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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:22,065 --> 00:00:24,763 And then in terms of national security, 4 00:00:25,634 --> 00:00:27,592 are there things you could say now... 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,508 that perhaps you couldn't say then, 6 00:00:31,248 --> 00:00:34,904 about impending national security issues 7 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:38,603 and world-conflict scenario here? 8 00:00:39,082 --> 00:00:42,868 Is there a world conflict in terms of like, World War III? 9 00:00:43,739 --> 00:00:46,089 -Well, I mean... 10 00:00:47,264 --> 00:00:52,356 That scenario does not sound improbable to me. 11 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:55,707 Reporter 1: Just yesterday, the UN Secretary General warned... 12 00:00:55,707 --> 00:00:57,144 Reporter 2: ...target the current social 13 00:00:57,144 --> 00:00:59,233 environmental vulnerabilities 14 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:00,930 need to be implemented... 15 00:01:05,761 --> 00:01:07,763 Reporter 3: ...on the brink of an all-out civil war right now. 16 00:01:07,763 --> 00:01:09,591 Reporter 4: China is deploying troops 17 00:01:09,591 --> 00:01:12,550 to its first overseas military base in Djibouti. 18 00:01:30,307 --> 00:01:33,615 Reporter 5: The importance of our food supply, and security 19 00:01:33,615 --> 00:01:35,530 and safety cannot be underestimated. 20 00:02:12,349 --> 00:02:13,916 I've covered stuff in the past 21 00:02:13,916 --> 00:02:16,048 that people told me I should be concerned about. 22 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:17,789 You know, that I should be watching my back. 23 00:02:19,835 --> 00:02:22,707 I did a story that exposed corrupt bankers 24 00:02:22,707 --> 00:02:25,362 that resulted in people losing millions of dollars 25 00:02:25,362 --> 00:02:27,016 and hating my guts. 26 00:02:30,498 --> 00:02:31,542 There she is. 27 00:02:32,108 --> 00:02:34,502 I've gotten troves of secret information 28 00:02:34,502 --> 00:02:36,852 from withinside of Facebook that showed how employees 29 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,898 talked about knowingly duping children out of money. 30 00:02:39,898 --> 00:02:41,770 I'm gonna actually cut this. 31 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:43,511 Goodbye, internet. 32 00:02:44,381 --> 00:02:46,862 I have reported in Macau, 33 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:49,256 going out and drinking with the triad bosses. 34 00:02:49,908 --> 00:02:53,085 I was told they would dangle me out of my hotel room balcony 35 00:02:53,085 --> 00:02:54,086 and drop me. 36 00:02:54,913 --> 00:02:56,741 It feels safe. How safe is it? 37 00:02:56,741 --> 00:02:58,090 Pretty safe. 38 00:02:58,090 --> 00:03:01,224 Yeah, this project has kept me up at night 39 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:02,921 more than all of my other 40 00:03:02,921 --> 00:03:04,575 investigative reporting projects combined. 41 00:03:09,406 --> 00:03:11,626 Testing, one, two, three. Testing, one, two, three. 42 00:03:11,626 --> 00:03:13,193 -Uh-huh, that's okay. - Okay. 43 00:03:13,845 --> 00:03:14,716 Great. 44 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,633 Cool, are we ready? 45 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:21,418 All right. 46 00:03:22,898 --> 00:03:25,770 Hi, I'm Nate Halverson, a reporter... I'll start over. 47 00:03:26,467 --> 00:03:28,730 Hi, I'm Nate Halverson, an Emmy award-winning reporter 48 00:03:28,730 --> 00:03:31,341 and producer here at the Center for Investigative Reporting. 49 00:03:31,689 --> 00:03:33,517 We're one of... We're the largest... 50 00:03:33,517 --> 00:03:36,041 It's difficult to say when I started on this project, 51 00:03:36,041 --> 00:03:38,479 because this project, sort of, just started as one thing 52 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:39,741 and then just, totally just like, 53 00:03:39,741 --> 00:03:41,264 ate up seven years of my life. 54 00:03:42,831 --> 00:03:44,659 I got a call one day and I was asked 55 00:03:44,659 --> 00:03:47,618 to look at this takeover of Smithfield Foods. 56 00:03:47,923 --> 00:03:49,359 Smithfield agreeing to be acquired 57 00:03:49,359 --> 00:03:51,274 by China's Shuanghui International for... 58 00:03:51,274 --> 00:03:54,016 This was the largest purchase of an American business 59 00:03:54,016 --> 00:03:57,280 by a Chinese company ever, and still is to date. 60 00:03:58,107 --> 00:04:00,414 And so when I started looking at the numbers, 61 00:04:00,805 --> 00:04:03,330 this was effectively one in four American pigs 62 00:04:03,895 --> 00:04:06,985 that the Chinese bought, essentially overnight. 63 00:04:07,334 --> 00:04:09,771 I mean, did you expect that this committee 64 00:04:09,771 --> 00:04:11,686 would hold a hearing on the acquisition? 65 00:04:12,382 --> 00:04:15,733 Uh, I don't know that I contemplated that, no. 66 00:04:15,733 --> 00:04:17,431 Did you realize you were the victim 67 00:04:17,431 --> 00:04:19,128 of a Chinese Communist plot? 68 00:04:21,565 --> 00:04:23,741 Senator, I did not... 69 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:26,353 To this moment, I'm not sure I understand I'm the victim 70 00:04:26,353 --> 00:04:27,919 - of a Communist plot. -And the control of... 71 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:29,269 There was a lot of question 72 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,662 even if the Chinese government was behind it. 73 00:04:31,662 --> 00:04:33,577 And if they were behind it, why? 74 00:04:33,925 --> 00:04:37,842 And I think it's that "why" that was concerning people. 75 00:04:38,103 --> 00:04:39,931 And they wanted to know, you know, 76 00:04:39,931 --> 00:04:41,281 is another country making moves 77 00:04:41,629 --> 00:04:44,284 to control part of the American food supply? 78 00:04:44,632 --> 00:04:46,373 Uh, would you agree that Shuanghui 79 00:04:46,373 --> 00:04:47,461 is a state-controlled company? 80 00:04:47,983 --> 00:04:49,898 No, I would not agree, Senator, 81 00:04:49,898 --> 00:04:51,465 that it is a state-controlled company. 82 00:04:51,465 --> 00:04:52,988 It is... I mean, I think the... 83 00:04:52,988 --> 00:04:55,338 I think that's fairly easy to research. 84 00:04:55,338 --> 00:04:58,254 Larry Pope was the CEO of Smithfield Foods. 85 00:04:58,254 --> 00:05:01,039 He told Congress that he doesn't think the Chinese government 86 00:05:01,039 --> 00:05:02,780 is behind the takeover of his company. 87 00:05:05,827 --> 00:05:06,871 So... 88 00:05:07,263 --> 00:05:08,917 But I went to China. 89 00:05:11,572 --> 00:05:14,792 [in English] I flew to, like, the Nebraska of China. 90 00:05:14,792 --> 00:05:16,533 I mean, I met with the president of Shuanghui. 91 00:05:16,881 --> 00:05:18,840 Welcome to Shuanghui. 92 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:20,450 He gave me a tour of the factory. 93 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:24,236 After that, I flew to Hong Kong 94 00:05:24,236 --> 00:05:26,326 to meet with more of the company's executives. 95 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:30,112 I was given a big, thick book, 96 00:05:30,460 --> 00:05:32,332 um, that very explicitly says, 97 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:35,204 "Do not distribute in the United States." 98 00:05:35,204 --> 00:05:37,511 Um, because it's full of information... 99 00:05:37,511 --> 00:05:38,468 Um... 100 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:40,949 I mean, I took it back to the United States 101 00:05:40,949 --> 00:05:43,168 because it was full of information. 102 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:48,304 Yeah, I mean, 103 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:49,610 when people say "follow the money," 104 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,916 this is, like, literally following the money. 105 00:05:51,916 --> 00:05:55,006 This is getting the book that breaks down every single dollar 106 00:05:55,006 --> 00:05:58,358 of the largest-ever Chinese purchase of an American company. 107 00:06:00,185 --> 00:06:03,363 Buried within this thing is, like, treasure. 108 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,016 A lot of it's really boring, 109 00:06:05,016 --> 00:06:07,367 and then there'll be pure treasure. 110 00:06:10,282 --> 00:06:12,197 And so, I knew that the Bank of China 111 00:06:12,197 --> 00:06:14,417 had arranged the financing of this deal. 112 00:06:14,417 --> 00:06:16,724 And the Bank of China is owned by the Chinese government. 113 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:19,422 It's controlled and run by the Chinese government. 114 00:06:19,727 --> 00:06:22,251 And so I opened up their annual report 115 00:06:22,251 --> 00:06:24,688 and smack dab in there is an entire page 116 00:06:24,688 --> 00:06:27,822 devoted to the takeover of Smithfield Foods. 117 00:06:27,822 --> 00:06:31,478 And it says that it does its, quote, "social responsibility," 118 00:06:31,478 --> 00:06:35,438 and is carrying out the national strategies of the government. 119 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,616 So by the time I sat down with Larry Pope, 120 00:06:40,182 --> 00:06:41,401 I had the goods. 121 00:06:44,273 --> 00:06:46,057 - All right. -Yeah. 122 00:06:46,057 --> 00:06:48,408 -Larry, it is 1:15. -Okay. 123 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:51,149 - I just wanted you to... - Any more questions? 124 00:06:51,149 --> 00:06:53,021 Is there any other burning question I haven't asked? 125 00:06:53,717 --> 00:06:55,240 Can I show you something really quick? 126 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,764 I'm just gonna show you the, uh... 127 00:06:56,764 --> 00:06:58,461 This is the Bank of China document 128 00:06:58,461 --> 00:06:59,723 where they lay this out. 129 00:06:59,723 --> 00:07:01,203 I didn't know they did it in 24 hours. 130 00:07:01,551 --> 00:07:03,466 You can see here, I just mark it. I mean... 131 00:07:03,771 --> 00:07:06,164 They're saying that that transaction 132 00:07:06,164 --> 00:07:09,080 is part of the government's plan and they're supporting it 133 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,821 and it's their social responsibility. 134 00:07:10,821 --> 00:07:13,694 "The Bank performs its social responsibility." 135 00:07:14,259 --> 00:07:16,174 "The Bank spares no efforts 136 00:07:16,174 --> 00:07:18,655 to support Chinese enterprises in their..." Wow. 137 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:27,098 Overnight, Wan Long, the Chairman of WH Group, 138 00:07:27,359 --> 00:07:29,710 picked up the phone, made a call to the Bank of China, 139 00:07:30,014 --> 00:07:31,842 and the next day they had five billion bucks. 140 00:07:32,408 --> 00:07:33,714 One in four American pigs. 141 00:07:33,714 --> 00:07:34,671 All right. 142 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,325 -Thanks so much for the time. - Good luck. 143 00:07:42,331 --> 00:07:44,072 It's just one deal. It was one deal, 144 00:07:45,073 --> 00:07:46,857 I was able to get to the bottom of it. 145 00:07:46,857 --> 00:07:49,120 The Chinese government was behind the deal. 146 00:07:49,381 --> 00:07:50,731 ...the largest Chinese takeover... 147 00:07:50,731 --> 00:07:53,429 You can turn on MSNBC, CNN, 148 00:07:53,864 --> 00:07:55,518 Fox Business News, 149 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:58,478 and you just keep seeing "big food deal, big food deal." 150 00:07:59,217 --> 00:08:00,828 And then all of a sudden, it kind of comes to me, 151 00:08:00,828 --> 00:08:03,526 like, "Wait a minute, what... Are other countries doing this?" 152 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:04,962 That's the scale of it. 153 00:08:04,962 --> 00:08:07,878 A vast leak of thousands of documents 154 00:08:07,878 --> 00:08:10,272 from U.S. embassies and other diplomatic outposts... 155 00:08:10,272 --> 00:08:11,534 So, around this time, 156 00:08:11,534 --> 00:08:13,449 I start digging through WikiLeaks, 157 00:08:13,449 --> 00:08:17,322 which had dumped, like, 200,000 State Department cables online. 158 00:08:19,542 --> 00:08:23,851 I'd just start going through, I mean, there's 818 results. 159 00:08:24,416 --> 00:08:27,507 And I came across this classified cable, 160 00:08:27,942 --> 00:08:30,597 uh, "Food security agriculture getting spotlight." 161 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:35,253 It was basically the Embassy in Riyadh 162 00:08:35,253 --> 00:08:37,517 sending information back to the State Department, 163 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,040 back to the U.S. government, 164 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,390 saying that King Abdullah is telling his companies 165 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:45,002 to go overseas and buy up food and water resources. 166 00:08:46,221 --> 00:08:48,223 The cables, these classified cables 167 00:08:48,223 --> 00:08:52,183 made it really clear this was a national security issue 168 00:08:52,183 --> 00:08:53,576 for Saudi Arabia. 169 00:08:54,098 --> 00:08:55,360 It wasn't just they were concerned 170 00:08:55,752 --> 00:08:57,711 about running out of water, they were running out of water. 171 00:08:58,755 --> 00:09:00,365 So, there was like a time in the '90s 172 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:02,846 when Saudi Arabia was the world's sixth-largest 173 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,239 exporter of wheat. 174 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:07,242 A desert country pumping up its groundwater 175 00:09:07,242 --> 00:09:09,331 to grow wheat and export to other places. 176 00:09:09,723 --> 00:09:11,289 And that didn't last. 177 00:09:11,594 --> 00:09:15,119 Saudi Arabia had drained so much water from their aquifers, 178 00:09:15,119 --> 00:09:18,819 they were nearly gone in 30 years, in a generation. 179 00:09:20,081 --> 00:09:21,648 And so King Abdullah had to say 180 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:23,388 to his companies and to his nation, like, 181 00:09:23,388 --> 00:09:25,739 "We got to go overseas and find our food and water." 182 00:09:26,043 --> 00:09:27,654 And that's the pattern. 183 00:09:28,263 --> 00:09:30,265 That's the pattern we're starting to see. 184 00:09:37,141 --> 00:09:40,536 One of the first things I stumbled upon was that 185 00:09:40,536 --> 00:09:43,495 a Saudi Arabian company had bought 186 00:09:43,495 --> 00:09:48,675 effectively 15 square miles in the middle of nowhere, Arizona. 187 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:50,590 This place, La Paz County. 188 00:09:58,162 --> 00:10:01,296 ...concerned about our basins here in La Paz County 189 00:10:01,296 --> 00:10:04,473 and, um, you know, so I'm grateful 190 00:10:04,473 --> 00:10:06,823 that we're able to keep it on the forefront, 191 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:08,390 let them know that you know what, 192 00:10:08,390 --> 00:10:11,654 we're a small county, but we matter, and stuff like that. 193 00:10:11,654 --> 00:10:14,701 So, anyways, you guys enjoy your margaritas. 194 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:16,659 -Thank you. - Okay, thanks. 195 00:10:17,225 --> 00:10:19,662 I've heard from people, the residents, 196 00:10:19,662 --> 00:10:21,621 that they've gotten so frustrated that they've 197 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:23,187 talked about taking their trucks, 198 00:10:23,187 --> 00:10:25,799 their off-road vehicles, and tearing up fields. 199 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:29,237 I've heard them mention throwing bombs down their wells. 200 00:10:30,891 --> 00:10:32,936 The biggest farm is going to be Fondomonte, 201 00:10:32,936 --> 00:10:34,895 the Saudis, the Saudi Arabians. 202 00:10:34,895 --> 00:10:38,550 Their facility that they have is just huge. 203 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:40,944 It's like their own little world. 204 00:10:41,205 --> 00:10:43,686 This wasn't... I didn't see this here a month ago. 205 00:10:44,295 --> 00:10:46,689 Here you have trucks that are being weighed, 206 00:10:46,689 --> 00:10:48,778 filled up with hay in the back, 207 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:53,914 so they can ship the hay either to China, Saudi Arabia... 208 00:10:54,218 --> 00:10:56,438 I have no idea how many heads of cattle 209 00:10:56,438 --> 00:10:57,874 that they're feeding over there. 210 00:10:58,135 --> 00:10:59,615 All I know is that I've been told 211 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:01,661 that that's what they're using their hay for. 212 00:11:02,183 --> 00:11:05,316 Sucking our water dry in order to grow hay, 213 00:11:05,316 --> 00:11:07,275 so they can ship it overseas back to their country, 214 00:11:07,275 --> 00:11:08,885 so they can feed their cows. 215 00:11:11,018 --> 00:11:13,585 We have the aquifers underneath this, 216 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:16,371 and some of these pumps that they're installing 217 00:11:16,371 --> 00:11:19,069 can pump up to 3,500 gallons per minute. 218 00:11:19,722 --> 00:11:22,203 Millions and millions of gallons of water. 219 00:11:22,769 --> 00:11:24,292 In a lot of these areas in Arizona, 220 00:11:24,292 --> 00:11:26,729 there's no regulation to how much water you can pump. 221 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:30,385 You buy the land, free to pump as much water as you want. 222 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:34,998 So, this big Saudi Arabian dairy company goes to Arizona 223 00:11:34,998 --> 00:11:36,870 and quickly becomes one of the largest 224 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:38,828 water users in the state. 225 00:11:38,828 --> 00:11:41,396 And you know, what's happening is legal. 226 00:11:41,657 --> 00:11:43,746 It's pissing a lot of people off. 227 00:11:43,746 --> 00:11:46,140 But under current law, this is legal. 228 00:11:50,361 --> 00:11:52,059 Yeah, my well went dry. 229 00:11:53,016 --> 00:11:55,715 It drew down because the water's dropping. 230 00:11:57,412 --> 00:12:00,632 There's not enough, you know, rain that could... 231 00:12:01,416 --> 00:12:03,679 replenish it. I mean, this is... 232 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:07,204 You couldn't replenish this in a lifetime, you know. 233 00:12:10,686 --> 00:12:12,732 When did you first notice the water problem? 234 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:15,647 Well, I guess that would have been the day 235 00:12:15,647 --> 00:12:18,259 when the water level went below my pump, 236 00:12:18,259 --> 00:12:22,785 and the pump burned up and melted the casing and... 237 00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:25,614 Yeah, that was a little disappointing. 238 00:12:27,572 --> 00:12:30,314 I think everybody knows the problem, but... 239 00:12:30,967 --> 00:12:32,752 I don't know how to correct it. 240 00:12:33,317 --> 00:12:35,580 I can't pay for a high-powered lawyer. 241 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:37,626 Neither can any of my friends, you know. 242 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:39,541 And what good would it do anyway? 243 00:12:40,368 --> 00:12:43,763 You know, you just take and take and take, 244 00:12:44,589 --> 00:12:46,766 and pretty soon there ain't anything to take. 245 00:12:55,557 --> 00:12:57,689 Because these people are so upset. 246 00:12:58,299 --> 00:13:01,432 So when I say that, I feel her pain, 247 00:13:01,432 --> 00:13:04,479 I feel your pain. I was out all day today 248 00:13:04,479 --> 00:13:07,308 taking a look at the different farms, again. 249 00:13:07,308 --> 00:13:10,137 I want conservation measures put in place 250 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:12,966 so we can all grow as a community, 251 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:16,317 where you guys can stay here and so can they. 252 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:18,667 Man 1: You're saying it's perfectly legal 253 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:20,190 for these people to come in here, 254 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:24,064 drain the aquifer, and the local people 255 00:13:24,064 --> 00:13:27,545 have to redrill their wells that they've lived there for years? 256 00:13:27,545 --> 00:13:29,547 - And you say that's perfectly legal? 257 00:13:29,547 --> 00:13:32,768 Tell us what's going to be done to improve this situation 258 00:13:32,768 --> 00:13:33,987 because it's getting worse. 259 00:13:33,987 --> 00:13:36,598 I know that there's large, large tracks, 260 00:13:36,598 --> 00:13:39,862 miles and miles of green that wasn't there two years ago. 261 00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:41,733 How is that possible? I thought these... 262 00:13:41,733 --> 00:13:43,866 Man 2: ...protections are allowed to we homeowners here? 263 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:45,476 Our wells are running dry. 264 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:47,870 What we want to know is, what are you doing for us? 265 00:13:53,006 --> 00:13:55,095 Nathan Halverson is the first reporter 266 00:13:55,095 --> 00:13:56,966 to break this story in the national press, 267 00:13:56,966 --> 00:13:58,141 and he joins us now live. 268 00:13:58,141 --> 00:14:00,013 Thank you so much for joining us. 269 00:14:00,013 --> 00:14:02,232 - Thanks. -Three, two, one. 270 00:14:02,232 --> 00:14:04,452 In China, here outside of a small... 271 00:14:04,452 --> 00:14:05,888 -Okay, again. - Yeah. 272 00:14:06,193 --> 00:14:09,152 Around me, literally, the dirt underneath my tires is sinking. 273 00:14:09,152 --> 00:14:12,068 What does it mean that you guys have built this brand-new plant? 274 00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:14,157 The wonderful smell of bacon 275 00:14:14,157 --> 00:14:15,811 that pulls you out of bed in the morning. 276 00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:17,900 I was doing all of these pieces, right? 277 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:19,859 And that's it. I got nothing more. Fuck. 278 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:22,209 And I do a story about this thing over here 279 00:14:22,209 --> 00:14:24,167 and this thing here and this thing there. 280 00:14:24,472 --> 00:14:27,431 But I was beginning to connect all of those stories. 281 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,479 We could see that other countries around the world 282 00:14:31,479 --> 00:14:34,874 were growing increasingly worried about food and water. 283 00:14:35,439 --> 00:14:38,442 And their strategies was to buy, purchase, 284 00:14:38,442 --> 00:14:41,576 grab other countries' food and water supplies. 285 00:14:44,448 --> 00:14:45,841 And so I began to think about 286 00:14:45,841 --> 00:14:48,626 how is climate change gonna impact, you know, 287 00:14:48,626 --> 00:14:51,064 how countries grab food and water. 288 00:14:51,499 --> 00:14:54,545 And you know, the geopolitics of food and water. 289 00:14:55,459 --> 00:14:58,245 I mean, I began digging through the Paris Accord stuff, 290 00:14:58,245 --> 00:15:00,682 United Nations reports on climate change. 291 00:15:00,682 --> 00:15:01,770 And what became clear is 292 00:15:02,162 --> 00:15:03,859 it's going to impact countries very differently. 293 00:15:04,729 --> 00:15:06,775 And that's when I stumbled across Russia. 294 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:10,648 The documents showed that Russia's food production 295 00:15:10,648 --> 00:15:12,520 was going to benefit from climate change. 296 00:15:13,608 --> 00:15:17,264 Imagine an area covered in white frost 297 00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:21,224 slowly thawing out, and in its place comes up 298 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:24,097 green crops shooting from the ground, 299 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:27,448 followed by cattle, and sheep, and pigs. 300 00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:32,670 It kind of goes from a desert of cold 301 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:34,324 to Iowa. 302 00:15:37,762 --> 00:15:40,026 So what is Russia gonna do about that? 303 00:15:40,026 --> 00:15:41,505 Well, it turns out 304 00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:42,985 one of the things they're gonna do about it 305 00:15:42,985 --> 00:15:44,508 is import American cowboys. 306 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:55,737 You know, my wife seen an ad on the internet 307 00:15:55,737 --> 00:15:59,523 and as a joke, she thought it'd be funny as hell, 308 00:15:59,523 --> 00:16:01,656 so she put my resume in. 309 00:16:01,656 --> 00:16:05,312 And I was getting ready to watch Sunday football 310 00:16:05,312 --> 00:16:07,618 in Valentine, Nebraska, 311 00:16:07,618 --> 00:16:11,057 and this Skype thing come over the computer, 312 00:16:11,057 --> 00:16:12,406 and I hollered at her, "Honey!" 313 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:14,277 She kind of got panicky and said, 314 00:16:14,277 --> 00:16:16,453 you need to talk to him. It's about a job. 315 00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:17,628 So I answered it, 316 00:16:17,628 --> 00:16:21,328 and 30 minutes later, I was hired. 317 00:16:21,850 --> 00:16:24,244 Pretty much my wife didn't think that was very funny 318 00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:26,507 after all that, you know, 319 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:28,770 because now we're packing up and going to Russia. 320 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,554 Oh, here we go. Here we go. 321 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,470 You guys better give him some air. 322 00:16:35,168 --> 00:16:38,301 Oh, he's tapped out, boys. 323 00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:40,477 They don't have that in Russia. 324 00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:43,263 And they figured if they were gonna do it right, 325 00:16:43,263 --> 00:16:45,308 what they needed was the guy in the cowboy hat 326 00:16:45,308 --> 00:16:46,831 with the chaps on the horse. 327 00:17:28,743 --> 00:17:30,092 Yeah, yeah, we went there. 328 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,659 We went to the Russian rodeo. 329 00:17:31,659 --> 00:17:33,791 Government officials were in the stands. 330 00:17:33,791 --> 00:17:36,533 The head of the cattle companies were there. 331 00:17:36,533 --> 00:17:38,927 It was... It was an amazing spectacle. 332 00:17:39,188 --> 00:17:42,104 ♪ Singer: Now go, walk out the door ♪ 333 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:43,801 ♪ Just turn around now 334 00:17:43,801 --> 00:17:45,586 ♪ 'Cause you're not welcome anymore... ♪ 335 00:17:55,161 --> 00:17:57,076 One of the targets that... 336 00:18:19,185 --> 00:18:21,796 I mean, who would have known that President Putin 337 00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:23,232 knew so much about cattle? 338 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,452 Like, this was a top-down decision. 339 00:18:25,452 --> 00:18:26,627 This came from Putin. 340 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,759 This came from President Putin. 341 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:40,467 When the Soviet Union fell, 342 00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,947 there were shortages across the board. 343 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:46,473 You know, people were hungry 344 00:18:46,473 --> 00:18:48,823 and they started slaughtering their cattle in huge numbers. 345 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:53,610 The number of cattle in Russia plummeted. 346 00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:58,224 And so when Putin took over, he at some point decided 347 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,400 to rebuild that cattle herd. 348 00:19:01,488 --> 00:19:03,968 -And not just to feed Russians, 349 00:19:03,968 --> 00:19:06,841 but to give Russia geopolitical power. 350 00:19:07,537 --> 00:19:08,364 How much? 351 00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:10,323 Well, according to some, 352 00:19:10,323 --> 00:19:11,498 it's gonna give them more strength 353 00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,327 than all their oil reserves and all of their weapons do. 354 00:19:56,978 --> 00:19:59,633 As food and water become more precious, 355 00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:03,245 countries are looking to grab up that resource for themselves. 356 00:20:03,898 --> 00:20:05,508 Whether it's to wield power, 357 00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:08,337 or whether to make sure they're feeding their people. 358 00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:12,080 Yes. Um, the journalist, she's up in Minneapolis. 359 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,257 And so the question is, what countries are doing this? 360 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,738 You know, where are they doing it? 361 00:20:17,738 --> 00:20:19,783 And how are they doing it? 362 00:20:19,783 --> 00:20:20,784 You know. 363 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,744 And is this gonna work out well for the world? 364 00:20:25,746 --> 00:20:27,617 As I began pulling on threads, 365 00:20:28,183 --> 00:20:30,359 one thread and then another thread, 366 00:20:31,447 --> 00:20:34,102 information just kept falling into my lap. 367 00:20:34,537 --> 00:20:36,452 And at some point, I was swimming in it. 368 00:20:36,452 --> 00:20:38,672 And the only way I was gonna be able to parse it through 369 00:20:38,672 --> 00:20:41,588 and tell the big story, I needed a team. 370 00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:48,899 - Hi! -Hey! 371 00:20:48,899 --> 00:20:50,031 - How's it going? -Good. 372 00:20:50,031 --> 00:20:51,467 -Come on in. 373 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:53,077 I was in the Marine Corps Reserves 374 00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:54,644 from 2007 to 2014. 375 00:20:54,644 --> 00:20:58,257 And after that, I was a traveling videographer. 376 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:00,955 And that's where I heard about this project. 377 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:03,784 I saw it was about food security and national security, 378 00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:06,874 and so I was just super interested in that. 379 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:08,789 Being able to get in the dirt and see who are the companies, 380 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:10,617 who are the countries, who are the actors... 381 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,533 It's something that needs to be done. 382 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,448 And if we didn't, that would say more 383 00:21:15,448 --> 00:21:17,798 about us and who we are as journalists and as people, 384 00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:19,713 if we didn't pursue it, if we didn't do 385 00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:22,281 everything in our power to investigate it 386 00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,195 and to bring those truths to light. 387 00:21:25,196 --> 00:21:26,807 And when you say the future is now, 388 00:21:26,807 --> 00:21:28,461 - like, how do you... - The future is food riots. 389 00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:32,334 The future is complete instability because of... 390 00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:35,511 inequities with access to food and water. 391 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,733 All I knew was untitled food and water documentary. 392 00:21:40,386 --> 00:21:43,389 Threatening violence because of water scarcity... 393 00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:45,347 I thought maybe, this is through 394 00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:47,784 the Center for Investigative Reporting, 395 00:21:48,045 --> 00:21:49,656 there might be more to it than that. 396 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,399 - Turns out, there was. 397 00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:55,923 He had me looking into companies 398 00:21:55,923 --> 00:21:58,317 listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, 399 00:21:58,752 --> 00:22:00,275 mercenaries... 400 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:04,235 These shadow worlds that I hadn't operated in before. 401 00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:06,237 This sort of "follow the money." 402 00:22:06,237 --> 00:22:09,458 Very rich and very influential people are preparing. 403 00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:10,981 They're securing their water. 404 00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:13,201 They're securing their access to food for themselves 405 00:22:13,201 --> 00:22:15,029 and their families for generations. 406 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:18,206 I first learned about that when we were looking into attending 407 00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:20,121 the Global Ag conference in New York, 408 00:22:20,121 --> 00:22:24,168 which is essentially all the major agricultural investors 409 00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:27,215 around the world come together in New York 410 00:22:27,607 --> 00:22:30,871 and just essentially talk about how to divide up 411 00:22:30,871 --> 00:22:33,395 some of the last remaining farmland on Earth. 412 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:36,703 As our reporting deepened, 413 00:22:36,703 --> 00:22:38,705 and we're looking all over the world, 414 00:22:39,532 --> 00:22:41,272 we're seeing it's not just China. 415 00:22:41,751 --> 00:22:44,667 It's not just Saudi Arabia. Not just Russia. 416 00:22:44,667 --> 00:22:46,539 It's the United States, too. 417 00:22:50,456 --> 00:22:52,936 Every century is characterized by 418 00:22:52,936 --> 00:22:55,765 a key commodity, an empire commodity. 419 00:22:55,765 --> 00:22:58,377 So in the 1500s, you had spices. 420 00:22:58,377 --> 00:22:59,856 1600s, sugar. 421 00:22:59,856 --> 00:23:03,904 17-1800s, cotton. 1900s, hydrocarbons. 422 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:07,342 And the 2000s and going forward, I think it's really about water. 423 00:23:08,691 --> 00:23:10,998 For instance, if you focus on China, 424 00:23:11,694 --> 00:23:15,176 China does not have enough water to feed its population. 425 00:23:15,959 --> 00:23:19,006 The reason that they are such large food importers 426 00:23:19,006 --> 00:23:22,879 is that they are importing food as a proxy for water. 427 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:28,972 So, our way is basically buying farmland 428 00:23:28,972 --> 00:23:30,757 and we want to make sure 429 00:23:30,757 --> 00:23:33,237 that we're focusing on areas that are water-rich 430 00:23:33,237 --> 00:23:36,763 you know, that can sell crops to areas that are water-poor. 431 00:23:37,328 --> 00:23:41,724 So in 2018, we purchased a farm in southwest Arkansas 432 00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:46,642 that is 25,000 acres in size. And to put that in perspective, 433 00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:49,602 that is close to two times the size of Manhattan. 434 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:55,042 Look, so a property of this size is enough to feed 435 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:57,261 the corn consumption of Hong Kong 436 00:23:57,261 --> 00:23:58,349 for two-and-a-half years. 437 00:24:03,311 --> 00:24:06,270 Our guys in New York, the way I see it, 438 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:08,272 their job is to raise the money, 439 00:24:08,272 --> 00:24:10,492 manage it for the investment side. 440 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,886 My job is to manage the asset. 441 00:24:13,582 --> 00:24:15,976 Who have you heard that the potential buyers are? 442 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:18,544 That's an Edward question on that. 443 00:24:18,544 --> 00:24:19,849 That's an Edward question. 444 00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:21,938 So, who would lease this farm? 445 00:24:21,938 --> 00:24:25,551 Well, it could be any number of large farmers. 446 00:24:25,551 --> 00:24:28,684 There are some very large farming operations out there. 447 00:24:28,684 --> 00:24:31,470 Or it really could be... 448 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:34,298 It could even go down to food buyers, or... 449 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,564 food security, um, agents of governments. 450 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,088 So this is Wall Street big money 451 00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:43,307 operating all over the United States, 452 00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:45,092 leasing land to foreign countries. 453 00:24:45,092 --> 00:24:47,398 You know, he's one of the original people 454 00:24:47,398 --> 00:24:48,791 that saw this coming. 455 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:52,186 Edward Hargroves manages 750 million dollars 456 00:24:52,186 --> 00:24:53,317 in farmland investments. 457 00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:58,584 The joy about Arizona is in the certain areas 458 00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:00,803 in which you have unrestricted water access. 459 00:25:00,803 --> 00:25:02,588 Arizona is one of the few places 460 00:25:02,588 --> 00:25:04,285 that you can have that privilege. 461 00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:06,592 We have a farm that we've been developing 462 00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:09,203 for the past few years. It's about 5,000 acres, 463 00:25:09,638 --> 00:25:12,598 growing alfalfa that's exported out to the UAE. 464 00:25:13,642 --> 00:25:15,470 Wall Street sees the same thing 465 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:17,298 that these big powerful countries see. 466 00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:21,084 They see increasing demand, decreasing supply. 467 00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:23,522 And what does that mean? That means profits. 468 00:25:35,055 --> 00:25:38,537 You know, certainly, um, I sympathize, 469 00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,583 empathize with, you know, the water scenario. 470 00:25:41,583 --> 00:25:44,891 The fact that, you know, when you get asked questions, 471 00:25:44,891 --> 00:25:48,242 "Are we exporting our water to somewhere else in the world?" 472 00:25:48,242 --> 00:25:51,114 And, you know, of course, ultimately, the answer is yes. 473 00:25:52,115 --> 00:25:56,076 And it's a hard, you know, question to navigate on 474 00:25:56,076 --> 00:25:57,773 you know, what is right and wrong, 475 00:25:57,773 --> 00:26:00,733 the value between commerce and sustainability. 476 00:26:02,386 --> 00:26:05,041 The U.S. is the greatest exporter of food 477 00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:06,216 in the world. 478 00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:08,958 If the U.S. was to stop exporting, 479 00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:10,960 we would have Armageddon. 480 00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,267 Absent our product, 481 00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:15,878 Uh, I mean, I... 482 00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:18,968 You'd have world war. Absolute world war. 483 00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:24,191 The U.S. government regulates 484 00:26:24,191 --> 00:26:27,281 the export of technology very rigorously 485 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:30,632 for national security interests. Okay. 486 00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:33,374 Should our food and water not fall 487 00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:34,854 under similar consideration? 488 00:26:37,073 --> 00:26:40,816 So... is it possible to regulate that? 489 00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:42,775 I have... You know, that's a... 490 00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:47,127 deeply philosophical, academic type of question. 491 00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:49,651 I will tell you as a practical matter, 492 00:26:49,651 --> 00:26:52,175 while the policy experts are debating, 493 00:26:52,175 --> 00:26:53,916 whoever needs the water and has guns 494 00:26:53,916 --> 00:26:55,614 is gonna go after it and get it. 495 00:26:58,051 --> 00:27:01,532 I started addressing the topic of water 496 00:27:01,532 --> 00:27:04,971 as a national security issue in 2011. 497 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,583 The CIA looks ahead 25 and 50 years. 498 00:27:09,105 --> 00:27:12,892 And when they saw that that equation with water 499 00:27:12,892 --> 00:27:15,895 was going to change, and potentially dramatically, 500 00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:19,072 that made them sit up and listen. 501 00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:24,338 It's unusual to see a group 502 00:27:24,338 --> 00:27:27,646 of retired three- and four-star admirals and generals 503 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:31,214 talking about this set of issues. 504 00:27:31,475 --> 00:27:33,521 Between now and 2050, 505 00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:36,176 two billion people are gonna be added to the planet. 506 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:38,744 The demand for food is gonna increase. 507 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:43,270 The amount of arable land is not substantially going to increase. 508 00:27:44,227 --> 00:27:47,143 The lack of arable land, useful land, 509 00:27:47,143 --> 00:27:50,146 is going to be a serious problem for many countries. 510 00:27:50,146 --> 00:27:52,366 We're gonna have over a billion people 511 00:27:52,366 --> 00:27:55,412 living in countries that face absolute water scarcity. 512 00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:57,240 In other words, they're not gonna have enough water 513 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,634 to meet their domestic, their economic, 514 00:27:59,634 --> 00:28:00,853 their environmental needs. 515 00:28:01,375 --> 00:28:04,334 And these countries are gonna be at a greater risk of fragility, 516 00:28:04,334 --> 00:28:05,684 a greater risk of failure. 517 00:28:06,902 --> 00:28:08,687 You know, the famous quote about 518 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,776 nine meals away from chaos, 519 00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:12,908 you know, there's a lot of truth to that. 520 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:15,650 It's all about power, really. 521 00:28:15,911 --> 00:28:20,524 And food is a very obvious and central way to wield power. 522 00:28:21,003 --> 00:28:23,223 I had somebody within the U.S. intelligence community 523 00:28:23,223 --> 00:28:25,791 say to me that the 20th Century had OPEC, 524 00:28:26,182 --> 00:28:28,968 a few countries that controlled the world's oil supply. 525 00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:30,883 In the future, we're gonna have Food-PEC, 526 00:28:30,883 --> 00:28:33,450 a few countries that control the world's food supply. 527 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,626 You know, for years and generations, 528 00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:37,933 wars have been fought over oil. 529 00:28:39,021 --> 00:28:41,720 In a short matter of time, they will be fought over water. 530 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:48,117 There's a process called "red-teaming." 531 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:50,772 And that's, you become like the devil. 532 00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,992 You become the very worst kind of enemy, 533 00:28:52,992 --> 00:28:54,776 you know, that you could possibly imagine. 534 00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:57,039 And this is used in war games. 535 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,695 If I were to red-team the U.S. food system, 536 00:29:01,435 --> 00:29:03,176 to do serious damage, 537 00:29:03,176 --> 00:29:06,222 I'm not gonna have the war they're ready for. 538 00:29:06,222 --> 00:29:08,094 I'm gonna go for something 539 00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:11,227 that really just sits us back on our heels, 540 00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:12,968 and we're out of commission. 541 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:15,579 You know, and I've joked with people, 542 00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:18,017 that would be trashing Netflix, 543 00:29:18,017 --> 00:29:21,194 making your bank account read "00.00," 544 00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:23,762 and messing with our food supply. 545 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:29,855 For example, there is a very defined period of time 546 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:31,857 where those combines have to get out 547 00:29:31,857 --> 00:29:34,163 and work basically 24 hours a day. 548 00:29:35,164 --> 00:29:37,776 And they're smart. 549 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,647 And they're generally unsecured. 550 00:29:39,647 --> 00:29:44,870 It's amazing technology that has not been secured against hacks. 551 00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:48,090 Nobody ever thought about the hacks. 552 00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:52,094 So stop the combines for three weeks. 553 00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:56,577 It would be a disaster for the American economy. 554 00:30:03,236 --> 00:30:04,933 Some of the best military 555 00:30:04,933 --> 00:30:07,283 and intelligence minds, I mean, this is like three-, 556 00:30:07,283 --> 00:30:08,807 four-star generals, 557 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,896 intelligence from Britain and the U.S., 558 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,072 like, experts in their field, 559 00:30:13,072 --> 00:30:15,814 actually come together and do simulations where 560 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,860 two countries are in a massive conflict over water. 561 00:30:19,643 --> 00:30:22,951 We need to take decisive military action. 562 00:30:22,951 --> 00:30:26,563 We show our people that we're prepared to take action 563 00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:28,827 to get them the access to the resources 564 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:29,958 that they deserve. 565 00:30:29,958 --> 00:30:31,830 How do you think that's going to end? 566 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:35,616 Once we have taken over the dam, do we destroy the dam? 567 00:30:35,616 --> 00:30:37,139 Do we... How do you see this ending? 568 00:30:37,139 --> 00:30:39,620 You can't hold a dam on the ground with a helicopter. 569 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:40,882 So how are you gonna hold it? 570 00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:42,405 And how many people are you gonna lose? 571 00:30:42,405 --> 00:30:43,885 Surely you've done that modeling. 572 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:47,280 These are the things I'm hearing from sources, 573 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,934 you know, the experts, 574 00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:50,849 the people in the know on food and water, 575 00:30:51,153 --> 00:30:53,982 that these are the drivers of conflict and war 576 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:55,201 in the future. 577 00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:58,160 The most original human interaction, 578 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,034 in many cases, is the rise to violence. 579 00:31:02,034 --> 00:31:04,775 Reduction in resources that comes from climate change, 580 00:31:04,775 --> 00:31:06,777 comes from changes to the environment, 581 00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:09,868 may, and in our case will, lead to conflict. 582 00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:13,045 Humans will rise to violence if they have nowhere else to go. 583 00:31:13,045 --> 00:31:15,786 If they have nothing else to do, they move to violence, 584 00:31:15,786 --> 00:31:19,529 not always, not inevitably, but very often. 585 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,357 Climate change can mean 586 00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:23,751 that some areas are gonna get not enough water, 587 00:31:23,751 --> 00:31:26,058 and some areas are gonna get too much water. 588 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:29,061 But the net of that is less food. 589 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:30,976 It's less arable land. 590 00:31:31,628 --> 00:31:34,240 And although climate change has been in the conversation, 591 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,720 you know, what's not really being talked about is what 592 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,375 some of the most powerful people are doing with that knowledge. 593 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:41,725 And we're not seeing the global community 594 00:31:41,725 --> 00:31:44,119 taking concrete steps to solve this. 595 00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:46,730 What we're seeing in the background is 596 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:48,689 countries beginning to grab up 597 00:31:48,689 --> 00:31:50,734 those final resources for themselves. 598 00:31:51,126 --> 00:31:53,955 And a lot of this is happening in the shadows, 599 00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:56,218 quietly, away from the public eye. 600 00:32:03,008 --> 00:32:04,400 I mean, we... 601 00:32:05,227 --> 00:32:06,968 Yeah, I mean, you know, 602 00:32:06,968 --> 00:32:09,362 the trove is something that we, you know, 603 00:32:09,362 --> 00:32:11,320 want to make sure that, uh, 604 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,932 that we're being secure about, talking about the trove. 605 00:32:18,501 --> 00:32:19,763 I mean... 606 00:32:20,329 --> 00:32:21,591 I don't know. 607 00:32:22,288 --> 00:32:23,942 I don't know how the other team members felt, 608 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,378 but I think once you realize what the trove is 609 00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:27,380 and what we're working on, I don't know how... 610 00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:30,731 Like, it creates a sense of insecurity 611 00:32:30,731 --> 00:32:31,993 in your life. 612 00:32:42,003 --> 00:32:43,918 -Hey. -Hey! 613 00:32:45,137 --> 00:32:46,399 -How's it going? -Good. 614 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:47,835 - Where are we going? -We're gonna... 615 00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:49,706 - We'll go into Kevin's office. - Okay, cool. 616 00:32:49,706 --> 00:32:51,012 I'll show you, uh... 617 00:32:52,361 --> 00:32:54,624 We have an exciting development. 618 00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:56,191 - Yeah, yeah. - A treasure trove. 619 00:32:56,191 --> 00:32:57,627 Yeah, in there? And that's an air gap? 620 00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:58,933 -It's air-gapped. -Okay. 621 00:32:59,281 --> 00:33:02,067 So, we got it yesterday. We moved it to this machine. 622 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:03,894 But I figured, uh, 623 00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,896 I'll kind of just show you a little bit of what we got, 624 00:33:05,896 --> 00:33:07,768 - and... - Yeah, what is it? 625 00:33:07,768 --> 00:33:08,899 I want to know. 626 00:33:09,422 --> 00:33:11,467 So, uh... Let's, uh... I'm just gonna close the door here. 627 00:33:11,467 --> 00:33:12,599 All right. 628 00:33:14,601 --> 00:33:15,602 So, uh... 629 00:33:16,211 --> 00:33:21,608 a source who I've been talking to for quite some time 630 00:33:22,304 --> 00:33:24,263 finally kicked over... 631 00:33:24,915 --> 00:33:26,700 Did they email, by the way? Okay. 632 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,789 - Hand-delivery. -Okay. 633 00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:31,183 Good. 634 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:34,316 - Thousands and thousands of... - Oh, wow. 635 00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:38,146 Oh, fucking A. All right. 636 00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:40,844 - Thousands of? - Thousands of. 637 00:33:40,844 --> 00:33:43,804 Ten thousand plus. I have to go through it all still, 638 00:33:43,804 --> 00:33:46,372 but we're talking thousands and thousands. 639 00:33:46,372 --> 00:33:50,245 And they include attachments, prospectuses, drafts. 640 00:33:50,245 --> 00:33:51,725 This is the whole company? 641 00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:53,596 It's not one particular person's email? 642 00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:56,121 We have basically the company's emails 643 00:33:56,121 --> 00:33:57,905 - for about a one-year period. - Okay. 644 00:33:57,905 --> 00:33:59,994 - And... - Alright. 645 00:34:00,342 --> 00:34:02,605 What... 646 00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:06,044 Can you tell us how you got it? 647 00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,307 I can talk, uh... 648 00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:11,310 I can describe vaguely how I got this information. 649 00:34:11,745 --> 00:34:14,269 - Um... I... 650 00:34:14,704 --> 00:34:16,228 have a source... 651 00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:19,492 um... who hinted 652 00:34:19,883 --> 00:34:21,798 that they might have something I'd be interested in. 653 00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:25,193 And that started a two-year dance 654 00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:28,718 of me learning a little bit more about what they had, 655 00:34:28,718 --> 00:34:30,546 a little bit more about what they have. 656 00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:33,071 "Oh my God, do they really have that?" 657 00:34:33,375 --> 00:34:35,029 "Holy shit, I think they have that." 658 00:34:35,508 --> 00:34:37,031 "Oh my God, I have it." 659 00:34:37,466 --> 00:34:39,381 And that computer has never been on the internet. 660 00:34:39,381 --> 00:34:41,470 We wiped it clean. 661 00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:44,560 We ripped out, we physically ripped out its WiFi. 662 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,649 And then we put glue in the ethernet. 663 00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:49,217 Okay, all right. Wait, what is this map? 664 00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:50,566 This was just, uh... 665 00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,394 Okay, this is how they're dividing up Africa? 666 00:34:52,394 --> 00:34:53,613 - Mm-hmm. - Okay. 667 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:57,834 And these are their investment opportunities. 668 00:34:57,834 --> 00:35:00,968 So, of course, the usual stuff, minerals and oil. 669 00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:02,883 And smack dab in the middle... 670 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:04,580 food. 671 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,459 So just like a bunch 672 00:35:13,459 --> 00:35:15,983 of really interesting characters, people... 673 00:35:15,983 --> 00:35:17,811 Lots of military folk, lots of veterans. 674 00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:19,160 You know, we've been trying to figure out 675 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,640 who else was grabbing up food and water 676 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,598 and where they were doing it, and that's when 677 00:35:22,598 --> 00:35:23,947 this fell into our lap. 678 00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,560 I don't know what point the team started calling it "the trove," 679 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,170 but it was the way we could just, you know, 680 00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:30,954 securely talk about what we had. 681 00:35:33,305 --> 00:35:35,307 Uh, Nate, can we talk about the trove? 682 00:35:35,307 --> 00:35:36,699 Yeah, go for it. 683 00:35:37,526 --> 00:35:40,442 - All right, um, so, the trove is a collection 684 00:35:40,442 --> 00:35:44,403 of, um, over 10,000 documents that were leaked to Nate 685 00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:45,926 that are the internal communications 686 00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,581 of Erik Prince's Frontier Resource Group. 687 00:35:48,581 --> 00:35:51,540 That is his venture that he started after Blackwater. 688 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:53,542 Members of the Committee, my name is Erik Prince 689 00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:55,240 and I am the Chairman and CEO of the Prince Group 690 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,197 and Blackwater USA. 691 00:35:56,893 --> 00:35:58,417 Blackwater, the secretive private army 692 00:35:58,417 --> 00:36:01,985 that for critics, came to represent the ugliest face 693 00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:03,422 of American power. 694 00:36:03,422 --> 00:36:07,121 Blackwater, we have to question in this hearing whether 695 00:36:07,121 --> 00:36:11,430 it created a shadow military of mercenary forces 696 00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:15,347 that are not accountable to the United States government, 697 00:36:15,347 --> 00:36:16,522 or to anyone else. 698 00:36:16,522 --> 00:36:18,480 He's been accused of getting rich 699 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,222 off of the deeply unpopular war in Iraq, 700 00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,790 but he says his critics have it all wrong. 701 00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,315 Did your people ever kill innocent civilians? 702 00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:28,534 It's entirely possible. 703 00:36:28,882 --> 00:36:31,101 The CIA declined to comment 704 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:33,321 on its association with Prince. 705 00:36:33,321 --> 00:36:35,889 Erik Prince is a super divisive person. 706 00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:40,241 Prince's sister is Betsy DeVos, former Secretary of Education. 707 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:41,590 He's a former Navy SEAL, 708 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:44,811 so he's a highly trained, skilled soldier. 709 00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:48,554 He then hired a bunch of highly skilled, 710 00:36:48,554 --> 00:36:49,816 trained soldiers 711 00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:52,122 to do those things in Iraq and Afghanistan 712 00:36:52,122 --> 00:36:53,254 for the U.S. government 713 00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:55,778 and became a very lucrative and large business. 714 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,303 He then sold that company. 715 00:36:58,303 --> 00:37:00,000 Because you're still in business, yes? 716 00:37:00,435 --> 00:37:02,132 - Not in government contracting business. 717 00:37:02,132 --> 00:37:04,091 You don't work with the United States government anymore? 718 00:37:04,091 --> 00:37:05,571 I sold the whole thing. I'm done. 719 00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:06,702 So what do you do? 720 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:09,749 I started a private-equity fund. We invest in energy, mining, 721 00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:11,881 agriculture kind of things in Africa. 722 00:37:11,881 --> 00:37:13,753 Get the fu-- Okay. Can I tell you something? 723 00:37:24,851 --> 00:37:25,721 Correct. 724 00:37:34,861 --> 00:37:37,777 Oh, yeah, for sure. This is the part of the story that... 725 00:37:39,648 --> 00:37:42,738 increasingly makes us think that 726 00:37:42,738 --> 00:37:44,871 all of our communications are hacked. 727 00:37:46,742 --> 00:37:49,310 Mm-hmm. Because there's no bigger story 728 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:50,964 I can see to work on 729 00:37:50,964 --> 00:37:54,663 that will impact more people than this story. 730 00:37:54,663 --> 00:37:56,491 And there's no story I've worked on 731 00:37:56,491 --> 00:38:00,016 that has this amount of wealth behind it. 732 00:38:00,016 --> 00:38:01,844 And there's no story that I've worked on 733 00:38:01,844 --> 00:38:04,804 that has this amount of, like, mercenary guns behind it. 734 00:38:04,804 --> 00:38:07,067 And there's no story I've worked on that has, like, 735 00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:10,288 this level of spycraft technology behind it. 736 00:38:11,898 --> 00:38:13,247 But... 737 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,164 I'm always gonna operate under the assumption 738 00:38:17,164 --> 00:38:18,339 that I'm hacked. 739 00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:26,260 What's that? Yeah. 740 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:28,523 Sound recorder: 741 00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:29,611 Yeah. 742 00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,310 Sound recorder: 743 00:38:33,223 --> 00:38:34,964 Uh... 744 00:38:38,751 --> 00:38:40,448 Erik Prince started this company 745 00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:42,189 called Frontier Resource Group, 746 00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:45,105 right, to invest in land in Africa. 747 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:47,020 Well, we have the company emails 748 00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:48,151 for about, like, a one-year period 749 00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:50,328 where, you know, we can see that they're looking at 750 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:52,112 possible farm deals in Africa. 751 00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:54,941 And Erik Prince doesn't work for free, right? 752 00:38:54,941 --> 00:38:56,377 I mean, his client list historically 753 00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:57,813 has been some of the most powerful people, 754 00:38:57,813 --> 00:38:59,815 the most powerful governments in the world. 755 00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:03,819 So, we expect these emails are gonna become a playbook for 756 00:39:03,819 --> 00:39:06,474 how people are looking to grab up food and water. 757 00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:10,391 Imagine somebody wants to go and start a farm, 758 00:39:10,391 --> 00:39:11,958 what do you think they do? 759 00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:13,873 They go buy tractors. They go do this. 760 00:39:13,873 --> 00:39:15,918 They do that. They do farmer stuff, farmer stuff. 761 00:39:16,223 --> 00:39:19,095 But what is Erik Prince talking about in these emails? 762 00:39:19,095 --> 00:39:20,836 He's talking about things like 763 00:39:20,836 --> 00:39:25,101 having a robust defensive capability around a farm. 764 00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:28,757 These are the kind of things that Erik Prince is looking at 765 00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:30,629 when he's going into these regions. 766 00:39:30,629 --> 00:39:34,023 ...so it says "area by hectare"? 767 00:39:34,023 --> 00:39:37,244 Why is somebody whose background and expertise 768 00:39:37,244 --> 00:39:39,507 is fighting wars, like, 769 00:39:39,942 --> 00:39:43,816 what value do they bring to the farms, right? Like, why? 770 00:39:44,207 --> 00:39:45,557 I mean, it's like a who's-who. 771 00:39:45,557 --> 00:39:48,211 It's like the MVPs of the mercenary world, right? 772 00:39:48,211 --> 00:39:49,212 Right. 773 00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:51,258 And the answer, from our reporting, 774 00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:55,001 is because this stuff has become the point of conflict. 775 00:39:55,305 --> 00:39:56,437 Hey, Captain Mann. 776 00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:58,787 Sorry, some technical difficulties with Zoom here, 777 00:39:58,787 --> 00:39:59,962 but I think... 778 00:40:00,615 --> 00:40:02,400 I can hear you now. 779 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,054 We were told that mercenaries wouldn't talk to us. 780 00:40:05,054 --> 00:40:06,099 There we go. 781 00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:07,622 - Hi. - Greetings. 782 00:40:07,622 --> 00:40:08,580 Greetings. 783 00:40:09,363 --> 00:40:12,627 But, you know, we were able to get these folks on the line. 784 00:40:12,932 --> 00:40:15,543 We were actually surprised by the candor in which they spoke. 785 00:40:15,543 --> 00:40:17,937 And they warned us how some mercenaries operate 786 00:40:17,937 --> 00:40:20,026 and what some of them are up to now. 787 00:40:20,026 --> 00:40:23,203 The whole story of why Africa 788 00:40:23,203 --> 00:40:24,857 looks the way it does today, 789 00:40:25,248 --> 00:40:28,817 which obviously has a lot to do with the colonial era, 790 00:40:28,817 --> 00:40:32,908 a lot of that has to do with what we would now call PMC. 791 00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:35,520 Private military corporations. 792 00:40:35,824 --> 00:40:39,480 So what happened with the Equatorial Guinea situation? 793 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,830 What were you asked to do, and how did that turn out? 794 00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:48,184 Yeah, I mean, I was asked to, um, overthrow the regime. 795 00:40:49,664 --> 00:40:51,274 Simon Mann is former British military 796 00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:53,625 who was hired to overthrow the government 797 00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:57,193 of Equatorial Guinea. He ended up being arrested 798 00:40:57,193 --> 00:41:00,196 and spending time in an Equatorial Guinea prison. 799 00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:03,373 You know, so we figured if anyone knows 800 00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:05,506 the inner workings of the mercenary world, 801 00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:06,551 it's this guy. 802 00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:08,291 I mean, is that possible? 803 00:41:08,291 --> 00:41:11,207 Is Erik Prince investing in agriculture in Africa? 804 00:41:12,078 --> 00:41:13,122 Yeah, I think he is. 805 00:41:13,514 --> 00:41:15,473 I mean, I know Erik. Erik's a friend of mine. 806 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:21,827 They know that Africa represents this enormous untapped resource. 807 00:41:22,436 --> 00:41:24,525 They also know that it's not for the... 808 00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:26,788 It's not for the faint-hearted. 809 00:41:27,049 --> 00:41:29,399 So if you're gonna go and do stuff in Africa, 810 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:31,358 you need airplanes, you need logistics, 811 00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:32,402 you need trucks. 812 00:41:32,838 --> 00:41:34,492 And you're gonna need security. 813 00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:37,930 Enter Erik. 814 00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:42,325 I think Iraq 815 00:41:42,325 --> 00:41:44,327 glamorized the PMC industry somewhat. 816 00:41:45,285 --> 00:41:48,157 All of a sudden, there were tens of thousands of these people 817 00:41:48,157 --> 00:41:52,074 running around in Iraq as private security consultants. 818 00:41:52,466 --> 00:41:55,382 Big players such as, you know, Erik Prince with Blackwater 819 00:41:55,382 --> 00:41:56,775 is probably the most prominent. 820 00:41:56,775 --> 00:41:58,733 But that day's come and gone. 821 00:41:58,733 --> 00:42:01,301 And the opportunities are not there for people 822 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:03,477 to get those sorts of contracts anymore. 823 00:42:04,086 --> 00:42:07,350 And so I guess the issue is, where are the hotspots? 824 00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:09,483 And most of them are in Africa at the moment. 825 00:42:10,702 --> 00:42:13,531 Africa has 50 to 60 percent 826 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:16,577 of the remaining arable land left in the world 827 00:42:16,577 --> 00:42:18,492 that hasn't been, quote, unquote, "farmed." 828 00:42:18,492 --> 00:42:20,450 That doesn't mean that it's just sitting there 829 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:21,582 without people on it. 830 00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:23,192 It's peopled. People are farming it. 831 00:42:23,192 --> 00:42:24,890 They're farming it for their food, 832 00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:26,935 for their lives, you know, to feed their children. 833 00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:31,157 In a lot of these places, 834 00:42:31,505 --> 00:42:32,985 I mean, these are these people's ancestral lands. 835 00:42:32,985 --> 00:42:34,552 They were born there. Their parents were born there. 836 00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:36,162 Their grandparents were born there. 837 00:42:36,162 --> 00:42:37,424 They don't have deeds. 838 00:42:37,424 --> 00:42:39,687 You don't have deeds to the land you've owned 839 00:42:39,687 --> 00:42:41,428 for, like, time immemorial. 840 00:42:41,733 --> 00:42:43,430 There's always a problem in Africa 841 00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:45,519 where, you know, you don't really have ownership 842 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,434 of land necessarily in the same way 843 00:42:47,782 --> 00:42:50,393 that we would see it. You know, there's no deeds. 844 00:42:50,393 --> 00:42:51,786 There's a village over there. 845 00:42:51,786 --> 00:42:53,440 This is where they graze their cattle. 846 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,442 Well, now you're not gonna be able to graze your cattle. 847 00:42:55,442 --> 00:42:58,097 And maybe this... We're gonna have to move you. 848 00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:01,317 That potentially is a great problem. 849 00:43:01,927 --> 00:43:04,494 And what if there's an uprising? 850 00:43:07,236 --> 00:43:08,194 Well... 851 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,501 That's part of... That's where we come in. 852 00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:13,808 To be a good investor in Africa, 853 00:43:13,808 --> 00:43:16,724 it's not just about having your resources 854 00:43:16,724 --> 00:43:18,900 and you go and buy or lease land. 855 00:43:19,248 --> 00:43:20,815 It is logistics. 856 00:43:21,207 --> 00:43:25,211 You're moving into areas where nobody has gone before. 857 00:43:25,211 --> 00:43:29,824 So you need people who have experience 858 00:43:29,824 --> 00:43:32,174 and no hesitation to use weapons, 859 00:43:32,479 --> 00:43:36,352 who can ensure movement of whatever resources are needed. 860 00:43:36,352 --> 00:43:40,182 And then you need connections with the political elite. 861 00:43:40,182 --> 00:43:42,532 -Okay, let's see. 862 00:43:42,532 --> 00:43:44,360 You still sound okay on our end. 863 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,448 Yeah. 864 00:43:45,884 --> 00:43:48,060 I have a separate microphone here. 865 00:43:49,714 --> 00:43:53,456 I think in areas where there's very weak rule of law 866 00:43:53,456 --> 00:43:57,504 and very little international media attention, 867 00:43:58,113 --> 00:43:59,898 it's a wild, wild west. 868 00:44:01,029 --> 00:44:02,901 Real experts in this field, 869 00:44:03,162 --> 00:44:05,251 you've gotta go around and do things 870 00:44:05,251 --> 00:44:07,906 like make bribes and keep order... 871 00:44:07,906 --> 00:44:09,995 One of the questions I always have is, 872 00:44:09,995 --> 00:44:13,433 why does a community give up their land, right? 873 00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:15,304 And as you're going in through the emails, 874 00:44:15,304 --> 00:44:16,436 there's answers in there. 875 00:44:17,959 --> 00:44:19,657 In the emails they write, 876 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,702 "So, the price for us will be very low." 877 00:44:21,702 --> 00:44:23,399 You know, "It depends how many gifts 878 00:44:23,399 --> 00:44:25,010 we grant the village chief." 879 00:44:26,141 --> 00:44:29,101 And I think you'll always find somebody out there 880 00:44:29,101 --> 00:44:31,059 to give their clients whatever they want, 881 00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:32,626 if the price is right. 882 00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:36,282 Because we know that they focus... 883 00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:38,458 When they're trying to pitch all these banks, 884 00:44:38,458 --> 00:44:40,982 like Credit Suisse and JP Morgan, 885 00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:43,376 they're focusing on Sub-Saharan Africa. 886 00:44:43,376 --> 00:44:44,769 So we know that's where they're looking. 887 00:44:44,769 --> 00:44:46,727 It's like the place is the frontier market. 888 00:44:46,727 --> 00:44:49,338 We can see in the emails back in 2012 889 00:44:49,338 --> 00:44:53,299 that they've charted out what areas have the best water 890 00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:54,561 and the cheapest land. 891 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,824 And in the trove, they make it super clear, 892 00:44:57,607 --> 00:44:58,783 that place is Zambia. 893 00:44:59,784 --> 00:45:02,525 And I've been to Zambia before, in 2017, 894 00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:04,266 on a previous reporting trip. 895 00:45:04,876 --> 00:45:07,269 And so, you know, I reached back out to my contacts. 896 00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:10,533 I set it up for us to go back, so we could see, you know, 897 00:45:10,533 --> 00:45:12,492 what this looks like for the people 898 00:45:12,492 --> 00:45:14,450 who are living in the spaces being grabbed up. 899 00:45:50,443 --> 00:45:51,661 Um... 900 00:45:51,661 --> 00:45:53,141 It's fine. It's okay. 901 00:45:57,711 --> 00:45:58,886 Oh, she wants the... Yeah. 902 00:45:58,886 --> 00:46:00,496 Yeah, the invitation letter. 903 00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:01,584 Officer 1: Mm-hmm. 904 00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:02,847 Okay. So... 905 00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:06,981 Of course, of course. Let me just hand you my... 906 00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:08,853 And you saw, ma'am, 907 00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:10,680 that we have the business visa stamped here. 908 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,812 Officer 1: Yes, I know. 909 00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:15,685 Yeah, they've taken our paperwork 910 00:46:15,685 --> 00:46:17,383 and they've pulled us aside 911 00:46:17,383 --> 00:46:19,254 and are making us stand here 912 00:46:19,254 --> 00:46:21,300 and jump through some extra hoops. 913 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,258 Crew member: I think it's gonna be fun. 914 00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:37,446 Officer 2: 915 00:46:37,446 --> 00:46:38,708 Sorry, what was the question? 916 00:46:38,708 --> 00:46:40,667 Who gave us authority to board? 917 00:46:40,667 --> 00:46:42,234 The Zambian Embassy, yeah. 918 00:46:42,234 --> 00:46:43,452 Officer 2: Let me see your paper. 919 00:46:43,452 --> 00:46:45,150 This is from the Zambian Embassy. 920 00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:46,238 Do you want that? No. 921 00:46:47,021 --> 00:46:48,370 At that point... 922 00:46:49,371 --> 00:46:51,809 this woman took all of our passports. 923 00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:56,509 She escorted us to a room in the back, 924 00:46:57,292 --> 00:47:00,774 which ultimately became, you know, a detention room. 925 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:42,598 On that previous trip to Zambia in 2017, 926 00:47:42,598 --> 00:47:44,513 I had met a human rights attorney, 927 00:47:44,513 --> 00:47:47,821 a guy named Brig, who was helping people 928 00:47:47,821 --> 00:47:49,475 fight back against their land being grabbed. 929 00:48:02,183 --> 00:48:03,968 With essentially nothing, 930 00:48:03,968 --> 00:48:06,666 Brig pushed and shoved and fought his way 931 00:48:06,666 --> 00:48:09,582 into university, and then into law school, 932 00:48:09,582 --> 00:48:11,976 and then ultimately into Georgetown. 933 00:48:12,237 --> 00:48:14,935 And this is a person who could have done anything. 934 00:48:15,196 --> 00:48:16,067 And instead, 935 00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:18,852 he just went back to fight for the people. 936 00:48:21,942 --> 00:48:24,249 On my first trip, Brig had taken me up to Serenje 937 00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:26,773 to meet families, to meet people 938 00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:28,731 that had been kicked off of their land. 939 00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:35,260 What... Can he tell us what happened to his house? 940 00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:57,717 He said this white man 941 00:48:57,717 --> 00:49:00,676 just came with a tractor and said, "Now this is my land." 942 00:49:00,676 --> 00:49:02,069 "You have to move out." 943 00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:03,636 Nobody consulted them, 944 00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:05,507 nobody told them, nobody paid them or... 945 00:49:09,163 --> 00:49:10,991 The only help they received 946 00:49:10,991 --> 00:49:13,472 is this tent from the government. 947 00:49:13,472 --> 00:49:15,126 Since then, there's no one who's helping them. 948 00:49:16,562 --> 00:49:19,434 You can see this is where they live, 949 00:49:19,434 --> 00:49:20,958 this is where they sleep. 950 00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:27,442 So these are the provisions for housing 951 00:49:27,442 --> 00:49:29,096 that were given by the government. 952 00:49:29,923 --> 00:49:31,403 How long ago did this happen? 953 00:49:49,638 --> 00:49:51,379 [in English] She said when they arrived here, 954 00:49:51,379 --> 00:49:54,730 they just slept under a tree with their goods. 955 00:49:59,822 --> 00:50:03,696 As a result of the cold of staying under the tree, 956 00:50:03,696 --> 00:50:05,654 the small child died. 957 00:50:24,978 --> 00:50:28,199 She's saying she's suffering, 958 00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:32,942 she's crying, because she has been subjected to hardship. 959 00:50:37,512 --> 00:50:39,514 She's saying she used to have the house, 960 00:50:39,514 --> 00:50:41,038 now she's sleeping like this. 961 00:50:47,783 --> 00:50:49,959 He's telling her just to wait, 962 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:52,049 that some help is gonna come. 963 00:51:35,048 --> 00:51:36,919 What we're hearing is that these are... 964 00:51:36,919 --> 00:51:38,225 These are white farmers 965 00:51:38,225 --> 00:51:39,444 that are kicking them off their land. 966 00:51:39,444 --> 00:51:42,229 And so I begin to dig into it. 967 00:51:42,577 --> 00:51:45,450 And these guys are backed by LLCs. 968 00:51:45,754 --> 00:51:49,541 But then that LLC in Zambia will be owned by another LLC 969 00:51:49,541 --> 00:51:54,111 that is actually registered in an offshore company 970 00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:57,984 in Mauritius or the BVIs or the Cayman Islands. 971 00:51:57,984 --> 00:51:59,551 And that's a dead end. 972 00:51:59,551 --> 00:52:04,686 It's like a Russian doll of LLCs and LLCs. 973 00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:07,559 And the more we dig, the more it becomes clear, 974 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,256 that could be owned by anybody. 975 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,651 You know, and that's what the trove emails 976 00:52:12,651 --> 00:52:14,174 have begun to show us, 977 00:52:14,174 --> 00:52:16,481 how investors structure these deals 978 00:52:16,481 --> 00:52:18,744 to hide who is behind them. 979 00:52:18,744 --> 00:52:20,224 And what Brig shows us 980 00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:23,096 is the human cost of these hidden deals. 981 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:29,929 [on TV] ...before you begin to take possession of the land 982 00:52:29,929 --> 00:52:32,888 that the Lord, the God of your ancestors... 983 00:52:32,888 --> 00:52:35,195 Is it okay if we answer this phone call, sir? 984 00:52:35,674 --> 00:52:36,588 Officer 3: Come again? 985 00:52:37,197 --> 00:52:38,546 Is it okay if we answer this phone call? 986 00:52:38,546 --> 00:52:39,634 Officer 3: Yeah, it's fine. 987 00:52:39,634 --> 00:52:40,548 Thank you. 988 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,031 So, we'd been sitting in the room for some time, 989 00:52:45,031 --> 00:52:48,643 when one of the crew members pointed out that 990 00:52:48,643 --> 00:52:51,690 there was a piece of paper on a police bulletin board 991 00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:53,605 - right behind my head. 992 00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:55,172 Right there, smack dab on it, 993 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,305 was all of our names and passport numbers. 994 00:52:59,524 --> 00:53:01,439 They were definitely waiting for us. 995 00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:17,890 What's going on now, Nate? 996 00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:43,568 I called people I knew 997 00:53:43,568 --> 00:53:45,396 from U.S. intelligence. 998 00:53:45,657 --> 00:53:50,662 And I called people in Zambia and talked to whoever I could 999 00:53:50,662 --> 00:53:52,272 to try to piece together why it was 1000 00:53:52,272 --> 00:53:54,274 that we were getting kicked out of the country. 1001 00:53:55,188 --> 00:53:57,669 Yeah, hi, Ambassador. How are you doing today? 1002 00:54:00,759 --> 00:54:02,717 I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. 1003 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:11,509 Thank you. Yeah, it was disappointing to get so close. 1004 00:54:11,509 --> 00:54:13,250 We got the paperwork, you know, 1005 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:17,384 Emma specifically got the paperwork that showed... 1006 00:54:17,384 --> 00:54:20,300 I mean, I'm just gonna say it. They basically said 1007 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:21,823 that we were hostile to the state, 1008 00:54:21,823 --> 00:54:23,825 that we were basically enemies of the state. 1009 00:54:23,825 --> 00:54:25,566 ...not given properly. 1010 00:54:25,566 --> 00:54:27,438 I see. We had business visas 1011 00:54:27,438 --> 00:54:29,309 and we also had media credentials. 1012 00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:38,318 But they were the ones that told us we could... 1013 00:54:39,798 --> 00:54:40,842 Okay. 1014 00:54:43,845 --> 00:54:45,499 Okay. Alright, um... 1015 00:54:46,935 --> 00:54:48,981 Thank you, Ambassador, you have a good day. 1016 00:54:58,556 --> 00:55:02,516 Oh, right. Right. 1017 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,612 -So our sources are telling us that 1018 00:55:11,612 --> 00:55:14,702 we got kicked out because of our reporting on food and water, 1019 00:55:15,094 --> 00:55:17,792 and we don't know who pushed the Zambian government 1020 00:55:17,792 --> 00:55:20,317 to kick us out. And we might not ever know. 1021 00:55:21,535 --> 00:55:23,145 And we're still trying to figure out 1022 00:55:23,145 --> 00:55:25,278 who's the big money behind grabbing up, 1023 00:55:25,278 --> 00:55:26,845 you know, land in Africa. 1024 00:55:26,845 --> 00:55:28,803 And we're calling people, 1025 00:55:29,195 --> 00:55:32,329 emailing people, and just getting blocked. 1026 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:35,027 Just... Nobody wants to talk. 1027 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,336 Um, he's a ghost, right. 1028 00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:42,556 I mean, like, I don't think he'll ever talk to us. 1029 00:55:42,556 --> 00:55:45,124 You know, I think, two words to us, he'll speak, 1030 00:55:45,124 --> 00:55:47,387 - "Fuck you, fuck off," right? 1031 00:55:47,387 --> 00:55:50,390 So I think we have to find somebody 1032 00:55:50,782 --> 00:55:54,002 who was there with Frontier Resource Group. 1033 00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:57,745 I think Gregg Smith is actually 1034 00:55:58,006 --> 00:56:01,445 one of the ones that is most likely to talk. 1035 00:56:02,184 --> 00:56:04,230 Gregg Smith is in a lot of emails. 1036 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:07,146 He's somebody with a military background, 1037 00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:09,235 also a finance background. 1038 00:56:09,888 --> 00:56:12,020 This is a guy right at the center of things. 1039 00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:13,848 You know, he came in, he joined them 1040 00:56:13,848 --> 00:56:17,939 in their effort to grab up resources in Africa. 1041 00:56:18,723 --> 00:56:20,420 They were working together. Yeah. 1042 00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:22,466 Erik Prince and Gregg Smith were working together. 1043 00:56:22,988 --> 00:56:24,990 And then, at some point, 1044 00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:27,819 you know, he says he didn't like what Erik Prince was doing. 1045 00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:30,082 Well, would it work for us 1046 00:56:30,082 --> 00:56:31,649 to come out and sit down with you, 1047 00:56:32,301 --> 00:56:33,955 at the end of this month? 1048 00:56:33,955 --> 00:56:36,262 At first, it went really well. He said he would talk to us. 1049 00:56:36,958 --> 00:56:40,179 And then, one day, maybe a week or two 1050 00:56:40,179 --> 00:56:42,007 before we were set to fly out and meet him... 1051 00:56:43,095 --> 00:56:45,445 This is another tweet that came from Gregg Smith 1052 00:56:45,445 --> 00:56:47,186 that said, "Just a heads up to friends and journos 1053 00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:48,317 looking into Erik Prince." 1054 00:56:48,317 --> 00:56:49,928 "The word is Erik is using NSO 1055 00:56:49,928 --> 00:56:52,452 or a similar technology to track a bunch of comms." 1056 00:56:52,452 --> 00:56:54,628 "Might want to look into new devices 1057 00:56:54,628 --> 00:56:56,891 or have yours scrubbed. 2016 all over again." 1058 00:56:56,891 --> 00:56:59,938 And also we see a tweet from Gregg Smith, 1059 00:56:59,938 --> 00:57:02,506 you know, warning journos, journalists, 1060 00:57:02,767 --> 00:57:05,639 that Prince might be trying to hack their phones. 1061 00:57:06,379 --> 00:57:09,251 "Nate, I've decided not to participate in the documentary." 1062 00:57:09,251 --> 00:57:10,949 "Please cancel any plans you have made 1063 00:57:10,949 --> 00:57:12,907 to come out here. Regards, Gregg." 1064 00:57:13,647 --> 00:57:14,996 Doesn't want to be interviewed. 1065 00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:16,911 Why? 1066 00:57:16,911 --> 00:57:18,217 He didn't say. 1067 00:57:18,217 --> 00:57:20,219 He hasn't responded to my messages 1068 00:57:20,219 --> 00:57:22,787 or calls since, so... I don't know. 1069 00:57:22,787 --> 00:57:25,659 I know last time we spoke, you said you weren't interested 1070 00:57:25,659 --> 00:57:27,618 in being in the documentary, and I totally hear that. 1071 00:57:27,618 --> 00:57:28,532 Um... 1072 00:57:30,316 --> 00:57:31,360 Mm-hmm. 1073 00:57:33,537 --> 00:57:36,104 He said, "I trust no one but myself right now." 1074 00:57:39,586 --> 00:57:42,067 What about the admiral in D.C.? 1075 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:44,112 So, he's another potential person 1076 00:57:44,112 --> 00:57:46,332 and I reached out to him last week 1077 00:57:46,332 --> 00:57:48,987 and I sort of, you know, did the, 1078 00:57:48,987 --> 00:57:52,381 "Good evening sir, as a former Marine, I..." 1079 00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:54,253 He said, "I don't have anything to do with them anymore, 1080 00:57:54,253 --> 00:57:55,907 and I won't talk about that." 1081 00:57:55,907 --> 00:57:56,995 So... 1082 00:57:57,517 --> 00:57:59,519 Let's add in Dorian's... 1083 00:58:06,526 --> 00:58:08,180 Automated voice: Your call has been forwarded to 1084 00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:09,529 an automated voice messaging system. 1085 00:58:10,051 --> 00:58:11,531 And I just wanted to make sure 1086 00:58:11,531 --> 00:58:13,533 I give you every opportunity to comment. 1087 00:58:17,145 --> 00:58:18,277 Automated voice: The mailbox is full... 1088 00:58:18,712 --> 00:58:19,931 You know, so I think in any investigation, 1089 00:58:19,931 --> 00:58:21,280 you hit a low point, right, 1090 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,456 where you're swimming in information, 1091 00:58:23,456 --> 00:58:25,153 you're trying to make sense of it. 1092 00:58:26,285 --> 00:58:28,330 In order to tell this story right, 1093 00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:30,811 you need to tell it on this massive global scale. 1094 00:58:30,811 --> 00:58:31,769 That's right. 1095 00:58:32,334 --> 00:58:34,249 - It's all interconnected now. - It's all connected. 1096 00:58:35,033 --> 00:58:36,513 It's like every thread could be a story. 1097 00:58:36,513 --> 00:58:38,645 Every thread could be something potentially, 1098 00:58:38,645 --> 00:58:40,386 if you do enough digging. 1099 00:58:40,386 --> 00:58:42,127 And it's hard to not feel overwhelmed. 1100 00:58:43,998 --> 00:58:45,522 And then in a story like this, 1101 00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:48,133 you're also dealing with the fact that you're witnessing 1102 00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:49,438 the callousness of... 1103 00:58:50,091 --> 00:58:53,181 the way we're seeing people treat other humans. 1104 00:58:53,747 --> 00:58:56,010 Um... It gets to you after a while. 1105 00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:58,273 So here's one of the examples 1106 00:58:58,273 --> 00:59:00,580 of an email I came across from Sean Rump. 1107 00:59:00,580 --> 00:59:01,886 Sean Rump is his right-hand man. 1108 00:59:01,886 --> 00:59:02,887 Yeah, yeah. 1109 00:59:03,235 --> 00:59:04,366 "If you come across some run-over, 1110 00:59:04,366 --> 00:59:06,412 shot, or otherwise fucked-up native..." 1111 00:59:06,412 --> 00:59:08,240 This is hard for me to even say out loud. 1112 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,808 But obviously, I'm reading from this. So... 1113 00:59:10,808 --> 00:59:12,592 "If you come across some run-over, shot, 1114 00:59:12,592 --> 00:59:14,463 or otherwise fucked-up native, say a prayer for them." 1115 00:59:14,463 --> 00:59:17,075 "You don't help injured bleeding people in Africa." 1116 00:59:17,075 --> 00:59:20,818 "AIDS, Hep A, B and C and the myriad of other ailments 1117 00:59:20,818 --> 00:59:23,081 that keep their life expectancy around 42 1118 00:59:23,081 --> 00:59:25,257 is to be avoided at all costs." 1119 00:59:25,257 --> 00:59:26,737 "People die in the Third World." 1120 00:59:26,737 --> 00:59:28,477 "It's Darwin's selection at its most pure." 1121 00:59:31,350 --> 00:59:32,699 It was really upsetting, 1122 00:59:32,699 --> 00:59:35,267 and I think that sort of indicates what they are... 1123 00:59:35,267 --> 00:59:36,181 Yeah, it's infuriating. 1124 00:59:36,921 --> 00:59:38,357 They can't come forward and say, 1125 00:59:38,357 --> 00:59:40,533 "We're going to Africa to build farms to feed Africans." 1126 00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:42,927 Like, you just said you don't give a fuck about Africans. 1127 00:59:55,026 --> 00:59:55,896 David. 1128 00:59:57,028 --> 00:59:57,985 Hello. 1129 00:59:58,464 --> 00:59:59,726 How's it going? 1130 01:00:01,032 --> 01:00:03,904 So, this is the galaxy. 1131 01:00:03,904 --> 01:00:05,427 What we call the galaxy. 1132 01:00:05,427 --> 01:00:07,778 And basically, it is all of the connections 1133 01:00:07,778 --> 01:00:11,477 that we've found so far from looking through the trove. 1134 01:00:11,477 --> 01:00:13,827 David is like the wizard behind the curtain 1135 01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:15,524 that nobody ever sees. 1136 01:00:15,873 --> 01:00:18,484 And so this shows who was communicating 1137 01:00:18,484 --> 01:00:20,312 with who on the emails. 1138 01:00:20,312 --> 01:00:22,531 He took, you know, this trove of emails, 1139 01:00:22,531 --> 01:00:24,185 of Erik Prince's company's emails, 1140 01:00:24,185 --> 01:00:26,013 with all of these attachments 1141 01:00:26,013 --> 01:00:28,102 and worked with the CIR data team 1142 01:00:28,102 --> 01:00:30,496 to, you know, put it all into a database 1143 01:00:30,496 --> 01:00:33,455 that we could search. And then David, on top of that, 1144 01:00:33,455 --> 01:00:36,502 built this incredible visualization tool. 1145 01:00:36,502 --> 01:00:38,809 And that allowed us to build out 1146 01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:40,114 some of these other connections. 1147 01:00:40,114 --> 01:00:42,682 And from this we saw that Erik Prince 1148 01:00:42,682 --> 01:00:46,773 was tied to his company, Frontier Resource Group... 1149 01:00:47,078 --> 01:00:51,256 After months and months, you know, we had a breakthrough. 1150 01:00:52,257 --> 01:00:56,304 Frontier Resource Group, they had a silent partner 1151 01:00:56,304 --> 01:00:58,480 that we, or one of my teammates specifically, 1152 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,700 had that eureka moment, where she was like, 1153 01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:04,225 "I think I've figured out who's secretly backing them." 1154 01:01:04,922 --> 01:01:07,315 Something called RG. I stumbled upon an email, 1155 01:01:07,315 --> 01:01:11,145 where they were saying that it was tied to RG, these initials. 1156 01:01:11,406 --> 01:01:13,408 And that it was something that the boss 1157 01:01:13,408 --> 01:01:14,671 didn't want anybody to talk about. 1158 01:01:15,367 --> 01:01:17,412 So once I started doing some searches, 1159 01:01:17,412 --> 01:01:19,545 I found this email called Royal Group, 1160 01:01:19,545 --> 01:01:20,764 with Sheikh Tahnoon's name in it. 1161 01:01:22,591 --> 01:01:23,941 This is Sheikh Tahnoon. 1162 01:01:25,203 --> 01:01:27,858 Brother of the ruler of the United Arab Emirates. 1163 01:01:27,858 --> 01:01:29,686 A member of the royal family. 1164 01:01:31,122 --> 01:01:33,472 Sheikh Tahnoon was the founder of First Gulf Bank, 1165 01:01:33,472 --> 01:01:34,865 now First Abu Dhabi Bank. 1166 01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:39,957 He is behind ADQ, which is a huge sovereign wealth fund. 1167 01:01:42,655 --> 01:01:44,526 One of the most powerful men in the world. 1168 01:01:45,832 --> 01:01:47,007 That's his backer. 1169 01:01:47,355 --> 01:01:50,532 Runs the national security for the Emirates. 1170 01:01:51,446 --> 01:01:52,839 You know, he's building companies 1171 01:01:52,839 --> 01:01:56,103 to dig into spy tech, intelligence efforts. 1172 01:01:56,625 --> 01:01:58,192 This is a bigger-than-life guy. 1173 01:01:59,193 --> 01:02:00,760 And Sheikh Tahnoon's companies, 1174 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,501 they've gone on a huge buying spree. 1175 01:02:02,849 --> 01:02:05,025 They've bought one of the largest grain traders 1176 01:02:05,025 --> 01:02:06,853 in the world, or a big portion of it. 1177 01:02:07,158 --> 01:02:09,160 And they're buying companies that own food 1178 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,639 and water all over the world. 1179 01:02:11,379 --> 01:02:12,903 When we figured out it was Tahnoon, 1180 01:02:12,903 --> 01:02:16,515 it again was the pattern re-emerging. 1181 01:02:17,298 --> 01:02:19,605 It was another water-stressed country 1182 01:02:19,605 --> 01:02:21,825 that was going to another part of the world 1183 01:02:21,825 --> 01:02:24,218 to grab food and water resources. 1184 01:02:24,218 --> 01:02:26,351 And this time, it wasn't Arizona. 1185 01:02:26,351 --> 01:02:28,483 It was all across Africa. 1186 01:02:29,789 --> 01:02:33,140 The question is, why does Tahnoon need Erik Prince? 1187 01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:34,446 Turn the camera off, man. 1188 01:02:34,881 --> 01:02:36,970 You know, we've reached out to Erik Prince. 1189 01:02:36,970 --> 01:02:38,580 I've gone to his offices in Hong Kong. 1190 01:02:38,580 --> 01:02:40,365 You know, we've reached out to Sheikh Tahnoon, 1191 01:02:40,365 --> 01:02:42,541 and we haven't been able to get anywhere with it. 1192 01:02:42,541 --> 01:02:45,457 But we found somebody who was willing to talk to us. 1193 01:02:45,457 --> 01:02:47,111 Somebody who was on the inside. 1194 01:02:52,203 --> 01:02:54,335 So you're gonna drive through, 1195 01:02:54,335 --> 01:02:55,467 go straight up. 1196 01:02:58,949 --> 01:03:00,341 Look how beautiful. Wow. 1197 01:03:01,386 --> 01:03:03,692 Yeah, it's a pretty nice fucking spread. 1198 01:03:05,172 --> 01:03:07,435 I'm gonna go into business with Erik Prince. 1199 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,570 So this is a souvenir from my special forces friends 1200 01:03:11,570 --> 01:03:13,398 who are working in Syria. 1201 01:03:13,702 --> 01:03:16,009 And I asked him for an ISIS flag. 1202 01:03:16,009 --> 01:03:17,968 Robert Young Pelton is a writer. 1203 01:03:17,968 --> 01:03:19,143 He's an entrepreneur. 1204 01:03:19,665 --> 01:03:22,233 He even has run, you know, intelligence networks in Africa. 1205 01:03:22,233 --> 01:03:24,017 They just loosed off a few artillery shells at us, 1206 01:03:24,017 --> 01:03:25,105 but, uh... 1207 01:03:25,671 --> 01:03:27,325 He shows up in the emails. He's in the emails. 1208 01:03:27,325 --> 01:03:29,588 Him and Erik Prince worked together for years. 1209 01:03:29,588 --> 01:03:31,720 You know, at one point they have a falling out. 1210 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,287 They even at one point sued each other. 1211 01:03:33,287 --> 01:03:35,855 He's written books about the Blackwater guys. 1212 01:03:35,855 --> 01:03:37,944 I mean, he knows this world well. 1213 01:03:38,945 --> 01:03:41,513 It's wrong to be obsessed with Erik Prince 1214 01:03:41,513 --> 01:03:44,733 because it's kind of like, how did he get into the room? 1215 01:03:44,733 --> 01:03:46,213 Like, who led him into the room? 1216 01:03:46,213 --> 01:03:48,259 So you got to remember, the UAE... 1217 01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:50,522 energized Erik Prince. 1218 01:03:51,262 --> 01:03:52,829 So, I've known Erik, I mean... 1219 01:03:54,308 --> 01:03:56,876 ten years, I guess. I've known him more than that. 1220 01:03:56,876 --> 01:03:59,052 And he's gone through different phases. 1221 01:03:59,052 --> 01:04:00,837 He did something very interesting. 1222 01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:04,405 Well, and that is basically, what's the most valuable thing 1223 01:04:04,405 --> 01:04:06,190 to the wealthiest people? 1224 01:04:06,581 --> 01:04:07,844 Security. Right? 1225 01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:12,065 Sheikh Tahnoon is responsible for the security 1226 01:04:12,065 --> 01:04:13,806 and well-being of the kingdom. 1227 01:04:13,806 --> 01:04:16,243 That's a very heavy responsibility to have. 1228 01:04:17,723 --> 01:04:21,901 Erik was hired to help build a mercenary army 1229 01:04:21,901 --> 01:04:23,860 for the Emirati royal family. 1230 01:04:26,688 --> 01:04:28,429 People in the national security sphere, 1231 01:04:28,429 --> 01:04:30,562 like Tahnoon, they know that this is 1232 01:04:30,562 --> 01:04:32,520 a political stability issue. 1233 01:04:33,173 --> 01:04:34,827 Ultimately, what they're controlling 1234 01:04:34,827 --> 01:04:39,179 is not having a bunch of hungry, pissed-off citizens. 1235 01:04:39,658 --> 01:04:42,530 And this is what people tell us over and over again 1236 01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:44,402 is what happened with the Arab Spring. 1237 01:04:46,186 --> 01:04:48,188 This is what popular uprising looks like. 1238 01:04:50,234 --> 01:04:52,410 It appears to be the end for Tunisia's president 1239 01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:54,455 after 23 years in power. 1240 01:04:57,197 --> 01:04:59,808 So the Arab Spring was a key time 1241 01:04:59,808 --> 01:05:03,334 in the last decade for agriculture in general. 1242 01:05:03,334 --> 01:05:05,379 And it was the result of shortages 1243 01:05:05,379 --> 01:05:07,468 of available food supply around the world. 1244 01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:12,386 Reporter 1: Unrest is spreading across the Arab world... 1245 01:05:12,386 --> 01:05:14,084 Reporter 2: Now to the growing unrest in the Middle East. 1246 01:05:14,084 --> 01:05:16,347 Reporter 3: Protests that toppled President Hosni Mubarak 1247 01:05:16,347 --> 01:05:18,653 in Egypt are now ripping through the Middle East, 1248 01:05:18,653 --> 01:05:20,699 with anti-government demonstrations in Bahrain, 1249 01:05:20,699 --> 01:05:23,310 Yemen, and most significantly in Iran. 1250 01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:26,226 Reporter 4: The political fires that burned across North Africa, 1251 01:05:26,226 --> 01:05:28,968 many say, were kindled in Russia last summer. 1252 01:05:29,403 --> 01:05:31,449 Extreme drought triggered wildfires 1253 01:05:31,449 --> 01:05:34,278 and destroyed a third of the country's wheat harvest. 1254 01:05:34,278 --> 01:05:36,976 Russia refused to export the rest of its harvest. 1255 01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:39,805 Markets panicked and food prices shot up. 1256 01:05:40,414 --> 01:05:43,765 When Russia shut down its wheat exports, 1257 01:05:44,027 --> 01:05:46,159 they needed to make sure they had enough grain at home, 1258 01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:48,118 so people wouldn't slaughter their cattle. 1259 01:05:48,118 --> 01:05:50,990 They were protecting Putin's idea 1260 01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:52,949 of building up that cattle herd. 1261 01:05:52,949 --> 01:05:54,907 The cattle industry that they were importing 1262 01:05:54,907 --> 01:05:56,387 American cowboys for. 1263 01:05:56,691 --> 01:05:57,997 And when they did that, 1264 01:05:57,997 --> 01:06:00,826 it sent global grain prices through the roof. 1265 01:06:03,742 --> 01:06:05,613 Meanwhile, the revolution in Egypt 1266 01:06:05,613 --> 01:06:07,876 has sparked a new wave of protests across the region. 1267 01:06:08,616 --> 01:06:10,096 Anytime you talk to somebody 1268 01:06:10,096 --> 01:06:11,924 in the intelligence community, they always say, like, 1269 01:06:11,924 --> 01:06:14,100 "It's never just one thing, right?" 1270 01:06:14,405 --> 01:06:16,581 "It's a combination of things." 1271 01:06:16,581 --> 01:06:19,366 But in this case, our sources are telling us 1272 01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:21,455 that the thing that pushes it over the cliff 1273 01:06:21,934 --> 01:06:23,066 is food prices. 1274 01:06:23,631 --> 01:06:25,111 Food prices spiking. 1275 01:06:25,807 --> 01:06:27,374 All across the Middle East, 1276 01:06:27,374 --> 01:06:29,681 countries saw what happened in the Arab Spring. 1277 01:06:30,203 --> 01:06:32,901 They saw what happened when food prices spiked, 1278 01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:35,339 and they said, "We need to control our food 1279 01:06:35,339 --> 01:06:37,863 if we want to control our political stability." 1280 01:06:39,647 --> 01:06:42,694 So this email is on the last day of the trove, 1281 01:06:42,955 --> 01:06:44,739 September 25th, 2012. 1282 01:06:45,262 --> 01:06:47,786 It says, "He's the fourth richest man in China." 1283 01:06:47,786 --> 01:06:49,135 "We're gonna have dinner together 1284 01:06:49,135 --> 01:06:51,616 at our mutual friend's home in Shenzhen." 1285 01:06:51,616 --> 01:06:53,009 So we had our breakthrough. 1286 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:55,185 We figured out who his financial backer was. 1287 01:06:55,446 --> 01:06:56,751 And at the end of the trove, you know, 1288 01:06:56,751 --> 01:06:58,927 we can't see which of those big farm deals, 1289 01:06:58,927 --> 01:07:00,103 if any, they finalized. 1290 01:07:00,668 --> 01:07:03,193 But we can see that they're going in search of a new client. 1291 01:07:03,193 --> 01:07:06,283 And we follow that path to Hong Kong. 1292 01:07:06,805 --> 01:07:09,068 When we start researching there, 1293 01:07:09,068 --> 01:07:11,027 we found out he's got a new backer. 1294 01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:12,767 China. 1295 01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:16,032 And we're back where the entire investigation started. 1296 01:07:18,469 --> 01:07:19,905 Erik Prince: Frontier Service Group, 1297 01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:21,080 a Hong Kong company, 1298 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,389 will provide fresh capital, know-how. 1299 01:07:25,389 --> 01:07:28,044 And we'll tie it into our logistics expertise. 1300 01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:30,568 We have a significant logistics operation 1301 01:07:30,568 --> 01:07:31,960 that operates from South Africa. 1302 01:07:32,396 --> 01:07:34,354 Well, I think the takeaway here is that 1303 01:07:34,354 --> 01:07:36,400 the world's wealthiest governments 1304 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,054 are turning to Erik Prince 1305 01:07:38,054 --> 01:07:40,578 to help them get into Africa, right, 1306 01:07:40,578 --> 01:07:43,755 to help them use his muscle and know-how 1307 01:07:43,755 --> 01:07:46,497 from working in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars 1308 01:07:46,497 --> 01:07:49,021 to get resources out of Africa. 1309 01:07:49,021 --> 01:07:51,458 And so we started looking into Erik Prince's new company. 1310 01:07:51,458 --> 01:07:53,982 And he's got a new partner, Johnson Ko. 1311 01:07:54,374 --> 01:07:56,028 A well-known Hong Kong financier 1312 01:07:56,289 --> 01:07:58,465 with ties to the Chinese government. 1313 01:07:58,726 --> 01:08:01,816 And around 2014, at the same time when they became partners, 1314 01:08:01,816 --> 01:08:04,515 Johnson Ko had helped create another new company, 1315 01:08:04,515 --> 01:08:05,907 KuangChi Science. 1316 01:08:05,907 --> 01:08:08,214 which had started doing classified research 1317 01:08:08,214 --> 01:08:09,868 for the Chinese government. 1318 01:08:09,868 --> 01:08:11,565 The development of a jetpack 1319 01:08:11,565 --> 01:08:12,958 that based on current testing, 1320 01:08:12,958 --> 01:08:15,569 will have over 30 minutes flight capability 1321 01:08:15,569 --> 01:08:18,224 and an altitude up to 1,000 meters. 1322 01:08:18,224 --> 01:08:21,575 This company, KuangChi Science, bills itself 1323 01:08:21,575 --> 01:08:23,795 as helping within the African market. 1324 01:08:24,143 --> 01:08:27,320 With potential usage spanning search and rescue... 1325 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,541 So Erik Prince's partner was part of a company 1326 01:08:30,541 --> 01:08:32,456 that was designing jetpacks. 1327 01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:35,502 They were billing these things as could be used 1328 01:08:35,502 --> 01:08:36,808 for executive extraction. 1329 01:08:36,808 --> 01:08:41,204 So, if an executive was at a refinery 1330 01:08:41,204 --> 01:08:43,293 or at a big corporate farm, 1331 01:08:43,597 --> 01:08:45,208 and people rose up, 1332 01:08:45,208 --> 01:08:47,993 and there was unrest, and there was an attack, 1333 01:08:47,993 --> 01:08:51,127 you could get into your jetpack and...[whistles] ...get out. 1334 01:08:54,217 --> 01:08:56,044 They're doing all kinds of things. 1335 01:08:56,567 --> 01:08:58,438 They're doing invisibility cloaks. 1336 01:08:59,570 --> 01:09:02,486 It works by bending the light around an object. 1337 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,619 Imagine what that could do for a sniper. 1338 01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:07,317 You know, secret classified work 1339 01:09:07,317 --> 01:09:08,753 for the Chinese military. 1340 01:09:11,756 --> 01:09:13,192 You just got to remember, I started looking 1341 01:09:13,192 --> 01:09:15,847 at food and water. I started looking at pigs, 1342 01:09:15,847 --> 01:09:17,327 if you really want to get down to it. 1343 01:09:18,066 --> 01:09:21,244 Why and how China purchased one in four American pigs. 1344 01:09:21,592 --> 01:09:25,639 How I went from pigs to invisibility cloaks... 1345 01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:30,166 And just following it, I found myself back in China. 1346 01:09:31,776 --> 01:09:34,561 Yeah, and you know, it kind of makes sense. 1347 01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:38,086 Because China is one of the most powerful countries in the world. 1348 01:09:38,609 --> 01:09:41,829 But we know that China, the one thing that they really need... 1349 01:09:42,352 --> 01:09:43,918 food and water resources. 1350 01:09:45,181 --> 01:09:51,143 The truth is, China's economic growth strategy 1351 01:09:51,404 --> 01:09:53,928 is non-sustainable. 1352 01:09:54,712 --> 01:09:58,455 China is running out of water in the north. 1353 01:09:59,412 --> 01:10:02,285 And without water, you can't grow. 1354 01:10:07,551 --> 01:10:09,857 Hongzhou, thank you so much for sitting down 1355 01:10:09,857 --> 01:10:12,208 and talking with us. I appreciate it. 1356 01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:16,212 Can you just say in basic terms what the Great Famine is? 1357 01:11:28,066 --> 01:11:29,633 One thing that I saw in your book 1358 01:11:29,633 --> 01:11:33,332 that I didn't know was that during the Great Famine, 1359 01:11:33,332 --> 01:11:34,768 the U.S. had a... 1360 01:11:34,768 --> 01:11:38,555 When millions of people were starving in China, 1361 01:11:39,033 --> 01:11:41,340 the U.S. had an embargo against China. 1362 01:11:41,819 --> 01:11:44,343 So they wouldn't let food go into China. 1363 01:11:44,343 --> 01:11:45,344 Yes. 1364 01:11:58,052 --> 01:11:58,966 Um... 1365 01:12:23,077 --> 01:12:25,993 The leadership of China remember a period 1366 01:12:25,993 --> 01:12:28,169 of dark, deep deprivation. 1367 01:12:28,605 --> 01:12:30,476 And they don't ever wanna go back there. 1368 01:12:30,476 --> 01:12:32,565 And they know that their political futures 1369 01:12:32,565 --> 01:12:34,132 and the stability of the country 1370 01:12:34,132 --> 01:12:36,743 is based on being able to feed their people. 1371 01:12:36,743 --> 01:12:39,746 It's become part of their five-year plan, 1372 01:12:39,746 --> 01:12:42,619 their national security strategy, 1373 01:12:42,619 --> 01:12:44,708 to get food and water from around the world. 1374 01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,844 And this is what we're seeing. This is the grab. 1375 01:12:51,584 --> 01:12:55,109 A scramble for food and water in the 21st century. 1376 01:12:56,763 --> 01:12:59,070 Slowly, we're seeing a massive consolidation 1377 01:12:59,070 --> 01:13:01,333 of who controls the food and the water in the world. 1378 01:13:05,076 --> 01:13:07,600 If we know that hungry people are unhappy people 1379 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,298 and unhappy people rise up, 1380 01:13:10,734 --> 01:13:12,344 it's kind of a no-brainer to make the connection 1381 01:13:12,344 --> 01:13:13,867 that there might be conflict. 1382 01:13:14,868 --> 01:13:18,219 And this is what we're starting to see, all across Africa. 1383 01:13:18,524 --> 01:13:21,179 People fighting back when their land is taken. 1384 01:13:24,182 --> 01:13:25,705 Just now, we're getting reports from Brig 1385 01:13:25,705 --> 01:13:27,359 that people are rising up. 1386 01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:30,318 That there are these incidents now of conflict 1387 01:13:30,318 --> 01:13:31,885 that are beginning to bubble up. 1388 01:13:34,061 --> 01:13:36,281 People are beginning to push back. 1389 01:13:41,155 --> 01:13:42,374 Tell me what happened here. 1390 01:14:05,571 --> 01:14:07,747 And then we got an update from Brig, 1391 01:14:07,747 --> 01:14:09,270 who had visited his homeland, 1392 01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:11,055 his ancestral land where he grew up. 1393 01:14:11,925 --> 01:14:13,361 And it was happening there, too. 1394 01:15:28,567 --> 01:15:30,090 And they're trying so hard 1395 01:15:30,090 --> 01:15:31,744 to get the world to pay attention 1396 01:15:31,744 --> 01:15:33,964 to what's happening to them. You know? 1397 01:15:33,964 --> 01:15:36,836 They're using their cell phones to document what's happening 1398 01:15:37,707 --> 01:15:40,536 to show the world in real time what's going on. 1399 01:15:44,801 --> 01:15:47,151 We don't always know who the investors were there. 1400 01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:51,111 China, UAE, Saudi Arabia, 1401 01:15:51,111 --> 01:15:53,853 Wall Street, Erik Prince. We don't know. 1402 01:15:54,941 --> 01:15:57,465 But we can see the damage being done on the ground. 1403 01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:56,524 It does... 1404 01:17:03,009 --> 01:17:04,968 This is the idea of being 1405 01:17:04,968 --> 01:17:07,623 these quote, unquote, "frontier markets." Right? 1406 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:10,321 They're very far from watching eyes. 1407 01:17:10,756 --> 01:17:12,671 These things kind of happen in the shadows. 1408 01:17:12,671 --> 01:17:15,021 And these are... Ultimately, they can become 1409 01:17:15,021 --> 01:17:16,414 just forgotten people, 1410 01:17:16,806 --> 01:17:19,809 until they get pissed enough, until they rise up, 1411 01:17:19,809 --> 01:17:21,767 until there's a big enough conflict 1412 01:17:21,767 --> 01:17:24,248 that the world takes note for a little bit. 1413 01:17:35,259 --> 01:17:38,088 One of the surprising things we learned was that 1414 01:17:38,088 --> 01:17:40,786 Somali pirates came from fishermen 1415 01:17:41,178 --> 01:17:43,484 that had their fishing stocks depleted. 1416 01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:46,792 Foreigners came in. 1417 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:48,968 They trawled all of the fish out of those regions. 1418 01:17:49,447 --> 01:17:52,755 And so the Somalis that had been making their livings 1419 01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:55,540 off of going out and fishing and selling that fish 1420 01:17:55,540 --> 01:17:57,281 didn't have that income anymore. 1421 01:17:57,281 --> 01:18:00,197 And it was an incentive for them to become 1422 01:18:00,197 --> 01:18:01,720 quote, unquote, "pirates." 1423 01:18:02,068 --> 01:18:04,157 Reporter 1: More than 90 ships have been attacked this year. 1424 01:18:04,592 --> 01:18:06,769 And at least 36 have been hijacked, 1425 01:18:06,769 --> 01:18:08,684 according to the International Maritime Bureau. 1426 01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:10,207 Reporter 2: To defend themselves, 1427 01:18:10,207 --> 01:18:11,861 shipping companies are now spending 1428 01:18:11,861 --> 01:18:14,994 close to a billion dollars on private guards, 1429 01:18:14,994 --> 01:18:17,475 who are now waging a largely hidden 1430 01:18:17,475 --> 01:18:19,869 mercenary war against pirates. 1431 01:18:23,263 --> 01:18:28,225 You know, where does Daesh, or ISIS, or ISIL, pop up? 1432 01:18:28,529 --> 01:18:32,229 It pops up in places where it's, you know, 1433 01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:34,971 tough to get by, generally speaking. 1434 01:18:35,493 --> 01:18:37,321 I swear to the Almighty God, 1435 01:18:37,321 --> 01:18:39,758 you will not see them again until after you release 1436 01:18:39,758 --> 01:18:41,238 our people that you captured. 1437 01:18:41,238 --> 01:18:44,415 That's a reality in too many places. 1438 01:18:44,415 --> 01:18:48,027 Boko Haram in northeast Nigeria, the Lake Chad region. 1439 01:18:48,462 --> 01:18:51,422 Al-Shabaab in Somalia. 1440 01:18:51,944 --> 01:18:55,078 You can go around the continent and identify 1441 01:18:55,426 --> 01:19:00,387 different extremist groups that prey upon deprivation. 1442 01:19:01,084 --> 01:19:02,868 - They are not happy. 1443 01:19:02,868 --> 01:19:04,783 There are ongoing conflicts 1444 01:19:04,783 --> 01:19:07,830 in Yemen, in Libya, 1445 01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:10,441 Mali, Venezuela, of course. 1446 01:19:11,050 --> 01:19:12,835 It would not be in the best interests 1447 01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:15,054 of the United States to add to that list. 1448 01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:19,276 If you follow this trajectory, 1449 01:19:19,276 --> 01:19:25,108 we may see a world that is essentially unrecognizable. 1450 01:19:27,893 --> 01:19:31,592 A world war triggered by competition 1451 01:19:31,592 --> 01:19:33,551 over natural resources 1452 01:19:33,551 --> 01:19:36,815 doesn't seem that improbable to me. 1453 01:19:36,815 --> 01:19:37,990 Um... 1454 01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:39,949 Whether we go to war or not, you know, 1455 01:19:39,949 --> 01:19:41,733 that's a political decision, right? 1456 01:20:02,362 --> 01:20:03,624 Crew member: We are rolling, guys. 1457 01:20:07,672 --> 01:20:09,239 Andriy, thank you so much 1458 01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:11,371 for doing this interview with us. 1459 01:20:11,371 --> 01:20:13,547 I know it's late in the evening there. 1460 01:20:13,547 --> 01:20:17,203 So back in 2020, we interviewed Andriy Senchenko, 1461 01:20:17,203 --> 01:20:20,380 the former Deputy Chief of Staff for the Ukrainian president 1462 01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:23,557 when Russia grabbed Crimea in 2014. 1463 01:20:24,994 --> 01:20:26,952 Reporter 1: This is a Russian invasion. 1464 01:20:26,952 --> 01:20:30,521 The U.S. says it has no doubt these are Russian forces 1465 01:20:30,521 --> 01:20:32,697 and has demanded their immediate withdrawal. 1466 01:20:32,697 --> 01:20:34,568 Reporter 2: When Russian forces invaded, 1467 01:20:34,568 --> 01:20:36,919 the Ukrainian government then built this dam 1468 01:20:36,919 --> 01:20:40,574 to try and stop the water flow and force the Russians out. 1469 01:20:41,010 --> 01:20:42,794 And it turns out that when Russia 1470 01:20:42,794 --> 01:20:44,840 came over and grabbed Crimea, 1471 01:20:45,666 --> 01:20:47,320 the Ukrainians were like, cool, well... 1472 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,931 No water. 1473 01:20:49,453 --> 01:20:51,803 And it was this decision made by Senchenko. 1474 01:20:53,022 --> 01:20:54,632 And so, yeah, we were like, 1475 01:20:54,632 --> 01:20:56,286 "Well, we gotta talk to this guy." 1476 01:20:56,286 --> 01:20:59,855 So, when the Russians entered Crimea, 1477 01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:02,248 why cut off their water supply? 1478 01:21:26,882 --> 01:21:28,666 So by the time we talked to him, 1479 01:21:28,666 --> 01:21:31,408 the water to Crimea had been shut off for seven years. 1480 01:21:31,712 --> 01:21:33,801 The agriculture had been decimated. 1481 01:21:34,541 --> 01:21:36,108 They were trying to put in desal plants, 1482 01:21:36,108 --> 01:21:38,110 they were trucking water over. 1483 01:21:38,110 --> 01:21:40,504 And it had become so expensive for the Russians 1484 01:21:40,504 --> 01:21:43,681 that a lot of people were beginning to conjecture 1485 01:21:43,681 --> 01:21:46,249 that in order to save Crimea, 1486 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,947 Putin was going to have to invade Ukraine 1487 01:21:48,947 --> 01:21:50,862 and take control of that water canal. 1488 01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:55,911 The Crimea buildup is getting pretty intense now. 1489 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:57,869 - There's, like, 80,000 troops. -Yeah. 1490 01:21:57,869 --> 01:21:59,958 So, Mal's tracking this. 1491 01:21:59,958 --> 01:22:02,439 Mal's tracking this dispute over water 1492 01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:03,919 between Russia and Ukraine. 1493 01:22:04,615 --> 01:22:07,400 Because this was a case where tensions over water 1494 01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,011 could spark an international war. 1495 01:22:09,315 --> 01:22:11,013 They built up these troops, they're doing exercises, 1496 01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:13,580 and they're bringing in artillery, and... 1497 01:22:13,580 --> 01:22:16,540 So less than a year before the Russians invaded, 1498 01:22:17,062 --> 01:22:18,934 we reach out to Senchenko again, 1499 01:22:18,934 --> 01:22:20,674 because we want to know what he's seeing 1500 01:22:20,674 --> 01:22:22,067 and what he thinks about it. 1501 01:22:23,547 --> 01:22:25,941 I'm sorry, do I understand you correctly? 1502 01:22:25,941 --> 01:22:27,986 You think the Russians are bluffing, 1503 01:22:27,986 --> 01:22:30,597 that they're not going to invade and take the canal? 1504 01:23:38,448 --> 01:23:40,537 Months-long build-up of Russian troops 1505 01:23:40,537 --> 01:23:44,715 on the border with Ukraine has turned now into an invasion. 1506 01:23:45,107 --> 01:23:47,326 The skies over multiple cities, 1507 01:23:47,326 --> 01:23:49,111 including the capital Kyiv, lit up... 1508 01:23:49,111 --> 01:23:52,984 These are among the darkest hours 1509 01:23:52,984 --> 01:23:55,856 for Europe since the end of World War II. 1510 01:23:57,815 --> 01:23:59,904 Within the first days of the war, 1511 01:23:59,904 --> 01:24:01,384 what do the Russians do? 1512 01:24:01,732 --> 01:24:04,300 They blow up the dam blocking water to the canal. 1513 01:24:06,389 --> 01:24:09,566 And that gets immediately reported back to Putin. 1514 01:24:21,143 --> 01:24:22,622 Reports of Russians 1515 01:24:22,622 --> 01:24:24,624 seizing Ukrainian cargo ships 1516 01:24:24,624 --> 01:24:26,104 full of grain 1517 01:24:26,104 --> 01:24:28,367 and taking it and hauling it back to Russia. 1518 01:24:29,629 --> 01:24:33,068 One of Ukraine's largest grain silos, blown up. 1519 01:24:35,374 --> 01:24:39,465 We see this concentration on food, on water, 1520 01:24:39,465 --> 01:24:41,815 immediately as the war starts. 1521 01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:45,123 You see a country that's been talking about creating 1522 01:24:45,123 --> 01:24:49,301 a Grain-OPEC or a Food-OPEC invading another country 1523 01:24:49,301 --> 01:24:53,305 that would make it the largest grain exporter in the world, 1524 01:24:53,305 --> 01:24:55,873 effectively the most powerful food-exporting country 1525 01:24:55,873 --> 01:24:57,483 in the world. You know? 1526 01:24:57,483 --> 01:25:00,312 This is what security experts are now worried about. 1527 01:25:00,617 --> 01:25:04,011 They're openly talking about the possibility of Russia 1528 01:25:04,011 --> 01:25:06,884 using its food supply as a weapon. 1529 01:25:08,538 --> 01:25:09,930 The Russian government seems to believe 1530 01:25:09,930 --> 01:25:11,149 that using food as a weapon 1531 01:25:11,715 --> 01:25:14,109 will help accomplish what its invasion does not. 1532 01:25:15,197 --> 01:25:17,503 The consequences of these actions 1533 01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,636 have been devastating. 1534 01:25:19,636 --> 01:25:22,160 The food supply for millions of Ukrainians 1535 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,597 and millions more around the world 1536 01:25:25,381 --> 01:25:27,296 has quite literally been held hostage 1537 01:25:27,818 --> 01:25:29,298 by the Russian military. 1538 01:25:31,213 --> 01:25:32,475 The reality is, 1539 01:25:32,475 --> 01:25:35,826 Ukraine is the number-one provider 1540 01:25:36,174 --> 01:25:40,135 of food that WFP, the World Food Programme, 1541 01:25:40,657 --> 01:25:43,790 distributes into the populations in need. 1542 01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:46,097 And now, the head of the World Food Programme 1543 01:25:46,097 --> 01:25:48,621 has warned that the conflict in Ukraine 1544 01:25:48,621 --> 01:25:51,189 could send global food prices soaring... 1545 01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:54,410 WFP noted that the Russian Federation and Ukraine 1546 01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:58,544 are responsible for 29 percent of the global wheat trade, 1547 01:25:58,544 --> 01:26:01,808 and that any serious disruption of production and exports 1548 01:26:01,808 --> 01:26:04,289 from the region could push food prices 1549 01:26:04,289 --> 01:26:06,465 beyond their current ten-year highs. 1550 01:26:07,727 --> 01:26:10,034 The Executive Director of World Food Programme, 1551 01:26:10,034 --> 01:26:11,992 he warned that bullets and bombs in Ukraine 1552 01:26:11,992 --> 01:26:14,125 could take the global hunger crisis 1553 01:26:14,125 --> 01:26:16,649 to levels beyond anything we've seen before. 1554 01:26:18,912 --> 01:26:21,219 We need to understand Ukraine 1555 01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:23,874 as not just a struggle for democracy, 1556 01:26:24,483 --> 01:26:28,618 but it is, once again, a struggle for resources 1557 01:26:28,618 --> 01:26:30,837 and who owns and controls it. 1558 01:26:38,889 --> 01:26:40,847 We're seeing the destitution, 1559 01:26:40,847 --> 01:26:42,240 the damage this is causing 1560 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:43,763 for millions of people around the world. 1561 01:26:46,505 --> 01:26:47,637 I mean, it's... 1562 01:26:47,637 --> 01:26:49,073 You're gonna want to talk to him. 1563 01:26:49,073 --> 01:26:50,553 I think it's fair to say 1564 01:26:50,553 --> 01:26:52,511 that there are people in the United States 1565 01:26:52,511 --> 01:26:56,950 who are suffering from essentially the same thing. 1566 01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:59,736 Not at the same scale 1567 01:26:59,736 --> 01:27:02,086 and not with the same degree of deprivation, 1568 01:27:02,086 --> 01:27:04,480 but they are watching what was theirs 1569 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:05,959 become someone else's, 1570 01:27:05,959 --> 01:27:07,874 and having little or no recourse. 1571 01:27:08,962 --> 01:27:12,139 This is the pension fund for Arizona state. 1572 01:27:12,139 --> 01:27:15,317 Holly's own pension fund, without her even knowing it, 1573 01:27:15,317 --> 01:27:18,537 the money that's supposed to fund her retirement 1574 01:27:18,885 --> 01:27:21,148 is draining the water from her land. 1575 01:27:22,324 --> 01:27:24,587 And she has no idea. No idea. 1576 01:27:25,109 --> 01:27:30,332 So basically, your pension fund funded that takeover 1577 01:27:30,332 --> 01:27:33,552 that is now Al Dahra, that's shipping it overseas. 1578 01:27:35,946 --> 01:27:38,165 I want to scream right now. 1579 01:27:38,165 --> 01:27:39,819 That is incredible. 1580 01:27:40,255 --> 01:27:42,605 Absolutely incredible. 1581 01:27:43,954 --> 01:27:45,869 Wow. 1582 01:27:46,783 --> 01:27:47,827 Yeah. 1583 01:27:50,830 --> 01:27:51,918 Wow. 1584 01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:55,531 This... 1585 01:27:56,923 --> 01:27:59,665 - And you know, I'd be... 1586 01:28:00,144 --> 01:28:03,103 There you go. All day long. See it all day long. 1587 01:28:03,103 --> 01:28:06,324 And what is our state doing? Absolutely nothing. 1588 01:28:06,324 --> 01:28:08,021 And because you just showed me this, 1589 01:28:08,021 --> 01:28:10,415 it explains why they're not doing anything. 1590 01:28:10,415 --> 01:28:11,851 Because why would they? 1591 01:28:12,112 --> 01:28:13,592 They're, you know, it... 1592 01:28:13,592 --> 01:28:16,291 To me, it's extremely disturbing. 1593 01:28:17,379 --> 01:28:19,729 And it quite frankly makes me very angry. 1594 01:28:26,083 --> 01:28:28,259 In our work, where we have looked at 1595 01:28:28,259 --> 01:28:30,261 hundreds and hundreds of land deals 1596 01:28:30,261 --> 01:28:31,741 all over the world, 1597 01:28:31,741 --> 01:28:35,135 majority of the deals are actually U.S.-based 1598 01:28:35,135 --> 01:28:37,224 and by European investors. 1599 01:28:38,356 --> 01:28:40,619 So there's far more in common 1600 01:28:40,619 --> 01:28:43,970 in the struggles of the dispossessed. 1601 01:28:44,667 --> 01:28:47,104 You talk about Africa, 1602 01:28:47,104 --> 01:28:48,932 along with land grab, you have water grab. 1603 01:28:49,324 --> 01:28:52,196 But if you look at the struggles in the United States, 1604 01:28:52,196 --> 01:28:55,678 the fight and the struggle is against the same corporations 1605 01:28:55,678 --> 01:28:58,289 who are taking over land globally. 1606 01:28:58,550 --> 01:29:00,944 These corporations, of course, are not working 1607 01:29:00,944 --> 01:29:04,208 for the U.S. government to ensure U.S. food supply. 1608 01:29:04,948 --> 01:29:08,125 Instead, you have a scenario where the U.S. government, 1609 01:29:08,604 --> 01:29:12,303 or the European governments are working for the corporations. 1610 01:29:13,304 --> 01:29:15,306 The priority is not the people. 1611 01:29:17,221 --> 01:29:19,745 When we talk about a vulnerable population, 1612 01:29:19,745 --> 01:29:22,922 we are not talking about a particular geography. 1613 01:29:23,314 --> 01:29:25,577 We're talking about people who lack power, 1614 01:29:26,012 --> 01:29:28,667 lack access to making the decisions 1615 01:29:28,928 --> 01:29:30,365 about their own lives. 1616 01:29:31,148 --> 01:29:36,414 And that's true whether that population is in Arizona 1617 01:29:36,414 --> 01:29:39,461 or in the Ukraine. 1618 01:29:52,299 --> 01:29:54,824 Rural communities have a fabric. 1619 01:29:55,433 --> 01:29:58,218 And so when that land is purchased, 1620 01:29:58,567 --> 01:30:01,004 if it is managed in a way 1621 01:30:01,004 --> 01:30:03,572 that is not contributing to the community, 1622 01:30:03,572 --> 01:30:05,574 that's a sabotage of the community. 1623 01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:10,622 So it really becomes like a raid. 1624 01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:13,973 And even though it's legal... 1625 01:30:15,148 --> 01:30:18,064 it's raiding resources that aren't yours. 1626 01:30:20,502 --> 01:30:22,460 People are going to have to ask themselves 1627 01:30:22,460 --> 01:30:25,115 if this is an intractable movement. 1628 01:30:25,115 --> 01:30:26,638 If you have some of the wealthiest countries 1629 01:30:26,638 --> 01:30:29,598 in the world, and you have people's own pension funds 1630 01:30:29,989 --> 01:30:31,687 that are all behind this movement, 1631 01:30:32,078 --> 01:30:33,819 who's going to stop it? 1632 01:30:34,951 --> 01:30:36,474 If you're an Emirati, 1633 01:30:36,474 --> 01:30:37,997 why would you want to stop them? 1634 01:30:37,997 --> 01:30:39,608 If you were Chinese, why would you want to stop them? 1635 01:30:39,608 --> 01:30:41,305 You want your country doing these things. 1636 01:30:41,305 --> 01:30:43,960 And I think it's tough to fault China 1637 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:45,744 for making sure that they're gonna have 1638 01:30:45,744 --> 01:30:47,572 enough food and water for their people. 1639 01:30:47,964 --> 01:30:50,357 That's the purview of a country. 1640 01:30:51,097 --> 01:30:54,187 The same with UAE, and the same with the Saudis, you know. 1641 01:30:54,971 --> 01:30:57,060 It's the purview of a country to make sure they have 1642 01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:59,454 the resources that their people want and need. 1643 01:31:00,672 --> 01:31:03,893 The capitalist system we've got now permits that, 1644 01:31:03,893 --> 01:31:06,722 because we thought these resources were all endless. 1645 01:31:07,462 --> 01:31:09,507 It's one of those classic things 1646 01:31:09,507 --> 01:31:13,163 where the fundamentals have changed very significantly, 1647 01:31:13,598 --> 01:31:17,559 and we're just operating along like it's business as usual. 1648 01:31:20,039 --> 01:31:21,693 The problem isn't countries 1649 01:31:21,693 --> 01:31:24,479 or people trying to secure their food supply. 1650 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,568 The problem is how. 1651 01:31:27,612 --> 01:31:31,224 How some people in some places are securing their food. 1652 01:31:33,531 --> 01:31:35,446 Going in and grabbing other people's land, 1653 01:31:35,446 --> 01:31:37,535 depriving them of a future. 1654 01:31:37,535 --> 01:31:39,624 Going in and grabbing people's water, 1655 01:31:39,624 --> 01:31:42,932 sucking their aquifers dry, depriving them of a future. 1656 01:31:42,932 --> 01:31:44,760 It's problematic in so many ways. 1657 01:31:45,543 --> 01:31:46,501 It's inequity. 1658 01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:49,678 It's seeding future conflict. 1659 01:31:50,548 --> 01:31:52,463 It's destabilizing the world. 1660 01:31:54,596 --> 01:31:56,641 Owen-Burge: We in the developed nations 1661 01:31:56,641 --> 01:31:59,383 demand huge amounts of food, 1662 01:31:59,775 --> 01:32:03,996 out of season, whenever we want. And we throw away a third of it. 1663 01:32:05,258 --> 01:32:08,827 If we didn't say, "I want a watermelon in December," 1664 01:32:08,827 --> 01:32:11,003 then they wouldn't have that pressure, 1665 01:32:11,003 --> 01:32:12,178 that market pressure, 1666 01:32:12,483 --> 01:32:16,313 to suck up all the water to make this food for us. 1667 01:32:16,661 --> 01:32:19,359 All of these problems always end up with 1668 01:32:19,359 --> 01:32:22,362 an inability to accept the responsibility 1669 01:32:22,362 --> 01:32:23,538 by developed nations. 1670 01:32:24,582 --> 01:32:26,453 We have over-consumed. 1671 01:32:27,106 --> 01:32:29,544 We have overdrawn 1672 01:32:30,283 --> 01:32:33,199 on resources that were meant for future generations. 1673 01:32:35,637 --> 01:32:37,943 The West often looks to other countries. 1674 01:32:37,943 --> 01:32:40,119 There's reports that have come out that said, 1675 01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:42,339 "If China's meat consumption continues, 1676 01:32:42,339 --> 01:32:44,297 there's no way we're gonna be able to meet 1677 01:32:44,297 --> 01:32:45,864 our climate change goals." 1678 01:32:45,864 --> 01:32:49,302 And that might be true, but it's said by the West, 1679 01:32:49,302 --> 01:32:51,391 who consumes almost twice as much meat 1680 01:32:51,391 --> 01:32:53,306 per capita as does China. 1681 01:32:53,306 --> 01:32:55,482 And yet, there's this finger-pointing 1682 01:32:55,482 --> 01:32:58,790 at the developing world for increasingly eating meat. 1683 01:32:58,790 --> 01:33:00,836 But it's like, yeah, but they're just getting closer 1684 01:33:00,836 --> 01:33:03,273 to eating your diet! You know? Like... 1685 01:33:04,056 --> 01:33:05,710 Maybe you look in. 1686 01:33:06,058 --> 01:33:09,584 Maybe the solution is inside your borders, you know? 1687 01:33:12,282 --> 01:33:15,024 This is the master plan. 1688 01:33:15,938 --> 01:33:17,722 This is how it's gonna work. 1689 01:33:18,331 --> 01:33:21,247 One of the points of hope 1690 01:33:21,247 --> 01:33:24,729 is that the same people that are identifying the problems, 1691 01:33:24,729 --> 01:33:28,211 that are saying the future looks really bleak, 1692 01:33:28,690 --> 01:33:31,649 there's always an asterisk, "unless we do..." 1693 01:33:32,258 --> 01:33:33,564 And there's a solution. 1694 01:33:38,003 --> 01:33:40,963 What if we use, instead of grass, 1695 01:33:40,963 --> 01:33:42,312 we use bacteria, 1696 01:33:42,312 --> 01:33:44,836 and instead of cows, we use fungi. 1697 01:33:45,532 --> 01:33:47,143 And you can do that in three days. 1698 01:33:48,231 --> 01:33:52,278 In theory, you could make food out of thin air. 1699 01:33:53,453 --> 01:33:55,064 So we have people from the defense sector 1700 01:33:55,064 --> 01:33:57,719 talking about restructuring the food system. 1701 01:33:57,719 --> 01:34:00,156 You have Wall Street investors like Edward Hargroves 1702 01:34:00,156 --> 01:34:02,332 operating big commercial farms 1703 01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,987 who have kind of done an about-face. 1704 01:34:05,814 --> 01:34:08,947 Because they saw first-hand what was happening to the soil. 1705 01:34:09,208 --> 01:34:11,689 And now they're moving into regenerative farming. 1706 01:34:22,744 --> 01:34:27,400 So, you know, at the time, you only know what you know. 1707 01:34:28,097 --> 01:34:31,927 And without the current farmland portfolio, 1708 01:34:31,927 --> 01:34:33,929 we never would have had this opportunity. 1709 01:34:34,451 --> 01:34:36,018 But we can do better. 1710 01:34:36,018 --> 01:34:38,411 And we're always going to be looking to do better 1711 01:34:38,411 --> 01:34:39,630 across the board. 1712 01:34:40,718 --> 01:34:43,416 We know the hungry are the best experts on hunger. 1713 01:34:43,416 --> 01:34:46,593 We know that the majority of the food that is consumed 1714 01:34:46,593 --> 01:34:47,943 in the world today, 1715 01:34:47,943 --> 01:34:51,511 eighty percent of it comes from family farmers. 1716 01:34:52,251 --> 01:34:55,559 We need to invest in smallholder farmers. 1717 01:34:55,559 --> 01:34:58,649 We need to ensure their seed rights, 1718 01:34:58,649 --> 01:35:01,086 their land rights, their water rights. 1719 01:35:03,654 --> 01:35:05,569 The world produces enough food 1720 01:35:05,569 --> 01:35:08,615 to feed everybody now properly, and we don't do it. 1721 01:35:08,615 --> 01:35:10,313 In fact, some people say 1722 01:35:10,313 --> 01:35:12,358 the world produces enough food today 1723 01:35:12,358 --> 01:35:14,273 to feed those in 2050, 1724 01:35:14,273 --> 01:35:16,101 if we were to reshape the food system. 1725 01:35:17,886 --> 01:35:20,192 There's enough water in the world 1726 01:35:20,497 --> 01:35:22,238 to grow enough calories 1727 01:35:22,238 --> 01:35:24,849 to feed everyone in the world, not just today, 1728 01:35:24,849 --> 01:35:27,373 but in the year 2050 when there's nine billion people, 1729 01:35:27,373 --> 01:35:29,332 and when there's ten billion people. 1730 01:35:31,116 --> 01:35:34,163 The intelligence community says this is solvable. 1731 01:35:34,163 --> 01:35:36,818 Engineers say this is solvable. 1732 01:35:37,775 --> 01:35:38,820 If we solve it. 1733 01:36:21,863 --> 01:36:22,951 Okay. 1734 01:36:41,621 --> 01:36:43,972 This is the height of resistance. 1735 01:36:43,972 --> 01:36:45,930 This is the height of conflict. 1736 01:36:46,844 --> 01:36:48,063 And there are victories. 1737 01:36:50,108 --> 01:36:51,893 Yes, they're few. They're rare. 1738 01:36:52,415 --> 01:36:53,982 But we cannot undermine 1739 01:36:54,547 --> 01:36:56,462 the importance of those victories. 1740 01:36:57,115 --> 01:36:59,030 History will repeat itself, 1741 01:36:59,030 --> 01:37:01,598 because the model of taking over resources 1742 01:37:01,598 --> 01:37:04,340 is so unsustainable, it cannot last. 1743 01:37:18,528 --> 01:37:19,964 It's always the big question 1744 01:37:19,964 --> 01:37:22,314 when you're working on a big investigative piece, 1745 01:37:22,314 --> 01:37:24,534 when do you call it enough? 1746 01:37:26,101 --> 01:37:29,234 When do you say, okay, I need to take what we've learned 1747 01:37:29,234 --> 01:37:30,670 and share it with the public. 1748 01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:34,196 And I think we're at that point. 1749 01:37:43,205 --> 01:37:45,772 Whether or not people are gonna give a shit or not, 1750 01:37:45,772 --> 01:37:47,035 you can't control. 1751 01:37:50,125 --> 01:37:52,040 What you can control is getting it done. 1752 01:37:52,649 --> 01:37:54,564 Getting the information into people's hands. 1753 01:37:57,349 --> 01:37:58,960 Then it's up to them. 1754 01:38:04,226 --> 01:38:05,531 It is pleasant, isn't it? 1755 01:38:05,531 --> 01:38:06,532 Yeah. 1756 01:39:58,731 --> 01:39:59,689 Thank you. 135005

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