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[operator speaking on phone]

[Hendricks speaking on phone]

[operator speaking on phone]

-[Pakanich speaking on phone] -[operator speaking on phone]

[Pakanich speaking on phone]

[both speaking on phone]

[man 1 speaking]

[man 2 speaking]

[man 3 speaking]

[man 4] The thing inside of me, it's like,

the appetite, it's like a wolf, it's...

beyond hunger.

[officer speaking]

[Pakanich speaking]

[both speaking]

[footsteps approaching]

[intense music playing]

[both officers speaking]

-[officer 2] That was quick. -[officer 1 speaking]

[both officers speaking]

When you see butchery like this in murder cases,

it does suggest that the individual

who perpetrated this violence

had some sadistic tendencies or sadistic fantasies

that they were able to carry out.

This is not a typical murder.

[both officers speaking]

[man] She's kind of nonchalant.

She doesn't seem to be concerned,

fearful, suspicious of the police.

Um, she's standing there in a relatively calm state.

So that's different than most people would be

if they're alarmed 'cause they think something bad happened.

[detective speaking]

[Taylor speaking]

[both speaking]

[Taylor speaking]

[Dr. Ankur Saraiya speaking] If you're speaking with a police officer

and he says, "Hey, this person you know

they found some disturbing things."

And the first thing he says is a lot of blood,

I mean, the natural reaction

for any person is gonna be,

"Oh, my gosh. Is he okay?"

or something along those lines.

So even though the pause

before he gets to the even more shocking phrase of severed head,

you can see, again, no reaction.

So what we do know about Taylor Schabusiness

is that, um, in the past

she has exhibited a number of behaviors

and had a number of experiences.

First, she has exhibited assaultive behavior

towards other students in high school,

we know that she's done drugs,

we know that she is not free of a behavioral history

of being able to be aggressive and hostile and violent.

So all those things would be on a differential to try and sort out

about what's going on with her and what happened with Shad.

[both speaking]

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[Dr. Chriscelyn Tussey] It's curious that when they ask her

about her mental health history,

she states that she doesn't know yet.

It makes me wonder

if she's trying to set the stage

to be able to avoid or mitigate

her responsibility in this crime.

[Dr. Ankur] Well, that's very typical

of individuals with psychopathy,

in that they don't wanna give too many details early on

because they're still trying to figure out

how they're gonna spin the story.

[both speaking]

[Dr. Charles A. Morgan III] She's framing it right now

as "we were both into this thing,"

the strangulation.

But as the story goes on,

it becomes much more clear that this was an interest

that she had prior to that evening.

It's something that she's enjoyed before,

and it's something she planned on doing.

And it's not something particularly that maybe Shad was into.

Shad suffered from depression.

It might make him more vulnerable

to believing hat she cared about him,

and then he would become more easily manipulated

so that she could use him for whatever reason she needed.

[Dr. Chriscelyn] Research has shown some correlation

between psychopathy and sadistic behavior.

She's describing it as if it was a consensual activity.

But we know that ultimately she not only murdered him,

but then dismembered him in a very vile way.

So there's certainly some sadistic behavior

that took place at her hands.

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[Dr. Chriscelyn] She's almost completely detached

from humanity as she's describing it.

Even the fact that his mother found his head,

the fact that this was someone she had a relationship with,

it's her ex-boyfriend.

And she's describing his dismembered body parts, again, almost with pride.

And I think that the way that she states that

is rather chilling, and shows that there is truly

no remorse and association, with his human life.

[detective and Taylor speaking]

Her descriptions are really clear.

She's identifying items,

color, where they are, what kind of knives...

So, she's, she's now getting very specific,

and also making some of the comments,

they almost sound like dark humor.

She's already throwing in little allusions

to what's to come for the police officer.

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[Dr. Chriscelyn] Schabusiness seems quite interested

in control and domination.

That's clear from when she even talks

about walking him like a dog or riding him like a donkey.

By ultimately strangling him until he died,

she created a, a play object for her.

We know from the records that she actually engaged

in necrophilic acts with his body.

She was again in complete control

now that she had killed him.

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[Dr. Charles] People often wonder. what's the association

between sexual arousal, violence...

and she words it,

"You love something so much you want to kill it."

What we do know from a neurophysiologic standpoint

is that extreme states of arousal

and extreme states of rage have similar neurochemistry.

Um, and so we think that

in some people that's why the two can get paired.

Some people find it emotionally a turn on when there's violence

and when there's violence occurring,

it's arousing to them.

[detective and Taylor speaking]

[reporter 1 speaking] A 24-year-old woman charged in one of Brown County's

most gruesome homicides is found competent to stand trial by a doctor.

But the case against Taylor Schabusiness is not moving forward just yet.

[reporter 2] Instead, another psychiatric evaluation is being allowed

before a judge decides what to do next.

[Taylor and officers speaking]

When she's in the courtroom, she notices cameras.

She can play to the camera,

she can smirk, she can interact.

And so it's almost, if I can't put my expert on,

um, I'll go ahead and attack my attorney

and show people I'm crazy.

I think it's deliberate,

'cause she's feigning the confusion.

Like, that's not how the psychiatric illness would manifest itself.

[man] When you were reviewing the phone itself,

the extraction of the phone itself, on March 2nd of 2022,

did you note any searches related to Jeffrey Dahmer?

Twenty four total.

Um, searches, such things like, "Jeffrey Dahmer,

Jeffrey Dahmer walking into court, all sexy."

[man] And did you likewise see any photographs of Jeffrey Dahmer?

Yes, there's a picture of Jeffrey Dahmer

on the screen of the cell phone,

and she's smiling.

Like they're taking a selfie together.

When we look at her fascination

and her obsession with Jeffrey Dahmer,

he's almost like a role model for her.

Like someone she wants to be like or emulate.

Jeffrey Dahmer, when he killed people,

he liked to dismember them, keep the body parts.

He liked to save the heads.

And she's emulating that ideal.

[Kelly Thyrion] When you meet a person in school,

you say he's your friend, you become friends.

Become girlfriend and boyfriend,

lovers, gain his trust...

An innocent person that's very kind,

would do anything for you.

I believe you used that

and you had this plan,

and took your opportunity when you did.

There's no excuse.

You know, I don't see it no other way.

I will pray that you meet the same fate

as your idolistic Jeffrey Dahmer.

[man] We, the jury, find the defendant,

Taylor Denise Schabusiness

guilty of first degree intentional homicide.