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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:29,130 When I was 15, I had a... vision. 4 00:00:34,702 --> 00:00:37,371 Thought I would be in the entertainment business. 5 00:00:37,471 --> 00:00:38,972 I didn't know what. 6 00:00:48,316 --> 00:00:51,185 Back then, it was the beginning of a whole new world. 7 00:00:52,386 --> 00:00:54,722 50,000 people converged on the civic center 8 00:00:54,822 --> 00:00:56,757 to protest a Goldwater nomination 9 00:00:56,857 --> 00:00:58,726 at the demonstration for civil rights. 10 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:01,462 Shit was different then, you know? 11 00:01:01,562 --> 00:01:03,063 A lot of rules were being broken. 12 00:01:06,267 --> 00:01:08,336 Open another, we'll shut it down! 13 00:01:08,436 --> 00:01:09,803 Whatever prompted you 14 00:01:09,903 --> 00:01:12,606 to develop this topless bathing suit anyway? 15 00:01:12,706 --> 00:01:15,109 Well, I believe that it is a definite trend. 16 00:01:15,209 --> 00:01:16,910 Why do you think it's gonna catch on 17 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:19,613 in the United States? Aren't we prudish about such matters? 18 00:01:19,713 --> 00:01:22,350 Well, I think more prudish than the rest of the world, yes. 19 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:25,319 We must decide what sort of people we are 20 00:01:25,419 --> 00:01:26,954 and what sort of a world we want. 21 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:33,794 Talented young lady named Carol Doda. 22 00:01:33,894 --> 00:01:36,564 Oh, you can't reach me. How about if I do a little lean? 23 00:01:38,065 --> 00:01:40,168 San Francisco is a happening town. 24 00:01:40,268 --> 00:01:41,669 They wanna see entertainment. 25 00:01:41,769 --> 00:01:43,036 You're given credit for launching 26 00:01:43,137 --> 00:01:44,572 the topless craze. 27 00:01:46,307 --> 00:01:48,509 Ms. Carol Doda, the topless queen. 28 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:50,944 That's right. That's where it happened, the Condor. 29 00:01:51,044 --> 00:01:53,381 She made an international name for herself. 30 00:01:53,481 --> 00:01:55,783 - There's nudity in your show. - Wanna tell you something. 31 00:01:55,883 --> 00:01:57,885 There's nudity, but it's done tastefully. 32 00:01:57,985 --> 00:02:00,554 Art lovers go and see that. This is another form of art. 33 00:02:00,654 --> 00:02:02,990 Like a nude painting or a nude statue. 34 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:04,358 It has taste. 35 00:02:04,458 --> 00:02:06,160 Was always a class act. 36 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:09,096 Carol Doda, of course, was the star of North Beach. 37 00:02:09,663 --> 00:02:11,465 Why was Carol famous? 38 00:02:11,565 --> 00:02:15,035 She was more than a stripper, a go-go dancer. 39 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:17,070 There was just something different about her. 40 00:02:17,171 --> 00:02:19,873 She was brave enough to do something 41 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:21,141 no one had done before. 42 00:02:21,842 --> 00:02:23,844 In every way, it made sense 43 00:02:23,944 --> 00:02:26,914 that people went absolutely wild when she did this. 44 00:02:27,014 --> 00:02:30,184 But it was nowhere near the revolutionary places 45 00:02:30,284 --> 00:02:32,220 that she was going to take American culture. 46 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:54,975 Broadway Street, it was fantastic. 47 00:02:55,676 --> 00:02:58,412 Everybody that came to San Francisco in those days 48 00:02:58,512 --> 00:02:59,547 came to Broadway. 49 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:04,385 Those clubs were packed with tourists. 50 00:03:04,485 --> 00:03:07,655 North Beach was the off-season Vegas. 51 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:13,461 It was a very active music scene. 52 00:03:13,561 --> 00:03:16,597 I saw all these great, great performers 53 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:19,367 and we'd see these at breakfast shows at 2:00 in the morning. 54 00:03:19,467 --> 00:03:20,968 You had the Jazz Workshop. 55 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:23,537 Down the street, you had Lenny Bruce. 56 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:25,906 I mean, it was entertainment row. 57 00:03:27,241 --> 00:03:29,377 10:00 p.m. in San Francisco. 58 00:03:29,477 --> 00:03:31,412 This Baghdad by the Bay 59 00:03:31,512 --> 00:03:33,314 is a swinging place. 60 00:03:33,414 --> 00:03:34,915 The happening clubs 61 00:03:35,015 --> 00:03:37,285 - were Pierre's... - The Off-Broadway. 62 00:03:37,385 --> 00:03:38,852 - Roaring 20's. - Purple Onion. 63 00:03:38,952 --> 00:03:40,488 - The Hungry I. - El Cid. 64 00:03:40,588 --> 00:03:42,089 - Big Al's. - The Galaxie. 65 00:03:42,189 --> 00:03:44,091 - Then you have Finocchio's. - Peppermint Tree. 66 00:03:44,191 --> 00:03:45,959 - And the Condor. - Condor. 67 00:03:46,059 --> 00:03:47,395 - The Condor. - The Condor. 68 00:03:47,495 --> 00:03:49,229 - The Condor. - Condor was the place to go. 69 00:03:49,330 --> 00:03:52,500 It was right on the corner there. It was beautiful. 70 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,102 Everybody was friendly. 71 00:03:55,202 --> 00:03:57,237 ♪ Hully gully, pretty papa ♪ 72 00:03:57,338 --> 00:03:58,806 * All right ♪ 73 00:03:58,906 --> 00:04:01,975 Carol started at the Condor as a waitress. 74 00:04:02,075 --> 00:04:04,412 I really didn't know how to serve cocktails, 75 00:04:04,512 --> 00:04:06,780 so it was like this tremendous pressure 76 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,482 because I had to do good. 77 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:10,351 I just had to prove myself 78 00:04:10,451 --> 00:04:11,952 as a capable worker. 79 00:04:12,052 --> 00:04:13,921 That somebody would be proud of me. 80 00:04:14,722 --> 00:04:17,124 So I became one of the best cocktail waitresses 81 00:04:17,224 --> 00:04:18,826 in San Francisco. 82 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:20,794 ♪ Hully gully, pretty papa... ♪ 83 00:04:20,894 --> 00:04:22,596 When I started working at night 84 00:04:22,696 --> 00:04:25,265 is when I really got to meet Carol. 85 00:04:25,366 --> 00:04:28,035 And she was just one of the cocktail waitresses, 86 00:04:28,135 --> 00:04:30,771 but she had the front station, the busiest station. 87 00:04:31,572 --> 00:04:32,806 I had this habit 88 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:34,608 of always jumping around and dancing, 89 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:36,644 and I would be relating to the people 90 00:04:36,744 --> 00:04:39,313 like I was entertaining them, only I was serving them drinks. 91 00:04:39,413 --> 00:04:40,714 They thought I was crazy 92 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:42,282 and they loved me and they'd come back. 93 00:04:44,217 --> 00:04:46,354 Carol Doda was friends with everybody. 94 00:04:46,454 --> 00:04:47,821 Everybody liked her. 95 00:04:47,921 --> 00:04:49,957 She always wore a white leotard. 96 00:04:50,057 --> 00:04:52,159 The rest of us wore black leotards. 97 00:04:52,259 --> 00:04:53,794 You know, she stood out. 98 00:04:54,328 --> 00:04:56,864 The Condor was a blast. 99 00:04:56,964 --> 00:04:58,966 And they had good bands. 100 00:04:59,066 --> 00:05:00,834 1964... 101 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:02,069 Oh yeah! 102 00:05:02,169 --> 00:05:03,704 ...and we gonna dance some more. 103 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:08,308 George & Teddy were the big hit for the North Beach. 104 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:10,911 They sang all the Motown songs 105 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:12,880 They were the first musicians 106 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:15,148 that brought the crowd into the Condor. 107 00:05:23,691 --> 00:05:26,226 ♪ Mary had a little lamb ♪ 108 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,429 ♪ Whose fleece were white as snow ♪ 109 00:05:28,529 --> 00:05:29,763 ♪ Hey! ♪ 110 00:05:29,863 --> 00:05:32,332 ♪ And everywhere that Mary went ♪ 111 00:05:32,433 --> 00:05:33,701 ♪ Her lamb was sure to go... ♪ 112 00:05:33,801 --> 00:05:35,102 George & Teddy, 113 00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:37,371 they were the talk of the town back then. 114 00:05:37,471 --> 00:05:40,408 - ♪ Baby ♪ - ♪ Crackin' up over you ♪ 115 00:05:40,508 --> 00:05:43,911 ♪ I said I love you, baby Love you, girl ♪ 116 00:05:44,011 --> 00:05:47,014 ♪ Don't you wanna love me too? ♪ 117 00:05:50,518 --> 00:05:52,720 I just would wail on my horn, you know, 118 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:53,921 for that style. 119 00:05:58,892 --> 00:06:02,796 And those girls were really risque for the time. 120 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,398 ♪ Crackin' up over you... ♪ 121 00:06:05,032 --> 00:06:06,967 George & Teddy coming out between their legs. 122 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,069 All of a sudden, you see Teddy going... 123 00:06:09,169 --> 00:06:11,639 - He was a naughty boy. - Whoa! 124 00:06:15,743 --> 00:06:18,712 Pete Mattioli and Gino Del Prete owned the Condor. 125 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:20,147 Pete and Gino. 126 00:06:20,247 --> 00:06:21,649 They were two little, short Italian kids 127 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:23,316 but they ran a tough club. 128 00:06:23,417 --> 00:06:25,553 Gino, he was just a character. 129 00:06:25,653 --> 00:06:28,088 He was a superstar himself. 130 00:06:28,188 --> 00:06:30,824 'cause he involved himself with all the people. 131 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:32,826 He was somebody to go see. 132 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:34,462 Gino was a naughty boy. 133 00:06:34,562 --> 00:06:36,396 And I ain't gonna say another word. 134 00:06:36,497 --> 00:06:39,733 I used to drive his father's ravioli truck 135 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:41,569 I knew Gino a long time. 136 00:06:41,669 --> 00:06:43,336 Gino was wild 137 00:06:43,437 --> 00:06:44,805 and unpredictable. 138 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:46,940 Pete, he wasn't a saint. 139 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,443 But he was a straight arrow compared to Gino. 140 00:06:49,543 --> 00:06:52,646 Pete ran it totally professional. 141 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:55,015 We had go-go girls 142 00:06:55,115 --> 00:06:58,752 and we had the best-looking cocktail waitresses in town. 143 00:06:59,853 --> 00:07:01,221 I was always dancing. 144 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:04,324 And they said, "Oh, Carol, get up on the stage." 145 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:07,661 And I'd go between serving drinks, jump up on the stage. 146 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:10,631 They had this piano player. He said, "Get up here, 147 00:07:10,731 --> 00:07:12,933 there's no room on the stage." So I got up on the piano. 148 00:07:16,904 --> 00:07:19,306 Carol jumped on the piano and did the Twist 149 00:07:19,406 --> 00:07:21,174 and people used to love that. 150 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:24,044 And I think that's how she got the idea, you know? 151 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:25,445 "This'll be my thing." 152 00:07:25,546 --> 00:07:27,781 - George, do "Bony Moronie"! 153 00:07:31,151 --> 00:07:33,854 ♪ Oh, I got a girl named Bony Moronie ♪ 154 00:07:36,423 --> 00:07:38,692 ♪ She as skinny as a stick of macaroni ♪ 155 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:41,695 - Whoa! 156 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:44,164 The competition was real tough. 157 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:46,634 That's why we all tried to be a little diverse 158 00:07:46,734 --> 00:07:48,802 and have something different. 159 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:50,237 You had to have a gimmick. 160 00:07:54,675 --> 00:07:57,745 I go into the Condor early one night 161 00:07:57,845 --> 00:08:00,380 and Gino's at the bar and we're talking and he says, 162 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,083 "I'm gonna have that piano come down from the ceiling." 163 00:08:03,183 --> 00:08:04,885 I said, "The piano weighs a ton." 164 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:06,419 "No, I got a guy. 165 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,689 He's gonna do the hydraulics. It's gonna happen." 166 00:08:08,789 --> 00:08:10,891 And I'm thinking, "Yeah, what's he thinking?" 167 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:13,927 Well, I had to cut a hole in the ceiling 168 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:16,229 and then we had to make a tunnel 169 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:18,766 from the dressing room to that hole 170 00:08:18,866 --> 00:08:20,433 where she'd stand on the piano 171 00:08:20,534 --> 00:08:22,703 and press the button and then come down. 172 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:24,572 Carol gets on the piano 173 00:08:24,672 --> 00:08:27,007 and everybody's like holding their breath... 174 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:29,109 "Is this gonna work?" 175 00:08:29,209 --> 00:08:31,879 You know you gotta keep up with the times 176 00:08:31,979 --> 00:08:34,882 if you wanna be mine. So let's do it. 177 00:08:34,982 --> 00:08:38,418 And it came down. It came down, hit the stage, 178 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:42,890 and she's doing the Twist and we're all goin', "Oh my God. 179 00:08:42,990 --> 00:08:44,257 It happened." 180 00:08:45,325 --> 00:08:48,629 * The dance they were doing was outta sight ♪ 181 00:08:48,729 --> 00:08:50,397 This crazy piano went up and down 182 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:51,865 like an elevator in the ceiling. 183 00:08:51,965 --> 00:08:53,767 ♪ Then I could do it ♪ 184 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:56,870 - * Aww, shake it up now... ♪ 185 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,372 There were so many dance crazes in the 1960s. 186 00:08:59,472 --> 00:09:03,310 The Frug, the Watusi, the Twist, 187 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:04,544 the Limbo, 188 00:09:04,645 --> 00:09:05,713 the Swim. 189 00:09:06,313 --> 00:09:10,250 The Galaxie on Broadway hired a girl named... 190 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:11,484 Judy Mac. 191 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:13,921 I was a hat check girl at the Galaxie. 192 00:09:14,021 --> 00:09:17,457 And the owner asked to take me to dinner. 193 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:21,629 And I thought, "Yeah, I'll go. What do you have in mind?" 194 00:09:21,729 --> 00:09:23,230 He said, "Well, here's the deal. 195 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:26,634 We heard about this dance called the Swim dance. 196 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:31,805 And we wanna know if you will run a contest and perform it." 197 00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:32,973 I said, "What's the Swim dance?" 198 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:34,407 He said, "I don't know. 199 00:09:34,507 --> 00:09:36,176 Just dance and look like you're swimming." 200 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:37,811 And I said, "Oh, okay. 201 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:39,046 I can do that." 202 00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:43,951 It was publicized in the newspaper 203 00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:45,686 and people were curious and came to see it 204 00:09:45,786 --> 00:09:48,856 because Judy Mac pulled her dress up and did the Swim. 205 00:09:48,956 --> 00:09:51,959 That was kinda risque back in the '60s. 206 00:09:52,059 --> 00:09:55,195 That became the big rage with Bobby Freeman's hit record, 207 00:09:55,295 --> 00:09:56,830 who was from San Francisco. 208 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:58,999 Let me introduce an old friend of American Bandstand, 209 00:09:59,099 --> 00:10:01,001 Mr. Bobby Freeman! 210 00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:02,335 Come on, everybody! 211 00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:03,804 A-come on in! 212 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:07,274 Bobby's gonna show you how to do the Swim! 213 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:14,381 How did it start and where? 214 00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:17,217 Well, actually, I started the Swim two years ago, Dick. 215 00:10:17,317 --> 00:10:19,186 It was a Twist party that took place 216 00:10:19,286 --> 00:10:20,688 at the Cow Palace. 217 00:10:20,788 --> 00:10:22,690 And the headliner was Chubby Checker. 218 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:25,292 Bobby Freeman got on stage and he was doing his hits. 219 00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:28,128 So then Bobby had a last encore, 220 00:10:28,228 --> 00:10:29,963 but he ran out of songs. 221 00:10:30,063 --> 00:10:33,033 There was a musician there that was on keyboard. 222 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:35,402 It was an 18-year-old guy named Sly Stone, 223 00:10:35,502 --> 00:10:38,505 and he started playing this riff on the organ. 224 00:10:39,106 --> 00:10:41,975 So Bobby caught on and he started doing these gyrations 225 00:10:42,075 --> 00:10:45,578 and he started doing hand motions forward. 226 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,847 And then all of a sudden, 227 00:10:46,947 --> 00:10:49,016 you know, the crowd went ecstatic. 228 00:10:49,116 --> 00:10:52,052 So after the show, Sly Stone says, 229 00:10:52,152 --> 00:10:53,586 "Man, what was you doing up there? 230 00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:55,322 Like you were swimmin' or something." 231 00:10:55,422 --> 00:10:56,924 And the Swim was born. 232 00:10:58,425 --> 00:11:01,695 I was given credit for being the creator 233 00:11:01,795 --> 00:11:03,530 of the Swim dance. 234 00:11:03,630 --> 00:11:05,465 I don't even claim that. 235 00:11:06,099 --> 00:11:08,736 Judy Mac did her own variations of the Swim, 236 00:11:08,836 --> 00:11:10,470 and that's when it caught on. 237 00:11:11,104 --> 00:11:13,273 "Wait a minute. Bobby Freeman's the originator. 238 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:16,643 So what we need to do is make a song outta this dance." 239 00:11:16,744 --> 00:11:19,346 Tom Donahue collaborated with Sly Stone 240 00:11:19,446 --> 00:11:23,216 and co-wrote the song and called it "C'mon and Swim." 241 00:11:23,316 --> 00:11:24,852 And it became a smash. 242 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:28,188 ♪ Do what you wanna 'Cause it's all right ♪ 243 00:11:28,288 --> 00:11:30,724 ♪ 'Cause Bobby's gonna show you How to swim tonight ♪ 244 00:11:30,824 --> 00:11:32,225 ♪ Now, baby, swim ♪ 245 00:11:36,563 --> 00:11:38,732 Besides the fact that it's topless, 246 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:41,068 what else is unique about this swimsuit? 247 00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:43,603 There isn't really anything very unique about it 248 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:46,306 other than the fact that it has no top. 249 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:50,643 The swimsuit is a particularly interesting garment 250 00:11:50,744 --> 00:11:54,714 when it comes to the history of women's liberation. 251 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:06,860 Well, I could go back to the bikini. 252 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:12,299 When that first was shown in Italy, people just almost died. 253 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:13,466 Oh! 254 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,002 Rudi Gernreich 255 00:12:15,102 --> 00:12:16,904 is surely one of the most controversial 256 00:12:17,004 --> 00:12:20,640 and also most highly respected figures in the fashion world. 257 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:24,978 He is very avant-garde and a very forward-thinking person 258 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:28,448 which will influence the world, in my estimation. 259 00:12:28,548 --> 00:12:31,318 Why did he come up with this idea? 260 00:12:31,418 --> 00:12:33,453 How did he come up with this idea? 261 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,488 It's very political. 262 00:12:35,588 --> 00:12:39,159 Fashion is highly political. 263 00:12:39,927 --> 00:12:43,363 And has been from the dawn of time. 264 00:12:43,463 --> 00:12:46,733 When first-wave feminists were trying to get the vote, 265 00:12:46,834 --> 00:12:49,002 there was also a dress reform movement 266 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:50,670 because they were dressed in corsets 267 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,205 and they could barely breathe. 268 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,976 Rudi Gernreich isn't just a fashion designer. 269 00:12:56,076 --> 00:12:58,678 He's one of the first members 270 00:12:58,778 --> 00:13:00,513 of the Mattachine Society, 271 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,615 which is one of the first gay rights groups 272 00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:04,084 in the United States. 273 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:09,990 Eventually, magazines agreed to run the photo of the monokini, 274 00:13:10,090 --> 00:13:12,359 but it was a big controversy from the beginning. 275 00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:14,995 Do you think it could become popular? 276 00:13:15,929 --> 00:13:17,330 No. 277 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:20,067 - Why not? - Lot of bashful women around. 278 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:22,335 I think men won't have respect for any girl at all, 279 00:13:22,435 --> 00:13:24,071 whether she's good or bad. 280 00:13:24,171 --> 00:13:26,206 Problem is, I think you'd get picked up for indecent exposure 281 00:13:26,306 --> 00:13:27,941 as soon as you were found with one on. 282 00:13:28,041 --> 00:13:31,544 I'm afraid I'd have to tell her to, uh, cover up. 283 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:35,382 If she refused, I would have to, uh, take her into custody. 284 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:37,717 The monokini, to me, 285 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,888 really unlocks a whole deeper level 286 00:13:40,988 --> 00:13:43,556 of what Carol Doda was about 287 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:45,092 and what she achieved. 288 00:13:45,192 --> 00:13:48,862 It seems to me that the monokini was... 289 00:13:48,962 --> 00:13:51,264 a kind of momentary gimmick. 290 00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:52,665 Okay. 291 00:13:52,765 --> 00:13:54,434 But let's talk about 292 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:56,870 the monokini as a symbol. 293 00:13:56,970 --> 00:14:00,407 And to do that, you have to understand what was happening 294 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:04,744 in 1964 and 1965, 1966. 295 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:06,546 The Vietnam War. 296 00:14:08,215 --> 00:14:11,518 ...this, which is really heightened in the consciousness, 297 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:13,620 would take action! 298 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,756 The stirrings of the feminist movement. 299 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,426 What you see here is the beginning of a movement 300 00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:21,128 that women are human beings 301 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:22,429 and we have equal rights. 302 00:14:22,529 --> 00:14:24,564 The civil rights movement 303 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:26,900 starting to gain momentum. 304 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:31,204 ...to end the long night of racial injustice... 305 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,575 So this is an extraordinary moment 306 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,177 in American history 307 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:39,913 and during this extraordinary moment, 308 00:14:40,013 --> 00:14:45,118 Carol Doda is handed, by Big Davey Rosenberg, this monokini. 309 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:47,887 He says he designed it only to illustrate a trend, 310 00:14:47,988 --> 00:14:50,623 but buyers began demanding the topless swimsuit 311 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:52,725 and now it's reaching the market. 312 00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:03,971 Davey was the PR man 313 00:15:04,071 --> 00:15:06,940 and anything that would make the news, Davey would do. 314 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,576 Initially, he brought you the newspaper and showed you. 315 00:15:09,676 --> 00:15:12,279 And it was on the front page, above the masthead. 316 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:13,546 You went, "Oh my gosh." 317 00:15:14,114 --> 00:15:16,183 So Davey says, "Let's go buy it." 318 00:15:16,283 --> 00:15:17,784 Everybody knew Davey. 319 00:15:17,884 --> 00:15:21,921 He was very active in promoting Carol. 320 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:24,124 That was his thing at the Condor. 321 00:15:24,224 --> 00:15:27,427 He called me up and said, "Come down here. We have a surprise." 322 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:30,763 Well, I got down there. They said they had a new costume. 323 00:15:31,564 --> 00:15:34,101 And I just see this little bikini thing with two straps. 324 00:15:35,068 --> 00:15:36,103 And... 325 00:15:36,203 --> 00:15:37,370 "I'm not gonna wear that." 326 00:15:37,804 --> 00:15:39,506 We showed it to her 327 00:15:39,606 --> 00:15:41,441 and convinced Carol to wear it. 328 00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:44,544 Carol Doda says, "I was stupid. 329 00:15:44,644 --> 00:15:46,479 If you told me to do it, I did it." 330 00:15:46,579 --> 00:15:48,115 She's not stupid at all. 331 00:15:48,215 --> 00:15:49,349 I think, on some level, 332 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:51,151 she really knew that it was a weapon. 333 00:15:54,821 --> 00:15:56,723 ♪ Stand in a circle ♪ 334 00:15:57,424 --> 00:15:59,126 ♪ Go round and round... ♪ 335 00:15:59,226 --> 00:16:01,328 My dad had a friend who told him 336 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:02,996 he needs to come to the Condor 337 00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:05,332 'cause all hell was gonna break loose. 338 00:16:05,432 --> 00:16:09,002 It was my birthday, June 19, '64. 339 00:16:09,102 --> 00:16:11,204 His friend comes up and says, "Hey man, 340 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,140 can't have your son there. He's underage." 341 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,807 They stuck me in the dressing room. 342 00:16:14,907 --> 00:16:16,409 I remember seeing Carol there, 343 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:18,578 and she says, "What a cute little boy." 344 00:16:19,112 --> 00:16:20,580 I never had any feelings of, 345 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,415 "Should I do this or shouldn't I do this?" 346 00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,717 Except for the minute that I was on the piano, 347 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,719 getting ready to come down out of the ceiling, 348 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:28,388 topless for the first time. 349 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:31,591 I said, "Carol, do you really know what you're doing?" 350 00:16:32,192 --> 00:16:34,994 I said, "Yes, I want to be in show business 351 00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:36,996 and I don't know any other way 352 00:16:37,097 --> 00:16:38,998 but to start showing my business." 353 00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:42,169 And the proverbial shit hit the fan. 354 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:46,939 I'm in the dressing room 355 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,741 and I'm hearing whistles and hollering. 356 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:53,046 Within 20 minutes, Big Al's, next to the Condor, 357 00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:54,881 people started drifting out of the club, 358 00:16:54,981 --> 00:16:56,683 "What's happening? What's happening?" 359 00:16:57,284 --> 00:16:59,119 "The girl out there taking her top off," 360 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:00,720 and the place emptied out. 361 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:02,389 Everybody ran to see this. 362 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:04,691 Even the band. We took off too. 363 00:17:04,791 --> 00:17:06,926 ♪ Come on, baby ♪ 364 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,063 ♪ I want you to swim ♪ 365 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:12,865 I'm going, "I wanna go out," and the guy's like, 366 00:17:12,965 --> 00:17:14,834 "No, you can't. You're underage." 367 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,904 I didn't know what was happening but I was buzzed. 368 00:17:18,004 --> 00:17:19,572 She came down on that piano, 369 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:22,442 and it was a sensation. 370 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:25,078 ♪ Bobby's gonna do the swim For you tonight ♪ 371 00:17:25,178 --> 00:17:27,414 - ♪ Now, baby, swim... ♪ - The Condor breaks loose 372 00:17:27,514 --> 00:17:29,116 with Carol, okay? 373 00:17:29,216 --> 00:17:30,617 The Condor breaks loose. 374 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:32,485 She took the top off 375 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:34,687 and everybody would gasp. 376 00:17:35,422 --> 00:17:38,158 'Cause they never saw topless in those days. 377 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:41,461 They were lined up around the corner. 378 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:44,497 Like they'd never seen bare breasts before in their lives. 379 00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:46,999 The shows people were usually seeing were strip shows 380 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:49,502 where they would be covered up with pasties, the nipples. 381 00:17:49,602 --> 00:17:52,004 So the nipples were a big deal, you know? 382 00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:54,674 The greatest things since sliced bread, I guess. 383 00:17:55,242 --> 00:17:57,644 It was amazing how fast the word spread. 384 00:17:57,744 --> 00:18:00,447 Man, three or four deep on the sidewalks. 385 00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:02,682 I mean, you couldn't even walk down the sidewalk. 386 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,952 It happened during the Republican National Convention 387 00:18:06,052 --> 00:18:08,255 - that was at the Cow Palace. 388 00:18:08,355 --> 00:18:10,590 The eyes of the nation are on San Francisco 389 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:12,325 as the Republican party convenes 390 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:14,394 to nominate its choice for president. 391 00:18:16,263 --> 00:18:18,365 The Republican man of the hour 392 00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:20,467 and a smiling Mrs. Barry Goldwater 393 00:18:20,567 --> 00:18:21,801 meet the people and the press 394 00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:23,803 as they walk the streets of San Francisco 395 00:18:23,903 --> 00:18:27,940 in the opening days of the Republican National Convention. 396 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,942 Best publicity they could have done. 397 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:35,548 Barry Goldwater's two sons 398 00:18:35,648 --> 00:18:38,885 came into the club. Just like anybody, they wanted to see it. 399 00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:44,957 Nervous that first night? 400 00:18:45,057 --> 00:18:46,626 Yeah, I was for the first show. 401 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,928 It was different. 402 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:57,704 ♪ It's Pony time! Get up! ♪ 403 00:18:57,804 --> 00:18:59,339 ♪ Boogety, boogety Boogety, boogety, shoo... ♪ 404 00:18:59,439 --> 00:19:02,675 She's notorious, she's celebrated. 405 00:19:02,775 --> 00:19:04,744 She and the Condor club sort of usher in 406 00:19:04,844 --> 00:19:07,079 this era of topless dancing. 407 00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:09,816 It becomes "a thing" because of Carol Doda 408 00:19:09,916 --> 00:19:11,218 and her monokini. 409 00:19:15,955 --> 00:19:18,725 After Carol started the topless, 410 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:22,429 nobody wanted to see Swim dancing. 411 00:19:22,529 --> 00:19:25,598 When I had the belly dancers 412 00:19:25,698 --> 00:19:27,567 with a half-empty room, 413 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:31,604 and the Condor had a line all the way around the corner 414 00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:33,206 up to my place, 415 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,774 I said, "That's it. 416 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:38,110 The belly dancers can go." 417 00:19:38,211 --> 00:19:40,179 There was nightclub life 418 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,516 and there was the sexualization of women's bodies. 419 00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:46,419 These things converged in a way I think was really exciting. 420 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:51,023 And sort of made it acceptable, in a way, for respectable men, 421 00:19:51,123 --> 00:19:53,560 um, to go watch go-go dancing 422 00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:55,228 and to go see topless women. 423 00:20:02,835 --> 00:20:04,371 Owner asked if I'd go topless. 424 00:20:04,471 --> 00:20:06,473 He paid me enough and I went topless. 425 00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:09,876 I was the second girl to go topless in North Beach 426 00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:11,444 after Carol Doda. 427 00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,112 One of my dancer friends said, 428 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,714 "Yes, everybody's dancing topless. 429 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:16,549 If you want a gig, you have to dance topless." 430 00:20:16,649 --> 00:20:18,618 I couldn't go topless. 431 00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:20,920 I mean, my parents lived across the Bay 432 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:23,323 and that would have been a... 433 00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:24,924 a mistake. 434 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:26,459 Was it tough finding a topless dancer 435 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,361 when topless first started in North Beach? 436 00:20:28,895 --> 00:20:30,963 Yes, it was tough. Now it's, you know... 437 00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:34,133 It's like deer, they're in season. 438 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:36,403 Then everything went topless. 439 00:20:36,503 --> 00:20:39,506 - Anything you can think of. You had Tipsy's, 440 00:20:39,606 --> 00:20:43,175 which was home of the topless band, the Ladybirds. 441 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:46,679 ♪ Well, oh-oh-over and over ♪ 442 00:20:46,779 --> 00:20:49,181 ♪ I'll be a fool for you ♪ 443 00:20:49,282 --> 00:20:51,250 El Cid had Gaye Spiegelman 444 00:20:51,351 --> 00:20:52,919 who was the mother of eight. 445 00:20:53,019 --> 00:20:55,187 She had abs like a 19-year-old. 446 00:20:55,288 --> 00:20:57,457 They had a topless clam chowder place. 447 00:20:57,557 --> 00:20:59,091 Topless men's clothing store. 448 00:20:59,191 --> 00:21:01,828 Of course, it was the saleswoman who was topless. 449 00:21:01,928 --> 00:21:03,763 They had topless shoe shine. 450 00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,064 Can you just picture the... 451 00:21:05,898 --> 00:21:08,501 Working... working the rag. 452 00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:12,505 When they opened up the topless shoe shine stand, 453 00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:14,707 I said, "That's gonna bust the fuckin' street." 454 00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:17,377 We ended up gettin' busted. 455 00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:21,848 Then in April 1965, 456 00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:24,216 the city made an effort to shut the clubs down 457 00:21:24,317 --> 00:21:26,353 with a series of raids reminiscent 458 00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:28,955 of the Prohibition era of the 1920s. 459 00:21:29,055 --> 00:21:30,690 We're going to arrest all the girls 460 00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:31,991 with their bosoms exposed 461 00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:33,626 for indecent exposure. 462 00:21:33,726 --> 00:21:36,162 We're gonna take the girls down dressed like they are, 463 00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:39,566 so they can bring their street clothes down with them. 464 00:21:39,666 --> 00:21:42,802 Because we're gonna have to take their costumes, you see? 465 00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:44,404 What about girls not in costume? 466 00:21:44,504 --> 00:21:45,905 Uh, those can remain. 467 00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:48,174 Just those that are topless. 468 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:51,143 * Well, I woke up this morning ♪ 469 00:21:52,278 --> 00:21:54,347 Bring your regular street clothes. 470 00:21:54,447 --> 00:21:56,416 ♪ You were on my mind ♪ 471 00:21:56,516 --> 00:22:02,021 ♪ And you were on my mind... ♪ 472 00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:05,057 Captain, you've had a pretty busy night and day. 473 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:08,027 - Uh, is this going to continue? - Yes, it will continue. 474 00:22:08,127 --> 00:22:10,997 We'll make arrests where there are any violations of the law. 475 00:22:11,097 --> 00:22:13,900 Do you feel this is a violation of the law? 476 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,402 Otherwise, we wouldn't be doing it. 477 00:22:15,502 --> 00:22:17,336 We're making legal arrests, in our opinion. 478 00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:19,539 I'm not worried because I feel I haven't done anything wrong. 479 00:22:19,639 --> 00:22:21,207 I've done my job. 480 00:22:21,307 --> 00:22:24,043 And, uh, I feel that, uh, I have no reason to be scared. 481 00:22:24,143 --> 00:22:25,578 You don't think you've broken any law? 482 00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:27,246 No, I don't think so at all. 483 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:30,383 If you are out on bail by the 4:30 show, will you be back? 484 00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:31,451 Yes, sir. 485 00:22:31,551 --> 00:22:32,852 - In costume? - Yes, sir. 486 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,523 All the other topless girls took it so lightly. 487 00:22:36,623 --> 00:22:37,690 They thought it was a big joke. 488 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:39,125 Everybody enjoyed it, 489 00:22:39,225 --> 00:22:40,593 and they just thought it was a big farce. 490 00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:42,695 But to me, I took it very tragically. 491 00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:44,697 I have never been in jail before in my life 492 00:22:44,797 --> 00:22:46,766 and I'm not used to that sort of thing. 493 00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:49,902 And in my eyes, I think I'm a very nice person, 494 00:22:50,002 --> 00:22:52,472 and for something like that to happen, it was just, uh... 495 00:22:52,572 --> 00:22:55,007 incredible to me. I couldn't believe it. 496 00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:57,644 Gino, what time was your Condor raided? 497 00:22:57,744 --> 00:22:59,311 About 10:00, 10:30. 498 00:22:59,412 --> 00:23:01,113 Did you have any warning at all? 499 00:23:02,081 --> 00:23:05,251 Seeing a man there with a camera. That was about it. 500 00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:06,419 Was it a policeman, or... 501 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,154 No, it was just a reporter. 502 00:23:09,155 --> 00:23:10,222 And, uh... 503 00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:14,594 He said, uh, "I guess there's gonna be a raid." 504 00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:17,063 And what did you do? 505 00:23:17,163 --> 00:23:19,298 I didn't do nothin'. I didn't believe it. 506 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:23,235 In our cell was just Gino, Carol, and me. 507 00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:26,473 They just fingerprinted us and then let us go. 508 00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:28,475 What did the police charge you with? 509 00:23:28,575 --> 00:23:29,742 I don't know. 510 00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:45,424 Do you agree that the topless should be banned in North Beach? 511 00:23:45,525 --> 00:23:47,794 Uh, no, I don't. 512 00:23:47,894 --> 00:23:50,196 I think a person, if, uh, if they want to see it, 513 00:23:50,296 --> 00:23:52,965 - they have a right to see it. - I don't go for it. 514 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:55,768 I mean, I think the girls could keep themselves covered. 515 00:23:55,868 --> 00:23:57,637 If it's a bare-chested man, fine. 516 00:23:57,737 --> 00:23:59,806 Broadway, as it now is 517 00:23:59,906 --> 00:24:01,774 with the various types of entertainment 518 00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,075 that have moved in here, 519 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:06,012 I would say it's somewhat of a cesspool. 520 00:24:06,112 --> 00:24:08,648 You're speaking specifically of the topless, are you not? 521 00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:10,349 Well, yes. What else? 522 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:13,285 People are overdoing it when they say, 523 00:24:13,385 --> 00:24:15,655 "Isn't that terrible what's happening on Broadway?" 524 00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:17,624 It is not terrible. It's wonderful. 525 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:23,295 ♪ Come, let's stroll ♪ 526 00:24:24,564 --> 00:24:26,999 ♪ Stroll across the floor ♪ 527 00:24:30,336 --> 00:24:33,072 We've got the cleanest, nicest area 528 00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:35,708 up here in this North Beach in the whole United States. 529 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,343 And the more people who congregate here 530 00:24:37,443 --> 00:24:38,678 on Friday and Saturday nights, 531 00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:40,747 there's no crime, no problems, no nothing. 532 00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:43,349 What they're complaining about, I don't know. 533 00:24:43,449 --> 00:24:45,384 Because everything that's gone on here 534 00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:46,919 has gone on in other cities. 535 00:24:47,019 --> 00:24:49,188 But with a little overtone of, uh, 536 00:24:49,288 --> 00:24:52,491 behind-the-barn sort of a business. We don't do that here. 537 00:24:53,259 --> 00:24:55,562 Carol, how are you holding up under all this? 538 00:24:55,662 --> 00:24:57,930 - I'm holding up. 539 00:24:58,030 --> 00:25:01,834 Are you anxious to get back to work in your normal costume? 540 00:25:01,934 --> 00:25:03,269 Yes, I certainly am. 541 00:25:04,003 --> 00:25:05,538 I intend to give the police department 542 00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:07,273 and office of the mayor an education. 543 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:11,277 And before the last echoes of last night's explosion is over, 544 00:25:11,377 --> 00:25:13,012 why, I think that, uh, they will 545 00:25:13,112 --> 00:25:15,948 be a little more in their proper places. 546 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,652 ♪ Now, turn around, baby ♪ 547 00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:23,055 ♪ Let's stroll once more ♪ 548 00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:45,878 If the prosecution couldn't prove 549 00:25:45,978 --> 00:25:48,214 what the consensus of opinion was 550 00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:51,283 throughout the city and county of San Francisco, 551 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,419 then they had failed to prove a case. 552 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,656 - ♪ Whoa! ♪ 553 00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:03,229 What was your reaction to it? 554 00:26:03,329 --> 00:26:06,465 Well, I'm glad it's all over and I hope this satisfies the... 555 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,400 people who put it up for a test case, 556 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:09,802 as the courts have decided. 557 00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:12,271 San Francisco was the first city in the nation 558 00:26:12,371 --> 00:26:14,340 where topless entertainment became legal. 559 00:26:14,874 --> 00:26:18,144 Ms. Doda may go back to her piano where she belongs. 560 00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:19,746 Get outta this courtroom. 561 00:26:20,379 --> 00:26:21,681 What are your plans, Ms. Doda? 562 00:26:21,781 --> 00:26:23,515 - Do you intend to... - Go back to the piano 563 00:26:23,616 --> 00:26:24,951 where I belong. 564 00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:26,518 How much do you think it would have cost 565 00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:28,788 to buy this kind of publicity for the Condor? 566 00:26:29,355 --> 00:26:31,090 I don't think we have enough money to buy it. 567 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:32,925 It did good for North Beach. 568 00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:35,862 I mean, "These girls are so bad they got arrested. 569 00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:37,697 Let's go see 'em." 570 00:26:37,797 --> 00:26:39,699 ♪ People talkin' Tryin' to break us up ♪ 571 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,001 ♪ Why don't they let us be? ♪ 572 00:26:42,568 --> 00:26:44,303 ♪ Bricks and stones May break my bones ♪ 573 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:46,538 ♪ But talk don't bother me... ♪ 574 00:26:47,406 --> 00:26:49,441 Lenny Bruce used to get busted all the time. 575 00:26:49,541 --> 00:26:52,679 Every time he went on the stage and faced the street west, 576 00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,280 he got busted. 577 00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:57,183 San Francisco, I got arrested for, uh... 578 00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:58,885 They said it was vernacular 579 00:26:58,985 --> 00:27:02,454 for a favorite homosexual practice, a ten-letter word. 580 00:27:02,554 --> 00:27:05,858 It's weird how they manifested that word as homosexual. 581 00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:07,727 'Cause I don't. That relates to any... 582 00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:09,161 contemporary chick I know or would know 583 00:27:09,261 --> 00:27:10,863 or would love or would marry. 584 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:13,032 He knew he was gonna get busted 585 00:27:13,132 --> 00:27:14,701 but he did it anyway. 586 00:27:15,301 --> 00:27:18,170 He was somebody who skirted around obscenity 587 00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:21,007 as a way to make people think harder 588 00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:25,177 about how our ideas about what was obscene and what was decent 589 00:27:25,277 --> 00:27:27,346 intersected with our racism, 590 00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:29,015 intersected with our sexism, 591 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:31,117 intersected with our anti-Semitism. 592 00:27:33,285 --> 00:27:35,521 Lenny Bruce was basically saying, 593 00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:37,289 "I can't do this anymore" 594 00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:41,994 as Carol Doda was winding up 595 00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:43,963 and coming into her power. 596 00:27:45,297 --> 00:27:47,700 There was something different about Carol Doda. 597 00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:50,903 Yes. 598 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:52,271 Quite a bit different. 599 00:27:56,809 --> 00:27:58,845 Is it all right if I join you up here? 600 00:27:58,945 --> 00:28:00,446 Certainly. The more, the merrier. 601 00:28:00,546 --> 00:28:04,583 Uh, this isn't your usual costume, is it? 602 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,053 Oh, well, I don't think so. Do you? 603 00:28:07,153 --> 00:28:09,221 Well, I've never seen your act. 604 00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:12,358 - You're missing something. 605 00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:14,526 Um, what is it actually? 606 00:28:14,626 --> 00:28:16,428 I mean, I know it's a beautiful gown. 607 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:19,231 But, um, what's the occasion? 608 00:28:19,331 --> 00:28:21,700 It's for the inaugural ball in Sacramento. 609 00:28:21,801 --> 00:28:23,635 - You're going to the ball? - Oh yes. 610 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:31,110 Like any really ambitious performer 611 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:33,212 with a subversive agenda, 612 00:28:33,312 --> 00:28:35,281 that wasn't enough for her. 613 00:28:35,381 --> 00:28:37,349 She wanted to do more 614 00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:40,820 and she wanted to be more. 615 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,023 If you've got a bunch of girls topless, 616 00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:47,226 what's gonna make them come and see you instead of her? 617 00:28:47,326 --> 00:28:53,499 It is fascinating the degree to which size is so important 618 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,102 to the meaning of breasts. 619 00:28:56,702 --> 00:28:59,405 Dave Rosenberg was competitive with Carol. 620 00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:01,874 He wanted to make sure nobody was gonna top her. 621 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:05,444 He's actually the one who convinced Carol. 622 00:29:06,045 --> 00:29:07,914 You know, "You wanna be a star? 623 00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:10,649 We gotta get you pumped up." 624 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:14,686 We have this assumption in American society today 625 00:29:14,787 --> 00:29:17,957 that breasts have always been erotic objects. 626 00:29:18,057 --> 00:29:20,126 But if you look at these sex symbols 627 00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:21,794 of the early 20th century, 628 00:29:21,894 --> 00:29:23,830 you'll find they were famous for their legs. 629 00:29:25,932 --> 00:29:28,000 It's only after the war 630 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,270 that you have the rise, so to speak, 631 00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:36,542 of the big bosom as something that's very fetishized. 632 00:29:36,642 --> 00:29:39,345 Because prior to World War II, 633 00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:42,348 the majority of women would breastfeed their children. 634 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:45,784 And post-war, there's a shift to formula. 635 00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:48,387 When a baby isn't hanging off a breast, 636 00:29:48,487 --> 00:29:50,857 there's a greater opportunity to sexualize it. 637 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:52,724 Why was Marilyn Monroe so popular? 638 00:29:52,825 --> 00:29:54,326 Why was Jayne Mansfield so popular? 639 00:29:54,426 --> 00:29:55,862 Why was Jane Russell so popular? 640 00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:57,663 Men want boobs. 641 00:29:58,564 --> 00:30:01,067 * Betty Lou Got a new pair of shoes ♪ 642 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,970 ♪ Betty Lou Got a new pair of shoes ♪ 643 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:07,239 ♪ Betty Lou Got a new pair of shoes ♪ 644 00:30:07,339 --> 00:30:09,075 ♪ Betty Lou Got a new pair of shoes ♪ 645 00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:11,743 I came to work one day. My boss said, 646 00:30:11,844 --> 00:30:14,580 "Oh, there's this doctor that's giving these injections 647 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,315 that enlarge the breasts." 648 00:30:16,415 --> 00:30:18,350 He says, "You should look into that." 649 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,887 And I thought to myself, right then and there, 650 00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:22,754 "He's trying to tell me something." 651 00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:25,024 She always had a cute little figure. 652 00:30:25,124 --> 00:30:26,325 There... I mean... 653 00:30:26,758 --> 00:30:29,128 her breasts were fine. They were... 654 00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:31,397 She's small. 655 00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:34,066 - She was sort of flat-chested. - She was flat-chested. 656 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:37,603 We told her she had two fried eggs for breasts. 657 00:30:37,703 --> 00:30:39,939 And so she embarked on this course 658 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,041 which was, at the time, quite experimental. 659 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,243 It was quite a thing when she first did it 660 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,012 'cause we never heard about this, 661 00:30:46,112 --> 00:30:48,580 you know, augmenting... you know, breast augmentation. 662 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,216 Carol Doda and I were getting silicone 663 00:30:50,316 --> 00:30:52,418 at the same doctor at the same time. 664 00:30:52,518 --> 00:30:54,286 Dr. Vincent Spano. 665 00:30:54,386 --> 00:30:56,755 He was the famous silicone doctor in San Francisco. 666 00:30:57,356 --> 00:30:59,591 You've taken these silicone, uh... 667 00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:02,161 Was wondering when we were gonna get to that. 668 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,430 Uh, yes, I have. 669 00:31:05,064 --> 00:31:07,599 Did you have any fear about these shots? 670 00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:09,969 No, I didn't at that time. 671 00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:12,271 You took them from a doctor? 672 00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:13,772 Of course. 673 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:16,108 Couldn't have taken them from a veterinarian. 674 00:31:16,808 --> 00:31:18,810 It was scary when I first went in 675 00:31:18,911 --> 00:31:20,947 and he came at me with this long needle. 676 00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:22,414 I was like... 677 00:31:22,514 --> 00:31:25,617 It depends on how bad you want something. 678 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:27,053 You want something bad enough, 679 00:31:27,153 --> 00:31:28,820 you're willing to pay the price for it. 680 00:31:29,355 --> 00:31:31,323 She'd be in one room and he'd be doing her 681 00:31:31,423 --> 00:31:32,925 and then he'd come in and do me. 682 00:31:33,025 --> 00:31:35,294 We could hear each other and he'd say, "Carol, 683 00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:37,396 I cannot give you any more silicone. 684 00:31:37,496 --> 00:31:39,765 Your breasts are going to explode. 685 00:31:39,865 --> 00:31:41,300 They're little. They can't hold it." 686 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,502 "No, come on, doctor. Just one more." 687 00:31:43,602 --> 00:31:45,271 'Cause she wanted to be bigger than everybody else. 688 00:31:45,371 --> 00:31:47,006 The doctor's trying to kick us out, 689 00:31:47,106 --> 00:31:49,341 saying, "Look, you two girls, you're big enough. 690 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:51,243 You don't need any more silicone." 691 00:31:52,044 --> 00:31:55,114 I made the comment to Davey and Gino. 692 00:31:55,214 --> 00:31:57,649 They knew what was going on. I didn't. 693 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,418 And I says, "She's gettin' bigger," 694 00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:02,154 and they all say, "Oh, you're just imagining things." 695 00:32:02,721 --> 00:32:05,257 Week after week, they were getting bigger and bigger. 696 00:32:05,357 --> 00:32:07,293 And there was a point when they were just right, 697 00:32:08,027 --> 00:32:08,995 and then... 698 00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:11,397 eventually, they got huge. 699 00:32:12,464 --> 00:32:14,800 If I was going to do this, 700 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:16,502 I was gonna do it in a big way. 701 00:32:17,203 --> 00:32:22,808 She got 44 injections of silicone into her breasts, 702 00:32:22,908 --> 00:32:26,012 bumping her up from a B cup 703 00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:27,646 to a 44DD. 704 00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:37,990 I went up to the dressing room 705 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:41,793 and she was all black and blue from the shots. 706 00:32:41,893 --> 00:32:44,330 So she puts pancake makeup on. 707 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:47,866 And I asked her, I says, "Carol, what are you doing? 708 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:50,169 Do you know where that's going in your body?" 709 00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:53,105 She says, "Pete, it's my body. Mind your own business." 710 00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:55,641 I says, "Okay," and I left. 711 00:32:56,342 --> 00:33:00,479 I'm sure she thought it was safe and it was an opportunity 712 00:33:01,447 --> 00:33:03,715 to be something special. 713 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:06,252 But she was special just being herself. 714 00:33:06,952 --> 00:33:08,687 I didn't want her to do it at all. 715 00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:11,857 I said, "Carol, you can't be doing this. It's your health." 716 00:33:11,957 --> 00:33:13,092 She kind of didn't care. 717 00:33:13,192 --> 00:33:15,161 She was more interested in entertaining. 718 00:33:15,261 --> 00:33:18,330 And of course, Rosenberg was pushing her to do this. 719 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:20,066 She had nobody else. She had nobody. 720 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,234 She just had the public to entertain. 721 00:33:22,768 --> 00:33:24,536 She was that lonely of a person. 722 00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:28,107 Your family say anything? Were they worried? 723 00:33:28,207 --> 00:33:29,875 No. You see, I, um... 724 00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:32,911 I've been on my own for quite a while 725 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,181 and, uh, my family never has a say-so 726 00:33:35,281 --> 00:33:36,915 in matters pertaining to me. 727 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,217 A self-made woman. 728 00:33:38,317 --> 00:33:40,586 Yes, you could say that. Really. 729 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,888 That's exactly how it is. 730 00:33:42,988 --> 00:33:46,558 She wasn't open about her past at all. 731 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:49,961 She never talked about her family. 732 00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:53,132 I never saw her family ever come into the club. 733 00:33:53,232 --> 00:33:57,303 I worked 19 years on the street, but most of it at the Condor. 734 00:33:57,403 --> 00:33:59,071 Where you from, Carol? 735 00:33:59,171 --> 00:34:02,074 I'm from around here, Northern California. 736 00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:04,943 As W.C. Fields once said about Mae West, 737 00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:07,045 "I can see what's good. Tell me the rest." 738 00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:12,784 Well, I don't know what Mae West answered, but, uh... 739 00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:15,254 there's not too much to tell in that department. 740 00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:16,622 All right. 741 00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:18,757 She did have a rough childhood. 742 00:34:18,857 --> 00:34:21,793 Mother and father, they split up when she was just a child, 743 00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:23,462 about three or four years old. 744 00:34:23,562 --> 00:34:26,632 I'm not too sure who raised her after. I guess her mother. 745 00:34:26,732 --> 00:34:28,267 I was in a Catholic school. 746 00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:30,102 I was too young to be there but they accepted me 747 00:34:30,202 --> 00:34:34,005 because of the broken, you know, marriage and everything. 748 00:34:34,573 --> 00:34:36,007 So I was about four years old 749 00:34:36,108 --> 00:34:39,478 and I lived at this Catholic school. 750 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:40,946 I know she didn't feel 751 00:34:41,046 --> 00:34:43,349 she had a good relationship with her mom. 752 00:34:43,782 --> 00:34:46,152 Her mom was an alcoholic. 753 00:34:46,252 --> 00:34:48,086 Her mother was tough on her. 754 00:34:48,187 --> 00:34:49,188 Really tough. 755 00:34:50,055 --> 00:34:51,557 She said beat her up and... 756 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,527 that's why she left home at an early age. 757 00:34:55,627 --> 00:34:57,829 She was very straightlaced. 758 00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:00,832 At that time, she didn't drink, she didn't do drugs. 759 00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:02,868 She was very guarded. 760 00:35:02,968 --> 00:35:05,804 It was hard to get to know her. 761 00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:07,139 She wasn't real friendly 762 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,774 with many of the girls on the street. 763 00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:11,042 But she and I kind of identified with each other. 764 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:14,480 She'd do my hair, my makeup. She was very talented. 765 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:18,016 And she and I were like the only two there all the time. 766 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,485 When she was on stage 767 00:35:19,585 --> 00:35:21,853 and she was being filmed and doing publicity, 768 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:23,555 she was happy. 769 00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:26,325 The rest of the time, she was a loner and very sad. 770 00:35:27,092 --> 00:35:29,995 You see Herb Caen's item on you in Ramparts? 771 00:35:30,095 --> 00:35:31,797 - Somebody gave it to me. - I heard about it. 772 00:35:31,897 --> 00:35:33,532 Told me about it at the garage that I park. 773 00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:35,133 Have any comment on it? 774 00:35:35,234 --> 00:35:37,002 No, he makes good copy. 775 00:35:37,102 --> 00:35:39,037 - He makes good copy... - That's all. 776 00:35:39,137 --> 00:35:41,307 ...and tasteless jokes, I would say. 777 00:35:41,407 --> 00:35:44,075 Herb Caen was a very famous journalist 778 00:35:44,176 --> 00:35:45,344 in San Francisco. 779 00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:46,645 If you got in Herb Caen's column, 780 00:35:46,745 --> 00:35:47,846 you really did something. 781 00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:49,248 Everybody wanted to be in his column. 782 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,022 Dave Rosenberg, he had a lot of juice. 783 00:35:57,122 --> 00:36:00,226 He could get you in newspapers, columns. 784 00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:01,960 Davey and Herb were really tight. 785 00:36:02,528 --> 00:36:04,963 He always got something in Herb Caen's column. 786 00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:09,100 Whenever Herb Caen needed pot, he used get a hold of Davey 787 00:36:09,201 --> 00:36:10,436 and Davey'd get a hold of me 788 00:36:10,536 --> 00:36:13,004 and we'd get him a little pot. 789 00:36:13,104 --> 00:36:15,006 Can I read a line or two of it? 790 00:36:15,106 --> 00:36:16,508 If you wish. - [Feinstein] All right. 791 00:36:16,608 --> 00:36:19,911 "When Carol Doda first began taking silicone... 792 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:22,881 I reported the migratory tendencies of the stuff, 793 00:36:23,315 --> 00:36:25,251 concluding with this dolorous observation 794 00:36:25,351 --> 00:36:26,818 by a respected medic: 795 00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,587 'Miss Doda may yet wind up 796 00:36:28,687 --> 00:36:31,523 with the two largest kneecaps in the world.'" 797 00:36:31,623 --> 00:36:34,893 Well, I could, uh, readily believe that statement 798 00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:37,929 if I was not, uh, up to date on it. 799 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:40,366 All these doctors have all these different theories. 800 00:36:40,466 --> 00:36:42,468 You see, it's a very controversial subject. 801 00:36:42,568 --> 00:36:44,803 Mm-hm. You don't mind? You're a good sport? 802 00:36:44,903 --> 00:36:47,038 I think they have to make their column interesting 803 00:36:47,138 --> 00:36:48,774 so if they need me to make it interesting, 804 00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:50,175 I must be pretty important. 805 00:36:50,642 --> 00:36:52,944 She's fabulous. She's complicated. 806 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:55,647 We didn't need another Betty Friedan 807 00:36:55,747 --> 00:36:58,417 to tell us about "the problem without a name." 808 00:36:58,517 --> 00:37:00,719 Carol Doda shot up her breasts 809 00:37:00,819 --> 00:37:03,755 and she showed us that there was a problem without a name. 810 00:37:03,855 --> 00:37:07,125 The problem was ridiculous double standards about women 811 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:08,727 and objectification. 812 00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:11,096 You could say, "Oh, look at her, 813 00:37:11,196 --> 00:37:13,532 submitting to the male gaze, 814 00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:17,403 being a Barbie doll on steroids." Yeah, no kidding. 815 00:37:17,503 --> 00:37:20,572 It was almost like Carol Doda was saying, 816 00:37:20,672 --> 00:37:23,074 "My body is the art 817 00:37:23,174 --> 00:37:25,577 and the performance is going to go on." 818 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:29,348 * Come on All you surfers, grab a girl ♪ 819 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:31,283 "And if my route to success 820 00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:34,620 is the male gaze and objectification, 821 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,187 I'm gonna fuck it up. 822 00:37:36,288 --> 00:37:37,656 I'm gonna go all the way." 823 00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:38,857 ♪ Come on, baby ♪ 824 00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:40,359 ♪ Woo-woo ♪ 825 00:37:40,459 --> 00:37:42,528 - ♪ Come on, baby ♪ - ♪ Woo-woo ♪ 826 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:47,265 The key thing is that women are the object of male gazes 827 00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:50,969 and the male gaze is dominant and it is a form of power. 828 00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:55,607 So women grow up learning to perceive themselves 829 00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:57,309 through the male gaze 830 00:37:57,409 --> 00:38:00,446 and men don't. 831 00:38:00,546 --> 00:38:02,013 People would say, 832 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,049 "Oh, that's such a demeaning thing you're doing." 833 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,353 Well... 834 00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:08,854 "If I'm not doing it, somebody else, 835 00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:10,889 and look at all the money I'm making. 836 00:38:10,989 --> 00:38:12,558 What's the big deal?" 837 00:38:12,658 --> 00:38:15,394 It was great. Here I am, a woman. "Give me your money." 838 00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:18,564 On the one hand, Carol Doda took the male gaze 839 00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:20,666 and twisted it to her own benefit, 840 00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:22,868 and she did well by that. 841 00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:24,803 But I think what she couldn't have anticipated 842 00:38:24,903 --> 00:38:28,173 is the legacy that she would leave on women to come 843 00:38:28,273 --> 00:38:32,344 who then felt that they needed to live up to this male gaze 844 00:38:32,444 --> 00:38:35,747 which had been sort of enhanced and exaggerated 845 00:38:35,847 --> 00:38:38,350 by the presence of these large breasts. 846 00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:41,353 It's a very particular lens through which to see beauty 847 00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,422 and through which to see sexuality 848 00:38:43,522 --> 00:38:45,524 that's ultimately been very limiting 849 00:38:45,624 --> 00:38:49,327 and has led to some serious body dysmorphia, 850 00:38:49,428 --> 00:38:51,463 uh, in women to follow. 851 00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:54,500 There's no question in my mind that 852 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,868 the unequal division between 853 00:38:56,968 --> 00:39:00,071 the female dancer and the male viewer 854 00:39:00,606 --> 00:39:02,908 and the transaction of the money involved... 855 00:39:03,008 --> 00:39:08,113 Topless clubs are a reflection of a patriarchal society. 856 00:39:08,213 --> 00:39:10,449 But that doesn't mean there aren't individual women 857 00:39:10,549 --> 00:39:14,386 who may very well find a very strong sense of empowerment 858 00:39:14,486 --> 00:39:17,055 for themselves in those environments. 859 00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:28,400 My fantasy was to be a stripper. 860 00:39:29,668 --> 00:39:31,202 It's just kind of exciting 861 00:39:31,302 --> 00:39:32,904 and here, you got all the lights 862 00:39:33,004 --> 00:39:35,974 and people are watching you like you're really important. 863 00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:37,809 And just kind of a good feeling. 864 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:41,112 I don't know if every girl has that fantasy. 865 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:42,681 Maybe not. But I did. 866 00:39:43,248 --> 00:39:45,250 I've always been a free spirit, I think. 867 00:39:46,317 --> 00:39:48,119 So I moved into San Francisco 868 00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:51,757 in a hotel above the Trieste coffee shop there. 869 00:39:56,595 --> 00:39:58,163 I was just calling up every place 870 00:39:58,263 --> 00:40:01,099 and eventually somebody would need a stripper. 871 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:02,568 'Cause if I would have auditioned, 872 00:40:02,668 --> 00:40:04,069 they would have never hired me. 873 00:40:04,169 --> 00:40:07,473 I had legs, but I'm kind of flat-chested. 874 00:40:08,106 --> 00:40:09,908 But I still wanted to do it. 875 00:40:10,542 --> 00:40:12,177 I would wait until they were desperate, 876 00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:14,079 when they really needed somebody. 877 00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:15,747 And before they saw me, right? 878 00:40:15,847 --> 00:40:17,082 They were desperate. 879 00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:19,651 And then I would do one set at one place 880 00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,219 and then they'd get rid of me. 881 00:40:21,853 --> 00:40:24,656 So I'd call up another place, like the Condor, 882 00:40:24,756 --> 00:40:26,324 and I'd go, "Need a stripper? 883 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:30,462 My name's Sharon. I danced at the El Cid last night." 884 00:40:30,562 --> 00:40:31,930 If I said I was Mary Ann, they'd go, 885 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:33,298 "Oh, no. Don't want you." 886 00:40:33,398 --> 00:40:35,433 I was Sharon one night, Judy the next. 887 00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:37,703 I think I danced at every club. 888 00:40:37,803 --> 00:40:39,805 But just once. 889 00:40:41,473 --> 00:40:43,108 You know, they were selling boobs. 890 00:40:43,742 --> 00:40:46,545 And here they have this girl up there with no boobs. 891 00:40:46,645 --> 00:40:49,047 Boo. They didn't want to see that. 892 00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:51,550 The word "exploitation" 893 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:54,185 is really important to look at and pick apart. 894 00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:56,054 It's usually used in two ways. 895 00:40:56,154 --> 00:40:58,389 One, feminists who believe 896 00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:01,026 that it's not possible for a woman to be a sex worker 897 00:41:01,126 --> 00:41:02,628 or an adult performer 898 00:41:02,728 --> 00:41:07,733 without being inherently, fundamentally exploited 899 00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:09,968 by the patriarchy, by the male gaze. 900 00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:12,170 Then there's a counter argument to that which is, 901 00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:16,207 these women are leveraging it and making money. 902 00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:19,077 Exploit... Of course we were all exploited. 903 00:41:19,177 --> 00:41:23,048 We were in our little leotards and serving cocktails 904 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:25,183 and Carol's up there being topless. 905 00:41:25,283 --> 00:41:28,353 I mean, in a way, you could call it exploitation. 906 00:41:28,453 --> 00:41:31,489 But... that's how we look at it now. 907 00:41:32,257 --> 00:41:34,893 I think in those days it was just a job. 908 00:41:35,694 --> 00:41:37,328 I don't think she felt exploited. 909 00:41:37,428 --> 00:41:39,230 I think she loved what she did. 910 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,732 She wanted to be a dancer, 911 00:41:40,832 --> 00:41:42,934 she wanted to be on stage, and she was. 912 00:41:43,569 --> 00:41:46,905 How do you feel now being a sex symbol? 913 00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:49,174 You didn't feel that you were prostituting yourself 914 00:41:49,274 --> 00:41:51,677 by going topless? 915 00:41:51,777 --> 00:41:54,946 No, because you could prostitute yourself with your brain, 916 00:41:55,046 --> 00:41:56,848 with anything, any part of your body. 917 00:41:56,948 --> 00:41:59,250 Uh, your breasts are just another part. 918 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:04,222 I really wanna know what you think of the Broadway scene 919 00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:06,124 and sex today. 920 00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:07,893 Do you think this is a good step forward? 921 00:42:07,993 --> 00:42:09,961 Has this sort of cleaned up 922 00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:12,598 a lot of the puritanical hang-ups that we had? 923 00:42:12,698 --> 00:42:13,765 Do you see it as healthy? 924 00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:16,067 So many people in America today 925 00:42:16,735 --> 00:42:18,536 do not have 926 00:42:18,637 --> 00:42:22,240 the, uh, imagination for sex. 927 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:25,476 To have sex, you have to have something in your mind first. 928 00:42:25,577 --> 00:42:27,378 You have to have something in your imagination. 929 00:42:27,478 --> 00:42:29,981 I give them a fantasy, which people need. 930 00:42:30,081 --> 00:42:32,751 The lovely Carol Doda on stage here tonight! 931 00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:41,727 Carol was a seductive stripper. 932 00:42:41,827 --> 00:42:42,894 Like a star. 933 00:42:43,862 --> 00:42:45,230 You know? Had an attitude. 934 00:42:45,997 --> 00:42:47,866 You don't wanna go up there and be meek. 935 00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:50,068 Gotta show 'em what you got. 936 00:42:51,703 --> 00:42:53,004 She was funny. 937 00:42:53,104 --> 00:42:55,774 She had a very comedic sense of humor. 938 00:42:55,874 --> 00:42:58,677 She was really good at getting to audiences. 939 00:42:58,777 --> 00:43:00,111 ♪ She don't know nothin' ♪ 940 00:43:00,211 --> 00:43:01,680 ♪ Thinks there's nothin' she don't know ♪ 941 00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:03,014 ♪ She thinks she's where it's at ♪ 942 00:43:03,114 --> 00:43:05,116 ♪ In that one spot she never left ♪ 943 00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:06,584 ♪ She spends all of her time ♪ 944 00:43:06,685 --> 00:43:08,586 ♪ Tryin' to prove it to herself now ♪ 945 00:43:10,455 --> 00:43:12,257 ♪ Well ♪ 946 00:43:12,357 --> 00:43:17,428 ♪ I don't want no woman wrapped up in cellophane... ♪ 947 00:43:17,528 --> 00:43:19,130 Wasn't just a performance. 948 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:20,699 It was an interaction with the crowd. 949 00:43:20,799 --> 00:43:22,533 It's an escape for a little while. 950 00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:24,335 'Cause everybody has problems. 951 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:25,871 If I can alleviate them of their problems 952 00:43:25,971 --> 00:43:27,438 for a few moments, 953 00:43:27,538 --> 00:43:28,774 that's the greatest gift in the world 954 00:43:28,874 --> 00:43:30,709 that I can give to somebody. 955 00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:36,214 She reminded me of Mae West. 956 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:41,853 Well, it's better to be looked over than overlooked. 957 00:43:46,224 --> 00:43:48,059 Oh, just that they measure up right. 958 00:43:53,098 --> 00:43:55,801 What would be the proper measurements for a topless girl? 959 00:43:55,901 --> 00:43:57,135 Well, I don't know. 960 00:43:57,235 --> 00:43:58,804 I mean, myself, I never know my own. 961 00:43:58,904 --> 00:44:01,572 I expand with... the weather. 962 00:44:01,673 --> 00:44:04,309 I understand you were just honored nationally. 963 00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:07,813 Yeah, hidden assets. Business Person of the Year. 964 00:44:07,913 --> 00:44:09,480 But I think they made a mistake. 965 00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:12,050 It should have been Business Persons of the Year. 966 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:13,752 I didn't get the award. 967 00:44:13,852 --> 00:44:15,186 But they did. You know? 968 00:44:15,286 --> 00:44:17,155 - So I just went along with them 969 00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:19,624 to Boston to accept this award. 970 00:44:20,158 --> 00:44:25,330 Carol, what makes you go? Is it-- You know, 971 00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:28,366 they say that money or power or prestige are the three big-- 972 00:44:28,466 --> 00:44:29,935 Oh, I know that. 973 00:44:30,035 --> 00:44:32,337 - I... No, it's, uh, insecurity. - What is it for you? 974 00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:36,407 - Is it really? - Vitamins and insecurity. 975 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:37,976 But... 976 00:44:38,944 --> 00:44:40,011 That's marvelous. 977 00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:44,615 Carol, where do you see yourself in 20, 30 years? 978 00:44:44,716 --> 00:44:46,184 - For what? - The whole life of-- 979 00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:48,720 I see myself as an entertainer 980 00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:50,889 in many different fields of entertainment. 981 00:44:50,989 --> 00:44:52,523 I feel I would be stagnant 982 00:44:52,623 --> 00:44:54,860 if I was just one thing all the time. 983 00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:04,635 One day, I decided to go to the Garden of Eden 984 00:45:04,736 --> 00:45:07,238 and there was a sign, "Batman." 985 00:45:07,338 --> 00:45:09,474 And I was like, "Oh, wow, this is gonna be cool." 986 00:45:09,574 --> 00:45:10,776 That's when I met Jimi. 987 00:45:10,876 --> 00:45:13,611 Jimi and Tara were the main act. 988 00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:16,481 Went home one night and I was watching television 989 00:45:16,581 --> 00:45:20,618 and I saw this woman doing a voodoo dance with snakes. 990 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:22,120 I said, "I can do that." 991 00:45:22,587 --> 00:45:24,289 I was terrified of snakes. 992 00:45:24,389 --> 00:45:27,125 She go into the pet store and want a boa constrictor. 993 00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:30,295 I just kept getting bigger and bigger 994 00:45:30,395 --> 00:45:34,165 and I ended up with a seven-foot anaconda 995 00:45:34,265 --> 00:45:36,267 which was as big around as my leg. 996 00:45:36,367 --> 00:45:38,669 One morning, I'm getting up and all of a sudden, 997 00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:40,271 "Jimi, Jimi! Come and help me!" 998 00:45:40,371 --> 00:45:42,073 She's got this thing started around her 999 00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:44,242 and got this snake by the neck 1000 00:45:44,342 --> 00:45:47,445 and it's got its mouth open... 1001 00:45:47,545 --> 00:45:49,147 This woman was brave. 1002 00:45:49,781 --> 00:45:53,651 I had 120 pounds of snakes on me at one time. 1003 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,653 Then I decided I needed a monkey. 1004 00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:57,555 Oh, please. 1005 00:45:57,856 --> 00:46:00,025 My monkey's name was Miss Troubles 1006 00:46:00,125 --> 00:46:01,993 and she'd have a little costume on. 1007 00:46:02,093 --> 00:46:04,029 If I had a sequined outfit, she'd have one. 1008 00:46:04,129 --> 00:46:05,897 She would just sit on my arm 1009 00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:08,299 and play with my boob, and people loved her. 1010 00:46:10,301 --> 00:46:12,703 And put a diaper on it to keep it from messing. 1011 00:46:12,804 --> 00:46:14,439 But that was her baby. 1012 00:46:14,539 --> 00:46:17,275 We billed her as the world's only topless monkey. 1013 00:46:17,909 --> 00:46:21,479 And then I decided I wanted to do a fire act. 1014 00:46:21,579 --> 00:46:24,182 She saw a guy in the streets doing the fire. 1015 00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:25,683 She said, "Teach me how to do that." 1016 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:28,019 She'd shoot out fire from her mouth. 1017 00:46:28,753 --> 00:46:30,221 Said, "Girl, what's up with you?" 1018 00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:33,892 "Are you from heaven or hell? What is this?" 1019 00:46:33,992 --> 00:46:35,927 Fire, snake, a monkey. 1020 00:46:36,461 --> 00:46:38,729 But she drew crowds by the thousands. 1021 00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:40,498 They came in, night after night. 1022 00:46:40,598 --> 00:46:43,634 ♪ Wah, wah-a-watusi ♪ 1023 00:46:46,304 --> 00:46:48,907 ♪ Come on and take a chance ♪ 1024 00:46:49,007 --> 00:46:51,076 ♪ And get-a with this dance... ♪ 1025 00:46:51,676 --> 00:46:53,678 North Beach put millions of dollars 1026 00:46:53,778 --> 00:46:55,713 in the coffers of the city. 1027 00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:58,349 If you have a sales convention, I'll guarantee you sales guys, 1028 00:46:58,449 --> 00:47:01,052 they wanna go to San Francisco. "We wanna see this topless." 1029 00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:05,323 And synonymous with the word "topless" was Carol. 1030 00:47:05,423 --> 00:47:07,558 You've made a pretty good name for this place in North Beach. 1031 00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:09,760 You ever plan on touring with your act or anything? 1032 00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:12,063 Oh, I plan on... 1033 00:47:12,163 --> 00:47:13,731 spreading myself out. 1034 00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,168 Been receiving a lot of mail from Vietnam. 1035 00:47:17,268 --> 00:47:19,170 - That's right. - How'd they get your picture? 1036 00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:21,940 Well, uh, somehow, my picture 1037 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,741 got into Stars and Stripes . 1038 00:47:23,841 --> 00:47:25,510 You answer all of them? 1039 00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:27,312 Oh yes, I have writer's cramp. 1040 00:47:28,479 --> 00:47:29,747 I talked with her 1041 00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:31,216 about some of her 16,000 letters 1042 00:47:31,316 --> 00:47:32,450 from overseas. 1043 00:47:33,484 --> 00:47:35,286 This one says, "Dear Miss Doda. 1044 00:47:35,386 --> 00:47:38,023 Let me just say that I enjoyed your act so much. 1045 00:47:38,123 --> 00:47:40,391 I would like to remember you when I'm overseas. 1046 00:47:40,491 --> 00:47:43,394 Would you be so kind as to send me a picture of yourself? 1047 00:47:43,494 --> 00:47:46,397 It would help me so much. Thank you. Love, Mike." 1048 00:47:46,497 --> 00:47:50,535 Does any of this mail contain proposals, of marriage that is? 1049 00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:53,771 Uh, no. I'm not the type they want to marry. 1050 00:47:55,006 --> 00:47:57,909 I'm just the type they want to look at. 1051 00:47:58,009 --> 00:47:59,744 They say every war generates 1052 00:47:59,844 --> 00:48:02,247 the kind of pinup girl it deserves. 1053 00:48:02,347 --> 00:48:05,483 I mention this meaning no disrespect to Miss Doda 1054 00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:08,286 or to the war in Vietnam. 1055 00:48:08,386 --> 00:48:11,923 She had national and international renown. 1056 00:48:20,898 --> 00:48:22,733 She blew San Francisco wide open. 1057 00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:24,002 Internationally. 1058 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:26,104 People from around the world would come 1059 00:48:26,204 --> 00:48:27,572 to see Carol Doda. 1060 00:48:28,006 --> 00:48:29,774 Carol was the star. 1061 00:48:29,874 --> 00:48:31,943 Busloads of people drove up. 1062 00:48:32,043 --> 00:48:33,344 It was huge. 1063 00:48:33,444 --> 00:48:35,947 The cars, people going up and down the street. 1064 00:48:36,047 --> 00:48:37,782 That was the place to go. 1065 00:48:37,882 --> 00:48:41,752 And you see the lights and you're like, "Yes, Broadway!" 1066 00:48:43,621 --> 00:48:45,690 When we first started on Broadway, 1067 00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:47,592 you had the cream of the crop: 1068 00:48:47,692 --> 00:48:51,296 movie stars, politicians, professional athletes. 1069 00:48:51,396 --> 00:48:55,466 Lew Alcindor came in and I come with my tray and I see this. 1070 00:48:55,566 --> 00:48:56,834 I'm like... 1071 00:49:01,206 --> 00:49:04,109 He came in with his mom to the Condor. 1072 00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:07,445 Oh, he was so famous all over the world. 1073 00:49:07,545 --> 00:49:09,514 The piano brought him in. 1074 00:49:16,187 --> 00:49:18,056 There was this one little table 1075 00:49:18,156 --> 00:49:19,957 that was sort of roped off. 1076 00:49:20,058 --> 00:49:21,859 Sat about eight people. 1077 00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:24,729 He'd always call, "Pete, could I have that table?" 1078 00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:26,331 I'd say, "You got it, Walter." 1079 00:49:26,431 --> 00:49:30,568 And that's the way it is, Monday, September 2, 1963. 1080 00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:32,403 When Andy Warhol was in town, 1081 00:49:32,503 --> 00:49:36,741 he would always ask Carol to be part of his entourage. 1082 00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:39,077 I was very impressed by that. 1083 00:49:39,177 --> 00:49:42,147 I'm like, "Oh, you get to go out with Andy Warhol." 1084 00:49:42,847 --> 00:49:46,817 And she was like, "Oh, Pamela, you wouldn't like him." 1085 00:49:46,917 --> 00:49:48,686 I said, "What do you mean?" 1086 00:49:49,254 --> 00:49:50,521 "Because he never talks." 1087 00:49:50,621 --> 00:49:52,257 Aren't you gonna say one word, Andy? 1088 00:49:53,691 --> 00:49:55,560 " He just wants to record us. 1089 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:57,628 So you wouldn't like him, Pamela, 1090 00:49:57,728 --> 00:49:59,730 because he's very boring." 1091 00:50:00,598 --> 00:50:03,601 Carol told me the almost unknown fling 1092 00:50:03,701 --> 00:50:05,203 that she had for a while 1093 00:50:05,303 --> 00:50:07,505 with Frank Sinatra. 1094 00:50:07,605 --> 00:50:09,707 He would send his private plane 1095 00:50:09,807 --> 00:50:11,709 down to pick her up in San Francisco 1096 00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:14,079 from Cal Neva casino and resort 1097 00:50:14,179 --> 00:50:16,047 where he was one of the owners. 1098 00:50:16,147 --> 00:50:17,315 She'd be walked through 1099 00:50:17,448 --> 00:50:19,350 to what's called the Celebrity Room 1100 00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:21,352 when there was no one in the main bar. 1101 00:50:21,452 --> 00:50:25,756 Basically, it was your typical trap door with a rug over it. 1102 00:50:25,856 --> 00:50:28,593 A handler would lead her down into tunnels 1103 00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:30,361 that went in different directions. 1104 00:50:30,461 --> 00:50:33,231 It was set up so that gangsters 1105 00:50:33,331 --> 00:50:35,032 that were not allowed to be around gambling 1106 00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:36,234 could get in and out. 1107 00:50:36,334 --> 00:50:37,602 And so Frank used it 1108 00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:39,837 to bring his girls in and out of there. 1109 00:50:40,405 --> 00:50:43,241 She would be taken to Frank's personal chalet 1110 00:50:43,341 --> 00:50:44,742 down by the lake. 1111 00:50:44,842 --> 00:50:47,545 She really had an affinity for Frank. 1112 00:50:47,645 --> 00:50:51,216 She thought he was one of the greatest men she'd ever met. 1113 00:50:51,316 --> 00:50:53,251 She really dug Frank Sinatra. 1114 00:50:53,351 --> 00:50:55,186 He was like an idol to her. 1115 00:50:55,286 --> 00:50:59,056 ♪ 'Cause you make me feel so young... ♪ 1116 00:50:59,157 --> 00:51:00,791 One thing that she got a kick out of 1117 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:03,261 was that Frank pictured himself 1118 00:51:03,361 --> 00:51:06,497 as being a really, really macho man's man. 1119 00:51:06,597 --> 00:51:10,601 And he had this bald spot which nobody knows about 1120 00:51:10,701 --> 00:51:12,637 because he always covered it up. 1121 00:51:12,737 --> 00:51:16,407 He would actually have her come in before he did a show 1122 00:51:16,507 --> 00:51:17,908 and give her some boot spray 1123 00:51:18,008 --> 00:51:20,010 to spray paint the bald spot on his head 1124 00:51:20,111 --> 00:51:22,012 before he headed out onto stage. 1125 00:51:22,113 --> 00:51:24,849 When she told that story, she just chuckled like crazy. 1126 00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:34,492 At the western end of the continent, 1127 00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,727 rising majestically above the Pacific, 1128 00:51:37,295 --> 00:51:39,330 is a city constantly alive, 1129 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:40,698 full of anticipation, 1130 00:51:40,798 --> 00:51:43,968 exciting and beautiful: San Francisco. 1131 00:51:44,769 --> 00:51:47,638 Where no matter who you are or where you come from 1132 00:51:47,738 --> 00:51:49,474 or what you like to do, 1133 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:53,644 something exciting and wonderful and different 1134 00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:56,281 happens to you in San Francisco. 1135 00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:04,355 Have you seen any of these shows? 1136 00:52:04,455 --> 00:52:07,192 - Yeah. They're really funny. - Did you like it? 1137 00:52:07,292 --> 00:52:08,893 They were funny. 1138 00:52:08,993 --> 00:52:10,995 The funniest part was watching people. 1139 00:52:11,095 --> 00:52:12,230 The women turn away. 1140 00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:13,898 They talk about recipes and things 1141 00:52:13,998 --> 00:52:15,666 while their husbands are looking up. 1142 00:52:15,766 --> 00:52:17,335 Did you know that we have shows here 1143 00:52:17,435 --> 00:52:19,870 where people make love live on the stage? 1144 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:22,540 - Uh, no, I didn't. - Have you been to any of these? 1145 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,209 Not yet. We were just on our way 1146 00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:26,244 to walk around a couple of these places 1147 00:52:26,344 --> 00:52:28,579 - to see what it was like. - What do you expect to see? 1148 00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:30,348 Nudity. 1149 00:52:30,448 --> 00:52:33,218 It wasn't that Bay Area residents were prudes. 1150 00:52:33,318 --> 00:52:35,186 By this time, they were quite blase 1151 00:52:35,286 --> 00:52:37,555 about the topless dance clubs in North Beach. 1152 00:52:37,655 --> 00:52:39,757 But when one club offered as an attraction 1153 00:52:39,857 --> 00:52:42,993 an interracial love dance, that was too much. 1154 00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:45,396 Gay 60's was the name of the club 1155 00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:47,732 and they came to me and they asked me 1156 00:52:47,832 --> 00:52:50,000 if I would do an interracial love dance. 1157 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,536 And I said yes. 1158 00:52:51,636 --> 00:52:53,871 The interracial couple was busted. 1159 00:52:53,971 --> 00:52:55,072 Is it true you engaged 1160 00:52:55,172 --> 00:52:56,374 in a sex act during the act? 1161 00:52:56,474 --> 00:52:57,708 What do you call a sex act? 1162 00:52:58,343 --> 00:53:00,578 They arrested me. So what? I still did it. 1163 00:53:01,512 --> 00:53:03,448 I wanted to do the topless, I did the topless. 1164 00:53:04,014 --> 00:53:06,217 "You're not supposed to go with a Black man." I did. 1165 00:53:06,317 --> 00:53:07,952 You don't like it? I'm sorry. 1166 00:53:08,052 --> 00:53:09,186 It's my life. 1167 00:53:09,287 --> 00:53:11,222 I want to do it. I'm gonna do it. 1168 00:53:11,322 --> 00:53:13,558 - ♪ Come on, everybody ♪ 1169 00:53:13,658 --> 00:53:15,293 ♪ Come and get some soul ♪ 1170 00:53:15,393 --> 00:53:16,861 ♪ Do the jerk ♪ 1171 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:18,095 ♪ Do the jerk... ♪ 1172 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:19,430 My mother had a breakdown 1173 00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:21,332 when I married Jimi. Oh my God. 1174 00:53:21,799 --> 00:53:24,669 My dad, who is Mexican, disowned me. 1175 00:53:26,871 --> 00:53:28,973 And in San Francisco, when we first met, 1176 00:53:29,073 --> 00:53:30,541 we couldn't drive down the street. 1177 00:53:30,641 --> 00:53:32,109 The cop would pull us over. 1178 00:53:32,677 --> 00:53:33,944 Bam-bam. Knock on the door. 1179 00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:35,946 About three policemen at the door. 1180 00:53:36,481 --> 00:53:39,317 They saw Judy in the bed and, boy, they didn't like that. 1181 00:53:39,417 --> 00:53:42,287 I was arrested for vagrancy. 1182 00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:45,790 Vagrancy was a law that if you didn't have a job, 1183 00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:46,957 you were a vagrant. 1184 00:53:47,057 --> 00:53:48,659 And they could arrest you. 1185 00:53:48,759 --> 00:53:50,961 They took her, put her in jail. 1186 00:53:51,061 --> 00:53:52,062 It was a racist thing. 1187 00:53:52,162 --> 00:53:53,464 I stayed in a week or so. 1188 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:55,232 - It was horrible. - My heart was bleeding, 1189 00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:58,803 just thinking of her being locked up in jail for nothing. 1190 00:53:59,437 --> 00:54:02,139 The bondsman says, "Jimi, don't come into the court with her 1191 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,609 because the judge will throw the books at her for sure." 1192 00:54:04,709 --> 00:54:08,012 So she went... she went in. 1193 00:54:08,112 --> 00:54:09,647 And the judge gave her a lashing. 1194 00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:12,082 And says, "You get outta town. 1195 00:54:12,182 --> 00:54:13,784 As long as that nigger's here, 1196 00:54:13,884 --> 00:54:15,853 you don't come back into Santa Cruz." 1197 00:54:15,953 --> 00:54:18,623 Now, the judge is saying this. Publicly. 1198 00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:22,092 All of the clubs were prejudiced 1199 00:54:22,192 --> 00:54:24,028 and didn't let Black girls dance. 1200 00:54:24,962 --> 00:54:26,997 Not until the late '80s. 1201 00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:28,499 But not many. 1202 00:54:29,133 --> 00:54:32,837 * Well, I guess I'll start walking... ♪ 1203 00:54:33,871 --> 00:54:35,973 It was white and Black when I was growing up. 1204 00:54:36,541 --> 00:54:39,043 If you liked Black music and you were white, 1205 00:54:39,577 --> 00:54:42,413 then there were all kind of names they'd be calling you. 1206 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,784 George & Teddy were the first popular interracial band 1207 00:54:46,884 --> 00:54:48,218 in the area. 1208 00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:50,455 ♪ Hoppin' and poppin' all night long ♪ 1209 00:54:50,555 --> 00:54:51,856 They were great entertainers. 1210 00:54:51,956 --> 00:54:53,324 We had a great band. 1211 00:54:53,424 --> 00:54:55,192 And it could never rise above... 1212 00:54:55,793 --> 00:54:59,296 The highest gig was the old Caesar's Palace. 1213 00:54:59,397 --> 00:55:00,865 And a thousand bucks a week. 1214 00:55:00,965 --> 00:55:04,469 Man, that's like 20 grand a week now. You know? 1215 00:55:04,569 --> 00:55:07,938 I turned it down and made ten dollars a night with Sly. 1216 00:55:08,839 --> 00:55:12,242 I was the only funky white boy around in San Francisco. 1217 00:55:12,343 --> 00:55:14,011 That's why Sly hired me. 1218 00:55:14,979 --> 00:55:16,246 Sly and the Family Stone 1219 00:55:16,347 --> 00:55:18,315 was the first interracial pop group, 1220 00:55:18,416 --> 00:55:20,585 men and women and different races, 1221 00:55:21,486 --> 00:55:22,987 that made it. 1222 00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:29,159 ♪ Don't call me nigger, whitey ♪ 1223 00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:33,330 ♪ Don't call me whitey, nigger ♪ 1224 00:55:33,431 --> 00:55:34,765 Those first road tours, 1225 00:55:34,865 --> 00:55:36,567 when we was driving all over the country, 1226 00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:38,769 we got run outta towns. 1227 00:55:38,869 --> 00:55:40,405 We got chased out by police. 1228 00:55:41,105 --> 00:55:44,041 I was a white man with long hair and a beard 1229 00:55:44,141 --> 00:55:45,610 in the Black band of people 1230 00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:48,446 that dressed weird, looked weird, 1231 00:55:48,546 --> 00:55:50,781 and Sly also had a white girlfriend. 1232 00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:54,151 That's a death sentence. 1233 00:55:55,052 --> 00:55:57,254 Now if we can get you to spell "Love" one time... 1234 00:55:57,354 --> 00:56:00,758 ...who are the kind of unlikely igniters 1235 00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:02,627 of civil rights 1236 00:56:02,727 --> 00:56:04,695 and feminists and gay rights. 1237 00:56:04,795 --> 00:56:06,964 And I think Carol Doda was one of them. 1238 00:56:07,898 --> 00:56:09,967 She changed our thinkings 1239 00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:12,970 about something as personal and basic as nudity. 1240 00:56:13,504 --> 00:56:16,807 She was such a symbol of progressiveness there 1241 00:56:16,907 --> 00:56:20,478 and what it was to be a subversive San Franciscan. 1242 00:56:30,054 --> 00:56:31,656 Her work basically said, 1243 00:56:31,756 --> 00:56:35,926 "Showing my body is a form of fundamental, basic freedom." 1244 00:56:36,627 --> 00:56:39,464 It was right in the thick of the women's movement 1245 00:56:39,564 --> 00:56:41,632 and these women genuinely felt 1246 00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:43,468 that they were pioneers. 1247 00:56:43,568 --> 00:56:45,269 That, "Goddammit, this is my body 1248 00:56:45,369 --> 00:56:46,904 and if I want to show my breasts to the world, 1249 00:56:47,004 --> 00:56:49,139 I'm gonna do it." Boom. 1250 00:56:52,510 --> 00:56:55,145 In the new environment of the future, 1251 00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:57,948 people will accept their bodies. 1252 00:56:58,048 --> 00:57:00,818 Clothes will be utilitarian, 1253 00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:03,087 organic, and minimal. 1254 00:57:03,187 --> 00:57:06,824 There will be no more squeamishness about nudity. 1255 00:57:06,924 --> 00:57:10,394 The body itself will be beautiful. 1256 00:57:11,529 --> 00:57:14,699 It was easy to get jobs dancing on Broadway. 1257 00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:17,535 I mean, basically all you had to do was be young 1258 00:57:17,635 --> 00:57:19,303 and willing to take off your top. 1259 00:57:20,571 --> 00:57:24,441 I moved to San Francisco in 1967. 1260 00:57:25,209 --> 00:57:29,113 I met a couple of gals who were dancing 1261 00:57:29,213 --> 00:57:31,549 in North Beach, on Broadway Street. 1262 00:57:31,649 --> 00:57:34,652 They were young girls, my age. We were in our early twenties. 1263 00:57:34,752 --> 00:57:37,221 And they were working their way through college. 1264 00:57:37,321 --> 00:57:41,325 And one night, one of the girls called me up and said, "Marsha, 1265 00:57:41,425 --> 00:57:43,828 one of our dancers didn't show. Can you get over here?" 1266 00:57:43,928 --> 00:57:46,797 And I said, "Oh my God, are you kidding? I'm very shy!" 1267 00:57:46,897 --> 00:57:49,700 "Oh, come on," they said, "It's easy. It's no big deal. 1268 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,235 Nobody's gonna bother you. 1269 00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:53,203 It's fun because we get to dance." 1270 00:57:53,303 --> 00:57:55,673 So I did it. I can't believe I did it. 1271 00:57:57,775 --> 00:58:00,978 For me, and the little other hippie girls doing it, 1272 00:58:01,078 --> 00:58:03,648 it was a very innocent thing. 1273 00:58:04,348 --> 00:58:09,654 ♪ Follow your own beaten path... ♪ 1274 00:58:11,121 --> 00:58:12,590 Summer of Love. 1275 00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:17,127 I had my share of fun. And I tried all the drugs. 1276 00:58:17,928 --> 00:58:20,030 Everybody was having sex with everybody. 1277 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:21,666 So much fun. 1278 00:58:21,766 --> 00:58:23,934 We were all learning different techniques 1279 00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:26,571 that we never would have talked about before. 1280 00:58:26,671 --> 00:58:28,405 It was all taboo 1281 00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:29,940 until the '60s. 1282 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,842 That was a free time. 1283 00:58:31,942 --> 00:58:35,179 That was a hippie time. Free love. Dope. 1284 00:58:35,279 --> 00:58:38,382 It was all going around in a circle and we all loved it. 1285 00:58:41,151 --> 00:58:42,853 Summer of Love? 1286 00:58:42,953 --> 00:58:45,089 You can say thank you to Carol Doda, and you're welcome. 1287 00:58:45,189 --> 00:58:48,392 'Cause she helped loosen up our ideas about sexuality. 1288 00:58:48,492 --> 00:58:52,597 She was somebody that liberated other women's minds. 1289 00:58:52,697 --> 00:58:55,633 Because the first time I ever saw her, 1290 00:58:55,733 --> 00:58:57,968 there was a picture of her, 1291 00:58:58,068 --> 00:59:00,137 and I saw that as a child 1292 00:59:00,237 --> 00:59:03,373 when I was, you know, maybe 13 or something. 1293 00:59:03,473 --> 00:59:07,745 And I don't know, it just made an impression in my mind. 1294 00:59:07,845 --> 00:59:10,080 And it was like, "Wow. How free." 1295 00:59:31,669 --> 00:59:33,738 Would you consider yourself 1296 00:59:33,838 --> 00:59:35,439 a pioneer in feminism? 1297 00:59:35,539 --> 00:59:38,308 I don't know if I consider myself a pioneer. 1298 00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:39,977 You been attacked by feminists? 1299 00:59:40,077 --> 00:59:42,212 Oh yes, they did picket outside of the club 1300 00:59:42,312 --> 00:59:43,981 when I was working there. 1301 00:59:44,081 --> 00:59:47,251 I said, "I guess I was one of the original bra burners. 1302 00:59:47,351 --> 00:59:48,585 So what are we talking about?" 1303 00:59:48,686 --> 00:59:49,854 That's great. 1304 00:59:49,954 --> 00:59:52,657 Beauty pageants gotta go! 1305 00:59:52,757 --> 00:59:54,124 The women's liberation movement 1306 00:59:54,224 --> 00:59:55,492 organized several groups 1307 00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,862 to protest the Miss America pageant 1308 00:59:57,962 --> 01:00:00,297 as a symbol of society's exploitation 1309 01:00:00,397 --> 01:00:02,466 of women as sex objects. 1310 01:00:04,101 --> 01:00:07,204 In 1968, some feminists gathered 1311 01:00:07,304 --> 01:00:10,140 outside the Miss America pageant 1312 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,676 in Atlantic City 1313 01:00:11,776 --> 01:00:14,344 and constructed a Freedom Trash Can 1314 01:00:14,444 --> 01:00:16,981 into which they would throw bras. 1315 01:00:17,081 --> 01:00:20,885 * Everybody's doing a brand-new dance now ♪ 1316 01:00:20,985 --> 01:00:24,288 ♪ Come on, baby, do the Locomotion ♪ 1317 01:00:24,388 --> 01:00:28,458 ♪ I know you'll get to like it if you give it a chance now ♪ 1318 01:00:28,558 --> 01:00:31,061 That trash can was never actually put on fire. 1319 01:00:31,796 --> 01:00:33,831 The boardwalk in Atlantic City is made out of wood 1320 01:00:33,931 --> 01:00:35,866 and the fire department wouldn't let them. 1321 01:00:35,966 --> 01:00:39,069 So the bra burning's a media myth 1322 01:00:39,169 --> 01:00:42,072 but it is definitely the case that bras 1323 01:00:42,172 --> 01:00:45,275 were perceived as shackles of patriarchy. 1324 01:00:46,811 --> 01:00:50,014 It was just one of those freedoms we wanted to take. 1325 01:00:50,114 --> 01:00:51,648 It was an act of defiance. 1326 01:00:51,749 --> 01:00:54,318 We didn't have to wear a bra if we didn't want to. 1327 01:00:54,418 --> 01:00:56,787 ♪ Well, I think you've got the knack ♪ 1328 01:00:57,354 --> 01:00:59,990 ♪ Whoa-whoa, now that you can do it ♪ 1329 01:01:00,090 --> 01:01:02,059 ♪ Let's make a chain now... ♪ 1330 01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:03,928 We took birth control the same way 1331 01:01:04,028 --> 01:01:05,730 and said we're gonna have that too 1332 01:01:05,830 --> 01:01:07,431 and the right to talk about sex. 1333 01:01:07,531 --> 01:01:09,834 So we had gained it 'cause we took it. 1334 01:01:09,934 --> 01:01:12,336 We were taking that freedom. 1335 01:01:12,436 --> 01:01:15,305 - ♪ Please say something sweet ♪ 1336 01:01:19,176 --> 01:01:22,312 ♪ Please say something sweet ♪ 1337 01:01:22,947 --> 01:01:24,782 She seemed to be like a sailor. 1338 01:01:24,882 --> 01:01:26,316 She had a lot of boyfriends. 1339 01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:28,685 She did not have good luck with men. 1340 01:01:29,787 --> 01:01:33,991 She probably didn't trust any man she'd ever been with, 1341 01:01:34,091 --> 01:01:36,727 thinking that they were all there just for one thing. 1342 01:01:37,361 --> 01:01:38,863 Her fame. 1343 01:01:38,963 --> 01:01:40,630 Fame brings problems. 1344 01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:42,366 "When a man asks me out," she complains, 1345 01:01:42,466 --> 01:01:47,071 "I never know if he's interested in me... or them." 1346 01:01:47,171 --> 01:01:49,907 I think that with all the glitter and everything, 1347 01:01:50,007 --> 01:01:51,876 I think she was basically lonely. 1348 01:01:53,878 --> 01:01:56,546 I can't even find a steady boyfriend right now. 1349 01:01:57,147 --> 01:01:59,649 Because I think most men have preconceived notions 1350 01:01:59,750 --> 01:02:03,053 and they can't handle what I'm doing. 1351 01:02:03,153 --> 01:02:04,822 She used to call me up all the time 1352 01:02:04,922 --> 01:02:06,791 and want advice on men. 1353 01:02:06,891 --> 01:02:08,793 Only young guys. 1354 01:02:08,893 --> 01:02:11,195 She wanted nothing to do with anybody over 30. 1355 01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:14,799 She did rather like younger men. 1356 01:02:14,899 --> 01:02:16,801 Because I don't think she wanted anybody 1357 01:02:16,901 --> 01:02:17,935 to tell her what to do 1358 01:02:18,035 --> 01:02:19,136 or to have a man 1359 01:02:19,236 --> 01:02:21,806 controlling her life at all. 1360 01:02:21,906 --> 01:02:23,640 Very free-spirited. 1361 01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,911 I started working in... when I was underage, at 19. 1362 01:02:27,011 --> 01:02:31,015 I was checking IDs and became a doorman at my uncle's club. 1363 01:02:31,115 --> 01:02:33,918 When I got inside and was bartending, she'd come in 1364 01:02:34,018 --> 01:02:35,485 and say, "Hi, Phil. How are ya?" 1365 01:02:35,585 --> 01:02:36,821 And she just took a liking to me 1366 01:02:36,921 --> 01:02:38,823 and then we got kinda close. 1367 01:02:38,956 --> 01:02:41,525 "What are you doing tonight?" "Oh, nothing." She's asking me. 1368 01:02:41,625 --> 01:02:43,928 I looked up to her 'cause she was famous. 1369 01:02:44,028 --> 01:02:45,295 You know, I was in awe. 1370 01:02:45,395 --> 01:02:47,231 What kid gets to do this kinda thing? 1371 01:02:47,798 --> 01:02:51,435 When we started seeing each other, I was about 19 or 20. 1372 01:02:51,535 --> 01:02:54,338 One of the first things she said, "I want you to feel 'em." 1373 01:02:54,438 --> 01:02:56,340 I thought if I squeezed hard enough, 1374 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,176 I might leave a thumbprint. Felt like modeling clay. Was heavy. 1375 01:02:59,276 --> 01:03:00,978 It didn't feel natural. 1376 01:03:01,078 --> 01:03:04,114 If I touched too hard, she didn't like that. 1377 01:03:04,214 --> 01:03:05,715 Not at all, 'cause it hurt. 1378 01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:08,385 But she did it for her career and she had the career 1379 01:03:08,485 --> 01:03:10,020 and the fame from it. 1380 01:03:10,254 --> 01:03:12,322 It's time for the hottest talk show in town. 1381 01:03:12,422 --> 01:03:13,958 Single in the City, 1382 01:03:14,058 --> 01:03:16,726 starring two of San Francisco's most famous landmarks, 1383 01:03:16,827 --> 01:03:18,328 Miss Carol Doda. 1384 01:03:18,428 --> 01:03:19,796 Hi! This is Carol Doda, 1385 01:03:19,897 --> 01:03:21,398 and welcome to Single in the City. 1386 01:03:21,498 --> 01:03:23,167 I don't know. Where do you go to meet people? 1387 01:03:23,267 --> 01:03:25,735 I find it very hard for me to go sit at a bar 1388 01:03:25,836 --> 01:03:27,537 and try to meet somebody. 1389 01:03:27,637 --> 01:03:30,074 You know, I get very... embarrassed. 1390 01:03:30,174 --> 01:03:33,077 I feel like, "What the hell am I doing here by myself?" 1391 01:03:33,177 --> 01:03:35,545 "Why am I not sitting with Mr. Wonderful?" 1392 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:37,915 Then I look around, I don't see Mr. Wonderful. 1393 01:03:38,015 --> 01:03:39,816 Start thinking something's wrong with you, right? 1394 01:03:39,917 --> 01:03:41,818 Gotta love yourself. 1395 01:03:41,919 --> 01:03:44,821 It is a great city for self-development. 1396 01:03:44,922 --> 01:03:47,224 Yeah, but I'm overdeveloped as it is. 1397 01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:48,558 If I get any more developed, 1398 01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:50,594 I won't be able to stand up and walk. 1399 01:03:50,694 --> 01:03:53,730 I do remember it just being a long-standing joke 1400 01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:56,233 that she's never gonna find anybody. 1401 01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:58,502 "I'm gonna be single for the rest of my life." 1402 01:03:58,602 --> 01:04:00,670 I think a relationship with one person 1403 01:04:00,770 --> 01:04:02,606 can get better and better and better and better. 1404 01:04:02,706 --> 01:04:05,009 Because that's what I want. That's my ultimate goal. 1405 01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:07,111 - You've never been married? - No. Mm-mm. 1406 01:04:07,211 --> 01:04:08,845 Have you been engaged? 1407 01:04:08,946 --> 01:04:12,182 Have you any close, personal loves in your life? 1408 01:04:12,282 --> 01:04:13,951 Oh, well, I've had a lot of those. 1409 01:04:15,485 --> 01:04:17,287 She just wanted somebody to love. 1410 01:04:17,387 --> 01:04:19,556 That's really all she ever wanted, 1411 01:04:19,656 --> 01:04:20,925 was to be loved. 1412 01:04:21,225 --> 01:04:23,293 A lot of people wondered about Carol being married. 1413 01:04:23,393 --> 01:04:24,561 There was rumors. 1414 01:04:24,661 --> 01:04:26,196 Nobody ever said anything. 1415 01:04:26,296 --> 01:04:27,898 Carol was married young. 1416 01:04:27,998 --> 01:04:30,800 I did not know the gentleman that she married, 1417 01:04:30,901 --> 01:04:33,037 but I do know, the stories I've heard, 1418 01:04:33,137 --> 01:04:37,241 it was not a good relationship. It was abusive for her. 1419 01:04:37,341 --> 01:04:39,443 When that relationship ended, 1420 01:04:39,543 --> 01:04:42,046 she moved on to the city. 1421 01:04:42,146 --> 01:04:48,118 ♪ Washed by the waves to a sandy shore ♪ 1422 01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:52,990 ♪ Now she won't be happy ♪ 1423 01:04:53,991 --> 01:04:57,794 ♪ Anymore ♪ 1424 01:04:58,929 --> 01:05:02,066 ♪ Anymore ♪ 1425 01:05:05,936 --> 01:05:07,604 In the cult of the body beautiful, 1426 01:05:07,704 --> 01:05:09,239 California leads the way again. 1427 01:05:09,773 --> 01:05:13,643 What can top topless? Bottomless, of course. 1428 01:05:13,743 --> 01:05:15,779 In 1969, she takes it all off 1429 01:05:15,879 --> 01:05:18,015 and she's the first bottomless dancer of note. 1430 01:05:18,115 --> 01:05:20,584 She went nude. I never went all the way nude. 1431 01:05:21,285 --> 01:05:24,521 ♪ You can climb a mountain ♪ 1432 01:05:24,621 --> 01:05:27,757 ♪ You can swim the sea ♪ 1433 01:05:27,857 --> 01:05:30,094 ♪ You can jump into the fire ♪ 1434 01:05:31,128 --> 01:05:33,263 ♪ But you'll never be free... ♪ 1435 01:05:33,363 --> 01:05:35,032 Bottomless was controversial 1436 01:05:35,132 --> 01:05:38,668 because it took away some of the innocence of just topless. 1437 01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:41,005 But people wanted to see it. You had to compete. 1438 01:05:41,105 --> 01:05:42,839 They went bottomless 1439 01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:45,309 and then San Francisco said, "Can't do that." 1440 01:05:45,409 --> 01:05:48,678 "Gotta do shaved with merkins." 1441 01:05:48,778 --> 01:05:51,381 Which is, as my uncle calls it, a beaver toupee. 1442 01:05:51,481 --> 01:05:53,350 This furry little G-string thing 1443 01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:56,686 and it looked like... you know, like it was pubic hairs. 1444 01:05:59,789 --> 01:06:01,858 You may be looking at the focal point 1445 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:04,561 of one of the pressing legal questions of our age. 1446 01:06:05,762 --> 01:06:09,499 What was at issue here was a 1970 board rule 1447 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,568 prohibiting any sexual acts, 1448 01:06:11,668 --> 01:06:13,337 whether real or simulated, 1449 01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:15,639 the displaying of the genital area, 1450 01:06:15,739 --> 01:06:18,475 body contact between nude performers, 1451 01:06:18,575 --> 01:06:20,010 and nude performers 1452 01:06:20,110 --> 01:06:22,812 who were less than six feet from the audience. 1453 01:06:22,912 --> 01:06:25,249 As far as "naked," "nude," and "bottomless," 1454 01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:28,718 we are gonna fight those words both outside and inside. 1455 01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:31,721 We are not going to cover up or put G-strings 1456 01:06:31,821 --> 01:06:33,157 on our bottomless entertainers. 1457 01:06:33,257 --> 01:06:34,824 So your entertainers are dancing nude tonight 1458 01:06:34,924 --> 01:06:36,493 in violation of this ruling? 1459 01:06:36,593 --> 01:06:38,528 - Yes, we are. - What happens next? 1460 01:06:38,628 --> 01:06:40,764 And surrounded by a bevy of performers, 1461 01:06:40,864 --> 01:06:42,432 including Carol Doda, 1462 01:06:42,532 --> 01:06:44,668 Belli expressed shock and dismay. 1463 01:06:44,768 --> 01:06:47,271 Now you tell me if it's fair in America 1464 01:06:47,371 --> 01:06:48,905 that the theater can do that, 1465 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:50,907 legitimate and on the silver screen, 1466 01:06:51,007 --> 01:06:53,677 and my gals can't do that out in the North Beach. 1467 01:06:53,777 --> 01:06:55,912 I think that's the damnedest kind of discrimination 1468 01:06:56,012 --> 01:06:57,781 I've ever heard of. 1469 01:06:57,881 --> 01:07:02,552 Now I defy anyone to go up and see Hair or Curious 1470 01:07:02,652 --> 01:07:04,588 and say that there is such a thing left 1471 01:07:04,688 --> 01:07:07,023 as obscenity or pornography. 1472 01:07:07,124 --> 01:07:09,126 We're not allowed to show everything. 1473 01:07:09,226 --> 01:07:12,962 But like he said, these movies and these plays are. 1474 01:07:13,063 --> 01:07:14,531 And it's funny, after five years, 1475 01:07:14,631 --> 01:07:16,566 that they're getting this moral kick again. 1476 01:07:16,666 --> 01:07:18,068 I don't understand. 1477 01:07:18,902 --> 01:07:20,370 Look, we've got nudity here. 1478 01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:22,372 You can't all of a sudden say, "We haven't got it." 1479 01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:25,242 You know, like the mayor's office or Dianne Feinstein 1480 01:07:25,342 --> 01:07:27,744 or the supervisor. They're trying to ignore this street. 1481 01:07:27,844 --> 01:07:29,746 The Chamber of Commerce ignores us 1482 01:07:29,846 --> 01:07:32,382 with all the convention bureaus that come in here. 1483 01:07:32,482 --> 01:07:35,752 They ignore us, when it was our publicity 1484 01:07:35,852 --> 01:07:40,257 that has set San Francisco up as a major tourist town. 1485 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:45,095 I have been publicized throughout the years as nude 1486 01:07:45,195 --> 01:07:47,331 and if they can't see any of this, 1487 01:07:47,431 --> 01:07:48,932 they're gonna be very unhappy 1488 01:07:49,032 --> 01:07:51,335 and they're not gonna want to come to San Francisco. 1489 01:07:51,435 --> 01:07:52,769 The star witness, 1490 01:07:52,869 --> 01:07:54,804 eminently qualified in her field, 1491 01:07:54,904 --> 01:07:57,607 San Francisco's Carol Doda came to testify 1492 01:07:57,707 --> 01:08:00,844 in Sacramento's famous topless/bottomless trial 1493 01:08:00,944 --> 01:08:02,346 on behalf of the defense 1494 01:08:02,446 --> 01:08:05,449 to demonstrate for a ten-man, two-woman jury 1495 01:08:05,549 --> 01:08:08,452 her version of prevailing community moral standards 1496 01:08:08,552 --> 01:08:10,187 in nightclub entertainment. 1497 01:08:10,287 --> 01:08:13,123 Your show perhaps illustrates standards in San Francisco. 1498 01:08:13,223 --> 01:08:15,125 How do you think that applies to Sacramento? 1499 01:08:15,225 --> 01:08:17,161 Well, they're only 80 miles apart. 1500 01:08:17,261 --> 01:08:18,928 It couldn't be that much different. 1501 01:08:19,028 --> 01:08:21,131 Today, the Supreme Court of the United States 1502 01:08:21,231 --> 01:08:23,333 may have dealt them a mortal blow. 1503 01:08:23,433 --> 01:08:25,935 In a 6-3 decision, the court ruled 1504 01:08:26,035 --> 01:08:28,037 that under the 21st Amendment, 1505 01:08:28,138 --> 01:08:29,939 which repealed Prohibition, 1506 01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:33,177 the California Alcoholic Beverage Control Board 1507 01:08:33,277 --> 01:08:36,213 has the right to regulate the type of entertainment 1508 01:08:36,313 --> 01:08:38,448 offered by any establishment 1509 01:08:38,548 --> 01:08:40,650 which is licensed to sell drinks. 1510 01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:42,219 It would seem then 1511 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,821 that if you want to watch naked lady wrestlers, 1512 01:08:44,921 --> 01:08:47,824 seductive nude stewardesses, or college coeds, 1513 01:08:47,924 --> 01:08:50,194 or whatever your pleasure in the future, 1514 01:08:50,294 --> 01:08:51,695 then you're gonna have to do it 1515 01:08:51,795 --> 01:08:53,697 while either eating candy bars and popcorn 1516 01:08:53,797 --> 01:08:56,766 or drinking milk, orange juice, or soda pop. 1517 01:08:57,934 --> 01:08:59,303 And so, bottomless was dead. 1518 01:09:03,173 --> 01:09:07,911 The stigma attached to erotic work 1519 01:09:08,011 --> 01:09:11,381 is a problem for women's liberation 1520 01:09:11,481 --> 01:09:14,117 and equality. 1521 01:09:14,218 --> 01:09:17,153 Collective empowerment comes through 1522 01:09:17,254 --> 01:09:20,490 changes in policy, changes in laws, 1523 01:09:20,590 --> 01:09:22,892 general changes in the culture. 1524 01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:28,398 And those things are hard-won and take a long time. 1525 01:09:28,498 --> 01:09:30,500 Carol Doda was a fighter 1526 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,536 and she didn't want hypocrisy 1527 01:09:32,636 --> 01:09:34,838 about whether women were being exploited 1528 01:09:34,938 --> 01:09:37,607 in bottomless clubs, topless clubs, 1529 01:09:37,707 --> 01:09:43,046 to mask the equally deep issue of worker exploitation. 1530 01:09:45,282 --> 01:09:48,218 ♪ I hate to say it but I told you so ♪ 1531 01:09:49,118 --> 01:09:52,155 ♪ Don't mind my preaching to you ♪ 1532 01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:56,059 ♪ I said, don't trust him, baby Now you know ♪ 1533 01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,929 ♪ You don't learn everything There is to know at school... ♪ 1534 01:10:00,397 --> 01:10:04,133 She sometimes would do 12 performances a day. 1535 01:10:04,234 --> 01:10:05,802 You work here at the Condor. 1536 01:10:05,902 --> 01:10:07,804 Steady. Seven days a week. 1537 01:10:07,904 --> 01:10:09,105 For each show you... 1538 01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:10,607 Dress, undress. 1539 01:10:10,707 --> 01:10:12,909 You know, there's no diversion. 1540 01:10:13,677 --> 01:10:15,412 Her other disputes with the Condor 1541 01:10:15,512 --> 01:10:17,247 were literally about money. 1542 01:10:17,347 --> 01:10:20,049 And that was about being an actual person, not a symbol, 1543 01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:23,387 and being a woman, and the wage gap. 1544 01:10:23,487 --> 01:10:24,754 At a certain point, 1545 01:10:24,854 --> 01:10:28,592 she had a year-to-year contract 1546 01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:30,327 and she wasn't happy about it. 1547 01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:32,562 Would always naturally ask for more money 1548 01:10:32,662 --> 01:10:34,298 and we'd have to negotiate. 1549 01:10:34,398 --> 01:10:36,466 And we paid her pretty fairly well. 1550 01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:38,968 You know? But she was never happy 1551 01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:41,271 because they figured the club owners 1552 01:10:41,371 --> 01:10:42,939 were making all the money. 1553 01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:44,508 Well, we own the club, you know? 1554 01:10:44,608 --> 01:10:48,678 I think at one point she wanted to buy in to the Condor 1555 01:10:48,778 --> 01:10:50,814 when she got really successful. 1556 01:10:50,914 --> 01:10:52,516 But I don't know what happened with that. 1557 01:10:52,616 --> 01:10:54,851 Naturally, we turned her down. 1558 01:10:54,951 --> 01:10:57,454 We aren't gonna give her any percentage of the place. 1559 01:10:57,554 --> 01:10:58,922 We own the place. 1560 01:11:05,061 --> 01:11:07,130 When she had left the Condor, 1561 01:11:07,230 --> 01:11:11,901 Voss started managing her and Voss owned the Off-Broadway. 1562 01:11:12,001 --> 01:11:14,003 Him and Gino got together 1563 01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:16,205 because Gino wasn't part of the Condor anymore. 1564 01:11:16,306 --> 01:11:17,841 They opened a club down the street 1565 01:11:17,941 --> 01:11:19,843 called Carol Doda's. 1566 01:11:19,943 --> 01:11:21,811 That's what they called it so they could make 1567 01:11:21,911 --> 01:11:24,381 as much money as they could off her name and image. 1568 01:11:24,781 --> 01:11:26,350 We weren't worried 1569 01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:28,452 because we just hired other go-go girls 1570 01:11:28,552 --> 01:11:29,853 and we still made money. 1571 01:11:29,953 --> 01:11:32,255 Maybe not as much, but we still made money. 1572 01:11:33,156 --> 01:11:34,691 And today, a press preview 1573 01:11:34,791 --> 01:11:37,527 of a talented young lady named Carol Doda. 1574 01:11:37,627 --> 01:11:39,863 Her new revue seems to fly in the face 1575 01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:41,164 of the current trends 1576 01:11:41,264 --> 01:11:43,266 for pornography and skin. 1577 01:11:43,367 --> 01:11:45,802 A revue that presents lavish costumes, 1578 01:11:45,902 --> 01:11:48,237 a Las Vegas-type choreography, 1579 01:11:48,338 --> 01:11:50,374 and even political satire. 1580 01:11:50,474 --> 01:11:52,342 Carol says she thinks it'll work. 1581 01:11:52,442 --> 01:11:55,078 They're gonna go and see these little movie houses 1582 01:11:55,178 --> 01:11:58,014 but then they'll say, "Okay, we saw it. What's next?" 1583 01:11:58,114 --> 01:11:59,716 Now they're ready for entertainment. 1584 01:11:59,816 --> 01:12:01,885 Do you sort of long for those simple, 1585 01:12:01,985 --> 01:12:03,553 straightforward days? 1586 01:12:03,653 --> 01:12:06,656 You mean the topless days, going up and down on a piano? 1587 01:12:07,090 --> 01:12:09,325 Those simple, straightforward days are exactly that. 1588 01:12:09,426 --> 01:12:10,694 Simple and straightforward. 1589 01:12:10,794 --> 01:12:12,396 You cannot stay at the same... 1590 01:12:12,496 --> 01:12:14,398 On anything. I don't care what you're doing, 1591 01:12:14,498 --> 01:12:15,865 politics, religion, anything, 1592 01:12:15,965 --> 01:12:17,867 you cannot stay on the same level. 1593 01:12:17,967 --> 01:12:19,135 You always have to graduate. 1594 01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:21,605 They rigged a pretty nice little show for her, 1595 01:12:21,705 --> 01:12:22,939 but it didn't work. 1596 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,074 It was only there for less than a year. 1597 01:12:25,174 --> 01:12:26,776 It went broke. 1598 01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:29,713 She was nothing without the Condor. 1599 01:12:29,813 --> 01:12:32,015 And we knew that. She didn't know that. 1600 01:12:32,115 --> 01:12:34,083 Would you go back to the Condor? 1601 01:12:34,183 --> 01:12:35,885 They still have your name up there in lights. 1602 01:12:35,985 --> 01:12:37,286 No, I'm not planning on it. 1603 01:12:37,987 --> 01:12:39,756 The queen of topless, Carol Doda, 1604 01:12:39,856 --> 01:12:42,058 decided to put her clothes back on 1605 01:12:42,158 --> 01:12:45,261 and make her debut as a dramatic actress and singer. 1606 01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:49,866 ♪ So the Bible said ♪ 1607 01:12:49,966 --> 01:12:54,538 ♪ And it still is news ♪ 1608 01:12:54,638 --> 01:12:56,105 The critics, everybody's who's seen it, 1609 01:12:56,205 --> 01:12:58,374 know that we have an excellent show. Marvelous show. 1610 01:12:58,475 --> 01:13:00,810 It's Carol's dramatic debut 1611 01:13:00,910 --> 01:13:02,812 and she surprises everybody in it. 1612 01:13:02,912 --> 01:13:05,281 But the newspaper strikes, uh, may kill us. 1613 01:13:05,381 --> 01:13:07,584 When almost nobody came to see her show, 1614 01:13:07,684 --> 01:13:09,586 Miss Doda blamed the newspaper strike. 1615 01:13:09,686 --> 01:13:11,320 She went to Los Angeles. 1616 01:13:11,888 --> 01:13:14,658 Los Angeles had a ton of burlesque shows, 1617 01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:17,727 so strippers were all over the place. 1618 01:13:18,361 --> 01:13:20,764 And then she went to Vegas, and, oh, Vegas. 1619 01:13:23,099 --> 01:13:24,501 Vegas wasn't her thing. 1620 01:13:24,601 --> 01:13:28,137 There was too many beautiful, tall, talented, 1621 01:13:28,237 --> 01:13:29,573 gorgeous women in Vegas. 1622 01:13:29,673 --> 01:13:32,308 So she was just another girl. 1623 01:13:36,245 --> 01:13:38,782 Then she'd come back and then we'd give her her job back. 1624 01:13:40,517 --> 01:13:41,851 I love you! 1625 01:13:46,055 --> 01:13:48,091 Hi, darlin'. How ya doin', darlin'? 1626 01:13:50,193 --> 01:13:51,628 Showtime! Break it up! 1627 01:14:02,438 --> 01:14:03,807 Are you happy with it? 1628 01:14:03,907 --> 01:14:06,275 And what have been the side effects of it? 1629 01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:07,777 Oh, um... 1630 01:14:07,877 --> 01:14:09,513 Yes, I'm happy with it. 1631 01:14:09,613 --> 01:14:12,716 I mean, it would be awful to be unhappy with it at this point. 1632 01:14:12,816 --> 01:14:15,284 - What was the other question? I'm just... 1633 01:14:15,384 --> 01:14:16,786 Have you ever had any complications? 1634 01:14:16,886 --> 01:14:18,287 Oh, complications. 1635 01:14:18,387 --> 01:14:21,290 Uh, not real complications. The only thing is... 1636 01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:23,993 is that silicone does harden a little bit. 1637 01:14:24,093 --> 01:14:26,896 Women first started getting injections of silicone 1638 01:14:26,996 --> 01:14:28,131 in their breasts 1639 01:14:28,231 --> 01:14:30,634 probably right after World War II, 1640 01:14:30,734 --> 01:14:34,604 where there were big vats of industrial-grade silicone 1641 01:14:34,704 --> 01:14:38,675 hanging out on the Yokohama Harbor in Japan. 1642 01:14:38,775 --> 01:14:41,377 And Japanese prostitutes started injecting the stuff 1643 01:14:41,477 --> 01:14:42,712 into their breasts 1644 01:14:42,812 --> 01:14:45,381 as a way to attract male service members 1645 01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:47,083 from the United States. 1646 01:14:47,183 --> 01:14:49,819 They actually exported that practice 1647 01:14:49,919 --> 01:14:52,188 to other parts of the world, including the United States. 1648 01:14:52,288 --> 01:14:56,359 Well, I'll tell you. I'm from Japan and I'm half Japanese. 1649 01:14:57,126 --> 01:14:58,394 From here to here. 1650 01:14:59,295 --> 01:15:01,397 Made in Japan. 1651 01:15:01,497 --> 01:15:03,099 Does it collapse at all? 1652 01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:05,001 Nope, still there. 1653 01:15:05,101 --> 01:15:06,435 They have not collapsed 1654 01:15:06,536 --> 01:15:08,371 and you haven't had to have more injections? 1655 01:15:08,471 --> 01:15:10,039 They don't look collapsed to me. 1656 01:15:10,139 --> 01:15:11,307 No, I haven't. 1657 01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:15,444 So I didn't know silicone collapsed. 1658 01:15:15,545 --> 01:15:17,881 I thought the inflatables do. Don't they? 1659 01:15:17,981 --> 01:15:19,015 They don't? 1660 01:15:19,115 --> 01:15:20,550 Yes, they can. 1661 01:15:20,650 --> 01:15:21,951 You could see what was happening. 1662 01:15:22,051 --> 01:15:23,419 She had to keep getting the injections 1663 01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,055 just to keep looking normal, balanced. 1664 01:15:26,155 --> 01:15:28,124 You had it to do all over, would you... 1665 01:15:28,224 --> 01:15:29,693 Well, I don't see why... 1666 01:15:29,793 --> 01:15:31,895 You can't cry over spilt silicone. 1667 01:15:34,297 --> 01:15:36,332 Hm. Okay. 1668 01:15:38,568 --> 01:15:41,304 What kinds of problems have you seen? 1669 01:15:41,404 --> 01:15:44,507 We have had women with marked skin discoloration, 1670 01:15:44,608 --> 01:15:47,210 anywhere from bright red to actually black 1671 01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:49,879 with some of the oil exuding through their skin. 1672 01:15:50,313 --> 01:15:53,149 We've had... Most of the women have lumps, 1673 01:15:53,249 --> 01:15:54,951 many of which are very, very painful. 1674 01:15:55,051 --> 01:15:57,687 Their breasts become hard and rock-like. 1675 01:15:58,254 --> 01:16:01,457 And, uh, cancer detection is impossible 1676 01:16:01,557 --> 01:16:02,926 on an early basis. 1677 01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:06,630 Carol could've never made it without silicone. 1678 01:16:06,730 --> 01:16:10,133 I wouldn't have been a big act if I hadn't had silicone. 1679 01:16:10,233 --> 01:16:12,602 That was my life. That was my money. 1680 01:16:12,702 --> 01:16:14,904 I wanted it, so I was willing to take the chance. 1681 01:16:15,004 --> 01:16:16,239 I figured, "What the heck? 1682 01:16:16,339 --> 01:16:18,174 If they go bad, just cut 'em off." 1683 01:16:19,776 --> 01:16:21,678 You can live without your boobs. 1684 01:16:23,412 --> 01:16:25,915 But luckily, I didn't have any trouble with them. 1685 01:16:26,349 --> 01:16:28,551 Until I had a child 1686 01:16:29,018 --> 01:16:31,287 and I wanted to nurse my child. 1687 01:16:31,721 --> 01:16:33,422 So the milk came in 1688 01:16:34,123 --> 01:16:37,761 and we had to put a sheet around me to hold my breasts, 1689 01:16:37,861 --> 01:16:39,095 they were so huge. 1690 01:16:39,963 --> 01:16:42,531 And the milk in my breast 1691 01:16:42,632 --> 01:16:45,501 cut the circulation off 1692 01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:47,671 and my breast turned black and I got gangrene. 1693 01:16:48,304 --> 01:16:51,440 I had to have five surgeries to take it out. 1694 01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:54,110 I have no breasts. 1695 01:16:56,312 --> 01:16:58,682 To be 30 years old and used to being a sex symbol 1696 01:16:58,782 --> 01:17:00,049 and lose your breast? 1697 01:17:02,051 --> 01:17:05,121 I coulda died if I hadn't have discovered it. 1698 01:17:06,756 --> 01:17:08,858 The FDA banned the practice 1699 01:17:08,958 --> 01:17:10,860 because industrial-grade silicone 1700 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,230 was creating all sorts of health problems in women. 1701 01:17:14,764 --> 01:17:17,901 By the mid 1970s, silicone implants, 1702 01:17:18,001 --> 01:17:19,836 which was basically taking the silicone 1703 01:17:19,936 --> 01:17:23,306 and encasing it in sort of a baggy, a silicone baggy. 1704 01:17:23,406 --> 01:17:25,641 And at that point, the implant business 1705 01:17:25,742 --> 01:17:27,944 really took over from the injections. 1706 01:17:28,511 --> 01:17:31,514 A lot of women started to report health problems 1707 01:17:31,614 --> 01:17:34,083 associated with their implants. 1708 01:17:34,183 --> 01:17:35,418 And they actually joined 1709 01:17:35,518 --> 01:17:38,154 the largest class-action lawsuit ever 1710 01:17:38,254 --> 01:17:39,856 against a consumer product, 1711 01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:41,991 and that was against Dow Corning 1712 01:17:42,091 --> 01:17:44,493 and manufacturers of breast implants. 1713 01:17:45,194 --> 01:17:47,530 It became the largest class-action settlement 1714 01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:49,298 in history at that time. 1715 01:17:50,266 --> 01:17:53,136 And Dow Corning actually was driven into bankruptcy. 1716 01:17:57,140 --> 01:17:58,674 Carol was asking herself, 1717 01:17:58,775 --> 01:18:00,009 "Why am I going through this?" 1718 01:18:01,845 --> 01:18:04,881 "I need to get more for sacrificing myself for this." 1719 01:18:07,817 --> 01:18:10,286 Show business is very, very hard. 1720 01:18:10,386 --> 01:18:11,587 Not only topless, 1721 01:18:11,687 --> 01:18:13,589 but say at the level of Lena Horne. 1722 01:18:13,689 --> 01:18:16,025 She told me that you need a cast iron belly 1723 01:18:16,125 --> 01:18:17,693 and being a woman, she doesn't like... 1724 01:18:17,794 --> 01:18:20,830 You need a cast iron heart to go along with it. 1725 01:18:23,232 --> 01:18:25,902 She did mention to me several times that, 1726 01:18:26,002 --> 01:18:29,572 "Yeah, this thing... I wonder if I made the right choice." 1727 01:18:29,672 --> 01:18:32,108 They always say people in show business are crazy 1728 01:18:32,208 --> 01:18:35,178 or they're... they are freaky or they're... 1729 01:18:35,278 --> 01:18:36,645 they do everything. 1730 01:18:37,246 --> 01:18:39,615 Well, I'm pretty basic and very simple. 1731 01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:40,984 If... 1732 01:18:41,084 --> 01:18:43,386 I'm probably the only one I know that, uh... 1733 01:18:44,153 --> 01:18:47,490 is all-American girl likes all-American guy, 1734 01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:49,492 and probably the one next door. 1735 01:18:49,592 --> 01:18:50,960 How about a home and a family? 1736 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:53,329 Did you ever think of settling down someday 1737 01:18:53,429 --> 01:18:55,131 and raising children? 1738 01:18:55,231 --> 01:18:56,565 No. I, uh... 1739 01:18:56,665 --> 01:18:58,802 I really am not... a mother. 1740 01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:01,938 I know what I am. I know I'm an entertainer. 1741 01:19:02,538 --> 01:19:04,941 I think... I wouldn't bet my life on it, 1742 01:19:05,041 --> 01:19:07,576 I think that she had a kid. 1743 01:19:07,676 --> 01:19:09,278 She had a child, I heard. 1744 01:19:09,378 --> 01:19:11,447 One... One or two. 1745 01:19:11,547 --> 01:19:14,117 She had two children. A son and daughter. 1746 01:19:14,951 --> 01:19:16,352 I'll be damned. 1747 01:19:16,452 --> 01:19:18,822 Never talked about that, ever. 1748 01:19:18,922 --> 01:19:20,957 That was like a secret. 1749 01:19:21,557 --> 01:19:23,626 I don't know who the father was. I don't know... 1750 01:19:23,726 --> 01:19:25,194 I don't know if she was married. 1751 01:19:25,294 --> 01:19:29,365 You know, we never really talked about our personal lives 1752 01:19:29,465 --> 01:19:30,599 in North Beach. 1753 01:19:31,835 --> 01:19:33,970 We talked about our professional lives. 1754 01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:36,672 Your act and your hair and your makeup 1755 01:19:36,772 --> 01:19:38,341 and people on the street. 1756 01:19:38,942 --> 01:19:41,677 I never talked about my kids. Nobody knew I had kids. 1757 01:19:42,311 --> 01:19:45,314 I never knew Carol had kids. She never mentioned... 1758 01:19:45,414 --> 01:19:47,350 Ever mentioned it. 1759 01:19:48,117 --> 01:19:52,055 Well, Carol's divorce was not a good divorce. 1760 01:19:52,155 --> 01:19:54,690 I believe she lost custody of her children. 1761 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:58,061 And that's part of what shaped 1762 01:19:58,161 --> 01:20:02,298 her protective layers and walls that she built up. 1763 01:20:03,967 --> 01:20:07,837 Somebody said I should, uh, write a book about 1764 01:20:07,937 --> 01:20:09,705 Broadway or my life. 1765 01:20:09,805 --> 01:20:13,242 I said, "My God, I don't want to start crying," you know? 1766 01:20:13,676 --> 01:20:15,879 - Forget it. - Is Broadway sad? 1767 01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:18,714 No, I'm talking about my life. 1768 01:20:18,814 --> 01:20:22,886 Everybody asks me, "Where is Broadway going?" every year. 1769 01:20:22,986 --> 01:20:24,720 I've had people say, "Oh my God, 1770 01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:26,255 it isn't like it used to be." 1771 01:20:26,355 --> 01:20:29,158 But one second away is not like it used to be. 1772 01:20:29,258 --> 01:20:30,559 And if you live like that, 1773 01:20:30,659 --> 01:20:32,561 then you will be living in the past. 1774 01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:35,098 And I just don't... You know, I don't relate like that. 1775 01:20:35,198 --> 01:20:36,432 Is it a boulevard of broken dreams? 1776 01:20:36,532 --> 01:20:37,766 You think people who work on Broadway 1777 01:20:37,867 --> 01:20:39,402 have fairly normal lives? 1778 01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:41,337 Like if they were a stockbroker working on Montgomery? 1779 01:20:41,437 --> 01:20:42,906 No way, Jose. 1780 01:20:51,214 --> 01:20:54,250 Every place had a barker out there going, 1781 01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:57,453 "Naked! Naked! Naked! See the naked girls! 1782 01:20:57,553 --> 01:20:58,888 Two-drink minimum." 1783 01:20:58,988 --> 01:21:01,590 The hottest show on Broadway, right here! 1784 01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:04,693 "Man-woman sex act right on stage!" 1785 01:21:04,793 --> 01:21:06,695 Come on, take a peek. No cover charge. 1786 01:21:06,795 --> 01:21:08,431 I might get a heart attack, I'm afraid. 1787 01:21:08,531 --> 01:21:09,765 Come on. No, you won't. 1788 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,700 You'll get a hard-on. Check it out. 1789 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,302 I was a barker. 1790 01:21:13,402 --> 01:21:15,571 Didn't know how to do it. I just watched my uncle. 1791 01:21:15,671 --> 01:21:17,573 "Two teachers, a housewife, and secretary 1792 01:21:17,673 --> 01:21:19,108 in our amateur topless contest!" 1793 01:21:19,208 --> 01:21:21,644 Young ladies here for more than one million dollars. 1794 01:21:21,744 --> 01:21:22,979 That's a lot of money, man. 1795 01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:24,447 You gotta have a perfect body. 1796 01:21:24,547 --> 01:21:27,216 Supernatural sex for sale! 1797 01:21:27,316 --> 01:21:28,584 Who bit that apple? 1798 01:21:28,684 --> 01:21:31,087 Nothing but Eve, that's what. Come in. 1799 01:21:31,187 --> 01:21:34,157 Excuse me, gentlemen. Right here it is... 1800 01:21:36,425 --> 01:21:37,726 Step right up. 1801 01:21:38,327 --> 01:21:39,996 When you've got a five-piece band 1802 01:21:40,096 --> 01:21:42,598 and a topless dancer, and go-go girls, 1803 01:21:42,698 --> 01:21:44,133 that's a lot of people you gotta pay. 1804 01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:47,170 You gotta be charging big bucks for drinks. 1805 01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:49,305 You gotta have full houses every night. 1806 01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:51,240 When I left, I said, 1807 01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:53,076 "This isn't gonna last long." 1808 01:21:53,176 --> 01:21:54,677 The crowd began to diminish. 1809 01:21:55,411 --> 01:21:56,745 So the action was dead. 1810 01:21:56,845 --> 01:21:58,147 First thing they did 1811 01:21:58,247 --> 01:22:00,249 was fire the live entertainment. 1812 01:22:00,349 --> 01:22:03,686 They went from band to canned music. 1813 01:22:03,786 --> 01:22:06,455 All the clubs would do that because it was a money thing. 1814 01:22:06,555 --> 01:22:10,126 Back in the 1960s, as many as 15 topless clubs 1815 01:22:10,226 --> 01:22:12,161 blossomed here on the Broadway strip. 1816 01:22:12,261 --> 01:22:13,796 But in recent years, business, 1817 01:22:13,896 --> 01:22:15,798 and a few other things, have sagged. 1818 01:22:15,898 --> 01:22:19,602 When it was on the downslide, the customers were different. 1819 01:22:19,702 --> 01:22:21,270 Before, it was couples. 1820 01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:24,840 And it just ended up with these guys in overcoats. 1821 01:22:26,609 --> 01:22:28,978 We didn't know it at the time. We're living through it. 1822 01:22:29,078 --> 01:22:31,280 We couldn't see it for what it was worth. 1823 01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:33,882 It was big before, but it was not big now, 1824 01:22:33,983 --> 01:22:35,851 and it's gonna get worse. 1825 01:22:38,487 --> 01:22:39,722 They started getting girls 1826 01:22:39,822 --> 01:22:41,457 that weren't too good. 1827 01:22:41,557 --> 01:22:42,858 They'd just come in off the street. 1828 01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:43,892 Didn't have gimmicks. 1829 01:22:43,993 --> 01:22:45,228 Didn't have pretty costumes. 1830 01:22:49,232 --> 01:22:51,667 ♪ Needy song on Sleazy Street... ♪ 1831 01:22:51,767 --> 01:22:54,003 It got out of the artistic 1832 01:22:54,103 --> 01:22:57,073 and got into the sleazy part, you know? 1833 01:22:57,173 --> 01:22:59,642 Right about the time the porn biz came in 1834 01:22:59,742 --> 01:23:04,313 and the dancers realized they could make $2,000 more 1835 01:23:04,413 --> 01:23:06,882 crossing the line than they can dancing. 1836 01:23:07,583 --> 01:23:09,552 They had a hard time getting young, attractive women, 1837 01:23:09,652 --> 01:23:11,220 so they were coming up from the Tenderloin. 1838 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,522 These looked like hard chicks. 1839 01:23:13,622 --> 01:23:16,992 Much more readily tell you to fuck off. 1840 01:23:17,093 --> 01:23:18,694 Hard drugs started to come on the scene. 1841 01:23:18,794 --> 01:23:21,164 Mostly speed and downers. 1842 01:23:21,264 --> 01:23:23,699 It got dark because of that. 1843 01:23:38,047 --> 01:23:41,217 Nude encounter parlour, they were called. 1844 01:23:41,317 --> 01:23:44,887 We put up little partitions to make private rooms. 1845 01:23:44,987 --> 01:23:47,423 And the girl would even tell the guy, 1846 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:50,126 "Yeah, you can take your clothes off if you want. 1847 01:23:50,226 --> 01:23:51,394 Do anything you want. 1848 01:23:51,494 --> 01:23:52,995 But no touching." 1849 01:23:53,562 --> 01:23:56,932 I think we charged at that time $50 an hour. 1850 01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:01,070 You wanna go to the back room, it's $150 an hour. 1851 01:24:01,170 --> 01:24:03,038 So guys thought if they go to the back room, 1852 01:24:03,139 --> 01:24:05,241 they were gonna get sex now. 1853 01:24:05,341 --> 01:24:07,210 All that happened in the back room 1854 01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:09,445 is she'd bring another girl in with her 1855 01:24:09,545 --> 01:24:11,114 so two girls would be in. 1856 01:24:11,214 --> 01:24:13,048 We were, you know, conning 'em. 1857 01:24:14,083 --> 01:24:16,419 They were rippin' people off and all that. 1858 01:24:16,519 --> 01:24:18,221 We didn't do any of that. 1859 01:24:18,321 --> 01:24:20,156 Tenderloin was known for that. 1860 01:24:20,256 --> 01:24:22,991 They ended up starting to buy up all the clubs. 1861 01:24:23,092 --> 01:24:25,294 We wanted to get on Broadway 1862 01:24:25,394 --> 01:24:27,996 because that's where the tourists were, the business. 1863 01:24:28,097 --> 01:24:30,433 It was hard to lure 'em down the street. 1864 01:24:30,533 --> 01:24:34,503 The reputation of the Tenderloin, very rough. 1865 01:24:34,603 --> 01:24:36,805 All those guys packed iron. 1866 01:24:36,905 --> 01:24:38,907 We got Big Al's, 1867 01:24:39,007 --> 01:24:42,145 and Big Al's we turned into a nude encounter parlour. 1868 01:24:42,878 --> 01:24:45,181 I did work at Big Al's one night. 1869 01:24:45,281 --> 01:24:47,283 And I was just really young and naïve. 1870 01:24:47,383 --> 01:24:49,485 I didn't really know what was going on. 1871 01:24:49,918 --> 01:24:52,188 I didn't know what that box of Kleenex was for. 1872 01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:56,359 Then we got across the street, 1873 01:24:56,459 --> 01:24:59,528 the Garden of Eden, which was big at that time. 1874 01:24:59,628 --> 01:25:02,298 We turned that into a nude encounter parlour. 1875 01:25:02,398 --> 01:25:04,099 Anybody that was legitimate 1876 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,535 didn't wanna go up against those guys, 1877 01:25:06,635 --> 01:25:08,103 so they'd sell out. 1878 01:25:08,204 --> 01:25:09,538 After a while, I got out 1879 01:25:09,638 --> 01:25:11,874 because I thought they were gonna blow me away 1880 01:25:11,974 --> 01:25:13,209 if I didn't. 1881 01:25:15,478 --> 01:25:18,547 They ended up ruining the street is what they did. 1882 01:25:25,321 --> 01:25:28,791 Don Levine, he owned the club after Mattioli. 1883 01:25:28,891 --> 01:25:30,859 He was very difficult to deal with. 1884 01:25:30,959 --> 01:25:33,028 Carol worked for hardly anything at all. 1885 01:25:33,128 --> 01:25:36,799 She got like, I think in those days, $45 a show. 1886 01:25:36,899 --> 01:25:38,301 She had to get all dressed up, 1887 01:25:38,401 --> 01:25:39,835 spend hours up there. 1888 01:25:40,436 --> 01:25:42,037 Carol wasn't a very good businesswoman 1889 01:25:42,137 --> 01:25:44,006 but she was a wonderful person. 1890 01:25:44,106 --> 01:25:46,842 She should have made a whole lot more money than she did. 1891 01:25:46,942 --> 01:25:49,144 Here I was, spending a lot of money on costuming, 1892 01:25:49,245 --> 01:25:51,113 my wigs, my this, my that. 1893 01:25:51,814 --> 01:25:54,183 And I felt like I was holding the world on my shoulders. 1894 01:25:54,283 --> 01:25:57,253 And then, the owner at that time 1895 01:25:57,353 --> 01:25:59,988 was letting the club go down the drain. 1896 01:26:00,088 --> 01:26:02,090 When you let someplace deteriorate, 1897 01:26:02,191 --> 01:26:04,059 people are gonna notice that. 1898 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:05,661 But he wanted to take it out on me. 1899 01:26:05,761 --> 01:26:07,330 He just wanted me to work on the weekends. 1900 01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:09,732 So he wanted to take advantage of my name, 1901 01:26:09,832 --> 01:26:12,368 wanted me to take a tremendous salary cut. 1902 01:26:12,468 --> 01:26:13,769 Was very demeaning 1903 01:26:13,869 --> 01:26:16,605 after I'd worked so many years and so hard. 1904 01:26:17,473 --> 01:26:19,708 Very few women 1905 01:26:19,808 --> 01:26:22,678 have been entrepreneurial enough 1906 01:26:22,778 --> 01:26:25,514 to really make a long-term successful business 1907 01:26:25,614 --> 01:26:26,849 out of their chest. 1908 01:26:26,949 --> 01:26:32,120 It tends to be a fleeting commodity. 1909 01:26:32,221 --> 01:26:35,891 One can imagine great anxiety around... 1910 01:26:35,991 --> 01:26:37,426 her primary asset. 1911 01:26:39,228 --> 01:26:40,929 It's going out of fashion. 1912 01:26:41,029 --> 01:26:45,568 It's aging. It's literal deflation. 1913 01:26:46,335 --> 01:26:50,439 What is perennial out of fashion is the old boob. 1914 01:26:50,539 --> 01:26:53,175 - How old are you now? - [Doda] How old am I now? 1915 01:26:54,176 --> 01:26:56,245 - Well... - Are... You don't say? 1916 01:26:56,879 --> 01:26:59,482 Well, uh, I do say or I don't say 1917 01:26:59,582 --> 01:27:01,384 but what difference does it make? 1918 01:27:02,084 --> 01:27:04,320 It now seems absurd to think of a woman 1919 01:27:04,420 --> 01:27:07,256 in her thirties, forties, as aging. 1920 01:27:07,356 --> 01:27:11,660 But she knew society had said she had an expiration date. 1921 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,897 I drew up a contract with Levine and gave it to him. 1922 01:27:14,997 --> 01:27:16,665 Said, "These are the conditions we want," 1923 01:27:16,765 --> 01:27:18,601 and I got him to sign the agreement. 1924 01:27:19,167 --> 01:27:21,670 Otherwise, he never would pay her anything. 1925 01:27:22,104 --> 01:27:25,441 And Don Levine is the one that brought Jimmy the Beard in 1926 01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:27,109 as the protector. 1927 01:27:27,209 --> 01:27:29,678 Because there was other people that wanted to muscle in 1928 01:27:29,778 --> 01:27:31,680 on some of the clubs on Broadway. 1929 01:27:42,758 --> 01:27:44,026 Jimmy the Beard. 1930 01:27:44,593 --> 01:27:46,995 He was the manager of the Condor. 1931 01:27:47,563 --> 01:27:49,598 Tough guy, but he didn't act like a tough guy. 1932 01:27:49,698 --> 01:27:51,434 Was not a bully. 1933 01:27:51,534 --> 01:27:54,637 But I knew he's not somebody that you'd wanna mess with. 1934 01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:57,506 If there was a fight, and there were occasionally, 1935 01:27:57,606 --> 01:27:59,842 never more than three or four punches thrown 1936 01:27:59,942 --> 01:28:01,944 because Jimmy was the best. 1937 01:28:02,044 --> 01:28:03,612 If there was any hot action, he was on it. 1938 01:28:03,712 --> 01:28:04,847 I mean, he was gruff 1939 01:28:04,947 --> 01:28:06,549 and it was just, whatever he said went. 1940 01:28:06,649 --> 01:28:07,883 But everybody liked him 1941 01:28:07,983 --> 01:28:09,818 'cause he had one of those personalities. 1942 01:28:09,918 --> 01:28:13,021 And his wife, Ginger, was my friend. 1943 01:28:13,121 --> 01:28:15,057 Ginger was a dancer and a waitress. 1944 01:28:15,157 --> 01:28:17,326 They end up moving to Vegas, 1945 01:28:17,426 --> 01:28:20,363 and Jimmy got in a fight with the son 1946 01:28:20,463 --> 01:28:22,998 of one of the big Mafia guys in Vegas. 1947 01:28:23,098 --> 01:28:24,500 He beats the hell out of the guy. 1948 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,135 Think he put the guy in the hospital. 1949 01:28:27,235 --> 01:28:28,537 Anyway, when this happened, 1950 01:28:28,637 --> 01:28:30,739 the word got out that they're gonna kill him. 1951 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,909 He came to me, told me what happened. 1952 01:28:34,009 --> 01:28:35,711 I says, "Oh, Jesus, Jimmy." 1953 01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:38,146 "You're gonna have to have eyes behind your head." 1954 01:28:38,614 --> 01:28:39,915 He says, "For how long?" 1955 01:28:40,015 --> 01:28:41,850 I says, "Forever." 1956 01:28:41,950 --> 01:28:43,886 -"They're gonna get you." - Bizarre. 1957 01:28:43,986 --> 01:28:46,822 Perhaps the most overused word on television newscasts. 1958 01:28:46,922 --> 01:28:50,393 But how else to describe the death of Jimmy the Beard? 1959 01:28:50,493 --> 01:28:51,894 The lights may be on, 1960 01:28:51,994 --> 01:28:53,862 but the Condor club is sealed tight. 1961 01:28:53,962 --> 01:28:57,400 Homicide investigates the bizarre death of this man, 1962 01:28:57,500 --> 01:29:00,002 James "the Beard" Ferrozzo. 1963 01:29:00,102 --> 01:29:03,005 He came in really drunk and was with a girl. 1964 01:29:03,105 --> 01:29:04,773 They were drinking Green Chartreuse, 1965 01:29:04,873 --> 01:29:05,974 I remember that clearly. 1966 01:29:06,074 --> 01:29:07,443 It's pretty strong stuff. 1967 01:29:07,543 --> 01:29:09,244 He said, "Phil, you can go home now." 1968 01:29:09,344 --> 01:29:11,580 I knew what that meant. They wanted to party. 1969 01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,081 Ginger called me up. 1970 01:29:13,181 --> 01:29:15,017 She said, "Jimmy didn't come home last night." 1971 01:29:15,117 --> 01:29:17,886 I said, "Weren't you worried when he didn't come home?" 1972 01:29:17,986 --> 01:29:19,688 She said, "Well, that wasn't the first night 1973 01:29:19,788 --> 01:29:21,089 he didn't come home all night." 1974 01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:24,126 I found the guy, and I lost a good friend. 1975 01:29:24,226 --> 01:29:26,929 - What happened, do you know? - Crushed to d-- He's crushed. 1976 01:29:27,029 --> 01:29:29,364 Found at 10:00 this morning on top of a piano 1977 01:29:29,465 --> 01:29:31,066 suspended in the air. 1978 01:29:31,166 --> 01:29:32,701 He was fully clothed. 1979 01:29:32,801 --> 01:29:36,071 Next to him, naked, was 23-year-old Theresa Hill. 1980 01:29:36,171 --> 01:29:38,941 I heard the girl's voice. 1981 01:29:39,041 --> 01:29:40,776 So I went through the dressing room 1982 01:29:40,876 --> 01:29:43,712 and through the tunnel where Carol Doda goes to do her show 1983 01:29:44,179 --> 01:29:46,248 and saw that the girl was alive. 1984 01:29:46,348 --> 01:29:49,017 And I reached down and felt Jimmy. 1985 01:29:49,652 --> 01:29:51,987 And... Well, I knew he was dead. 1986 01:29:52,087 --> 01:29:54,122 The survivor, incoherent when found. 1987 01:29:54,222 --> 01:29:56,492 She says she remembers nothing of what happened. 1988 01:29:56,592 --> 01:29:58,427 They had been partying all night. 1989 01:29:58,527 --> 01:29:59,928 There he is 1990 01:30:00,028 --> 01:30:02,164 with his head right in her bush. 1991 01:30:02,264 --> 01:30:06,635 And laying on the bar are these lines of blow, cocaine. 1992 01:30:06,735 --> 01:30:08,637 I said, "I better get rid of this stuff 1993 01:30:08,737 --> 01:30:10,138 before the heat comes." 1994 01:30:10,238 --> 01:30:12,808 So I didn't blow it off the bar. 1995 01:30:12,908 --> 01:30:15,077 I stuffed it up my nose. 1996 01:30:19,247 --> 01:30:20,883 The whole place is turned upside down. 1997 01:30:20,983 --> 01:30:22,618 Chairs upside down. 1998 01:30:22,718 --> 01:30:24,352 A fight went on in there. 1999 01:30:24,453 --> 01:30:26,522 When homicide inspectors finally came out, 2000 01:30:26,622 --> 01:30:28,190 they weren't sure. 2001 01:30:28,290 --> 01:30:30,158 It appears to be a homicide, but that's all we know now. 2002 01:30:30,258 --> 01:30:32,327 Maybe. Maybe not. 2003 01:30:32,427 --> 01:30:34,329 But everybody who knew anything about it 2004 01:30:34,429 --> 01:30:36,599 knows that piano moves up slowly. 2005 01:30:36,699 --> 01:30:39,001 And though it's controlled from a separate panel, 2006 01:30:39,101 --> 01:30:42,437 it can also be stopped with a switch on the piano itself. 2007 01:30:43,138 --> 01:30:44,940 If you know where the switch is. 2008 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,142 What I believe is they killed him. 2009 01:30:47,242 --> 01:30:49,111 I think it was a setup. 2010 01:30:49,211 --> 01:30:50,713 Yeah, I think they killed him first. 2011 01:30:50,813 --> 01:30:53,649 But Art has another theory. 2012 01:30:53,749 --> 01:30:56,118 I think it was a total accident. 2013 01:30:56,218 --> 01:30:58,554 He had on cowboy boots. 2014 01:30:58,654 --> 01:31:01,356 His toe hit the up button 2015 01:31:01,890 --> 01:31:05,260 and he was too goofed-up to know that it was moving. 2016 01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:06,895 He woulda loved that story though. 2017 01:31:06,995 --> 01:31:09,131 Jimmy would've loved it. 2018 01:31:09,231 --> 01:31:10,866 It's a great story, right? 2019 01:31:10,966 --> 01:31:14,369 The piano goes up and his foot just happens to hit the switch 2020 01:31:14,469 --> 01:31:16,471 that's way over there, by the way. 2021 01:31:16,572 --> 01:31:18,173 Maybe they just threw her up there 2022 01:31:18,273 --> 01:31:19,908 and they threw him on her 2023 01:31:20,008 --> 01:31:21,844 and they sent the piano up. 2024 01:31:21,944 --> 01:31:24,913 And they told the girl, "We're not gonna kill you. 2025 01:31:25,013 --> 01:31:26,649 Now you get outta town. 2026 01:31:26,749 --> 01:31:28,751 Don't ever come back here again." 2027 01:31:28,851 --> 01:31:31,353 But that's how Jimmy the Beard, why he got killed. 2028 01:31:41,630 --> 01:31:44,266 Since that bizarre accident last week, 2029 01:31:44,366 --> 01:31:45,734 Carol Doda's been off work. 2030 01:31:46,434 --> 01:31:49,838 Tonight, she returns, and the piano still sits there. 2031 01:31:49,938 --> 01:31:53,075 When I was using it, it was like part of me. 2032 01:31:53,175 --> 01:31:55,343 But now, I mean, the things that happened on it 2033 01:31:55,443 --> 01:31:57,245 are certainly not a part of me. 2034 01:31:57,345 --> 01:31:59,281 And I really can't relate to it anymore. 2035 01:32:17,165 --> 01:32:19,735 When Carol retired from the Condor, 2036 01:32:19,835 --> 01:32:22,237 she had to reinvent herself. 2037 01:32:22,337 --> 01:32:26,474 In the '80s, it still was hard for women to survive. 2038 01:32:26,575 --> 01:32:29,511 She was really scared to support herself, 2039 01:32:29,612 --> 01:32:33,081 so she was struggling to figure out how. 2040 01:32:37,152 --> 01:32:41,389 She was not going to accept her expiration date. 2041 01:32:41,489 --> 01:32:44,960 She was going to deny it, work with it, 2042 01:32:45,060 --> 01:32:47,429 work around it, blow it up. 2043 01:32:52,367 --> 01:32:54,302 The best thing in my life right now 2044 01:32:54,402 --> 01:32:55,904 is my rock and roll show, 2045 01:32:56,004 --> 01:32:58,774 and it's called Carol Doda and Her Lucky Stiffs. 2046 01:32:59,507 --> 01:33:02,811 And I have my adult fantasy line. 2047 01:33:02,911 --> 01:33:05,748 Yeah. You've got it. 2048 01:33:05,848 --> 01:33:08,083 976-D-O-D-A. 2049 01:33:08,183 --> 01:33:10,853 You're such a... handsome guy. 2050 01:33:10,953 --> 01:33:12,688 She was kind of a jack of all trades 2051 01:33:12,788 --> 01:33:16,825 at trying to find ways to bring in income. 2052 01:33:16,925 --> 01:33:18,493 Carol Doda is marketing 2053 01:33:18,593 --> 01:33:20,996 her own line of skin moisturizers, 2054 01:33:21,096 --> 01:33:23,632 and she also exercises every day. 2055 01:33:23,732 --> 01:33:24,833 Who is Carol Doda? 2056 01:33:24,933 --> 01:33:26,669 Know what I am? A court jester. 2057 01:33:26,769 --> 01:33:29,337 Makes people laugh, entertains people. That's all I am. 2058 01:33:29,437 --> 01:33:31,273 Is there a serious side to Carol Doda? 2059 01:33:31,373 --> 01:33:33,676 I've seen my serious side. Forget it. 2060 01:33:33,776 --> 01:33:36,144 Why not laugh, huh? Why not laugh at yourself? 2061 01:33:39,782 --> 01:33:41,483 Carol Doda, how are you? 2062 01:33:41,583 --> 01:33:42,951 I'm fine. How are you? 2063 01:33:43,051 --> 01:33:44,853 - So whatcha doin' nowadays? - I got a boutique. 2064 01:33:44,953 --> 01:33:46,789 Champagne and lace lingerie boutique. 2065 01:33:46,889 --> 01:33:50,558 In this little side street off of Union Street... 2066 01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:53,295 She had this really nice boutique salon. 2067 01:33:53,395 --> 01:33:56,665 With custom-sized bras and lingerie. 2068 01:33:56,765 --> 01:33:59,234 I have nice dresses like this. You like this dress? 2069 01:33:59,968 --> 01:34:01,336 - Yeah. - She hasn't changed much. 2070 01:34:01,436 --> 01:34:03,071 - Look. 2071 01:34:03,171 --> 01:34:04,639 She went through 2072 01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:06,408 so many bra sizes in her career, 2073 01:34:06,508 --> 01:34:08,911 she could look at somebody and know their bra size. 2074 01:34:09,011 --> 01:34:10,378 She was a master. 2075 01:34:10,478 --> 01:34:12,147 A lot of people that were her customers, 2076 01:34:12,247 --> 01:34:13,716 they weren't really customers. 2077 01:34:13,816 --> 01:34:15,751 They were people that wanted to come and see her. 2078 01:34:15,851 --> 01:34:17,720 The legendary Carol Doda. 2079 01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:19,521 * Just in time ♪ 2080 01:34:19,621 --> 01:34:23,025 I think my father was a little star-struck initially. 2081 01:34:23,125 --> 01:34:26,561 They met for the first time at Gino & Carlo's 2082 01:34:26,661 --> 01:34:29,231 which is a very famous watering hole in North Beach. 2083 01:34:29,331 --> 01:34:31,233 My father, he loved her for her 2084 01:34:31,333 --> 01:34:34,369 and not for "Carol Doda" the image, 2085 01:34:34,469 --> 01:34:36,004 the marquee, the superstar. 2086 01:34:36,939 --> 01:34:39,441 He was her boyfriend for a lot of years. 2087 01:34:39,541 --> 01:34:41,176 He really took care of her. 2088 01:34:41,276 --> 01:34:42,677 Carol and my dad, Jay, 2089 01:34:42,778 --> 01:34:44,947 were together for about ten years. 2090 01:34:45,047 --> 01:34:46,782 That was the longest relationship 2091 01:34:46,882 --> 01:34:48,383 Carol had ever had. 2092 01:34:48,483 --> 01:34:49,852 She just adored him. 2093 01:34:49,952 --> 01:34:52,587 She described him as the love of her life. 2094 01:34:52,687 --> 01:34:54,122 Her best friend. 2095 01:34:54,222 --> 01:34:56,591 "Just in Time" song, I think it had a deep meaning 2096 01:34:56,691 --> 01:34:58,260 between my father and Carol. 2097 01:34:58,360 --> 01:34:59,694 Whenever she'd hit the stage, 2098 01:34:59,795 --> 01:35:01,563 she'd sing "Just in Time" and point at him 2099 01:35:01,663 --> 01:35:03,498 and look at him the whole time. 2100 01:35:04,032 --> 01:35:06,835 ♪ You found me just in time ♪ 2101 01:35:08,136 --> 01:35:11,573 ♪ And changed my lonely life... ♪ 2102 01:35:11,673 --> 01:35:13,408 He saved her and she saved him 2103 01:35:13,508 --> 01:35:16,444 in many regards as well. 2104 01:35:16,544 --> 01:35:20,048 When Jay passed away, it hit her really hard. 2105 01:35:28,690 --> 01:35:30,292 Her health was deteriorating 2106 01:35:30,392 --> 01:35:31,994 in different ways. 2107 01:35:32,094 --> 01:35:35,931 The doctors said that the effects of the silicone 2108 01:35:36,031 --> 01:35:39,835 had caused a disease called Goodpasture syndrome. 2109 01:35:39,935 --> 01:35:42,204 It attacks your kidneys and your lungs. 2110 01:35:43,005 --> 01:35:44,439 She was very ill, 2111 01:35:44,539 --> 01:35:46,842 and she insists on going to the Tupelo. 2112 01:35:47,575 --> 01:35:49,978 She was adamant. "People are counting on me. 2113 01:35:50,078 --> 01:35:51,613 I gave 'em my word." 2114 01:35:51,713 --> 01:35:54,516 She lived to be on stage. 2115 01:35:54,616 --> 01:35:57,219 That was her whole raison d'etre. 2116 01:35:57,953 --> 01:36:01,089 So we ended up relenting and we took her to the Tupelo. 2117 01:36:01,189 --> 01:36:05,293 And Carol pulls out this sack of makeup out of her purse 2118 01:36:05,393 --> 01:36:07,262 and starts drawing eyebrows 2119 01:36:07,362 --> 01:36:10,165 and drawing the eyeliner around her eyes 2120 01:36:10,265 --> 01:36:12,901 and transforms herself into Carol. 2121 01:36:13,368 --> 01:36:16,104 She's the icon of North Beach 2122 01:36:16,204 --> 01:36:19,541 and has been for many years. Miss Carol Doda. 2123 01:36:21,609 --> 01:36:25,380 I remember her walking very slowly 2124 01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:27,615 because her breathing was labored. 2125 01:36:27,715 --> 01:36:30,118 She would put her hand on the keyboard 2126 01:36:30,218 --> 01:36:31,887 and feel the music 2127 01:36:31,987 --> 01:36:34,056 because she couldn't hear. 2128 01:36:34,156 --> 01:36:38,160 And she broke out in "All of Me" 2129 01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:40,695 like she's done a million times. 2130 01:36:40,795 --> 01:36:42,097 ♪ All of me ♪ 2131 01:36:43,265 --> 01:36:44,933 ♪ Why not take all of me ♪ 2132 01:36:46,969 --> 01:36:51,573 ♪ Can't you see I'm no good without you ♪ 2133 01:36:53,241 --> 01:36:55,043 ♪ Take my lips ♪ 2134 01:36:55,677 --> 01:36:57,612 ♪ I'll never use them ♪ 2135 01:36:59,314 --> 01:37:00,949 ♪ Take my arms ♪ 2136 01:37:02,517 --> 01:37:05,753 ♪ I won't use them ♪ 2137 01:37:07,122 --> 01:37:08,857 ♪ Your goodbye ♪ 2138 01:37:09,424 --> 01:37:12,594 ♪ Left me with eyes that cry ♪ 2139 01:37:13,328 --> 01:37:16,731 ♪ How can I go on without ♪ 2140 01:37:18,133 --> 01:37:20,135 ♪ You took that part ♪ 2141 01:37:20,835 --> 01:37:24,006 ♪ That once was my heart ♪ 2142 01:37:24,106 --> 01:37:28,543 ♪ So why not Why not take all of me ♪ 2143 01:37:28,643 --> 01:37:30,045 Okay, boys. 2144 01:37:30,145 --> 01:37:32,614 ♪ Why not ♪ 2145 01:37:33,681 --> 01:37:37,385 ♪ I said, why not ♪ 2146 01:37:40,155 --> 01:37:42,958 ♪ Why not, baby ♪ 2147 01:37:44,292 --> 01:37:50,732 ♪ Why not take all of me ♪ 2148 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:55,303 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2149 01:38:12,921 --> 01:38:15,590 Your frustrations have to come out some way. 2150 01:38:15,690 --> 01:38:18,026 So mine come out in my drawings. 2151 01:38:20,428 --> 01:38:22,664 I believe in entertainment. 2152 01:38:22,764 --> 01:38:24,432 And I believe in love. 2153 01:38:26,001 --> 01:38:27,135 Why, all of a sudden, 2154 01:38:27,235 --> 01:38:28,971 is everybody becoming so puritanical? 2155 01:38:29,071 --> 01:38:31,639 Are they afraid of the body? 2156 01:38:31,739 --> 01:38:34,642 Are they afraid that people don't have minds of their own? 2157 01:38:34,742 --> 01:38:36,878 I think I'll just go on doing my act. 2158 01:38:44,252 --> 01:38:46,121 I think we've covered everything. 165842

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