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So my April Fool's Day prank plan is
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to put some jelly
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behind the refrigerator handle.
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Then she's gonna come over here
to the sink, turn it on
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and...
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And get sprayed in the face.
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Ew, Samuel! Oh my gosh!
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- What?
- I hate jelly on my hands!
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{an8}Samuel Paul Rader!
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{an8}April Fool's!
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{an8}Oh my gosh!
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{an8}After the
Frozen video went viral,
a lot of people were like,
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"You have a cute family.
You should blog, you should vlog."
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We're not really shy,
we're both personable people.
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We're like, "We could do this,
this would be a lot of fun."
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Well, hey!
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And we just started.
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We're on our way to the FC Dallas game.
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Yes!
This doesn't look very good.
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Sam knew the... ya know, the YouTube scene,
I guess.
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He kinda knew how to title things
and, like, how to create a legit video,
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and our channel started to, like, thrive.
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{an8}
It's that time of the week again,
Symphony and I are going exploring.
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The response was really good.
We were putting out videos day after day.
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Good morning, guys!
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Good morning!
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How's everybody doing?
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Our following just started amassing.
We got more and more subscribers.
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It was insane.
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Nice to meet you.
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You guys are the two things
we watch as a family.
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For us, vlogging was just
showing other families
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what it looked like to live for the Lord.
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Even people
who have not been introduced to God,
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they're being introduced to God
through the love we're demonstrating.
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I really like to be outside with the kids
for at least... Ahhh!
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The most exciting thing for me
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was that now Sam
is present with the camera.
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I was no longer going
to the grocery store alone.
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Cooking breakfast became,
like, a family affair.
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Everything was just like,
"Life is awesome now."
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Ashley Madison was behind me.
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But I had no idea what was coming.
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It was just a regular day
going into work.
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I was starting at nine.
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When we walked into the office,
everyone was just like standing around,
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and we were told
not to touch our computers.
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Then we,
in our customer-service morning meeting,
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found out that there was a hack.
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{an8}We had an overnight customer-service rep,
and the message popped up on her screen.
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"We are the Impact Team."
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"We have taken over all systems
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in your entire office
and production domains."
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"Ashley Madison must shut down
immediately, permanently."
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We got hacked.
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I mean, it was just crazy.
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It was blackmail.
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"If you don't shut down your business,
we're going
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{an8}to make public
everybody in your databases,
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{an8}all of their addresses,
all of their credit-card information,
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{an8}and all of their sexual fantasies."
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If that information got out,
this would ruin a lot of people's lives.
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I went in to talk to Noel
and the top executives.
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There was a lot of anger in that room,
Noel was pissed.
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If it hit the press,
it would've been devastating.
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Up until that point,
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Noel's focus was taking the company public
on the stock exchange.
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{an8}For an investor,
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{an8}if you believe online dating
is here to stay,
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{an8}then Ashley Madison
becomes a very safe bet.
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We were excited.
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{an8}The IPO was gonna mean
we would make a shitload of money,
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{an8}and he didn't want anything to stop that,
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{an8}so we would never shut down.
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We were very secretive
about what happened.
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No press and certainly no police.
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We had to figure out who hacked us
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before they released the database.
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Noel was not fearful.
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He was like, "We have really bright guys,
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we're gonna bring in
some other bright guys."
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He got on the phone
with these specialists from Sweden.
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I get a call from Canada,
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and they informed me
that Ashley Madison has been compromised.
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Most of my clients
are like government agencies.
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It's, uh, national security-related.
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Offensive security.
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{an8}So more... more attack
than defense, basically.
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Ashley Madison wanted me to fly over,
and I decided to call my friend André.
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The first time I heard about Joel
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{an8}was when I was working
for the, uh, Swedish Security Services.
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They were suspecting Joel
of a computer breach.
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He's the best hacker I know in the world.
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They keep sliding down.
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The thing is, I usually like work,
you know, leaned back.
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Yeah.
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Well, he's......in the top ten.
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Joel called me about the data breach,
and we agreed that I should join him.
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Before I went over to Canada,
I did not know anything about the site.
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I don't judge, I'm a Swede.
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We're... we're quite liberal.
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I arrived in Toronto
at Ashley Madison.
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It was obviously a bit chaotic.
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Everyone was wondering what is going on
and who... who was behind it.
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All I remember
is coming into the office
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{an8}and seeing a team of individuals
I've never seen before.
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I was pretty young and junior,
so, for me, I was completely in the dark.
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Then I met
the man in charge, Noel.
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He did not know what to do,
so he was a bit lost.
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I could not see
that there was an investigation ongoing.
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There was no contact with law enforcement.
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I took charge.
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The mandate I got from Noel
was find the data and secure the data.
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I think he was the most determined
anybody would be for anything.
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I think he felt
Ashley Madison was his baby,
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and his baby had a brain tumor,
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and it needed to get resolved
or the baby was gonna die.
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The mood was very intense.
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The company had a daily revenue
of like a quarter of a million.
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So that was at stake here.
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But also the integrity
of 40 million users of the site.
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People using this service, having affairs.
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It was a lot of people's private life
that was on the balance here.
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In a close-knit community,
you are known.
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{an8}And there is a lot good about being known,
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{an8}and there's a lot that's not so good
about being known.
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If you've got something to hide
it's not so great,
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or if you wanna get away with something,
um, it's not so great.
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For 30 years I lived in New Orleans,
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where my husband was a professor
at New Orleans Seminary,
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and I worked on staff at a church.
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I met John when I was 23.
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I was visiting with some friends,
and they invited John over.
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I liked him. He was funny.
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He was smart,
and he was super friendly and outgoing.
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And so we just begin writing
back and forth.
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I would get so excited
about a letter coming.
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This was before e-mail,
it was before all of that.
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John is an incredible letter writer.
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He was very idealistic,
and I felt like we wanted the same things.
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By the time I was 24, we married.
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I was just full of hope
that I was gonna have this perfect life.
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And yes, we would encounter trials.
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But I would've never,
in a million years, have imagined
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that Ashley Madison would've played
a part in our marriage.
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At the office there was a space
that they called the Clinton Room,
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and that was a conference room
in back of the office
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that we commandeered
and where we set up our headquarters.
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The boardroom was relatively close
to the customer-service area.
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There's a lot of commotion,
people going in and out,
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pacing of higher-ups going back and forth.
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Everything was still expected to get done.
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So needless to say
it was stressful and quite distracting
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tryin' to juggle this unknown
that was going on
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with everything else we had to do.
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Every investigation
is a challenge,
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and the challenge is finding the answer.
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So it's like a treasure hunt.
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There were things working against us.
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When we arrived to Ashley Madison,
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it seemed to me they were doing things
like erasing hard drives.
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They were probably
trying to secure the systems
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so they could lock out the hacker.
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Like, if something is suspicious,
okay, then wipe it.
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Wipe the laptop, wipe the...
And I'm like, "No!"
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This is exactly what
we need to be looking at.
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But at least no data
had been leaked yet.
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The first thing to look at
was the hackers' initial message.
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Of course it's important,
because that's a clue.
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{an8}They had called themselves
the Impact Team.
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{an8}They were not after any money
or recognition.
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I think it's a very...
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...ideologically, um,
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motivated attack.
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My first feeling was maybe
some religious zealot.
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There was watercooler conversation
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that it might've been
a disgruntled customer.
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Somebody who found out
that their spouse was using the website.
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But it was clear that
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with a service such as this,
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you piss off a lot of people.
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To find the traces,
the fingerprints,
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of whoever has done this,
you always go to the log files
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because that's the record
of what has happened in... in the past
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for that computer network.
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We can see the time and what account
has been used to log into the system.
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I spent most of my time
analyzing these logs.
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And then I had found something
that was quite interesting.
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So in the log file,
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I could see the hackers had connected
using software
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as if they were an employee,
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with a very specific version.
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And that particular version
had only been used
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by a previous contractor.
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And that contractor
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didn't work for Ashley Madison
at the time when they connected.
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We could already link them
to unauthorized activity.
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To me, it was quite clear
that this had significance.
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But then, suddenly,
things got really bad for Ashley Madison.
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{an8}New this morning,
millions of cheating husbands and wives
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{an8}should be on edge right now.
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The Impact Team released
the public statement on the Internet.
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The hack had been our secret,
and now everybody had found out.
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Their names
and other sensitive information
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could soon be exposed.
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Hackers have attacked
the dating website Ashley Madison.
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It got picked up by media,
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and it was a complete frenzy.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million users.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million users.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million.
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{an8}Thirty-seven million people right now
biting their fingernails.
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{an8}If this is revealed...
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I remember, uh, getting assigned
to cover that story.
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{an8}Just a sense of,
is there a bomb that's about to go off?
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{an8}
They call themselves Impact Team.
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"Shutting down AM will cost you,
non-compliance will cost you more."
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If you're a hacker,
sometimes you steal data,
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you sell it,
you do everything in the shadows.
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{an8}These guys, they had a demand,
they wanted it to be known,
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{an8}and not just to the company,
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{an8}but to basically everybody else
on the Internet.
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This is not a site to share recipes,
it's to share sexual fantasies and photos.
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Okay, th... this is... this is...
this is fucking bad.
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- I'm waiting for the fun to begin on this.
- Yeah.
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- Could be horrible.
- Whose name will be on it?
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It was all over the place.
Late night making jokes.
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Isn't that like everyone? Isn't that like...
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I mean, really.
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Walmart doesn't have 37 million customers.
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Noel's like,
"I can't believe this has happened."
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The IPO is gonna be blown up.
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Now, the threat was to comply
within a certain time window.
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They gave us 30 days to shut down
or they would release, uh, the data.
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Ultimately, now Ashley Madison
has a decision to make.
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Now the clock was ticking, 30 days,
237
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because then they were gonna release
the database,
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and nobody had any doubt
that they had the database,
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and they would release it.
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Nobody had any doubt of that.
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That's when
the phone calls started.
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Hundreds a day.
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Everyone wanted to know
what information was out there.
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Do they really have my address?
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Do they have access to my profile pics?
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I had sympathy for them, of course.
247
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We promised discretion and privacy,
and that didn't happen.
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So it was heartbreaking
to see customers going through that.
249
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I heard about the hack.
The title appeared on Yahoo! News.
250
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I didn't wanna consider it.
251
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It would have just completely decimated
my reputation, especially as a Christian.
252
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I would've been known
for the opposite of what I stood for.
253
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So I just... Nope, not even going there.
254
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Also, Nia and I were trying
for another baby.
255
00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:16,808
Hey, guys.
256
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Trying to hide from Nia.
257
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So I've had this dream
about announcing Nia's pregnancy to her.
258
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I wanted to find out before she does.
259
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I have a specimen.
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I have a specimen.
I knew it would be there.
261
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It's a pretty clear sample.
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Two lines is "pregnant."
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Oh my gosh!
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Oh!
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I felt kinda wrong.
266
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Like I had this information
I'm not allowed to have
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before a woman has it.
268
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Good morning.
269
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Can you pick something
out of my top pocket right there?
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- Pull it out.
- Oh my gosh.
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Pull it out.
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Oh gosh, you are so funny.
273
00:16:56,056 --> 00:16:59,143
Oh, you brought a positive one home?
You're so silly.
274
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The joke's on her, right, guys?
275
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What did you do?
Did you get a dropper out of the toilet?
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- No, you didn't.
- I did.
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No way. Are you serious right now?
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Her reaction is just priceless.
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She, like, freaked out.
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I couldn't believe what was happening.
281
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Like, has any guy in history
ever been able to surprise the wife?
282
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It never happens that way.
283
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There's a baby in my tummy.
284
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I uploaded the video and called it
"Husband Shocks Wife with Pregnancy."
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This is not fair!
286
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That day, the video
has this massive spike in views.
287
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It took off right away.
288
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This was like next level
from what we had seen,
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and we were getting calls
from local news stations.
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{an8}She wrote me at work,
"I'm two weeks late."
291
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{an8}I was like,
"Oh, wow, I gotta get on this."
292
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{an8}So I took some pregnancy tests home
that... that morning.
293
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This was good for Sam.
294
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He could quit his job
and do this full-time.
295
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We are about to start an interview
with RTL Television.
296
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We were living in the public now,
and suddenly I felt so vulnerable.
297
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Oh, ho!
298
00:18:05,834 --> 00:18:07,086
Samuel!
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If my name was discovered
in the Ashley Madison dump, I'm done.
300
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That's it for me and my marriage.
301
00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:41,578
{an8}I was sitting in my office
at police headquarters,
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{an8}and I was reading
the
Toronto Sun newspaper.
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That's when I heard
about Ashley Madison bein' hacked.
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"Life is short, have an affair."
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Yes, I mean,
it was obviously, uh, what that was for.
306
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I mean, it was for hookups.
307
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One-night stands, maybe a week stands.
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The hackers say they don't just have
the records, each person's profile.
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They also have the financial information.
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This hack, it's criminal stuff.
311
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So we went to Ashley Madison.
312
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I wanted to get a clearer picture.
313
00:19:14,736 --> 00:19:16,488
I met with the CEO.
314
00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:20,993
We found out they hired
a cybersecurity team from Europe.
315
00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:26,373
I wanted to inform Ashley Madison
the cooperation that was required.
316
00:19:28,125 --> 00:19:31,712
But a lot of stuff was not bein' shared.
317
00:19:32,296 --> 00:19:36,925
I don't think that any company would allow
the police in with an open door.
318
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Their focus was the damage control
more than anything.
319
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,645
It was an enormous pressure
from the board on Noel to get this fixed.
320
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Earlier this spring the company
was talking about going public.
321
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I think this pushes those plans back.
322
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The sense of urgency went up.
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00:19:59,406 --> 00:20:02,409
They'd already identified
a potential suspect.
324
00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:08,457
So we set up a phone conversation,
and he agreed to meet us.
325
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,209
So we needed to have a plan.
326
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Noel and the board wanted
to have this meeting on the same day
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and get the information back
as soon as possible.
328
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I was told later on that matters
were taken in their own hands.
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Their focus was making it go away
at whatever resources they could afford.
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As soon as we had a place to meet,
331
00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:37,778
Noel sent me
for this meeting with the suspect.
332
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At that point, I really thought
that things were quite promising.
333
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And I met him and had a coffee.
334
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He was very nervous, of course,
335
00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:02,302
and he was like,
"I had nothing to do with this."
336
00:21:02,844 --> 00:21:03,720
After a while,
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he starts to realize that we have
information that was pointing at him.
338
00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:11,103
So he understood that.
So his demeanor changed.
339
00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:17,067
He admitted readily to them about
the previous breeches into the system.
340
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:21,446
But at this time,
he's still not saying
341
00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:23,824
that he is involved with the hack.
342
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,998
He was offered monies
to help pay his mortgage off
343
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if information would not be released
to the general public.
344
00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:39,756
They had a lot to lose as a company.
345
00:21:40,632 --> 00:21:44,261
But, uh, at the end of the day,
the money didn't talk.
346
00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:46,430
He denied being involved.
347
00:21:49,516 --> 00:21:52,311
Yeah, it... it's frustrating.
348
00:21:53,729 --> 00:21:56,732
After, of course,
we phoned up the office
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and told them what the outcome
of that conversation was.
350
00:22:01,903 --> 00:22:04,865
I think Noel was disappointed.
351
00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,870
But the contractor
was not taking responsibility.
352
00:22:10,454 --> 00:22:12,998
Of course, it may not have been him.
353
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:17,127
It could have been someone else
using their credentials.
354
00:22:17,961 --> 00:22:19,880
We need to gather more evidence.
355
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:24,426
When we, the Toronto Police,
got search warrants
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00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:28,055
and finally go
and interview this gentleman,
357
00:22:28,138 --> 00:22:30,682
by then he was, uh, involved
with a lawyer.
358
00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:33,769
When he did not confess
to the police,
359
00:22:33,852 --> 00:22:36,438
they could not hold him
on these circumstances.
360
00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:42,110
We were hampered
and hindered with this suspect
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because there was a promise of monies
being offered to this individual.
362
00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:50,077
I would have did a different approach.
363
00:22:50,994 --> 00:22:52,329
There's so many options,
364
00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:56,500
but those options were limited to almost
nonexistent with this gentleman.
365
00:22:57,501 --> 00:23:00,420
Then there was not much more
that the police could do,
366
00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:02,881
and that was the end
of that investigation.
367
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,469
So we needed to find other leads
to investigate.
368
00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:11,723
We were starting
to interview certain employees
369
00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:16,019
that were kinda identified
as maybe potentially havin' knowledge
370
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:17,229
or bein' involved.
371
00:23:17,854 --> 00:23:21,858
So we were looking at person X
and person Y and so on.
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00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,236
Some were dismissed, uh, right away,
373
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,239
some were more
of an ongoing investigation.
374
00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:32,661
There was a lot of leads
that did not go anywhere.
375
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:33,954
That was disappointing.
376
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:39,000
The police were not able
to get anything done.
377
00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:41,795
Our team was not
really getting too much done.
378
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:47,551
Noel and the board members
would never give up millions of dollars
379
00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:48,634
in revenue.
380
00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:51,221
So we had to play chicken.
381
00:23:53,682 --> 00:23:56,893
We knew that if there was any truth
behind the Impact Team,
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00:23:56,977 --> 00:24:00,814
of their actual threat,
it was now just a waiting period.
383
00:24:00,897 --> 00:24:02,858
We were bracing.
384
00:24:02,941 --> 00:24:09,531
Our legal department, our PR machine,
we were waiting, holding our breath.
385
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:15,829
Maybe hoping we'd come back the next day,
turn on our computers, and it'd say,
386
00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:19,124
"This is the Impact Team,
we're just kidding."
387
00:24:19,207 --> 00:24:20,750
Likely.
388
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:47,027
The hackers
who stole private data
389
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:52,407
from the cheating website Ashley Madison
just followed through on their threat.
390
00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,243
The whole dataset
was released to the world.
391
00:24:55,827 --> 00:25:00,123
E-mails, names,
credit-card transactions, and much more
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00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:03,084
reportedly leaked
onto the so-called dark web.
393
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,879
This was the outcome that nobody wanted.
394
00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:07,506
Another story we're following.
395
00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:09,758
It could spell trouble
for the millions of users
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00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:12,093
of the cheating website Ashley Madison.
397
00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,930
{an8}Tonight, thanks to hackers,
a lot of secrets are out.
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00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:17,182
{an8}It's a worldwide victimization.
399
00:25:17,265 --> 00:25:20,810
{an8}It's now left many South Africans
in a somewhat uncomfortable position.
400
00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:28,777
I had not witnessed any other
personal hacks of this magnitude
401
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,445
ever happen anywhere in the world.
402
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:34,199
{an8}It's the type of data that's not meant
to be shared with the general public.
403
00:25:34,282 --> 00:25:35,534
It was chaos.
404
00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:42,791
{an8}It was one step forward,
10,000 steps backwards.
405
00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:46,253
You can't put the genie back in the bottle
once the data is out there.
406
00:25:46,336 --> 00:25:48,380
- The damage is done.
- Really scary.
407
00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:51,508
Noel couldn't believe
what was happening.
408
00:25:51,591 --> 00:25:55,345
It was like they cut off Ashley Madison
at the knees.
409
00:25:55,428 --> 00:26:00,475
Everything we had worked so hard for
was all just blowing up.
410
00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:11,695
You see and witness what some
of these clients place in their profile.
411
00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:14,823
A lot of people
were talkin' about three-way sex.
412
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,950
Most was two females and a male,
413
00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:20,704
but a lot of these gentlemen wanted
to have sex with a male and a female.
414
00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:24,958
Uh, there's people that wanted
to be urinated on, defecated on.
415
00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:29,879
In 2015, journalists were still grappling
with the idea
416
00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:35,385
of whether they should even download
or use data that was stolen by hackers.
417
00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:37,262
{an8}I'm sure you're going through it.
418
00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:39,139
{an8}Yeah. Yeah.
419
00:26:39,222 --> 00:26:42,892
{an8}I mean, this is true, I am looking
through it for journalistic purposes.
420
00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:44,978
But the question that matters is,
421
00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,355
is there anything in here
that's in the public interest,
422
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:48,898
that people should know?
423
00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:51,443
Everyone was digging through it,
looking for dirt,
424
00:26:51,526 --> 00:26:53,862
uh, looking for names that they recognize.
425
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,831
When I saw that the Impact Team
had decided to come out with the data,
426
00:27:04,914 --> 00:27:05,832
I got worried.
427
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:10,295
Nia and I were at the airport.
428
00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:13,089
We were headed
to a vlogger fair in Seattle.
429
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,925
It's a conference for vloggers,
family vloggers.
430
00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:20,513
And then name after name
started coming out.
431
00:27:21,681 --> 00:27:25,185
State attorney Jeff Ashton
had a membership to the website.
432
00:27:25,268 --> 00:27:28,480
I deeply regret
my affiliation with the site,
433
00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:33,151
which has caused a great amount of stress
and heartache to my wife and children.
434
00:27:35,028 --> 00:27:37,155
That's when I did start freakin' out
a little.
435
00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:41,201
And I'm scrolling Twitter,
makin' sure that my name was safe,
436
00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:43,745
and I was just, like, hoping for the best.
437
00:27:45,538 --> 00:27:47,165
And then as I'm scrolling,
438
00:27:47,248 --> 00:27:50,877
I see this obscure account
made this tweet that says,
439
00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:56,633
"Did I just scoop that Sam Rader
was found in the Ashley Madison dump?"
440
00:27:59,719 --> 00:28:00,719
I was like...
441
00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:03,598
I couldn't believe what I was reading.
442
00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:11,564
I feel like it was probably the closest
I've ever come to... to passing out
443
00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,360
from just seeing something
or reading something.
444
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,029
Everything just disappears around me.
445
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:21,324
I felt a sudden sense of doom
446
00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:23,993
and that my life was over.
447
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:29,582
We're about to sit down to eat
at a Chili's inside of the airport,
448
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:32,836
and so I make the decision
somewhere right there.
449
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:35,755
I have to tell Nia before she reads this,
before she finds out.
450
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,632
How the heck am I gonna tell her this?
451
00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:44,222
I think it was like six at night
by this point.
452
00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:45,515
I had not eaten that day,
453
00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:49,519
and I was just, like, on the menu,
like really invested.
454
00:28:49,602 --> 00:28:51,896
What are we getting?
Let's get this quickly.
455
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:53,440
I look over, Sam's on his phone,
456
00:28:54,232 --> 00:28:58,319
and he looks very serious
and intent about what he's reading.
457
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,741
I just put my hands on the table.
She can tell something's really wrong.
458
00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:04,451
The waiter came, he took our order,
459
00:29:04,534 --> 00:29:08,163
and after that
I remember Sam leaning forward.
460
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:11,124
His body language was kind of like inward,
461
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:14,002
like he didn't want anybody to hear
what he was about to say.
462
00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:18,673
And he said,
"I have something to tell you."
463
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:25,346
"There's a website where married people
can go to have an affair,
464
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:29,142
and stupidly I had an account for that,
465
00:29:29,225 --> 00:29:34,773
and someone has hacked
into Ashley Madison,
466
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,860
and a list of names
is being leaked, like, right now,
467
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,780
and my name was just exposed on Twitter."
468
00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:51,831
She was just kinda lookin' down,
listening to me,
469
00:29:52,332 --> 00:29:54,959
and just tryin' to take it in.
470
00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:57,045
I was infuriated.
471
00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,966
I was really just angry right away
472
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:06,387
about the not thinking it through
on his part. Like...
473
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:09,182
Just such a selfish decision.
474
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:10,600
Now here we are
475
00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:15,438
potentially going to just, like,
lose everything, like, maybe we've built.
476
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:18,483
Oh, wow.
477
00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:22,070
I kinda started questioning him.
"So did you meet up with anybody?" "No."
478
00:30:22,153 --> 00:30:25,156
- "You talk to anybody?" "Not really."
- This was a couple years ago.
479
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,159
I never met with a single person before,
I never cheated on you.
480
00:30:28,243 --> 00:30:30,537
He was a little v... um, vague about...
481
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,539
He k... kept that pretty, like...
482
00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:36,125
Minimize. Like, "I did nothing.
Nothing happened, don't worry."
483
00:30:36,209 --> 00:30:39,295
And... and I... I kinda like latched
onto that.
484
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:45,134
But I still felt betrayed.
485
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:53,268
We got on the airplane.
Nia's kind of visibly upset.
486
00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:56,104
For some reason,
Nia and I sit separately on the plane.
487
00:30:56,187 --> 00:30:57,188
I can't remember why.
488
00:30:57,272 --> 00:31:00,024
I remember saying,
"I don't wanna sit with you."
489
00:31:05,613 --> 00:31:07,407
There was just a lot of anger.
490
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,994
Like, "I've been a good wife.
I've been a good mother."
491
00:31:11,077 --> 00:31:14,998
There's just no reason, you know?
He's got everything he needs.
492
00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:18,209
Like, I... I... I'm there for him
in every way.
493
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:21,713
What in the world is missing
that he needs to go on this website?
494
00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:27,677
And at the same time,
I didn't want to get off the plane
495
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,513
and arrive at a convention
at odds with him.
496
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,182
I believed that he didn't do anything.
497
00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:37,270
I really, truly believed him,
and my heart wanted to forgive quickly.
498
00:31:38,187 --> 00:31:39,939
So maybe he got curious about it,
499
00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:44,402
and maybe I need to accept that he's got
some curiosities I didn't know about.
500
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,031
But he still didn't,
and it's like that part was still safe.
501
00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:53,369
Plane lands, we're in Seattle.
502
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:57,165
She's like,
"Okay. So, what are we gonna do?"
503
00:31:58,374 --> 00:32:00,501
We went to a hotel that night.
504
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:04,631
I remember sitting on the edge of the bed,
like so proud of myself.
505
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:07,091
Like, "I really am the best wife."
506
00:32:08,509 --> 00:32:11,179
I really felt like I outdid him
in that moment.
507
00:32:11,262 --> 00:32:14,223
Like, "You signed up
for the stupid, skeezy website,
508
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,185
and here I am working to forgive you,
509
00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:19,103
still going to be intimate with you."
510
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:21,648
Like, "What woman would be intimate
with you?"
511
00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:25,401
And thinking like,
"I'm winning at this marriage game."
512
00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:38,498
I would say most people thought
we had a very happy marriage.
513
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:44,545
You can work so hard at an image,
514
00:32:45,046 --> 00:32:48,549
that you can make it very believable.
515
00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:52,720
You spend so much time building that,
516
00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,807
that you begin to believe
it's the reality.
517
00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:03,147
I remember hearing
that Ashley Madison had been hacked,
518
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:08,403
and it crossed my mind
that John's name might be there.
519
00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:13,241
He has always been a secret-keeper.
520
00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:16,703
But as secretive as John is,
521
00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:20,915
he wasn't very careful with his secrets.
522
00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:28,339
Early on, when I started seeing things
that made me wonder,
523
00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:31,926
that I wasn't real sure about,
that I had doubts about,
524
00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:36,097
I would just go,
"Wait, no, everything's okay."
525
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:37,807
"I must be imagining that."
526
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,644
"I must be creating something
that's not really there."
527
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:46,232
I think I gaslighted myself
as much as anything.
528
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:53,197
But there were just a few things that...
529
00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:56,743
that happened that I couldn't brush aside.
530
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:05,793
I discovered
some inappropriate relationships.
531
00:34:07,545 --> 00:34:12,467
I would come across a letter
from someone to him.
532
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,226
I think the letters
were one of the hardest things.
533
00:34:23,311 --> 00:34:24,604
That was our thing.
534
00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,273
And, um, that hurt.
535
00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:33,362
So when I first heard
about Ashley Madison,
536
00:34:33,446 --> 00:34:35,448
I tried to search for his name.
537
00:34:35,948 --> 00:34:37,867
And it wasn't quite that easy.
538
00:34:38,367 --> 00:34:42,371
There were hoops you had to jump through,
and I didn't wanna jump through them.
539
00:34:43,247 --> 00:34:47,543
I had reached a point where I'd realized,
540
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:50,963
"Christi, you're really not gonna do
anything about it."
541
00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:52,298
"So why know?"
542
00:34:54,425 --> 00:34:59,555
So I just didn't look anymore,
hoping I was wrong.
543
00:35:02,642 --> 00:35:05,812
The only people that aren't
freaking out are probably lawyers,
544
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:08,106
'cause you can only imagine
the number of people
545
00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:11,776
that are gonna be taking
their significant other to divorce court.
546
00:35:13,319 --> 00:35:19,909
Seeing the scale of the data
and how quickly the media picked up on it,
547
00:35:19,992 --> 00:35:22,411
it was a real gut punch.
548
00:35:22,495 --> 00:35:26,082
The list of Ashley Madison
users being exposed is growing fast,
549
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:28,960
from school principals
to state prosecutors.
550
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:31,546
You had celebrities
being disgraced in... in public.
551
00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:34,423
Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi's husband
Jionni LaValle's e-mail
552
00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:36,884
was reportedly found
linked to the cheating site.
553
00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:39,595
{an8}
The reality television star
Josh Duggar
554
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,764
{an8}
admits now he cheated on his wife.
555
00:35:41,848 --> 00:35:45,143
Real Housewives of New York
star Kristen Taekman's husband Josh
556
00:35:45,226 --> 00:35:49,021
has admitted he did indeed sign up
for what Ashley Madison was selling.
557
00:35:49,105 --> 00:35:53,568
Their clientele ranged from common folk
to the prominent people in society,
558
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:56,195
and some of them had, uh, status.
559
00:35:56,279 --> 00:36:00,658
{an8}
WIRED magazine's reporting
that one analysis of the e-mail addresses
560
00:36:00,741 --> 00:36:06,038
{an8}shows that some 15,000 were dot-mil,
military e-mail addresses,
561
00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:08,040
{an8}or dot-gov addresses.
562
00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:12,378
{an8}
The son of Vice President Joe Biden
is responding after an unconfirmed report
563
00:36:12,461 --> 00:36:15,298
{an8}
showed an Ashley Madison account
linked to his e-mail address.
564
00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:18,384
When you start seein' the names
on those lists,
565
00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,803
it could cause
some national-security issues.
566
00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:23,222
This could be the biggest hack
of all time.
567
00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:28,728
If not in raw numbers,
at least in terms of impact.
568
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:34,108
A lot of people were starting to receive,
um, threatening letters, blackmailing.
569
00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:36,319
{an8}Saying that if you pay me
X amount of dollars,
570
00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:38,404
{an8}I will clear your name
and any sort of trace
571
00:36:38,487 --> 00:36:40,823
{an8}that you ever had an account
with Ashley Madison.
572
00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:43,784
{an8}We wouldn't advise
to do it or not do it.
573
00:36:44,452 --> 00:36:48,539
{an8}But we would definitely suggest
that they change their password.
574
00:36:48,623 --> 00:36:50,750
{an8}If a company states a privacy policy,
575
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:53,252
{an8}they'd better stand by
that privacy policy.
576
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:55,004
{an8}They'll be out of business.
577
00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:56,297
Everyone was on edge.
578
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:59,592
There could be lawsuits,
there could be fines.
579
00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:04,513
Noel still seemed to think
that he would come through it
580
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:06,307
and he would save his company.
581
00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:14,440
Hair 101 with April here.
582
00:37:14,523 --> 00:37:16,317
- What do you think?
- That looks cool.
583
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,777
The next day we wake up.
584
00:37:19,028 --> 00:37:20,905
So we go into the conference.
585
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:25,785
It's a convention for vloggers.
Like daily vloggers, weekly, whatever.
586
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:27,578
You can network, make new friends.
587
00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:30,122
We were goin' about our day.
588
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:32,416
There were some comments
on Twitter about me,
589
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,752
but it's not goin' viral or anything.
590
00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:40,383
And then it kinda shifted.
People were just kinda looking at us.
591
00:37:41,884 --> 00:37:44,762
And I see all these articles
start coming out about me.
592
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,598
{an8}That I was in the Ashley Madison dump.
593
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:53,145
{an8}Then another and another,
and this is within like ten minutes.
594
00:37:54,855 --> 00:37:56,274
"Oh gosh, it's happening."
595
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,192
{an8}Today we're sticking to one subject,
596
00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:00,778
{an8}the celebrity fallout
from the Ashley Madison hack.
597
00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:04,991
Christian blogger Sam Rader was found
on the master list as a subscriber.
598
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,827
I felt so humiliated.
599
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:11,163
Just had this sense of,
like, all eyes on us.
600
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:14,041
I'm obviously the wife,
and so "poor her," you know?
601
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,168
Like, "I'm so sorry for her."
602
00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:20,006
And I was so annoyed,
like, that he put all this on me.
603
00:38:22,842 --> 00:38:26,345
And I start getting tons of e-mails
from media outlets.
604
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,556
E-mail after e-mail, phone call.
605
00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:32,101
I just didn't say a word.
I kept completely silent.
606
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:37,773
It was just unbelievable to me
that I'm in the news for this.
607
00:38:43,738 --> 00:38:47,074
It just didn't make any sense to me
that people cared.
608
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:51,454
If you do boast a moral high ground,
you get more attention when you're caught
609
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:53,831
on a website
with the sole purpose of adultery.
610
00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:56,584
The attitude toward people
using the website was...
611
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:59,587
It was an... it was an absolute witch hunt.
612
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:02,256
It certainly brings up echoes of,
613
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:07,345
in the past adulterers would have to wear
a scarlet letter A around their neck.
614
00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:08,637
I just love this.
615
00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:14,810
{an8}I love the idea that people thought,
somehow, that there was a fail-safe method
616
00:39:14,894 --> 00:39:19,732
{an8}of going hunting for available women
when you were married,
617
00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:24,904
{an8}and somehow karma would not fall on you
like a ton of bricks.
618
00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:26,947
People started, uh, making websites
619
00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:30,076
that you could type a name
or e-mail address into the search bar,
620
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,454
and it would tell you if that person
had an account on the website.
621
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:36,707
{an8}Now what you're seeing,
this happened in the last couple hours,
622
00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:38,125
{an8}people are taking this data
623
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,336
{an8}and making it easy to find
on the open web.
624
00:39:40,419 --> 00:39:43,214
Different media outlets
took different approaches with this.
625
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:47,551
I think one that took it the farthest
was an Australian radio station
626
00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:51,514
that invited people to call in,
provide their partner's e-mail address,
627
00:39:51,597 --> 00:39:54,975
and they would look up whether or not
their partner had been on the site,
628
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:56,268
live on the air.
629
00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:03,668
All right, now, Jo,
you've rung us.
630
00:40:03,692 --> 00:40:05,778
You're suspicious about your partner.
631
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:08,614
Yeah. When I heard it,
I thought I should ring up.
632
00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:12,618
His hours have changed.
He's following very close to him now.
633
00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:15,204
Bits of money, where have they gone?
Not really sure.
634
00:40:15,287 --> 00:40:17,790
Okay.
We've got his details here.
635
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:21,502
Um, and his details have revealed
636
00:40:22,128 --> 00:40:24,547
that he's actually on the website, Jo.
637
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,341
Are you serious?
638
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:30,219
- Yeah, I'm sorry.
- Are you kidding me?
639
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:32,138
Yeah. No, no, we... Yeah.
640
00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:34,223
These websites
are disgusting.
641
00:40:34,306 --> 00:40:36,434
Yeah... Oh, Jo's gone.
642
00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:39,145
I dunno
if we should've done that.
643
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:44,358
This practice in terms of, uh, you know,
the witch hunt,
644
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,819
of accusing people,
trying to publicly shame them,
645
00:40:46,902 --> 00:40:49,697
I think went way, way too far.
646
00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:03,586
I woke up that morning
just like any other morning.
647
00:41:04,336 --> 00:41:06,797
The first thing I smell is the coffee.
648
00:41:07,548 --> 00:41:09,633
And I know John's in the kitchen.
649
00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:13,929
And we were standing in the kitchen,
talking over our coffee.
650
00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,598
We made plans for dinner.
651
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:19,643
He reminded me
we had some leftovers in the fridge,
652
00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:22,855
and I said,
"Leftovers sounds good, let's eat that."
653
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:25,608
Then I went to work.
654
00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:34,283
Later on, I got home
and a friend met me at the house,
655
00:41:34,366 --> 00:41:37,786
and we stood in the driveway
and talked for a little while.
656
00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:42,917
She said, "I hear something.
Is there a phone in there that's ringing?"
657
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,421
And she eventually left
and I went on inside.
658
00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:54,053
So I began to sense
that things weren't right.
659
00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:57,556
John wasn't in the kitchen.
660
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,227
I went to the kitchen, he wasn't there,
which is where he would've been.
661
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:04,438
So I began looking
around the house for him.
662
00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:07,441
Went upstairs.
663
00:42:09,902 --> 00:42:11,487
Looked in our room.
664
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:14,448
He wasn't there.
665
00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,703
And when I made it to the garage,
666
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:22,581
um...
667
00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:26,710
That's where I found him.
668
00:42:31,423 --> 00:42:35,177
I realized the sound
that my friend was hearing
669
00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:38,722
was the carbon monoxide alarm going off.
670
00:42:42,601 --> 00:42:45,396
I immediately rushed over to him.
671
00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:50,734
I checked his pulse at his neck,
I checked his pulse in his arms.
672
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:55,406
I felt his skin,
and he was cold to the touch.
673
00:42:56,156 --> 00:42:58,200
He had been gone for a while.
674
00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:05,124
I just sat there.
675
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:07,626
I didn't know what to do.
676
00:43:09,628 --> 00:43:12,131
I was in shock. I was in shock.
677
00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:16,594
Not a day I ever imagined.
678
00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:19,346
Not a day
I would ever wanna live through again.
679
00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:22,600
It was horrible.
680
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:36,071
I went back inside to find my phone
and called my friend,
681
00:43:36,155 --> 00:43:42,494
and even in talking to her,
I couldn't say the words
682
00:43:42,578 --> 00:43:44,163
"John is dead."
683
00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:47,082
I said, "I... I... I think John is dead."
684
00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:56,508
Because we lived within our community,
my house just immediately filled up.
685
00:43:59,553 --> 00:44:03,849
In the course of all that,
I remember the moment...
686
00:44:03,932 --> 00:44:07,645
I remember somebody sitting down
687
00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:13,651
and said, "Christi, we need to tell you
a little bit about what happened today."
688
00:44:19,948 --> 00:44:21,200
He went to work.
689
00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:26,664
He was told that he had an appointment
with the council that were his bosses.
690
00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:29,667
And he went to the meeting,
691
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:37,132
and they let him know that his name
had been on the Ashley Madison website.
692
00:44:38,717 --> 00:44:42,888
And the way they described it,
he was in tears,
693
00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:46,809
and, um, did not try to deny it
in any way.
694
00:44:46,892 --> 00:44:50,896
Just said, "Yes,
and I know you need my resignation."
695
00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:53,482
And that he turned it in.
696
00:44:56,568 --> 00:45:01,740
This was a school
for people studying to be in the ministry,
697
00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:04,618
and he was from
three generations of pastors.
698
00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:07,621
He couldn't walk into a classroom
at a seminary
699
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:10,499
and continue to teach with this known.
700
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:16,755
To realize that his name
was on Ashley Madison,
701
00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:20,676
that realization, I think,
was very shocking for people.
702
00:45:23,887 --> 00:45:26,932
I'm sure there are people
who are angry about Ashley Madison.
703
00:45:28,392 --> 00:45:30,894
But I blame the secrecy.
704
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,858
The cancer of shame
that was eating away at him.
705
00:45:39,027 --> 00:45:44,450
As far as the people
who just were poring over that list
706
00:45:44,533 --> 00:45:48,203
and looking for names, and the witch hunt,
707
00:45:48,287 --> 00:45:51,540
there's just a self-righteousness in that
708
00:45:51,623 --> 00:45:57,671
that I think assumes that
you are without sin and without fault.
709
00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:03,844
And when the men
were stoning the woman caught in adultery,
710
00:46:03,927 --> 00:46:08,640
Jesus said, "Let you who is without sin
cast the first stone."
711
00:46:08,724 --> 00:46:11,685
And I don't think any of us is qualified.
712
00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:25,365
So Nia and I,
we get back to our Airbnb,
713
00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:30,162
and then we started getting pressure
from all directions to publish a response.
714
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:33,290
From our viewers, like,
"Sam, tell us what's going on."
715
00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:35,292
"Is this real? True? What's happening?"
716
00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:37,503
Hey, guys, as you may have seen,
717
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:41,548
my name has been associated
with an Ashley Madison account.
718
00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:46,720
A website made for spouses
who wanna have an affair.
719
00:46:47,513 --> 00:46:52,309
Um, I'm here to clarify some of this
with you guys because I owe it to you.
720
00:46:52,976 --> 00:46:57,356
Um, I did make the account.
I made the account two years ago.
721
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:59,775
This was brought to my wife's attention.
722
00:46:59,858 --> 00:47:05,531
She has forgiven me for this mistake
that I made in opening the account.
723
00:47:05,614 --> 00:47:08,575
Um, I've sought forgiveness to God,
and he's forgiven me.
724
00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:10,953
So I've been completely cleansed
of this sin.
725
00:47:11,036 --> 00:47:13,747
And also, I need to c... I need to be clear
726
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:17,876
that I've never met with a single person
face-to-face through that website,
727
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,338
and that I never had an affair
with anybody ever
728
00:47:21,421 --> 00:47:23,423
while I've been married with Nia.
729
00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:25,300
I did feel like it was his mess to fix.
730
00:47:25,384 --> 00:47:28,762
I felt like, "You got yourself into this
and put us in this position."
731
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,265
Take responsibility
and do the majority of speaking.
732
00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:35,811
This is what the atonement's all about,
forgiveness and second chances.
733
00:47:35,894 --> 00:47:37,563
And I just wanna add too, guys,
734
00:47:37,646 --> 00:47:40,649
I have forgiven Sam,
and I stand behind him.
735
00:47:40,732 --> 00:47:43,235
Marriage is the real deal,
and it's been sealed,
736
00:47:43,318 --> 00:47:44,778
and it's worth fighting for.
737
00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:46,113
It always will be.
738
00:47:48,115 --> 00:47:50,075
So... Oh, gosh.
739
00:47:52,452 --> 00:47:56,623
Yeah, so the aim was
to put an end to it and be done,
740
00:47:56,707 --> 00:48:00,210
and continue our lives as it was
before this came out.
741
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:03,881
And I would say
it was pretty effective in doing that.
742
00:48:06,466 --> 00:48:08,677
I'm really clinging
743
00:48:09,428 --> 00:48:15,267
to just this naive
and really hopeful place
744
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:20,772
of like, this is what is necessary
for us to move forward.
745
00:48:25,652 --> 00:48:27,654
But after uploading it,
746
00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:32,451
the convictions like hit me
like a ton of bricks.
747
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:38,206
I knew how phony that video was
in the moment.
748
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,584
Like, I... I knew what I was doing.
749
00:48:41,919 --> 00:48:43,253
I kept ignoring it.
750
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,010
Nia had forgiven me, for sure,
right in that moment.
751
00:48:56,016 --> 00:49:00,103
But Nia had no idea what
she was actually gonna have to forgive.
752
00:49:15,243 --> 00:49:17,704
I just remember it was everywhere.
753
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:20,624
We were all over the news.
754
00:49:21,583 --> 00:49:23,835
The media was relentless.
755
00:49:23,919 --> 00:49:26,546
Ashley Madison was a bad business.
I didn't like it.
756
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:30,050
So the fact that they'll probably
go out of business is good.
757
00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:33,804
On one hand, I thought,
"This is completely catastrophic."
758
00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:35,930
"This is it."
759
00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,519
I think a lot of people
felt Ashley Madison, ya know, got hacked,
760
00:49:40,602 --> 00:49:43,897
it's like, "Oh, Ted Bundy
got killed in a car accident."
761
00:49:43,981 --> 00:49:45,649
It's like, who gives a shit?
762
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:47,275
On the flip side,
763
00:49:47,901 --> 00:49:53,657
I also saw signs
that any press could mean good press.
764
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:55,659
All the world was talking about it.
765
00:49:55,742 --> 00:49:56,576
{an8}Ashley Madison.
766
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:58,537
{an8}- Ashley Madison.
- Ashley Madison.
767
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:04,001
The website saw traffic
at levels that were never seen before.
768
00:50:04,084 --> 00:50:07,546
They say, ya know, negative publicity
is good publicity.
769
00:50:07,629 --> 00:50:09,840
I think that was the idea.
People were curious.
770
00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:13,927
The history of the company
has always been a lot of media attention,
771
00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:18,473
and that led me to think that maybe
that was just the whole purpose of it.
772
00:50:18,557 --> 00:50:21,810
{an8}Why? Do we know anything
about why the hackers did this?
773
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:25,105
{an8}It's interesting.
I hadn't heard of this hacker group.
774
00:50:25,188 --> 00:50:28,567
{an8}Not many people had.
They call themselves the Impact Team.
775
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:31,903
There were never any demands for money.
776
00:50:31,987 --> 00:50:37,034
{an8}She says she's never heard of this group,
but you can assume they want publicity.
777
00:50:37,117 --> 00:50:39,077
Maybe this was a publicity stunt.
778
00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:42,330
Okay. Is the company responsible for this?
779
00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:45,751
As I said, talk good about me,
talk bad about me,
780
00:50:45,834 --> 00:50:47,335
but please talk about me.
781
00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:51,089
I have a total open mindset.
782
00:50:51,673 --> 00:50:55,677
So everybody is a suspect
until, uh, they are not.
783
00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:59,890
And that's when I started to ask myself,
784
00:50:59,973 --> 00:51:03,226
is Noel capable of doing that?
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