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- What are they saying about Bush?
- Does he deserve reelection?
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And here are the numbers.
Forty-five percent say yes...
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49 percent say no.
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Democrats, 84 percent say no.
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Eighty-four percent of Republicans
say yes.
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Independents, 51 percent now say
he does not deserve reelection.
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- That's a red flag.
- And what about for John Kerry?
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- Is that good news?
- It should be.
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Look at John Kerry's numbers, Tom.
Positive-negative.
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Positive 38 percent,
negative 38 percent.
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This thing is still a toss-up.
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Mr. Hibey will see you now.
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Thank you.
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Ms. Mapes.
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I'm Dick Hibey. What can I do for you?
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Oh, I think you know.
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- You knit?
- You don't expect a woman like me...
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- ...to knit?
- No. But it's good. It's helpful.
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Yeah. You mean it blunts
my radical feminist agenda.
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- Do you have a radical feminist agenda?
- You meet a lot of radical leaders?
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Do you have a substance abuse problem?
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I'm working on developing one.
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- I'm serious.
- Oh, so am I.
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You came to me.
If you're not up for this...
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I've been in news for 20 years.
Won two Emmys, broke Abu Ghraib...
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done jail time for not revealing sources.
I have neither a feminist agenda...
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nor a substance abuse problem.
Though I'm gonna take a Xanax...
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because this is really freaking me out.
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Got any water?
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- Thanks.
- You have to be ready...
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- ...for questions like that.
- I'm up for this.
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There's an interesting recurring theme
to the stories you cover.
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- People abusing their power.
- I don't like bullies.
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Tell me about your work.
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You wanna know if I'm responsible
for what happened.
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- Aren't you?
- Look, I did my job. Believe me.
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I don't have to believe you.
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What matters is that they believe you.
Now, tell me about your work.
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I'm the producer. I find the story.
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I put the team together.
I write and cut the piece.
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I work at 60 Minutes.
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And what's that like?
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Which one of you ordered the duck?
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- That would be Tom.
- Napkin.
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- Thank you. Thank you.
- Fatso.
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- They're gonna run it this time?
- They're gonna run it.
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- Because you said that last week.
- They're gonna run it, Roger.
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Hey, you want me
to paint it out like this?
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Oh, Jesus, no, it makes his genitals look
like they were attacked by mad cubists.
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Maybe you could just
kind of darken the area.
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Okay.
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Like that?
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Okay, now it just looks like
there's a black hole there.
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- From which no light can escape.
- They're really gonna run it?
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Because Sy Hersh has this...
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and he's gonna write a story
about how we've sat on it.
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Dana, can you tell Roger they're gonna
run it, then hit him for me, will you?
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I gotta go grab him.
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Can you finish it?
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He was the first journalist to report
John F. Kennedy had been shot.
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He described the Zapruder film in detail
to a nation...
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that was not allowed to see it.
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Became White House correspondent
at the age of 33...
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chief London correspondent
a year later...
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and brought the Vietnam War into
American living rooms for the first time.
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He covered the Russians in Afghanistan,
the hostages in Iran...
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and in 1981, became anchor
of the CBS Evening News.
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He's now anchored
more nightly news broadcasts...
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than anyone else in U.S. history.
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That's not bad for the son of
a ditch-digger from Wharton, Texas.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
I give you my friend...
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and the reason I have this job,
Dan Rather.
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Long enough to give us
a great market share, I'll tell you.
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- It's been a real pleasure. Real pleasure.
- Hey, Andrew, I need him.
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- Well, you're not taking him.
- You say that, but here I am.
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- You got him?
- In a hotel two blocks up.
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- Let's go.
- Dan, you can't leave your own party.
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- I got 50 affiliates and their wives...
- I know.
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- ...waiting to talk with you. Goddamn it.
- I know.
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- You wanna finish this off? I've had three.
- Mary.
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I'll take that for you, Mr. Heyward.
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You know?
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General. This is Dan Rather.
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- General.
- Sir.
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Thank you for doing this.
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Let's start from the beginning.
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Americans did this to an Iraqi prisoner.
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According to the Army,
the man was told to stand on a box...
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his head covered with wires
attached to his hands.
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He was told that if he fell off the box,
he would be electrocuted.
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It was this picture
and dozens of others...
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that prompted an investigation
by the U.S. Army.
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Yesterday, we asked
General Mark Kimmitt...
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deputy director
of coalition operations in Iraq...
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what went wrong.
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Every day we love our soldiers,
but frankly...
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some days we're not always
proud of our soldiers.
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The military says six American soldiers
have been charged so far...
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and could be court-martialed.
Others higher...
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in the chain of command
will likely be disciplined.
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I remember when you used to say
"courage" at the end of every broadcast.
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- You remember that?
- I remember. Do you remember?
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You must be very old.
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- Why'd you stop?
- They made fun of him, that's why.
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- No.
- No, they did.
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- Seriously. Imagine?
- Oh, yeah.
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Go on, give us a "courage," Dan.
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- No, come on. Mary.
- Come on, just one.
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- For me.
- I don't think so.
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- For me, for me.
- Come on.
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Just a little one.
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Cour...
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- Come on, please.
- Come on.
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- You really want it?
- I want it too, yeah.
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Courage.
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- Well, it worked at one time.
- It did. It did.
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Hey. Here's to a great story.
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Yeah, once they finally ran it.
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- Yeah.
- F.E.A.
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F.E.A.
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We're sitting here with Mommy.
Thank you for being here.
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No. Thank you for having me.
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Mommy, you were away
for a long time again.
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- What were you doing?
- I was in New York working on the news.
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And what does that entail?
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I was asking questions.
Questions help reporters get to the truth.
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Were you with the men with the cameras?
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Interesting.
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- Can I have a new camera, please?
- We'll have to talk to your dad about that.
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I'm trying to get to the truth here,
Mommy.
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Answer the question.
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I think this interview is over.
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- Okay.
- Nice try.
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President Bush said today he was
disgusted by pictures of Iraqi prisoners...
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being abused by American soldiers.
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Caused a bit of a ruckus, didn't you?
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Who, me?
You didn't let Robbie watch it, did you?
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Yes, because
I'm the worst parent of all time.
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...and the damage to U.S. interests...
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in the rest of the world
is hard to calculate, but....
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- You wanna take a walk?
- Here's Martha Raddatz.
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No, I think I have to work.
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Mary, thanks for coming in.
Look, no big preamble.
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We love you.
We love what you've done. It's...
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Let's talk about the new season.
What are you thinking?
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I might have something for the election.
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There's this Houston businessman
named Bill White...
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who claims that he has documents
that show the bin Laden family...
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were investors in Arbusto.
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Arbusto? Bush's oil company?
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You know, could just be lots of sound
and fury, but Vanity Fair is into it too.
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You know,
that whole time period for Bush is funky.
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Funky how?
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Well, I did some work on it back in 2000.
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- You know Ben Barnes?
- No.
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Oh, he's an old Texas pol.
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Barnes says when he was
the speaker of the Texas House...
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in '68 during Vietnam...
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Sid Adger, this big oilman,
comes into his office...
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and asks for help getting George Bush...
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into the National Guard as a pilot.
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And Poppy Bush at this point
is a congressman...
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and Barnes figures
he can use the connections.
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So he says that he called General Rose,
who runs the Texas Air National Guard...
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and gets Bush his slot.
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Barnes told you this?
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Off the record. He's been dining out
on the story for years.
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I call Buck Staudt,
Bush's squadron commander...
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and he starts screaming at me,
saying how Barnes is full of shit...
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because everybody knows he's the one
who got Bush into the Guard, not Barnes.
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Anyway, while Bush is in the Guard,
he meets this guy named James Bath.
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And they become running buddies.
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And after they get out, Bath,
with no résumé to speak of...
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becomes
chief financial representative...
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for the bin Laden family's interests
in Texas.
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Bush starts up Arbusto,
Bath writes him a $50,000 check.
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Which your guy, White,
claims is bin Laden money?
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Okay. Okay, run it down.
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But if we go with this, we gotta go early.
We can't October surprise them.
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All right. If you're into this, I'd like
to bring in some other people to help.
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Who?
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Colonel Roger Charles.
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Worked Abu Ghraib for us.
Naval Academy grad.
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Two tours at Vietnam, then the Pentagon.
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When he's not working for us, he's trying
to get better armor for troops in Iraq.
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Who else?
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Well, since Dana's on maternity leave,
I'd like Lucy Scott to run point.
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She's a CBS veteran,
journalism professor in Dallas.
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What about this man, Mike Smith?
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Mikey cut his teeth working for Molly Ivins.
He was a researcher for us back in 2000.
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Last I heard, he was a stringer
for People.com...
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sneaking into parties
to find out who's sleeping with who.
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Now, when you say "sport-fucking,"
he was just putting it to her for fun...
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or he's like actively attempting
to compete at it?
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It is a crack team.
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Trust me.
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You really gonna do it this time?
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Your evil corporate overlords
will let you?
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Good to see you too, Mikey.
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CBS is talking
about closing foreign bureaus...
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moving into more
of a bullshit infotainment direction.
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They won't touch the news division,
as long as Dan's there.
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Dan's not gonna be there forever.
They'll find a way to get the old man out.
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Why did he even get into journalism
if he's not gonna do the tough stories?
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How you doing, Mikey?
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I'm eating ramen three meals a day...
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stealing cable.
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I could use a job.
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Come in, meet everybody.
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Well, hell's bells,
you brought me a hippy?
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This is Mike Smith,
we worked on this together in 2000.
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- He has no social graces whatsoever.
- That's true.
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Your Arbusto tip, it's for shit.
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Bin Laden money never got near Bush.
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Okay.
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What am I doing here?
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What you're looking at
is George W. Bush's...
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entire Texas Air National Guard file.
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- You mean what's left of it, right?
- That's affirmative.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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You guys are doing a paper trail.
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Let me show you what we've got.
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It starts right here.
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May, 1968.
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Bloodiest month of the Vietnam War.
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Bush is accepted into the Texas Air
National Guard for pilot training.
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And if you believe Ben Barnes,
he got Bush onto the waiting list.
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If there ever was a waiting list.
Some say yes, some say no.
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Bush says he got in quickly
because they were looking for pilots...
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which is bullshit with the pilots
rotating back in from Vietnam.
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And that's another thing.
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Training a National Guard pilot
from start to finish, that's a huge rarity.
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- Why?
- It's not cost-effective.
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Air National Guard jocks...
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they're former Air Force pilots
who wanna maintain their ratings.
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Why spend a million bucks
training some new pilot...
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when you can get some guy
the Air Force taught how to fly.
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Only thing that makes Bush an attractive
candidate is who he's connected to.
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Well, either way, he's in.
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He signs on for a six-year commitment.
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He does his pilot training at Moody...
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then he's assigned to the 111th
Fighter Intercept Squadron in Houston.
243
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Now, the record shows
that he does really well here.
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High marks at every rating period,
until the spring of 1972...
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when he is suspended in writing
for missing a routine physical.
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How does someone go
from being a top-notch pilot...
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to not even taking a physical?
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Well, not only that, but he requests
and he is granted...
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a reassignment to Alabama where he
helps a friend on his senate campaign.
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Wait, so he disobeys an order
and then they let him transfer?
251
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Oh, hey, it gets better.
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From May 1972 to May 1973...
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the record shows there are no points
registered on Bush's record.
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Points. They're like hours on a time card
in the Guard.
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What it basically means
is that Bush never even showed up.
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The Alabama commander,
he has no recollection of him.
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No eyewitness can place him
on that base.
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And there is no paperwork
to prove that he was ever there.
259
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So you're telling me that
the president of the United States...
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may have gone AWOL from the military
for over a year?
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We have no proof of that.
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- What does the White House say?
- That Bush served honorably...
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and military records go missing
all the time.
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Military records do not go missing
all the time.
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They're the military.
They are good at shit.
266
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Now, the next time Bush appears
on the official record is in July of 1973...
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when he shows up for drills.
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And then in September of 1973...
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he requests and he is granted
an early discharge. Why?
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So that he can attend
Harvard Business School.
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So he asks to quit nine months early
and they just let him.
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So, what are the questions
we're looking to answer?
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One, did Bush go into the Guard
to avoid going to Vietnam?
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Not to be cynical, but who didn't try to get
into the Guard to avoid 'Nam back then?
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Me.
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Bush's trainer in the 147th
said he wanted to go to Vietnam.
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There's only one document
that deals with that in the official record.
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On the question
of desiring overseas transfer...
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Bush checked no.
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Bush's trainer said
that must have been a mistake.
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- Because that's a question you get wrong.
- Two, why did he skip his physical?
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Well, it's not like he had a drug problem.
He just liked the way it smelled.
283
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Okay, three.
284
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If someone did get him into the Guard,
then who?
285
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How the hell do we get them
to go on the record?
286
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Forty-one percent say
they want Mr. Bush reelected...
287
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while 51 percent don't.
288
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Is it that time of year again already...
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when I have to fend off the advances
of a beautiful woman such as yourself?
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Governor, you got the president of the
United States into the National Guard.
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I mean, my God,
I find that very impressive.
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It is impressive, isn't it?
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Come on TV, tell us all about it.
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Oh, we both know if I ever said that...
295
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about Texas' favorite son on camera,
I'd be run out of Austin on a rail.
296
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No, sorry, Mary.
297
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Johnny's gonna win this thing, anyway.
298
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Barnes is still a no. Who's next?
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Colonel Jerry Killian.
Bush's CO in the 111th.
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If anyone will know what really went on,
he will.
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Small problem there.
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- Which is?
- Killian's dead.
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- That's a pickle.
- Who's next?
304
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General Buck Staudt.
305
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Former CO
of Bush's 147th Interceptor Squadron.
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George was one of the best pilots
I ever had.
307
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So I'm gonna respectfully invite you
to go fuck yourself.
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General Bobby Hodges...
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succeeded Staudt as commander
of the 147th, Killian's direct supervisor.
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My husband says
no strings were pulled for him.
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Now, please stop calling our house.
312
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Maurice Udell, Bush's flight instructor.
313
00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,850
No strings were pulled for him.
314
00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,243
I thought he'd be a great American
and a great fighter pilot.
315
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,371
Tom Honeycutt.
316
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No strings were pulled.
317
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Albert Lloyd.
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- No strings were pulled.
- Motherf...
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Bill Hollowell.
320
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No strings were pulled.
And even if they were, it's a nonissue.
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00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,842
Hey! Hey! Move, you son of a bitch!
322
00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,246
It was like they were given
talking points.
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He was a great guy,
no strings were pulled.
324
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,767
Well, devil's advocate, Mary.
What if no strings were pulled?
325
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You know who else was in the 147th?
326
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Lloyd Bentsen's son...
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00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,486
John Connally's son,
both of Sid Adger's sons...
328
00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,889
H.L. Hunt's grandson,
the heirs to the Sakowitz fortune...
329
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,050
and half the starting line
of the Dallas Cowboys.
330
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Yeah, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
331
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So, what's our next move?
332
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I have no idea.
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- I served with John Kerry.
- I served with John Kerry.
334
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,408
Kerry has not been honest
about what happened in Vietnam.
335
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,761
He is lying about his record.
336
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,169
I know John Kerry is lying
about his first Purple Heart...
337
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because I treated him.
338
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,048
John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star.
339
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,681
I know, I was there,
I saw what happened.
340
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,726
His account of what happened
and what actually happened...
341
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,526
are the difference
between night and day.
342
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,290
- Yeah?
- Who is that?
343
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,289
My secret lover, go back to sleep.
344
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,644
Have you ever heard of Linda Starr?
345
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,726
She runs this website, it's like
a clearing house for anti-Bush stuff.
346
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,005
She's hinting documents
are gonna be leaked soon.
347
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,091
What kind of documents?
348
00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,122
Mary Mapes is on line two.
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00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,970
Thank you.
350
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,487
- Mary.
- Yeah, I think we've got something.
351
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,762
Anti-Bush, Internet rabble-rouser.
352
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,887
Oh, God, I talked to her for three hours,
but she put me in touch with her source.
353
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:47,327
A colonel who says he may have access...
354
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,126
to missing documents
in Bush's purged Guard file.
355
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,887
- Sounds promising.
- I got Mike Smith talking to him right now.
356
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,924
- Milk?
- Get a look at those documents.
357
00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,488
And do some background on the colonel,
make sure he isn't nuts.
358
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,401
Thank you.
359
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,444
- Enjoy.
- Thank you.
360
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,449
No. I saw it.
361
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,646
I saw it with my own two eyes. Those
parts of Bush's file they didn't like...
362
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,571
- ...they tossed in the wastebasket.
- Do you have these?
363
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,526
Bill tried to talk about this in 2000,
someone ran us off the road one night.
364
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,691
- I ain't scared of them.
- Well, I am. I am scared.
365
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,603
All right, let's say
I have the documents.
366
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,931
Why should I show them to you?
Why not one of the newspapers?
367
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,761
- Because nobody reads newspapers.
- One of the other networks, then.
368
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,725
Don't know if you've noticed,
there's not too many people...
369
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,042
who actually do what we do anymore.
370
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,244
We're 60 Minutes.
We're the gold standard.
371
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,329
We can help you.
372
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,482
Look, you come on camera...
373
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,648
No. No. No cameras.
374
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,410
Our name stays out of this.
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00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,086
They will destroy us for this,
don't you understand?
376
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,120
Nicki, listen.
I know what it's like to be bullied.
377
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,682
To feel like they're too strong,
and you're small and powerless.
378
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,530
But you're not.
379
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,722
And doing this will show them that.
380
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,326
Now, I promise...
381
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,171
we will protect you.
382
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,202
- These are signed by Jerry Killian.
- Yes, they are.
383
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,762
The first one says
that Bush made no attempt...
384
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to meet his training certification.
385
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,283
That is a big difference
than just missing his physical.
386
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,927
And the second one
refers to his pilot position as critical.
387
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:13,489
Well, Bush said he stopped flying
because they no longer needed pilots.
388
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,724
But this document
would prove that statement untrue.
389
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,651
Can you think of anybody
who'd wanna fool you with these...
390
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,882
like a political dirty trick?
391
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,811
I can't think of anyone
who would hate me that much.
392
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,401
And do you have the originals of these?
393
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,285
No. No, I was only given copies.
394
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,607
And don't ask me where I got them,
I'm not gonna tell you anything else.
395
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,009
You get your own experts if you want to,
you have them look at them.
396
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,009
- We will.
- We will.
397
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,729
September 15th, we don't have a show.
398
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,849
CBS is running The Billy Graham Crusade.
399
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,250
- What about the 22nd?
- Preempted again. Dr. Phil special.
400
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,886
So our air date is decided
by an unholy confluence...
401
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,361
between Billy Graham
and Dr. Phil McGraw?
402
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,804
- Jesus..
- News doesn't pay the bills.
403
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:01,565
There is one more option.
404
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,129
- The 8th.
- As in five days from now?
405
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,682
- If you don't think...
- I need interviews.
406
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,362
I need to get the whole team to New York
and I need... First, I need Dan.
407
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,721
Where is he?
408
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,891
Hurricane Frances
is pounding the Florida coast...
409
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,522
harder than a strongman trying
to win a Kewpie doll at a carnival!
410
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,768
I'm gonna kill him.
411
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,127
You may not have to.
412
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,003
Maybe I can get him on a puddle jumper
to Austin for the Strong interview.
413
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,603
I got an e-mail from the colonel about
the documents saying, "I feel better."
414
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,683
- Yeah?
- A memorandum for record...
415
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,530
is a memo to nobody, right?
416
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,529
So why does Killian file them?
417
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,571
Well, Killian knows suspending a guy
this protected is a big deal.
418
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,765
He's trying to do the right thing here, but
he needs a paper trail to insulate himself.
419
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,806
Which means Bush's protection
must've come from higher up than Killian.
420
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,411
You're thinking Hodges?
421
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,207
He was Killian's direct supervisor.
I'll call you back.
422
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,769
You have reached the Hodges'
residence, please leave a message.
423
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,887
General Hodges,
Mary Mapes from 60 Minutes.
424
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,481
I was wondering
if you could give me a call back.
425
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,728
Holy shit!
426
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,370
You gotta see this.
It's a video from a cell phone...
427
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,006
at a Democratic fundraiser.
428
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,480
Now... Thank you. Thank you.
429
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,446
Now, let's talk about John Kerry
and George Bush.....
430
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,486
- Is that Ben Barnes?
- And I'm not name-dropping.
431
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,443
You see, I got a young man
named George Bush....
432
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,850
into the Air National Guard when
I was lieutenant governor of Texas.
433
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,771
Now, I'm not necessarily
proud of that, but....
434
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,689
Holy shit!
435
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,568
I didn't know they were taping me.
Did you see it? I looked like shit!
436
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,084
- I thought you looked wonderful, Ben.
- Oh, don't you start.
437
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,449
The cat's already out of the bag
and your man Kerry's 10 points down.
438
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,486
We're airing this piece in five days.
Are you in or not?
439
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,925
- We got him! We got Barnes!
- Burkett just called.
440
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,164
- He's got more memos to hand off.
- We need to find his source.
441
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,203
- Okay.
- Be at the airport in the morning.
442
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,489
- I'll fax you when I get there.
- Yes!
443
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,362
"Bush wasn't here during rating
and I don't have any feedback...
444
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:43,125
from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate.
Austin is not happy either."
445
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,767
"Bush was not here
during rating period."
446
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,921
They're trying to get Killian to file a rating
for Bush while he wasn't even on base.
447
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,724
This is proof he was AWOL.
448
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,602
Who do I talk to first?
449
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,805
Is there any doubt in your mind
that these memos are genuine?
450
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,324
Well, they are compatible with the way
business was done at that time.
451
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,808
They are compatible with the man
that I remember Jerry Killian being.
452
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,810
And what do you think Colonel Killian
was trying to do?
453
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,685
I think he was trying
to get a duty performed...
454
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,204
and he was trying to protect himself
because of the political environment.
455
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,803
So political considerations
were a major force in the Guard?
456
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,524
It verged on outright corruption,
the favors that were done...
457
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,121
the power that was traded.
458
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,171
From a moral and ethical standpoint...
459
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,729
it was unconscionable.
460
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,242
Let's go to New York.
461
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:02,761
I didn't get a chance
to introduce myself.
462
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,122
- Dan Rather.
- No shit.
463
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,130
I mean, I'm Mike Smith. I'm familiar...
464
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,529
I mean... I... I... I'm... Hello.
465
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,721
You know, Mary tells me you're the one
that calls me "the old man."
466
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,051
Well, I... I really wish
she hadn't shared that with you.
467
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,451
Look, I appreciate the hard work
you're doing on this.
468
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,246
Asking questions, that's important.
469
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,807
Some people are gonna say
it doesn't matter.
470
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,964
One side or the other's always gonna say
you're being partisan.
471
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,482
But you stop asking questions,
that's when the American people lose.
472
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,331
Now, that may sound hokey,
but I believe it.
473
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,682
So keep it up.
474
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,204
Y... Yeah... Or no. Thank you.
475
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,129
You're welcome.
476
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,482
You know what's crazy?
477
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,407
Many things are crazy.
478
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,650
Tell me specifically
what you feel is crazy.
479
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,162
The fact that they kept this secret
for so long.
480
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,680
You do know why Mary didn't get
this story done in 2000, don't you?
481
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,841
Mary's mother died...
482
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,122
right in the middle of it.
483
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,560
And then the story never got finished
and the election happened.
484
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,243
An election that was decided
by 537 votes.
485
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,967
I think...
486
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,684
that if Mary's mother
hadn't died that summer...
487
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,726
there's a real good chance that
AI Gore would be president right now.
488
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,887
And what about her father?
489
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,084
Mary's father
is a drunken piece of shit...
490
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,443
who hated himself so much,
he beat his own daughters.
491
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,165
The more outspoken they were,
she says, the harder he hit them.
492
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,284
- So how do you think she fared?
- She would get beat up...
493
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,768
- ...for asking questions?
- That's right.
494
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,564
And this is what she does for a living?
495
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,322
People are funny sometimes.
496
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,522
It's part of what's between her and Dan,
I think.
497
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,291
Why they work so well together.
498
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,526
It's why they need each other.
499
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,487
Fathers and daughters.
500
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,169
Tell me about the document examiners.
501
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,365
There are four. Marcel Matley is coming
from San Francisco to do on-camera.
502
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,080
Linda James in Texas
wants to see the originals.
503
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,408
- Yeah, we don't have them.
- I told her.
504
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,046
Jim Pierce in Los Angeles
just started today...
505
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,284
and Emily Will in North Carolina
wants you to call her.
506
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,606
Right. Got it.
507
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,962
I think you have a problem.
508
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,282
I've been doing Internet research.
509
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,326
President was in Alabama when
these were written, they can't be true.
510
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,962
Okay. Have you found anything wrong
with the documents themselves?
511
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,881
- Well, no, but...
- Do they appear forged in any way?
512
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,128
- Without the originals...
- That's okay.
513
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,926
You just let me worry
about the investigational side.
514
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,966
I always work the whole thing.
515
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,285
Look, do you know
where these originated?
516
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,887
Establishing chain of custody
would go a long way...
517
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,008
toward determining authenticity.
518
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,441
Yeah, believe me, we're working on it.
519
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,440
I give you the memos, you verify them,
that was the deal.
520
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,483
You call the Kerry campaign for me yet?
521
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,762
They cannot lie down
on this Swift Boat shit.
522
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,490
If you could just confirm where you got
the memos from, we would be home free.
523
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,524
- I told you I cannot go on the record.
- I know.
524
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,121
I know. You wouldn't have to.
525
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,001
You just give me the name.
All right? That's all I need.
526
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,520
George Conn.
527
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,003
- Buddy of mine in the Guard.
- Right.
528
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,522
He was there for the scrubbing.
But you call him, he will deny it.
529
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,803
- Thank you.
- Goodbye.
530
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,567
You have reached the Conn residence.
Please leave a message.
531
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,161
Colonel, this is Mary Mapes
with 60 Minutes.
532
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,204
Was wondering if you could give me
a call at your convenience.
533
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,883
It's regarding a story we're airing
on Wednesday night. Thank you.
534
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,605
- Matley's here.
- Yeah.
535
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,367
I would say, based on
our available handwriting evidence...
536
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,961
yes, this is the same person.
537
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,365
This signature on the June 24th document
shows some conspicuous differences.
538
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,883
But it also shows some inconspicuous...
539
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,481
similarities
to Colonel Killian's handwriting.
540
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,206
Right, and why might
differences like this exist?
541
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,046
The content of the memo
is highly stressful...
542
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,524
Killian telling a higher-up that he
cannot rate Bush during his absence.
543
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,169
This is enough to explain differences
in the pen strokes.
544
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,561
Would you excuse me a moment?
545
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,606
It's like watching paint dry.
What am I gonna do?
546
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,844
That was in there somewhere.
Think you can get the bite?
547
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,203
- Did I have lint on my jacket?
- Two bottles of whiskey.
548
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,731
Okay.
549
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,408
So, sir, are you saying that if I
present this to the American public...
550
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,807
and say that to the best
of our knowledge...
551
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,562
these documents are all signed
by the same man, am I on solid ground?
552
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,486
Yes.
553
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,127
Matley's a yes. Jim Pierce is a yes.
Emily Will's still working.
554
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,170
Linda James wants more documents,
but she'll defer to Matley.
555
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,603
Dates, contents of the Burkett memos
mesh with the official record.
556
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,401
And I'm having Graphics
mock something up to show it visually.
557
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,931
We don't have it yet.
558
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,922
Somebody has got to confirm
the content of those memos.
559
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,804
Somebody who knew the players.
560
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,968
No one in the Guard is gonna step up.
561
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,806
Look what happened to Burkett. You talk,
you get your head handed to you.
562
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,604
Who were Killian's commanders?
563
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,964
There's Buck Staudt, who figuratively
and literally told me to go fuck myself...
564
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,970
and Bobby Hodges,
who I've left 18 messages for.
565
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,250
Fine, I'll do 19.
566
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,241
You guys feel like pizza?
567
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,770
I really feel like we should
start thinking about pizza.
568
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,644
Hello?
569
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,209
- General Hodges?
- Yeah.
570
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,002
This is Mary Mapes with 60 Minutes.
571
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,961
I'd like to speak with you
about some old memos...
572
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,888
I've come across from the 187th
Fighter Interceptor Squadron.
573
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:29,164
They appear to be...
574
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,365
from the personal files
of Jerry Killian.
575
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,960
Well, I'd like to read them to you,
if that's okay?
576
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,924
All right.
577
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:48,530
Okay. The first one
is dated June 24, 1973.
578
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,248
And the subject is Bush, George W.,
first lieutenant.
579
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,929
"Sir. I got a call from your staff
concerning the evaluation...
580
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,566
of First Lieutenant Bush due this month.
581
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,969
His rater is Lieutenant Colonel Harris.
582
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,603
Neither Lieutenant Colonel Harris or I
feel we can rate First Lieutenant Bush...
583
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,283
since he was not training
with the 111th FIS since April 1972.
584
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,963
His recent activity
is outside the rating period.
585
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,921
Advise me how we
are supposed to handle this."
586
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,091
Okay, the...
587
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,208
This one is August 18, 1973
and the subject titled CYA...
588
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,444
which I believe means "cover your ass"?
589
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,691
Okay. "Staudt has obviously pressured
Hodges more about Bush.
590
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,884
I'm having trouble running interference
and doing my job.
591
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,603
Harris gave me a message today
from Group regarding Bush's OETR...
592
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,167
and Staudt is pushing to sugarcoat it.
593
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,284
Bush wasn't here during rating period...
594
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,370
and I don't have any feedback
from 187th in Alabama.
595
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,562
I will not rate.
596
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,247
Austin is not happy today either.
597
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Harris took the call from Group today.
598
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,522
I'll backdate but won't rate.
599
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,087
Harris agrees."
600
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,531
Sir, are these memos familiar to you?
601
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,363
They are.
602
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,127
But using someone's personal notes,
that's going overboard.
603
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,166
You're trying to make news, create
a story here where there isn't one.
604
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,206
No, sir, we're not trying
to create anything.
605
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,009
Hold on a minute. Hold.
606
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,445
We have it.
607
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,450
Tell me the truth, and the whole truth,
about what happened...
608
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,042
with George W. Bush
and the draft and the National Guard.
609
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,691
Sid Adger, a friend of the Bush family,
came to see me...
610
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,282
and he asked me if I would recommend...
611
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,529
George W. Bush
for the Air National Guard.
612
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,404
And I did.
613
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,525
I'm concerned about
the sheer amount of story we have.
614
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:17,247
You know, what if we split it?
You know, run Barnes tomorrow...
615
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,761
and the documents
on the Sunday broadcast.
616
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,971
Sunday's show won't give us the real
estate. Where are we with the rest of it?
617
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,647
Well, I just got an e-mail
from Emily Will.
618
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,127
She has some concerns
about the superscript thing.
619
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,926
- Superscript?
- It's the raised "th" after the 111.
620
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,926
She was worried that function wasn't
available on military typewriters in the '70s.
621
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,010
But I spoke to Matley,
he said they were available then...
622
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,362
so Emily said she'd defer to him.
623
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,686
Good, all right.
624
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,043
White House will have someone
for on-camera in the morning.
625
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,489
I can't send Dan because of the storm.
626
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,570
That fucking hurricane hates me.
627
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,606
Well, I don't think
that I had the right...
628
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,371
to have the power that I had.
629
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,248
To choose who was gonna go to Vietnam
and who was not gonna go to Vietnam.
630
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,961
That's a power in some instances
when I look at those names...
631
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,324
of maybe determining life or death,
and that's not a power I wanna have.
632
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,242
Too strong or not,
to say you're ashamed of it now?
633
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,407
Oh, I think that that would be
an appropriate thing.
634
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,571
I'm very, very sorry.
635
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,967
What's it running?
636
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,568
It's 60 minutes, at least three over.
637
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,809
Some of the document stuffs a little slow,
you can trim there.
638
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,487
How about flipping it, open with Barnes,
then do the documents?
639
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,648
Keep it chronological.
640
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,484
You've got three hours.
641
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,688
- Okay.
- Right.
642
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,247
Now, this signature,
on the June 24th document...
643
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,602
shows some conspicuous differences.
644
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,371
But it also shows some inconspicuous...
645
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,648
No. Go back. It's still too long.
646
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,162
- Go back to the bit where he's...
- You've gotta lose Matley.
647
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,687
We're 40 seconds over,
and he's a shit interview.
648
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,444
The meshing graphic doesn't work.
649
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,326
It shows where the new documents fall in
with the originals. If we lose that...
650
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,000
Poorly. Look, we're out of time.
651
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,686
It's your call. What do you wanna do?
652
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,930
Cut it.
653
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,044
- We need to output in two minutes.
- I know.
654
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,129
If we don't start outputting,
we're not gonna have a show.
655
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,083
- Lock it and start outputting.
- If there's a computer hiccup...
656
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,568
- Tom, I worship you, but shut the fuck up.
- Okay. All right.
657
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,407
Eighteen new castaways
will face their toughest challenge yet.
658
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,208
Survivor: Vanuatu premieres Thursday
at 8,7 Central. Only on CBS.
659
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,801
Somebody's gonna get burned.
660
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,929
The military records of the two men
running for president...
661
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,363
have become part of the political arsenal
in this campaign.
662
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,131
A tool for building up or blowing up...
663
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,962
each candidate's credibility
as America's next commander-in-chief.
664
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,165
While Senator Kerry has been targeted
for what he did in combat in Vietnam...
665
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,807
President Bush has been criticized
for avoiding Vietnam...
666
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,289
by landing a much sought-after spot
in the Texas Air National Guard...
667
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,925
and then, apparently, failing to meet
some of his obligations in the Guard.
668
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,449
Did then Lieutenant Bush
fulfill all his military commitments?
669
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,770
And just how did he land that coveted
slot in the Guard in the first place?
670
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,082
Tonight, we have new documents...
671
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,489
and new information
on the president's military service.
672
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,487
And the first interview
with the man who says...
673
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,371
he pulled the strings
to get young George W. Bush...
674
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,404
into the Texas Air National Guard.
675
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,048
The president's time
in the National Guard reemerged today.
676
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,483
He enlisted in Texas,
transferred to Alabama...
677
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,571
- ...and got out early to attend...
- This is what our business has become.
678
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,765
Reporting on reporting. I mean,
why go to the trouble of breaking news...
679
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,648
when all you have to do is just talk
about other people breaking news, huh?
680
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,170
Thirty minutes from now, someone
somewhere is gonna be doing...
681
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,649
a story about this guy
doing a story about us.
682
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,963
You know what?
They're all gonna get Peabodys.
683
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,964
This one mattered.
684
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,205
It was great. Even the kid liked it.
685
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,686
Oh, really?
686
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,282
Yeah. Yeah, you're a hell
of a reporter, babe.
687
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,641
All right, well, I'll be home tomorrow.
688
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,285
Okay, fly safe.
689
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,246
- All right, I love you.
- Bye.
690
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,406
Hey, Mary?
691
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,564
What's going on? Because these...
692
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,049
These blogs are saying the memos can
be re-created exactly in Microsoft Word.
693
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,723
- Who's saying this?
- Well, it's a conservative website, but...
694
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,923
"Every one of these memos
is in proportionally spaced font.
695
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,322
It's probably Palatino
or Times New Roman.
696
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,724
In 1972, typewriters
used monospaced fonts.
697
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,366
Proportionally spaced fonts
did not come into use...
698
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,404
until the introduction
of personal computers.
699
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,126
They were not widespread
until the '90s. Before then...
700
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,922
you needed typesetting equipment.
That wasn't used for personal memos.
701
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,766
I'm saying these documents
are forgeries...
702
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,851
run through a copier
for 15 generations...
703
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,646
to make them look old."
704
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,647
Okay.
705
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,489
Mary?
706
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,401
What the hell is going on?
707
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,687
"Spacing is not just similar,
it is identical in every respect.
708
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,646
Notice that the date lines up perfectly,
the line breaks are in the same places...
709
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,329
all letters line up
with the same letters above and below.
710
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,648
And the kerning is exactly the same.
711
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,083
And I did not change a single thing
from Word's defaults.
712
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:18,925
Margins, type size, tab stops, etcetera,
are all using the default settings."
713
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,647
What the hell are we gonna do?
714
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,285
Due respect, did you fuck up?
715
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,002
We had four document examiners
and not one said the memos weren't real.
716
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,727
Did any of them try typing them
into Microsoft Word?
717
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,087
I don't know,
I'm not a document examiner.
718
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,365
But I'm assuming their job is to make
sure these things weren't whipped up.
719
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,929
- Just because guys on the Internet...
- It's not just the guys on the Internet.
720
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,724
ABC News is going after this.
721
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,241
- Nightline.
- You mean they're going after Dan?
722
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,841
- Yes.
- Tell them about the superscript.
723
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,725
It's the "th" that pops up
after you type a number.
724
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,969
- Like 111th.
- Yeah. I know what it is. What about it?
725
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,528
Bloggers are saying it's a big red flag
this was done on a computer.
726
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,644
They say it didn't exist
on typewriters in the 1970s.
727
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,290
- Well...
- One of the examiners...
728
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,602
did raise that concern as well.
729
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,405
Emily Will.
730
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,968
Yeah, but Matley said they did
have them, and she deferred to him.
731
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,362
They will kill us on that alone.
732
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,610
- I don't understand, what do they want?
- They want us to say we're wrong.
733
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,165
Because if we're wrong...
734
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,251
all the questions we've asked
about the president's service go away.
735
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,722
Look. Okay.
736
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,121
We have the document examiners, okay?
737
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,891
Bob Strong,
who worked at Guard headquarters...
738
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,482
says the memos are written
in the vernacular of the Guard at the time.
739
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,849
And we have Bobby Hodges,
Killian's commanding officer...
740
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,684
who confirmed both the content...
741
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,770
and that they reflected
Killian's state of mind at the time.
742
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,564
We have this story.
743
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,046
Well, make sure.
744
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,890
Reconfirm with everybody.
745
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,165
And find us another goddamn "th"
in the official record.
746
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,004
We need to find that "th."
747
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,486
- Hi.
- Yo.
748
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,409
- You heard?
- Yeah, yeah. It's bullshit.
749
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,290
Pardon my French.
750
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,241
People have attacked me for 30 years,
it's not about to start bothering me now.
751
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,005
Now, are you okay?
752
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,968
We're gonna be in a fight here, Dan.
753
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,848
- I still got a few good ones left in me.
- Did you get your contract sewn up yet?
754
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,362
I got the head of the news division
his job, I'm gonna be fine.
755
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,848
You gonna give me something
to hit back with?
756
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,970
Yes, sir.
757
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,844
The blast went off at 10:30 local time
at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta...
758
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,010
killing nine people and wounding 180.
759
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,329
Jemaah Islamiah,
the Southeast Asian terrorist group...
760
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,727
claimed responsibility for the attack.
761
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,890
...but several document experts
contacted by ABC News...
762
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,244
have raised serious questions about
the authenticity of these new documents.
763
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,724
They point to the typeface, spacing
and perfectly even imprint of the letters...
764
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,084
that look more like the creation
of a computer than a typewriter.
765
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,244
And there's this,
the little superscript "th."
766
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,082
That's something very few typewriters
could do in 1972.
767
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,569
You have reached the Hodges'
residence. Please leave a message.
768
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,047
General Hodges...
769
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:29,245
this is Mary Mapes. We need
to get in touch again. Can you call me?
770
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,965
Thank you.
771
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,002
...avoid Vietnam has followed him
since he ran for governor of Texas...
772
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,001
- ...and Mr. Bush has always denied it.
- I enjoyed it and I enjoyed my service...
773
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,650
Nothing.
774
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,206
You done with these?
775
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,964
- Never were mine.
- Okay.
776
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,443
...that he was a person who did n...
777
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,728
Staudt was already out of the Guard.
778
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,205
What are you talking about?
779
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,041
The CYA memo, dated August 18, 1973.
780
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:14,883
"Staudt has obviously
pressured Hodges more about Bush."
781
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Staudt left the Guard in 1972.
782
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,087
So how the fuck
can he still be pressuring?
783
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,764
Listen, when a commanding officer...
784
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,249
- No, the bloggers are having a field day.
- When a general leaves his posting...
785
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,290
and goes to work for Quantico
on the same base...
786
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,565
he still wields an enormous amount of
influence. It doesn't matter when he left.
787
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,762
- Back me up, Roger.
- She's right.
788
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,926
Yeah. Right, well...
789
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,246
Forgive me if I don't think everyone
is gonna see it the same way you do.
790
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:57,887
This is bad.
791
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,567
No, when they start asking
to talk to our source...
792
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,683
then it'll be bad.
793
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,846
They're coming for us, Roger.
794
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,009
I've got one.
795
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,804
What?
796
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,086
I have a superscript "th" here.
797
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,169
Josh!
798
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,125
Call Dan,
tell him we just got in the fight.
799
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,410
So can the experts say, George,
positively that these weren't typed...
800
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,080
and couldn't have been made
in the early '70s?
801
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,005
They say all the clues indicate that.
They're not making...
802
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,444
an absolute 100 percent guarantee,
and CBS is still standing by its story.
803
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,729
And in fact, they're also
pointing to another source...
804
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,610
a Colonel Robert Hodges...
805
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,411
who was an immediate superior
of Mr. Killian.
806
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,524
They say they read these documents
to Colonel Hodges.
807
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,923
He said, "Sounds like what Killian
was telling me at the time."
808
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,849
Hodges is not speaking to anyone yet.
809
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,447
Because we can't get him
on the fucking phone!
810
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,891
Those raising questions
about the documents...
811
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,924
have focused on something
called superscript.
812
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,727
A key that automatically types
a raised "th."
813
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,086
Critics claim typewriters didn't have
that ability in the 1970s, but some did.
814
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:51,645
In fact, other Bush military records
released by the White House itself...
815
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,808
show the same superscript.
816
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,964
Here's one from 1968.
817
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,805
Some analysts outside CBS...
818
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,851
say they believe the typeface
on these memos is New Times Roman...
819
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,964
which they claim was not available
in the 1970s.
820
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,562
But the owner of the company
that distributes this typing style...
821
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,525
says it has been available since 1931.
822
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,849
Document and handwriting examiner
Marcel Matley...
823
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,611
analyzed the documents for CBS News.
824
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,643
He says he believes they are real...
825
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,367
but is concerned about
exactly what is being examined...
826
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,609
by some of the people
now questioning the documents.
827
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,441
Because deterioration occurs
each time a document is reproduced.
828
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,770
And the documents being analyzed
outside of CBS had been photocopied...
829
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,128
faxed, scanned and downloaded...
830
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,086
and are far removed
from the documents CBS started with.
831
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,365
Matley did this interview with us
prior to Wednesday's broadcast.
832
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,924
We look basically at what's called
significant or insignificant features...
833
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,124
to determine
whether it's the same person or not.
834
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,244
So I have no problem identifying them.
835
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,768
I would say based on our available
handwriting evidence...
836
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,964
yes, this is the same person.
837
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,171
Matley finds the signatures to be
some of the most compelling evidence.
838
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,045
We talked to him again today
by satellite.
839
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,444
Are you surprised questions come about
these? We're not, but are you surprised?
840
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,489
I knew going in this was dynamite,
one way or the other.
841
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:27,050
And I knew that potentially this could do
far more damage to me professionally...
842
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:28,890
than benefit me.
843
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,287
And... And I knew that.
844
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,525
But... But we seek the truth.
That's what we do.
845
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,009
You're supposed to put yourself out,
seek the truth...
846
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,567
and take what comes from it.
847
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,248
For the CBS Evening News...
848
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,965
Dan Rather reporting.
849
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,645
Good night.
850
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,207
And we're clear.
851
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,729
- I told you I had it in me.
- I'm calling Andrew right now.
852
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,849
- F.E.A.
- No kidding.
853
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,327
- What'd you think?
- I think you parked it.
854
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,607
Bobby Hodges is on the phone.
855
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,930
General Hodges? This is Mary Mapes.
I've got Dan Rather on the line with me.
856
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,727
Why is The Washington Post describing
me as your trump card in this?
857
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,010
Did you tell them that, Dan?
858
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,725
I did not, sir.
859
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,289
It says a highly placed CBS source
referred to me as your trump card.
860
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,689
Well, sir, that was not me
and it was not Dan.
861
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,362
Well, good, because I'm not.
I've seen all the coverage.
862
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,769
And I have to say
I think these memos are fake.
863
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,685
You...? Excuse me?
864
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,526
I do not believe Jerry Killian
wrote those memos.
865
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,404
Sir, when we spoke on...
866
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,843
September 6th... I'm sorry,
I'm just going through my notes.
867
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,886
When we spoke, you said the content
of the memos was familiar to you.
868
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,610
- Is that correct?
- Yes.
869
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,691
And that they reflected
Colonel Killian's mind-set at the time.
870
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,370
And they do.
871
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,883
But I hadn't physically seen them.
872
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,605
So, what physically about the memos
makes you now doubt their authenticity?
873
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,565
Jerry's family says
he didn't write them.
874
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,724
General, the thrust of our story
was about what happened...
875
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,601
with the president's Guard service.
Now, if as you say...
876
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,246
Colonel Killian really did feel
this way...
877
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,240
and the things described
in the memos are true...
878
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,289
we'd like to talk to you about that.
879
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,768
I'm just telling you
I now believe the memos are forgeries.
880
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,644
Forget the memos, sir.
881
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,767
Ls what we presented
about President Bush accurate?
882
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,446
- I don't wanna get in the middle of this.
- Get him to go on camera.
883
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,603
Would you be willing if I came to see you
to talk to me on camera?
884
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,881
No, Dan, I'm sorry.
885
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,321
Maybe after the election.
886
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,171
- General, if you...
- Look, the family says they're fake.
887
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,570
And I'm supporting the family, okay?
I'm sorry.
888
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,603
Shit!
889
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,531
All right, what are we doing
about Hodges recanting?
890
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:06,563
We say we respect General Hodges...
891
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,406
and believed him the first time
we spoke with him.
892
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,127
ABC is reaching out
to two of our examiners.
893
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,211
Emily Will and Linda James. They say
they never authenticated the memos.
894
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,966
Of course they didn't.
895
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,730
- Why?
- They...
896
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,251
They... They couldn't.
897
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,403
Well, because they're copies.
898
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,888
There's no original ink or paper
to, you know, test.
899
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,368
No one can say with 100 percent
certainty they're real or forgeries.
900
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,650
- That's why they can attack us.
- Except on the Internet, they are certain...
901
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,049
- Those are lousy wannabe analysts.
- We get lousy analysts of our own.
902
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:46,562
Our story was about whether Bush's
connections got him into the Guard...
903
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,041
and covered for him
when he missed commitments.
904
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,884
Research we found backs that up.
905
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,721
The documents, they were a small part.
They were not the point of the story.
906
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,810
It doesn't matter what the point
of the story was. We have to...
907
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,008
- They do not get to do this.
- Do what?
908
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,603
They do not get to smack us
just for asking a fucking question.
909
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,848
Monday morning...
910
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,561
I want analysts backing us up.
911
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,051
Let's go.
912
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,849
- Hey.
- Hey.
913
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,206
When did you get in?
914
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,764
I was worried there might be cameras at
the airport. Didn't want Robbie to see that.
915
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,804
God, what are you doing in here?
916
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,325
- Working.
- Why don't you take a break?
917
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,648
I'll go get dressed, we can take a walk.
918
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,890
No, I don't need to take a fucking walk.
I wanna sit here and do this, okay?
919
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,564
This... Okay.
920
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,524
I'm sorry.
921
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,049
- It's okay.
- No, it's not.
922
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,484
It's just... No matter what I say,
no matter what I do, I'm gonna get hit.
923
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,370
This....
924
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,729
This is not that.
925
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,687
When my dad would start in on me,
I would think:
926
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,524
"I am not gonna cry.
927
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,643
I am not gonna ask him to stop.
928
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,043
I'm not gonna give him the satisfaction
of seeing how much it hurts."
929
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,850
And he would just go in harder.
930
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,728
And I would think,
"Someday, I am gonna fight you."
931
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,331
And I never did.
932
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,524
Now.
933
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,888
You have to fight now.
934
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,725
Everything that's in those documents
that people are saying can't be done...
935
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,362
as you said, 32 years ago,
is just totally false.
936
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,201
Not true. Like I said,
proportional spacing was available.
937
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,404
Superscripts was available
as a custom feature.
938
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,491
Go back to the beginning of the list.
I think that's useful, don't you, Roger?
939
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,009
Word's come down from Andrew.
940
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,929
They wanna talk to your source.
941
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,484
Well, what if my source
doesn't wanna talk to them?
942
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,125
Then you'll convince him.
943
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,921
You're good at convincing people
to do things, aren't you, Mary?
944
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,844
I just want you to know how important
your support has been...
945
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,604
throughout this entire process.
946
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,565
Call your fucking source, Mary.
947
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,050
Now...
948
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:38,920
it's bad.
949
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,202
- You said he wouldn't have to.
- I know, just...
950
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,921
You'd verify the documents
and he wouldn't have to do anything else.
951
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,930
Well, it didn't work out that way, did it?
952
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,330
Oh, I'm sorry, Nicki. I'm just...
I'm ti... I'm just tired.
953
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,004
Bill did nothing wrong.
954
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,611
No one's saying he did.
955
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,485
I just need to get him on the phone
with my boss...
956
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,364
and tell him what he told me.
957
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,811
It would mean a lot to Dan.
958
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,888
Would you, please?
959
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,608
Bill, this is Andrew Heyward,
I'm the president of CBS News.
960
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,881
Is Dan there?
961
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,730
I'm here, colonel.
962
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,281
Well, I heard Hodges turned tail on you.
963
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,960
All these guys run from it.
964
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,970
You know I got health problems.
965
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,165
I had heard that, which is why I don't
wanna take up too much of your time.
966
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,284
I was wondering if you could fill me in
on a few things.
967
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:39,567
Shoot.
968
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,445
Well, how you came to be in possession
of the documents.
969
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,246
You told Mary it was from a man
named George Conn?
970
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,331
Well, she was bugging me so much
about it, I had to tell her something.
971
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,689
So that's not accurate?
972
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,123
- No, sir, it is not.
- Fucking....
973
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,324
Would you mind telling us
what really happened?
974
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,363
I got a call in March from a guy...
975
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,847
who said a woman named Lucy Ramirez...
976
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,963
wanted to get in contact with me.
977
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,801
He told me to call the Houston
Holiday Inn between 7 and 10...
978
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,241
and ask for a specific room...
979
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,124
so I did.
980
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,369
This woman told me
she was supposed to be a go-between...
981
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,047
a person to deliver
a package of documents to me.
982
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,846
And I was supposed to copy
the documents...
983
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,250
and then burn the originals, which
were also copies, and the envelope.
984
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,882
- Bullshit.
- Destroy the DNA evidence...
985
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,168
of where they come from, you see?
986
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,771
Yeah, of course.
987
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,486
So she says, "When are you gonna be
in Houston next?
988
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,610
I tell her, "We're coming to
the livestock show in a few weeks."
989
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,689
We sell Simmental cattle.
990
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,527
The show is an excellent way
to advertise our bull semen.
991
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,680
So the first day at the show,
a dark-skinned fella comes up...
992
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,451
and hands me an envelope and walks away.
993
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,210
Inside are those memos.
994
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,487
I burned the rest like he said.
995
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:00,841
Done and done.
996
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,890
And was this the same man
who talked to you on the phone?
997
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,330
No idea. Maybe.
998
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,650
And you didn't tell Mary
all this before because....
999
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,407
Well, I... I said I'd keep it quiet.
1000
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,082
Mary did a good job on this.
Don't judge her too harshly.
1001
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,282
Thanks, Bill.
1002
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,126
Well, Bill, this is....
1003
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,729
This is pretty amazing stuff.
1004
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,922
I wonder if you'd be willing to come down
and sit and talk about it for us.
1005
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,805
Help clear the air for everyone.
1006
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,924
I don't know. What do you think, Dan?
1007
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,968
I think they can't hit us any harder
than they already are, colonel.
1008
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,280
I'd go on the record and tell the truth.
1009
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,249
Be done with it.
1010
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,131
Okay.
1011
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,769
My office will make
the necessary arrangements.
1012
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,480
- Thank you for your time.
- Goodbye.
1013
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,402
- We need him on the air soon. Betsy.
- Yep.
1014
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,287
Mary, will you hang back a sec?
1015
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,448
With Burkett, there needs to be
a line of questioning about his motives.
1016
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,446
His political leanings, his views
on the president, why he lied.
1017
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,769
People will cover how we cover this.
We need to inoculate ourselves.
1018
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,685
Thou shalt always protect the company.
1019
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,362
I want Dan to survive this.
1020
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,964
Why wouldn't he survive this?
1021
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,368
If Dan feels like this
is corporate positioning, he won't do it.
1022
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,523
He won't for me.
1023
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,883
He will for you.
1024
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,770
He's on oxygen, so....
1025
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,247
- The vultures are here.
- Oh, Jesus.
1026
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,004
Dan! Dan!
1027
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,725
- Mary, comment?
- Excuse us, folks.
1028
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,001
Over here. Right here.
1029
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,006
- Excuse us. Pardon me, ma'am.
- Dan, a comment, please.
1030
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,406
- Excuse me.
- Dan!
1031
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:33,931
- Excuse us.
- Dan!
1032
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,930
You broadcasted those fake memos.
You feel duped?
1033
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,130
Can you confirm the memos were typed
on a word processor?
1034
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,322
How would you feel
about betraying the people?
1035
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,726
- Just drive.
- Mary!
1036
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,924
Who the fuck are you people?
1037
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:50,801
You know anybody?
1038
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,851
Yeah, if you could just see if you can
stop it, okay? Just get them to pull it.
1039
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,849
- Colonel.
- Yeah. All right. Bye.
1040
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,044
- Where are the Burketts?
- Upstairs, getting ready.
1041
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:01,885
Dan?
1042
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,202
We need to ask why he lied to us, okay?
1043
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,528
We need to make sure we get that.
1044
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,364
I just wanted to come say hello
before we get things going.
1045
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,086
Oh, thank you, Dan. I appreciate that.
1046
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,203
- How do you do, ma'am?
- Hello there.
1047
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,961
Now, look, these things are fairly easy.
We're just gonna sit and talk.
1048
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,321
- Okay.
- Okay.
1049
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,326
Now, I will ask you about why you misled
us. I don't want you to be surprised.
1050
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,602
No, I was expecting that.
1051
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,724
- I'm happy to set the record straight.
- Great.
1052
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:41,211
Now, if you need to stop, need a glass of
water or anything, that's just fine. Okay?
1053
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,131
Okay, if you'll excuse me,
I'm gonna get my war paint on.
1054
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,721
That's the worst part of this job,
makeup.
1055
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,129
The sound's ready when you are.
1056
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,525
It's gonna be fine, Nicki. Okay?
1057
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:57,801
Yep.
1058
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,970
But you told us a different story.
1059
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,170
To protect the people
who gave me the documents.
1060
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,283
Did they ask you to do this?
1061
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,642
They wanted me to burn everything.
1062
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,450
They didn't want people to know
that they were the source on this.
1063
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,802
This man and this mystery woman.
1064
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,686
That's right.
Can I please have some water?
1065
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,848
Oh, of course.
1066
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,524
We need a better bite on this.
1067
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:30,169
So maybe instead of, "Did they ask you
to do this?" say, "Did they ask you to lie?"
1068
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,125
Yeah.
1069
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,967
Yeah. Okay.
1070
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,124
Now, we're gonna go back for a moment.
1071
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,367
Okay.
1072
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:50,045
This man and this mystery woman,
did they ask you to lie to us?
1073
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,802
They didn't want me to say
how I got the documents.
1074
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,650
I see.
1075
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,640
- I see. So that's why you misled us?
- Yes.
1076
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,084
Your producer was pushing me
to find out where I got the memos from.
1077
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,405
I see.
1078
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,524
So then, that's why you lied to us?
1079
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,605
Yes.
1080
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,649
And I know it caused some...
1081
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,211
Some problems.
1082
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:22,890
Excuse me.
1083
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,885
- Whenever you're ready.
- Yeah.
1084
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,730
Okay.
1085
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,929
You said you knew that these memos
would cause a problem?
1086
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,011
I knew it did,
but I didn't know it at the time.
1087
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,841
I see. Now, again...
1088
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,880
why didn't you tell us the truth
when you gave us those memos?
1089
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,330
To protect people, Dan.
1090
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,285
People who were trying to tell the truth
about what really happened back then.
1091
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,051
And do you believe those documents
are telling the truth?
1092
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,804
Yes. Yes, I do.
1093
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,881
I see.I see, so...
1094
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,440
- We already have that.
- I need to make sure we...
1095
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,967
No, we've got it. I'm moving on.
1096
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,325
He's a good guy, you know.
1097
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,602
You think I enjoyed that?
1098
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,888
We should cut something for the news...
1099
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,566
get it out immediately. Andrew agrees.
1100
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,085
F.E.A.
1101
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,725
You know, you guys and Dan always
say that. What the hell does it mean?
1102
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,567
It's open.
1103
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,210
Excuse me.
1104
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,327
How's Bill?
1105
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,729
Oh, don't you dare ask how Bill is.
1106
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,851
Bill is sick. He's a sick man.
You don't give a damn about him.
1107
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,609
You just spent two hours
trying to destroy him.
1108
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,280
You made him crawl on camera.
1109
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:58,404
You made him say again and again
that he lied.
1110
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,604
And that still wasn't enough for you.
You wanted more.
1111
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,491
You wanted to blame him
for all the things you did wrong...
1112
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,290
putting this story together.
1113
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,927
You wanna wrap it in a neat package,
say "It's Bill Burkett's fault."
1114
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,248
Well, it's not, and you know it.
1115
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:14,488
You promised when
we came here to do this...
1116
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,566
that we would get a fair shake,
and we got nothing from you but lies.
1117
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,525
- Nicki...
- You may think I am some stupid hick...
1118
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,927
who doesn't know a damn thing...
1119
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,010
and you're so smart and such a big shot.
1120
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,565
But I keep my promises...
1121
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,286
and I don't destroy people
to protect myself.
1122
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:34,962
I don't destroy people
and humiliate them...
1123
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:39,451
and then pretend I give a goddamn
about how they are.
1124
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:44,490
To answer your question,
Bill is not good.
1125
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,927
But then, you knew that already.
1126
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,760
We need to talk.
1127
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,571
What are the chances you have
something alcoholic in there?
1128
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,409
Better than average.
1129
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,922
How long have we known each other?
1130
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,885
Oh, Jesus, is it that bad?
1131
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,446
They're gonna start an investigation.
1132
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,369
And CBS wants to appoint
an independent panel...
1133
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,291
to take a look at how the story
was put together.
1134
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,802
And I'm gonna announce it.
1135
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:03,970
Tomorrow.
1136
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,801
I'm gonna apologize for the story,
on air.
1137
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,964
Andrew asked you to apologize?
1138
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,368
He didn't ask.
1139
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,410
- Dan, that's... It's surrender.
- Ever since Burkett changed his story...
1140
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,883
Andrew feels that CBS
can't afford the risk to its reputation...
1141
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,445
Oh, God. He knew.
1142
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,683
Even before we went down there.
Just wanted to get Burkett on tape.
1143
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,683
Mary, you gotta promise me something.
1144
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,931
Stop worrying about me.
1145
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,844
Yeah, well, that's not gonna happen.
1146
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,361
You gotta protect yourself now.
1147
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:44,764
We all do.
1148
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,162
Thank you for the drink.
1149
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,607
Now, news about CBS News...
1150
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,122
and the questions surrounding
documents we aired on this broadcast...
1151
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,688
and on the Wednesday edition
of 60 Minutes on September the 8th.
1152
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,003
The documents purported to show
George W. Bush received...
1153
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:22,564
preferential treatment during his years
in the Texas Air National Guard.
1154
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,287
At the time,
CBS News and this reporter...
1155
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,131
fully believed the documents
were genuine.
1156
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,006
Tonight, after further investigation...
1157
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,568
we can no longer vouch
for their authenticity.
1158
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,246
I'm sorry this was your first story here.
1159
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,970
Well, I was thinking next week...
1160
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,171
we just have Dan shoot the president.
1161
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,641
Cause a lot less drama.
1162
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,083
Hey... Hey, Mary, USA Today wants
to know if you put Burkett in touch...
1163
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,250
with the Kerry campaign
in exchange for documents.
1164
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,767
I know what this is about. Josh,
do you remember when I told you...
1165
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,050
Burkett wanted to give the Kerry
campaign advice on the Swift Boat stuff?
1166
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,168
Remember, I wanted
to do a bullshit check...
1167
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,840
after he said he spoke with Howard Dean.
1168
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,681
And you said that I could contact
the Kerry people to check.
1169
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,360
Then Burkett wanted me
to give him his phone number...
1170
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,762
and you said I could, so....
1171
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,850
So... So I did. Do you...
1172
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,729
Do you not remember any of this?
1173
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,051
I must not have been clear.
1174
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:46,080
You must have misunderstood
what it was you could do.
1175
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,886
Oh, Jesus Christ, this is....
1176
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:52,603
This is unbelievable. I mean,
what the fuck else is gonna happen?
1177
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,962
- Be... Betsy...
- No.
1178
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,046
You know what, Mary?
Maybe it's best if you just went home.
1179
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,849
The failure of CBS News...
1180
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,761
to properly, fully scrutinize
the documents and their source...
1181
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,887
led to our airing the documents
when we should have not done so.
1182
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:34,207
It was a mistake.
CBS News deeply regrets it.
1183
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:39,850
Also, I want to say,
personally and directly, I am sorry.
1184
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,969
CBS has hired the firm of Kirkpatrick
& Lockhart Nicholson Graham...
1185
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,606
to conduct a review panel.
1186
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,924
You paper-trailed them.
1187
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,887
Of course.
1188
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,051
They're a big firm, got about a thousand
lawyers headquartered in Seattle.
1189
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,050
They specialize
in internal investigations.
1190
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,370
They're the same ones that Bush brought
in last year to rip apart WorldCom.
1191
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:04,971
We're as bad as them?
1192
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,851
- Oh, it gets worse.
- The panel...
1193
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,528
will be co-chaired by K & L partner
Richard Thornburgh.
1194
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,167
He's the former governor
of Pennsylvania, first appointed...
1195
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,567
as a U.S. attorney under Richard Nixon.
1196
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,321
Ran for Congress twice.
Defeated both times by Democrats.
1197
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,603
His second campaign
was run by Karl Rove.
1198
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,446
- Yup.
- But the crown jewel in his resume...
1199
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,366
is the time served
as U.S. attorney general from '88 to '91
1200
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,002
under former president George H.W. Bush.
1201
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,009
Jesus.
1202
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,247
Who goes in first?
1203
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,728
First Dan, then me...
1204
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,050
then Lucy, the colonel, then you.
1205
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:49,520
You're the grand finale.
1206
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,006
And why? Why is that?
1207
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,971
Because they wanna have
as much as they can on you...
1208
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,328
when they sit you down in that chair.
1209
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,129
Holy shit.
1210
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,244
Yeah, I'm sorry.
She's not speaking to reporters.
1211
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,844
- It's Heyward.
- If they put someone else on, hang up.
1212
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,564
They can't fire you if they
don't have a witness on the line.
1213
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,207
- Thanks for the pep talk. Andrew.
- Mary.
1214
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:21,728
We've hired a private detective
to go back over everything.
1215
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,289
I need you to hand over your notes,
your e-mails, everything.
1216
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:28,245
Listen, I was thinking,
if we could find the typewriter...
1217
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:30,727
Stop working on the story.
1218
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,729
Well, all work on the Bush-Guard story
has officially ceased.
1219
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,484
I can't imagine why.
1220
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,242
Hey, what are you looking at, buddy?
1221
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:52,010
The men with the cameras.
1222
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,321
Are they friends of yours?
1223
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:07,931
No.
1224
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,281
Take him upstairs.
1225
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,251
In other news,
CBS' internal investigation...
1226
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:19,445
into their story on George W Bush's
National Guard service begins today...
1227
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,689
with the review panel
convening at Black Rock.
1228
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,123
I left my wallet in a cab.
I'm supposed to be in front of the panel.
1229
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:32,446
You can't be here.
1230
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,604
- Excuse me?
- You're not allowed in the building.
1231
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,531
I'm not allowed in the building
according to who?
1232
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,769
Management. You have to go, now.
1233
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,090
Okay, do you understand
what's happening here?
1234
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,766
I understand you're leaving.
1235
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,006
Our... Your parent company
is currently lobbying...
1236
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,722
a Republican-controlled Congress
for deregulation and tax breaks...
1237
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,561
that could potentially save them
hundreds of millions of dollars.
1238
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,167
And we just aired a report that
could cost those same Republicans...
1239
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,210
- ...the presidency.
- Security to the 10th floor now.
1240
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,366
You think Viacom might need
the administration on their side?
1241
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,689
You think they might be desperate
to make it up to him right now?
1242
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,601
Make up for CBS running stories on
Abu Ghraib, the president, and Vietnam...
1243
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,327
and all the other shit that isn't part
of your scheduled programming?
1244
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,724
Of course everyone wants it to disappear.
There's a fucking election at stake!
1245
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,931
You're supposed to question everything.
That's your job.
1246
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,130
We are supposed to question everything,
and, what, you won't even question this?
1247
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,361
- Are you done?
- Am I done?
1248
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,847
Know when the FCC
repealed cross-ownership laws...
1249
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,726
a single company could own 45 percent
of the national market share?
1250
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,845
Forty-five percent
of the national market share.
1251
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,407
People fucking flipped.
They lost their shit.
1252
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,410
They actually sat down
and wrote their local congressmen.
1253
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,285
So in the 2003 appropriations bill,
guess what...
1254
01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:59,562
Congress overturned it.
1255
01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:03,489
Hooray for democracy, right?
1256
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,001
Nope. The president wouldn't sign it.
1257
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,761
Bush threatened to veto the bill unless
a compromise was found at 39 percent.
1258
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,007
And why 39 percent?
1259
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,881
That's the exact percent Viacom wouldn't
have to sell off any of their stations.
1260
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,845
The president of the United States
was ready to take down...
1261
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,642
the entire federal budget
so that Viacom wouldn't lose any money!
1262
01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:31,084
You're right.
1263
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,649
Yeah, we're... We're all evil.
1264
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,042
And you're the... You're the...
1265
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,129
plucky, misunderstood hero.
1266
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,963
It's not that you guys fucked up a story.
No, no, it's... it's...
1267
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,771
It's a conspiracy, right?
1268
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,401
They're gonna screw you too, you know.
1269
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,485
Hey, I never got to ask you.
1270
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,729
Why did you get into journalism?
1271
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,163
Curiosity.
1272
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,205
That's it?
1273
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,569
That's everything.
1274
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,968
Why'd you get into it?
1275
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,047
You.
1276
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,965
Mr. Rather, the panel is ready for you.
1277
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:59,125
It's even worse than we thought.
They asked if you bullied staff or sources.
1278
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,011
If you physically intimidated people
to get what you want.
1279
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,367
I hope you told them
I beat the shit out of you.
1280
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,882
Mary, they... it's...
This isn't a joke, okay?
1281
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,208
They asked about your politics.
1282
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:14,445
The deck is stacked, okay?
The game's rigged. Between this...
1283
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,281
talk radio and your father,
it's a fucking lynching.
1284
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,240
What about my father?
1285
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,210
Nothing. I... Don't... It's... Forget it.
1286
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,368
What about my father, Mike?
1287
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,042
Look, I'm sorry, I thought you knew.
1288
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,245
I'm ashamed of what my daughter
has become.
1289
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:36,441
You are?
1290
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,848
She's a typical liberal.
1291
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,207
She went into journalism
with an ax to grind...
1292
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,045
and that was to promote
radical feminism.
1293
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,762
So would you say
this is a pattern of hers?
1294
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,206
Oh, sure.
1295
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,966
You know, when I heard
this was a 60 Minutes story...
1296
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,283
I figured she would be
the producer of the show.
1297
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:57,847
She and that Dan Rather
have been working on this...
1298
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,210
ever since Bush was elected.
She should really be looking at George...
1299
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:14,726
Hello?
1300
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,207
You can't talk to the press anymore,
Don.
1301
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,522
- Who is this?
- You know who this is.
1302
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,523
Just for once in your life, be decent.
1303
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,563
I'm expressing my opinion.
1304
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,286
I thought you reporters
were all about that.
1305
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:29,444
Okay, well,
if you don't stop talking to the press...
1306
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,211
I'll fly up there myself
and break your fucking arms.
1307
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,010
- How about that?
- Is that him?
1308
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,691
- Here, let me talk to him.
- Mar.
1309
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,564
- Mark, just give me the phone.
- Mar.
1310
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,643
Just give me the phone, Mark.
1311
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,480
- Daddy?
- Yes.
1312
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:52,727
Daddy, please stop.
1313
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:58,171
Well, since you asked, I will.
1314
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,447
I can't anymore.
1315
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,963
- Yes, you can.
- No. I don't want to.
1316
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,369
They can have my career. I don't care.
1317
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,168
God, I never should have asked
the question.
1318
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,044
So, what, they're right, you're wrong?
1319
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,402
Guess so.
1320
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,649
And what about Dan?
1321
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,651
That's not fair.
1322
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,246
"It's a shame
what that woman did to Dan Rather."
1323
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:58,044
- That's what they're saying.
- Don't.
1324
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,046
"How he's going to go down?
Well, it's just a disgrace."
1325
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,571
And Robert'll get to see you quit,
that'll be good for him.
1326
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,085
Oh, fuck you.
1327
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,044
Listen to me. Listen.
1328
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,481
You gotta make your case
to the panel, honey.
1329
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,330
You have to fight.
1330
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:15,881
- Even if the system's rigged?
- The system is rigged.
1331
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,082
It always has been. You know that.
1332
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,210
You still have to tell them
what happened.
1333
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,090
Why?
1334
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,047
Because that's what we do.
1335
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:50,240
So do you believe me?
1336
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,200
Do you believe I did my job'?
1337
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,127
- I told you it doesn't matter what I believe.
- It does to me.
1338
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,208
If you'd like someone else
to represent you...
1339
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,647
Why don't you just tell me
why I shouldn't?
1340
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,884
- What do you want out of this?
- Excuse me?
1341
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,805
Do you wanna get into a debate
about journalism with them...
1342
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,282
- ...or do you wanna keep your job?
- I can't do both?
1343
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,881
Not at this point, no.
1344
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,041
You're the primary breadwinner,
is that correct?
1345
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,805
Yes.
1346
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,406
And your son is 7.
1347
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,963
This isn't a trial, this is a hunt.
1348
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,561
This is about assignation of blame,
who is at fault.
1349
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,165
Because somebody has to be.
1350
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,721
Debate that with them, and you're done.
1351
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,207
You have one chance here.
1352
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:46,364
Among all the conservative lawyers
on that panel...
1353
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,091
there is one former journalist
co-chairing it.
1354
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,801
Lou Boccardi, the former head
of the Associated Press.
1355
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,487
He's the one man who can
maybe understand what happened.
1356
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:01,004
You convince him,
maybe he can turn the others.
1357
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,761
But if you antagonize them...
1358
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,561
if you bait them, if you fight them...
1359
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,006
you will lose.
1360
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,248
You're fucking hired.
1361
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,926
You're going to cooperate in every way.
1362
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,650
Follow every request and instruction.
1363
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,404
There is no standard here.
1364
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,804
No books full of journalistic laws,
no written codes.
1365
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,923
There is just opinion.
1366
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,726
And we have to sway it.
1367
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:54,724
That's Thornburgh.
1368
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,611
- Which one's the journalist?
- He's just there.
1369
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:06,608
Ms. Mapes, thanks for coming in.
1370
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,242
I'm Larry Lanpher. I'm lead council
along with Mike Missal here.
1371
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:11,765
Pleasure.
1372
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,849
I notice there's no stenographer.
1373
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,247
Well, this is an internal investigation.
1374
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,244
We're just gonna take
some notes as we go along.
1375
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,808
So there'll be no official record?
1376
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,164
It's fine.
1377
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,723
Would you like to take
a bathroom break before we begin?
1378
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,803
- I'm fine.
- You sure?
1379
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:31,121
I'm not that delicate.
1380
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,085
- I'd like one.
- Okay.
1381
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,129
Start again in two minutes, everyone.
1382
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,963
I want you to stay calm in there.
1383
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,691
- Don't I look calm?
- Not even a little.
1384
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,721
Now, they're gonna try
to catch you off balance.
1385
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,366
When they ask you a question, answer it.
1386
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,127
Tell them what time it is,
not how to build a clock.
1387
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,328
- But...
- Don't fight.
1388
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,845
Okay?
1389
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:06,884
Okay.
1390
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:08,407
Don't fight.
1391
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,121
I'd like to talk a little bit
about language.
1392
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,409
Absolutely.
1393
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,649
This is a printout of e-mails
sent back and forth by your group...
1394
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,131
during the investigation.
1395
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,290
In this one to Mike Smith,
what did the two of you mean...
1396
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:37,650
when you referred
to a piece of "tasty brisket"?
1397
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,888
That referred to a piece of information
Mike uncovered...
1398
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,089
working on a documentary
for the Germans.
1399
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,200
A piece of information
against the president?
1400
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:55,205
I think specifically, it referred to Bush
losing his nerve while flying.
1401
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:58,967
Which you did not mention
in the report you aired on 60 Minutes.
1402
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,521
I didn't think we had it nailed down.
1403
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,205
Would it be accurate to say...
1404
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,569
you were looking for
anything negative about the president?
1405
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,485
I'd say it's accurate we were
looking for any information...
1406
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,166
on his time in the Guard
that hadn't come to light.
1407
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,402
And that's what made it tasty?
1408
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,530
Not because it reflected poorly
on the president?
1409
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:22,129
It was tasty because
it had the potential to be newsworthy.
1410
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,363
Look, Mike and I are friends,
so we use shorthand.
1411
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,210
Sarcasm, jokes. You know.
1412
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,482
Is that common in your industry?
1413
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:30,887
I suppose.
1414
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,840
When dealing with matters as serious
as this, it's common to make jokes?
1415
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,045
I can assure you,
we take our work very, very seriously.
1416
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,730
I also wanted to ask you
about this e-mail...
1417
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:50,489
from Roger Charles where he says
he feels better about the documents...
1418
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,529
because of their formatting.
1419
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,763
Colonel Charles originally thought
the documents were fake?
1420
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:57,605
I don't believe so.
1421
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,567
Then... Then... Then why would
he say he feels better?
1422
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,128
Because it seemed that
what our source was telling us was true.
1423
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:11,605
I have to disagree. Even the subject line
in the e-mail is "I feel better"...
1424
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,491
with three exclamation points.
1425
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,211
It seems Colonel Charles
initially had doubts.
1426
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:23,125
I think you'd have to ask
Colonel Charles.
1427
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:33,163
But also, I would say that he was coming
from the place of not being sure...
1428
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,211
if the memos were real or not, and then
becoming confident that they were.
1429
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:38,970
Really?
1430
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,127
Forgive me for saying, but your testimony
so far doesn't bear that out.
1431
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,770
- How so?
- Excuse me.
1432
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,843
This isn't testimony, remember?
1433
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,601
If it was impossible
to authenticate the memos...
1434
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,446
doesn't it stand to reason that you
initially assumed the memos were real...
1435
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,968
- ...rather than the other way around?
- I wouldn't say that.
1436
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:58,805
Well, what would you say?
1437
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,689
It seems you assumed the memos
were real from the outset...
1438
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,089
and you looked to make sure
that nothing disproved that.
1439
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:11,411
Essentially, you took the position that the
president was guilty until proven innocent.
1440
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,851
We took several steps
to vet these memos.
1441
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:16,320
Such as?
1442
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:18,406
- Well...
- There were only...
1443
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,682
two signatures,
only two sets of initials.
1444
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,451
Hardly enough comparison
for a handwriting match.
1445
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,047
And you said yourself that no carbon
or ink tests could be performed.
1446
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,926
In fact, two of the four analysts you
hired said they had strong reservations...
1447
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,650
about the memos' authenticity.
1448
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,805
Much of the formatting and terminology
used is consistent with the period...
1449
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,365
- ...as is...
- That's debatable.
1450
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,410
...consistent with the period,
as is the content of the memos...
1451
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:45,201
which was verified by several sources,
including those close to Killian.
1452
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,364
Then what about this?
1453
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,810
"OETR"?
1454
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,562
Is this one of the terminologies
that's consistent with the period?
1455
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,201
I believe so.
1456
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,285
- What does that stand for?
- Officer Effectiveness Training Report.
1457
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:07,331
Actually, the correct acronym is OER.
1458
01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:11,201
Officer Effectiveness Report. No T.
1459
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,607
Isn't it true that "Officer Effectiveness
Training Report" doesn't appear...
1460
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,446
anywhere on any official document,
and this is a phrase that you created...
1461
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,968
to explain this incorrect abbreviation
in your memos?
1462
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,646
- That is not true.
- It isn't?
1463
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,606
- I would not do something like that.
- Then prove it.
1464
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,404
Official document, top of the page.
1465
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:55,400
Tab 21.
1466
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,161
- Mike?
- Of course.
1467
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,404
I see that.
1468
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,449
I'm sorry, my mistake.
1469
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:25,283
Clearly, you did well.
1470
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,808
They're gonna regroup,
call you back in next month.
1471
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,291
Next month?
1472
01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:34,411
They've decided to delay announcing
the panel's findings till after the election.
1473
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,042
Don't look so glum.
Just keep your head down.
1474
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,645
You'll make it out of this.
1475
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,688
I'm looking forward to serving
this country for four more years.
1476
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,486
I wanna thank you for
your hard work in the campaign.
1477
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:55,009
I told you that the other day and you
probably thought I was seeking votes.
1478
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,690
But now that you voted,
I really meant it.
1479
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,008
[appreciate the hard work
of the press corps.
1480
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,607
We all put in long hours. You're away
from your families for a long period.
1481
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,127
But the country's better off
when we have...
1482
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,647
a vigorous and free press
covering our elections.
1483
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,405
And thanks for your work.
1484
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,167
Without over-pandering,
I'll answer a few questions.
1485
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:17,691
Hunt?
1486
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,207
Mr. President. Thank you.
1487
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:24,763
As you look at your second term, how
much is the war in Iraq going to cost?
1488
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:28,845
Do you intend to send more troops
or bring troops home?
1489
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,321
And in the Middle East more broadly...
1490
01:37:31,480 --> 01:37:35,201
do you agree with Tony Blair
that revitalizing the Middle East...
1491
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:40,730
peace process is the single most
pressing political issue facing the world?
1492
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,088
Now that I've got
the will of the people...
1493
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:47,211
I'm going to start enforcing
the one-question rule.
1494
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:49,006
That was three questions.
1495
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,528
I'll start with Tony Blair's comments.
1496
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,769
I agree with him that the Middle East
peace is a very...
1497
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:07,607
Hello?
1498
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:13,521
Mary, it's Dan plus three.
1499
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,287
Well, I'm working on
a Chardonnay Xanax cocktail...
1500
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:19,681
if it makes you feel any better.
1501
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,447
Did you know that 60 Minutes
was the first news program...
1502
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,523
to ever make money?
1503
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,687
Before that, all news divisions
operated at a financial loss.
1504
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,528
You know, when the government
gave the networks the airwaves...
1505
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,445
it was with the stipulation that...
1506
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,326
they'd be used in some capacity
for the public good.
1507
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,324
And that... That was the news.
1508
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,000
They... They made their money
elsewhere on the schedule.
1509
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,443
But reporting the news was a duty.
It was...
1510
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:52,961
It was a trust.
1511
01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:58,001
You know when Don Hewitt
started 60 Minutes, it was in 1968...
1512
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,164
it built to enormous ratings.
God, it was...
1513
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,328
God, it was wonderful.
1514
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:08,281
I mean, people were really
watching the news. I mean, they cared.
1515
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,485
And, God, we figured out
a way to give it to them.
1516
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,563
I was there, Mary.
1517
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:18,723
I was there the day they figured out
that news could make money.
1518
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,410
After a while it dawned on them,
"How come the evening news...
1519
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,921
isn't a profit center too?
1520
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,209
Why aren't the morning shows
earning more?"
1521
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:35,441
If you interview Survivor contestants
instead of survivors of the genocide...
1522
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,001
your ad rates go up.
1523
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:45,329
Pretty soon we won't even run down our
own stories because it's too expensive.
1524
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:46,891
We'll just...
1525
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:53,047
We'll just pay someone else to do it,
then we'll read them on the air for show.
1526
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,290
It was a public trust once.
1527
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,287
I swear to you it was.
1528
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,762
How you doing, Dan?
1529
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,729
I'm stepping down as anchor.
1530
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,286
When?
1531
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,683
After inauguration.
1532
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,528
Oh, Dan.
1533
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:31,565
You didn't cause this, Mary.
1534
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,123
Well, you're a shitty liar,
you know that?
1535
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,570
Why didn't you ask me?
1536
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,408
Because God knows everybody else did
when the shit hit the fan.
1537
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,523
Why didn't you?
1538
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:49,724
Ask you what?
1539
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:53,123
Why didn't you ask me
if the documents were real?
1540
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,447
Because I knew I didn't need to.
1541
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:01,447
Hey.
1542
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,604
When you go back in there,
you hold your head up, you understand?
1543
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:07,850
Yes, Dan.
1544
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:10,842
Okay. F.E.A.
1545
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,408
F.E.A.
1546
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,603
You're doing great.
1547
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:54,801
Another half hour, and you're done.
1548
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,566
What does that mean?
1549
01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:06,206
Fuck 'em all.
1550
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,004
Well, I'm glad we have clarification
on that.
1551
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,687
- Good.
- Well, if there's nothing else...
1552
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:20,087
Thank you, gentlemen, for the day.
1553
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:26,927
Aren't you gonna ask me
about my politics?
1554
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:30,130
Excuse me?
1555
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,564
You asked other people what I believe,
so aren't you gonna ask me?
1556
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:36,527
What are you doing?
1557
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,842
Well, wouldn't you say most of the people
you work with consider you a liberal?
1558
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,680
Do you mean, "Am I now
or have I ever been a liberal?"
1559
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,010
It's a legitimate question.
1560
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:03,641
Is it?
1561
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,285
Well, you brought it up.
1562
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,290
No, you did, when you asked
all of my co-workers.
1563
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:10,801
So I'll tell you.
1564
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,368
I don't believe in labels. I think
most people have a mixture of views...
1565
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,284
That's not what we're talking about.
1566
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,488
Then what are you talking about, Larry?
1567
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,843
We are talking about you bringing
your politics into your reporting.
1568
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,765
- I did nothing of the kind.
- Nothing? Really?
1569
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:27,764
Ls that why when Barnes told you
he got Bush into the Guard...
1570
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,649
you believed him without question?
1571
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:33,327
That when Bill Burkett, an outspoken
Bush critic and admitted liar...
1572
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,491
brought you memos, you assumed
their authenticity and didn't source them?
1573
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,526
That when not one but two
of the four document examiners...
1574
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,643
expressed doubts the memos were real...
1575
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,962
you pushed that aside
and rushed this on air?
1576
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:49,044
Or why you personally contacted
the John Kerry campaign...
1577
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,210
on behalf of Bill Burkett,
a man who has dedicated himself...
1578
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:54,362
to smearing the president?
1579
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:55,846
Tell me, Mary.
1580
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:59,965
Where exactly does politics
not enter into this?
1581
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,325
Or are you just that bad at your job?
1582
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:06,811
Do you know what it would take
to fake these memos?
1583
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,247
- Mary...
- No, this is important.
1584
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,961
It would require the forger
to have an in-depth knowledge...
1585
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:17,330
of the 1971 Air Force manual,
including rules...
1586
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,966
and regulations and abbreviations.
1587
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:22,771
He'd have to know
Bush's official record front to back...
1588
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,366
to make sure none of the memos
conflicted with it.
1589
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,683
He'd have to know all the players
in the Texas Air National Guard...
1590
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,401
at the time... Not just their names,
but their attitudes, their opinions...
1591
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,608
including how
they related to one another.
1592
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,809
He'd have to know Colonel Killian
kept personal memos like this...
1593
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,809
for himself in the first place.
1594
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,606
He'd have to know
how Killian felt at the time...
1595
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,970
particularly about his superiors
and then First Lieutenant Bush.
1596
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:50,761
He would have to know
or learn all of this...
1597
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,970
in order to fool us
as you assume he did.
1598
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,565
Now...
1599
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,680
do you really think that a man...
1600
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,844
who takes this kind of time
and precision...
1601
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,368
then goes and types these up
on Microsoft Word?
1602
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:19,169
Our story was about whether Bush
fulfilled his service.
1603
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,244
Nobody wants to talk about that.
They wanna talk about fonts...
1604
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,402
and forgeries and conspiracy theories.
1605
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,485
Because that's what people do
these days if they don't like a story.
1606
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,369
They point and scream.
1607
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,126
They question your politics,
your objectivity. Hell...
1608
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:34,520
your basic humanity.
1609
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:38,321
And they hope to God
the truth gets lost in the scrum.
1610
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,244
And when it is finally over...
1611
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,483
and they have kicked
and shouted so loud...
1612
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,962
we can't even remember
what the point was....
1613
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:50,771
But you didn't prove it.
1614
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:57,209
You didn't prove Ben Barnes
got the president into the Guard.
1615
01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:00,086
You didn't prove the memos are real.
1616
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:03,568
The burden of proof is on you.
1617
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,082
By that standard, The Times would
never have run the Pentagon Papers.
1618
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,322
The Post wouldn't have listened
to Deep Throat...
1619
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:13,724
- Ben Barnes is hardly Deep Throat.
- He's confessed to abusing his power...
1620
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,565
to keep some of the richest,
privileged sons of Texas...
1621
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,047
from getting their asses
blown off in Vietnam.
1622
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:20,804
Ms. Mapes.
1623
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,086
Don't you think it's possible,
just possible...
1624
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:26,768
that some of those fine, young...
1625
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,361
"privileged men, as you call them...
1626
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:35,289
got into the National Guard
on their own merit?
1627
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:48,608
No, sir. No, I do not.
1628
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,490
You had to do it, didn't you?
1629
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:13,723
In the immortal words of Popeye,
"I am what I am."
1630
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,888
Well, I would have gone with
"To thine own self be true"...
1631
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:19,929
but Popeye works.
1632
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:23,329
They'll have their findings in a few weeks.
I'll call you when I hear.
1633
01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:26,723
All right. Thanks.
1634
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:31,444
Hey, Mary.
1635
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:34,849
I believe you.
1636
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:51,408
But I think he needs a helmet.
Have you got a helmet?
1637
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:56,409
- A helmet?
- He needs a helmet.
1638
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,291
- Oh, he hasn't got a head.
- Dang it.
1639
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,727
Can you find a head?
1640
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:05,290
No.
1641
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:11,688
- Unless you want to chop his head...
- Chop his head off? Maybe.
1642
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,050
Hello?
1643
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,682
Mary, the report is out
and it's very bad.
1644
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:26,568
I'm putting Jonathan Anschultz
on the line.
1645
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,768
- Jonathan, can you hear me?
- Yeah.
1646
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,328
Mary, as I said, the report's bad.
You're being terminated.
1647
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:37,761
It's not something I would've chosen
to do under the circumstances, but....
1648
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:37,645
Hippie scum.
1649
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:40,682
Jarhead fuck.
1650
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:45,925
If you ever need a reference...
1651
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:47,611
What, you can...
1652
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,411
tell them how we destroyed
modern journalism together?
1653
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:59,688
I'll see you around.
1654
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:09,691
We've shared a lot in the 24 years
we've been meeting here each evening.
1655
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:15,286
And before I say good night,
this night, I need to say thank you.
1656
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:19,691
Thank you to the thousands of
wonderful professionals at CBS News...
1657
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,604
past and present...
1658
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:25,361
with whom it's been
my honor to work over these years.
1659
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,610
And a deeply felt thanks to all of you...
1660
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,526
who have let us into your homes
night after night.
1661
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:38,482
It has been a privilege,
and one never taken lightly.
1662
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:44,690
To a nation still nursing a broken heart
for what happened here in 2001
1663
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,611
and especially those
who found themselves closest...
1664
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,802
to the events of September the 11th.
1665
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:56,047
To our soldiers, our sailors, our airmen
and Marines in dangerous places.
1666
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:00,009
And to those who have endured
the tsunami.
1667
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:03,004
And to all who have suffered
natural disasters...
1668
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:06,164
and who must find the will to rebuild.
1669
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:11,009
To the oppressed and to those
whose lot it is to struggle...
1670
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:14,921
in financial hardship
or in failing health.
1671
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:17,885
To my fellow journalists...
1672
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:22,769
in places where reporting the truth
means risking all.
1673
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:26,290
And to each of you...
1674
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:28,765
courage.
1675
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,362
For the CBS Evening News,
Dan Rather reporting.
1676
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:36,450
Good night.
1677
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:16,088
My God.
1678
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,169
You wanna go for a walk?
1679
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:22,810
Yeah.
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