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Weighing�in at�274�pounds...
The�Sandman!
[narrator] In�the�1990s,
Extreme�Championship Wrestling�was�meaner,
more�aggressive,�and bloodier�than�anything
audiences had�seen�before,
as�the�demands�of�the company's�rabid�fanbase�led�to
a�dangerous�escalation of�in-ring�violence.
What�is�this? These�guys�are�crazy.
It�felt�so�personal.
Daddy,�you're�drunk.
And�I�think�that's�why�the fans�were�so�involved�with�it.
People�didn't�know�if it�was�scripted�or�not.
And�the�more�popular�it�got,
the�more�they�had�to top�the�last�show.
An�escalation�embodied by�The�Sandman.
The�Sandman!
You�know,�got�his�jeans�on, his�t-shirt�on,
his�kendo�stick,�smoking�a cigarette,�drinking�a�beer.
Fan's�like,�"I�could be�this�guy."
You�might�think�it�is, because�all�you�see�is
a�beer�drinking,�cigarette smoking,�scumbag.
Sandman's�character�was�as organic�as�it�could�get.
God,�I�love�ECW.
There's�not�a�whole�lot�of difference�between
James�Fullington and�The�Sandman.
What�can�I�do�that somebody�hasn't�done?
I�can�make�myself�bleed before�I�get�into�the�ring?
Nobody�else has�done�that.
Though�a�hardcore�icon
countless�injuries�and�a lawless�locker�room
create�no�shortage�of controversies,
leaving�The�Sandman with�a�brutal�and
complicated�legacy.
Somebody�has�got�to stop�The�Sandman.
Why�fuck�with�what's going�on�in�the�back?
As�soon�as�the�coke�ends, or�the�pot�ends,
there�was,�you�know, painkillers.
We�all�did�alcohol, drugs,�pills�that
you�could possibly�think�of.
I�don't�know�if�he�remembers even�half�of�the�stuff
that�has�ever�happened.
I�told�my�family,�said,�"Tell them�the�fucking�worst.
People�need�to�know�this."
[Chanting] ECW!�ECW!
He�should've�been dead�a�long�time�ago.
[Bell�chiming�continues]
Yeah...
Alright,�so�my music's�playing.
Maybe�some�days it's�30�seconds,
some�days�it's�a minute�and�a�half...
but�at�the�one�point, it's�like,�alright,
everybody�should�be�clapping your�hands�at�this�point.
So�when�I�come�in, I�don't�want
everybody�to�see�me at�one�time.
I�want,�like,�some�people�to see�me�and�they'll�be�like,
"Oh,�shit, he's�over�there"!
And�then�it�works�its way�around�the�building,
and�it�might�take�ten, fifteen�seconds�'til
everybody�actually�figures out�you're�over�here.
[Cheering]
And�then�at�that point�I�got�'em
and�it's�time to�pop�a�beer.
Back�in�the�day,�dude, I�would�drink,�like,
six�beers�on�the way�to�the�ring.
I'd�smash�'em against�my�head.
I'd�be�bloody�before�I even�get�into�the�ring.
I�mean,�that's his�personality.
He's�drinking�beer, spitting�it�out.
He's�pouring�beer down�your�throat.
[Cheering]
You�feel�like�you're part�of�it,�and�you�are.
If�you�got�a 'Sandman'�shirt�on,
you're�definitely�getting�a beer�poured�down�your�throat.
You�know�what I'm�saying?
It's�the�best�part of�the�show...
unless�you're�wrestling. If�you're�wrestling�it�sucks
'cause�you�gotta�wait�for him�to�get�to�the�ring.
But�if�you're�watching, it's�great.
You�know,�'cause�you�give the�fans�what�they�want.
He's�one�of�them, you�know?
It's�a�great�entrance.
With�those�pants,�and put�the�durag�on,
it's�like�the�equivalent�of like�getting�up�and�putting�a
hat�on�and,�you�know,�going and�doing�your�errands.
Except�this�guy�was�putting this�shit�on�and�going�out
and�entertaining�hundreds of�thousands�of�people.
At�this�point�I'm�having�as much�fun�as�they're�having,
you�know�what�I�mean, because...
this�is what�I�want�to�do.
This�is�what,�what�I�worked my�whole�life�to�be�in�this
fucking�moment�right,�right�now, you�know�what�I�mean?
I�want�that�moment�to last�forever,�you�know?
I�want�to�live in�that�moment.
It's�a�party.�You�know, his�entrance�is�a�party.
And,�you�know,�once that's�over,�then,�you�know,
you�gotta�see�him�wrestle.
Oh!
Oh�my�God!
Yo,�I'm�The�Sandman. What�the�fuck�up?
Yeah,�dude. My�parents�call�me�Hak,
my�kids�call�me�Hak,
my�granddaughter calls�me�Poppy�Hak.
I've�had�that�name�since I�was�five�years�old,
my�older�brother gave�it�to�me.
Ah,�dude,�it�was�like Saturday�afternoon.
I�watched�WW...WF�at one�o'clock�on�Saturdays.
Down�goes�Conrad!
Dude,�that's�all�I ever�wanted�to�be
was�a�professional�wrestler.
And�the�bloodied�Sandman thrown�through�that�table.
I�was�all�coked�up and�I�was�drunk�and...
I�burglarize�the�house,�which is�basically�the�only,�like,
real�like,�"crime"�crime that�I�ever�did.
And�my�first�day�in�jail,�I punched�a�guard�in�the�face.
I�got�in�a�fight�with�a guy�over�the�television.
I�was�watching�something, and�he�went�to�change�it
and�then�we�got�in�a�fight.
Two�guards�were, had�to�break�it�up.
He�ducked,�I�punched a�guard�in�the�face.
Broke�his�glasses.
I�was�lucky�I�didn't�get charged�with�assault
on�a�guard.�That�could�have been�a�couple�of�years,
you�know�what�I�mean?
But�I�ended�up�literally going�to�the�hole
for�six�months.
I'm�glad�it�happened because,�you�know,
it's�throwing�a rock�in�a�pond.
If�that�ripple's�not�there, maybe�this�ripple's�not�here.
It's�just�the�stupid�shit I�walk�into�in�my�life.
?
I�get�out�of�jail, it's�like�'84.
And�like,�this�new club�opens�up.
[Chattering]
And�dude,�the�place holds�2,000�people.
It's�like�five�storeys�high.
It's�like�the greatest�thing�ever.
So,�Thursday�nights�was�ten bucks�all�you�could�drink.
So�I'm�out�there, I'm�on�the�dance�floor.
Some�blonde�comes�up�and starts�dancing�with�me,
grabs�me�by�my�hand,
and�started�walking�me across�dance�floor.
I'm�like,�"Alright.
Where�am�I�gonna�go�have sex�with�this�chick?
Where�is-"�'Cause�that's exactly�what�I'm�thinking.
We�end�up�going up�these�stairs.
We're�in�this�little�frickin' office,�and�I'm�like,
"Well,�how�am�I�gonna�do this�in�this�little�office"?
She�goes, "Take�your�shirt�off."
I'm�thinking�how�am�I gonna�screw�her?
She�goes,�"Listen, I'm�a�producer-director
for�the�Chippendales.
I�want�you�to�be�a Chippendales."
I�was�one�of�those guys�who�wore�the
black�pants,�tight�pants, the�cuffs�and�the�collar,
and�I�just�entertain the�women.
Because�I�don't�leave�the club�until�two�o'clock
in�the�morning,�you�know.
You're�snorting�coke�with the�boys�who's�down
in�the�locker�room,�because that's�just�what�you�did
back�in�them�days. You�know�what�I�mean?
And�then�I�go�out�to the�after-hours�club,
and�then�I�go�to�the�club that�opened�up�at�6�AM.
It's�just�crazy,�man.
And�that�was�my�job�for the�next�year�or�so,
until�I�got�fired for�soliciting.
Soliciting. And�I�got...
because�they�weren't paying�a�lot�of�money.
I�had�like�four�guys in�on�it�with�me.
So,�it�was�100�bucks to�do�us,
there�was�the�Alpine�Inn�down the�street,�that�was�42.50.
So�of�course,�100�for�us, 42.50�for�the�Alpine�Inn
for�however�long�it�took.
And�that�lasted�for�about�six months,�until...�I�don't�know,
just�one�day�there's�a couple�of�state�troopers,
they're�like,�"Listen,�we could�file�some�charges,
or�you�could�quit and�tell�us�who,
who�your�boys�are." I�said,
"Well,�I'm�not�telling you�who�my�boys�are.
That's�your�job�to figure�that�out.
But,�I'll�quit." So�I�was�done.
He�was�not�the�type�that�I would've�saw�myself
going�for,�really. He�was�very...
I�don't�know�if�you want�to�say�flamboyant,
but�something drew�me�to�him.
And�believe�it�or�not,�that night�we�sat�and�talked,
and�he�was�just�like, "I�think�I�could�love�you."
-Hey,�I�work�quick. -[Laughing]
Dude,�that's�kinda how�I've�been�with...
it's�like�I�meet�'em and�then,�like,�I'm�in.
I�ended�up�actually, a�few�months�later,
finding�out�I was�pregnant.
And�he�said�he'd�like�to�get married�before�the�child
was�born�so�he�wasn't born�out�of�wedlock.
Miss�Peaches!
[Cheering]
My�name�is Lori�Stolecki,�a.k.a.
'Peaches'�from�ECW, and�Sandman's�ex-wife.
He�was�in�construction at�the�time,
and�Joel�Goodhart�opened up�a�wrestling�school.
I�had�to�go�check�it�out, and�then�next�thing�you�know,
dude,�like,�three�days�later, I�gave�the�guy,�like,
3,500�bucks.
Three�months�later I�was�in�the�ring.
It's�not�gonna�be�pretty.
There's�gonna�be�blood, there's�gonna�be
broken�bones,�and it's�me�and�you.
When�I�first�signed, it�was�probably�1991.
He�was�a�surfer.
He�had�white�stuff�on�his nose,�he�wore�a�wetsuit,
and�he�carried�a�surfboard.
From�South�Beach, California...
this�is�The�Sandman!
My�name's�Sabu.
I've�been�wrestling over�30�years,
and�I�participated�in�ECW.
Oh�my�God!
I,�I�remember�him.
And�he�came�out�with Peaches,�his�wife.
I�met�up�with�the�promoter, and�he�goes,�"I�got�your�name.
You're�gonna�be 'Mr.�Sandman'."
And�he�looks�at�my�wife, then�he�goes,
"You're�gonna�be�'Peaches'."
Peaches!
He�used�to�wear�this god�awful�wetsuit
that�smelled�horrible.
I'm�Kelly,�and�The Sandman�is�my�dad.
And�he�would�come�out with�my�mom,�Miss�Peaches,
and�he�would�come�out�with his�stupid�surfboard.
That�was�his�very first�gimmick.
You�know,�it�started out�doing,�like,
little�gymnasiums,�and, like,�car�dealerships...
but�it�was,�like,�just�a fresh�new�company.
It�was,�like, everybody�was�just
getting�their�bearings, you�know?
We're�feeling�it�out.
But,�he�was consistent�with�it.
It�was�like�his�life's�dream.
It's�my�pleasure�being here�with�all�you�people,
'cause�if�it�wasn't�for�you, I�wouldn't�have�this�belt!
Irish�Whip!
The�gimmick�was�bad, his�ability�was�not.
I�mean,�he's�big, he�was�good�looking,
very�bright,�very�athletic.
Oh!
My�name�is�Tod�Gordon.
I'm�the�creator�and the�founder�of
Extreme�Championship Wrestling.
Oh,�thank�heaven.�Here's�our commissioner,�here's�Tod.
Sandman�and�I�have�been�best friends�since�we�first�met
30�years�ago,�when�I started�my�own�company,
which�was�Eastern Championship�Wrestling
at�the�time, which�became
Extreme�Championship Wrestling.
He�was�on�my�first grouping�of�people�to�use.
I've�had�that�belt, I've�been�there�before,
and�I'll�be�there�again.
Sandman�now�on�top�of�thing.
Philadelphia's�Eastern Championship�Wrestling
was�a�struggling indie�promotion,
until�the�arrival�of Paul�Heyman,
who�transforms the�company�into
Extreme�Championship Wrestling,
Look�at�him! Fuck�him!
Paul�Heyman�was�the right�guy�because
he�is�great�mind for�the�business.
How�to�be�a�rule breaker�101.
Dude,�he�is�the greatest�mind�ever�in,
in�the�history�of professional�wrestling.
Creatively,�nobody�could touch�Paul�Heyman�and
come�anywhere close�to�that�dude.
And�I�would�not�be�sitting here�right�now�if�it�wasn't
for�Paul�Heyman�giving�me the�ball�and�letting�me�run.
First�night, I�go�in�there,
fucking�he�sees�me with�the�surfboard.
He�goes,�"That's�getting�broken over�your�head�tonight."
And�then�the�next thing�you�know,
I�forgot�my�wrestling�boots.
I'm�like,�"Paul,�sorry�dude, I�forgot�my�wrestling�boots."
He�goes,�"I�don't�give a�fuck."�And�I'm�like...
I�don't�have�to�wear wrestling�shoes�no�more.
Dude,�it�was�a�fucking�light bulb�going�off�in�my�head.
When�Paul�Heyman�says, "I�don't�give�a�fuck�if
you're�wearing�wrestling boots."�I'm�like,�boom,
I'm�not�even�gonna�change. I'm�gonna�wear�the�clothes...
I'm�gonna,�I'm�gonna�show up�to�the�arena,�and�dude,
I'm�gonna�be�me.
I'm�just�gonna�fucking be�me�out�there.
And�it�got�to�that-�It�was at�that�point�I'm�like,
you're�never gonna�be�able�to
walk�through this�curtain�again.
Like,�you,�you�literally cannot�enter�the�ring
like�a�normal wrestler�ever�again,
because�this�is�what's expected�of�you.
He�will�be�more�hardcore�than the�next�Traci�Lords�video.
And�as�for�me, Paul�E.�Dangerously,
haven't�had�a shave�in�a�couple�of�weeks
and�don't�look�like�I really�care�anymore!
Upon�Paul�Heyman's�arrival,
The�Sandman�drops his�surfer�look,
changing�with�the�times to�re-invent�himself
with�a�whole�new�persona.
I�was�always trying�to�figure,
what�hasn't somebody�done?
Well,�the�good�time's�over, here�comes�The�Sandman.
I'm�the�guy�that's�in�the�bar, loses�a�game�of�pool,
and�wants�to�get into�a�fight�with�ya.
That�was�me�in my�life,�dude.
That�was�my�regular Friday�and�Saturday�night.
You�know�what�I�mean? Like,�I�was�a�gimmick...
by,�by�myself, born�as�a�gimmick.
We�got�to�be�ourselves�in the�dressing�room�and
ourselves�in�the�ring.
The�beauty�of Paul's�intelligence,
is�he�makes�you figure�it�out.
By�trial�and�error,�that's how�he�became�The�Sandman.
Hey,�daddy.
My�name�is Bill�'Fonzie'�Alfonso,
and�I�am�a�40�year plus�veteran�of
sports�entertainment.
This�is�a�winner! He's�a�winner!
Fuck�you,�asshole!
He�would�put�things�together in�his�head�that
he�thought�would�work�in ECW,�and�they�did.
Life's�a�bitch...
and�then�you�marry�one.
He's�a�typical�Philly�guy.
Like,�you�go�to�a�bar, you�get�in�a�brawl,
you�know, here's�the�dude.
He�was�a�relatable character.
People�could�kind�of�identify with�that�South�Philly�vibe.
He�was�your�buddy�who�would come�off�the�couch�and�just
step�into�the�ring,�and�swing a�cane�and�drink�a�beer.
My�name�is�Raven, professional�wrestling
superstar,�but�you already�know�that.
For�the�first�time�ever,
Raven�goes�one�on�one with�The�Sandman.
You�know,�every�fan�says, "Oh,�I�would�get�in�the�ring."
Sandman�with�the guillotine�leg�drop.
But�he's�the�guy�that actually�goes�and�does�it.
Part�of�being�a�good�worker is�knowing�how�to�get�your
character�over�and�how�to keep�the�character�over.
And�he's�done�that�for, you�know,�35�years�now.
Well,�yeah!�And�like, coming�through�the�crowd.
I�think�I�came�through the�crowd�because,
me�and�Missy�were�coming through�the�crowd.
[Laughing]�Dude. Me�and�Missy.
[Laughing]�We're�in fucking�Queens,
and�there�is this�strip�club.
Me�and�Missy�are�over�in�the strip�club�and�my�music's
playing,�it's�already played�once�this�whole�time.
So,�I�wasn't�going,�fucking up�through�the�back,
into�in�there.
I�just�went�through the�front�fucking�door.
Boom!�Light�bulb.
Nobody's�come�through the�crowd�before.
Just�drinking�his�beer, walking�through�the�audience.
Meanwhile,�he's�drunk�off his�ass�by�then,�geez.
Then�he's�drinking�five on�the�way�to�the�ring.
We�trusted�him�because
we�knew�he�was able�to�do�it.
My�name�is�RVD. That�stands�for...
Rob!�Van!�Dam!
[Cheering]
You�know,�he�proved�himself that�he�was�able�to
wrestle�when he�was�drunk.
Watching�him,�I�would�get nervous�with�his
freaking�ass,�climbing�up�on the�top�rope�and�I'm�like,
"Is�he�really�gonna attempt�this
aerial�maneuver right�now"?
Oh!
I�know�I�can trust�him�drunk.
Anybody�drunk?�No.
Sandman,�yes. Anybody�else?
I�wouldn't�allow�it�either. But�Sandman...
you're�not�drunk?
I'm�not�wrestling�you. [Laughing]
So,�it's�a�Sunday.
Paul's�like, "Let's�go�outside."
And�we're�standing�next to�this�fucking�tree.
Paul�goes,�"You�know that�kid�overseas�that
got�caught�spray painting�the�car"?
I'm�like,�"Yeah,�kid, Michael�Fay."�He�goes,
"Good,�you�know�what I'm�talking�about."
Singapore�had�sentenced�an 18�year�old�American
to�six�strokes�with a�bamboo�cane.
And�I�said,�"Yeah."
Dude,�you�ever�see�that fucking�cane�that�they�use?
Every�shot�they�hit�you with�it�makes�you�bleed.
He�goes,�"You're�gonna�start carrying�a�Singapore�cane
to�the�ring."�I'm�like,�"Paul, okay,�what�am�I�gonna�use"?
He�goes...
rips�a�branch�off the�fucking�tree,
rips�all�the�little�other branches�off�it,�says,
"Get�some�tape, wrap�it�around�there.
That's�gonna�be your�Singapore�cane.
I�want�you�to�cut a�promo�with�it."
The�first�ever Singapore�Caning�Match.
May�14th Saturday�night�ECW!
And�now�it's�The�Sandman caning�Iron�Man�Tommy�Cairo.
-[Smacking] -Did�you�hear�that?
And�then�the,�the�angle�with Dreamer,�just.�[Whistling]
It�went�to�ten�lashes.
I�can't�look!
Ah!
It�skyrocketed�both of�our�careers.
He�got�his�ass�kicked, but�he�took�it�like�a�man.
And�Philly�loves�that.
Thank�you,�sir. May�I�have�another!
And�The�Sandman�takes an�eleventh�shot!
It's�hardcore because�it's�real.
And�to�me�you're�pulling something�out�of�the�inside
of�somebody�that�they're feeling�somehow
what�you're�doing in�the�ring.
Hardcore�isn't�violence to�do�violence.
To�me,�like,�the�hardcore is�violence�for�a�reason.
And�then�it�just means�more�people,
and�you�can�see�it in�their�faces.
You�can�see�how�they�react.
Sandman�wasn't�a�wrestler.
He�was�a�entertainer.
That�cigarette�hit�our cameraman�right�in�the�eye.
That's�what�ECW�was�about.
Wrestling�is�entertainment.
You�don't�have�to�do�a wristlock,�a�wristwatch,
a�moonsault�to get�over�it.
It�doesn't�have to�be�wrestling.
I'm�getting�ready�to�take�you to�a�new�level�of�extreme!
Ah!
He�got�better�and�better�and knew�how�to�play�The�Sandman,
and�he�was�just acting�this�part�out.
Everybody�was�kind of�riding�that�high.
Everyone�was�like,�"Man, like,�they�made�it."
We're�in�this�very concentrated�community�and
everybody�knew who�he�was.
He�dropped�me�off�at�school and�he's�got�gash�marks
on�his�head�from�like the�beer�cans.
And�my�teacher's like,�"The�fuck...
Tyler,�you�alright?"
I'm�Tyler�Fullington,�and The�Sandman�is�my�father.
Every�time�he�was�home, you�know,
he�made�sure�to�spend�time with�us�because
he�knew�he�would�be�on the�road,�you�know,
a�lot,�and�be�away.
And�he�wanted�to�make sure�that�his�kids�were
having�his�time when�he�was�home.
You�know, hurting�or�not.
He�would�just roll�out�of�bed,
throw�pants�on�and�like, let's�roll.
Literally,�he�would�say, "Let's�roll"!
The�older�and�older�I�got�I felt,�this�is�cool�and�all,
but�times�I'd�rather just�have�my�dad�around.
Sandman's�schedule�becomes�even more�punishing
as�ECW�explodes�in�popularity
by�constantly�pushing�their�own limits.
Paul's�show�is aimed�at�adults.
The�Sandman�exposes his�ex-wife!
And�so�storylines were�adult.
The�Sandman's�got a�hold�of�his�wife!
He�just,�he�just pulled�up�her...
and�woman�is lashing�Peaches!
Just�thought�like, this�is�like�the
furthest�thing from�pro�wrestling.
But�Paul�would guide�us�the�way
the�ECW�energy needed�to�be.
Well,�I�had�Nancy�with�me, too,�so�that�helps.
Why�thank�you, Sandman.
And�that's�just the�beginning.
I've�been�known�to enhance�a�few�careers.
She�was�so�smart. I�would�be�like,
"Yeah,�I�want�to�do�it this�way."�She�goes,
"No,�we're�not doing�it�that�way.
We're�doing�it�this�way." I'm�like,�"Alright."
-Woman! -[Cheering]
And�so�if�something happens�outside�of�the
wrestling�world, they're�gonna�go�with�it,
and�the�fans�are�gonna know�about�it�anyway
because�they�were�all, what�we�called
'the�smart�fans' or�'the�smarks.'
I�walk�into�the�building and�Paul�Heyman�goes�to�me,
"I've�been�talking�to Macaulay�Culkin.
This�is�what�we're�gonna�do.
We're�gonna�bring�him�in as�your�kid."�And�I'm�like,
"Dude,�I�have�a Macaulay�Culkin�sitting
right�out�in�my�van." He�goes,�"Great!
We'll�use�Tyler."
That's�just�one of�Paul's�lies.
Had�no�connection�to Macaulay�Culkin�at�all.
Yeah.
Of�course�they�do.
He�could�sell�you�snowballs in�winter,�trust�me.
Yeah,�I�was�about six�years�old.
My�mom, dad�came�up�to�me.
"How�would�you�like�to�be, like,�part�of�the�show,�or..."?
I'm�like, "Uh,�I�guess"?
You�know, what�am�I�gonna�do?
I�just�remember�he�takes my�wife,�and�then�he,
and�then�he�takes�my�kid,�and then�we're�off�to�the�races.
The�Sandman'swife�Lauri�has�long been�an�ECW�fixture
as�part�of�her�husband's storylines.
And�now�takes�center�stage�in his�latest�feud�with�Raven
You�took�my�child.
Tonight,�I'm�gonna�take�you, Raven,�to�the�extreme.
However,�the�idea�of�bringing his�son�Tyler�into�the�mix
was�something�the wrestling�world
hasn't�seen�and wouldn't�expect.
Oh�dear�Lord...
I�don't�even�know how�it�all�began.
Inside�this�woman's�body, began�the�constant
evolution�of�the Sandman's�successor.
Sandman�and�my�feud, I�would�say,
is�one�of�the�greatest feuds�in�the�history�of�the
business,�but�I'm�partial 'cause�I�was�in�the�feud.
But�I�really�think�that.
Everybody�knows�somebody who�has�a�marriage�that
got�ended�in�divorce�where the�child�is�used�as
a�prop�to�gain concessions.
All�the�abuse,�the�suffering, the�emotional�alienation�that
I�took�as�a�child�is now�being�inflicted
upon�your�son, Sandman.
And�it's�the�most lowdown,�dirty,
and�cruel�thing you�can�do.
So�I'm�like,�"Oh, this�is�great."
The�main�crux�of�it�was�that Raven�and�Sandman�had�been
feuding�and�they�wanted to�take�it�the�next�level.
So�Raven,�quote�unquote, stole�Sandman's�wife.
I've�already�pimped her�out�to
the�whole�locker room�before.
But�then�he�stole Sandman's�son�Tyler,
which�was�really controversial�because
we�had�a�kid�who's�like five�years�old�in�the�ring.
Next�thing�you�know, here�we�are.
He's�got�a�little flannel�shirt�on�and...
and�they�just�coached�him in�the�back�a�little�bit
just�what�to�say. And,�you�know...
Don't�you�dare�fucking smile�out�there.
Nothing.
I�don't�want�any�reaction from�you�on�anything.
This�is�where�your�face�is.
What�do�you�think about�that,�kid?
That's�your�face�and that's�the�way�you�stay.
Look�at�him,�there's�the face�right�there.
There's�the�face,�that, that's�the�face
that�I�always�told�him to�have�on.
The�money�shot.
I�can�close�my�eyes�and�see him�dressed�like�Raven.
It�was�crazy.
I�was�young�and�naive.
You�know,�me�and�my�mom are�coming�down�the�aisle.
Raven's�a�bloody�mess, got�barbed�wire
in�his�hair�or something�like�that.
We�just�get�in�the�front, Raven�says,
"Tyler,�tell�him."
-Tyler,�tell�him! -Daddy,�you're�drunk!
Now�I�worship�Raven.
I�hit�the�line�and�you could�hear,�like,
a�somberness,�like almost�over�the�crowd.
Like,�"Ooh."�Like, like�that�hurt.
It�wasn't�like�a�cheer. It�wasn't�like�a�boo.
Like�it�was�like...
oh,�shit. Like,�damn.
"I�worship�Raven."�And�the whole�place�was�like...
[Gasping]
Quiet.
And�you�don't�hear that�in�the�arena.
These�people�ate�it�up.
They�were�just�like, "Holy�shit,
you�just�hurt The�Sandman."
Like,�Raven�became�the, the�heel's�heel.
You�know,�now�you�came�in and�you�stole�his�family.
That�shit�put asses�in�seats.
[Crying]
Don't�do�this�to�me!
Tyler�is�an�amazing�actor.
Hey,�you�little�bastard, why�don't�you�shut�up?
The�Sandman's�not even�your�real�dad.
[Gasping]
He�never�missed�a�cue. He�never�missed�a�spot.
-This�sucks. -Shut�up,�kid.
We'd�be�gone�doing promos�after�the�show,
and�I'd�be�drunk,�and I'd�screw�up�a�promo,
or�I'd�forget�to give�him�the�line,
and�he�would�still�hit the�line�anyway
exactly�in�the�right�spot.
I�mean, he�was�amazing.
Hey,�kid.
You�know�the�divorce�was your�daddy's�fault,�don't�ya?
I�know.
I�think�I�know�now, more,
like�looking�back on�it,�like...
man,�yeah, those�guys�were
pretty�fucking�crazy, you�know?�Like...
but�at�the�time, I�was�just�being�a�kid.
I�don't�even�know�if�I�was prepared�for�it,�and�I'm�like,
"Oh,�my�God,�this�is�really happening."�And�I'm�thinking,
"This�is�gonna�turn�my�life upside�down."�You�know?
'Cause�everything had�to�be�separate.
Travel�separate, show�up�separate,
leave�separate. It�was�crazy.
We'd�be�leaving�the arena,�separate�cars,
and�you�have�a meeting�spot.
You�pulled�up�to�the�gas station�and�kinda�look�like,
anybody�with�an ECW�shirt�on?
Like,�alright,�get�out, switch�cars,
like�get�back�in�the�car, you�know,�stuff�like�that.
You�know,�the�marks, they're�always�out,
always�looking�for�ya.
They�know�exactly�who you�are,�where�you�go.
And�it's�hard�trying�to�keep that�whole�storyline
separate�for�as long�as�we�did.
Me,�my�dad, my�mom,�Tyler...
we�did�this�all�together.
They�might've�been in�the�spotlight,
but�we�did�this all�together.
We're�traveling�to�shows constantly�every�week.
You�know, that�was�life.
Shit,�there�were�times�we'd be�driving�around�New�York
and�they�would�find�this, like,�playground.
It's�like�two�o'clock in�the�morning.
We�were�in�like, bum�fuck�New�York,
and�it�was�pouring�rain, and�Raven�saying,
"This�is�like�the best�weather�to�like,
we�gotta�shoot this�promo."
I�am�their�salvation.
And�at�the�very�end�they cut�to�me,�and�I�just�said-
Quote�the�Raven, nevermore.
"Quote�the�Raven, nevermore."
[Laughing]
I�had�one�line,�cut�it,
and�I�guess�I�got�to go�back�to�sleep.
[Laughing]�You�see, I�control�the�children.
I�just�think�they�got�away with�doing�so�much
that�other companies�didn't.
And�they�just�really pushed�the�line.
They�pushed�every limit�that�they�could.
This�is�just�heartbreaking.
I�couldn't�do�it�mentally anymore�and�I�didn't
want�my�kids�to�be�a part�of�it�anymore.
It�was�too�much.
The�Sandman�and�Raven's storyline�proves�to�be
a�massive�success�for�the company.
But�their�attempt�to�take�it�to the�next�level
could�end�up�bringing�ECW�down.
The�best�way�to�describe Raven�is�he's�a�martyr�for
society's�dysfunction, and�he�wants�everyone
to�feel�his�pain.
So�I�came�up�with�the idea�of�putting�Sandman�up
on�a�cross�so�he�could�feel my�pain.�So�I'm�like,
"I�can't�build�a�cross." He�goes,
"I'll�build�it,�idiot�face."
Dude,�people�don't realize�that,
that�I�used�to build�shit,�dude.
That's�what�I�was. I�was,�fuckin'...
I�was�a�roofer, I�was�a�concrete�dude,
I�was�a�carpenter.
So... [chuckles]
he�built�his�own�cross�and we�had�a�thorny�crown,
we�had�a�barbed�wire�crown to�be�the�thorny�crown.
Oh�yeah,�we�made�sure�we�got all�the�little�touches�on�it.
So�we�throw�Sandman out�to�the�floor,�me,
Stevie�and�the Meanie�and�Nova,
and�we�start�tying him�to�the�cross.
We�start�hoisting�it�up...
and�all�of�a�sudden�the place�goes,�"Oh,�shit."
Putting�my�dad on�a�cross.
That's�the,�it's�a�holy figure-�[laughing]
with�barbed�wire�wrapped around�his�head�as�if�he�is,
you�know,�this�embodiment of�Jesus�Christ.
I�wasn't�raised�very religious,�clearly,
but�somebody's seeing�that.�I,�I�mean,
I�was�like,�"What�the�fuck is�gonna�happen�now"?
As�the�Sandman�and�Raven�steal the�ECW�spotlight,
both�are�looking�to�shock�the audience
But�neither�man�is�prepared for�the�backstage�fallout.
I'm�on�the�cross and�Stevie's�like,
"This�is�fucked�up."�I'm�like, "Shut�the�fuck�up,
this�is�great,�Stevie."�And then�we�get�to�the�fucking,
fucking�back, I'm�like,�"Damn,
that�was�fucking great,�guys"!
And�Paul�E.'s�like,�"There's so�much�heat�on�this."
I'm�like,�"Why?"
And�then�everything�was�great except�fucking�Kurt�Angle
happened�to�be�in�the�fucking building�that�night.
You�know,�he's�this�Olympian, it's�his�first�time�being
around�pro�wrestling and�shit�like�that.
Paul�wants�to�get�this Olympic�fucking�champion�to
come�work�for�fucking�ECW, you�know�what�I�mean?
So�Paul's�kissing�his�ass.
So,�they�get�fucking�Raven to�go�out�and�apol-
I�said, "That's�fucking�bullshit.
I�disagree. Fuck�all�you�dudes."
And�I�just�walked�away.
And�so,�for�the�people who�I�deeply�offended,
I�apologize.
Despite�the�controversy surrounding
the�crucifixtion�angle.
the�scandal�doesn't�slow�The Sandman's�momentum.
Dude, are�you�kidding�me?
Me�and�my�man�Scorp, we�have�the�Tag�Team�titles.
I�have�the�Heavyweight�title and�he's�got�the�TV�title.
When�you�and�your�boy�got�all the�titles�in�the�company,
then�you�know�you're doing�something�right.
Despite�the�accolades�and championships
life�on�the�road�and ECW's�hard�hitting�style
are�taking�a�toll�on�The Sandman's�body.
Oh�my�God!
What,�are�you�kidding�me? I've�broken�like�27�bones.
Yeah.�Broken�my�neck, this�clavicle�three�times,
I�need�a�new�hip,�I�need two�shoulder�surgeries.
Dude,�Superplex off�the�top�rope�is
a�30�mile�an hour�car�crash.
Imagine�doing�ten�of�them every�day�of�your�life.
Forget�it.�I�got operated�on,
this�leg�is�operated�on, that�morning.
They�shaved�my�meniscus and�flew�back�to�Philly.
I�came�into�the�ring�where, I�had�crutches.
You�know�what I'm�saying?
You�love�what�you're doing�so�much
that�you�just�don't�care.
I�actually�was home�one�night,
and�I�got�a�call�from�Tod, and�he�said,
"Hak's�got�a�concussion�and he�can't�remember."
And�I�was�like,�"Oh, that's�a�good�one.
You�guys�just�go�have�fun and�stop�trying�to�goat�me."
And�he's�like, "I'm�not�kidding.
He�got�hit�in�the�head�and�he doesn't�remember�anything."
He's�like,�"I'm�dead�serious." So�I�had�gone�down,
and�sure�enough, here�he�was.
"Who�won�the�match? What�did�it�look�like?"
I�said,�"I�don't�know. I�wasn't�there."
"Who�won�the�match?" It�was�relentless.
And�then�that�was�early�on,
and�there�is�countless times�after�that.
I�was�like,�"You�can't keep�doing�this.
You're�not�gonna�be�able�to do�things�with�the�kids."
You�know...
they�just�wanna�keep�on going,�that's�all�they�know.
You�get�hurt, you�get�hurt.
So�be�it. Suck�it�the�fuck�up.
He�would�never�take�a�pill.
And�then�it�just�got to�a�point�where
you�get�in�this�pain�and...
well,�okay,�couple.
Leads�to�a�couple�more,�and your�body�gets�used�to�it,
and�a�couple�more... and�then�you're�drinking.
And�then�you�gotta�go�to bed�so�you're�taking�Xanax,
and�then�you�gotta�be�up so�you're�doing�cocaine.
It's�a�vicious�cycle.
And�once�you�get�on�it, it's�very�hard�to�get�off.
You�know,�I,�I�knew what�was�going�on.
I�knew�what�he�kept in�his�fanny�pack.
What�am�I�gonna�say? I'm�a�kid.
I�don't�know. I'm�12,�13�years�old.
Like,�I�don't�know�what a�Xanax�is,�or,�you�know,
a�perk�or...�whatever.
At�the�time,�like, pain�medicine.
That's�all�I�know, and�if,�you�know,
I�gotta�trust�him.�"Yes, to�help�my�back,
help�my�neck,�help." You�know?
Alright.�You�gotta do�what�you�gotta�do.
You�work�300�nights�a�year getting�body�slammed�and
you�tell�me�what you�would�do.
You�know,�as�time went�on,�of�course,
they�have�the�barbed�wire, the�chairs,
the�light�bulbs, the�tacks.
So,�a�couple�Perks, some�Somas...
and�it�just�progressed.
I�used�to�joke�back�then, if�you�pass�a�piss�test,
you�can't�work�for�us.
We�all�got�high,�we�all partied,�it's�what�we�did.
I�remember�my�first bag�of�pills�I�found.
I�knew�exactly what�it�was.
I�remember�my�first�bag of�coke�that�I�found.
First�line�of�coke�I�found.
The�older�and�older�I�got, he�was�taking�drugs,
you�know,�just�going down�the�wrong�path.
We�used�to�go,�on�one month�every�Friday,
we'd�have�three�doctors that�we�would
go�see�in�Philadelphia.
All�three�doctors�would�give us�90�OxyContin�eighties.
So,�you're�getting�270 OxyContin�eighties,
you're�getting 300�Percocets,
you're�getting�300�Somas.
And�everybody�would come�out,�we�would�call�it,
oh,�we�would get�our�booty.
There�was�a�lot of�drugs�that
went�around�the dressing�room.
I�remember�one�time�I had�a�friend�that�had
brought�me�some mushrooms,�and�I�was
looking�forward�to�trying them�after�my�match.
I�came�for�them�later and�my�bag�was�empty,
and�I�was�like,�"Man, who�ate�my�mushrooms"?
And�Sandman�was�like, "Oh,�were�those�yours"?
[Laughing]�He�ate the�whole�bag.
He�should�be�dead. Sandman�should�be�dead.
Raven,�Sandman�and�I was�driving�in�a�car
we�were�going�200�miles.
Raven�had�got�hurt like�the�week�before.
He�had�a�ruptured disc�taken�out,
so�they�gave�him�this highly�addictive�narcotic.
So�we�have�to�stop�at�a�gas station�so�I�can�go�to
the�bathroom�and�so I�can�shoot�up,
'cause�I�gotta get�my�dose�in.
I�had�never�shot anything�before,
but�I've�seen�TV�shows and�shit�like�that.
I'm�like,�"Dude, what�are�you�doing"?
He's�like,�"I'm�shooting an�80."�He�goes,
"It's�really�good." I'm�like,
"Well,�damn, I�want�to�try.�I'm�in"!
You�know, 'cause�I'm�a�druggie.
So,�I�go�to�shoot�a whole�80,�he�goes,
"Dude,�do�not shoot�a�whole�80.
You�do�not�want." I'm�like,�"I�snort�five�of
these�things�a�day, I�can�shoot�an�80."
So�he�shoots�up�the same�amount�too,
and�we�get�back�in�the SUV�and�we�start�driving.
Sandman�starts�going like-�[Snorting]
He�can't�breathe�right.
I�said,�"Raven,�Sandman�is having�trouble�breathing."
He�said,�"Oh, he'll�be�alright."
About�5�minutes later�I�said,
"Hey,�daddy,�his�lips are�turning�blue."
And�we're�like,�"What"?
He's�like,�"His�lips�are turning�blue."
We're�like,�"Holy�shit, he's�OD'ing."
Now�we�got�a�problem. He's�dying.
The�Sandman's�reckless�nature and�persistent�drug�use
have�landed�him�on�the�brink�of death.
Thank�God�they�stopped, they�called�the�ambulance,
the�ambulance�came,�the adrenaline�shot,�needle.
?
They�take�me�to the�hospital.
I�wake�up�at�like four�in�the�morning.
I�ripped�the�shit out�of�my�arms,
grabbed�my�shit�out of�the�hospital,
fucking�went�into�the�hotel, fell�asleep,�got�up,
and�went�to�the�show�the next�day�and�shot
an�OxyContin�80 and�loved�it.
I�liked�it�so�much I'm�like,�"Dude,
I�can't�do�this�again. I'll�end�up�fucking�really,
actually�being�dead." Never�did�it�again.
I�found�bills�in�my�mail that�show�that�he�was
resuscitated�from shooting�up�and�flatlining,
and�he�never�told�me.
I�wasn't�telling�her.
Oh�yeah,�hon,�I�OD'd�fucking on�the�road�last�week.
Almost�died.
Yeah,�I'm�not�coming home�with�that�story
fucking�Sunday afternoon.
As�The�Sandman�struggles�with his�personal�issues
ECW�experiences�a�decline�as their�top�stars
leave�for�bigger,�more mainstream�promotions.
Towards�the�end�of�ECW,
WCW�and�WWF�was picking�our�talent.
They�would�leave�us and�go�to�WWF�so,
Sandman�got�one�of�those offers�to�go�to�WCW�and
make�five�times�the�money he�was�making�in�ECW,
so�why�wouldn't�he?
And�all�the�guys up�there�were�huge.
Big�monster�guys.
And�Sandman�was a�big,�tall�kid,
but�not�big�muscle�bound.
But�he�wanted�to�get�big.
But�he,�remember, he�didn't�work�out,
he�didn't�go�to the�gym�at�all.
So,�he�ordered�all kind�of�steroids.
We�called�it�the�gas.
So�that's�the�six�months that�I�was�doing�the�juice,
the�steroids�and the�growth�hormone.
And�the�only�reason�why I�did�it�was�because
I�was�going�to�WCW,
and�that�was�the�land of�the�freaking�giants.
What�was�funny�about�when Sandman�went�to�WCW�was
he�got�jacked,�like�for the�first�time�ever.
[Cheering]
Course�we�had�access�to�the best�gas�on�the�planet
from�Germany�or�whatever,
the�latest�shit�that makes�you�big.
So�he�was�on�it,�and�it affects�your�thought,
it�makes�you mean�sometimes.
It�has�a,�an�effect on�your�personality.
It�turned�my�dad�into
an�abusive, harmful�individual.
And�my�mom�turned�into this�almost�subservient,
meek�woman�for a�little�while.
Breaking�point�for me�was�the�abuse.
Mm-hm,�yeah.
My�hair�pulled.
I�had�a�pillow�put over�my�face.
Not�just�physically�abused, but�mental�abuse.
"You're�stupid,"�you�know, a�bunch�of�that.
And�sometimes�the mental�stuff�was
harder�than�the�physical.
We�were�at�his�house, and�we're�at�the�table
and�he's�being�a dick�to�his�wife,
and�he�poured�a beer�on�her�head.
He�wouldn't�have�done�it unless�he�was�off
and�gassed�up and�drunk.
So,�Sandman�just got�a�shipment,
$10,000�shipment of�steroids�and
Peaches�went�in the�refrigerator,
and�she�fucking�dumped�it all�out�in�the�front�lawn,
and�he�says,�"Do�you realize�you�just
dumped�$10,000 worth�the�shit?"
And�she�said,�"I�don't give�a�fuck,�Sandman.
You're�acting�like�a dick�on�this�shit."
I�don't�care.
You�know,�'cause�it made�him�angry.
Like�he�was�just�angry.
It�hurt.�As�much�as I�loved�him
I�hated�his�guts, you�know?
Because�it�was�difficult.
It�was�extremely difficult�to�see�my�mom
go�through�what�she�had�to go�through�and�like,
you�love�us�so�much�how could�you�treat�somebody
you�love�like�that?
He's�your�parent,�and you�know�it's�not�right,
but�you�don't know�how�to�help.
You�know,�you�don't know�what�to�do.
It�got�harder�and�harder�to, you�know,�trust�him�and,
you�know,�want�to be�around�him.
I�put�fucking Lori�through�hell.
Now�I�understand, like�her�perspective,
you�know�what�I�mean? And�it�was�all�me.
If�I�could�have my�shit�together,
then�maybe�me�and�her would�still�be�together.
Who�knows.
All�I�can�say�is�I stayed�in�too�long,
and�there's�always help�to...
guide�you�to�where you�need�to�be.
My�mom... took�her�a�while,�but...
she�made�a�decision.
And�she�decided�that�this�is not�how�she�wants�to
live�her�life�anymore, she's�got�three�kids.
It�was�all�my�fault, and�I�know�it.
Dude,�she�was like�an�angel.
I�was�like�the�devil reincarnated
for�a�little�while. Maybe�for�a�long�while.
In�2001,�ECW�closes�its�doos and�two�years�later
its�assets�are�sold�to�Vince McMahon's�WWE.
Giving�The�Sandman�one�last�shot in�the�spotlight
as�the�brand�is�re-launched.
What's�that�smell?
Sandman's�character�was kind�of�watered�down,
you�know,�no�cigarette smoking,�no�beer.
Drinking�on�the�job?
What�the�hell�is�this?
Society�had�changed, and�so�he�wasn't
used�as�well�as he�could've�been.
The�zombie!
That's�not�the ECW�that�I�know,
that's�not�the�ECW that�the�fans�know.
A�lot�of�the�original ECW�fans
want�to�forget about�that�time.
Sandman's�time�in the�WWE�is�brief,
and�un-remarkable.
And�though�his�wrestling�career is�largely�over,
his�trouble�with�addiction continue.
I�got�a�phone�call.
"Dad�just�got�arrested, he's�going�to�jail."
Like�I�was�at�work. I'm�like,�"For�what?"
So,�me�and�my�brother packed�our�shit,
drove�up�to�New�York.
How�am�I�going�to find�a�freakin�lawyer?
I�don't�even know�what�he�did.
Like,�I'm�in Yonkers,�New�York.
I'd�watched�him�wrestle for�how�many�years?
He�walked�into�this courtroom�looking�like
he�just�got�put�through�a washing�machine.
He,�like,�physically looked�hurt.
And�I�was�just�like, "What�happened?"
30�Long�Island�iced�teas, that's�what�happened.
[Slurring]�Alright, everybody�here's�thinking,
"You�know�what? This�guy's�drunk."
You're�right!
Got�in�a�fight with�the�owner.
So,�he�threw�a�bottle�at�me, hit�me�in�the�head.
I�chased�him into�the�kitchen,
broke�a�bunch�of shit�in�the�kitchen,
then�the�SWAT�team came�and�took�me�away.
Basically�had�to�go�through the�court�system.
They�finally�set�his�bail.
So�I�remember�calling�this bank�and�I'm�like,�"Listen,
I�need�you�to�authorize�a $10,000�from�ATMs."
And�she's�like,�"Well, there's�only�gonna�be
like�a�$2000 limit�per�each�ATM�and
that's�just the�ATM�itself."
Like�you're�only�allowed to�take�so�much.
So�here�I�am�bouncing�around 'til�I�got�to�ten�grand.
So�I�would�be�on�the�phone with�them�at�an�ATM�'cause,
you�know,�you�see�these kids�getting�money
out�of�an�ATM, they're�gonna�rob�ya.
And�finally�we're�able to�give�them�bail
about�like, three,�four...
something�in the�morning.
I�remember�walking�into this,�like,�huge...
prison�and�like, giving�them�this�money
and�like, out�comes�my�dad.
And�I�was�like,�"Get�the fuck�in�the�fucking�car
we're�fucking�going�home. I�can't�fucking�believe."
And�like,�of�course, of�course.
Like,�this�is�my�life.
No�kid�should have�to�do�that.
It�was�your�life. You�lived�it.
You�just,�you�don't�know�how horrible�it�is�until�later.
Or�how�horrible�you might�have�made�it�for
other�people�that�you, that�you�love.
?
Deep�down,�he�realizes he's�done�a�lot�of�bad,
and�that�maybe�this is�his�redemption?
I�would�like�for�him to�accept�what�was,
accept�what�he�has, and�move�on�from�here.
But�I�think�it's�gonna�be kind�of�cleansing�for
all�of�us, and�hopefully�himself,
to�just...�let�it�go.
I�don't�know.�I'm�an idiot,�I,�dude,�I...
I've�been�so�self -sabotaging�in�my�life.
It's�like,�there's�been�a�lot of�just,�personal�destruction.
And�now�it�hits�me�a�little bit�different�because
I'm�older�and�you�think about�that�stupid�shit�that
you've�done�that�kind�of changes�everything,
you�know�what�I�mean?
So,�there's�a�different perspective�in�my�head�now.
I�want�him�to�realize, no�matter�how�bad
things�were�at�times,
including�family�life, that�where�he�came�from�and
what�he�did�was�a�lot of�hard�work�and,
you�know, accomplishment.
Was�a�perfect�by�any stretch�of�the�imagination?
No.�He's�made�a lot�of�mistakes,
and�he'll�be�the�one to�tell�you.
But,�he's�self-made and�it's�okay�to-
[Chuckling] it's�okay�to�say�that.
He�lived�his�life's�dream.
There�always�has�to�be an�end�for�everyone.
There�always�has�to�be�an end�to�what�you�can�do.
And�you've�done�it.
A�lot�of�people�can't�say that�they've�done�that.
He�can�still�be�The�Sandman, he�still�is�The�Sandman.
There�will�never be�another�Sandman.
I,�I�really�just�wish�that he�would�understand�that
what�happened�happened,
and�he�can move�forward.
Sandman�is�an�icon.
Poster�boy�for�hardcore.
People�loved�The�Sandman.
I�am�the�hardcore�icon.
I�mean,�who�else�is�gonna drink�beer,�smoke�cigarettes,
swing�a�cane,�wear sweatpants�to�the�ring,
t-shirt, and�get�over?
The�first�person�to do�a�lot�of�shit.
You�know,�the�first�person to�bleed�before�he�got�into
the�ring,�the�first�person to�come�out�of�the�crowd.
You�know�what�I�mean? Smoke�a�cigarette.
I�am�the�king�of�extreme!
[Cheering]
Smoking,�drinking,�yeah!
Cool.
No�wonder�why�I'm�fucking fucked�up�in�the�head.
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