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So my April Fool's Day prank plan is
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to put some jelly
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behind the refrigerator handle.
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Then she's gonna come over here
to the sink, turn it on
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and... [chuckles]
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And get sprayed in the face.
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[kids shouting]
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[Nia] Ew, Samuel! Oh my gosh!
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- [Sam] What?
- I hate jelly on my hands!
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{an8}[gasps] Samuel Paul Rader!
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{an8}[synth music plays]
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{an8}[both chuckling]
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{an8}April Fool's!
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{an8}Oh my gosh!
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{an8}After the Frozen video went viral,
a lot of people were like,
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"You have a cute family.
You should blog, you should vlog."
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We're not really shy,
we're both personable people.
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We're like, "We could do this,
this would be a lot of fun."
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Well, hey! [laughs]
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[Nia] And we just started.
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We're on our way to the FC Dallas game.
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[straining] Yes!
This doesn't look very good.
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Sam knew the... ya know, the YouTube scene,
I guess.
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He kinda knew how to title things
and, like, how to create a legit video,
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and our channel started to, like, thrive.
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{an8}[dance music plays]
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{an8}It's that time of the week again,
Symphony and I are going exploring.
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The response was really good.
We were putting out videos day after day.
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Good morning, guys!
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Good morning!
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How's everybody doing?
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Our following just started amassing.
We got more and more subscribers.
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It was insane.
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Nice to meet you.
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You guys are the two things
we watch as a family.
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For us, vlogging was just
showing other families
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what it looked like to live for the Lord.
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[Nia] Even people
who have not been introduced to God,
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they're being introduced to God
through the love we're demonstrating.
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I really like to be outside with the kids
for at least... Ahhh!
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The most exciting thing for me
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was that now Sam
is present with the camera.
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I was no longer going
to the grocery store alone.
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Cooking breakfast became,
like, a family affair.
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Everything was just like,
"Life is awesome now."
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Ashley Madison was behind me.
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But I had no idea what was coming.
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[sound distorts]
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[theme music plays]
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[foreboding music plays]
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[Cathy] It was just a regular day
going into work.
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I was starting at nine.
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When we walked into the office,
everyone was just like standing around,
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and we were told
not to touch our computers.
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Then we,
in our customer-service morning meeting,
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found out that there was a hack.
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{an8}We had an overnight customer-service rep,
and the message popped up on her screen.
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"We are the Impact Team."
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"We have taken over all systems
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in your entire office
and production domains."
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"Ashley Madison must shut down
immediately, permanently."
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We got hacked.
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I mean, it was just crazy.
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It was blackmail.
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"If you don't shut down your business,
we're going
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{an8}to make public
everybody in your databases,
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{an8}all of their addresses,
all of their credit-card information,
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{an8}and all of their sexual fantasies."
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[images click by]
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If that information got out,
this would ruin a lot of people's lives.
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[Evan] I went in to talk to Noel
and the top executives.
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There was a lot of anger in that room,
Noel was pissed.
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If it hit the press,
it would've been devastating.
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Up until that point,
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Noel's focus was taking the company public
on the stock exchange.
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{an8}For an investor,
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{an8}if you believe online dating
is here to stay,
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{an8}then Ashley Madison
becomes a very safe bet.
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We were excited.
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{an8}The IPO was gonna mean
we would make a shitload of money,
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{an8}and he didn't want anything to stop that,
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{an8}so we would never shut down.
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We were very secretive
about what happened.
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No press and certainly no police.
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[dramatic orchestral music plays]
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We had to figure out who hacked us
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before they released the database.
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Noel was not fearful.
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He was like, "We have really bright guys,
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we're gonna bring in
some other bright guys."
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He got on the phone
with these specialists from Sweden.
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[phone line ringing]
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[funky dance music plays]
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[line picks up]
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[man] I get a call from Canada,
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and they informed me
that Ashley Madison has been compromised.
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Most of my clients
are like government agencies.
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It's, uh, national security-related.
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Offensive security.
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{an8}So more... more attack
than defense, basically.
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Ashley Madison wanted me to fly over,
and I decided to call my friend André.
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The first time I heard about Joel
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{an8}was when I was working
for the, uh, Swedish Security Services.
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They were suspecting Joel
of a computer breach.
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He's the best hacker I know in the world.
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[chuckles] They keep sliding down.
[laughs]
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The thing is, I usually like work,
you know, leaned back. [laughs]
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Yeah.
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Well, he's... [splutters]...in the top ten.
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Joel called me about the data breach,
and we agreed that I should join him.
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Before I went over to Canada,
I did not know anything about the site.
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I don't judge, I'm a Swede. [laughs]
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We're... we're quite liberal.
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[Joel] I arrived in Toronto
at Ashley Madison.
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It was obviously a bit chaotic.
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Everyone was wondering what is going on
and who... who was behind it.
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[Amit] All I remember
is coming into the office
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{an8}and seeing a team of individuals
I've never seen before.
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I was pretty young and junior,
so, for me, I was completely in the dark.
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[André] Then I met
the man in charge, Noel.
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He did not know what to do,
so he was a bit lost.
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I could not see
that there was an investigation ongoing.
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There was no contact with law enforcement.
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I took charge. [laughs]
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The mandate I got from Noel
was find the data and secure the data.
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I think he was the most determined
anybody would be for anything.
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I think he felt
Ashley Madison was his baby,
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and his baby had a brain tumor,
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and it needed to get resolved
or the baby was gonna die.
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[solemn music plays]
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[André] The mood was very intense.
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The company had a daily revenue
of like a quarter of a million.
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So that was at stake here.
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But also the integrity
of 40 million users of the site.
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People using this service, having affairs.
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It was a lot of people's private life
that was on the balance here.
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[gentle piano music plays]
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[woman] In a close-knit community,
you are known.
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{an8}And there is a lot good about being known,
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{an8}and there's a lot that's not so good
about being known.
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If you've got something to hide
it's not so great,
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or if you wanna get away with something,
um, it's not so great.
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For 30 years I lived in New Orleans,
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where my husband was a professor
at New Orleans Seminary,
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and I worked on staff at a church.
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[projector clicks]
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I met John when I was 23.
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I was visiting with some friends,
and they invited John over.
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I liked him. He was funny.
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He was smart,
and he was super friendly and outgoing.
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And so we just begin writing
back and forth.
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I would get so excited
about a letter coming.
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This was before e-mail,
it was before all of that.
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John is an incredible letter writer.
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He was very idealistic,
and I felt like we wanted the same things.
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By the time I was 24, we married.
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I was just full of hope
that I was gonna have this perfect life.
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And yes, we would encounter trials.
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But I would've never,
in a million years, have imagined
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that Ashley Madison would've played
a part in our marriage.
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[André] At the office there was a space
that they called the Clinton Room,
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and that was a conference room
in back of the office
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that we commandeered
and where we set up our headquarters.
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[anxious violin music plays]
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[Cathy] The boardroom was relatively close
to the customer-service area.
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There's a lot of commotion,
people going in and out,
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pacing of higher-ups going back and forth.
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Everything was still expected to get done.
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So needless to say
it was stressful and quite distracting
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tryin' to juggle this unknown
that was going on
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with everything else we had to do.
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[André] Every investigation
is a challenge,
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and the challenge is finding the answer.
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So it's like a treasure hunt.
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There were things working against us.
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When we arrived to Ashley Madison,
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it seemed to me they were doing things
like erasing hard drives.
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They were probably
trying to secure the systems
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so they could lock out the hacker.
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Like, if something is suspicious,
okay, then wipe it.
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Wipe the laptop, wipe the...
And I'm like, "No!"
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This is exactly what
we need to be looking at.
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[André] But at least no data
had been leaked yet.
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The first thing to look at
was the hackers' initial message.
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Of course it's important,
because that's a clue.
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{an8}[Joel] They had called themselves
the Impact Team.
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{an8}They were not after any money
or recognition.
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I think it's a very...
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[pleasant guitar music plays]
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...ideologically, um,
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motivated attack.
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My first feeling was maybe
some religious zealot.
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There was watercooler conversation
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that it might've been
a disgruntled customer.
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Somebody who found out
that their spouse was using the website.
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But it was clear that
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with a service such as this,
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you piss off a lot of people.
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[mysterious music plays]
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[André] To find the traces,
the fingerprints,
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of whoever has done this,
you always go to the log files
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because that's the record
of what has happened in... in the past
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for that computer network.
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We can see the time and what account
has been used to log into the system.
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I spent most of my time
analyzing these logs.
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And then I had found something
that was quite interesting.
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So in the log file,
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I could see the hackers had connected
using software
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as if they were an employee,
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with a very specific version.
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And that particular version
had only been used
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by a previous contractor.
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And that contractor
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didn't work for Ashley Madison
at the time when they connected.
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We could already link them
to unauthorized activity.
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To me, it was quite clear
that this had significance.
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[menacing music plays]
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But then, suddenly,
things got really bad for Ashley Madison.
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{an8}New this morning,
millions of cheating husbands and wives
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{an8}should be on edge right now.
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The Impact Team released
the public statement on the Internet.
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[Evan] The hack had been our secret,
and now everybody had found out.
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Their names
and other sensitive information
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could soon be exposed.
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Hackers have attacked
the dating website Ashley Madison.
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It got picked up by media,
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and it was a complete frenzy.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million users.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million users.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million people right now
biting their fingernails.
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{an8}If this is revealed...
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I remember, uh, getting assigned
to cover that story.
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{an8}Just a sense of,
is there a bomb that's about to go off?
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{an8}They call themselves Impact Team.
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"Shutting down AM will cost you,
non-compliance will cost you more."
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If you're a hacker,
sometimes you steal data,
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you sell it,
you do everything in the shadows.
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{an8}These guys, they had a demand,
they wanted it to be known,
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{an8}and not just to the company,
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{an8}but to basically everybody else
on the Internet.
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This is not a site to share recipes,
it's to share sexual fantasies and photos.
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Okay, th... this is... this is...
this is fucking bad.
244
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- I'm waiting for the fun to begin on this.
- Yeah.
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- [man] Could be horrible.
- Whose name will be on it?
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It was all over the place.
Late night making jokes.
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Isn't that like everyone? Isn't that like...
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[audience laughing]
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I mean, really.
250
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Walmart doesn't have 37 million customers.
251
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[Evan] Noel's like,
"I can't believe this has happened."
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The IPO is gonna be blown up.
253
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Now, the threat was to comply
within a certain time window.
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They gave us 30 days to shut down
or they would release, uh, the data.
255
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Ultimately, now Ashley Madison
has a decision to make.
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[Evan] Now the clock was ticking, 30 days,
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because then they were gonna release
the database,
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and nobody had any doubt
that they had the database,
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and they would release it.
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Nobody had any doubt of that.
261
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[phones ringing]
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[Cathy] That's when
the phone calls started.
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Hundreds a day.
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Everyone wanted to know
what information was out there.
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Do they really have my address?
266
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Do they have access to my profile pics?
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I had sympathy for them, of course.
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We promised discretion and privacy,
and that didn't happen.
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So it was heartbreaking
to see customers going through that.
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[whimsical music plays]
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[Sam] I heard about the hack.
The title appeared on Yahoo! News.
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I didn't wanna consider it.
273
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It would have just completely decimated
my reputation, especially as a Christian.
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I would've been known
for the opposite of what I stood for.
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So I just... Nope, not even going there.
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[inaudible]
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Also, Nia and I were trying
for another baby.
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Hey, guys.
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Trying to hide from Nia.
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So I've had this dream
about announcing Nia's pregnancy to her.
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I wanted to find out before she does.
282
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[whispers] I have a specimen.
283
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I have a specimen.
I knew it would be there.
284
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It's a pretty clear sample.
285
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Two lines is "pregnant."
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[gasps] Oh my gosh!
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Oh!
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I felt kinda wrong.
289
00:16:40,541 --> 00:16:43,085
Like I had this information
I'm not allowed to have
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before a woman has it.
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Good morning.
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Can you pick something
out of my top pocket right there?
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- Pull it out.
- Oh my gosh.
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Pull it out.
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Oh gosh, you are so funny.
296
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Oh, you brought a positive one home?
You're so silly.
297
00:16:59,226 --> 00:17:01,103
The joke's on her, right, guys?
298
00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:04,690
What did you do?
Did you get a dropper out of the toilet?
299
00:17:04,773 --> 00:17:06,233
- No, you didn't.
- I did.
300
00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:09,570
No way. Are you serious right now?
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00:17:09,653 --> 00:17:11,655
[Sam] Her reaction is just priceless.
302
00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:13,198
She, like, freaked out.
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I couldn't believe what was happening.
304
00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:20,748
Like, has any guy in history
ever been able to surprise the wife?
305
00:17:20,831 --> 00:17:22,124
It never happens that way.
306
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There's a baby in my tummy.
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I uploaded the video and called it
"Husband Shocks Wife with Pregnancy."
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This is not fair!
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00:17:30,174 --> 00:17:33,844
[Sam] That day, the video
has this massive spike in views.
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[Nia] It took off right away.
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This was like next level
from what we had seen,
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and we were getting calls
from local news stations.
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{an8}She wrote me at work,
"I'm two weeks late."
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{an8}I was like,
"Oh, wow, I gotta get on this."
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{an8}So I took some pregnancy tests home
that... that morning.
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[Nia] This was good for Sam.
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He could quit his job
and do this full-time.
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We are about to start an interview
with RTL Television.
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We were living in the public now,
and suddenly I felt so vulnerable.
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- [chuckling]
- Oh, ho!
321
00:18:05,834 --> 00:18:07,086
Samuel!
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[Sam] If my name was discovered
in the Ashley Madison dump, I'm done.
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That's it for me and my marriage.
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[mellow string music plays]
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{an8}I was sitting in my office
at police headquarters,
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{an8}and I was reading
the Toronto Sun newspaper.
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That's when I heard
about Ashley Madison bein' hacked.
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"Life is short, have an affair."
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Yes, I mean,
it was obviously, uh, what that was for.
330
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I mean, it was for hookups.
331
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One-night stands, maybe a week stands.
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The hackers say they don't just have
the records, each person's profile.
333
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They also have the financial information.
334
00:19:06,854 --> 00:19:08,939
This hack, it's criminal stuff.
335
00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:11,358
So we went to Ashley Madison.
336
00:19:11,441 --> 00:19:13,652
I wanted to get a clearer picture.
337
00:19:14,736 --> 00:19:16,488
I met with the CEO.
338
00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:20,993
We found out they hired
a cybersecurity team from Europe.
339
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I wanted to inform Ashley Madison
the cooperation that was required.
340
00:19:26,456 --> 00:19:28,041
[delicate music plays]
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But a lot of stuff was not bein' shared.
342
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I don't think that any company would allow
the police in with an open door.
343
00:19:38,719 --> 00:19:42,472
Their focus was the damage control
more than anything.
344
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[André] It was an enormous pressure
from the board on Noel to get this fixed.
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Earlier this spring the company
was talking about going public.
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I think this pushes those plans back.
347
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[André] The sense of urgency went up.
348
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[Bryce] They'd already identified
a potential suspect.
349
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[André] So we set up a phone conversation,
and he agreed to meet us.
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So we needed to have a plan.
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Noel and the board wanted
to have this meeting on the same day
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and get the information back
as soon as possible.
353
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[Bryce] I was told later on that matters
were taken in their own hands.
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Their focus was making it go away
at whatever resources they could afford.
355
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[André] As soon as we had a place to meet,
356
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Noel sent me
for this meeting with the suspect.
357
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At that point, I really thought
that things were quite promising.
358
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[morose music plays]
359
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[André] And I met him and had a coffee.
360
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He was very nervous, of course,
361
00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:02,302
and he was like,
"I had nothing to do with this."
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00:21:02,844 --> 00:21:03,720
After a while,
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he starts to realize that we have
information that was pointing at him.
364
00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:11,103
So he understood that.
So his demeanor changed.
365
00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:17,067
He admitted readily to them about
the previous breeches into the system.
366
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:21,446
[André] But at this time,
he's still not saying
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00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:23,824
that he is involved with the hack.
368
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,998
[Bryce] He was offered monies
to help pay his mortgage off
369
00:21:31,707 --> 00:21:35,168
if information would not be released
to the general public.
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They had a lot to lose as a company.
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But, uh, at the end of the day,
the money didn't talk.
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He denied being involved.
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Yeah, it... it's frustrating. [chuckles]
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[André] After, of course,
we phoned up the office
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and told them what the outcome
of that conversation was.
376
00:22:01,903 --> 00:22:04,865
I think Noel was disappointed.
377
00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,870
But the contractor
was not taking responsibility.
378
00:22:10,454 --> 00:22:12,998
Of course, it may not have been him.
379
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:17,127
[Joel] It could have been someone else
using their credentials.
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00:22:17,961 --> 00:22:19,880
We need to gather more evidence.
381
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:24,426
[Bryce] When we, the Toronto Police,
got search warrants
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and finally go
and interview this gentleman,
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by then he was, uh, involved
with a lawyer.
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00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:33,769
[André] When he did not confess
to the police,
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they could not hold him
on these circumstances.
386
00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:38,857
[hopeful music plays]
387
00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:42,110
[Bryce] We were hampered
and hindered with this suspect
388
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because there was a promise of monies
being offered to this individual.
389
00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:50,077
I would have did a different approach.
390
00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:52,329
There's so many options,
391
00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:56,500
but those options were limited to almost
nonexistent with this gentleman.
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[André] Then there was not much more
that the police could do,
393
00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:02,881
and that was the end
of that investigation.
394
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,469
So we needed to find other leads
to investigate.
395
00:23:07,552 --> 00:23:09,429
[upbeat music plays]
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00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:11,723
We were starting
to interview certain employees
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00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:16,019
that were kinda identified
as maybe potentially havin' knowledge
398
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:17,229
or bein' involved.
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00:23:17,854 --> 00:23:21,858
[André] So we were looking at person X
and person Y and so on.
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00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,236
Some were dismissed, uh, right away,
401
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,239
some were more
of an ongoing investigation.
402
00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:32,661
[André] There was a lot of leads
that did not go anywhere.
403
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:33,954
That was disappointing.
404
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:39,000
[Evan] The police were not able
to get anything done.
405
00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:41,795
Our team was not
really getting too much done.
406
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:47,551
Noel and the board members
would never give up millions of dollars
407
00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:48,634
in revenue.
408
00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:51,221
So we had to play chicken.
409
00:23:53,682 --> 00:23:56,893
We knew that if there was any truth
behind the Impact Team,
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00:23:56,977 --> 00:24:00,814
of their actual threat,
it was now just a waiting period.
411
00:24:00,897 --> 00:24:02,858
We were bracing.
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00:24:02,941 --> 00:24:09,531
Our legal department, our PR machine,
we were waiting, holding our breath.
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00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:15,829
Maybe hoping we'd come back the next day,
turn on our computers, and it'd say,
414
00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:19,124
"This is the Impact Team,
we're just kidding." [laughs]
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00:24:19,207 --> 00:24:20,750
Likely.
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00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,597
[clock ticking]
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00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:36,475
[upbeat music crescendoes]
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00:24:40,687 --> 00:24:42,689
[dramatic choir music plays]
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00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,027
[female reporter] The hackers
who stole private data
420
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:52,407
from the cheating website Ashley Madison
just followed through on their threat.
421
00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,243
The whole dataset
was released to the world.
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00:24:55,827 --> 00:25:00,123
[female reporter] E-mails, names,
credit-card transactions, and much more
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00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:03,084
reportedly leaked
onto the so-called dark web.
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00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,879
This was the outcome that nobody wanted.
425
00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:07,506
Another story we're following.
426
00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:09,758
It could spell trouble
for the millions of users
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00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:12,093
of the cheating website Ashley Madison.
428
00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,930
{an8}Tonight, thanks to hackers,
a lot of secrets are out.
429
00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:17,182
{an8}It's a worldwide victimization.
430
00:25:17,265 --> 00:25:20,810
{an8}It's now left many South Africans
in a somewhat uncomfortable position.
431
00:25:20,894 --> 00:25:23,522
{an8}[reporting in French]
432
00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:25,607
[reporting in Spanish]
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00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:28,777
[in English] I had not witnessed any other
personal hacks of this magnitude
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00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,445
ever happen anywhere in the world.
435
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:34,199
{an8}It's the type of data that's not meant
to be shared with the general public.
436
00:25:34,282 --> 00:25:35,534
It was chaos.
437
00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:42,791
{an8}It was one step forward,
10,000 steps backwards.
438
00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:46,253
You can't put the genie back in the bottle
once the data is out there.
439
00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:48,380
- [man] The damage is done.
- [woman] Really scary.
440
00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:51,508
[Evan] Noel couldn't believe
what was happening.
441
00:25:51,591 --> 00:25:55,345
It was like they cut off Ashley Madison
at the knees.
442
00:25:55,428 --> 00:26:00,475
Everything we had worked so hard for
was all just blowing up.
443
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,561
[foreboding music plays]
444
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:06,231
[mouse clicks]
445
00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:11,695
[Bryce] You see and witness what some
of these clients place in their profile.
446
00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:14,823
A lot of people
were talkin' about three-way sex.
447
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,950
Most was two females and a male,
448
00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:20,704
but a lot of these gentlemen wanted
to have sex with a male and a female.
449
00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:24,958
Uh, there's people that wanted
to be urinated on, defecated on.
450
00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:29,879
In 2015, journalists were still grappling
with the idea
451
00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:35,385
of whether they should even download
or use data that was stolen by hackers.
452
00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:37,262
{an8}[woman] I'm sure you're going through it.
453
00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:39,139
{an8}Yeah. Yeah.
454
00:26:39,222 --> 00:26:42,892
{an8}I mean, this is true, I am looking
through it for journalistic purposes.
455
00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:44,978
But the question that matters is,
456
00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,355
is there anything in here
that's in the public interest,
457
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:48,898
that people should know?
458
00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:51,443
Everyone was digging through it,
looking for dirt,
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00:26:51,526 --> 00:26:53,862
uh, looking for names that they recognize.
460
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,831
[Sam] When I saw that the Impact Team
had decided to come out with the data,
461
00:27:04,914 --> 00:27:05,832
I got worried.
462
00:27:05,915 --> 00:27:08,627
[intriguing music plays]
463
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:10,295
Nia and I were at the airport.
464
00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:13,089
We were headed
to a vlogger fair in Seattle.
465
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,925
It's a conference for vloggers,
family vloggers.
466
00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:20,513
And then name after name
started coming out.
467
00:27:21,681 --> 00:27:25,185
State attorney Jeff Ashton
had a membership to the website.
468
00:27:25,268 --> 00:27:28,480
I deeply regret
my affiliation with the site,
469
00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:33,151
which has caused a great amount of stress
and heartache to my wife and children.
470
00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:37,155
That's when I did start freakin' out
a little.
471
00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:41,201
And I'm scrolling Twitter,
makin' sure that my name was safe,
472
00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:43,745
and I was just, like, hoping for the best.
473
00:27:45,538 --> 00:27:47,165
And then as I'm scrolling,
474
00:27:47,248 --> 00:27:50,877
I see this obscure account
made this tweet that says,
475
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:56,633
"Did I just scoop that Sam Rader
was found in the Ashley Madison dump?"
476
00:27:59,719 --> 00:28:00,719
I was like...
477
00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:03,598
I couldn't believe what I was reading.
478
00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:11,564
I feel like it was probably the closest
I've ever come to... to passing out
479
00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,360
from just seeing something
or reading something.
480
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,029
Everything just disappears around me.
481
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:21,324
I felt a sudden sense of doom
482
00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:23,993
and that my life was over.
483
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:29,582
We're about to sit down to eat
at a Chili's inside of the airport,
484
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:32,836
and so I make the decision
somewhere right there.
485
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:35,755
I have to tell Nia before she reads this,
before she finds out.
486
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,632
How the heck am I gonna tell her this?
487
00:28:38,633 --> 00:28:40,635
[anxious violin music plays]
488
00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:44,222
[Nia] I think it was like six at night
by this point.
489
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:45,515
I had not eaten that day,
490
00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:49,519
and I was just, like, on the menu,
like really invested.
491
00:28:49,602 --> 00:28:51,896
What are we getting?
Let's get this quickly.
492
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:53,440
I look over, Sam's on his phone,
493
00:28:54,232 --> 00:28:58,319
and he looks very serious
and intent about what he's reading.
494
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,741
I just put my hands on the table.
She can tell something's really wrong.
495
00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:04,451
The waiter came, he took our order,
496
00:29:04,534 --> 00:29:08,163
and after that
I remember Sam leaning forward.
497
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:11,124
His body language was kind of like inward,
498
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:14,002
like he didn't want anybody to hear
what he was about to say.
499
00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:18,673
And he said,
"I have something to tell you."
500
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:25,346
"There's a website where married people
can go to have an affair,
501
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:29,142
and stupidly I had an account for that,
502
00:29:29,225 --> 00:29:34,773
and someone has hacked
into Ashley Madison,
503
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,860
and a list of names
is being leaked, like, right now,
504
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,780
and my name was just exposed on Twitter."
505
00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:51,831
She was just kinda lookin' down,
listening to me,
506
00:29:52,332 --> 00:29:54,959
and just tryin' to take it in.
507
00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:57,045
I was infuriated.
508
00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,966
I was really just angry right away
509
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:06,387
about the not thinking it through
on his part. Like...
510
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:09,182
Just such a selfish decision.
511
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:10,600
Now here we are
512
00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:15,438
potentially going to just, like,
lose everything, like, maybe we've built.
513
00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:16,981
[delicate piano music plays]
514
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:18,483
[quietly] Oh, wow.
515
00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:22,070
I kinda started questioning him.
"So did you meet up with anybody?" "No."
516
00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:25,156
- "You talk to anybody?" "Not really."
- [Sam] This was a couple years ago.
517
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,159
I never met with a single person before,
I never cheated on you.
518
00:30:28,243 --> 00:30:30,537
He was a little v... um, vague about...
519
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,539
He k... kept that pretty, like...
520
00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:36,125
Minimize. Like, "I did nothing.
Nothing happened, don't worry."
521
00:30:36,209 --> 00:30:39,295
And... and I... I kinda like latched
onto that.
522
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:45,134
But I still felt betrayed.
523
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:53,268
[Sam] We got on the airplane.
Nia's kind of visibly upset.
524
00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:56,104
For some reason,
Nia and I sit separately on the plane.
525
00:30:56,187 --> 00:30:57,188
I can't remember why.
526
00:30:57,272 --> 00:31:00,024
I remember saying,
"I don't wanna sit with you."
527
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:02,110
[sad piano music plays]
528
00:31:05,613 --> 00:31:07,407
There was just a lot of anger.
529
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,994
Like, "I've been a good wife.
I've been a good mother."
530
00:31:11,077 --> 00:31:14,998
There's just no reason, you know?
He's got everything he needs.
531
00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:18,209
Like, I... I... I'm there for him
in every way.
532
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:21,713
What in the world is missing
that he needs to go on this website?
533
00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:27,677
And at the same time,
I didn't want to get off the plane
534
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,513
and arrive at a convention
at odds with him.
535
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,182
I believed that he didn't do anything.
536
00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:37,270
I really, truly believed him,
and my heart wanted to forgive quickly.
537
00:31:38,187 --> 00:31:39,939
So maybe he got curious about it,
538
00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:44,402
and maybe I need to accept that he's got
some curiosities I didn't know about.
539
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,031
But he still didn't,
and it's like that part was still safe.
540
00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:53,369
[Sam] Plane lands, we're in Seattle.
541
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:57,165
She's like,
"Okay. So, what are we gonna do?"
542
00:31:58,374 --> 00:32:00,501
[Nia] We went to a hotel that night.
543
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:04,631
I remember sitting on the edge of the bed,
like so proud of myself.
544
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:07,091
Like, "I really am the best wife."
545
00:32:08,509 --> 00:32:11,179
I really felt like I outdid him
in that moment.
546
00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:14,223
Like, "You signed up
for the stupid, skeezy website,
547
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,185
and here I am working to forgive you,
548
00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:19,103
still going to be intimate with you."
549
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:21,648
Like, "What woman would be intimate
with you?"
550
00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:25,401
And thinking like,
"I'm winning at this marriage game."
551
00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:38,498
[Christi] I would say most people thought
we had a very happy marriage.
552
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:44,545
You can work so hard at an image,
553
00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:48,549
that you can make it very believable.
554
00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:52,720
You spend so much time building that,
555
00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,807
that you begin to believe
it's the reality.
556
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:57,892
[intriguing music plays]
557
00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:03,147
I remember hearing
that Ashley Madison had been hacked,
558
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:08,403
and it crossed my mind
that John's name might be there.
559
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:09,487
[projector clicks]
560
00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:13,241
He has always been a secret-keeper.
561
00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:16,703
But as secretive as John is,
562
00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:20,915
he wasn't very careful with his secrets.
563
00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:28,339
Early on, when I started seeing things
that made me wonder,
564
00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:31,926
that I wasn't real sure about,
that I had doubts about,
565
00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:36,097
I would just go,
"Wait, no, everything's okay."
566
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:37,807
"I must be imagining that."
567
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,644
"I must be creating something
that's not really there."
568
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:46,232
I think I gaslighted myself
as much as anything.
569
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:53,197
But there were just a few things that...
570
00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:56,743
that happened that I couldn't brush aside.
571
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:05,793
I discovered
some inappropriate relationships.
572
00:34:07,545 --> 00:34:12,467
I would come across a letter
from someone to him.
573
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,226
I think the letters
were one of the hardest things.
574
00:34:23,311 --> 00:34:24,604
That was our thing.
575
00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,273
And, um, that hurt.
576
00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:33,362
So when I first heard
about Ashley Madison,
577
00:34:33,446 --> 00:34:35,448
I tried to search for his name.
578
00:34:35,948 --> 00:34:37,867
And it wasn't quite that easy.
579
00:34:38,367 --> 00:34:42,371
There were hoops you had to jump through,
and I didn't wanna jump through them.
580
00:34:43,247 --> 00:34:47,543
I had reached a point where I'd realized,
581
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:50,963
"Christi, you're really not gonna do
anything about it."
582
00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:52,298
"So why know?"
583
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:59,555
So I just didn't look anymore,
hoping I was wrong.
584
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:05,812
[man] The only people that aren't
freaking out are probably lawyers,
585
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:08,106
'cause you can only imagine
the number of people
586
00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:11,776
that are gonna be taking
their significant other to divorce court.
587
00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:13,236
[manic piano music plays]
588
00:35:13,319 --> 00:35:19,909
Seeing the scale of the data
and how quickly the media picked up on it,
589
00:35:19,992 --> 00:35:22,411
it was a real gut punch.
590
00:35:22,495 --> 00:35:26,082
[reporter] The list of Ashley Madison
users being exposed is growing fast,
591
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:28,960
from school principals
to state prosecutors.
592
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:31,546
You had celebrities
being disgraced in... in public.
593
00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:34,423
Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi's husband
Jionni LaValle's e-mail
594
00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:36,884
was reportedly found
linked to the cheating site.
595
00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:39,595
{an8}[man] The reality television star
Josh Duggar
596
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,764
{an8}admits now he cheated on his wife.
597
00:35:41,848 --> 00:35:45,143
[woman] Real Housewives of New York
star Kristen Taekman's husband Josh
598
00:35:45,226 --> 00:35:49,021
has admitted he did indeed sign up
for what Ashley Madison was selling.
599
00:35:49,105 --> 00:35:53,568
Their clientele ranged from common folk
to the prominent people in society,
600
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:56,195
and some of them had, uh, status.
601
00:35:56,279 --> 00:36:00,658
{an8}WIRED magazine's reporting
that one analysis of the e-mail addresses
602
00:36:00,741 --> 00:36:06,038
{an8}shows that some 15,000 were dot-mil,
military e-mail addresses,
603
00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:08,040
{an8}or dot-gov addresses.
604
00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:12,378
{an8}[man] The son of Vice President Joe Biden
is responding after an unconfirmed report
605
00:36:12,461 --> 00:36:15,298
{an8}showed an Ashley Madison account
linked to his e-mail address.
606
00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:18,384
When you start seein' the names
on those lists,
607
00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,803
it could cause
some national-security issues.
608
00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,222
This could be the biggest hack
of all time.
609
00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:28,728
If not in raw numbers,
at least in terms of impact.
610
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:34,108
A lot of people were starting to receive,
um, threatening letters, blackmailing.
611
00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:36,319
{an8}Saying that if you pay me
X amount of dollars,
612
00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:38,404
{an8}I will clear your name
and any sort of trace
613
00:36:38,487 --> 00:36:40,823
{an8}that you ever had an account
with Ashley Madison.
614
00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:43,784
{an8}[Cathy] We wouldn't advise
to do it or not do it.
615
00:36:44,452 --> 00:36:48,539
{an8}But we would definitely suggest
that they change their password.
616
00:36:48,623 --> 00:36:50,750
{an8}If a company states a privacy policy,
617
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:53,252
{an8}they'd better stand by
that privacy policy.
618
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:55,004
{an8}They'll be out of business.
619
00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:56,297
Everyone was on edge.
620
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:59,592
There could be lawsuits,
there could be fines.
621
00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:04,513
[Evan] Noel still seemed to think
that he would come through it
622
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:06,307
and he would save his company.
623
00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:14,440
[Nia] Hair 101 with April here.
624
00:37:14,523 --> 00:37:16,317
- What do you think?
- [Nia] That looks cool.
625
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,777
The next day we wake up.
626
00:37:19,028 --> 00:37:20,905
So we go into the conference.
627
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:25,785
It's a convention for vloggers.
Like daily vloggers, weekly, whatever.
628
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:27,578
You can network, make new friends.
629
00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:30,122
[Sam] We were goin' about our day.
630
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:32,416
There were some comments
on Twitter about me,
631
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,752
but it's not goin' viral or anything.
632
00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:40,383
[Nia] And then it kinda shifted.
People were just kinda looking at us.
633
00:37:40,466 --> 00:37:41,801
[anxious music plays]
634
00:37:41,884 --> 00:37:44,762
And I see all these articles
start coming out about me.
635
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,598
{an8}That I was in the Ashley Madison dump.
636
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:53,145
{an8}Then another and another,
and this is within like ten minutes.
637
00:37:54,855 --> 00:37:56,274
"Oh gosh, it's happening."
638
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,192
{an8}Today we're sticking to one subject,
639
00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:00,778
{an8}the celebrity fallout
from the Ashley Madison hack.
640
00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:04,991
Christian blogger Sam Rader was found
on the master list as a subscriber.
641
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,827
[Nia] I felt so humiliated.
642
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:11,163
Just had this sense of,
like, all eyes on us.
643
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:14,041
I'm obviously the wife,
and so "poor her," you know?
644
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,168
Like, "I'm so sorry for her."
645
00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:20,006
And I was so annoyed,
like, that he put all this on me.
646
00:38:22,842 --> 00:38:26,345
[Sam] And I start getting tons of e-mails
from media outlets.
647
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,556
E-mail after e-mail, phone call.
648
00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:32,101
I just didn't say a word.
I kept completely silent.
649
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:37,773
It was just unbelievable to me
that I'm in the news for this.
650
00:38:38,691 --> 00:38:39,942
[sighs]
651
00:38:43,738 --> 00:38:47,074
It just didn't make any sense to me
that people cared.
652
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:51,454
If you do boast a moral high ground,
you get more attention when you're caught
653
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:53,831
on a website
with the sole purpose of adultery.
654
00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:56,584
The attitude toward people
using the website was...
655
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:59,587
It was an... it was an absolute witch hunt.
656
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:02,256
It certainly brings up echoes of,
657
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,345
in the past adulterers would have to wear
a scarlet letter A around their neck.
658
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:08,637
I just love this.
659
00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:14,810
{an8}I love the idea that people thought,
somehow, that there was a fail-safe method
660
00:39:14,894 --> 00:39:19,732
{an8}of going hunting for available women
when you were married,
661
00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:24,904
{an8}and somehow karma would not fall on you
like a ton of bricks.
662
00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:26,947
People started, uh, making websites
663
00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:30,076
that you could type a name
or e-mail address into the search bar,
664
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,454
and it would tell you if that person
had an account on the website.
665
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:36,707
{an8}Now what you're seeing,
this happened in the last couple hours,
666
00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:38,125
{an8}people are taking this data
667
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,336
{an8}and making it easy to find
on the open web.
668
00:39:40,419 --> 00:39:43,214
Different media outlets
took different approaches with this.
669
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:47,551
I think one that took it the farthest
was an Australian radio station
670
00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:51,514
that invited people to call in,
provide their partner's e-mail address,
671
00:39:51,597 --> 00:39:54,975
and they would look up whether or not
their partner had been on the site,
672
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:56,268
live on the air.
673
00:39:57,686 --> 00:39:59,313
[boat horn blares]
674
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:00,731
[dramatic music plays]
675
00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:03,668
[Australian man 1] All right, now, Jo,
you've rung us.
676
00:40:03,692 --> 00:40:05,778
You're suspicious about your partner.
677
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:08,614
[Australian woman] Yeah. When I heard it,
I thought I should ring up.
678
00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:12,618
His hours have changed.
He's following very close to him now.
679
00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:15,204
Bits of money, where have they gone?
Not really sure.
680
00:40:15,287 --> 00:40:17,790
[Australian man 1] Okay.
We've got his details here.
681
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:21,502
Um, and his details have revealed
682
00:40:22,128 --> 00:40:24,547
that he's actually on the website, Jo.
683
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,341
[Australian woman] Are you serious?
684
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:30,219
- [Australian man 1] Yeah, I'm sorry.
- Are you kidding me?
685
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:32,138
[Australian man] Yeah. No, no, we... Yeah.
686
00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:34,223
[Australian woman] These websites
are disgusting.
687
00:40:34,306 --> 00:40:36,434
[Australian man 1] Yeah... Oh, Jo's gone.
688
00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:39,145
[Australian man 2] I dunno
if we should've done that.
689
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:44,358
This practice in terms of, uh, you know,
the witch hunt,
690
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,819
of accusing people,
trying to publicly shame them,
691
00:40:46,902 --> 00:40:49,697
I think went way, way too far.
692
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:51,782
[foreboding music plays]
693
00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:03,586
[Christi] I woke up that morning
just like any other morning.
694
00:41:04,336 --> 00:41:06,797
The first thing I smell is the coffee.
695
00:41:07,548 --> 00:41:09,633
And I know John's in the kitchen.
696
00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:13,929
And we were standing in the kitchen,
talking over our coffee.
697
00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,598
We made plans for dinner.
698
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:19,643
He reminded me
we had some leftovers in the fridge,
699
00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:22,855
and I said,
"Leftovers sounds good, let's eat that."
700
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:25,608
Then I went to work.
701
00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:34,283
Later on, I got home
and a friend met me at the house,
702
00:41:34,366 --> 00:41:37,786
and we stood in the driveway
and talked for a little while.
703
00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:42,917
She said, "I hear something.
Is there a phone in there that's ringing?"
704
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,421
And she eventually left
and I went on inside.
705
00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:54,053
So I began to sense
that things weren't right.
706
00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:57,556
John wasn't in the kitchen.
707
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,227
I went to the kitchen, he wasn't there,
which is where he would've been.
708
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,438
So I began looking
around the house for him.
709
00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:07,441
Went upstairs.
710
00:42:09,902 --> 00:42:11,487
Looked in our room.
711
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:14,448
He wasn't there.
712
00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,703
And when I made it to the garage,
713
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:22,581
um...
714
00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:26,710
That's where I found him.
715
00:42:31,423 --> 00:42:35,177
I realized the sound
that my friend was hearing
716
00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:38,722
was the carbon monoxide alarm going off.
717
00:42:38,806 --> 00:42:41,475
[beeping]
718
00:42:42,601 --> 00:42:45,396
I immediately rushed over to him.
719
00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:50,734
I checked his pulse at his neck,
I checked his pulse in his arms.
720
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:55,406
I felt his skin,
and he was cold to the touch.
721
00:42:56,156 --> 00:42:58,200
He had been gone for a while.
722
00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:05,124
I just sat there.
723
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:07,626
I didn't know what to do.
724
00:43:09,628 --> 00:43:12,131
I was in shock. I was in shock.
725
00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:16,594
Not a day I ever imagined.
726
00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:19,346
Not a day
I would ever wanna live through again.
727
00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:22,600
It was horrible.
728
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:36,071
I went back inside to find my phone
and called my friend,
729
00:43:36,155 --> 00:43:42,494
and even in talking to her,
I couldn't say the words
730
00:43:42,578 --> 00:43:44,163
"John is dead."
731
00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:47,082
I said, "I... I... I think John is dead."
732
00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:56,508
Because we lived within our community,
my house just immediately filled up.
733
00:43:59,553 --> 00:44:03,849
In the course of all that,
I remember the moment...
734
00:44:03,932 --> 00:44:07,645
I remember somebody sitting down
735
00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:13,651
and said, "Christi, we need to tell you
a little bit about what happened today."
736
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,362
[mysterious music plays]
737
00:44:19,948 --> 00:44:21,200
He went to work.
738
00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:26,664
He was told that he had an appointment
with the council that were his bosses.
739
00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:29,667
And he went to the meeting,
740
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:37,132
and they let him know that his name
had been on the Ashley Madison website.
741
00:44:38,717 --> 00:44:42,888
And the way they described it,
he was in tears,
742
00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:46,809
and, um, did not try to deny it
in any way.
743
00:44:46,892 --> 00:44:50,896
Just said, "Yes,
and I know you need my resignation."
744
00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:53,482
And that he turned it in.
745
00:44:56,568 --> 00:45:01,740
This was a school
for people studying to be in the ministry,
746
00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:04,618
and he was from
three generations of pastors.
747
00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:07,621
He couldn't walk into a classroom
at a seminary
748
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:10,499
and continue to teach with this known.
749
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:16,755
To realize that his name
was on Ashley Madison,
750
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:20,676
that realization, I think,
was very shocking for people.
751
00:45:23,887 --> 00:45:26,932
I'm sure there are people
who are angry about Ashley Madison.
752
00:45:27,015 --> 00:45:28,308
[intriguing music plays]
753
00:45:28,392 --> 00:45:30,894
But I blame the secrecy.
754
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,858
The cancer of shame
that was eating away at him.
755
00:45:39,027 --> 00:45:44,450
As far as the people
who just were poring over that list
756
00:45:44,533 --> 00:45:48,203
and looking for names, and the witch hunt,
757
00:45:48,287 --> 00:45:51,540
there's just a self-righteousness in that
758
00:45:51,623 --> 00:45:57,671
that I think assumes that
you are without sin and without fault.
759
00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:03,844
And when the men
were stoning the woman caught in adultery,
760
00:46:03,927 --> 00:46:08,640
Jesus said, "Let you who is without sin
cast the first stone."
761
00:46:08,724 --> 00:46:11,685
And I don't think any of us is qualified.
762
00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:25,365
[Sam] So Nia and I,
we get back to our Airbnb,
763
00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:30,162
and then we started getting pressure
from all directions to publish a response.
764
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:33,290
From our viewers, like,
"Sam, tell us what's going on."
765
00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:35,292
"Is this real? True? What's happening?"
766
00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:37,503
Hey, guys, as you may have seen,
767
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:41,548
my name has been associated
with an Ashley Madison account.
768
00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:46,720
A website made for spouses
who wanna have an affair.
769
00:46:47,513 --> 00:46:52,309
Um, I'm here to clarify some of this
with you guys because I owe it to you.
770
00:46:52,976 --> 00:46:57,356
Um, I did make the account.
I made the account two years ago.
771
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:59,775
This was brought to my wife's attention.
772
00:46:59,858 --> 00:47:05,531
She has forgiven me for this mistake
that I made in opening the account.
773
00:47:05,614 --> 00:47:08,575
Um, I've sought forgiveness to God,
and he's forgiven me.
774
00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:10,953
So I've been completely cleansed
of this sin.
775
00:47:11,036 --> 00:47:13,747
And also, I need to c... I need to be clear
776
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:17,876
that I've never met with a single person
face-to-face through that website,
777
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,338
and that I never had an affair
with anybody ever
778
00:47:21,421 --> 00:47:23,423
while I've been married with Nia.
779
00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:25,300
I did feel like it was his mess to fix.
780
00:47:25,384 --> 00:47:28,762
I felt like, "You got yourself into this
and put us in this position."
781
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,265
Take responsibility
and do the majority of speaking.
782
00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:35,811
This is what the atonement's all about,
forgiveness and second chances.
783
00:47:35,894 --> 00:47:37,563
And I just wanna add too, guys,
784
00:47:37,646 --> 00:47:40,649
I have forgiven Sam,
and I stand behind him.
785
00:47:40,732 --> 00:47:43,235
Marriage is the real deal,
and it's been sealed,
786
00:47:43,318 --> 00:47:44,778
and it's worth fighting for.
787
00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:46,113
It always will be.
788
00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:50,075
So... [exhales] Oh, gosh.
789
00:47:50,158 --> 00:47:52,369
[quiet music plays]
790
00:47:52,452 --> 00:47:56,623
Yeah, so the aim was
to put an end to it and be done,
791
00:47:56,707 --> 00:48:00,210
and continue our lives as it was
before this came out.
792
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:03,881
And I would say
it was pretty effective in doing that.
793
00:48:06,466 --> 00:48:08,677
[Nia] I'm really clinging
794
00:48:09,428 --> 00:48:15,267
to just this naive
and really hopeful place
795
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:20,772
of like, this is what is necessary
for us to move forward.
796
00:48:20,856 --> 00:48:22,858
[dramatic music plays]
797
00:48:25,652 --> 00:48:27,654
[Sam] But after uploading it,
798
00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:32,451
the convictions like hit me
like a ton of bricks.
799
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:38,206
I knew how phony that video was
in the moment.
800
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,584
Like, I... I knew what I was doing.
801
00:48:41,919 --> 00:48:43,253
I kept ignoring it.
802
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,010
Nia had forgiven me, for sure,
right in that moment.
803
00:48:56,016 --> 00:49:00,103
But Nia had no idea what
she was actually gonna have to forgive.
804
00:49:00,854 --> 00:49:02,022
[sniffles]
805
00:49:15,243 --> 00:49:17,704
[Evan] I just remember it was everywhere.
806
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:20,624
We were all over the news.
807
00:49:21,583 --> 00:49:23,835
The media was relentless.
808
00:49:23,919 --> 00:49:26,546
[man] Ashley Madison was a bad business.
I didn't like it.
809
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:30,050
So the fact that they'll probably
go out of business is good.
810
00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:33,804
On one hand, I thought,
"This is completely catastrophic."
811
00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:35,930
"This is it."
812
00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,519
I think a lot of people
felt Ashley Madison, ya know, got hacked,
813
00:49:40,602 --> 00:49:43,897
it's like, "Oh, Ted Bundy
got killed in a car accident."
814
00:49:43,981 --> 00:49:45,649
It's like, who gives a shit?
815
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:47,275
On the flip side,
816
00:49:47,901 --> 00:49:53,657
I also saw signs
that any press could mean good press.
817
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:55,659
All the world was talking about it.
818
00:49:55,742 --> 00:49:56,576
{an8}Ashley Madison.
819
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:58,537
{an8}- Ashley Madison.
- Ashley Madison.
820
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:04,001
The website saw traffic
at levels that were never seen before.
821
00:50:04,084 --> 00:50:07,546
They say, ya know, negative publicity
is good publicity.
822
00:50:07,629 --> 00:50:09,840
I think that was the idea.
People were curious.
823
00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:13,927
The history of the company
has always been a lot of media attention,
824
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:18,473
and that led me to think that maybe
that was just the whole purpose of it.
825
00:50:18,557 --> 00:50:21,810
{an8}Why? Do we know anything
about why the hackers did this?
826
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:25,105
{an8}It's interesting.
I hadn't heard of this hacker group.
827
00:50:25,188 --> 00:50:28,567
{an8}Not many people had.
They call themselves the Impact Team.
828
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:31,903
There were never any demands for money.
829
00:50:31,987 --> 00:50:37,034
{an8}She says she's never heard of this group,
but you can assume they want publicity.
830
00:50:37,117 --> 00:50:39,077
Maybe this was a publicity stunt.
831
00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:42,330
Okay. Is the company responsible for this?
832
00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:45,751
As I said, talk good about me,
talk bad about me,
833
00:50:45,834 --> 00:50:47,335
but please talk about me.
834
00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:51,089
[André] I have a total open mindset.
835
00:50:51,673 --> 00:50:55,677
So everybody is a suspect
until, uh, they are not.
836
00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:59,890
And that's when I started to ask myself,
837
00:50:59,973 --> 00:51:03,226
is Noel capable of doing that?
838
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:15,072
[cheerful music plays]
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