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I'm flying into this majestic world
of rock and ice in a military helicopter
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because this valley is on the border
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between the Himalaya's most quarrelsome
neighbours - India and Pakistan.
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With supreme irony,
they call this place Concordia.
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It's a beautiful but harsh land which you enter
at your peril. 0hl See what I mean?
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I'm at 14,500 feet in the heart
of the Karakoram mountains.
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If anywhere can be called
"the hall of the mountain kings", this is it.
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Clustered around me are ten
of the world's 30 highest peaks,
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dominated by K2 -
the second highest mountain in the world.
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It's known as the killer mountain
and is a much harder climb than Everest.
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There's not just natural splendour here,
there's human drama as well.
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To the east the Indian and Pakistan armies
face each other in a high altitude stand-off
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in these ice-bound conditions.
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It's scarcely believable that two oxygen-starved
armies eyeball one another down there
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with only a UN line of control to keep them apart.
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This means I can't cross from Pakistan
to India through the mountains.
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Instead I must go to the one official
crossing point on the border near Lahore.
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Lahore is an often beautiful, always busy, city,
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proud of its military and literary traditions.
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You may not think so, but this is one
of the most important objects in Lahore -
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Zamzama, the great cannon.
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It was first fired in anger about 250 years ago,
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and they say that who holds
the cannon holds the Punjab.
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Which maybe accounts for why it appears
in Rudyard Kipling's "Kim".
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"He sat, in defiance of municipal orders,
astride the gun Zamzama."
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This is the gun that Rudyard Kipling's Kim
sat astride.
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Oh! It's very hot this afternoon.
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The Moguls, who came from central Asia
600 years ago, left a mark on Lahore.
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The Shalimar Gardens, created by the man
who built the TajMahal.
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The Badshahi Mosque whose courtyard
can hold 60,000 worshippers.
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And in Lahore Fort,
the exquisite Palace of Mirrors.
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They say it was here that Emperor Akbar
caught his favourite courtesan
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exchanging a glance with this son.
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True to the Mogul image of good taste
and bad temper, he had her walled up alive.
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0ur penultimate day in Pakistan
and I'm looking across the border at India.
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(CHEERING)
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Here at Wagah, the old military ceremony
of lowering the flag
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has been turned into an entertainment.
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The partition of India in 1947 was traumatic.
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Nearly a million were killed in sectarian fury
as the two new nations were born.
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Nearly 60 years later,
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that aggression has been channelled
into a largely good-natured ritual.
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Crowds can root for their country,
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whilst guardsmen lay on a display
of carefully choreographed contempt.
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This is chauvinism at its most camp.
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The Pakistan Rangers demonstrate
how angry you can get without hitting anyone.
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As the moment of flag-lowering grows closer,
the crowd's excitement grows more vocal.
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National passions are further inflamed
by a display of precision nastiness
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in which thumbs are used to terrifying effect.
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(CHEERING)
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(PLAYS LAST POST)
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Now the moment they've been waiting for -
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the guards, fans sprouting from their turbans
like raised hackles,
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measure out the lengths of rope.
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And they must get it spot on,
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so that the tricolour of secular India
and the crescent moon of Muslim Pakistan
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descend at exactly the same time.
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(SOLDIER SHOUTS COMMANDS)
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Despite the show of bellicosity,
this is a combined operation
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with both sides working together.
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It ends with a flourish -
a quadrille of stamping soldiers,
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the briefest of handshakes, the border
between India and Pakistan is sealed.
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Job done.
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Next morning, the crowds of spectators are
gone - to be replaced by a crowd of porters.
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22, in fact, carrying our 40-odd
pieces of equipment up to the border.
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Here, they're received
by 22 equally fortunate Indian porters.
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A beady-eyed Pakistan Ranger
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makes sure there is no illegal immigration
across the white border line.
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So we leave one country where no elected
government has ever completed its term
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and enter one where nearly a billion
use the ballot box.
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The Indian way is immediately apparent.
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This man must be telepathic.
He certainly knows what's on my mind.
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That was your question? A beer? Thunderbolt.
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That's what you need
after... four weeks of abstinence.
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You're not allowed to drink in public in Pakistan.
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They know that as soon as you get
across the border, this is what you need.
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But after four weeks, I feel fit, younger, better.
I don't know what to do with this.
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Oh.
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Buoyed up by beer and the relief
that always comes from crossing a frontier,
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I hop into a local minibus, which takes me
the ten miles to the first Indian city.
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Neither Muslim nor Hindu,
Amritsar is a Sikh town.
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I know a bit about Sikhs - the turbans
and the hair that should never be cut
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and their reputation
as fierce warriors and shrewd businessmen -
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but to learn more I make for Amritsar's
most holy site - the Golden Temple.
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- This is for going into the temple?
- Yes.
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I need one of these? What is it?
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What is it? A scarf or a hat?
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Ten rupees? OK. How do I wear it?
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Can you show me? Ah.
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I see. It's my own sort of semi-turban.
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Not the real thing. Thank you very much.
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Though they seem
a relaxed and worldly people,
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the Sikhs demand
a strict dress code for the temple.
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Apart from covering my head,
I must leave my shoes and socks behind.
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I'm also required to wash my hands,
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divest myself of tobacco, intoxicants and
narcotics, and enter via a cleansing pool.
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There are an estimated 20 million Sikhs
in India - 2% of the population.
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They believe in one God for all,
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with no human hierarchies or priesthoods,
idols or icons coming in between.
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It sounds modest.
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But when I see the golden
Hari Mandir - the holy of holies -
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"modest" is not the first word
that comes to mind.
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The Golden Temple -
covered in 500 kilograms of gold -
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is only a small part of an enormous complex.
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In the kitchens,
volunteers prepare a simple, free meal
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for anyone who wants it.
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Chapatti, dhal, pickle and water,
24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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This is the chapattiproduction line.
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These are the dhal vats.
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In sweatshop conditions,
thousands of kilos of lentil curry
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are stirred in titanic cauldrons.
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I sample the result
with a young Sikh, 0nkar Singh.
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So, essentially, they give a basic meal
to... whoever turns up?
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- Yes.
- Within reason.
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- This must be a very big operation.
- Yes.
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How many meals do they provide a day?
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Basically, this kitchen
is open 24 hours to everybody.
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And every day, 40 to 50,000 people
come here and have food.
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(PALIN) What sort of people are they?
Poor people who can't get food?
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Or people like us making documentaries?
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(SINGH) This is a basic thing
of every Sikh temple,
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essential for every Sikh temple,
everybody has to come in the kitchen.
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The third Guru, who started this tradition -
Guru Amar Das -
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said, "If you want to meet me,
first go to the kitchen."
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He said that because
if anybody has ego or pride,
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here everyone learns the lesson of equality.
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- That's what it's about.
- No matter which class, which religion.
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(PALIN) So it's probably more important
for someone who is rich
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to come along and eat with everybody else.
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Even King Akbar came here
and had to sit equally with everybody.
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So the answer to your question is
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no matter if one is poor or rich,
they come here, have food and bless God.
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- This is the essence of the kitchen.
- That's great.
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On Saturday and Sunday
there are limitless people.
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- About 100,000 people come here.
- 100,000?
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Both floors - the ground floor
and first floor - are busy.
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Then on the pavements,
they sit there and start eating.
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This is voluntary work, and the washing-up
may be done by doctors, lawyers,
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bricklayers, rickshaw drivers
or anyone who enjoys making a noise.
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(CRASHING)
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This causeway leads to the Hari Mandir -
the most holy part of the temple.
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Crowds wait to pay their respects
to the Guru Granth -
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the holy book of the Sikh religion.
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(SOFT MUSIC)
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In the holy book are the sacred Ragas,
written by Guru Nanak,
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who founded Sikhism in the 17th century.
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These are performed by the musicians
and singers in the holy of holies.
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They ring round the temple for 16 hours a day.
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It's takes 2.5 days to chant the whole book,
then it starts again.
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(MUSIC AND SONG RINGS OUT)
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If you want to stay the night,
there's a hotel out the back.
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- Oops.
- Lots of people.
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It's already busy, isn't it?
How many people can they take here?
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- Well, about 25,000 people can stay here.
- At one time?
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- At one time, yes.
- Gigantic.
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- Isn't it?
- Yes, yes.
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Thank you. Oh, bathroom. Lovely.
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- Michael?
- Yes?
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(TOILET WON'T FLUSH)
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- (FLUSHES)
- Very efficient.
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Yeah, that's good. A shower for short people.
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Everything you need.
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- Jacuzzi?
- No.
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It's all right. I'll make my own. Thank you.
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Very nice. That's extremely palatial.
Thank you very much. OK.
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Well, it's not bad.
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No divans, but where else in the world
could you get...
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a bathroom, two enormous king-size beds
for 65p a night?
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(FAINT TRUMPET CRY)
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It's ten o'clock and something is stirring
as the devotional day draws to a climax.
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(TRUMPET CALL AND CHANTING)
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Followed by a man
who keeps the air clean above it,
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the holy book is borne out of the Hari
Mandir on a pillow and laid on a palanquin.
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The book is regarded
as the 11th and last Guru of Sikhism
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and it, or rather "he", will be taken across
the causeway and, literally, put to bed.
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The doors are shut and fastened.
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The book is laid on the bed and covered up
until, at 2.30 tomorrow morning,
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it will be woken up to start another day
at the Golden Temple.
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This is Kalka station,
starting point for the Himalayan Queen -
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a train that will take me up
to the hill town of Shimla or Simla.
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It's the start of school holidays
and the train is packed.
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The Himalayan Queen will take me
only 57 miles, but we will climb 7,000 feet.
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With me on the journey
is local historian, Raaja Bhasin,
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which is just as well,
as I'm having trouble finding my seat.
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There we are.
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That's me. Unless there's another Michael P.
And there you are, Raja Bassin.
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There's no dining car, but there is
home cooking courtesy of a fellow passenger.
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Thank you very much. That's lovely. What is this?
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- This is puri.
- Puri. Puri and?
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Made out of wheat flour. These are potatoes.
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- Lovely.
- With Indian spices.
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- Lovely. This is your picnic for the family?
- Yes. Holiday time with my family.
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Lovely. And why did you choose
to go to Shimla?
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- Because it is nearby.
- Where are you from?
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- I am from Delhi.
- Right. Did you start very early?
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Yeah. Four o'clock I wake up,
I cooked food. Six o'clock we left...
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- Yeah. I cook this.
- That's a labour of love.
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At 7.40 we boarded the train.
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(PALIN) Is Delhi a very high-pressure city?
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- Yes. Very much so.
- What do you do?
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I work with the government of India,
Ministry of Defence.
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Secret work?
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Yes, well... Buying British weapons, we hope!
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When the British ruled India,
Simla was their summer headquarters.
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Until the railway was built 100 years ago,
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everything would have been carried up here
by horse or donkey.
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Some of the stations
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and, indeed, all the bridges and tunnels look
the way they must have done when it opened.
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- That's true.
- They've stood the test of time.
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And very well. Most of the stone abutments
have been built by a raw stone dressing,
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no mortar.
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The bridges are old-fashioned Roman
aqueducts, still functioning perfectly.
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In actual terms of construction,
nothing has really altered.
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There are 103 tunnels on the line,
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one of them built by a Colonel Barog,
who had it dug from both ends.
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When they didn't meet in the middle,
he shot himself.
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You're a school? A school party going to Shimla?
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- Here.
- Here?
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So they're leaving the train now.
How long are they? For a week here?
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- Four days.
- You're their teacher?
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- Yes.
- Good luck!
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- Thank you. We'll have a nice time.
- A very nice time.
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The delicacies at the station buffet
seemed a good way of repaying my friend.
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- In return for the puri.
- No.
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But, of course, she wouldn't have it.
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- How much are they?
- Ten rupees.
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Two for ten.
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Fortunately, I know someone who'll eat anything.
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I only got two, I'm afraid,
and I'm going to eat both of them.
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There you are. Go on, Nige.
Would you like it with tomato?
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Dip it in the tomato.
You're getting quite a gourmet!
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We climb higher, pulling out of
the dense jungle and into Alpine woodland.
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I press Raaja to explain some
of the more dubious legends of the railway.
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How about the "kissing tunnel",
this story I heard?
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Yes. Barog is over a kilometre long.
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To go through the tunnel takes about four
minutes - time enough to snatch a kiss.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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That's a Jane Austen-ish kiss.
Nowadays they'd have had a family by then.
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- Absolutely.
- Sorry.
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So that's why it's called
the "kissing tunnel"? Ah.
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So you figured out who was sitting where
and what you had to do with whom,
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and the moment you entered the tunnel...
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(PALIN) Oh, stop it! Get off me!
Oh, Raaja! Please. Ooh!
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(BOTH LAUGH)
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(PALIN) I didn't know you cared.
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Simla, the hill station, is now Shimla,
the provincial capital,
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but the imperial legacy remains.
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The Viceroy's palace -
Victorian self-confidence set in stone -
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still dominates the town.
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One fifth of humanity was ruled from here.
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As much as that?
The British Empire at that time?
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Yes. That was the Viceroy's office.
For eight months in the year...
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Simla was officially the summer capital,
but really remained the real capital.
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For eight months in the year
the government was stationed at Simla.
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From March, April to October, November.
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Someone like Gandhi, who was a modest
man, what would he have felt coming here?
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He disliked it. The other thing was that
while everybody else came in rickshaws -
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human-pulled rickshaws,
two pulling, two pushing -
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Gandhi invariably walked to the place
while Nehru invariably used a horse.
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Despite 60 years of independence,
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Shimla still feels like an Indian Tunbridge Wells.
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- Where's this?
- This is the Ridge.
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- A parade ground.
- The Ridge, the town's largest open space.
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We're walking along a natural watershed now.
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The flow from the right goes down to the Bay
of Bengal and from the left to the Arabian Sea.
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Extraordinary. Is that partly
why they chose this spot?
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- It's wonderful. Dividing India.
- Yes. Or sitting astride it.
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Sitting astride it, yes. It's an imposition, isn't it?
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The old Gaiety Theatre survives,
saved from retirement by the Indian Army,
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who use it as a club
and put on the occasional production.
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We're on stage...
What a jewel of a theatre, isn't it?
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It's beautiful.
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Someone said that Shimla was a bit like
Cheltenham, and I can see what they mean.
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Yes, locking India outside the door.
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What sort of names would have been here?
Famous names?
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Yes, and not necessarily connected with theatre.
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- There's Baden-Powell.
- The founder of the Scouts?
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I never thought of him as a thesp!
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He did a play here before he went off
to the Boer War. And Kipling.
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What sort of plays would they have played here
and who would have supplied the cast?
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They were mostly drawing-room comedies,
the occasional musical.
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Yeah.
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And in them would be government officers
who spent most of their time acting.
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- There's a play on tonight. What time?
- 6.30.
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We'd better go. I'm sure they'd prefer to see us.
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Tonight's play is an early work
by Michael Frayn.
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The audience and actors are all army.
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Before we start, we've got a surprise for you.
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May I present to you Mr Michael Palin?
Please come forward, Mr Michael Palin.
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- Thank you. Thank you very much.
- (APPLAUSE)
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If I might crave your indulgence
for a few moments.
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My name is Michael Palin
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and I'm with the BBC
filming a journey through the Himalayas.
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We couldn't come to the Himalayas
without coming to India,
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or to India without coming to Shimla,
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and we couldn't come to Shimla
without coming to the Gaiety.
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I'm excited to be here on the stage of a theatre
that would be the envy of many towns.
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I hope you enjoy the production. Many of you
are army people so, by the right, quick, laugh!
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(LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)
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00:29:17,527 --> 00:29:21,520
There's a certain irony
in coming 8,000 miles to India
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to see a suburban comedy set in Surrey.
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Sorry, John.
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(SLURRING) Jo, is there anything that I can do?
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No. Just getting the place straight.
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Why don't you go back into the kitchen and relax?
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00:29:44,767 --> 00:29:48,316
It's lonely in the kitchen. There's no one to talk to.
309
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The actors on stage work closely
with their fellow actors off stage.
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- (SHE PROMPTS THE LINES)
- No, Barney.
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It's no good looking at me like that.
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I'm not amused. You just stay there
and don't you come out until I tell you.
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- What are you doing?
- I'll just...
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When the curtain comes down, it's no surprise
that the biggest round of the evening
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is reserved for Mrs Vijaylakshmi Sood -
the prompter.
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Mrs Vijaylakshmi Sood.
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And the make-up in charge, Mrs Andrew Kappa.
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(APPLAUSE)
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And our special guest, Mr Michael Plain.
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(APPLAUSE)
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Next morning, Michael Plain and driver
head north to an altogether less happy place.
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A battleground since independence and still
one of the world's flashpoints - Kashmir.
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60,000 have died in fighting
over the last 15 years.
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00:31:07,207 --> 00:31:11,564
A bomb on the road north
has just killed 33 people.
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00:31:11,727 --> 00:31:14,844
The root cause goes back 60 years.
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00:31:15,927 --> 00:31:20,955
At partition in 1947,
Kashmir was a princely state,
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free to choose if it wanted
to stay in India or join Pakistan.
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00:31:25,327 --> 00:31:31,277
The Maharajah chose India.
The trouble is that Kashmir was 80% Muslim.
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00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:37,958
In Kashmir, heaven and hell come pretty close.
330
00:31:38,127 --> 00:31:43,838
Swanning about like Cleopatra in a barge
on Dal Lake, I feel completely at peace.
331
00:31:44,007 --> 00:31:50,355
But in the city of Srinagar on the shores
of the lake, a nasty war slowly grinds on.
332
00:31:55,567 --> 00:32:00,118
The British loved the lake
but weren't allowed to own land around it,
333
00:32:00,287 --> 00:32:04,075
so instead they built houseboats
like manor houses.
334
00:32:11,087 --> 00:32:13,555
They're mostly run as hotels now.
335
00:32:13,727 --> 00:32:18,323
I am staying with Mr Gulam Butt,
proprietor of Clermont Houseboats -
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once the most sought after on the lake.
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00:32:21,527 --> 00:32:23,518
Mr Butt?
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00:32:23,687 --> 00:32:28,636
- I'm so happy to see you here.
- You've had a few people before me.
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00:32:28,807 --> 00:32:33,801
- They've all stayed here. George Harrison.
- My dear friend George.
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00:32:33,967 --> 00:32:39,166
- He was here with Ravi Shankar.
- What year was he here?
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00:32:39,327 --> 00:32:42,399
- That was 1966.
- 1966. Gosh.
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00:32:42,567 --> 00:32:48,437
And one evening they had
a big musician party on the lawn.
343
00:32:48,607 --> 00:32:53,886
That's Joan Fontaine,
the famous American movie star.
344
00:32:54,047 --> 00:32:57,164
Nelson Rockefeller!
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00:32:57,327 --> 00:33:02,720
Mr Butt's hall of fame is impressive -
14 ambassadors have stayed here -
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but the names stop in the 1980s
347
00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:09,884
and the faces on his wall
are from another, more confident, era.
348
00:33:10,047 --> 00:33:14,916
Astronaut who went on the moon.
The first man. That's Neil Armstrong.
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00:33:15,087 --> 00:33:19,365
- Is that Neil Armstrong, really?
- Yes. He was here.
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00:33:19,527 --> 00:33:23,805
Wow. And they come here for peace and quiet?
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00:33:23,967 --> 00:33:29,678
Peace and quiet and for holidaying on the
houseboat, enjoying the lake and my garden.
352
00:33:29,847 --> 00:33:31,838
Good. I want to see it.
353
00:33:32,007 --> 00:33:38,242
I'll show you, when you have time,
the guest books, what remarks they have written.
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00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:43,720
- Have you still got people coming now?
- Yes. Unfortunately, not...
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00:33:43,887 --> 00:33:47,960
Mostly journalists, because since 1990...
You know all that.
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00:33:48,127 --> 00:33:53,804
- There's been a lot of troubles.
- Yes, since 1990, because of the problems.
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00:33:53,967 --> 00:33:58,757
Sadly, the boat on which Ravi Shankar
taught George Harrison the sitar
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00:33:58,927 --> 00:34:00,918
is now half-submerged.
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00:34:01,087 --> 00:34:06,605
Despite the troubles, Mr Butt's optimism
has kept the bulk of his business afloat.
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00:34:06,767 --> 00:34:09,839
...paradise on earth.
361
00:34:10,007 --> 00:34:15,001
This is on the upper part of the lake.
The houseboats were started in 1880.
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00:34:15,167 --> 00:34:19,399
- I should shower some flowers on you, sir.
- Thank you.
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00:34:19,567 --> 00:34:24,243
This is an affectionate way
to greet you with flowers
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00:34:24,407 --> 00:34:27,240
while you are entering my houseboat.
365
00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:34,358
This is the houseboat. Now we go in.
And I show you. This is the living room.
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- (PALIN) It's a palace, isn't it? Fit for a queen.
- This is a small room on water for you.
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00:34:41,007 --> 00:34:43,919
I hope that you'll enjoy your stay here.
368
00:34:49,327 --> 00:34:51,318
It's lovely. Thanks. Bye.
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00:35:10,207 --> 00:35:14,962
Pakistan and India have played
for high stakes in Kashmir.
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00:35:15,127 --> 00:35:19,917
At Dal Lake, it's almost impossible
to believe that in 2001
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00:35:20,087 --> 00:35:26,526
the threat of nuclear war brought a paradise
like this to the brink of destruction.
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00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:58,557
A full-scale conflict may have been avoided,
but issues are still unresolved
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and the fight for Kashmir goes on.
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00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:07,835
0nly a week before we arrived,
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00:36:08,007 --> 00:36:12,285
Indian security forces used mortars
to clear this hotel in Srinagar
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of what they suspected
were two Pakistani-backed militants.
377
00:36:22,527 --> 00:36:28,841
Casualties of war lie in the local cemetery
and in many others throughout Kashmir.
378
00:36:29,007 --> 00:36:33,478
This is a Muslim graveyard
and they call their victims "martyrs".
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Some fought deliberately,
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00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:41,963
others, like the mother and child killed
at the hotel, were never given the choice.
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00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:54,723
This feels like an occupied country.
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00:36:56,647 --> 00:37:01,118
Tourism, once the lifeblood of Kashmir,
has been hard hit.
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As governments warn against travel,
international interest has all but dried up.
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(THUNDER CRACKS)
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A downpour only adds to the air of melancholy
that hangs over Srinagar,
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00:38:10,047 --> 00:38:14,040
as I'm shown around by Faruk,
a local businessman.
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00:38:15,127 --> 00:38:21,680
Do you think the city is suffering quite
a lot from the problems, or the violence?
388
00:38:21,847 --> 00:38:25,556
Very much. The last 14 years very much.
389
00:38:25,727 --> 00:38:28,082
- You see this house?
- Yes.
390
00:38:29,727 --> 00:38:33,117
Srinagar has echoes of Belfast in the 1970s.
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00:38:33,287 --> 00:38:38,645
It's a city scarred by siege,
pockmarked by damage and neglect,
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00:38:38,807 --> 00:38:45,440
a city waiting for the nightmare to end
and the symbols of hatred to disappear.
393
00:38:54,847 --> 00:39:01,002
Perched in the Himalayan foothills near
Dharamsala is the village of McLeod Ganj.
394
00:39:02,607 --> 00:39:08,398
It's a nondescript place, but travellers
from all over the world flock here.
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00:39:19,447 --> 00:39:25,443
Alongside local poverty is a parallel economy
geared to well-heeled Westerners.
396
00:39:25,607 --> 00:39:32,126
The reason for all this is religion -
neither Hindu nor Muslim, but Buddhist.
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00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:35,996
(LOW CHANTING)
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00:39:37,167 --> 00:39:39,761
Ten years after the Chinese
took over his country,
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the Dalai Lama, fearing imprisonment,
fled across the Himalaya from Tibet.
400
00:39:47,047 --> 00:39:52,599
India's Prime Minister Nehru risked
Chinese wrath to offer him sanctuary.
401
00:39:54,327 --> 00:39:59,606
This is where the leader of Tibetan Buddhism
lives, surrounded by his followers.
402
00:40:15,207 --> 00:40:19,758
These Indian hill villages
have become known as Little Lhasa.
403
00:40:19,927 --> 00:40:24,762
In this monastery, prayer flags hang
above golden-white stupas.
404
00:40:24,927 --> 00:40:29,159
0vens burning juniper and cedar
make smoke trails up to the gods
405
00:40:29,327 --> 00:40:34,720
and prayer wheels send good thoughts
spinning out into the world.
406
00:40:41,767 --> 00:40:44,600
Buddhism is an outgoing, inclusive religion
407
00:40:44,767 --> 00:40:48,646
and they seem happy
to let me take part in a ceremony
408
00:40:48,807 --> 00:40:51,685
whose purpose is a complete mystery to me.
409
00:40:51,847 --> 00:40:54,600
(CHANTING)
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00:40:58,927 --> 00:41:04,559
0n a count of three, I, like everyone else,
throw into the air my handful of "sampa" -
411
00:41:04,727 --> 00:41:07,195
roast barley flour...
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00:41:10,247 --> 00:41:14,035
and, like everyone else, feel a lot better for it.
413
00:41:17,327 --> 00:41:22,959
Young Tibetans like Thupten Tsewang
have never seen their ancestral homeland.
414
00:41:23,127 --> 00:41:27,598
Your parents had to leave Tibet,
I assume, did they?
415
00:41:27,767 --> 00:41:33,637
Yes. They came to India in around 1960s.
416
00:41:33,807 --> 00:41:36,958
During that time they ran away in a group.
417
00:41:37,127 --> 00:41:42,121
- Do you think you'll ever go to Tibet?
- No. I would like to go.
418
00:41:42,287 --> 00:41:48,601
But it's really difficult at this moment.
We have special procedures to follow.
419
00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:54,239
The unlikelihood of ever seeing Tibet
doesn't seem to have dampened spirits.
420
00:41:54,407 --> 00:41:56,557
- It's beautiful work.
- Yes.
421
00:41:56,727 --> 00:42:00,766
This is our Thangka painting studio.
The Norbulingka Institute.
422
00:42:00,927 --> 00:42:07,116
Everywhere you look enormous energy
is devoted to keeping the culture alive.
423
00:42:07,287 --> 00:42:12,486
In this workshop they produce "Thangkas" -
decorated religious scrolls.
424
00:42:12,647 --> 00:42:17,243
They seem very young,
most of the people working here.
425
00:42:17,407 --> 00:42:21,400
People who would never have been to Tibet.
426
00:42:21,567 --> 00:42:26,800
How is it organised? Are they under
the guidance of people who are Tibetan?
427
00:42:26,967 --> 00:42:29,640
- All of them are Tibetan...
- Been to Tibet.
428
00:42:29,807 --> 00:42:31,604
Yes. All are Tibetans.
429
00:42:31,767 --> 00:42:38,206
How we organise this, we have a master
under whose guidance the students learn.
430
00:42:38,367 --> 00:42:41,837
- Are they in great demand?
- Yes.
431
00:42:42,007 --> 00:42:45,397
I can say that because we have a pile of orders.
432
00:42:45,567 --> 00:42:51,278
If you order a Thangka right now,
you have to wait for five or six years.
433
00:42:51,447 --> 00:42:53,802
- Five or six years?
- Yes.
434
00:42:54,927 --> 00:42:58,636
The Tibetan diaspora
is a worldwide phenomenon
435
00:42:58,807 --> 00:43:05,121
and the demand for images makes the work
profitable as well as educational.
436
00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:25,076
The commitment is demanding. A metal
sculpture apprenticeship takes 12 years.
437
00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:38,800
Not just craftsmanship is kept alive.
438
00:43:38,967 --> 00:43:43,324
Children are taught Tibetan song and dance.
439
00:43:43,487 --> 00:43:47,002
(CHILDREN SING)
440
00:43:48,687 --> 00:43:54,557
- This is traditional Tibetan music?
- Yes. Very traditional music.
441
00:43:54,727 --> 00:43:58,766
It was started nine years back, this event.
442
00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:05,036
The theme is to let the Tibetan children
know their own cultural songs and dances.
443
00:44:05,207 --> 00:44:10,884
Because we are losing it, being influenced
by Hindi songs, Bollywood songs.
444
00:44:11,047 --> 00:44:14,722
So there's a danger
of these old songs being forgotten?
445
00:44:14,887 --> 00:44:20,041
The children didn't have the contact,
so such events have been organised.
446
00:44:20,207 --> 00:44:25,645
- Today is a celebration of Gandhi.
- Yes. It's Gandhi's birthday today.
447
00:44:25,807 --> 00:44:29,004
So the children enjoy doing the Tibetan music?
448
00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:32,239
They don't mind
being weaned away from Bollywood?
449
00:44:32,407 --> 00:44:36,446
No. You can see from their faces.
They're excited, I guess.
450
00:44:36,607 --> 00:44:40,156
(RHYTHMIC SINGING AND MUSIC)
451
00:44:59,607 --> 00:45:02,405
(APPLAUSE)
452
00:45:09,287 --> 00:45:13,758
Keeping world opinion on their side
is important to the Tibetans in exile.
453
00:45:13,927 --> 00:45:18,364
They offer all types of services
including this astrology centre
454
00:45:18,527 --> 00:45:22,042
which can tell you what you were
in your previous life
455
00:45:22,207 --> 00:45:24,767
and what you'll become in the next.
456
00:45:28,367 --> 00:45:35,284
Having sent my birth details to the experts
upstairs, I've come to hear the results.
457
00:45:37,007 --> 00:45:39,601
Mr Palin, this way, please.
458
00:45:39,767 --> 00:45:43,203
My astrologer's name is Phurbu Tsering.
459
00:45:43,367 --> 00:45:49,397
So this is my astrological chart
which will show, among other things,
460
00:45:49,567 --> 00:45:55,199
what I will be reincarnated as
and what I am reincarnated as. Is that right?
461
00:45:55,367 --> 00:45:59,645
- Yes.
- Wow. I'm shaking a little bit.
462
00:45:59,807 --> 00:46:04,403
- Really? No need.
- I've never known this information before.
463
00:46:04,567 --> 00:46:07,286
Oh. Here we go. Right.
464
00:46:09,127 --> 00:46:11,163
I see. Yes.
465
00:46:11,327 --> 00:46:16,162
So the real stuff comes here. Oh, there's a lot.
466
00:46:18,847 --> 00:46:24,524
Here we are. "You were likely
to be an elephant in your previous life."
467
00:46:24,687 --> 00:46:28,726
Oh, that's... I've always been kind to elephants.
468
00:46:28,887 --> 00:46:30,878
An elephant charged me once.
469
00:46:31,047 --> 00:46:35,279
It probably recognised me
and wanted to say hello.
470
00:46:35,447 --> 00:46:41,363
"But you are going to be born as a daughter
of a rich family in the West again."
471
00:46:41,527 --> 00:46:44,360
I don't know what to say to that, really.
472
00:46:44,527 --> 00:46:50,557
It's not too bad. Sometimes, I suppose,
you have to give rather bad news to people.
473
00:46:50,727 --> 00:46:52,797
Yes, but in that case...
474
00:46:52,967 --> 00:46:55,925
This is all based on your date of birth.
475
00:46:56,087 --> 00:46:59,477
Based on the individual's date of birth, time.
476
00:46:59,647 --> 00:47:03,686
At that time this whole life is a map like that,
477
00:47:03,847 --> 00:47:10,161
and he or she may be born again
as some sort of... bad life, bad birth.
478
00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:13,797
In that case, it doesn't mean that it's all fixed.
479
00:47:13,967 --> 00:47:18,199
You can change it by yourself
through a special approach
480
00:47:18,367 --> 00:47:21,165
or through your own hard work.
481
00:47:21,327 --> 00:47:26,685
So if I was going to be born again
as a sort of... mosquito,
482
00:47:26,847 --> 00:47:29,122
there's still time for me to change?
483
00:47:29,287 --> 00:47:32,802
Yes, yes. It's all in your hands. In this life.
484
00:47:32,967 --> 00:47:38,485
You see, I'm really against all this.
I don't believe in anything predestined.
485
00:47:38,647 --> 00:47:41,878
I'd prefer to think that some exercise of free will
486
00:47:42,047 --> 00:47:46,438
can control the course of my life -
that's how I was brought up.
487
00:47:46,607 --> 00:47:52,716
So it's interesting that you're saying here
that you can change your life.
488
00:47:52,887 --> 00:47:58,245
But I was an elephant... so I'll always
remain having been an elephant?
489
00:47:58,407 --> 00:48:03,925
- I can't change that. I was an elephant.
- An elephant in your previous birth.
490
00:48:04,087 --> 00:48:08,160
Do you know what you were in a previous life?
491
00:48:08,327 --> 00:48:11,558
No, because I don't have my own date of birth.
492
00:48:11,727 --> 00:48:14,844
You don't know exactly when you were born?
493
00:48:15,007 --> 00:48:19,603
My parents didn't have all the records
for us, so I don't have.
494
00:48:19,767 --> 00:48:22,964
When the Chinese invaded our country...
495
00:48:23,127 --> 00:48:27,200
- Yes.
- So most of the youth of my age...
496
00:48:27,367 --> 00:48:33,044
The records were destroyed
because your parents had to leave Tibet.
497
00:48:33,207 --> 00:48:36,199
If you believe this or not,
I was born on the roadside.
498
00:48:36,367 --> 00:48:40,963
Many of the youth of our age at that time
were born on the roadsides.
499
00:48:41,927 --> 00:48:44,839
(LOW CHANTING)
500
00:48:54,687 --> 00:48:58,396
The head of the Tibetan government-in-exile
501
00:48:58,567 --> 00:49:04,085
is this son of peasant farmers -
His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama.
502
00:49:11,327 --> 00:49:15,445
At the age of two, this man -
who likes to call himself a simple monk -
503
00:49:15,607 --> 00:49:21,045
was proved by various tests to be
the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama.
504
00:49:21,207 --> 00:49:25,678
When he dies, he'll be reborn
as the 15th Dalai Lama.
505
00:49:30,967 --> 00:49:35,358
Morning prayers are open to people
from all over the world
506
00:49:35,527 --> 00:49:38,837
and the Dalai Lama seems pleased to see them,
507
00:49:39,007 --> 00:49:42,795
whilst men in grey suits provide discreet security.
508
00:49:53,207 --> 00:49:57,439
I've been granted a one-to-one audience
with His Holiness.
509
00:49:57,607 --> 00:50:02,237
But before that,
he's agreed to meet 700 other people.
510
00:50:02,407 --> 00:50:07,242
In a smoothly organised operation,
a line of pilgrims and fans
511
00:50:07,407 --> 00:50:13,243
is moved briskly up the driveway
and past the balcony of his bungalow.
512
00:50:17,687 --> 00:50:23,239
In return for queuing patiently,
they receive a handshake, direct eye contact
513
00:50:23,407 --> 00:50:27,559
and a sacred cord blessed by him.
514
00:50:44,407 --> 00:50:47,524
The Dalai Lama
greets his Western admirers first.
515
00:50:47,687 --> 00:50:50,406
Then it's the Nepalese and Tibetans.
516
00:50:50,567 --> 00:50:54,719
0nly they get packets of herbal pills
blessed by His Holiness
517
00:50:54,887 --> 00:50:57,606
which will cure coughs and colds.
518
00:51:02,647 --> 00:51:06,117
If the international pilgrims seem almost blas�,
519
00:51:06,287 --> 00:51:10,599
the Tibetans are quite visibly awed
by his presence.
520
00:51:17,247 --> 00:51:20,125
Next he meets refugees from Tibet.
521
00:51:20,287 --> 00:51:25,998
To avoid reprisals if they go back,
we film them from behind.
522
00:51:26,167 --> 00:51:31,480
Trying to put them at their ease,
he asks about the journey.
523
00:51:31,647 --> 00:51:34,719
How did they bring their money
across the border?
524
00:51:34,887 --> 00:51:37,959
Did they swallow it and throw it up later?
525
00:51:38,967 --> 00:51:41,686
He asks how many plan to go back.
526
00:51:42,767 --> 00:51:48,239
If he goes back, he says, it would never be
to the old feudal way of doing things.
527
00:51:48,407 --> 00:51:52,480
Despite appearances,
his message is "modernise".
528
00:51:54,327 --> 00:51:57,046
Then, all of a sudden, it's our turn.
529
00:51:57,207 --> 00:52:03,203
Your Holiness. Thank you so much.
Thank you for coming to talk to us.
530
00:52:03,367 --> 00:52:07,246
It's very nice to be here. You're a busy man.
531
00:52:09,767 --> 00:52:14,636
Your face is very familiar to me because of BBC.
532
00:52:14,807 --> 00:52:18,595
Oh, really? Your face is very familiar to me.
533
00:52:20,447 --> 00:52:25,475
- Do you watch the BBC, then?
- Practically every day.
534
00:52:25,647 --> 00:52:29,526
- Do you? Oh.
- Because I have more trust.
535
00:52:29,687 --> 00:52:31,757
Really? Yes.
536
00:52:31,927 --> 00:52:36,523
And mainly some beautiful documentaries
are filmed,
537
00:52:36,687 --> 00:52:39,155
including your own films.
538
00:52:39,327 --> 00:52:41,841
You visit different places
539
00:52:42,007 --> 00:52:47,877
and sometimes I wish I could journey
with you and could see many places.
540
00:52:49,087 --> 00:52:52,682
- Meet different people.
- You know where we're going next.
541
00:52:52,847 --> 00:52:58,365
We'll be going to Tibet, Your Holiness.
But I don't think you'll want to come.
542
00:53:02,527 --> 00:53:04,995
I was going to ask you something.
543
00:53:05,167 --> 00:53:10,685
Yesterday, I went to your astrological
department and they made up a chart for me.
544
00:53:10,847 --> 00:53:15,238
And in my previous life I was an elephant
545
00:53:15,407 --> 00:53:21,084
and in my next life I'm going to be
the daughter of a rich family in the West.
546
00:53:21,247 --> 00:53:25,126
Which do you think is the best
of the two options?
547
00:53:28,287 --> 00:53:33,281
I wondered to myself, how does an elephant
get to be a television presenter?
548
00:53:34,927 --> 00:53:39,603
Because an elephant also
has a lot of curiosity to know.
549
00:53:39,767 --> 00:53:43,726
- Yes, that's true.
- With their nose, they go like that.
550
00:53:43,887 --> 00:53:50,235
The trouble is an elephant never forgets
and I forget far too much.
551
00:53:50,407 --> 00:53:55,162
We're going to Tibet, as I say,
in a month, which is very exciting.
552
00:53:56,167 --> 00:54:01,400
What sort of situation
do you think we'll encounter there?
553
00:54:01,567 --> 00:54:06,641
What is Tibet like now? I hear
there's a revival of interest in Buddhism.
554
00:54:06,807 --> 00:54:10,800
Will we see this and will it be the real thing?
555
00:54:13,007 --> 00:54:17,683
Since you are going there,
so you yourself must find out
556
00:54:17,847 --> 00:54:20,315
what's the true situation.
557
00:54:23,487 --> 00:54:28,880
Although I am here outside Tibet,
not inside Tibet...
558
00:54:30,007 --> 00:54:36,355
but as a Tibetan,
I want to extend my welcome to you
559
00:54:36,527 --> 00:54:38,995
to visit my own country.
560
00:54:43,127 --> 00:54:47,325
You're the best travelled
of any Dalai Lama in history.
561
00:54:47,487 --> 00:54:51,446
You have a very hectic schedule.
562
00:54:51,607 --> 00:54:54,963
Why do you think it's important to travel?
563
00:54:55,127 --> 00:54:59,359
From my childhood, I always have curiosity.
564
00:54:59,527 --> 00:55:04,521
A desire to know more
about different people, different cultures.
565
00:55:04,687 --> 00:55:08,441
And, as a Buddhist monk, I also have an interest
566
00:55:08,607 --> 00:55:12,680
to learn more about different religious traditions.
567
00:55:12,847 --> 00:55:16,044
You lead this very hectic, frenetic life.
568
00:55:16,207 --> 00:55:20,485
How do you keep in good condition?
Do you have a health regime?
569
00:55:23,007 --> 00:55:28,240
I think, firstly, my parents
gave me this quite good body.
570
00:55:30,167 --> 00:55:35,480
It seems! Except for two days
I've had a problem with my eye - eyelid.
571
00:55:35,647 --> 00:55:40,357
Slightly shaking eyelid.
I've never seen you with your glasses off.
572
00:55:40,527 --> 00:55:42,404
Really?
573
00:55:44,767 --> 00:55:48,077
Do I seem very small or am I a bit blurred?
574
00:55:50,527 --> 00:55:54,759
Then my daily life, my daily routine...
575
00:55:57,647 --> 00:56:02,402
are usually quite - how do you say? - stable.
576
00:56:03,407 --> 00:56:05,443
- (TIBETAN)
- Disciplined.
577
00:56:05,607 --> 00:56:12,683
Disciplined. Breakfast, lunch, no dinner
as a Buddhist monk, but evening tea.
578
00:56:13,687 --> 00:56:16,679
And I sleep usually...
579
00:56:16,847 --> 00:56:23,844
It's quite fixed except when I travel
to different places, especially America.
580
00:56:24,007 --> 00:56:27,795
Then, I think, more than...
581
00:56:27,967 --> 00:56:32,563
- Sometimes the time differences.
- The jet lag.
582
00:56:32,727 --> 00:56:37,721
So now, for example, one week ago
I returned from the United States.
583
00:56:38,727 --> 00:56:44,643
My sleep is not much problem,
but my stomach is still American time.
584
00:56:44,807 --> 00:56:47,241
- Oh, dear.
- Still.
585
00:56:49,167 --> 00:56:53,877
Usually I... toilet, usually morning,
586
00:56:54,047 --> 00:56:58,359
but nowadays it's evening
because of American time!
587
00:56:58,527 --> 00:57:01,121
That's very tricky.
588
00:57:02,807 --> 00:57:07,358
- I know you're busy. Thank you very much.
- Thank you.
589
00:57:07,527 --> 00:57:11,964
There's lots more I want to talk to you about,
but you've got to talk to other people.
590
00:57:15,927 --> 00:57:19,203
The next day the Dalai Lama
is off on his travels again
591
00:57:19,367 --> 00:57:22,439
and the crowds are out to catch a glimpse of him.
592
00:57:25,127 --> 00:57:29,837
He may see himself as a simple monk,
but his people, for whom life is religion,
593
00:57:30,007 --> 00:57:33,238
see him as nothing less than the God-King.
594
00:57:33,407 --> 00:57:36,717
They may not want to share him with the world,
595
00:57:36,887 --> 00:57:41,199
but they pay him respect
as he sets off once more on his mission
596
00:57:41,367 --> 00:57:44,359
to keep a candle burning for Tibet.
597
00:57:50,047 --> 00:57:52,845
It's time for me to move on as well -
598
00:57:53,007 --> 00:57:58,286
to Ladak, the "land of passes", where
the mountains take over the landscape.
599
00:58:03,127 --> 00:58:07,325
A field of ancient stupas
stand like melting snowmen,
600
00:58:07,487 --> 00:58:10,877
a reminder of when the Silk Route
came through here,
601
00:58:11,047 --> 00:58:15,040
carrying other travellers
on their way to the East.
602
00:58:22,487 --> 00:58:26,241
Next time on "Himalaya",
I microlight up to the mountains.
603
00:58:26,407 --> 00:58:30,798
Watch Gurkhas being recruited.
Leave ridiculous tips for the waitresses.
604
00:58:30,967 --> 00:58:34,676
Test myself on the Annapurna Trail.
605
00:58:37,647 --> 00:58:41,720
See the temples
and funeral pyres of Kathmandu.
606
00:58:41,887 --> 00:58:44,640
Gamble with the licence-payers' money.
607
00:58:46,287 --> 00:58:50,405
Meet the highest nuns in the world.
608
00:58:50,567 --> 00:58:53,240
And take Sunday lunch at Everest.
609
00:58:53,407 --> 00:58:56,080
"Himalaya" - high adventure.
610
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,080
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611
00:59:04,305 --> 01:00:04,595
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