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The victim is Mandy Monroe,
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stabbed to death
in her living room,
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sometime between
2:00 and 4:00 a.m., Sunday.
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She was with her fiance
earlier that night.
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Is he good for this?
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Surgical intern at St. Mike's,
on call midnight to 5:00 a.m.,
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left Mandy's a little
after 11:00,
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scrubbing in at the hospital
a half an hour later.
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Cops arrested the victim's
uncle, Sam Carter.
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A witness saw him staggering
out of the building
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around 3:00 in the a.m.,
looking quite intoxicated.
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Murder weapon?
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It's a kitchen knife--
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on the floor,
next to the body.
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Prints match the suspect.
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And Forensics
got another hit
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in the shower off
a bottle of conditioner.
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He hung around the crime scene to take a shower
Hey, he was covered in blood.
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I would, wouldn't you?
(Annabeth groans)
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So far it's a routine grounder.
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Does he have any kind of alibi?
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Wife claims he was up all night
working at home,
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some kind of computer whiz.
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Software engineer.
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Sounds like
we got the right guy.
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Do we have a motive?
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Her fiance popped
the question
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last night,
she said yes,
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called the uncle's house to
give the family the good news.
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Her engagement has something
to do with her murder?
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Check out what they found
on the uncle's computer.
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You really jumped the gun
on this one, Annabeth.
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Talk about a rush to judgment.
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We have Mr. Carter's
prints at the scene
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and on the
murder weapon.
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I'm sure there's an innocent
explanation for both.
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Is there an explanation
for these?
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Pictures of his niece?
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So what?
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564 of them, to be exact,
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on his computer.
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He even customized his screen
saver with the name Amanda.
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There's nothing incriminating
about any of these.
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He was a devoted
and doting uncle.
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He was obsessed with her.
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Mandy announced her
engagement last night.
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You didn't seem to take
that news too well.
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That's your motive?
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Please.
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Mr. Carter, you can
keep a vow of silence
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for the rest of your life,
for all I care.
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We're going to be charging you
with Mandy's murder.
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No recollection
of what you're talking about.
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None whatsoever.
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So who else was at dinner?
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Sam, me, his brother, Jordan,
Sam's father, Cyrus.
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Had the whole family.
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Well, Sam has an older sister,
Sheryl, but we don't see her.
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And after dinner?
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We all said good night.
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Cyrus and Jordan left, and Sam
went out to his office to work.
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I went to bed.
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You told police he was up all
night working at his computer.
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Yes.
Witness saw him
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coming out of your niece's
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building at 3:00 a.m.
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They must have seen
someone else.
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They saw him all right,
falling down drunk.
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Sam has been sober for years.
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Really?
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When the police arrested him,
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he still had a blood alcohol
level near the legal limit.
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I-I-I don't know
how that could be possible.
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Your husband seemed obsessed
with his niece.
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You make it sound so unhealthy.
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What would you call it?
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Sam and Mandy have
always been close.
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Sam's mother was killed in a
car accident when he was 14.
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Diane, Mandy's mother passed
when Mandy was little-- cancer.
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I think that's why Sam and Mandy
have always had a special bond.
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Listen, I know Sam is an odd
duck, but he is not dangerous.
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His prints are on
the murder weapon,
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one of Mandy's
kitchen knives.
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Well, he was
over there a lot.
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And in the bathroom
on a bottle of conditioner.
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That could have
happened any time.
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When he's anxious,
he washes his hands a lot.
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He must have been real anxious,
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apparently took a shower there.
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He could have.
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He's got a...
cleanliness compulsion.
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Washing calms him down.
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I get it.
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Your husband
and your niece talk,
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they end up fighting over
her engagement, he stabs her,
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and then he takes a shower
to chill out.
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Not to mention
to wash off the blood.
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Look, I know that
he didn't do this.
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You should call Jordan, because
I heard them leave around 11:00,
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just after I went to bed.
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So he wasn't at his desk
all night.
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No.
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She done lied to the police.
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Mm-mm-mm.
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Where'd you and your brother
go so late?
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An AA meeting, one at midnight
over on Willow and Ashby.
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Not that far
from here.
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Yeah,
it's walking distance.
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I guess.
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I just dropped him off
and went home.
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Just dropped him?
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That's right.
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Sam likes to walk.
It clears his head.
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He can walk for hours on end.
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Not this time.
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We have a witness,
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saw him coming out
of this building,
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a couple hours later, drunk.
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I guess the AA meeting
didn't work--
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fell off the wagon anyway.
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I'll ask you the same question
I asked your sister-in-law.
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What was the deal between
your brother and your niece?
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Look, they were just close,
all right?
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Nothing creepy about it.
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Your brother's being arraigned
for her murder this afternoon.
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Me, I'd call that creepy.
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In the murder of Amanda Monroe,
how do you plead, Mr. Carter?
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Not guilty by reason
of insanity, Your Honor.
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Very well.
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I assume the issue
of bail is mute?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Then the next item on the agenda
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is a competency hearing.
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The defense requests Dr. Wolfe,
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Mr. Carter's
personal psychiatrist,
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to do an evaluation
for the competency hearing.
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And for the People,
Miss Scofield?
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Dr. Perrin, Your Honor.
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So ordered.
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ANNABETH:
An insanity plea, good luck with that.
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CONLON:
What other choice do they have?
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We have him red-handed.
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ANNABETH:
You think Porter could beat the odds?
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CONLON:
Not in New York,
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but Indiana has a bifurcated
insanity verdict,
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gives the jury a choice.
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ANNABETH:
Not guilty by reason of insanity
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or guilty, but mentally ill.
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Exactly. It's still
an impossibly high bar to get over.
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All my years on the job,
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I've never seen a successful
insanity defense.
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Dr. Perrin is doing our side
of the competency hearing.
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Competency hearing
is a formality.
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That standard is set so low,
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he could be sticking cornflakes
up his nose,
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as long as the
court believes
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he understands
what's going on around him.
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He should, as long as he stays
on his antidepressants.
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Well, let's make sure
that he does.
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His family says Carter's
a recovering alcoholic.
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He's been on the wagon
for many years.
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He even went to an AA meeting
that night.
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Our witness says he was falling
down drunk at the crime scene.
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Hmm. The defense may try
to use intoxication
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wv
as a mitigating factor.
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I'll ask Ray to retrace
Carter's steps that night.
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Let's depose the family as well,
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I want to make sure the jury
haa clear explanation
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of why Carter did
what he did that night.
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Crazy won't cut it?
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Crazy won't cut it.
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Was your son drinking at dinner the
night Mandy was killed?
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He can't drink,
he's on antidepressants.
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How long has he
been depressed?
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For years.
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Has he been more depressed
than usual recently?
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Happens every year
around the same time.
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You see, Sam lost his mother
when he was a teen,
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so the anniversary of her death
is hard on him, very hard.
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Does he typically drink
on the anniversary?
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I thought he'd been sober
for many years.
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Oh, sure, he has--
14... 15 years.
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Well, if he hadn't had a drink
in years past,
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what was so significant about
this particular anniversary?
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Mandy getting married
and moving away.
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If you ask me, it was more
than he could handle. Mr. Carter,
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don't you think
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your son's attachment
to his niece was... unusual?
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Mandy was very special to Sam.
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You see, they both
lost their mother
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when they were very young.
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When she hit her teens,
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Mandy started looking more and
more like Angela, Sam's mother.
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Mandy reminded Sam
of his mother? Yeah.
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She had a lot of her ways.
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She reminded us all more
and more, the older she got.
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It's like we got her back.
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Despite his problems wh
depression and alcoholism,
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Mr. Carter is fully
competent to stand trial.
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Good.
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I wanted to ask you about
his obsession with his niece.
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Classic case of
transference.
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According to his father,
as she grew older?
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The niece began to seem more
and more like Carter's mother.
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Carter lost his mother
when he was in his teens.
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Even though she died
in an automobile accident,
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he had a feeling
that she had abandoned him.
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So as Mandy
got older,
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and began to resemble his mother
more closely,
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his attachment to her
would naturally deepen.
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Then why would he kill her?
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They said Mandy
was getting engaged.
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The fiance told us that they
planned on moving to Baltimore
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at the beginning of the year.
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So she was leaving him,
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both physically and emotionally
separating herself.
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The relationship he had formed
with someone who reminded him
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of his mother
was being threatened.
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It was about to end.
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And that made him mad enough
to kill her?
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I don't know what other factors
might ve been at play.
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His mother died
around this time of year.
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Anniversary effect.
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It's a period of great
stress and anxiety.
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It could have fully triggered
his fear of abandonment.
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And put him
in a murderous rage.
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Based on the evaluations
of the psychiatrist
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who've examined Mr. Carter,
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the court finds the defendant
competent to stand trial.
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Your Honor,
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may I say something?
Normally,
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the defendant waits until the
court addresses him, Mr. Carter,
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but let's hear it.
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These psychiatrists don't know
what's best for me.
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They don't know anything
about me.
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Your Honor ,we just
found out this morning,
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that my client has stopped
taking his medications
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on a regular basis.
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Why is that, Mr. Carter?
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Why have you stopped taking
your medication?
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It was making me feel lethargic,
Your Honor.
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I understand it is
for depression, Mr. Carter.
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It has the opposite
effect on me.
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It makes me feel... bad.
It makes me feel low.
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Your Honor, the People
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ask the Court
to order Mr. Carter
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to resume taking
his antidepressants.
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Both psychiatrists base their
evaluations of competency
252
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on the assumption
that you continue
253
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taking your medications
as prescribed, Mr. Carter.
254
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Do you understand?
Yes, Your Honor.
255
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If you don't comply voluntarily,
256
00:10:54,834 --> 00:10:56,906
the court will order that you be forcefully medicated
257
00:10:56,907 --> 00:11:00,274
in order to insure that you
are competent to stand trial.
258
00:11:00,341 --> 00:11:01,307
Miss Porter.
259
00:11:01,373 --> 00:11:02,506
The defense has no objection.
260
00:11:02,573 --> 00:11:03,640
The People?
261
00:11:03,707 --> 00:11:05,007
The People concur, Your Honor.
262
00:11:05,074 --> 00:11:07,440
Take your meds, Mr. Carter.
263
00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:10,874
Yes, sir.
264
00:11:10,940 --> 00:11:12,807
The judge declared Carter
competent to stand trial.
265
00:11:12,874 --> 00:11:14,307
No surprise. How's that
working theory comg along?
266
00:11:14,373 --> 00:11:15,573
Carter was drinking heavily
267
00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,274
at a bar a few blocks
from his niece's.
268
00:11:17,341 --> 00:11:19,341
Probably trying to get his
nerve up to confront her.
269
00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,974
We finish deposing
the family?
270
00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,341
Ed finally found
Sheryl Carter, the older sister.
271
00:11:23,406 --> 00:11:24,707
He's interviewing her now.
272
00:11:27,540 --> 00:11:30,673
So, you don't stay in touch
with your family?
273
00:11:30,740 --> 00:11:32,107
Don't exchange
Christmas cards?
274
00:11:32,107 --> 00:11:33,573
Not at all.
275
00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,440
Okay, well, tell me
about your brother anyway.
276
00:11:36,506 --> 00:11:37,940
What's to tell?
277
00:11:39,807 --> 00:11:40,506
He's screwed up.
278
00:11:40,573 --> 00:11:42,840
Compulsive, depressed,
279
00:11:43,057 --> 00:11:44,391
obsesses over stuff.
280
00:11:44,457 --> 00:11:45,857
Won't let go.
281
00:11:45,923 --> 00:11:47,290
You ever known him
to be violent,
282
00:11:47,357 --> 00:11:49,124
dangerous or threatening?
283
00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:51,556
A couple times I came home
from work,
284
00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:54,656
he'd broken into my house.
285
00:11:54,723 --> 00:11:56,556
Once he was in
286
00:11:56,623 --> 00:12:00,057
my bathroom, taking a bath.
287
00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:03,457
Freaked me out.
288
00:12:03,523 --> 00:12:05,124
Well, he is your brother.
289
00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:07,257
Yeah, but still.
290
00:12:07,324 --> 00:12:09,690
Don't you think
it's a little weird?
291
00:12:11,491 --> 00:12:13,757
Yeah, a little.
292
00:12:13,823 --> 00:12:15,124
What did you do?
293
00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:18,157
I called Lizzie to come get him.
294
00:12:18,224 --> 00:12:20,523
I can't deal
with Sam's problems.
295
00:12:20,590 --> 00:12:22,324
I have enough trouble of my own.
296
00:12:22,391 --> 00:12:24,623
Your niece seemed to get along
all right with him.
297
00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:25,623
Mandy?
298
00:12:25,690 --> 00:12:27,623
Mandy was a saint.
299
00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:29,556
It's my fault.
300
00:12:29,623 --> 00:12:30,957
What is?
301
00:12:31,024 --> 00:12:33,623
I should have told her
a long time ago.
302
00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,457
Told her what?
303
00:12:43,757 --> 00:12:47,541
Before I broke off all contact with my family
304
00:12:48,457 --> 00:12:52,623
I slept with the windows locked.
305
00:12:52,690 --> 00:12:54,424
I wouldn't even turn the air
conditioner on
306
00:12:54,491 --> 00:12:55,790
in the summertime.
307
00:12:55,857 --> 00:12:57,623
Why?
I was afraid
308
00:12:57,690 --> 00:13:00,424
I wouldn't be able to hear Sam
if he broke into the house
309
00:13:00,491 --> 00:13:02,090
when I was home.
310
00:13:02,157 --> 00:13:06,324
You know what it's like
to live that way?
311
00:13:06,391 --> 00:13:07,656
Why were you so afraid of him?
312
00:13:10,723 --> 00:13:11,740
My mother.
313
00:13:13,257 --> 00:13:15,757
My mother didn't die
in a car accident.
314
00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:19,923
Sam killed her.
315
00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:26,199
14 years old
316
00:13:26,266 --> 00:13:29,332
you believe that?
317
00:13:29,833 --> 00:13:32,815
Got drunk and blew her
head off with a shotgun.
318
00:13:32,816 --> 00:13:34,032
Why?
319
00:13:34,033 --> 00:13:35,733
What would lead him to do
something like that?
320
00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:36,966
Did they have a fight?
321
00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:38,066
Not that I know.
322
00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:40,033
Sam was one messed-up kid.
323
00:13:40,099 --> 00:13:41,633
11, 12 years old,
324
00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:45,333
he'd ditch school
and go drink with his friends.
325
00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,700
Come home and sleep it off.
326
00:13:46,767 --> 00:13:47,899
What did your parents do?
327
00:13:47,966 --> 00:13:48,733
Tried all kinds
of things
328
00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:50,300
to straighten him out--
329
00:13:50,366 --> 00:13:53,266
therapy, detention,
none of it worked.
330
00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:55,199
Did he act out
when he got drunk?
331
00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:56,999
Was he angry or violent?
332
00:13:57,066 --> 00:13:58,966
No, not back then.
333
00:14:00,533 --> 00:14:02,033
and act foolish,
and forget all the stupid stuff
334
00:14:02,099 --> 00:14:03,533
he did when he was drinking.
335
00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,500
He had blackouts as a teenager?
336
00:14:05,566 --> 00:14:08,133
He and I both had our
share of lost weekends,
337
00:14:08,199 --> 00:14:09,366
before we cleaned up our acts.
338
00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:11,066
The difference is,
339
00:14:11,133 --> 00:14:13,767
I never drank a drop until
the day my mama was killed.
340
00:14:13,832 --> 00:14:15,300
Tell me about that day.
341
00:14:15,366 --> 00:14:16,932
I came home
from school.
342
00:14:16,999 --> 00:14:20,333
I remember, I was really happy
for a change.
343
00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,966
I'd gotten an A
on a history exam.
344
00:14:23,033 --> 00:14:24,466
I came up the street.
345
00:14:25,983 --> 00:14:27,300
Cops were there.
346
00:14:27,366 --> 00:14:30,932
Sam was on the front lawn
covered in my mama's blood.
347
00:14:30,999 --> 00:14:34,199
Daddy told me since
I was the oldest,
348
00:14:34,266 --> 00:14:36,767
I had to take care
of Jordan and Diane.
349
00:14:36,832 --> 00:14:38,799
Mandy's mother?
Yes.
350
00:14:38,866 --> 00:14:41,533
Daddy told me I couldn't ever,
ever tell them
351
00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,633
what Sam had done.
352
00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:43,932
And you were how old?
353
00:14:43,999 --> 00:14:45,866
17.
354
00:14:45,932 --> 00:14:48,733
Diane was 16,
Jordan was the baby.
355
00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:50,366
That must have been impossible.
356
00:14:50,433 --> 00:14:51,832
I dropped out
of school.
357
00:14:51,899 --> 00:14:55,300
All the lying I had to do,
I couldn't concentrate.
358
00:14:55,366 --> 00:14:57,932
Jordan and Diane knew
I was acting weird.
359
00:14:57,999 --> 00:15:00,700
They used to ask me what was
wrong, but I couldn't tell them.
360
00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,633
So Jordan and Diane never knew.
361
00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:03,932
Right.
362
00:15:03,999 --> 00:15:05,233
Then Mandy never knew.
363
00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:07,199
She had no reason no
to trust her Uncle Sam.
364
00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:09,333
Daddy swore he was better.
365
00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,033
I didn't know.
366
00:15:11,099 --> 00:15:13,667
It was just easier for me
to stay away from all of them.
367
00:15:15,133 --> 00:15:17,600
But I should have told her.
368
00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:18,999
I should have.
369
00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:20,033
Why didn't you?
370
00:15:20,099 --> 00:15:23,066
I was worried that
371
00:15:23,133 --> 00:15:24,932
if I made her afraid of Sam,
372
00:15:24,999 --> 00:15:28,233
and she pushed him away,
it'd set him off.
373
00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:30,667
He'd kill somebody again.
374
00:15:32,733 --> 00:15:34,649
So what happened?
375
00:15:34,649 --> 00:15:35,932
The very thing
376
00:15:35,999 --> 00:15:39,799
I worried about all my life
came true after all.
377
00:15:42,666 --> 00:15:44,966
I don't know about you,
I got kids.
378
00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:47,333
A parent's worst nightmare,
a kid dies.
379
00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,532
I personally think it'd be
worse if they did something like this, killed somebody.
380
00:15:50,599 --> 00:15:52,233
How'd it go down?
381
00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:53,733
Neighbor called it in.
382
00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:56,632
We found the son passed out
cold, covered in blood,
383
00:15:56,699 --> 00:15:58,266
shotgun next to him.
384
00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,966
The mom was upstairs in her
bedroom dead, finito.
385
00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:02,066
Why'd he shoot her?
386
00:16:02,133 --> 00:16:03,133
House was torn up.
387
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,766
Looked like a burglary.
388
00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:05,833
We thought maybe
the kid had an accomplice,
389
00:16:05,899 --> 00:16:07,499
they ransacked the place.
390
00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:08,966
You think mom came home,
surprised Carter
391
00:16:09,033 --> 00:16:10,100
and his pal going
through her things?
392
00:16:10,166 --> 00:16:11,166
That was the
working theory.
393
00:16:11,233 --> 00:16:12,200
Carter a kid
on drugs?
394
00:16:12,266 --> 00:16:13,566
Most definitely.
395
00:16:13,632 --> 00:16:14,599
Drugs and booze.
396
00:16:14,666 --> 00:16:15,666
We'd been to the house before.
397
00:16:15,733 --> 00:16:17,133
The kid was trouble.
398
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,499
I had complaints
from the neighbors-- kid drunk,
399
00:16:18,566 --> 00:16:19,833
puking on their lawns.
400
00:16:19,899 --> 00:16:20,933
Why'd you think there
was another kid?
401
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,599
Her jewelry was missing.
402
00:16:22,666 --> 00:16:23,899
Husband filed
an insurance claim.
403
00:16:23,966 --> 00:16:25,200
What was Carter's story?
404
00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:26,233
Said he had a blackout.
405
00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:27,599
Couldn't remember a thing.
406
00:16:27,666 --> 00:16:29,033
Been drinking all afternoon,
407
00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:31,200
couldn't remember
where or with who? You believe him?
408
00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:32,733
He was drinking all right.
409
00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:34,033
He was stink-o.
410
00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:35,599
The blackout?
411
00:16:35,666 --> 00:16:37,066
OL
Just a kid's lame alibi.
412
00:16:37,133 --> 00:16:38,300
He couldn't come up
with anything better
413
00:16:38,367 --> 00:16:39,799
on the spur
of the moment.
414
00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:41,233
He never gave up
his accomplice, though.
415
00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:43,066
There you go.
You got to give him that.
416
00:16:43,133 --> 00:16:44,467
For a falling down drunk,
417
00:16:44,532 --> 00:16:46,400
he was a standup guy.
418
00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:48,632
Where was the rest
of the family?
419
00:16:48,699 --> 00:16:49,933
We called Mr. Carter
at work.
420
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,899
He didn't say a word
the whole ride.
421
00:16:51,966 --> 00:16:53,467
I think he already knew.
422
00:16:53,532 --> 00:16:56,033
He wasn't surprised to see his
14-year-old kid in handcuffs,
423
00:16:56,100 --> 00:16:57,866
covered in blood, charged
with his mother's murder?
424
00:16:57,933 --> 00:16:59,599
It was like
he'd been expecting it.
425
00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:11,033
Sheryl told us your son
killed his mother.
426
00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:14,599
Thank you.
427
00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:17,699
Sam was not in his right mind
when he did that.
428
00:17:17,766 --> 00:17:20,266
Because of his age, he was never
charged with her murder.
429
00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:23,333
They sent him to a psychiatric
facility for a year.
430
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,833
25 years ago, kids weren't
tried as adults.
431
00:17:25,899 --> 00:17:27,300
Sam had no idea
what he had done.
432
00:17:27,367 --> 00:17:27,532
It's a-a terrible thing
to have the kind
433
00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:33,499
of problem that Sam had,
major depression.
434
00:17:33,566 --> 00:17:36,666
I did everything I could
to try and make him better,
435
00:17:36,733 --> 00:17:38,400
like quit a good job,
436
00:17:38,467 --> 00:17:40,933
move the family to Michigan
when he was released.
437
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,333
You even changed
your name.
438
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,000
We picked that up when we
ran the background check.
439
00:17:45,066 --> 00:17:47,333
All so Sam would have
a fresh start.
440
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,766
That's what you call
a fresh start?
441
00:17:50,033 --> 00:17:51,833
25 years of lies?
442
00:17:54,532 --> 00:17:56,532
My sister Sheryl called
out of the blue with
443
00:17:56,599 --> 00:17:58,532
some crazy story
about Sam and Mom.
444
00:17:58,599 --> 00:18:00,499
Sheryl's not exactly
a reliable source,
445
00:18:00,566 --> 00:18:01,966
so I thought I'd come to you.
446
00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:03,300
I'm so sorry, Jordan.
447
00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:04,400
It's true.
448
00:18:07,367 --> 00:18:10,233
This is a copy
of the police report.
449
00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:13,233
My God.
450
00:18:16,532 --> 00:18:18,733
My God.
451
00:18:20,699 --> 00:18:22,133
How could they have
kept this from me?
452
00:18:23,532 --> 00:18:28,166
My father has been lying
to me my entire life.
453
00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:30,899
Now, I had a right
to know about this.
454
00:18:30,966 --> 00:18:32,666
Yeah, you did.
455
00:18:32,733 --> 00:18:35,133
You know, I barely
remember my mother.
456
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,966
I hardly had a picture
of her, even.
457
00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:39,100
Z@
After she died, one day Daddy just
458
00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:41,499
gave all her stuff away.
459
00:18:41,566 --> 00:18:43,400
The girls got her clothes.
460
00:18:43,467 --> 00:18:47,033
The girls got her jewelry.
461
00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:49,799
I didn't get anything
to remember her by.
462
00:18:51,632 --> 00:18:53,699
Not one damn thing.
463
00:18:56,933 --> 00:18:58,566
What's your angle?
464
00:18:58,633 --> 00:19:02,167
One was a shooting, the other
a stabbing, 25 years apart.
465
00:19:02,233 --> 00:19:03,599
It's unlikely we can
get a murder
466
00:19:03,666 --> 00:19:05,100
he committed
as a juvenile into evidence.
467
00:19:05,167 --> 00:19:06,533
We'll use it
out of court,
468
00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:08,181
rattle the family's cage
with it.
469
00:19:08,182 --> 00:19:10,383
They might want to avoid making
the mother's murder public.
470
00:19:10,449 --> 00:19:11,683
You want me to offer
them a deal?
471
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:13,050
Let me take a run at them.
472
00:19:14,017 --> 00:19:16,883
Your client pleads
to manslaughter,
473
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:19,017
12 years, it's a gift.
474
00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:20,216
Some gift.
475
00:19:20,282 --> 00:19:21,850
Well, he hasn't exactly been
476
00:19:21,916 --> 00:19:23,017
candid with you
477
00:19:23,083 --> 00:19:24,017
about his past probls
478
00:19:24,083 --> 00:19:25,650
with alcohol and violence.
479
00:19:25,716 --> 00:19:27,017
What past problems?
480
00:19:27,083 --> 00:19:28,282
He's done this sort
of thing before.
481
00:19:28,349 --> 00:19:29,316
He's done
what before?
482
00:19:29,383 --> 00:19:30,916
What are you talking about?
483
00:19:30,983 --> 00:19:31,650
Tell your attorney
about your mother.
484
00:19:31,716 --> 00:19:33,149
My mother?
485
00:19:33,216 --> 00:19:34,650
When you were a teenager,
Mr. Carter.
486
00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:36,449
My mother died
in a car accident.
487
00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:40,816
How do you think
a jury's going to feel when they find out
488
00:19:40,883 --> 00:19:42,850
that he shot his mother
when he was 14
489
00:19:42,916 --> 00:19:44,215
during an alcoholic blackout.
490
00:19:44,216 --> 00:19:45,716
They won't.
491
00:19:45,783 --> 00:19:49,850
Even if this is true, it has
no bearing on the current case.
492
00:19:49,916 --> 00:19:52,149
Oh, it parallels the murder
of his niece exactly.
493
00:19:52,216 --> 00:19:54,683
He murders a female
family member
494
00:19:54,683 --> 00:19:57,216
under the influence,
and then claims insanity.
495
00:19:57,282 --> 00:19:58,549
You'll never get it
into evidence.
496
00:19:58,616 --> 00:19:59,950
It's bound to come out
in the press.
497
00:20:00,017 --> 00:20:01,149
Are you threatening us?
498
00:20:01,216 --> 00:20:02,883
I'm urging you client
to consider
499
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:04,216
what he's put his family
through.
500
00:20:04,282 --> 00:20:05,883
Take the deal,
Mr. Carter.
501
00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:07,216
Let's put this to rest.
502
00:20:07,282 --> 00:20:09,050
I'm doing what
they want me to do.
503
00:20:09,117 --> 00:20:12,483
Let's see what Judge Crenshaw
has to say.
504
00:20:14,650 --> 00:20:17,383
The people's motion to admit
the prior homicide as evidence
505
00:20:17,449 --> 00:20:19,916
in the current trial is denied.
506
00:20:19,983 --> 00:20:21,650
At this time, Your Honor,
the defense would like
507
00:20:21,716 --> 00:20:23,950
the motion to include
Mr.Carter's prior homicide.
508
00:20:24,017 --> 00:20:24,149
Your Honor, you just
ruled to exclude it.
509
00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:28,017
What is the defense up to?
510
00:20:28,083 --> 00:20:29,650
If you would reconsider,
Your Honor?
511
00:20:29,716 --> 00:20:31,516
What's on your mind, Ms. Porter?
Why the change of heart?
512
00:20:31,583 --> 00:20:34,483
The prosecution wanted to
include the homicide Mr. Carter
513
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:36,816
committed as a juvenile
as a prior bad act.
514
00:20:36,883 --> 00:20:40,149
The defense's position is
that the homicide
515
00:20:40,216 --> 00:20:41,683
demonstrates the length
and severity
516
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:44,050
of Mr. Carter's
illness.
517
00:20:44,117 --> 00:20:46,416
Mr. Carter is now, and has been
since an early age,
518
00:20:46,483 --> 00:20:47,816
subject to psychotic depression.
519
00:20:47,883 --> 00:20:49,883
I grasp the distinction.
520
00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:51,083
The first is prejudicial,
521
00:20:51,149 --> 00:20:53,050
the second forms
the basis of his plea.
522
00:20:53,117 --> 00:20:54,282
The defense would also
like to motion
523
00:20:54,349 --> 00:20:55,483
to include Mr. Carter's
524
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:57,149
medical records
525
00:20:57,216 --> 00:20:58,516
from the Corin Psychiatric
Institute for Juveniles.
526
00:20:58,583 --> 00:21:00,716
Mr. Conlon, anything
you'd like to add?
527
00:21:00,783 --> 00:21:02,883
The people have no objection
to its inclusion, Your Honor.
528
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:04,616
It was our idea
in the first place.
529
00:21:04,683 --> 00:21:07,282
Then I'll allow the prior
homicide and juvenile records.
530
00:21:10,316 --> 00:21:12,117
The defense has
the burden of proof.
531
00:21:12,182 --> 00:21:14,316
Porter's just trying to bolster
532
00:21:14,383 --> 00:21:15,516
the insanity plea
anyway she can.
533
00:21:15,583 --> 00:21:17,149
They want to use his year
534
00:21:17,216 --> 00:21:18,683
in a juvenile psych ward
as evidence of his insanity.
535
00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:20,017
We can just as easily argue
536
00:21:20,083 --> 00:21:22,083
he benefited from being
institutionalized.
537
00:21:22,182 --> 00:21:23,783
I think basically in the end,
538
00:21:23,850 --> 00:21:26,149
it'll come down to how
Sam Carter does on the stand.
539
00:21:26,216 --> 00:21:27,616
You're taking a risk
by putting him on.
540
00:21:27,683 --> 00:21:29,816
It's odd,
the defense going first.
541
00:21:29,883 --> 00:21:31,583
Sort of like opposite day.
542
00:21:34,050 --> 00:21:35,816
You guys never did opposite
day at your house?
543
00:21:35,883 --> 00:21:36,916
Have dinner for breakfast,
544
00:21:36,983 --> 00:21:38,249
and then end the day
545
00:21:38,316 --> 00:21:39,916
with pancakes and maple syrup?
546
00:21:39,983 --> 00:21:41,549
I think my wife did that once
with our daughter.
547
00:21:41,616 --> 00:21:42,549
At my house,
548
00:21:42,616 --> 00:21:43,850
every day was stay-on-track-
549
00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:45,349
no-matter-what,-Maureen Day.
550
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:47,033
Speaking of staying
551
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,999
on track, get with Dr. Perrin
552
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,832
review the interview she did
with Sam Carter
553
00:21:50,833 --> 00:21:52,267
for his competency hearing.
554
00:21:54,500 --> 00:22:00,133
Amanda called that night and
said that she was moving away.
555
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,233
It made me feel so bad inside.
556
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,534
I wanted a drink so badly
557
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,500
so I could stop
thinking about it.
558
00:22:07,567 --> 00:22:09,734
And I kept coming back
to the same thought.
559
00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:15,167
I've got to stop Mandy
from leaving.
560
00:22:15,233 --> 00:22:17,567
So I went over to her place,
just to talk.
561
00:22:17,634 --> 00:22:20,267
There's nothing Mr. Carter
said in this session
562
00:22:20,334 --> 00:22:22,334
that indicates he
experienced disassociation
563
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,500
when he killed his niece.
564
00:22:23,567 --> 00:22:25,167
Did he lose touch
with reality?
565
00:22:25,233 --> 00:22:27,534
Blacking out doesn't involve
nv losing contact with reality.
566
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,966
The person experiences
amnesia, yes,
567
00:22:30,033 --> 00:22:32,367
but he's still in contact
with his surroundings.
568
00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:34,534
So, he's not halucinating
or hearing voices?
569
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,833
No, that's something different.
570
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:37,667
A psychotic break.
571
00:22:37,734 --> 00:22:39,400
The defense is arguing
just that.
572
00:22:39,467 --> 00:22:41,200
Could alcohol have triggered
573
00:22:41,267 --> 00:22:42,233
a psychotic break?
574
00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:43,500
I see no evidence of that.
575
00:22:43,567 --> 00:22:45,000
They're trying to use
576
00:22:45,067 --> 00:22:46,667
his mother's murder
to argue
577
00:22:46,734 --> 00:22:48,933
that he's been psychotic
since he was a teenager.
578
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,833
There are many cases of
teenagers killing their parents.
579
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:53,434
They're angry,
they're impulsive.
580
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:54,567
It doesn't mean
581
00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:55,634
they're psychotic.
582
00:22:55,701 --> 00:22:57,300
What we do know
about Carter
583
00:22:57,367 --> 00:23:00,167
is that alcohol abuse was
involved in his mother's murder.
584
00:23:00,233 --> 00:23:03,600
And alcohol abuse led
to the stabbing of his niece.
585
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,397
When he's had a few drinks sam carter become a loaded weaon
586
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,160
During the last several months
587
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,827
has your husband's behavior
changed in any way?
588
00:23:16,894 --> 00:23:19,761
I knew what to expect from Sam
around that time of year.
589
00:23:20,677 --> 00:23:23,410
It's the anniversary
of his mother's death.
590
00:23:23,477 --> 00:23:24,911
And so I would make sure
591
00:23:24,978 --> 00:23:27,844
that Sam was taking
his anti-depressants.
592
00:23:27,911 --> 00:23:29,644
But this time it was really bad.
593
00:23:29,711 --> 00:23:30,910
In what way?
594
00:23:30,911 --> 00:23:32,644
He hardly
ate anything.
595
00:23:32,711 --> 00:23:35,344
He'd be in his
pajamas all day,
596
00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:37,744
sitting on the couch,
wringing his hands
597
00:23:37,811 --> 00:23:39,511
and listening to
the same CD
598
00:23:39,577 --> 00:23:41,644
over and over until
I thought I'd scream.
599
00:23:41,711 --> 00:23:44,277
Did you know what he had done
to his mother?
600
00:23:46,944 --> 00:23:49,277
bu
No, he never told me what he did.
601
00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,244
The night your niece
was murdered,
602
00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:52,477
she called your house.
603
00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:56,544
To tell us that she was engaged.
604
00:23:56,611 --> 00:23:59,878
That she and her fiance would be leaving town.
605
00:23:59,944 --> 00:24:01,844
How did your husband react?
606
00:24:01,911 --> 00:24:03,711
He was upset.
607
00:24:03,777 --> 00:24:06,244
I was worried that he would
fall off the wagon.
608
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:09,711
What happens when
your husband drinks?
609
00:24:09,777 --> 00:24:12,511
He has blackouts.
610
00:24:12,577 --> 00:24:15,511
Mrs. Carter, of the 15 years
you've been married,
611
00:24:15,577 --> 00:24:17,043
has your husband
been depressed often?
612
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:18,310
Often.
613
00:24:18,377 --> 00:24:19,944
Especially around
the anniversary
614
00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:21,377
of his mother's death.
615
00:24:21,444 --> 00:24:21,611
And during
those depressions,
616
00:24:22,777 --> 00:24:24,043
especially the worst ones
617
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:25,611
around those anniversaries,
618
00:24:25,677 --> 00:24:29,978
has your husband ever been
ejected from a movie theater
619
00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:31,744
or a restaurant because
620
00:24:31,811 --> 00:24:33,077
he couldn't conform his conduct
621
00:24:33,143 --> 00:24:35,110
to socially-acceptable
standards?
622
00:24:35,177 --> 00:24:36,711
No.
Has he ever been arrested?
623
00:24:36,777 --> 00:24:38,511
No.
Traffic tickets?
624
00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:40,811
Moving violations?
DWIs?
625
00:24:40,878 --> 00:24:42,077
No.
626
00:24:42,143 --> 00:24:43,644
Have you ever called the police
to your house?
627
00:24:43,711 --> 00:24:44,711
No.
628
00:24:44,777 --> 00:24:45,944
Ever afraid for your safety?
629
00:24:49,177 --> 00:24:50,377
No.
630
00:24:50,444 --> 00:24:52,043
That's all, thank you.
631
00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:55,444
Mr. Carter is suffering
with major depression
632
00:24:55,511 --> 00:24:56,944
with psychotic features.
633
00:24:57,010 --> 00:24:58,677
What symptoms
are we talking about?
634
00:24:58,744 --> 00:25:00,511
Sadness, thoughts of
635
00:25:00,577 --> 00:25:02,177
extreme guilt, insomnia,
636
00:25:02,244 --> 00:25:03,677
agitated behavior,
637
00:25:03,744 --> 00:25:06,210
pacing, compulsive
and frequent hand washing.
638
00:25:06,277 --> 00:25:07,744
And the psychotic part
of the depression?
639
00:25:07,811 --> 00:25:09,277
A loss of contact
with reality,
640
00:25:09,344 --> 00:25:12,878
manifested by delusions
or hallucinations
641
00:25:12,944 --> 00:25:13,978
that are consistent with
642
00:25:14,043 --> 00:25:15,244
the theme of a
depression.
643
00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:16,577
When you asked Mr. Carter
644
00:25:16,644 --> 00:25:18,143
to describe the night
he killed his niece,
645
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:20,143
how would you characterize
his mental state?
646
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:21,444
He was delusional.
647
00:25:21,511 --> 00:25:23,477
He had lost contact
with reality.
648
00:25:23,544 --> 00:25:27,210
Did his mental state rise to
the condition of legal insanity
649
00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:28,677
as defined by Indiana statute?
650
00:25:28,744 --> 00:25:30,110
In my opinion, yes.
651
00:25:30,177 --> 00:25:32,577
Is the murder
of Mr. Carter's niece
652
00:25:32,644 --> 00:25:34,811
connected to the murder
of his mother?
653
00:25:34,878 --> 00:25:36,677
As I said, Mr. Carter suffers
from psychotic depression.
654
00:25:36,744 --> 00:25:37,944
The night of his niece's murder,
655
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:39,811
his psychotic break
was triggered
656
00:25:39,878 --> 00:25:41,244
by heavy alcohol consumption.
657
00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:42,477
I believe something similar
happened
658
00:25:42,544 --> 00:25:44,077
when he killed his mother.
659
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:45,978
Did he know what he was doing
at the time of that killing?
660
00:25:46,043 --> 00:25:47,644
In my estimation, no.
661
00:25:47,711 --> 00:25:49,110
And when he killed his niece?
662
00:25:49,177 --> 00:25:50,777
I believe he had
no consciousness
663
00:25:50,777 --> 00:25:53,677
of what he was doing at the time
and no memory of its aftermath.
664
00:25:53,744 --> 00:25:55,277
Thank you.
665
00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:56,577
MAUREEN:
{i1}Dr. Wolfe...{i}
666
00:25:56,644 --> 00:25:59,511
what percentage of homicides
in this country
667
00:25:59,577 --> 00:26:02,477
are connected to alcohol abuse
on the part of the offender?
668
00:26:02,544 --> 00:26:06,477
The number's quite high,
between 80 and 85 percent.
669
00:26:06,544 --> 00:26:09,277
So would it be accurate to say,
based on multiple studies,
670
00:26:09,344 --> 00:26:13,177
that violence, homicide and
alcohol consumption are linked?
671
00:26:13,244 --> 00:26:14,978
That is correct.
Isn't it possible,
672
00:26:15,043 --> 00:26:17,944
even likely, that Mr. Carter
wasn't delusional
673
00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:18,944
when he killed his niece?
674
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:20,878
That because he'd been drinking,
675
00:26:20,944 --> 00:26:22,944
he acted on
his violent impulses?
676
00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:25,377
That would be one
interpretation, but not mine.
677
00:26:25,444 --> 00:26:27,978
According to you,
he was delusional? Correct.
678
00:26:28,043 --> 00:26:30,777
We have only Mr. Carter's word
for what he was thinking
679
00:26:30,844 --> 00:26:32,577
when he went over
to his niece's apartment.
680
00:26:32,644 --> 00:26:34,277
He's been totally consistent
681
00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:36,444
with all the mental health
experts he's dealt with.
682
00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,460
He's told the same story
to all of them.
683
00:26:38,527 --> 00:26:40,094
His story's been consistent.
684
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,794
Yes.
As consistent
685
00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:44,193
as the lie he's been telling
for the past 25 years
686
00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:45,427
about the death of his mother?
687
00:26:45,494 --> 00:26:48,293
That she died in a car accident?
688
00:26:51,094 --> 00:26:54,227
Your brother killed
your mother when he was 14.
689
00:26:54,293 --> 00:26:55,827
Yes.
690
00:26:55,894 --> 00:26:58,761
A fact of which you were unaware
until he murdered your niece.
691
00:26:58,827 --> 00:27:00,538
My family kept it
from me, yes.
692
00:27:00,538 --> 00:27:02,405
Every year,
he's severely depressed
693
00:27:02,471 --> 00:27:04,239
on the anniversary
of your mother's death.
694
00:27:04,306 --> 00:27:05,438
Sam always managed
695
00:27:05,505 --> 00:27:07,605
to do okay with
his medication.
696
00:27:07,672 --> 00:27:09,705
Did you witness any unusual
behavior on your brother's part,
697
00:27:09,772 --> 00:27:11,405
prior to his murdering
his niece?
698
00:27:11,471 --> 00:27:13,572
None that I can recall.
Was there alcohol
699
00:27:13,638 --> 00:27:16,505
at the family dinner the night
your niece was murdered?
700
00:27:16,572 --> 00:27:18,338
My father enjoys
a good bottle of wine.
701
00:27:18,405 --> 00:27:19,338
We all do.
702
00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:20,605
Did your brother
703
00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:21,738
Sam drink any?
704
00:27:21,805 --> 00:27:22,839
No ,He knows he can't
705
00:27:22,905 --> 00:27:24,572
mix alcohol with
his medication.
706
00:27:24,638 --> 00:27:26,306
He knows better.
Yes.
707
00:27:26,371 --> 00:27:28,272
But he was upset about
Mandy's engagement.
708
00:27:28,306 --> 00:27:29,638
I talked to him.
709
00:27:29,705 --> 00:27:31,638
I told him he ought
to go to a meeting,
710
00:27:31,705 --> 00:27:33,538
and so I drove him to
one, about midnight.
711
00:27:33,605 --> 00:27:35,105
And did you pick him up after?
712
00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:38,139
No, he said he would catch a
ride home with someone, or walk.
713
00:27:38,206 --> 00:27:40,972
But instead, he went drinking
and then went to see his niece.
714
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,505
Yes.
715
00:27:42,572 --> 00:27:45,338
In the last several months,
716
00:27:45,505 --> 00:27:48,939
did you ever stay over
at your brother's house?
717
00:27:49,005 --> 00:27:50,505
No.
718
00:27:50,571 --> 00:27:53,406
So you were not aware of
his deteriorating mental state?
719
00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:54,172
Objection.
720
00:27:54,239 --> 00:27:55,272
Sustained.
721
00:27:55,339 --> 00:27:56,638
So you were not aware
722
00:27:56,805 --> 00:28:00,571
of how long it took
your brother's wife
723
00:28:00,638 --> 00:28:02,205
to convince him to eat a meal,
724
00:28:02,272 --> 00:28:04,406
or comb his hair,
or sleep for a couple of hours,
725
00:28:04,472 --> 00:28:07,272
instead of staring endlessly
at his computer screen,
726
00:28:07,339 --> 00:28:10,372
and listening to the same
CD over and over?
727
00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:11,638
Objection.
Facts not in evidence.
728
00:28:11,705 --> 00:28:12,905
Sustained.
729
00:28:14,172 --> 00:28:15,272
CONLON:
{i1}Counselor.{i}
730
00:28:15,339 --> 00:28:17,139
Mr. Conlon.
731
00:28:17,205 --> 00:28:18,905
Set yourself a hell
of challenge.
732
00:28:18,972 --> 00:28:20,105
Regretting it?
733
00:28:20,172 --> 00:28:21,972
I could hardly do otherwise.
734
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:23,406
My client's the real deal.
735
00:28:23,472 --> 00:28:25,272
Just depressed
like the rest of us.
736
00:28:25,339 --> 00:28:27,638
According to Dr. Wolfe,
he's delusional.
737
00:28:27,705 --> 00:28:30,105
Well, our expert witness
begged to differ.
738
00:28:30,172 --> 00:28:34,506
I don't think your Dr. Perrin
turned the jury around.
739
00:28:34,571 --> 00:28:35,838
I still have the edge.
740
00:28:35,905 --> 00:28:37,272
Now who's delusional?
741
00:28:37,339 --> 00:28:38,439
And you're putting
him on the stand.
742
00:28:38,506 --> 00:28:40,972
Carter is genuinely
unstable.
743
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,305
I think the jury will
find him very sympathetic.
744
00:28:43,372 --> 00:28:46,039
The jury expects to see someone
talking to themselves
745
00:28:46,105 --> 00:28:47,406
and fighting imaginary dragons.
746
00:28:47,472 --> 00:28:48,872
Anything less,
747
00:28:48,938 --> 00:28:50,406
he knew damn well
what he was doing.
748
00:28:50,472 --> 00:28:52,872
And so do I.
749
00:28:52,938 --> 00:28:55,305
When your niece called to tell
you she was getting married,
750
00:28:55,406 --> 00:28:56,406
how did you react?
751
00:28:56,472 --> 00:28:58,172
It made me angry.
752
00:28:59,589 --> 00:29:01,011
I didn't want to
think about it.
753
00:29:01,012 --> 00:29:02,211
What did you do?
754
00:29:02,278 --> 00:29:03,311
I went to a meeting.
755
00:29:03,378 --> 00:29:05,144
But then I left.
756
00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:06,812
I was restless.
757
00:29:06,878 --> 00:29:08,179
I went to a bar.
758
00:29:08,244 --> 00:29:09,445
You went to a bar.
759
00:29:09,511 --> 00:29:11,445
Did you have a drink?
760
00:29:11,511 --> 00:29:12,545
Three or four shots, yes.
761
00:29:12,611 --> 00:29:14,179
We heard testimony
762
00:29:14,244 --> 00:29:15,311
from the bartender that night
763
00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:16,778
who said you had six or seven.
764
00:29:16,845 --> 00:29:19,145
That you were, in his words,
765
00:29:19,211 --> 00:29:20,578
"sloppy drunk."
766
00:29:20,645 --> 00:29:22,411
It could've happened.
767
00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:25,411
I don't remember.
768
00:29:25,478 --> 00:29:29,511
You'd been sober
for 14 years.
769
00:29:29,578 --> 00:29:31,278
Why did you take a drink
that night?
770
00:29:33,978 --> 00:29:35,645
So I could stop the thoughts.
771
00:29:37,244 --> 00:29:40,045
What kind of thoughts?
772
00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:41,878
About my mother.
773
00:29:41,945 --> 00:29:44,378
Thinking about how she died.
774
00:29:44,445 --> 00:29:46,678
What they said
I did to her.
775
00:29:46,745 --> 00:29:51,645
Sometimes the thoughts keep
coming no matter what I do.
776
00:29:51,712 --> 00:29:54,745
The thoughts keep
coming back to me.
777
00:29:54,812 --> 00:29:58,812
And Mandy made me feel better,
like...
778
00:29:58,878 --> 00:30:00,578
my mother.
779
00:30:03,112 --> 00:30:06,545
And... like a little part of her
was still here.
780
00:30:06,611 --> 00:30:10,244
I didn't want her to go.
I had to go and see her.
781
00:30:10,311 --> 00:30:11,745
So you went to Mandy's place?
782
00:30:11,812 --> 00:30:12,812
Yes.
783
00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:15,012
Was she glad to see you?
784
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,378
She seemed confused.
785
00:30:18,378 --> 00:30:20,145
I think I woke her up.
786
00:30:20,211 --> 00:30:22,045
Then what happened?
787
00:30:22,045 --> 00:30:23,344
I started talking to her,
788
00:30:23,411 --> 00:30:27,012
and I told her
I didn't want her to leave.
789
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:28,645
How did she react?
790
00:30:28,712 --> 00:30:32,179
She started acting like
she was afraid of me,
791
00:30:32,244 --> 00:30:33,611
li I was crazy,
792
00:30:33,678 --> 00:30:35,945
and not making any sense.
793
00:30:36,012 --> 00:30:37,878
She wasn't listening
to me anymore.
794
00:30:37,945 --> 00:30:39,445
And then what happened?
795
00:30:40,678 --> 00:30:42,028
I don't remember.
796
00:30:42,311 --> 00:30:47,179
What is the next thing you do
remember about that night?
797
00:30:47,244 --> 00:30:51,778
I was waking up at my desk,
798
00:30:51,845 --> 00:30:54,145
and the police were arresting me
for Mandy's murder.
799
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,511
Thank you.
800
00:30:58,578 --> 00:31:00,244
Mr. Carter,
801
00:31:00,311 --> 00:31:02,878
when you were at the bar with
these thoughts of your mother
802
00:31:02,945 --> 00:31:05,478
and Mandy racing
through your brain,
803
00:31:05,545 --> 00:31:07,778
why didn't you call your wife
to come pick you up,
804
00:31:07,845 --> 00:31:09,542
instead of having
yet one more drink?
805
00:31:09,542 --> 00:31:10,843
I wish that I had.
806
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:13,477
You have no memory of taking
807
00:31:13,542 --> 00:31:14,943
a kitchen knife and stabbing
808
00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,609
your niece to death that night?
809
00:31:16,676 --> 00:31:18,310
Oh, no, ma'am.
810
00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:19,676
Well, that's convenient,
isn't it?
811
00:31:19,743 --> 00:31:20,976
Objection, Your Honor.
812
00:31:21,043 --> 00:31:22,076
Sustained.
813
00:31:22,143 --> 00:31:23,609
memory of taking a shower
814
00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:27,377
after killing her
to wash off the blood. No, ma'am.
815
00:31:27,443 --> 00:31:29,410
I find that very hard
to believe, Mr. Carter. Your Honor.
816
00:31:29,477 --> 00:31:31,509
Do you have a question
for the witness, Ms. Chase?
817
00:31:31,576 --> 00:31:33,743
You remember going
there that night,
818
00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:35,110
you remember talking
to your niece.
819
00:31:35,176 --> 00:31:36,576
You even remember
what you said. Yes, ma'am.
820
00:31:36,642 --> 00:31:39,143
not remember
the crucial event of that night,
821
00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:40,343
killing your niece.
822
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:42,043
No, ma'am, I don't.
823
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,010
No more questions, Your Honor.
824
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:47,310
{i1}Sam Carter{i}
825
00:31:47,377 --> 00:31:48,976
was a depressed teenager
826
00:31:49,043 --> 00:31:51,642
who had been self-medicating
with alcohol and drugs
827
00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:53,010
when he killed his mother.
828
00:31:53,076 --> 00:31:55,509
Every year on the anniversary
of her death,
829
00:31:55,576 --> 00:31:57,193
he suffers from depression.
830
00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:58,909
This year...
831
00:31:58,976 --> 00:32:01,377
his depression was more severe
than ever before,
832
00:32:01,443 --> 00:32:03,410
and he had a psychotic break.
833
00:32:03,477 --> 00:32:06,043
The same kind of psychotic break
he suffered
834
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:08,576
just before he killed
his mother.
835
00:32:08,642 --> 00:32:15,043
He was legally insane at
the time he killed his niece.
836
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:16,976
The people acknowledge
837
00:32:17,043 --> 00:32:20,076
that the defendant suffers
from depression.
838
00:32:20,143 --> 00:32:24,876
But so do many millions of
people who never commit a crime.
839
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:27,477
Mr. Carter's marriage
of 15 years,
840
00:32:27,542 --> 00:32:29,609
as well as
his long-term employment,
841
00:32:29,676 --> 00:32:32,443
testifies to
his overall stability.
842
00:32:32,509 --> 00:32:34,509
You heard Dr. Perrin's
testimony.
843
00:32:34,576 --> 00:32:40,377
Mr. Carter had the ability to
discern right from wrong.
844
00:32:40,443 --> 00:32:41,976
He made the wrong choice.
845
00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,043
ku
That night, the defendant--
846
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:46,876
knowing that he had
a substance abuse problem
847
00:32:46,943 --> 00:32:49,676
and a history
of violent behavior
848
00:32:49,743 --> 00:32:51,010
and alcoholic blackouts,
849
00:32:51,076 --> 00:32:53,310
and knowing that during
one such blackout,
850
00:32:53,377 --> 00:32:55,876
he shot and killed
his own mother--
851
00:32:55,943 --> 00:32:58,310
went to a bar,
and started drinking.
852
00:32:58,377 --> 00:33:00,676
He became enraged at the idea
853
00:33:00,743 --> 00:33:02,576
that his niece
was abandoning him,
854
00:33:02,642 --> 00:33:05,576
getting married and leaving him.
855
00:33:05,642 --> 00:33:09,110
And he went to her apartment
and stabbed her to death.
856
00:33:10,076 --> 00:33:13,176
Sam Carter has never been
legally held
857
00:33:13,243 --> 00:33:14,843
responsible for the murder
of his mother.
858
00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:16,375
If he had been,
859
00:33:16,376 --> 00:33:17,875
this whole tragedy never
would've occurred.
860
00:33:17,876 --> 00:33:19,609
I beg you...
861
00:33:19,676 --> 00:33:23,743
hold Mr. Carter responsible
for the murder of his niece.
862
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:27,342
Great closing.
863
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:29,243
Thanks. You too.
Jury's taking
864
00:33:29,309 --> 00:33:31,210
a long time.
Thanks.
865
00:33:31,277 --> 00:33:33,110
Thank you.
866
00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:34,576
Trying to sort through
the three possible verdicts
867
00:33:34,576 --> 00:33:36,243
under Indiana law.
868
00:33:36,309 --> 00:33:38,609
Guilty. Guilty but mentally
insane at the time.
869
00:33:38,676 --> 00:33:41,243
Not guilty by reason
of mental defect or disease.
870
00:33:41,309 --> 00:33:42,743
That's a lot
to sort through.
871
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:43,442
Yeah.
872
00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:47,876
Annabeth Chase.
873
00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,409
Thank you.
874
00:33:49,476 --> 00:33:50,743
The jury's back.
875
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:51,810
Okay.
876
00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:02,543
The jury finds the defendant
guilty of the murder
877
00:34:02,609 --> 00:34:05,876
of Amanda Monroe, but mentally
ill at the time of the crime.
878
00:34:05,943 --> 00:34:08,409
Mr. Carter,
you'll be transferred
879
00:34:08,476 --> 00:34:10,010
to a psychiatric facility,
880
00:34:10,076 --> 00:34:14,342
duration and terms to be
determined at your sentencing.
881
00:34:16,676 --> 00:34:18,976
Congratulations,
I guess.
882
00:34:19,043 --> 00:34:19,943
Who said a tie game
883
00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:21,643
is like kissing your sister?
884
00:34:21,709 --> 00:34:22,442
Vince Lombardi.
885
00:34:22,509 --> 00:34:23,409
We have
886
00:34:23,476 --> 00:34:25,010
to prepare for our sentencing.
887
00:34:25,076 --> 00:34:27,309
Make sure Sam Carter doesn't
end up five years from now
888
00:34:27,376 --> 00:34:29,676
in outpatient care.
Jury found him sympathetic.
889
00:34:29,743 --> 00:34:31,576
The guy's only
a bender away from killing again.
890
00:34:31,643 --> 00:34:34,609
I want him put away for
the rest of his life.
891
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:39,900
There's got to be fi1es we can use
892
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,500
to influence the sentencing.
893
00:34:41,567 --> 00:34:43,867
Carter was a model patient
in the juvenile pysch ward.
894
00:34:43,934 --> 00:34:45,366
No run-ins
with any other inmates,
895
00:34:45,433 --> 00:34:47,032
no problems with the staff.
896
00:34:47,033 --> 00:34:49,167
Prior to his incarceration,
he had some curfew violations,
897
00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:50,966
a couple of drunk and
disorderly charges,
898
00:34:51,033 --> 00:34:53,133
ticket for loitering,
in front of a liquor store
899
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,633
the day of the murder.
900
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,267
Nothing that indicates
he was prone to violence?
901
00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:58,766
No. Nothing.
According to the police report,
902
00:34:58,833 --> 00:35:02,534
the house was ransacked,
jewelry and cash stolen.
903
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:03,833
Wait. Jordan told me
904
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:05,900
his father gave all his jewelry
to his sisters.
905
00:35:05,966 --> 00:35:09,233
Mr. Carter reported it stolen,
and filed an insurance claim.
906
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,100
Just an opportunist?
907
00:35:11,167 --> 00:35:12,900
Saw his chance to commit
a little insurance fraud?
908
00:35:12,966 --> 00:35:14,367
His son kills his wife,
909
00:35:14,367 --> 00:35:15,866
and he's thinking
how to make a few bucks
910
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:17,400
defrauding
the insurance company?
911
00:35:17,467 --> 00:35:19,467
MAN:
{i1}Cops made a mistake.{i}
912
00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:20,866
I found the jewelry in my room
913
00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:22,467
a couple of days
after my mom died,
914
00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:24,333
in a bag
in the back of the closet.
915
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,800
When I looked inside,
I thought-- well, it sounds dumb--
916
00:35:26,866 --> 00:35:29,833
but I thought
maybe she left it for me somehow.
917
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,800
And so I put it away
in my toy chest.
918
00:35:32,866 --> 00:35:34,534
A few days later, Daddy
came looking for it.
919
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,434
What did he say?
Well, I told him what I thought.
920
00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:39,917
That Mama must have
wanted me to have it.
921
00:35:39,983 --> 00:35:42,017
But he told me she
didn't put it there.
922
00:35:42,084 --> 00:35:43,683
It wasn't for me.
It was for my sisters.
923
00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:45,983
Your father filed a claim
on that jewelry.
924
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:48,349
He collected
a rather large payment.
925
00:35:48,416 --> 00:35:49,717
Doesn't suprise me
926
00:35:49,783 --> 00:35:51,683
That's Daddy for you.
927
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:54,950
Rules were always
meant for somebody else.
928
00:35:55,017 --> 00:35:57,917
Cheats on his taxes, too.
Don't tell him I told you.
929
00:35:57,983 --> 00:35:59,783
WOMAN:
This is all
930
00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:02,216
I have left of my mama.
931
00:36:02,283 --> 00:36:05,717
You believe it all fits
in this little box?
932
00:36:05,783 --> 00:36:07,483
My mama's wedding ring.
933
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:09,084
Hmm.
934
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:11,249
And a boy's class ring.
935
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:16,050
"KG"?
936
00:36:16,117 --> 00:36:18,717
Kevin Grover.
937
00:36:18,783 --> 00:36:20,416
Mama would
always tell this
938
00:36:20,483 --> 00:36:20,616
story how he took her
to the senior prom
939
00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:23,783
and his car caught on fire.
940
00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:25,117
She'd laugh and say
941
00:36:25,184 --> 00:36:26,817
it was the hottest date
she'd ever had.
942
00:36:28,683 --> 00:36:31,349
She had some kind
of crush on him.
943
00:36:31,416 --> 00:36:33,283
She held on to it forever.
944
00:36:35,084 --> 00:36:38,683
Sent the most beautiful spray
of flowers when she died.
945
00:36:41,683 --> 00:36:41,850
MAN:
So what do you want from me, brother?
946
00:36:43,216 --> 00:36:45,450
Just tell me
about Angela Carter.
947
00:36:45,516 --> 00:36:46,917
Angela and me,
948
00:36:46,983 --> 00:36:48,117
we were on again,
949
00:36:48,184 --> 00:36:50,117
off again, for a lot of years.
950
00:36:50,184 --> 00:36:51,416
When she died?
951
00:36:51,483 --> 00:36:53,084
We were on again.
952
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,483
She was married then?
953
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:58,084
Yeah, but not for long.
954
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:59,316
Her husband know?
955
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:01,550
She said she was going
to tell him,
956
00:37:01,616 --> 00:37:02,983
but I don't think she ever did.
957
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:05,650
That's the kind of thing
you put off as long as you can.
958
00:37:05,717 --> 00:37:07,783
It wasn't easy,
but we kept it quiet.
959
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:09,950
Angela would
come by most days.
960
00:37:10,017 --> 00:37:11,450
We'd have lunch.
961
00:37:11,516 --> 00:37:13,249
Did you have lunch with her
then? The day she died?
962
00:37:13,316 --> 00:37:14,249
We did.
963
00:37:14,316 --> 00:37:16,216
Always the same time.
964
00:37:16,283 --> 00:37:21,516
We'd go to this little diner
other side of town, early.
965
00:37:21,583 --> 00:37:23,450
We'd beat the lunch crowd,
so we wouldn't run
966
00:37:23,516 --> 00:37:25,017
into anybody who we knew.
967
00:37:25,084 --> 00:37:26,383
Angela would be on her way
968
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:28,150
home by noon.
969
00:37:28,216 --> 00:37:30,316
What?
970
00:37:30,383 --> 00:37:32,117
Are you sure about the time?
971
00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,683
Yeah.
972
00:37:36,817 --> 00:37:40,083
Something about Angela Carter's
murder doesn't add up.
973
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:42,199
Her husband reported
her jewelry stolen,
974
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,266
but later he gave it
to his daughters.
975
00:37:44,267 --> 00:37:45,633
Minor league insurance fraud.
976
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,800
I'm sure the statute of
limitations has run out on that.
977
00:37:47,866 --> 00:37:49,533
The afternoon of the murder,
Carter was ticketed
978
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,334
for loitering in front of
a liquor store around 3:00.
979
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,833
Time enough to go ho
and shoot his mother.
980
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:55,167
Well, here's the thing.
981
00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:56,666
She had had lunch that day
with her lover.
982
00:37:56,733 --> 00:37:58,233
Her lover?
Ed spoke to him.
983
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:00,633
I went back and looked
at the autopsy report.
984
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:01,766
She was killed
985
00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:03,133
within an hour
of eating that meal.
986
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,633
What's the official
time of death?
987
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,000
Between 3:00 and 4:00.
988
00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:07,933
When did she have lunch
with her lover?
989
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,033
Before noon.
990
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,566
Doesn't completely
clear the kid.
991
00:38:11,633 --> 00:38:13,067
No, but it makes him
more unlikely,
992
00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:15,233
and it moves the time of death
up to about 1:00.
993
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:16,900
Did the police ever check
if the father had an alibi?
994
00:38:16,967 --> 00:38:18,300
The case was so cut and dried,
995
00:38:18,367 --> 00:38:19,900
only a cursory check
as far as I know.
996
00:38:19,967 --> 00:38:21,733
Let's see what Ed and Ray
can dig up on that.
997
00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:26,815
Here's Cyrus's file,
January, 1981.
998
00:38:26,816 --> 00:38:28,350
A letter to his coworkers
999
00:38:28,417 --> 00:38:29,816
telling them where
to send flowers.
1000
00:38:29,883 --> 00:38:32,083
Donation to an ASPCA.
1001
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:33,417
Fax and report
1002
00:38:33,484 --> 00:38:36,150
for a company vehicle.
Check out the date.
1003
00:38:36,217 --> 00:38:37,599
Same day his
wife was killed.
1004
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,433
Checked out a company truck
on his lunch hour,
1005
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:40,899
between 12:30, 2:00.
1006
00:38:40,966 --> 00:38:42,299
Dented a fender.
1007
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,200
Company files a claim
for the bodywork.
1008
00:38:44,267 --> 00:38:46,634
Question is, where was Cyrus
Carter between 12:30 and 2:00?
1009
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,167
You mean right around the time
his wife was killed.
1010
00:38:48,233 --> 00:38:49,534
We got a solid
gold motive.
1011
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,567
A jealous husband. Doesn't get
much better than that.
1012
00:38:51,634 --> 00:38:52,933
If we can place him
near the crime scene,
1013
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,133
and blow up
his alibi...
1014
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,400
I'm thinking
there's a good chance
1015
00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:57,167
the Indiana Public Employees
surance Union
1016
00:38:57,233 --> 00:38:58,833
might have a record
1017
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:02,100
of the specific location
of his little fender bender.
1018
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:06,900
We're charging you
for the murder
1019
00:39:06,966 --> 00:39:09,066
of your wife, Angela Carter.
1020
00:39:09,133 --> 00:39:11,766
That's just a crazy idea.
1021
00:39:11,833 --> 00:39:13,766
You checked out a company
vehicle over your lunch hour,
1022
00:39:13,833 --> 00:39:17,367
went home, killed your wife,
staged a robbery to cover it up,
1023
00:39:17,433 --> 00:39:18,833
and then went back to work.
1024
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,467
I completely agree
with Mr. Carter.
1025
00:39:20,534 --> 00:39:23,766
A truly crazy idea and sheer
conjecture without a shred
1026
00:39:23,833 --> 00:39:25,100
of evidence.
1027
00:39:25,167 --> 00:39:26,799
We have the records
from Indiana Electric.
1028
00:39:26,866 --> 00:39:29,600
In your haste to get back to
work, you hit a utility pole
1029
00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:32,733
two blocks from your house
at 1:10 p.m.
1030
00:39:34,933 --> 00:39:36,699
What happened,
Mr. Carter?
1031
00:39:36,866 --> 00:39:38,933
You were in such a state
after killing your wife
1032
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,333
that you got into an accident?
1033
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,833
It's not like that.
1034
00:39:42,899 --> 00:39:44,634
See, I was just driving
through the neighborhood
1035
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:46,100
on my way back from lunch.
-In a company truck.
1036
00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,066
Why didn't you take
your own car to lunch?
1037
00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:52,200
Why would I kill Angela?
1038
00:39:52,367 --> 00:39:54,066
I had no reason to.
1039
00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:56,066
Mr. Carter, don't
say anything else.
1040
00:39:56,133 --> 00:39:57,600
This is fantasy,
Miss Chase.
1041
00:39:57,633 --> 00:39:59,667
You had all the reasons
in the world, Mr. Carter.
1042
00:39:59,734 --> 00:40:02,266
And his name was Kevin Grover.
1043
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:04,266
Your wife's high
school sweetheart.
1044
00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:06,066
We know they were
having an affair.
1045
00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:07,567
Apparently, so did you.
1046
00:40:07,633 --> 00:40:09,400
What you didn't know
was that they had lunch together
1047
00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:11,500
that day.
--early-- Which means
1048
00:40:11,567 --> 00:40:13,633
results, based
on the contents of her stomach,
1049
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:15,166
place her death
during your lunch hour.
1050
00:40:15,233 --> 00:40:17,400
If the authorities got
the time of death wrong,
1051
00:40:17,467 --> 00:40:18,933
that's their problem.
1052
00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:20,300
You knew your wife
was leaving you, didn't you?
1053
00:40:20,367 --> 00:40:24,800
Your son didn't kill
his mother. You did.
1054
00:40:24,866 --> 00:40:27,033
And we have enough
evidence to take you to trial
1055
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:30,033
and convict you. I am offering
you a choice, Mr. Carter.
1056
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,600
Are you offering us a plea?
1057
00:40:31,667 --> 00:40:33,166
We'll discuss that
if he tells us the truth.
1058
00:40:38,166 --> 00:40:41,467
They were my kids.
1059
00:40:41,533 --> 00:40:43,999
Our kids.
1060
00:40:44,066 --> 00:40:47,567
I wasn't going
to let her take them away.
1061
00:40:47,633 --> 00:40:51,700
Let them call that man "Daddy."
1062
00:40:54,133 --> 00:40:55,834
They're my kids.
1063
00:40:55,899 --> 00:40:59,133
You let the police
arrest your son.
1064
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,166
Because I knew nothing much
was going to happen to him
1065
00:41:01,233 --> 00:41:02,800
because of his age.
1066
00:41:02,866 --> 00:41:04,966
Besides, he's troubled.
1067
00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:08,066
I thought they would give him
the help he needed.
1068
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:09,166
You let him believe
he killed his mother.
1069
00:41:09,233 --> 00:41:10,734
How was that helping him?
1070
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,666
I have other
children to raise.
1071
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:17,233
If I went to prison,
who was going to provide for them?
1072
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,734
I gave my children a good life.
1073
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,567
You keep telling yourself that.
1074
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,266
I think about it all, every day.
1075
00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:31,933
I don't know why I did it.
1076
00:41:31,999 --> 00:41:35,933
Or why I did what
I did to Mandy, either.
1077
00:41:35,999 --> 00:41:38,133
Do you think there's a day
that goes by
1078
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,567
I don't beg her for forgiveness?
1079
00:41:39,633 --> 00:41:41,467
Or my mother?
1080
00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:43,500
You don't need
to do that anymore.
1081
00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:46,066
Not for your mother anyway.
1082
00:41:46,133 --> 00:41:48,433
How come? Why not?
1083
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,666
You didn't kill her.
1084
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,333
Miss Chase, there
was blood all over me.
1085
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,167
My prints were on the gun.
1086
00:41:59,233 --> 00:42:00,500
You were very
drunk that day.
1087
00:42:00,567 --> 00:42:03,100
You came home,
the house had been ransacked.
1088
00:42:03,167 --> 00:42:06,000
You saw your mother lying
in a pool of her own blood.
1089
00:42:06,066 --> 00:42:09,233
The shock of seeing her body
must have been tremendous.
1090
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:14,200
The shotgun was lying
next to her, and you picked it up.
1091
00:42:14,267 --> 00:42:17,333
The stress of what you had just
seen... you had a blackout.
1092
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,467
And, when you came to,
the police were arresting you,
1093
00:42:20,534 --> 00:42:22,200
but you didn't do it.
1094
00:42:22,267 --> 00:42:25,066
She was already dead?
1095
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,300
She was already dead.
1096
00:42:29,634 --> 00:42:31,433
And, all these years,
I thought...
1097
00:42:35,066 --> 00:42:36,766
If I didn't kill her...?
1098
00:42:36,833 --> 00:42:38,367
Your father.
1099
00:42:38,433 --> 00:42:41,367
He shot her
and let you take the blame.
1100
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,433
Daddy wouldn't
have done that.
1101
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,766
We confronted him with the
evidence, and he confessed.
1102
00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:51,267
No.
1103
00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:55,033
No, no, no.
1104
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,333
My daddy loves me.
1105
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,867
And he wouldn't let
me suffer like that.
1106
00:43:03,167 --> 00:43:08,333
He wouldn't let me think that
I had done something like that.
1107
00:43:11,666 --> 00:43:15,600
He wouldn't throw my life away
like that.
1108
00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:18,534
I'm sorry, Mr. Carter.
1109
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,600
You're going to have
to wrestle with that one.
1110
00:43:20,666 --> 00:43:23,200
And Mandy.
1111
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,167
You can
lay your mother
1112
00:43:25,233 --> 00:43:27,567
to rest now, at least.
1113
00:43:27,634 --> 00:43:40,884
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