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so
munich
march 2012
in the district of schwabing the
apartment of an eight-year-old recluse
called cornelius girl it is about to be
raided
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[Applause]
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little did people know that what would
be found there would open up a pandora's
box involving nazi loot
degenerate art and hitler's own private
museum
cornelius garlit is not a name that
would be familiar to many people until
this year and someone that lived as a
recluse in munich in a very
modest flat
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he's a bit of an enigma he was a loner
but we don't really know much about him
well he was a very interesting man it
wouldn't be surprising if he had a
slightly uh slightly strange upbringing
and some effect from that
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he wasn't seen much out and about and
was someone who hasn't even watched
television since 1963 he's really lived
completely a solitary life
as the investigators poured through the
collection of this solitary man they
uncovered over a thousand works by the
likes of matisse picasso chagall and
otto dix some of which were previously
unknown
there are things we think where did that
come from you know where has that been
for the last 60 years which is you know
exactly what can you this girl that
wanted it's uh
has lived a rather pathetic lonely life
with all these pictures i wonder if it's
uh if it's all true
when the story was broken by focus
magazine it captured the world's
attention
who was cornelius girlett how had he
stayed undetected for so long and just
where did all of these artworks come
from
the answer to all of these questions
begins in the town of zvikao in eastern
germany in 1930.
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was the hometown of cornelius girl it's
father hildebrand gurlit
he came from a well-known artistic
family and worked in the galleries at
the koenig albert museum
hildebrand gullit was
an art historian a good artist or an and
dealer and he worked for various german
museums he was known as being someone
who
had close links with the avant-garde art
world in germany um with a lot of the
modern expressionist painters of the day
the first exhibition he put on was max
peckstein which was
you know quite alternative at that time
um and he did worked with artists like
katy korvitz a lot of the expressionists
um so he was seen as really quite
radical and i think you know a lot of
people enjoyed the exhibitions but the
kind of local traditionalists
saw him as yeah this kind of
radical young guy who'd come in and
really shaken things up and think out
but with the nazis coming to power in
1933 and hitler's hatred of the modern
art movement hildebrand found himself
out of a job in svicao and forced by the
nazis to resign a new position he'd
found in hamburg soon after
hildebrand was not welcome in this new
cultural era of germany
modern art was declared an enemy of the
state and culminated in the antartica
kunst or so-called degenerate art
exhibition of 1937.
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the nazis
really felt very concerned about modern
art the avant-garde in germany at that
time
and it's testament to how powerful that
art is it was a genuine worry for them
and they really wanted to outlaw it and
ban it and also use it i think their own
propaganda is if you're against our
regime you'll end up like these people
you'll be mad you'll be completely
against the norm basically
when hitler in order to try and
focus
the german nation's psyche on its future
and its purity and its superiority
and he wanted to
connect the german nation in his
definition the best forms of art he
ordered a exhibition to be held of all
this degenerate art
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so they mounted actually two exhibitions
at the same time there was one of german
art really for the last 2000 years
then at the same time down the road in
munich there was the antarctic
exhibition
which actually had more visitors than
the other one unsurprisingly
there was a huge exhibition held in
munich in 1937
with paintings which they despised
presented with slogans against modern
art that which were written on the walls
and this exhibition attracted two
million visitors in munich which is an
amazing number and it then went on to
tour
other german cities
but it is most unusual to hold an
exhibition of art that you despise
i think a lot of
the journalists at that time who had
been
closely linked to
avant-garde circles found it really hard
because they were under pressure to
write very scornful and scathing
reports about the exhibition saying how
how horrendous all this work was can you
imagine you know if somebody put on a
show sort of accepted british art now
and then you're not allowed to see of
course you go to the one you're not
allowed to see i mean the kind of
hideous art
there were many people who went see it
and many were horrified by it
it was
absolute chaos in there everything was
hung stacked up on the walls paintings
were lopsided
things were propped against the wall
some were unframed some were framed and
they had graffiti explaining why each
work was degenerate so even if you
couldn't figure it out for yourself you
were told whereas in the other
exhibition it was all very classical
monumental
nudes uh representing
classicism and
longevity all the things that hitler
wanted to build into his aryan race four
times as many people went to the
generous art show it was the uh
as a corsair show and um
you know maybe hitler was a secret
modernist who knows i mean certainly he
exposed more germans to modern art and i
would never have seen it if he hadn't
put that show on
the antartica kunst exhibition was
organized by the ministry of public
enlightenment and propaganda headed by
joseph goebbels
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enter
and some of them went to look at it
because they thought they'll never see
it again
they'd already been the book burnings
earlier that year with ed burnt works by
many many modern writers
so really there was a maybe a death
knell to those avant-garde artists and
their work so a lot of people who were
sympathized went
um at the same time as a lot of people
going just to have a kind of scoff and
laugh at it
there were several reasons why the nazis
despised so-called degenerate art
hitler himself personally was very very
conventional in his artistic taste and
disliked modern art some of the artists
who made the modern art like chagall for
example were jewish and
the nazis obviously despise them for
that reason and there was also a very
strong streak of
conventionality in nazi thought they
espoused old-fashioned traditional
values and modern arts seem to just run
counter to that
the era of degenerate art may have ended
hildebrand girl its promising early
career but he had even more pressing
concerns
he did have kind of jewish blood in him
which would have made him
slightly vulnerable to the nazis he was
what they called a second
second level michelin wasn't he so i
mean he was a quarter jewish it was
probably better to play along
hildebrand's heritage and his love of
modernism would have seemingly ended any
chance of a career in the art business
but amazingly he was hired by the nazis
to work as a dealer on behalf of the
state
when the nazis were getting rid of
degenerate art he was singled out as one
of a handful of major dealers who were
entrusted with the task of selling off
the art so that's where he got quite a
lot of his pictures and he was quite
interested in modern art he was able to
ingratiate himself with the nazis
because of his understanding of the
whole of the jewish and other collectors
of
of that current generation of art and
become one of the main individuals who
helped them lose heart around europe he
went on to work with the nazis
as one of four dealers who were charged
with basically making some money out of
the modernist or degenerate artists they
saw it i think there's a quote that says
something like we've got to make some
money out of this rubbish they just
wanted to get it out of germany and sell
it off
um and get foreign currency in as well
he would argue that he'd saved some of
the art by
selling it off to foreign collectors
rather than allowing the nazis to
destroy it hildebrand had a talent for
gaining access to artworks and he was
soon buying pieces directly from those
who had to sell as they were being
persecuted or were forced to flee the
country
this is my offer for all nine of the
drawings
it is a fair offer i believe
good
good
i'll arrange collection handle the
details
it's very difficult to get inside the
minds of people and uh um it was a very
difficult period and people did things
that we would now regard as wrong in
many cases
the art will be safe at least
this is the art that you're saving
yes of course
they've already dismissed me from my
gallery
if they think i'm offering generous
terms i
i have a family
i'm a quarter jewish
one doesn't know precisely why he dealt
with the nazis but the most obvious
reason is that it was a way of making
money this was a very comfortable
easy life that got him out of all the
problems of the rest of the war
and the money must have been extremely
good at a time when unless you're in the
armaments business it was very difficult
to make any money i'll send them i'll
send my man for the paintings this
afternoon
doctor
hildebrand gurlett would soon become one
of the biggest dealers on behalf of the
nazis
the choice he had made would take him to
paris where his mission was to acquire
works for the fuhrer's own personal
collection from nazi occupied france
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the 2012 munich artworks discovery had
thrown light on the life and career of
the man who had acquired the collection
one hildebrand girl it
he had started out as a respected museum
director but with the nazis coming to
power he became a key part of the
commission for the exploitation of
degenerate art
works were bought directly from those
being persecuted and was seized for the
antartica kunst exhibition
hildebrand was able to build up his own
collection as he worked to sell these
so-called degenerate art pieces abroad
from where they were stored in the
schonhausen palace near berlin
in the process he was able to hoard many
works for himself
this is how a number of paintings by the
german artist otto dix who featured
heavily in the degenerate art exhibition
wound up in cornelius girlitt's
apartment in munich
autodex was heavily featured obviously
his work is quite shocking visually very
caricatured people saw it as really
horrifying couldn't understand why he
would choose to represent the human
figure and face in that way during the
first world war dix was very shocked by
what he saw and a lot of his pictures
show the savagery of the fighting and
the nazis despised his paintings as
degenerate and he was categorized as
such another artist that was
interestingly very vilified was emily
lonaldo who actually had been a member
of the nazi party and a real sympathizer
from quite early on but he was the
artist that had the most works of any of
them had 27 works featured
in the exhibition and he was the one
that had said you know i am a nazi
sympathiser i stand up for what you
believe in
and there's a very sad story about him
he's very elderly going to after the
exhibition going to the authorities and
saying i'm a sympathizer please can you
release my work and they refused
and a very important crucifixion work
which they wouldn't give him back
despite his allegiance to the party
the label degenerate even applied to
music with an antartica music exhibition
also being staged
it was a bizarre and terrifying time for
anyone working in the arts in germany
and hildebrand girl it was caught right
up in the middle of it
i think we all want to see the kind of
nazi epoch in terms of black and white
and i think a lot of people were both
black and white and certainly before the
war he was incredibly white he was
passionate about modernism
and then the next thing you know he's in
paris
expropriating
art from poor rosenberg and and the
rothschilds and you know doing doing
other kind of dreadful things
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it was in paris that hildebrand took
full advantage of his new position of
power
the antartide kunst exhibition had made
some of the best modern expressionist
paintings available but with the nazis
having taken control of france some of
the greatest art of the era was within
reach
paris has always been an important
center of the art market particularly in
the 20th century so it's no surprise
that a german dealer would have very
good in close contacts with paris and
spend time there the best art of all
belonged to paul rosenberg he'd managed
to escape just in time but the same
could not be said for his whole
collection he's an incredibly important
dealer and came from a family of dealers
so he really had it in his lineage
and he was most famously picasso's
dealer from 1918 to 1940. he and picasso
were like sort of family weren't they
they um they lived next door to each
other and they spent holidays together
and it was you know
um it was a love thing
he was also a dealer for matisse from
1936 so he really had the big names and
his gallery was on reliability and it
was really known as the kind of hub in
paris of these modern artists that were
breaking the mold you could find them
all there with paul rosenberg resmeg was
one of the most important dealers
particularly
in
modernist works the post-impressionist
early 20th century works he was
among the most important dealers for
that period well he was kind of mr
cubism really wasn't he he and his
brother leons were the big
sellers of mid-period cubism
and they internationalized it and they
um you know they opened a gallery in
london a gallery in new york and they
sold museum modern art and
were you know had massive collections
and were massively rich
when things became more tense in europe
he started to get nervous and did ship
off a lot of his collection which was
very very extensive so it was went to
south america australia and also to
london and new orleans galleries but
unfortunately he didn't get everything
out and in 1940 he fled to new york
managed to get a visa got his family out
very quickly but there were i think over
2 000 works left
paul rosenberg's confiscated collection
along with all other art labeled
degenerate in france was stored at the
jodopom gallery in paris
hildebrand gurlett was then able to
purchase these works at knockdown prices
at the nearby druo auction house
many sales were made at the druo auction
house and that continued during the
second world war
and it was a place to trade in the work
of the impressionists in post
impressionist
between 1941 and 1945 while gurlitt was
living and working in paris he was able
to add top quality paintings to his
already impressive collection
but as the tide of the war turned
against germany he needed to find a way
to keep them for himself
as chaos reigned towards the end of the
war from about the early
1944 period when it was clear that the
war was lost and the russians were
approaching there were a lot of people
who spent most of their time thinking
about how they're going to survive at
the end of war and for somebody like him
in a very privileged position to move
art to secret locations where he could
say he was trying to sell it for the
nazis but actually he was keeping it for
himself at the end of the war
having noted the warning signs
hildebrand girl it moved swiftly and
managed to relocate much of his art
collection away from his home in dresden
they were kept on a farm outside dresden
and then they were in some sort of
nameless castle in some nameless town in
nameless southern germany
it doesn't seem to be a collection that
was put together with love you know it
seems a kind of expedient collection it
looks like the kind of collection that
was designed to be sold quietly not
raised too many eyebrows
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it was fortunate that hildebrand was
able to get the works away from the city
of dresden given what was about to
happen
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with the allies approaching the
firebombing of dresden provided him with
an ideal cover story
we had a home in dresden um and actually
his street was bombed so i think hillary
saw it as a very obvious and clear
solution to their horde i think they
just said you know our street was bombed
all the records have gone all the arts
gone we don't have anything we have no
letters we've got nothing and it made
complete sense because it was actually
bombed and no one knew that i think
hildebrand had actually taken
the art out and very very last minute
when the allies were approaching so
there was no reason really why it
wouldn't be true that it was bombed
hildebrand girlitt had another secret
though he had been hard to find works of
art for hitler himself and in the
process had greatly expanded his own
collection his pretence that it had all
been destroyed in dresden was successful
for over half a century the horde was
considered lost to the world and it
would have remained so had his son
cornelius not tried to sell one of his
paintings just a couple of years ago a
sale that would see the net begin to
close in on this 60 year old crime
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the fire bombing of dresden could have
wiped out most of the artworks found in
cornelius gurlitz munich apartment in
two thousand and twelve
but his father hildebrand girlitt had
been smart enough to transport his
collection of over a thousand works away
from the city
when world war ii came to an end
hildebrand had managed to get away with
storing these artworks in a secret
location thought to be on the outskirts
of dresden
he was able to return to his pre-war
career in the art market but died
suddenly in a car crash in 1956
his son cornelius then succeeded in
moving the cache of works into the
schwabbing apartment in 1960
they remained here for over 50 years
where every night cornelius would take
the paintings out of storage to admire
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them well it does seem that he just
inherited the pictures the sun enjoyed
them um privately and would look at them
and saw no reason why he should sell
them or do anything with them so
the status quo continued and he just
took over his father's picture
collection anybody who is the son of
somebody with as extraordinary career as
his father
and the constant moves and
times that his father was under
suspicion and worked for both the nazis
and the allies he must have known that
his father had been playing both sides
of the street
and that may well i think have set up
various
tensions within him
cornelius had remained hidden from
society for all this time
but with no state health insurance in
his old age he was forced to enter the
art market himself and sell one of his
paintings for much needed funds
spending so much time alone cornelius
was known to write what he intended to
say on cue cards when faced with a
conversation
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afternoon
this is the painting that i wish to sell
good afternoon
this is the painting that i wish to sell
columbia scarlet decided to part with
this important work by max beckmann the
lion tamer because he was getting
increasingly ill and i think really out
of desperation he just decided to sell
one
by an auction house in cologne
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the auction house centre representative
is they do to come and do evaluation and
she came in
expecting i'm not sure what into a very
gloomy dark flat
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mr gurlitt i'm ms balman from the
auction house we spoke on the phone
yes
come in
she had no uh inkling of what else was
hiding in that flat
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how did you come by it
was it in your family
my mother's
you don't have any more then
no this is the only one
this is the painting that i wish to sell
well when it was taken to the german
auction house lempats
uh it was
very clearly in the provenance
his father's name was up in lights and
his father's name
is on our red flag list any picture we
see anywhere in the world with his name
we
undertake extensive research
so it would have been immediately
obvious to memphis
that this picture was claimed by
the family
of the victims of the original
persecution
and so the normal thing then is to
contact the family and to say to them
this picture is coming up for sale and
there is a deal that could be done
whereby you should get some of the
proceeds
whether they knew at the time the exact
circumstances under which he'd held it
is probably doubtful they probably
thought he got it in
possibly good faith that's highly
debatable now i think he made an
arrangement
with the heirs of the pre-war owner so
they agreed to split
the proceeds and it just went on the
market as a normal picture and wasn't
particularly closely examined i would
like to know what was in the collection
in 1956
um before hildebrand died and how much
of that has been sold off quietly in the
intervening years
but by selling the land tamer cornelius
had started the process that would lead
to his eventual downfall
he was merely following the example of
his father hildebrand though who had
been expected to generate funds by
selling modern paintings
but he also had another major role to
purchase or otherwise acquire works for
the fuhrer himself
hitler had grand plans for his own
purpose-built fuhrer museum in his
hometown of linz and he needed the
greatest works in history to fill it
his desire to make a mark in the art
world had started from a very young age
when he first moved to vienna in 1905
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he was young hitler wanted to become an
artist and he applied uh to study at the
academy of fine arts in vienna and was
turned down
twice he was rejected stayed out without
even interviews so he really got a slap
in the face from that
he felt
rejected
at a crucial point in his career i think
that made him dislike the art
establishment and by this time the art
establishment had been seen as
supporting the development of modern and
20th century art he does believe that
there is a kind of cons a world
conspiracy not specifically against him
but about people against people like him
people with his kind of taste and it's
these nasty
interchangeable sort of
deranged jewish bolshevik
folk who like that kind of painting
vienna at the start of the early 20th
century was the home of a bustling new
artistic community that hitler simply
did not fit into
in vienna there was no doubt there was a
very libertarian rather degenerate
feeling to the city
and it's quite clear that in vienna at
the time the austro-hungarian empire was
was was falling to bits i think it's
it's what had happened in paris sort of
25 years before was you had a kind of
imperial heavy hand um suddenly
um in the case of the french was lifted
by napoleon's third being got rid of in
in vienna it was just you know poor old
francios have been there for 50 years by
that time and i think also it was the
city of sigmund freud because one thing
all of these things have in common is is
kind of psychic introspection
um and a kind of an idea of the
possibility of madness um and that of
course went down like a cup of cold sick
with the nazis they didn't like that's
everything at all
i think in vienna was what was
incredible as a real
mix of all the different arts as it were
so there was the birth of atonal music
happened in vienna you had a new
psychological study from freud you had
artists like klimt and then the next
generation
following him showing an emotional
response to art that was about the
internal rather than the external so it
was coming from all directions it was
music it was theater it was literature
it was art it was a real sort of hotbed
for this new avant-garde and new way of
seeing and thinking there was some great
work done in mathematics and science
there was some great work done in
psychology but you can see a lot of
people would have felt that that was all
pretty strange and a bit unsettling
and there was some in many ways great
art but what would be to them and even
now rather shocking in some ways
it was very exciting the early 20th
century in vienna i mean culturally
there were a lot of avant-garde artists
who were really pushing the boundaries
in vienna at the time when hitler was
living there in the early 20th century
there was quite a conflict between
the avant-garde and the traditional art
which was the art that hitler espoused
hitler's traditional style which
included watercolors and drab sketches
of the sites of vienna we're not going
to cut it in this new modern art scene
but his enormous political success
allowed hitler to finally fulfill his
artistic ambitions with the construction
of the fuhrer museum in his country of
birth austria
the fuhrer museum was going to be in
austria and lintz which was the home
town of hitler and he really wanted to
construct this enormous pantheon of the
culture of the new rice it would be an
art museum but not only that a library
opera house theater everything to do
with his new imposed culture would be
here in this enormous great symbol of
his power
he's not the only man he's not the only
megalomaniac man
who has seen at a museum is maybe the
best way to have your
your name set for posterity
as ambitious as the fuhrer museum was on
its own it was actually only a part of
the grand restructuring of the entire
city of lintz
really quite early on in 1936 he had
already spoken to his head architects at
that time
it was going to be 500 feet long you
know albert sphere lots and lots and
lots of columns perry styles um all the
usual nazi claptrap
he poured over the plans poured over
what works he wanted to get and then he
went on a really a rampage across the
countries that they're invading
taking works from jewish families from
museums a lot of religious art was taken
from churches even in germany
and
stored them at that time ready for the
furore museums and it was a kind of
degree of thought that went into it
because it was
you know it was going to be the central
museum of the reich
it was going to have a collection that
effectively showed the whole course of
art history leading to germany every
single masterpiece from
right across time would be housed here
in that museum and people were going to
come from all over the reich to lintz to
see it so there was also the adolf
hitler hotel as part of the complex
because of course they would have to
have somewhere to stay when they got
there
one of the people entrusted with
acquiring works for this audacious
museum was hildebrand girlitt
during his time in paris gurlitt was a
big time buyer who acquired major works
he even spent five million francs on a
suzanne landscape painting of the valley
de lac which later proved to be a fake
but he wasn't alone in trying to acquire
works for hitler
dr hans posse a close confidant of the
fuhrer was tasked with seizing the most
challenging paintings to obtain
including works by johannes vermeer
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hitler's taste ran mostly to german and
austrian romantic 19th century art so he
i imagine there would have been lots of
um casper david friedrich and that sort
of stuff but the [ __ ] trap he was buying
for him was was a great expert in in
netherlandish and flemish art so i mean
there was you know there were two
vermeers for example and there were
going to be lots and lots of the old
michelangelo you know big stuff if
you're going to find a museum
you've got to have if it's going to be
the great pictures of the world
some of the great dutch and italian
masters
there were two masterpieces by vermeer
which were destined for the fuhrer
museum
one of which was bought and one of which
was stolen now the bought one was called
the artist studio very very important
work by vermeer
and
hitler actually bought that directly
from count gernan himself for quite a
lot of money but his descendants are now
contesting it's still a case that's
that's going on as we speak
the other was stolen from the rothschild
family as part of the [ __ ] taken from
them
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the fuhrer museum along with other grand
schemes for the reconstruction of lintz
never got past the design stage
but many artworks had already been
acquired ready to be moved in
they had been stored in munich but with
the threat of bombing the hall was moved
for safe keeping to a salt mine in the
austrian region of altasey
they were boxed up
sent there and no one really knew much
else about it
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when the war in europe came to an end
the allies managed to track down the
salt mine in alta sea
inside they were able to recover both
the astronomer and the artist studio
they also managed to reclaim a stolen
bust by michelangelo and the priceless
ghent altarpiece all of which were taken
in preparation for the fuhrer museum the
kent older piece was a um a seminal work
i think that's the right expression
by the van nuys
and
it set a a tone and a procedure for
things that makes it historically
enormously important but i think perhaps
the most valuable painting taken during
the war were those various vermeers that
were stolen individually
even for hitler
getting hold of vermeers and pictures of
that quality not easy i mean it's just
really very fortunate that those were
not destroyed i mean there were quite a
lot of very good pictures which were
pretty certain were destroyed
uh ie there's records of where they were
and it's known that that place was
bombed or damaged or flooded or whatever
and the pictures were destroyed
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just as hitler's secret horde had been
recovered at the end of the war time was
running out for cornelius girl it's
stash in his munich apartment
and a trip to switzerland would prove to
be his final undoing
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until 2010 cornelius gerlet's remarkable
cache of over 1400 artworks was still
unknown to the world
he had managed to successfully sell the
lion tamer painting by max beckman for
quick funds
but his luck started to run out when he
was stopped at a customs point on a
train from switzerland
well garlic was on a train and uh from
zurich uh to munich and uh he was
stopped by
german customs officials who were just
doing we believe just doing routine
checks and he was found to have a
substantial amount of cash with him
he had had on him
9 000 euros which is just under the
limit of what you have to declare coming
out of switzerland this was a trade from
zurich to munich and then they looked
for his identity papers and certainly
other and he appeared to be a rather
strange individual hence the germans
then raided his flat
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he had no tax and references
no health insurance he's someone who's
been completely off the radar of the
german authorities
so they were quite surprised to find him
with this huge loot
i mean i think they thought why is this
old man carrying 9 000 euros from
switzerland as i say it's an entirely
legal thing to do but i suppose it
raised questions i must have flagged him
up on some
horrible tax database somewhere
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i would not be at all surprised
if in fact his name was on the list
of those individuals who had german
germans with bank accounts
in switzerland
there have been some whistleblowers
in the swiss banks who gave these
lists of names to the american and
german intelligence services so i wonder
whether in fact they hadn't spotted him
as it were from under those lists
when will you bring them back
finding 1400 works of art in germany is
just the start of the treasure hunt the
cramped london officers of the art lost
register have been besieged
ever since german prosecutors announced
the discovery of works by masters such
as mark chagall henry matisse and pablo
picasso the race is now on to find the
rightful owners
what is unusual is the sheer size of the
collection um 1400
pictures and drawings ranging from works
on paper right through to oil paintings
it's got a lot of the german
expressionists in there people like emil
knowles max peck stein
right through to picassos matisses and
so it's really
quite broad and it's said to be a value
over a billion euros
it's slightly unfortunate the whole
thing was kept very quiet for about a
year or so and it only emerged later
when a german magazine discovered what
had happened and published a story that
it came out and i say it's important to
come out but if there are claimants for
the pictures
it's important that they're all
recorded
publicly so we know what's out there
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at least one of the works found in the
munich apartment a matisse painting of a
seated woman is thought to have belonged
to paul rosenberg
there's been a lot of criticism on the
case that there haven't been so a very
detailed inventory released which is
against the
established policy of how you should
deal with stolen art and the family of
paul rosenberg
are already questioning whether this is
their seated woman
the recovery process of paul rosenberg's
stolen paintings has been long and
arduous it started right at the end of
world war ii with rosenberg's son
lieutenant rosenberg
was the son of paul rosenberg who was
the parisian dealer who went fled to new
york uh at the start of the war
who had been the um the dealer for all
these great matisse and picasso and
people like that and he found some of
his father's pictures and as well of all
the other things
that's fascinating i mean there's still
70 picassos missing out there in the
world um from the war
and lots of paul rosenberg's collection
still unaccounted for
but that's a separate part of history
because then paul rosenberg's
granddaughter
is anne sinclair she's a wonderful lady
and she's pursuing the pictures in her
own way through the courts
and is is actively involved in that at
the moment so you can see this evolution
of how the stolen art
um
is is recovered if it belongs to ann
sinclair and her family the descendants
of paul rosenberg and i i think they
have every right to make her claim for
it
however just six months after his story
was revealed to the world cornelius
gurlitt passed away following ill health
after heart surgery
during that time it was discovered that
he held even further paintings in two
properties he owned in austria
these included works by renoir
and monet
in a surprising twist though the burn
museum of fine arts revealed that they'd
been named the sole heir of cornelius
girlitt's collection despite him having
had no connection to the institution
during his lifetime
but the restitution process of many of
the works in the collection could
continue for a long time
it's extremely
complex working with restitution tracing
back
and uh trying to figure out who actually
owns these paintings and in what
circumstances they went from the family
or owner pre-war and into the hands of
hildebrand girls
so it's going to be a lot of research
very detailed and who knows how long
it's going to take and and actually if
we'll ever know the full history and
provenance of every single work well i
think one of the lessons of this is that
the art trade has to be more open and
people buying at auction have to ask
more questions about the works this is
happening more now and there's been
increasing focus in the last 10 years on
provenance
but i think the girlick case shows the
importance of monitoring it carefully
and people asking questions
by and large the rule of thumb
so far is right and wrong is concerned
if the nazis have had anything to do
with any art deal between
the mid-30s and 1946
they must always lose
it's a it's a principle it's not a
anybody's law or anything like that it's
just a kind of modern principle which i
agree with so could there be any more
cornelius girlitts out there with hidden
masterpieces just waiting to be found to
get well into the 21st century and for
these things still to be coming up it is
quite a
you know quite an eye-opener i don't
think they're going to be everywhere i
think it's probably a very rare case
there's quite a lot of people who've got
the odd work or two but but something of
this scale has not emerged in many many
years i think it's unlikely there are
many people who've got something of that
size stashed away secretly
i think this is a real one-off and the
fact that he was such a reclusive
character made this possible but it's
certainly not going to be something that
happens every day it will probably take
years to sort out the pictures and what
category they fall into and whether any
were looted and the whole saga will take
a long time to resolve
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