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- Ever since I was a little kid,
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I've been obsessed with the idea
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of extraterrestrial life in outer space.
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It's like it was born in me.
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- To me, it's not about belief at all.
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It's about the truth and
it's about being open to
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all the different hypotheses,
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all of the different data
and just trying to learn
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as much as we can.
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- I've always been interested in UFOs.
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It's just sort of been
a lifelong obsession.
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- When I became a MUFON field investigator
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and I started investigating
the phenomena for myself,
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it was like a fish to water.
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It was what I was meant to do,
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what I was born to do.
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I view it as a mystery.
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I think it's
ridiculous to think that
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there's not other life out there.
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I like investigating things.
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It's just in my nature.
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So if this is all coming out soon,
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you can't even talk about this.
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You know the
old saying I want to believe.
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That's me.
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- Here we are with Jeff Krauss
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outside of the MUFON headquarters here
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in Newport beach. - We made it.
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- We made it.
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- In one piece. - Two pieces.
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- One, two.
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I think that MUFON's creed says it all.
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The scientific investigation of UFOs
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for the benefit of humanity.
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- Well, it's the mutual UFO network.
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They take in reports of
sightings and experiences
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and put it all together
and sort of research
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the entire subject.
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- MUFON started out as a
midwestern UFO network.
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1969, when project blue book,
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the air force's official
investigation into UFOs closed,
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that's when MUFON became
the mutual UFO network
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and we've been doing the
air forces job ever since.
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It's a private group.
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We're all volunteers.
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I've got a little team of
eight people that work,
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ya know, under me at MUFON.
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- Specifically, I'm
interested in astrobiology,
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which is the search
for life on other planets.
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Now, interestingly enough, most people
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who are in the field of astrobiology
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would not necessarily be interviewed
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on a UFO documentary.
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- Mostly, we do this out
of love for the phenomenon
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and just a quest for
understanding this phenomenon.
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The way I will do a UFO investigation,
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if it's through MUFON,
I'll have a report come in.
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People will, ya know, if you see a UFO,
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you don't wanna call
the air force or the police
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or ya know,
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I mean, you could but
usually, they'll shuffle that
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under the doormat.
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But if you go to MUFON. Com,
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it'll say report a UFO.
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Ya click on that and
it'll ask you questions.
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What area of the sky you saw it in,
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what time of day or evening it was,
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they'll wanna know where you were at,
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ya know, what your city was.
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I'll first sent the witness an email
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and tell them who I am
and that I'm responding
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to their MUFON report
and find out a good time
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when we can talk on the phone
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and schedule an interview with them.
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- Part of it is a bit of a hunger.
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Okay, I gotta figure out what this is.
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I'm gonna do my best to
research and find it out.
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I'm gonna go through newspaper reports.
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I'm gonna search the
Internet for sighting reports
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from other organizations or from ya know,
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even social media, anything like that.
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I'm gonna do everything I can.
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I'm gonna look at local flight paths.
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I'm gonna look at
everything I possibly can find
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to try to determine what it might've been.
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- If more people see the same thing,
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then that's good too especially
because you have more
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perspectives to go off of.
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And you can find it which details match
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in every account.
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- When I start to get that going
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where I'm not sure what it is yet,
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so that sort of feeds itself.
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The more exciting it is,
the more work I have to do.
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Then there comes that moment when
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I can't say and I sit on it for a while.
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It bothers me.
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It eats away at me 'cause I don't want to
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close that report.
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I don't wanna tell that witness
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and I don't wanna tell the
other people in the organization
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for sure that's an unknown.
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I sit on it and I worry on it for a while.
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And I think, I'm like I'll
leave it and I'll come back
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to it the next day.
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I'm like no, I gotta know what this is.
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I gotta say what it is or what it's not.
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And that gets even more exciting
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but it's also nerve racking.
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- Okay, if somebody
has just a UFO sighting,
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just, right?
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I mean, it's always a huge thing
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when you see a UFO.
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It depends on how distant it is.
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If it's something that
was really in the distance,
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then it's just like a visual thing
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and ya know, it's like if
you saw anything else
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in the distance, but sometimes,
when somebody sees
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a UFO in the distance,
a weird thing happens.
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It seems like this telepathic
connection happens.
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Suddenly, the UFO is right on them.
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- And usually, the last thing I do is
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before I close the case, I
contact the state director
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and our chief state
investigator and I say hey guys,
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I think I might have something here.
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Will you look at what I've got?
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Look at my notes, look at my report,
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and tell me what you think?
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- In my mind, the holy
grail of UFO investigation
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would be if you could
actually get some kind of
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a material fragment
from the UFO, an artifact.
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That's assuming that
they are physical objects
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but let's say that they are for a second.
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If you could get an actual piece of one,
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that would be a game changer
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because then you could take it to a lab.
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You could look at its isotope ratios.
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You can look at what
elements it's made out of
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and ya know, you could see
if it matches what we know
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could come from the earth.
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And that would tell you
something pretty substantial
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about where these things are actually from
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or what their origin is.
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- It's fun, it's exciting.
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A lot of the basic day
to day investigations
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can easily be done by remote.
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Phone, video chat, email, that kinda thing.
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Depends on the type of report it is.
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Your basic day to day
hey, I saw something weird,
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I can do that over the phone
when I conduct an interview
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and I can go through
the investigation that way.
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I'll research the locations,
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go through, look at
the air traffic in the area,
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check news reports,
everything that corresponds
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on the date of the sighting
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just so I can get an idea
of what that person did
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or did not see or what may
or may not have happened.
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As the type of sightings level up,
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those would merit an
in person investigation.
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Say to investigate an actual landing sight
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or a face to face interview with somebody
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who's actually had a
face to face experience
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with something else.
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All the way up to MUFON has a division
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that does underwater research
with trained scuba divers.
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They have a 24 hour response team.
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So, ya know, if there's
another Roswell incident,
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we can have people out there
within 24 hours on the ground.
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I think the public would be surprised
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to find out there's quite a few scientists,
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ex military, police officers,
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a lot of very highly credentialed people
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involved in MUFON but
there's also housewives.
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Just anybody who's
interested who wants to help.
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- I think it helps.
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If you're a pure skeptic, that's not good.
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If you're like everybody is space brothers
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and everything's a UFO,
that's not good either.
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Ya know, you have to
be able to look at stuff
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and try to be skeptical
and try to figure out
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what prosaic thing that object might be
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or what the person saw
and what it might've been
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that's other than a UFO.
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It's almost like you check everything off
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and you just keep on
but at the end of the day,
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if I can't find a scientific
explanation for that ya know,
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sighting, there's your UFO.
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Doesn't mean that it's
from an alien planet.
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I mean, it might be a
black project of our own
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that I'm not aware of yet.
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But it's still unidentified
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and that is what a UFO is,
an unidentified flying object.
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- It's pretty easy actually.
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You can go to MUFON's website
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and you can read up on them
and see what they're all about.
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You can become a member.
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There's a little membership
fee and you get a newsletter
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and there's different levels of membership.
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After a couple years, I decided I wanted to
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get more involved and I
applied to be an investigator.
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There's a whole training process to that.
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You sign up, you do the training,
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you take tests and eventually,
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you get certified as a field investigator.
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- But that's pretty much how we do it.
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We have generally three months limit
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to how long we can take on a case.
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I had somebody ya know, put in a UFO report
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that was a rocket launch from
Vandenberg the other night.
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He happened to be in
a boat off Catalina island
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and it looked really strange.
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Ya know, the space-x
launches do look strange.
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Ya know, now the whole
ya know, bottom stage
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will go and land back
on the landing platform.
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So you've got all kinds of activity
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and you can see that all in the sky.
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I can understand why this person
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thought it was a UFO.
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I wrote the guy a really
nice email and told him
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what it was he saw.
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I said if you want, you can still talk.
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We can talk.
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Just let me know.
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Send me a email back and I'll ya know,
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explain it a little better
to you but, you know,
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we knew about this rocket launch
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and we were expecting people to report it.
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- The vast majority of
the people I've spoken to
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are excited about it.
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They wanna know, like what was it?
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What did I see?
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What is it?
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Did anybody else see it?
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They wanna know what did you think it was?
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I've talked to a couple
people who were just thrilled
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that they even had the opportunity,
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that the thing happened to them,
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that they saw this or
that they had this contact.
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Some people do ask me
directly, what was this?
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Because they feel like
when they speak to me,
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they speak to someone from MUFON,
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they think we're the experts.
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We should know.
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But we don't always know.
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And that's kinda the point.
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We don't know.
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We want to know.
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We're trying to gather the information
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from all these different sources,
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from all these reports,
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so that we can say
it is this or it is this.
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We can't always say that.
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My favorite reports are the ones
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that we classify as unknowns.
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An unknown is basically when
you can not definitively say
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what it was or was not.
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You know, there's a situation
where somebody saw something,
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maybe they might even have photographs.
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And you can within a certain percentage
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of reasonable doubt say that
was an airplane of some kind.
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I can't tell you what kind it was.
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I can't identify it, but it
was a man-made vehicle
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of some sort or it was a
satellite or it was whatever,
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a planet, a star, that's one thing.
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An unknown is where you can't say for sure.
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I can say I'm looking at this picture and
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that could be an airplane.
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That's my favorite.
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Those, to me, are the
most exciting ones because
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it really makes you think.
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You have to really do the research.
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You have to talk to the people.
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You have to look into all parts of it
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and you really have to be sure
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you can not say what it is or is not.
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They're probably the
more rare cases that we get
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but for me, they're the most exciting ones.
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They're the ones that keep me interested.
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- Yeah, a lot of them could
be secret craft or ya know,
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atmosphere plasma
phenomenon or misperceptions.
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Again, most of them are.
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But there are still those cases
where you have something
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flying in really aerodynamically
bizarre ways, right?
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It's suddenly stopping
at some insane g-force.
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It's reversing direction.
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- I do my best to not,
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I don't wanna burst someone's bubble.
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If someone really believes
hard they saw something
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and they're excited about it,
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I don't wanna break up that for them.
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I will do my best to
explain that I can't say
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for sure what that is.
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I can't tell you that is an
alien or UFO or whatever.
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I can only say what I think it might be
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or what it wasn't.
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- The answer is that in most cases,
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you can't ever know
that anything is for sure.
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But what ya can do is you can at least
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try to rule out any
conventional explanation.
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- There's times where
I absolutely have to say
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man, it's balloons man, I'm sorry.
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There was a birthday party down the street
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and those are balloons that got away.
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I try and make that as easy as possible.
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For me, it's not a
matter of disappointment.
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I'm there to just figure
out to my best ability
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what it is or what it is not.
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- Ya know, there's a lot
of different ideas out there
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about what UFOs could be.
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Classified technology from
this country or that country,
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drones, could they be just sort of people
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misperceiving things, well
yeah, they are most of the time.
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Could they be some kind of
new atmospheric phenomenon?
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Could it be some kind of a plasma,
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like ball of lightning or something?
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Could it be extraterrestrial?
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I would say something
like 98% of UFO sightings
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have a complete prosaic explanation
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and are completely explainable as
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people misperceiving
things and optical illusions.
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Sift out the minority of UFO
reports that are interesting
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from the majority that
are just sort of people
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seeing the international space station.
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What you really have to do is go in,
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look for every explanation,
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and rule it out one by one.
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It's really all about
skepticism in a lot of ways.
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If you can't debunk it,
then by definition, it's a UFO.
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So it's one thing that I
would say a lot of people
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kind of mistake.
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A UFO isn't just an unidentif, or UAP,
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it's not just an unidentified flying object
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or unexplained aerial phenomenon.
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It's something that's
unidentified or unexplained
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after you've done everything
in your power to explain it.
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Does that mean it's necessarily aliens?
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- I know what I want it to be.
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I want it to be contact from other planets,
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from other civilizations.
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That's what I really want it to be.
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I think it's ridiculous to think that
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there's not other life out there.
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- There's this idea that
they call the fermi paradox
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which is like the sort of
statement in astronomy
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of like, where is everyone?
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Where are all of the aliens
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if there's so many
stars out there that could
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host life and so forth?
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Classic argument against UFOs being alien
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is it's too, stars are too far away.
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It takes too much energy to get here
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from another star system.
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So, how are they doing that?
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Why are they doing that?
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How could they possibly have
enough time to do that anyway
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because it's just really and it is true.
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Stars are really far away.
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It'd take the voyager
which is the furthest thing
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we've ever sent out of the solar system,
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something like 50,000 years
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to leave the solar system.
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The other side of it is
that space is very big.
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It's also very, very,
very, very, very, very old.
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So if you took the age
of the universe and put it,
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scaled it down to a calendar year,
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all of human history happened in the last
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60 seconds of January 31st.
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Yes, there's the stars very far away
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and it'd take a very long time.
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But there has been enough time.
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So, let's say an alien
civilization wanted to spread out
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throughout the galaxy, right?
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The way they would do it is
they would send out one craft
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to a neighboring star system.
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It would get there.
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It would arrive in the
equivalent of the asteroid belt
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or whatever, consume some matter,
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and then it would maybe 3D print out
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a dot or probes and send
those every which way
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to different solar systems.
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And keep doing that.
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Now, you'd get kinda the snowball effect
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where within a few million years,
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you could blanket the
entire galaxy with probes
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and it's possible to do it in a timescale
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that is much, much less
than the age of the galaxy
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which is somewhere
around 10 billion years old.
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Is it kinda crazy if they're
driving their spaceship
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from Zeta Reticuli every Monday
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to go hover over Billy Bob's farm?
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Sure it is.
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But it's not ludicrous
to say that their probes
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could've passed through the solar system,
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ya know, waves of traffic from that kind of
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colonization scenario,
could be in the solar system.
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They could be hiding
somewhere in the asteroid belt
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or the Kuiper belt, the edge
of the solar system, wherever,
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and maybe if they are, they
periodically send their probes
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to observe the earth.
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And that is within
physics, within astronomy,
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within astrobiology, a
completely reasonable thing
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to speculate about and
it's completely possible.
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- When I was five years old,
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my mom did disclosure for me.
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Now it wasn't a family secret.
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We all knew that mom worked
as one of Howard Hughes'
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two private personal secretaries
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but when I was five, for whatever reason,
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my mom got talkative and she just told me
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about what she, about a story,
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about what she'd gone through.
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That when she was working for Hughes,
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that they took her out to this,
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to the middle of nowhere, she said it was
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a great American desert.
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She had a little security detail with them
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and there was this bunker or this shack
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is the way that she put it, a shack,
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and made outta concrete and
kind of low slung to the ground
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and it looked like nothing.
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She said that she wondered why they were
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taking her out to where
it looked like maybe
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they kept tools or ya know,
machinery or something.
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But they opened up the doors.
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Everything's locked and secured.
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There was an elevator.
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So, she got into the elevator with a couple
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of security guys and she
thought that it was gonna
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go down a couple of floors.
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But it kept going down.
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And she said it just kept
going and it seemed to have
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a bit of speed to it and she
felt butterflies in her stomach
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but when it finally stopped moving,
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she said that the doors opened up
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and there was a little
city there under the desert.
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She said that they had this one,
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that they had little cafes and places
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where you could get food and movie theaters
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and bowling alley
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and she talked about how it was funny,
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there was this one cafe that
had these yellow umbrellas
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over all the little tables,
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like a French cafe.
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She seemed to get a kick outta the fact
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that they had umbrellas in a cave.
446
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But it is apparently to
make people feel comfortable
447
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with their surroundings.
448
00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:09,247
My mom said that there were a lot of German
449
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rocket scientists that work down there.
450
00:20:12,474 --> 00:20:13,867
Now I tried, I would ask my mom
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what were you guys working on down there?
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She would never answer that question.
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I still don't know.
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I still have no idea.
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In my investigations, there was one guy
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who was a RAF pilot whose
mom was another secretary
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for Hughes and she told him the same story.
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I heard this from a friend of his.
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She was more detailed
when she talked about the lab.
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She said it was Howard Hughes' lab.
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They had a little cat walk
that went over everything
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so you could see what they
were working on down there.
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It was a quite elaborate set up.
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It was like something out
of James Bond, but real.
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- I would say that I was
always really fascinated by
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just the question of
other life in the universe.
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I grew up very into science fiction.
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Basically just my young
imagination kinda got captured
469
00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:12,727
by this idea of other life
out there in the universe
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and when we find it, what would happen
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if we made first contact.
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- The first time I really
heard her talk about it
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and she would kind of say in general,
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well, we're not alone.
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We're not alone in the universe.
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There's too many stars, too many planets,
477
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it's impossible.
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So, she didn't say that she had
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learned that anywhere exotic.
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There was one incident where my cousins
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were out visiting and my aunt brought
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a copy of look magazine and
it had the Betty and Barney hill
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story on the cover.
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While my aunt was very
skeptical about the Betty
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and Barney hill case,
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she was ya know, saying
that well how would this happen
487
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and how wouldn't everybody
else have seen this,
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ya know, a space ship coming down?
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Wouldn't the air force have known about it?
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Blah, blah, blah.
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My mom said to her,
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"from what I know, what I've learned,
493
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"this could very well
have actually happened."
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We aren't alone and the
government knows this.
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My aunt, at that point
said, "oh well, this is crazy.
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"It's like a bad science fiction film."
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It says that they stuck
a needle into her naval.
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That was the first time I
heard my mom say that,
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ya know, that this was a real thing,
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that UFOs were real and that the phenomena,
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there was something to it.
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- When I was very little,
I thought I was being
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visited by monsters or devils or something
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when I was a little kid.
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The whole like frozen in place thing,
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the bed lifting off the ground,
507
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things in the room moving, weird sounds,
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00:22:46,453 --> 00:22:49,267
footsteps, things like that.
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Being frozen in place and I
have very specific memories of
510
00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:56,616
things like the bed
being lifted off the ground
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and actually being tilted so to sort of
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slide me off the end of
the bed, that kinda thing.
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Because I'd been into
UFOs and things like that,
514
00:23:03,892 --> 00:23:06,547
I started thinking that's what it was.
515
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:09,787
Little bit later on, jump
forward into the 90s a bit.
516
00:23:09,870 --> 00:23:11,466
Ya know, there's a thing
called the Internet now.
517
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:14,287
I was reading on a news
group about UFO abductions
518
00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:16,567
'cause I was kinda feeling
like that was what was
519
00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:18,410
going on, I was pretty
convinced at the time.
520
00:23:18,472 --> 00:23:23,315
And then, I found out about
a thing called sleep paralysis
521
00:23:23,398 --> 00:23:26,730
where you are essentially
between sleep states.
522
00:23:26,813 --> 00:23:28,607
Your body is shut down
523
00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:30,307
but your mind is still moving.
524
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:31,897
Your eyes are even open
525
00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:34,237
giving the sensation
of being frozen in place.
526
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,877
And almost hallucinating
while you're doing it.
527
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,597
So a lot of people will
report hearing footsteps,
528
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,446
seeing shadows around the room,
529
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:44,887
activity just outside of the peripheral,
530
00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:46,507
just outside of your vision.
531
00:23:46,590 --> 00:23:49,477
Turns out I've had it
chronically my entire life,
532
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,987
which isn't as common and
that's what I was experiencing.
533
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:56,827
That did feed directly
into my interest in UFOs.
534
00:23:56,910 --> 00:23:58,236
I've talked to people who have had
535
00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:00,727
genuine abduction situations.
536
00:24:00,810 --> 00:24:04,117
That's not what I was experiencing.
537
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,616
A lot of people think
they're being abducted
538
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,447
and it turns out to be sleep paralysis.
539
00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:10,018
And I think sometimes people
maybe are being abducted
540
00:24:10,101 --> 00:24:12,247
and everyone tells
them it's sleep paralysis
541
00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:13,507
when it's not.
542
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:15,067
It's kind of a gray area.
543
00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:17,857
But that fit into my
interest, got me deep into it
544
00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:19,995
'cause I wanted to research all about it
545
00:24:20,078 --> 00:24:22,472
up until I figured out
what this condition was.
546
00:24:22,555 --> 00:24:27,367
- So this happened back in 2017.
547
00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:31,717
I was taking astronomy at
the local community college.
548
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,287
We had been observing the
moon for a really long time,
549
00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:37,477
mapping craters and so forth.
550
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,547
So I was trying to get
the telescope trained
551
00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:42,037
on the Orion nebula and then,
552
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,053
I heard this group of people behind me,
553
00:24:45,136 --> 00:24:49,177
another group on a different telescope,
554
00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:52,297
freaking out about some object in the sky.
555
00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:55,117
They're going like holy
shit, what is that thing?
556
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,197
So ya know, I was like okay, ya know,
557
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,347
the moon and the Orion
nebula are gonna be here
558
00:25:02,430 --> 00:25:04,087
for a few billion more years.
559
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:07,117
I'm gonna have plenty of
other chances to look at those.
560
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,117
This thing might not be
here for another second.
561
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,067
I better go see what it is.
562
00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:15,667
I walk over to where they're all pointing
563
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:17,767
and I'm standing there and what it was,
564
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,097
it was this v-shaped object.
565
00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:23,257
It was gunmetal black
and there were four big
566
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:27,127
circular white lights
down either arm of the V.
567
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:31,687
Sort of like what was seen in the 1997
568
00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:35,827
Phoenix lights incident
if you know that one
569
00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:39,243
and it was just drifting
along really, really slowly.
570
00:25:39,326 --> 00:25:43,207
One of the other witnesses
said looked like it was going
571
00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:45,277
something like 15 miles per hour.
572
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,187
Really low, really, really, really low.
573
00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:51,607
It was started maybe
level with the tree tops
574
00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:54,697
and never got above about
1,000 feet, I would say.
575
00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:56,707
It was pretty big in the night sky.
576
00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:58,902
I would say it was comparable to
577
00:25:58,985 --> 00:26:01,927
if you've ever seen the full moon.
578
00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:04,537
It just kept on going and kept
on going and kept on going
579
00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:07,428
and then, after about 20ish seconds,
580
00:26:07,511 --> 00:26:11,737
it kinda got to a point and so,
581
00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:15,740
this is where my account
diverges with the other witnesses.
582
00:26:15,823 --> 00:26:17,857
I remember seeing
something a little bit different
583
00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:20,017
from the other people that were there.
584
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,447
What I distinctly remembered is
585
00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:25,354
when it got to the point where it stopped,
586
00:26:25,437 --> 00:26:28,687
it looked to me almost like it faded into
587
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:30,517
the rest of the sky.
588
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,607
The best way I could describe
it is it was like the borders,
589
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:37,477
these edges of this V
shaped craft were very sharp,
590
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,245
very distinct and it was
kinda like the borders
591
00:26:40,328 --> 00:26:43,357
looked to me like they were getting almost
592
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,797
fuzzier and fuzzier until the structure
593
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,557
kinda faded into the rest of the sky.
594
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,640
That's what I remember.
595
00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:53,617
Now, the only witnesses only,
596
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:55,296
the other witnesses
remember it differently.
597
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,007
They remember just seeing it trail off
598
00:26:57,090 --> 00:26:59,377
until they couldn't see it anymore.
599
00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:00,907
So they didn't see it cloaking.
600
00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:03,697
What I'll say about that
is that no two people
601
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,427
are gonna remember an event the same way.
602
00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:10,537
So if I see a car crash,
I'll say it was a red Honda
603
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:13,597
or something and you might say it was
604
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,107
a orange Lamborghini and
that's an extreme example
605
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:18,847
but everyone remem...
606
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:22,417
Details of any remembered
eyewitness account
607
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,757
are gonna differ in certain ways.
608
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,887
But we all agreed that it was there.
609
00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:28,086
We all agreed that it happened.
610
00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:29,497
There were three other people.
611
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:33,667
So I was like okay well,
I saw something weird,
612
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:34,927
didn't get a video.
613
00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:37,380
I'm kind of annoyed about that, ya know?
614
00:27:37,463 --> 00:27:40,537
Especially as a scientific sort of person.
615
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:42,667
I like to have evidence for things.
616
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:45,727
So, I said to myself, okay,
I want to investigate this.
617
00:27:45,810 --> 00:27:48,877
I wanna figure out what I saw.
618
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,327
And I wanna see if I
can get to the bottom of it.
619
00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:56,527
- The way that I became
a MUFON field investigator
620
00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:59,077
was after my mom passed away.
621
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,387
I started just veraciously
reading the literature out there.
622
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:06,226
Ya know, before, when my mom was alive,
623
00:28:06,309 --> 00:28:08,887
there was always that
chance she might give me
624
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:11,317
that golden ticket and finally, ya know,
625
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,352
just tell me outright everything.
626
00:28:14,435 --> 00:28:16,807
There's no chance of that now.
627
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:19,537
I just kept on reading and watching shows
628
00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:22,567
and finally realized ya
know, I'm no better off now
629
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:24,207
than I was before.
630
00:28:24,290 --> 00:28:26,197
Ya know, I don't know who to believe
631
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,197
and what's true and what's bogus and what.
632
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Around 2014 or 15, hangar 1 TV show came on
633
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:38,437
which was the MUFON produced UFO show
634
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,417
and it was a cut above everything else
635
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:41,317
that was out there.
636
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,777
It was ya know, from case files,
637
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:46,507
by watching that show, I finally decided
638
00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:47,887
I wanna do this.
639
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:50,497
I wanna go and investigate my own cases
640
00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:53,347
and that way, I'm not
reading about somebody else's
641
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:55,987
ya know, investigation they did.
642
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,947
I'm not questioning the
veracity of these reports.
643
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,617
It's feet on the ground, ya know?
644
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,897
And it's me doing it.
645
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:07,747
But I found my state
director who is Jeff Krauss
646
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:11,043
at that time and he told me, you know,
647
00:29:11,126 --> 00:29:13,627
if you go to MUFON. Com,
648
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:16,477
it'll say become a
MUFON field investigator.
649
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,835
Just click on that and it'll
give you all the information.
650
00:29:19,918 --> 00:29:23,227
Technically ya know, you
get the field investigator's
651
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:26,557
handbook which is excellent document.
652
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,057
Very professional.
653
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:31,657
Based on Dr. J. Allen
Hynek's work and Vallee,
654
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:33,337
Jacques Vallee's work.
655
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:37,687
And just these many ya know, 54 years now
656
00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:40,747
that MUFON has been doing this.
657
00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:44,497
So I studied the book
and then ya take a test.
658
00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:46,807
They do a background check on you and stuff
659
00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:50,707
because you don't want, ya
know, serial killers and stuff
660
00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:52,194
doing this, yeah.
661
00:29:53,765 --> 00:29:56,857
The next thing you know,
I was a field investigator.
662
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:58,297
I started getting cases.
663
00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:01,777
You know, a case will
come in and the state director
664
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:03,217
will assign those cases.
665
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,817
That's what I do now is I'll
assign the cases to other,
666
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,388
my field investigator team.
667
00:30:09,471 --> 00:30:11,917
Once in a while, I'll
see one that seems like
668
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,244
it has my name on it.
669
00:30:13,327 --> 00:30:16,215
I feel an affinity for and once in a while,
670
00:30:16,298 --> 00:30:20,035
I'll grab one for myself
now still 'cause ya know,
671
00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:25,118
you're either a UFO
investigator or you're not, right?
672
00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:28,687
So, I always have current cases going
673
00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:30,217
but I share the wealth now.
674
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,967
- We don't have very many
confirmed cases where
675
00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:37,147
I could actually take a piece of a UFO
676
00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:38,617
and do a lab and study it.
677
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:43,417
But what we do have is
a lot of evidence of them
678
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,997
affecting the environment around them.
679
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,687
So we have evidence of
them bouncing radar waves
680
00:30:49,770 --> 00:30:51,487
off of themselves.
681
00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:54,517
We have evidence of
them having heat signatures
682
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,097
that can be picked up on infrared camera.
683
00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:01,597
- There's definitely a great interest in
684
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,737
our military capabilities by our visitors.
685
00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:07,973
This is why we see things like
686
00:31:08,056 --> 00:31:10,657
my friend Robert Solas, for instance,
687
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:15,740
who was a commander
of an ICBM base in Montana
688
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,589
back in 1968.
689
00:31:18,672 --> 00:31:22,507
They had a UFO that was hovering right over
690
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:24,217
the missile base.
691
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,737
The guy in the guard shack is calling down.
692
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:28,443
Everybody sees this thing.
693
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,447
Each missile went offline.
694
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:34,147
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
695
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:35,677
And then they went back online.
696
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:36,876
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
697
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:38,617
It's like this is what we can do.
698
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:39,980
Yeah you can build these things.
699
00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:41,677
You can aim them at each other.
700
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,157
But you're not in control
of what finally really
701
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,927
actually happens to them.
702
00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:49,027
We have final word on that.
703
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:50,527
I think it was a show of power.
704
00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:52,957
It was also showing us, I mean,
705
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,537
this is a repeating thing that people hear
706
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:58,207
in alien encounters is that ya know,
707
00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:02,857
nuclear weapons are evil,
that they will destroy humanity.
708
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:07,135
People are left with visions and dreams
709
00:32:07,218 --> 00:32:11,167
after having a contact experience
710
00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:15,667
of desolation like the
book of revelation, ya know?
711
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:18,997
But we brought it upon
ourselves is what people
712
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,487
are always told, that this is your future
713
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:23,197
if you're not careful.
714
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,681
I heard from one
interesting person recently
715
00:32:26,764 --> 00:32:30,157
who told me Mars isn't
so much for colonization
716
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,487
as it is a learning tool for you guys.
717
00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:37,567
This is what you will become
if you don't change your ways.
718
00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:41,707
- We're now at an age where data is finally
719
00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:43,747
being released about this stuff.
720
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:47,502
Tick tack stuff, yeah, the
USS Nimitz, all of those.
721
00:32:47,585 --> 00:32:49,685
You had multiple eyewitnesses.
722
00:32:49,768 --> 00:32:51,787
Honestly, that's nothing new.
723
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:54,487
That's been in the UFO
literature for decades.
724
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:57,307
The point is that now,
the only difference now
725
00:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,047
is that it's being talked about a lot more
726
00:33:01,130 --> 00:33:02,737
in the mainstream.
727
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:05,797
So now, even NASA is
openly getting involved
728
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,207
in investigating UFOs.
729
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:09,487
That was something that was announced
730
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:11,197
just like three weeks ago.
731
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,160
- Well I know there's
been a string of sightings
732
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,313
over the years of military pilots
733
00:33:16,396 --> 00:33:20,647
seeing strange objects
flying around while they're
734
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:23,257
up in the air and not just visual
735
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:25,027
but also being picked up on radar.
736
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,247
The pilots are picking it
up and the radar towers
737
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:29,617
and the bases are picking it up as well.
738
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,897
There's plenty of audio
recordings of the pilots
739
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:34,387
talking back and forth
and describing the sightings
740
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,620
as they're seeing them.
741
00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:38,436
Seems like a lot of them are
taking place over the water,
742
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:40,188
over our coasts.
743
00:33:40,271 --> 00:33:43,822
And there's a whole theory on aquatic UFOs.
744
00:33:43,905 --> 00:33:46,027
I find it very interesting that
745
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:48,247
the military's finally acknowledging this
746
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,330
and releasing it.
747
00:33:49,410 --> 00:33:51,997
- Best evidence I've heard of up till now,
748
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,787
I would say I would harken back to
749
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:57,367
what everyone kind of talks about which is
750
00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:59,308
the tic tac incident.
751
00:33:59,391 --> 00:34:03,217
- As far as the tic tac and
the way that the government,
752
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,897
I think that they were very, very,
753
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:07,057
very foot draggy about it.
754
00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:11,527
I mean, this event happened in 2004.
755
00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:15,787
It wasn't until 2017 that it
became public knowledge.
756
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:18,757
A video got out and there's
nothing that they could say
757
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,687
about that video.
758
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:21,367
It wasn't supposed to get out.
759
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:24,097
It went out privately on the sly
760
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:27,337
and one of the pilots,
ya know, he more or less
761
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:32,420
videoed his radar screen
or his flir video screen
762
00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:34,147
of what they were seeing.
763
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:36,757
And there you see this
craft that's just doing things
764
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,107
that are impossible for
anything that we have to do.
765
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:43,867
- Yeah, there was no
visible means of propulsion
766
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:45,153
which is really weird.
767
00:34:46,233 --> 00:34:48,847
Really, really weird.
768
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:52,957
I mean, that shouldn't be
possible with what we know.
769
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,847
No visible means of propulsion
770
00:34:54,930 --> 00:34:58,237
and being able to do those maneuvers.
771
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,224
And being able to, I mean,
if you think about it right,
772
00:35:01,307 --> 00:35:04,627
from a physics standpoint, if you're in a
773
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:07,525
really fast moving thing that's going at
774
00:35:07,608 --> 00:35:11,731
thousands of gs and suddenly stopping,
775
00:35:11,814 --> 00:35:14,617
you would be turned to
paste because ya know,
776
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,167
if you've ever been in a
car that suddenly stops,
777
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:19,417
you know that inertia is a thing.
778
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,967
You would be thrown
to the wall of the thing
779
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:23,527
really, really hard.
780
00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:28,597
Somehow, that's not
happening to whatever is piloting
781
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,689
these things unless there is no pilot.
782
00:35:30,772 --> 00:35:34,777
I think the likeliest version
of the extraterrestrial
783
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:36,397
hypothesis from what I know
784
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,507
is that they might be machines, probes.
785
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:43,657
- So I think that the
government was kind of forced
786
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:46,117
to acknowledge that yes, it's a thing,
787
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,637
and it opened up the whole can of worms.
788
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,316
- At one point I think the original footage
789
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:52,957
had been leaked out
and then a little while later,
790
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,147
the military officially released it.
791
00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:56,707
That's an amazing step.
792
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:58,567
That's a huge step compared to the last
793
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:00,757
let's say 60, 70 years
794
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,557
where they just say no, no, it's nothing.
795
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,907
We don't know anything.
796
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:05,857
We don't research that stuff.
797
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:07,746
Turns out they have been
researching it all along.
798
00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:09,816
They've been keeping tabs
on this stuff from day one.
799
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,665
- And I think that they
were afraid that if they put,
800
00:36:12,748 --> 00:36:15,757
if they put stuff out to the public,
801
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,917
you're also putting it out to our enemies.
802
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,201
You're putting it out to other ya know,
803
00:36:21,284 --> 00:36:24,580
other foreign nationals that might not have
804
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:28,447
our self interest in mind.
805
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:31,297
So I can see why they're
foot draggy about it.
806
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:35,133
I can see why they didn't
want that information out there,
807
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,107
but it's about time.
808
00:36:38,190 --> 00:36:39,306
- I think these tic tac sightings
809
00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:40,897
are a huge step in that direction
810
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:44,097
to getting what we call disclosure,
811
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:47,767
of the government saying
yes, here's what we know.
812
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:50,923
Here's what we've got
on file for all of this stuff.
813
00:36:51,006 --> 00:36:53,977
They bleed it out a
little bit at a time to us
814
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:56,197
but I think there's a lot
more they're not saying.
815
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,040
I know there's a lot
more they're not saying.
816
00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:00,847
- Cases where you have multiple sensors
817
00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:02,707
that are all picking these things up.
818
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:05,167
So it's not just eyewitnesses
819
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:06,847
but it's all of these sort of things
820
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:09,387
that are designed to monitor the sky.
821
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:12,427
Ya know 'cause the thing is a delusion,
822
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:16,717
a hallucination can't
bounce radar waves off of it
823
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,417
and it can't show up on an infrared camera.
824
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,117
- Especially near air bases or anywhere
825
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,977
where they have nuclear weapons,
826
00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:25,327
anything of that sort.
827
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:27,277
Sort of high security areas.
828
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,010
They tend to see that a lot more,
829
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:32,587
traditionally near missile
silos and things like that.
830
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:34,507
There's been plenty of
cases of anything from
831
00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:38,347
just strange lights to
there's been historical cases
832
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:43,327
of having alarms and things being set off
833
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:46,477
or even triggering launch sequences.
834
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,637
There's even been reports of just
835
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,787
not military, necessarily,
but NASA test rockets,
836
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,067
test flights, being messed with,
837
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:56,347
seeing lights and seeing
things moving around
838
00:37:56,430 --> 00:38:00,337
the launch site and having
the launch being shut down.
839
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:01,327
Oh, we didn't do it.
840
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:02,227
We'll keep shutting this off.
841
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:04,477
We'll keep ya know, breaking,
842
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,796
but nobody could figure out what it was
843
00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:07,356
except that it lined up
with these weird lights
844
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,647
in these sightings at the time.
845
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:10,567
- It's very difficult, I'd say.
846
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:12,457
It's very difficult to do that with the,
847
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,767
at least the physics that we have,
848
00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:17,437
but that's what makes
them interesting, right?
849
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,917
So the analogy that I would make is if,
850
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,000
if these are alien, they
are interstellar in origin,
851
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:31,117
then it's kind of like
the level of technology
852
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,817
that you would need to
do what I just described,
853
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:38,677
colonize the whole galaxy,
possible but very advanced.
854
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,677
Advanced enough, in fact,
that I would harken back
855
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,924
to Arthur C. Clarke's old quote,
856
00:38:45,007 --> 00:38:46,784
"any sufficiently advanced technology
857
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:49,023
"is indistinguishable from magic."
858
00:38:49,106 --> 00:38:53,077
It would be a little bit like
magic in the sense that,
859
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,087
ya know, if you sent a nuclear reactor
860
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:58,177
back to Victorian England,
that would really be
861
00:38:58,260 --> 00:39:00,427
magic to them, ya know?
862
00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:02,647
'Cause they don't understand.
863
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:06,337
That would've been before
Marie curie sort of figured out
864
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:09,487
radium and figured out ya know,
865
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:12,097
it wouldn't make any sense.
866
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:15,727
One signifier of
extraterrestrial technology
867
00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:17,557
that got here from another star system
868
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,447
should be that it doesn't make sense to us.
869
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:21,903
It shouldn't make sense to us.
870
00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:25,687
- I mean, yeah.
871
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:28,267
I mean, there's some
stuff I don't necessarily
872
00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:30,991
like to say or talk about just because
873
00:39:31,074 --> 00:39:34,297
I don't like to give definitive answers
874
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:37,537
and I also like, with cases
I've personally worked,
875
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:39,366
I don't like to talk too
much about it because
876
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:41,353
these are private citizens
that may or may not have said,
877
00:39:41,377 --> 00:39:43,205
"hey, you can talk
about this or you can't."
878
00:39:43,288 --> 00:39:46,724
When you file a report,
there is a box that says,
879
00:39:46,807 --> 00:39:47,976
"do you wanna remain anonymous?"
880
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,617
Do you want to keep this stuff quiet
881
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:51,577
or do you care?
882
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:53,467
There's a thing for that.
883
00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:55,930
I just assume, even if they don't care,
884
00:39:56,013 --> 00:39:59,324
I don't like to say that,
885
00:39:59,407 --> 00:40:01,514
"oh, this lady from this specific town
886
00:40:01,597 --> 00:40:03,937
"on this specific day saw this thing."
887
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:05,526
Because people will
put two and two together.
888
00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:07,777
They'll figure out that was Mary Jane
889
00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:10,957
who lived in ya know,
Las Vegas, and she's a...
890
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,696
They'll figure that out
and maybe that person
891
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,620
doesn't want anybody to know about it.
892
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,757
So, I tend to shy away
from giving too much detail
893
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,287
on ya know, actual real
cases I've worked personally.
894
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:25,507
- Ya know, there's a few different reasons.
895
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:28,477
The subject was stigmatized
but it was more stigmatized
896
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,017
from the standpoint
of most of the scientists
897
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,726
involved in the search for life, obviously,
898
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:36,367
would tell you yeah,
there's probably life out there
899
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:37,327
or else they wouldn't be spending
900
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:38,737
their careers on it, right?
901
00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:43,820
But the idea was ya
know, it's very difficult for
902
00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:47,137
interstellar travel is really hard.
903
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:50,677
And why would the aliens
come here to just sort of
904
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,760
show up and hover over
some dude's farm in Kentucky
905
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,387
and abduct a few cattle.
906
00:40:58,470 --> 00:41:01,087
Or you've heard the old
stereotype about UFOs.
907
00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:02,713
You know about it.
908
00:41:02,796 --> 00:41:04,657
So, that was a big part of it.
909
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:06,817
I think another thing is that UFOs
910
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,877
are very difficult thing to
study with the scientific method
911
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,957
because you can't predict
when a UFO is gonna show up.
912
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,437
So, if I wanted to
observe a star, let's say,
913
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,687
I could train my telescope on it
914
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:25,087
and I know that that star's
gonna be there tomorrow.
915
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:27,007
So I could train my telescope on it again.
916
00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:29,887
So I can reproduce whatever I find.
917
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:32,677
UFOs, you don't know
when one's gonna show up.
918
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,527
You can't set up an observation station,
919
00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:39,397
an experiment and
everything, because it's not,
920
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,987
it's completely unpredictable.
921
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:44,406
It's very difficult to sort
of get repeated tests.
922
00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:52,477
- This is one case
that's just kind of a really
923
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,297
interesting straight ahead UFO case.
924
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:59,051
MUFON case number 95355.
925
00:41:59,134 --> 00:42:02,407
Kinda blows me away and I do, ya know,
926
00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:04,447
keep in touch with the main witness.
927
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:06,727
Witness and two friends
were on a weekend camping
928
00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:10,016
fishing trip at lake
silverwood near big bear.
929
00:42:10,099 --> 00:42:12,727
Driving in a rural area,
the witness observed
930
00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:14,497
a bright Amber light that was flying
931
00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:17,009
silently and low in the distance.
932
00:42:17,092 --> 00:42:19,837
The object, he noticed
that the object didn't have
933
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,117
proper FAA lights on it,
934
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,397
so the witness pulled his
truck over to the shoulder
935
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,977
and all three witnesses
got out of the truck.
936
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:29,260
They were all leaning up
against the bumper of the truck
937
00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:32,947
watching as the object slowly
approached their position.
938
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:36,187
As the object approached,
it resolved into an object
939
00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:38,947
which the witness described
as a black boomerang
940
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:42,157
wedge-like shape, like a giant pair of
941
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,257
wraparound sunglasses.
942
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:46,537
By the way, I'll mention
that the main witness
943
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:49,417
of this case is an aerospace engineer
944
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,267
working for a major aerospace company.
945
00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:55,927
All three witnesses could
hear a low humming sound.
946
00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:58,357
We could feel it in our bones and our feet.
947
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,466
It was quite uncomfortable.
948
00:43:00,549 --> 00:43:03,127
The witness's friend said that he made sure
949
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:05,227
the truck engine was turned off
950
00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:07,327
as he had heard that UFOs can cause
951
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:10,777
car electrical problems and
cause an electrical system
952
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:12,007
to burn out.
953
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:12,847
And that's true.
954
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:14,917
We've seen that from case to case.
955
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,227
The witness states that
the object had four visible
956
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:19,957
decks on either side facing him
957
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,987
that he could actually
see backlit silhouettes of
958
00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:25,777
either people or possibly beings
959
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:28,777
standing or walking on four louvered decks
960
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:31,597
which were visible behind a giant window
961
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,487
or what looked like a giant window,
962
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:35,317
which encased the front of the craft.
963
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,447
I'm guessing it was
some kind of a force field
964
00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:39,844
or some material that we don't or,
965
00:43:39,927 --> 00:43:41,707
don't know about.
966
00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:43,717
As the object passed over the witness,
967
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,547
he could see four panels on the back
968
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:48,247
which had the look of electronic snow
969
00:43:48,330 --> 00:43:50,587
like you see on a old television set
970
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:52,537
that's between channels.
971
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:55,387
And I've heard this in other cases too
972
00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:57,277
where there's a propulsion system seen
973
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,377
and it looked almost like the snow
974
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:01,537
that you'll see on a television.
975
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:03,967
The witness states the
craft continued heading
976
00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:06,667
on it's original trajectory
until it was finally
977
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:10,387
lost to their sight at the
visual vanishing point.
978
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:13,657
The witness who was on the
camping trip with his friends,
979
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:15,877
he worked as a lab technician doing
980
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,367
electroplating of circuitry boards
981
00:44:18,450 --> 00:44:22,087
that were used exclusively
in aerospace work.
982
00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:24,041
Guy as sharp as a tack.
983
00:44:24,124 --> 00:44:26,707
No reason to make this story up.
984
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:27,967
Here's some of his interview.
985
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:29,714
He said, "I've never seen anything like
986
00:44:29,797 --> 00:44:31,574
"what we witnessed that Sunday.
987
00:44:31,657 --> 00:44:32,504
"We all saw it.
988
00:44:32,587 --> 00:44:34,754
"My best friend who passed away last year
989
00:44:34,837 --> 00:44:36,014
"was there as well.
990
00:44:36,097 --> 00:44:38,534
"He didn't want to report this even though
991
00:44:38,617 --> 00:44:41,864
"we did know about MUFON
when we had our sighting.
992
00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:44,444
"But John recently passed
away which freed me up
993
00:44:44,527 --> 00:44:47,384
"to finally put in a
sighting report about this.
994
00:44:47,467 --> 00:44:49,784
"I don't know if it's
ours or if it's theirs
995
00:44:49,867 --> 00:44:51,614
"but I'm hoping that you can help me
996
00:44:51,697 --> 00:44:54,997
"because it looked like
a flying aircraft carrier."
997
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,557
I interviewed the witness.
998
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,127
It says here, you know, I
interviewed him thoroughly
999
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:02,347
three times over four months.
1000
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:03,997
A witness never changed his story,
1001
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,273
never embellished on what he had said.
1002
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:09,607
What I'll do when I speak with somebody,
1003
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:14,137
like in this case, there was
only one main witness left.
1004
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,447
So I'll kinda cold call the person
1005
00:45:16,530 --> 00:45:19,357
and have them repeat so that ya know,
1006
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,692
you know if somebody's
reading from a piece of paper
1007
00:45:21,775 --> 00:45:24,817
or if they're embellishing
or making something up
1008
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,490
or if they're telling you
something from memory.
1009
00:45:27,573 --> 00:45:30,547
This guy had just all the
emotions that you would have
1010
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:33,063
if you had seen something
amazing like that.
1011
00:45:34,861 --> 00:45:36,644
He said, "we were all talking to each other
1012
00:45:36,727 --> 00:45:37,807
"about what we were seeing.
1013
00:45:37,867 --> 00:45:41,234
"We were excited and scared
as well as you could imagine.
1014
00:45:41,317 --> 00:45:43,574
"We could see columns from deck to deck
1015
00:45:43,657 --> 00:45:44,984
"and on the most upper deck,
1016
00:45:45,067 --> 00:45:47,924
"we could see humanoid
figures moving around.
1017
00:45:48,007 --> 00:45:50,444
"We were saying things
like look at that guy.
1018
00:45:50,527 --> 00:45:52,364
"Is he driving that thing or what?
1019
00:45:52,447 --> 00:45:55,244
"It looked like somebody
was shining a light
1020
00:45:55,327 --> 00:45:58,627
"up at it like the UFO
that was seen in China."
1021
00:45:58,710 --> 00:46:01,447
There was a similar
sighting that was seen in
1022
00:46:01,530 --> 00:46:04,724
Beijing airport a few years ago.
1023
00:46:04,807 --> 00:46:06,644
"Everything around us
seemed to be crackling
1024
00:46:06,727 --> 00:46:08,984
"and I could feel my insides humming.
1025
00:46:09,067 --> 00:46:10,753
"Thinking of it now, I'm really glad that I
1026
00:46:10,777 --> 00:46:12,854
"turned off my truck.
1027
00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:14,774
"As we were looking
at the back of the craft,
1028
00:46:14,857 --> 00:46:16,844
"there were four boxes that were louvered
1029
00:46:16,927 --> 00:46:20,594
"and they shimmered like a
road on a hot summer day.
1030
00:46:20,677 --> 00:46:23,834
"The boxes looked like a TV
when there's no channels on.
1031
00:46:23,917 --> 00:46:27,134
"Black and gray from
top to bottom of the craft.
1032
00:46:27,217 --> 00:46:29,294
"When I worked in aircraft, I was once in
1033
00:46:29,377 --> 00:46:33,134
"the world's largest building
in Everett, Washington.
1034
00:46:33,217 --> 00:46:35,204
"I was aircraft hangar there
1035
00:46:35,287 --> 00:46:36,764
"and this would not fit in there.
1036
00:46:36,847 --> 00:46:39,554
"The ceiling would've
collapsed with all the structures
1037
00:46:39,637 --> 00:46:42,187
"having to be removed to fit it in."
1038
00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:44,017
The way that I closed this case was,
1039
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:46,627
I said witness was to the point, lucid.
1040
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:48,787
He never diverted from
his original interview
1041
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:50,197
and his statements.
1042
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,267
He recounted his experience from memory
1043
00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:55,417
and never stumbled around
in recounting his sighting
1044
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,687
as if recalling a remembered incident.
1045
00:46:58,770 --> 00:47:01,057
Witness has worked for
many years as a technician
1046
00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:04,117
in the aerospace industry
having originally worked
1047
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,897
in electroplating components
at his grandfather's company.
1048
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:10,297
Considering the witnesses
background in aerospace
1049
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:13,297
and the witnesses composure
and the levels of emotion
1050
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:15,007
while describing his sighting to me
1051
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,487
during the four methodical
interviews I conducted with him,
1052
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:20,225
I believe the witness was describing
1053
00:47:20,308 --> 00:47:23,677
a remembered event
that he could not explain.
1054
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,087
And I closed this as a
unknown aerial vehicle, a UFO.
1055
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:30,607
That's one of my favorite UFO cases.
1056
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:34,993
It's just no abduction,
no beings except possibly,
1057
00:47:35,076 --> 00:47:38,917
ya know, and I wonder
what this was, ya know?
1058
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,759
Could it have been time travelers?
1059
00:47:40,842 --> 00:47:43,447
Was that us from the future, ya know?
1060
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:47,047
It has kind of a human craft look to it.
1061
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:49,237
Ya know, the aircraft carrier thing.
1062
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,547
I could kinda see that, ya know?
1063
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:53,407
In his illustration.
1064
00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:55,897
But certainly, I don't think it's something
1065
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:57,427
that we have now.
1066
00:47:57,510 --> 00:48:00,101
Or if it is, it's quite secretive.
1067
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,036
- Ya know, I've been
told time and time again
1068
00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:04,386
that ya know, the more you do this,
1069
00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:07,867
the more involved you
get with UFO research.
1070
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:09,817
You tend to start having those experiences
1071
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,727
like you somehow, you pop
up on their radar somehow,
1072
00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:13,957
whoever they are.
1073
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,567
They realize you're interested
and you're poking around,
1074
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:19,297
so they poke back eventually.
1075
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:21,007
I haven't had that happen yet.
1076
00:48:21,090 --> 00:48:22,327
It's a little frightening.
1077
00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:25,177
Depending on the degree
of poking that's being done.
1078
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:29,035
But I do wanna experience that for myself.
1079
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:34,417
- If anybody out there,
if you've had an affinity
1080
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,577
for the things that I've been talking about
1081
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:38,749
and you'd like to do this yourself,
1082
00:48:38,832 --> 00:48:40,987
it's not only very possible.
1083
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:43,087
It's pretty easy to do.
1084
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:46,237
You just apply yourself, read the book,
1085
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,527
take the test, and then
you start getting cases
1086
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:53,137
and we mentor you at first.
1087
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:56,317
You know, we have a
mentorship program that we do
1088
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,737
that kinda gets people up
to square when they first join
1089
00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:01,237
and before you know it,
1090
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,319
you're going out on cases.
1091
00:49:04,402 --> 00:49:09,402
90 to 95 percentage of
cases are prosaic objects
1092
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:11,977
that people misidentified.
1093
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:16,177
But that five to 10
percent that I can't explain,
1094
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:19,747
that's what keeps me going
and keeps me doing this
1095
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:21,097
day in and day out.
1096
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:23,401
I don't foresee a time in my life
1097
00:49:23,484 --> 00:49:25,357
where I won't be doing this.
1098
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,257
I've got the bug.
1099
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:29,557
I love it and you can do it too.
1100
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,356
- And that's kinda the
point of it too is that
1101
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:34,537
MUFON's a safe place
to submit these reports.
1102
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:36,817
You can absolutely do it
anonymously if you want.
1103
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:38,346
You don't have to give
your personal information
1104
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:39,547
if you don't want to.
1105
00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:41,107
You can check the box that says
1106
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:42,575
keep my name out of this.
1107
00:49:42,658 --> 00:49:44,617
Don't contact me.
1108
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:45,876
I'm just giving you this information
1109
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,437
because someone needs it.
1110
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,237
Absolutely free to do that.
1111
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,070
You know the old saying,
1112
00:49:50,153 --> 00:49:51,487
I want to believe.
1113
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:52,320
That's me.
1114
00:49:52,403 --> 00:49:54,997
- I think that's really what
it's all about in the end.
1115
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,567
It seems to be working now because ya know,
1116
00:49:58,650 --> 00:50:02,977
I've got a team working
under me and I've got ya know,
1117
00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:06,402
speaking engagements
and I get to tell people
1118
00:50:06,485 --> 00:50:10,747
about this amazing
phenomena which is like magic
1119
00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:12,397
but real, ya know?
1120
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,807
And I love it.
1121
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:14,890
I love it.
1122
00:50:14,962 --> 00:50:18,214
There's no way I'll ever not be doing this.
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