
726
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:20,542
his computer when he died.
727
00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:23,378
He said, "How is it possible
that in the United States
728
00:40:23,379 --> 00:40:26,882
where even trivial events
are often flashed across the
729
00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:31,178
world, only one national TV
and radio network carried an
730
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:34,890
account of these
utterly astounding sightings?
731
00:40:34,891 --> 00:40:37,559
Was no one minding the store?
732
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,812
Was everyone
asleep at the switch?"
733
00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:44,232
Hynek was a different person
than he was previously when
734
00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:46,276
he worked at Project Blue Book.
735
00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:50,864
Here he was saying: UFOs,
they're of scientific interest,
736
00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:53,492
the witnesses
should be taken seriously.
737
00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:57,537
It was just the most
profoundly important moment
738
00:40:57,538 --> 00:40:59,790
in setting a course of events
that continued through the
739
00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:02,585
'70s, '80s and '90s.
740
00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:05,003
Starting as a complete skeptic,
741
00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:07,089
I underwent a transformation.
742
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:10,217
And now, I guess the best way
of saying it is that it's an
743
00:41:10,218 --> 00:41:12,844
itch that I just
have to scratch.
744
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,682
I feel that we have a
phenomenon that, could be,
745
00:41:16,683 --> 00:41:19,851
of tremendous potential
importance to the human race,
746
00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:22,563
I feel that strongly about it.
747
00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:31,488
It's a definite UFO
or something like that.
748
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,991
It just flew right over me.
749
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:35,659
This is
highly restricted airspace.
750
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:38,370
You don't want something up
there that doesn't belong there.
751
00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:40,747
The culture as
a whole didn't really
752
00:41:40,748 --> 00:41:42,916
take UFOs seriously.
753
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:46,962
I stuck with it despite the
level of ridicule for decades.
754
00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:48,839
He described it as
a huge ball of light turning
755
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,844
around and he says it was about
four times bigger than a 747.
756
00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:56,513
My immediate response was,
"I wanna break this story!"
757
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:57,765
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