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- After Dale is arrested,
we're gonna need you to testify

about the meetings between him and you.

- Testify?

I can't testify.

In open court?

- We'll de-register you as informer 3838.

- No, no, no.

- And we'll refer to
you only as witness F.

- They'll figure it out.

When they hear what witness F says,

everyone will know it's me.

- Even if they do, no one's gonna care.

You're turning on a cop.

- I won't testify at the committal.

I'm not doing it.

- I
promise you, on my life,

I am not and would not work

for the jacks, you know that.

- Talk.

- One.

Two.

Three.

- Talk.

- Are you gonna to do it?

- If you make me give evidence,
when people find out it's me

all my cases will come under scrutiny.

Dozens of crims-
- Nicola.

- Carl Williams will go free.

You'll be gone and I'll be
dead, a bullet in my head.

- We'll protect you.

- Yeah, just like you're
protected the Hodson's?

- So are you gonna do it?

- Tony Mokbel was found

hiding out in Greece.

The Victorian police had put
up a million dollar bounty

for information leading to his arrest.

Tony was finally arrested

by the Greek police in Athens in 2007.

In 2008, they put him on a taxpayer funded

Gulf stream jet back to
Melbourne to face the music.

- After an
exhaustive joint operation

by federal and Victorian Police,

despite his attempt to thwart

extradition back to Australia,
Mr. Mokbel is due to appear

before the Melbourne
courts in the coming weeks.

- Hello?

Hello.

- I'd like to say

you get used to this type of thing.

- Detective Reichert.

- Susan, it's Nicola.

- You don't.

- So Dale's committal hearing
is set for early next year

before that we'll need relevant statements

for their hand out brief.

So if we could do that tonight.

- Witness F will be outed, golly gee.

- Yeah, it's possible.

And if that occurs, we think that you

should enter witness protection.

- Look at me.

Have you ever met someone more unsuited?

Wit sec is for people who blend in.

I don't blend in.

No matter where you stash
me, I'll be recognized.

No, I'm staying put.

- Well,

that's your choice.

But I would keep as low
profile as possible.

- How?

Tony Mokbel's back, he wants
me to represent him again.

- You can't.

Tell him you have a conflict of interest.

- A conflict of interest?

You don't say no to Tony Mokbel.

- Well, you better figure out a way.

- There she is.

You look like shit.

- Thanks.

Coming from you, that's...

- What?

- I saw the wiggy war in Greece.

Front page photo, mate.

Did you get a blind
person to buy it for you?

- That was the jacks.

They put it on sideways.

Well, but for a long
time, it was my disguise.

- It was something.

- Did you come here to insult me or what?

- No.

I'm enjoying this.

- Yeah, me too.

Good to see you, Nic.

- I can't represent you anymore, Tony.

- What do you mean?

- Just with

everything.

Cops already think I tipped you off

when you jumped bail and went off ways.

- But you didn't.

And they've got no proof, so fuck them.

- Yeah, but...

Well, there are just too many

conflicts of interest

- What's going on,

Nic?

- Nothing.

- So you think you can just do this,

just

walk away?

- Yeah, I gotta.

I do.

- So you don't to think

I kept records,

tapes

of you and certain people in
compromising fucking positions,

tapes of you fucking

certain people in compromising
positions, Nicola?

- Go on,

try the tapes,

probably get me more work.

- And that
was the last time I saw Tony.

He's been locked away ever since.

After all, he didn't
have me representing him.

Meanwhile, the Hodson
murders remained unsolved.

- Task force Petra will
take over the investigation

into the murders of Terrence
and Christine Hodson.

I, personally will be on
the steering committee.

We will not rest until the
killers are brought to justice.

- So
the police were on my case.

- Miss,

let's get straight into it.

Let's not muck around.

How would you describe your relationship

with Terry and Christine Hodson?

- I advised Terry after
the Oakley burglary.

- Up until his murder?

- Yeah, I had to start
repping him after that.

Look, I liked Terry and Christine.

They were good people.

- Were you aware that Terry
was a police informer?

- Yes.

- Did you have any discussions
with people about that?

- Well, I wouldn't say
I've gone out of my way

to ring people and tell them.

- If someone asked?

- If someone asked I might've
said something maybe.

- To who?

Who did you just speak to?

- I don't know.

I can't remember.

It's not a criminal offense
for me to discuss it.

- I'm just trying to establish who knew

that Terry was informing and how.

- Are you implying something, Detective?

- We believe that a hired
killer did Terry and Christine.

And we're just trying to find
out who hired the shooter,

who had a motive.

- So who knew Terry was a snitch?

- Yes.

- Well, then have you
considered that a division

of your police force misplacing
Terry's informal file

may have tipped a few people?

- Right now, we're more interested

in the company you keep, Ms. Gobbo.

- The company I keep?

- Criminals

- But
I wasn't the only one.

The police kept trying
to pin it on Paul Dale.

I almost felt sorry for him.

- And how is it that you
own a mechanic business

in Wangaratta and a large house on-

- I saved,

that's how.

- If you look at my finances,

I'm sure you already have,

there's nothing dodgy there.

- In 2004, you used a
burner phone registered

under the name Darren Johnson
to contact Nicola Gobbo.

- Did she tell you that?

- Well,

you contacted her over 150 times.

Is that to organize meetings
between you and Carl Williams?

- I never met with Carl Williams,

not like he said.

- Then why so many calls to Ms. Gobbo?

- I used phones purchased under
a false name to contact her

because we were having an affair.

- You were having a sexual
relationship with Ms. Gobbo?

- I wouldn't call it a relationship,

it was more like a one night stand.

And I used a burner phone

because

I didn't want my wife to find out.

- Well, she denies any
sexual relationship with you.

- You believe her?

- Thank you,

detective.

- Go fuck yourself.

- Do you think we're moving too fast?

Dale doesn't look like
he's about to crack.

We only have three witnesses that put

Dale close to the Hodson murders.

- They're all criminals.

And the main one is Carl Williams.

Nicola Gobbo,

she puts Dale close.

She's the key.

- Yeah.

- Hey.

You don't look so good.

- People keep saying that.

At least they're telling the truth of it.

How are you doing in here?

- Prison is a barrel of fun.

I could tell you stories
about the times in here.

You know how much I love a good story

but

I don't much feel like it.

- You're angry at me, Juicy?

- Why would I be angry?

- I was

forced

into it.

The cops made me turn on you.

- Did you send me to prison
so that I'd hate you?

Were you that scared?
- Juicy.

- Why did you tell them about the van?

- I was trying to help you.

- You got me fucking arrested.

- I got you an 18 month sentence.

- I'm not some client you do deals for.

It was me, Nic.

Me.

- Tudge is doing 15 years.

You were gonna get caught.

Get the same as him.

I got you out.

- It was my life!

I make those calls, not you!

Guard, get me out of here.

- Nicola, it has been so long.

- That's my fault.

- No, no, no, don't touch.

Don't touch, please, I'm sick.

Kids, you know what they
should really be called?

Little germ bags.

Thank God, it's such a relief leaving them

with the nanny for a couple of hours.

- How many kids do you have now?

- Three.

You remember that.

- Yeah, of course, I remember.

Just so much going on.

I thought I might've missed one.

- It's nice to see you out of
the house for a change, Nic.

Is everything okay?

- Yeah, great.

- Are you in trouble?

- When haven't I been?

You were right, Emma.

I am addicted to it,

the life.

- Oh, sweetheart.

-
After all these complaints

about me being an informer,
it was sort of ironic

when the chicks came home
to roost for Carl Williams.

- What's the matter?

- Nothing.

- You're looking at me like
I've got a turd on my head.

Do I have a turd on my head?

Do I have a turd on my head?

- No.

No, there's no turd, mate.

- Then what's the matter?

- Rumors, mate.

- What rumors?

- Word is, you talked.

- You know I stick fat.

- Yeah, we know Carl,
but just people have-

- You think after all
this time I'd turn dog?

- You're looking at 35 years.

- Fuck you.

- I'm just saying-

- We've been mates 15 years.

- I know, but it-

- Don't say it again!

- You think the same, matey,
you think I'm talking?

Look, I've been making some shit up,

stringing the jacks
along, getting some perks.

Don't be like every other
brain dead maggot in here

and believe jack rumors.

I chose to be in this unit with you

blokes because we're mates.

You know me,

I'm no dog.

You know that, right?

- Yeah.

- Right, matey?

- Yeah, Carl.

We're all good.

- And you bring me the next
fucking prick who calls me dog.

- For the moment,

Carl convinced them he was staunch.

But right about then his
old mate, Rod Collins

was convicted for two
murders he did 20 years ago.

He killed a crim and his wife.

Cops figured these past
murders put Collins

in the frame for the Hodson's.

- It's the Abby's

and the Hodson's,

both execution style
with collateral damage,

same memo as the Hodson murders.

- What, 'cause there's a bloke and a chic?

It's the only similarities I see.

So the fuck what?

- So the fuck you're in
here for 32 years, Rod.

You're 53.

Do you wanna get out of here alive?

Carl Williams gave us a statement saying

that you did some work for him.

- What kind of work?

- Why don't you tell us?

- I think you mean around the house work,

did some gardening,

washed his windows,

hung his drapes, yeah?

Housework.

- Are you finished, playing around?

- I'm playing around, am I?

How do I really know that you
got a statement from Carl?

- Well, he's in here.

Why don't you talk to him yourself?

If you'd back up his statement,

maybe I can give you a future.

- You want a bit of the
Hodson reward money?

- Well, if your
information is on the mark,

I don't see why you can't split it.

- Split it, huh?

Me and Carl,

halfsies.

I don't think.

I hear the cop you had
for the Hudson murders

has a really good alibi.

Aren't you're worried about that?

Or maybe haven't you
ever thought like I do?

That when someone has a really good alibi

that just, just maybe

they got something to hide.

- So Rod
points the finger at Paul Dale

and the cops took the
psychopath at his word.

- Let's go.

Hello Dale, we're here to arrest you

for the murders of Terry
and Christine Hodson.

- There's no need to handcuff
me, I'm not gonna run.

- Yeah, all right.

- Geez, who do you think I am, Ned Kelly?

- Do you have anything to say, Paul?

- Yes. I'm innocent.

I want to get that bit for once.

I'm being framed.

Print that for once.

It's fine

This is all gonna be over.

Get your hands for once.

Go back inside this.

Fuck.

Fuck.

Mate, you're gonna have to pull over.

I've got to take a leak.

- You will when
we get to Melbourne.

- But that's three hours away.

I'm not joking, mate, I'm bursting.

I'm not gonna be able to
hang onto it that long.

- We're stopping
in Melbourne, mate.

Are you pissing on the floor?

- Yeah.

- You'll be cleaning it
up when we get there.

- You reckon?

- If you plead guilty,
you'll get consideration

and possibly a lighter sentence.

- I'm not pleading guilty to
something that I didn't do.

They got me in solitary confinement,

had me locked up next to
fucking Muslim terrorists.

- Paul.

- Why would I kill the Hodson's

if I had nothing to do
with the Oakley robbery.

It just, it doesn't make sense.

- But we have statements.

- Yeah, but from who?

From fucking Carl Williams.

He's lying.

He's looking at 35 years.

He's just saying whatever you wanna hear.

What deal did you give him
to make that statement?

- Paul.

- Has David Miechel ever
implicated me in the robbery?

He's doing in 15 years.

What would he never mention my name once

when he could have cut a deal?

- I'll tell you why?

Because he knows that I had nothing to do

with the robberies or the murder.

- Nicola Gobbo.

- Nicola, it's Simon.

We're close to moving forward

and with all that's going on,

we think it's best if you would

reconsider witness protection.

Your safety is our primary concern.

- Simon.

- Nicola.

- I've told you.

- Our assessment is word's
out you're talking to us.

You're now at extreme risk.

- If I go into witness protection.

- Don't sit dog.

- If I go into wit sec,
everyone will know.

No witness, if it's me.

My only way-
- Nicola.

- My only way is to stay in the open,

hide in plain sight.

- Nicola.
- My only shot.

Plausible deniability.

You know what that is, don't you, Simon?

- Hey, dog.

- Amongst it all,

Juicy had served his time.

It was really good to see him.

I mean that.

- What do you wanna say to me?

- Just

after next week, I might
be going away for a while

and

I wanted to apologize.

Make amends.

Bloody steps without being in bloody AA.

They pushed me around,

cops, crims, everyone.

- Nic, no one pushed you around.

You might think I don't, but I know you.

You love making things happen.

Being at the center was always about you.

What I don't understand,

why didn't you give us a chance?

- I like to surround
myself with terrible men,

you know that.
- Give me an answer.

- Did you ever really
think we'd up together?

You settling down, with a dog,

a white fence

and

yoga classes?

- Not with a dog.

- It's not me.

It's not you either.

It's the three daughters with three women.

- You got my number.

We should grab a meal sometime.

- I'd like that, Kevin.

- I was too
scared to fight them anymore.

So I finally agreed to
accept police protection.

But I didn't settle too well.

I was moved more than a dozen times,

38 flights in 10 months

$76,000 in hotel rooms

$43,000 in allowances.

Until finally,

they settled me in Bali.

For 24 hours a day, my
police protection watched me

smash cocktails at the bar.

- You know who you remind me of?

What's his name from the Muppets?

Beaker.

That's it.

Look it up.

I'm not lying.

You know what I'm gonna
do when all this is over,

when I'm rid of you lot.

I'm gonna to open up a juice bar.

No more grog.

No more laughing.

- Nicola, someone here to see you.

- A visitor.

I'm gonna need my car seat.

Hello, Chikka.

- I'll need to speak with her alone.

Hey.

- Hello.

- I was talking to someone in Melbourne.

- Yeah.

- He told me some things.

He said they're gonna
present you as a witness

at Paul Dale's murder committal.

- That's the plan.

- He said you've been informing

against your own clients, is that true?

- Don't look so shocked.

I crossed that line a long time ago.

You know me, I'm an all or nothing girl.

- Who knows about this?

That you've been informing
against your own clients.

- My handlers.

Simon Overland,

a few others.

That's it.

- Chikka.

- Susan.

Commissioner Overland,
congratulations on your promotion.

- Thank you.

I heard

you spoke to Nicola Gobbo.

- Yeah.

- What did she say?

- How can you use Gobbo as a witness,

as an informer in her own case.

She was their lawyer.

- Well, she was never representing them.

She was one of them.

- A lawyer can't snitch
against her clients,

that's as basic as it gets.

Every time we register an
informer, there's a source test.

Will their evidence withstand scrutiny?

Would using it be ethical?

Gobbo doesn't satisfy any of that.

- You want me to use the
greater good argument

or the desperate times,
desperate measures argument.

- Don't patronize me.

- I'm not.

But you must understand that Nicola Gobbo

is the glittering prize.

The insider we've been wanting for years.

- She can bring Dale to trial

and she insists that
she wasn't his lawyer.

- It doesn't matter what Nicola insists.

If Dale thought she was
his lawyer then she was.

You studied law, you know that.

If her testimony is allowed,
it will set a precedent

that Victoria will be stuck with forever.

You think a judge is gonna overlook

200 years of legal privilege?

- her testimony

will withstand scrutiny and
a judge will see it our way.

Yes, and accept it.
- Oh come on.

- There was a problem.

And I put methods in place to fix it.

And it has been fixed.

- What you're doing goes against

the code of every police-

- They're killing in front of kids.

Killing innocent wives, crims have no -

- We're the fucking police,

we're supposed to be better than them.

And if her informer status comes out,

all the convictions in her
cases will be thrown out.

Can you say

Royal Commission?

- Are you threatening me?

- No, I'm telling you straight up.

- I think you've made your point, Chikka.

- Get Gobbo back to Melbourne.

Bring her back now.

- Former drug
squad detective Paul Dale

has been released on
bail ahead of his trial

for the murder of police
informer, Terrence Hodson.

We go live now to the gates

of Barwon prison for this special report.

- How does it feel

to finally get released on bail?

- How do you think it feels?

They kept me in there for seven months.

- What do you plan to do now?

- Prove I'm innocent.

You'll see.

- Do you have any
last words for Victoria Police?

- I would just like to say
Victoria Police lost its way.

When it walked into Barwon
Prison with an open checkbook

and accepted the ravings of
a criminal who is prepared

to say anything for a reduced sentence.

Excuse me.

- So Carl Williams is lying.

- Yeah.

Mate, yes, he's lying.

He made everything up

and I'll prove that at
my committal hearing.

- Don't tell me to calm down.

- Nicola.

- Dale's out.

Why'd you let him out?

- The judge decided
that after seven months,

bail was a suitable option.

- Fuck me, I'm gonna have another stroke.

- Well, don't do that.

You testify on Monday.

- Get out.

Get the fuck out of my house.

I'll look after myself.

- Yes, of course,

I was scared of testifying.

Luckily, I didn't have to.

- Commissioner, you got a minute.

What's she done?

- They say it's
stress-related, I wonder why.

- I'm glad to see you're
feeling better now.

- This looks better?

Simon, I think I'm having
a nervous breakdown.

- You're not having a nervous breakdown.

- And I've been doing some thinking,

I can't work as a lawyer anymore.

It's gone, I'm finished.

So I've been thinking
I need some recompense.

- Recompense?

- $20 million.

That should last the rest of my life.

- That's not...

There's no way.

- It's what I want.

20 million.

- So the
committal hearing was delayed

while the police figured out what to do.

But no one could have
expected what happened next.

♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪

♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪

♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪

- You'll make it the wrong place.

♪ Well, come on ♪

- What you doing, matey?

- I'm just airing it out.

♪ The devil, my conscience and I ♪

♪ Had a discussion about you ♪

♪ My conscience convinced me last night ♪

♪ To turn around and come back to you ♪

♪ The devil said ♪

♪ hey, how do you stick to one girl ♪

♪ Because I love her ♪

- Something terrible has happened.

Carl's dead.

- Carl hit his head.

♪ But there's many other
girls in this whole world ♪

- How
does the highest profile

prisoner in Victoria get murdered

in the state's most secure facility?

Well,

let's just say it took almost 30 minutes

for the guards to respond.

No one ever did time
because of Carl Williams.

Mokbel once dubbed Carl

the truth,

smart ass.

So the committal into Paul Dale

and the killing of the
Hodson's was never held.

Paul got his life back.

As for me,

I had one last thing to do,

lawyer up.

- So we are agreed,

$2.9 million as compensation
for loss of future income.

- I was assured that I'd be compensated

for helping Victorian Police,
and be left no worse off.

$2.9 million is a bargain.

- We've all heard your arguments,

Ms. Gobbo and accepted the sum.

There's no need for more grandstanding.

It's in the best interest
of everyone in this room

that the amount paid and your role

as a police informer is never revealed.

Overriding any personal grievances,

the most important concern for all of us

must be that the public
doesn't lose confidence

in our police force or
in our judicial system.

So would anyone like to
add anything to the record?

- Yes, I wish to add something.

When we realized that,
Ms. Gobbo must be called

as a witness, Victoria Police immediately

stopped using her as an informer.

I want that on the record.

- So noted.

- And I want it noted,
the Victoria Police broke

no laws in using Ms. Gobbo as a source.

The first duty of any officer

is to preserve life and property

that is instilled in us at
the outset of our careers.

I was trying to clean up
the streets of Melbourne.

That was the right thing to do.

It was my job.

And I did it.

And if I may add, no
matter what anyone says,

I was on the side of the angels.

- And if I may add for the record,

everything I did was done
out of my sense of duty

to serve justice and not help criminals.

I was motivated by altruism
rather than personal gain.

Anything told to me about
crimes being planned

or committed cannot ever fall under

the protection of legal privilege.

That is just thieves, murderers

and drug dealers complaining.

386 people were arrested because
of information I provided.

And $60 million in assets was recovered

by the state of Victoria.

I too was on the side of the angels.

- Do you think that,

that they're both on
the side of the angels?

- It doesn't matter what I think

you've clearly made up your mind.

- Why do you think she did it?

- I think Nicola liked being in control

and it blew up in her face.

- If this comes out,

informer 3838,

their own lawyer working against them.

Can you imagine the shit-storm?

Crims would be jumping up
and down to be set free.

- This will never come out.