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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,920 POLICE OPERATOR: 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,680 MAN: 3 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:26,800 VOICE BREAKS: 4 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,800 TO CHILD: 5 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,800 Ruby Franke was made in a factory to be a mommy vlogger, 6 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,440 and she posted these videos that were incredibly popular. 7 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,240 OK, you guys, it is back-to-school season. 8 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,560 There is this candid nature to some of her videos 9 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,040 that led to her having such a large following. 10 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,480 To have over two million subscribers on YouTube, 11 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,120 that's astronomical success. 12 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,480 Viewers began to pick up on some of Ruby's parenting techniques. 13 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Nothing is off-limits. 14 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,240 OK, so we're here at Lindquist's Mortuary. 15 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,800 KNOCKING 16 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Police officers! Open up! 17 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,080 It just became darker and darker and darker. 18 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Many people believed that she was in a cult. 19 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,920 In my 26 years of law enforcement, 20 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,920 I haven't seen anything worse than this. 21 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,360 Police Department. To the left, to the left. 22 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. FEMALE OFFICER: Police Department! 23 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,360 Make yourself known. MALE OFFICER: Go right. 24 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,720 FEMALE DETECTIVE: 25 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,560 This is beyond anything we thought this woman would do to her children. 26 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,880 NARRATOR: It's mid-morning in an affluent suburb 27 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,160 in southern Utah. 28 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,680 SHARP KNOCK AT DOOR 29 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,160 A wounded and malnourished boy has been rushed to hospital. 30 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,360 Police officers. Open up! 31 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Law enforcement have been led to the home 32 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,760 of therapist Jodi Hildebrandt, where the boy's mother was staying. 33 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,120 On that afternoon, Sergeant McCoy received a phone call 34 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,800 from the Ivins Police Department 35 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,320 and had learned some very disturbing details about Ruby Franke... 36 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Hey. You OK? 37 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,200 It's just you in here? 38 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,880 ..that there was a child, very emaciated, 39 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:21,720 and it appeared that she'd been confined in the home. 40 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,320 I'm Sergeant Tobler. Are you OK? 41 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,040 Also, there's some type of panic room. 42 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,720 The children had been confined, abused, malnourished, neglected. 43 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,920 It caused us great concern. 44 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,280 There were two other siblings unaccounted for. 45 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,840 OFFICER: OK. Just place your hands behind your back for me. 46 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,840 We dedicate all of our personnel that day 47 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,400 to trying to locate the children. 48 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,280 In police work, sometimes you always hope for the best, 49 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,760 but expect the worst. 50 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,320 They could potentially have been dead. 51 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,000 But how did such a horrifying series of events come to pass 52 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,000 to a seemingly idyllic all-American family? 53 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,040 Springville City is an awesome city in Utah. 54 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,720 It is a population of about 36,000 people. 55 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,560 We're right at the foot of the mountains. 56 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,760 We have a nearby canyon, a creek running through town. 57 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,600 It's just a great place to live and to work and to raise a family. 58 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,360 It's a very close-knit community. 59 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,360 There's a lot of people who have been here 60 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,360 for many generations. 61 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,160 In our neighbourhoods here, most everyone is the same religion 62 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,200 and we all go to church together. 63 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 The predominant religion in Utah's 64 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,080 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 65 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,320 which is known by most people as the Mormon religion. 66 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,480 And there are a lot of people 67 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,040 who use their kind of... 68 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,640 tie in their faith with parenting advice. 69 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,640 One such parent, living happily in Springville, 70 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,920 was 33-year-old Ruby Franke. 71 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,000 She came from a Mormon background. 72 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,280 She had three sisters and one brother. 73 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Ruby was married to Kevin, 74 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,240 and the pair met back when Ruby was 18 and Kevin was 21. 75 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,360 Pretty quickly after the pair met, they got married. 76 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Ruby said all she ever wanted to do was be a stay-at-home mum 77 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:40,080 and have lots of babies. 78 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,360 And actually, she and Kevin went on to have six children together. 79 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,800 CHILDREN CHEERILY: Goodbye! 80 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,280 With six children under the age of 12... 81 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,600 RUBY: I love you. ..and a strict religious background, 82 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,680 Ruby was a busy and hands-on mum. 83 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,840 RUBY: Be good. Be kind to people. 84 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,560 Ruby began documenting her hectic family life 85 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,560 and posting videos online. 86 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,880 KEVIN: What are we doing? 87 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,080 What is this? CHILD 1: It's a videotape. 88 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,560 CHILD 2: It's a cake, and inside is the colour of the baby. 89 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,520 OVERLAPPING CHATTER 90 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,040 The first video that they actually posted to the channel 91 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,000 and the way they introduce themselves 92 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,160 was through the gender reveal of their youngest child. 93 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,320 And this is such an intimate moment. 94 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,800 RUBY: So we're gonna find out if it's pink or if it's blue. 95 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,560 CHILDREN SQUEAL 96 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,560 But Ruby and her family decided 97 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,880 that this was how they were going to launch themselves 98 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,840 into the social media atmosphere. 99 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,920 Ruby was following a popular, new online trend - family vlogging. 100 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,800 Oh, we thought for sure it was a boy. 101 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:47,760 KEVIN: Staring at it won't make it turn blue, pal. 102 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,800 Family channels, you know, started to pop up around, 103 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:52,880 I would say, the mid-2010s. 104 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,880 There were lots of people that were coming out 105 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,640 sharing their family's lives day to day 106 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,000 with strangers on the internet 107 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,400 and amassing these huge gatherings of followers because of them. 108 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,680 OK, so the kids are on the bus, the kids are in school, 109 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,400 and I am ready to just... SIGHS DRAMATICALLY 110 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,160 ..sit down... EXHALES 111 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,640 ..take a breather. 112 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,400 Ruby continued posting videos of her family 113 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,840 across several social media platforms 114 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,920 under the name 8Passengers. 115 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,560 The image portrayed was idyllic - 116 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,960 a large, happy family living in Western American suburbia. 117 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,720 Hi, guys, I'm Kevin. I'm Ruby. 118 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,320 We're the drivers of the eight passengers. We're Mom and Dad. 119 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,880 We thought it'd be fun to just say hi and introduce our family. 120 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,600 And if you're not good, I will turn this car around and we will go home. 121 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,000 Seriously. Behave. 122 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,720 She was this beautiful woman. 123 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,920 She had a beautiful home. 124 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,120 She has six, you know, gorgeous children and a husband. 125 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,040 THEY SING: Happy birthday to you. 126 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Ruby would have the camera rolling for every family milestone. 127 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,000 'They're smiling, they're happy, they're healthy, they're fit.' 128 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,800 The image that they put out to the world was one of almost perfection. 129 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,280 Oh, my word. Seriously? 130 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,160 TOT GIGGLES 131 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:24,320 We have hit 5,000 subscribers, and I am beyond excited. 132 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Daddy, look! I did a ponytail by myself. 133 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,240 It's a real sort of, I guess, a fly-on-the-wall documentary 134 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,920 around what it's like within their family. 135 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,400 And nothing, nothing is off limits. 136 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,720 OK, so we're here at Lindquist Mortuary 137 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,400 for Kevin's grandma. 138 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,800 Yep. 139 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,840 She really opened up 140 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,040 and showed every aspect of their lives together. 141 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,840 And the kids were in almost every video. 142 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,920 CHILD CRYING: I want my bow... I want my bow tie. 143 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,120 RUBY: Go get... 144 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,400 I know, you want your bow tie and I can't find it anywhere. 145 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,880 In less than a year, Ruby had uploaded 146 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,280 over 120 videos of her family to the internet. 147 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,000 There was something very approachable about them, 148 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,320 something that a lot of people could relate to. 149 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,520 At its peak, the 8Passengers YouTube channel 150 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:20,000 had around 2.5 million subscribers, 151 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,520 and with that, came all the advertising and sponsorship deals, 152 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,000 which would then bring in income for the family. 153 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Ruby and her family have been catapulted 154 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,720 into a new-found level of fame, 155 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,400 with her parenting style on full display. 156 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,960 You cannot just get into the cupboard 157 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,400 and take yoghurt... 158 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,280 and crackers. CHILD MUMBLES 159 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,040 You can't come in the kitchen 160 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,800 and take whatever you want, whenever you want. 161 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Ruby was a real disciplinarian, 162 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,920 and she was not afraid to show that on her channel. 163 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,680 And when the camera's always rolling, 164 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,080 people are going to have remarks on the things that you share. 165 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,520 There's no sort of consideration of the children's ages, 166 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:09,680 or even any aspect about consent and gaining their permission. 167 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,200 It's almost as if she's cultivating 168 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,200 the star-of-the-show persona and everybody else, 169 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,600 her children and her husband included, are simply extras. 170 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,840 They're props. 171 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Despite some comments online over her strict parenting, 172 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:29,000 Ruby Franke's popularity continued to skyrocket 173 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,520 for the next three years, 174 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:35,080 eventually accumulating over three million followers 175 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,880 and over a billion views. 176 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,280 As time went on, some of her viewers began to pick up on 177 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,520 some of Ruby's parenting techniques. 178 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,160 One of those videos in particular 179 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,080 revolved around one of her younger sons. 180 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,040 He lost one of his socks and so she made him go outside and look for it. 181 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,600 RUBY: Put 'em in your pocket so you can take 'em down to the hamper 182 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,320 and drop and give me ten. 183 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,480 CHILD: One... RUBY: Put your hand straight out. 184 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,480 They're in. They're not supposed to be out. 185 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Shape your hands forward. There you go. 186 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,600 In another video, Ruby reprimanded her younger daughter 187 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,200 for going round and cutting up things in the house. 188 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,840 RUBY: If you cut... one more thing in my house... 189 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,280 NERVOUS LAUGHTER ..I'm going to take the scissors... 190 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Look at me. ..and I'm gonna cut its head off. 191 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,640 OLDER CHILD: Grandma will be so mad. 192 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,600 LITTLE GIRL CRIES 193 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,480 So what are you gonna do? 194 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Threatening to destroy something so sentimental to one of your children 195 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:33,440 really quite often goes against the nature of many mothers. 196 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,440 But there's also an element of it being disturbing in that 197 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Ruby's decided that throughout this moment, 198 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,640 she sees it as an opportunity to film. 199 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,640 She sees it as an opportunity to make content. 200 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,080 Are you gonna cut anything else? TODDLER: No. 201 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,640 You promise? 202 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:51,400 Many of Ruby's followers were starting to grow concerned. 203 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Her videos caught the attention of online influencer Kendra Bryan. 204 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,320 Ruby Franke's story really gripped me, 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,160 because I saw a woman exploiting her children for money, 206 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,160 and did the children benefit from any of it? No. 207 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Not... Children didn't benefit anything from that, 208 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,600 and that's pretty terrifying. 209 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,960 I've noticed that you've been hiding from me, 210 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,960 and you are feeling a lot of embarrassment and shame. 211 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,360 You're treating them like they're a piece of property. 212 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,200 LITTLE BOY: 213 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,040 OK. So I hear you. 214 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,480 That sounds like a lot to be taken away. 215 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,160 That sounds like it's gonna be a miserable summer. 216 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,240 But the sinister reality was far worse than anyone imagined. 217 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,240 I just knew in my gut, "Oh, this is gonna be bad." 218 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,640 You weren't responsible. 219 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,800 You were lying and being manipulative with them. 220 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,600 And unfortunately, it was. 221 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,960 NARRATOR: Four years on from posting her very first video, 222 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,680 Ruby Franke's online stardom has made the family over $2 million, 223 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,000 thanks to the views and sponsorships through their YouTube channel. 224 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,280 So how does an admired influencer go from picture-perfect family life 225 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,400 to serving a possible 30-year prison sentence 226 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,320 for horrific child abuse? 227 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,600 As other YouTubers and influencers 228 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,080 began to take notice, and their viewers 229 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,520 began to pour into Ruby's channel, 230 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:41,000 that's when we started to see the relationship between Ruby 231 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,520 and her audience sour. 232 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:46,600 We started to see that friction between the commenters, the viewers, 233 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,160 and Ruby and her parenting style. 234 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,920 After experiencing behavioural issues with their teenage son, 235 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,680 Ruby and Kevin sought professional help 236 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,520 from local therapist, Jodi Hildebrandt. 237 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Jodi Hildebrandt 238 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,000 was a licensed counsellor in the state of Utah, 239 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,520 and she was actually the founder of this programme called Connexions. 240 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:13,000 Welcome to Connexions. 241 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,800 I'm Jodi Hildebrandt. So glad you're with us. 242 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,400 Connexions was a therapy organisation that Jodi had set up, 243 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,840 and according to her website, 244 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,920 she was there to offer counselling to couples, families, individuals. 245 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,680 If you're like me, you've had pain in your life. 246 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,280 It could be from a divorce, work conflicts, 247 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,040 relationship issues with children, grandchildren, spouse. 248 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,560 Connexions is the solution. 249 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,800 Jodi Hildebrandt's company, Connexions, 250 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,520 was a multifaceted life coaching business, and it was successful. 251 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Jodi was estimated to be worth over $4 million. 252 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 She worked with hundreds of clients across Utah, 253 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,200 charging up to $200 an hour. 254 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,400 So I was introduced to Jodi Hildebrandt by a family friend. 255 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,920 I met with her, did some one-on-one sessions with her. 256 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,880 And honestly, I have to tell you, like, 257 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,040 I was quite impressed with what she had to say. 258 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,120 She kinda just learned about my background, my upbringing, 259 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,640 and, um, I actually enjoyed it. 260 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,240 Ruby's son began taking part in therapy sessions with Jodi. 261 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,160 I had a phone call yesterday with my therapist, 262 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,680 and she taught me about truth and distortion. 263 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,040 Mom probably talks about Jodi all the time, but... 264 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,440 I've mentioned Jodi a few times. 265 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,760 She has a podcast called Connexions - with an X. 266 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,000 But there was more to Jodi than met the eye. 267 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,160 She'd at one time had her licence suspended as a therapist 268 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,720 for revealing information to members of the church 269 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,160 without her patients' consent. 270 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Ruby was undeterred, 271 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 and soon Jodi became Kevin and Ruby's marriage counsellor. 272 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Then, controversially, Jodi moved into the family home. 273 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,960 Jodi and Ruby were growing closer and closer. 274 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,080 They were spending more and more time together 275 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,600 and their lives were becoming more intertwined. 276 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,920 And it was at this time that things really began to go from weird 277 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,040 to downright bizarre. 278 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,400 Once Jodi entered the picture, 279 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,880 things really escalated on Ruby's channel. 280 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,360 Still posting several videos a week, 281 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,160 Ruby's behaviour became even more unsettling. 282 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,040 She shared in a video 283 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,440 that she had received a call from her daughter's teacher 284 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,120 informing her that her six-year-old had no lunch with her that day. 285 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,960 I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being hungry 286 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,160 and not having a lunch, and it would ease her discomfort 287 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,400 if I came to the school with lunch. 288 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,120 Um, but I responded and just said... 289 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,200 ..was responsible for making her lunches in the morning. 290 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,280 So the natural outcome is she's just going to need to be hungry. 291 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,880 And hopefully, hopefully, nobody gives her food 292 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,440 and nobody steps in and gives her a lunch. 293 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Ruby was punishing a six-year-old child 294 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,320 for not making their own lunch 295 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:11,800 and letting her starve in order to teach her a lesson. 296 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:12,880 Unless you find a friend 297 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,680 who's willing to share some of their food with you, I don't... 298 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,680 I don't think you're gonna be able to eat. 299 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,440 But if you're not responsible for your lunch and your lunch money, 300 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,720 that's the natural consequence. 301 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,520 And I'm really sorry you're learning this the hard way. 302 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,360 This made people's stomach turn. 303 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,040 In another clip posted by Ruby, 304 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,200 it was revealed that her teenage son had been banned from his bedroom 305 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,040 after playing a prank on his brother. 306 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,280 He was made to sleep on a beanbag. 307 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,200 My bedroom was taken away for seven months 308 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,520 and then you give it back, like, a couple of weeks ago. 309 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,920 I don't think our viewers know that. JODI: Sleeping on a beanbag. 310 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,360 I've been sleeping on a beanbag since October. 311 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,840 This video sparked outrage. 312 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,640 It just blew up online. 313 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,920 A week after that beanbag video went up, 314 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,720 a Change.org petition was started by people who had seen the video 315 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,560 and seen Ruby's behaviour, 316 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,720 that gathered almost 20,000 signatures. 317 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,840 A friend of Ruby and Kevin's 318 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,160 witnessed their behaviour first-hand. 319 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,640 She's appearing anonymously in order to protect her identity. 320 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,360 'She was a strict mother.' 321 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,160 She did have some ways of handling the children 322 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,720 that people did disagree with. 323 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:38,160 The two youngest are showing long patterns of selfishness. 324 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,120 They have been showing, um, through their choices, 325 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,160 their unwillingness to repent. 326 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:51,080 She was getting a lot of very hateful, negative comments, 327 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:54,200 and I do remember her mentioning that 328 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,400 sponsors were beginning to pull out, 329 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,240 and it did take a dark turn. 330 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,160 The online criticism against Ruby had escalated to the point 331 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,200 that it caught the attention of local police. 332 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,160 I am Lance Haight, the chief of police in Springville, Utah. 333 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,800 Concerns had been raised in social media about Ruby Franke 334 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,600 and her parenting style. 335 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,200 And we were aware of some of those concerns, 336 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,440 but we looked into them 337 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,880 and there was no evidence of criminal conduct at that time. 338 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,040 Ruby Franke is withholding privileges from a child, 339 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,840 but otherwise, all of their physical needs are being met 340 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,240 and they're not being physically abused, 341 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,680 then that would not constitute child abuse. 342 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,880 And so we're unable to take enforcement action. 343 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,440 After years of crafting the image of a perfect family, 344 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,040 Ruby and Kevin hit back at those openly criticising them. 345 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,960 The things that we show and share, 346 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,240 and the things that many of you are criticising and calling abusive, 347 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,200 are actually things that mental health professionals 348 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,520 have counselled us to do. 349 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,280 Both Ruby and Kevin really kind of take an adversarial stance 350 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,360 to some of the criticism that they were getting. 351 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Clearly, they were, you know, impacted by this controversy 352 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,120 and the criticism, 353 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,880 and it starts to seep its way into their content that they're making. 354 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,920 In an attempt to silence the critics, 355 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,080 Ruby and Kevin disabled comments on their social media channels 356 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,440 and hired a lawyer to send cease and desist letters to vloggers 357 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,880 who were making content about them. 358 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,200 Ruby Franke appeared to be able to continue to act with impunity 359 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 on the internet, and the great irony of it all 360 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,000 is she was still giving parenting advice 361 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,480 to other parents on the internet. 362 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,680 Although still in the spotlight, 363 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080 Ruby's star power was beginning to wane 364 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,840 under the weight of immense public scrutiny. 365 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,440 And internet sleuths, hooked on the story, 366 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,960 had noticed another concerning detail. 367 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,560 NARRATOR: In January 2022, Ruby Franke posted an intimate video 368 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,680 of her youngest daughter's baptism on the 8Passengers YouTube page. 369 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,480 Good morning, Passengers. 370 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,200 How are you guys today? 371 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,240 Today's vlog is a big one. 372 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,800 ALL: # We have been taught 373 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:36,480 # And we understand That we must do as the Lord... # 374 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,200 Then, the channel goes silent. 375 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,760 After that last video was uploaded in January 2022, 376 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,520 things went quiet, there was nothing new. 377 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,960 The channel went dark, Ruby went dark. 378 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,760 There was no content posted of the kids online. 379 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,880 There is this thought that maybe 380 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,120 she had taken the criticism to heart... 381 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,520 ..and had stopped posting videos. 382 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,120 People began to wonder if the petitions had finally worked. 383 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,720 They began to wonder if their complaints had gotten through 384 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:09,960 to law enforcement. 385 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,280 And there was the sense online, was this the end of Ruby Franke? 386 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,600 But four months later, Ruby was back. 387 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,600 And this time, on a new platform, and with a new partner. 388 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,640 Turns out that she had actually gone into business 389 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,360 with Jodi Hildebrandt in Connexions. 390 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,640 Hello, and welcome to Connexions. 391 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,960 I'm Jodi Hildebrandt. And I'm Ruby Franke. 392 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,240 Ruby Franke had joined Connexions Classroom, 393 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,600 the life coaching business of Jodi Hildebrandt. 394 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,640 They did YouTube videos. They had a podcast. 395 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,120 They would go to talks. 396 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,160 She was no longer the girl-next-door mummy blogger 397 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,120 in her sun dresses and cardigans, but she appeared more business-like. 398 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,160 And actually, at this point, she had rebranded herself 399 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,880 as a mental fitness instructor 400 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,000 and seemed to really be going for this whole life coach look. 401 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,280 This is my passion, is to invite you to stand in truth 402 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,000 and put your opinions to the side for a minute, 403 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:18,040 because your kids are the target of distortion. 404 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:24,560 And they were giving advice to moms, specifically Latter-day Saint moms, 405 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,960 who were struggling with their relationships 406 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,080 and struggling with how to discipline their kid 407 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:33,200 and approach their husband. 408 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,360 We need you. We love you. 409 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,720 We know what power exists inside you. 410 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,200 And we want you to be here. 411 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,880 So, please, humble yourself. 412 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Become curious about what we're saying. 413 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,400 Now, not only was Jodi living with the Franke family, 414 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,480 but she was creating content with Ruby. 415 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,040 After originally being hired as a therapist for Ruby's son, 416 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,640 the two women were growing ever closer. 417 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,480 Jodi Hildebrandt, I think gave, um, 418 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480 this level of legitimacy to Ruby Franke. 419 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,120 And she had the credentials. She had a master's degree. 420 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,600 Ruby was bad on her own, 421 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,360 but Jodi came with this toolbox of experience as a therapist. 422 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,480 As a therapist, but also just kind of an expert at mind games. 423 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,880 People who had seen her on 8Passengers 424 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,400 moved over to Connexions and became wildly concerned 425 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,640 about the sort of advice she was offering to parents. 426 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,480 JODI: Do children have a right to privacy? No. 427 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Everything in their life is open to you. Everything. 428 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Um, journals. Um, they're, you know, 429 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,200 if... if you've graciously given them a room, that room is yours. 430 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,800 It's not theirs. Your drawers. 431 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Everything is up to investigation 432 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,760 whenever you wanna go and investigate. 433 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,960 They were deeply concerned about the way she discussed evil in children. 434 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,120 Ruby Franke had not just changed channels, 435 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,040 she had amplified and accentuated 436 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,480 the extremeness of her parenting techniques. 437 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,440 If your kid came to you on fire, would you say, 438 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,720 "But if I put out the fire, that's gonna really hurt 439 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,720 "and you're gonna end up with scabs anyway, 440 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,120 "so I'm just gonna love you where you are right now"? 441 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,240 No! You throw them on the ground and you start rolling them. 442 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,000 And they're gonna say, "You're hurting me. 443 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760 "You're beating me, you're controlling." 444 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,440 It's like, "No, dear, hold still. I'm getting the fire out." 445 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,320 Many lay the blame for Ruby's darker attitude 446 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,280 squarely at the feet of Jodi. 447 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,440 I think Jodi, for a long period of time, 448 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,560 has been very clever and very crafty 449 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,720 and twisted things in a very dark way. 450 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,000 I think Ruby slowly started to subscribe to that 451 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,880 after exposure to Jodi. 452 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,360 As criticism of the Connexions platform was mounting, 453 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,760 more unsettling revelations about Jodi Hildebrandt came to light. 454 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,080 As people began to dig into Jodi Hildebrandt's past, 455 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,280 what they found was deeply concerning. 456 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,040 The more Jodi Hildebrandt and Ruby Franke 457 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,880 were in the public eye, 458 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,480 the more criticism started to kind of surface, 459 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,640 especially with former clients of hers. 460 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,000 So, I personally saw Jodi for about... 461 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,880 ..roughly for a year, maybe a little bit more. 462 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,160 There was one specific group meeting 463 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,440 that she said something that was just absolutely out of line. 464 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,560 She outed a very close friend of mine 465 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,440 that hadn't come out as gay, 466 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,480 and she outed him in front of a group setting. 467 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,640 It just about destroyed him. 468 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,080 And I stood up, it was in a men's group, 469 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,840 and I said, "This is off. 470 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000 "There is something inside of you that is evil. It's heartbreaking." 471 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000 JODI: 'Men and men can marry and women and women. 472 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,520 'When that law was passed,' 473 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:12,360 it opened the floodgate for every other devious, vile, 474 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,440 um... 475 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,000 ..sexually permissive and destructive behaviours 476 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,920 to be engaged upon. 477 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,600 TREY: And you were seeing this woman kind of becoming a cult leader, 478 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,920 using religious tactics and shaming tactics. 479 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320 She makes you feel like you're evil 480 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,320 and that you really, really need a ton of help. 481 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,080 So glad you're with us. 482 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:37,920 There's something here for you. 483 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,400 Despite concerns over her beliefs and attitudes, 484 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,000 Jodi's life coaching business was successful and lucrative. 485 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600 There's a lot of individuals 486 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,760 that were spending a ton of money on this woman. 487 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,160 Jodi Hildebrandt's house in Ivins was like around 10,000 square feet. 488 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,560 That's a big house. Clearly, she was successful. 489 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Clearly, she had a following. 490 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,360 Clearly, they were making a lot of money. 491 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,480 It was very difficult to see that this woman 492 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,920 was living in this type of home, 493 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,440 knowing very well the destruction she has caused. 494 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,520 People began to really sort of see the cracks in Jodi's armour 495 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,000 and her questionable practices as a therapist. 496 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,280 I started to see Jodi Hildebrandt kind of like, have this, um... 497 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,840 a God complex. 498 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240 She was like a possessed woman. 499 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,600 And other people began to talk online about how she had 500 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,400 deeply and irrevocably affected their marriages. 501 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,160 They talked about how she had separated men from their wives. 502 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,000 With Jodi having already moved into the Franke family home, 503 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,160 Ruby and husband Kevin separated. 504 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,040 Jodi moved in with Ruby and her family, 505 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,520 and by summer 2022, Kevin, Ruby's husband, had moved out. 506 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,480 Jodi's coming in, using and leveraging 507 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,040 all of those religious beliefs about sexual impurity 508 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,120 and saying, "Well, Kevin's this, Kevin's that." 509 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,720 And then Kevin gets kicked out of the house. 510 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,040 He was asked to leave, and just suddenly, he wasn't there. 511 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,520 Which was surprising because, prior to that, 512 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,960 he and Ruby seemed to get along quite nicely. 513 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,600 Again, it appeared that Jodi had continued her typical practice 514 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,120 of separating husbands and wives, and that included with Ruby Franke. 515 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,000 Jodi was quite the puppeteer, that's for sure. 516 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,360 Like, this woman is a master of manipulation. 517 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,840 It just seemed like Ruby's world got smaller and smaller. 518 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,480 As Ruby and Jodi grew closer, 519 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,400 others in the community kept Ruby at arm's length. 520 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,840 In the neighbourhood, 521 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,640 there were many people that pulled back from Ruby 522 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,320 and said they believed that she was in a cult, 523 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,480 and that had been expressed to me. 524 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Some people think she's in a cult, some people think she's too extreme, 525 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,680 but there was definitely talk in the neighbourhood, and concern, 526 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,040 and splitting opinions. 527 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,960 Then in early 2023, 528 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,320 Ruby made a decision to take her youngest children out of school. 529 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,280 I'm excited, because I'm... 530 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,640 I'm home-schooling all my kids now, 531 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,680 and it's fun. 532 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,280 We're keeping it super simple. 533 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,760 That's when everything made a drastic change, 534 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,640 because we no longer saw the younger children in the neighbourhood, 535 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,720 and we would see them in the neighbourhood many times a week, 536 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,320 walking their dog, riding their scooters. 537 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,880 And then, suddenly, we quit seeing all of them altogether. 538 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,720 Although Jodi had been living in the Franke family home, 539 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,400 she and Ruby now spent most of their time 540 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,480 at Jodi's $5 million home, four hours' south in Ivins. 541 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,600 She spent all of her time in Ivins, 542 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920 sometimes leaving her kids in Springville, 543 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,280 like, 250 miles away. 544 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,040 Ruby's 19-year-old daughter had cut ties with her parents 545 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,680 due to her mother's increasingly concerning behaviour. 546 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,400 She became so worried 547 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,040 that she even made a 911 call to the police. 548 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,960 RINGING TONE 549 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,480 In September of 2022, 550 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,160 our police department received a call 551 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,360 from the adult daughter of Ruby Franke. 552 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,000 At the time, I believe the youngest child 553 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,800 would've been about eight years old. 554 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,520 The next oldest child would've been about 12 years old, 555 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200 and she was concerned about the children's welfare 556 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640 and asked if an officer could go by and check the house. 557 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,160 He knocked on the door, could see children in the home, 558 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,760 but they didn't answer the door. 559 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,960 Our officers, over the course of just a couple of weeks, 560 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,320 made five attempts to go back to the home and try to make contact. 561 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,760 Even the allegation itself 562 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760 that the children have been left home alone 563 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,360 is not criminal conduct, 564 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520 so there wasn't enough evidence for the court 565 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,640 to grant that search warrant to speak to her. 566 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,400 A year after Ruby's daughter called the police, 567 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,040 another 911 call was made. 568 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,960 This one would set in motion a chilling chain of events. 569 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,600 RINGING TONE 570 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880 WOMAN: 571 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,720 MAN: 572 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,680 Ruby Franke's 12-year-old son 573 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,920 had turned up at a house in Ivins, Utah. 574 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,840 As a journalist, you hear a lot of really horrific stories. 575 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,880 It just comes with the territory. 576 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,000 But this 911 call absolutely chilled me to the bone. 577 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,760 If a child shows up at your door, asks you to call police, 578 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,520 and you can't talk to the operator without crying, 579 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,120 I think that underscores how serious the abuse was. 580 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,560 OPERATOR: 581 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,960 NEIGHBOUR: 582 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,040 He's blaming himself, and then he asks the neighbour 583 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,280 to take him to jail, to take him to the cops. 584 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,880 He didn't just run away from home to get help, 585 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,800 he ran away from home thinking that he was going to be put in jail. 586 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,640 NEIGHBOUR: 587 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,640 OPERATOR: 588 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,560 NEIGHBOUR: 589 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,960 Within moments, the police descended on Jodi's house. 590 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,080 NEIGHBOUR: 'I never imagined 591 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880 'anything close to that was going on.' 592 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,920 SIRENS 593 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,720 NARRATOR: On August 30, 2023, 594 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,640 Ruby Franke's son escaped from Jodi Hildebrandt's house. 595 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,600 RINGING TONE 596 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,160 MAN: 597 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,800 Within minutes, police and paramedics arrived at the house. 598 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,840 This is a lot. 599 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,880 Oh, boy. MAN: I know. 600 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,960 We learn just how terrible these wounds actually were. 601 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,600 This was deep, deep wounds, 602 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,520 and then they were wrapped in like a saran wrap 603 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,920 with cayenne pepper and honey mixture. 604 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,960 And then that was covered, you know, additionally, with more tape. 605 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,080 This was torture. 606 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,760 MAN: 607 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,720 The 12-year-old boy told officers that the people who tied him up 608 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,280 were Jodi Hildebrandt and his own mother, Ruby Franke. 609 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,240 And he thought that two of his sisters, 610 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,840 aged 9 and 14, were in danger back at the house. 611 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,760 The question for law enforcement then became 612 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,720 where are her other children, 613 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,800 and what condition are they in? 614 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,760 We need to identify that house, and if there's two other kids there, 615 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,720 we need to go through a security sweep of that house. 616 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,360 The home of Jodi Hildebrandt was quickly surrounded by police. 617 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,040 Front door, left. To the left. 618 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,680 Once the police arrived... 619 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,600 ..all hell broke loose. 620 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440 She was very combative, aggressive almost to a point, 621 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,080 suggesting that they had no right to be there at the home. 622 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,600 Officers began an urgent raid of the 10,000-square-foot property. 623 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000 OFFICER: 624 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,520 JODI: 625 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,560 OFFICER: 626 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,920 Reality is, they don't even need a search warrant, 627 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,160 because the situation is so severe. 628 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,840 'They're concerned for immediate safety of the children right now.' 629 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,040 This was less of a home and more of a compound, 630 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,000 with rooms upon rooms upon rooms. 631 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,960 It spans acres, 632 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,600 to the point that law enforcement 633 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,080 had to really search throughout this home, 634 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,880 worrying about the condition of her other children. 635 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,960 Desperate attempts to find the young girls continued. 636 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,160 And not long after, 250 miles away, in Springville, 637 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,160 police stormed the home of Ruby Franke. 638 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,800 MALE OFFICER: 639 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,560 Just the verbal report that we received 640 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,040 from the Ivins Police Department caused great concern 641 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,440 for our officers and our department. 642 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,520 'I was home when the police came to their Springville house.' 643 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,240 We all sat outside and watched over a dozen police cars show up, 644 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,000 and we had no idea what was going on. 645 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,440 We were very concerned about the condition 646 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,800 of the children, whose whereabouts were unknown. 647 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,600 FEMALE OFFICER: 648 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,920 With the clock ticking, 649 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,320 officers went to desperate measures to find Ruby's other young children. 650 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,200 MALE OFFICER: 651 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600 FEMALE OFFICER: 652 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000 We certainly didn't rule out that the children 653 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,640 could've been being held captive... 654 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,800 ..abused, malnourished... 655 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,400 ..and potentially have been dead. 656 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,760 But the house was empty. 657 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,320 Police in Springville searched for answers, 658 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,080 but officers at Jodi's house in Ivins 659 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,960 had made a disturbing discovery. 660 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:16,200 Eventually, police find a girl in her... in her room in the dark, 661 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,640 who also appears emaciated. 662 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,840 There's this little girl 663 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,120 with a shaved head, sitting in the middle of the room. 664 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,360 Quiet, stoic, won't say anything, 665 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,760 won't look at them. 666 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,760 Refuses to leave for hours. 667 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600 She appeared frightened, 668 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,760 terrified to answer police questions. 669 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,560 And eventually, police had to bring her food 670 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,360 in order to get her to trust them. 671 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,760 She was so scared of the police that they had to spend a long time 672 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,160 actually trying to coax her to come out 673 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200 and convince her that they were taking her somewhere safe. 674 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,920 Fearing that there could be more children still in Jodi's home, 675 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,440 the police continued their search. 676 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,720 The story goes from scary to terrifying. 677 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,240 You see what looks like a panic room 678 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,200 that law enforcement is adamant they need to get into, 679 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,320 out of fear that a child could be in there. 680 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,800 In their search of other rooms in the home, 681 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,320 police found what looked like evidence of torture. 682 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,000 Rope, adult diapers, duct tape, 683 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,840 and wound dressings covered in cayenne pepper. 684 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,600 The two youngest children were taken to hospital, 685 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,480 and the severity of their injuries 686 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000 would keep them there for three days. 687 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:35,720 When we learned the details of what had happened to those children, 688 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:41,440 I never imagined anything close to that was going on. 689 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,040 It was sickening, 690 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,600 it was shocking, it was heartbreaking. 691 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,000 It made me cry. 692 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,440 I know those children. 693 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,160 We loved those children, and we still do. 694 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,960 VOICE BREAKS: It's gonna make me cry now. 695 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,400 It makes me sick to my stomach. 696 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,200 Things were really bad, and we understood 697 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:13,280 that children were being abused, but the extent of that abuse 698 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,840 was something far worse than we imagined. 699 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,880 Police knew that Ruby's two eldest children had already moved out, 700 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,640 but her two middle teenage daughters were still missing. 701 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,400 'We were very concerned about the welfare of the children.' 702 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,560 We dedicate all of our personnel that day 703 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,600 to trying to locate the children. 704 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,600 After two-and-a-half hours, 705 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,800 police received the warrant to unlock the safe. 706 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,600 They discovered rope, handcuffs and a bed, 707 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,360 confirming suspicions that a child had been locked inside. 708 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,440 Finally, four hours after the raid began, 709 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,920 Ruby Franke turned up at Jodi's home. 710 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,360 FEMALE OFFICER: 711 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,760 But neither of her two missing daughters, 712 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,520 aged 14 and 16, were with her. 713 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,240 When Ruby arrived at the house, she appeared completely unfazed. 714 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,520 'The house was swarming with police, and Ruby just sat down on the couch. 715 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,360 'She at no point asks, "Where are my children?" ' 716 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920 Ruby didn't say anything to the police. 717 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,760 She didn't try to offer up any defence. 718 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,760 She didn't ask any questions. 719 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,280 Instead, she goes quiet, 720 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,800 and at this point, the cops put her into handcuffs. 721 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,720 Ruby Franke was now in custody, but uncooperative. 722 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,040 In Springville, police officers received intel from locals 723 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,280 that Ruby's 16-year-old daughter 724 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920 was seen at a sports club earlier in the day. 725 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,160 So we spoke to their employees at the rec centre, 726 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,440 and they said that the Franke daughter 727 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,520 had left with an adult woman, who was not her mother, 728 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,480 but they didn't know who she was. 729 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,720 We retrieved a surveillance video from the rec centre 730 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,800 and could see an adult woman 731 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,600 taking the Franke daughter with her in a car. 732 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,400 We found out who the vehicle is registered to, 733 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,120 and it's a woman who lives 20 miles north of Springville. 734 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,960 So that's the next location that we went to search. 735 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,360 She seems almost unaware of why they may be there, 736 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,040 surprised that they would be there looking for Ruby Franke's children. 737 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,240 Both girls appeared physically unharmed, 738 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,160 but noticeably troubled. 739 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,960 Ruby's friend explained to the police 740 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,680 that she had been asked by Ruby to take care of the children 741 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,840 for the evening. 742 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,920 Police verified the friend's story 743 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,520 and eventually cleared them of any wrongdoing. 744 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,800 For Child Protective Services and law enforcement, 745 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,680 their mindset is, "Let's take the children, 746 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:54,240 "make sure they're safe, make sure they're healthy, 747 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,360 "and then we'll figure out the rest." 748 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,440 With all four minor children under child protection, 749 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,560 Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt were taken into custody 750 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,000 and charged with six counts of aggravated child abuse. 751 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,480 Three years after she was first reported to authorities, 752 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,160 Ruby was finally in custody. 753 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,960 'And I think that's when it all kind of hit us.' 754 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,840 Like, this is beyond anything 755 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,840 we thought this woman would do to her children. 756 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,360 If that youngest son had not run away, 757 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,760 100% believe that these children would not be alive right now. 758 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,320 But in my 26 years of law enforcement, 759 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,000 I can say that I haven't seen any worse circumstances 760 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,960 of children being mistreated, 761 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600 abused, held captive, and malnourished. 762 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,120 I haven't seen anything worse than this. 763 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,920 NARRATOR: Within hours of Ruby Franke 764 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,520 and Jodi Hildebrandt's arrest, 765 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,160 police were uncovering the full extent of their abuse. 766 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,120 We received details from the Ivins Police Department 767 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,240 about how the children had been abused, malnourished 768 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,840 and held captive in Ivins. 769 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,320 And those details are absolutely just heartbreaking. 770 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,360 Chris, you open the door. 771 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,560 After Ruby and Jodi were arrested, they were taken into custody 772 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,280 and questioned by the Ivins Police Department. 773 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,920 MAN: 774 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,200 WOMAN: 775 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,200 In my experience in law enforcement, their reaction to questions 776 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,360 from law enforcement is strange 777 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,480 and bizarre that they appeared to show no emotion 778 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,720 and seemed to be detached from what they had done. 779 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,520 MAN: 780 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,440 WOMAN: 781 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,600 MAN: 782 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,400 WOMAN: 783 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,600 WOMAN: 784 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,720 WOMAN: 785 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,680 MAN: 786 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,200 Ruby and Jodi were both charged 787 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,680 with multiple counts of aggravated child abuse. 788 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,440 MAN: 789 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,400 As Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt were taken to jail, 790 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,600 law enforcement continued an extensive search 791 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,760 of both their homes. 792 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,640 Officers quickly discovered a crucial piece of evidence - 793 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,960 Ruby's personal journal, 794 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,560 which laid out in graphic detail the extent of the abuse. 795 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,320 One of the major pieces of evidence was Ruby Franke's own diary. 796 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,720 Weaved into this diary is this kind of undertone 797 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,680 of this need to reform the children, because they were innately evil. 798 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,720 Ruby Franke's own words from her diary entries 799 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,760 have been voiced here using AI technology. 800 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,920 'And once the lies and sin is revealed, 801 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,080 'the body must engage in good work, 802 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,480 'and the good work needs to be painful.' 803 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,800 KYLE DUNPHEY: We learned in her diary 804 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,120 about forcing her kids to work outside, 805 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,640 do chores without shoes on. 806 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,960 I mean, it gets really hot in Utah. 807 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,480 It's a pretty sinister picture of what was happening. 808 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,680 BRIAN BUCKMIRE: Some of the hard labour 809 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,520 that they were forced to do as ways of humbling themselves under God... 810 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,920 ..and correcting past behaviour. 811 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,760 She is very descriptive in these journals 812 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,800 about covering the youngest son's face and nose 813 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,360 and holding him underwater. 814 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,000 'I now know the demon he harbours in his heart is so sick 815 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,920 'that, in order to keep my son, 816 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,600 'I will need to put him back under sedation, 817 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,440 'like stitching up a patient knowing you didn't get all the cancer out. 818 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,200 'And it's only a matter of time before your patient keels over.' 819 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,520 She's sedating her children in order to control them. 820 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,480 As disturbing details of the abuse 821 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,320 continue to be unravelled by police... 822 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,000 officers turned their attention 823 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,920 to the children's father, Kevin Franke, 824 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,040 who had previously separated from Ruby, 825 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,120 in order to establish whether he had any involvement. 826 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,880 Law enforcement begins questioning Kevin Franke, 827 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,160 asking him about the state of his children. 828 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,800 MAN: 829 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,040 WOMAN: 830 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,120 Many of us looked at this and thought, 831 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,840 "How could you not know the conditions of your children? 832 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,080 "Not have a phone call, a text message, 833 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,920 "an email, a letter, something, 834 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,440 "knowing how your children are doing 835 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,160 "under the care of your separated wife?" 836 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,160 MAN: 837 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,640 A really kind of striking part about this whole case 838 00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,840 is that I think a lot of the abuse 839 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,560 and allegations of abuse went on 840 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,440 without Kevin Franke knowing about it. 841 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,480 And he was clearly really surprised to learn of some of the details. 842 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,080 MAN: 843 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:29,280 That's when law enforcement 844 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,520 perhaps stopped looking at Kevin Franke 845 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,880 as a potential suspect 846 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,720 and started looking at him as a potential victim. 847 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,720 Kevin later claimed he had been deceived, 848 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,320 and that Jodi had destroyed his family. 849 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,080 He cooperated with police, 850 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,960 and there were no charges brought against him. 851 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000 Ruby Franke made several phone calls to her husband, Kevin, 852 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,720 where she appeared unrepentant, 853 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,480 painting herself as the victim. 854 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,760 She almost seemed to blame her children 855 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,080 for the situation more than herself, 856 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,640 and she had this mentality 857 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,680 that she would soon be out of jail, 858 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,320 that this... some grand mistake had been made. 859 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:02,600 At the end of 2023, Ruby Franke finally faced her day in court. 860 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,640 Ruby Franke's name was everywhere. 861 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:10,080 There was just this really palpable, uh, rage against her. 862 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,320 She was abusing her children. That's one of the cardinal sins. 863 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,520 Good morning, welcome to District Court. 864 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,000 We're here in the matter 865 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,760 of State of Utah versus Franke, case number 2-3-1-5-0-1-7-6-4. 866 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,320 NARRATOR: In December 2023, Ruby Franke appeared in court 867 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,960 facing several counts of aggravated child abuse. 868 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,960 Journalists flooded the courtroom in anticipation 869 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,840 of finally hearing what Ruby would say. 870 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,240 In court, television cameras 871 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,440 broadcast her every move to the nation. 872 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,880 The Ruby who arrived in court is a very different Ruby 873 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,160 than the one that we got to know 874 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,040 through 8Passengers and Connexions. 875 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,920 There's none of the confidence, that's all lost. 876 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,240 We've gone from this bubbly, confident blonde 877 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,560 to this meek, almost subservient, 878 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,320 almost silent, um, individual 879 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,760 that almost looks like 880 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,480 if she could make herself any smaller, she would be doing that. 881 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,520 There was an absolute frenzy around her case. 882 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,360 When she first went to court, 883 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,920 this case was like the crime of the century, 884 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,000 and everyone wanted to be witness to it. 885 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,080 News cameras captured the astonishing moment 886 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,920 that Ruby Franke stood up and finally addressed the court. 887 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,320 Ms Franke, how do you plead to count one, 888 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,360 aggravated child abuse, a second-degree felony? 889 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,840 Guilty. 890 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,920 To count three, aggravated child abuse, 891 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,520 a second-degree felony? 892 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:58,680 Guilty. 893 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,440 To count five, aggravated child abuse, 894 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,920 a second-degree felony? 895 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,960 Guilty. 896 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,040 And to count six, aggravated child abuse, 897 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,720 a second-degree felony? 898 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,960 With my deepest regret and sorrow for my family and my children, 899 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,240 guilty. 900 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,400 There are a lot of people that felt vindicated. 901 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,040 Finally, there's some sort of justice for this woman. 902 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,880 Ruby Franke took a plea deal first. 903 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,080 Days later, Jodi Hildebrandt also took a plea deal. 904 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,720 I'm relieved to see that Ruby Franke 905 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,480 and Jodi Hildebrandt pled guilty, 906 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,400 rather than having to put the children, or the family 907 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,240 or anyone else through a trial. 908 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,320 So in that regard, it feels as though now justice has been served. 909 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,720 Two months later, in February 2024, 910 01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,800 Ruby and Jodi were back in court 911 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,840 for sentencing hearings. 912 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,520 Again, cameras captured their staggering statements to the court, 913 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,240 and prosecutors laid out the extent of their crimes. 914 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,960 We're here for sentencing 915 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,080 in the matter of State of Utah versus Ruby Franke. 916 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,520 She committed horrible acts of child abuse. 917 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,040 From May to August in 2023, 918 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,720 Miss Franke and her business partner held her two children, 919 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,640 ages 9 and 11, turning 12, 920 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,840 in a concentration-camp-like setting. 921 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,440 In her address to the court, Ruby said that she had been led 922 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,000 to a dark delusion that she was living in a distorted reality, 923 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,960 and she blamed Jodi for isolating her from her friends and family. 924 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,600 For the past four years, 925 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,560 I've chosen to follow counsel and guidance 926 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,040 that has led me into a dark delusion. 927 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,480 Ruby talked about being duped and almost hoodwinked, 928 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,560 and kind of pulled apart from her family, isolated, 929 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,760 and made to feel that this was the only way 930 01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,160 to protect her children. 931 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,320 I was led to believe that this world was an evil place, 932 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,680 filled with cops who control, 933 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,800 hospitals that injure, 934 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,560 government agencies that brainwash, 935 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,440 church leaders who lie and lust, 936 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,520 husbands who refuse to protect, 937 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,360 and children who need... 938 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,120 ..abused. 939 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,200 There's no direct or definitive ownership 940 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,640 of the choices that she made, of the behaviour. 941 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,880 It comes from her being naive enough to be deceived 942 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,480 into this notion that the world is full of evil people, 943 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:40,000 and that she was brainwashed rather than acting from her own agency. 944 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,280 I still question whether or not she's taken full accountability 945 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,320 and responsibility for her actions. 946 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,560 This is torture of another human being, 947 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,640 but not just any human being. 948 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,760 This is torturing a child that you have birthed, 949 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,320 that you have carried, 950 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,640 that you have fed, that you have loved. 951 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,600 Court is back in session... 952 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,000 Cameras also captured 953 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,640 Jodi Hildebrandt's statement to the court 954 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,160 as she finally addressed what she had done. 955 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,480 I sincerely love these children. 956 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,880 I desire for them to heal physically and emotionally. 957 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,280 One of the reasons I did not go to trial, 958 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,280 so I did not want them to emotionally relive the experience, 959 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,560 which would have been detrimental to them. 960 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,600 Jodi said, like, she loves the kids 961 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,600 and she wants them to have, like, a great life or something. 962 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,360 I was like... 963 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,720 the audacity, 964 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,680 the absolute audacity of this woman. 965 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,840 You love these children. What do you think love is? 966 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,880 Is love duct tape and handcuffs in the basement? 967 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,600 I could never classify that as love. 968 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,960 News outlets broadcast the judge's sentencing 969 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,600 and damning assessment of the case. 970 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,400 Your conduct in this case was disastrous for these children. 971 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,520 Adults are supposed to protect children. 972 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,200 Adults with specialised training, in particular, 973 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,480 are supposed to protect children. 974 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,560 You didn't do that in this case. 975 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,440 In this... In this case, you terrorised children 976 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,480 and the results have been tragic. 977 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,800 Ruby and Jodi received sentences 978 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,840 of between 4 and 30 years for their crimes. 979 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,920 The Utah Parole Board will review their behaviour in prison 980 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,920 to determine when they are fit for release. 981 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,640 After the arrests, 982 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:44,440 the four youngest Franke children were placed into state care. 983 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:49,760 Kevin Franke filed for divorce from Ruby in November 2023. 984 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,480 He has continued to fight for full custody 985 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,080 of his children in the courts. 986 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,200 These are not just... 987 01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,560 These weren't strangers. 988 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,560 These were children that we know, 989 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,920 and these were... 990 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:11,520 ..happy, talkative, engaging, silly children. 991 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:16,680 There is a compassion and a love for those children. 992 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,000 As a community, I think the focus needs to be 993 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,480 on what do we do to build them up 994 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,840 and make them feel that the world is not a horrible place. 995 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,640 Ruby Franke's fall from grace was catastrophic. 996 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,560 She was a former YouTube star. 997 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,120 She had everything that seemed like the new American Dream. 998 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,360 To become a convicted child abuser, 999 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,600 the world could not look away. 1000 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,840 Throughout my time as a journalist, 1001 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,920 I've covered some pretty dark, bleak and grim cases. 1002 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,680 But there's something about this one that stands out. 1003 01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:00,400 And to me, that's the fact that it becomes this cautionary tale. 1004 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,840 It was horrific abuse... 1005 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,040 all being done by somebody 1006 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,720 who had marketed themselves as this ideal family, 1007 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,840 and it really does shed a light on what can really be going on 1008 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,480 behind closed doors in some of these influencers' lives, 1009 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,600 especially when it comes to content involving children. 82847

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