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- Tonight, it's part three

of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion."

I want to talk about the leather pants.

[upbeat music]

Who would trust Kathy to do dental work?

- Oh, hell no. - [laughs]

- My heart broke when you shared

your dad's experience with racism.

Why do you think you never spoke about it before?

We're gonna put you on a skewer,

and I'm gonna fire up the barbecue.

- And I'm so ----ing ready for you.

- It lands differently

when there are air crash victims.

- It does. It does. - Seems tone deaf.

- You know, I've been reading you're upset with me.

- To watch the four of you mock my life really hurt me.

- We don't always do what everybody thinks we should do.

- You also don't know what I have done or what I will do.

- What will you do?

- You'll just have to wait and see, won't you?

[dramatic music]

[tense music]

- How many episodes of "American Woman"

did you wind up watching?

- You know, I watched a trailer.

I don't watch TV much.

- Given what an issue it was--

When was the last time you spoke?

- Six months ago.

- This is all over the show.

- Yeah.

- Do you think maybe if you had watched it

that maybe would have put that to bed a little bit?

- No, because I don't even talk to my mother's friends.

The fact that she's not here anymore--

it's just very hard for me.

- Oh.

- [sobs]

- It's too hard for her. It's too hard.

- [sobs]

It's okay. It's okay.

Okay. - Okay.

- Kyle, knowing what a wedge "American Woman" caused,

do you regret doing it? - I actually don't

because I know I didn't do anything wrong.

- Right.

- So for me, it was, like, exciting and fun

that I could, you know, do this project

that really was a love letter to my mom,

even though it wasn't biographical.

- Mm-hmm. - I felt bad that--

that they thought it was something that it wasn't.

And I was hoping that they would watch.

So I was frustrated thinking, "Just watch.

I would never do anything to hurt our mom or us ever."

- How did you two come back together?

Who picked up the phone first or how did it happen?

- It was-- - I think probably me.

- "I think probably me." [laughter]

No, honestly, I was gonna say our kids

because our kids are unbelievably close.

- Yeah. - And it was--

every Christmas, it was like, "This is not fair to us."

- Mm. - You know?"

And they'd be like, "Well, I want to have your turkey

and your this, and we want to be with Aunt Kathy's this."

You know, and we were always having to divide

and then people's feelings were being hurt, you know?

Eventually, it was like, "Well, we got to do something

for the holidays" kind of thing.

And then it was like a little by little trickling

and calling each other about that.

- So you think it was the kids? Kathy thinks it was her.

[laughter] Yes.

- Kathy thinks it is her. - Yes.

When you came together,

did you hash out all of your issues?

I mean, I got the sense from seeing you two

sitting in front of the TV trays,

it's not necessarily something

that you two have ever really worked out.

- Andy, I think you're our psychiatrist.

[laughter] - That's what I'm here for.

Yeah. - No, it wasn't, you know--

- That was one of the first times.

- It was, yeah.

- What I find with people is you have to find the right time

and that people say they want the truth or they want to talk.

But the minute you go to start, they sometimes don't like it.

- Yeah. - That's right.

- It was poorly handled on both of our parts.

There was way too much time wasted.

- Do the four of you now get together?

- You mean Mauricio and Rick?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, we're all--

- Yeah. - Yep.

- That's great. - Yeah.

- Do you think this show

brought the two of you together at all?

- Honestly, I do

because look how busy you are doing the show.

- I mean... - So it has been

a great opportunity. - It really has been.

I mean, we were obviously speaking before,

which is why I really wanted her to be a part of the show.

But in doing the show, you know, she had never had--

I can't get my voice back. Sorry.

- Aw. - She had never done

a girls' trip or anything like that.

So it was fun for me. I mean, I joke like,

"Oh, my gosh. She wants me to do everything."

But she makes me laugh so much. So it was fun, you know,

seeing her for the first time ever driving by herself.

- Kyle, I need to find that purse.

- Have someone meet you at the 405 and Sunset.

- But I don't have a phone to tell them.

- Who do I ask for if I call the house?

- The lady. - Who's the lady?

She's just making me laugh the whole time.

So it was really nice. So in that aspect, yes.

- By the way, Kathy, who is the lady?

- The lady? - Yeah.

- The lady that was gonna meet you at the 405.

- That's so funny. - Oh, Paula.

- Oh, okay. - Okay.

- She works for you? - Yes.

- Okay.

- Thank you so much. - Thank you.

Feel like I'm at the Waldorf Astoria.

- You want seasoning or chips?

- No, I'm okay.

- Thank you, Paula. - Thank you.

- Kate Casey tweeted,

"Do Rick and Kathy Hilton eat on tray tables every night?"

- We do. - You do?

- With our kids. Yes, we like that.

- With the kids? - It's cozy.

- "It's cozy." - "It's cozy." [laughs]

- Louise from Albuquerque said,

"Forget Kyle and Kathy's problems.

What's up with Garcelle

forgetting her own sisters' names?"

Garcelle, have you heard from your sister Carole

about you forgetting her name?

- I love my sister Carole.

I'm the last of seven.

There's Maurice, Yves-Rose, Gladys, Chantal, Elie.

Who am I missing? I'm missing someone.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's terrible.

My sister Carole. I forgot about her.

Oh, my God. I love you, Carole.

It's interesting because we've sort of had a falling out.

And this is making me see it differently.

- Oh! - Oh, really?

- Yeah. - How so?

- Something happened and we didn't talk about it,

and just let it sort of fester.

And it just sort of went away. We haven't spoken.

So this is really great.

- Was it then Freudian that you couldn't remember her name?

- Maybe.

- I mean... - Maybe.

- It seems-- - Yeah, absolutely.

- Luna from Sonoma, California, said,

"I almost peed my pants when Kathy was voted

the favorite Richards sister

on 'Watch What Happens Live' by the viewers."

Well, guess what.

Kathy Hilton won your poll tonight.

[cheers and applause] I mean, Kyle, wow.

Kyle, you've been on the show for ten years.

How jealous did that make you?

- I don't feel jealous of my sister.

- That's just 'cause I'm new.

- How has Kim reacted to the emergence of Kathy Hilton

on "The Housewives of Beverly Hills"?

- She loves it. - She does?

- She loves it. - Aw.

- You know, I called her and talked to her about it.

I said, "Well, what do you think?"

And she said, "Yeah, just don't lose your temper."

- [chuckles]

- Yeah, right.

That's very hard in this group sometimes.

- Kyle, Ruby from Edmond, Oklahoma,

wants to know how your relationship with Kim is

and do you have her current phone number?

- [laughs] - That's cute.

- I want to know that too.

- Yeah. - 'Cause I forgot that one.

- Yes, I do have her current phone number.

And we are good.

I posted something with Kathy and me in the kitchen,

laughing when she'd served them stale old bread

in an ugly bowl with a dish towel.

[laughs]

Kathy, I'm peeing my pants. Stop.

So Kim posted,

"I cannot stop watching this and laughing about this."

So she thinks it's funny.

- I was hoping to see the three of you

at some point this season.

- We'll see.

You know, we can have fun together and laugh together.

And I think there's a place and time where that will happen.

- That's great.

We're gonna be back in a moment.

♪

Coming up...

I was really upset that you really experienced

hate speech because you're Asian.

- It's hundreds a day.

- Tonight, it's part three

- We are back with more of

"The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion."

I'm Andy Cohen.

With a big-shot Hollywood husband

and big-time passion for planning,

how would the newest Beverly Hills housewife fit in

with this group of bold women?

The answer is "Crystal" clear. Watch.

[upbeat music]

- Hit me up. [grunts] Move me.

- [grunts] Get out of the ----ing way.

Growing up in a Chinese traditional household,

I've always been raised to respect

not just your parents

but your grandparents, ancestors--

I'm a descendant of Confucius.

- Oh, wow. That's amazing.

- [speaking in Chinese]

- Wow! [applause]

- My parents only spoke Chinese to us.

But with my kids,

I just don't want them to lose the Chinese culture.

- Okay, you ladies look great.

And we're gonna start on all fours.

I just want you to come over, all fours.

- This is exactly why I wore my pants.

[laughs]

- I've always struggled with body image.

I'm a recovering bulimic.

So like-- - Oh.

- And I say recovering because, like, it's--

[stammers] - I didn't know that.

- I don't know what it's like to be any other thing.

- How long have you had this problem?

- I became a bulimic when I was 11.

I watched a video in class about eating disorders.

And obviously, it was a negative message.

And then I sort of picked up some tools from it.

And that's when it began.

- Why don't we play this game where we say three things?

- Okay. - Okay.

- Two truths and one lie.

- Crystal, you go first. - I've been arrested.

[light, suspenseful music]

I worked at an escort agency.

♪

I've been propositioned to become a madam.

- Oh, my God. - What's the lie?

- Arrested.

- Wow! - So unfair.

- She's so good at this game! - I know, right?

- That's my kind of chick, man.

You know, wow.

- So how did you land a job at an escort agency?

- So it was the summer between high school and college.

- Prime time to work at an escort agency.

- Right. Well, I was 18.

So it was an advertising company

that advertised escorts.

And we would put their photo on the back

with their phone number. So they get called directly.

But it's funny when you say something like that.

And then I've never been public,

so then it just becomes a thing.

- Erika, it takes you a minute to warm up to people.

What made you think-- - That.

- Crystal was your kind of chick?

- That. - That? Yeah.

- Well, just that she would be so open

to say something like that

that, you know, many people would have been "Eh."

And then the proposition to be a madam,

it was just that sort of free-spirited, fun thing.

- I want to talk about the leather pants.

- Jealous of what?

Your ugly leather pants?

- No, no, no, no.

- Ladies, show of hands,

who here would wear those pants?

- I think I own them.

- I like them. - I think they're cute.

- They wouldn't look good on me.

- I like them. - Do you stand by

your assertion that the leather pants--

- They weren't my favorite. - Right.

- She's allowed to hate the pants; it's okay.

- I wear a lot of things that people hate too.

Who cares?

- It's a Dolce bra. - Yeah.

I'm wearing Alexis Mabille couture.

- You look like you're straight from the runways of Paris.

- Okay, I want to discuss

the coat that launched a thousand tweets.

- [chuckles]

[tense music]

♪

I don't know what's going on in here,

but I'm gonna bring you your coat.

- Jade from West Hollywood wants to know,

"Crystal, when you finally got to see Sutton

"knocking on the door and entering your room,

"did it look like less a violation

and more like an awkward mistake to you?"

- To minimize the coat and the door--

just, like, a knock on the door

doesn't really describe, like, how I was feeling.

- Mm-hmm. - Because it was actually

compounded over the last two days.

It wasn't an isolated thing.

Had we had a productive and constructive

conversation that first night...

- I am not talking about racial stereotypes.

- Are you one of those people that you don't see color?

Tell me you're that girl. "I don't see color."

- I really don't see color.

- It would have been like,

"Wow, that was such a learning thing."

And then maybe the next night with Kathy's drinking game,

when I like nudged you, we'd have been like,

"Oh, like, we're like girlfriends, but like--"

- It was cumulative. - It's cumulative.

I can't change the way I felt.

But I wish that we had started off on the right foot

because it would have never happened.

- I think the "violate" word was very strong.

You know, I wasn't gonna let it go.

- The word violation actually means

not respecting personal space, which is how I felt.

- Well, and it also means violation of privacy.

- Correct. Violation means to abuse your privacy.

- Boundaries. - Disrespect of boundaries.

Period. Google it.

- That was inferring that I was doing something

directly to you to hurt you.

- After Tahoe, Crystal,

you admitted to having an eating disorder.

Did your body image issues play into your feeling violated

when she walked in on you naked?

- Without a doubt.

My feeling of violation was true to me.

And it was disheartening that

everyone was trying to police my feelings.

And so that's why when we got back,

I thought it was really important to share

with everyone my body dysmorphia and eating disorder.

- Did you speak to your mom before the episode aired?

- Yeah. - Because she didn't know.

- I knew she knew I had food issues for sure.

- What was her reaction?

Um, she cried with me.

She felt--don't make me cry. - Aw.

- Um, it was hard.

It's hard for any parent to experience that.

But, you know, she's like,

"Why do you want to talk about it?"

And I said, "That's just who I am."

And she just wants, like, everything to be fine.

- Okay. - Right.

- And, of course, I tell her that

even though I struggle still.

But it was positive in general, for sure.

- Abi Mendo tweeted, "Crystal, you got mad at Sutton

"and said, 'Please tell me you're not that girl

"that doesn't see color.'

"And then it turned out to be Kathy Hilton

who's the one who said she doesn't see color."

- Michael Jackson and I grew up together.

And Michael said to me, "Kathy, I don't see color."

I said, "Well, either do we."

- The conversation tone was extremely different.

You can't argue that.

- In the two conversations? - In the two conversations.

- Right. - Yes.

It was nice to see when that episode aired,

you posted that apology after your conversation.

It's nice to see you two worked it out.

- It's nice.

- Crystal, Alicia from North Carolina said,

"My heart broke when you shared

your dad's experience with racism."

- I have been on the other side of racism.

I've been attacked.

I remember I was in the backseat of my dad's car.

He was pumping gas.

And there was a man screaming at him,

"Get out of my country. You're taking all our money."

- Why do you think he never spoke about it with you?

- You know, I think that's sort of the classic Asian way.

My dad was an immigrant. He was particularly taught,

"You're going to a new country. You follow the rules.

And if you want to be successful, you just take it."

But that particular story, I remember his fear.

I remember seeing, like, he had got into--

he just, like, got into the car and drove so far,

and we were only a block from our house.

And that was really sad to see.

My dad was so...

The goodness of my dad was...beyond.

And it was sad.

And it's not a unusual story.

- Right.

Well, I was really upset when I found out, Crystal,

that you really experienced threats

and hate speech directed at you

as a result of being on the show because you're Asian.

What do you want to say about that?

- I haven't shared with you guys.

It's hundreds a day.

- Wow. - Still?

- Still.

- Saying yes to doing the show, primarily, the reason

was because I thought Asians need representation.

- Yeah. - So when I got the call,

I thought, "You know what? Like,

"what an incredible opportunity

"for me to do that to show my kids

"and to speak out for people who are too afraid,

like my dad." - Yeah.

- You know, that was my opportunity.

So I thought, "I'm gonna do it and...

it's gonna be well received." - Aw.

- I'm just sorry for any part that I played in that.

- Thank you. I know. - It's terrible.

- It was so fun for me and I think

for the majority of people watching to share your culture.

I mean, you should feel so great about it.

- Yeah, you should.

- And you shouldn't let a percentage of assholes

on social media define not only your experience

but the experience that you put out there for others.

- 100%. - Absolutely.

- I will say, as much negativity

has been out there,

I am grateful for every single person here,

because everyone's been so open and not only just accepting

but, like, very excited when I show my culture.

And I'm obviously so proud of my family and my background.

And it's been a real pleasure.

- I would love to hear from any of the other women

what you enjoyed about getting to know Crystal.

- I love going to her house making dumplings.

Garcelle and I ate so many.

- Oh, my God. - I had to roll myself home.

- I may have done it.

- Fantastic.

- It's done. That's a dumpling.

- I did a dumpling.

- And the Chinese New Year was so fun.

[dramatic Chinese drum music]

♪

- And for me, Crystal's been like a little sister

a little bit.

And I have loved what we have.

I really have. - That's great.

- The aftermath has been horrific.

But with you guys, it's been great,

so I just want you to know that.

- On that note, we're gonna be right back after this.

Coming up:

"I have the $20 million question.

"Who believes Erika did not know anything

about what Tom was doing?"

[dramatic tone]

- We are back with more of

- I'm Andy Cohen, and we are back with more

of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Reunion."

Like most folks coming out of this past year,

the Beverly Hills housewives

were eager to have a reason to dress up again.

So let the glam squads rejoice.

Beverly Hills fashion is back.

- It just feels so great to be glamming again,

creating a look, and hosting a party.

I mean, it's been 100 years since I could say that.

[upbeat electronic music]

- I love that dress.

It's good. - Thank you. Thank you.

It was fun. It looks like a cupcake.

- You look like a cotton candy vision.

[gasps]

- I wanted to have fun, damn it.

- Cheers. - Is that real?

- It's real, isn't it? What do you mean?

Of course it's real. It's vintage Cartier.

- What? [laughs] - Mm-hmm.

- You're so ----in' rich.

- Could I be a little gauche and ask how much that--

Can I ask? You know me.

- This particular one, about 380.

- Okay.

- Is that--okay, the bag over there is very distracting.

I cannot.

- I had it on display just for you.

- Stop the madness. - Are you dead?

- I have not heard one word out of Crystal's mouth.

[laughter]

All I can see is this bag right now.

- Can't get over these slippers.

- "Vete-ments."

- They're Vetements? - Okay, they're expensive.

- I'm googling it. Holy sh--.

- Are they a grand? - $2,000.

- [gasps] What? - They're $2,000?

- Don't judge.

- I'm judging.

[upbeat dance music]

- Oh, my God!

- Oh, my God!

- It's hot. Super hot.

- Oh, stunning.

- Look at these dresses on you.

- Hi.

- Wow! - Hi, Mama.

- Wow, wow, wow.

You look amazing. - Oh, my gosh.

- Yeah, that was cute.

- Wow. I love it.

- Why have you been hiding this body?

- Oh, gorgeous!

- Oh, I love that.

- That's Gucci.

- I think I might be underdressed.

[laughs]

- All Right, @GuavaLaHaHa tweeted,

"I wouldn't have told the world I keep millions of dollars'

"worth of vintage dresses in a detached garage

after a burglar stole all of Kyle's Birkin bags."

Rinna, have you moved those dresses into the house?

- Yes. Well, they're in a special vintage place

where they keep your clothes. - Good.

I was very concerned when I saw that episode.

- You texted me. - I texted you and said,

"Get your sh-- out of the garage."

- You said, "Get your stuff out now!"

- Damian from Baltimore said,

"Garcelle, you walked the runway.

Who has the best fashion sense in this group and why?"

- Oh, Dorit.

She puts a lot of care into it, and she really does it well.

- Dorit, when you come out with these outfits,

do you buy every single thing?

- Every single piece.

I'm really particular.

I want to wear what I want to wear, and it's just easier.

I just think, "I'll buy it."

- And you pay retail for everything.

- Yes.

- Wow. - Amazing.

- I would have thought, at this point,

that you would be getting discounts from places

or that people would be lending you stuff

to see it on the show. Really?

- Certain designers would. But, you know,

I want to wear what I want to wear.

I dress for myself, what I like.

- You should. - And I enjoy--

- Can you imagine what Phoenix can have?

- Oh, save it all. - Oh, my God.

- I do. I do. - Save it all.

- I know. I know.

- Crystal, for a tomboy who is not into fashion

and considers herself frugal,

how did you end up with that Birkin?

- My friend is a big collector.

And she guided me to buying a bag.

She actually has bought me a couple bags.

- That's a nice friend. - How can we meet her?

- How can I have her as a friend?

- And she said it's a good investment.

She's always like, "You don't buy anything for yourself"

'cause I'm like, "I don't care."

But she's like, "I know that this is gonna be--"

- Your bags look like you care. - [laughs]

- Well, Rachel from Idaho said, "Kyle, I loved seeing you

"celebrate your 25th anniversary with Mauricio.

"What's the most over-the-top gift

he's bought you over the years?"

- The most over-the-top gift, I'm going to say

the diamond earrings he gave me on "Watch What Happens Live."

- Oh, I remember that.

- Mauricio sent a gift to me to give to you.

- Aw! - Are you serious?

- And this is for your 25th anniversary.

- [gasps] - Wow!

- He said he chose flawless diamonds for his flawless wife.

- Are you kidding me right now? - No.

- And they're gone. - And those got stolen.

- Oh! - Yeah.

- Forgot about that.

Kathy, what's the most over-the-top present

that Rick has gotten you?

- We don't buy each other gifts like that anymore.

For our big anniversary,

you're not gonna believe what I got.

- What did you get?

- It was a sterling silver shell.

- Oh.

- But he collects shells, so it was for him.

- Oh, how funny. - It was for him.

- Wait, what did you give him? A sweater.

- A sweater. - Sweater? Why?

- I buy him a sweater for Christmas

and his anniversary always.

- Yeah. - And that's it?

- All right. On that note, we're gonna take a break.

Stick around for more from Beverly Hills after this.

Coming up...

Who would trust Kathy to cut your hair?

- Oh, hell no. - I would.

- Rinna would?

- Yeah. - Absolutely not.

- I'm Andy Cohen, and we are back with more

- Kathy, social media is abuzz.

You've been called an icon, a national treasure,

the gift that keeps on giving.

Were you surprised by the positive reaction?

And what do you attribute it to?

- I was surprised because I'm a little part

of such a dynamic group of incredible ladies that I adore.

- Mm-hmm. - And we adore you.

- And they're intelligent. They're fierce.

I mean, it's so nice to be received well.

- I know you said that Paris and Nicky were disgusted--

- Disgusted.

- When they learned that you were joining us.

How do they feel now?

- They're actually okay with it.

They like it.

- Well, from chia seeds to box fans,

we're all hunky dory with Kathy Hilton.

And it's easy to see why,

even if we put eardrops in our eyes.

Watch.

- Only in Beverly Hills.

Vogue, vogue, vogue.

Oh, my brain. My brain.

- Sometimes I just watch my sister and I'm like...

[Kathy howls] [dog howls]

She's so un-self-aware...

- Hi. - How are you?

Wait, I thought you were Kyle.

- [laughs] - I'm not kidding.

- That it's hysterical.

- Do I bring my scissors with me and my dental supplies?

- Oh, my God. - You must.

[laughter]

- The fan.

- The fan won't plug in. - Will not plug.

Oh, I have to have a fan.

The hum relaxes me.

[plucky music]

- She's a lot of work.

- Cheese puff.

- Yes, I love it. Thank you.

I think we'll have more too.

- You should take another one. - You know what--

well, I can't take two at a time.

- I know, but-- - I'm not an octopus.

[laughter]

Just tell her to do not be the cow

that buys the milk for free or whatever that is.

- No, no, no.

Why buy the milk when you get the cow for free?

- I'm literally ready to have a gorilla.

- "Have a gorilla"? Kathy.

"Have a gorilla"? What's that expression?

- You know, I'm being dramatic.

Like, I'm gonna have a horse, I'm gonna have a gorilla.

I'm gonna have a barrel of chickens, whatever.

It's just like--

- It's hard for me to sit there and pretend

like everything's hunky dory when it's not.

- Who is hunky dory?

[plucky music]

[laughter]

- Okay. [applause]

Lots to unpack.

Kyle, we've seen Kathy on the show

occasionally over the years.

Is what she has brought to the group a surprise to you

or is this what you thought it would be?

- This is who she is. I've always said this.

My sister is hysterical.

She is a practical joker.

So much of her humor makes me laugh

because these expressions like, you know,

"I'm about to have a gorilla." That's something--

my mom used to joke like that and had the same humor.

- Oh, really? - Yeah.

- So when my mom was upset or stressed,

she'd say, you know, "I'm about to have a gorilla.

I'm about to have an elephant." [laughs]

And it doesn't make any sense.

But, you know, you have that inside family humor.

So, you know, she's always been like this since we were kids.

- I feel like seeing you

makes me understand Kim a little bit better.

- Me or her? - You.

- Oh, really?

- I put some drops.

And I thought they were eyedrops

and I put ear drops in my eyes. - [gasps]

- My friend asked me the other day,

do you have any breath spray?

So I give it to him and he goes,

"Is this a sick joke? This is a deodorizer."

- Put in his mouth?

- I've been using it in my mouth for a week.

- She's eccentric as well. - Yes.

- I mean, we're all so different.

And we share the same sense of humor.

- Nobody knows the real Kyle, you see?

- Oh, really? - Kyle is very eccentric.

- Let me ask you this.

Who designed the lampshade hat we saw in the finale?

- Oh, Lorna Murray.

And I love it. I have it in all colors.

- You have it in all colors? - I do. I love her.

- I call it the coffee filter hat.

- Oh, yeah.

- It does look like that. - I mean, but it's great.

- It is so cute.

- I love it. - And chic. It really is.

- Tell me the origin of the box fan.

- Mom.

- Your mom? - Oh!

- And that's how I sleep.

- Yeah. - Yeah.

- We all know that. - She had a big standing one.

- Is it the noise that-- - It's the hum.

- Yeah, the hum. - Our mom had one this big.

- Like a helicopter.

- This big in our room and she had it

at the foot of the bed, and we all slept together.

And it'd be-- [mimics fan humming]

- Blowing on you? - Yeah.

- Oh, my gosh.

- Nolan from Spokane said,

"Kathy, what was it like raising kids in a hotel

when you lived at the Waldorf Astoria?"

- Very, very lovely.

We loved being in close quarters under one roof,

except when Paris would sneak out of the service elevator.

- And how long did you live there at the Waldorf?

- Nine years. - Nine years?

- One day, I woke up

and we couldn't find Conrad and Alexia.

And they were hiding in an air conditioning vent...

- What? - At the Waldorf Astoria.

- Terrifying. - Crazy.

- Yeah.

- Every time you mention hotel, I kind of lean in

because what is your relationship to Hilton Hotels?

- My father-in-law and Rick's grandfather--

- Was Conrad Hilton. - Right.

- The man who founded Hilton Hotels.

- Who founded Hilton Hotels. - Okay.

- So this is Rick's family business?

- Rick does not have anything to do with it at all.

- He does not? - No, no, no.

- It was sold? - Yes.

- This is about probably ten years ago.

- Got it.

- Evelyn from Pittsburgh said,

"Ladies, who would trust Kathy to cut your hair?"

- Oh, hell no. - No.

- I would. - Rinna would?

- Absolutely not! - Yeah, I'd let her.

- And what about to do dental work?

- Not dental. - With a nail file?

- That's where you draw the line, right?

- I draw the line. - And I do COVID tests as well.

[laughter] - Oh, do you?

- Well, I want to leave it there.

We are gonna be back with more from Beverly Hills after this.

Coming up...

- Why didn't you understand

that we could be concerned being grouped in?

- You know, straight up, it's bullsh--.

[tense music]

- Kathy, social media is abuzz.

[upbeat music]

- Okay, thank you.

♪

- How's it going, Erika?

- We're gonna put you on a skewer,

and I'm gonna fire up the barbecue.

- And I'm so ----ing ready for you.

- Oh, sh--.

♪

Shortly after Erika filed for divorce,

serious legal accusations about Tom began to emerge,

each more shocking than the last.

But while the news left some speechless,

it had others asking more questions than ever.

Take a look.

- Something broke today about her and Tom being sued.

- There's news reports coming out

that are alleging that Tom embezzled this money

from victims of this plane crash.

And to see Erika's name involved in it is shocking.

- Oh, my God. This is the "L.A. Times."

[dramatic music]

"Girardi improperly funneled more than 20 million

into Erika Jayne's entertainment company."

This article is implying

that Erika was complicit and knew everything.

- They used the word Ponzi scheme.

- No, they did? - Yes.

- In this article? - (BLEEP).

- Yes. - (BLEEP).

- I left La Quinta thinking, "Something's amiss."

- There's no proof to not believe Erika, at this point.

I don't know what is going on there.

I need to find out.

I need to let it play out and see what's gonna happen.

- I mean, yes, I'm here if you've lost all your money.

I'm here if your husband cheated on you.

I'm here if you're getting divorced.

But if there's any connection, you know--

- Yes. If you ----ing knew--

- What was going on here, I need to know that,

because guess what. That's a very different story.

- I think that we have heard stories

that, to me, don't add up.

- Tom got in a car accident by our house and broke his ankle.

- Oh, no.

- So I've been dealing with the biggest baby on the planet.

He's fine.

- Oh, my gosh. - He'll be fine.

As a result of the crash, his ankle was broken.

- Right. Got it. Got it. Got it.

- He was also unconscious for 12 hours.

- He was?

- I know he was unconscious for 12 hours.

I mean, the head injury that he had--

- Allegedly, yeah. Mm-hmm.

- Now I'm kind of like,

"What else is going on that we don't know?"

- Tom's house was broken into and he confronted the burglar

and then had to go have eye surgery.

And then my son had to go over and help.

- Recently? - And then he rolled his car

five times on the way home.

Yeah, I'm under a lot of stress.

- Wait, what?

- What are the statistics that Tom

and his stepson both flip cars?

I would guess they're millions and millions

and millions to one.

- Let me tell you something.

There's lies all over the place.

- Clearly, you understand that we are dragged into this

whether we like it or not. - We're nervous.

I think some people are nervous.

- You guys, are you really that afraid of me?

- I don't trust that 100% of what you've told us

is the truth.

- What the (BLEEP) do you think I'm doing?

I am not a liar.

[dramatic music]

You have a lot of ----ing nerve.

- Don't talk to me like that.

- Or what? - Seriously.

- Or what?

♪

- Or nothing. - Right. Exactly.

Shut the (BLEEP) up.

♪

There's gonna be a day when all of this is behind me.

And it's gonna be a very sweet day.

And I'm going to remember those who were with me,

and I'm going to remember those who were against me.

Trust me.

♪

- So who is for you? And who is against you?

- I don't know. You should ask them.

- Well, but you said, "When this is all over,

I'm gonna remember who was for me and who was against me."

- Yes, I'm keeping score. - You are keeping score?

- Uh-huh.

- So what's the score so far?

- I'm gonna keep that to myself.

I think it's pretty-- - Can I say something?

Because I've been reading stories in the tabloids,

whatever online.

You're upset with me, and I just hope you know

that we were in such a difficult position.

And, you know, there was many things

I know that you couldn't say. But then I thought,

"Well, there's things that you could say

that would help us understand a little more,"

which was very complicated.

- The thing that hurt me the most was to watch

that dinner with you and Mauricio and you and PK.

- We don't know what he had. - Let's not do the prank.

Let's focus on the ankle, right?

He's not a ----ing soccer player.

He's a lawyer. [laughter]

This is a 79-year-old lawyer. - [inaudible] his ankle.

'Cause he doesn't kick the ball.

- And the wife goes, "No, no, no.

Not the brain. Do the ----ing ankle."

- To watch the four of you mock my life

and mock my family really hurt me.

Especially after PK had been so kind

and we'd worked so hard on our relationship.

That sucked.

- That night, specifically, I felt so bad.

First of all, PK and Mo, you know,

they're like brothers. They have their own opinions.

My husband has said all along, he believes you.

He does not think you knew anything.

We both were like-- - Can I try to explain it?

- Don't stress about that night.

- To add to that. - Because we do care about you.

- Because I was receiving a new piece of information.

And this was about your son.

She sent her son who's a police officer

to check on him.

The son went home, was driving home.

Her son lives somewhere where it was snowing,

flipped his car six times.

- What? - What are you laughing at?

- I'm like, it's so shocking, PK.

- Is it true?

- We were trying to tell the story,

and it was getting jumbled and confused.

And the more it got jumbled and confused,

it became almost preposterous.

It was not at all, I swear to you,

hand on my heart--

and I know Kyle feels this way--

ever to make a mockery of your situation.

- Well, look, I'm here to clear up any question

that you may have about any of these things.

- Great. Well, that's what we're gonna do.

- So, you know, whatever it is that you need to ask, I'm here.

- I want to ask, why didn't you understand

that we could be concerned about

us being grouped in on a story like this?

- I'll tell you why.

There's nothing here that legally ties you all to me

other than being mentioned in articles about what--

[all speaking at once]

- No, I understand that.

- They do-- but they do project--

listen, they do project onto you.

But you can't be fearful of that

because you know the truth.

If anyone tried to drag any of you in here,

you know straight up it's bullsh--.

- But let me say something, because I really got upset

after reading the article, ad nauseum.

And I wanted us to know because we weren't told anything.

I didn't know what was gonna happen and unfold in this case.

- Love, I am the source.

You could have picked up the phone and said to me--

- But listen. No, but-- - "What can you say?"

I have been straight up with everyone here.

- But, Erika, you ran away the day before.

- No, I didn't--no, no.

That's what it felt like to me. - No, no.

I may go back early. I'm not gonna lie, you guys.

- Oh, are you? - I might.

I'll call you guys later.

- Okay, bye. - All right, love y'all.

[tense music]

- (BLEEP).

- I did not-- - You left the day before.

- Hold on. - You left the day before.

And it felt like you had ran away right before

that article came out. - Do you know why?

- I don't have a heads-up on an "L.A. Times" article.

I don't have a heads-up on an "L.A. Times" hit piece.

Nobody calls me to say,

"Hey, by the way, this piece is coming out on you."

I left because of the fight that we got into with--

- You and Garcelle? - Yes. All of that.

- Erika shares, if you don't mind me saying,

that Tom calls her.

- Well, I do mind you saying that 'cause I feel like

you're betraying my friendship right now.

But please, have your moment. Go ahead.

[dramatic music]

I am not going to run away

because of a one-sided "L.A. Times" article.

There have been many more vicious articles

written after that.

- Well, it was a very legal--

- This was the first time we were learning--

- It was a very legal article. - But there's a lot of that.

- Let me ask a question.

On other shows, there have been lawsuits and big problems.

- The difference here-- and I think that

it's the reason that people are so fired up about this--

is that there are actual victims in this case.

- I was just about to say that.

- Whereas you have someone who defrauded the IRS

in the case of New Jersey, who didn't pay their taxes.

- Right. - So I think that when there's

a case of actual victims that you're seeing,

that's the thing that got people very upset.

- Understood. However, understand this.

We are a long way from finding out what really happened here.

I loved my husband. I thought he was great.

Now he's allegedly defrauding widows, orphans,

and burn victims.

How the (BLEEP) do you think I feel?

[tense music]

♪

- How do you feel? - Horrible. And I've said that.

- You never said that. - Over and over and over.

- You actually haven't.

- Why are you not saying it to the victims?

♪

[upbeat music]

- I loved my husband.

Now he's allegedly defrauding widows, orphans,

and burn victims.

How the (BLEEP) do you think I feel?

- How do you feel? - Horrible. And I've said that.

- You never said that. - Over and over and over.

- You actually haven't.

- Why are you not saying it to the victims?

- I think that is the number one thing.

- I understand that.

You also understand that there is a real boundary

as to where I can and cannot go.

- Okay.

- However, if anyone in these cases has been proven wronged,

I want them remedied.

Despite what you read,

I have done everything they have asked.

- That's not the issue.

The way that people perceive it

is that you come off as you're the victim.

- I have never said I was a victim.

I am not a victim. I am simply surviving this.

- But you looked like you were one.

- Are you ----ing kidding me?

My life is upside down, Sutton.

- I understand that. - How can I not be broken?

- I'm just telling you-- - How can I not be sad?

How can I not be tired? - I am telling you

how you came across. - How can I not be exhausted?

- I know that you are.

- But you're saying, "Of course, I feel that way

about the victims. And I said that to Kathy--"

- Hold on, what should I have done?

- I'm just saying-- - I'm just asking.

Anyone else here have any suggestions?

- I'm telling you, it doesn't seem to be landing

with the group or with the viewers

that that's where you're coming from.

- There is a very limited way in which I can express myself.

- Sure. - Okay.

- Because we all know everything will be

picked apart, parsed, and possibly turned against.

- Yes. - Okay, so hold on.

That is why you see me answer in certain ways.

- Okay. - Okay?

- Understood. There is speculation that

you were advised by your lawyers

not to speak about the victims--

- It is best in any of these situations to be quiet.

What did I do?

I chose to say as much as I possibly could.

And I still may have ----ed myself up. All right?

- I'm surprised that you're surprised

that people aren't getting--

- No, I'm not surprised at the viewers.

I'm surprised at the women that are sitting right here,

because they know the source, they can come to me.

There is no reason that any of these women

should ever think that I would withhold something from them.

- Can I say something?

'Cause I want to address this. - Yes.

- It's not doing any favors with the Instagram.

- But my Instagram has always been the same.

- I know, but it's not the time.

- And I'm not going to leave social media

because you know what--

- It's not about leaving. It's about changing the tone.

- It just seems tone deaf.

- If you're presenting an attitude

of consumption and indifference, that is--

- Where is the consumption?

The Erika Jayne character is built on consumption.

- She's getting paid to post. - Okay, fine.

- Should I not do that? - All I'm saying is--

- Should I not pay the bills? - It lands differently

when there are air crash victims.

- It does. It does. - You gotta shift a little bit.

- I don't have to do anything except defend myself.

- What do you think?

- I understand her acting out and doing what she's doing.

I don't think it is helpful.

It's feeding the fire.

- So the first question that came up was,

"What did Erika know?"

Did you have any sense

that this alleged theft was happening?

- I do not work at Girardi & Keese.

All the financials are kept there.

- The answer is no? - There's your answer.

- Catherine from Sandy Springs, Georgia, said,

"I have the $20 million question.

"Who believes Erika did not know anything

about what Tom was doing?"

- I don't think she knew.

- I've never thought that she knew.

- I never thought she knew.

- I don't think Tom Girardi told her anything.

- I don't think Tom would be sharing everything with Erika.

But I also think Erika was living such an amazing life

that maybe if there were signs, she didn't want to know.

- But I have a question, which has bothered me.

- Okay.

- If Rob did this to me--

I guess, like, where's your anger towards him?

- Where do you think it is?

You think I don't have any because you haven't seen it?

Or I haven't shown enough ----ing anger here today?

What do you want me to do?

- I thought back on it.

And I was like, "I would be so livid."

- I sat here earlier today

and I said, "I wonder who I was married to for 20 years."

Did you forget me saying that?

I'm very angry. Hear it in my voice. All right?

- See, I think everybody wants you to beat on Tom.

And you know what?

We don't always do what everybody thinks we should do.

- You don't know-- you also don't know

what I have done or what I will do.

- That's true. - So...

- What will you do?

- You'll just have to wait and see, won't you?

- Had you heard that Tom was in financial straits?

- No. And you can look at the money.

I forget how much we--the firm made year after year.

It was a lot.

- So you're saying you had never heard

that Tom was in any financial disrepair

in the years leading up to this?

- That's not true.

I told you I was being sued as a named defendant

in a law lending institution out of Arizona.

- Monty from Nevada said, "Erika is happy to talk

"about Lisa Vanderpump all day,

"but when it comes to Tom defaulting

on a $15 million loan, she doesn't say a word."

- How about this? Resolved, and they apologized.

I looked at him,

and I said, "What is this, and why am I involved?"

And he said, "It's bullsh--, don't worry about it."

And everything was like that.

Am I angry now enough for you?

[tense music]

♪

- Next week, "The Real Housewives

of Beverly Hills Reunion" concludes.

Have you spoken to him?

- He's called five times today.

- Did you ask him if he stole from these people?

- Doesn't even matter what he says 'cause he's incompetent.

So I'm left holding the ----ing bag.

- "Crystal, you were quiet.

"Kyle, you were a kiss-ass.

"Dorit, you were duplicitous.

Why didn't any of you ask the tough questions?"

- I asked.

- The way that you spoke to me is not okay.

You were being a bitchy ----ing (BLEEP).

- He put $20 million... - No.

- And more into your account.

[tense music]

You found him after he was unconscious for 12 hours?

- It's actually nine. - Is there a police report?

- They can't find one. - What?

- Why was it ruled that you could be roped into this?

Who believes Erika

did not know anything about what Tom was doing?

- Can someone please back me the (BLEEP) up

on what I'm saying?

- It's only in Beverly Hills that everybody's so precious.

♪

(BLEEP).