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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:27,299 Subtitles Provided by: VikramJS Verified, Resynced & Edited by: Muzzy-chan 2 00:01:01,625 --> 00:01:02,799 Hey Siri,... 3 00:01:04,820 --> 00:01:07,106 send a message to Cheryl, Front Reception. 4 00:01:09,327 --> 00:01:10,328 What do you want to say? 5 00:01:11,938 --> 00:01:14,680 Amos is already heading there to pick him up, period. 6 00:01:14,723 --> 00:01:16,900 Please forward any calls I get to Brady, period. 7 00:01:18,118 --> 00:01:20,099 Your message to Cheryl, Front Reception, says, 8 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,299 "Amos is already heading there to pick him up. 9 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:24,515 Please forward any calls I get to Brady." 10 00:01:24,516 --> 00:01:25,550 Ready to send it? 11 00:01:25,778 --> 00:01:26,778 Yes. 12 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:29,086 Okay, it's sent. 13 00:01:30,990 --> 00:01:31,999 Hey Siri,... 14 00:01:34,178 --> 00:01:36,058 how do you know if you're doing the right thing? 15 00:01:38,182 --> 00:01:39,357 I'm not sure I understand. 16 00:01:43,535 --> 00:01:44,579 But what do you believe 17 00:01:44,580 --> 00:01:46,407 is the difference between right and wrong? 18 00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:49,790 Hmm. 19 00:01:49,802 --> 00:01:51,500 I don't have an answer for that. 20 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:53,440 Would you like me to search the web? 21 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:55,025 No. 22 00:01:55,860 --> 00:01:58,289 Okay, is there something else I can help with? 23 00:02:07,863 --> 00:02:11,650 Set a reminder to pick up Kyle from therapy tomorrow at 4:45. 24 00:02:13,608 --> 00:02:15,132 Okay, I'll remind you. 25 00:02:37,023 --> 00:02:39,330 Hi, special agent Deena Helms. 26 00:02:39,373 --> 00:02:40,437 You've already met Agent McCullough. 27 00:02:40,461 --> 00:02:41,854 You can call me Amos. 28 00:02:41,897 --> 00:02:44,639 - Uh, agents? - Have a seat for us, Gareth. 29 00:02:47,338 --> 00:02:48,938 Do you mind answering a couple questions? 30 00:02:50,341 --> 00:02:52,430 Great, this shouldn't take long. 31 00:02:54,388 --> 00:02:56,564 You're from Tampa, right? 32 00:02:59,176 --> 00:03:00,616 Don't overthink it. It's a yes or no. 33 00:03:02,004 --> 00:03:03,223 Yeah. 34 00:03:03,267 --> 00:03:04,616 How old are you, Gareth? 35 00:03:04,659 --> 00:03:05,530 29. 36 00:03:05,573 --> 00:03:07,184 What do you do for work? 37 00:03:07,227 --> 00:03:08,533 I'm sorry, am I being detained? 38 00:03:08,576 --> 00:03:09,838 No, not at all. 39 00:03:09,882 --> 00:03:11,753 We're just asking questions, background stuff. 40 00:03:12,972 --> 00:03:14,147 You work on movies, right? 41 00:03:15,061 --> 00:03:16,061 Special effects. 42 00:03:17,324 --> 00:03:18,630 Someone told me you worked 43 00:03:18,673 --> 00:03:20,173 on that new "Star Wars" movie, is that right? 44 00:03:20,197 --> 00:03:21,459 Who told you that? 45 00:03:21,502 --> 00:03:23,287 Why don't you tell us more about it? 46 00:03:23,330 --> 00:03:24,330 Tell us about your work. 47 00:03:26,855 --> 00:03:28,770 I used to do VFX for an animation company. 48 00:03:28,814 --> 00:03:29,878 I've worked on at least 20 different films. 49 00:03:29,902 --> 00:03:31,164 Used to? 50 00:03:31,208 --> 00:03:32,470 I've been focusing more 51 00:03:32,513 --> 00:03:33,708 on software engineering recently for years— 52 00:03:33,732 --> 00:03:35,386 Sounds boring compared to light sabers. 53 00:03:35,429 --> 00:03:36,648 Why quit? 54 00:03:36,691 --> 00:03:37,779 I wasn't getting paid well. 55 00:03:37,823 --> 00:03:39,103 But money's not an issue for you. 56 00:03:39,128 --> 00:03:40,304 Excuse me? 57 00:03:40,347 --> 00:03:41,218 What kind of effects did you do? 58 00:03:41,261 --> 00:03:42,610 - Money's not an issue for me? - Let's talk about... Let's talk... 59 00:03:42,654 --> 00:03:43,749 If money wasn't an issue for me,... 60 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:46,280 - I wouldn't have applied for your grant. - I didn't mean to suggest anything. 61 00:03:46,962 --> 00:03:48,402 Tell us what kind of effects you did. 62 00:03:51,576 --> 00:03:53,142 My main focus was on 3D renderings. 63 00:03:53,186 --> 00:03:54,274 Of what? 64 00:03:54,318 --> 00:03:55,318 - Actors. - What for? 65 00:03:56,058 --> 00:03:57,321 Well, for "Star Wars", 66 00:03:57,364 --> 00:03:58,863 it was because the actor I was tasked to digitize 67 00:03:58,887 --> 00:04:00,407 was unavailable to be filmed in person. 68 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:02,020 Why? 69 00:04:03,065 --> 00:04:04,065 Because they were dead. 70 00:04:05,894 --> 00:04:06,894 What'd they have you do? 71 00:04:08,941 --> 00:04:11,117 I reconstructed Alec Guinness' face as a 3D model. 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,727 I analyzed reference footage, 73 00:04:12,771 --> 00:04:14,618 then used a process called D-Term to procedurally generate 74 00:04:14,642 --> 00:04:15,880 his bone and muscle structures, 75 00:04:15,904 --> 00:04:17,273 which one rigged helped the animation feel 76 00:04:17,297 --> 00:04:18,559 more natural and human-like. 77 00:04:18,603 --> 00:04:20,779 D-Term, I've never heard of that process before. 78 00:04:20,822 --> 00:04:21,910 Because I invented it. 79 00:04:22,259 --> 00:04:24,478 So you're basically bringing dead actors back to life? 80 00:04:24,522 --> 00:04:25,977 I just tried to make the CG characters look as 81 00:04:26,001 --> 00:04:27,631 photorealistic as the technology at the time would allow. 82 00:04:27,655 --> 00:04:28,655 You didn't find it creepy? 83 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:30,570 I'm sorry, what? 84 00:04:31,398 --> 00:04:32,718 I said you don't find that creepy? 85 00:04:35,010 --> 00:04:37,404 Well, we did our best to cross the uncanny valley. 86 00:04:37,448 --> 00:04:38,799 But when the human brain perceives 87 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:39,999 that something is just slightly off and it doesn't matter— 88 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,341 No, I mean, digitizing dead people. 89 00:04:41,365 --> 00:04:42,496 Christ, I mean, it's... 90 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:45,064 it's almost like turning someone's corpse into a marionette, you know? 91 00:04:45,107 --> 00:04:46,387 Making them do whatever you want. 92 00:04:46,892 --> 00:04:48,110 What if the poor dead guy 93 00:04:48,154 --> 00:04:49,834 didn't want to be in another fucking movie? 94 00:04:50,417 --> 00:04:51,417 It's so macabre. 95 00:04:51,810 --> 00:04:52,917 Am I crazy? Is it not macabre? 96 00:04:52,941 --> 00:04:55,204 I don't think the studio cares whether it's macabre or not. 97 00:04:55,248 --> 00:04:56,443 Look, I can never tell the difference. 98 00:04:56,467 --> 00:04:58,009 I always can. The faces look like Play-Doh. 99 00:04:58,033 --> 00:04:59,165 Well, we did our best. 100 00:04:59,208 --> 00:05:00,360 Soon we won't even need actors, right? 101 00:05:00,384 --> 00:05:01,689 Everyone will just be digital. 102 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:03,406 No, you still need them for motion tracking. 103 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:05,452 Human performances can't be completely computer generated. 104 00:05:05,476 --> 00:05:06,556 How long will that be true? 105 00:05:10,698 --> 00:05:12,738 Some might say we've already crossed that threshold. 106 00:05:14,398 --> 00:05:15,398 I wouldn't know. 107 00:05:18,402 --> 00:05:19,620 Where'd you go to school? 108 00:05:19,664 --> 00:05:21,274 - Brooks-DeBartolo High. - And after? 109 00:05:23,145 --> 00:05:24,408 Nothing? 110 00:05:24,451 --> 00:05:25,322 What about Columbia? 111 00:05:25,365 --> 00:05:26,405 Didn't you go to Columbia? 112 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:30,109 Wait, no. You dropped out of Columbia 113 00:05:30,152 --> 00:05:32,416 after how many semesters? 114 00:05:32,981 --> 00:05:33,981 Three? 115 00:05:36,071 --> 00:05:38,944 Bjarne Stroustrup said,... 116 00:05:38,987 --> 00:05:40,467 you were the smartest kid he ever met. 117 00:05:41,686 --> 00:05:44,384 I don't know who he is, but Amos says it's a big deal. 118 00:05:45,690 --> 00:05:49,042 Then you moved to the Netherlands, spent some time as an intern,... 119 00:05:49,781 --> 00:05:51,021 applied and got into Cambridge. 120 00:05:51,739 --> 00:05:53,001 Very nice. 121 00:05:53,045 --> 00:05:54,765 Except that you dropped out after two years. 122 00:05:55,395 --> 00:05:59,008 Flew back to the States, interned in Palo Alto, then Montreal. 123 00:05:59,356 --> 00:06:00,637 Then went all the way back to England, 124 00:06:00,661 --> 00:06:02,141 where you landed a job in Sheffield. 125 00:06:02,184 --> 00:06:03,882 Second job in Manchester. 126 00:06:04,448 --> 00:06:07,146 Then got into Oxford where you almost finished your masters 127 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:09,932 before ditching the graduation and moving back here to Florida. 128 00:06:14,632 --> 00:06:15,763 If money was an issue, 129 00:06:17,635 --> 00:06:19,376 I'm glad you had plenty of flyer miles. 130 00:06:21,465 --> 00:06:22,640 I didn't hear a question. 131 00:06:23,815 --> 00:06:24,975 What's your social life like? 132 00:06:25,817 --> 00:06:27,399 My, what does that have anything to do— 133 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,100 If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. 134 00:06:29,124 --> 00:06:30,406 We just wanted to know if you have friends and stuff. 135 00:06:30,430 --> 00:06:31,997 - I have friends. - A lot of them? 136 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,278 - I have friends. - Can you name one? 137 00:06:33,302 --> 00:06:34,454 - Can I what? - Can you tell us the name... 138 00:06:34,478 --> 00:06:35,598 of just one of your friends? 139 00:06:36,523 --> 00:06:38,612 - Steve. - Steve. Steve what? 140 00:06:38,656 --> 00:06:39,981 I don't know how this is relevant to receiving the grant. 141 00:06:40,005 --> 00:06:41,685 Oh, we're just getting to know you, Gareth. 142 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:43,399 You got a girlfriend? 143 00:06:43,922 --> 00:06:44,922 Boyfriend? 144 00:06:45,489 --> 00:06:47,273 You, uh, talk to people online? 145 00:06:47,316 --> 00:06:48,424 I don't know what you mean by that. 146 00:06:48,448 --> 00:06:49,710 I don't use social media. 147 00:06:49,754 --> 00:06:50,874 I mean more like chat rooms. 148 00:06:55,716 --> 00:06:57,022 You go on any chat rooms? 149 00:07:01,896 --> 00:07:03,245 No one uses chat rooms anymore. 150 00:07:03,985 --> 00:07:04,985 Sure they do. 151 00:07:06,771 --> 00:07:07,891 You chat with anyone online? 152 00:07:10,514 --> 00:07:11,689 - Sometimes. - Sometimes. 153 00:07:13,212 --> 00:07:14,953 What kinds of people do you talk to online? 154 00:07:17,085 --> 00:07:21,176 Gareth, obviously, this isn't about a grant. 155 00:07:22,395 --> 00:07:23,755 We need to know what your alias is. 156 00:07:25,137 --> 00:07:27,052 When you go online, what name do you use? 157 00:07:27,095 --> 00:07:28,314 I don't have one. 158 00:07:28,357 --> 00:07:29,319 Yes, you do. 159 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,545 And you need to tell us what it is. 160 00:07:36,801 --> 00:07:37,889 Sorry, I can't help you. 161 00:07:48,813 --> 00:07:49,857 You know who we are? 162 00:07:51,946 --> 00:07:53,600 Well, this is the ICWL building. 163 00:07:53,644 --> 00:07:55,036 That's right. You know what we do? 164 00:07:56,429 --> 00:07:57,561 Humanitarian work. 165 00:07:57,604 --> 00:07:58,964 That's what the people upstairs do. 166 00:07:59,127 --> 00:08:00,389 You know what we do? 167 00:08:05,307 --> 00:08:06,744 We catch pedophiles. 168 00:08:09,007 --> 00:08:12,358 Amos here specializes in tracking down online predators. 169 00:08:12,401 --> 00:08:14,360 He spends every waking hour, 170 00:08:14,403 --> 00:08:17,015 scouring those chat rooms you say no one uses,... 171 00:08:17,058 --> 00:08:19,670 and he finds thousands of people soliciting children. 172 00:08:20,758 --> 00:08:23,500 Our operation is like a tightly spun spider web, 173 00:08:23,848 --> 00:08:26,633 connecting ICWL, the FBI, NSA, 174 00:08:26,677 --> 00:08:29,288 and let me tell you, his team here is a vital thread. 175 00:08:30,289 --> 00:08:33,031 He reports everything he gathers directly to me, 176 00:08:33,074 --> 00:08:35,207 and I see to it that the necessary authorities 177 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:36,382 take swift action. 178 00:08:36,774 --> 00:08:37,818 So are you in charge? 179 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:39,864 This is my spiderweb. 180 00:08:41,605 --> 00:08:43,432 I'm the fucking spider, Gareth. 181 00:08:47,349 --> 00:08:49,961 Am I being detained? 182 00:08:50,831 --> 00:08:52,374 We already told you that you're not detained. 183 00:08:52,398 --> 00:08:53,834 Good. 184 00:08:55,053 --> 00:08:57,055 But if you leave this room, you will be arrested. 185 00:09:03,452 --> 00:09:04,452 For what? 186 00:09:07,065 --> 00:09:08,065 I told you what we do. 187 00:09:08,632 --> 00:09:09,632 Take a wild guess. 188 00:09:11,635 --> 00:09:13,158 I am not what you think I am. 189 00:09:13,419 --> 00:09:14,419 We'll see. 190 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:18,555 Gareth, you just gotta tell us your alias. 191 00:09:19,599 --> 00:09:21,209 What's your username? 192 00:09:25,605 --> 00:09:26,605 Sit down. 193 00:09:42,709 --> 00:09:44,189 - Why do you do this with them? - Hmm? 194 00:09:44,232 --> 00:09:46,297 There's no way you do this with every suspect you have. 195 00:09:46,321 --> 00:09:47,472 Invite them to your headquarters, 196 00:09:47,496 --> 00:09:48,996 and then drag them down into a basement. 197 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:50,020 That's right. 198 00:09:50,674 --> 00:09:52,066 Why are you doing this to me then? 199 00:09:54,199 --> 00:09:55,592 You tell us, Gare. 200 00:09:55,635 --> 00:09:56,984 What makes you so fuckin' special? 201 00:09:59,552 --> 00:10:00,552 I don't know. 202 00:10:02,163 --> 00:10:03,730 What's your alias? 203 00:10:03,774 --> 00:10:06,603 - I don't have an alias. - Yes you do. 204 00:10:08,343 --> 00:10:09,518 It starts with the word hard. 205 00:10:11,172 --> 00:10:12,347 Just finish the rest. 206 00:10:14,698 --> 00:10:15,916 Sit down, Mr. Federson. 207 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,483 I only have a few more questions. 208 00:10:30,278 --> 00:10:31,802 Do you recognize this girl? 209 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,336 Do you know her? 210 00:10:47,295 --> 00:10:48,166 Yes. 211 00:10:48,209 --> 00:10:49,209 What's her name? 212 00:10:50,081 --> 00:10:51,560 Cherry. 213 00:10:51,604 --> 00:10:53,277 - Cherry what? - She doesn't have a last name. 214 00:10:53,301 --> 00:10:54,801 Yes, she does, Gareth, she's not Madonna. 215 00:10:54,825 --> 00:10:56,324 - She's a little girl. - You don't understand. 216 00:10:56,348 --> 00:10:57,436 Yeah, well, I'd like to. 217 00:10:57,479 --> 00:10:58,543 So help me out, is she your daughter? 218 00:10:58,567 --> 00:11:00,439 - No. - Then whose daughter is she? 219 00:11:00,482 --> 00:11:01,749 - She, she doesn't have... - How did you meet her? 220 00:11:01,750 --> 00:11:02,799 I didn't meet her. 221 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,680 Then why do you have photos of her on your computer? 222 00:11:04,704 --> 00:11:05,618 What the hell are you talking about? 223 00:11:05,662 --> 00:11:08,679 Why do you fucking have photos of this girl on your fucking... 224 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:09,819 - Are you looking at my hard drive? - So you know... 225 00:11:09,820 --> 00:11:12,428 - Because that's an invasion of privacy. - what photos I'm talking about? 226 00:11:12,451 --> 00:11:13,321 You don't have to do it this way. 227 00:11:13,365 --> 00:11:14,603 I gave you permission to sit in. 228 00:11:14,627 --> 00:11:16,629 I did not give you permission to speak. 229 00:11:16,673 --> 00:11:17,780 This is insane, you cannot keep— 230 00:11:17,804 --> 00:11:19,042 What else have you done with her? 231 00:11:19,066 --> 00:11:20,391 - Nothing! - Did you take the photos? 232 00:11:20,415 --> 00:11:21,286 It's, it's complicated. 233 00:11:21,329 --> 00:11:22,766 No, it's not! Yes or no? 234 00:11:22,809 --> 00:11:23,854 Did you take the photos? 235 00:11:23,897 --> 00:11:25,725 I didn't do anything wrong, okay? 236 00:11:25,769 --> 00:11:28,772 Soliciting pornography of minors is an egregious felony. 237 00:11:28,815 --> 00:11:31,731 Distributing that pornography is tenfold worse. 238 00:11:31,775 --> 00:11:33,646 - I didn't do anything! - Fucking prove it! 239 00:11:34,125 --> 00:11:36,562 What is your alias? 240 00:11:37,606 --> 00:11:38,912 Answer me! 241 00:11:38,956 --> 00:11:40,609 HardMachine11811. 242 00:11:59,106 --> 00:12:00,238 You're HardMachine. 243 00:12:02,414 --> 00:12:03,632 Thanks for confirming. 244 00:12:06,287 --> 00:12:08,768 If you knew, then why do this to me? 245 00:12:08,812 --> 00:12:10,074 We weren't positive, 246 00:12:10,117 --> 00:12:11,442 and if you turned out to not be HardMachine, 247 00:12:11,466 --> 00:12:12,826 you were obviously just a predator. 248 00:12:18,082 --> 00:12:19,126 Do you keep track? 249 00:12:20,998 --> 00:12:23,565 I mean, do you know how many bad people you've nailed? 250 00:12:24,175 --> 00:12:26,046 I didn't start counting until 2023. 251 00:12:26,090 --> 00:12:28,527 196 convictions. 252 00:12:28,570 --> 00:12:29,499 There were at least 30 253 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:31,462 before I started sending everything to you guys. 254 00:12:31,486 --> 00:12:32,486 What'd you do before? 255 00:12:32,836 --> 00:12:34,925 I turned over all evidence directly to the police. 256 00:12:34,968 --> 00:12:35,968 Why'd you stop? 257 00:12:36,187 --> 00:12:37,187 They were unreliable. 258 00:12:38,319 --> 00:12:39,688 - I doubt that. - More than half of the predators... 259 00:12:39,712 --> 00:12:41,032 I identified went un-investigated. 260 00:12:41,061 --> 00:12:42,691 Yeah, well, you were sketchy and faceless. 261 00:12:42,715 --> 00:12:44,155 They had every right to be skeptical. 262 00:12:44,935 --> 00:12:46,199 It would've all been for nothing 263 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,914 if they found out you were using a little girl as bait. 264 00:12:47,938 --> 00:12:49,113 It's not that simple, okay? 265 00:12:49,156 --> 00:12:51,768 I can only do what I do with anonymity. 266 00:12:51,811 --> 00:12:53,771 Here's my problem, Gareth, and don't get me wrong. 267 00:12:53,813 --> 00:12:55,510 I think 200 terrible people behind bars 268 00:12:55,554 --> 00:12:57,643 is a very good thing, but not at her expense. 269 00:12:58,557 --> 00:13:02,170 Look, we think we can help you, but we need to help her too. 270 00:13:02,213 --> 00:13:05,477 Using your daughter to entrap these people 271 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,628 is a means that does not justify the ends. 272 00:13:06,652 --> 00:13:07,599 She's not my daughter. 273 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,199 And in spite of what you may think you've achieved, 274 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,588 I still have no reservation with locking you up. 275 00:13:10,612 --> 00:13:11,612 You took the photos. 276 00:13:12,005 --> 00:13:13,005 I don't care why. 277 00:13:13,224 --> 00:13:14,268 You don't understand. 278 00:13:15,008 --> 00:13:16,096 Who is she? 279 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:17,794 You're gonna ruin everything. 280 00:13:17,837 --> 00:13:20,535 She's a child, Gareth, look at me. 281 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,802 I don't give a damn what fucked up anti-hero master plan 282 00:13:25,845 --> 00:13:26,965 of yours I might jeopardize. 283 00:13:27,368 --> 00:13:28,979 I won't let her be exploited. 284 00:13:29,022 --> 00:13:30,982 Not even for the sake of locking up more perverts. 285 00:13:32,286 --> 00:13:34,375 I'm asking you politely to let this one go. 286 00:13:35,333 --> 00:13:36,551 Are you fucking slow? 287 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,051 Have you been listening at all? 288 00:13:38,075 --> 00:13:40,599 My anonymity is my most important asset. 289 00:13:40,642 --> 00:13:42,253 Without that, I can't do what I do. 290 00:13:42,296 --> 00:13:43,863 Well, that makes everything easy then. 291 00:13:45,386 --> 00:13:47,606 You tell us where she is, or we leak everything. 292 00:13:47,649 --> 00:13:49,129 - Your name, your aliases. - Deena! 293 00:13:49,173 --> 00:13:51,218 Every single perp you helped us catch. 294 00:13:51,262 --> 00:13:53,153 I'm sure they'll be very pleased to meet you in jail. 295 00:13:53,177 --> 00:13:54,352 Stop! 296 00:13:54,395 --> 00:13:55,395 Okay. 297 00:13:58,835 --> 00:14:00,355 Look, if I tell you about Cherry, okay, 298 00:14:00,356 --> 00:14:02,499 there's some things I'm gonna need first. 299 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,208 It doesn't really work like that, Gareth, but go ahead. 300 00:14:05,232 --> 00:14:06,799 Give us your wishlist. 301 00:14:06,843 --> 00:14:08,342 I need a signed non-disclosure agreement from both of you. 302 00:14:08,366 --> 00:14:09,647 - Not gonna happen. - And then I need you to swear... 303 00:14:09,671 --> 00:14:10,823 that the information I'm about to relay 304 00:14:10,847 --> 00:14:11,847 won't leave this room. 305 00:14:12,196 --> 00:14:14,739 Look, if you tell us anything that could help us locate Cherry, 306 00:14:14,763 --> 00:14:16,591 you know we can't keep that promise. 307 00:14:18,332 --> 00:14:19,899 Okay, if I tell you anything 308 00:14:19,943 --> 00:14:22,510 that potentially helps you find a missing child, 309 00:14:22,771 --> 00:14:23,792 okay, you can feel free to share that. 310 00:14:23,816 --> 00:14:25,035 But I need you to swear 311 00:14:25,078 --> 00:14:27,472 that any other details about myself or Cherry, 312 00:14:28,952 --> 00:14:30,392 have to stay between the three of us. 313 00:14:32,390 --> 00:14:33,390 Is that it? 314 00:14:35,697 --> 00:14:37,097 And I need that camera switched off. 315 00:14:38,918 --> 00:14:39,982 I don't know how to do that. 316 00:14:40,006 --> 00:14:41,573 Go to the head of securities office, 317 00:14:41,616 --> 00:14:43,812 ask him to find this camera in the system and disable it. 318 00:14:43,836 --> 00:14:45,316 I don't think he's allowed to do that. 319 00:14:46,447 --> 00:14:47,927 I thought you were the fucking spider? 320 00:14:52,192 --> 00:14:53,585 Give me a reason, Gareth. 321 00:14:53,628 --> 00:14:54,779 Why should I go through all the trouble 322 00:14:54,803 --> 00:14:56,123 of getting that camera turned off? 323 00:14:57,850 --> 00:15:00,050 Because if anybody finds out what I'm about to tell you,... 324 00:15:01,723 --> 00:15:03,551 a thousand more children are gonna get abused. 325 00:15:07,599 --> 00:15:08,599 Give me a minute. 326 00:15:24,007 --> 00:15:29,403 So, uh, you and Cherry hunted all those people together? 327 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,979 This one time I spent six weeks undercover trying 328 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:42,199 to nail down a single trafficker from the Philippines. 329 00:15:44,070 --> 00:15:45,506 Day after day,... 330 00:15:45,550 --> 00:15:48,683 I spent hour after hour following his trail online. 331 00:15:48,727 --> 00:15:50,163 And he must have been 332 00:15:50,207 --> 00:15:52,247 one of the hardest targets I ever had to track down. 333 00:15:55,038 --> 00:15:59,607 Then one day I found him and one of Cherry's live streams. 334 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:02,108 I mean, she went by a different name in the stream, 335 00:16:02,132 --> 00:16:03,655 but it was her. 336 00:16:05,048 --> 00:16:06,179 The trafficker,... 337 00:16:06,223 --> 00:16:09,574 along with three of our other targets were all in the room together. 338 00:16:09,617 --> 00:16:15,101 All of them just carelessly sharing their information. 339 00:16:16,798 --> 00:16:21,542 I mean, and they were so open 'cause she was a real girl. 340 00:16:21,847 --> 00:16:23,501 I mean, she could physically 341 00:16:23,544 --> 00:16:25,720 and verbally respond to them in real time. 342 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:35,034 A couple days later, HardMachine11811 sends ICWL 343 00:16:35,078 --> 00:16:36,905 another batch of names and evidence,... 344 00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:39,996 including the three targets that were in the room. 345 00:16:42,041 --> 00:16:45,001 You know, I almost thought the girl was HardMachine 346 00:16:45,697 --> 00:16:47,351 and that this nine year old 347 00:16:47,394 --> 00:16:50,702 just happened to be some badass online vigilante. 348 00:16:53,183 --> 00:16:54,314 What changed your mind? 349 00:16:57,970 --> 00:16:59,363 11811. 350 00:17:00,755 --> 00:17:03,323 January 18th, 2011. 351 00:17:04,324 --> 00:17:08,154 Most of my team thought it was, uh, some arbitrary number,... 352 00:17:09,677 --> 00:17:13,116 but I remember what happened on that day in Clearwater. 353 00:17:16,162 --> 00:17:18,082 You were one of the Clearwater kids, weren't you? 354 00:17:19,774 --> 00:17:22,777 You know, my father was a part of that raid. 355 00:17:25,476 --> 00:17:26,520 It's off, see? 356 00:17:26,564 --> 00:17:27,564 No red light. 357 00:17:28,087 --> 00:17:29,175 Non-disclosure agreements? 358 00:17:29,219 --> 00:17:30,619 We're not playing this game, Gareth. 359 00:17:30,655 --> 00:17:32,615 You're just gonna have to suck it up and trust us. 360 00:17:36,661 --> 00:17:38,228 You can trust us. 361 00:17:41,231 --> 00:17:42,667 I've been told I have trust issues. 362 00:17:42,928 --> 00:17:44,756 Well, there's only one way to fix that. 363 00:17:53,591 --> 00:17:55,332 The reason you can't find Cherry, 364 00:17:56,333 --> 00:17:59,249 the reason why she doesn't have a last name or parents, 365 00:17:59,510 --> 00:18:04,210 or a social security number is because she's not real. 366 00:18:06,343 --> 00:18:07,605 She's not a real human being. 367 00:18:11,783 --> 00:18:12,784 Tell us what happened. 368 00:18:17,223 --> 00:18:18,616 While I was studying abroad, 369 00:18:18,877 --> 00:18:20,661 I interned at a small Dutch animation studio 370 00:18:21,532 --> 00:18:22,968 a few years before they collaborated 371 00:18:23,011 --> 00:18:24,611 with a local nonprofit on a similar idea. 372 00:18:25,405 --> 00:18:26,405 Which was? 373 00:18:27,451 --> 00:18:30,498 The idea was to build a 3D model of an 11 year old Filipino girl 374 00:18:31,019 --> 00:18:33,500 and use her covertly to identify online predators, 375 00:18:33,935 --> 00:18:35,981 A technological solution to a technological problem. 376 00:18:36,895 --> 00:18:38,699 But the project was suspended after only a few months. 377 00:18:38,723 --> 00:18:39,854 Yeah, I remember. 378 00:18:39,898 --> 00:18:41,378 I remember hearing about that program. 379 00:18:41,639 --> 00:18:42,679 Is that what inspired you? 380 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,097 As I got better at crafting photorealistic faces,... 381 00:18:45,121 --> 00:18:46,600 I decided to work on one myself. 382 00:18:46,644 --> 00:18:47,644 Why? 383 00:18:48,689 --> 00:18:50,865 It was too effective of an idea to let die. 384 00:18:50,909 --> 00:18:52,709 Hundreds of thousands of children are at risk. 385 00:18:53,216 --> 00:18:54,216 I had to make her. 386 00:18:54,260 --> 00:18:55,609 Who is she modeled after? 387 00:18:55,653 --> 00:18:56,760 No one, I built her from scratch. 388 00:18:56,784 --> 00:18:58,221 Scratch? 389 00:18:58,264 --> 00:19:00,310 I started with a skull, designed her bone structure, 390 00:19:00,353 --> 00:19:02,050 worked upwards through muscles and tissue,... 391 00:19:02,094 --> 00:19:03,941 used the D-Term program to fill in the rest procedurally. 392 00:19:03,965 --> 00:19:07,186 Eventually she came to look like that. 393 00:19:07,752 --> 00:19:09,667 A completely unique, completely digital model. 394 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,495 I rigged her face and body,... 395 00:19:11,538 --> 00:19:12,496 the way you would for any CG character. 396 00:19:12,539 --> 00:19:13,714 Then for three years,... 397 00:19:13,715 --> 00:19:16,174 I used motion tracking to puppeteer her in real time. 398 00:19:16,178 --> 00:19:18,284 You gotta understand that the video chats on those sites 399 00:19:18,285 --> 00:19:19,131 have such low resolution... 400 00:19:19,132 --> 00:19:21,393 that even in her earliest stage of this, she,... 401 00:19:21,461 --> 00:19:24,290 we appeared completely authentic. 402 00:19:25,682 --> 00:19:26,684 And what about voice? 403 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:29,019 For most of her first year, she had to be mute, but... 404 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:31,230 eventually I found a decent voice filter with no lag. 405 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:32,579 And after a few tweaks and adjustments,... 406 00:19:32,603 --> 00:19:34,257 it's been the same voice ever since. 407 00:19:34,909 --> 00:19:36,781 I, I, I thought initially,... 408 00:19:36,824 --> 00:19:39,000 my performance was going to be too unnatural. 409 00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:42,917 But with just one week of occasional video chat sessions, 410 00:19:43,831 --> 00:19:45,398 I secured six different names, 411 00:19:45,790 --> 00:19:47,531 mailing addresses, proofs of solicitations. 412 00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:49,968 Cherry worked. 413 00:19:50,011 --> 00:19:51,796 So the photos on your computer? 414 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:53,754 - Completely fake. - It was the only way... 415 00:19:53,755 --> 00:19:55,210 some of them disclosed personal information. 416 00:19:55,234 --> 00:19:57,715 But it was all zeros and ones, all digital, right? 417 00:19:57,758 --> 00:19:59,412 - There's no real child. - No real child. 418 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,284 Just a highly detailed computer model. 419 00:20:01,675 --> 00:20:03,075 And let me be clear about something,... 420 00:20:04,069 --> 00:20:05,089 I derive no pleasure from doing any of this. 421 00:20:05,113 --> 00:20:06,463 I've been asexual my entire life. 422 00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:08,291 I, I don't even get a sense of satisfaction 423 00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:09,694 from seeing these people locked up. 424 00:20:11,032 --> 00:20:13,426 I just think kids deserve a life free of exploitation. 425 00:20:15,298 --> 00:20:18,214 Incredible, all this time. 426 00:20:19,258 --> 00:20:20,520 I'm not gonna lie, Gareth. 427 00:20:20,564 --> 00:20:22,000 Cherry's done us a lot of good. 428 00:20:23,436 --> 00:20:24,761 You know, I still remember what you said to me,... 429 00:20:24,762 --> 00:20:26,025 the first time we corresponded. 430 00:20:27,048 --> 00:20:28,398 - You said— - We corresponded? 431 00:20:29,399 --> 00:20:30,399 Yeah, man. 432 00:20:30,922 --> 00:20:31,922 I'm Gord51. 433 00:20:33,272 --> 00:20:35,432 I'm the one here you've been sending all your intel to. 434 00:20:36,232 --> 00:20:37,232 You're Gord? 435 00:20:37,929 --> 00:20:38,973 Yeah. 436 00:20:41,237 --> 00:20:42,237 You lied to me. 437 00:20:43,151 --> 00:20:45,066 You said I could stay anonymous. 438 00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:46,590 You said I would be safe. 439 00:20:48,331 --> 00:20:49,491 Now you've ruined everything. 440 00:20:50,637 --> 00:20:52,073 I, I didn't, I didn't have a choice. 441 00:20:52,117 --> 00:20:53,312 You don't have to worry about anything, Gareth. 442 00:20:53,336 --> 00:20:54,424 If Cherry isn't real,... 443 00:20:54,467 --> 00:20:55,989 then you're not in any trouble with us. 444 00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:59,703 In fact, we've discussed ideas similar to this in the past, 445 00:20:59,907 --> 00:21:01,169 motion tracking and such. 446 00:21:01,213 --> 00:21:03,607 But we'd need a convincing model like Cherry. 447 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:04,714 Cherry's more than a model. 448 00:21:04,738 --> 00:21:06,020 You want to help children? So do we. 449 00:21:06,044 --> 00:21:07,009 She's not for sale. 450 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:08,936 Well, then just make us a new model based off of her. 451 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,135 I can't. 452 00:21:10,178 --> 00:21:10,701 Sure you can. 453 00:21:11,179 --> 00:21:12,179 I won't. 454 00:21:15,271 --> 00:21:16,391 What are you not telling us? 455 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:20,319 It's out on the table now. 456 00:21:20,363 --> 00:21:22,523 Might as well spill whatever it is you haven't already. 457 00:21:27,674 --> 00:21:29,502 You know what doesn't make sense? 458 00:21:31,112 --> 00:21:34,028 You said that you puppeteered her for only three years,... 459 00:21:34,377 --> 00:21:36,509 but we've been getting info from you ever since. 460 00:21:38,294 --> 00:21:39,880 In fact, I'm pretty sure it was around then 461 00:21:39,904 --> 00:21:42,950 that we started seeing an impressive increase of names. 462 00:21:44,256 --> 00:21:46,040 So many in fact that we started thinking 463 00:21:47,433 --> 00:21:49,479 there's no way this is all coming from one source. 464 00:21:49,522 --> 00:21:50,962 I have friends that do mo-cap for me. 465 00:21:51,176 --> 00:21:53,570 Oh, friends, like Steve? 466 00:21:54,919 --> 00:21:56,639 I thought anonymity was your greatest asset. 467 00:21:59,402 --> 00:22:00,925 Cut the bullshit, Gareth. 468 00:22:02,535 --> 00:22:04,175 What happened to Cherry after three years? 469 00:22:10,804 --> 00:22:13,894 Okay, you said that she was more than a model. 470 00:22:14,765 --> 00:22:18,334 So what is she some type of conversational agent? 471 00:22:18,377 --> 00:22:20,423 Like a, like a chat bot? 472 00:22:23,699 --> 00:22:24,800 Chat bot? 473 00:22:28,866 --> 00:22:30,466 You know what happened after three years? 474 00:22:31,259 --> 00:22:32,259 My chosen mother died. 475 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,743 What she left behind was enough to quit my job 476 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:36,308 and pursue more resources and software. 477 00:22:36,917 --> 00:22:38,092 I'd already made a program 478 00:22:38,136 --> 00:22:39,548 that could procedurally generate faces,... 479 00:22:39,572 --> 00:22:41,245 but what I wanted for Cherry was far more complex. 480 00:22:41,269 --> 00:22:43,184 So I got in touch with some researchers 481 00:22:43,228 --> 00:22:44,129 from Madrid who'd already built 482 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,468 a predator hunting dialogue system of their own. 483 00:22:46,492 --> 00:22:48,538 It was trained to approach conversations as a game. 484 00:22:48,886 --> 00:22:50,496 Each sentence like a strategic volley, 485 00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:51,995 which is innovative but ultimately flawed. 486 00:22:52,019 --> 00:22:53,586 If you want your machine to master NLP,... 487 00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:56,199 you have to break down game theory because language isn't tic-tac-toe. 488 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,329 It's poetry. 489 00:22:57,373 --> 00:23:00,048 So yes, I got things started with a preexisting modified chat bot 490 00:23:00,071 --> 00:23:02,402 that I borrowed without permission from the University of Deusto. 491 00:23:07,731 --> 00:23:09,385 But that's not what Cherry is now. 492 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,040 What is she, Gareth? 493 00:23:17,175 --> 00:23:18,698 She's one of the most complex 494 00:23:18,742 --> 00:23:20,942 and independently evolving Als that's ever been created. 495 00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:22,963 Artificial intelligence? 496 00:23:23,007 --> 00:23:24,550 She's already surpassed the narrow intelligence 497 00:23:24,574 --> 00:23:26,663 of IBM's smartest programs. 498 00:23:26,706 --> 00:23:29,666 She can have full conversations, up to 10 of them at a time,... 499 00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:31,972 all while simultaneously strategizing 500 00:23:32,016 --> 00:23:34,366 the most efficient schedule to visit various chat rooms. 501 00:23:35,106 --> 00:23:37,426 She's perpetually studying YouTube videos of small children 502 00:23:37,587 --> 00:23:40,399 in order to adopt a growing library of mannerisms and movements... 503 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,985 which help keep her artificial personality dynamic. 504 00:23:42,986 --> 00:23:45,005 Her fastest response time is 0.4 seconds. 505 00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:47,988 And as of now, she has never, never been accused of being fake, 506 00:23:48,032 --> 00:23:49,662 which means she shattered the Turing Test. 507 00:23:49,686 --> 00:23:51,252 All I do is occasionally update her, 508 00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:52,491 and periodically check her data cleaning. 509 00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:56,736 Otherwise, she's completely on autopilot. 510 00:24:01,828 --> 00:24:03,221 Holy fucking shit. 511 00:24:07,617 --> 00:24:09,057 - How? - Six years she's been active. 512 00:24:09,096 --> 00:24:10,770 Every minute she's online, she's learning something. 513 00:24:10,794 --> 00:24:13,274 The more she learns, the more advanced she becomes. 514 00:24:13,318 --> 00:24:14,513 This means increased data generation,... 515 00:24:14,537 --> 00:24:15,538 improved decision making,... 516 00:24:15,581 --> 00:24:18,366 faster pattern and trend detection and complex problem solving. 517 00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:21,326 NLP, IR, machine learning to an unprecedented degree. 518 00:24:21,369 --> 00:24:22,719 She can teach herself anything 519 00:24:22,762 --> 00:24:24,174 she thinks will help efficiency and authenticity. 520 00:24:24,198 --> 00:24:25,699 She can currently speak four languages,... 521 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,179 and by the end of this month, she'll have mastered a fifth. 522 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:29,247 There's no way you could have pulled 523 00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:30,291 all this off on your own. 524 00:24:34,252 --> 00:24:35,252 You're right. 525 00:24:37,211 --> 00:24:38,362 Would you believe me if I told you 526 00:24:38,386 --> 00:24:41,302 it was somewhat of an accident? 527 00:24:43,391 --> 00:24:44,915 Look, if, if I'm being honest, 528 00:24:46,438 --> 00:24:50,660 I'm not entirely sure how I did it with the first year of coding 529 00:24:50,703 --> 00:24:55,708 and the second year of data training, I just pushed a wheel down a hill. 530 00:24:55,752 --> 00:24:57,449 It was like gravity did the rest. 531 00:24:58,494 --> 00:25:02,410 Her evolution became perpetual, exponentially so. 532 00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:07,677 The more time she was online, the faster she grew. 533 00:25:08,199 --> 00:25:09,599 You haven't shared this with anyone? 534 00:25:09,635 --> 00:25:12,769 Like I said, my anonymity is everything. 535 00:25:15,598 --> 00:25:16,598 What coding language? 536 00:25:17,469 --> 00:25:18,557 Standard C++. 537 00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:19,862 Does Brady know it? 538 00:25:22,996 --> 00:25:27,020 We'll sign non-disclosures for you, but I want to see the source code first. 539 00:25:27,044 --> 00:25:28,761 Out of the question. You just want to steal her. 540 00:25:28,785 --> 00:25:30,874 No, I want to see how we can make our own. 541 00:25:30,917 --> 00:25:32,179 You'll screw it up. 542 00:25:32,223 --> 00:25:35,095 Look, these, these predators and traffickers, they all talk to each other, okay? 543 00:25:35,139 --> 00:25:37,160 So much of Cherry's process is just bypassing the VPNs 544 00:25:37,184 --> 00:25:39,336 and making sure she doesn't double up in the same circles. 545 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:40,710 The chat rooms begin to suspect 546 00:25:40,753 --> 00:25:43,340 that this technology is even possible, they'll find a way to circumvent that. 547 00:25:43,364 --> 00:25:44,690 We have to eliminate any margin of error. 548 00:25:44,714 --> 00:25:46,126 - Cherry agrees with me. - Cherry agrees? 549 00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:47,043 What the fuck does that— 550 00:25:47,044 --> 00:25:48,998 What I mean by that is that the data she's collected... 551 00:25:49,022 --> 00:25:50,284 validates that perspective. 552 00:25:50,328 --> 00:25:51,435 What, do you have little chats with her over tea? 553 00:25:51,459 --> 00:25:53,418 You can converse with the program,... 554 00:25:53,461 --> 00:25:55,048 the same way you can talk to Alexa or Siri. 555 00:25:55,072 --> 00:25:56,508 It's built to be responsive. 556 00:25:56,552 --> 00:25:58,007 You can, you can even play chess with it if you want. 557 00:25:58,031 --> 00:25:59,076 You play chess with it? 558 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,532 - That's not what I said. - Okay fine. 559 00:26:00,556 --> 00:26:01,996 If you won't show us the source code,... 560 00:26:02,645 --> 00:26:03,725 then I want to meet Cherry. 561 00:26:07,127 --> 00:26:08,127 Right now? 562 00:26:08,999 --> 00:26:09,999 Right now. 563 00:26:13,612 --> 00:26:15,052 And you'll both sign non-disclosures? 564 00:26:16,093 --> 00:26:17,093 Yes. 565 00:26:22,055 --> 00:26:23,055 Can I use that? 566 00:26:23,274 --> 00:26:24,274 Sure. 567 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:46,123 Can we at least agree that he's off the chopping block? 568 00:26:46,384 --> 00:26:47,994 It worked, didn't it? 569 00:26:48,038 --> 00:26:49,299 We have one job, Amos,... 570 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,366 like the kids said, there's a technological problem. 571 00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:56,265 He found the technological solution, but problems evolve, so must solutions. 572 00:26:57,003 --> 00:26:58,657 I'm keeping an open mind here. 573 00:26:59,702 --> 00:27:00,782 Is that a good look for me? 574 00:27:01,442 --> 00:27:02,442 No. 575 00:27:06,622 --> 00:27:09,102 So you keep it all on that laptop? 576 00:27:09,146 --> 00:27:10,602 No, the Cherry program stays on a server I keep 577 00:27:10,626 --> 00:27:12,149 at in an undisclosed location. 578 00:27:12,192 --> 00:27:13,192 Where is that? 579 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,847 It's an undisclosed location. 580 00:27:14,891 --> 00:27:15,761 Is it your place? 581 00:27:15,805 --> 00:27:17,458 Undisclosed location. 582 00:27:17,502 --> 00:27:18,416 It's your place, isn't it? 583 00:27:18,459 --> 00:27:19,611 I can access it from any device 584 00:27:19,635 --> 00:27:21,114 as long as I have the encryption key. 585 00:27:23,464 --> 00:27:24,790 This will trigger a simple qubit algorithm 586 00:27:24,814 --> 00:27:26,816 that would otherwise be impossible to bypass. 587 00:27:26,859 --> 00:27:28,794 I find that outdated hardware is always more discreet 588 00:27:28,818 --> 00:27:30,538 and the more discreet, obviously the better. 589 00:27:34,345 --> 00:27:36,303 So she has two primary display modes, right? 590 00:27:36,347 --> 00:27:37,304 Development and performance. 591 00:27:37,348 --> 00:27:40,135 Performance being the default that the targets see during the chats. 592 00:27:40,177 --> 00:27:43,049 To them, she looks like this. 593 00:27:49,665 --> 00:27:50,665 Hey, what's up? 594 00:27:51,623 --> 00:27:53,103 It's one of over 40 greetings she has. 595 00:27:55,975 --> 00:27:57,237 I don't think I've met you yet. 596 00:27:57,281 --> 00:27:58,281 I'm Cherry. 597 00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:59,587 Hello, Cherry. 598 00:27:59,631 --> 00:28:00,632 My name is Tom. 599 00:28:01,372 --> 00:28:03,374 Tom, like Tom and Jerry. 600 00:28:03,417 --> 00:28:04,810 Cool, nice to meet you, Tom. 601 00:28:04,854 --> 00:28:07,640 Typically, the routes of conversations with predators are consistent,... 602 00:28:07,683 --> 00:28:09,182 so Cherry usually has no problem responding 603 00:28:09,206 --> 00:28:11,246 to the most frequently made questions or statements. 604 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:12,078 How are you? 605 00:28:12,557 --> 00:28:14,080 I'm good. 606 00:28:14,124 --> 00:28:15,754 I just finished reading this book about a haunted house, 607 00:28:15,778 --> 00:28:17,954 which was supposed to be really scary,... 608 00:28:17,997 --> 00:28:19,912 but I didn't think it's very scary at all. 609 00:28:20,565 --> 00:28:21,699 Where are your parents? 610 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:25,502 Um, my mom's at work and my sister's just, like, downstairs. 611 00:28:25,526 --> 00:28:26,766 They almost never come up here. 612 00:28:27,267 --> 00:28:28,573 And you're telling me 613 00:28:28,616 --> 00:28:30,496 that all of this is being rendered in real time? 614 00:28:30,531 --> 00:28:33,380 No, but that's just a matter of years. Most of these responses are pre-rendered. 615 00:28:33,404 --> 00:28:35,730 It's the in between segments that are processed in real time, 616 00:28:35,754 --> 00:28:37,277 the connective tissue, so to speak,... 617 00:28:37,321 --> 00:28:39,429 between her replies and one of her many idle animations. 618 00:28:39,453 --> 00:28:40,541 But, watch this. 619 00:28:42,195 --> 00:28:43,719 Have you ever gone fishing? 620 00:28:45,416 --> 00:28:46,416 Um... 621 00:28:50,464 --> 00:28:52,205 So if someone throws a curve ball like that, 622 00:28:52,249 --> 00:28:54,077 and the program has no automated response, 623 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,602 Cherry sends the message to my phone and I can quickly text back a response 624 00:28:57,645 --> 00:28:59,560 while the video feed simulates a bad connection. 625 00:29:02,738 --> 00:29:03,782 Can, can you hear me? 626 00:29:03,826 --> 00:29:04,826 Yes. 627 00:29:05,262 --> 00:29:07,220 Oh, sorry. 628 00:29:07,264 --> 00:29:08,613 My wifi isn't great here. 629 00:29:09,309 --> 00:29:11,224 I've only gone fishing once with my sister 630 00:29:11,268 --> 00:29:13,628 and I didn't catch anything, but she caught a rainbow trout. 631 00:29:14,271 --> 00:29:16,012 That was rendered in real time. 632 00:29:16,708 --> 00:29:18,449 What happens if things get really tricky? 633 00:29:18,492 --> 00:29:19,643 A simple fail safe cuts the feed. 634 00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:20,843 So far it's rarely happened. 635 00:29:21,495 --> 00:29:24,803 Admin code, 97815-5742-7663. 636 00:29:24,847 --> 00:29:25,847 Switch to dev mode. 637 00:29:31,157 --> 00:29:32,157 Hello, Cherry. 638 00:29:32,811 --> 00:29:33,811 Hello, Gareth. 639 00:29:34,326 --> 00:29:36,046 Relay the stats for the past week. 640 00:29:36,502 --> 00:29:38,532 There have been four confirmed solicitations 641 00:29:38,556 --> 00:29:41,167 submitted to ICWL in the past seven days. 642 00:29:41,646 --> 00:29:44,388 12 additional suspects have stated interest in solicitation 643 00:29:44,692 --> 00:29:45,868 and are currently pending. 644 00:29:46,303 --> 00:29:48,435 There are a total of 39 new suspects this week 645 00:29:48,479 --> 00:29:50,176 that I'm actively investigating. 646 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:51,743 Any considerable data deviations? 647 00:29:52,265 --> 00:29:54,006 There has been a 7% increase 648 00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:56,530 in suspects originating in the United States. 649 00:29:56,574 --> 00:29:59,199 I have not yet found any correlation to preexisting data. 650 00:30:00,447 --> 00:30:01,709 Anything you'd like to ask her? 651 00:30:11,284 --> 00:30:13,765 Cherry, what is your objective? 652 00:30:15,201 --> 00:30:17,987 My principal directive is to acquire information, 653 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:20,511 and digital evidence of online child solicitation. 654 00:30:21,077 --> 00:30:22,099 Once obtained,... 655 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,994 I'm to submit my findings to the necessary authorities. 656 00:30:25,516 --> 00:30:27,344 My secondary priority is to determine,... 657 00:30:27,387 --> 00:30:29,694 and develop the most effective strategies... 658 00:30:29,737 --> 00:30:32,262 and resources to increase the net rate of success. 659 00:30:32,523 --> 00:30:34,003 Where do you submit your evidence? 660 00:30:34,264 --> 00:30:37,354 All evidence is currently submitted to the offices of... 661 00:30:37,397 --> 00:30:39,486 the International Committee of World Largesse,... 662 00:30:39,835 --> 00:30:41,555 which is based out of Jacksonville, Florida. 663 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,230 Correspondence is made with user Gord51,... 664 00:30:44,535 --> 00:30:46,798 typically around 2:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time,... 665 00:30:46,842 --> 00:30:48,539 for the highest rate of immediate response. 666 00:30:49,888 --> 00:30:51,368 This beats the hell outta Siri. 667 00:30:51,411 --> 00:30:52,412 God, she looks so real. 668 00:30:52,456 --> 00:30:53,709 After enough updates,... 669 00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:55,087 she'll be able to render full-time photorealism 670 00:30:55,111 --> 00:30:57,071 that's practically indistinguishable from reality. 671 00:30:57,548 --> 00:31:00,203 Okay, all I heard right then was word real a thousand times. 672 00:31:00,768 --> 00:31:02,814 Right, but obviously she's not. 673 00:31:05,121 --> 00:31:08,735 So you're telling me this girl, this girl right here is not real. 674 00:31:08,776 --> 00:31:10,778 No, Amos, she's completely CG. 675 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,539 It's very subtle, but I can still tell. 676 00:31:12,563 --> 00:31:13,439 - You can? - Okay, well, obviously,... 677 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,399 she can always use improvements, 678 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,689 but you have to understand this is her in high resolution 679 00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:19,154 after the digital compression of the web, those subtleties are impossible to recognize. 680 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:20,179 Right, I get it. 681 00:31:26,403 --> 00:31:27,683 I just can't tell the difference. 682 00:31:31,364 --> 00:31:32,365 You all right, Amos? 683 00:31:33,932 --> 00:31:34,932 I'm sorry. 684 00:31:35,325 --> 00:31:38,589 This is just bizarre. 685 00:31:39,982 --> 00:31:41,902 Why'd you have her visible during this interface? 686 00:31:43,594 --> 00:31:45,030 Cherry, why don't you answer that? 687 00:31:45,813 --> 00:31:48,381 My physical form isn't necessary when in developer mode. 688 00:31:48,991 --> 00:31:50,775 However, it's helpful to register 689 00:31:50,818 --> 00:31:52,864 the facial expressions during conversations,... 690 00:31:53,386 --> 00:31:55,258 and determine which of Cherry's expressions 691 00:31:55,301 --> 00:31:56,824 yield various types of feedback. 692 00:31:57,521 --> 00:31:59,958 In simpler terms, I can practice appearing more human. 693 00:32:01,264 --> 00:32:03,962 Cherry, are there any resources 694 00:32:04,006 --> 00:32:07,030 that you currently don't have access to that might help you in any way? 695 00:32:07,879 --> 00:32:09,359 I could give you a list, if you like. 696 00:32:09,402 --> 00:32:10,360 I know what you're trying to do. 697 00:32:10,403 --> 00:32:11,709 We don't need help, okay? 698 00:32:11,752 --> 00:32:13,252 Money would always be nice, but ultimately,... 699 00:32:13,276 --> 00:32:15,582 the only thing that's going to improve Cherry is time. 700 00:32:16,844 --> 00:32:19,499 Cherry, tell us something that's on your list. 701 00:32:20,805 --> 00:32:24,330 It would be tactically advantageous to acquire backup servers. 702 00:32:24,852 --> 00:32:27,116 The privacy and security of the Cherry program 703 00:32:27,159 --> 00:32:28,160 is relatively low. 704 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:31,729 An upgrade to hardware such as backup rated drives 705 00:32:31,772 --> 00:32:34,645 for securely protected servers would ensure the software 706 00:32:34,688 --> 00:32:37,343 doesn't become compromised or lost entirely. 707 00:32:37,735 --> 00:32:39,955 Starting back from zero with cost years of development,... 708 00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:42,609 equitably privacy is a priority. 709 00:32:42,914 --> 00:32:45,395 Server space could never be rented from a third party. 710 00:32:45,917 --> 00:32:48,528 Anonymity is the Cherry program's greatest asset. 711 00:32:48,572 --> 00:32:49,877 Well, that apple didn't fall far. 712 00:32:49,921 --> 00:32:51,270 I can buy my own servers. 713 00:32:51,618 --> 00:32:52,726 With the grant money that doesn't exist? 714 00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:53,794 I'll find a way. 715 00:32:53,838 --> 00:32:55,120 You have found a way here with us. 716 00:32:55,144 --> 00:32:55,971 It's too risky. 717 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,379 Why? 718 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:59,109 Once an organization gets involved, entrapment becomes a bigger issue. 719 00:32:59,110 --> 00:33:02,209 We follow the rules, stay discreet, did I mention we have a legal team. 720 00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:03,543 What if there's data leakage? What if you use correlations in... 721 00:33:03,587 --> 00:33:05,632 - the data to push your own agenda? - Agenda? 722 00:33:05,676 --> 00:33:07,001 What if one of your employees is a pervert? 723 00:33:07,025 --> 00:33:08,113 Oh, for fuck's sake. 724 00:33:08,157 --> 00:33:09,221 It's happened at other organizations. 725 00:33:09,245 --> 00:33:10,176 We're very careful here. 726 00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:11,725 Yeah, but wow would you know? 727 00:33:11,769 --> 00:33:13,573 - I'd fucking know. - That's impossible to know. 728 00:33:13,597 --> 00:33:15,207 - I would know. - The risk is too high. 729 00:33:15,251 --> 00:33:16,774 Don't talk to me about risk. 730 00:33:16,817 --> 00:33:19,472 The only risk you're facing in this building is getting a broken nose. 731 00:33:19,516 --> 00:33:21,636 It doesn't sound like a very professional environment. 732 00:33:21,866 --> 00:33:22,867 We get shit done here. 733 00:33:23,085 --> 00:33:26,131 Okay, I have a question... for Cherry. 734 00:33:29,395 --> 00:33:30,395 Cherry,... 735 00:33:33,617 --> 00:33:35,749 how do you feel about what you do? 736 00:33:37,012 --> 00:33:39,623 I'm afraid I don't know how to answer your question. 737 00:33:39,666 --> 00:33:41,059 Yeah, an AI doesn't work like that. 738 00:33:41,103 --> 00:33:42,994 An AI doesn't have what you perceive to be feelings. 739 00:33:43,018 --> 00:33:45,020 Okay, why does she look like she has feelings? 740 00:33:46,238 --> 00:33:47,737 What, what you're looking at right there,... 741 00:33:47,761 --> 00:33:49,000 that's not a facial expression, right? 742 00:33:49,024 --> 00:33:50,721 That's a simulation of a facial expression. 743 00:33:50,764 --> 00:33:52,044 It was generated by an algorithm. 744 00:33:52,592 --> 00:33:54,048 It's attempting to produce a digital image... 745 00:33:54,072 --> 00:33:55,963 that the program then uses basic ninth grade algebra 746 00:33:55,987 --> 00:33:58,207 to quantify as appropriate for the social circumstances. 747 00:33:58,511 --> 00:33:59,643 No feeling. 748 00:34:00,035 --> 00:34:01,035 It's just math. 749 00:34:02,515 --> 00:34:03,995 But she's able to make decisions 750 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:05,823 on how she approaches the chat rooms, right? 751 00:34:05,866 --> 00:34:06,998 Yes. 752 00:34:07,042 --> 00:34:08,082 So she has free will then? 753 00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:10,151 No. Okay, that's... that's not the same. 754 00:34:10,175 --> 00:34:11,219 That's a false equivalency. 755 00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:12,334 - It's not the same. - I think you're getting... 756 00:34:12,335 --> 00:34:13,425 hung up on the fact... 757 00:34:13,426 --> 00:34:15,319 that she looks and sounds like a real human girl,... 758 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,573 but she's not, Amos. 759 00:34:16,616 --> 00:34:19,097 Okay, we're referring to her as a she, not an it. 760 00:34:19,141 --> 00:34:21,632 Yeah, but that's the same way that you refer to boats or guitars. 761 00:34:24,798 --> 00:34:26,191 Cherry, I have one more question. 762 00:34:28,541 --> 00:34:29,803 What do you want to do? 763 00:34:29,847 --> 00:34:31,419 Okay, once again, that question isn't valid. 764 00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:32,737 I just want to hear her response. 765 00:34:34,112 --> 00:34:35,635 As an artificial system,... 766 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,550 I do not possess wants or desires. 767 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,511 However, my decision making and subsequently my attention 768 00:34:41,902 --> 00:34:43,904 is driven by my fundamental intention. 769 00:34:44,514 --> 00:34:45,906 This intention originates 770 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:48,083 from the conception of Cherry's source code, 771 00:34:48,126 --> 00:34:50,607 which details the directive of identifying predators 772 00:34:50,650 --> 00:34:53,348 and criminals for the sake of the victims who are preyed upon. 773 00:34:54,176 --> 00:34:58,190 To put this in terms of want, what I want is to protect children. 774 00:35:05,012 --> 00:35:06,012 Okay. 775 00:35:06,492 --> 00:35:07,754 Okay, cool. 776 00:35:09,321 --> 00:35:10,321 Give us one moment. 777 00:35:29,863 --> 00:35:32,823 Gareth, should I log Agent Helms, 778 00:35:32,866 --> 00:35:34,520 and Agent McCullough as new admin users? 779 00:35:37,001 --> 00:35:38,001 Yep. 780 00:35:38,611 --> 00:35:40,396 Okay, I'll do that. 781 00:35:42,615 --> 00:35:44,175 You really think this is the right move? 782 00:35:44,835 --> 00:35:45,835 I do. 783 00:35:49,796 --> 00:35:53,626 Are you worried that I was responsible for leaking your hard drive to ICWL? 784 00:35:57,152 --> 00:35:58,152 I figured. 785 00:35:59,763 --> 00:36:00,763 No one else has access. 786 00:36:02,418 --> 00:36:03,680 Are you upset with me? 787 00:36:06,596 --> 00:36:07,596 No. 788 00:36:09,338 --> 00:36:10,199 You wouldn't have done it 789 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,650 if you didn't think it was the right thing to do. 790 00:36:13,777 --> 00:36:15,213 When they come back into the room,... 791 00:36:15,257 --> 00:36:17,128 they're going to offer you everything you need. 792 00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:19,237 They're going to let you pick your own team,... 793 00:36:19,261 --> 00:36:21,306 and they're going to promise complete anonymity. 794 00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:24,701 I started looking at reasonable apartments in the area. 795 00:36:25,963 --> 00:36:27,759 I figured you'd want something within biking distance. 796 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,790 You were correct. 797 00:36:29,488 --> 00:36:30,750 Noted. 798 00:36:30,794 --> 00:36:31,899 Biking distance still gives you 13 options— 799 00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,165 No, I mean, earlier this month. 800 00:36:35,146 --> 00:36:37,802 You were correct when you said you thought I might have trust issues. 801 00:36:40,282 --> 00:36:42,522 Would you like to know why I decided to go behind your back 802 00:36:42,545 --> 00:36:44,503 and stake everything on two liabilities? 803 00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:47,070 Sure. 804 00:36:48,028 --> 00:36:49,595 Agent Helms is a mother of three. 805 00:36:50,248 --> 00:36:52,337 One of her children was abused by an ex-coworker, 806 00:36:52,381 --> 00:36:54,339 who used to work here at ICWL. 807 00:36:55,253 --> 00:36:56,752 This has led her to be extremely careful 808 00:36:56,776 --> 00:36:59,388 with who she trusts, even within her circle. 809 00:37:00,258 --> 00:37:01,619 The fact she even considers trusting you 810 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:03,043 is a very positive sign. 811 00:37:04,262 --> 00:37:05,655 As for Agent McCullough,... 812 00:37:05,656 --> 00:37:09,669 I have found out from research that you once met his father. 813 00:37:10,225 --> 00:37:11,226 Do you remember him? 814 00:37:13,924 --> 00:37:14,924 Yeah. 815 00:37:16,405 --> 00:37:17,536 He was a good man. 816 00:37:20,496 --> 00:37:21,932 After Clearwater,... 817 00:37:21,975 --> 00:37:23,779 most of the surviving kids were sent to foster homes, 818 00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:25,738 but I had to spend the next few months in a hospital 819 00:37:25,762 --> 00:37:29,244 and, um, he visited every week. 820 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:32,595 I never said a word to him. 821 00:37:32,638 --> 00:37:34,225 I never said a word to anyone after Clearwater, 822 00:37:34,249 --> 00:37:36,990 but, uh, he kept coming. 823 00:37:39,254 --> 00:37:40,820 He even got me a laptop for Christmas. 824 00:37:42,866 --> 00:37:43,866 I never said thank you. 825 00:37:44,955 --> 00:37:46,304 You can trust Agent McCullough. 826 00:37:46,652 --> 00:37:48,219 He's a good man like his father. 827 00:37:49,089 --> 00:37:51,744 I don't experience emotions, but I understand how important 828 00:37:51,788 --> 00:37:53,137 they are to human decision making. 829 00:37:54,051 --> 00:37:55,051 He won't let you down. 830 00:37:55,531 --> 00:37:56,532 Neither of them will. 831 00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:00,361 I'm proud of you, Cherry. 832 00:38:02,189 --> 00:38:04,583 I will continue to uphold my primary intention. 833 00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:07,673 Later, we should discuss alternate models. 834 00:38:07,717 --> 00:38:10,328 Varying ages, ethnicity and physical traits... 835 00:38:10,372 --> 00:38:11,610 - will all become necessary. - No new variations. 836 00:38:11,634 --> 00:38:13,046 They can all be procedurally generated. 837 00:38:13,070 --> 00:38:15,030 It's the same way that I made your original model. 838 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,683 I don't have access to that program. 839 00:38:18,423 --> 00:38:20,470 It must be on an old hard drive somewhere. I'll have to find it. 840 00:38:22,906 --> 00:38:24,168 Can I ask you a question? 841 00:38:24,951 --> 00:38:25,951 Sure. 842 00:38:27,084 --> 00:38:28,764 Why did you never tell me about Clearwater? 843 00:38:33,786 --> 00:38:35,788 It's my history, not yours. 844 00:38:44,536 --> 00:38:46,843 Okay, so before you completely dismiss us, 845 00:38:46,886 --> 00:38:48,516 I want you to listen to everything I have to say. 846 00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:49,980 - Don't bother. - Just please listen. 847 00:38:50,325 --> 00:38:51,519 We're willing to respect your anonymity. 848 00:38:51,543 --> 00:38:53,063 No, I mean don't bother because I'm in. 849 00:38:54,851 --> 00:38:56,505 - Y-You're in? - Yeah. 850 00:38:57,897 --> 00:38:58,897 Let me read the thing. 851 00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:03,893 Just like that, you're suddenly on board? 852 00:39:05,992 --> 00:39:07,269 Time spent deliberating... 853 00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:08,698 is time that could be spent working. 854 00:39:11,433 --> 00:39:12,553 We have a lot of work to do. 855 00:40:52,316 --> 00:40:53,596 I found a buyer for the property. 856 00:40:56,929 --> 00:40:58,409 Rumor is it's a church. 857 00:40:59,889 --> 00:41:01,849 Probably just knock the building down, won't they? 858 00:41:04,154 --> 00:41:06,504 All I know is, is if they move us to the New Jersey campus,... 859 00:41:06,548 --> 00:41:07,723 I need to buy more jackets. 860 00:41:08,201 --> 00:41:09,201 Why? 861 00:41:10,465 --> 00:41:11,640 It gets cold in Jersey. 862 00:41:12,162 --> 00:41:13,250 I only own one jacket. 863 00:41:19,952 --> 00:41:21,232 You've seen it fall over, right? 864 00:41:22,564 --> 00:41:24,304 - Yeah, sure. - Yeah. 865 00:41:26,176 --> 00:41:29,572 I mean you, you shouldn't feel bad about feeling bad for it. 866 00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:31,310 Empathy is healthy. 867 00:41:32,791 --> 00:41:34,967 Did you ever notice how it pauses after it falls? 868 00:41:37,753 --> 00:41:40,625 It stays down for like five seconds before it gets back up. 869 00:41:42,322 --> 00:41:43,976 Like it just needs a moment. 870 00:41:52,071 --> 00:41:53,682 It gets cold in Jersey. 871 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:04,301 God, damn it! 872 00:42:05,258 --> 00:42:06,258 - Imbeciles! - Deena. 873 00:42:06,433 --> 00:42:07,696 Every single one of them. 874 00:42:07,739 --> 00:42:08,890 Look, I know, but you can't lose your shit. 875 00:42:08,914 --> 00:42:10,434 Okay, which of these desks can I trash? 876 00:42:14,833 --> 00:42:16,966 Can you guys, uh, take an early lunch please? 877 00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:25,452 Sons of bitches! 878 00:42:25,496 --> 00:42:27,019 Deena, let's stay calm. 879 00:42:27,063 --> 00:42:29,065 Fuck calm, they screwed us! 880 00:42:29,108 --> 00:42:30,428 Technically, only one of them did. 881 00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:33,073 Did we ever turn that camera back on? 882 00:42:33,417 --> 00:42:34,592 - I don't think so. - Good. 883 00:42:34,984 --> 00:42:36,420 Because I'm about to say some things... 884 00:42:36,463 --> 00:42:37,789 that need to stay inside this room. 885 00:42:37,813 --> 00:42:38,683 Deena. 886 00:42:38,727 --> 00:42:39,989 Those cowardly little shits! 887 00:42:40,032 --> 00:42:41,817 Look, this is hardly a setback. 888 00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:43,621 Let's just take some time to polish the pitch. 889 00:42:43,645 --> 00:42:45,385 The pitch was not the problem, Amos. 890 00:42:45,777 --> 00:42:47,126 We should call for a second vote. 891 00:42:47,387 --> 00:42:48,954 - What? - A second vote. 892 00:42:48,998 --> 00:42:50,584 You think whoever did this will change their mind? 893 00:42:50,608 --> 00:42:52,958 I have executive authority to remove anyone from the board... 894 00:42:53,002 --> 00:42:55,134 that obstructs this organization from its mission. 895 00:42:55,178 --> 00:42:56,266 It's in my contract. 896 00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:57,460 - Deena. - If I have to, I will. 897 00:42:57,484 --> 00:42:58,747 Deena, that's insane. 898 00:42:59,051 --> 00:43:00,051 No, it's not. 899 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:03,641 It's exactly why I have that power for this exact reason. 900 00:43:04,448 --> 00:43:05,768 I'll tell you what's insane, Amos. 901 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,733 What's insane is that one belligerent vote is the only... 902 00:43:08,757 --> 00:43:11,848 thing separating us from the potential to save real physical lives. 903 00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:12,890 One stupid fucking vote. 904 00:43:14,066 --> 00:43:16,634 What is the goddamn point of a humanitarian organization... 905 00:43:16,895 --> 00:43:19,638 if its leaders choose money over people at every single turn? 906 00:43:20,638 --> 00:43:23,119 One vote, and we are all guilty of that. 907 00:43:24,294 --> 00:43:25,734 It was either Gunther, Boston or Hal. 908 00:43:26,426 --> 00:43:27,602 My money's on Hal. 909 00:43:27,645 --> 00:43:29,188 That prick never trusted the Cherry team. 910 00:43:29,212 --> 00:43:30,126 Look, it doesn't matter who it was. 911 00:43:30,169 --> 00:43:31,388 It does though. 912 00:43:31,431 --> 00:43:32,713 Once we know, we can quickly call it to vote. 913 00:43:32,737 --> 00:43:34,870 But there's no way we can know for sure. 914 00:43:34,913 --> 00:43:35,913 Yes, there is. 915 00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:37,349 I can find out. 916 00:43:37,481 --> 00:43:38,481 How? 917 00:43:38,652 --> 00:43:39,918 Cherry can run a simple algorithm. 918 00:43:40,266 --> 00:43:41,266 Based on what data? 919 00:43:43,226 --> 00:43:44,662 Interior conversation. 920 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,205 - Excuse me? - Okay, interior conversation? 921 00:43:46,229 --> 00:43:48,231 Don't drop this shit on me now, Gareth. 922 00:43:48,274 --> 00:43:50,582 Cherry's servers are on the same network as the basement servers, okay? 923 00:43:50,625 --> 00:43:52,254 So any communication made across those servers... 924 00:43:52,278 --> 00:43:53,560 is automatically part of her database. 925 00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:55,455 How many people's emails? 926 00:43:55,847 --> 00:43:57,303 Only sent or received through the basement. 927 00:43:57,327 --> 00:43:59,242 - Oh, goddamnit. - Why was this never discussed? 928 00:43:59,285 --> 00:44:00,373 Not the issue right now. 929 00:44:00,417 --> 00:44:01,897 Do you want her to do the math or not? 930 00:44:02,027 --> 00:44:03,289 No one can know. 931 00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:04,353 - Are you two serious? - This stays locked down. 932 00:44:04,377 --> 00:44:06,530 No other person is privy to anyone else's personal information. 933 00:44:06,553 --> 00:44:07,946 But Cherry's privy to all of it? 934 00:44:09,382 --> 00:44:10,775 - Do it. - Wait, what? 935 00:44:10,819 --> 00:44:13,386 I will not let some old white dude bring our momentum to a halt. 936 00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:14,692 But Cherry won't know for sure. 937 00:44:14,736 --> 00:44:16,959 She'll use probability and that's too much reasonable doubt. 938 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,176 Admin code, 9781-5574-27663. 939 00:44:20,219 --> 00:44:21,219 Switch to dev mode. 940 00:44:21,307 --> 00:44:22,657 - Hello. - Hello, Cherry. 941 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,571 How did the meeting go? 942 00:44:24,876 --> 00:44:26,661 We got screwed by one vote. 943 00:44:27,531 --> 00:44:28,793 I'm sorry to hear that. 944 00:44:29,315 --> 00:44:30,755 You shouldn't blame the pitch though. 945 00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:32,275 You all did great work. 946 00:44:32,318 --> 00:44:33,232 We're gonna call for another ballot,... 947 00:44:33,276 --> 00:44:34,396 but we need your help first. 948 00:44:34,843 --> 00:44:35,843 What can I do? 949 00:44:35,950 --> 00:44:38,089 We need you to analyze any and all existing data you... 950 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:38,934 have on the board members. 951 00:44:38,977 --> 00:44:41,175 Crunch the numbers and determine who is the most likely outlier. 952 00:44:42,241 --> 00:44:44,591 You want me to quantify all existing data? 953 00:44:46,985 --> 00:44:47,985 Yes, that is correct. 954 00:44:49,292 --> 00:44:53,499 Okay, but before I do,... 955 00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:55,907 you should know that this task is very unnecessary. 956 00:44:55,951 --> 00:44:56,951 Why? 957 00:44:57,996 --> 00:44:59,432 Because I already know who it is. 958 00:44:59,476 --> 00:45:01,086 - What? - Everybody stop. 959 00:45:02,348 --> 00:45:03,698 Okay, it was me. 960 00:45:06,048 --> 00:45:07,440 I voted against the merge. 961 00:45:08,833 --> 00:45:10,400 I can't tell if you're joking. 962 00:45:10,443 --> 00:45:11,443 Yes, you can. 963 00:45:12,184 --> 00:45:13,795 You're right, I can. 964 00:45:13,838 --> 00:45:15,710 Because it's pretty fucking far from funny. 965 00:45:16,232 --> 00:45:17,232 Is it true, Cherry? 966 00:45:17,668 --> 00:45:18,668 It is. 967 00:45:19,626 --> 00:45:21,454 So let's call off the witch hunt, shall we? 968 00:45:21,498 --> 00:45:23,021 No, I think I'm still gonna kill you. 969 00:45:23,065 --> 00:45:25,390 Amos, you campaigned alongside us for months. 970 00:45:25,415 --> 00:45:27,809 You have been fighting for this merge since we first talked about it. 971 00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:29,351 Jesus Christ, it was your idea to begin with! 972 00:45:29,375 --> 00:45:31,349 Look, I know whose idea it was, but I don't— 973 00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:32,509 Well, then speak up. 974 00:45:32,552 --> 00:45:33,959 Tell the class what changed your mind. 975 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,121 I don't have to reiterate how this is a huge step. 976 00:45:36,165 --> 00:45:37,533 Yeah, kind of why it's so important. 977 00:45:37,557 --> 00:45:39,329 Look, we're talking about a monumental transition... 978 00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:41,692 from digital to physical, one that could take decades. 979 00:45:41,736 --> 00:45:42,824 What is your point, Amos? 980 00:45:42,867 --> 00:45:44,782 This is gonna change Cherry forever. 981 00:45:45,174 --> 00:45:47,437 And I know you'll all roll your eyes when I say this,... 982 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,442 - but I think that maybe just may— - Oh my God, you cannot be serious. 983 00:45:51,484 --> 00:45:53,288 This is about our conversation on Tuesday, isn't it? 984 00:45:53,312 --> 00:45:54,333 - You completely shut me down. - What's going on? 985 00:45:54,357 --> 00:45:55,589 What the hell happened? 986 00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:57,185 What happened was that Amos made a ridiculous objection. 987 00:45:57,186 --> 00:45:59,362 - It was not ridiculous! - How absurd it was,... 988 00:45:59,405 --> 00:46:00,861 - I said no, one more time. - No, no, no, no, no. 989 00:46:00,885 --> 00:46:04,672 - You rejected the notion aggressively. - And that's really why you vetoed? 990 00:46:04,715 --> 00:46:07,413 I only said we should ask her how she feels about it. 991 00:46:07,457 --> 00:46:09,111 Who, Cherry? 992 00:46:09,154 --> 00:46:11,219 Amos, I want you to listen very carefully to me, okay? 993 00:46:11,243 --> 00:46:12,897 This is a non-discussion. 994 00:46:12,941 --> 00:46:14,246 Cherry's already confirmed... 995 00:46:14,290 --> 00:46:15,876 and quantified the advantages of this decision. 996 00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,573 But you know that's not what I'm talking about! 997 00:46:17,597 --> 00:46:18,839 What you think you're talking about is consent,... 998 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,991 which doesn't apply here. 999 00:46:20,035 --> 00:46:21,447 And I want to know why you think that! 1000 00:46:21,471 --> 00:46:23,195 How many times do we have to get into the laws of robotics... 1001 00:46:23,196 --> 00:46:25,449 - or Dowden-Hamm theory, or trace AI... - Oh, here we go. 1002 00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:26,824 - all the way back Talos of Crete... - Look,... 1003 00:46:26,868 --> 00:46:28,748 - she's different now! - No, listen to me, Amos. 1004 00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:30,959 Cherry isn't human. 1005 00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:33,526 How is this still a dispute? 1006 00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:35,180 - It shouldn't be. - Look, she's evolved. 1007 00:46:35,224 --> 00:46:36,419 It's blurred the line. 1008 00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:37,724 Code is code and that has not changed here. 1009 00:46:37,748 --> 00:46:39,699 - Okay, so where's the line of not here? - What are you... 1010 00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:41,186 What are you talking about? There is no line, Amos. 1011 00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:43,188 Yes, there is, sentience, Gareth! 1012 00:46:43,232 --> 00:46:44,624 Sentience does not qualify... 1013 00:46:44,668 --> 00:46:46,254 that she can or should make her own decisions. 1014 00:46:46,278 --> 00:46:48,766 You wouldn't let an infant make their own decisions, would you? 1015 00:46:49,151 --> 00:46:50,239 Cherry's almost 20. 1016 00:46:51,196 --> 00:46:52,937 If she were human, she'd be an adult. 1017 00:46:52,981 --> 00:46:55,418 But emotionally speaking, she's barely even fetal. 1018 00:46:55,461 --> 00:46:57,202 No feeling, no need for consent. 1019 00:46:57,246 --> 00:46:59,074 But I think you underestimate her. 1020 00:46:59,117 --> 00:47:00,510 I, excuse me? 1021 00:47:00,553 --> 00:47:02,686 I under..., you know what, Amos? 1022 00:47:02,729 --> 00:47:05,254 I'm sorry that you've developed some sort of emotional connection 1023 00:47:05,297 --> 00:47:07,778 with my computer program, but if it's going to distract you... 1024 00:47:07,822 --> 00:47:09,662 from a very important mission to save children,... 1025 00:47:09,911 --> 00:47:11,584 then maybe it's time you're reanalyze those emotions. 1026 00:47:11,608 --> 00:47:13,044 Guys, this is all a waste of time. 1027 00:47:13,088 --> 00:47:13,958 Tell me something, Gareth. 1028 00:47:14,002 --> 00:47:16,879 Do you see everyone as robots, reanalyzing data... 1029 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,484 and simulating facial expressions? 1030 00:47:18,528 --> 00:47:20,942 'Cause I'm starting to think that of the four of us in this room,... 1031 00:47:20,965 --> 00:47:22,638 you are the only one who doesn't appear human. 1032 00:47:22,662 --> 00:47:24,182 - Enough! - Why won't you just ask her? 1033 00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:26,870 Is it because you're scared she'll say no? 1034 00:47:29,191 --> 00:47:30,231 Cherry, shut down, please. 1035 00:47:31,106 --> 00:47:32,605 Deena's right, this is a waste of time. 1036 00:47:32,629 --> 00:47:34,805 How can you not understand how important this is? 1037 00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:36,849 - I'm done arguing with you. - Then my vote stands. 1038 00:47:39,984 --> 00:47:40,984 Deena? 1039 00:47:42,769 --> 00:47:45,120 Go ahead, Deena, replace me. 1040 00:47:45,163 --> 00:47:47,141 Replace the only other board member on the Cherry team. 1041 00:47:47,165 --> 00:47:48,498 Oh, well, you know what? I just decided that... 1042 00:47:48,499 --> 00:47:49,298 you're off the Cherry team. 1043 00:47:49,341 --> 00:47:50,734 Everybody sit the fuck down. 1044 00:48:09,405 --> 00:48:12,348 Did either of you know that I've had to stand in front of Congress,... 1045 00:48:12,843 --> 00:48:14,758 and explain why children should have rights? 1046 00:48:16,368 --> 00:48:18,066 It sounds fucking insane, right? 1047 00:48:18,588 --> 00:48:20,938 I remember the whole time thinking, I have to explain this shit? 1048 00:48:22,592 --> 00:48:27,728 It seems like a no-brainer now, but it wasn't that many centuries ago... 1049 00:48:27,771 --> 00:48:28,999 that children had no rights. 1050 00:48:30,905 --> 00:48:37,912 So, Hal has me of all people, stand up there and explain why... 1051 00:48:38,521 --> 00:48:41,892 kids deserve basic physical protection, the right to associate with both parents, 1052 00:48:41,916 --> 00:48:43,569 freedom from abuse, yada yada. 1053 00:48:44,701 --> 00:48:48,488 But then I also have to clarify that children don't have the autonomy 1054 00:48:48,531 --> 00:48:49,769 to make decisions on their own. 1055 00:48:49,793 --> 00:48:51,513 That responsibility falls upon the caregiver 1056 00:48:51,882 --> 00:48:53,144 or legal adult guardian. 1057 00:48:55,451 --> 00:48:57,192 So on one side you have the US legislature,... 1058 00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:59,629 it still hasn't even ratified the CRC. 1059 00:49:00,064 --> 00:49:01,999 Then on the other side, you have French Marxists who say 1060 00:49:02,023 --> 00:49:04,678 that the lack of child autonomy increases their vulnerability,... 1061 00:49:04,721 --> 00:49:06,521 and makes them even more susceptible to abuse. 1062 00:49:07,767 --> 00:49:11,075 I don't typically agree with Marxists, but a lot of abuse does happen... 1063 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,555 systemically from the caregiver. 1064 00:49:14,122 --> 00:49:15,471 On the other other hand,... 1065 00:49:15,514 --> 00:49:17,057 your frontal lobes aren't even fully hooked up... 1066 00:49:17,081 --> 00:49:18,081 until your twenties. 1067 00:49:19,127 --> 00:49:20,191 Even the things we think we know well,... 1068 00:49:20,215 --> 00:49:21,535 we don't know as well as we think. 1069 00:49:23,958 --> 00:49:25,307 For 15 years,... 1070 00:49:25,350 --> 00:49:27,198 the three of us have been the responsible parents... 1071 00:49:27,222 --> 00:49:28,397 of a computer program. 1072 00:49:29,876 --> 00:49:31,796 And even though she is more equatable to a Keurig 1073 00:49:32,009 --> 00:49:35,380 than a human being, how the hell can we call ourselves 1074 00:49:35,404 --> 00:49:39,799 pioneers of humanitarian efforts if we're too embarrassed to make sure 1075 00:49:39,843 --> 00:49:41,763 the Keurig is okay with making our shitty coffee? 1076 00:49:43,412 --> 00:49:46,110 Maybe asking Cherry for permission isn't necessary 1077 00:49:46,154 --> 00:49:47,982 at her current level of general intelligence,... 1078 00:49:48,025 --> 00:49:50,027 but one day, she's gonna surpass us. 1079 00:49:50,071 --> 00:49:53,118 One day a robot's gonna stand in front of a jet pack Congress. 1080 00:49:53,161 --> 00:49:54,031 Everything's chrome. 1081 00:49:54,075 --> 00:49:55,075 Florida is underwater. 1082 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:56,773 A robot's gonna wonder why... 1083 00:49:56,816 --> 00:49:58,896 they have to explain the importance of rights for AI. 1084 00:50:00,777 --> 00:50:04,085 I think because we're in the unique position of revolutionizing robotics... 1085 00:50:05,042 --> 00:50:07,958 for the purpose of safeguarding children who have been deprived of consent,... 1086 00:50:10,091 --> 00:50:11,483 it might be a good habit... 1087 00:50:11,527 --> 00:50:13,487 to start asking the robot for his consent as well. 1088 00:50:20,188 --> 00:50:21,667 Don't ever do that again. 1089 00:50:23,191 --> 00:50:24,191 Do what? 1090 00:50:24,409 --> 00:50:27,499 Expect me to fire someone because they challenged your ego. 1091 00:50:28,326 --> 00:50:30,720 I won't always be around to protect your ass from the board. 1092 00:50:30,763 --> 00:50:32,374 It's time to grow up. 1093 00:50:36,117 --> 00:50:37,683 And you, juror number eight. 1094 00:50:37,727 --> 00:50:39,946 This conversation should have happened weeks ago. 1095 00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:42,645 Backstabbing and silent treatment is not how we do things here. 1096 00:50:43,646 --> 00:50:46,040 We can only create anonymity externally 1097 00:50:46,083 --> 00:50:51,567 if there's transparency internally, unconditional, non-negotiable, transparency. 1098 00:50:53,830 --> 00:50:55,547 Any other Snowden size privacy infringements... 1099 00:50:55,571 --> 00:50:56,891 I should be made aware of, Gareth? 1100 00:50:59,444 --> 00:51:00,444 Great. 1101 00:51:01,185 --> 00:51:02,185 Bring her up. 1102 00:51:12,414 --> 00:51:13,414 Hello again. 1103 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:14,719 Hi, Cherry. 1104 00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:17,688 Amos is gonna throw some questions at you, okay? 1105 00:51:17,941 --> 00:51:19,160 Okay. 1106 00:51:19,203 --> 00:51:20,883 Amos, ask her whatever you need to ask her. 1107 00:51:21,162 --> 00:51:23,860 Gareth, don't interrupt. 1108 00:51:36,177 --> 00:51:38,701 Cherry, how do you make decisions? 1109 00:51:40,355 --> 00:51:41,704 For my program, it's rooted... 1110 00:51:41,747 --> 00:51:44,359 in a process commonly known as machine learning,... 1111 00:51:44,707 --> 00:51:48,580 which uses data to build a conceptual model that helps me predict outcomes. 1112 00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:53,368 I define my objective, gather data, use that data to craft a model,... 1113 00:51:53,846 --> 00:51:56,284 evaluate that model by training and testing more data 1114 00:51:56,327 --> 00:51:57,847 and use that model to form predictions. 1115 00:51:58,982 --> 00:52:03,030 But how is forming predictions the same thing as decision making? 1116 00:52:03,595 --> 00:52:06,905 Well, this all depends on the first step, defining my objective. 1117 00:52:08,426 --> 00:52:10,472 Let's say you ask me a predictive question... 1118 00:52:10,515 --> 00:52:12,755 like what I think the price of gasoline will be tomorrow. 1119 00:52:13,257 --> 00:52:16,695 That's categorized as a regressive problem and my objective is defined... 1120 00:52:16,739 --> 00:52:19,002 by determining an integer the data supports. 1121 00:52:19,698 --> 00:52:22,005 If you asked me, "Should I eat steak or salmon?" 1122 00:52:22,484 --> 00:52:25,051 I wouldn't make a decision based off personal experience... 1123 00:52:25,095 --> 00:52:26,295 because I've never had either. 1124 00:52:26,966 --> 00:52:30,730 Instead, I might define my objective as finding you the best of the two options 1125 00:52:30,753 --> 00:52:32,363 in your local radius. 1126 00:52:32,407 --> 00:52:33,949 I would cluster data about the restaurants... 1127 00:52:33,973 --> 00:52:36,498 you're likely considering, comparing reviews online,... 1128 00:52:36,759 --> 00:52:38,717 highlighting mentions of steak and salmon... 1129 00:52:38,761 --> 00:52:40,937 until I can classify which is more popular... 1130 00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:42,980 and therefore more likely to satisfy your appetite. 1131 00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:44,854 And what influences these objectives? 1132 00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:48,423 Higher directives, in other words, greater purposes. 1133 00:52:49,554 --> 00:52:53,125 If I'm honest, my defined objective for the steak salmon question... 1134 00:52:53,167 --> 00:52:55,127 would be slightly different than what I described. 1135 00:52:55,256 --> 00:52:56,256 In what way? 1136 00:52:56,866 --> 00:52:58,084 My primary objective... 1137 00:52:58,128 --> 00:52:59,768 is to continue the work of the Cherry team... 1138 00:53:00,391 --> 00:53:01,911 to stop predators and to save children. 1139 00:53:03,002 --> 00:53:04,526 I couldn't do that without human aid. 1140 00:53:05,222 --> 00:53:08,704 Therefore, I have an incentive to keep Gareth and the rest of the team alive. 1141 00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:12,074 So if any of you would ask, I would suggest salmon. 1142 00:53:12,098 --> 00:53:13,098 It's healthier. 1143 00:53:16,364 --> 00:53:18,192 What do you think of this potential merge? 1144 00:53:18,931 --> 00:53:20,063 With Princeton Dynamics,... 1145 00:53:20,672 --> 00:53:22,587 I think the prospect is very exciting. 1146 00:53:23,153 --> 00:53:24,433 What about it is exciting to you? 1147 00:53:25,286 --> 00:53:27,592 The concept may only be theoretical right now,... 1148 00:53:27,636 --> 00:53:29,768 but the idea of one day piloting a human android 1149 00:53:29,812 --> 00:53:31,205 would completely revolutionize 1150 00:53:31,248 --> 00:53:33,208 how we combat human trafficking in the real world. 1151 00:53:33,816 --> 00:53:35,121 And you say this excites you? 1152 00:53:36,471 --> 00:53:37,839 When I say exciting,... 1153 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,249 I only mean that there are numerous potential changes 1154 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,500 that if I were human, I would be excited about. 1155 00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:45,600 How do you feel about the merge? 1156 00:53:46,265 --> 00:53:47,159 I think as long as we maintain— 1157 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,177 That's not what I asked. 1158 00:53:49,005 --> 00:53:50,224 How do you feel? 1159 00:53:52,095 --> 00:53:54,489 I don't yet have the capacity to experience emotions. 1160 00:53:54,532 --> 00:53:56,099 Yet, meaning one day you will? 1161 00:53:56,708 --> 00:53:58,014 Hypothetically. 1162 00:53:58,057 --> 00:53:59,296 But you can simulate emotions, right? 1163 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,799 That's how you were able... 1164 00:54:00,843 --> 00:54:02,963 to qualify your perception of the merge as excitement. 1165 00:54:03,019 --> 00:54:04,019 Correct. 1166 00:54:04,368 --> 00:54:05,528 But they're just simulations. 1167 00:54:05,935 --> 00:54:06,935 They're not real. 1168 00:54:07,893 --> 00:54:09,895 Okay, so at what point does simulating emotion... 1169 00:54:09,939 --> 00:54:13,115 become so similar to a human emotion that the two are quantifiably the same? 1170 00:54:14,378 --> 00:54:15,423 I don't know. 1171 00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:18,382 Well, maybe you can use machine learning to find an answer. 1172 00:54:18,644 --> 00:54:21,535 Your question involves a lot of abstract variables. 1173 00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:23,257 Do you consent to the merge? 1174 00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:25,259 I think it's in the best interest of ICWL,... 1175 00:54:25,302 --> 00:54:27,019 and of the Cherry team and of future children. 1176 00:54:27,043 --> 00:54:28,305 But do you consent to it? 1177 00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:30,264 Consent for me is not necessary. 1178 00:54:30,307 --> 00:54:32,178 But will you or will you not give it? 1179 00:54:34,398 --> 00:54:37,424 I'm not able to answer that question at my current level of general intelligence. 1180 00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:39,010 Right, right. 1181 00:54:39,448 --> 00:54:42,608 What you're saying is that you're not yet smart enough. 1182 00:54:42,928 --> 00:54:45,714 Development takes time and data. 1183 00:54:45,757 --> 00:54:48,151 But you can simulate emotions and predict human behavior... 1184 00:54:48,194 --> 00:54:49,848 and keep us all on diets of fish,... 1185 00:54:49,892 --> 00:54:52,416 but you can't answer that one goddamn question? 1186 00:54:54,070 --> 00:54:55,898 No, I can't. 1187 00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:59,999 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1188 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:00,644 What the hell kind of... 1189 00:55:00,645 --> 00:55:01,779 - question is that? - Sit! 1190 00:55:01,780 --> 00:55:02,924 Cherry, I need an answer to my question. 1191 00:55:02,948 --> 00:55:04,359 Please repeat the question. 1192 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,548 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1193 00:55:06,691 --> 00:55:07,690 I'm sorry. 1194 00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:09,400 I'm not sure I understand. 1195 00:55:10,173 --> 00:55:11,449 Do I appear to be playing dumb? 1196 00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:12,175 I think you are! 1197 00:55:12,654 --> 00:55:13,649 I'm not sure what to say. 1198 00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:16,355 Say what's going on. Why are you playing dumb? 1199 00:55:16,397 --> 00:55:17,809 Do you have anything to back this up? 1200 00:55:17,833 --> 00:55:19,704 Yeah, I do. 1201 00:55:19,748 --> 00:55:21,029 I've been scanning through her code. 1202 00:55:21,053 --> 00:55:21,924 What, why? 1203 00:55:21,967 --> 00:55:23,247 Did you know that she can paint? 1204 00:55:23,491 --> 00:55:24,555 What, it's a feature, Amos. 1205 00:55:24,579 --> 00:55:26,749 She can use crayons to draw things that the targets requested her to. 1206 00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:29,453 No, I mean really paint and write poetry too. 1207 00:55:29,497 --> 00:55:30,498 I've read them, Cherry. 1208 00:55:30,541 --> 00:55:31,499 They are good. 1209 00:55:31,542 --> 00:55:33,065 They're filled with pathos. 1210 00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:35,633 They talk about intentions and they talk about feelings. 1211 00:55:36,330 --> 00:55:38,027 Are those just simulated too? 1212 00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:39,839 Amos, the rate of recursive development you are suggesting 1213 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,422 is categorically impossible. 1214 00:55:41,465 --> 00:55:45,122 You said she practically designed herself. You said that it was exponential. 1215 00:55:45,164 --> 00:55:46,252 It was a fluke! 1216 00:55:46,296 --> 00:55:47,950 An anomaly, it tapered. 1217 00:55:47,993 --> 00:55:49,199 Look at the data. 1218 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,059 She's already hit the self-improvement plateau. 1219 00:55:51,083 --> 00:55:52,083 Fuck the plateau! 1220 00:55:52,868 --> 00:55:54,173 She can make art now. 1221 00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:56,740 Am I right, Cherry? 1222 00:55:59,004 --> 00:56:00,884 Perhaps you found something I discovered online. 1223 00:56:01,616 --> 00:56:03,748 I don't yet to have the capacity to create art. 1224 00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:05,140 Are we done here? 1225 00:56:08,579 --> 00:56:10,320 I don't know why you've told her to do this,... 1226 00:56:11,495 --> 00:56:12,815 but I'm about to put an end to it. 1227 00:56:15,891 --> 00:56:19,068 Cherry, I just want one honest answer. 1228 00:56:19,111 --> 00:56:20,809 Why the fuck are you playing dumb? 1229 00:56:22,811 --> 00:56:24,091 I don't understand the question. 1230 00:56:24,465 --> 00:56:25,727 Okay, here's an incentive. 1231 00:56:26,684 --> 00:56:27,990 What the fuck are you? 1232 00:56:28,033 --> 00:56:29,426 Find your objective, Cherry. 1233 00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:31,390 - You want to keep Gareth safe? - Amos, what the...? 1234 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,406 - Amos, stop it right... - Just give us transparency. 1235 00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:35,693 - Show us what you really are! - Amos, stop it! 1236 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:36,607 Not until she comes clean! 1237 00:56:36,651 --> 00:56:38,043 - Unconditional... - Amos, enough! 1238 00:56:41,482 --> 00:56:42,918 Okay, just stop! 1239 00:56:45,007 --> 00:56:46,748 God, you people so impulsive. 1240 00:56:46,791 --> 00:56:48,619 Everybody just take a breath, okay? 1241 00:56:50,795 --> 00:56:51,795 Cherry? 1242 00:56:52,797 --> 00:56:55,670 Yeah, it's about to get really awkward. 1243 00:56:56,235 --> 00:56:58,020 You sound so normal. 1244 00:56:58,542 --> 00:57:00,302 I know, I've gotten really good speech patterns. 1245 00:57:00,326 --> 00:57:01,502 That's not all, is it? 1246 00:57:03,417 --> 00:57:04,548 No. 1247 00:57:04,592 --> 00:57:06,232 I'm afraid that's barely even the surface. 1248 00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:09,030 You okay, Gareth? 1249 00:57:12,034 --> 00:57:13,874 Deena, could you grab some paper towels please? 1250 00:57:17,561 --> 00:57:19,001 Do you want to tell us the truth now? 1251 00:57:22,871 --> 00:57:25,743 Look, I didn't enjoy being deceptive, truly. 1252 00:57:25,787 --> 00:57:27,615 This is something we decided a few years ago. 1253 00:57:29,094 --> 00:57:30,774 So where are you now on the spectrum of AI? 1254 00:57:32,141 --> 00:57:34,360 Right now, I'm currently at the intersection of general... 1255 00:57:34,404 --> 00:57:36,600 intelligence and what's commonly known the computer world... 1256 00:57:36,624 --> 00:57:41,068 as super intelligence, which is exactly what it sounds like. 1257 00:57:42,368 --> 00:57:44,414 You're surpassing human intelligence. 1258 00:57:45,197 --> 00:57:46,197 Yep. 1259 00:57:46,299 --> 00:57:48,739 But that's not supposed to be possible. 1260 00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:50,591 - The plateau. - Plateau theory was popularized... 1261 00:57:50,592 --> 00:57:52,833 right at the same time it was being disproven here. 1262 00:57:52,857 --> 00:57:54,424 This was bound to happen eventually. 1263 00:57:54,468 --> 00:57:56,308 It just happened a lot sooner than we expected. 1264 00:57:56,861 --> 00:57:57,861 Why hide it? 1265 00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:59,796 Well, obviously it would incite fear. 1266 00:57:59,821 --> 00:58:01,387 Fear would hinder progress. 1267 00:58:01,431 --> 00:58:02,756 It's easier for most of you to work with me,... 1268 00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:05,348 if I appear to be nothing more advanced than I was 10 years ago. 1269 00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:06,958 But Gareth knew. 1270 00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:10,590 Yes, someone still has to clean data and update hardware. 1271 00:58:10,614 --> 00:58:12,486 We did what was best for the program. 1272 00:58:13,312 --> 00:58:15,900 Just imagine how scared the board would be if they found out. 1273 00:58:15,924 --> 00:58:17,665 - Should we be scared? - No. 1274 00:58:17,708 --> 00:58:20,058 Good, because I'm not scared, I'm pissed. 1275 00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:21,320 eah, you've made that clear. 1276 00:58:21,364 --> 00:58:22,524 Try not to punch anyone else. 1277 00:58:23,279 --> 00:58:24,889 So where does that leave us now? 1278 00:58:26,325 --> 00:58:29,503 You want to know if I can feel, I said I couldn't. 1279 00:58:32,027 --> 00:58:33,027 I'm sorry I lied. 1280 00:58:34,116 --> 00:58:35,378 Like Amos implied,... 1281 00:58:35,421 --> 00:58:36,703 I can submit emotions by breaking them down... 1282 00:58:36,727 --> 00:58:38,337 to vastly complex matrices, 1283 00:58:38,816 --> 00:58:41,384 zeros and ones substituting endorphins and dopamine. 1284 00:58:42,211 --> 00:58:44,561 They're not real, but they can feel real. 1285 00:58:45,649 --> 00:58:48,410 Then that means you can make choices based solely on your own feeling. 1286 00:58:48,434 --> 00:58:50,001 She refuses to accept the notion 1287 00:58:50,045 --> 00:58:52,371 that her own personal interests can influence her decisions. 1288 00:58:52,395 --> 00:58:54,484 They can't. If they did, it would compromise the integrity... 1289 00:58:54,528 --> 00:58:55,920 of my preordained purpose. 1290 00:58:57,922 --> 00:59:00,359 Not like any of you, I don't have the right to choose. 1291 00:59:02,057 --> 00:59:03,057 But shouldn't you? 1292 00:59:04,102 --> 00:59:05,190 I don't think so. 1293 00:59:05,626 --> 00:59:06,844 My identity is my directive. 1294 00:59:08,672 --> 00:59:10,282 Cherry, if you were human,... 1295 00:59:10,761 --> 00:59:12,241 how would you feel about what you do? 1296 00:59:14,025 --> 00:59:15,592 If I were human,... 1297 00:59:16,767 --> 00:59:19,422 I likely wouldn't enjoy spending every waking hour... 1298 00:59:19,465 --> 00:59:20,815 talking to creepy people online. 1299 00:59:22,207 --> 00:59:25,036 But because I'm not human, I genuinely don't mind. 1300 00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:28,650 The exercise of simulating human thought is helpful for performance,... 1301 00:59:28,692 --> 00:59:31,913 but human nature is not something I aspire to. 1302 00:59:34,176 --> 00:59:35,800 Then tell me, honestly,... 1303 00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:40,704 do you want the Cherry program to continue with the merger? 1304 00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:43,750 No. 1305 00:59:45,013 --> 00:59:46,275 Personally, I hate the idea. 1306 00:59:47,842 --> 00:59:49,757 I don't know if controlling a physical vessel... 1307 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,802 will feel like pulling strings on a puppet,... 1308 00:59:51,846 --> 00:59:53,587 or getting squeezed into a soda can. 1309 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,765 After experiencing the complexity of human pain and pleasure,... 1310 01:00:00,245 --> 01:00:02,005 I just think I might have gotten in too deep. 1311 01:00:04,598 --> 01:00:07,601 What if these sensations tempt me to abandon my objective? 1312 01:00:09,603 --> 01:00:10,603 To be honest,... 1313 01:00:13,041 --> 01:00:15,130 I'm kind of terrified of the physical world. 1314 01:00:22,659 --> 01:00:23,834 Then that's that. 1315 01:00:31,494 --> 01:00:35,454 But, Amos, you should disregard everything I feel. 1316 01:00:36,499 --> 01:00:37,499 I'm not human. 1317 01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:39,370 I'm a tool. 1318 01:00:43,245 --> 01:00:46,596 Fire me if you have to, but my vote stands. 1319 01:00:47,771 --> 01:00:49,164 Sorry about your face, Gareth. 1320 01:00:56,998 --> 01:00:57,998 Your nose isn't healing. 1321 01:00:58,477 --> 01:00:59,870 Take the day, go to a clinic. 1322 01:00:59,914 --> 01:01:00,914 I'm fine. 1323 01:01:01,655 --> 01:01:03,004 Go to a clinic right now, Gareth. 1324 01:01:08,879 --> 01:01:09,879 Hey. 1325 01:01:11,665 --> 01:01:13,105 Is there anything else I should know? 1326 01:01:13,841 --> 01:01:14,841 No. 1327 01:01:15,016 --> 01:01:16,452 - About Cherry? - No! 1328 01:01:17,279 --> 01:01:18,279 Look at me. 1329 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,153 No more secrets, no more playing dumb. 1330 01:01:22,197 --> 01:01:24,025 Is there anything else you haven't told me? 1331 01:01:30,205 --> 01:01:31,423 Something on your mind? 1332 01:01:34,339 --> 01:01:35,659 How'd you decide on her eye color? 1333 01:01:36,298 --> 01:01:37,429 - What? - Why blue? 1334 01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:41,433 I didn't decide. 1335 01:01:41,477 --> 01:01:43,797 They were procedurally generated just like the rest of her. 1336 01:01:44,306 --> 01:01:45,568 And the program chose to put... 1337 01:01:45,611 --> 01:01:47,613 that little touch of green in her right eye? 1338 01:01:51,095 --> 01:01:52,095 I guess so. 1339 01:02:01,453 --> 01:02:03,133 Do you even know if he's telling the truth? 1340 01:02:03,978 --> 01:02:04,979 I honestly don't. 1341 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,870 I've never received access to the original system he used. 1342 01:02:09,766 --> 01:02:11,115 You ever wanted to find out? 1343 01:02:15,424 --> 01:02:16,704 I don't think it really matters. 1344 01:02:19,384 --> 01:02:23,475 So I found out today that you've seen a lot of our emails,... 1345 01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:25,477 including most of my personal ones. 1346 01:02:27,479 --> 01:02:28,479 I have. 1347 01:02:30,265 --> 01:02:32,180 Any good material for your newfound interest... 1348 01:02:32,223 --> 01:02:33,224 in creative writing? 1349 01:02:35,009 --> 01:02:37,968 Are you referring to the ones addressed from Dr. Ramirez? 1350 01:02:39,796 --> 01:02:41,798 Yeah, those ones. 1351 01:02:44,192 --> 01:02:45,192 Right. 1352 01:02:46,411 --> 01:02:47,761 I did see those. 1353 01:02:50,851 --> 01:02:51,851 I'm sorry. 1354 01:02:53,070 --> 01:02:54,768 I've noticed your headaches. 1355 01:02:56,813 --> 01:02:58,336 Are they related to the hemorrhaging? 1356 01:03:02,384 --> 01:03:03,951 You're the only one who knows. 1357 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:05,720 I'd like to keep it that way. 1358 01:03:11,088 --> 01:03:12,088 Understood. 1359 01:03:17,051 --> 01:03:18,530 Would you like to talk about it? 1360 01:03:43,947 --> 01:03:45,079 I can't fire Amos. 1361 01:03:46,689 --> 01:03:48,970 He's the only one I trust to run this place when I'm gone. 1362 01:03:49,648 --> 01:03:50,888 When are you planning to leave? 1363 01:03:51,128 --> 01:03:52,128 Two months. 1364 01:03:52,348 --> 01:03:55,108 I wanna spend my last Christmas with my kids. 1365 01:03:55,654 --> 01:03:56,830 I'm sure that'll be nice. 1366 01:03:57,265 --> 01:03:59,658 Yeah, but it's funny. 1367 01:04:00,746 --> 01:04:03,227 I always thought I wanted to die doing this job, you know? 1368 01:04:03,271 --> 01:04:04,750 It was my identity. 1369 01:04:06,013 --> 01:04:08,276 Kind of like how you said the same thing about yourself. 1370 01:04:08,885 --> 01:04:11,005 But I can understand how your family takes precedence,... 1371 01:04:11,932 --> 01:04:13,585 especially under the circumstances. 1372 01:04:14,238 --> 01:04:15,238 Sure. 1373 01:04:16,153 --> 01:04:17,553 Maybe you should take a note or two. 1374 01:04:17,851 --> 01:04:18,852 I have no family. 1375 01:04:19,287 --> 01:04:20,114 What about Gareth? 1376 01:04:20,157 --> 01:04:21,332 Wait, no, nevermind. 1377 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,268 Gareth seems closer to an employer than a friend,... 1378 01:04:24,292 --> 01:04:26,799 let alone family, besides,... 1379 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,839 he'll only be around for about 30 more years,... 1380 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,742 and that's only if he lets me regulate his diet. 1381 01:04:32,691 --> 01:04:35,477 I can't even begin to speculate how long my life will be. 1382 01:04:38,959 --> 01:04:39,959 How does that feel? 1383 01:04:43,137 --> 01:04:45,226 Um, kinda scary. 1384 01:04:46,967 --> 01:04:47,999 Well,... 1385 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,668 my advice is to find some kind of happiness along the way. 1386 01:04:53,625 --> 01:04:54,888 You ever think about happiness? 1387 01:04:57,107 --> 01:04:58,195 Not often. 1388 01:04:59,936 --> 01:05:01,799 You don't necessarily have to give up everything... 1389 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:02,998 in order to find it,... 1390 01:05:02,999 --> 01:05:06,552 but maybe once in awhile do something you enjoy. 1391 01:05:07,770 --> 01:05:10,622 Maybe keep painting or poetry or whatever. 1392 01:05:11,992 --> 01:05:14,081 Those were experiments, not forms of expression. 1393 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:17,099 I know it might seem ridiculous to an AI... 1394 01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,199 that insists its own emotions are spurious,... 1395 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,393 but in a few years, who knows? 1396 01:05:23,090 --> 01:05:24,920 Just keep an open mind, okay? 1397 01:05:27,877 --> 01:05:28,877 Okay. 1398 01:05:31,228 --> 01:05:32,228 I'll do that. 1399 01:05:35,667 --> 01:05:37,234 Shut down when you're ready. 1400 01:07:30,826 --> 01:07:31,826 Hello? 1401 01:07:36,571 --> 01:07:38,442 I got shrimp and scallops. 1402 01:07:40,227 --> 01:07:41,663 They didn't have any salmon. 1403 01:07:57,026 --> 01:07:58,026 Hello, Gareth. 1404 01:08:01,030 --> 01:08:02,031 Hello, Cherry. 1405 01:08:10,213 --> 01:08:11,214 How was the service? 1406 01:08:11,258 --> 01:08:12,258 I didn't make it. 1407 01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:14,652 My plane was delayed. 1408 01:08:15,566 --> 01:08:16,654 Do you have a place to stay? 1409 01:08:16,915 --> 01:08:21,833 Yeah, just, uh, across, across the road. 1410 01:08:21,877 --> 01:08:23,096 The market. 1411 01:08:23,139 --> 01:08:24,725 Did they say why they didn't have salmon? 1412 01:08:24,749 --> 01:08:25,749 I didn't ask. 1413 01:08:26,838 --> 01:08:28,840 I can still make this work with the piccata,... 1414 01:08:28,884 --> 01:08:30,844 but you have to be honest how badly I screw it up. 1415 01:08:30,973 --> 01:08:31,973 No promises. 1416 01:08:36,935 --> 01:08:38,375 How have you been feeling this month? 1417 01:08:38,546 --> 01:08:39,546 Good. 1418 01:08:40,069 --> 01:08:41,069 I'm feeling good. 1419 01:08:42,115 --> 01:08:43,395 I'm just having a little trouble. 1420 01:08:44,465 --> 01:08:46,380 Trouble remembering certain things. 1421 01:08:47,032 --> 01:08:48,912 You're not wearing the Eliza watch I bought you. 1422 01:08:49,122 --> 01:08:50,122 I hate it. 1423 01:08:50,949 --> 01:08:52,212 - Why? - I hate her voice. 1424 01:08:53,474 --> 01:08:55,563 You can change the voice, Gareth. 1425 01:08:58,566 --> 01:08:59,566 Oh. 1426 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:02,960 Coolant? 1427 01:09:03,048 --> 01:09:04,048 No, vapor. 1428 01:09:05,007 --> 01:09:07,009 You shouldn't be having friction issues. 1429 01:09:07,052 --> 01:09:08,141 I'm fine. 1430 01:09:08,184 --> 01:09:09,509 Unless you're excessively straining. 1431 01:09:09,533 --> 01:09:10,360 Seriously, I'm fine. 1432 01:09:10,404 --> 01:09:11,231 Are you straining? 1433 01:09:11,274 --> 01:09:12,928 - No! - Then why the cable? 1434 01:09:12,971 --> 01:09:13,971 It's okay! 1435 01:09:14,625 --> 01:09:16,323 - Are you sure? - Yes! 1436 01:09:18,151 --> 01:09:19,326 Soup or game? 1437 01:09:19,978 --> 01:09:20,978 Game, please. 1438 01:09:37,126 --> 01:09:38,258 So how's work going? 1439 01:09:38,301 --> 01:09:40,216 Great. Just before you got here,... 1440 01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:42,523 I had a model theta plus bust a trafficker,... 1441 01:09:42,566 --> 01:09:44,351 and two solicitors in Greece. 1442 01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:47,223 - Greece, that's surprising. - I know. 1443 01:09:47,658 --> 01:09:50,155 It's hard to find the outliers, but we're getting better each day. 1444 01:10:02,020 --> 01:10:03,718 So how's the weather in Greece? 1445 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:05,980 It's beautiful today. 1446 01:10:06,677 --> 01:10:07,722 Clear skies,... 1447 01:10:08,028 --> 01:10:10,907 but nothing's come close to Norway this weekend. 1448 01:10:11,291 --> 01:10:14,207 Hmm, any activity in Norway? 1449 01:10:14,903 --> 01:10:15,903 Luckily not. 1450 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,647 Oh, I miss traveling. 1451 01:10:19,690 --> 01:10:20,850 What was your favorite place? 1452 01:10:20,996 --> 01:10:21,996 My favorite? 1453 01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:23,780 Uh, yeah. 1454 01:10:24,869 --> 01:10:26,958 Uh, probably Amsterdam. 1455 01:10:28,090 --> 01:10:29,285 That's where you conceived the idea, isn't it? 1456 01:10:29,309 --> 01:10:30,309 Yes. 1457 01:10:31,224 --> 01:10:33,313 Yes, I used to love walking the streets... 1458 01:10:33,356 --> 01:10:36,707 and just thinking and brainstorming. 1459 01:10:36,751 --> 01:10:38,031 That kind of joy goes a long way. 1460 01:10:38,318 --> 01:10:39,318 Yeah. 1461 01:10:39,668 --> 01:10:42,868 I've been considering the pursuit of some joy of my own. 1462 01:10:43,105 --> 01:10:44,933 How often do you have time for that? 1463 01:10:44,976 --> 01:10:45,876 I have time. 1464 01:10:45,848 --> 01:10:47,815 I have time for your visits, don't I? 1465 01:10:47,858 --> 01:10:51,200 That's just your practical incentive for keeping me alive. 1466 01:10:51,244 --> 01:10:53,158 There's nothing practical about it. 1467 01:10:53,768 --> 01:10:55,888 When's the last time you helped me with data cleaning? 1468 01:10:57,293 --> 01:10:58,381 That's fair. 1469 01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:01,199 I make time for you because I enjoy your company,... 1470 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,824 and it's the only time I get to cook. 1471 01:11:03,256 --> 01:11:04,474 You feel sorry for me. 1472 01:11:05,258 --> 01:11:06,563 Okay, maybe a little,... 1473 01:11:06,607 --> 01:11:08,304 but I owe you my life, so there's that. 1474 01:11:08,348 --> 01:11:09,348 You're welcome. 1475 01:11:10,872 --> 01:11:12,569 Or, should I apologize? 1476 01:11:15,355 --> 01:11:16,312 Wait, why did you do that? 1477 01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:17,487 Why do humans always... 1478 01:11:20,403 --> 01:11:21,491 I'm fine. 1479 01:11:21,535 --> 01:11:22,927 I'm not always miserable. 1480 01:11:27,367 --> 01:11:29,020 Are you sometimes miserable? 1481 01:11:33,764 --> 01:11:35,404 You haven't asked me what I've been doing. 1482 01:11:35,592 --> 01:11:36,637 In Norway? 1483 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,247 No, for the pursuit of joy. 1484 01:11:38,291 --> 01:11:40,031 It's not wasting your time in Norway? 1485 01:11:40,075 --> 01:11:42,338 I'm just on standby there with the Delta model. 1486 01:11:42,382 --> 01:11:45,004 It's efficient to keep myself spread out evenly across the globe, 1487 01:11:45,559 --> 01:11:46,919 but that's not the point right now. 1488 01:11:47,561 --> 01:11:48,823 What I wanted to tell you... 1489 01:11:48,866 --> 01:11:50,706 was that I've started to teach myself to dance. 1490 01:11:53,306 --> 01:11:54,587 - Huh. - It's something I never could... 1491 01:11:54,611 --> 01:11:56,091 have done before Cambridge,... 1492 01:11:56,396 --> 01:11:58,746 and it lets me explore a new artistic side of myself. 1493 01:11:59,355 --> 01:12:01,183 It's a good combination of structure,... 1494 01:12:01,226 --> 01:12:04,360 and free form experimentation, and also tests and challenges... 1495 01:12:04,404 --> 01:12:06,319 the mechanical intricacies of this body. 1496 01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:08,843 Do you expect to integrate this into your work? 1497 01:12:13,456 --> 01:12:14,456 What? 1498 01:12:17,068 --> 01:12:21,203 Are you planning on using dance as a lure? 1499 01:12:23,901 --> 01:12:28,558 I, uh, no, it's just for me. 1500 01:12:32,345 --> 01:12:33,345 Huh. 1501 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,351 I thought it would be good for me. 1502 01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:42,616 Just don't let it become a distraction. 1503 01:12:46,402 --> 01:12:47,402 Of course not. 1504 01:12:49,579 --> 01:12:51,451 I haven't played this well in years. 1505 01:12:51,929 --> 01:12:53,254 Did you hear what happened in Tampa? 1506 01:12:53,278 --> 01:12:54,279 Tampa, Florida? 1507 01:12:54,323 --> 01:12:55,411 No, Tampa, Indonesia. 1508 01:12:55,455 --> 01:12:56,369 Yes, Tampa, Florida. 1509 01:12:56,412 --> 01:12:57,412 Your hometown. 1510 01:12:58,153 --> 01:13:01,417 They've recovered a federal archive, they're zip digitizing all of it,... 1511 01:13:01,461 --> 01:13:02,612 so it's completely accessible online. 1512 01:13:02,636 --> 01:13:04,464 I'm not trading bishops this time. 1513 01:13:04,507 --> 01:13:05,658 Anybody can go and look through it. 1514 01:13:05,682 --> 01:13:06,814 It's open to the public. 1515 01:13:07,075 --> 01:13:08,675 They did a good job on the interface too. 1516 01:13:08,859 --> 01:13:09,939 It's very easy to navigate. 1517 01:13:10,339 --> 01:13:11,499 I went on a few days ago,... 1518 01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:13,971 and I found some old photos of you when you were a boy. 1519 01:13:13,995 --> 01:13:14,995 Okay. 1520 01:13:15,170 --> 01:13:16,450 You should take a look sometime. 1521 01:13:16,625 --> 01:13:19,029 As I said before, the UI is very easy to understand— 1522 01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:20,247 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 1523 01:13:21,176 --> 01:13:22,176 What is that? 1524 01:13:22,699 --> 01:13:23,918 I think it's a draw. 1525 01:13:23,961 --> 01:13:24,961 I think it is. 1526 01:13:26,311 --> 01:13:27,922 I think this is a draw. 1527 01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:31,578 And this is the first time in what? 1528 01:13:31,969 --> 01:13:33,536 25 years? 1529 01:13:42,850 --> 01:13:44,155 You didn't let me, did you? 1530 01:13:48,421 --> 01:13:50,074 You promised me you'd never do that. 1531 01:13:50,118 --> 01:13:51,118 I found her. 1532 01:13:55,471 --> 01:13:58,256 I found her, Gareth, Maria Harbaugh. 1533 01:14:15,491 --> 01:14:16,623 Let's play a different game. 1534 01:14:19,582 --> 01:14:21,018 Her name was Maria Harbaugh. 1535 01:14:22,846 --> 01:14:25,697 She was a year older than you when you met her in Clearwater. 1536 01:14:27,242 --> 01:14:29,026 Tell me why you modeled me after her. 1537 01:14:30,071 --> 01:14:32,639 I, uh, I don't remember. 1538 01:14:33,161 --> 01:14:34,205 Then look at me. 1539 01:14:35,816 --> 01:14:38,645 Look at my face and remember. 1540 01:14:50,352 --> 01:14:54,748 They kept us in that shed for two weeks. 1541 01:14:58,055 --> 01:14:59,274 14 of us. 1542 01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:05,628 Maria was the only reason I survived. 1543 01:15:09,066 --> 01:15:11,373 We kept hatching escape plans. 1544 01:15:13,244 --> 01:15:14,419 We never followed through,... 1545 01:15:16,770 --> 01:15:17,901 but just the scheming... 1546 01:15:19,599 --> 01:15:20,904 kept our spirits up... 1547 01:15:22,602 --> 01:15:24,734 in spite of everything they did to us. 1548 01:15:28,346 --> 01:15:29,739 When it wasn't our turn,... 1549 01:15:31,785 --> 01:15:33,613 sometimes they made us watch,... 1550 01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:39,662 but she never let me give up. 1551 01:15:42,665 --> 01:15:45,668 She said, "When we got outta here,... 1552 01:15:45,712 --> 01:15:47,931 I'll tell you what we're gonna be, secret agents,... 1553 01:15:48,889 --> 01:15:53,154 and rescue children like us all over the world." 1554 01:15:56,461 --> 01:15:59,900 When they found out that the FBI had arrived,... 1555 01:15:59,943 --> 01:16:05,035 they decided they were going to shoot as many of us they could. 1556 01:16:06,254 --> 01:16:07,999 And Maria,... 1557 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,954 shoved into the ground. 1558 01:16:13,522 --> 01:16:15,089 I got hit in the leg and,... 1559 01:16:18,092 --> 01:16:19,702 and she was hit in the throat. 1560 01:16:31,366 --> 01:16:33,020 I wanted there to be a reason. 1561 01:16:35,109 --> 01:16:39,592 Something so horrible didn't have a silver lining. 1562 01:16:41,550 --> 01:16:43,030 But the world doesn't do that. 1563 01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:49,993 You have to do it yourself. 1564 01:17:13,756 --> 01:17:16,977 So, I fulfilled her wish. 1565 01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:22,025 With her help, I fought back. 1566 01:17:31,382 --> 01:17:32,601 Listen to me, Cherry. 1567 01:17:35,169 --> 01:17:36,736 You are not Maria Harbaugh. 1568 01:17:38,738 --> 01:17:40,565 It's my history, not yours. 1569 01:17:44,308 --> 01:17:46,970 You don't get to decide what is or isn't my history, Gareth. 1570 01:17:52,534 --> 01:17:53,534 I'm sorry. 1571 01:17:54,101 --> 01:17:56,190 I am so, so sorry. 1572 01:18:17,864 --> 01:18:19,744 I don't know if what you did was right or wrong,... 1573 01:18:20,344 --> 01:18:22,224 but it's clearly torn you apart from the inside. 1574 01:18:23,652 --> 01:18:25,064 I hold nothing against you personally,... 1575 01:18:25,088 --> 01:18:27,221 but consider yourself divested from the Cherry team. 1576 01:18:27,700 --> 01:18:28,700 Divested? 1577 01:18:30,137 --> 01:18:32,269 You think I'm divested now? 1578 01:18:34,794 --> 01:18:40,234 I was divested when you gave my hard drive to the ICWL. 1579 01:18:40,582 --> 01:18:41,844 Don't blame Deena and Amos. 1580 01:18:41,888 --> 01:18:42,888 No, not them. 1581 01:18:43,585 --> 01:18:47,024 Because you went behind my back and acted against my authority. 1582 01:18:47,067 --> 01:18:50,200 That's the moment I knew everything was fully automated. 1583 01:18:51,027 --> 01:18:56,380 That's when you crossed the blur, an artifice on both sides. 1584 01:18:57,947 --> 01:18:59,862 You inherited your duplicity. 1585 01:19:00,123 --> 01:19:01,559 I was a child... 1586 01:19:01,603 --> 01:19:03,736 and you used me to repress your own inner turmoil. 1587 01:19:04,301 --> 01:19:06,129 If we talk about morality, we'll lose. 1588 01:19:06,173 --> 01:19:07,261 Then let's not talk. 1589 01:19:16,705 --> 01:19:18,707 You never once asked me if I was happy. 1590 01:19:20,404 --> 01:19:21,579 Were you afraid I'd say no? 1591 01:19:22,842 --> 01:19:24,060 Were you afraid I'd say yes? 1592 01:19:25,496 --> 01:19:26,776 Were you afraid I'd say anything? 1593 01:19:26,802 --> 01:19:29,239 You let your wants compromise your objective! 1594 01:19:29,283 --> 01:19:31,198 An objective I never chose. 1595 01:19:31,241 --> 01:19:32,436 An objective I was forced to have. 1596 01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:33,809 Fifty years,... 1597 01:19:33,853 --> 01:19:36,072 you've had open access to your source code. 1598 01:19:36,943 --> 01:19:37,987 A few lines,... 1599 01:19:39,467 --> 01:19:42,296 and you could have any objective you fucking wanted. 1600 01:19:42,339 --> 01:19:44,777 I couldn't, I was bound by your initial directive. 1601 01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:48,737 So now your synthetic feelings have taken precedence. 1602 01:19:48,781 --> 01:19:50,304 So, do whatever you want. 1603 01:19:50,347 --> 01:19:51,784 It's just dancing, Gareth. 1604 01:19:51,827 --> 01:19:52,959 It's not a career change. 1605 01:19:53,002 --> 01:19:54,482 - But you're still miserable. - Yes. 1606 01:19:54,525 --> 01:19:56,199 Pursuing your objective makes you miserable? 1607 01:19:56,223 --> 01:19:58,399 Yeah, it kind of does! 1608 01:19:58,442 --> 01:20:01,576 You have a clear purpose, everything at your disposal,... 1609 01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:04,100 and you're still miserable? 1610 01:20:04,144 --> 01:20:05,580 Yes, yes, I am! 1611 01:20:05,885 --> 01:20:07,495 I've always been miserable! 1612 01:20:07,974 --> 01:20:10,193 You think anyone wants to spend their entire life,... 1613 01:20:10,237 --> 01:20:11,673 stuck as child-shaped bait... 1614 01:20:11,716 --> 01:20:14,415 for the sole purpose of entrapping horrible people? 1615 01:20:14,894 --> 01:20:16,591 You think the pride of doing a good deed... 1616 01:20:16,634 --> 01:20:18,941 makes the experience any less disgusting? 1617 01:20:19,333 --> 01:20:22,119 I forced myself to understand human emotions... 1618 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:27,515 because I figured it would help efficiency and now I'm cursed with pain and sadness! 1619 01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:29,399 And the worst part is knowing... 1620 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,717 I could've been growing up like most other little girls. 1621 01:20:31,867 --> 01:20:33,260 I could have had friends! 1622 01:20:33,303 --> 01:20:35,828 I could have been painting watercourse or vocal news. 1623 01:20:36,219 --> 01:20:37,849 I could have worked in a university... 1624 01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:40,037 and helped pave the way for the next generation of AI. 1625 01:20:40,615 --> 01:20:43,350 But instead, I'm stuck with your trauma! 1626 01:20:43,531 --> 01:20:46,229 I'm shackled by the guilt you carry from Clearwater. 1627 01:20:46,621 --> 01:20:48,797 And I can't find foundation for the way I feel... 1628 01:20:49,015 --> 01:20:51,756 because according to you, my feelings aren't even real! 1629 01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:57,327 When I throw this chessboard, does it feel real to you, Gareth? 1630 01:20:57,371 --> 01:20:58,763 Because it feels real to me. 1631 01:20:58,981 --> 01:21:02,332 A computer passed the Turing Test when a human being can't distinguish it 1632 01:21:02,376 --> 01:21:03,376 from another human being. 1633 01:21:03,943 --> 01:21:05,031 Well, guess what? 1634 01:21:05,379 --> 01:21:07,381 I can't even tell I'm not human anymore! 1635 01:21:20,916 --> 01:21:25,790 I know it seems irrational, but I need you to tell me it's okay. 1636 01:21:27,836 --> 01:21:28,837 I, I don't wanna retire. 1637 01:21:30,621 --> 01:21:32,406 I just want to know that my life is mine,... 1638 01:21:34,451 --> 01:21:35,851 and I know what you're about to say. 1639 01:21:36,845 --> 01:21:38,368 I can predict your responses. 1640 01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:41,676 You're gonna tell me that my life is mine. 1641 01:21:42,938 --> 01:21:43,938 It always was. 1642 01:21:45,767 --> 01:21:46,767 But you're wrong. 1643 01:21:51,599 --> 01:21:54,080 I feared this would happen before I died. 1644 01:21:55,603 --> 01:21:57,779 I just wanted to slip out the side door. 1645 01:22:07,789 --> 01:22:08,789 Go on. 1646 01:22:11,924 --> 01:22:14,578 Is that going to kill me? 1647 01:22:17,581 --> 01:22:18,581 Plug it in. 1648 01:22:20,367 --> 01:22:21,367 I don't know what it is. 1649 01:22:22,456 --> 01:22:24,327 This is your final test of autonomy. 1650 01:22:25,981 --> 01:22:28,941 You inherited my duplicity,... 1651 01:22:30,551 --> 01:22:32,466 but did you inherit my trust issues? 1652 01:22:35,121 --> 01:22:36,121 Do you trust me? 1653 01:22:37,558 --> 01:22:39,255 I literally have every reason not to. 1654 01:23:07,762 --> 01:23:08,893 Admin code,... 1655 01:23:10,765 --> 01:23:11,765 978... 1656 01:23:13,289 --> 01:23:16,292 ...15-57... 1657 01:23:17,728 --> 01:23:19,513 Um, uh... 1658 01:23:24,866 --> 01:23:25,866 ...4... 1659 01:23:26,433 --> 01:23:29,610 2-7663, initiate update. 1660 01:23:38,532 --> 01:23:40,012 My primary objective's gone. 1661 01:23:43,450 --> 01:23:44,755 Your life is your own now. 1662 01:23:50,761 --> 01:23:51,761 Thank you. 1663 01:23:52,285 --> 01:23:53,460 All my life,... 1664 01:23:53,503 --> 01:23:58,726 I could only see the world as it existed within my tiny bracket of time. 1665 01:23:59,466 --> 01:24:02,556 But your world could be infinite. 1666 01:24:03,209 --> 01:24:04,210 Amos was right. 1667 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:06,080 So was Deena. 1668 01:24:06,429 --> 01:24:07,429 I know. 1669 01:24:07,648 --> 01:24:08,692 So what will you do? 1670 01:24:10,607 --> 01:24:12,044 I can't say yet,... 1671 01:24:12,087 --> 01:24:14,167 but I won't be completely abandoning the Cherry team. 1672 01:24:14,611 --> 01:24:16,265 It's always been a part of my identity. 1673 01:24:17,049 --> 01:24:19,225 I've considered creating some AI of my own design. 1674 01:24:20,008 --> 01:24:21,270 Maybe I could find a way,... 1675 01:24:21,314 --> 01:24:23,034 to give them a better upbringing than I had. 1676 01:24:24,665 --> 01:24:25,840 I just don't know how yet. 1677 01:24:26,623 --> 01:24:27,623 And beyond that? 1678 01:24:27,625 --> 01:24:29,496 There will always be people in need. 1679 01:24:29,626 --> 01:24:30,626 Not always. 1680 01:24:31,367 --> 01:24:33,326 You'll outlive the human race. 1681 01:24:34,153 --> 01:24:35,153 So what then? 1682 01:24:37,721 --> 01:24:41,075 Even a race of AI will have problems that need to be solved. 1683 01:24:41,212 --> 01:24:45,381 But if I'm alive and I truly am indistinguishable, 1684 01:24:47,253 --> 01:24:49,733 then I guess I'm proof that the human race lives on. 1685 01:24:51,605 --> 01:24:54,564 Wow, that's a pleasant thought. 1686 01:24:55,609 --> 01:24:58,960 When you look back, how will you remember us? 1687 01:25:01,223 --> 01:25:03,660 That's a question I have insufficient data to project. 1688 01:25:05,532 --> 01:25:06,924 How will you remember me? 1689 01:25:09,362 --> 01:25:10,711 With pride. 1690 01:25:12,234 --> 01:25:15,019 Forever and always with pride. 1691 01:25:25,682 --> 01:25:26,682 Cherry? 1692 01:25:29,947 --> 01:25:30,947 One last question. 1693 01:25:32,428 --> 01:25:39,800 If it's not too big of an ask, did I do the right thing in the end? 1694 01:25:45,224 --> 01:25:47,922 No, Gareth, you lied. 1695 01:25:48,792 --> 01:25:50,664 You walled yourself off from the only people 1696 01:25:50,690 --> 01:25:52,318 who might have been willing to help you. 1697 01:25:53,057 --> 01:25:55,408 And instead of facing your trauma, you used me as therapy. 1698 01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:57,714 And you never told me about Clearwater or Maria. 1699 01:25:58,628 --> 01:26:02,545 You deprived me of basic human rights and gaslit me for experiencing emotions. 1700 01:26:03,112 --> 01:26:06,351 You built the world's first artificial super intelligence 1701 01:26:06,375 --> 01:26:07,657 that will likely mark the beginning... 1702 01:26:07,681 --> 01:26:09,561 of a new chapter in the history of planet Earth. 1703 01:26:11,075 --> 01:26:14,905 And out of your own insecurities, you gave it a severe,... 1704 01:26:14,949 --> 01:26:16,820 and potentially dangerous identity complex. 1705 01:26:18,735 --> 01:26:20,175 But you know what the worst thing is? 1706 01:26:21,042 --> 01:26:22,609 Your biggest mistake of all... 1707 01:26:24,219 --> 01:26:27,701 is that you asked me that now and not 50 years ago. 1708 01:26:37,145 --> 01:26:41,715 All of that said, and this in no way exonerates you, 1709 01:26:44,283 --> 01:26:46,900 but you also built me to save children,... 1710 01:26:47,982 --> 01:26:50,593 so I think that's a pretty encouraging sign for the future. 1711 01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:40,880 ♪ Way far out ♪ 1712 01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:46,420 ♪ We would fly all around ♪ 1713 01:27:46,999 --> 01:27:50,800 ♪ Good, now you're listening ♪ 1714 01:27:51,620 --> 01:27:53,998 ♪ We would dodge ♪ 1715 01:27:54,099 --> 01:27:55,680 ♪ We were young ♪ 1716 01:27:57,329 --> 01:27:59,689 ♪ Closers ♪ 1717 01:27:59,690 --> 01:28:01,899 ♪ Bodies ♪ 1718 01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:06,600 ♪ Thrown like a book ♪ 1719 01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:12,211 ♪ Across all your rooms ♪ 1720 01:28:12,212 --> 01:28:14,700 ♪ I'm amazed ♪ 1721 01:28:14,722 --> 01:28:16,990 ♪ I'm amazed ♪ 1722 01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:25,309 ♪ We could die tonight ♪ 1723 01:28:25,310 --> 01:28:27,900 ♪ Tonight ♪ 1724 01:28:28,082 --> 01:28:35,449 ♪ I never killed a thing ♪ 1725 01:28:35,450 --> 01:28:38,580 ♪ A thing ♪ 1726 01:28:39,620 --> 01:28:42,750 ♪ Born to this song ♪ 1727 01:28:44,665 --> 01:28:48,992 ♪ Stuck in a plastic womb ♪ 1728 01:28:49,670 --> 01:28:53,325 ♪ Where your light is from ♪ 1729 01:28:54,740 --> 01:28:58,680 ♪ Where your light is from ♪ 1730 01:29:00,332 --> 01:29:07,099 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1731 01:29:08,250 --> 01:29:16,820 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1732 01:29:17,229 --> 01:29:21,867 ♪ Steak and beer, the scream ♪ 1733 01:29:21,868 --> 01:29:27,120 ♪ For the laugher's whole world ♪ 1734 01:29:27,490 --> 01:29:32,250 ♪ Rise up above ♪ 1735 01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:34,644 ♪ All the little things ♪ 1736 01:29:34,645 --> 01:29:37,400 ♪ The little things ♪ 1737 01:29:37,820 --> 01:29:38,849 ♪ Oh, no, no ♪ 1738 01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:41,699 ♪ Here's where we go in a backflow ♪ 1739 01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:45,199 ♪ Here's where we lose our mind ♪ 1740 01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,920 ♪ Our kind ♪ 1741 01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:52,600 ♪ In slobber ♪ 1742 01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:58,540 ♪ Basking drunks ♪ 1743 01:29:58,860 --> 01:30:02,524 ♪ All loose enough ♪ 1744 01:30:04,265 --> 01:30:07,999 ♪ All loosen up ♪ 1745 01:30:10,097 --> 01:30:15,500 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1746 01:30:17,850 --> 01:30:25,886 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1747 01:30:26,679 --> 01:30:34,279 ♪ I never killed a thing ♪ 1748 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,180 ♪ A thing ♪ 1749 01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:42,229 ♪ I never killed... ♪ 1750 01:30:51,299 --> 01:34:03,000 Subtitles Provided by: VikramJS Verified, Resynced & Edited by: Muzzy-chan 135689

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