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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,044 --> 00:00:03,394 [light music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:12,708 --> 00:00:17,278 -[blues guitar music] -[man singing] 5 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:35,383 [narrator] In March of 2017, the Bob Bullock Texas History Museum held 6 00:00:35,426 --> 00:00:40,127 an exhibition dedicated to Texas guitarist, Stevie Ray Vaughan. 7 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:44,087 Although he's been gone for nearly 27 years, Stevie has millions of fans 8 00:00:44,131 --> 00:00:47,786 who were not even born when he was at the height of his popularity. 9 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:51,660 Stevie's rise to the top was preceded by his older brother Jimmie, 10 00:00:51,703 --> 00:00:54,054 who served as a role model and influenced 11 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:57,231 the younger Vaughn brother in so many ways. 12 00:00:57,274 --> 00:01:01,887 Their success represented the dreams of many of my fellow baby boomers 13 00:01:01,931 --> 00:01:07,154 to somehow become a rock and roll star, a true guitar hero. 14 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:09,373 When the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show 15 00:01:09,417 --> 00:01:13,290 on February 9th, 1964, the whole world was watching. 16 00:01:13,334 --> 00:01:16,163 For myself and millions of other male baby boomers, 17 00:01:16,206 --> 00:01:19,688 that performance changed our lives and our worldview. 18 00:01:19,731 --> 00:01:24,954 It showed us there was now a whole new way to meet girls. 19 00:01:24,997 --> 00:01:29,437 Because up until The Beatles, you had to play football or be one of the cool kids. 20 00:01:31,352 --> 00:01:33,615 Now you just had to play in a band. 21 00:01:33,658 --> 00:01:37,314 But before the Beatles, that wasn't even a possibility. 22 00:01:37,358 --> 00:01:40,622 Until then, Elvis was rock and roll. 23 00:01:40,665 --> 00:01:43,320 But to be like Elvis, you had to be good looking. 24 00:01:43,364 --> 00:01:47,063 And the only problem was that most of us just weren't that attractive. 25 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,326 But all that changed with Ringo. 26 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:51,372 Ringo wasn't pretty like John or Paul, 27 00:01:51,415 --> 00:01:53,765 but he was in a rock and roll band. 28 00:01:53,809 --> 00:01:56,290 And the girls loved him. 29 00:01:56,333 --> 00:01:58,901 The next morning, millions of us bought electric guitars 30 00:01:58,944 --> 00:02:00,946 and started practicing in our basements, 31 00:02:00,990 --> 00:02:04,950 garages, or living rooms, dreaming of making it big. 32 00:02:04,994 --> 00:02:10,608 But in the end, only a minuscule number actually got there. 33 00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:12,697 Down in the Dallas neighborhood of Oak Cliff, 34 00:02:12,741 --> 00:02:15,222 two brothers were part of this wave. 35 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:18,094 And from that small home on Glenfield Avenue, 36 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,618 those two brothers went on to win Grammy awards 37 00:02:20,662 --> 00:02:24,405 and perform alongside rock and roll legends like David Bowie, 38 00:02:24,448 --> 00:02:29,758 Carlos Santana, Eric Clapton, Nile Rodgers and Jimi Hendrix. 39 00:02:29,801 --> 00:02:33,065 There were Jimmie and his little brother, Stevie Vaughan. 40 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:36,243 And in the words of Lou Ann Barton, 41 00:02:36,286 --> 00:02:40,508 they came from nowhere and went everywhere. 42 00:02:40,551 --> 00:02:42,379 [man] Roll it, and I'll just feel something. 43 00:02:42,423 --> 00:02:44,860 ["Hard to Be" by the Vaughan Brothers] 44 00:03:08,013 --> 00:03:10,799 ♪ It's hard to be ♪ 45 00:03:10,842 --> 00:03:16,587 ♪ It's hard for me To keep arm's length From my baby ♪ 46 00:03:16,631 --> 00:03:19,808 ♪ Whoa, can't you see ♪ 47 00:03:19,851 --> 00:03:25,205 ♪ When I'm away from her It sho' nuf' drives me crazy ♪ 48 00:03:25,248 --> 00:03:32,995 ♪ Oh, something inside of me When she's gone I miss her so ♪ 49 00:03:33,038 --> 00:03:35,563 ♪ I want to tell her How I feel ♪ 50 00:03:35,606 --> 00:03:40,481 [narrator] In 1963, America was still enjoying the fruits of the postwar boom. 51 00:03:40,524 --> 00:03:43,571 Millions of GIs had returned from Europe and the Pacific 52 00:03:43,614 --> 00:03:46,835 to marry, settle down and raise a family. 53 00:03:46,878 --> 00:03:51,883 The GI Bill provided them with low-cost home loans, and a housing boom took off. 54 00:03:51,927 --> 00:03:55,409 In Oak Cliff, a neighborhood just south of downtown Dallas, 55 00:03:55,452 --> 00:04:00,065 a businessman named Angus Wynne started a planned development called Wynnewood. 56 00:04:00,109 --> 00:04:03,765 It featured thousands of low-cost, two-bedroom tract homes 57 00:04:03,808 --> 00:04:06,376 that sold almost as fast as he could build them 58 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:10,728 and one of the country's first shopping centers, Wynnewood Village. 59 00:04:10,772 --> 00:04:15,907 60 years later, most of those homes are still in use, as is Wynnewood Village. 60 00:04:15,951 --> 00:04:19,520 One of these houses was at 2755 Glenfield Avenue 61 00:04:19,563 --> 00:04:23,828 on a side street off of Hampton Road, near Kiest Park. 62 00:04:23,872 --> 00:04:26,701 It was here that Jim and Martha Vaughan settled down 63 00:04:26,744 --> 00:04:30,052 and raised their two sons, Jimmie and Stevie. 64 00:04:30,095 --> 00:04:33,185 There wasn't anything outstanding about the little house. 65 00:04:33,229 --> 00:04:35,710 It looked just like all the others around it. 66 00:04:35,753 --> 00:04:39,931 As a matter of fact, in the 1950s, most of America looked the same. 67 00:04:39,975 --> 00:04:42,194 We all lived in two-parent households, 68 00:04:42,238 --> 00:04:44,675 watched the same three TV channels, 69 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:48,723 four if you lived in the city that had what they called educational TV, 70 00:04:48,766 --> 00:04:50,681 and we shared one landline telephone 71 00:04:50,725 --> 00:04:53,728 and went to the nearest public school. 72 00:04:53,771 --> 00:04:55,730 And we pretty much looked and dressed the same. 73 00:04:58,863 --> 00:05:02,867 [Jimmie] Our uncles played music, and our parents danced, 74 00:05:02,911 --> 00:05:07,481 and they played dominoes, and they worked every day. 75 00:05:08,090 --> 00:05:11,702 We were like just totally normal kids, going to school 76 00:05:11,746 --> 00:05:15,706 and riding our bicycles, you know, playing in the backyard. 77 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:18,970 Didn't have any idea about any of this stuff. 78 00:05:19,014 --> 00:05:22,409 You know, we had a great, great childhood. 79 00:05:22,452 --> 00:05:27,065 [narrator] One person who saw the Vaughan brothers grow up was their cousin, Connie Trent. 80 00:05:27,109 --> 00:05:29,546 After losing both parents at the age of seven, 81 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:31,983 she was adopted by Preston and May Vaughan. 82 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:38,120 [Connie] They all hung out together, and they went to what they called honky tonks. 83 00:05:39,426 --> 00:05:44,213 And this picture right here, this is my mother. 84 00:05:44,256 --> 00:05:45,606 That's my father. 85 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:48,391 That's Big Jim, or Jim Vaughan. 86 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:50,828 And there's my Aunt May and Uncle Preston. 87 00:05:51,438 --> 00:05:55,877 It was pretty much all two-parent families, that's just the way it was. 88 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,706 As far as dressing the same, everyone wore the same styles. 89 00:05:58,749 --> 00:06:02,318 It was a time period when the mothers were still at home, 90 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:06,148 you know, and they made sure that the kids kept busy, 91 00:06:06,191 --> 00:06:08,280 'cause they wanted to keep them out of trouble. 92 00:06:08,324 --> 00:06:10,587 [narrator] But all that changed with the Beatles. 93 00:06:10,631 --> 00:06:12,415 Boys started wearing their hair longer, 94 00:06:12,459 --> 00:06:14,983 and every town enjoyed a burst of rock bands 95 00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:18,160 that sprang up like mushrooms after rain. 96 00:06:18,203 --> 00:06:22,425 Rock and roll dreams reached all the way, even into rural America. 97 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:26,864 At the same time, Oak Cliff, Texas was undergoing a transformation. 98 00:06:26,908 --> 00:06:30,651 So many children were born to all of the returning World War II GIs 99 00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:32,392 that a building boom of new schools 100 00:06:32,435 --> 00:06:34,698 took place to accommodate the growing enrollment. 101 00:06:35,264 --> 00:06:37,571 For over 30-- almost 30 years, 102 00:06:37,614 --> 00:06:42,053 there had been no new high schools or junior highs built in Oak Cliff. 103 00:06:42,097 --> 00:06:47,319 And starting in 1952 when South Oak Cliff opened, over the next about 14 years, 104 00:06:47,363 --> 00:06:52,890 there were four large high schools built and six junior high schools built. 105 00:06:52,934 --> 00:06:54,631 So, everything really expanded. 106 00:06:55,676 --> 00:06:58,069 Kimball opened in the fall of '59, 107 00:06:58,592 --> 00:07:03,031 and then Carter opened in the fall of '66. 108 00:07:03,074 --> 00:07:05,120 [narrator] Both Carter and Kimball High 109 00:07:05,163 --> 00:07:07,775 produced a bumper crop of budding guitar heroes. 110 00:07:07,818 --> 00:07:10,560 They drew inspiration from a long list of Oak Cliff artists 111 00:07:10,604 --> 00:07:12,780 and musicians who went before them, 112 00:07:12,823 --> 00:07:16,827 including Michael Martin Murphey, T-Bone Walker, 113 00:07:16,871 --> 00:07:22,485 B.W. Stevenson, Terry Southern and Yvonne Craig. 114 00:07:22,529 --> 00:07:26,097 Yes, Batgirl was from Oak Cliff, Texas. 115 00:07:26,141 --> 00:07:30,101 Oak Cliff was both an artist factory and a band of misfits. 116 00:07:30,145 --> 00:07:33,757 On the one hand, you had Terry Southern and Yvonne Craig, 117 00:07:33,801 --> 00:07:38,719 while on the other hand, you had Lee Harvey Oswald and Bonnie and Clyde. 118 00:07:38,762 --> 00:07:43,811 In that day, Dallas, Texas was also the music mecca of the Southwest. 119 00:07:43,854 --> 00:07:46,204 Elvis had played the state fair of Texas, 120 00:07:46,248 --> 00:07:49,251 while Buddy Holly played the infamous Sportatorium 121 00:07:49,294 --> 00:07:53,603 and then drove over to Oak Cliff with the Crickets to buy his first motorcycle. 122 00:07:53,647 --> 00:07:57,607 So, Oak Cliff was cranking out creative types and criminals. 123 00:07:57,651 --> 00:07:59,957 It was an interesting dichotomy. 124 00:08:00,001 --> 00:08:02,873 In the 1960s, most of us sat glued to our TV sets 125 00:08:02,917 --> 00:08:05,223 to watch shows like Shindig, 126 00:08:05,267 --> 00:08:08,836 Hullabaloo or Dick Clark's Where the Action Is. 127 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:10,751 We went to the movie theaters to see The Beatles 128 00:08:10,794 --> 00:08:14,102 inA Hard Day's Night orThe T.A.M.I. Show. 129 00:08:14,145 --> 00:08:17,584 Mainly, we wanted to be anywhere else but where we were. 130 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:19,803 It seemed as if all the action and excitement 131 00:08:19,847 --> 00:08:21,892 was happening out in Southern California 132 00:08:21,936 --> 00:08:25,287 or New York City where everything was cool. 133 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:27,594 We felt like we were missing out on something. 134 00:08:27,637 --> 00:08:30,292 And because we couldn't get there, we did the next best thing. 135 00:08:31,206 --> 00:08:33,121 We went to teen clubs. 136 00:08:33,164 --> 00:08:34,688 I went to this church 137 00:08:34,731 --> 00:08:37,865 called Glen Oaks Methodist Church on Polk Street. 138 00:08:37,908 --> 00:08:41,303 And they would have sock hops on Friday and Saturday nights 139 00:08:41,346 --> 00:08:43,348 to try to keep us off the streets. 140 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:45,829 And so, they would have these bands come in, 141 00:08:45,873 --> 00:08:48,571 of all high school bands from Oak Cliff. 142 00:08:49,093 --> 00:08:52,357 And so there was a guy named Seab Meador in one of the bands, 143 00:08:52,401 --> 00:08:54,882 Danny Sanchez was in one of the bands, 144 00:08:54,925 --> 00:08:57,711 Stevie Ray Vaughan was in one of the bands. 145 00:08:57,754 --> 00:08:59,147 Jimmie Vaughan was in one of the bands. 146 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:01,802 So, all these famous guitar players then, 147 00:09:01,845 --> 00:09:05,196 they were even notable back then-- is we were kids. 148 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,069 If somebody was famous a couple of years older than you, it was a big deal. 149 00:09:08,112 --> 00:09:09,810 We were too young to go out 150 00:09:09,853 --> 00:09:12,421 and go to any of the grown-up clubs, so to speak. 151 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:14,597 You know, the ones that served alcohol, you just couldn't get in. 152 00:09:14,989 --> 00:09:18,340 So, these were places in Oak Cliff where teenagers could come 153 00:09:18,383 --> 00:09:22,213 and have a good time, and dance and listen to music. 154 00:09:22,257 --> 00:09:24,259 And of course, instead of having deejays then, 155 00:09:24,302 --> 00:09:27,001 we would have live bands or combos of, you know, 156 00:09:27,044 --> 00:09:30,308 little bands that-- garage bands that kids in the neighborhood put together. 157 00:09:30,352 --> 00:09:32,659 And those that had gotten good would play at these places, 158 00:09:32,702 --> 00:09:35,226 and would play at the school sock hops, and we would play it, 159 00:09:35,923 --> 00:09:40,057 at Candy's Flare, we'd play the church dances and things like that. 160 00:09:40,101 --> 00:09:43,539 During the week on Fridays, Stockard, where Jimmie went at the time, 161 00:09:44,148 --> 00:09:49,632 had a sock hop in the gym, 7:00 in the morning every Friday, 10 cents, 162 00:09:49,676 --> 00:09:53,941 you can ask Jimmie. He says, "It's the cheapest 10-cents dance in town." 163 00:09:53,984 --> 00:09:57,422 [narrator] Dallas even produced its own version of American Bandstand, 164 00:09:57,466 --> 00:10:01,818 a weekly dance show broadcast live from North Park Mall calledSump'n Else. 165 00:10:02,514 --> 00:10:04,299 These are the Five Americans with "Western Union," 166 00:10:04,342 --> 00:10:05,735 would you join me in a welcome 167 00:10:05,779 --> 00:10:07,563 for our own Five Americans, here they are. 168 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:09,260 [applause] 169 00:10:12,742 --> 00:10:14,178 [music playing] 170 00:10:25,015 --> 00:10:29,106 ♪ Things went wrong today And bad news came my way ♪ 171 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:33,676 ♪ I woke up to find That I had blew my mind ♪ 172 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,375 [narrator] In short, there was a huge scene going on in Dallas and Fort Worth, 173 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:40,727 but you would have never known it unless you lived there. 174 00:10:40,770 --> 00:10:44,469 The Internet, cell phones, Facebook, texting, 175 00:10:44,513 --> 00:10:46,950 and social media had not been invented yet, 176 00:10:46,994 --> 00:10:50,171 so going viral was out of the question. 177 00:10:50,214 --> 00:10:53,348 All that we had to spread the word were landline phones, 178 00:10:53,391 --> 00:10:55,480 and most of us only had one phone at home 179 00:10:55,524 --> 00:10:58,875 that we had to share with our parents. 180 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:02,923 The entire teen club phenomenon was our version of Facebook. 181 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:05,099 This was how you met girls. 182 00:11:05,142 --> 00:11:06,753 You had to get out of your house, 183 00:11:06,796 --> 00:11:08,929 go to wherever the kids were meeting up, 184 00:11:08,972 --> 00:11:11,714 and walk up to a girl and ask her to dance. 185 00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:13,411 You couldn't do it on the Internet. 186 00:11:13,455 --> 00:11:15,936 You had to get off your couch and do it. 187 00:11:15,979 --> 00:11:18,678 But because we were all too young to drive, 188 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:20,897 we had to have our parents drive us to the club, 189 00:11:20,941 --> 00:11:24,553 and then hopefully drop us off and pick us up. 190 00:11:24,596 --> 00:11:27,599 [Connie] A lot of them had station wagons, so they could pile in 191 00:11:27,643 --> 00:11:31,342 a lot of kids and take them to Oak Cliff Country Club or to the sock hops 192 00:11:31,386 --> 00:11:34,606 at Glen Oaks Methodist Church or to Candy's Flare. 193 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:39,481 And I personally begged my aunt to take me 194 00:11:39,524 --> 00:11:44,965 whenever I knew Stevie was going to be playing or Jimmie. 195 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:46,706 [narrator] It was into this rock and roll wave 196 00:11:46,749 --> 00:11:48,533 that an 11-year-old kid in Oak Cliff 197 00:11:48,577 --> 00:11:51,798 got a rather unlikely introduction to the guitar. 198 00:11:51,841 --> 00:11:53,495 My friend at school told me, 199 00:11:53,538 --> 00:11:57,020 he said, "If you want to get a girlfriend 200 00:11:57,499 --> 00:12:00,067 or be popular with the girls, you're going to have to play football." 201 00:12:01,329 --> 00:12:03,113 Said, "There's just no way around it." 202 00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:05,376 He said, "Look at all these guys, this is what they do." 203 00:12:05,942 --> 00:12:07,988 And he said, "Nobody really cares about football. 204 00:12:08,031 --> 00:12:11,687 They just want a girlfriend." I was like, "Okay, that's sounds like me." 205 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:16,344 [chuckles] You know? So, I went to football practice and, uh... 206 00:12:16,953 --> 00:12:18,912 uh, the guy said, "What do you want to go out for?" 207 00:12:18,955 --> 00:12:20,565 And I said, "Well, I don't know." 208 00:12:20,609 --> 00:12:23,220 I didn't really play football, but I went anyway. 209 00:12:23,264 --> 00:12:25,527 So, they called my name. Finally. 210 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:29,487 I'm the last guy, they call my name and I have to go out for a pass. 211 00:12:30,227 --> 00:12:33,535 So, I mysteriously catch this pass, 212 00:12:34,144 --> 00:12:36,625 and all the football players jumped on me, 213 00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:39,889 tackled me, and I broke my collarbone, 214 00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:45,460 first day, first practice. 215 00:12:45,503 --> 00:12:47,114 And so I had to go to the doctor, 216 00:12:47,157 --> 00:12:50,421 and they put one of those slings on-- 217 00:12:50,465 --> 00:12:52,423 they called 'em a wingie. 218 00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:54,208 So I was at home for three months, 219 00:12:54,251 --> 00:12:57,167 and my dad got a guitar for 50 bucks 220 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,388 and gave to me. It had three strings on it. 221 00:13:00,431 --> 00:13:01,911 It was about like this one. 222 00:13:03,826 --> 00:13:07,134 He said, "Here, I don't know what we're going to do with you for three months." 223 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:11,834 But he said, "Here, play this, maybe this will keep you out of trouble." 224 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:13,923 And I've been playing guitar ever since. 225 00:13:13,967 --> 00:13:17,274 The first thing I learned was-- instead of going like this... 226 00:13:20,582 --> 00:13:21,888 ...which is what everybody wants to learn 227 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:23,759 when they first start, if you're a kid. 228 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:26,109 Back then in the fifties. I did it backwards. 229 00:13:26,153 --> 00:13:28,111 I didn't know, and I went... 230 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,552 and so like the first couple of days, I was like, I was like, "Damn!" 231 00:13:35,118 --> 00:13:37,294 I was thinking, "Man, I'm going to make records and everything." 232 00:13:37,729 --> 00:13:40,341 So, I started getting pretty good on the guitar. 233 00:13:40,863 --> 00:13:43,300 And so, in the meantime, 234 00:13:43,344 --> 00:13:46,869 my dad gave my uncle 50 bucks for an electric guitar. 235 00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:50,264 It had one pickup. It was a three-quarter Gibson, 236 00:13:51,613 --> 00:13:53,267 no cutaways, 237 00:13:53,310 --> 00:13:56,879 and that was my guitar for a couple of years. 238 00:13:57,401 --> 00:14:01,536 My dad knew that I needed a real fancy electric guitar. 239 00:14:01,579 --> 00:14:04,495 So, he said, "Come on, son, look, we're going to get you a new guitar today." 240 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,412 I said, "All right." So, we went down to McCord's Music, 241 00:14:08,456 --> 00:14:12,155 I think it was. Downtown Dallas. 242 00:14:12,199 --> 00:14:14,854 He said-- we went in there and he goes, "Which one do you want?" 243 00:14:15,550 --> 00:14:17,900 I said, "Well, I like those up there." 244 00:14:17,944 --> 00:14:20,729 You know, there was a Gretsch or something. 245 00:14:21,686 --> 00:14:24,341 So they got it down and I played it and everything. 246 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:29,433 And so, my dad tells the guy, "Come on, let's go back here and sign up for it." 247 00:14:30,130 --> 00:14:33,002 So, they went back there, and they turned his credit down. 248 00:14:35,091 --> 00:14:36,092 And so... 249 00:14:38,051 --> 00:14:41,706 You know, it wasn't a big deal to me, but it was-- he was embarrassed. 250 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:44,709 So, we went-- we just went to another place, 251 00:14:44,753 --> 00:14:46,755 and we went to Arnold and Morgan Music, 252 00:14:47,277 --> 00:14:50,585 which was the big music store out in Garland. 253 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:54,067 And we went in there. 254 00:14:54,589 --> 00:14:58,158 They had a whole row of Telecasters. 255 00:14:58,506 --> 00:15:01,335 They said, "What color do you want?" 256 00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:05,513 And they had a whole row of used Stratocasters, everything. 257 00:15:06,557 --> 00:15:08,820 And so I got a Gibson 330, brand new. 258 00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:10,866 I picked out a brand new one, 259 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:15,958 and they signed him up, and I had it. I was on my way. 260 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:19,701 [narrator] When he first started playing the guitar, his musical taste reflected 261 00:15:19,744 --> 00:15:22,486 what was going on in Dallas at the time. 262 00:15:22,530 --> 00:15:25,533 While Nashville had its country sounds, and Memphis had Elvis, 263 00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:28,536 Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash, 264 00:15:28,579 --> 00:15:30,755 Dallas had a blend of Black blues and country, 265 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:32,801 or what was commonly called, "Hillbilly." 266 00:15:33,628 --> 00:15:37,632 And my mother's brothers all played in country and Western bands. 267 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:42,811 They liked Merle Travis, Hank Thompson, and all that kind of stuff. 268 00:15:43,638 --> 00:15:45,727 That was rock and roll in the early '50s. 269 00:15:46,032 --> 00:15:47,947 There was all kind of music around the house, 270 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:51,951 on the radio and on the record player. 271 00:15:51,994 --> 00:15:55,650 So, later on, I'm in several bands with Paul Ray over the years. 272 00:15:56,303 --> 00:16:00,089 Paul Ray says, "Hey, tonight T-Bone is playing at Guthrie's." 273 00:16:01,525 --> 00:16:07,575 That was on there on the river, Trinity River area, down there in the bottoms. 274 00:16:07,618 --> 00:16:09,490 Oak Cliff was dry back then. 275 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:12,014 Everybody had to go over the river to get booze, 276 00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:14,147 and there was a lot of clubs right there, 277 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:17,063 liquor stores and clubs for a mile. 278 00:16:18,803 --> 00:16:25,767 And so, that's where I saw T-Bone Walker at Guthrie's, and Paul Ray took me. 279 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:28,988 I already had his records and heard about him, 280 00:16:29,031 --> 00:16:30,554 but I'd never seen him in person. 281 00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:34,602 So, that was a big milestone. 282 00:16:36,082 --> 00:16:37,735 Seeing all these guys 283 00:16:37,779 --> 00:16:42,044 and understanding that you were in a place 284 00:16:42,088 --> 00:16:46,744 where a lot of that music came from and was from there 285 00:16:46,788 --> 00:16:51,662 was very, um, empowering and exciting, 286 00:16:51,706 --> 00:16:55,057 you know, to be from Dallas. 287 00:16:55,101 --> 00:16:56,537 [guitar playing] 288 00:17:02,673 --> 00:17:04,980 [narrator] Oak Cliff was in on this wave. 289 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:08,244 It also gave birth to the first top 40 radio station in the country, 290 00:17:08,288 --> 00:17:11,943 KLIF 1190, on your AM dial. 291 00:17:11,987 --> 00:17:17,427 [Connie] I mean, it was huge, and everybody knew where KLIF was down in downtown Dallas. 292 00:17:17,471 --> 00:17:22,476 You know, that really unique triangle shaped building. 293 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:24,782 [narrator] And as a hundred thousand watt AM station, 294 00:17:24,826 --> 00:17:29,483 it could be heard as far away as Midland, Texas and Louisiana. 295 00:17:29,526 --> 00:17:32,747 But one of the most popular radio programs for white kids in Dallas 296 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:36,620 was Jim Lowe'sKat's Karavan on WRR. 297 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:39,319 For a whole generation of Dallas baby boomers, 298 00:17:39,362 --> 00:17:42,365 this program was their introduction to R&B 299 00:17:42,409 --> 00:17:45,064 or "race music," as it was called back then. 300 00:17:45,412 --> 00:17:47,240 [Jimmie] Kats Karavan. 301 00:17:47,283 --> 00:17:49,894 I'd listen to that every night, it came on at 10:00, 302 00:17:49,938 --> 00:17:51,809 I think it was. For an hour. 303 00:17:51,853 --> 00:17:53,376 And he would play Jimmy Reed 304 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:58,338 and Lightnin' Hopkins and... different people. 305 00:17:58,381 --> 00:18:03,560 And then I'd switch it over to WLAC, Nashville would come in. 306 00:18:03,604 --> 00:18:07,303 The Hoss Man, and then later on after that, 307 00:18:08,391 --> 00:18:11,742 it would be Wolfman would come in late at night. 308 00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:16,312 So... and that was all on my little transistor radio, which was under my pillow. 309 00:18:16,878 --> 00:18:20,838 Click! You just click it on, and you could hear it but nobody else could hear it. 310 00:18:21,709 --> 00:18:23,493 'Cause you're supposed to be asleep, right? 311 00:18:23,537 --> 00:18:25,626 [narrator] And one band that took up the idea 312 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:28,498 of white boys playing Black music was The Nightcaps. 313 00:18:28,542 --> 00:18:31,371 Jimmie Vaughan was an early fan. 314 00:18:31,414 --> 00:18:34,635 The Nightcaps was the first album that I bought with my own money. 315 00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:38,204 This is before I was in a band and went out and bought the Nightcaps, 316 00:18:38,595 --> 00:18:40,815 the whole album, because they had an album, you know. 317 00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:43,513 "Wine, Wine, Wine." 318 00:18:43,557 --> 00:18:47,822 ♪ I'm drinking wine, wine Fine wine all the time ♪ 319 00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:51,086 [song continues] 320 00:18:53,175 --> 00:18:57,397 And it was all drinkin' songs pretty much, and blues. 321 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,750 It was T-Bone Walker, Jimmy Reed, and Lazy Lester-type songs, 322 00:19:02,793 --> 00:19:06,145 but done by a rock and roll band. 323 00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:08,321 [narrator] It wasn't long before Jimmie was learning songs, 324 00:19:08,364 --> 00:19:11,889 not just by The Nightcaps but other performers. 325 00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:14,283 This was decades before instructional YouTube 326 00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:18,113 guitar videos or even the VHS tape. 327 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:20,898 Back then, if we wanted to learn to play guitar, 328 00:19:20,942 --> 00:19:23,553 we signed up for lessons at the YMCA, 329 00:19:23,597 --> 00:19:26,948 but they didn't teach us "Sunshine of Your Love" or "Purple Haze." 330 00:19:26,991 --> 00:19:29,516 To play the songs you heard on the radio, 331 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:33,433 you had to either learn them by trial and error or have a friend show you. 332 00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:36,305 It wasn't easy. 333 00:19:36,349 --> 00:19:39,917 You had to have talent, you had to practice. 334 00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:42,659 It was hard, and so few made it. 335 00:19:43,486 --> 00:19:47,229 I knew Johnny Peebles. 336 00:19:47,273 --> 00:19:52,495 Johnny Peebles was the hot guitar player in Oak Cliff, 337 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:55,281 and he was playing all around. 338 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:59,981 He was probably 17 or 18, and he had a gig, 339 00:20:00,024 --> 00:20:05,029 he had a Stratocaster and an Epiphone, and he was a badass. 340 00:20:05,073 --> 00:20:08,729 He showed me how to play all this stuff. 341 00:20:19,696 --> 00:20:22,699 See, if you know that, then, uh... 342 00:20:24,614 --> 00:20:26,486 you can run away from home. No. 343 00:20:26,529 --> 00:20:30,011 I learned how listening to a Jimmy Reed record. 344 00:20:30,054 --> 00:20:32,448 You know, one day my dad had a guitar already, 345 00:20:32,492 --> 00:20:34,972 and I'd lay it in my lap, you know, like this, 346 00:20:35,016 --> 00:20:38,367 and I'll be seeing where to put my fingers, and I finally get it. 347 00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:41,065 And one day I said, "Well, if I'm really going to play, 348 00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:44,286 I need to hold it up like this and try to do it like this," you know? 349 00:20:44,895 --> 00:20:49,030 And so finally, you know, I got it all down, 350 00:20:49,073 --> 00:20:53,774 -[producer] Play a blues lick. -Oh, boy, it's been a long time, you know. 351 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,354 -You know. -The first song I learned 352 00:21:08,397 --> 00:21:12,227 was from my stepbrother, Bruce, which was "Pipeline." 353 00:21:40,081 --> 00:21:42,823 It was just osmosis. I mean, it was just being in the room. 354 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:45,304 It was going to those sock hops, it was going to Candy's Flare, 355 00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:47,001 it was going to Twilight Roller Rink, 356 00:21:47,044 --> 00:21:49,917 and just-- you'd watch what somebody else did, 357 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,660 then you'd go home, and you'd get the record, and you'd just wear it out. 358 00:21:53,703 --> 00:21:58,229 You'd get a new B.B. King album, and you'd just-- the album would just skip, 359 00:21:58,273 --> 00:22:01,624 'cause you'd move the needle back to get the lick so many times, you know? 360 00:22:01,668 --> 00:22:05,585 So, I would just sit, and I would listen with my ears and try to learn the lick. 361 00:22:05,889 --> 00:22:08,196 And so, most of us were self-taught. 362 00:22:08,239 --> 00:22:11,068 And then when we would rehearse, because you were so young, 363 00:22:11,112 --> 00:22:15,464 there were kind of a rehearsal/learning session, 364 00:22:15,508 --> 00:22:17,597 like somebody would know something and they'd show it to you, 365 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,556 and you'd know something and show it to the guy next to you. It was fun. 366 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,384 Here's the thing about a guitar player, 367 00:22:22,428 --> 00:22:24,168 whatever you play, to a great degree, 368 00:22:24,212 --> 00:22:26,432 it's going to sound like you sound. 369 00:22:26,475 --> 00:22:28,825 So much of your tone is in your hands. 370 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:34,309 So, Stevie sounded like the Stevie that we all grew to know and love, 371 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,920 even playing through this rig, you know. 372 00:22:47,757 --> 00:22:52,545 [Connie] They were both the most determined people I have ever met in my life. 373 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,157 I still believe that Jimmie and Stevie 374 00:22:56,592 --> 00:22:58,638 were born to be who they were going to be, 375 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:02,250 because they believed in practice made perfect, 376 00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:06,123 and they practiced. 377 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:09,300 [narrator] After learning a few songs, Jimmie Vaughan, Phil Campbell 378 00:23:09,344 --> 00:23:13,566 and Ronnie Sterling formed a trio, The Swinging Pendulums. 379 00:23:13,609 --> 00:23:17,831 Back then, the idea of playing records at a dance was considered lame. 380 00:23:17,874 --> 00:23:20,181 You had to have a live band to be cool. 381 00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:23,793 It was much more fun to hire, you know, a couple-- 382 00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:28,058 you know, three or four kids to come play a church party or a sock hop 383 00:23:28,102 --> 00:23:30,234 or something like that and pay them, whatever, 384 00:23:30,278 --> 00:23:32,280 ten or 15 bucks each and have them show up. 385 00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:34,064 And it was it was a boon to them. 386 00:23:34,108 --> 00:23:37,633 It was fun for the boys playing because you got the exposure. 387 00:23:37,677 --> 00:23:42,029 You were an early rock star and you have you had all your friends out there 388 00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:46,599 watching you who may or may not have known that you played guitar. 389 00:23:46,947 --> 00:23:52,996 So, it was exciting, and my primary reason was you got to meet girls. 390 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,738 [narrator] But there was just one problem for The Pendulums: 391 00:23:55,782 --> 00:23:57,348 They were all too young to drive, 392 00:23:57,392 --> 00:23:59,350 so they had to have their fathers do it. 393 00:24:00,177 --> 00:24:01,962 The three fathers would switch off, 394 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:07,968 or they would fight over who got to do it, or they would flip a coin, 395 00:24:08,795 --> 00:24:10,100 because, you know, they would be like, 396 00:24:10,144 --> 00:24:12,929 "Darn, I got to take the kids tonight. 397 00:24:13,539 --> 00:24:16,237 I'm sorry, honey." You know what I mean? 398 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,108 Vroom, you know? 399 00:24:18,152 --> 00:24:20,763 [narrator] Even though Dallas had hundreds of bands, 400 00:24:20,807 --> 00:24:23,766 there was a hierarchy to them with a few of the top commanding 401 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:26,682 premium prices and drawing the biggest crowds. 402 00:24:26,726 --> 00:24:30,773 And in Dallas, the hottest band in the 1960s was The Chessmen. 403 00:24:30,817 --> 00:24:32,862 When The Chessmen's lead guitar player, 404 00:24:32,906 --> 00:24:35,169 Robert Patton, drowned in an accident 405 00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:38,912 in White Rock Lake, an open audition was held for his replacement. 406 00:24:38,955 --> 00:24:45,092 He was in a fraternity, and his fraternity buddies and him were out in White Rock Lake 407 00:24:45,135 --> 00:24:47,573 real late at night or real early in the morning. 408 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:51,490 Robert was a good swimmer, but they were out on the lake. 409 00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:57,104 It was windy and the boom-- and it was cold, and wind blew one way and knocked 410 00:24:57,147 --> 00:25:00,890 Robert out the boat, the boom, the sail did, and then it blew the other way. 411 00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:05,286 Pulled him away. And of course, we were thinking, Robert's a good swimmer, 412 00:25:05,329 --> 00:25:09,029 he made it to the shore, but it was too cold. 413 00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:13,250 [narrator] A 14-year-old Jimmie Vaughan came in and blew everyone away. 414 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:17,472 I remember when I asked him to come down there, he said, "Wow, I play with y'all?" 415 00:25:17,864 --> 00:25:20,562 I said, "Yeah." So, he says, "Are you sure?" I said, "Yeah." 416 00:25:20,606 --> 00:25:24,958 So, we went down-- I remember going to Louanns 417 00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:27,787 and coming in, and he got up there 418 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,920 probably two in the afternoon we got there to try him out. 419 00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:34,358 -And he worked out right. Yeah. -Yeah. 420 00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:38,014 He played everything that we already knew, you know. 421 00:25:38,058 --> 00:25:41,322 [narrator] Jimmie got the gig, but he was still too young to drive, 422 00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:43,977 so the band members had to be his driver, 423 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:46,022 picking him up for their shows and taking him home 424 00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:49,069 around 2:00 a.m. after the clubs closed. 425 00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:52,159 I'd pick him up or some of his friends that had a license would bring him. 426 00:25:52,202 --> 00:25:54,857 Well, but now we had-- back then 427 00:25:54,901 --> 00:25:58,208 we had a black '50 model Cadillac hearse, that was our band wagon. 428 00:25:58,252 --> 00:25:59,949 And we'd go by and pick up Jimmie. 429 00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:04,824 He was right off to Illinois and Hampton, in Oak Cliff. 430 00:26:05,259 --> 00:26:07,087 And this is the ironic thing. 431 00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:10,960 Now, Johnny said this, and I never saw it but he said 432 00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:14,747 Stevie Ray would stand out on the front porch and cry when we left. 433 00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:17,358 In an interview he had with somebody, he said, 434 00:26:17,401 --> 00:26:19,708 "When they left with Jimmie, I'd do one or two things, 435 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:21,536 I'd either stand on the front porch and cry 436 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,146 or go in and practice like crazy." 437 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:25,148 Yeah, well, my parents would take me sometime 438 00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:26,585 when I lost my license, 439 00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:28,848 and we'd drive over there to pick Jimmie up, 440 00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:30,893 and they'd take us where we need to go, 441 00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:33,156 and Stevie would be running out to the car. 442 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,029 And then Jimmie would-- at one time that I know of-- 443 00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:38,988 would chase him back up to the porch and run and get in the car and take off. 444 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,992 Stevie wanted to go. We should've let him go, you know? 445 00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:45,865 If he didn't have a brother, Jimmie-- Stevie would have played. 446 00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,389 I do think that if the fact that he had a brother 447 00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:52,611 that played like Jimmie, it opened the doors, 448 00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:57,050 it's like the sparrow and the eagle, like, he got to experience 449 00:26:58,138 --> 00:27:00,183 music on a really potent level 450 00:27:00,227 --> 00:27:03,230 at an early-- as a really young kid because of his brother. 451 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:06,450 We knew Jimmie from The Chessmen. 452 00:27:06,494 --> 00:27:09,976 When I had the Moving Sidewalks out of Houston, 453 00:27:10,498 --> 00:27:14,676 The Chessmen had started their thing up north Texas and Dallas. 454 00:27:15,503 --> 00:27:19,333 And Jimmie was leading the charge. 455 00:27:19,376 --> 00:27:23,467 We admired what they were doing to the point where 456 00:27:23,772 --> 00:27:27,254 if we had a night off and they were playing, we'd seek them out. 457 00:27:27,297 --> 00:27:30,692 [narrator] Without question, the two most revered guitar players of the 1960s 458 00:27:30,736 --> 00:27:33,347 were Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton. 459 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:36,306 They completely changed the idea of what a guitar could do. 460 00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:39,614 Now the front man wasn't the singer on the microphone. 461 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:42,748 It was the guy who could make his guitar talk. 462 00:27:42,791 --> 00:27:45,751 Like every other budding guitar player from that era, 463 00:27:45,794 --> 00:27:49,537 both Jimmie and Stevie idolized Hendrix and Clapton. 464 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:51,278 And one night, Jimmie Vaughan and The Chessmen 465 00:27:51,321 --> 00:27:53,497 got a chance to open up for Hendrix 466 00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:54,890 at his Dallas concert. 467 00:27:56,109 --> 00:28:00,722 Hendrix, his road man-- his gear guy, 468 00:28:00,766 --> 00:28:03,159 he said that he'd busted his Wah-Wah pedal. 469 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:07,555 So, they came to me, and I had a brand-new Vox Wah-Wah pedal, 470 00:28:07,598 --> 00:28:09,339 which cost-- I can't remember 471 00:28:09,383 --> 00:28:13,343 if it was $29 or $17, but it was something like that. 472 00:28:14,431 --> 00:28:20,786 And they said, "Look, Jimi has busted his pedal. 473 00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:24,267 If you let us use yours, we'll give you his old one. 474 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:27,967 And I'll give you 25 bucks." Which is more than I paid for it, 475 00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:31,710 you know, or 50 bucks or something like that, 476 00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:36,932 because we can't go to the music store on a Saturday, you know. 477 00:28:36,976 --> 00:28:39,848 So, that was what the real story was. 478 00:28:39,892 --> 00:28:41,894 And then of course the legend has it that... 479 00:28:43,591 --> 00:28:47,290 we traded Wah Wah pedals or something, you know, something ridiculous. 480 00:28:47,334 --> 00:28:51,381 But what it was was they just wanted mine 'cause they didn't have one. 481 00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:54,950 And so they gave me 50 bucks and his old DeArmond, 482 00:28:54,994 --> 00:28:58,475 which wasn't any good... for that, you know? 483 00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:02,653 -[producer] You still have that pedal? -I think I do, yeah. 484 00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:06,919 But, I mean, you can't tell that it's anything, you know, 485 00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:10,487 you can go on eBay and buy 15 of them, you know? [chuckles] 486 00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:16,015 [Tommy] All I can say is Hendrix, and Noel Redding, and Mitch Mitchell, 487 00:29:16,058 --> 00:29:18,017 they were all three real nice guys. 488 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:20,323 I mean, I was really kind of shocked, 489 00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:24,240 and, uh-- but, uh-- and they were nice, 490 00:29:24,284 --> 00:29:27,330 and I want to say something here 491 00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:31,726 and it's gonna sound crazy, but I honestly think that night, 492 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,991 we were louder than they were, but they were a lot better than we were. 493 00:29:36,035 --> 00:29:38,994 But they were-- they were playing out of two Sun amps-- 494 00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:40,604 Our volume covers that up, right? 495 00:29:40,648 --> 00:29:42,345 Yeah, the volume covers our stuff, 496 00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:44,304 our mess ups, you know, but honestly, 497 00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:47,524 we had more sound equipment on the stage. 498 00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:51,224 But then our booking agent worked this out, Jimmie Vaughan and I flew 499 00:29:51,267 --> 00:29:55,532 with Jimi Hendrix and his band from Love Field to Houston. 500 00:29:56,229 --> 00:29:58,492 I mean, our booking agent got that, and that was so cool. 501 00:29:58,535 --> 00:30:00,363 But what do you talk to Jimi Hendrix 502 00:30:00,407 --> 00:30:03,105 on an airplane about? I just kind of, "Uh..." 503 00:30:03,149 --> 00:30:06,456 [narrator] Jimmie Vaughan and Billy Gibbons had something in common now. 504 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:12,723 They had both met Jimi Hendrix, but the admiration and respect went deeper than that. 505 00:30:14,987 --> 00:30:16,902 Houston had this place called The Catacombs, 506 00:30:16,945 --> 00:30:20,253 and it was pretty nice, big stage, two stages, actually. 507 00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:23,256 They had a big room, and a small room, and... 508 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:27,477 The Chessmen and The Moving Sidewalks played a Friday 509 00:30:27,521 --> 00:30:31,481 and a Saturday night together, and we just had a blast. 510 00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:33,396 It was really, really something. 511 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,746 I've known Billy since I was 15, 512 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,576 and The Chessmen would go down and play in Houston, 513 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:44,625 and Billy Gibbons would be on the same bill with us sometimes at The Catacombs, 514 00:30:45,278 --> 00:30:48,194 which was a club that we used to play down there. 515 00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:54,287 And we actually did one gig where they said, "Jimmie Vaughan from Dallas 516 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:58,465 meets Billy Gibbons from Houston on the same stage." 517 00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:01,207 And so, one of us was on each side of the stage, 518 00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:04,253 and we were supposed to battle it out, you know, and everything. 519 00:31:04,297 --> 00:31:07,474 It was a big, sold-out deal, you know? 520 00:31:07,517 --> 00:31:10,042 [Johnny] I broke my Epiphone in half that night, so... 521 00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:12,392 -So, was that the night? -Yeah, I was playing on the keyboard, 522 00:31:12,435 --> 00:31:15,264 and we were doing some kind of Who song, you know, 523 00:31:15,308 --> 00:31:17,614 where they broke all their equipment, and I... 524 00:31:18,572 --> 00:31:21,618 my guitar, I slid it off and I was running up and down that organ. 525 00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:23,969 And then I looked down there and saw it, and I walked around the front 526 00:31:24,012 --> 00:31:26,667 and I took my foot and did that. And it did that. 527 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:31,367 And then I got on my knees, and I started, you know-- make a bunch of racket with it, 528 00:31:31,411 --> 00:31:35,458 you know, and this end of the neck right here laying over here. 529 00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:37,852 [chuckles] So I broke that thing in half. 530 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:40,289 And then we all went back in the dressing room after that. 531 00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:42,988 And someone came in there, you know how they come backstage. 532 00:31:43,031 --> 00:31:46,600 -Yeah. -He says, "Y'all do that?" I said, "We do that every show." 533 00:31:46,643 --> 00:31:48,558 [narrator] Because he was staying out until 2:00 a.m. every night, 534 00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:50,996 he was missing school. 535 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,346 It finally reached a point where he decided to leave home 536 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:54,869 and chase his rock and roll dreams. 537 00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:59,004 Doyle Bramhall pulled into his driveway. 538 00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:03,182 Jimmie carried his things to the waiting car, and he was gone, 539 00:32:03,225 --> 00:32:06,576 leaving his family and younger brother Stevie behind. 540 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:11,494 I was making $300, $350 a week at 14. 541 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,457 That was big money in the mid '60s. 542 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,938 That was more money than my dad made at the time. 543 00:32:20,982 --> 00:32:23,985 And, um, it was kind of weird, you know, 544 00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:26,988 but all of a sudden, I could-- 545 00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:28,859 I could go down and sign up 546 00:32:28,903 --> 00:32:33,429 and get any guitar or any amp and I could go buy clothes. 547 00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:36,824 And I had an apartment, you know, and things like that. 548 00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:40,349 So I was, you know, in hog heaven, and all I had to do was play guitar, 549 00:32:40,393 --> 00:32:42,482 which is what I wanted to do, you know what I mean? 550 00:32:43,439 --> 00:32:46,616 And so, about that time, if you look at the old pictures, 551 00:32:47,052 --> 00:32:50,707 there's a picture of me playing a guitar like this with a flat top. 552 00:32:51,317 --> 00:32:53,797 And then Stevie is right there. 553 00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:57,279 He's got a toy guitar, but it had six strings, you know. 554 00:32:57,323 --> 00:33:01,022 We stood next to the stereo because it looked like we had speakers. 555 00:33:01,066 --> 00:33:02,937 If I did something, he would do it. 556 00:33:04,199 --> 00:33:06,985 Uh, guitar-wise. If I bring home a record, 557 00:33:07,028 --> 00:33:10,379 you know, he would watch me learn, so it was really the same. 558 00:33:10,423 --> 00:33:17,430 I put it down, and he would emulate that because, you know, there it was. 559 00:33:17,778 --> 00:33:22,087 When I ran off to be a musician, everything when I got in that band, 560 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:24,219 my parents kind of clamped down on him, 561 00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:30,312 because they didn't want him-- they knew that he would do the same thing I did, right? 562 00:33:30,356 --> 00:33:36,057 So all it did was jack him up more to even try harder 563 00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:40,366 because he had to beat me. It's the natural thing, right? 564 00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:45,240 If you're going to do something, you have to have the bar set. 565 00:33:45,284 --> 00:33:50,811 So... and so I saw him a few times because I didn't want to go home. 566 00:33:50,854 --> 00:33:54,641 [stammers] I was still afraid they would keep me. Right? 567 00:33:54,684 --> 00:33:58,775 [chuckles] And so, uh... 568 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:02,344 So they kind of clamped down on Stevie to make sure he wouldn't run away, too, 569 00:34:02,388 --> 00:34:05,347 which made him try harder and harder and harder. 570 00:34:05,391 --> 00:34:07,784 And so by the time he got out of high school, 571 00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:11,527 he was a bad motor scooter, you know, on the guitar. He was good. 572 00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:16,010 When I first heard him play away from one another, I couldn't see the connection. 573 00:34:16,706 --> 00:34:18,839 Because for me, 574 00:34:18,882 --> 00:34:22,234 uh, Stevie was Albert King. 575 00:34:23,017 --> 00:34:25,846 He was, you know, he... [stammers] 576 00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:29,632 it seemed like he was a protégé of Albert King, he played that way. 577 00:34:29,676 --> 00:34:32,896 And I thought, "These are two very, very different styles." 578 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:36,117 What I think you could be looking at is the fact that 579 00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:39,860 would-- would Stevie be playing at all? 580 00:34:39,903 --> 00:34:43,646 You know, and I think in a way, it was like, well, if you're gonna do it, 581 00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:45,431 I could probably do a better job 582 00:34:45,474 --> 00:34:48,347 it was definitely sibling rivalry, I think, going on. 583 00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:49,913 I don't know whether Jimmie would agree. 584 00:34:49,957 --> 00:34:52,046 Probably-- he probably would. 585 00:34:52,394 --> 00:34:56,703 And I think it's like, well, "Who's the fastest gun?" You know? 586 00:34:57,312 --> 00:35:03,275 So, in a way, it may have reinforced Jimmie's style of playing, too, 587 00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:09,150 to actually really ground that, or, you know, to keep it tight and fundamental 588 00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:13,459 while Stevie was going off into the atmosphere, you know. 589 00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:17,680 [Scott] I first met Stevie in my senior year at Kimball. 590 00:35:18,464 --> 00:35:22,120 He was two years behind me. He was a sophomore when I was a senior. 591 00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:26,080 And I had put together a horn band 592 00:35:26,428 --> 00:35:29,170 with a friend of mine named Jimmy Tremier, who was a saxophone player. 593 00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:33,609 And we were putting together a band in the same genre as Chicago 594 00:35:33,653 --> 00:35:36,699 and Blood, Sweat and Tears, which were hugely popular bands at the time. 595 00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:41,356 I was actually the guitar player for the band, and one Saturday 596 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,229 at rehearsal we realized we didn't-- 597 00:35:44,272 --> 00:35:45,882 well, we didn't have a bass player at all. 598 00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,189 And for one of these Saturday rehearsals, 599 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,322 I think it was one of the horn players said, 600 00:35:50,365 --> 00:35:53,847 "I know a kid that can come and play bass at rehearsal, 601 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:56,850 and if he's good, you know, then we'll keep him." 602 00:35:56,893 --> 00:36:01,376 So, this Saturday morning, this skinny, little 15-year-old kid shows up, 603 00:36:02,551 --> 00:36:05,598 brings his bass in, and we started rehearsing. 604 00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:08,601 We learned two or three songs, and of course, he was a good bass player. 605 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:13,127 And we took a break after we'd gone through about four or five songs. 606 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:15,521 We were all standing around outside smoking a cigarette or whatever. 607 00:36:15,956 --> 00:36:20,700 And this kid says, "Hey, Scott, do you mind if I play your guitar?" 608 00:36:20,743 --> 00:36:22,658 I said, "No, no, no, sure, go right ahead." 609 00:36:22,702 --> 00:36:25,618 You know, "Help yourself." Anyway, he walks over and picks up-- 610 00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:27,489 I was playing a Fender Telecaster at the time, 611 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:29,752 but he walked over and picked up my guitar 612 00:36:29,796 --> 00:36:32,190 and just proceeded to blow us all away. 613 00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:35,280 I mean, he just cleaned my clock as far as playing guitar. 614 00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:37,978 He was amazing. But that's who it was. 615 00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,110 It was Stevie Vaughan when he was 15 years old. 616 00:36:40,154 --> 00:36:42,156 And then after we heard him play guitar, 617 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,027 I immediately became the bass player. 618 00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:46,682 I walked over and took his bass and gave him my guitar 619 00:36:46,726 --> 00:36:50,077 and said, "You're now the guitar player, I'm bass player for the band." 620 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,733 The best advice I ever got-- two things that I got from Stevie, he said, 621 00:36:53,776 --> 00:36:57,998 "Always, when you're playing, play from your heart and soul." 622 00:36:58,041 --> 00:36:59,913 The mechanics are good, but if you can't play 623 00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:02,307 with your soul or from your heart-- that's where he came from. 624 00:37:02,350 --> 00:37:05,658 He played-- and another thing is for as far as the mechanical side, you know, 625 00:37:05,701 --> 00:37:07,616 because he had incredibly strong hands, 626 00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:09,139 I can remember watching him play 627 00:37:09,183 --> 00:37:10,532 and I would pick up a guitar and say, 628 00:37:10,576 --> 00:37:12,099 "Stevie, show me how to do that." 629 00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:14,232 And he would play these incredible licks. 630 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:16,016 I can't remember, but let's see... 631 00:37:22,501 --> 00:37:26,200 You know, something like that. And I would watch him when he was-- 632 00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:30,639 I couldn't get the concept down of how to stretch strings at the time. 633 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:33,860 And Stevie was-- to him, it was just, "This is how you do it." 634 00:37:33,903 --> 00:37:36,166 And he would just show it to me, and I would watch his fingers, 635 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,430 and I'd try to duplicate it. And there was just no way. 636 00:37:38,473 --> 00:37:43,696 But I asked him, I said, "How do you manage that? How did you get the string?" 637 00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:48,178 And he said, "Always, when you rehearse, when you practice by yourself, 638 00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:51,138 if you have an acoustic guitar, play an acoustic guitar, 639 00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:53,053 don't play your electric, play your acoustic 640 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:54,968 because it'll build up your hand strength." 641 00:37:55,882 --> 00:37:58,101 Well, when we were in high school, 642 00:37:58,145 --> 00:38:01,104 we heard about a project that a guy was doing, 643 00:38:01,496 --> 00:38:02,932 and it was called "A New High." 644 00:38:02,976 --> 00:38:05,021 It was a play on high school and getting high. 645 00:38:05,326 --> 00:38:09,025 And so we submitted a picture, 646 00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:13,203 and we wrote a bio and where we played and the whole thing, 647 00:38:13,247 --> 00:38:15,293 and you know, you're back to, once again, 648 00:38:15,336 --> 00:38:17,643 there was no Facebook, so it had to be public opinion. 649 00:38:17,686 --> 00:38:20,515 In other words, they would talk to two or three people. 650 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:21,951 I guess he had some sort of panel. 651 00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:23,823 And so, "Yeah, I saw them at Candy's Flare, 652 00:38:23,866 --> 00:38:25,694 I saw them at Glen Oak sock hop 653 00:38:25,738 --> 00:38:27,609 or Twilight Roller Rink," or whatever. 654 00:38:27,653 --> 00:38:29,698 So we were the band that was picked. It was called The Mint. 655 00:38:29,742 --> 00:38:33,746 That was the band I grew up in, and we were the band from Carter. 656 00:38:33,789 --> 00:38:36,662 Stevie was in a band called a Cast of Thousands, 657 00:38:36,705 --> 00:38:38,577 which he was the band from Kimble. 658 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,535 A good friend of mine, Mike McCollough was in it, 659 00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:43,190 and the character actor Steve Tobolowsky. 660 00:38:43,233 --> 00:38:47,020 Somehow Bobby, through his connections, whatever those were, 661 00:38:47,803 --> 00:38:50,415 got us this opportunity 662 00:38:50,893 --> 00:38:53,853 to record songs on this album. 663 00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:56,638 The album, which I happen to have right here, A New High. 664 00:38:57,683 --> 00:39:01,948 This is the real thing, and it's still sealed in plastic, 665 00:39:01,991 --> 00:39:04,690 which means it is collector quality. 666 00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:08,607 This is the first recording Stevie Ray Vaughan ever made. 667 00:39:09,259 --> 00:39:11,740 When we were brought into the studio, 668 00:39:11,784 --> 00:39:13,568 Bobby said he got this little kid, 669 00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,918 Stevie Vaughan, to play lead guitar for us. 670 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,312 He was 14 years old. 671 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,967 And I said, "Bobby, come on!" 672 00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:26,015 "I mean, why can't I play some guitar? You're bringing in a 14-year-old?" 673 00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:29,018 And Bobby said, "Well, he's actually really good, 674 00:39:29,062 --> 00:39:31,456 and he's going to make us sound like we know what we're doing." 675 00:39:32,021 --> 00:39:36,243 And Stevie was sitting on a metal folding chair 676 00:39:36,286 --> 00:39:39,159 with his Gibson with the double humbuck and pickups. 677 00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:42,728 Stevie said, "Well, what are you guys going to do? Let me hear a little bit of it." 678 00:39:42,771 --> 00:39:46,427 And we played like one measure. He says, "Okay, I got it." 679 00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,648 And so he kind of played along with us to begin with. 680 00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:57,177 And then the engineer said, "Well, Steve, we're ready, do you want to do a solo?" 681 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:00,398 And Stevie said, "Well, sure." So, Stevie said, 682 00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:05,228 "Do you want me to do one like Eric Clapton or Jimi Hendrix?" 683 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:07,709 And I said to Bobby, "Who's Jimi Hendrix?" 684 00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:10,103 And Bobby said, "Shut up, just shut up, man. Shut up. 685 00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:13,454 Just stand over there and pretend you're playing the guitar." 686 00:40:13,498 --> 00:40:16,588 And the guy said, "Your choice, man, do whatever you want." 687 00:40:16,631 --> 00:40:20,330 So, Stevie kind of threw his head back and went into this lead 688 00:40:20,853 --> 00:40:23,159 that was blistering. 689 00:40:23,203 --> 00:40:24,857 [Stevie playing guitar] 690 00:40:32,647 --> 00:40:36,259 On this album. Blistering back then at 14. 691 00:40:36,303 --> 00:40:38,479 [narrator] Now the younger brother was following 692 00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:41,917 in his older brother's footsteps. 693 00:40:41,961 --> 00:40:45,268 Dallas and Fort Worth had a circuit of nightclubs that needed bands. 694 00:40:45,312 --> 00:40:48,097 So, if you were good, you could find work. 695 00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:52,537 Arthur's was kind of the Playboy Club of Dallas. 696 00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:57,977 It was kind of low-key, dark, very moody place. 697 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,327 [stammers] But it was pretty cool 698 00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:05,201 because they enjoyed having live music, 699 00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:09,118 which was kind of unusual for that type of highbrow joint. 700 00:41:09,902 --> 00:41:14,646 But I remember Stevie was just getting his feet on the ground. 701 00:41:14,689 --> 00:41:19,041 He had started that group called Liberation. 702 00:41:19,085 --> 00:41:25,657 And later, ZZ Top got hired to play at that same place, Arthur's. 703 00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:28,790 And then Stevie repaid the favor. 704 00:41:28,834 --> 00:41:32,054 He dropped through, and we had him play a couple of numbers with us. 705 00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:35,101 It was a glorious couple of nights. 706 00:41:35,144 --> 00:41:36,972 That was a good scene. 707 00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:41,150 I guess that must have been 1970, '71. 708 00:41:41,194 --> 00:41:42,630 [narrator] Both Vaughan brothers were now 709 00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:44,153 in a sort of competition with the hottest 710 00:41:44,197 --> 00:41:46,199 guitar players in the southwest 711 00:41:46,242 --> 00:41:50,072 like Bugs Henderson, Mace Maben, Seab Meador. 712 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:56,296 Getting started on this crazy thing called 713 00:41:56,862 --> 00:41:58,428 getting in a band and making music, 714 00:41:58,472 --> 00:42:01,257 that was an entertaining excursion. 715 00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:06,045 There wasn't any blood, sweat, there was no toil. 716 00:42:06,088 --> 00:42:11,398 It was something that we enjoyed doing pre-Internet 717 00:42:12,138 --> 00:42:15,315 pre-MTV, pre-cell phone. 718 00:42:16,621 --> 00:42:20,450 It was basically word of mouth, and that is where it gets honest. 719 00:42:20,494 --> 00:42:23,584 Because if somebody came to see you then, 720 00:42:23,628 --> 00:42:25,934 you know, it's because they really made an effort to come. 721 00:42:25,978 --> 00:42:29,851 They didn't see something on Facebook or anything like this. 722 00:42:29,895 --> 00:42:34,987 I mean, they literally came to see you because they'd heard about you. 723 00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:38,164 They'd honestly heard about you through your reputation. 724 00:42:38,207 --> 00:42:41,863 [narrator] Without a record deal, they were unknown in L.A., New York, or Chicago, 725 00:42:41,907 --> 00:42:44,997 and it was almost like they were living on an island, 726 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,913 a very big island called Texas. 727 00:42:47,956 --> 00:42:52,657 And you can make a very good living just playing in Texas. 728 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:57,531 Back then, a record deal was considered the pinnacle of success in rock and roll. 729 00:42:57,575 --> 00:43:01,927 But the big record labels were only signing bands from New York or L.A. 730 00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:06,192 Bands like The Doors were getting discovered in a club on the Sunset Strip 731 00:43:06,235 --> 00:43:08,673 or The Young Rascals in New York City. 732 00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:13,460 They were signed to Elektra or Atlantic, major labels on both coasts. 733 00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:15,897 But in between was a huge area of America 734 00:43:15,941 --> 00:43:18,421 where the A&R men never ventured. 735 00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:22,382 You could only get on a record in one of the small local labels back then. 736 00:43:22,425 --> 00:43:26,821 They had some success with B.J. Thomas and Bruce Channel, 737 00:43:26,865 --> 00:43:28,736 but they didn't have the distribution or the clout 738 00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:31,739 of an RCA, Columbia, or Warner Brothers. 739 00:43:31,783 --> 00:43:34,046 Their sound or style from back then was loud, 740 00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:36,614 with a lot of distortion and some effects. 741 00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:41,096 Most of the rock stars played a Gibson Les Paul and relied on its sustain 742 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:44,056 to get those long, searing notes that held on forever. 743 00:43:52,717 --> 00:43:54,544 [note continues] 744 00:44:06,426 --> 00:44:08,384 -Still going. -[producer] Yeah. 745 00:44:08,428 --> 00:44:11,649 [Jimmie] Stratocasters are the coolest guitar they ever made 746 00:44:12,562 --> 00:44:14,652 because everything about it-- 747 00:44:14,695 --> 00:44:18,090 the way it looks, it looks like a combination-- 748 00:44:18,133 --> 00:44:21,310 You can't tell whether it's a lamp 749 00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:24,313 or a machine gun or a ray gun or a-- 750 00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:28,448 it's part ashtray. I mean, what is it? 751 00:44:28,491 --> 00:44:31,146 It's the wildest looking thing you've ever seen, isn't it? 752 00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:36,586 I mean, it's got horns, and it was just really trebly and cool. 753 00:44:37,196 --> 00:44:42,592 And so when you put it on, you feel special because it's so cool. 754 00:44:43,115 --> 00:44:46,292 And it will do anything that another guitar will do. 755 00:44:47,032 --> 00:44:49,817 And it's got a twang bar. It'll do stuff that, uh-- 756 00:44:49,861 --> 00:44:54,517 like Hendrix came out, and he would just dive the twang bar down, 757 00:44:54,561 --> 00:45:00,436 and, you know, pull on it, bash it, and do things you weren't supposed to do. 758 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,049 [narrator] But down in Texas, the guitar player that everybody was copying 759 00:45:04,092 --> 00:45:06,573 was the Texas Cannonball, Freddy King. 760 00:45:07,617 --> 00:45:12,840 Freddy King, um, was the first guitar player I heard 761 00:45:13,928 --> 00:45:19,629 bend a note and then even put a little vibrato on it. I'd never heard that before. 762 00:45:19,673 --> 00:45:24,199 In fact, Jackie and Freddy and I, we had the house band at the-- 763 00:45:24,243 --> 00:45:28,900 or the early band at the Chicken and the Basket Club where Freddy King would play. 764 00:45:30,249 --> 00:45:34,993 It's pretty cool. Freddy would show up in his Cadillac, would drive from Dallas. 765 00:45:35,036 --> 00:45:36,734 You know, his amp, you know, that tall-- 766 00:45:36,777 --> 00:45:38,910 and take up the whole back seat of his Cadillac 767 00:45:38,953 --> 00:45:42,261 and he'd drag that out and put it on stage and wail away 768 00:45:42,304 --> 00:45:44,350 with Little Al and The High Fives. 769 00:45:44,393 --> 00:45:47,745 So there was, you know, nothing like it, yeah? 770 00:45:47,788 --> 00:45:49,572 -[producer] Really. -[laughs] 771 00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:51,661 Well, Freddy King-- when I first started trying to play, 772 00:45:51,705 --> 00:45:56,797 before any of this British invasion stuff or any of that, I had, uh... 773 00:45:58,712 --> 00:46:03,717 I had The Nightcaps and Freddy King, you couldn't, uh-- 774 00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:07,939 you had to play "Hide Away" if you were in Dallas. 775 00:46:07,982 --> 00:46:10,289 If you got hired for a birthday party, 776 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:13,640 somebody was gonna come up and say, "Can you play Hide Away?" 777 00:46:14,859 --> 00:46:18,340 And if you can't play Hide Away, then you may not, 778 00:46:18,384 --> 00:46:21,126 you know, you may not last the rest of the night. 779 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:25,478 [Freddy King, "Hide Away"] 780 00:46:26,392 --> 00:46:28,350 I bought the single "Hide Away." 781 00:46:28,394 --> 00:46:30,657 Someone told me about "Hide Away," 782 00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:35,270 and I was playing "Hide Away" before I joined John Mayall. 783 00:46:35,314 --> 00:46:38,491 And so, that was it for me. [stammers] I started-- 784 00:46:38,534 --> 00:46:42,930 and then I had to get a Les Paul, you know, like Freddy's, 785 00:46:42,974 --> 00:46:48,283 and I found out a lot about why he sounded like he did from playing that guitar. 786 00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:53,462 So he was instrumental in me learning how to play the guitar. 787 00:46:53,506 --> 00:46:55,856 When I was growing up, I was in that band, Lynx, 788 00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:59,817 and we-- for a couple of months we had this Sunday night gig, 789 00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:01,862 Burger Night at Mother Blues. 790 00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:04,604 You pay cover and you eat all the burgers you wanted. 791 00:47:04,952 --> 00:47:08,608 And I'll never forget, Freddy would come in there and he had a girl on each arm, 792 00:47:08,651 --> 00:47:10,784 and he'd sit down in front of me. And I remember one night 793 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:12,960 he sat down right in front of me, literally right in front of me, 794 00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:15,963 he looked up and he goes, "Impress me, boy." 795 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:19,488 Yeah, that's a bit intimidating, you know? 796 00:47:19,532 --> 00:47:24,058 [narrator] Freddy King's style of blues was different than Muddy Waters or B.B. King. 797 00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:27,453 It was what came to be known as the Texas Roadhouse Blues, 798 00:47:27,496 --> 00:47:30,586 more up tempo and driven. 799 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:33,372 Texas guitar players like Steve Miller and the Vaughan brothers 800 00:47:33,415 --> 00:47:37,028 flocked to his shows to absorb King's style 801 00:47:37,071 --> 00:47:40,248 and in turn use it on their songs. 802 00:47:40,292 --> 00:47:45,123 This brought a whole different style in Texas than they played in New York or L.A. 803 00:47:45,166 --> 00:47:47,560 And it was what some called "Blue-Eyed Soul" 804 00:47:47,603 --> 00:47:50,432 or white boys playing the Black man's music. 805 00:47:50,476 --> 00:47:53,087 But it was really taking the Black roots of rock and roll 806 00:47:53,131 --> 00:47:56,395 and making it palatable for white college kids. 807 00:47:56,438 --> 00:47:59,572 You can hear it in the early songs of The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin. 808 00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:04,577 At the height of his success, Jimmie became a father. 809 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:07,449 His then girlfriend, Donna Powers, became pregnant, 810 00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:10,888 and Jimmie got married at the age of 18. 811 00:48:10,931 --> 00:48:13,020 Jimmie's marriage was followed by a desire 812 00:48:13,064 --> 00:48:16,110 to drop the British rock and roll sounds of Cream, 813 00:48:16,154 --> 00:48:19,026 Led Zeppelin, and the Yardbirds, and return to the blues 814 00:48:19,070 --> 00:48:22,073 and hillbilly music he grew up with. 815 00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:25,641 But at the same time, Dallas was not the most hospitable city 816 00:48:25,685 --> 00:48:27,774 for a long-haired rock and roll guitar player. 817 00:48:28,601 --> 00:48:32,866 This idea that Dallas was a hotbed of extremism certainly is accurate. 818 00:48:33,475 --> 00:48:36,000 This is the city that had come out of having the Klu Klux Klan 819 00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:39,220 here in the 1920s, one of the largest chapters in the country. 820 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:45,400 In fact, in 1960, the Mayor of Dallas, R.L. Thornton, was a former Klansman. 821 00:48:45,444 --> 00:48:48,795 [narrator] Austin, Texas, a college town only about 180 miles 822 00:48:48,838 --> 00:48:52,320 south down the road, was a bit more tolerant of creative types. 823 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,022 When I lived in Dallas, they didn't want you playin' blues. 824 00:48:58,065 --> 00:49:01,851 They wanted the stuff that was on the radio. So, if you wanted to get a gig, 825 00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:05,246 you had to play what was on the radio or something like it. 826 00:49:07,292 --> 00:49:09,511 And so-- and down here 827 00:49:09,555 --> 00:49:12,123 they had, you know, weird bands, like... 828 00:49:13,472 --> 00:49:16,562 Beatnik bands, and they had The Conqueroo, 829 00:49:16,605 --> 00:49:18,868 and they had The 13th Floor Elevators, 830 00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:22,829 and then The Vulcan Gas Company, we had places like that. 831 00:49:22,872 --> 00:49:27,355 So I figured if they would let them play, 832 00:49:27,399 --> 00:49:29,227 they would let me play blues. 833 00:49:30,445 --> 00:49:34,319 And just-- mainly just to get the you-know-what out of Dallas. 834 00:49:34,362 --> 00:49:37,975 Oh, much less crowded. Very, very cheap to live here. 835 00:49:38,018 --> 00:49:42,327 When I first moved here, I lived with Keith Ferguson for a few months. 836 00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:46,679 Then I got another place that had kind of been handed down 837 00:49:46,722 --> 00:49:48,768 from musician to musician. 838 00:49:48,811 --> 00:49:52,250 The room was like $79.50 a month, 839 00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:57,472 so even if you're like a slacker musician 840 00:49:57,516 --> 00:50:01,172 and didn't wanna get a day job, you could kind of make it, yeah. 841 00:50:01,215 --> 00:50:03,739 One of my first houses was right here, but it's gone. 842 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:08,440 It's like right there. 843 00:50:08,483 --> 00:50:12,052 [Mike] The cost of living was much cheaper, and I don't know, 844 00:50:12,096 --> 00:50:14,533 it just had more of a small-town feel, 845 00:50:14,576 --> 00:50:18,276 and, of course, the artists' bohemian community here, 846 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,758 musicians and artists, it was kind of an oasis from the rest of Texas. 847 00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:43,692 So I don't think they left Dallas because of its politics. 848 00:50:43,736 --> 00:50:45,912 I think they left Dallas for Austin 849 00:50:45,955 --> 00:50:48,393 because Austin was a hipper place to be. 850 00:50:48,436 --> 00:50:52,049 Austin had the outlaws, it had the rebels, it had the dopers. 851 00:50:52,092 --> 00:50:55,748 It had all the things that Dallas didn't really have because Dallas was a place 852 00:50:55,791 --> 00:50:58,055 that vehemently frowned on it. 853 00:50:58,098 --> 00:51:02,668 Dallas' roots were not quite as liberal at the time as Austin's were, 854 00:51:02,711 --> 00:51:05,540 and I think it reflected in its policing policies, 855 00:51:05,888 --> 00:51:10,067 and the fact that people were getting beat up for smoking dope in Lee Park. 856 00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:12,547 [narrator] So Jimmie packed up and headed that way, 857 00:51:12,591 --> 00:51:16,421 determined to play the kind of music he wanted, playing it his way. 858 00:51:16,899 --> 00:51:19,554 I went over to the One Knite Lounge 859 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:22,949 and the only guy that played there was Blind George. 860 00:51:22,992 --> 00:51:27,388 He played by himself, and he played on Sundays. And it was an old junk shop. 861 00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:32,132 And they had-- the whole ceiling was junk hanging from the ceiling. 862 00:51:32,698 --> 00:51:36,963 And so all they did was put a bar in and get draft beer. 863 00:51:38,878 --> 00:51:41,533 And so I went down, I said, "Look, you got Blind George 864 00:51:41,576 --> 00:51:44,623 playing here on Sundays, and we'll play Blue Mondays." 865 00:51:45,145 --> 00:51:47,495 I was telling the guy, you know. 866 00:51:47,539 --> 00:51:50,977 He's like, "Okay, well, we'll let you try it out." 867 00:51:51,456 --> 00:51:56,983 And so, I came down there, and we played down there for five years every Monday. 868 00:51:57,026 --> 00:51:59,420 Where we are, Red River and Eighth Street. 869 00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:02,641 Uh, this was called The One Knite. 870 00:52:02,684 --> 00:52:04,991 It looks pretty much the same, 871 00:52:05,034 --> 00:52:08,821 except it didn't have this front cover here. 872 00:52:08,864 --> 00:52:14,870 But, uh, the, uh-- the motorcycles used to park in the front, 873 00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:18,918 and we would go in the One Knite right here. 874 00:52:18,961 --> 00:52:22,965 -[man] Where was the stage? -The stage was down here, but, uh... 875 00:52:23,009 --> 00:52:25,359 [bartender] It's still downstairs if you wanna go ahead and go downstairs. 876 00:52:25,403 --> 00:52:27,144 -[Jimmie] Is it the same stage? -[bartender] Same stage. 877 00:52:27,883 --> 00:52:29,929 -It's just downstairs? -[bartender] Right down the stairs. 878 00:52:32,366 --> 00:52:35,674 So here's the stage. You've all seen a stage. 879 00:52:35,717 --> 00:52:38,372 This was the stage at the One Knite, except it was up there. 880 00:52:39,895 --> 00:52:41,854 It was upstairs. 881 00:52:41,897 --> 00:52:44,726 And that's the One Knite for you. 882 00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:47,642 [narrator] His dedication to the Texas Roadhouse Blues 883 00:52:47,686 --> 00:52:49,992 led to Jimmie forming one of the best loved 884 00:52:50,036 --> 00:52:53,561 and most influential bands of the 1970s and '80s, 885 00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:56,216 The Fabulous Thunderbirds. 886 00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:59,219 The lineup included Jimmie Vaughan on guitar, 887 00:52:59,263 --> 00:53:04,137 Keith Ferguson on bass, and Mike Buck on drums. 888 00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:08,097 To round things out, they picked up a guy named Kim Wilson on harmonica. 889 00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:12,014 I guess Jimmy met him here in Austin at this place 890 00:53:12,058 --> 00:53:16,715 in far south Austin called Alexander's. 891 00:53:16,758 --> 00:53:20,153 It's off Brody Lane, which back then was just farmland. 892 00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:22,329 Of course, now it's all strip malls, and... 893 00:53:22,373 --> 00:53:26,812 [Jimmie] Kim Wilson came to town and played on a Sunday night. 894 00:53:26,855 --> 00:53:31,120 Kim showed up and sat in with us, and he sounded great. 895 00:53:31,164 --> 00:53:36,778 He had a great tone, and he was a rea-- really... uh, into all that stuff. 896 00:53:36,822 --> 00:53:38,737 And he knew all the Little Walter songs, 897 00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:44,308 and he was very much like a George Smith disciple. 898 00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:55,797 I saw Kim. He was great. We got together and next thing you know, 899 00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:57,799 we had a band called The Fabulous Thunderbirds. 900 00:53:57,843 --> 00:53:59,975 And I thought of the name. I-- 901 00:54:00,019 --> 00:54:03,849 There was, uh-- it just-- I don't know why. 902 00:54:04,763 --> 00:54:08,027 It just sounded good... to me. 903 00:54:08,070 --> 00:54:10,203 And so I thought, "We'll be The Fabulous Thunderbirds. 904 00:54:10,725 --> 00:54:15,252 Why would you want to be The Thunderbirds when you can be fabulous?" 905 00:54:17,863 --> 00:54:21,040 [narrator] The decision to go with a stripped down, back-to-the-basics sound 906 00:54:21,083 --> 00:54:24,783 went totally against what was selling records in that day. 907 00:54:24,826 --> 00:54:29,527 Radio was dominated by groups like Foreigner, Boston, Journey, and Cheap Trick. 908 00:54:29,962 --> 00:54:32,443 Those bands weren't really on our radar. 909 00:54:32,486 --> 00:54:35,576 We didn't really think about it. It's not what we liked and... 910 00:54:36,447 --> 00:54:40,364 um, not what we listened to, you know? So. 911 00:54:40,407 --> 00:54:43,280 [narrator] It was now all or nothing. 912 00:54:43,323 --> 00:54:46,587 The Fabulous Thunderbirds are going to play the kind of music they wanted, 913 00:54:46,631 --> 00:54:48,763 even though they were swimming against the tide. 914 00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,637 I think the main thing for The Thunderbirds or one of the main things, 915 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,641 of course, Jimmie's guitar playing was very influential. And Kim. 916 00:54:57,729 --> 00:55:02,690 But the fact that most of the blues bands before them were like hippies, you know? 917 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:07,739 So we came out, you know, suits and nice clothes, 918 00:55:07,782 --> 00:55:11,830 and sharp haircuts, what have you. 919 00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:18,097 We kind of emulated the Chicago and Louisiana guys 920 00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:20,404 and Texas guys like Frankie Lee Sims. 921 00:55:20,447 --> 00:55:22,493 ["Walking with Frankie" by Frankie Lee Sims] 922 00:55:22,536 --> 00:55:24,321 ♪ Well, I can walk that walk ♪ 923 00:55:25,583 --> 00:55:28,325 ♪ I walk my fool self down ♪ 924 00:55:28,368 --> 00:55:32,372 ♪ I'm lookin' for my woman You know she can't Be found... ♪ 925 00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:34,243 So there weren't a lot of guitar histrionics. 926 00:55:34,287 --> 00:55:36,245 It was all pretty-- 927 00:55:36,289 --> 00:55:41,599 you know, every note counted and was played with feeling. 928 00:55:41,642 --> 00:55:46,081 And, you know, it wasn't like just guitar wanking, you know, 929 00:55:46,125 --> 00:55:51,478 like a lot of bands, which there's a place for that, too, of course, but... [laughs] 930 00:55:51,522 --> 00:55:53,915 [narrator] But it was not an easy row to hoe. 931 00:55:53,959 --> 00:55:57,310 They couldn't even get a booking in Dallas, Jimmie's hometown. 932 00:55:57,354 --> 00:56:01,836 So they played Austin and, of all places, Providence, Rhode Island. 933 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,363 They later became regulars at Antone's where they opened for Muddy Waters. 934 00:56:06,406 --> 00:56:09,366 Muddy Waters was so taken with the T-Birds that he immediately 935 00:56:09,409 --> 00:56:12,499 made some calls to get them booked into the blues clubs he played. 936 00:56:13,326 --> 00:56:16,068 Antone's had been going on for a long time, and it was a whole big scene. 937 00:56:16,111 --> 00:56:19,376 But Albert King came to play, and he-- 938 00:56:19,419 --> 00:56:22,291 he would come and play five, six nights in a row. 939 00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:26,992 And it was packed. It was like on a Friday or Saturday night... 940 00:56:27,035 --> 00:56:28,646 [engine revs] 941 00:56:37,611 --> 00:56:42,224 My Ford pisses off the little hot rod guys around here 942 00:56:43,182 --> 00:56:45,793 because they hear the cam, and they want to show me what they got. 943 00:56:45,837 --> 00:56:47,621 [man laughs] 944 00:56:47,665 --> 00:56:50,885 So that was just an example of that, I hope you got that. 945 00:56:50,929 --> 00:56:53,322 The original Antone's was here on this corner 946 00:56:53,366 --> 00:56:55,499 before they tore it down and built this building. 947 00:56:56,630 --> 00:57:00,155 It was across the street from the Driscoll Hotel right here. 948 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:01,983 And it was a grocery store. 949 00:57:03,028 --> 00:57:05,726 And, uh, this was it right here. 950 00:57:07,815 --> 00:57:09,904 But it's gone, as you can see. 951 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,606 Albert King, he's got a sold-out place, 952 00:57:16,215 --> 00:57:20,306 rocking, he's got his band there, his whole big band. 953 00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:23,396 And he, uh-- so he's playing several nights. 954 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,968 So Clifford goes to him, he says, "I got this kid. He wants to sit in with you." 955 00:57:30,011 --> 00:57:32,361 And, you know, nobody asked Albert King to sit in. 956 00:57:33,667 --> 00:57:39,717 You gotta understand, Albert is a big, menacing, badass guy. 957 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,849 Like, there's nothing you could do 958 00:57:41,893 --> 00:57:45,244 if you sat in with Albert King except suck, you know, 959 00:57:45,287 --> 00:57:47,289 because Albert King is Albert King. 960 00:57:47,942 --> 00:57:50,336 So Clifford goes to Albert King and says, 961 00:57:51,772 --> 00:57:56,690 "I want you to let Stevie Vaughan sit in." 962 00:57:56,734 --> 00:57:59,954 Albert goes-- okay, you can imagine what Albert says. 963 00:57:59,998 --> 00:58:01,565 So this happens three or four times. 964 00:58:01,608 --> 00:58:04,437 And finally, he goes-- just to get Clifford to stop, 965 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:06,570 he goes, "Okay, let's get him up here." 966 00:58:07,701 --> 00:58:10,617 Finally. And so, um... 967 00:58:11,313 --> 00:58:13,054 Stevie got on the stage. 968 00:58:13,098 --> 00:58:15,796 I was there. Everybody was there. 969 00:58:16,362 --> 00:58:18,843 Stevie got up there, started playing Albert King licks... 970 00:58:20,671 --> 00:58:23,151 With Albert King. And so Albert King liked him 971 00:58:23,195 --> 00:58:25,066 because he was playing Albert King licks. 972 00:58:25,893 --> 00:58:30,202 And, I mean, we used to sit around the house and, uh, copy Albert King. 973 00:58:30,245 --> 00:58:32,291 We're on 6th Street, by the way. 974 00:58:32,334 --> 00:58:36,164 So Albert King takes a liking to Stevie, so that's when they met. 975 00:58:37,296 --> 00:58:39,428 So they became, uh, friends. 976 00:58:39,472 --> 00:58:45,260 And Stevie, in the meantime, became kind of a hot rock star. 977 00:58:45,652 --> 00:58:47,654 One of his first gigs was here. 978 00:58:47,698 --> 00:58:49,787 He would play here on a different night. 979 00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:51,484 This was a great little honky-tonk. 980 00:58:51,528 --> 00:58:53,486 We played here for years and years... 981 00:58:54,922 --> 00:58:56,968 so we must've played here five years, too. 982 00:58:57,882 --> 00:59:00,058 Thunderbirds played here, though. 983 00:59:00,101 --> 00:59:02,626 ["Lowdown in the Street," by ZZ Top] 984 00:59:06,064 --> 00:59:07,805 ♪ Oh ♪ 985 00:59:10,155 --> 00:59:15,943 ♪ Well, there comes Lola Out of control-a ♪ 986 00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:18,816 ♪ She just loves those rhythm And blues ♪ 987 00:59:20,295 --> 00:59:24,125 ♪ And miss Ivy will be Arriving... ♪ 988 00:59:25,213 --> 00:59:27,868 There was a pizza joint called the Rome Inn, 989 00:59:28,913 --> 00:59:31,132 and they would close 990 00:59:31,176 --> 00:59:36,355 on Sundays and Mondays, and Mondays became Blue Monday, 991 00:59:37,138 --> 00:59:39,837 and The Thunderbirds were putting their act together. 992 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,406 Jimmie had just left Storm, and those Monday nights were epic. 993 00:59:44,929 --> 00:59:49,237 That was probably, uh, telling 994 00:59:49,281 --> 00:59:54,199 of what set the stage for other bands 995 00:59:54,242 --> 00:59:57,985 that wanted to call themselves a blues band could follow. 996 00:59:58,029 --> 01:00:01,380 [narrator] Billy Gibbons became so enamored with the T-Birds that he wrote a song 997 01:00:01,423 --> 01:00:05,819 about their weekly gigs at the Rome Inn, for ZZ Tops'Deguello a lbum. 998 01:00:06,167 --> 01:00:08,735 On any given Monday night for the first year, 999 01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:15,220 there may have been, at the most, 40, 50 people. That was a good night. 1000 01:00:15,263 --> 01:00:19,485 I remember we got really excited the first time we made $200 at the door. 1001 01:00:19,528 --> 01:00:24,403 So, "All right, $50 a guy!" We went and bought Italian shoes or something. 1002 01:00:24,446 --> 01:00:28,320 Yeah. So it was pretty cool. And it just kept building from there. And we'd-- 1003 01:00:28,363 --> 01:00:32,585 [narrator] At that time, ZZ Top was dominating the radio and record charts. 1004 01:00:32,629 --> 01:00:38,722 Once I got to Dallas, every jukebox in the place was ZZ Top. 1005 01:00:38,765 --> 01:00:42,160 -It was all that was there. -[narrator] So think about that for a moment. 1006 01:00:42,203 --> 01:00:44,597 The Fabulous Thunderbirds were so cool 1007 01:00:44,641 --> 01:00:47,078 that Billy Gibbons wrote a song about them. 1008 01:00:47,992 --> 01:00:53,606 [stammers] I was taken with the clientele. Um... 1009 01:00:54,781 --> 01:00:59,177 We'd fall through, and one by one, I'd say, "Now, who was that?" 1010 01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:02,006 And of course, I'd hang out with Jimmie on the breaks. 1011 01:01:02,049 --> 01:01:04,312 And describe some of the people that were hanging around. 1012 01:01:04,356 --> 01:01:09,622 Miss Ivy was one of the-- one of the scenesters and, um... 1013 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:14,105 [inhales, exhales] Lola out of control-a was this woman named Lois 1014 01:01:14,496 --> 01:01:17,891 we knew and... 1015 01:01:17,935 --> 01:01:21,852 I don't know, it's kind of-- it was a lot of fun. 1016 01:01:21,895 --> 01:01:23,897 Pretty deboshed, I guess, in a lot of ways. 1017 01:01:23,941 --> 01:01:26,552 But we were having a great time, and... 1018 01:01:27,074 --> 01:01:32,601 The lyrics, um, chronicled all of the characters. 1019 01:01:32,645 --> 01:01:37,868 And, uh, sweet M.B., that was Mary Beth Greenwood. 1020 01:01:37,911 --> 01:01:42,873 Little GB was Gretchen Barber. Lola out of control-a, Miss Ivy. 1021 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:47,878 I mean, these were some real stalwart characters 1022 01:01:47,921 --> 01:01:49,575 that didn't miss a Monday either. 1023 01:01:49,618 --> 01:01:52,709 We were all there and held down that corner. 1024 01:01:52,752 --> 01:01:55,102 [chuckles] It was great. 1025 01:01:55,146 --> 01:01:57,278 ["Lowdown in the Street," by ZZ Top] 1026 01:01:59,585 --> 01:02:02,066 ♪ There's Jimmie and JoJo ♪ 1027 01:02:02,109 --> 01:02:03,589 ♪ There's Kim and Keith ♪ 1028 01:02:05,243 --> 01:02:08,159 ♪ Way outside the eyes Of cool... ♪ 1029 01:02:08,202 --> 01:02:12,685 I was so convinced that these guys were gonna bust out and-- and really 1030 01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:16,341 s-set this blues trail ablaze. 1031 01:02:16,384 --> 01:02:19,736 I decided, uh, to share the secret, 1032 01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:23,914 and a buddy of mine and I went down to Continental Trailways 1033 01:02:23,957 --> 01:02:28,266 and did some inquiring how we went about chartering a bus. 1034 01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:32,096 It was pretty simple. We just had it all set up, 1035 01:02:32,139 --> 01:02:36,840 put the word out a couple of weeks in advance, and, uh... 1036 01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:41,453 the bus at that time held 80 people, and it was packed. 1037 01:02:41,496 --> 01:02:44,761 People were driving in from Victoria, Texas, San Antonio, Texas, 1038 01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:46,719 all the way from the Mexican border 1039 01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:49,374 to be part of this Blue Monday night. 1040 01:02:49,417 --> 01:02:53,944 And it was pretty, pretty rowdy. [chuckles] 1041 01:02:53,987 --> 01:02:57,948 [narrator] At the same time, younger brother Stevie had made the move to Austin. 1042 01:02:57,991 --> 01:03:01,168 Stevie had formed a band with Fort Worth blues singer, Lou Ann Barton. 1043 01:03:01,212 --> 01:03:03,388 They billed themselves as the Triple Threat Revue 1044 01:03:03,431 --> 01:03:05,433 and started playing small clubs around Austin 1045 01:03:05,477 --> 01:03:06,870 before picking up a following. 1046 01:03:07,827 --> 01:03:09,786 ["Good Texan," by Stevie Ray Vaughan] 1047 01:03:14,573 --> 01:03:17,663 ♪ Say things to me Like a cowgirl would ♪ 1048 01:03:20,187 --> 01:03:22,320 [narrator] Things were so hard early on 1049 01:03:22,363 --> 01:03:25,105 that Stevie was sleeping on pool tables and nearly starving. 1050 01:03:25,149 --> 01:03:29,283 [Connie] He would tell me where he was going to be, 1051 01:03:29,327 --> 01:03:34,549 he'd call my friend, Vickie Vernelson, and we'd head down to Austin. 1052 01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:38,379 And I went down to Austin most weekends that I could. 1053 01:03:38,423 --> 01:03:41,208 So we went down there for one of our trips 1054 01:03:41,252 --> 01:03:44,211 and just realized that Stevie was just practically starving to death. 1055 01:03:44,951 --> 01:03:47,127 And he needed clothes, 1056 01:03:47,911 --> 01:03:52,176 and so Vicki and I took him out shopping. [chuckles] 1057 01:03:52,219 --> 01:03:55,875 and we actually went to some, you know, secondhand clothing stuff 1058 01:03:55,919 --> 01:04:01,359 and just bought him some clothes and took him out to eat and went and got him some groceries. 1059 01:04:01,402 --> 01:04:04,666 [narrator] He was soon playing the Rome Inn every Sunday night 1060 01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:07,713 while Big Brother Jimmie and the Thunderbirds played every Monday. 1061 01:04:07,756 --> 01:04:09,715 [guitar intro of "Pride and Joy"] 1062 01:04:15,373 --> 01:04:18,898 [narrator] During this time, he got married to Lenny Bailey at the Rome Inn, 1063 01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:22,206 a union that was both inspiring, codependent, 1064 01:04:22,249 --> 01:04:24,773 and tragic all at the same time. 1065 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,256 Stevie came down-- this was on a Blue Monday night. 1066 01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:33,608 And, uh, the band had taken a break, and we all gathered. 1067 01:04:33,652 --> 01:04:38,048 There was a balcony upstairs and, uh... 1068 01:04:38,657 --> 01:04:41,573 Stevie strolled over and he said, 1069 01:04:42,226 --> 01:04:46,317 "You're sitting with Gretchen and Mary Beth. Would you guys come upstairs?" 1070 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,321 He said, "I'm gonna get married. I'd like you to be there." 1071 01:04:50,364 --> 01:04:52,323 [narrator] While Jimmie and the T-Birds were on 1072 01:04:52,366 --> 01:04:54,325 what looked like a track to success, 1073 01:04:54,368 --> 01:04:57,241 brother Stevie was gaining a dedicated following 1074 01:04:57,284 --> 01:05:00,418 but also fighting a drug and alcohol addiction problem. 1075 01:05:00,461 --> 01:05:02,724 One night, Stevie was cutting up a gram of coke 1076 01:05:02,768 --> 01:05:05,423 in front of an open window at a club in Houston, 1077 01:05:05,466 --> 01:05:10,907 when he was spied by a Houston police officer who just happened to be walking by. 1078 01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:15,520 Stevie was promptly arrested and charged with felony drug possession. 1079 01:05:15,563 --> 01:05:20,220 He was in a downward spiral that seemingly no one was able to pull him out of. 1080 01:05:20,264 --> 01:05:24,094 His addiction issues had reared its ugly head early in his career. 1081 01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:27,836 We played for an SMU fraternity party, Liberation did, 1082 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,233 and that night, after the party was over, as all the guests were leaving, 1083 01:05:33,277 --> 01:05:36,280 and we were tearing down our equipment, getting ready to load out, 1084 01:05:37,324 --> 01:05:40,197 Stevie was walking around to all of the tables 1085 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,940 where the audience had been, where the fraternity guys had been out there 1086 01:05:43,983 --> 01:05:48,509 with their girlfriends, and was picking up still, you know, cocktails 1087 01:05:48,553 --> 01:05:51,121 that still had something in them or whatever and was drinking. 1088 01:05:51,164 --> 01:05:53,645 And that was the first sign that Stevie was a drinker. 1089 01:05:53,688 --> 01:05:55,342 [Jimmie] My father was an alcoholic. 1090 01:05:56,387 --> 01:06:00,521 He would go out and drink too much and get in trouble, 1091 01:06:01,131 --> 01:06:04,569 get pulled over and do things. 1092 01:06:04,612 --> 01:06:07,398 And I said, "Well, I'm never going to drink!" 1093 01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:11,054 And then-- until I got my first drink, 1094 01:06:12,533 --> 01:06:15,623 and then I did the same thing. 1095 01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:17,190 Over and over and over. 1096 01:06:17,234 --> 01:06:20,367 And then I got into some other stuff, 1097 01:06:20,411 --> 01:06:23,631 and I got in some other stuff and, uh, 1098 01:06:23,675 --> 01:06:26,417 and then I-- 1099 01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:33,032 well, my little brother did what I did, usually. 1100 01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:37,645 Uh, and so he heard that I was getting high 1101 01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:42,041 and playing all night and doing all this stuff. 1102 01:06:42,085 --> 01:06:46,002 And I'm sure he went and tried it and, um... 1103 01:06:47,133 --> 01:06:51,616 You know, but he collapsed in Europe, uh... 1104 01:06:52,573 --> 01:06:56,229 always trying to take it further than the next guy. 1105 01:06:56,273 --> 01:06:57,709 [narrator] Despite his addictions, 1106 01:06:57,752 --> 01:06:59,493 Stevie was always able to show up 1107 01:06:59,537 --> 01:07:03,193 and play blistering sets that left people slack-jawed. 1108 01:07:03,236 --> 01:07:05,325 No matter how wasted he was, he still put on 1109 01:07:05,369 --> 01:07:08,807 an incredible performance, hitting all the notes. 1110 01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:11,853 I saw this in person when he played a free show in Lee Park for us 1111 01:07:11,897 --> 01:07:14,291 while I was atBuddy magazine. 1112 01:07:14,334 --> 01:07:18,077 One look into his eyes, and you can tell that he was on something, 1113 01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:20,297 but he put on a great show that day, 1114 01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:22,212 even though he wasn't getting paid for it. 1115 01:07:22,255 --> 01:07:24,779 And he didn't miss a lick. 1116 01:07:24,823 --> 01:07:28,914 The original Double Trouble lineup featured Stevie on guitar, 1117 01:07:28,957 --> 01:07:33,049 drummer Chris Layton, and bassist Jack Newhouse. 1118 01:07:33,092 --> 01:07:36,139 One night, during a gig at the Houston nightclub, Rockefeller's, 1119 01:07:36,182 --> 01:07:38,619 Buddy magazine had sponsored the show, 1120 01:07:38,663 --> 01:07:42,841 and as part of the evening, we gave away a free Hamer guitar. 1121 01:07:42,884 --> 01:07:45,104 Tommy Shannon came in to see the band that evening 1122 01:07:45,148 --> 01:07:46,975 and immediately wanted to be a part of it. 1123 01:07:47,019 --> 01:07:48,586 Once he joined on bass, 1124 01:07:48,629 --> 01:07:50,675 the lineup that most people know was sealed. 1125 01:07:52,242 --> 01:07:54,374 Double Trouble embarked on a tour of nightclubs 1126 01:07:54,418 --> 01:07:57,116 and bars looking for their big break. 1127 01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,163 ♪ Well, I'm lovestruck, baby I must confess ♪ 1128 01:08:00,206 --> 01:08:02,730 ♪ Life without you, darlin' Is a solid mess ♪ 1129 01:08:02,774 --> 01:08:05,385 ♪ Thinkin' bout you, baby Gives me such a thrill ♪ 1130 01:08:05,429 --> 01:08:08,519 ♪ I gotta have you, baby Can't get my fill ♪ 1131 01:08:08,562 --> 01:08:12,088 ♪ I love you, baby, and I know Just what to do ♪ 1132 01:08:14,264 --> 01:08:16,744 ♪ I still remember And let it be said ♪ 1133 01:08:16,788 --> 01:08:19,573 ♪ The way you make me feel'd Take a fool to forget ♪ 1134 01:08:19,617 --> 01:08:22,489 ♪ I swore a ton of bricks Had hit me in the head ♪ 1135 01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:26,450 ♪ And what you do, little baby Ain't over it yet ♪ 1136 01:08:26,493 --> 01:08:29,975 [narrator] And it came during a performance at the Montreux Jazz Festival 1137 01:08:30,018 --> 01:08:34,066 where David Bowie got a taste of Double Trouble in action. 1138 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:36,547 It also introduced him to Jackson Browne. 1139 01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:39,506 I was at Montreux, and I played, and we were done playing-- 1140 01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:41,552 As a matter of fact, I was doing an interview like this. 1141 01:08:41,595 --> 01:08:44,729 They were doing a set in the artists' area for other musicians, 1142 01:08:44,772 --> 01:08:48,385 and it was astonishing, you know, what he was doing was just-- 1143 01:08:48,428 --> 01:08:53,999 he just blew everybody away, and the guys in my band particularly. 1144 01:08:54,042 --> 01:08:55,435 So I went down there and heard him 1145 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,350 and listened to the rest of what he was doing, 1146 01:08:57,394 --> 01:08:59,135 and at some point, they took a break, you know. 1147 01:08:59,178 --> 01:09:01,572 It led to him inviting me to sit in. 1148 01:09:01,615 --> 01:09:04,401 The show wasn't a matter of playing, you know, I barely hung onto my guitar. 1149 01:09:04,444 --> 01:09:07,752 It was just like, hang on, you know? 1150 01:09:07,795 --> 01:09:10,711 [narrator] This chance encounter led to Stevie being asked to perform 1151 01:09:10,755 --> 01:09:13,236 on Bowie's comeback album Let's Dance. 1152 01:09:13,888 --> 01:09:19,242 I walked into a newly opened after hours club called The Continental. 1153 01:09:19,285 --> 01:09:23,420 I was with Billy Idol one night, and we walked in, and Billy went, 1154 01:09:24,682 --> 01:09:28,555 [imitates accent] "Bloody hell, that's David effin' Bowie!" 1155 01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:33,647 [normal voice] And we saw David sitting all by himself at the back bar, 1156 01:09:33,691 --> 01:09:37,216 drinking a glass of orange juice. He and I started talking. 1157 01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:40,872 We decided that we'd work together, and, uh-- 1158 01:09:40,915 --> 01:09:43,483 and it all just happened very, very quickly. 1159 01:09:43,527 --> 01:09:46,530 Basically, David just dumped the project in my hand. 1160 01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:52,710 He just said, "Hey, you see it, you understand what I'm talking about. 1161 01:09:52,753 --> 01:09:54,407 You deal with it." 1162 01:09:54,451 --> 01:09:56,975 The only thing that David introduced 1163 01:09:57,018 --> 01:10:00,457 to the record that, um-- 1164 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:04,112 other than being David Bowie and choosing great songs, 1165 01:10:04,983 --> 01:10:08,421 was this interesting new guitar player named Stevie Ray Vaughan 1166 01:10:08,856 --> 01:10:12,164 that he had only heard once in Montreux Jazz Festival. 1167 01:10:12,208 --> 01:10:16,342 So when Stevie walked into the studio, 1168 01:10:16,386 --> 01:10:18,779 the first thing we played for him was Let's Dance. 1169 01:10:21,956 --> 01:10:23,349 I'll never forget this, man. 1170 01:10:24,872 --> 01:10:26,874 We became friends for the rest of our lives. 1171 01:10:26,918 --> 01:10:29,747 He walked into the studio, 1172 01:10:29,790 --> 01:10:32,271 he looked at the speakers, and he listened to the track, 1173 01:10:33,316 --> 01:10:35,448 and he was just blown away. 1174 01:10:35,492 --> 01:10:37,798 He knew that he was hearing something magical. 1175 01:10:38,495 --> 01:10:44,544 And as with all good musicians that I respect, 1176 01:10:46,372 --> 01:10:48,722 I could see him trying to compute 1177 01:10:48,766 --> 01:10:52,335 how he's gonna fit in this thing that's already magical. 1178 01:10:52,378 --> 01:10:54,902 Like, "This is already great. What do I do?" 1179 01:10:55,686 --> 01:10:57,557 Um... 1180 01:10:57,601 --> 01:10:59,037 He did very little. 1181 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,432 But boy, that little bit he did was amazing. 1182 01:11:02,475 --> 01:11:04,172 It was like unbelievable. 1183 01:11:04,216 --> 01:11:06,392 ["Let's Dance" playing] 1184 01:11:12,703 --> 01:11:15,183 [narrator] His guitar work gave the LP a different sound 1185 01:11:15,227 --> 01:11:17,273 than Bowie had shown on previous records, 1186 01:11:17,316 --> 01:11:20,014 and it was a huge hit with both the public and critics. 1187 01:11:20,363 --> 01:11:22,060 [Nile] These are all one-take solos. 1188 01:11:22,103 --> 01:11:24,367 I mean, it took me no time to make that record. 1189 01:11:25,063 --> 01:11:27,892 And with the injection of Stevie, 1190 01:11:27,935 --> 01:11:30,721 which added a completely different dimension, 1191 01:11:30,764 --> 01:11:33,332 a whole other way of looking at the song, 1192 01:11:34,115 --> 01:11:40,383 it was really-- it was just something magical, 1193 01:11:40,426 --> 01:11:42,385 something really... 1194 01:11:44,256 --> 01:11:46,476 I don't think I've ever had a recording session 1195 01:11:47,738 --> 01:11:52,264 like that since... um, or before. 1196 01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:57,008 It was just one of those really crazy things that makes no sense. 1197 01:11:57,051 --> 01:12:00,316 [narrator] As hard as it may be for people today to understand, 1198 01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:04,668 a record contract was the Holy Grail for a rock band at that time. 1199 01:12:04,711 --> 01:12:08,149 With no iTunes, Internet, or free downloads, 1200 01:12:08,193 --> 01:12:12,719 a record deal meant your album would be displayed in record stores across America, 1201 01:12:12,763 --> 01:12:17,202 bringing in millions of dollars in royalties if you had a hit. 1202 01:12:17,245 --> 01:12:20,423 So when The Fabulous Thunderbirds got picked up by Tacoma Records, 1203 01:12:20,466 --> 01:12:25,123 a division of Chrysalis, they'd finally "made it" in many people's eyes. 1204 01:12:25,166 --> 01:12:28,344 [Jimmie] We played for five years before we ever had a record. 1205 01:12:28,822 --> 01:12:33,000 Ray Benson would play at-- 1206 01:12:33,044 --> 01:12:36,830 from Asleep at the Wheel-- we would play shows with him sometimes, 1207 01:12:36,874 --> 01:12:40,704 and he said, "Hey, I know a guy that does the blues," 1208 01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:42,749 uh, a record company. 1209 01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:44,969 And he told Denny Bruce about us. 1210 01:12:45,012 --> 01:12:48,799 Denny Bruce came from L.A. to Austin, 1211 01:12:48,842 --> 01:12:53,064 heard us play and got us a record deal on Tacoma. 1212 01:12:53,107 --> 01:12:55,458 [narrator] They went into Sumet-Bernet Studios in Dallas 1213 01:12:55,501 --> 01:12:59,287 to record their breakout LP "Girls Go Wild." 1214 01:12:59,331 --> 01:13:01,551 [Jimmie] By the way, Mike Buck thought of Girls Go Wild. 1215 01:13:01,594 --> 01:13:05,642 I don't know where he got it, but we made our album, 1216 01:13:06,251 --> 01:13:08,819 and we said, "Okay, what are we going to name it?" 1217 01:13:08,862 --> 01:13:12,866 And everybody had something, you know, said something. 1218 01:13:12,910 --> 01:13:16,827 And Mike goes, "Why don't we call it Girls Go Wild?" 1219 01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:20,221 And we're like, "What?" He said, "Girls Go Wild," 1220 01:13:20,265 --> 01:13:22,920 and we were like, "You can do that?" You know? 1221 01:13:22,963 --> 01:13:25,879 It's like, "That's the coolest name we've ever heard of!" 1222 01:13:25,923 --> 01:13:28,969 It has nothing to do with anything, but we're gonna say it anyway. 1223 01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:34,975 Keith and I both had, uh, pretty large record collections, a lot of 45s. 1224 01:13:35,323 --> 01:13:37,151 It'd usually be... 1225 01:13:38,109 --> 01:13:39,980 one of ours, you know. 1226 01:13:40,024 --> 01:13:42,200 One of us will bring the song in, 1227 01:13:43,767 --> 01:13:48,641 like I had the record "Marked Deck" by this guy from Dallas, Mercy Baby. 1228 01:13:48,685 --> 01:13:50,643 He was a drummer for Frankie Lee Sims. 1229 01:13:50,687 --> 01:13:52,906 And of course Jimmie had a lot of good stuff, too. 1230 01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:55,866 He was-- Everybody had pretty good taste, you know. 1231 01:13:55,909 --> 01:13:58,521 [narrator] It was recorded live, meaning that the band 1232 01:13:58,564 --> 01:14:01,480 played as a unit with very few overdubs. 1233 01:14:01,524 --> 01:14:03,787 Although it did not top the Billboard charts 1234 01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:06,964 at the time of its release, Girls Go Wild gained a reputation 1235 01:14:07,007 --> 01:14:10,010 as the album that introduced the Texas Roadhouse Blues 1236 01:14:10,054 --> 01:14:12,404 to a white suburban audience. 1237 01:14:12,448 --> 01:14:15,102 ♪ She walk past a clock ♪ 1238 01:14:15,146 --> 01:14:17,409 ♪ The clock won't tell time ♪ 1239 01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,672 ♪ She walk through The college ♪ 1240 01:14:19,716 --> 01:14:21,369 ♪ Professor lose his mind ♪ 1241 01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:22,675 ♪ But she's tough ♪ 1242 01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:26,897 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, she's tough ♪ 1243 01:14:30,335 --> 01:14:32,337 ♪ My baby's tough ♪ 1244 01:14:32,380 --> 01:14:34,861 ♪ She's rough and tough ♪ 1245 01:14:34,905 --> 01:14:38,169 [laughter] ♪ And that's tough enough ♪ 1246 01:14:41,128 --> 01:14:43,957 [narrator] A short time later, Jimmie and The Fabulous Thunderbirds 1247 01:14:44,001 --> 01:14:47,395 received what was basically a fan letter from Carlos Santana 1248 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,878 when he asked them to record an entire album with him titledHavana Moon. 1249 01:14:51,922 --> 01:14:55,795 He came to a couple of our gigs, and, uh-- 1250 01:14:55,839 --> 01:14:58,972 and we said, "Hey, Carlos Santana, sit in with us." 1251 01:14:59,016 --> 01:15:02,062 And so he would sit in with us and we would play. 1252 01:15:02,106 --> 01:15:06,023 And he said-- he said, "Man, I like you guys because..." he said, 1253 01:15:06,066 --> 01:15:09,635 "From the audience, you can smell the tubes burning in your amp." 1254 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,074 You know, it's just a very Carlos thing to say, you know? 1255 01:15:14,118 --> 01:15:17,295 [narrator] Meanwhile, brother Stevie was discovered 1256 01:15:17,338 --> 01:15:21,168 by the man who had signed Bob Dylan to his first record contract. 1257 01:15:21,212 --> 01:15:22,996 Hammond had become aware of Double Trouble 1258 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,434 and persuaded CBS Records to sign the trio. 1259 01:15:26,478 --> 01:15:30,221 As evidence of his influence, Hammer was photographed with the band 1260 01:15:30,264 --> 01:15:31,744 on the back of the album cover. 1261 01:15:33,311 --> 01:15:36,836 Jack Chase, the head of CBS Records in Dallas, 1262 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,796 facilitated the signing of the contract with Stevie. 1263 01:15:41,362 --> 01:15:44,844 He also personally committed to sell 25,000 units 1264 01:15:44,888 --> 01:15:48,544 of Stevie's new album from the Dallas branch alone. 1265 01:15:48,587 --> 01:15:52,069 The entire LP was recorded in Jackson Browne's studio. 1266 01:15:52,722 --> 01:15:56,552 "Hey, if you're ever in L.A., you know, come by and we'll do some recordings," 1267 01:15:56,595 --> 01:15:58,249 something like that, and the same thing with them. 1268 01:15:58,292 --> 01:16:00,381 Like, a month later, they're like, "We're here. 1269 01:16:00,425 --> 01:16:03,080 We're here to make our album." Okay. 1270 01:16:03,123 --> 01:16:07,345 I was in the studios right before Thanksgiving, and it was Stevie, he said, 1271 01:16:07,388 --> 01:16:10,217 "Well, we're almost there." 1272 01:16:10,261 --> 01:16:13,960 [stammers] He was like in Bakersfield or someplace, Victorville. 1273 01:16:14,004 --> 01:16:16,180 He said, "We're on our way there." And... 1274 01:16:16,223 --> 01:16:17,921 And the timing is pretty good 1275 01:16:17,964 --> 01:16:20,793 because we were about to stop recording for Thanksgiving. 1276 01:16:21,185 --> 01:16:24,101 Everybody had stuff to do. Everybody had things planned with their family. 1277 01:16:24,144 --> 01:16:27,670 So they came, and they set up, you know, and we started recording. 1278 01:16:27,713 --> 01:16:29,889 And I thought... [clicks tongue] Uh... 1279 01:16:31,499 --> 01:16:34,111 [stammers] Well, I asked my engineer, Greg LaDonis, 1280 01:16:34,154 --> 01:16:36,635 so like, "Do you want to, like, stay?" And I mean... 1281 01:16:36,679 --> 01:16:38,506 I could give him the week, you know, 1282 01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:40,552 "Do you want to stay and do this?" 1283 01:16:40,596 --> 01:16:44,861 [stammers] He had family, too. He had stuff to do, to plan, like that. 1284 01:16:44,904 --> 01:16:47,385 And my second engineer, James Geddes said, 1285 01:16:48,778 --> 01:16:49,996 "I can do it." 1286 01:16:51,084 --> 01:16:54,218 And after Texas Flood came out, 1287 01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:58,135 -they gave me a horse. -[horse grunts] 1288 01:16:58,178 --> 01:17:00,616 They gave me a horse, which I named Rave On. 1289 01:17:00,659 --> 01:17:04,576 It was beautiful paint from some breeder at Manor Downs. 1290 01:17:05,795 --> 01:17:09,189 It was like a gift from them, like a thank-you gift for this time in the studio. 1291 01:17:09,233 --> 01:17:13,367 So I don't know if anybody's ever given you a horse, but it's like the gift is, 1292 01:17:13,411 --> 01:17:16,675 you know, it's something you have to feed for the rest of its life. 1293 01:17:18,111 --> 01:17:22,899 I called Chris and Tommy and said, "You want this horse back?" 1294 01:17:22,942 --> 01:17:25,466 And they were like, "No, we don't want a horse. 1295 01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:29,427 No, that's your horse." [laughs] 1296 01:17:29,819 --> 01:17:34,998 Stevie and Chris and Tommy were great, great pe-- colorful people 1297 01:17:35,041 --> 01:17:36,782 and, like, just so badass. 1298 01:17:36,826 --> 01:17:38,915 [narrator] The timing somewhat ironic 1299 01:17:38,958 --> 01:17:40,917 because Stevie had been tapped to play guitar 1300 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,441 on Bowie's upcoming Serious Moonlight tour 1301 01:17:43,484 --> 01:17:46,139 in support of Let's Dance. 1302 01:17:46,183 --> 01:17:49,534 Rehearsals were underway in Irving, a suburb near Dallas 1303 01:17:49,577 --> 01:17:53,930 at a soundstage located in the Studios at Los Colinas. 1304 01:17:53,973 --> 01:17:58,021 During these rehearsals, Bowie made it known that once he embarked on the tour, 1305 01:17:58,064 --> 01:18:01,285 Stevie was not permitted to promote his new album. 1306 01:18:01,328 --> 01:18:05,245 He was to be the guitar player for Bowie's band, period, 1307 01:18:05,289 --> 01:18:08,422 and help promoteLet's Dance. 1308 01:18:08,466 --> 01:18:12,557 Faced with a tough decision, Stevie chose his album over Bowie's 1309 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,647 and was dismissed before the tour even started. 1310 01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:18,998 The rock press had a field day speculating that Stevie 1311 01:18:19,042 --> 01:18:22,698 had made a cocaine decision and a big mistake, 1312 01:18:22,741 --> 01:18:25,526 but it turned out that it was the right move. 1313 01:18:25,570 --> 01:18:28,486 Texas Flood was a breakout album. 1314 01:18:28,529 --> 01:18:31,837 It thrust Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble into the spotlight, 1315 01:18:31,881 --> 01:18:36,059 earning accolades from both blues and rock fans alike. 1316 01:18:36,102 --> 01:18:39,018 Now both of the Vaughan brothers had hit the top. 1317 01:18:39,062 --> 01:18:41,020 It was a stunning achievement for two kids 1318 01:18:41,064 --> 01:18:44,502 from a working-class Dallas neighborhood. 1319 01:18:44,545 --> 01:18:48,593 With success came more money, and with more money came more opportunities 1320 01:18:48,636 --> 01:18:51,988 for an addictive personality like Stevie. 1321 01:18:52,031 --> 01:18:54,817 He and Lenny were now doing large amounts of cocaine 1322 01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:58,429 along with heavy drinking, and it wasn't pretty. 1323 01:18:58,472 --> 01:19:02,520 By now, Jimmie had reached the end of his run with The Fabulous Thunderbirds. 1324 01:19:02,563 --> 01:19:05,131 Jimmie felt like he had done all he could do, 1325 01:19:05,175 --> 01:19:09,135 so he left the band that he had founded and embarked on a solo career. 1326 01:19:09,179 --> 01:19:11,747 Meanwhile, brother Stevie was getting higher, 1327 01:19:11,790 --> 01:19:14,401 both literally and figuratively. 1328 01:19:14,445 --> 01:19:16,839 His subsequent LPs were selling well, 1329 01:19:16,882 --> 01:19:19,885 and his live shows were the stuff of legend. 1330 01:19:19,929 --> 01:19:23,541 But the daily intake of cocaine and liquor were taking a toll. 1331 01:19:23,584 --> 01:19:28,328 When you're in the top ten, you're selling 150,000 a week, something like that, 1332 01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:32,115 and you get really fat gigs. 1333 01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:33,464 Everybody wants you. 1334 01:19:33,507 --> 01:19:35,118 -[guitar playing] -[no audible dialogue] 1335 01:20:32,218 --> 01:20:34,612 The Grammys, everybody wants you. 1336 01:20:34,655 --> 01:20:36,919 George Thorogood and Stevie Ray Vaughan. 1337 01:20:36,962 --> 01:20:38,616 -Do you idolize them? -[crowd cheering] 1338 01:20:40,661 --> 01:20:44,100 You idolize them just like the rest of us to make this presentation. 1339 01:20:44,143 --> 01:20:46,711 Ladies and gentlemen, once again, Mr. Chuck Berry. 1340 01:20:46,754 --> 01:20:50,236 You know, so, it's a good time in that sense, 1341 01:20:51,063 --> 01:20:54,632 but it's hard to keep it up every day, drinking and drugging 1342 01:20:54,675 --> 01:20:58,027 and trying to medicate yourself so you can get to the next gig. 1343 01:20:58,070 --> 01:21:00,986 And do good and, you know, all this stuff. 1344 01:21:01,030 --> 01:21:05,425 So it all sort of-- it's like a snowball going down the hill. 1345 01:21:05,469 --> 01:21:07,819 You know? [grunts] It gets faster and faster 1346 01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:10,300 and faster and faster. And sometimes, you know... 1347 01:21:10,343 --> 01:21:11,649 [smacks] 1348 01:21:13,346 --> 01:21:16,262 [narrator] Some of his closest friends were worried. 1349 01:21:16,306 --> 01:21:18,917 Others tried to placate him with the phrase, 1350 01:21:18,961 --> 01:21:22,399 "It's a Stevie world, and we're all lucky to be here." 1351 01:21:22,442 --> 01:21:25,619 After collapsing during a tour in Europe, he went into rehab. 1352 01:21:25,663 --> 01:21:29,928 I think either the next day I heard that he had taken a fall 1353 01:21:29,972 --> 01:21:33,149 or that he was, you know-- and he was in the hospital 1354 01:21:34,628 --> 01:21:36,717 and that he was-- 1355 01:21:37,066 --> 01:21:40,634 and what he told me was that Eric had come to see him. 1356 01:21:41,418 --> 01:21:45,639 I called my friend Eric Clapton, who was down the road. 1357 01:21:45,683 --> 01:21:48,555 Eric came over and visited him 1358 01:21:48,599 --> 01:21:50,688 that same day. 1359 01:21:50,731 --> 01:21:53,517 And they started talking about getting sober. 1360 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,391 [stammers] And they had kind of a meeting of the minds. 1361 01:21:58,435 --> 01:22:00,654 I think Eric sort of-- 1362 01:22:01,438 --> 01:22:03,483 Eric Clapton, uh... 1363 01:22:07,009 --> 01:22:08,749 was able to... 1364 01:22:09,707 --> 01:22:14,799 to help him understand that it wasn't being high that let him play. 1365 01:22:14,842 --> 01:22:19,064 He's playing in spite of being high, and that he was, you know, 1366 01:22:19,108 --> 01:22:21,284 and that was not a way-- that was not a way to go. 1367 01:22:21,327 --> 01:22:26,767 For those guys to get clean, you know, Jimmie and Stevie, 1368 01:22:26,811 --> 01:22:31,076 was like an affirmation to me that I was on the right road. 1369 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,165 You know, I didn't-- I felt a little bit lonely. 1370 01:22:33,209 --> 01:22:37,387 And I only had like a year in front of either of the guys. 1371 01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:41,957 I mean, but not many other people were getting straight when I was getting straight. 1372 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,831 And-- but I got straight because I was convinced they were going to lock me up. 1373 01:22:47,571 --> 01:22:50,095 And I didn't want to be in a mental asylum. 1374 01:22:50,139 --> 01:22:52,532 I didn't really want to be in an institution, 1375 01:22:52,576 --> 01:22:56,145 you know, uh, sanitariums they used to call them. 1376 01:22:56,188 --> 01:22:59,017 And, uh, I could see that was on the cards. 1377 01:22:59,061 --> 01:23:01,628 And so when those guys got clean, 1378 01:23:02,368 --> 01:23:04,936 I thought, "Well, I got company now." 1379 01:23:05,502 --> 01:23:10,986 Stevie caught the bug and got sober to everyone's amazement. 1380 01:23:11,421 --> 01:23:14,990 Like, when I was a kid, my dad's friends, they would drink. 1381 01:23:15,033 --> 01:23:17,340 They were just called "drinking men." 1382 01:23:17,383 --> 01:23:21,953 You know? Nobody would admit or-- 1383 01:23:23,128 --> 01:23:25,391 I never heard of anybody getting sober. 1384 01:23:26,088 --> 01:23:29,004 You know, when I was a kid, I was like, 1385 01:23:29,047 --> 01:23:31,006 like you couldn't handle it or something. 1386 01:23:31,049 --> 01:23:33,399 You know? Who wants to admit that? 1387 01:23:33,443 --> 01:23:35,358 That was the thinking. 1388 01:23:35,401 --> 01:23:38,535 And so Stevie actually went to treatment 1389 01:23:38,578 --> 01:23:41,451 and got sober. 1390 01:23:42,713 --> 01:23:45,150 Five years later, I got sober. 1391 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,849 [narrator] Now that he had licked his addiction, 1392 01:23:48,893 --> 01:23:52,331 Stevie wondered if he could make music the same way again. 1393 01:23:52,375 --> 01:23:58,033 He was reassured that he had not lost any of his chops when he recordedIn Step. 1394 01:23:58,076 --> 01:24:02,211 Once the album came out, it was the biggest selling record of his career 1395 01:24:02,254 --> 01:24:05,257 and earned him a Grammy Award. 1396 01:24:05,301 --> 01:24:08,086 With his addiction issues apparently beaten, 1397 01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:11,176 a divorce from Lenny and a new outlook, 1398 01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:13,483 Stevie moved back in with his mother in Oak Cliff 1399 01:24:13,526 --> 01:24:16,747 at the family home on Glenfield Avenue. 1400 01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:21,404 It was back to his roots in his old neighborhood near Kiest Park. 1401 01:24:21,447 --> 01:24:25,408 During this time, he met a young model named Janna Lapidus. 1402 01:24:25,451 --> 01:24:28,802 The Vaughan brothers were now part of Texas guitar royalty, 1403 01:24:28,846 --> 01:24:32,850 ranked in alongside other legendary players like Billy Gibbons, 1404 01:24:32,893 --> 01:24:35,722 Johnny Winter, and Steve Miller. 1405 01:24:35,766 --> 01:24:38,856 Years earlier, Jimmie confided toBuddy magazine 1406 01:24:38,899 --> 01:24:44,122 that he wanted to make an album with Stevie, and now he had the chance. 1407 01:24:44,166 --> 01:24:46,385 The album would be recorded with the man behind 1408 01:24:46,429 --> 01:24:50,172 Chic'sFreak Out and Bowie's Let's Dance at the helm, 1409 01:24:50,215 --> 01:24:52,565 legendary producer Nile Rodgers. 1410 01:24:52,609 --> 01:24:53,914 ♪ Aw, freak out! ♪ 1411 01:24:55,002 --> 01:24:56,700 ♪ Le freak, c'est chic ♪ 1412 01:24:56,743 --> 01:24:58,093 ♪ Freak out! ♪ 1413 01:25:00,443 --> 01:25:03,010 -♪ Aw, freak out! ♪ -[narrator] It was an odd combination. 1414 01:25:03,054 --> 01:25:05,839 A producer with disco hits like "Freak Out" 1415 01:25:05,883 --> 01:25:10,279 and two white boys playing the blues, but it worked marvelously. 1416 01:25:10,322 --> 01:25:13,195 Family Style came together in such a great way, 1417 01:25:13,238 --> 01:25:17,286 because now I already have a relationship with Stevie, 1418 01:25:17,329 --> 01:25:19,810 and I have a separate relationship with Jimmie. 1419 01:25:21,028 --> 01:25:25,685 This is really interesting, 1420 01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:30,386 because these are two brothers who adored each other, 1421 01:25:30,429 --> 01:25:33,867 loved each other, but never made a record together. 1422 01:25:33,911 --> 01:25:36,566 [narrator] After all the songs were recorded, 1423 01:25:36,609 --> 01:25:38,829 before the final touches were made, 1424 01:25:38,872 --> 01:25:41,745 Stevie and Jimmie went to play an outdoor festival in Wisconsin 1425 01:25:41,788 --> 01:25:45,314 with longtime fan and friend, Eric Clapton. 1426 01:25:45,357 --> 01:25:47,403 [Eric] I remember sitting in my dressing room 1427 01:25:47,446 --> 01:25:50,406 listening to him play that night, 1428 01:25:50,449 --> 01:25:53,322 and it was also on the TV. 1429 01:25:53,365 --> 01:25:57,456 It was like-- they had a setup when I was sitting in my dressing room. 1430 01:25:57,500 --> 01:26:00,459 I didn't go out on the wing, because sometimes it's better 1431 01:26:00,503 --> 01:26:01,939 when you're in the dressing room. 1432 01:26:01,982 --> 01:26:03,897 You hear it better and you don't have to talk. 1433 01:26:03,941 --> 01:26:06,073 Nobody gonna talk to you or bother you. 1434 01:26:06,117 --> 01:26:09,251 And I was sitting, watching him on TV and thinking, 1435 01:26:09,294 --> 01:26:11,818 I don't really want to go on after this. 1436 01:26:11,862 --> 01:26:13,907 This is, uh... 1437 01:26:13,951 --> 01:26:15,909 you have to either ignore this, 1438 01:26:15,953 --> 01:26:18,390 or just, you know, give it up or whatever. 1439 01:26:18,434 --> 01:26:19,870 I mean, it doesn't happen. 1440 01:26:19,913 --> 01:26:23,482 In the end you go on-- I go on and do my thing, 1441 01:26:23,526 --> 01:26:25,832 even though I think it's whatever. 1442 01:26:25,876 --> 01:26:29,009 But I mean, he nailed it, you know. 1443 01:26:29,053 --> 01:26:31,882 Absolutely. 1444 01:26:31,925 --> 01:26:34,232 [narrator] When the show was over, Stevie took a seat 1445 01:26:34,276 --> 01:26:37,453 in one of the helicopters while brother Jimmie stayed behind. 1446 01:26:39,019 --> 01:26:42,066 It was foggy that night when the copter took off. 1447 01:26:42,109 --> 01:26:43,894 It never made it. 1448 01:26:45,678 --> 01:26:48,464 The night I was there, 1449 01:26:48,507 --> 01:26:51,162 there was some weather, and... 1450 01:26:53,338 --> 01:26:55,906 Stevie comes in the room and says... 1451 01:26:57,081 --> 01:26:58,561 this is before cell phones. 1452 01:26:58,604 --> 01:27:00,389 There was one seat open. And Stevie said, 1453 01:27:00,432 --> 01:27:02,608 "I'm going to go home early, 1454 01:27:02,652 --> 01:27:05,132 and I'm going to go call my girlfriend." 1455 01:27:07,526 --> 01:27:11,443 And I said-- I did the big brother thing on him. 1456 01:27:11,487 --> 01:27:13,315 I said, "Look..." 1457 01:27:13,358 --> 01:27:17,449 I said, "I came all the way up here to see you. 1458 01:27:19,277 --> 01:27:20,931 You're going to go home early?" 1459 01:27:20,974 --> 01:27:23,281 I did one of those things on him. 1460 01:27:23,325 --> 01:27:24,978 And he looked right at me and he says, 1461 01:27:25,022 --> 01:27:27,154 "You don't understand. I gotta go." 1462 01:27:29,156 --> 01:27:33,552 So then he went and got in the cart, 1463 01:27:33,596 --> 01:27:35,946 and they drove him to the helicopter. 1464 01:27:35,989 --> 01:27:37,904 They all got in there, and they lifted off, 1465 01:27:37,948 --> 01:27:41,430 and crashed right into the ski mountain. 1466 01:27:41,473 --> 01:27:44,911 Because it was a ski resort, Alpine Valley. 1467 01:27:44,955 --> 01:27:47,262 Crashed right into it. Killed them all. 1468 01:27:49,394 --> 01:27:50,917 I didn't know about it. 1469 01:27:50,961 --> 01:27:53,268 The concert's still going on. 1470 01:27:55,618 --> 01:27:57,272 Somebody knew. 1471 01:27:58,490 --> 01:28:01,580 But we didn't in the dressing room. 1472 01:28:01,624 --> 01:28:04,191 So anyway, we flew home, 1473 01:28:04,235 --> 01:28:06,629 went to our hotel rooms, 1474 01:28:06,672 --> 01:28:09,806 and I was kind of mad at Stevie because he left. 1475 01:28:09,849 --> 01:28:13,810 Thinking, well, you know, I came all the way up here and then he goes off and... 1476 01:28:15,812 --> 01:28:20,251 The way you can get mad at your brother or something, but not big, but just, you know. 1477 01:28:20,295 --> 01:28:24,081 I found out when I woke up in my hotel room. 1478 01:28:24,124 --> 01:28:28,346 I got a call from the guy who was managing me then 1479 01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:30,870 saying Stevie didn't make it back. And I said, "What do you mean?" 1480 01:28:30,914 --> 01:28:35,135 He said the helicopter-- his helicopter flew 1481 01:28:35,179 --> 01:28:38,443 into a kind of ski slope mountain thing. 1482 01:28:39,488 --> 01:28:42,534 So at 6:00 in the morning, I get a phone call. 1483 01:28:42,578 --> 01:28:46,712 "Well, we found Stevie and them. They crashed in the helicopter, and they're all dead." 1484 01:28:48,584 --> 01:28:50,325 Is what they tell me. 1485 01:28:51,761 --> 01:28:53,719 So you can imagine the rest. 1486 01:28:53,763 --> 01:28:56,896 -[news jingle] -There's been a major blow to the rock music world. 1487 01:28:56,940 --> 01:28:59,856 A deadly helicopter crash early this morning in Wisconsin. 1488 01:28:59,899 --> 01:29:01,466 Five people have been killed, 1489 01:29:01,510 --> 01:29:04,121 including rock guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan 1490 01:29:04,164 --> 01:29:07,254 and other members of rock star Eric Clapton's band. 1491 01:29:07,298 --> 01:29:10,170 Clapton, however, was not aboard the helicopter. 1492 01:29:11,041 --> 01:29:12,956 [Christian] It was about 2:00 in the morning. 1493 01:29:12,999 --> 01:29:16,568 I got a phone call from a lady who said that he had passed away. 1494 01:29:16,612 --> 01:29:18,657 Of course, I didn't believe it. 1495 01:29:18,701 --> 01:29:24,533 And as the news broke that day, 1496 01:29:24,576 --> 01:29:27,623 my phone just rang off the wall. 1497 01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:33,890 Somebody said something about let's all get together in Kiest Park, 1498 01:29:33,933 --> 01:29:36,545 and I said, "Let's have a candlelight vigil." 1499 01:29:36,588 --> 01:29:40,853 And that's what we did. We came out here, and we sat at this tree. 1500 01:29:40,897 --> 01:29:45,423 And we came here just to celebrate his life 1501 01:29:46,163 --> 01:29:48,339 and a place where we all could mourn. 1502 01:29:49,645 --> 01:29:52,082 And this is where we ended up being. 1503 01:29:52,125 --> 01:29:54,780 And it's... 1504 01:29:55,955 --> 01:29:58,131 kind of surreal being here, actually. 1505 01:29:58,175 --> 01:30:01,918 And Stevie also died on the same day as my father, 1506 01:30:02,745 --> 01:30:04,660 four years later. 1507 01:30:06,444 --> 01:30:08,533 And I had to call my mom and tell her. 1508 01:30:11,275 --> 01:30:13,712 And she thought I was calling to tell her that-- 1509 01:30:15,105 --> 01:30:17,194 'cause it was the anniversary of my father's death. 1510 01:30:19,936 --> 01:30:23,374 You know, she thought I was just calling her and to say, "I'm sorry. 1511 01:30:23,418 --> 01:30:26,116 You know, I know you're-- it's bad day for you." 1512 01:30:27,726 --> 01:30:31,817 But I had to tell her, you know, Stevie died, too. 1513 01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:37,214 The worst bit for me was going with Jimmie 1514 01:30:37,257 --> 01:30:40,347 to identify the crew, and I couldn't do it. 1515 01:30:40,391 --> 01:30:45,570 I was required to help identify the guys that we lost. 1516 01:30:45,614 --> 01:30:49,008 And Jimmie had to go and identify his brother. 1517 01:30:49,052 --> 01:30:53,752 And I, you know, I can't imagine what that was like. 1518 01:30:53,796 --> 01:30:56,276 [narrator] Stevie was laid to rest in the family plot 1519 01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,976 in Laurel Land Cemetery in Oak Cliff next to his father. 1520 01:31:00,019 --> 01:31:05,024 Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, and Stevie Wonder sang at his funeral. 1521 01:31:05,068 --> 01:31:10,856 ♪ I once was lost ♪ 1522 01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:15,687 ♪ But now I'm found ♪ 1523 01:31:15,731 --> 01:31:18,342 I didn't come there to sing, you know, it was very spontaneous. 1524 01:31:18,385 --> 01:31:22,433 I mean, at one point, Bonnie and I were standing next to Stevie Wonder, 1525 01:31:24,261 --> 01:31:26,350 and he just sort of like... 1526 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,267 like leaned over and was like, "We're going to sing Amazing Grace." 1527 01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:32,487 "Okay, here we go." You know, he just started singing. 1528 01:31:32,530 --> 01:31:34,750 So we sang it with him, you know. 1529 01:31:36,099 --> 01:31:39,189 ♪ Was blind ♪ 1530 01:31:39,232 --> 01:31:44,194 ♪ But now I see ♪ 1531 01:31:46,936 --> 01:31:51,767 [Jimmie] When we had the opening of the display over there at the Bob Bullock, 1532 01:31:52,376 --> 01:31:57,120 I finally said, and it occurred to me days before that, 1533 01:31:57,990 --> 01:32:00,819 that I'm not going to get over this, 1534 01:32:00,863 --> 01:32:02,821 and it's okay if I don't get over it. 1535 01:32:02,865 --> 01:32:05,171 You always think as a human, you're going to grow up 1536 01:32:05,215 --> 01:32:08,697 and accept whatever it is, right? 1537 01:32:10,873 --> 01:32:13,484 But it ain't going to happen. 1538 01:32:13,528 --> 01:32:16,400 It is completely unfair. It's unbelievably-- 1539 01:32:16,443 --> 01:32:20,273 it's a loss for everybody that he was cut short. 1540 01:32:20,317 --> 01:32:22,754 And I mean, I lost another friend in that crash, too, 1541 01:32:22,798 --> 01:32:26,453 Bobby Brooks was a friend of mine. My agent and Stevie's agent. 1542 01:32:27,324 --> 01:32:28,891 And, you know... 1543 01:32:30,109 --> 01:32:33,069 you know, it's just a tragic, tragic loss. 1544 01:32:33,548 --> 01:32:36,202 I was devastated 1545 01:32:37,247 --> 01:32:39,989 when they went off to do that gig with Clapton, 1546 01:32:40,032 --> 01:32:42,818 and two brothers left, and one brother returned. 1547 01:32:45,168 --> 01:32:47,126 [narrator] For Jimmie, the loss of his brother 1548 01:32:47,170 --> 01:32:50,434 almost brought his life and career to a standstill. 1549 01:32:50,477 --> 01:32:53,437 He oversaw the final production ofFamily Style, 1550 01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:56,962 watched its release, and saw one of the songs, "Tick Tock," 1551 01:32:57,006 --> 01:32:59,574 climb up the Billboard charts. 1552 01:32:59,617 --> 01:33:02,968 ♪ Remember that tick-tock Tick-tock ♪ 1553 01:33:03,012 --> 01:33:06,493 ♪ Tick-tock people ♪ 1554 01:33:06,537 --> 01:33:09,366 ♪ Time's ticking away ♪ 1555 01:33:09,409 --> 01:33:11,498 [narrator] Then he crawled back into his own world 1556 01:33:11,542 --> 01:33:14,066 and didn't come out for two years. 1557 01:33:14,110 --> 01:33:16,721 He was finally brought out of his funk by Eric Clapton. 1558 01:33:18,157 --> 01:33:21,552 I just couldn't picture myself going out and playing a gig 1559 01:33:21,596 --> 01:33:23,902 with all the people wanting to know 1560 01:33:24,990 --> 01:33:26,165 what I thought about it... 1561 01:33:27,645 --> 01:33:28,690 you know? 1562 01:33:29,212 --> 01:33:32,258 So I just waited a couple of years, three years, 1563 01:33:34,086 --> 01:33:37,916 I don't know how long it was, but I waited until I couldn't stand it anymore. 1564 01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:43,748 And then I-- Eric invited me to go play at Royal Albert Hall. 1565 01:33:45,010 --> 01:33:48,535 And I thought to myself, "If I don't do this, I'm a chickenshit." 1566 01:33:48,579 --> 01:33:53,889 I had the chance to get a big chunk of time at the Royal Albert Hall. 1567 01:33:53,932 --> 01:33:57,544 And we got 24 nights and I-- and I just, 1568 01:33:57,588 --> 01:34:00,286 I was thinking, "What-- what am I going to do?" 1569 01:34:00,330 --> 01:34:06,205 I didn't realize that he hadn't worked before that. I mean, that wasn't my motive. 1570 01:34:06,249 --> 01:34:08,773 It wouldn't have been-- 1571 01:34:08,817 --> 01:34:11,167 I don't think it was my motive to get him out. 1572 01:34:11,950 --> 01:34:16,172 I hadn't realized, actually, that for all of that time, 1573 01:34:16,215 --> 01:34:18,783 he wasn't doing anything at home. 1574 01:34:18,827 --> 01:34:23,092 So it was purely a musical idea. 1575 01:34:23,135 --> 01:34:25,181 I thought he ought to be there. 1576 01:34:25,224 --> 01:34:28,184 The point was he was the representative 1577 01:34:28,227 --> 01:34:32,405 of my kind of experience of the blues. 1578 01:34:32,449 --> 01:34:37,454 You know, Jimmie had to be a part of it. Had to be. 1579 01:34:37,497 --> 01:34:40,500 [narrator] A newly energized Jimmie started recording again, 1580 01:34:40,544 --> 01:34:44,766 then touring with a group of musicians he called the Tilt-a-Whirl Band. 1581 01:34:44,809 --> 01:34:46,768 After a while, he started performing a song 1582 01:34:46,811 --> 01:34:50,119 he dedicated to Stevie called "Six Strings Down." 1583 01:34:50,597 --> 01:34:54,993 Art Neville and his brothers wrote it. 1584 01:34:56,168 --> 01:34:58,649 They wrote the first verse, 1585 01:34:58,693 --> 01:35:00,303 and they sent it to me. 1586 01:35:00,346 --> 01:35:02,697 And I was trying to figure out what in the world... 1587 01:35:05,003 --> 01:35:07,397 what in the world could I tell my mother 1588 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,052 to ease her mind? 1589 01:35:10,095 --> 01:35:13,490 Right? What do you tell them? 1590 01:35:14,099 --> 01:35:15,840 There's nothing you can tell them. 1591 01:35:15,884 --> 01:35:18,538 So when Art Neville and the Neville Brothers 1592 01:35:18,582 --> 01:35:19,757 sent me this song... 1593 01:35:22,238 --> 01:35:25,502 "Alpine Valley in the middle of the night, 1594 01:35:25,545 --> 01:35:28,418 six strings down on the heaven-bound flight, 1595 01:35:28,461 --> 01:35:31,856 he's got a pick, a strap, and a guitar on his back. 1596 01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:34,772 Ain't gonna cut the angels no slack. 1597 01:35:34,816 --> 01:35:37,732 Heaven done called another blues stringer back home." 1598 01:35:38,167 --> 01:35:40,343 And I was like-- when I played that, I was like, 1599 01:35:40,386 --> 01:35:42,388 "There it is!" They had another verse. 1600 01:35:42,432 --> 01:35:44,695 "See the voodoo child 1601 01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:46,741 holding out his hand? 1602 01:35:46,784 --> 01:35:48,568 I've been waiting on you, brother. 1603 01:35:48,612 --> 01:35:50,832 Welcome to the band. 1604 01:35:50,875 --> 01:35:53,486 Good blues stringin', heaven fine singin', 1605 01:35:53,530 --> 01:35:57,490 Jesus, Mary, and Joseph been listening to their playin'. 1606 01:35:57,534 --> 01:36:00,363 Heaven done called another blues stringer back home." 1607 01:36:00,406 --> 01:36:02,669 So I thought, "Okay, this is it." 1608 01:36:02,713 --> 01:36:08,066 So I called him and said, "Look, can I just make my own verses 1609 01:36:08,110 --> 01:36:11,940 for the end and not use the bridge, is that okay?" 1610 01:36:11,983 --> 01:36:14,551 And they said, "Sure, whatever you want to do." 1611 01:36:14,594 --> 01:36:16,466 So, I made up the rest of the song, 1612 01:36:16,509 --> 01:36:18,860 and I put all those blues singers in there. 1613 01:36:18,903 --> 01:36:23,212 So it was-- it was sort of like blues heaven. You know Hillbilly Heaven? 1614 01:36:23,255 --> 01:36:26,824 We've all heard that. Maybe some of us have. 1615 01:36:26,868 --> 01:36:29,435 And it's about all the country singers 1616 01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,829 that have gone to Hillbilly Heaven. 1617 01:36:31,873 --> 01:36:34,179 So-- And so-- 1618 01:36:34,223 --> 01:36:36,573 When I heard the song by the Neville Brothers, 1619 01:36:36,616 --> 01:36:40,142 I thought "Six Strings Down," that's, you know-- 1620 01:36:40,185 --> 01:36:42,492 and then I put all these other guys in there with Stevie. 1621 01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:47,105 So then I can play it for my mom. 1622 01:36:48,803 --> 01:36:50,195 ♪ You know, Albert Collins Is up there ♪ 1623 01:36:52,676 --> 01:36:54,721 ♪ There's Muddy and Lightning Too ♪ 1624 01:36:56,723 --> 01:36:58,682 ♪ Albert King and Freddy ♪ 1625 01:37:00,336 --> 01:37:02,599 ♪ They're playing the blues ♪ 1626 01:37:04,079 --> 01:37:08,213 ♪ There's T-Bone Walker Guitar Slim ♪ 1627 01:37:08,257 --> 01:37:12,130 ♪ Little Shawn Jackson And Frankie Lee Sims ♪ 1628 01:37:12,174 --> 01:37:15,960 ♪ Heaven done called another Blues stringer back home ♪ 1629 01:37:19,355 --> 01:37:21,357 ♪ You know, James Cotton's Up there ♪ 1630 01:37:23,228 --> 01:37:24,969 ♪ He's with Muddy Waters Too ♪ 1631 01:37:27,058 --> 01:37:29,191 ♪ I've been waiting on you Brother ♪ 1632 01:37:31,106 --> 01:37:34,674 ♪ Welcome to the band ♪ 1633 01:37:34,718 --> 01:37:38,548 ♪ There's good blues stringin' Heaven's fine singin' ♪ 1634 01:37:38,591 --> 01:37:41,768 ♪ Jesus, Mary, and Joseph Been listening to their Playin' ♪ 1635 01:37:41,812 --> 01:37:43,901 [Jimmie continues playing] 1636 01:37:49,733 --> 01:37:55,347 ♪ Lord, they called Another blues stringer Back home ♪ 1637 01:37:57,436 --> 01:37:59,786 ♪ Lord, they called ♪ 1638 01:37:59,830 --> 01:38:02,528 ♪ Another blues stringer Back home ♪ 1639 01:38:05,096 --> 01:38:07,446 ♪ Lord they called ♪ 1640 01:38:07,490 --> 01:38:10,014 [crowd] ♪ Another blues stringer Back home ♪ 1641 01:38:12,930 --> 01:38:14,845 [cheering] 1642 01:38:19,502 --> 01:38:21,417 [mellow music] 1643 01:38:21,460 --> 01:38:23,985 [narrator] Back in the 1970s, there was a guitar dealer 1644 01:38:24,028 --> 01:38:26,074 in Dallas named Tony Dukes. 1645 01:38:26,117 --> 01:38:29,120 He sold vintage guitars to Billy Gibbons, 1646 01:38:29,164 --> 01:38:33,255 Elliot Easton of The Cars, Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick, 1647 01:38:33,298 --> 01:38:37,302 and a 1959 Gibson Les Paul that Don Felder used 1648 01:38:37,346 --> 01:38:41,176 for the guitar solo on "Hotel California." 1649 01:38:41,219 --> 01:38:45,049 Tony once said, "There are two kinds of people in this world, 1650 01:38:45,093 --> 01:38:47,660 those who are hip to the Vaughan Brothers and those who aren't." 1651 01:38:48,357 --> 01:38:50,794 Well, that pretty much sums it up. 1652 01:38:51,534 --> 01:38:55,755 I kind of miss Tony, he was quite the wordsmith, 1653 01:38:55,799 --> 01:39:01,500 and he could put expressions in such a hard-hitting manner. 1654 01:39:01,544 --> 01:39:04,547 That pretty much sums it up: two types of people, 1655 01:39:04,590 --> 01:39:07,202 those that know the Vaughan Brothers and those that don't. 1656 01:39:07,767 --> 01:39:10,770 Stevie just worshipped Jimmie. 1657 01:39:10,814 --> 01:39:15,950 I mean-- and I think Jimmie was probably a little-- 1658 01:39:15,993 --> 01:39:18,126 felt a little competitive of his little brother. 1659 01:39:18,909 --> 01:39:21,259 But you could tell they loved each other, 1660 01:39:21,303 --> 01:39:23,740 but there was definitely a rivalry there. 1661 01:39:23,783 --> 01:39:26,177 I think everyone pretty much knew that. 1662 01:39:26,221 --> 01:39:30,921 So... But obviously he loved Stevie very much. 1663 01:39:30,965 --> 01:39:36,927 And they kind of got sober together. And I think they bonded then. 1664 01:39:37,536 --> 01:39:40,583 The thing that was so peculiar to me is that there was, like, 1665 01:39:40,626 --> 01:39:43,368 not even a hint of animosity. 1666 01:39:43,412 --> 01:39:45,022 It was exactly the opposite. 1667 01:39:45,066 --> 01:39:47,546 It was almost hero worship. 1668 01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:51,246 Like, it was clear that Jimmie 1669 01:39:52,203 --> 01:39:56,381 was Stevie's big brother and Stevie idolized him. 1670 01:39:56,425 --> 01:40:01,125 And, you know, Jimmie was the guy who started playing guitar first. 1671 01:40:01,169 --> 01:40:04,433 And as Jimmie would say, it was cool, 1672 01:40:04,476 --> 01:40:08,654 he says like, "He picked up my guitars and whatever. 1673 01:40:08,698 --> 01:40:12,267 And then he went off somewhere and he came back, and he was like, 1674 01:40:13,485 --> 01:40:17,272 "God!" He was like, "Man, where did that come?" 1675 01:40:17,315 --> 01:40:21,493 [Jimmy Wallace] Seeing Bugs, seeing Seab Meador, seeing Jimmie Vaughan, 1676 01:40:21,537 --> 01:40:24,105 I mean-- and Stevie as he grew up, 1677 01:40:24,148 --> 01:40:28,500 it was an incredible experience to see all these guys, 1678 01:40:28,544 --> 01:40:32,069 because that's a pretty high standard, you know? 1679 01:40:32,113 --> 01:40:36,378 [Mike] A lot of folks kind of like-- since Stevie's style was a lot flashier, 1680 01:40:36,421 --> 01:40:40,077 they said, "Oh, Stevie plays circles around Jimmie." 1681 01:40:40,904 --> 01:40:43,689 Jimmie played like he played, and it was perfect. 1682 01:40:43,733 --> 01:40:45,561 It was what it was supposed to be. 1683 01:40:45,604 --> 01:40:47,824 Jimmie made every note count. Yeah. 1684 01:40:47,867 --> 01:40:50,479 So that's my that's my take on it. 1685 01:40:51,132 --> 01:40:54,048 [Jackson] I can't imagine either one of them not having been a guitarist. 1686 01:40:55,092 --> 01:40:57,573 If it wasn't Stevie, you know, 1687 01:40:57,616 --> 01:41:01,142 glomming on to Jimmie's guitar and, you know, 1688 01:41:01,185 --> 01:41:03,231 it would have been someone else's guitar. 1689 01:41:03,274 --> 01:41:06,103 I think with Stevie and I, we were just desperate. 1690 01:41:07,017 --> 01:41:10,064 And, you know, If you want to do something real bad, 1691 01:41:11,369 --> 01:41:16,983 you can have talent, and you can have gumption and means and everything else. 1692 01:41:17,027 --> 01:41:20,552 But if you really want to do something, you got to be desperate. 1693 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:25,383 I once asked Jimmie, I said, "Where did it all start?" 1694 01:41:25,427 --> 01:41:29,300 And, uh, it was a family thing. 1695 01:41:31,694 --> 01:41:38,048 But then, like so many musicians that were leaning 1696 01:41:38,092 --> 01:41:40,790 to improving their style or their skill, 1697 01:41:40,833 --> 01:41:46,622 it seems that so many of us were drawing from the similar influences. 1698 01:41:46,665 --> 01:41:48,667 I mean, the list of blues players that... 1699 01:41:51,496 --> 01:41:55,587 laid the way for us to follow would be lengthy. 1700 01:41:58,068 --> 01:42:04,074 And Jimmie and I still talk as if it were the day we were starting, 1701 01:42:04,118 --> 01:42:10,776 because the originators of the blues allowed us to become interpreters. 1702 01:42:11,429 --> 01:42:17,522 And I think that Stevie fell right into that same groove. 1703 01:42:18,306 --> 01:42:21,047 And to this day, I think it would be fair to say 1704 01:42:21,091 --> 01:42:24,355 that a lot of guitar players... 1705 01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:29,055 are attempting to traverse that same path, 1706 01:42:29,882 --> 01:42:36,672 and very few make it with such technical dexterity as Jimmie and Stevie. 1707 01:42:37,499 --> 01:42:40,545 They have cracked the code. They know how to do it. 1708 01:42:40,589 --> 01:42:42,721 I think because he really was one of us. 1709 01:42:43,722 --> 01:42:46,290 He went other places, he traveled the world, 1710 01:42:47,117 --> 01:42:50,076 but when Stevie got out of rehab, 1711 01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,471 he came back to Dallas, and he lived with his mother in Oak Cliff. 1712 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:58,084 And how many people who played at Carnegie Hall, and won Grammys 1713 01:42:58,128 --> 01:43:01,044 and all of the awards that he's won, world renowned, 1714 01:43:01,087 --> 01:43:02,741 would intentionally come back 1715 01:43:02,785 --> 01:43:05,831 and live in this little frame house in Oak Cliff? 1716 01:43:05,875 --> 01:43:09,879 [indistinct chatter] 1717 01:43:09,922 --> 01:43:13,752 [narrator] Just recently, the city of Dallas approved funds to erect an artwork 1718 01:43:13,796 --> 01:43:16,451 honoring both Jimmie and Stevie in Kiest Park, 1719 01:43:16,494 --> 01:43:18,714 only four blocks away from their childhood home. 1720 01:43:20,019 --> 01:43:24,502 On this very spot right here, I don't know how 1721 01:43:25,416 --> 01:43:28,854 the people that put this artwork here knew this, 1722 01:43:30,682 --> 01:43:33,424 but when my mother and father were dating, 1723 01:43:35,818 --> 01:43:42,520 he pulled his brand-new car-- it was a couple of years old, '47 Ford Coupe. 1724 01:43:42,564 --> 01:43:49,571 He pulled it right here, and I got a picture of my dad standing on the front bumper. 1725 01:43:49,614 --> 01:43:54,184 [narrator] For two boys who came from nowhere, they both wound up somewhere, 1726 01:43:54,228 --> 01:43:58,144 and now they will be immortalized in their hometown of Oak Cliff 1727 01:43:58,188 --> 01:44:01,191 near their childhood home forever more. 1728 01:44:02,192 --> 01:44:04,542 [Eric] Look out for the Vaughan brothers, 1729 01:44:04,586 --> 01:44:08,459 'cause they're seriously dangerous people. [laughs] 1730 01:44:08,503 --> 01:44:10,461 They just got that thing, man. 1731 01:44:10,505 --> 01:44:12,376 That Texas thing. 1732 01:44:12,420 --> 01:44:15,118 Just so badass, you know, just such great players. 1733 01:44:15,161 --> 01:44:16,641 And, you know... 1734 01:44:19,122 --> 01:44:20,515 [chuckles] 1735 01:44:21,342 --> 01:44:23,257 ["Life by the Drop" by Stevie Ray Vaughan] 1736 01:44:32,135 --> 01:44:36,792 ♪ Hello there, my old friend ♪ 1737 01:44:36,835 --> 01:44:41,927 ♪ Not so long ago It was till the end ♪ 1738 01:44:41,971 --> 01:44:46,845 ♪ We played outside In the pouring rain ♪ 1739 01:44:46,889 --> 01:44:51,850 ♪ On the way up the road We started over again ♪ 1740 01:44:51,894 --> 01:44:56,638 ♪ You're livin' our dream As though you're on top ♪ 1741 01:44:56,681 --> 01:45:01,643 ♪ My mind is aching Lord, it won't stop ♪ 1742 01:45:01,686 --> 01:45:05,342 ♪ That's how it happened Living life by the drop ♪ 1743 01:45:10,695 --> 01:45:15,744 ♪ Up and down the road In our worn out shoes ♪ 1744 01:45:15,787 --> 01:45:19,095 ♪ Talking 'bout good things And singing the blues ♪ 1745 01:45:20,792 --> 01:45:25,710 ♪ You went your way And I stayed behind ♪ 1746 01:45:25,754 --> 01:45:30,672 ♪ We both knew it was just A matter of time ♪ 1747 01:45:30,715 --> 01:45:35,329 ♪ Livin' our dreams As though you're on top ♪ 1748 01:45:35,372 --> 01:45:40,159 ♪ My mind is aching Lord, it won't stop ♪ 1749 01:45:40,203 --> 01:45:43,554 ♪ That's how it happens Living life by the drop ♪ 1750 01:45:48,951 --> 01:45:54,173 ♪ No wasted time We're alive today ♪ 1751 01:45:54,217 --> 01:45:57,263 ♪ Churning up the past There's no easier way ♪ 1752 01:45:59,265 --> 01:46:04,096 ♪ Time's been between us A means to an end ♪ 1753 01:46:04,140 --> 01:46:07,186 ♪ God, it's good to be here Walking together, my friend ♪ 1754 01:46:08,884 --> 01:46:10,625 ♪ Livin' a dream ♪ 1755 01:46:13,367 --> 01:46:14,890 ♪ My mind starts achin' ♪ 1756 01:46:18,110 --> 01:46:21,723 ♪ That's how it happened Livin' life by the drop ♪ 1757 01:46:26,684 --> 01:46:30,427 ♪ That's how it happened Living life by the drop ♪ 1758 01:46:35,258 --> 01:46:39,828 ♪ That's how it happened Living life by the drop ♪ 1759 01:46:43,005 --> 01:46:45,007 [blues music] 149341

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