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[computer clicking]
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[breathing]
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[breathing]
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YOUNG GIRL: Once upon a time,
the sun was shining.
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And it went up into the sky.
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[upbeat music playing]
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TAYLOR: Math and science
make sense.
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Numbers don't lie and aren't
really up for interpretation.
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I come from
a long line of engineers.
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Both my parents are engineers.
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My grandfather is an engineer.
My cousin is an engineer.
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My uncle is an engineer.
I'm an engineer.
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My other cousin's
going for engineering,
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like everyone in the family.
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We're all a bunch of nerds.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[blocks clacking]
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Yes. We have a marble,
a wedge and blocks.
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TAYLOR: My mom is like the hardest
working person that I know,
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so that naturally kind of led
me and my brother to believe
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that like we could be really,
really hard working people.
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I always just wanted
to like make her proud.
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[upbeat music playing]
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I'll admit it. I liked school.
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I always did my homework.
I never once cheated.
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I never once, like,
broke the rules
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because I was too scared
what would happen if I did?
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And also, just like, I didn't
want to break the rules.
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MAN: Whoa! Holy smokes.
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TAYLOR: I think my teachers were
concerned because
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I was worried about college
when I was in seventh grade.
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Like, I was like stressing out
about getting into college
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when I was 12.
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[upbeat music playing]
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I think I'm definitely
very concerned about
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how others perceive me.
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[keyboard typing]
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[notification dings]
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[keyboard typing]
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[notification dings]
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[notification dings]
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[computer clicks]
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[keyboard typing]
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[notification dings]
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[heavy breathing]
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[static ringing]
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[overwhelming music playing]
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TAYLOR: I was sitting here
with my boyfriend
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and my face popped up
on the screen.
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[overwhelming music playing]
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And it was just shocking.
Like seeing my face.
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Looking at the camera.
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Basically making eye
contact with me.
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I had actually been getting
messages from guys on Instagram.
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[overwhelming music playing]
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It clicked like, oh my God,
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people were messaging me
because they found me on...
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on a porn website.
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I was just...
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first of all shocked that, like, my name
and my face were on there.
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I didn't even, like, register
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that my school and my hometown
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were also on there.
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And then just seeing like,
oh my God,
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these videos have
thousands of views on them.
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TAYLOR: There were, I think, six or
seven videos on Pornhub.
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And there's also
an Xhamster account.
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People were commenting
like disgusting things,
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and I had to read that
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and know that like...
they know my face.
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Like these people now know
what I look like
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and they know my name
and they know where I'm from.
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I was scared that these people
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who thought it was actually me
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would actually try to come
find me.
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And excuse my language,
hearing that the next time
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someone's in your hometown,
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they're going to fuck you,
is just terrifying.
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[overwhelming music playing]
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I still just haven't
really processed it.
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Uh...
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It's...
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It's like one of those things that's too
upsetting to think about.
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So I just don't.
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[concerned music playing]
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TAYLOR: That night I was supposed
to hop on a Zoom call
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to play golf with friends.
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I just wanted to be numb,
basically.
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And then I drank.
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I was making jokes about
it like,
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"No one thought I was going to be
a porn star,"
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stupid jokes that,
just, like, help me laugh
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laugh at the situation
a little bit.
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I didn't want to, like,
feel any of that anymore.
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I didn't want to feel scared.
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I didn't want to feel like
I was going to get hurt.
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[concerned music playing]
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In bed that night,
I kind of just, like, broke.
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I felt very like... dirty.
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It was the end of the night,
and I was like...
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all you have left at that point
is just, like,
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you're kind of
alone with your feelings.
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And then it kind of hit me
what had actually happened.
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[crickets chirping]
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I kept asking myself:
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"Why would someone...
want to do this?"
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And, "Who would do this?"
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I felt like... someone's trying to...
punish me.
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[dramatic music playing]
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VOICES: This is synthetic.
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Read my lips.
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REPORTER: Deepfake videos which
are manipulated using AI
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can make someone
appear as though
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they're saying or doing
something that they're not.
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My face is Ellen's.
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My voice is Michelle's.
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Ellen did not say these words.
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VOICES: Frame after frame
after frame,
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it synthesises a new appearance
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to match the expression of
the person in the original video.
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REPORTER: These manipulated images
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can pose a very real
national security threat -
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Fake videos could become
a real and present danger
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to our democracy, Dana.
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REPORTER: This is a threat
they believe could impact the election.
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But the most pressing daily threat
of deepfakes isn't politics...
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It's porn.
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Right now, it is
a violence against women issue
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and it has been since they entered
the public sphere in late 2018.
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Teachers, social workers,
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nurses, moms, teenagers.
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Once these images are online,
they never truly go away.
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They're out there and there
is no getting them back.
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
May 22, 2020.
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POLICE OFFICER:
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TAYLOR:
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[computer typing]
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POLICE OFFICER:
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TAYLOR:
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POLICE OFFICER:
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[bleep]
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JAMIE:
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POLICE OFFICER:
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JAMIE:
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[phone hangs up]
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[ambient music playing]
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TAYLOR: In those first couple of days,
I was very paranoid.
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It was just constant worrying
about, like,
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are more people that
I know going to see this.
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Are they going to see
this type of stuff on like,
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background checks?
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It kind of, like, consumed
what I did.
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I was really worried
to tell my parents
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because I thought that
they wouldn't really understand
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what had happened, and maybe in a way
think that it was...
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Um... my fault.
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I was just in tears and...
just incredibly upset.
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[ambient music playing]
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I was just terrified that
there was someone out there
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who wanted to do this to me.
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I didn't know
what their motives were,
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I didn't know if their intent was then
to cause me physical harm.
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It was this feeling of like,
I'm not safe anywhere.
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[footsteps]
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TAYLOR:
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JAMIE:
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TAYLOR:
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TAYLOR: I think it's really important
for me to stay anonymous
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because I don't want this to
follow me throughout my life.
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So...
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my name isn't really Taylor,
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and CTech isn't a real college.
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All of this footage is of me,
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but the face you're watching
right now isn't actually my face.
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It's an actor's face
deepfaked over mine.
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This is the only way I would
ever feel safe to tell my story.
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[dramatic music playing]
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TAYLOR: God. We're basically
playing phone tag
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with the police
for a couple of weeks.
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The detective that got assigned
to the case
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finally called me.
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and I had to explain
the entire thing again.
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So they said, "Someone
put porn of you online?"
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And I was like, "No, someone
put my face on porn online."
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And they seemed really confused
as to why that's wrong.
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The detective was saying
weird things to me, like,
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"“Oh, well, I need to look
closely at these videos
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to make sure that it's you."
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And, "I'm really going
to have to examine this."”
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He asked: "“What have you done to cause
someone to do this to you?"”
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[dramatic music playing]
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After a couple of weeks,
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I had called him again
and he said that:
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"“It's disgusting what happened,
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but the person had a right
to do it."
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Like, they didn't break any laws,
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so they had a right to do that.
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[computer beeps]
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JAMIE: OK, it is now recording.
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TAYLOR: All right it'’s recording.
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JAMIE: Hopefully...
TAYLOR: My head'’s in the center.
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[typing]
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[computer clicks]
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TAYLOR: Hi, Adam
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ADAM: Hi, Taylor.
TAYLOR: Do you have a...
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pseudonym that I should use or...
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ADAM: So nice of you to ask.
No, you can just call me Adam. It's fine.
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TAYLOR: I feel like
I'’m very nervous about,
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talking about, like, my experience.
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Because I called the state police,
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and they basically told me,
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you know, "We can't do
anything for you.
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We're not going to do
anything for you."
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ADAM: I'm not surprised, but I'm
sorry to hear that's happened.
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So, there are no deepfake laws
in your state.
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Um...
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There are a couple
in other states,
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and there'’s no federal law
as it exists today.
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I trained 500 judges last year
on deepfakes,
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and I would say in excess of 90% of them
had never heard of a deepfake before.
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TAYLOR: Yeah.
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ADAM: With respect to
non-consensual pornography laws,
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deepfakes typically don't fall within
the parameters of those laws,
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because it's not the victim's body.
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That's why we typically look
for other ways,
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false impersonation
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or credible impersonation.
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Now, the reality is it's very easy
to anonymize yourself online.
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TAYLOR: Yeah.
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And... usually the
investigations I see
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where they are able to
catch somebody is they -
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there's like a second where
they didn't have their VPN on.
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And that is the tiny hole
in that anonymous shield
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that they're able to get through it
and prove who that person is.
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[dramatic music playing]
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TAYLOR: I want to find out
who did this
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because I want to know why.
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I want to know what was going
through their head
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when they decided to do this.
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Clearly this person
wanted to emphasize
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where I went to school.
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One of my big concerns
is if they go to CTech,
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because I'm going back to
start my Masters in the fall.
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I don't want to be
on the same campus
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as the person who did this to me
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but I have no idea who they are.
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[cat purring]
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[whispers] Good girl.
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[dramatic music playing]
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OK, so I only have like
5 minutes to make this
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because I have to go to work.
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My boyfriend found another
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video that the
person had uploaded,
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so they uploaded a new video,
same profile, same shit.
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Like, really?
Like you're not done yet.
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You're not like,
are you not satisfied
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with everything
that you've done so far?
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I'm annoyed that the police
aren't taking care of this.
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I'm annoyed
that I have to be the one
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to find the evidence
and find, like
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Like I should not be doing
their jobs for them.
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So it's just.
It's just really annoying.
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It's very frustrating.
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[dramatic music playing]
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VOICES: So often they told victims,
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just turn your computer off,
ignore it, it'll go away.
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Not only are these women powerless
to do anything about it,
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but the law protects the websites
distributing these videos.
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Tech companies,
for the last 20 years,
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have had a spectacular gift
of shield from liability.
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It's called Section 230 of the
Communications Decency Act.
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It's the law that allows sites
to be hosted
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in the United States
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that absolves them
of any responsibility.
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The tech industry
profits from it. They do.
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They profit from
the most outrageous,
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the most salacious...
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This stuff is good for business.
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[notification dings]
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[notification dings]
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[notification dings]
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TAYLOR: OK so really, all I have to
say right now is holy fuck.
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About 20 minutes ago
I found out that
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I know the other girl
who this is happening to.
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I lived with her
freshman year of college
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like we used to be friends.
We know the same people.
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We've pissed off,
the same people.
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I just don't even know
how to feel right now. It's...
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Obviously I'm pissed.
Like, I'm very angry.
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I feel horrible that this is
also happening to her,
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because I know
how it's affected me.
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So I can only imagine
how it's also affected her.
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I don't know
what to do right now.
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This is crazy.
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Um...
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But yeah. Holy fuck.
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This is -
This is really fucked up.
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[phone ringing]
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TAYLOR: Hey, Julia.
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JULIA: Hi, what'’ up?
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TAYLOR: How'’s it,
how are you doing?
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JULIA: Good. How are you?
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TAYLOR: I'm good. I'm good.
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This is definitely a weird
situation that we're in.
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JULIA: Yeah.
TAYLOR: I mean, like
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I don't know what information
like you have already,
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but I called the police, they
haven't really done anything,
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so I'm just trying to get
as much information as I can.
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JULIA: My name is Julia in this film,
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but that's not my real name.
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I am a student and I went
to school with Taylor.
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JULIA: At first I started receiving a
bunch of Snapchat notifications
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from people adding me...
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And then finally I like accepted
one of the friend requests
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and I was like, "Hey,
where did you add me from?"
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And he was like, "“Oh, someone
posted your Snapchat on 4chan."”
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TAYLOR: We couldn't find anything
on 4chan,
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but I also didn't know
how 4chan works,
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so I had to have my boyfriend
explain it to me.
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JULIA: So 4chan is an online forum
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where people
can post anonymously,
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and it can be very hard
to track their identities.
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Sometimes photos can be used
kind of as currency on these forums.
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So on 4chan there's threads
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and a really common one is to
post, like, for a specific state.
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So like mine was I think under
the Connecticut one
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and people were requesting
pictures of me,
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like they were asking for me by name.
TAYLOR: Oh my God
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JULIA: It was just like,
it's super creepy.
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TAYLOR: I'm so sorry this
is happening to you.
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This is horrible. I know how
I'm feeling through this.
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So, like, it's just, this is...
This is fucked that someone's doing this.
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JULIA: Yeah.
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I'm just more mad that they,
like, put my name out there
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because I think, Kevin said,
your whole name was out there too.
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00:23:08,389 --> 00:23:11,044
TAYLOR: Oh, yeah.
My name, CTech. My hometown.
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Like everything.
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JULIA: Yeah, my hometown
was there, too.
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It's like they're
slowly doxxing us.
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JULIA: A lot of people will like
doxx other people,
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so they'll share like
their private information,
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their address,
their credit card information,
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their phone number,
locations of family members.
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There is this mob mentality.
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Thousands of people at one time
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can just be focused on
harassing a single person.
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JULIA: For me, it was probably like
Mike or Alex,
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if it was someone
from our floor.
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TAYLOR: Yeah, I thought...
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JULIA: You had problems with Alex right?
Like serious problems?
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TAYLOR: Oh, no,
I definitely had problems with Alex.
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I don't know if... at the
end of, like, freshman year,
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he basically just like...
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went off on me and then has
been trying to contact me since.
355
00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:03,923
JULIA: Well, last I heard of him,
he wasn't doing too hot.
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00:24:04,532 --> 00:24:07,753
TAYLOR: Mike was so quiet like
freshman year and not...
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JULIA: Yeah well I was like friends
with him for really like,
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two years and I had
no problems with him.
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And then all of a sudden...
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TAYLOR: I - Same thing.
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JULIA: He even deleted me off
of, like, video games.
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Like, off my video game,
friend list. He was just done.
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TAYLOR: He like, did not...
JULIA: Why is everyone going insane?
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TAYLOR: I don'’t know!
What is it about -
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JULIA: That's three now.
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TAYLOR: Wait, who else went insane?
Mike, Alex... Yeah, Bobby.
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00:24:29,644 --> 00:24:31,646
Holy shit, what happened
to Bobby?
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00:24:31,907 --> 00:24:35,433
I assume you've seen the things
he's saying to girls now on Twitter.
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00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:38,349
TAYLOR: Oh, my God. I opened his
Twitter when I was at work
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00:24:38,479 --> 00:24:40,046
and then I was like,
oh my God, I feel like
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00:24:40,177 --> 00:24:42,309
I shouldn't be looking at this
on like company Wi-Fi.
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It's just really weird.
I don't know.
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Bobby was quiet, too.
It's all the quiet ones.
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00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:49,186
Yeah. Engineering is going
to do it to you.
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[energetic music playing]
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MAN: What'’s good, bro?
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00:25:06,812 --> 00:25:10,207
[professor lecturing]
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TAYLOR: Julia and I actually
both lived
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on the engineering floor
together in college.
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I lived with seven other
guys in our dorm freshman year.
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We weren't like
stereotypical college kids.
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00:25:30,966 --> 00:25:32,751
You know how
on like college floors
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00:25:32,881 --> 00:25:35,319
they always have
like a bag of condoms?
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00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:38,496
Well, we got ours
taken away from us
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because we were throwing
them like ninja stars.
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00:25:41,542 --> 00:25:43,631
MAN: You messed up.
You'’re a failure at life.
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00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:47,505
JULIA: The engineering floor was
one of the less party places,
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00:25:47,635 --> 00:25:48,941
believe it or not.
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00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:52,336
TAYLOR: In my class,
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there were probably two women
to roughly 50 men.
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00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:57,819
MAN: She'’s so much
hotter than you.
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00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:59,473
You could have got with Mackenzie
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00:25:59,604 --> 00:26:01,214
and grind up all on that ass.
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00:26:02,998 --> 00:26:05,740
TAYLOR: There have been guys
in my class who have acted
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00:26:05,871 --> 00:26:07,655
very creepy towards me.
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00:26:08,656 --> 00:26:11,790
People would like,
heckle me at meetings.
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00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,314
[male voices]
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00:26:15,272 --> 00:26:17,839
TAYLOR: There was a lot more
jokes about porn.
399
00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:20,407
There was a lot more jokes
about women.
400
00:26:20,755 --> 00:26:23,976
That was just more
generally accepted.
401
00:26:24,106 --> 00:26:25,760
[male voices yelling]
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00:26:25,934 --> 00:26:28,589
JULIA: As a woman you're just
kind of like expected
403
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,897
to take this harassment because
this is just how the world is.
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00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,959
TAYLOR: So we whittled down
the suspects to two people
405
00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:54,528
based on who we both knew,
406
00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:57,966
and also who would know
about this technology
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00:26:58,097 --> 00:27:00,273
and this application
of this technology.
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00:27:01,796 --> 00:27:03,798
[dramatic music playing]
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00:27:10,631 --> 00:27:12,590
TAYLOR: There was a guy
freshman year
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00:27:12,764 --> 00:27:16,376
who lived with me, Mike,
who I was really close to,
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00:27:18,422 --> 00:27:21,599
but we hadn't spoken
in about a year.
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00:27:24,123 --> 00:27:25,820
We always made the joke that like,
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00:27:25,951 --> 00:27:28,432
Mike and I like made
one full engineer
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00:27:28,562 --> 00:27:30,434
because he was
like a software guy,
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00:27:30,564 --> 00:27:32,566
I was a hardware person
and we were like,
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00:27:32,697 --> 00:27:35,264
OK, together we have like
one full brain.
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00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:41,923
TAYLOR: He was like
the most adorable person.
418
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,317
You know, he made me laugh.
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00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,712
And he really made me feel
like at home at college.
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00:27:50,454 --> 00:27:53,152
JULIA: I have a lot of fond memories
of hanging out with him.
421
00:27:53,326 --> 00:27:55,241
I would like let him
lay his head in my lap
422
00:27:55,372 --> 00:27:58,418
just because like we
were just very close friends.
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00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:00,246
[laughter]
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00:28:00,377 --> 00:28:01,595
I don'’t know...
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00:28:02,901 --> 00:28:05,860
It kind of stinks
how everything went down.
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00:28:08,472 --> 00:28:11,300
TAYLOR: It was just a really
good friendship until it wasn't.
427
00:28:15,653 --> 00:28:18,569
He basically tried to make me
his personal therapist,
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00:28:18,699 --> 00:28:20,788
and I just couldn't
handle it anymore.
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00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:23,095
JULIA: Yeah, that's what
happened with me, too.
430
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:27,186
TAYLOR: And what's weird is he didn't
do that to any of the guys.
431
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,451
JULIA: Yeah, and I was having
a lot of issues on my own at the same time
432
00:28:31,582 --> 00:28:34,498
And he, like, never wanted to listen to
what was going on with me.
433
00:28:34,628 --> 00:28:36,282
He just wanted to talk
about his issues.
434
00:28:36,413 --> 00:28:39,720
TAYLOR: Yeah, he did
he did the same -
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00:28:39,851 --> 00:28:40,895
same thing to me.
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00:28:48,163 --> 00:28:50,775
TAYLOR: OK, so I'm on campus right now.
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00:28:50,949 --> 00:28:53,995
I guess it's been a while
since I've done a video diary.
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00:28:55,997 --> 00:28:57,782
Grad school's nuts.
439
00:28:58,217 --> 00:29:01,002
Engineering school
is a rough time.
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00:29:02,351 --> 00:29:05,137
[birds chirping]
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00:29:06,965 --> 00:29:08,488
TAYLOR: Being back on campus,
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00:29:08,619 --> 00:29:09,924
I've noticed that I'm a little
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00:29:10,055 --> 00:29:11,665
bit quieter than I used to be.
444
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:13,537
[footsteps on leaves]
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00:29:13,798 --> 00:29:15,887
I just kind of keep to myself,
446
00:29:16,017 --> 00:29:18,759
mostly because I don't know
who's seen the videos
447
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:21,762
and I don't know who could
potentially be involved in it.
448
00:29:22,676 --> 00:29:24,243
[footsteps]
449
00:29:27,376 --> 00:29:30,597
You know, there's this
big secret in my life
450
00:29:30,728 --> 00:29:35,080
that I don't really feel comfortable
telling people about.
451
00:29:36,168 --> 00:29:40,128
I think it's kind of caused me
to become a bit more cut off
452
00:29:40,259 --> 00:29:42,087
from all of my friends.
453
00:29:44,393 --> 00:29:46,483
VIDEO GAME: Enemy spotted.
454
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,226
JULIA: People are just like,
"oh my God, gamer girls!"
455
00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,882
or half the time, they expect you to just
be terrible because you're a girl.
456
00:29:56,754 --> 00:29:58,756
VIDEO GAME: One enemy remaining.
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00:29:59,104 --> 00:30:01,715
JULIA: I would love
to become a streamer.
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00:30:02,673 --> 00:30:04,979
My dream would be to have
a bunch of other girls
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00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,242
that I stream with regularly.
460
00:30:07,982 --> 00:30:09,984
VIDEO GAME:
Last player standing.
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00:30:10,158 --> 00:30:14,336
JULIA: There's some games, you literally
just open up your comms and say "Hi."
462
00:30:14,511 --> 00:30:16,643
They'll be like, "Fuck you,
go kill yourself."
463
00:30:16,774 --> 00:30:19,690
"Oh, is that a girl?
Like, go make me a sandwich."
464
00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:21,387
[gun shot]
465
00:30:22,127 --> 00:30:25,043
Oh, I just got head shot because
I was adjusting my volume!
466
00:30:27,567 --> 00:30:31,615
So one of the people we thought
could've been involved, Bobby,
467
00:30:31,745 --> 00:30:37,969
has been actually like posting images
of my freshman year roommate.
468
00:30:39,666 --> 00:30:41,538
There's a specific picture he has,
469
00:30:41,668 --> 00:30:43,322
I think he took it off of her Facebook,
470
00:30:43,452 --> 00:30:45,237
of like her holding a bunny.
471
00:30:46,673 --> 00:30:50,503
And he just keeps posting
that picture cropped in different ways
472
00:30:50,677 --> 00:30:54,681
and like he's been kind of creepy toward
a lot of girls that we don't even know.
473
00:30:54,812 --> 00:30:58,816
But we've seen his Twitter activity...
474
00:30:58,946 --> 00:31:01,122
We don't really know
what's going on with him.
475
00:31:02,689 --> 00:31:06,084
[moody music playing]
476
00:31:11,698 --> 00:31:14,353
TAYLOR: Bobby was displaying
some really odd behavior
477
00:31:14,483 --> 00:31:17,965
at the time that Julia and I
found out we were both targeted.
478
00:31:19,184 --> 00:31:23,057
Just so out of character from
the person that we knew freshman year.
479
00:31:27,322 --> 00:31:31,239
JULIA: He was posting really,
really long stories of like Hentai,
480
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:35,287
which is like
Japanese animated porn.
481
00:31:35,766 --> 00:31:39,944
And then stories where he's just running
in the middle of the road at night
482
00:31:40,074 --> 00:31:42,468
or like he'll say he just
got hit by a car.
483
00:31:43,817 --> 00:31:48,169
TAYLOR: He was posting almost cult-like
things on his social media,
484
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:52,870
making it seem like he was
in some video game world.
485
00:31:55,307 --> 00:31:59,659
JULIA: Some sort of like
apocalyptic god storyline.
486
00:32:04,882 --> 00:32:09,408
Talking about like "you mortals,"
and like talking down to humans.
487
00:32:14,369 --> 00:32:17,721
But he would mix it in with, like,
talking about golden showers...
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00:32:19,418 --> 00:32:24,945
On his regular Instagram and on Facebook,
like things his family can see.
489
00:32:28,601 --> 00:32:30,168
TAYLOR: It was clear from his posts
490
00:32:30,298 --> 00:32:35,260
that he was very much
in this like Internet culture.
491
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:36,957
[footsteps]
492
00:32:38,306 --> 00:32:42,571
TAYLOR: If it is Bobby, the police need to
do something about it. Now.
493
00:32:42,702 --> 00:32:44,356
JULIA: Yeah, he's unstable.
494
00:32:44,704 --> 00:32:48,012
[heavy breathing]
495
00:33:03,897 --> 00:33:05,856
[Taylor groans]
496
00:33:23,177 --> 00:33:28,748
TAYLOR: Hey, so I guess just an update of
what's been going on recently.
497
00:33:28,879 --> 00:33:34,145
I spoke to a state police
officer yesterday and...
498
00:33:35,624 --> 00:33:39,585
The problem is
that they're...
499
00:33:39,716 --> 00:33:41,108
...sorry...
500
00:33:44,633 --> 00:33:51,162
The problem is, whoever did this
used a VPN for everything.
501
00:33:51,858 --> 00:33:54,643
So the state cop
basically told me that
502
00:33:55,209 --> 00:33:57,516
they really can't figure out
who did it-
503
00:33:57,646 --> 00:33:59,431
or not that they
can't figure it out,
504
00:33:59,605 --> 00:34:02,521
but that they haven't been
able to figure it out so far.
505
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,916
If this person really was
smart enough
506
00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:08,048
to use a VPN for everything
and didn't slip up
507
00:34:08,179 --> 00:34:12,139
and accidentally log in
from their own IP address,
508
00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:13,662
Um...
509
00:34:13,837 --> 00:34:15,969
Then I'm not I'm not
going to find out who did this,
510
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:18,972
and I'll likely never know.
511
00:34:19,973 --> 00:34:20,887
Um...
512
00:34:21,670 --> 00:34:24,238
And at that point, the best thing that
I could hope for is that
513
00:34:24,369 --> 00:34:27,067
the videos just get taken down and the
person doesn't do this again.
514
00:34:27,241 --> 00:34:29,722
You know, I would love to
have that story of like,
515
00:34:30,549 --> 00:34:33,421
you figure out who did it and you
bring them to justice
516
00:34:33,552 --> 00:34:36,250
and you take them to court,
and you make sure
517
00:34:36,381 --> 00:34:38,818
that they never are able
to do this again.
518
00:34:38,949 --> 00:34:43,823
But sometimes it just doesn't
work out like that, sometimes-
519
00:34:43,997 --> 00:34:46,304
sometimes the bad guys
actually win.
520
00:34:50,961 --> 00:34:52,092
Yeah.
521
00:34:53,093 --> 00:34:54,225
Cool.
522
00:34:57,228 --> 00:35:00,622
I'm sorry this didn't really
have a conclusion, but thanks.
523
00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:11,024
[ambient music playing]
524
00:35:22,862 --> 00:35:25,734
TAYLOR: So a new video
was uploaded of me.
525
00:35:27,345 --> 00:35:29,173
It was really, really bad.
526
00:35:37,703 --> 00:35:39,270
I'm worried.
527
00:35:40,097 --> 00:35:42,360
Knowing that the perpetrator
is still active...
528
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,581
I'm worried that they're going
to do something more drastic.
529
00:35:47,931 --> 00:35:50,890
I'm worried all the time.
530
00:35:53,371 --> 00:35:55,329
[fire roaring]
531
00:35:55,895 --> 00:35:59,420
I deal with a lot of anxiety
and a lot of OCD.
532
00:35:59,551 --> 00:36:02,728
And the anxiety is really bad,
especially now.
533
00:36:03,424 --> 00:36:06,732
With the deepfakes, I feel like I'm not
in control anymore.
534
00:36:06,863 --> 00:36:09,648
And because I feel like
I'm not in control
535
00:36:09,778 --> 00:36:11,911
in that one area of my life,
536
00:36:12,216 --> 00:36:16,046
it's causing me to feel out of
control in other areas of my life.
537
00:36:17,786 --> 00:36:19,963
I should, let me say that again,
538
00:36:20,093 --> 00:36:22,922
because I think it's important
for people to know.
539
00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:27,884
I have always worried about
things that don't make sense.
540
00:36:28,014 --> 00:36:29,581
[wind gusting]
541
00:36:29,711 --> 00:36:33,977
I feel the compulsion to like,
know how others perceive me
542
00:36:34,151 --> 00:36:36,718
and I need that
to be in a positive way.
543
00:36:36,849 --> 00:36:39,939
That's just how my brain works,
is like... I'm a people pleaser.
544
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:41,375
I need... I want...
545
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:43,725
I never want people
to perceive me in a way
546
00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:46,815
that's not like professional
and not good.
547
00:36:47,251 --> 00:36:51,951
And I feel like what these videos did
is just like, destroy that.
548
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:58,915
My OCD generally manifests
itself into, like... I...
549
00:36:59,045 --> 00:37:00,394
I check things a lot.
550
00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:05,269
I check... I check to see if,
like, the door is locked.
551
00:37:05,399 --> 00:37:06,879
I check to see
if my car is locked.
552
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:08,228
I check that things are off...
553
00:37:08,402 --> 00:37:09,360
Um...
554
00:37:09,490 --> 00:37:11,536
and I - I repeatedly check them.
555
00:37:12,841 --> 00:37:13,886
And it's... it's...
556
00:37:14,017 --> 00:37:15,670
It's kind of like a broken record.
557
00:37:15,801 --> 00:37:16,933
[water gushing]
558
00:37:17,063 --> 00:37:17,934
[fire roaring]
559
00:37:18,064 --> 00:37:19,718
[objects crashing]
560
00:37:20,937 --> 00:37:27,204
It just can get like, all consuming,
where I will worry for hours.
561
00:37:27,334 --> 00:37:31,382
about something I've said, or worry for
hours about if something's locked.
562
00:37:31,556 --> 00:37:34,211
or if something's going to
catch fire or something like,
563
00:37:34,515 --> 00:37:38,955
you know, little things that
just will consume my mind.
564
00:37:39,868 --> 00:37:41,174
[objects crashing]
565
00:37:42,610 --> 00:37:45,178
[ambient music playing]
566
00:37:48,921 --> 00:37:50,836
So, I'm just... I'm angry.
567
00:37:53,578 --> 00:37:56,973
I am done sitting around
and waiting.
568
00:38:00,628 --> 00:38:04,589
You can't just do this and
then move on with your life
569
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,636
and prevent me from moving on
with my life.
570
00:38:10,725 --> 00:38:14,381
[ambient music playing]
571
00:38:35,533 --> 00:38:36,403
TAYLOR: How are you?
572
00:38:36,534 --> 00:38:37,839
JULIA: Am I rotated?
573
00:38:38,014 --> 00:38:39,450
TAYLOR: Yeah.
574
00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:41,582
JULIA: One second. Sorry.
I have the rotate lock on.
575
00:38:42,757 --> 00:38:44,150
OK. Yeah, there we go.
576
00:38:45,021 --> 00:38:47,371
TAYLOR: I spoke to a lawyer
the other day
577
00:38:47,501 --> 00:38:50,156
and he told me to get
screenshots of anything
578
00:38:50,287 --> 00:38:52,202
that looks like evidence.
579
00:38:52,376 --> 00:38:53,420
JULIA: Mhm...
580
00:38:53,551 --> 00:38:55,770
TAYLOR: I've never been
on 4chan before,
581
00:38:55,901 --> 00:38:59,339
so I would not know what
to look at or how to search it.
582
00:38:59,818 --> 00:39:03,561
Kevin, do you remember what the
4chan archive was that we used?
583
00:39:06,433 --> 00:39:08,566
JULIA: It's just called
4chan search dot com.
584
00:39:26,366 --> 00:39:27,541
TAYLOR: Oh, gosh.
585
00:39:27,672 --> 00:39:29,891
Oh, no. That's not
what I meant to search.
586
00:39:33,504 --> 00:39:34,809
What the fuck?
587
00:39:36,811 --> 00:39:40,815
So it looks like what this
thread is, is people editing...
588
00:39:42,121 --> 00:39:43,992
...cum onto people's faces.
589
00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:46,734
That's a new one.
590
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:57,919
TAYLOR: Oh God, I do not enjoy
searching for this kind of stuff.
591
00:39:58,311 --> 00:39:59,443
JULIA: Yeah...
592
00:39:59,573 --> 00:40:01,184
This is not pleasant.
593
00:40:09,627 --> 00:40:12,412
TAYLOR: That's the thing with trying
to do this type of stuff,
594
00:40:12,543 --> 00:40:14,240
you come across stuff
that you don't...
595
00:40:14,371 --> 00:40:15,807
JULIA: Wait...
596
00:40:16,068 --> 00:40:17,983
I found it.
597
00:40:18,201 --> 00:40:19,854
TAYLOR: Like the picture?
598
00:40:20,072 --> 00:40:21,856
JULIA: Like the deepfake.
599
00:40:25,469 --> 00:40:28,385
Have you ever heard Mike
or Bobby use the word chick?
600
00:40:30,082 --> 00:40:31,431
TAYLOR: No, never.
601
00:40:34,217 --> 00:40:36,697
Someone asked where do you
find the footage to do these?
602
00:40:36,828 --> 00:40:39,613
Then someone said, just scrape their
Facebook and Instagram,
603
00:40:39,744 --> 00:40:41,006
you need like 150 images.
604
00:40:41,137 --> 00:40:43,051
JULIA: Yeah, I saw that.
605
00:40:43,313 --> 00:40:44,618
I'll take screenshots of that.
606
00:40:44,749 --> 00:40:45,706
JULIA: OK.
607
00:40:47,143 --> 00:40:50,711
Further down in the thread
of my deepfake
608
00:40:50,842 --> 00:40:54,106
is the same like video
that like my face is on.
609
00:40:54,237 --> 00:40:57,196
The name of the file
is called Sadie.
610
00:40:58,502 --> 00:41:00,330
Which was one of Mike's friends.
611
00:41:00,808 --> 00:41:02,070
But I don't remember...
612
00:41:02,375 --> 00:41:03,594
TAYLOR: Oh, that girl.
613
00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:05,770
Yeah, I know who
you're talking about.
614
00:41:05,944 --> 00:41:10,122
I don't know if I'd be able
to say definitively if it's Sadie or not.
615
00:41:10,731 --> 00:41:13,517
My boyfriend just showed me
a picture of Sadie's face
616
00:41:13,647 --> 00:41:16,868
for comparison, which I
thought she had lighter hair,
617
00:41:16,998 --> 00:41:20,001
so that could actually be her.
618
00:41:20,132 --> 00:41:24,180
JULIA: There seems to be like
a request from "Krelish."
619
00:41:24,484 --> 00:41:26,965
Like, this person actually has
like a username.
620
00:41:29,968 --> 00:41:33,798
TAYLOR: It says
"Hi you horny anons.
621
00:41:33,928 --> 00:41:36,757
Krelish is here with a
new cumshop request thread,
622
00:41:36,888 --> 00:41:38,846
in exchange I want some of
you anons
623
00:41:38,977 --> 00:41:41,371
to fake girls of mine."
624
00:41:46,245 --> 00:41:49,901
TAYLOR: Wait. I know her.
Yeah, I know her.
625
00:41:50,031 --> 00:41:50,989
JULIA: Who?
626
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:52,686
TAYLOR: She went to our school.
627
00:41:55,036 --> 00:41:57,648
So I should probably send her a message.
628
00:41:59,302 --> 00:42:00,781
JULIA: I found Vanessa.
TAYLOR: Where?
629
00:42:00,999 --> 00:42:03,349
JULIA: Here. Let me share.
TAYLOR: Where's Vanessa?
630
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,786
JULIA: See look, this is
definitely her.
631
00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:07,397
TAYLOR: That's for sure Vanessa.
632
00:42:07,527 --> 00:42:08,876
JULIA: And there's Nina.
633
00:42:09,007 --> 00:42:12,053
TAYLOR: Oh, God.
Which one was she?
634
00:42:12,184 --> 00:42:14,230
Wait, there's a second one of Nina.
635
00:42:14,404 --> 00:42:15,361
Further down.
636
00:42:15,492 --> 00:42:17,145
Am I showing my screen?
637
00:42:17,276 --> 00:42:18,756
TAYLOR: Yeah.
638
00:42:18,886 --> 00:42:21,976
JULIA: Is it possible that this
Krelish is his username?
639
00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:24,675
Because it seems like he's
posting most of these pictures.
640
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:28,940
There's three pictures of Nina.
641
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:30,158
This one's Nina too.
642
00:42:30,289 --> 00:42:32,465
[computer error sound]
643
00:42:32,596 --> 00:42:34,554
Oh, my God. What is this sound?
644
00:42:34,859 --> 00:42:37,165
TAYLOR: Oh, my God.
That's Sadie. That's Sadie.
645
00:42:37,296 --> 00:42:38,950
That's... that's Mike's friend.
646
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,907
JULIA: Where? Where?
647
00:42:40,038 --> 00:42:41,431
TAYLOR: Go - It's Krelish.
648
00:42:41,561 --> 00:42:43,607
Go down, about halfway down the page.
649
00:42:43,781 --> 00:42:45,478
That's her. That is - That's her.
650
00:42:46,566 --> 00:42:49,134
JULIA: Can you like...
TAYLOR: And that's her again.
651
00:42:49,569 --> 00:42:51,571
JULIA: It's definitely him then.
There's no way.
652
00:42:52,572 --> 00:42:53,704
TAYLOR: Oh my God.
653
00:42:56,446 --> 00:42:58,012
[sighs]
654
00:43:01,668 --> 00:43:06,369
[overwhelming music playing]
655
00:43:20,296 --> 00:43:23,429
JULIA: Mike was the only
person that knew Sadie,
656
00:43:23,603 --> 00:43:25,736
and the other women posted
in this thread.
657
00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:29,522
[dramatic music playing]
658
00:43:29,653 --> 00:43:32,177
TAYLOR: Mike had a pretty
similar relationship with them
659
00:43:32,308 --> 00:43:34,614
as he had with me and Julia,
660
00:43:34,745 --> 00:43:38,096
which is like really
being dependent on them
661
00:43:38,226 --> 00:43:40,011
for emotional support.
662
00:43:42,143 --> 00:43:45,973
JULIA: Mike expected for me
to drop everything at a moment's notice.
663
00:43:46,104 --> 00:43:48,715
If I was studying for
a test or doing an assignment,
664
00:43:48,846 --> 00:43:51,892
he would still expect that
you know I would be on demand.
665
00:43:55,809 --> 00:44:00,205
Maybe he felt like he was
entitled to all the attention
666
00:44:00,336 --> 00:44:03,469
and all of the support
that he wanted from us.
667
00:44:06,254 --> 00:44:08,866
And when we set
boundaries for ourselves,
668
00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:12,217
I think that's what...
what made him vengeful.
669
00:44:21,618 --> 00:44:23,924
TAYLOR: The fact that the
group of women is this big,
670
00:44:24,055 --> 00:44:26,666
it scares me, because I just
I have a gut feeling that...
671
00:44:26,797 --> 00:44:28,929
we haven't even found
all of them.
672
00:44:41,768 --> 00:44:43,161
JULIA: Oh damn.
673
00:44:43,291 --> 00:44:46,512
This is so fucking creepy.
And this was in 2018.
674
00:44:52,866 --> 00:44:54,912
This is literally a picture
I took...
675
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:57,480
...with Mike.
676
00:44:58,394 --> 00:45:02,180
I remember like we made mimosas
for his birthday freshman year,
677
00:45:02,354 --> 00:45:04,878
and like, because he wasn't doing
anything and I wanted to cheer him up,
678
00:45:05,009 --> 00:45:07,881
So we, we had mimosas, like,
in my room.
679
00:45:08,012 --> 00:45:09,666
And, like, that
picture's on here.
680
00:45:09,796 --> 00:45:12,582
That's so fucked up.
That's, like, so fucked up.
681
00:45:27,597 --> 00:45:32,036
TAYLOR: What - I'm sorry, excuse my
language, but this was 2019,
682
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:33,864
what the fuck?
683
00:45:36,083 --> 00:45:38,869
That's weird. This is...
684
00:45:39,739 --> 00:45:42,263
Is that more recent
than anything else?
685
00:45:42,394 --> 00:45:44,440
TAYLOR: No. That's like a year
before anything else.
686
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:49,096
That's a year before any of the other
deepfakes were made.
687
00:45:49,749 --> 00:45:52,317
TAYLOR: This was probably like,
right after our falling out,
688
00:45:52,448 --> 00:45:55,712
like, right after
we had our big fight.
689
00:45:55,842 --> 00:45:57,148
Yeah.
690
00:45:57,322 --> 00:45:59,237
TAYLOR: Hold on. Just
give me one second.
691
00:45:59,411 --> 00:46:00,978
[web cam switches off]
692
00:46:06,026 --> 00:46:06,897
TAYLOR:
693
00:46:07,027 --> 00:46:08,072
JAMIE:
694
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:13,860
TAYLOR:
695
00:46:13,991 --> 00:46:15,993
JAMIE:
696
00:46:16,123 --> 00:46:17,951
TAYLOR:
697
00:46:21,651 --> 00:46:23,000
JAMIE:
698
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:24,828
TAYLOR:
699
00:46:24,958 --> 00:46:26,786
JAMIE:
700
00:46:27,004 --> 00:46:28,309
I'm...
701
00:46:30,964 --> 00:46:33,576
No, but...
Like it's fucked up.
702
00:46:33,967 --> 00:46:36,579
Like, we shared a bathroom Jamie,
we shared a bathroom
703
00:46:36,709 --> 00:46:38,537
when he was doing this.
704
00:46:38,929 --> 00:46:41,235
He could have, like,
I don't know what else he has.
705
00:46:41,366 --> 00:46:43,150
Like, I was taking
showers and he was like,
706
00:46:43,281 --> 00:46:44,543
you know, 20 feet away.
707
00:46:46,284 --> 00:46:47,851
It's fucked.
It's like, super fucked.
708
00:46:56,555 --> 00:46:59,079
OK. What am I
reverse image searching?
709
00:47:07,044 --> 00:47:08,611
This one is of, of me.
710
00:47:09,481 --> 00:47:13,354
My face. I recognize
the picture from my...
711
00:47:14,138 --> 00:47:16,053
I don't know, I think
it was on Facebook.
712
00:47:16,183 --> 00:47:18,098
I think it was
on my Facebook profile.
713
00:47:18,446 --> 00:47:21,275
And yeah, this one was made...
714
00:47:22,668 --> 00:47:25,541
...right around the time that
Mike and I had a falling out.
715
00:47:28,326 --> 00:47:29,893
So, it's clear to me now that
716
00:47:30,023 --> 00:47:31,459
he was doing all of this
717
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:33,636
while we were
very close friends.
718
00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:36,682
So, you know, at times when
I would have considered him
719
00:47:36,813 --> 00:47:37,901
one of my best friends.
720
00:47:48,694 --> 00:47:52,393
[somber music playing]
721
00:47:54,178 --> 00:47:58,356
TAYLOR: Junior year, we
lived together again.
722
00:48:00,663 --> 00:48:02,882
And he really started to like,
723
00:48:03,013 --> 00:48:05,450
I think, lean on me
more and more and more.
724
00:48:08,235 --> 00:48:10,498
I would be in my room
with my door closed.
725
00:48:10,673 --> 00:48:12,370
And like,
every time I would hear like,
726
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,373
a very, like, faint
knocking on the door,
727
00:48:15,503 --> 00:48:17,941
I knew it was him needing to talk.
728
00:48:21,858 --> 00:48:24,338
It got to the point
where it was like,
729
00:48:24,730 --> 00:48:26,689
I couldn't take on
all of the things
730
00:48:26,819 --> 00:48:28,560
that were going on in his life.
731
00:48:31,911 --> 00:48:34,392
And that's where it started
to go downhill was when I -
732
00:48:34,522 --> 00:48:36,089
I kind of put a boundary there.
733
00:48:41,704 --> 00:48:44,228
TAYLOR: One afternoon after class,
734
00:48:44,358 --> 00:48:47,231
Mike had turned to me to say,
like, can we talk later?
735
00:48:49,842 --> 00:48:51,757
Something in me just like snapped,
736
00:48:51,888 --> 00:48:54,804
and I, yeah, I just couldn't.
I just lost it.
737
00:49:07,338 --> 00:49:11,559
He kind of like shrunk
a little bit, he kind of got quiet.
738
00:49:15,389 --> 00:49:19,567
And we like didn't
really speak after that.
739
00:49:22,788 --> 00:49:25,878
That's how it was for the rest of
the time that we lived together.
740
00:49:26,444 --> 00:49:29,621
[somber music playing]
741
00:49:31,057 --> 00:49:36,410
I think that Mike saw any slight as a
really deep betrayal.
742
00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:41,851
I don't know if he thinks
he's wrong in this.
743
00:49:41,981 --> 00:49:45,202
I don't know if he feels that he is, like,
a perpetrator in this.
744
00:49:46,551 --> 00:49:51,338
I believe that in his mind
he's getting back at us for,
745
00:49:51,469 --> 00:49:52,992
you know, wronging him.
746
00:50:15,754 --> 00:50:18,931
JULIA: Just googling Krelish and
I already have stuff coming up.
747
00:50:19,192 --> 00:50:22,761
TAYLOR: Yeah, it looks like
he used to have a profile on...
748
00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:25,633
something called MrDeepFakes.com.
749
00:50:38,168 --> 00:50:41,258
TAYLOR: I searched the username...
750
00:50:44,087 --> 00:50:47,568
There's this one girl who's like
on here a lot for some reason.
751
00:50:48,744 --> 00:50:50,789
I don't recognize her.
752
00:50:51,834 --> 00:50:54,575
JULIA: Yeah. Her name was also
in the thread with my deepfake,
753
00:50:54,706 --> 00:50:55,881
I'm pretty sure...
754
00:50:58,579 --> 00:51:00,407
Oh, she's an ASMR YouTuber.
755
00:51:00,886 --> 00:51:04,063
She has 4.5 million
subscribers.
756
00:51:20,558 --> 00:51:22,690
TAYLOR: This looks like...
757
00:51:22,821 --> 00:51:26,564
basically an instruction set
on how to create deepfakes.
758
00:51:40,447 --> 00:51:44,147
It says he has like 1.6 million
views. Like, that's wild.
759
00:51:44,277 --> 00:51:48,107
Like who... And it says...
But he only joined a year ago.
760
00:51:50,109 --> 00:51:52,808
TAYLOR: It says he posted 132 videos.
761
00:51:52,938 --> 00:51:54,070
That's fucking insane.
762
00:51:55,027 --> 00:51:57,813
Clearly this was like what
he did in his free time.
763
00:51:59,031 --> 00:52:00,728
Someone that like...
764
00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:05,298
...knew me on a very, very,
very personal level.
765
00:52:05,429 --> 00:52:08,649
It's hard to believe that, like, he...
766
00:52:08,911 --> 00:52:14,830
he has this complete other world that
none of us knew about.
767
00:52:19,356 --> 00:52:23,403
[intense music playing]
768
00:52:27,712 --> 00:52:30,367
VOICES: This isn't just
some sort of hobby anymore.
769
00:52:30,497 --> 00:52:33,326
This is a potentially
lucrative business.
770
00:52:34,327 --> 00:52:37,635
Now you can do it by handing someone
a few bucks over the Internet,
771
00:52:37,853 --> 00:52:40,856
and they'll make one for you
with a video of your target,
772
00:52:40,986 --> 00:52:42,596
the length of an Instagram story.
773
00:52:44,816 --> 00:52:50,039
There are 9,500 sites that specialize in
non-consensual intimate imagery.
774
00:52:51,518 --> 00:52:54,521
That is an exponential growth.
775
00:52:57,698 --> 00:53:02,138
This is not a phenomenon of
weirdos, perverts or oddballs.
776
00:53:02,268 --> 00:53:05,706
There's simply too many of them.
777
00:53:05,837 --> 00:53:08,622
It is everyday people.
778
00:53:09,232 --> 00:53:13,323
It's a professor.
It's a politician.
779
00:53:15,368 --> 00:53:18,589
It's the mayor of a small town
in Denmark.
780
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,116
I mean, these are the people who've gotten
caught in countries around the world.
781
00:53:24,464 --> 00:53:26,902
The biggest deepfake porn
website that I'm aware of,
782
00:53:27,032 --> 00:53:29,165
is averaging about
14 millions hits a month.
783
00:53:31,689 --> 00:53:35,954
There is no woman in the world
who is safe from this technology.
784
00:53:45,833 --> 00:53:46,834
TAYLOR: How's it going?
785
00:53:46,965 --> 00:53:47,966
Good, how are you?
786
00:53:49,098 --> 00:53:53,580
TAYLOR: So I got, like,
a bunch of, like, evidence,
787
00:53:53,711 --> 00:53:55,669
and people that we might know.
788
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,672
I can, like, for sure
send it to you if you'd like.
789
00:53:58,890 --> 00:53:59,760
JULIA: Mhm.
790
00:53:59,891 --> 00:54:01,240
But I think we're up to, like...
791
00:54:01,371 --> 00:54:02,589
God, probably like...
792
00:54:03,721 --> 00:54:05,505
[hesitates] five girls?
793
00:54:05,636 --> 00:54:06,419
Five or six?
794
00:54:06,550 --> 00:54:07,377
JULIA: Yeah.
795
00:54:07,507 --> 00:54:08,682
TAYLOR: One... Two...
796
00:54:09,857 --> 00:54:10,815
Six.
797
00:54:11,424 --> 00:54:13,035
Yeah, you can send it to me.
798
00:54:13,165 --> 00:54:14,297
TAYLOR: OK.
799
00:54:14,558 --> 00:54:16,647
See if I recognize anyone.
800
00:54:16,777 --> 00:54:18,257
So many penises as well.
801
00:54:18,388 --> 00:54:20,346
[laughs]
802
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,435
The physics of it doesn't
even make sense.
803
00:54:22,566 --> 00:54:26,962
[laughing]
804
00:54:27,092 --> 00:54:28,354
Looking forward to it.
805
00:54:28,485 --> 00:54:29,312
[laughing]
806
00:54:29,442 --> 00:54:30,791
I'll get a nice glass of wine.
807
00:54:30,922 --> 00:54:32,097
TAYLOR: Yeah, get like a...
808
00:54:33,577 --> 00:54:35,187
Mike really had
some time on his hands.
809
00:54:35,318 --> 00:54:38,060
Yeah. Very concerned about his
classes as I'm remembering.
810
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:40,366
Clearly he was doing
several other things.
811
00:54:40,497 --> 00:54:41,541
I know.
812
00:54:47,591 --> 00:54:50,507
[intense music playing]
813
00:54:56,687 --> 00:54:59,995
[phone buzzing]
814
00:55:03,215 --> 00:55:06,392
[intense music playing]
815
00:55:09,613 --> 00:55:13,965
TAYLOR: I spoke to the police
and I gave them Mike's name...
816
00:55:14,705 --> 00:55:17,925
and they were able to
speak to him on the phone.
817
00:55:21,146 --> 00:55:25,237
They told me that he
never admitted doing it,
818
00:55:25,368 --> 00:55:27,500
but that he also never
denied it.
819
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:33,985
The cop, he kind of like detailed
his conversation with Mike
820
00:55:34,116 --> 00:55:37,597
and he said, "“Listen," you know,
"We both know that
821
00:55:37,902 --> 00:55:40,426
there's really nothing else
that can be done about this,
822
00:55:40,557 --> 00:55:43,603
but we need to understand this
isn't going to happen again, right?"
823
00:55:43,734 --> 00:55:46,432
and Mike'’s like, "“No, it's
not going to happen again."”
824
00:55:47,955 --> 00:55:51,872
[intense music playing]
825
00:55:52,003 --> 00:55:56,094
TAYLOR: They did say that he, like,
thanked them at the end of the call
826
00:55:56,225 --> 00:55:58,531
for their handling of this.
827
00:56:02,057 --> 00:56:05,451
And then, they told me
they had closed the case.
828
00:56:11,892 --> 00:56:13,938
[intense music playing]
829
00:56:29,084 --> 00:56:31,086
JAMIE: I mean, you could try
messaging him.
830
00:56:31,216 --> 00:56:34,480
TAYLOR: Yeah, I could message him...
JAMIE: See if he admits it.
831
00:56:34,611 --> 00:56:35,786
TAYLOR: I just like...
832
00:56:37,396 --> 00:56:38,789
There'’s no like...
833
00:56:39,137 --> 00:56:40,182
There'’s no... There'’s no...
834
00:56:40,443 --> 00:56:42,488
There is closure but there'’s
no like...
835
00:56:43,837 --> 00:56:46,579
You know, like, I don'’t know if Andrew
will kick him out of the group chat
836
00:56:46,753 --> 00:56:48,407
I don'’t know if...
837
00:56:49,278 --> 00:56:51,410
If he does, if that enough to
get him to like, do it again?
838
00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:52,977
'cause like...
839
00:56:53,456 --> 00:56:56,459
Cutting him off from his
friends might, you know...
840
00:56:57,721 --> 00:57:00,637
Be enough for him to like,
hate me enough to do it again.
841
00:57:01,028 --> 00:57:02,856
I don'’t know what to do...
842
00:57:21,136 --> 00:57:23,616
TAYLOR: On my freshman
moving day to CTech,
843
00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:26,532
I was terrified that I wasn't
going to make any friends.
844
00:57:31,233 --> 00:57:32,843
I remember the night
before, I was just like,
845
00:57:32,973 --> 00:57:35,411
I'm like not - I don't think
I'm ready for tomorrow.
846
00:57:35,541 --> 00:57:36,934
Um...
847
00:57:37,064 --> 00:57:40,764
We got there. My parents,
like, got me to my dorm.
848
00:57:40,938 --> 00:57:45,464
We, like, moved in and then,
my parents were going to leave
849
00:57:45,638 --> 00:57:48,598
and I was like, I'm not
ready for them to leave.
850
00:57:48,728 --> 00:57:51,731
And so they were like,
we'll go get you...
851
00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:53,733
something you need
from the store.
852
00:57:53,951 --> 00:57:57,650
And they did. And then they
came back and I was like not.
853
00:57:57,781 --> 00:57:59,043
I'm sorry, I'm getting a...
854
00:57:59,174 --> 00:58:00,958
I was not ready
for them to leave.
855
00:58:02,351 --> 00:58:04,222
Wow. I didn't think I'd cry
on camera.
856
00:58:06,224 --> 00:58:08,008
I was not ready
for them to leave.
857
00:58:08,139 --> 00:58:11,838
And then we sat down
in our freshman hallway
858
00:58:12,448 --> 00:58:15,015
with all the people
who became my best friends
859
00:58:15,146 --> 00:58:17,801
and started college.
860
00:58:17,931 --> 00:58:19,150
And it was really scary.
861
00:58:24,286 --> 00:58:26,810
I'm sor-- I really didn't think
this was going to happen!
862
00:58:27,419 --> 00:58:28,420
[sighs]
863
00:58:30,814 --> 00:58:32,424
OK. I'm good.
864
00:58:34,687 --> 00:58:37,560
TAYLOR: It's really hard
to, to think about
865
00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:41,259
because, you know, sitting
in that hallway,
866
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:44,523
when I was really upset
and really just vulnerable,
867
00:58:44,654 --> 00:58:47,091
was Mike and Bobby.
868
00:58:47,222 --> 00:58:51,313
And they really became
my home away from home.
869
00:58:51,574 --> 00:58:53,315
I trusted these people so much
870
00:58:53,445 --> 00:58:56,883
and I was so vulnerable to all
of them because it was just,
871
00:58:57,014 --> 00:58:58,885
You know, I think we were all pretty
vulnerable at that point.
872
00:58:59,016 --> 00:59:01,105
It was our first time away
from home,
873
00:59:01,236 --> 00:59:02,541
Uh...
874
00:59:02,672 --> 00:59:04,978
and now it just, you know,
that like innocence
875
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:07,111
that we all had then
is just gone.
876
00:59:10,462 --> 00:59:12,464
[moody music playing]
877
00:59:12,638 --> 00:59:18,296
[muffled male voices]
878
00:59:19,689 --> 00:59:22,518
TAYLOR: He's still friends
with all of my friends and...
879
00:59:22,648 --> 00:59:26,696
it's tough because I can't
really tell them about it.
880
00:59:26,826 --> 00:59:29,481
I tried telling one of them
and he didn't really believe me,
881
00:59:29,612 --> 00:59:30,569
that it was him.
882
00:59:31,527 --> 00:59:34,051
TAYLOR: I'm trying not to blame him...
883
00:59:34,356 --> 00:59:36,358
because, like, he is just
trying to keep the peace.
884
00:59:36,619 --> 00:59:39,361
[muffled male voices]
885
00:59:39,665 --> 00:59:41,580
Because the police
didn't do anything,
886
00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:44,104
it feels like it's kind
of my word against his.
887
00:59:45,149 --> 00:59:49,109
It just makes me nervous,
you know, slandering him.
888
00:59:49,936 --> 00:59:51,808
I definitely worry
that something would happen
889
00:59:51,938 --> 00:59:55,290
where people wouldn't like me,
or people would turn against me.
890
00:59:55,420 --> 00:59:59,511
[muffled male voices]
891
00:59:59,816 --> 01:00:02,906
TAYLOR: It feels like I've had to deal
with all of the consequences
892
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,777
that he should have had
to deal with.
893
01:00:05,082 --> 01:00:08,955
Like I've had to leave the
friend group and he hasn't.
894
01:00:20,053 --> 01:00:21,751
ADAM: In a perfect world
for someone to say,
895
01:00:21,881 --> 01:00:24,101
all right, we're going
to get you whatever you want
896
01:00:24,231 --> 01:00:25,842
as far as an outcome for this,
897
01:00:25,972 --> 01:00:28,366
what would...what would
that look like for you?
898
01:00:28,714 --> 01:00:31,456
Yeah, I don't know. It's a
tough question because, like,
899
01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:34,154
you know, I think that that's
kind of shifted in my mind now.
900
01:00:34,285 --> 01:00:35,852
I don't really know if there
really is anything
901
01:00:35,982 --> 01:00:38,245
that can be done to make up
for what happened so...
902
01:00:38,724 --> 01:00:41,205
I mean, you should be really
proud of yourself, though.
903
01:00:41,336 --> 01:00:46,341
I mean, you got a lot further
in the criminal justice process
904
01:00:46,471 --> 01:00:48,386
than most folks that
I've worked with.
905
01:00:48,517 --> 01:00:50,780
So you must have really
advocated hard for yourself.
906
01:00:50,954 --> 01:00:52,172
Yeah, thank you.
907
01:00:53,609 --> 01:00:55,045
TAYLOR: Here's the thing. I guess...
908
01:00:55,175 --> 01:00:56,351
here's my question is... Um...
909
01:00:57,830 --> 01:01:00,398
When talking about, like,
what he did,
910
01:01:00,529 --> 01:01:03,183
am I able to say,
based on my recollection,
911
01:01:03,314 --> 01:01:05,185
and on my hunch,
I think he did it.
912
01:01:05,316 --> 01:01:08,145
Would that be like slanderous towards
him in any way?
913
01:01:08,275 --> 01:01:12,192
Or am I am I supposed to just, like, not
talk about it at all?
914
01:01:12,323 --> 01:01:13,759
OK, so I want you to know -
915
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:15,718
what you're thinking and
how you're feeling about this,
916
01:01:15,848 --> 01:01:17,023
very normal.
917
01:01:17,154 --> 01:01:18,764
And I get why
you want to be careful.
918
01:01:18,895 --> 01:01:20,810
But you're the last person,
919
01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:23,378
of everybody involved
in this so far,
920
01:01:23,508 --> 01:01:25,162
you're the last person who
should be worried about
921
01:01:25,292 --> 01:01:27,686
doing something wrong
or saying something wrong.
922
01:01:27,904 --> 01:01:29,514
And frankly,
923
01:01:29,645 --> 01:01:32,125
that is a form of
silencing you. Right?
924
01:01:32,256 --> 01:01:33,257
Um...
925
01:01:33,388 --> 01:01:34,780
That is never OK.
926
01:01:40,569 --> 01:01:45,356
[suspenseful music playing]
927
01:02:23,089 --> 01:02:25,004
GIBI: Hello.
928
01:02:25,135 --> 01:02:26,223
[tapping]
929
01:02:26,353 --> 01:02:28,007
Look up. Look to the side.
930
01:02:28,138 --> 01:02:29,226
[liquid sounds]
931
01:02:29,356 --> 01:02:31,924
May I know your name?
932
01:02:32,098 --> 01:02:33,491
[clicking]
933
01:02:33,622 --> 01:02:35,319
I'm going to go ahead
and map out your face here.
934
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:36,668
[cutting]
935
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:40,977
I could figure it out on my own, but...
936
01:02:41,107 --> 01:02:43,022
I wanted to ask permission.
937
01:02:45,851 --> 01:02:47,505
GIBI: Hello!
TAYLOR: Hi, how's it going?
938
01:02:47,636 --> 01:02:49,725
GIBI: Good. How are you?
939
01:02:49,855 --> 01:02:51,117
TAYLOR: Good.
940
01:02:51,248 --> 01:02:52,641
Cool. It's so nice to meet you,
I'm [bleep]
941
01:02:52,771 --> 01:02:53,772
GIBI: Nice to meet you.
942
01:02:53,903 --> 01:02:55,252
TAYLOR: Oh, t hat's my real name.
943
01:02:55,382 --> 01:02:57,733
GIBI: You can call me Gibi
TAYLOR: I'm Taylor.
944
01:02:57,863 --> 01:02:59,430
So, yeah, I guess.
945
01:02:59,561 --> 01:03:02,302
I guess... I guess you were also...
946
01:03:02,564 --> 01:03:04,522
targeted by um...
947
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,656
...this kid that targeted me, which I'm so
sorry that it happened to you.
948
01:03:07,786 --> 01:03:09,309
GIBI: Is it the same one?
949
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,789
I know, I was like,
sorry to meet under the circumstances.
950
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,356
TAYLOR: Yeah...
951
01:03:12,487 --> 01:03:14,053
I'm happy to give you
whatever information you want.
952
01:03:14,184 --> 01:03:15,490
Yeah, sure. Send it over.
953
01:03:15,620 --> 01:03:17,622
Here's the username.
954
01:03:17,753 --> 01:03:20,146
And then here's his actual name.
955
01:03:21,974 --> 01:03:25,500
So the account has
28 videos of you, Gibi,
956
01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:30,330
and it has 536,011 views
in total.
957
01:03:30,461 --> 01:03:31,941
Holy shit.
958
01:03:32,071 --> 01:03:34,117
I mean it is interesting
when you tell me the name
959
01:03:34,247 --> 01:03:36,380
of a person, like, instantly,
I'm just like, oh.
960
01:03:36,946 --> 01:03:40,732
I would love to just put
his face on the Internet and on Twitter
961
01:03:40,863 --> 01:03:42,995
and just be like... hello.
962
01:03:43,126 --> 01:03:44,954
I know. I feel that.
963
01:03:45,084 --> 01:03:50,437
But whenever there is some sort of
stalker, creep, harassment situation...
964
01:03:51,438 --> 01:03:55,530
really the best professional
advice that you can get
965
01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:56,966
is to just ignore them.
966
01:03:57,096 --> 01:03:58,837
And it's really frustrating
967
01:03:58,968 --> 01:04:00,752
that that is our best option.
968
01:04:00,883 --> 01:04:03,189
You have to ignore them and
hope that they just go away
969
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,757
and get bored and then
go to harass another person,
970
01:04:06,453 --> 01:04:08,325
or maybe fall off a cliff
conveniently or something.
971
01:04:08,455 --> 01:04:10,980
You know what I mean?
It's like I just hope they go away.
972
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:12,634
Like, that's literally all you can do.
973
01:04:12,895 --> 01:04:14,418
It is very satisfying
to have a name.
974
01:04:14,636 --> 01:04:16,159
Yeah.
975
01:04:16,289 --> 01:04:18,814
I know so many people personally
that this has happened to,
976
01:04:18,988 --> 01:04:22,557
but it's not being talked
about for fear of safety,
977
01:04:22,687 --> 01:04:24,428
for fear of embarrassment,
978
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,865
for fear of being misunderstood.
979
01:04:26,996 --> 01:04:29,346
So I think I'm very tired
of ignoring it.
980
01:04:30,652 --> 01:04:32,654
[dramatic music playing]
981
01:04:34,656 --> 01:04:37,049
VOICES: There are very,
very, very few people
982
01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:39,312
out there speaking out about this.
983
01:04:39,443 --> 01:04:43,839
Because that exposes
that person to further abuse.
984
01:04:44,927 --> 01:04:50,889
And so that is weaponized
in order to keep victims silent.
985
01:04:58,070 --> 01:05:00,725
The primary targets
for this kind of abuse
986
01:05:00,856 --> 01:05:02,858
are women that have
upset men in some way,
987
01:05:03,554 --> 01:05:05,904
w hether that's by being successful,
by being powerful,
988
01:05:06,122 --> 01:05:08,559
by being unattainable,
by being whatever it is.
989
01:05:11,693 --> 01:05:14,913
Whoever is targeted
is driven offline.
990
01:05:18,003 --> 01:05:21,877
It's like the aperture
of people's lives closes.
991
01:05:22,704 --> 01:05:25,794
The disciplinary effect
of those deepfakes is:
992
01:05:26,011 --> 01:05:28,100
you shouldn't be successful,
993
01:05:28,535 --> 01:05:31,669
you shouldn't go into journalism,
you shouldn't go into politics.
994
01:05:32,191 --> 01:05:34,629
That has a massive
chilling effect.
995
01:05:50,819 --> 01:05:51,950
GIBI: Hi.
996
01:05:52,255 --> 01:05:55,040
Today I need to talk
about something uncomfortable.
997
01:05:56,085 --> 01:06:00,176
There is a lot of porn of me
on the internet.
998
01:06:00,306 --> 01:06:04,136
My face has been digitally
plastered countless times
999
01:06:04,267 --> 01:06:06,138
over other people's
naked bodies
1000
01:06:06,269 --> 01:06:08,967
to create sex content
that I never consented to.
1001
01:06:09,228 --> 01:06:14,233
It has felt hopeless and honestly unsafe
to ever speak out.
1002
01:06:14,494 --> 01:06:19,761
However, I am relieved to finally be
talking about this with some support.
1003
01:06:20,065 --> 01:06:21,806
I was contacted by someone
1004
01:06:21,937 --> 01:06:24,896
who thinks she has actually
discovered the identity
1005
01:06:25,027 --> 01:06:28,073
of a person who has created
deepfakes of her.
1006
01:06:28,204 --> 01:06:33,513
But this same username
also made a ton of videos of me,
1007
01:06:33,688 --> 01:06:36,386
and a dozen of my friends.
1008
01:06:37,909 --> 01:06:40,303
I now know his name,
1009
01:06:40,433 --> 01:06:42,784
where he lives
and where he works,
1010
01:06:43,872 --> 01:06:49,355
and I am so ready to finally
be able to pursue
1011
01:06:49,747 --> 01:06:51,923
whatever action I can
1012
01:06:52,054 --> 01:06:56,493
to find some semblance
of justice
1013
01:06:56,623 --> 01:07:00,149
on behalf of all the people
he has done this to.
1014
01:07:00,279 --> 01:07:02,934
I don't care if it's just one.
1015
01:07:03,108 --> 01:07:06,024
I want to let him know
that I know.
1016
01:07:07,722 --> 01:07:10,072
If that resonates with you,
1017
01:07:10,202 --> 01:07:13,075
I really, really
would like to hear from you.
1018
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,735
[somber music playing]
1019
01:07:33,356 --> 01:07:35,097
FEMALE VOICES: I Googled my name.
1020
01:07:38,317 --> 01:07:40,755
And all of a sudden
the result pops up.
1021
01:07:44,454 --> 01:07:48,458
And everything just caved
in really quickly around me.
1022
01:07:55,944 --> 01:07:59,599
Honestly, I've still
not really got much of an idea
1023
01:07:59,730 --> 01:08:05,083
if it's somebody who I have
been close to or am close to.
1024
01:08:10,785 --> 01:08:14,658
It felt like the image
was kind of like ammunition
1025
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:18,880
that could be used against me
for the rest of my life.
1026
01:08:25,277 --> 01:08:27,889
I couldn't think.
I couldn't function.
1027
01:08:31,588 --> 01:08:34,025
I stopped eating for
like a year where I felt like
1028
01:08:34,156 --> 01:08:40,510
if I became smaller, somehow
people would notice me less.
1029
01:08:46,559 --> 01:08:49,345
It just became very easy
to think about
1030
01:08:49,519 --> 01:08:53,001
how death would be much
easier than living this hell.
1031
01:09:01,661 --> 01:09:04,186
I felt alone and scared.
1032
01:09:08,103 --> 01:09:10,496
There's always this
scary amount of backlash
1033
01:09:10,627 --> 01:09:12,716
and people will say
you're overreacting
1034
01:09:12,847 --> 01:09:15,806
or you post stuff online,
so you deserve this.
1035
01:09:17,982 --> 01:09:20,419
Seeing Gibi speak out,
1036
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:23,901
I finally felt like I wasn't alone.
1037
01:09:25,947 --> 01:09:29,559
I felt like I now had a voice.
1038
01:09:33,171 --> 01:09:36,044
[somber music playing]
1039
01:09:46,968 --> 01:09:48,926
OK. So a quick update.
1040
01:09:49,057 --> 01:09:52,538
I heard about
a White House meeting
1041
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:54,540
that's going to be taking place,
1042
01:09:54,671 --> 01:09:57,935
focusing on deepfakes
and how to change the laws.
1043
01:09:58,066 --> 01:10:01,547
So I'm going to be giving
a deepfaked testimony.
1044
01:10:01,678 --> 01:10:04,811
I'll basically be
recording a short video
1045
01:10:04,986 --> 01:10:06,639
kind of telling my experience
1046
01:10:06,813 --> 01:10:09,512
and what I think needs
to happen to hopefully
1047
01:10:09,642 --> 01:10:12,428
prevent this from happening
to more people in the future,
1048
01:10:12,558 --> 01:10:14,691
that people at the White House
will view.
1049
01:10:14,821 --> 01:10:16,388
So I guess this is like kind of
1050
01:10:16,519 --> 01:10:18,173
the coolest thing that I've done
1051
01:10:18,303 --> 01:10:20,610
that I can't actually
tell anyone about
1052
01:10:20,740 --> 01:10:22,742
because no one's going
to know who I am.
1053
01:10:23,221 --> 01:10:25,310
So that'll be
pretty cool, I hope.
1054
01:10:25,441 --> 01:10:27,138
I'm a little nervous
to like film it
1055
01:10:27,269 --> 01:10:29,706
just because I feel like this
is like the closest
1056
01:10:29,836 --> 01:10:34,276
thing to actual change
that I've been able to do.
1057
01:10:34,406 --> 01:10:37,061
So yeah, it's
a little nerve wracking,
1058
01:10:37,192 --> 01:10:41,674
but definitely an exciting step in this...
1059
01:10:41,805 --> 01:10:44,764
very weird journey that I've been on.
1060
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,941
Oh, and yeah,
if I haven't mentioned it,
1061
01:10:47,071 --> 01:10:48,899
I still suck at
making video diaries.
1062
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,771
So thank God,
I'm being deepfaked.
1063
01:10:52,163 --> 01:10:54,035
I mean, not thank God
I'm being deepfaked,
1064
01:10:54,165 --> 01:10:56,820
thank God I'll be anonymous,
you know what I mean.
1065
01:11:00,258 --> 01:11:01,651
Hi, my name is Taylor
1066
01:11:01,781 --> 01:11:03,305
and I appreciate the platform
1067
01:11:03,435 --> 01:11:05,872
to be able to
speak to you today.
1068
01:11:06,003 --> 01:11:07,352
Before I begin,
1069
01:11:07,483 --> 01:11:10,051
I should mention that my name
is not really Taylor
1070
01:11:10,181 --> 01:11:11,878
and this isn't actually my face.
1071
01:11:13,097 --> 01:11:15,230
What I want you to understand
about deepfakes
1072
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,667
is that there are hundreds
of thousands of women
1073
01:11:17,797 --> 01:11:20,452
being affected
by this right now.
1074
01:11:20,583 --> 01:11:22,237
You may not be able to see them,
1075
01:11:22,367 --> 01:11:26,110
but the impacts are very
real and very serious.
1076
01:11:26,241 --> 01:11:29,331
[suspenseful music playing]
1077
01:11:37,687 --> 01:11:41,821
TAYLOR: I think because he
essentially got away with this,
1078
01:11:41,996 --> 01:11:46,783
Mike will certainly keep doing
this to women in his life.
1079
01:11:46,913 --> 01:11:51,135
JULIA: I think it's disgusting that he's
not going to face any repercussions.
1080
01:11:51,266 --> 01:11:53,746
His future female co-workers
1081
01:11:53,877 --> 01:11:56,358
and female friends have no idea
that he's done this.
1082
01:11:57,228 --> 01:12:00,666
And I think that's really dangerous
for the people around him.
1083
01:12:01,754 --> 01:12:03,756
[suspenseful music playing]
1084
01:12:07,151 --> 01:12:12,113
VOICES: Every time we see behavior
that is so egregious
1085
01:12:12,461 --> 01:12:17,205
and there's no accountability,
it really is a blank check
1086
01:12:17,335 --> 01:12:18,858
to do even more of it.
1087
01:12:23,907 --> 01:12:26,736
We have to create so much pain
1088
01:12:26,997 --> 01:12:28,303
for the Pornhubs of the world,
1089
01:12:28,433 --> 01:12:29,565
the Xvideos of the world,
1090
01:12:29,695 --> 01:12:31,871
that they will move
heaven and earth
1091
01:12:32,002 --> 01:12:33,743
to get this stuff off
their platforms.
1092
01:12:38,182 --> 01:12:41,011
We're at the very beginning
of this battle,
1093
01:12:41,664 --> 01:12:45,189
but we're not gonna allow
the dark recesses of the internet
1094
01:12:45,755 --> 01:12:47,409
to dictate our future.
1095
01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:53,806
I passed my thesis...
1096
01:12:53,937 --> 01:12:56,505
I have to fix the measurements setup,
but I passed my thesis!
1097
01:12:56,809 --> 01:12:58,768
I can get a master's degree now.
1098
01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:01,118
That's fucking dope!
1099
01:13:01,901 --> 01:13:03,642
And we're going to California.
1100
01:13:03,773 --> 01:13:05,122
I start my job.
1101
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:07,168
I'm graduating in September,
getting my degree,
1102
01:13:07,298 --> 01:13:08,821
going to be done with school.
1103
01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:11,781
So excited about that.
That's dope.
1104
01:13:13,696 --> 01:13:14,653
It'’s dope.
1105
01:13:16,525 --> 01:13:18,875
[suspenseful music playing]
1106
01:13:23,401 --> 01:13:26,839
TAYLOR: I guess I just like never thought
that Silicon Valley type jobs
1107
01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,885
would ever be within my reach.
1108
01:13:33,324 --> 01:13:34,978
Being in a male-dominated field,
1109
01:13:35,109 --> 01:13:36,675
I want to be
taken seriously.
1110
01:13:37,807 --> 01:13:40,375
I want to be known for
my technical accomplishments
1111
01:13:40,505 --> 01:13:44,379
and the things that I, you know, have
chosen to do with my life.
1112
01:13:47,338 --> 01:13:49,035
JULIA: I would love to be
like a face for, like,
1113
01:13:49,253 --> 01:13:50,080
more women in gaming,
1114
01:13:50,211 --> 01:13:52,735
but the deepfake situation
1115
01:13:52,865 --> 01:13:55,825
has definitely caused me
to think twice about that.
1116
01:13:56,826 --> 01:13:58,654
[arrow whirs]
1117
01:14:02,745 --> 01:14:04,181
JULIA: There's a deer on
the boardwalk.
1118
01:14:04,312 --> 01:14:05,487
I don't know if you
can see that. There's...
1119
01:14:05,661 --> 01:14:07,315
I literally just watched a deer
1120
01:14:07,445 --> 01:14:09,186
hop across the bank parking lot.
1121
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,754
It's running down the boardwalk.
1122
01:14:12,102 --> 01:14:14,148
Do you see it? What the heck!
1123
01:14:14,278 --> 01:14:15,279
Caught on candid...
1124
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:17,760
It's sprinting
down the boardwalk!
1125
01:14:19,675 --> 01:14:24,767
[suspenseful music playing]
1126
01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:34,255
TAYLOR: It's highly likely that there
is still more stuff out there
1127
01:14:34,385 --> 01:14:36,300
that I haven't seen.
1128
01:14:41,349 --> 01:14:46,789
But then I can't let that fear
affect how I live my life.
1129
01:14:57,756 --> 01:14:59,758
[distorted music playing]
1130
01:15:12,684 --> 01:15:17,776
[crickets chirping]
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