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ANNABETH:
Why'd you call us so soon?
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Don't you need to finish
your investigation?
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Oh, we didn't know
what to do with him.
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Wanted some guidance from
the prosecutor's office.
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She was in the car?
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Mother's on her way
to pick her up.
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Guy gets into a fight
with his kid in the car.
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Where is this genius?
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He's in with his attorney.
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A cop on the scene said
his first call was 911,
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second was his wife.
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And third was his lawyer.
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So who is he?
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Greg Paulson.
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English professor,
Central Indiana.
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English professor?
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This guy killed someone
in a fight?
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Road rage.
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Says the other driver
attacked him.
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He fought back.
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Looks like a lover,
not a fighter.
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Alcohol?
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He did a voluntary
Breathalyzer at the scene.
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Not a drop.
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Who's the victim?
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According to his
driver's license,
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Mark Riggs.
Coroner's prelim
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blunt force trauma,
fractured skull,
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broken right forearm.
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Defensive wound.
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That'd be my guess.
Weapon?
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Bloody crowbar
next to the body.
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Who's crowbar?
Probably the victim's.
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There were some loose tools
in his pickup, a hard hat.
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A construction worker,
carpenter.
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Anything else?
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Passenger side window
of Paulson's minivan was smashed.
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Few pieces of glass
in the kid's car seat.
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Lucky she wasn't cut up.
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Witnesses?
It was dark,happened fast.
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In other words...
We're working on it.
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There's nobody
helpful yet. (knocking on door)
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Annabeth...
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so glad you're here.
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My client's ready to talk.
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You're letting
a client talk, Paul?
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That's a novel strategy.
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Well, you know
the adage, Annabeth.
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The truth will set you free.
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Do I look like the kind of guy
who'd start a fight?
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Or finish one?
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I teach Chaucer
for God's sake.
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I just wanted to get home
with my daughter
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and have dinner
with my wife.
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Guy cut me off.
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Did you provoke him in any way,
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flip him off, honk your horn?
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Not until he swerved
in front of me.
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He blocked the road,
wouldn't let me pass.
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I honked.
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I got out to talk to him
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and... he just wentoff on me.
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Why didn't you back up
and drive away?
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I would have.
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But there was a car behind me.
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I got blocked in.
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You left your three-year-old
in the car, Mr. Paulson.
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I just wanted to talk to him.
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I had no idea that he was going
to attack me with a crowbar.
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Where did he get
the crowbar?
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He must've grabbed it
from the back of his truck.
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All right, walk me through
exactly what happened
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when you and Riggs
got into this.
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Is that what his name was?
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Mark Riggs.
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Oh.
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He pushed me.
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He started yelling.
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And you pushed back.
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Just to keep him away from me.
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Why not get back
in your car?
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Mr. Paulson wasn't the
aggressor here, Ms. Chase.
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Under Indiana law,
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he had no duty
to retreat.
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I waed to, believe me.
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Then suddenly he's brandishing
a crowbar,
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slamming it
at Courtney's window.
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He shattered it
into a million pieces.
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I mean, thank God
for safety glass.
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At that point, I had no choice,
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I had to protect her,
fight back.
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How did you get the
crowbar away from him?
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I don't know how.
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I just went berserk.
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Into another zone.
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Managed to wrestle it
away from him.
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And then?
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I told him to back off.
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He just kept coming, so, uh...
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I hit him.
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How many times?
Once.
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Just once?
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Mm-hmm, in the head.
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And then he just collapsed.
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I just wanted to keep him
away from Courtney.
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Ms. Chase...
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Hi.
Sarah Paulson.
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Hi, Mrs. Paulson.
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Are you releasing Greg?
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Not tonight.
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It wasn't his fault.
He said that man attacked him.
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We're looking
into his story.
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Mrs. Paulson, there's some
things we need to clear up.
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Please, just let him
come home with me.
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With us.
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I'll talk to my boss
in the morning
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and we'll decide then how to
handle your husband's case.
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Then you'll let him go?
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We have 72 hours to decide
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whether to charge him
or release him.
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Come on, sweetie.
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You notify Riggs' family?
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Yeah, we're looking for
his next of kin.
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Contact number in his wallet.
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Linda Miller.
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Just two guys driving home, huh?
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Yeah, should've stayed
in the car.
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Yeah, he should've.
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Let me know when you get
the forensics.
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An English professor
with a nice wife
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and a little kid.
I know.
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It's easier when they're scum.
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They were pushing and shoving,
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using the worst language.
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Did you see either man
with a weapon?
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No, just their hands.
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Then what happened?
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I went back inside
to call 911.
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When I came out again,
it was all over.
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As I pulled up, they were
getting out of their cars.
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You know, bring it on.
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Who got out first?
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The guy in the
pickup, I think.
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But both of them were
raring to go,
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yelling, cursing.
"What the hell are you doing?"
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That type of a thing.
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You didn't stick around?
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Didn't seem that serious.
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Just a couple of jerks
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blowing off steam at
the end of a hard day.
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I did call 911.
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I was listening to the news
on the radio
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and I heard a car window
being smashed.
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We've had some break-ins here
recently,
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so I found my glasses
and I went outside.
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How long would you
say it took you to find your glasses?
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Few minutes.They were upstairs.
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I don't need them for the radio.
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And then?When you went outside?
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One man was laying
on the ground,
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another man was standing
over him, holding a crowbar.
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The man on the ground
wasn't moving.
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So where are you
with the appeal?
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Which?
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The vehicular homicide,
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the guy who killed
Annabeth's husband.
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Trent Bishop.
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Bishop.
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I'm working on the reply brief.
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Is it a formality
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or does Bishop really
have a chance?
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Afraid so.
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Breathalyzer hadn't
been recalibrated.
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You're kidding.
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Plenty of precedent
for granting him a new trial.
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Does Annabeth know?
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She asked me to keep her
in the loop.
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I'll show her the draft
when I'm done.
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Hopefully, we can get
this thing thrown out.
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I'd hate for her
to have to relive
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this whole ugly experience
over a technicality.
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The professor
versus the carpenter.
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So, self-defense
or something else?
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Eyewitnessed testimony
is inconclusive.
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No one saw either man
take the crowbar
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from the back of Riggs' truck.
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Paulson claims Riggs attacked
him, smashed in his car window,
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but forensics don't match.
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Riggs' fingerprints
aren't on the crowbar.
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But Paulson's are.
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Yeah, what
you'd expect.
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But he also struck Riggs twice.
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The first blow broke Riggs' arm,
trying to defend himself.
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Paulson didn't need to strike
the second lethal blow to the head;
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he was no longer in danger.
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If he had ever been.
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We'll see how he defends himself
against a murder charge.
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Street fights, road rage,
not great witnesses,
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wouldn't manslaughter be
an easier charge to make?
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Charge high, leave yourself
some room to negotiate.
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We may need it. Our victim,
Riggs, had a record.
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DUI, misdemeanor assault.
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Assault?
Yeah, a couple of years ago.
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Some kind of scuffle
at the county fair.
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He'd pled guilty,
24 hours community service.
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Let me guess, Professor Paulson
has no record?
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Not even an unpaid
parking ticket.
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Sympathetic defendant,
unsympathetic victim.
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Paulson may
be sympathetic,
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but the evidence says
he's lying.
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The second blow,
the fingerprints.
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Professor Paulson
claims self-defense against a guy who's bigger than him,
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has a record of assault
and driving under the influence,
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who cuts him off in traffic,
confronts him on the street.
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The jury might find
that persuasive.
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This case is going to
come down to character.
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Riggs v. Paulson.
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From what I just heard,
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Paulson's got it hands down.
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???? son, how do you plead?
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Not guilty, Your Honor.
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The defendant was acting
in self-defense and to protect his child.
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We ask he be released
on his own recognizance.
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This is a murder charge,
Your Honor,
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not a moving violation.
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We ask the defendant
be remanded.
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Mr. Paulson has no
criminal record,tenure at the university,
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strong ties to the community.
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Bail is set at $200,000.
Cash or bond.
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Thank you,
Your Honor.
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I'll see you downstairs.
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So, why so adamant,
Annabeth?
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Paulson's hardly public
enemy number one.
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Mr. Paulson left a child he was
supposedly trying to protect
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in the car alone while
he confronted Mr. Riggs.
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That's what this is about?
Leaving the kid in the car?
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Forensics indicate
Mr. Paulson was the aggressor.
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He also lied to the police
and this office
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about what happened that night.
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He didn't lie.
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He gave contradictory statements
under stress.
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The lack of prints and the
crowbar doesn't mean anything.
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It will to a jury.
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Your client picked up
that crowbar, Paul.
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He struck Mr. Riggs twice,
not once.
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The second time
after disabling him.
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There's no way
this was self-defense.
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Broken window in the mini-van?
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Paulson broke
the window himself.
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Anyone see him do it?
Didn't think so.
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When you're ready
to be reasonable, call me.
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You'd be open
to a deal?
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Well, if it involves
dropping the charges.
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Have a nice day.
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We need to paint a picture
of these two men for the jury.
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I'll take
the dead guy, Riggs.
260
00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,900
Let's talk to the guy he
assaulted at the county fair.
261
00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:05,900
See if his testimony
will hurt us with the jury.
262
00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:07,600
We ever reached
that emergency contact?
263
00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,200
DRUMMER:
Linda Miller, his ex-wife.
264
00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,000
See if she has anything
nice to say about him.
265
00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,600
His ex? I'm sure she won't have
nice things to say about him.
266
00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,000
Mine does.
267
00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:18,300
I didn't know
you've been married.
268
00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:19,600
Neither does she.
269
00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,000
I'll look into Paulson,
see if I can find out
270
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,400
what kind of family man
he really is.
271
00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,400
The kind who gets into a fight
with his kid in the car.
272
00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,900
We know why
she was with him?
273
00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,000
He just picked her up
from day care in his way home.
274
00:10:29,100 --> 00:10:30,500
All right, I'll check that out.
275
00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:34,000
Mrs. Paulson, it would be nice
if one of you could talk to her.
276
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,200
She and Annabeth already
had a run-in, so I'll go.
277
00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,500
Why would she even
open the door?
278
00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:39,500
She left her daughter's
blanket at the precinct.
279
00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,700
I know,
it's a long shot.
280
00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:45,000
Well, it might work.
At least it's a reason to knock.
281
00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:50,300
WOMAN:
As fathers go,
282
00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:51,500
he was pretty involved.
283
00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:53,700
Picked up Courtney almost
every day after work.
284
00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:56,100
That day, what kind
of mood was he in?
285
00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:58,000
Foul. He was
running late.
286
00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,500
It was getting dark.
287
00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,900
I was anxious
to lock up and go home.
288
00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:04,100
He seemed stressed.
289
00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,100
Courtney was cranky,
she wanted to go home.
290
00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,200
He raised his voice at me
291
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,600
like it was my fault
she was the last here, not his.
292
00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,300
Is he usually bad-tempered?
293
00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:13,200
A lot.
With everyone.
294
00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,000
Huh. Seems so mild mannered.
295
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,200
Used to be.
296
00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,300
He really changed a lot
after his little boy died.
297
00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:22,800
He lost a child?
About a year ago.
298
00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,300
Andrew. Three.
299
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,500
Beautiful boy.
300
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,300
Hit by a car right
in front of their house.
301
00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:33,100
Man, that's tough.
Yeah.
302
00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:34,100
Ever since that happened,
303
00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:37,100
Mr. Paulson's just been
mad at the world.
304
00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:38,500
I would be.
305
00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:40,900
Me, too. No question.
306
00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,100
BLACKWELL:
So tell me exactlywhat happened that day with this guy Riggs.
307
00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:46,200
You're at the fair...
308
00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,700
In line to get ice cream.
309
00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:49,200
My kids are goofing around.
310
00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,300
You know, not misbehaving,
just rambunctious.
311
00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,600
Suddenly, this guy's going off on me.
312
00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,500
Yelling, telling me
to control my kids.
313
00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:59,500
Poking me in the chest with his finger.
314
00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:01,600
The kids start
screaming and crying.
315
00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,300
It was a scene. Spoiled the day.
316
00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:05,700
So you pressed charges.
317
00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:07,100
I thought twice
about it.
318
00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:08,700
I heard he pled
to a misdemeanor,
319
00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:10,900
so tempers stay
in the tea pot, huh?
320
00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,600
You say you
thought twice about it.
321
00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,800
His ex-wife called me,
asked me to cut the guy a break.
322
00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,700
Said he'd been going
through a rough time.
323
00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:19,000
She say why?
324
00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,900
No. I didn't ask.
325
00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:26,100
My husband's lawyer says I
shouldn't talk to you people.
326
00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,200
Mr. Boscoe's right.
327
00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,600
We can't compel you to talk
to us about anything
328
00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,000
your husband might
have told you that night.
329
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,300
It's privileged.
330
00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:36,500
But I thought you might
want to talk about Greg in general.
331
00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,200
Why would I want to do that?
332
00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:40,800
We've been told your husband's
333
00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,900
been mad at the world
since your son died.
334
00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,000
He's been upset. I have, too.
335
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000
We just... deal with it
differently.
336
00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,900
I thought you might want to soften the picture
of him a little.
337
00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,700
Why would you want to?
338
00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:55,400
You're prosecuting him
for murder.
339
00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,000
We're not monsters,Mrs. Paulson.
340
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,900
We want to know what really
happened that night.
341
00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:01,900
Maybe this whole tragedy doesn't
have to end with a trial.
342
00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:09,000
MRS. PAULSON:
Greg has been depressed.
343
00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,600
Distant.
344
00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:13,700
I can understand how people
think he has a temper.
345
00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:16,800
He is angry,but not at the world.
346
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,800
He... blames himself
for what happened.
347
00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,400
Why? What happened?
348
00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:27,800
I wasn't home.
349
00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,800
I had taken Courtney
and gone shopping.
350
00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,500
They were out
in the yard playing.
351
00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:37,500
Andrew ran into the street.
352
00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:41,100
I'm so sorry.
353
00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,200
I can't imagine what
that must feel like.
354
00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:46,600
There are mornings
you don't think
355
00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,500
you can get out of bed
and face the day.
356
00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:54,800
But... we have Courtney,
so we have to.
357
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:57,000
I mean, it's good.
358
00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,400
She gives us both
a reason to go on.
359
00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,900
The day after he died,
I hadn't read the paper,
360
00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:07,600
no one phoned me yet.
361
00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:08,900
So I picked up
the telephone
362
00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:11,100
to ask him to come over
and help the trim the hedges.
363
00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:13,500
You stayed close,
even after your divorce?
364
00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:14,800
Closer, actually.
365
00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,600
We'd spent yearswatching Jenny die.
366
00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,200
That's not an experience
anyone can ever understand.
367
00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,600
Jenny?
Our daughter.Leukemia.
368
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,300
She was five when she got sick
and nine when she died.
369
00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:27,300
After she died, I went
to bed for five months
370
00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,200
an
371
00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,000
Right.
372
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,000
Anyway, ever time
I looked at Mark,
373
00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:51,200
all I could see was Jenny,
374
00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,400
When did you two...?
375
00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,000
After the divorce,
Mark got involved
376
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,200
with a support group
for grieving parents,
377
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,000
pulled himself together.
378
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,300
He called me to see
how I was doing,
379
00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:49,800
and we started talking again.
380
00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,100
We heard he had some trouble--
381
00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,000
DUI, scuffle
at the county fair.
382
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:53,900
All that was the year
383
00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:55,700
after Jenny died,
but he'd changed.
384
00:14:55,700 --> 00:14:57,700
This group
had really helped him.
385
00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,100
That's why I was so surprised
386
00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:00,500
to hear he had been
in this fight.
387
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:01,900
You know where this
support group meets?
388
00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:03,400
Over at St. Stevens.
389
00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,400
Jesse Abrams,
he's the leader.
390
00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:09,000
I was sick when I heard
what happened to Mark.
391
00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:10,800
You knew him
392
00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:14,100
We spoke at length probably
four times a week
393
00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:15,700
for the past year and a half.
394
00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:17,600
I got to know Mark
inside and out.
395
00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,700
His ex says you really
helped turn him around.
396
00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,100
She gives me
too much credit.
397
00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:22,800
Mark turned
himself around.
398
00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,000
Threw himself into this
work, heart and soul.
399
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,800
His way of mourning Jenny.
400
00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:29,100
Threw himself into it?
401
00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:30,600
Her counseled
other parents,
402
00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,800
did outreach work for us
at local hospitals...
403
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,300
He was good
at it?
404
00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:37,000
He'd been through it himself.
405
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,700
He could talk to parent
who'd just been told his or her child had died.
406
00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:42,100
That's not easy.
407
00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:43,200
What would he tell them?
408
00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,000
He'd stay with them,
comfort them,
409
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,400
contact them a few days
or weeks later,
410
00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,100
tell them about the group,
411
00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:51,300
ask them if they'd like
to come to a meeting.
412
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,800
You keep records
of those meetings?
413
00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,500
Regular members
and guests.
414
00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,200
I can fax it to you.
415
00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,000
What about the people
he counseled?
416
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,800
That list I can
give you right now.
417
00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,600
I'll be damned.
418
00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,900
Greg Paulson?
419
00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,100
Riggs counseled him after his son died.
420
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,200
So Paulson lied
about knowing Riggs.
421
00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,700
He's been lying
from the get-go.
422
00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:21,300
They certainly weren't
total strangers.
423
00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:22,500
After they met
at the hospital,
424
00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:24,100
Riggs invited him
to the grief group.
425
00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:25,100
June of last year,
426
00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:27,500
Paulson went to two
meetings at St. Stevens.
427
00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:29,900
I pulled a police report
on the accident.
428
00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:32,700
Paulson and his son were playing hide-and-seek
on the front lawn.
429
00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:34,600
He lost sight of his son
for a few seconds
430
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000
and the kid ran out into the
street and got hit by a car.
431
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,300
Sad story.
432
00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,300
Think they might try
to use it with the jury?
433
00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,300
How is that relevant
to a self-defense claim?
434
00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:43,600
State of mind.
435
00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,700
However, if he did...
436
00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:49,500
They might take pity
on him and forgive him
437
00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:52,400
for the inconsistencies
in his story. Inconsistencies?
438
00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,500
Under those circumstances,
439
00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:55,600
going in front of a jury
could be dodgy.
440
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,100
Maybe we could use the lie
to leverage Paulson
441
00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,500
to take
a manslaughter plea.
442
00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,200
We haven't
even scratched the surface here.
443
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,800
Why would Paulson kill a guy
444
00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,000
who was trying to help him
mourn his son's death?
445
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:05,800
If we could find out
446
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,000
what they were really
fighting about that night,
447
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,200
we'd have a motive to support
the murder charge.
448
00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,200
If we could, we might
or we might not.
449
00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,000
Offer Paulson
voluntary manslaughter and let's put this to bed.
450
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,700
Your client
lied to us, Paul.
451
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,900
He knew Mark Riggs.
452
00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:24,500
You can keep
accusing him of that.
453
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,500
He didn't lie, just
didn't mention it.
454
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,900
How is it relevant?
455
00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:31,000
It's still
a road rage incident,whether they knew each other or not.
456
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,100
I thought we were here to talk about
a plea.
457
00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,300
Voluntary manslaughter,
ten years.
458
00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:37,400
Four suspended for
mitigating circumstances.
459
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,900
Voluntary man, ten years,
two suspended.
460
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,400
Eight years, Greg.
461
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,000
Make parole,
you'll be out in four.
462
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,100
Done.
463
00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:52,500
Tell me what
happened that night.
464
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,400
We knew each other from
the grief group, that's true.
465
00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:57,800
But I hadn't seen
Mark in months.
466
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,600
When he got out of the car,
he looked familiar,
467
00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,900
but I barely remembered him.
468
00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:04,200
It was dark and it wasn't
until afterwards
469
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,000
that I realized that it was him.
470
00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:07,700
What were you and Riggs
fighting about?
471
00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:08,900
Well, it happened
like I said.
472
00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:10,500
He cut me off.
I don't know why.
473
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,700
You're still claiming this
was a traffic altercation?
474
00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:14,700
Maybe he was irate
475
00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:15,800
because I honked my horn at him.
476
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,600
All I know is that he
came at me with a crowbar
477
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,600
and smashed my window.
478
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,000
I had to defend myself
and my daughter.
479
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,200
You told us you hit him once.
480
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,900
The coroner's report
is irrefutable.
481
00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:26,700
I don't remember hitting him
the second time.
482
00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:29,600
I was in a state,
I was fighting for our lives.
483
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,200
You were enraged.
I was scared to death?
484
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,800
Even if that were true,
Mr. Paulson,
485
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,400
your first blow broke his arm.
486
00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,800
You were in no danger when
you struck the lethal blow.
487
00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,400
I didn't know that.
488
00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:42,500
I don't believe you.
You're a liar.
489
00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:43,800
Annabeth,
that's uncalled for.
490
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,400
You've lied to us from the
beginning and you're lying now.
491
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,700
That's my story.
492
00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:49,500
That's the story
that I've told all a long,
493
00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:51,200
and that's the only story
that I'm going to tell.
494
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,000
Really?
Well, then, we have a problem,
495
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,700
because I'm not going
to let you lie to the judge.
496
00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,000
Annabeth, please,
we can make this deal.
497
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,900
Last chance, Mr. Paulson.
498
00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:00,800
I already told you.
If that's a challenge,
499
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,200
I'll take it.
500
00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,100
And you'll be sorry I did.
501
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,600
????
502
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,000
I thought his proffer
was line,
503
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,500
I didn't think Judge Lathrop
would accept it.
504
00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:12,400
He would have accepted it.
505
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,300
I accepted it,
Paulson accept it.Everyone but you.
506
00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:17,900
I don't feel comfortable settling with no idea
of what really happened.
507
00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,600
Your job isn't to know
what really happened.
508
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,500
Your job is to accurately
assess the strength of case.
509
00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,900
Ambiguous evidence,
inconclusive witnesses,
510
00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:27,400
sympathetic defendant,
semi-sympathetic victim.
511
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,300
This wasn't road rage.
512
00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:29,900
They were fighting about
something more important.
513
00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:32,000
You don't know that.
I'm trying to find out.
514
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,500
We got permission from Riggs'
ex-wife to search his apartment.
515
00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:36,300
Ed and Ray can
go over there right now.
516
00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:39,300
You have two days
to show me something,
517
00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:42,700
otherwise we go back to Boscoe
and we make the deal.
518
00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:43,600
Two days.
519
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,800
Okay.
520
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,800
?????They look like they were happy.
521
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,800
Family pictures
always look happy.
522
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,200
Right-- who
hangs the ones where everyone looks miserable?
523
00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:04,600
His daughter dies,his whole life changes.
524
00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:06,500
The death
of a child rocks your world.
525
00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:09,200
Drinking,assault arrest,
losing his wife.
526
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,400
It's like a punishment.
527
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,200
What did he do other than have
a kid who got sick? Nothing.
528
00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:16,600
He made something
out of it in the end.
529
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,500
The support group.
530
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,400
Look at these.
531
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,200
Recognize the names?
532
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,600
Recognize this one.
Paulson.
533
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,100
Must be the people he counseled.
534
00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:35,100
This is all about
the Paulson's son.
535
00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:38,400
Name, birthday,anniversary of death,
536
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,100
favorite food, toys.
537
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,200
Pictures.
538
00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:46,300
Sarah Paulson.
539
00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:48,300
Maybe Riggs counseled her, too.
540
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,900
Maybe.
541
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,500
He must have.
542
00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:54,500
They went to Calvary
Cemetery together,
543
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:55,800
where Andrew Paulson's buried.
544
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,000
Almost every Tuesday for the past year.
545
00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,600
Almost every week.
Regulars.
546
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,600
What was their
routine?
547
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,300
What would they do?
548
00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:05,900
Go to the gravesite
for a while,
549
00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:09,100
sit, hold hands,
maybe walk around, talk.
550
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,500
Sometimes they'd even pack a picnic lunch,
spend the afternoon.
551
00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,900
What was your impression
of their relationship?
552
00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:15,700
Really good.
553
00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:17,700
Better than most
couples grieving a child.
554
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,500
You thought they
were a couple?
555
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,900
The parents?
Yeah. Definitely.
556
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,000
They told you that?
557
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,000
You can tell.
558
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,600
They'd touch,
console each other,
559
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,000
and they always came together.
560
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,100
Together?
A lot of parents come alone.
561
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:31,300
Grieve separately.
562
00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:33,200
It's too painful
for them to be together.
563
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,200
They blame
each other or whatever.
564
00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:38,500
These two were definitely
helping the other one get through this.
565
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,900
Weekly visits to a
cemetery hardly prove
566
00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:45,900
Mark Riggs and Sarah Paulson
were having an affair.
567
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,200
They talked on the phone
several times a day for months.
568
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,900
And according
to Mark Riggs' calendar,
569
00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:51,900
they also met
in restaurants, coffeeshops,
570
00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:53,300
even his apartment
occasionally.
571
00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:54,500
He was counseling her.
572
00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:56,200
Oh, is that what
they're calling it these days?
573
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,700
Greg Paulson
was so distraught over his son's death,
574
00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:00,300
he temporarily checked out
of the marriage,
575
00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:02,200
and Sarah needed someone
to confide in.
576
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,000
Riggs.
577
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,400
They fell in love.
578
00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:06,300
I'm still not making the leap.
579
00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,200
Look at the timeline
of the phone calls.
580
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,900
Riggs meets Paulson
at the hospital
581
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,300
Riggs brings Paulson
to two grief group meetings at St. Stevens.
582
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:16,700
That's where their relationship
ends.
583
00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:18,700
No more meetings,
no more phone calls.
584
00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:20,300
between Riggs'
and Paulson's office.
585
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,300
But for the first time
a few weeks after that,
586
00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,500
Riggs calls up Paulson's home
and talks to someone there for almost an hour.
587
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,300
And you think he talked
to Sarah Paulson, why?
588
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,300
Riggs never calls up
Paulson's home number again,
589
00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:32,800
only Sarah's cell phone,
which he calls all the time.
590
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,900
Until this day,
591
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,400
shortly before the murder,
592
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,700
when the connection between
Sarah and Riggs ends.
593
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:40,200
One of them broke it off.
Or Paulson found out.
594
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:42,000
An affair?
What else could it be?
595
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,200
They obviously were trying to
keep their relationship secret from her husband.
596
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,400
And that's what Riggs and
Paulson fought about that night?
597
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,400
I think so.
598
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,900
I want to talk to Sarah,
ask her about it under oath.
599
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,000
All right. Depose her.
600
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,000
I lied because I didn't
want to cause Greg any more trouble.
601
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:00,300
You were having an affair
602
00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:03,100
with the man your husband
killed, and you knew how that would look.
603
00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:04,400
Could you not call it that,
please?
604
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,700
What would you
call it?
605
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,200
A friendship.
606
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,300
We have phone records, photos
of the two of you together,
607
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:13,100
notes of the times you met
at the cemetery, his apartment.
608
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,700
I know that it looks like
an affair, but it wasn't.
609
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:18,000
Well, whatever it was,
how did it start?
610
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:22,100
Mark called the house,
looking for Greg.
611
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,500
I told him Greg didn't want
to continue going to group.
612
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,200
He said he understood that,
613
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,200
and then he asked
how I was doing.
614
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,500
And that just opened
the floodgates.
615
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:35,100
We talked about Andrew.
616
00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:36,800
Greg and I weren't talking
about Andrew,
617
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,100
or anything else
for that matter.
618
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,800
And Mark Riggs understood?
619
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,800
He had lost
a daughter and a marriage.
620
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,000
He knew exactly
what I was going through.
621
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:48,800
That was the beginning.
622
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,200
Did your husband know about
this relationship with Mark?
623
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,200
He knew we were spending
a lot of time together.
624
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,200
He knew Mark and I were close.
625
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,900
He asked me
to break it off with him.
626
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:02,900
Is that why you stopped seeing
each other?
627
00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:06,700
My relationship with Mark was
so intense.
628
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:12,300
At a certain point,
I felt I was betraying Greg,
629
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,200
so I told Mark I wanted to tryand get my
marriage back.
630
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,600
What did he say?
631
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,700
He said he was in love with me,
632
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600
but for Courtney's sake
and for mine...
633
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,500
he hoped that Greg and I
could work things through.
634
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,800
I really thought he
was okay with it.
635
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,500
Do you believe Mark Riggs
confronted your husband that night?
636
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,500
I think when I rejected him,
637
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:39,300
Mark sought Greg out
and attacked him
638
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:40,800
and put our
daughter in danger,
639
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,000
and I feel
responsible.
640
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,300
If I hadn't spent
so much time with Mark...
641
00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:47,400
Mark never touched
that crowbar, Sarah.
642
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,000
Your husband is lying to you.
643
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:54,800
ANNABETH:
We know what your client
644
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,300
and Mark Riggs were really
fighting about that night:
645
00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:58,300
Sarah Paulson.
646
00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:01,700
Ah, yes, Mark Riggs-- Sarah
Paulson's spurned suitor.
647
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,000
(laughing):
Spurned suitor?
648
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,500
Did you pick up
a few new phrases
649
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:06,400
from one of Professor
Paulson's classes?
650
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,900
Mark Riggs was in love with Sarah, but she
wasn't in love with him. I beg to differ.
651
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:12,300
I talked to the woman;it's obvious
how she felt about him.
652
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:13,500
And she told you what?
653
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,300
They were just friends.
654
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:16,500
Exactly.
655
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,600
Riggs fell in love with
her. It was unrequited.
656
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,400
He attacked my client
in a rage.
657
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400
My client knew nothing of
Riggs' obsession with his wife
658
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,800
until Riggs attacked him
that night.
659
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,400
Oh, please.
660
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400
He knew they were having
some kind of relationship.
661
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,700
He asked Sarah not
to continue it.
662
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,200
That in itself
would convince a jury he knew they were having an affair.
663
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,500
You don't believe they
were having an affair.
664
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,000
It doesn't matter
what I believe.
665
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800
It matters
what Greg Paulson believed,
666
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,400
and if he believed
his wife was having an affair
667
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,100
with Mark Riggs, it explains
y he attacked and killed him that night.
668
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:43,100
What really
matters is what the jury believes.
669
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,400
Mr paulson told the police
670
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,900
he was attacked by a stranger
with a crowbar.
671
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,200
This is a lie.
672
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,900
In fact, he knew the victim
Mark Riggs quite intimately.
673
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,000
Mr. Riggs had counseled him
over the death of his son,
674
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,500
and then Mr. Riggs
counseled Sarah Paulson.
675
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,800
The evidence
will show that Greg Paulson believed
676
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,200
Mark Riggs was having an affair
with his wife.
677
00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:14,700
Mark Riggs did not attack
Greg Paulson with that crowbar.
678
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:16,200
It was the other way around.
679
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,300
What Greg Paulson did
680
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,100
was not self-defense.
681
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:23,300
It was murder.
682
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,500
This case is about one thing:
683
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,600
whether Greg Paulson was legally
justified in defending himself
684
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,400
and his daughter
from Mr. Riggs' attack.
685
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:38,700
Mr. Paulson wasn't jealous of a love affair between
Mark Riggs and Sarah Paulson
686
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,500
because there wasn't one.
687
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,200
Mark Riggs loved Sarah Paulson,
688
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,300
but she did not love him back,
not in that way.
689
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,900
This isn't about
a jealous husband.
690
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:49,800
It was Mark Riggs
who was jealous--
691
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,800
jealous
of the Paulsons' marriage,
692
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,500
resentful that a woman he had
cared about and had helped
693
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,900
and had fallen in love with
was not going to leave her husband for him.
694
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,500
You will hear from
Sarah Paulson,
695
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:06,100
who will tell you about the exact nature of her
relationship with Mark Riggs.
696
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,500
You'll hear
from an expert witness,
697
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:12,600
who will shed light
on Greg Paulson's state of mind
698
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,600
the night Mark Riggs
attacked him.
699
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:18,700
And you'll hear
from the one person
700
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,000
who knows exactly
what happened that night.
701
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:24,000
Greg Paulson will tell you
himself
702
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,500
the fear he felt when Mark
Riggs took that crowbar
703
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,200
and smashed that window,
704
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,900
spraying glass
on his three-year-old daughter.
705
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,800
The question in this case is
not why Greg Paulson responded as he did that night.
706
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,800
It is how we would judge
a father
707
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:40,900
who did not.
708
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,300
BOSCOE:
What did your husband tell you
709
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,100
when he called you
the night of the incident?
710
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,300
He said Mark had
attacked him.
711
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:53,300
Did he say why?
712
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:54,900
He wanted me to
leave my husband.
713
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:56,300
That's what Greg said.
714
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,800
When did you end your friendship
with Mr. Riggs?
715
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,300
A few days before
he attacked Greg.
716
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:02,600
So you broke off
your relationship
717
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,200
with Mr. Riggs,
and a few days later,
718
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,800
he attacked your husband
with a crowbar?
719
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Objection.
720
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:08,700
Sustained.
721
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,300
ANNABETH:
After your son died,
722
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,300
Mark Riggs counseled
your husband.
723
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:18,100
Briefly.
724
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,000
He went to a
few meetings,
725
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800
but, um, he wasn't
interested in Mark's help.
726
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,000
But you were.
727
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Mark helped me a lot.
728
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,500
Did the two of you fall in love?
729
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:31,300
Yes.
730
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,100
Did you have
an affair?
731
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,700
It wasn't an affair.
732
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,500
We became very
close friends.
733
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:38,000
very close friends
734
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,800
which meant you spent
a lot of time together?
735
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:43,200
Um, I don't know.
736
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,300
How many times a week
did you see Mr. Riggs? Three or four.
737
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,600
How often did you speak
to him on the phone? Every day.
738
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:50,700
Every day?
739
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:52,000
Yes.
740
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,200
Did you ever visit your son's
graveside with Mr. Riggs?
741
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,500
Yes.
742
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:00,500
Every week, in fact.
743
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,300
You met him in coffeeshops,
bars, at his apartment,
744
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,100
and all behind your
husband's back.
745
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,400
SARAH:
I needed a friend.
746
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,300
Mark helped me grieve,
but that's all it was.
747
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:12,800
It wasn't an affair.
748
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,700
Do you think it may have been
construed as an affair?
749
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000
That's what you
seem to have done. What about your husband?
750
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Wouldn't it have looked
like an affair to him?
751
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:22,900
No.
752
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,000
Well, then,
why keep it a secret?
753
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600
And when your husband did find out you'd been spending
so much time with Mr. Riggs?
754
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,000
When he found out,
755
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,100
he said
he'd rather I didn't.
756
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,100
He specifically asked you not
to see Mark Riggs anymore?
757
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,700
Yes.
758
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,500
And did you do
as he asked? Yes.
759
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:45,100
And when you ended the relationship with Mark
Riggs, what was his reaction?
760
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,200
He was disappointed.
761
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,200
He said he was
in love with me.
762
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Sarah, did he seem angry?
763
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,000
No.
764
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:54,500
What did he say?
765
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:02,000
He said he hoped
I could save my marriage.
766
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,200
No further questions.
767
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:11,800
BOSCOE:
Dr. Eaton,
768
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,100
what did you hope to
glean from your interview with Professor Paulson?
769
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,300
An understanding
of his cognitive abilities
770
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,900
and of his personal history
as they might relate
771
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,400
to the night of his conflict
with Mr. Riggs.
772
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,600
And what did
you conclude?
773
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,900
That there was
an aspect
774
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,900
of his personal history that
very well may have induced
775
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,000
in him a reasonable fear
for his life
776
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,700
and for the life
of his child.
777
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:33,800
And what aspect of his past
are you referring to?
778
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,200
The death of his son Andrew a little more
than a year ago.
779
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,600
Objection. Relevance?
780
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400
This experience is
absolutely relevant
781
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,700
to Mr. Paulson's claim
of self-defense.
782
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,400
It framed his perception
of the event and what was happening.
783
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,500
Sidebar, Your Honor.
784
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,600
I think chambers instead.
785
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,100
What are you pulling, Mr.
Boscoe?
786
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,300
Marching a dead child
in front of my jury.
787
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:55,600
That's not my
intention, Your Honor.
788
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,900
What is your
intention?
789
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,000
Establish Mr. Paulson's
state of mind.
790
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200
How does the child's death
do that?
791
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Mr. Paulson witnessed
his son's death.
792
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,600
When Mr. Riggs drove
that crowbar into the window,
793
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,900
spraying glass on Mr. Paulson's
three-year-old daughter,
794
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,000
his experience shaped
his perception of that act
795
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,500
as a threat
to his daughter's life.
796
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,900
The details of Andrew Paulson's death
are irrelevant.
797
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,700
Allowing Mr. Boscoe
to garnish his defense with them would be improper,
798
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:18,400
a naked appeal
for jury sympathy.
799
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,000
Brand v. State of Indiana.
800
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,300
A self-defense case
where the court ruled admissible
801
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,700
testimony about prior events
that formed the basis
802
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:25,600
of the defendant's fear.
803
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,800
In Brand, those events were
things the defendant knew about the victim's past,
804
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,100
not events completely
unconnected to the victim.
805
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,900
They were admitted to establish
the defendant's perception.
806
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,400
That's all that matters here.
807
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,700
If Mr. Paulson is
still taking the stand,
808
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,100
Mr. Boscoe, I
agree with you,
809
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,000
but I will not allow
the jury to hear
810
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,600
theoretical testimony
without hearing about those experiences directly.
811
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,600
He still intends to
testify, Your Honor.
812
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,900
Then I will allow the jury
813
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,300
to hear about his
son's death, solely
814
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:58,800
as it relates
to his state of mind at the time of the fight.
815
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:05,600
Lathrop bought that?
816
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,500
Guess he figures
it's better than being reversed on appeal.
817
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:10,800
It's clearly a bid
for jury sympathy.
818
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,400
The question is
how to counter it.
819
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,500
I'm not sure we do.
820
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,800
Maybe we ignore it.
821
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,400
Let the jury see it
for the cynical text that it is,
822
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,800
and hammer Paulson
823
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,300
with the fingerprints,
the witnesses, the affair,
824
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,400
his own admissions
and inconsistencies.
825
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,000
We have to go right at him.
826
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000
I mean, who knows how he's going to twist the story
to convince the jury?
827
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,500
Maureen, he's lied
about everything else.
828
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,100
He's probably going
to lie about that.
829
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,300
I've read the police report.????
830
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,000
I'm going to show it
to Ed and Ray.
831
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Have them go over
to the Paulsons
832
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,900
and walk through the accident,
talk to the witnesses.
833
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,800
I'm not letting Paulson
use his son's death like this.
834
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:49,100
You sure?
835
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:50,300
Never forget it.
836
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,000
That poor little boy.
837
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:53,700
And Mr. Paulson?
838
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,200
I didn't see him.
839
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,100
He wasn't there?
840
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:57,100
Not then.
841
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,900
A few minutes later,
out in the street,
842
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,800
we were all there.
843
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,400
Driver of the car
was crying.
844
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:05,700
Everybody was calling 911.
845
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:07,700
We had to call an ambulance.
846
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,400
All right. Thanks, ma'am.
847
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:13,500
If she was
standing there,
848
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,000
didn't see him
on the front lawn,where was he?
849
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:17,600
Next-door neighbor
also says
850
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,100
she didn't see him
out in the yard.
851
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,200
It's not much, but
it could be something.
852
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,100
Paulson told the patrol
officer on the scene
853
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:27,300
he was on the front lawn.
854
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,300
Saw Andrew running
into the street.
855
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,900
But neither of the witnesses
saw Paulson on the lawn
856
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,700
and they both had a clear
view of the accident.
857
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:34,500
You think he's lying?
858
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,000
Of course he's lying.
Then where was he?
859
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,900
Well, let's assume that Paulson made a mistake
860
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:41,400
the day his son died
and then lied to the police about it.
861
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,500
If he did, it's a good bet he couldn't
tell his wife the truth.
862
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,600
So how do we prove it
unless he told someone the truth?
863
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,700
Maybe he told Riggs at the hospital immediately
after Andrew's death.
864
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:53,600
Would Riggs have told anyone?
865
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,300
His ex-wife, maybe?
866
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,700
Jesse Abrams, the grief
counselor at St. Stevens.
867
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:00,100
But he didn't remember Paulson.
868
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:01,800
He didn't recognize his picture.
869
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,300
He wouldn't have
to remember Paulson,
870
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,100
he just has
to remember the story.
871
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,100
I can't reveal names.
872
00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:11,200
But, uh, tell me what you know,
873
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,100
I'll see what I remember.
Fair enough.
874
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,300
About a year ago, a man's
playing hide-and-seek on his front lawn with his son.
875
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:17,700
Boy runs into the street,
876
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:19,800
father says he watched
him get hit by the car.
877
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,200
Happened out
in Shadyside, right?
878
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,500
Yeah.
I remember Mark
879
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,000
telling me that story.
880
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,100
Do you remember the details?
881
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:28,900
Of the hide-and-seek story? No.
882
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,400
'Cause that wasn't the story.
883
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,000
What do you mean,
"that wasn't the story"?
884
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,600
That was the lie
the father told people.
885
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,600
He told Mark the truth,
that's why Mark talked to me about it.
886
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,900
People lie to each other about a lot things
when a child dies.
887
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,000
You grabbed the crowbar
from Mark Riggs
888
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,000
I struck him.
889
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,700
How many times?
Twice.
890
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,600
I hit him the first
time, he kept coming.
891
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,300
I hit him again,
he went down.
892
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,400
Why did Mark Riggs
attack you that night?
893
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600
He said he was in love
with my wife.
894
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,900
So, he blocked the road
and confronted you.
895
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,500
Yes.
What did you think was happening?
896
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:13,500
I was scared.
897
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:14,500
I knew he was angry.
898
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,600
I thought he
was stalking me.
899
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,700
You felt threatened.
900
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,500
Very. We argued.
901
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,800
He smashed the
window of my car.
902
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,500
My daughter was inches away.
903
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,900
How did you react to that?
She was terrified.
904
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:27,600
I needed to protect her.
905
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,100
I kept having an
image of Andrew...
906
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:34,400
running into the street.
907
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Right before he was...
908
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,000
struck by a car.
909
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,500
And how is Andrew relevant
to what we're discussing today?
910
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,700
He was killed by
a car last year
911
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,600
when he was three years old.
912
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,600
How did that happen?
913
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,800
We were playing
hide-and-seek in the front yard.
914
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,400
His turn to hide.
915
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,800
I closed my eyes not ten seconds.
916
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,600
And then when
I opened them,
917
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,900
he was running into the street.
918
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,500
And a car was coming
right at him.
919
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,700
I saw it hit him.
920
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,200
I watched my son die.
921
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:16,900
Why did you think
of this tragedy
922
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:19,400
when Mark Riggs smashed
the window of your car?
923
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:21,500
Simple.
924
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,600
I thought I was about
to lose another child.
925
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Mr. Paulson,
926
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,200
you saw the car hit your son.
Is that right?
927
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,000
Yes.
Are you familiar with the police report?
928
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,700
I know there is one. I haven't seen it.
929
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,700
"We were playing hide-and-seek.
930
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:48,800
"I had my eyes closed
when I heard
931
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,100
"the screech
of the car's brakes.
932
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,700
I opened my eyes and saw
the car hit Andrew."
933
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:57,000
He wrote it down.
Guess I said it.
934
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Where were you
playing hide-and-seek?
935
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,400
The front lawn.
936
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Is your front lawn visible
from your neighbor's property?
937
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,300
Yes.
Two of your neighbors
938
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,400
witnessed the accident
that killed your son.
939
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,200
They both told the police
940
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000
they didn't see you
on your lawn that day.
941
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,100
I'm not sure I get your point.
942
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,900
Mr. Paulson, where were you
when Andrew was hit?
943
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:20,000
On the front lawn.
No, you weren't.
944
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,900
And Mark Riggs knew it.
He knew your secret.
945
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,800
Isn't that why he confronted you that night?
946
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Objection, Your Honor,
facts not in evidence,
947
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,600
badgering the witness,
I could go on and on.
948
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,800
No need, Mr. Boscoe, sustained.
949
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Mr. Paulson, where were you
950
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,200
when your son was killed?
951
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,100
BOSCOE:
Asked and answered.
952
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:36,700
LATHROP:
Sustained.
953
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,300
You told Mark Riggs,
you were on the phone.
954
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:43,000
I never told Riggs that.
Jesse Abrams will testify that you did.
955
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:46,300
We went back and pulled your
phone records from that day.
956
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:48,300
You were on the phone
at the exact moment
957
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,600
your son was hit by that car.
958
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:55,800
I...
959
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,200
...I thought it might be Sarah,
960
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,200
so I ran inside to grab the phone.
961
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,300
I-I wasn't gone a minute.
962
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,800
Is that when you heard
the screech of the brakes?
963
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,200
From inside your house?
964
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:13,500
Yes.
965
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,700
You couldn't tell
your wife the truth, could you?
966
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:20,100
But Mark Riggs was going to.
967
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,700
Voluntary manslaughter,
ten years.
968
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,500
Mitigation?
That deal disappeared.
969
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:39,100
Paul, he does all ten.
970
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Do you have kids?
971
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,900
One, daughter.
972
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,200
We have three.
973
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,500
You ever get distracted,
maybe lose sight of her for a few seconds?
974
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:51,900
Of course.
975
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,100
What happened to him could
happen to any of us.
976
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,900
Yeah.
977
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,100
But how he reacted to it...
978
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,700
that was a choice.
979
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:03,400
Yeah.
980
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,800
Riggs asked me to tell
981
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,600
Sarah the truth about
Andrew's death.
982
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,400
He said he loved Sarah,
983
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,800
and she deserved to know,
984
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,500
so she could go
forward with her life,
985
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,200
knowing the truth.
986
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,000
That's why he
confronted me that night.
987
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,800
To give me an ultimatum.
988
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,200
Either I tell
Sarah the truth
989
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,400
or he would.
990
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:40,600
I knew I couldn't.
991
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:45,700
I was afraid that she would
never forgive me.
992
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,100
I was afraid that
she would leave me for him.
993
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,000
I grabbed the crowbar
from his truck and hit him.
994
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,100
I took Courtney out of the car
995
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,100
and broke the window
996
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:03,100
to make it look like
he had attacked us.
997
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:12,600
I'm so sorry.
998
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,700
My reply to the
Bishop brief.
999
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:33,800
You still want
to read it?
1000
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,000
That was our deal, right?
1001
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,600
Every painful detail.
1002
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
The gist of his
appeal: he's claiming
1003
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,400
the Breathalyzer
hadn't be calibrated
1004
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,600
in over six months,
which violates the statute.
1005
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,300
Do we know if that's true?
1006
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:52,400
Police department's having a hard time tracking down
1007
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,200
the certificate to
prove otherwise.
1008
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,600
If they can't find it,
is Bishop's conviction automatically overturned?
1009
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,300
Not automatic,but... likely.
1010
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,800
Ed's still chasing
the certificate.
1011
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:05,800
You mind if I read
this like a lawyer?
1012
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Just keep in mind
I wrote it like one.
1013
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,300
It may be hard to see
1014
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,400
Jack's death
reduced to legalese.
1015
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:13,600
I'll try.
1016
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,500
How'd the sentencing go?
1017
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,100
Lathrop ignored
our recommendation
1018
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and gave him six years
instead of ten.
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Lathrop doesn't do that.
Sarah Paulson asked him to show mercy,
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convinced him her husband was a good person
before their son died.
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You're unhappy
with the sentencing.
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Mark Riggs was
a good person, too,
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before his child died
and when he was killed.
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Like Jack.
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Like Jack.
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It's hard for judges and juries.
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They see the living
defendant in front of them,
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????
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who's a good man,
basically.
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Wife, family...
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They have a hard time remembering the victim
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who's dead and buried.
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I remember.
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I know.
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