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Gangsta rap world
has been shaken again,
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this time by the violent death
of the performer
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known as the Notorious B.I.G...
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...murder of the popular
rap star
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known as the Notorious B.I.G.
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It happened early yesterday...
-It was outside a Los Angeles
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automobile museum
following a music...
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...and was in his green
Suburban when he was gunned down
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in a drive-by shooting
at03 a.m....
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...and later died
of gunshot wounds
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at nearby Cedars-Sinai
Medical Center.
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The rapper who came
from Brooklyn, New York,
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was just 24 years old.
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His music just went
through our body,
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gave us chills,
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because he talked nothin'
but the truth.
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Oh, my God.
Are you serious?
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Oh, my God.
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Wow.
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I've never seen it before.
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He got his eyes.
He did get his eyes.
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I'm humbled to know
that there are people
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who really cared for him,
really loved him,
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to make his face
to be a part of Brooklyn wall.
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But there's so much
hate out there
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because it takes hatred
to take someone's life.
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And that's why I pity --
really, really pity --
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the person who murdered my son.
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I really do.
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'Cause to live
with something like that...
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You have to live
with it, too, though.
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Yeah,
but I think of his --
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I think
of the wonderful memories.
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You know?
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I have his beautiful memories.
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He doesn't have that.
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I have his memories.
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I came to America from Jamaica
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in mid '60s for education,
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for a better life.
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I worked during the day,
go to school at night,
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and I loved every minute of it.
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Hard work never hurt anyone.
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The day he came into my life,
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they brought my baby to me,
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and I started to cry
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'cause he was
the most beautiful baby
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you've ever seen in your life.
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Took him home and loved him
the rest of his life.
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It was hard.
I was always tired.
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But I just loved being a mother.
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I never wanted my son
to grow up.
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226.
Right here.
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Wow.
This place has really changed.
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This is where I used to sit.
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I usually sit here,
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watch him ride his bicycle
on the sidewalk.
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If I'm not here,
I'm up there watching him.
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I would just peek out the window
and look -- "Are you there?"
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You know, "Please stay
where I can see you."
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His mother,
who is a Jehovah's Witness,
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was working one and two jobs
simultaneously
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to not only
keep him clothed and fed,
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but also put herself
through school.
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She spoiled him by buying him
video games and everything else
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'cause she wanted to use
that apartment as an oasis
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from everything else
that was happening in the world.
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Christopher went
to a Catholic school
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since he was 6.
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I never wanted him
to go into public school.
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I was very guarded
because, you know,
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I don't know what's happening
on Fulton Street.
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I don't know what's happening
down Gates Avenue.
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Not safe.
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I see things I just didn't like
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and I didn't want that
for my son.
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Weren't a lot of opportunities
out there,
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and everybody was just out there
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just robbing, hustling,
shooting, killing.
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We were seeing people
get shot in front of us.
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I've been seeing that
since I was 11, 12 years old.
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Bed-Stuy in the '80s
was just a jungle,
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like a concrete jungle
for real, to us.
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There was a lot of violence.
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It was like you could see
crack vials spread everywhere.
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You would see people
that you knew
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that would just turn skeletal.
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You didn't feel like
anyone was in control.
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Crack is such a menace
in New York,
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the city has declared war on it.
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But finding crack is still easy.
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It took
Federal Drug Enforcement agents
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no more than 10 minutes
in broad daylight.
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There was a lot
of money available
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and people at a very young age
having to make
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these really heavy decisions
about their life.
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We were getting hit
with so many different images
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at a young age
and going through stuff.
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You know, you could actually get
robbed just coming from school.
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You got to learn that
that's the world you're in,
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and we wanted to find
a way to adapt.
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Chris was very artistic,
very funny.
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He had all the big ideas.
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Around the age of 11 is
when I got my first turntables,
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and I knew Chris
was already writing,
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so at least by 12,
we were at my house
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doing recordings, routines.
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And during that time
on St. James,
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there were some jazz artists
in the neighborhood.
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There was a guy
named Donald Harrison
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that lived down the block
from Chris,
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and he gave Chris
his first studio runs.
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It was all about articulating,
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keeping your volume consistent,
your flow tight,
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and keep your subject matter
interesting.
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If you really pay attention,
Biggies was good
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at having a different topic,
a different flow.
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That's jazz.
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Peace.
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I heard him
making noise in his room,
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knocking on things, playing
with his mouth, and talking.
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And I would tell him,
"Please stop the noise."
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He said, "I'm not making
noise -- I'm rapping."
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He said it was gonna make him
rich, make him famous.
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When I think about
Chris's path direction,
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I think school
was very boring to him.
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I saw how he passed tests --
like it was no problem.
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So I think the environment
in the neighborhood,
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or gangsta stuff,
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was in his face
so strongly over there
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that that world showed you
you need money.
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And, you know,
he was always about that.
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Even from young,
get money by any means.
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Being an only child,
my mom's been gone all the time,
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so it left me a lot of time
to, like dip and dab
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in all kinds
of dangerous things.
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You know what I'm sayin'?
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Ain't nobody else taking
care of me.
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What the fuck?
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Who is somebody to tell me
that I shouldn't hustle?
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It was inevitable.
You know what I'm sayin'?
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I mean, all my peoples
is hustling.
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Eventually,
I was gonna be a part of it.
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You know what I'm sayin'?
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Prior to 13 years of age,
he was just a-a son,
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a son that any mother
would like.
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At 13,
he became notorious.
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Uh-huh.
Keep it real.
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Lil'
Another day in the life.
Fulton Street.
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This the man right here,
Nino Brown.
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Talk about the sign.
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-Oh, man.
-Oh, God.
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This block was basically
drug dealing.
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Like, this whole block,
like, that's all it was.
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A bunch of drug dealers,
older guys.
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We was little kids, so we
always wanted to come outside,
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so we always try to find
our way over here,
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trying to be around
the drug dealers.
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You wanted the same
lifestyle that they was,
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'cause it looked --
it was so much better
than what you had.
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Lil' I think once he saw
a glimpse of that
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and saw what he could do
and see how
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all the hustlers before us
was out there makin' money,
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feeding their families,
having all the fly clothes,
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and something attracted him
to that to where he wanted that.
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And he went out there
and really pursued it
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and became one of
the big-time hustlers
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from our age bracket out there.
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Maybe he saw a lot of things,
did a lot of things, too.
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You know?
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There are a lot of things
I didn't know until he died.
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And I'm glad I didn't.
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Lil'
Big was smooth.
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You know, Big ain't want
to blow his spot up
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to let people know
he was really hustling.
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Big didn't really want
nobody to know about it
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'cause he didn't want it
to get back to Miss Wallace
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that he was hustling.
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And he cared about how she felt,
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so he never wanted
to hurt her feelings.
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So he always tried
to hide things from her
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that he knew
that would make her mad.
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Once, I found it.
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I didn't know what it was.
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I thought it was
mashed potatoes.
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Because I cleaned his room.
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And so I would clean the room,
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and I'd say, "My God, this kid."
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And I went and I --
shp-shp-shp! -- washed it out,
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turned my dishes down,
walk about my business.
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After my son died,
I read that story
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and I said, "Oh, my God.
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That's what it was."
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And if he wasn't dead,
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I would have killed him.
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I been on the streets
since I was 13,
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12 years old, man.
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I got beat up by police,
everything, man.
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Everything
a motherimagine or see,
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I done been through that shit.
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If I ain't been through it,
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my closest nigga
been through it.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's all real, man.
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Been in this hood
for 22 years, yo,
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same fucking block,
same-ass hood, man.
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Ain't nothing changed.
Nothing.
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Niggas come home from jail,
want some rah-rah shit
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they going right back to jail
or in a casket.
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This shit's been happening
since '86,
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'85 when I was a little nigga
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'89, going into '90,
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when I would come visit,
I would see the change.
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He was talking about he needed
to make this money.
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You know, was focusing
on having customers
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that were his customers.
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Taking care of his customers.
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And, you know,
on Fulton Street,
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there was just
treacherous waters.
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He was a good hustler.
People liked him.
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He knew how to talk.
He knew how to sell it.
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He wasn't one of the ones
that was out there
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knocking folks over for it.
Like, you know what I mean?
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Just basically came to him.
People would look for him.
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He wasn't there,
they'll come back.
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Lil' He was very young
out there doing his thing.
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You know, got caught in
the streets hustling and stuff.
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But he was still
just genuinely a good person.
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That was Fat Chris.
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That's what they used
to call him before the rap.
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"Where Fat Chris at?"
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The nicknames were flying,
and he was a very jokey guy.
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A O.G. gave him that
"Biggie Smalls" --
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older guy
rumored to be a pimp.
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So as time went on,
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he became known as Biggie
from Fulton Street.
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Lil'
And then, you know, we just
started calling him Biggie,
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but that was just another dude
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that showed all the love
to everybody on the block.
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That's how Big was.
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You know,
I was one of them little kids
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that used to go around asking
all the hustlers for money.
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"Let me get a dollar.
Let me get 50 cent."
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You know, so he already
knew off the riff.
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Like, but he would just, like,
"Okay, you going to school?
248
00:16:37,126 --> 00:16:38,998
You graduating?
Today is your day.
249
00:16:39,128 --> 00:16:40,738
You know, here.
Get you some M&Ms.
250
00:16:40,869 --> 00:16:42,131
Get you a juice or something."
You know what I mean?
251
00:16:42,262 --> 00:16:43,828
So he -- he was always
like that.
252
00:16:43,959 --> 00:16:45,352
You know,
from the day I knew him,
253
00:16:45,482 --> 00:16:47,484
he was always, like,
that kind of person --
254
00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,747
very just giving, and, you know,
showing love to his peoples.
255
00:16:49,878 --> 00:16:52,402
You know what I mean?
If he had it, you had it.
256
00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:54,926
My little man Lil' Cease,
he down with Junior M.A.F.I.A.
257
00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:56,276
That's my -- That's my little
heart right there.
258
00:16:56,406 --> 00:16:57,755
That's like my little son.
259
00:16:57,886 --> 00:16:59,105
D-Cease lived
the next block from him,
260
00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,368
but Cease is, like, younger.
261
00:17:01,498 --> 00:17:03,587
Cease was way younger,
so they took him under wing,
and he was just with us.
262
00:17:03,718 --> 00:17:05,502
That was just, like, little bro.
You know what I mean?
263
00:17:05,633 --> 00:17:07,200
That's like his little brother.
264
00:17:07,330 --> 00:17:09,811
Cease is definitely
his little boy.
265
00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:12,292
Yeah.
That's for sure.
266
00:17:12,422 --> 00:17:14,990
Every time I tried to,
"Yo, let me hustle, yo.
267
00:17:15,121 --> 00:17:16,383
Give me some work so
I can go out there and do that,"
268
00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:17,949
he would, like, lie to me
and be like,
269
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,734
"Yeah, I'ma give it to you
next week."
270
00:17:19,864 --> 00:17:22,519
Like, he always avoided me
from getting into that life.
271
00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:25,174
I just guess he just, you know,
like, saw something in me
272
00:17:25,305 --> 00:17:27,568
to where he was like, "Nah,
this kid, he's -- he's cool.
273
00:17:27,698 --> 00:17:30,440
This ain't him.
I got other plans for him."
274
00:17:32,703 --> 00:17:34,444
I mean, when you in the game,
you know what I'm sayin',
275
00:17:34,575 --> 00:17:35,880
you're selling drugs
or whatever,
276
00:17:36,011 --> 00:17:36,968
you automatically
"considered" as,
277
00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:38,796
you know what I'm sayin',
278
00:17:38,927 --> 00:17:40,450
the worst person in the world.
You know what I'm sayin'?
279
00:17:40,581 --> 00:17:41,973
They didn't even understand
the situation before.
280
00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:43,018
I wasn't selling drugs
just to be selling drugs.
281
00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:44,802
You know what I'm sayin'?
282
00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:46,413
I had a baby. I have to work.
You know what I'm saying?
283
00:17:46,543 --> 00:17:48,545
Do my thing to feed my family,
you know?
284
00:17:50,895 --> 00:17:53,289
One day,
he came to me and he goes --
285
00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:56,118
Geez.
286
00:17:56,249 --> 00:17:59,904
Ay-yi-yi-yi-yi.
My life, Lord.
287
00:18:00,035 --> 00:18:02,994
He says, "Mom, Jan is pregnant."
288
00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:05,780
"Excuse me?"
289
00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:07,782
"Jan is pregnant."
290
00:18:07,912 --> 00:18:11,525
Jan and Chris
had, like, the classic,
291
00:18:11,655 --> 00:18:14,267
neighborhood love affair --
292
00:18:14,397 --> 00:18:16,573
you know, the fights, the love.
293
00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:19,489
They were just, like, classic.
294
00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,274
T'yanna was born.
295
00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:23,537
Cute little thing.
296
00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:26,931
He was a loving father.
He was really a loving father.
297
00:18:27,062 --> 00:18:28,542
Christopher was the type of dad
298
00:18:28,672 --> 00:18:32,067
that T'yanna have to have
seven pairs of sneakers
299
00:18:32,198 --> 00:18:34,113
for every day during the week.
300
00:18:34,243 --> 00:18:36,202
He was excited
about having a baby,
301
00:18:36,332 --> 00:18:38,291
so it just makes you
feel the need to win.
302
00:18:38,421 --> 00:18:40,206
Whatever it be,
even if it was hustling,
303
00:18:40,336 --> 00:18:42,033
he was gonna hustle harder,
write harder.
304
00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:43,731
Whatever it is he was doing
to make money,
305
00:18:43,861 --> 00:18:45,689
he was gonna do it harder,
he was gonna step it up.
306
00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,865
He wanted to make sure his child
get everything she want
307
00:18:47,996 --> 00:18:49,476
and she wouldn't have
to grow up in the struggle.
308
00:18:49,606 --> 00:18:51,173
And he was down to do
whatever it took
309
00:18:51,304 --> 00:18:53,654
to make sure she was good.
310
00:19:12,455 --> 00:19:13,500
One, two.
311
00:19:21,769 --> 00:19:23,901
I started eventually
hearing Big battle with people.
312
00:19:24,032 --> 00:19:25,425
Like, people would want to come
in the neighborhood
313
00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:26,730
looking for Big to battle.
314
00:19:30,081 --> 00:19:31,605
They like, you know, say
their little couple of words.
315
00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,476
He'd say, "What you wanna do?
What you wanna do?"
316
00:19:33,607 --> 00:19:35,609
Then eventually, somebody start
banging on the garbage can,
317
00:19:35,739 --> 00:19:38,002
and Big did what we never
knew he could do.
318
00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:40,179
He spit
some unbelievable rhymes.
319
00:19:50,363 --> 00:19:52,408
Lil' It was dope.
He was already 16, 17,
320
00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:54,236
saying some crazy shit
You know what I mean?
321
00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:56,107
Like, all right,
don't test that dude.
322
00:19:56,238 --> 00:19:57,500
Forget how he look.
323
00:19:57,631 --> 00:19:59,502
He-- He'll tear you up
on that mic.
324
00:20:14,561 --> 00:20:17,172
He already had all of the things
that you need
325
00:20:17,303 --> 00:20:18,826
to be a successful MC.
326
00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:20,436
He had poise and presence
327
00:20:20,567 --> 00:20:22,482
the way that he was holding
the microphone,
328
00:20:22,612 --> 00:20:24,527
and just how he was
into the beat
329
00:20:24,658 --> 00:20:25,876
at the same time
that he's rhyming.
330
00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:32,709
He was the total package.
331
00:20:44,373 --> 00:20:46,549
It was a shocker to most people,
332
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,725
but I knew he had skills in him,
333
00:20:48,856 --> 00:20:51,511
'cause that was there since
10, 11 years old, you know?
334
00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:56,429
Nobody knew, but it was
something big about to happen.
335
00:21:08,658 --> 00:21:10,007
From what I knew,
getting a record deal
336
00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:11,574
was some hard shit.
You know what I'm sayin'?
337
00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,794
That shit was like --
It wasn't no easy shit.
338
00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,144
But what I did was
some drunk shit.
339
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,015
Like, you know what I'm sayin'?
340
00:21:18,146 --> 00:21:20,191
Me and my niggas in
the basement drinkin', smokin',
341
00:21:20,322 --> 00:21:22,237
and we just rappin'
over turntables and shit,
342
00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:24,021
making this tape and shit.
343
00:21:24,152 --> 00:21:26,154
And then they make your move.
Know what I'm sayin'?
344
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,635
I never made no move
to no record company
a day in my life ever.
345
00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:32,378
He was not an artist that was
out there seeking a record deal.
346
00:21:32,508 --> 00:21:34,205
He was really entrenched
in the struggle
347
00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,425
of just being
this young black dude
348
00:21:36,556 --> 00:21:39,341
coming up in Brooklyn
during that time.
349
00:21:39,472 --> 00:21:42,388
Hip-hop wasn't
on the front burner at all
350
00:21:42,518 --> 00:21:44,085
until he left Fulton Street
351
00:21:44,215 --> 00:21:47,610
and was on Bedford
and met with 50 Gran.
352
00:21:47,741 --> 00:21:50,134
That's when hip-hop
came back into his life.
353
00:21:50,265 --> 00:21:52,528
50
The day I met Big,
354
00:21:52,659 --> 00:21:54,878
I was out here looking
around for customers
to make some sales.
355
00:21:55,009 --> 00:21:56,445
I see this guy
coming up the block.
356
00:21:56,576 --> 00:21:58,404
It was Big.
357
00:21:58,534 --> 00:22:01,102
And Big says, "Yo, 50, I heard
you know a lot of people.
358
00:22:01,232 --> 00:22:02,625
I want you to be my deejay."
359
00:22:02,756 --> 00:22:03,800
I took him straight
to the basement.
360
00:22:03,931 --> 00:22:05,236
No hesitation.
361
00:22:05,367 --> 00:22:07,151
I wanted to see
what this young boy had.
362
00:22:07,282 --> 00:22:09,545
We just, like, get drunk and
high and go in his basement,
363
00:22:09,676 --> 00:22:11,852
and I used to just rap
over instrumental beats,
364
00:22:11,982 --> 00:22:13,593
and 50 used to tape everything.
365
00:22:13,723 --> 00:22:15,377
I brung him to the basement,
366
00:22:15,508 --> 00:22:17,727
we smoked some L's,
drunk some beers,
367
00:22:17,858 --> 00:22:19,512
threw the music on,
got in the grove.
368
00:22:19,642 --> 00:22:21,340
Started throwing them
Uptown beats on,
369
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:23,472
and he just grabbed that mic
and just went crazy.
370
00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:46,277
50 Gran decided
371
00:22:46,408 --> 00:22:48,279
he was good enough
to give the tape to Mister Cee,
372
00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:51,370
who was Big Daddy Kane's deejay,
which was Chris's idol.
373
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:53,546
50 I went to Mister Cee
crib for three days,
374
00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:55,243
sat on the stoop
three days straight
375
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,680
till he came off tour
with Big Daddy Kane.
376
00:22:57,811 --> 00:23:00,814
I had to fight him to make him
listen to that demo
377
00:23:00,944 --> 00:23:03,120
'cause he wasn't leaving
until he listened to that demo.
378
00:23:13,217 --> 00:23:15,959
The lyrical content
and the -- the flow
379
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,832
and what rappers
call the cadence,
380
00:23:18,962 --> 00:23:22,836
how his punctuation and his flow
was just in the pocket.
381
00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:25,099
Him being that young
382
00:23:25,229 --> 00:23:26,927
and to have that type
of style and delivery
383
00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:29,190
was just amazing to me.
384
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,323
Mister Cee let my man, Matty C,
hear it from Sourcemagazine...
385
00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:34,674
-Okay.
-...and put us in the magazine.
386
00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:37,024
Then Matty saw Puff,
Matt gave him the tape.
387
00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:38,678
Boom.
It's over.
388
00:23:38,808 --> 00:23:40,244
Over.
389
00:23:40,375 --> 00:23:43,030
Puffy was working
at Uptown Records.
390
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,424
He was still the A&R there.
391
00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:49,166
You know, the Bad Boy label
hadn't manifested yet.
392
00:23:49,297 --> 00:23:52,953
So he had just had the success
of Mary J. Blige, Jodeci,
393
00:23:53,083 --> 00:23:56,347
and, um, he was looking to sign
a new artist to Uptown Records.
394
00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:58,480
I set up the meeting
with Puff at Uptown.
395
00:23:58,611 --> 00:24:00,264
I will never, ever forget.
396
00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:02,963
It was a cold winter day,
afternoon.
397
00:24:03,093 --> 00:24:04,181
-What's up, baby?
-How you doing?
398
00:24:04,312 --> 00:24:06,880
-How you doing?
-What's up, man?
399
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:08,621
When he came in the door,
I could tell
400
00:24:08,751 --> 00:24:11,362
like, you know, he was --
he was kind of nervous.
401
00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:12,755
And, you know,
I asked him, like,
402
00:24:12,886 --> 00:24:14,801
what does he want to do in life?
403
00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:16,455
And he was just like, "I just
wanna get up out these streets,
404
00:24:16,585 --> 00:24:18,544
take care of my family."
405
00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:21,721
Um, he was just like,
"I just want to be the best."
406
00:24:21,851 --> 00:24:23,810
And he was like, "I know
that you could take me there."
407
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:26,073
And in the beginning
of the meeting,
408
00:24:26,203 --> 00:24:29,163
Puffy just asks Big
to rhyme right on the spot.
409
00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:31,034
His voice, first and foremost,
410
00:24:31,165 --> 00:24:32,645
was something
that was so unique,
411
00:24:32,775 --> 00:24:34,908
and also his style,
412
00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:37,301
his -- his mental approach.
413
00:24:37,432 --> 00:24:39,216
I was like, "Oh, my God.
I just --"
414
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:41,610
You know, I felt like I actually
discovered something,
415
00:24:41,741 --> 00:24:43,743
like I found something rare.
416
00:24:43,873 --> 00:24:46,441
And after Big kicked a rhyme
to Puff, Puff was like,
417
00:24:46,572 --> 00:24:48,008
"I could have a record out
on you by the summer.
418
00:24:48,138 --> 00:24:50,053
Would you be cool with that?"
419
00:25:06,635 --> 00:25:08,245
You know, Puff didn't
want him to hustle.
420
00:25:08,376 --> 00:25:09,856
Puff was just like,
"Yo, be patient. Just chill."
421
00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:12,075
But Big was like, "Man,
I got a kid coming up."
422
00:25:12,206 --> 00:25:14,469
Mister Back then, he --
he would go out of town
423
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,819
to states like North Carolina,
424
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:19,256
and back then, he would call it
pump and jumps.
425
00:25:19,387 --> 00:25:22,999
He was selling crack.
He was hustling.
426
00:25:56,729 --> 00:25:59,383
And so who knows
what would have happened
427
00:25:59,514 --> 00:26:00,863
if Big would have stayed
down there.
428
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:02,256
That's just by the grace of God.
429
00:26:02,386 --> 00:26:03,823
That's just a blessing
430
00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:06,695
that you got somebody
like a Puff Daddy
431
00:26:06,826 --> 00:26:08,784
that got your best interests
at heart.
432
00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,264
What's up?
My name is Puff Daddy.
433
00:26:10,394 --> 00:26:13,049
This is my new artist,
the Notorious B.I.G.
434
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:14,834
And we here
at the OutKast picnic
435
00:26:14,964 --> 00:26:17,576
just getting our swerve
all the way on.
436
00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,622
We had a musical marriage,
a musical partnership.
437
00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:23,190
And then on top of that,
it was a friendship
438
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,019
because I really wanted
to get him out of the streets.
439
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:28,456
I really wanted him
to be successful.
440
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:31,285
He was like the underdog.
I really wanted him to win.
441
00:26:31,415 --> 00:26:33,940
And when you find a special
relationship like that,
442
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:35,898
then anything can happen.
443
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,204
We bangin', baby.Bangin'. We gonna keep bangin'.
444
00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:39,119
We makin' music strictly
for the streets.
445
00:26:39,249 --> 00:26:40,729
We appreciate
y'all's support,
446
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:42,426
and it's all good.
A'ight.
447
00:27:29,952 --> 00:27:32,302
We had a serious talk one day.
448
00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:33,956
At those time, I think
he was going back and forth
449
00:27:34,087 --> 00:27:36,567
to the studios,
coming late in the morning.
450
00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:38,787
I said, "What are you doing
with your life?"
451
00:27:38,918 --> 00:27:41,137
And he came into my room
and he says,
452
00:27:41,268 --> 00:27:43,836
"I'm out there doing music."
453
00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:45,315
Said, "Who are you
doing music with?
454
00:27:45,446 --> 00:27:48,188
You can't even sing."
455
00:27:48,318 --> 00:27:50,973
"Ma, I told you I don't sing,
I rap,
456
00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,454
and this is going to be big."
457
00:27:53,584 --> 00:27:55,935
"Who are you doing it with?"
458
00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:59,547
"This kid I know,
and his name is Puffy."
459
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,288
Oh Jesus Christ.
460
00:28:01,418 --> 00:28:03,290
Puffy?
What kind of name is that?
461
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:04,857
I'm the Bad Boy --
462
00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:06,162
President
of Bad Boy Entertainment,
463
00:28:06,293 --> 00:28:07,816
Vice President
of Uptown MCA,
464
00:28:07,947 --> 00:28:09,165
A&R,
and Artist Development.
465
00:28:09,296 --> 00:28:10,079
This is my new act.Right.
466
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:11,559
You know?
467
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:12,821
And so we out here
representing Big,
468
00:28:12,952 --> 00:28:14,867
Biggie Smalls.
469
00:28:14,997 --> 00:28:16,651
The Notorious B.I.G. is gonna be
dropping signs, performing...
470
00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:19,523
Okay."Party and Bullshit"
471
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:31,797
"Party and "
was like his first big break,
472
00:28:31,927 --> 00:28:33,015
like to be on something
that was really legit,
473
00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:34,364
the "Who's The Man" soundtrack.
474
00:28:34,495 --> 00:28:35,975
My town was lit up because
475
00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,064
we had one of the hottest
up-and-coming artists.
476
00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:40,501
And that was like that
Brooklyn anthem
477
00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:42,111
with this, uh, this new cat.
478
00:28:42,242 --> 00:28:43,547
Like, it's this -- this --
This the new cat, y'all.
479
00:28:43,678 --> 00:28:44,679
We all got to get behind.
480
00:28:54,428 --> 00:28:55,995
I like "Party and Bullshit"
481
00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:58,040
because it comes in
482
00:28:58,171 --> 00:29:00,434
with that thing in his voice,
and he paints the picture.
483
00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:10,792
He was definitely our guy.
484
00:29:10,923 --> 00:29:12,968
He was the "straight off
the block" thing,
485
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:15,318
so me being "straight off
the block" guy,
486
00:29:15,449 --> 00:29:18,147
we all recognized each other,
like, "Oh, okay."
487
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:25,198
"Where's the party at,
and can I bring my gat?"
488
00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:27,026
Like, "I'm gonna have fun,
489
00:29:27,156 --> 00:29:29,680
but I'm always
going to bring the drama."
490
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:32,379
That's the Notorious B.I.G.
persona in a nutshell.
491
00:29:44,434 --> 00:29:46,132
Well, I just rap about
what I see, what I know.
492
00:29:46,262 --> 00:29:47,829
You know what I'm sayin'?
Streets, man.
493
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,265
That's where I was brought up.
-Right.
494
00:29:49,396 --> 00:29:51,137
"Party and Bull."
-That's it.
495
00:29:51,267 --> 00:29:53,400
Go beef it out.
Party and Bull.
496
00:29:56,229 --> 00:29:57,534
Big in this mother
497
00:29:57,665 --> 00:29:59,101
B.I.G. in the house.
498
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,016
Bad Boys
499
00:30:01,147 --> 00:30:03,671
The concept that I had
about launching him was,
500
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:05,455
I wanted him to be authentic,
and he --
501
00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:07,980
he was hardcore rap, you know?
502
00:30:08,110 --> 00:30:10,112
It's the one
and only Biggie Smalls,
503
00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:11,505
doing his thing
in the rap world.
504
00:30:11,635 --> 00:30:13,594
That's right, baby.
What's up, man?
505
00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:16,336
Even though I had ideas for more
commercial type of records,
506
00:30:16,466 --> 00:30:19,339
I still wanted him
to get his name out there
507
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:23,299
in the industry as an MC
and as a great MC.
508
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:25,301
Tell me something
real quick.
509
00:30:25,432 --> 00:30:26,955
You -- When I first met
you, everybody's calling
you Biggie Smalls.
510
00:30:27,086 --> 00:30:28,739
Uh-huh.Now it's Notorious B.I.G.
511
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:29,915
Uh-huh.And I keep flipping
back and forth.
512
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:30,959
I mean...
It's all good.
513
00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:32,352
It's all good.
514
00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,093
I mean, somebody else
had the name,
515
00:30:34,223 --> 00:30:35,442
so I couldn't use the name.
You know what I'm sayin'?
516
00:30:35,572 --> 00:30:37,444
The checks are signed
Notorious B.I.G.
517
00:30:37,574 --> 00:30:39,272
B.I.G.
But my peoples,
you know what I'm sayin',
518
00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:40,490
they still call me Biggie.They -- They call you Biggie.
519
00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:42,405
It's all good.It's all good.
520
00:30:42,536 --> 00:30:44,843
Big was the greatest artist
I ever worked with,
521
00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:48,759
and he was also,
you know, my friend.
522
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:55,941
I don't think people realize,
like, how young we were.
523
00:30:56,071 --> 00:30:57,899
Big was just like 19.
524
00:30:58,030 --> 00:31:00,206
I'm just like,
you know, turning 21.
525
00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:01,903
You know,
so we're actually like kids
526
00:31:02,034 --> 00:31:04,732
in this multibillion-dollar
industry.
527
00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:06,255
You all right?
528
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:09,737
You know, two young men
529
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:12,653
that really had a chemistry,
really got along,
530
00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:16,091
and were just really enjoying
this dream that we had.
531
00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:17,527
And it was a dream
that we had together
532
00:31:17,658 --> 00:31:19,007
and we made happen together.
533
00:31:19,138 --> 00:31:21,531
So it made our bond
extremely close.
534
00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:24,143
He took me out of a dangerous
game. You know what I'm sayin'?
535
00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:26,362
I mean, I was selling drugs
real hard, you know?
536
00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:28,364
And when I got the record deal,
all that got cut short.
537
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,323
So it's like he Jesus to me,
538
00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:32,412
you know what I'm sayin',
'cause he just saved me.
539
00:31:32,542 --> 00:31:34,109
And it's real,
and I go all out for him.
540
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,155
No, I ain't saying none of that.
I'm not Jesus. Jesus...
541
00:31:36,285 --> 00:31:38,766
To me, I look at him like --
I say Jesus --
542
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,986
And, uh, next question is...Whatever.
543
00:31:41,116 --> 00:31:43,292
Watch you out for the thunder
out this motherfucker.
544
00:31:43,423 --> 00:31:45,904
He saved me.
545
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:47,775
Puffy and Big
were like brothers.
546
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,777
There was a genuine connection
there,
547
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:51,126
a genuine care.
548
00:31:51,257 --> 00:31:53,389
It's all good.
549
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,217
Puffy really cared about Big.
550
00:31:55,348 --> 00:31:57,393
He cared about his well-being.
551
00:31:57,524 --> 00:31:59,787
And Big cared about Puffy,
as well.
552
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:02,659
We were just young kids
with great ideas,
553
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:07,142
a lot of drive,
a lot of energy and creativity.
554
00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,320
The day Big and I met,
555
00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:14,628
there was a photo shoot for Puff
and his artists
556
00:32:14,758 --> 00:32:17,544
that he had just signed
to Bad Boy.
557
00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:19,198
Tell Big to come out
the meeting!
558
00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:22,549
Yo, I need Big now!
559
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,466
Lil' This was
the first time we was meeting
560
00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:27,902
all the other new artists
that was on Bad Boy.
561
00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:29,991
We didn't know
that Puff signed a female.
562
00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:32,472
Hey. Hey.
563
00:32:32,602 --> 00:32:34,256
Lil' When Big saw, he was
just like, "Yo, who is that?"
564
00:32:34,387 --> 00:32:36,128
You know, he went over there
just start messing with her.
565
00:32:36,258 --> 00:32:40,436
Notorious B.I.G.
What's going on?
566
00:32:40,567 --> 00:32:41,785
On one of our breaks,
567
00:32:41,916 --> 00:32:43,439
I was looking through
some photos
568
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:45,267
that I had just developed,
569
00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:48,053
and he sat down and was asking
could he see my pictures,
570
00:32:48,183 --> 00:32:49,663
you know, and was
asking questions.
571
00:32:49,793 --> 00:32:52,231
"Is this your daughter?"
Blah, blah, blah.
572
00:32:52,361 --> 00:32:53,841
And he ended up asking me,
573
00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:56,322
could I take him back
to Brooklyn
574
00:32:56,452 --> 00:32:58,715
you know,
when the photo shoot was over
575
00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:01,718
because I had a car of my own,
and he did not.
576
00:33:01,849 --> 00:33:05,896
And he was with four other guys
from Junior M.A.F.I.A.
577
00:33:27,309 --> 00:33:29,398
When I dropped them off,
and, you know,
578
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:32,836
after all the jokes and smokes
he said,
579
00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:34,142
"I'm gonna call you tomorrow."
580
00:33:34,273 --> 00:33:35,839
And I was like, "Yeah, okay."
581
00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:38,016
But I hadn't given him
my number.
582
00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:40,366
And the next day,
he did call me.
583
00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:42,324
So I asked him,
"How did you get my number?"
584
00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:44,109
You know, he's like,
"I got my ways,"
585
00:33:44,239 --> 00:33:46,024
which I thought
was kind of cute.
586
00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:48,330
And so, uh,
he continued to call me,
587
00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:49,853
and I would come to Brooklyn
588
00:33:49,984 --> 00:33:52,334
pretty much every day
after that.
589
00:33:52,465 --> 00:33:54,684
And the first thing he would
usually say when he called,
590
00:33:54,815 --> 00:33:55,816
"What are we gonna eat today?"
591
00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:06,087
Needless to say,
every one of those times,
592
00:34:06,218 --> 00:34:10,657
Cease, Nino,
at the very least, were in tow.
593
00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:12,311
It was a package deal.
594
00:34:12,441 --> 00:34:15,096
Now, I remember coming,
595
00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:16,576
getting the orders
from you and Big,
596
00:34:16,706 --> 00:34:18,534
and coming here
and get the food.
597
00:34:18,665 --> 00:34:20,536
They like family to us,
this spot.
598
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:22,103
You could call them, and they
know who they talking to.
599
00:34:22,234 --> 00:34:23,583
"Come pick that up."Y'all used to eat a lot
600
00:34:23,713 --> 00:34:25,541
because I would come
and pick up like 10 orders,
601
00:34:25,672 --> 00:34:27,413
and there was only
four people.
602
00:34:27,543 --> 00:34:28,936
So...Oh, yeah, we used to...
603
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:30,938
It was probably
four orders for Big.
604
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,635
They used to show
a lot of love, too.
605
00:34:32,766 --> 00:34:33,810
You would come in here --
You could come in here
606
00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:35,595
with $3 and eat good.
607
00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:37,292
Like, they know
they gonna see us again.
608
00:34:37,423 --> 00:34:38,598
We'd come back,
pay them the next day.
609
00:34:38,728 --> 00:34:40,469
-Mm-hmm.
-That's how we used to do.
610
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,342
That's all we did was bug out,
hang out all the time.
611
00:34:43,472 --> 00:34:46,040
Lil'
She was coming around,
hanging out all the time.
612
00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:47,607
You know, that was his girl.
613
00:34:47,737 --> 00:34:49,348
He was in love with her.
You know what I mean?
614
00:34:49,478 --> 00:34:51,089
Something about her that was
making him feel good
615
00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:52,525
about hisself,
made him feel love.
616
00:34:52,655 --> 00:34:55,223
H-He wanted to be around her.
He embraced her.
617
00:34:55,354 --> 00:34:58,139
This my woman.
618
00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:00,228
This my woman right there.
That's my people.
619
00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:01,751
I think he wanted somebody
620
00:35:01,882 --> 00:35:03,188
that was
on the same level as him
621
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:04,624
as far as like, you know,
622
00:35:04,754 --> 00:35:05,842
chasing the same dream
he was chasing,
623
00:35:05,973 --> 00:35:07,453
successful like him.
624
00:35:07,583 --> 00:35:09,803
I think that's what
really made them gel.
625
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,610
He was very sexy to me
because of his personality.
626
00:35:34,741 --> 00:35:37,918
From the first time we had
a conversation, you know,
627
00:35:38,048 --> 00:35:42,052
there was something that I felt
that was really cool about him.
628
00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:45,099
And, um, shortly after that,
629
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:48,189
it may have been about five,
six weeks, something like that,
630
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,756
and he was like,
"I'm gonna marry you."
631
00:35:49,886 --> 00:35:51,105
I'm like, "Are you serious?"
632
00:35:51,236 --> 00:35:52,889
He asked me again the next day,
633
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:56,893
and less than a week, probably,
August 4, 1994,
634
00:35:57,024 --> 00:35:59,766
we drove up to Rockland County,
Upstate New York,
635
00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:01,681
to the Justice of the Peace
636
00:36:01,811 --> 00:36:03,422
and went in a little room
with a clerk,
637
00:36:03,552 --> 00:36:05,554
and we got married.
638
00:36:09,602 --> 00:36:11,560
He was like, "You know
I'm marrying Faith."
639
00:36:11,691 --> 00:36:12,822
And I was like,
"What are you talking about?"
640
00:36:12,953 --> 00:36:15,695
I thought it was a joke.
641
00:36:15,825 --> 00:36:19,220
I just thought
they were both crazy.
642
00:36:19,351 --> 00:36:21,831
The honeymoon
was the next morning
643
00:36:21,962 --> 00:36:23,746
when I came back to Brooklyn
644
00:36:23,877 --> 00:36:27,272
in the back room
while Miss Wallace was at work
645
00:36:27,402 --> 00:36:29,578
and Cease and anyone else
was not around, okay?
646
00:36:31,232 --> 00:36:34,757
The most privacy we got
in them early days
647
00:36:34,888 --> 00:36:37,804
was somebody going outside
to wait outside
648
00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:39,545
while we go in the room.
649
00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:41,547
Like, "Cease,
go outside for a minute."
650
00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:42,896
"Go to the car."
"Get to the store."
651
00:36:43,026 --> 00:36:44,332
Like, we can't do
nothing without them.
652
00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:46,465
I got used to it.
It's all good.
653
00:36:46,595 --> 00:36:48,510
But I'm like, hey,
in certain moments, like...
654
00:36:48,641 --> 00:36:50,164
Yeah, it's to the point
where you...
655
00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:51,513
Yeah.
656
00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:00,609
Shit changes.
You know what I'm sayin'?
657
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:01,567
Everything happens for a reason.
658
00:37:01,697 --> 00:37:03,438
And I think me hustlin',
659
00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,267
sellin' drugs, it schooled me
to the streets a lot.
660
00:37:06,398 --> 00:37:07,921
You know what I'm sayin'?
I learned a lot.
661
00:37:08,051 --> 00:37:09,488
You know what I'm sayin'?
I learned there's some things
662
00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:11,490
you can do
and some things you can't do.
663
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,884
And sellin' drugs forever
is something you can't do.
664
00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:16,669
You cannot do that.
665
00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:18,540
You will eventually die
or go to jail.
666
00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,238
That's a fact.
667
00:37:25,504 --> 00:37:27,027
I got involved
with this music thing.
668
00:37:27,157 --> 00:37:28,246
You know what I'm sayin'?
It changed my life around,
669
00:37:28,376 --> 00:37:30,073
took care of my family.
670
00:37:30,204 --> 00:37:31,771
Now I'm straight making music
for the people.
671
00:37:42,216 --> 00:37:44,044
I eliminated all the bullshit.
672
00:37:44,174 --> 00:37:46,699
All the drugs, all the street
shit all the extra shit.
673
00:37:46,829 --> 00:37:48,222
That's out of my life now.
674
00:37:48,353 --> 00:37:49,702
It's strictly business
and entertainment.
675
00:37:56,143 --> 00:37:59,755
Big was known -- he's known --
he was highly anticipated
676
00:37:59,886 --> 00:38:02,105
definitely before
his album dropped.
677
00:38:02,236 --> 00:38:04,630
He had enough records out there
678
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,588
that you knew
he was next up, you know?
679
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,112
People had their eyes on him.
680
00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:11,463
John Singleton tells a story
681
00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:13,856
of being in a limousine
with Tupac,
682
00:38:13,987 --> 00:38:17,512
and on endless loop for hours
was "Party and Bullshit"
683
00:38:17,643 --> 00:38:19,819
It was like Tupac
was obsessed with the song.
684
00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:21,386
And that's one of the things
that led to him
685
00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:23,431
reaching out to Big,
686
00:38:23,562 --> 00:38:24,911
and that was really kind of
the birth of their friendship.
687
00:38:31,831 --> 00:38:34,355
Lil' The day Tupac came,
it was crazy out here, man.
688
00:38:34,486 --> 00:38:35,835
We see this limo pull up
right over there
689
00:38:35,965 --> 00:38:37,576
where that --
where that yellow sign is,
690
00:38:37,706 --> 00:38:39,360
that Golden Krust,
that used to be a pizza shop.
691
00:38:39,491 --> 00:38:41,101
When he pulled up
and got out that car,
692
00:38:41,231 --> 00:38:42,450
I mean, it lit my hood up.
693
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,802
That was our first time,
like, really seeing somebody
694
00:38:46,933 --> 00:38:48,543
that we actually
liked and respected
695
00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:51,241
actually come
to a real neighborhood.
696
00:38:51,372 --> 00:38:53,069
Chopped it up, kicked it
with us, smoked a blunt with us,
697
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,028
and took all of us to the --
to the show with him.
698
00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:56,725
He had a show
at The Ritz that night.
699
00:38:56,856 --> 00:38:58,161
He came up here to pick up Big,
and he came out here
700
00:38:58,292 --> 00:38:59,293
and showed love
to everybody, man,
701
00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:02,601
and he showed his love to B.I.
702
00:39:02,731 --> 00:39:06,996
That's when I knew how important
that B.I. was to him.
703
00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:11,566
Pac was in New York
making records, filming "Juice."
704
00:39:11,697 --> 00:39:14,177
They became really,
really close friends.
705
00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:17,833
Big would sleep on Pac's couch.
706
00:39:17,964 --> 00:39:20,183
Pac was a year older,
but essentially the thing was
707
00:39:20,314 --> 00:39:22,969
was that they both identified
708
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:25,319
with lack
of central father figure,
709
00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:28,409
being hot MCs at the same time,
710
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:32,108
naturally intelligent
both in the street sense
711
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,939
and in book sense
because both were well-read.
712
00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:39,551
Um, they just had a lot of fun
around each other.
713
00:39:39,681 --> 00:39:41,727
Ready nigga?
You want to set it off?
714
00:39:41,857 --> 00:39:44,425
Man, I'm scared to do
some freestyle.
715
00:39:44,556 --> 00:39:47,254
I'm scared to do
some freestyle.
716
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,996
Pac respected Big as an artist
and as a person.
717
00:39:50,126 --> 00:39:52,390
He knew Big was real.
He knew -- He knew Big was down.
718
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,087
And Big embraced him
the same way.
719
00:39:54,217 --> 00:39:55,741
Like, they was --
they was really cool.
720
00:39:58,352 --> 00:39:59,658
-Yeah.
721
00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:33,996
Peace and love.
Here we go.
722
00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:02,590
He schooled me to a lot
because he knew a lot, you know?
723
00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:03,983
He told me, "Yo, you could do
724
00:41:04,113 --> 00:41:05,941
a whole lot of things
in this game.
725
00:41:06,072 --> 00:41:06,986
You could be the broke rapper
or you could be the rich rapper.
726
00:41:07,116 --> 00:41:08,727
You know what I'm sayin'?
727
00:41:08,857 --> 00:41:10,119
You could rap as hard
as you want on your album,
728
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:11,207
but just make sure the radio
got some joints.
729
00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:12,861
You know what I'm sayin'?
730
00:41:12,992 --> 00:41:14,776
Make sure you got those
radio-friendly records
731
00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:17,736
that the girls is gonna like,
that the radio's gonna like.
732
00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:18,911
It's gonna help you sell
your album."Mm-hmm.
733
00:41:20,608 --> 00:41:22,610
Pac was almost, like,
734
00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:25,134
mentoring Big in the beginning.
735
00:41:25,265 --> 00:41:27,267
To understand Big and Tupac
736
00:41:27,397 --> 00:41:31,750
is really to watch this kind
of Gemini quality, you know?
737
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,014
They were both Geminis,
and they attracted each other
738
00:41:35,144 --> 00:41:38,844
and then, of course,
you know, it repelled.
739
00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:41,194
I'm kickin' it
with the Notorious Big.
740
00:41:41,324 --> 00:41:43,718
You know what I'm sayin'?
Uptown MCA.
741
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:45,546
What's up, baby?Bad Boy Entertainment
Management Group.
742
00:41:45,677 --> 00:41:47,156
What's happenin', homey?Chillin'.
743
00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:48,854
Same thing every day,
you know?
744
00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:51,552
Yeah.
So as far as your album go,
745
00:41:51,683 --> 00:41:53,206
your debut album,
that's gonna be dropped?
746
00:41:53,336 --> 00:41:55,643
September, man, September.What's the title?
747
00:41:55,774 --> 00:41:57,776
"Ready To Die.""Ready To Die"?
748
00:41:57,906 --> 00:41:59,560
For all the black dudes.
You know what I'm sayin'?
749
00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:01,693
Buck wild.
750
00:42:01,823 --> 00:42:03,259
The album is called
"Ready To Die."
751
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:05,087
It's just a big pie
752
00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:06,959
with different slices of things
that happened in my life.
753
00:42:07,089 --> 00:42:08,134
You know what I'm sayin'?
754
00:42:08,264 --> 00:42:09,614
Why Ready To Die?
755
00:42:09,744 --> 00:42:12,617
Because.
Because...?
756
00:42:12,747 --> 00:42:15,924
Um, I guess they thought --
I figured it out like this.
757
00:42:16,055 --> 00:42:17,796
If you wake up in the morning,
you know what I'm sayin',
758
00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:19,406
and you ain't going to school,
you ain't workin',
759
00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:22,365
you hustlin' every day
tryin' to get some money,
760
00:42:22,496 --> 00:42:23,932
you're riskin' your life
every day.
761
00:42:24,063 --> 00:42:26,413
And you're doing it every day
without any hesitation,
762
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,110
so you ready to die.
763
00:42:28,241 --> 00:42:30,243
You don't really care.
You're just tryin' to get paper.
764
00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:32,375
That's the only thing
that's on your mind.
765
00:42:32,506 --> 00:42:34,856
That's the only thing
that was on my mind,
so I wrote a song about it.
766
00:42:34,987 --> 00:42:38,251
We wanted to make a movie on wax
about this kid from Brooklyn
767
00:42:38,381 --> 00:42:41,297
who had nothing to lose,
and he was ready to die,
768
00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:45,432
and that was the mentality
that was going on --
769
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:48,217
coming out of the '80s
and out of, you know,
770
00:42:48,348 --> 00:42:51,960
out of crack and, you know,
everybody losing their families
771
00:42:52,091 --> 00:42:55,790
and, you know, not seeing
any light on the horizon.
772
00:43:09,761 --> 00:43:12,459
"Ready To Die" is about,
in terms of the persona,
773
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:15,854
a kid who was born
to a broken household,
774
00:43:15,984 --> 00:43:18,421
who is out on the street
fending for himself.
775
00:43:42,271 --> 00:43:43,925
Goes through the whole journey
of the record
776
00:43:44,056 --> 00:43:46,014
trying to become
this big hustler.
777
00:43:55,676 --> 00:43:57,504
Becomes a big hustler
778
00:43:57,635 --> 00:43:59,680
and then is so disgusted
with himself,
779
00:43:59,811 --> 00:44:01,290
at the end of the record,
kills himself.
780
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:15,348
We finally had a rap artist
781
00:44:15,478 --> 00:44:19,352
that was inadvertently
the personification
782
00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:24,966
of 70 years of thought
about black life,
783
00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:28,753
personified by the kid that had
been completely abandoned
784
00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:30,624
and now had a voice
and now had a record
785
00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:33,714
that put him on a map in the way
786
00:44:33,845 --> 00:44:36,543
that I don't think
really has been duplicated
787
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:38,501
because it managed
to both be gangster
788
00:44:38,632 --> 00:44:40,547
and political simultaneously.
789
00:44:55,344 --> 00:44:57,564
This right here is my office,
my little --
790
00:44:57,695 --> 00:44:59,218
This is where --
This is my little lab.
791
00:44:59,348 --> 00:45:01,220
I'm just living out a dream.
You know what I'm sayin'?
792
00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:02,743
Young black man
just living out a dream.
793
00:45:02,874 --> 00:45:04,049
It was just a great experience
794
00:45:04,179 --> 00:45:06,791
launching a hip-hop artist's
career
795
00:45:06,921 --> 00:45:10,185
that had so many different
dimensions and levels.
796
00:45:10,316 --> 00:45:13,014
If I had McD-- a McDonald's job,
797
00:45:13,145 --> 00:45:15,538
most of the songs would have
been about Big Macs and fries
798
00:45:15,669 --> 00:45:17,410
and, you know, stuff like that.
799
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,542
I hustled,
That what's my -- my game was,
800
00:45:19,673 --> 00:45:21,196
so that's what
I was rapping about.
801
00:45:21,327 --> 00:45:23,155
That's how I was gettin' down.
802
00:45:23,285 --> 00:45:25,418
You got to really understand
how deep he has to dig
803
00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:27,550
to tell these stories
that he's telling.
804
00:45:27,681 --> 00:45:29,422
This is what a black man
805
00:45:29,552 --> 00:45:32,077
is going through
in their consciousness
806
00:45:32,207 --> 00:45:34,427
and in their heart
and their spirit.
807
00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:38,823
And his thing is like,
"I'ma make you deal with it."
808
00:45:38,953 --> 00:45:42,087
And my thing was like, "I'ma put
the music underneath it
809
00:45:42,217 --> 00:45:43,871
to make you dance to it
810
00:45:44,002 --> 00:45:45,873
and make you feel it
as you're dealing with it."
811
00:45:46,004 --> 00:45:47,745
Is he giving you
the freedom to be Big?
812
00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:49,398
The man that you are
and do your thing?
813
00:45:49,529 --> 00:45:51,400
I know --
We all know how Puff is.
814
00:45:51,531 --> 00:45:52,750
I'm saying,
he want to make hits.
815
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,186
That's what he thrives on.Exactly.
816
00:45:54,316 --> 00:45:55,709
He let me know that
from the beginning.
817
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,406
He thrive off hits.
You know what I'm sayin'?
818
00:45:57,537 --> 00:45:59,191
And the record speaks
for itself.
819
00:45:59,321 --> 00:46:01,454
So whatever he tell me to do,
you know what I'm sayin',
820
00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:03,064
if it ain't too outlandish,
I'll roll.
821
00:46:03,195 --> 00:46:04,936
You know what I'm sayin'?
I'm down.
822
00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:07,982
I don't care what nobody says,
823
00:46:08,113 --> 00:46:10,811
those two together
were the ultimate duo.
824
00:46:10,942 --> 00:46:15,033
Biggie had the artistry,
and Puff had the vision.
825
00:46:15,163 --> 00:46:17,513
When you put it together,
it was just magical.
826
00:46:17,644 --> 00:46:19,994
Puffy said, "Okay,
let's take this R&B sound,
827
00:46:20,125 --> 00:46:22,301
let's put hardcore hip-hop
on top of it,
828
00:46:22,431 --> 00:46:24,216
and let's put it out
to the masses."
829
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,873
Easy Mo I remember
at the end of the recording
830
00:46:29,003 --> 00:46:30,396
for "Ready To Die,"
831
00:46:30,526 --> 00:46:33,312
Biggie had all of these
rough and tough,
832
00:46:33,442 --> 00:46:35,662
you know, gritty hip-hop songs.
833
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:38,883
And here come Puffy in
with this one record.
834
00:46:39,013 --> 00:46:41,581
It's like,
"This is your radio record."
835
00:46:41,711 --> 00:46:43,061
And he was like,
"No, the record is --
836
00:46:43,191 --> 00:46:44,497
I'm not getting
on anything like that.
837
00:46:44,627 --> 00:46:46,238
That record is too soft."
838
00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:49,545
But I was like, you know,
"Trust me. Just trust me."
839
00:46:56,161 --> 00:47:00,252
Mister
"Juicy" was the all-time male
Cinderella hip-hop story.
840
00:47:00,382 --> 00:47:03,603
"I went from the hood
to just being successful."
841
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:05,605
You know,
that's every rapper's dream.
842
00:47:10,784 --> 00:47:12,264
Easy Mo You listen
to the lyrics of "Juicy,"
843
00:47:12,394 --> 00:47:13,700
he's basically speaking
844
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,745
of the things
that he wanted to exist.
845
00:47:15,876 --> 00:47:18,313
The cars, the house --
all of that wasn't true.
846
00:47:18,444 --> 00:47:22,187
But when you speak positively,
you receive positively.
847
00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:40,422
You can't do nothing
but listen to his story
848
00:47:40,553 --> 00:47:42,729
and ride with him on his journey
849
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,863
from a dream
to becoming the king.
850
00:47:45,993 --> 00:47:47,995
That's what that song is --
a celebration.
851
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:54,567
What came out of him
was his honesty.
852
00:47:54,697 --> 00:47:55,916
"And you a black man?
853
00:47:56,047 --> 00:47:57,526
And you're, like,
being vulnerable?"
854
00:47:57,657 --> 00:47:59,964
And this is like, you know,
in the early '90s.
855
00:48:00,094 --> 00:48:02,662
This is like really, really
unheard of
856
00:48:02,792 --> 00:48:05,317
expressing yourself like this
to the world, you know?
857
00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:13,325
I was like, I know I've been
involved in a lot of things,
858
00:48:13,455 --> 00:48:16,154
but I just knew, like,
this -- this thing right here
859
00:48:16,284 --> 00:48:18,069
was gonna -- it was gonna change
our lives.
860
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,027
Everybody, come on!
861
00:48:29,689 --> 00:48:32,431
And everybody showed me
love and bought the record,
862
00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:34,433
and it stayed on the charts
for a long time.
863
00:48:34,563 --> 00:48:36,826
I got love for them,
so I'ma keep doing it.
864
00:48:36,957 --> 00:48:38,872
Lil'
Blew up straight from the gate.
865
00:48:39,003 --> 00:48:40,743
A lot of people ain't blow up
their first album.
866
00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:43,703
Big came out, sold millions
of records just from the rip.
867
00:48:43,833 --> 00:48:47,707
Straight out the hood,
a nigga did good.
868
00:48:52,233 --> 00:48:56,281
There was a Valentine party,
and Christopher was performing.
869
00:48:56,411 --> 00:48:59,110
He said, "Ma, you've never
seen me in concert.
870
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:02,287
Please, please come."
And I went.
871
00:49:07,596 --> 00:49:10,425
To be honest with you...
I wasn't impressed.
872
00:49:11,557 --> 00:49:13,820
I hate rap.
873
00:49:17,824 --> 00:49:19,652
I saw all the girls
goo-goo ga-ing
874
00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:22,002
over his performance,
875
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:25,701
and I sent the message
that it is time for me to go.
876
00:49:25,832 --> 00:49:28,139
So the car -- car
was out there waiting for me,
877
00:49:28,269 --> 00:49:30,184
and then the limo driver told me
878
00:49:30,315 --> 00:49:33,187
there was something
in the back for me.
879
00:49:33,318 --> 00:49:35,233
And, um,
when I was coming out,
880
00:49:35,363 --> 00:49:38,236
it was a beautiful arrangement
of flowers
881
00:49:38,366 --> 00:49:41,021
and a bottle of champagne.
882
00:49:41,152 --> 00:49:42,936
"Thanks for coming
to my concert."
883
00:49:43,067 --> 00:49:46,548
That was from my son.
884
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:48,681
And I thought
that was a lovely evening.
885
00:49:48,811 --> 00:49:52,859
This my mom's crib.
This where I was born at.
886
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,382
I ain't seen her
in a couple weeks.
887
00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:55,862
Tell ya, when she comes down,
888
00:49:55,993 --> 00:49:57,037
she's gonna be doing
a lot of talking.
889
00:49:57,168 --> 00:49:58,517
She talk a lot.
890
00:49:58,647 --> 00:50:01,041
He could drive you bonkers.
891
00:50:01,172 --> 00:50:03,304
Yes, he could.
892
00:50:03,435 --> 00:50:04,958
Hear about
my four Source Awards?
893
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:07,004
Oh, I heard about it.
I sent you a congratulations.
894
00:50:07,134 --> 00:50:09,136
You did not even
call me back.
895
00:50:09,267 --> 00:50:10,790
That's why I'm furious
with you.
896
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,052
You ain't furious with me.
897
00:50:12,183 --> 00:50:14,011
I'm not?
898
00:50:14,141 --> 00:50:15,882
But he was my friend.
899
00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:20,539
I miss just talking to him.
900
00:50:20,669 --> 00:50:22,062
I miss his jokes 'cause he --
901
00:50:22,193 --> 00:50:25,457
You know, he always --
he's always --
902
00:50:25,587 --> 00:50:28,721
have something to say
to you to make you laugh.
903
00:50:28,851 --> 00:50:30,418
You know, I miss that.
904
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:32,899
I miss that a lot.
905
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:34,814
You know, and that's why some --
906
00:50:34,944 --> 00:50:38,470
And that's when I look
at his picture and I smile
907
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,474
because I think
of the -- the good times.
908
00:50:44,911 --> 00:50:47,479
You know, I can look
at his picture and smile.
909
00:51:38,269 --> 00:51:40,314
You know, I got
a lot of pushback on "Juicy,"
910
00:51:40,445 --> 00:51:41,750
but he did it,
911
00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:43,535
and people
really loved it so much,
912
00:51:43,665 --> 00:51:45,363
and he kind of saw
913
00:51:45,493 --> 00:51:47,582
the way people started
looking at him differently.
914
00:51:47,713 --> 00:51:49,062
'Cause you could tell, like,
915
00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:51,238
oh, this guy is about
to be a superstar.
916
00:51:51,369 --> 00:51:53,762
So people started
treating him like that.
917
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:56,417
And his change went overnight
918
00:51:56,548 --> 00:51:59,507
from army fatigues
to Coogi sweaters
919
00:51:59,638 --> 00:52:00,987
and
and, you know,
920
00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,207
just being a little bit flyer,
921
00:52:03,337 --> 00:52:06,210
and being a little bit
more fashion-conscious.
922
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:08,734
Big's style in the beginning
923
00:52:08,864 --> 00:52:11,998
was very, very Brooklyn,
New York hip-hop.
924
00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:16,568
Hardcore, bandanas, Timbs,
oversized jeans.
925
00:52:16,698 --> 00:52:20,485
But as his sound evolved,
his look evolved, as well,
926
00:52:20,615 --> 00:52:23,444
and he sort of became
this Brooklyn hustler,
927
00:52:23,575 --> 00:52:26,621
mac daddy, ladies man.
928
00:52:38,981 --> 00:52:40,505
I just wanted to show
929
00:52:40,635 --> 00:52:42,724
that we didn't always have
to have do-rags on.
930
00:52:42,855 --> 00:52:45,031
We didn't always have
to have guns in our videos.
931
00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:46,467
We didn't always have
to be doing things
932
00:52:46,598 --> 00:52:49,601
in broken-down, vacant lots
or the projects.
933
00:52:49,731 --> 00:52:54,301
I was taking a page from Motown,
how tailored their artists were
934
00:52:54,432 --> 00:52:56,173
and how their artists
represented
935
00:52:56,303 --> 00:52:58,349
the finer things in life.
936
00:53:07,706 --> 00:53:09,925
I was just telling my truth
as he was telling his truth.
937
00:53:10,056 --> 00:53:12,319
And together, you know,
we came and made something
938
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:13,712
that wasn't just hip-hop,
939
00:53:13,842 --> 00:53:15,931
but just -- it was also culture.
940
00:53:23,852 --> 00:53:25,202
He was the first rap artist
941
00:53:25,332 --> 00:53:27,029
to get the guys and the girls,
942
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,509
and people don't realize that.
943
00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,996
What?
944
00:53:37,126 --> 00:53:38,867
They were screaming for him
just like they would scream
945
00:53:38,998 --> 00:53:40,521
for New Edition
or Justin Bieber.
946
00:53:42,393 --> 00:53:43,524
That's how they were screaming
for Biggie.
947
00:54:01,629 --> 00:54:03,457
Jay-The juxtaposition
of this big guy
948
00:54:03,588 --> 00:54:04,850
who was like a sex symbol.
949
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:07,156
Like, what's going on here?
You know?
950
00:54:11,073 --> 00:54:12,901
Jay-He would take things
that you would use against him
951
00:54:13,032 --> 00:54:15,121
and just, like, defuse you.
952
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:27,655
Done.
Now you can't say it
953
00:54:27,786 --> 00:54:29,701
'cause he just defused
the whole thing.
954
00:54:29,831 --> 00:54:33,008
His confidence
gave so many guys confidence.
955
00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:53,855
You could tell
how he was gettin' down.
956
00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:57,032
You could tell
how he was gettin' down.
957
00:54:57,163 --> 00:54:59,687
He was our savior, man.
958
00:54:59,818 --> 00:55:01,559
Big was like me.
959
00:55:01,689 --> 00:55:03,387
You're dark. You're heavy.
960
00:55:03,517 --> 00:55:04,823
We don't come up
through the girl system
961
00:55:04,953 --> 00:55:06,477
with the girls
being all over you,
962
00:55:06,607 --> 00:55:10,176
so all he had was how sharp
his lyrics could be,
963
00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:12,004
cutting through.
964
00:55:22,841 --> 00:55:24,277
That's temptation right there.
965
00:55:24,408 --> 00:55:26,410
Temptation.
966
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:29,195
Ladies loved Biggie.
Loved him.
967
00:55:29,326 --> 00:55:31,502
I mean, if you wasn't
secure with yourself
968
00:55:31,632 --> 00:55:34,113
and you hung around Big,
you would have a problem.
969
00:55:34,243 --> 00:55:36,420
Lil'
Big was the man on tour, man.
970
00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:38,291
He embraced that part
of the life, man.
971
00:55:38,422 --> 00:55:40,946
We had a lot of fun
with a lot of chicks, man.
972
00:55:41,076 --> 00:55:42,687
Whoo!
973
00:55:42,817 --> 00:55:45,820
Lil' Hotel parties.
Backstage parties.
974
00:55:45,951 --> 00:55:47,735
Show parties.
975
00:55:47,866 --> 00:55:49,346
It was a of a good life.
976
00:55:49,476 --> 00:55:51,652
-All righty, then.
977
00:55:51,783 --> 00:55:54,394
Big had access,
um, to a lifestyle
978
00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:56,831
that he didn't have previously,
979
00:55:56,962 --> 00:56:00,531
and a lot was happening
really quickly with the women
980
00:56:00,661 --> 00:56:04,012
and the traveling
and the attention,
981
00:56:04,143 --> 00:56:06,624
and Faith was his wife.
982
00:56:06,754 --> 00:56:08,495
And that's not easy
for any wife to handle,
983
00:56:08,626 --> 00:56:11,455
let alone a young wife
and a new wife.
984
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:17,722
What I was up against
was being 21 years old,
985
00:56:17,852 --> 00:56:20,159
married to another artist
986
00:56:20,289 --> 00:56:22,422
who happened
to just out the gate
987
00:56:22,553 --> 00:56:24,119
be really popular
988
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:30,343
and really, um, in demand
in more ways than one.
989
00:56:30,474 --> 00:56:32,127
When Faith was finding
out about things,
990
00:56:32,258 --> 00:56:34,129
oh, it was different ballgames.
991
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:36,697
Homegirl was comin' into town,
was kickin' in doors.
992
00:56:36,828 --> 00:56:38,699
He would always,
you know, check in
993
00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:41,702
and make sure he called me
once he got to whatever state.
994
00:56:41,833 --> 00:56:43,965
And this particular time,
he called,
995
00:56:44,096 --> 00:56:46,838
and it was just weird to me
because he was, like, um,
996
00:56:46,968 --> 00:56:48,317
"I'm just letting you know
997
00:56:48,448 --> 00:56:50,319
I'm letting such-and-such
use my room."
998
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:51,712
Big was just playing, you know,
999
00:56:51,843 --> 00:56:53,192
trying to be smooth with it,
1000
00:56:53,322 --> 00:56:55,107
but he just went about it
the wrong way.
1001
00:56:55,237 --> 00:56:57,109
And it was just strange to me.
1002
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,938
I mean, just my common sense,
like, "Okay, you got a suite.
1003
00:57:00,068 --> 00:57:01,853
Everybody else
probably has a single.
1004
00:57:01,983 --> 00:57:04,682
You're gonna let somebody
use your suite for what?"
1005
00:57:04,812 --> 00:57:07,467
Faith wasn't playin'.
Faith came out there quick.
1006
00:57:07,598 --> 00:57:10,035
Made my way up to the room
and, you know,
1007
00:57:10,165 --> 00:57:11,993
I knocked on the door
really lightly
1008
00:57:12,124 --> 00:57:13,952
and then I heard somebody say
something like, "Who is it?"
1009
00:57:14,082 --> 00:57:15,823
And I was like, um,
"Housekeeping."
1010
00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:18,522
My room was across
the hall from his.
1011
00:57:18,652 --> 00:57:22,526
It's way too early
for housekeeping.
1012
00:57:22,656 --> 00:57:25,616
So I go to my peephole
and I look out, and it's Faith.
1013
00:57:25,746 --> 00:57:27,052
I'm like, "Oh shit"
1014
00:57:27,182 --> 00:57:30,011
The chick opens the door...
1015
00:57:30,142 --> 00:57:32,579
And I just started
swingin' on.
1016
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:34,712
...and she lays her out.
1017
00:57:34,842 --> 00:57:39,673
She put hands and feet
on that girl.
1018
00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:42,197
And then he said something like,
"I didn't even fuck her."
1019
00:57:42,328 --> 00:57:44,243
I'm like, "Really?
1020
00:57:44,373 --> 00:57:47,551
This is the line you're gonna
go with to your wife
1021
00:57:47,681 --> 00:57:49,640
after she finds you
in a room with somebody?"
1022
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:51,076
And I was like,
"You should have,"
1023
00:57:51,206 --> 00:57:52,817
and then I grabbed my stuff
and I left,
1024
00:57:52,947 --> 00:57:55,384
and I got on the next flight
back to New York.
1025
00:57:55,515 --> 00:57:57,169
He was like, "Yo, dawg,
1026
00:57:57,299 --> 00:57:58,562
Faith just came here
and beat up the chick."
1027
00:57:58,692 --> 00:58:00,259
I was like,
"It's00 in the morning.
1028
00:58:00,389 --> 00:58:01,695
What are you talking about,
Faith just came here?"
1029
00:58:01,826 --> 00:58:03,349
He's like, "Yo, I'm not --
Dawg, look.
1030
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,177
And the girl was sitting there
covered up,
1031
00:58:05,307 --> 00:58:07,745
and like...all crazy, talkin'
about she pressin' charges.
1032
00:58:07,875 --> 00:58:09,834
It was really real.
1033
00:58:09,964 --> 00:58:11,618
I swear to this day, people be
like, "Yo, did that happen?"
1034
00:58:11,749 --> 00:58:13,968
I'm like, "Yo, dawg,
it really happened."
1035
00:58:14,099 --> 00:58:16,710
Yeah.
Faith is the illest, bro.
1036
00:58:16,841 --> 00:58:18,451
Yeah, that was gangsta
how I handled it.
1037
00:58:18,582 --> 00:58:20,105
Then he comes back
lookin' for me
1038
00:58:20,235 --> 00:58:22,324
and huntin' me down
all throughout Brooklyn.
1039
00:58:22,455 --> 00:58:23,935
And, you know, I don't know.
1040
00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:25,806
I think in a way,
it kind of made me feel
1041
00:58:25,937 --> 00:58:27,982
like that's my man even more.
1042
00:58:28,113 --> 00:58:30,768
Big would call.
1043
00:58:30,898 --> 00:58:33,205
He would be like, "Yo, Mis,
talk to her, man.
1044
00:58:33,335 --> 00:58:35,599
Like, talk to her.
She's not speakin' to me.
1045
00:58:35,729 --> 00:58:37,644
I need her.
I love her so much.
1046
00:58:37,775 --> 00:58:40,038
I need her to understand me."
1047
00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:41,909
He just still
had this thing about him
1048
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,042
that I just couldn't
stay mad at him, you know?
1049
00:58:44,172 --> 00:58:45,739
Couldn't stay angry with him.
1050
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:47,001
She was really pretty,
what I saw.
1051
00:58:47,132 --> 00:58:48,394
You know,
she was talkin' to me.
1052
00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:50,483
I wasn't fuckin'
with her like that.
1053
00:58:50,614 --> 00:58:54,879
She was pushin' up
on me, like, all...
1054
00:58:55,009 --> 00:58:56,924
-I was cool.
-I would expect him to be mean,
1055
00:58:57,055 --> 00:59:00,711
but he was real cool,
and that was attractive.
1056
00:59:00,841 --> 00:59:02,495
You know, we were in it.
1057
00:59:02,626 --> 00:59:04,453
Things were happenin' so fast,
so it was more of a,
1058
00:59:04,584 --> 00:59:06,107
"I'm not trying to not be
1059
00:59:06,238 --> 00:59:08,109
with my husband who I love,"
type of thing.
1060
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,634
Yeah, he says
nice things all the time.
1061
00:59:10,764 --> 00:59:13,593
He's a real nice person.
That's why I love him.
1062
00:59:13,724 --> 00:59:15,682
You know, more fight
for my relationship
1063
00:59:15,813 --> 00:59:19,512
literally and figuratively.
1064
00:59:41,621 --> 00:59:43,449
Jay-
Somebody bought "Ready To Die,"
1065
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,277
and I just rode around
listening to it.
1066
00:59:45,407 --> 00:59:48,019
You know, it's like,
"Oh, this is special."
1067
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,811
He just made movies
almost like Hitchcock.
1068
00:59:57,942 --> 01:00:00,814
They was these tales
that were disturbing sometimes,
1069
01:00:00,945 --> 01:00:03,251
but they all had a purpose
and a meaning.
1070
01:00:03,382 --> 01:00:05,036
And sometimes, they were
dramatic for effect.
1071
01:00:12,521 --> 01:00:15,350
He was, uh, Langston Hughes.
He was Donald Goines.
1072
01:00:15,481 --> 01:00:18,179
He was the -- the one.
1073
01:00:18,310 --> 01:00:20,704
He was the one.
He had more than just rap.
1074
01:00:20,834 --> 01:00:23,707
He had the look.
He had the presence.
1075
01:00:23,837 --> 01:00:25,273
He looked like a king.
1076
01:00:33,281 --> 01:00:34,892
Yo, where Brooklyn at?!
1077
01:00:40,985 --> 01:00:42,551
Jay-Big was
a brilliant songwriter,
1078
01:00:42,682 --> 01:00:44,336
had a beautiful vocabulary,
1079
01:00:44,466 --> 01:00:46,730
and he used words
that wasn't typical
1080
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:48,775
for the lexicon of hip-hop.
1081
01:00:48,906 --> 01:00:50,559
Like in "Who Shot Ya?"
You know...
1082
01:00:54,215 --> 01:00:57,175
You don't typically
hear "tricklin'" in hip-hop.
1083
01:01:08,882 --> 01:01:13,017
When he made "Who Shot Ya?"
I wanted to quit 'cause...
1084
01:01:23,288 --> 01:01:26,160
It's like, "Okay, yeah."
1085
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:39,260
It was beautiful,
it was so menacing
1086
01:01:39,391 --> 01:01:41,567
that the dark chords
and then his voice over them,
1087
01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:44,788
and it was just like the hardest
song you've ever heard.
1088
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:54,972
Biggie had his foot
on everybody's necks
1089
01:01:55,102 --> 01:01:57,235
from a musical standpoint.
1090
01:01:57,365 --> 01:02:01,848
We needed him, and he had a --
he had the game in a chokehold.
1091
01:02:01,979 --> 01:02:03,589
Jay-He was tellin' my story,
you know,
1092
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,940
and he was telling it
in a way that was super clear.
1093
01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:10,030
You know, like, the angst
and the frustration, you know?
1094
01:02:10,161 --> 01:02:14,992
And 3 minutes and 30 seconds
could just change your life.
1095
01:02:15,122 --> 01:02:17,037
You listen to a song
and you go, "Oh, man!"
You're thinking change.
1096
01:02:17,168 --> 01:02:18,952
I remember hearing...
1097
01:02:22,303 --> 01:02:24,001
And thinking, "Oh,"
1098
01:02:24,131 --> 01:02:27,004
'cause I was, like, still almost
in the life coming out,
1099
01:02:27,134 --> 01:02:29,354
like, thinking about
trying to be a rapper,
1100
01:02:29,484 --> 01:02:31,399
playing with the idea of it.
1101
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:33,619
And seeing my friends
go to jail,
1102
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:36,840
15 years, 20 years,
this person get killed,
1103
01:02:36,970 --> 01:02:38,537
all our childhood friends.
1104
01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:40,104
And then thinking, "Man,
1105
01:02:40,234 --> 01:02:43,194
I can't be doing this
at 30 years old."
1106
01:02:45,457 --> 01:02:49,026
And so those sort of phrases
change your entire life.
1107
01:02:49,156 --> 01:02:50,418
Really changed my life.
1108
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:53,030
Like, literally made me say,
"Okay,
1109
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,075
I got to figure this out."
1110
01:02:55,206 --> 01:02:58,644
I'm not saying that I wouldn't
have arrived at this point,
1111
01:02:58,775 --> 01:03:02,517
but if I had 99 things,
that was the 100th one
that just pushed it over
1112
01:03:02,648 --> 01:03:05,869
and said, "Yes, I got to go,
and I got to do this."
1113
01:03:05,999 --> 01:03:08,262
And I know he's done that
for countless people.
1114
01:03:12,919 --> 01:03:17,097
All the artists that were out
from New York at that time
1115
01:03:17,228 --> 01:03:21,493
did not have what it took
to carry the city at the moment
1116
01:03:21,623 --> 01:03:25,236
because it was Dre,
Snoop, and Tupac.
1117
01:03:25,366 --> 01:03:26,977
That's what was crackin'.
1118
01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:30,415
And Biggie brought
the music crown back over here.
1119
01:03:33,853 --> 01:03:35,899
-Entering the dark box.
-Oh, you ain't seen that.
1120
01:03:39,163 --> 01:03:40,860
And it was like
New York was back.
1121
01:03:40,991 --> 01:03:43,297
Sourceput him on the magazine,
"King of New York."
1122
01:03:43,428 --> 01:03:45,125
He was ready to go.
It was on.
1123
01:03:45,256 --> 01:03:46,474
-Get the plaque.
-Get the plaque
1124
01:03:46,605 --> 01:03:48,172
and the people
holding the plaque.
1125
01:03:48,302 --> 01:03:49,390
-What's it say?
-Look at the plaque.
1126
01:03:49,521 --> 01:03:51,088
We was hungry.
1127
01:03:51,218 --> 01:03:52,480
Everybody got to eat.
You know what I'm sayin'?
1128
01:03:52,611 --> 01:03:54,091
I found something I was good at,
1129
01:03:54,221 --> 01:03:55,788
I'm just trying to flip it, yo.
Keep it going.
1130
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:57,964
You know what I'm sayin'?
I ain't trying to slack at all.
1131
01:03:58,095 --> 01:03:59,748
Trying to present
for my peoples,
1132
01:03:59,879 --> 01:04:02,316
my borough, and my family,
and I'm hot.
1133
01:04:02,447 --> 01:04:04,579
And for those who don't
know, who -- Tell, you know --
1134
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:06,233
Tell our audience
about Junior M.A.F.I.A.
1135
01:04:06,364 --> 01:04:08,322
and what, uh --
what you're gonna do.
1136
01:04:08,453 --> 01:04:10,934
Yeah, Junior M.A.F.I.A. is nine
people from around my way
1137
01:04:11,064 --> 01:04:13,501
that I promised once I got on,
I was gonna put 'em on.
1138
01:04:13,632 --> 01:04:15,112
I got on, so they on.
1139
01:04:15,242 --> 01:04:18,593
They about to blow,
but we all gonna eat.
1140
01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,117
He told us to meet him
at his house.
1141
01:04:20,247 --> 01:04:22,162
We sat on the -- the doorstep
of his house.
1142
01:04:22,293 --> 01:04:25,600
He pulled up with the Kangol on,
with the level on,
1143
01:04:25,731 --> 01:04:28,038
he had the briefcase
with the -- the Biggie on it.
1144
01:04:28,168 --> 01:04:30,649
He said, "Yo, I just got
Junior M.A.F.I.A. deals on."
1145
01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:32,956
I know it was real for us.
1146
01:04:33,086 --> 01:04:34,740
Junior M.A.F.I.A., these were
the kids that he grew up with.
1147
01:04:34,871 --> 01:04:37,047
He didn't want to
just leave 'em in Brooklyn.
1148
01:04:37,177 --> 01:04:38,570
He didn't want
to just leave 'em behind.
1149
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,006
He wanted to take 'em with him,
1150
01:04:40,137 --> 01:04:41,616
and so he made 'em
into a rap group.
1151
01:04:41,747 --> 01:04:44,010
This is Junior M.A.F.I.A.
1152
01:04:44,141 --> 01:04:45,838
Big saw us heading
the wrong direction
1153
01:04:45,969 --> 01:04:47,405
and really tried to fix us up
1154
01:04:47,535 --> 01:04:49,973
and get us out of here
before we got caught up.
1155
01:04:50,103 --> 01:04:52,018
We was just steps away from,
you know...
Yeah.
1156
01:04:52,149 --> 01:04:53,585
...really being
in the mix out here.
1157
01:04:53,715 --> 01:04:54,934
Like, he really
just scooped us up young.
1158
01:04:55,065 --> 01:04:56,631
Before we could really
get deep into it,
1159
01:04:56,762 --> 01:04:58,590
we was on stage and on tour.
1160
01:05:00,897 --> 01:05:02,507
Traveling, seeing the world,
you know?
1161
01:05:02,637 --> 01:05:04,204
We in Detroit on the way
on another mission.
1162
01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:05,989
Lil'
You know what I mean?
1163
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:07,338
It's something we never thought
we would be doing.
1164
01:05:07,468 --> 01:05:08,730
Big did that for us.
1165
01:05:08,861 --> 01:05:10,123
-What up, dawg?
-What up nigga?
1166
01:05:10,254 --> 01:05:11,951
Nothing.
1167
01:05:12,082 --> 01:05:13,561
1421 is Cease.
1168
01:05:13,692 --> 01:05:15,520
Lil' Cease.
1169
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:16,477
Let poppa do his thing.
1170
01:05:16,608 --> 01:05:18,044
Come on, man.
1171
01:05:18,175 --> 01:05:19,306
Niggas is all waiting for you.
1172
01:05:19,437 --> 01:05:21,091
They're downstairs.All right.
1173
01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:22,831
Lil'
It wasn't about talent.
1174
01:05:22,962 --> 01:05:24,572
That was just people
that he cared about and loved,
1175
01:05:24,703 --> 01:05:27,010
and he wanted to see them on top
and living a positive life.
1176
01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:28,750
Let him get pretty.
He ain't get pretty in awhile.
1177
01:05:28,881 --> 01:05:30,274
Let him do his thing.
Let him do his thing.
1178
01:05:30,404 --> 01:05:32,667
You just look --
There you go.
1179
01:05:32,798 --> 01:05:34,365
Let it last you, baby.
That's all you gettin'.
1180
01:05:34,495 --> 01:05:35,975
After that, you cut off.
1181
01:05:36,106 --> 01:05:37,063
He was like,
"I'm gonna write you some raps.
1182
01:05:37,194 --> 01:05:38,717
You gonna be a superstar."
1183
01:05:38,847 --> 01:05:41,067
And I was like, "Okay.
I'm down. I-I'm with it."
1184
01:05:46,551 --> 01:05:48,640
Mister
He kind of made Cease
1185
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:51,425
the first point person
of Junior M.A.F.I.A.,
1186
01:05:51,556 --> 01:05:53,645
and then Kim came in after that.
1187
01:06:05,004 --> 01:06:06,701
Then the next thing you know,
song was coming up.
1188
01:06:06,832 --> 01:06:08,094
History was being made.
1189
01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:15,667
Junior M.A.F.I.A., baby!
1190
01:06:15,797 --> 01:06:18,844
All you motherfuckas'
are keeping it real.
1191
01:06:22,717 --> 01:06:24,981
Me and Biggie,
that's our family right there.
1192
01:06:25,111 --> 01:06:26,460
We'll never turn against
each other.
1193
01:06:26,591 --> 01:06:28,201
We've been closer than friends.
1194
01:06:28,332 --> 01:06:29,420
We always gonna be closer
than friends.
1195
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:30,812
I'm like the little sister.
1196
01:06:30,943 --> 01:06:32,727
He gonna make sure
I'm all right,
1197
01:06:32,858 --> 01:06:34,903
you know what I mean,
and look after me like that.
1198
01:06:38,168 --> 01:06:39,343
Lil'
Kim and Big's relationship
1199
01:06:39,473 --> 01:06:40,953
started from the neighborhood,
you know?
1200
01:06:41,084 --> 01:06:42,476
Kim grew up
where we grew up from.
1201
01:06:42,607 --> 01:06:44,304
She's from St. James,
just like we was from.
1202
01:06:44,435 --> 01:06:46,437
And one day, my sister's like,
"You know Kim rap, right?"
1203
01:06:46,567 --> 01:06:49,266
I was like, "She rap?
Get out of here. No, she don't."
1204
01:06:49,396 --> 01:06:51,181
And I said, "Well, I'm gonna go.
I'ma tell Big."
1205
01:06:51,311 --> 01:06:54,271
And I told Big one day,
Big was like, "What?
1206
01:06:54,401 --> 01:06:56,099
Pretty little Kim, she rap?
1207
01:06:56,229 --> 01:06:58,057
Tell her come down here.
Let me hear her rap one day."
1208
01:07:03,715 --> 01:07:06,718
I remember when Big was first
working with Kim,
1209
01:07:06,848 --> 01:07:11,853
Kim was straight, raw,
hardcore rap.
1210
01:07:17,337 --> 01:07:21,733
And Big had to change her up
to where,
1211
01:07:21,863 --> 01:07:24,910
"Okay, I want you to be hard,
but I need the sexiness, too."
1212
01:07:35,921 --> 01:07:38,706
So he basically got her to start
rhyming about sex appeal,
1213
01:07:38,837 --> 01:07:40,795
about being a-a bad girl
out here,
1214
01:07:40,926 --> 01:07:42,623
being the -- being
the baddest one out here.
1215
01:08:16,266 --> 01:08:18,485
-Nigga Nino, what's up, bro?
-What up?
1216
01:08:18,616 --> 01:08:20,008
Lil' He came and changed
all our lives
1217
01:08:20,139 --> 01:08:21,445
the same way he changed his.
1218
01:08:21,575 --> 01:08:23,229
That's just who he was.
1219
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:24,883
You know, he didn't have to do
what he did for us.
1220
01:08:25,013 --> 01:08:26,493
It's Lil' Sleaze.
1221
01:08:32,064 --> 01:08:35,023
You don't find that type of
loyalty and generosity
1222
01:08:35,154 --> 01:08:36,329
in people today.
1223
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:39,593
So, that was love.
1224
01:08:39,724 --> 01:08:41,029
Oh.
1225
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,814
Uh-oh.
1226
01:08:42,944 --> 01:08:44,772
Feet out.
Ooh. Oh, the feet out.
1227
01:08:51,649 --> 01:08:54,391
The more money you make,
the more problems you get,
1228
01:08:54,521 --> 01:08:56,436
and jealousy and envy
1229
01:08:56,567 --> 01:08:59,483
is -- is something that comes
with the territory, man.
1230
01:08:59,613 --> 01:09:00,875
A lot of people --
It's just negative energy
1231
01:09:01,006 --> 01:09:02,573
like my man Puff say.
1232
01:09:02,703 --> 01:09:04,705
It just surrounds you
1233
01:09:04,836 --> 01:09:06,098
and makes you depressed,
you know,
1234
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:08,405
so I got to rap about it.
1235
01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,058
And that's one of the bad things
about the game
1236
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:12,365
is when you get large,
1237
01:09:12,496 --> 01:09:14,280
even your friends
will turn against you, man.
1238
01:09:25,204 --> 01:09:28,251
Quad Studios.
1239
01:09:28,381 --> 01:09:31,036
We haven't been up in here
in like, what, two decades?
1240
01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:32,907
Shit, there about.
1241
01:09:33,038 --> 01:09:35,475
I get the old feel of --
of when we recorded here.
1242
01:09:35,606 --> 01:09:37,564
You know what I'm sayin'?
Like, those memories come back.
1243
01:09:37,695 --> 01:09:39,131
Like, I always think about
Junior M.A.F.I.A.'s
1244
01:09:39,262 --> 01:09:41,481
first session ever
any time I come in Quad.
1245
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:44,310
Oh shit.
The bitch burned me!
1246
01:09:44,441 --> 01:09:46,269
I should kill her, dawg!
1247
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,272
When we came in here,
it was straight playtime.
1248
01:09:49,402 --> 01:09:50,969
Like, we brung all our homeboys
from the block.
1249
01:09:51,099 --> 01:09:52,666
It was like a playhouse.
1250
01:10:03,286 --> 01:10:04,548
Lil'
We was on the eighth floor,
1251
01:10:04,678 --> 01:10:06,376
and, um, me and Nino
just went outside
1252
01:10:06,506 --> 01:10:08,856
to go smoke real quick
and just, you know, kick it.
1253
01:10:08,987 --> 01:10:11,598
This was the spot right here.
1254
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:13,687
We used to come
and blow it down right here.
1255
01:10:13,818 --> 01:10:16,473
Looks scary now, though.
1256
01:10:16,603 --> 01:10:18,039
I happen to look over,
1257
01:10:18,170 --> 01:10:19,867
and I seen Pac
walking up the block.
1258
01:10:19,998 --> 01:10:22,870
And I just start yelling down
at him, like, "Yo! It's Cease!"
1259
01:10:23,001 --> 01:10:25,308
He's like,
"Cease? What's up?"
1260
01:10:25,438 --> 01:10:27,266
I'm like, "Yo, we in the studio.
Come around the corner.
1261
01:10:27,397 --> 01:10:28,746
I'ma come downstairs
and get you."
1262
01:10:28,876 --> 01:10:30,095
And that's how I went.
I walked back --
1263
01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:31,357
I came back in the room,
and I told Big.
1264
01:10:31,488 --> 01:10:33,098
I'm like,
"Yo, Big, Pac downstairs."
1265
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:34,795
He like, "Yo, go downstairs
and get him."
1266
01:10:34,926 --> 01:10:38,190
We was excited.
We thinkin' we about
to go kick it.
1267
01:10:38,321 --> 01:10:40,627
You know, he had some Cali weed.
All of a sudden, I hear a noise.
1268
01:10:46,503 --> 01:10:47,852
And before we could walk out,
1269
01:10:47,982 --> 01:10:50,028
one of the dudes
came from the corner
1270
01:10:50,158 --> 01:10:52,596
just pointing a gun at us, told
us to get back in the elevator.
1271
01:10:52,726 --> 01:10:53,945
Me and Nino stepped
right back in here.
1272
01:10:54,075 --> 01:10:55,468
And once we were back
in the elevator,
1273
01:10:55,599 --> 01:10:57,688
me and him was just
still looking shocked.
1274
01:10:57,818 --> 01:10:59,124
You know what I mean?
Just like, "Yo."We were looking at each other.
1275
01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:00,908
"Like, is that
really happening right now?"
1276
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,128
Like, the only thing we could
do was go upstairs and tell Big.
1277
01:11:03,259 --> 01:11:04,564
Like, you know what I mean?
We was kids.
1278
01:11:04,695 --> 01:11:06,740
"Yo, Big, Pac downstairs
getting robbed right now."
1279
01:11:06,871 --> 01:11:09,090
Big was like, "Y'all lying."
I'm like, "No, we dead serious."
1280
01:11:09,221 --> 01:11:11,049
And he saw it
in our face, like --
1281
01:11:11,179 --> 01:11:13,138
The first thing he did was
to make sure we was all right.
1282
01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:14,966
"Don't come downstairs.
Y'all stay right here.
1283
01:11:15,096 --> 01:11:16,663
I'll be right back."
1284
01:11:16,794 --> 01:11:18,578
When he ain't come right back,
we came downstairs.
1285
01:11:20,972 --> 01:11:23,670
Lil' All the police
had all this locked up
1286
01:11:23,801 --> 01:11:25,455
and every time you came down,
they will line you up,
1287
01:11:25,585 --> 01:11:27,805
tell you you couldn't leave,
get all your information.
1288
01:11:27,935 --> 01:11:29,850
They want your I.D.
and everything.
1289
01:11:29,981 --> 01:11:34,377
They brung him out
on the elevator right past us.
1290
01:11:34,507 --> 01:11:37,945
He come out, look around,
stuck up the middle finger,
1291
01:11:38,076 --> 01:11:39,947
they put him
in the ambulance.
1292
01:11:40,078 --> 01:11:41,949
And we was just curious, like,
what's that supposed to mean?
1293
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,734
Like, was that
middle finger to us?
1294
01:11:46,171 --> 01:11:48,129
From Tupac's perspective,
he said
1295
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:50,044
nobody would look him
in the eye,
1296
01:11:50,175 --> 01:11:53,091
and that the people that were
upstairs must have known
1297
01:11:53,221 --> 01:11:55,441
that he was gonna be
ambushed and robbed.
1298
01:11:55,572 --> 01:11:59,793
And so he basically accused
all the people in that room
1299
01:11:59,924 --> 01:12:01,752
of being part of the conspiracy.
1300
01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,894
Pac said some
very provocative things
1301
01:12:57,024 --> 01:12:59,636
in the Kevin Powell interview
for Vibe
1302
01:12:59,766 --> 01:13:01,855
about Puffy, about Big.
1303
01:13:01,986 --> 01:13:04,641
You know, Big should have known
that he was getting set up,
1304
01:13:04,771 --> 01:13:08,253
and he didn't warn him.
1305
01:13:08,384 --> 01:13:10,473
The Tupac article
have me off.
1306
01:13:10,603 --> 01:13:11,735
You know what I'm sayin'?
1307
01:13:11,865 --> 01:13:14,433
And the rumors
that's spreadin'
1308
01:13:14,564 --> 01:13:16,783
is all some tip
like we set him up.
1309
01:13:16,914 --> 01:13:20,004
You know what I'm sayin'?
And that's crazy.
1310
01:13:20,134 --> 01:13:21,875
That's just ridiculous.
You know what I'm sayin'?
1311
01:13:22,006 --> 01:13:25,270
But I also understand that if
you was to get shot five times,
1312
01:13:25,401 --> 01:13:26,663
your mind is just
completely spinnin'.
1313
01:13:26,793 --> 01:13:27,968
You know what I'm sayin'?
1314
01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:29,883
You're real confused
about your situation.
1315
01:13:30,014 --> 01:13:33,104
So it'll cause you to say things
that you really don't mean.
1316
01:13:33,234 --> 01:13:35,802
He was really hurt,
and, in a way,
1317
01:13:35,933 --> 01:13:38,936
really looking forward to being
able to connect with him
1318
01:13:39,066 --> 01:13:42,287
and sort it out before
it all got way too deep.
1319
01:13:42,418 --> 01:13:45,203
Once Suge Knight got involved,
1320
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:47,335
once Death Row got involved,
1321
01:13:47,466 --> 01:13:49,816
then it became
a completely other thing.
1322
01:13:49,947 --> 01:13:51,775
It became a war.
1323
01:13:58,216 --> 01:14:00,436
It's a funny thing.
1324
01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:05,005
I kind of realized
how powerful Tupac and I was.
1325
01:14:05,136 --> 01:14:06,746
You know what I'm sayin'?
1326
01:14:06,877 --> 01:14:09,967
Because we two
individual people.
1327
01:14:10,097 --> 01:14:13,666
We waged a coastal beef.
1328
01:14:13,797 --> 01:14:14,798
You know what I'm sayin'?
1329
01:14:14,928 --> 01:14:16,800
One man against one man
1330
01:14:16,930 --> 01:14:19,716
made a whole West Coast
hate a whole East Coast
1331
01:14:19,846 --> 01:14:21,587
and vice versa.
You know what I'm sayin'?
1332
01:14:21,718 --> 01:14:25,156
And that really bugged me out.
Like yo, Duke don't like me,
1333
01:14:25,286 --> 01:14:27,463
so this whole coast
don't like me.
1334
01:14:27,593 --> 01:14:28,725
You know what I'm sayin'?Right.
1335
01:14:28,855 --> 01:14:30,814
It was sad, man.
1336
01:14:30,944 --> 01:14:34,034
To see all of that unfold
with Pac and Big,
1337
01:14:34,165 --> 01:14:36,123
I was -- I was sad.
It just --
1338
01:14:36,254 --> 01:14:38,517
It devastated me because I knew
how much Big really loved Pac.
1339
01:14:38,648 --> 01:14:41,999
I really feel
that it was outside sources
1340
01:14:42,129 --> 01:14:43,783
that decimated
that relationship.
1341
01:14:46,177 --> 01:14:48,396
Once Suge Knight got involved,
1342
01:14:48,527 --> 01:14:50,529
once Death Row got involved,
1343
01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:53,837
then it became
a completely other thing.
1344
01:14:53,967 --> 01:14:56,796
There was blood spilled
and threats made,
1345
01:14:56,927 --> 01:15:00,670
and a lot of that really started
at the Source Awards.
1346
01:15:08,373 --> 01:15:10,723
Yeah. Straight up
Brooklyn in the house!
1347
01:15:10,854 --> 01:15:12,290
Representin'!
1348
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:16,816
Death Row rolled in deep.
1349
01:15:16,947 --> 01:15:20,080
I mean, they -- they flew in
planes of people.
1350
01:15:20,211 --> 01:15:22,169
Uh-oh. We gonna have
some trouble, here.
1351
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:23,867
The DRE.
1352
01:15:23,997 --> 01:15:26,696
Dr. Dre!
1353
01:15:26,826 --> 01:15:29,568
Some of them
are dressed Blood wise,
1354
01:15:29,699 --> 01:15:31,614
some of them
also have a Crip persona.
1355
01:15:31,744 --> 01:15:34,094
And they come to New York,
they're getting boos
1356
01:15:34,225 --> 01:15:35,966
when they're coming up
for some of the awards.
1357
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:39,099
-What?
-Wait, wait, wait.
1358
01:15:39,230 --> 01:15:41,188
The East Coast don't love
Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg?!
1359
01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:42,755
And Death Row?!
1360
01:15:42,886 --> 01:15:45,628
We know y'all East Coast.
We know...we at.
1361
01:15:48,326 --> 01:15:50,415
And then Suge set it off
1362
01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:52,025
because when Suge
comes out on stage,
1363
01:15:52,156 --> 01:15:55,246
he makes a direct diss at Puffy.
1364
01:15:57,204 --> 01:15:59,293
I'd like to tell Tupac
keep his guards up.
1365
01:15:59,424 --> 01:16:01,774
We ride with him.
1366
01:16:01,905 --> 01:16:03,776
And one other thing
I'd like to say --
1367
01:16:03,907 --> 01:16:05,691
Any artist out there
want to be an artist
1368
01:16:05,822 --> 01:16:07,780
and want to stay a star
1369
01:16:07,911 --> 01:16:09,913
and don't want to have to worry
about the executive producer
1370
01:16:10,043 --> 01:16:12,829
tryin' to be all in the videos,
1371
01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:17,224
all on the records, dancin',
come to Death Row!
1372
01:16:22,795 --> 01:16:24,492
That was impressive.
1373
01:16:24,623 --> 01:16:28,845
Get on a microphone on stage
putting down the guy
1374
01:16:28,975 --> 01:16:32,326
with the other big record
company in his own city.
1375
01:16:32,457 --> 01:16:33,937
Everybody went crazy.
1376
01:16:34,067 --> 01:16:35,939
Lil'
Big had 30, 40 Brooklyn people
1377
01:16:36,069 --> 01:16:37,680
at the Source Awards
ready to just like,
1378
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:39,203
"All right, we about to turn
this motherfucka' out.
1379
01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:40,683
This shit about to be over."
1380
01:16:40,813 --> 01:16:42,685
But, you know,
Puffy was like, "Yo, nah,
1381
01:16:42,815 --> 01:16:44,295
that's not the route we go.
1382
01:16:44,425 --> 01:16:45,905
We're not gonna do that.
We gonna be positive."
1383
01:16:46,036 --> 01:16:47,733
I'm the executive producer
1384
01:16:47,864 --> 01:16:50,040
that a comment was made
about a little bit earlier.
1385
01:16:50,170 --> 01:16:52,912
I'm a positive black man,
and I make this music
1386
01:16:53,043 --> 01:16:55,349
to bring us together,
not to separate us.
1387
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:57,961
And all this East and West,
that need to stop.
1388
01:16:58,091 --> 01:17:00,137
We didn't want any part of it.
1389
01:17:00,267 --> 01:17:02,879
You know, we didn't want
what would come
1390
01:17:03,009 --> 01:17:05,185
if we fed into this.
1391
01:17:05,316 --> 01:17:09,059
The Source Awards
escalated a situation
1392
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:10,669
that was already brewing.
1393
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,367
It's like if you have
a-a pot on the stove,
1394
01:17:13,498 --> 01:17:15,065
the fire just went up.
1395
01:17:19,330 --> 01:17:21,985
When Vibeput
East Coast vs. West Coast,
1396
01:17:22,115 --> 01:17:24,596
the whole thing was coined,
and you can choose your side.
1397
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:29,035
Recently, you were
at the Source Awards
1398
01:17:29,166 --> 01:17:32,125
and there was this whole
East Coast-West Coast thing.
1399
01:17:32,256 --> 01:17:34,040
When did this sort of
1400
01:17:34,171 --> 01:17:36,129
East Coast-West Coast
thing sort of start,
1401
01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:39,045
to sort of fractionalize
music?
1402
01:17:39,176 --> 01:17:41,613
The media kept throwing
gasoline on the fire,
1403
01:17:41,744 --> 01:17:44,442
and then had the nerve to sit
back and go, "Why is it so hot?"
1404
01:17:44,572 --> 01:17:46,618
Now, you say it's not
a East Coast-West Coast thing,
1405
01:17:46,749 --> 01:17:49,403
but you can't deny
there's sort of --It's not a problem.
1406
01:17:49,534 --> 01:17:52,406
Do you think the media
has overblown the whole...
1407
01:17:52,537 --> 01:17:54,321
No doubt.
No doubt.
1408
01:17:54,452 --> 01:17:56,628
When it all go down,
don't look at me and Biggie
1409
01:17:56,759 --> 01:17:59,109
and be like, "Why is there a big
East Coast-West Coast war?"
1410
01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:01,154
when you're -- you're shooting
this to 300 countries
1411
01:18:01,285 --> 01:18:02,939
telling 'em about
a East Coast-West Coast war
1412
01:18:03,069 --> 01:18:04,592
that they would never know
exists.
1413
01:18:04,723 --> 01:18:06,769
The whole time, I was like,
"This is not good.
1414
01:18:06,899 --> 01:18:08,161
This is dangerous."
1415
01:18:11,295 --> 01:18:13,645
Dr. To me, they better
kill it right now
1416
01:18:13,776 --> 01:18:16,735
because if it keeps going on,
nobody from the East Coast
1417
01:18:16,866 --> 01:18:19,216
is gonna be able
to come to L.A. and be safe.
1418
01:18:19,346 --> 01:18:21,044
And nobody from the West Coast
is gonna be able
1419
01:18:21,174 --> 01:18:23,002
to come to the East Coast
and be safe.
1420
01:18:23,133 --> 01:18:26,049
It went from being
a great time being on the road,
1421
01:18:26,179 --> 01:18:28,834
Big smoking as much
as he wanted to
1422
01:18:28,965 --> 01:18:31,010
and being with women
and loving it,
1423
01:18:31,141 --> 01:18:34,057
to now you got to watch
your back.
1424
01:18:34,187 --> 01:18:37,147
You know, you don't know
who's with who,
1425
01:18:37,277 --> 01:18:39,236
how it's gonna go down.
1426
01:18:39,366 --> 01:18:41,020
He was getting
some of the hate mail.
1427
01:18:41,151 --> 01:18:43,849
You know, uh, the same people
that liked you in L.A.
1428
01:18:43,980 --> 01:18:46,199
don't like you no more
now 'cause you beefing
with Death Row.
1429
01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:47,984
It was just a lot of stuff now
to where that it was happening.
1430
01:18:48,114 --> 01:18:50,029
You're getting crank calls.
1431
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,510
People calling you, threats
and shit, things like that.
1432
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,992
Every day, it's real.
1433
01:18:56,122 --> 01:18:57,428
That's how real it is.
1434
01:18:57,558 --> 01:18:59,038
I think somebody's
trying to kill me.
1435
01:18:59,169 --> 01:19:02,172
I be waking up paranoid,
I be really scared.
1436
01:19:02,302 --> 01:19:04,478
I just be paranoid.
1437
01:19:04,609 --> 01:19:07,786
That's just the way I am.
1438
01:19:07,917 --> 01:19:12,312
You know. You be seeing me.
Scared to death.
1439
01:20:05,061 --> 01:20:07,628
We should have waited
a little longer to get married.
1440
01:20:07,759 --> 01:20:10,370
I mean, you know,
it was difficult.
1441
01:20:10,501 --> 01:20:12,242
Looking back,
I would certainly have said
1442
01:20:12,372 --> 01:20:17,377
just wait a little while
and get to know one another.
1443
01:20:17,508 --> 01:20:20,816
Wow.
1444
01:20:20,946 --> 01:20:22,774
This is very nice.
1445
01:20:22,905 --> 01:20:24,907
Very nice.
1446
01:20:25,037 --> 01:20:26,343
Look what they've done.
1447
01:20:26,473 --> 01:20:29,433
It looks a lot more...
1448
01:20:29,563 --> 01:20:31,043
like a home.
Livable.
1449
01:20:31,174 --> 01:20:34,090
Right.
It's a lot more cozy.
1450
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:36,832
It was very open
and kind of cold.
1451
01:20:36,962 --> 01:20:38,746
Like, you know, it was --
it wasn't -- I didn't --
1452
01:20:38,877 --> 01:20:41,445
First of all, I never fully
furnished the place, though.
1453
01:20:41,575 --> 01:20:43,839
Soon as y'all moved here,
Big went on tour.
1454
01:20:43,969 --> 01:20:45,144
Right.
1455
01:20:45,275 --> 01:20:46,493
I was just like,
"I ain't about
1456
01:20:46,624 --> 01:20:48,844
to put all my time
into this.
1457
01:20:48,974 --> 01:20:52,151
He's not even
coming home anymore."
1458
01:20:54,545 --> 01:20:56,721
"Why am I here?"
1459
01:20:56,852 --> 01:21:00,681
I remember you paging me,
and I called you.
1460
01:21:00,812 --> 01:21:03,467
We were in the airport,
and you was crying.
1461
01:21:03,597 --> 01:21:04,816
And I was like,
"What is the matter?"
1462
01:21:04,947 --> 01:21:07,732
You was like,
"Big cut up all my clothes."
1463
01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:09,647
And I'm like, "Big,
why did you do that?"
1464
01:21:09,777 --> 01:21:13,129
"Well, ask her why did she throw
all my clothes out the window?"
1465
01:21:13,259 --> 01:21:14,565
And that was when we went
to Europe,
1466
01:21:14,695 --> 01:21:17,481
and then when we came back,
you had a gun.
1467
01:21:20,397 --> 01:21:23,617
And you was downstairs,
and you must've shot at Big.
1468
01:21:23,748 --> 01:21:25,924
Oh, my God.
1469
01:21:26,055 --> 01:21:27,317
And that was --
1470
01:21:27,447 --> 01:21:29,580
that was my last memory
in this house.
1471
01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:34,411
And you put the gun
in the garbage can.
1472
01:21:34,541 --> 01:21:36,674
Yeah, I remember that.
1473
01:21:36,804 --> 01:21:39,285
How long did I even last
in this apartment?
1474
01:21:39,416 --> 01:21:41,722
Probably about six months.
1475
01:21:41,853 --> 01:21:43,899
I know it wasn't a year.
1476
01:21:44,029 --> 01:21:46,118
Now, the crazy thing is,
when you moved out,
1477
01:21:46,249 --> 01:21:47,511
I don't remember
you moving.
1478
01:21:47,641 --> 01:21:49,034
I just remember
you taking your clothes.
1479
01:21:49,165 --> 01:21:51,167
I didn't. I left --
I left everything.
1480
01:21:51,297 --> 01:21:52,820
Remember? I left...Flowers-You just took
your clothes.
1481
01:21:52,951 --> 01:21:54,257
...all the furniture...And your shoes.
1482
01:21:54,387 --> 01:21:56,737
...all of his stuff,
and I took my stuff
1483
01:21:56,868 --> 01:21:59,262
in my hockey bags.
1484
01:21:59,392 --> 01:22:01,481
I moved out
of our apartment in Brooklyn
1485
01:22:01,612 --> 01:22:06,051
because of just kind of him
not being there as much.
1486
01:22:06,182 --> 01:22:07,705
So I kind of just, like,
moved out,
1487
01:22:07,835 --> 01:22:09,228
doing my rebellious thing.
1488
01:22:09,359 --> 01:22:10,838
Like, "Okay, well, if you
don't want to come home,
1489
01:22:10,969 --> 01:22:13,406
then I'm out of here."
1490
01:22:13,537 --> 01:22:16,018
It wasn't until that that
I actually found out about Kim.
1491
01:22:16,148 --> 01:22:18,020
Let me just ask you finally
1492
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:19,673
just about your relationship
with Biggie
1493
01:22:19,804 --> 01:22:21,719
in light of what you say
about Faith on the record.
1494
01:22:21,849 --> 01:22:23,547
What's the relationship like
right now?
1495
01:22:23,677 --> 01:22:26,028
Me and Biggie, we got
a lot of love for each other.
1496
01:22:26,158 --> 01:22:27,551
You know what I mean?
1497
01:22:27,681 --> 01:22:30,032
When you see us,
there's a closeness there.
1498
01:22:30,162 --> 01:22:32,643
Kim was on the radio,
and she mentioned something
1499
01:22:32,773 --> 01:22:35,559
about Biggie and Faith,
and we broke up.
1500
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:37,517
And I'm, like,
"That's very strange.
1501
01:22:37,648 --> 01:22:39,302
Like, why would she
be saying anything?"
1502
01:22:48,876 --> 01:22:50,878
And I just probably felt
that whole feeling
1503
01:22:51,009 --> 01:22:52,706
of like, uh, duh.
1504
01:22:52,837 --> 01:22:55,753
Like Lucy?
1505
01:22:55,883 --> 01:22:57,276
You know what I mean?
1506
01:22:57,407 --> 01:22:59,757
So I kind of just in my spirit
realized it,
1507
01:22:59,887 --> 01:23:04,849
like, "Ooh, he's fuckin' her."
Like, "Oh shit!"
1508
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:06,894
Who influenced
your rap style?
1509
01:23:07,025 --> 01:23:09,462
Biggie. That's my mentor,
my best friend, my love.
1510
01:23:09,593 --> 01:23:12,726
I love him. That's my baby.
He's all of that.
1511
01:23:12,857 --> 01:23:14,424
Lil'
She was an attractive chick,
1512
01:23:14,554 --> 01:23:16,295
and, you know,
he was the boss man.
1513
01:23:16,426 --> 01:23:19,211
So, you know, sometimes certain
things would just happen.
1514
01:23:19,342 --> 01:23:21,518
And I think just us being on the
road and us working together,
1515
01:23:21,648 --> 01:23:24,173
he got a chance
to see another side of Kim.
1516
01:23:24,303 --> 01:23:26,566
Mister The only thing
that I said to Big is,
1517
01:23:26,697 --> 01:23:30,005
"You really shouldn't have
never messed with your artist."
1518
01:23:30,135 --> 01:23:32,616
And Big was like,
"Well, it's done now, Cee."
1519
01:23:32,746 --> 01:23:36,402
I felt like as much as Big felt
that he had it under control,
1520
01:23:36,533 --> 01:23:38,448
he didn't have it under control.
1521
01:23:38,578 --> 01:23:43,322
Big was really in love
with two women at the same time.
1522
01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:46,108
I wouldn't say it was an ever "I
hate you" relationship, though.
1523
01:23:46,238 --> 01:23:47,718
It definitely wasn't.
1524
01:23:47,848 --> 01:23:50,025
Even in the worst times
of me finding out,
1525
01:23:50,155 --> 01:23:52,462
for example, even that him
and Kim were involved,
1526
01:23:52,592 --> 01:23:55,378
because even in those moments,
you know, he was honest.
1527
01:23:55,508 --> 01:23:56,901
But I knew in my mind
1528
01:23:57,032 --> 01:23:58,946
that things were different,
like, after that.
1529
01:23:59,077 --> 01:24:01,166
I totally felt like, "Okay,
1530
01:24:01,297 --> 01:24:03,299
I'm not really feeling this
no more."
1531
01:24:05,692 --> 01:24:09,174
Make some noise!
1532
01:24:12,090 --> 01:24:14,049
Shortly thereafter,
Puff put together
1533
01:24:14,179 --> 01:24:16,225
this big Bad Boy tour.
1534
01:24:16,355 --> 01:24:18,531
So when they reached out to me
about doing the tour,
1535
01:24:18,662 --> 01:24:20,925
I think I already knew in
my mind I didn't want to do it.
1536
01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:23,275
I'm not about to be fighting,
1537
01:24:23,406 --> 01:24:25,103
and my husband
and his mistress on it.
1538
01:24:25,234 --> 01:24:26,496
You know what I mean?
I'm like, unh-unh.
1539
01:24:26,626 --> 01:24:28,019
I'm not going through that.
1540
01:24:28,150 --> 01:24:29,586
So I decided not to do it.
1541
01:24:29,716 --> 01:24:31,631
And I got a opportunity
to come to L.A.
1542
01:24:31,762 --> 01:24:35,287
to write for a producer
and his new group.
1543
01:24:35,418 --> 01:24:36,941
And we all went out one night,
1544
01:24:37,072 --> 01:24:40,031
and that night
is the night I met Tupac.
1545
01:24:40,162 --> 01:24:43,034
Tupac said, "Oh, my God.
Nice to meet you.
I love your music."
1546
01:24:43,165 --> 01:24:45,558
And, um, I think probably
a photographer
1547
01:24:45,689 --> 01:24:46,864
wanted to take some pictures.
1548
01:24:46,994 --> 01:24:48,605
And then by the end
of the night,
1549
01:24:48,735 --> 01:24:50,563
he said he wanted to do
a song with me.
1550
01:24:50,694 --> 01:24:53,349
And I gave him my manager's
info, and, you know,
1551
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,874
we hooked up the session,
and I went to the studio.
1552
01:24:57,004 --> 01:24:59,703
Probably from some
other people's view,
it looked a little...
1553
01:24:59,833 --> 01:25:01,618
But I was looking at it
like it was,
1554
01:25:01,748 --> 01:25:04,142
"I'm about to get
this $20,000, $30,000
1555
01:25:04,273 --> 01:25:07,189
for singing a hook, and nobody
told me 'Don't do it.'"
1556
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:09,321
I just didn't know
all the other dynamics
1557
01:25:09,452 --> 01:25:11,845
of that particular situation.
1558
01:25:11,976 --> 01:25:14,892
Faith didn't really understand
that this was going on,
1559
01:25:15,022 --> 01:25:17,242
but Tupac was really
finding a way
1560
01:25:17,373 --> 01:25:20,854
to attack Big
in this new, dastardly way.
1561
01:25:23,988 --> 01:25:26,295
Been about 10 hours
to get that part with Faith.
1562
01:25:26,425 --> 01:25:27,992
-Oh, yeah.
-Why it took so long?
1563
01:25:28,123 --> 01:25:29,472
It took awhile man,
'cause, you know,
1564
01:25:29,602 --> 01:25:31,343
once you got that much love
in the studio...
1565
01:25:31,474 --> 01:25:33,302
Yeah....hey, it take a while
to get it down on wax.
1566
01:25:33,432 --> 01:25:35,260
-Oh, that's what it was?
-For me and her, it took awhile.
1567
01:25:35,391 --> 01:25:37,828
Faith my homegirl. I just want
to send a shout-out to Faith.
1568
01:25:37,958 --> 01:25:39,960
Hey, girl.
1569
01:25:40,091 --> 01:25:41,788
Faith and Bad Boy Records.
1570
01:25:41,919 --> 01:25:43,877
Pac is making a lot
of tongue-in-cheek references
1571
01:25:44,008 --> 01:25:47,707
to Faith, and, um,
it just all kind of built up.
1572
01:25:47,838 --> 01:25:50,667
And then later, he would say
that they slept together,
1573
01:25:50,797 --> 01:25:53,322
which obviously caused
a lot of problems
1574
01:25:53,452 --> 01:25:56,368
not only in Big and Faith's
marriage,
1575
01:25:56,499 --> 01:26:01,460
but nationally amongst
the hip-hop faithful.
1576
01:26:01,591 --> 01:26:03,897
When Tupac releases "Hit 'Em Up"
and that hits the streets,
1577
01:26:04,028 --> 01:26:05,725
everybody's talking about it
1578
01:26:05,856 --> 01:26:09,076
because of the fact that Pac,
in no uncertain terms,
1579
01:26:09,207 --> 01:26:11,644
said that he had sex with Faith
1580
01:26:11,775 --> 01:26:16,214
and went entirely
at Big's persona,
1581
01:26:16,345 --> 01:26:18,477
questioning his integrity
as an artist,
1582
01:26:18,608 --> 01:26:20,218
questioning his integrity
as a man,
1583
01:26:20,349 --> 01:26:22,612
going directly against
their friendship.
1584
01:26:22,742 --> 01:26:26,442
I mean, it was just one
of the harshest rebukes
1585
01:26:26,572 --> 01:26:29,923
in the history of hip-hop.
1586
01:26:30,054 --> 01:26:32,578
MoneyPuff like,
"Yo, you got to hear this."
1587
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:35,407
And we all went to the parking
lot, and he put it in.
1588
01:26:35,538 --> 01:26:37,017
And the first thing he said is,
1589
01:26:37,148 --> 01:26:38,889
"That's why I fucked
your bitch."
1590
01:26:39,019 --> 01:26:41,631
And that shit was like, whoa.
And Big's just listening,
1591
01:26:41,761 --> 01:26:43,763
but Big was just like
slumped in his seat like...
1592
01:26:46,984 --> 01:26:49,769
He came to my hotel,
and he was really upset.
1593
01:26:49,900 --> 01:26:51,249
I mean, I could tell
by the knock
1594
01:26:51,380 --> 01:26:53,208
he was angry, like...
1595
01:26:53,338 --> 01:26:55,514
And as soon as he walked in,
I just saw him,
1596
01:26:55,645 --> 01:26:57,864
and he grabbed me
and put me in the bathroom
1597
01:26:57,995 --> 01:26:59,257
and put me
against the wall like,
1598
01:26:59,388 --> 01:27:00,998
"What the fuck?
You're messing with him?"
1599
01:27:01,128 --> 01:27:02,304
I'm like, "What are you
talking about?
1600
01:27:02,434 --> 01:27:04,784
Like, no!
That's not what happened."
1601
01:27:04,915 --> 01:27:08,397
They was really going hard.
Like, it really bugged us out
1602
01:27:08,527 --> 01:27:09,833
'cause it was like, wow,
like, what we gonna do?
1603
01:27:09,963 --> 01:27:11,922
I mean, at that time,
we was hyped up.
1604
01:27:12,052 --> 01:27:14,359
M.A.F.I.A. wanted to do a song.
1605
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:16,100
You know,
Kim wanted to do a song.
1606
01:27:16,231 --> 01:27:19,625
Even I was like,
"Yo. Let's go."
1607
01:27:19,756 --> 01:27:22,106
Do something.
1608
01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:24,369
Lil'
Big was like, "Yo, if anyone
of y'all do a response record,
1609
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:25,849
I'm not messin' with you
no more.
1610
01:27:25,979 --> 01:27:27,894
Do not do that.
That's not what we do."
1611
01:27:28,025 --> 01:27:30,984
He was like, "Nah, I know
where this is going.
1612
01:27:31,115 --> 01:27:32,464
Not gonna feed into that energy.
1613
01:27:32,595 --> 01:27:34,074
That's not the sort of energy
that I want.
1614
01:27:34,205 --> 01:27:35,598
I want it different."
1615
01:27:35,728 --> 01:27:38,035
So, like, he saw
something else for himself.
1616
01:28:14,376 --> 01:28:15,420
Right.
1617
01:28:24,516 --> 01:28:26,170
What up, what up, what up,
what up, what up, what up,
1618
01:28:26,301 --> 01:28:27,606
what up, what up, what up?MoneyWe was out in L.A.
1619
01:28:27,737 --> 01:28:30,217
for the Soul Train Awards
in '96.
1620
01:28:30,348 --> 01:28:33,046
After the show, we came out
to the parking lot
1621
01:28:33,177 --> 01:28:35,222
and then, like, right in
the front of us in our path,
1622
01:28:35,353 --> 01:28:37,573
somebody comes out the window,
and it's Tupac,
1623
01:28:37,703 --> 01:28:40,619
and he's just, like, rippin',
talkin' crazy, reckless.
1624
01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:43,579
"Yeah, motherfucker y'all on
the west side, the best side."
1625
01:28:43,709 --> 01:28:45,842
And we all like, "Oh shit
What the fuck?"
1626
01:28:45,972 --> 01:28:47,365
Lil'
Pac jumped out the window.
1627
01:28:47,496 --> 01:28:49,106
Suge jumped out,
and they claimed, you know,
1628
01:28:49,236 --> 01:28:52,022
they wanted to talk to Big
and, you know, all the security.
1629
01:28:52,152 --> 01:28:54,241
The Muslims got in
between everybody.
1630
01:28:54,372 --> 01:28:56,766
So Pac's still rippin'.
He's still going off.
1631
01:28:56,896 --> 01:28:58,550
"Blah, blah, blah,
you motherfuckers.
1632
01:28:58,681 --> 01:29:00,683
Yeah, motherfuckas'
West Side, motherfuckas'"
1633
01:29:00,813 --> 01:29:02,162
Lil'
Big didn't say not one word.
1634
01:29:02,293 --> 01:29:03,729
He just was looking at him like,
1635
01:29:03,860 --> 01:29:04,861
"Come on, you trippin', dawg.
1636
01:29:04,991 --> 01:29:07,211
Like, why you buggin'?"
1637
01:29:07,342 --> 01:29:11,389
Word got back to Don Cornelius
that everybody was outside.
1638
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,086
Don told people,
"Y'all don't cut this out,
1639
01:29:13,217 --> 01:29:14,740
y'all mess up my money,
1640
01:29:14,871 --> 01:29:16,699
it's gonna be a problem
for everybody out here."
1641
01:29:16,829 --> 01:29:18,396
Pac was just like, "Yo,
1642
01:29:18,527 --> 01:29:20,050
I'm just trying to sell
some records, man.
1643
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:21,965
I'm just trying
to sell some records.
1644
01:29:22,095 --> 01:29:23,749
That's it."
1645
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,621
It's just really unfortunate
1646
01:29:25,751 --> 01:29:30,234
that it wasn't a thing
between those two guys.
1647
01:29:30,365 --> 01:29:31,627
It really wasn't.
1648
01:29:31,757 --> 01:29:33,498
It was some outside forces,
1649
01:29:33,629 --> 01:29:35,413
and, you know,
just really unfortunate
1650
01:29:35,544 --> 01:29:38,503
how it -- how it all unraveled.
1651
01:30:06,923 --> 01:30:10,013
Bigs left room open to see
if he could fix things with Pac
1652
01:30:10,143 --> 01:30:11,536
because that was his friend.
1653
01:30:11,667 --> 01:30:13,233
He felt like
if he saw Pac again,
1654
01:30:13,364 --> 01:30:15,758
they could have fixed that
situation and settled it.
1655
01:30:15,888 --> 01:30:17,455
Just so happened
they never got a chance
1656
01:30:17,586 --> 01:30:19,805
to see each other after that.
1657
01:30:29,380 --> 01:30:31,251
Rap artist Tupac Shakur
1658
01:30:31,382 --> 01:30:32,862
is reported in critical
condition this morning
1659
01:30:32,992 --> 01:30:34,516
in a Las Vegas hospital.
1660
01:30:34,646 --> 01:30:35,865
I was watching something on TV,
and I saw it.
1661
01:30:35,995 --> 01:30:37,606
It was like a news flash
or something.
1662
01:30:37,736 --> 01:30:39,303
I called Big, I'm like
"Yo, Big, come down here.
1663
01:30:39,434 --> 01:30:41,174
Yo, come here."
1664
01:30:41,305 --> 01:30:43,568
Rap star Tupac Shakur
died last night
1665
01:30:43,699 --> 01:30:45,570
after a brief life
in a rough business.
1666
01:30:45,701 --> 01:30:47,267
Big just sat there,
was just like,
1667
01:30:47,398 --> 01:30:49,400
watching the screen of the TV
and just quiet
1668
01:30:49,531 --> 01:30:51,184
and just, like, shook his head.
1669
01:30:59,149 --> 01:31:01,804
Fans had held a vigil
outside his Las Vegas hospital.
1670
01:31:01,934 --> 01:31:03,719
He was 25 years old.
1671
01:31:11,422 --> 01:31:13,642
When he died,
I was just like, whoa.
1672
01:31:13,772 --> 01:31:16,209
You know what I'm sayin'?
Kind of took me by --
1673
01:31:16,340 --> 01:31:17,776
I mean, even though we was
going through our drama,
1674
01:31:17,907 --> 01:31:19,648
I would never wish death
on nobody, you know,
1675
01:31:19,778 --> 01:31:21,084
'cause there ain't
no coming back from that.
1676
01:31:44,455 --> 01:31:46,413
I think about him every day.
1677
01:31:49,982 --> 01:31:52,550
I think over the years,
I've noticed
1678
01:31:52,681 --> 01:31:55,292
that I have had more
emotional moments
1679
01:31:55,422 --> 01:31:57,163
in the more recent years
1680
01:31:57,294 --> 01:31:59,818
than back
when we first lost him.
1681
01:32:03,474 --> 01:32:05,781
Typically, my memories of him
1682
01:32:05,911 --> 01:32:07,696
are funny, you know?
1683
01:32:14,616 --> 01:32:16,226
It might be a conversation
1684
01:32:16,356 --> 01:32:19,098
that I may have just had
with Cease or Nino.
1685
01:32:19,229 --> 01:32:21,797
You know, I kind of keep
in touch with all of those guys.
1686
01:32:27,193 --> 01:32:29,326
-Yo, what up, Faith?
-Hey, hey, hey.
1687
01:32:29,456 --> 01:32:32,372
We often talk about
different things about him.
1688
01:32:32,503 --> 01:32:35,071
-Everything was Cease.
1689
01:32:35,201 --> 01:32:37,813
Cease was probably there
when CJ was conceived.
1690
01:32:37,943 --> 01:32:39,684
I think I was.
1691
01:32:39,815 --> 01:32:41,468
Cease just walked out the room.
1692
01:32:41,599 --> 01:32:43,035
That's when I went
to visit him in New Orleans.
1693
01:32:43,166 --> 01:32:44,950
I remember y'all
was in New Orleans.
1694
01:32:45,081 --> 01:32:46,909
-Oh, you remember exactly?
-I remember.
1695
01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:49,433
We were separated.
I had moved out.
1696
01:32:49,564 --> 01:32:51,914
They were on the road,
and I remember y'all had a show,
1697
01:32:52,044 --> 01:32:54,046
and he called me.
1698
01:32:54,177 --> 01:32:57,267
Now -- Now, thinking back, he
was probably beefing with Kim.
1699
01:32:57,397 --> 01:32:58,877
'Cause we weren't --
Me and Big wasn't even
1700
01:32:59,008 --> 01:33:00,618
really seeing each other
like that.
1701
01:33:00,749 --> 01:33:02,577
And he just called me
and was like,
1702
01:33:02,707 --> 01:33:04,709
"I want you to come see me."
It was around Valentine's Day.
1703
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,493
-I was like, oh, you know.
-Okay.
1704
01:33:06,624 --> 01:33:08,017
He told me to come see him
in New Orleans, and I went.
1705
01:33:08,147 --> 01:33:09,671
"Okay, I'm coming."
1706
01:33:09,801 --> 01:33:11,934
And, I mean, I had --
We hadn't been together
1707
01:33:12,064 --> 01:33:13,675
for awhile before that.She still loved him.
1708
01:33:13,805 --> 01:33:17,722
But I know for a fact
that's when CJ was conceived
1709
01:33:17,853 --> 01:33:19,289
'cause we probably
wasn't together
1710
01:33:19,419 --> 01:33:20,899
for awhile after that, either.
1711
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:22,684
Always be like that.
Y'all beefing,
1712
01:33:22,814 --> 01:33:24,337
y'all going through something,
and you create something
1713
01:33:24,468 --> 01:33:25,687
to keep that motherfucka'
in your life forever now.
1714
01:33:25,817 --> 01:33:27,514
Yeah.
1715
01:33:27,645 --> 01:33:28,733
Just when you think
you're about to leave somebody,
1716
01:33:28,864 --> 01:33:30,692
like, y'all done,
y'all good...
1717
01:33:30,822 --> 01:33:32,128
And little did I know,
or I definitely
1718
01:33:32,258 --> 01:33:34,478
wouldn't be making a visit
for that, like...
1719
01:33:38,438 --> 01:33:40,266
The day he was born,
Faith and I said
1720
01:33:40,397 --> 01:33:41,964
we should call him Christopher.
1721
01:33:42,094 --> 01:33:45,228
Okay.
He said he didn't want a Junior.
1722
01:33:45,358 --> 01:33:47,970
So he said, "I like Jordan."
1723
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,841
So I said, "Okay, we'll just
call him Christopher Jordan."
1724
01:33:49,972 --> 01:33:52,757
He said, "Oh, think
I'm gonna call him CJ."
1725
01:33:52,888 --> 01:33:54,106
And that's how it is.
1726
01:33:54,237 --> 01:33:58,502
That day,
all three of us named him.
1727
01:33:58,633 --> 01:34:01,026
And, like,
I never seen him that happy.
1728
01:34:01,157 --> 01:34:03,159
He was so happy.
1729
01:34:03,289 --> 01:34:04,900
And I could close my eyes
right now
1730
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:06,902
and just see him in the room
telling me roll up,
1731
01:34:07,032 --> 01:34:08,686
just -- just happy.
1732
01:34:36,322 --> 01:34:39,848
I think Big, at that moment,
was entering a new chapter.
1733
01:34:39,978 --> 01:34:42,677
New baby.
Not just his biological baby,
1734
01:34:42,807 --> 01:34:44,635
but his second album
was dropping.
1735
01:34:46,898 --> 01:34:49,292
Well, I got the
"Life After Death" double CD
1736
01:34:49,422 --> 01:34:52,121
dropping March 25th,
1737
01:34:52,251 --> 01:34:54,689
and I just -- I just want
my spot back, you know?
1738
01:35:02,609 --> 01:35:04,655
Go, Biggie!
1739
01:35:04,786 --> 01:35:06,222
Lil' Loved it.
1740
01:35:06,352 --> 01:35:07,527
He felt like that was
some of his best work
1741
01:35:07,658 --> 01:35:09,965
'cause he was happy,
he was cool.
1742
01:35:10,095 --> 01:35:12,141
You know, uh, he wasn't
in the same predicament he was
1743
01:35:12,271 --> 01:35:13,751
when he did "Ready To Die."
1744
01:35:13,882 --> 01:35:15,666
That's why he always say
"Ready To Die"
1745
01:35:15,797 --> 01:35:17,799
was from the inside looking out,
1746
01:35:17,929 --> 01:35:21,150
and "Life After Death" was
from the outside looking in.
1747
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,413
Jay-I remember when he was
doing "Life After Death"
1748
01:35:23,543 --> 01:35:26,155
and he sent me four songs
in the demo stage.
1749
01:35:26,285 --> 01:35:30,289
And I was like, "Oh, my God.
Oh, we got a problem."
1750
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:32,727
I-I was happy for him,
and I was upset for myself.
1751
01:35:32,857 --> 01:35:35,599
I was -- I was a little worried
for myself as -- as an artist.
1752
01:35:45,957 --> 01:35:48,917
Jay-As an artist,
he pushed me because, you know,
1753
01:35:49,047 --> 01:35:50,832
we both, like,
wanted to be the best.
1754
01:35:50,962 --> 01:35:52,268
It was, like, healthy.
1755
01:35:52,398 --> 01:35:53,748
You know,
it was like two competitors
1756
01:35:53,878 --> 01:35:55,488
on a court that play basketball
1757
01:35:55,619 --> 01:35:58,665
and then, like,
after the game's over, like, yo,
1758
01:35:58,796 --> 01:36:00,493
let's go to the movies
or something, you know?
1759
01:36:05,281 --> 01:36:06,717
Can't rhyme about being broke
no more.
1760
01:36:06,848 --> 01:36:08,588
I ain't broke.
1761
01:36:10,895 --> 01:36:15,073
He was feeling very, uh,
optimistic about the future.
1762
01:36:15,204 --> 01:36:17,075
Just tryin' to just
keep blowin' up.
1763
01:36:17,206 --> 01:36:18,424
You want
to keep blowing up?
1764
01:36:18,555 --> 01:36:19,948
straight.It's all good.
1765
01:36:20,078 --> 01:36:22,994
He was telling me,
"Yo, after this,
1766
01:36:23,125 --> 01:36:24,866
you know, I drop my album,
we gonna do the commission,
1767
01:36:24,996 --> 01:36:26,693
we gonna do, like,
a group together.
1768
01:36:26,824 --> 01:36:28,913
And we, um -- we gonna get
a big house in Atlanta.
1769
01:36:29,044 --> 01:36:30,480
You move next to me in Atlanta."
1770
01:36:30,610 --> 01:36:32,656
So he was very hopeful
about the future
1771
01:36:32,787 --> 01:36:34,223
and had plans
on where he was going.
1772
01:36:34,353 --> 01:36:35,833
Very clear.
1773
01:36:35,964 --> 01:36:38,618
Very clear what
he was doing, you know?
1774
01:36:49,325 --> 01:36:50,848
I remember when he came to L.A.
1775
01:36:50,979 --> 01:36:53,155
for the trip,
I wasn't sure about it,
1776
01:36:53,285 --> 01:36:55,113
but I wanted
to give peace a chance.
1777
01:36:55,244 --> 01:36:57,289
I wanted to kind of heal wounds.
1778
01:36:57,420 --> 01:36:59,422
We had already lost Tupac.
1779
01:36:59,552 --> 01:37:01,293
And I just came over
tryin' to, like,
1780
01:37:01,424 --> 01:37:03,687
basically squash this
East Coast-West Coast thing.
1781
01:37:23,402 --> 01:37:26,710
I got to be the one to flip it
and take my -- my power
1782
01:37:26,841 --> 01:37:28,886
and flip it like, "Yo,
they got to be dead."
1783
01:37:29,017 --> 01:37:30,192
He was really trying
to go out there
1784
01:37:30,322 --> 01:37:31,802
and let people know like,
"Yo, listen, man,
1785
01:37:31,933 --> 01:37:34,109
it was just something
that was just a East Coast
1786
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,111
or West Coast thing
that the media stirred up."
1787
01:37:36,241 --> 01:37:38,417
Don't feed into it.
1788
01:37:38,548 --> 01:37:40,942
If you feed into it, it's gonna
do nothing but escalate.
1789
01:37:41,072 --> 01:37:42,291
You know what I'm sayin'?
1790
01:37:42,421 --> 01:37:44,032
I just want
to let everybody know
1791
01:37:44,162 --> 01:37:45,947
that all the rumors,
you know what I'm sayin',
1792
01:37:46,077 --> 01:37:47,470
you shouldn't be the one
to sit back
1793
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,037
and listen to rumors.
You know what I'm sayin'?
1794
01:37:49,167 --> 01:37:50,952
Just take -- take a chance
to know the person
1795
01:37:51,082 --> 01:37:52,867
before you judge the person.
1796
01:37:52,997 --> 01:37:56,044
-He was just trying to fix it.
-Try to get the facts first.
1797
01:37:56,174 --> 01:37:59,308
I'm here,
me and my man Caesar Leo,
1798
01:37:59,438 --> 01:38:01,832
we just gonna do
our thing forever.
Forever and ever.
1799
01:38:07,403 --> 01:38:09,927
It sounded like
the right thing to do.
1800
01:38:10,058 --> 01:38:11,973
You know,
in hindsight, you know,
1801
01:38:12,103 --> 01:38:14,932
that -- that's something
that I know
1802
01:38:15,063 --> 01:38:16,760
that we should have
been more careful.
1803
01:38:16,891 --> 01:38:19,154
-Whoo!
-Yo, West Coast is hype, son.
1804
01:38:19,284 --> 01:38:20,633
West Coast is hype!
1805
01:38:20,764 --> 01:38:21,983
I love the West Coast.
1806
01:38:22,113 --> 01:38:24,811
EastCoast is hype!
1807
01:38:24,942 --> 01:38:26,509
Where the East at?
1808
01:38:29,294 --> 01:38:31,166
Lil' We knew where we was
at when we was in L.A.,
1809
01:38:31,296 --> 01:38:32,950
so, you know, at times,
you would get people that would,
1810
01:38:33,081 --> 01:38:35,170
you know, yell "West Side,"
or you know,
1811
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:37,085
throw the symbol up at you
sometime.
1812
01:38:37,215 --> 01:38:38,477
Money
They didn't want us out there.
1813
01:38:38,608 --> 01:38:40,479
They didn't want us out there.
Period.
1814
01:38:40,610 --> 01:38:41,785
Like, you felt it.
1815
01:38:41,916 --> 01:38:44,570
I know there was
1816
01:38:44,701 --> 01:38:48,096
a level of mistrust out there,
1817
01:38:48,226 --> 01:38:51,273
a level of a lot
of negativity out there.
1818
01:38:51,403 --> 01:38:54,058
And I-I would say,
"Please be careful."
1819
01:38:56,539 --> 01:38:58,976
I saw him in the mall.
1820
01:38:59,107 --> 01:39:00,935
There were people
kind of following him
1821
01:39:01,065 --> 01:39:02,719
through the mall
and bothering him.
1822
01:39:02,849 --> 01:39:04,764
But for just some dumbass
reason,
1823
01:39:04,895 --> 01:39:08,507
we just played it too cool
to come and talk to each other.
1824
01:39:08,638 --> 01:39:12,555
And I hate that memory
because we could have talked.
1825
01:39:12,685 --> 01:39:15,950
And I know I wanted
to just tell him, you know,
1826
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,169
probably what a lot of people
was telling him,
1827
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:19,779
was he should go back home
1828
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:22,913
because it's not a good time
to be in L.A.
1829
01:39:23,044 --> 01:39:26,395
fresh off of the war
between these coasts.
1830
01:39:26,525 --> 01:39:28,397
Um, I never got to tell him.
1831
01:39:30,965 --> 01:39:32,357
Lil'
We was hanging out with Puff.
1832
01:39:32,488 --> 01:39:33,924
He was like, "What y'all want
to do from here?"
1833
01:39:34,055 --> 01:39:35,317
This is when we was deciding
if we wanted to go
1834
01:39:35,447 --> 01:39:37,014
to the museum
for the Vibeparty.
1835
01:39:37,145 --> 01:39:38,581
And Big was like, "Yo,
you know what?
1836
01:39:38,711 --> 01:39:40,757
We ain't been out in awhile.
1837
01:39:40,887 --> 01:39:42,802
Maybe we should go there, have
some fun, and go chill out."
1838
01:39:42,933 --> 01:39:45,718
He was like, "You know, we never
hang out anymore," you know.
1839
01:39:45,849 --> 01:39:48,417
And so I said okay.
1840
01:39:51,159 --> 01:39:52,595
It was kind of against
my better judgment,
1841
01:39:52,725 --> 01:39:54,249
but I didn't feel in danger.
1842
01:39:54,379 --> 01:39:56,816
You didn't really think
that going to a party
1843
01:39:56,947 --> 01:39:59,906
for Quincy Jones
in Beverly Hills --
1844
01:40:00,037 --> 01:40:02,344
You -- You would think that
that -- that, you know,
1845
01:40:02,474 --> 01:40:05,390
okay, if we gonna make any move,
that's gonna be a safe move.
1846
01:40:05,521 --> 01:40:07,958
Um, but it wasn't.
1847
01:40:20,014 --> 01:40:21,102
Lil' Big was like, "Yo,
you know what?
1848
01:40:21,232 --> 01:40:23,104
We ain't been out in awhile.
1849
01:40:23,234 --> 01:40:25,845
Maybe we should go to the museum
for the Vibeparty,
1850
01:40:25,976 --> 01:40:27,369
have some fun,
and go chill out."
1851
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:31,895
It was great, man.
It was fun.
1852
01:40:32,026 --> 01:40:34,593
It was one of the best parties
we ever been to, man.
1853
01:40:34,724 --> 01:40:36,813
We just sat there and drunk
a lot of Dom Pérignon,
1854
01:40:36,943 --> 01:40:40,295
and they played "Hypnotized"
about 15, 20 times.
1855
01:40:40,425 --> 01:40:42,123
And every time they played it,
people jumped around,
1856
01:40:42,253 --> 01:40:44,908
they loved it,
and it was just all love.
1857
01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:46,475
You know what I mean?
It was just --
1858
01:40:46,605 --> 01:40:49,608
Everything was just
smooth and cool.
1859
01:40:49,739 --> 01:40:52,002
That night, we felt like
we turned the energy around.
1860
01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:53,525
Like, everybody was in there.
1861
01:40:53,656 --> 01:40:55,745
Everybody started to just relax
1862
01:40:55,875 --> 01:40:57,529
and, you know, you could see,
you know,
1863
01:40:57,660 --> 01:40:58,922
the players from the East Coast
1864
01:40:59,053 --> 01:41:00,706
and the players
from the West Coast,
1865
01:41:00,837 --> 01:41:02,360
male and female,
starting to talk
1866
01:41:02,491 --> 01:41:04,275
and interact with each other.
1867
01:41:04,406 --> 01:41:07,148
You know, we didn't take it
serious enough.
1868
01:41:07,278 --> 01:41:10,673
Um...the only way we could have
took it more serious
1869
01:41:10,803 --> 01:41:12,414
was by living in fear,
1870
01:41:12,544 --> 01:41:14,807
and we were too fearless
and too young
1871
01:41:14,938 --> 01:41:19,029
to live in fear
at that point in time.
1872
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,163
I remember Cease coming over to
where I was at with my friends,
1873
01:41:22,293 --> 01:41:24,034
you know, and they all like,
"He's coming over here.
1874
01:41:24,165 --> 01:41:25,427
Big sent him over here."
You know?
1875
01:41:25,557 --> 01:41:26,732
He's like,
"You good? You good, Faith?
1876
01:41:26,863 --> 01:41:28,299
You know, you need any --
All right.
1877
01:41:28,430 --> 01:41:29,561
You know we over there, right?
You saw Big."
1878
01:41:29,692 --> 01:41:31,172
He was trying to be funny,
though,
1879
01:41:31,302 --> 01:41:32,999
because, you know,
of course he knows I saw him.
1880
01:41:33,130 --> 01:41:35,393
I'm like, "Yeah, I saw Big.
I see him over there."
1881
01:41:35,524 --> 01:41:37,439
But Big and I never, you know,
1882
01:41:37,569 --> 01:41:39,441
directly said anything
to each other.
1883
01:41:39,571 --> 01:41:42,835
We may have kind of looked past
one another a couple of times.
1884
01:41:42,966 --> 01:41:47,536
It was such a crazy
thing we were doing.
1885
01:41:55,152 --> 01:41:56,893
Police was making everybody
clear out,
1886
01:41:57,023 --> 01:41:59,504
saying it was too crowded,
over capacity.
1887
01:41:59,635 --> 01:42:02,333
And, uh, that's when
we started leaving.
1888
01:42:02,464 --> 01:42:03,900
When Big car came,
we all got in the car,
1889
01:42:04,030 --> 01:42:05,728
and we followed Puff.
1890
01:42:05,858 --> 01:42:08,165
And when we first got out
and pulled out at the light,
1891
01:42:08,296 --> 01:42:10,428
Puff caught the light,
and we didn't.
1892
01:42:10,559 --> 01:42:13,736
And we were stopped
at that light.
1893
01:42:13,866 --> 01:42:15,172
The next thing you know...
1894
01:42:15,303 --> 01:42:17,043
...this car pulled up...
1895
01:42:17,174 --> 01:42:18,958
...and just started
firing shots in the car.
1896
01:42:19,089 --> 01:42:21,222
Didn't yell.
Didn't say nothing.
1897
01:42:21,352 --> 01:42:23,398
Just pulled up and just --
We just heard shots.
1898
01:42:23,528 --> 01:42:25,313
-Y'all get down!
-Somebody got shot.
1899
01:42:25,443 --> 01:42:27,271
-Biggie down.
-Somebody just got shot.
1900
01:42:27,402 --> 01:42:28,925
-Y'all get down.
-Biggie got shot.
1901
01:42:29,055 --> 01:42:30,840
-Ooh! Puff.
-Puffy.
1902
01:42:30,970 --> 01:42:32,581
Yo, crank up the car, please.
I'm ready to go.
1903
01:42:32,711 --> 01:42:34,148
get out of here for real.
1904
01:42:52,253 --> 01:42:54,733
Lil' Once we got to the
hospital and we pulled up there,
1905
01:42:54,864 --> 01:42:56,300
Big still ain't say a word.
1906
01:42:56,431 --> 01:42:59,085
By that time,
he was unconscious.
1907
01:42:59,216 --> 01:43:00,739
You know, some of
the other people
1908
01:43:00,870 --> 01:43:03,177
jumped out the other truck
to help get him out.
1909
01:43:08,530 --> 01:43:10,749
When we left the party,
1910
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,056
Heavy D called me over
to the car and he said,
1911
01:43:13,187 --> 01:43:14,405
"I think something happened
to Biggie.
1912
01:43:14,536 --> 01:43:15,841
I think you should go
to the hospital."
1913
01:43:15,972 --> 01:43:17,539
And so it was just...
1914
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:19,758
I immediately
kind of started panicking.
1915
01:43:23,066 --> 01:43:25,938
We got to Cedars-Sinai,
1916
01:43:26,069 --> 01:43:29,028
and then the doctor came
and was like, um,
1917
01:43:29,159 --> 01:43:31,161
"Ms. Wallace, I'm sorry.
He didn't make it."
1918
01:43:31,292 --> 01:43:33,207
And...
1919
01:43:33,337 --> 01:43:35,426
I remember
just kind of going numb,
1920
01:43:35,557 --> 01:43:37,646
and I was in this room
with all the guys,
1921
01:43:37,776 --> 01:43:40,910
and I just sat in the chair
and stared at the floor,
1922
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:42,738
and I didn't know what to do,
you know?
1923
01:43:42,868 --> 01:43:46,698
It was just --
I didn't know what to do.
1924
01:43:46,829 --> 01:43:48,744
I came in the room,
and somebody was like,
1925
01:43:48,874 --> 01:43:51,660
"Yo, Big ain't make it."
I was like, "What?"
1926
01:43:51,790 --> 01:43:55,707
You know, this was somebody
that like, you know,
1927
01:43:55,838 --> 01:43:58,144
took me out my neighborhood
and raised me since I was a kid.
1928
01:44:02,148 --> 01:44:04,977
I just -- I ran back outside
and just started crying.
1929
01:44:08,067 --> 01:44:10,461
It was just, like,
1930
01:44:10,592 --> 01:44:13,986
how one second
can change your whole life.
1931
01:44:14,117 --> 01:44:19,514
And the one second went from,
as people will tell you,
1932
01:44:19,644 --> 01:44:21,777
the greatest party ever
1933
01:44:21,907 --> 01:44:25,737
to, you know,
the worst tragedy imaginable.
1934
01:44:25,868 --> 01:44:29,698
Grown men on the floor
crying, man,
1935
01:44:29,828 --> 01:44:31,526
like, you know, like babies.
1936
01:44:31,656 --> 01:44:32,744
And then we all had to sit there
and go, "All right,
1937
01:44:32,875 --> 01:44:35,573
who's about to call his mother
1938
01:44:35,704 --> 01:44:39,098
and tell her that her son
is dead in California?"
1939
01:44:42,145 --> 01:44:45,670
Sunday morning...
1940
01:44:45,801 --> 01:44:49,587
the phone rang...
1941
01:44:49,718 --> 01:44:52,111
and I heard a grown man crying.
1942
01:44:52,242 --> 01:44:53,765
"Miss Wallace, Miss Wallace."
1943
01:44:56,942 --> 01:45:01,599
So I said,
"What's wrong with my son?"
1944
01:45:04,428 --> 01:45:05,951
And he goes, "Miss Wallace,
Miss Wallace,"
1945
01:45:06,082 --> 01:45:08,737
and I screamed at him,
1946
01:45:08,867 --> 01:45:12,915
"What's wrong with my son?"
1947
01:45:13,045 --> 01:45:17,093
24-year-old rap artist
known as Notorious B.I.G.,
1948
01:45:17,223 --> 01:45:19,617
Christopher Wallace,
was shot early Sunday morning
1949
01:45:19,748 --> 01:45:21,489
and later died of gunshot wounds
1950
01:45:21,619 --> 01:45:23,839
at nearby
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.
1951
01:45:25,493 --> 01:45:27,495
Money
Next day, me and Miss Wallace,
1952
01:45:27,625 --> 01:45:30,367
we caught a flight out together,
1953
01:45:30,498 --> 01:45:32,021
and we met up
with everybody out there.
1954
01:45:32,151 --> 01:45:34,371
But that was sad.
1955
01:45:35,938 --> 01:45:38,462
You know?
1956
01:45:38,593 --> 01:45:40,856
We picked her up from the
airport like00 that morning.
1957
01:45:43,293 --> 01:45:45,687
It was saddest day ever, bro.
1958
01:45:50,082 --> 01:45:53,172
I went to the hotel.
1959
01:45:53,303 --> 01:45:54,826
Hmph.
1960
01:45:54,957 --> 01:45:58,700
And when I walked
into that hotel,
1961
01:45:58,830 --> 01:46:01,442
what I saw on the bed
was Christopher's tuxedo
1962
01:46:01,572 --> 01:46:06,098
spread so nicely on the bed.
1963
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:13,410
And I said to myself then,
1964
01:46:13,541 --> 01:46:15,804
"I think he's playing
a joke on me."
1965
01:46:15,934 --> 01:46:19,068
Because he would do that.
1966
01:46:19,198 --> 01:46:22,637
But I said, "Would he do
something so cruel?"
1967
01:46:22,767 --> 01:46:24,116
I said, "No, he's gonna
come out of that room
1968
01:46:24,247 --> 01:46:25,814
and say, 'Gotcha!'"
1969
01:46:25,944 --> 01:46:29,165
And I was wishing for that.
1970
01:46:29,295 --> 01:46:33,517
"Please, Lord, let him come out
and say that so I can kick him."
1971
01:46:37,216 --> 01:46:40,306
And while I was there,
I got a call --
1972
01:46:40,437 --> 01:46:42,134
I don't know who called --
1973
01:46:42,265 --> 01:46:44,310
but to go
and identify the body.
1974
01:46:44,441 --> 01:46:45,921
They didn't show us.
1975
01:46:46,051 --> 01:46:47,226
They showed us a picture,
1976
01:46:47,357 --> 01:46:52,057
which, to me,
was even more awful.
1977
01:46:53,929 --> 01:46:58,934
I remember just
a quick gasp from Miss Wallace
1978
01:46:59,064 --> 01:47:01,240
because you could kind of see
in the picture
1979
01:47:01,371 --> 01:47:03,634
that he was -- he looked
like he was fighting.
1980
01:47:03,765 --> 01:47:05,462
He looked like he was
fighting for his life.
1981
01:47:05,593 --> 01:47:07,029
He did, you know?
1982
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:12,556
So...yeah, that was,
uh -- that was crazy.
1983
01:47:17,126 --> 01:47:19,694
And then we just worked.
Work, work, work, work.
1984
01:47:19,824 --> 01:47:22,697
"Let's get him home.
Let's get him home.
Let's get him home."
1985
01:47:22,827 --> 01:47:25,526
I hated California.
1986
01:47:25,656 --> 01:47:29,138
Hated it with a passion.
1987
01:47:29,268 --> 01:47:33,142
It took something dear from me.
1988
01:47:33,272 --> 01:47:35,927
I don't think there are words
to express
1989
01:47:36,058 --> 01:47:39,540
to tell you
how much I miss him.
1990
01:47:42,847 --> 01:47:48,766
He was my friend, my son.
1991
01:47:51,421 --> 01:47:57,383
And there's not a day
that goes by
1992
01:47:57,514 --> 01:47:59,734
that I don't think of him.
1993
01:48:01,910 --> 01:48:05,174
Sometimes happy thoughts.
1994
01:48:05,304 --> 01:48:07,393
Sad thoughts.
1995
01:48:07,524 --> 01:48:10,745
Angry thoughts sometimes.
1996
01:48:10,875 --> 01:48:13,443
Not a day that goes by.
1997
01:48:53,178 --> 01:48:55,703
Mm-hmm.
1998
01:49:00,925 --> 01:49:04,625
I don't even
remember being here.
1999
01:49:04,755 --> 01:49:07,410
I was so out of it.
2000
01:49:07,541 --> 01:49:10,587
Lost. Empty.
2001
01:49:10,718 --> 01:49:14,896
My chest was hurting.
My head was hurting.
2002
01:49:15,026 --> 01:49:17,333
You know,
just driving through Brooklyn
2003
01:49:17,463 --> 01:49:19,553
so Brooklyn can say goodbye.
2004
01:49:19,683 --> 01:49:22,643
And, boy,
did Brooklyn say goodbye.
2005
01:49:28,344 --> 01:49:29,998
Lil'
They let the kids get out
of school for a half a day.
2006
01:49:34,176 --> 01:49:35,394
People was on top of cars,
2007
01:49:35,525 --> 01:49:37,266
hanging out
their windows, on roofs.
2008
01:49:37,396 --> 01:49:40,138
You know, like,
I was like you know?
2009
01:49:44,012 --> 01:49:46,580
To bring him back to Brooklyn
was everything.
2010
01:49:46,710 --> 01:49:48,625
It was everything.
It was just...
2011
01:49:50,758 --> 01:49:52,063
And you know everybody
had love for him,
2012
01:49:52,194 --> 01:49:53,282
but you saw it that day.
2013
01:49:53,412 --> 01:49:55,371
You saw it.
2014
01:49:55,501 --> 01:49:59,636
It hurt me to my heart
to see one of one
of my brothers pass away.
2015
01:49:59,767 --> 01:50:01,986
I knew Big.
I used to live right over here
2016
01:50:02,117 --> 01:50:04,423
on the corner of St. James
for a little while.
2017
01:50:12,083 --> 01:50:15,478
When we reached St. James Place,
2018
01:50:15,609 --> 01:50:20,048
the cars slowed down,
the crowds were here.
2019
01:50:20,178 --> 01:50:23,051
Waving. Windows.
Waving.
2020
01:50:23,181 --> 01:50:24,356
Standing on the side.
2021
01:50:24,487 --> 01:50:27,708
I mean, people.
2022
01:50:27,838 --> 01:50:30,232
It was like a nest of ants.
2023
01:50:32,626 --> 01:50:35,846
Right as the car got
to St. James and Fulton,
2024
01:50:35,977 --> 01:50:37,631
someone put on "Hypnotized."
2025
01:50:42,548 --> 01:50:44,028
It was a riot,
2026
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:47,553
but, like, a love riot,
a resurrection ritual.
2027
01:50:51,209 --> 01:50:54,343
That's when I said
to my friend, "My God,
2028
01:50:54,473 --> 01:50:58,173
I never knew my son
was this famous."
2029
01:50:58,303 --> 01:51:00,479
You know,
I just whispered, "My God."
2030
01:51:05,659 --> 01:51:08,531
It made me feel so good
to see her realize
2031
01:51:08,662 --> 01:51:10,664
how many people he touched.
2032
01:51:13,449 --> 01:51:16,147
-Biggie Smalls. Brooklyn!
-Brooklyn!
2033
01:51:24,503 --> 01:51:26,505
And it remains.
2034
01:51:30,553 --> 01:51:33,730
They say, like,
time heals all wounds.
2035
01:51:33,861 --> 01:51:36,777
You know, I kind of wait
for that day.
2036
01:51:36,907 --> 01:51:38,517
But I also think that -- that,
you know,
2037
01:51:38,648 --> 01:51:41,042
time doesn't heal some wounds.
2038
01:51:41,172 --> 01:51:43,914
Some things you have
to live with, you know,
2039
01:51:44,045 --> 01:51:45,786
and sometimes,
that's God's will.
2040
01:51:51,705 --> 01:51:53,707
His music just went
through our body,
2041
01:51:53,837 --> 01:51:55,752
gave us chills.
2042
01:51:55,883 --> 01:51:58,494
because he talked nothing
but the truth.
2043
01:51:58,624 --> 01:52:00,801
You know, it don't make sense.
That was somebody's son.
2044
01:52:00,931 --> 01:52:02,803
That was somebody's father.
You know what I'm saying?
2045
01:52:02,933 --> 01:52:06,067
When we gonna stop?
2046
01:52:06,197 --> 01:52:07,590
When I first heard
Biggie Smalls died,
2047
01:52:07,721 --> 01:52:09,984
my first reaction
was ultimate shock.
2048
01:52:10,114 --> 01:52:11,463
He represented Brooklyn
to the fullest,
2049
01:52:11,594 --> 01:52:12,726
and I'm sad that he's gone.
2050
01:52:12,856 --> 01:52:15,990
And I was also sad
Tupac is gone.
2051
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:18,732
Should have ended right there.
2052
01:52:18,862 --> 01:52:20,516
They should have
just left it alone.
2053
01:52:24,085 --> 01:52:25,913
He ain't deserve that.
That wasn't for him.
2054
01:52:26,043 --> 01:52:27,523
And I felt like
he tried everything
2055
01:52:27,653 --> 01:52:29,090
in his mind and his body
2056
01:52:29,220 --> 01:52:30,352
to try to avoid
that negative thing.
2057
01:52:30,482 --> 01:52:32,006
You know what I mean?
2058
01:52:32,136 --> 01:52:33,572
Like, he tried his best
to stray away from it.
2059
01:52:33,703 --> 01:52:35,270
That wasn't who he was.
2060
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:37,315
I just felt like he got
jerked of his life,
2061
01:52:37,446 --> 01:52:42,103
and that made me a bitter person
for a very long time.
2062
01:52:42,233 --> 01:52:44,845
Jay-Man, he did everything
to avoid that.
2063
01:52:44,975 --> 01:52:47,978
People in life,
most people run to it.
2064
01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:50,285
Here, this man,
he's not only avoiding it,
2065
01:52:50,415 --> 01:52:53,070
he's using his talent
to put so many others
2066
01:52:53,201 --> 01:52:56,682
in a better position
so they can avoid the pitfalls
2067
01:52:56,813 --> 01:52:59,033
and the perils and shit
that happens where we come from.
2068
01:52:59,163 --> 01:53:00,425
And this happens to him.
2069
01:53:00,556 --> 01:53:01,775
It's like one of those things
2070
01:53:01,905 --> 01:53:03,951
that make you question
everything.
2071
01:53:05,735 --> 01:53:07,868
Big got killed
for nothing, man.
2072
01:53:07,998 --> 01:53:10,000
Over some bullshit.
2073
01:53:10,131 --> 01:53:11,393
Literally, over some bullshit.
2074
01:53:18,879 --> 01:53:21,229
In Los Angeles, police tonight
are investigating
2075
01:53:21,359 --> 01:53:22,839
the gangland-style murder
2076
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:25,189
of gangsta rap music star
Biggie Smalls.
2077
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,539
It got to do with
East Coast-West Coast for sure.
2078
01:53:27,670 --> 01:53:29,454
Police are
investigating rumors...
2079
01:53:29,585 --> 01:53:31,369
...may in some way be payback
for the September killing...
2080
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:33,110
...had numerous witnesses,
2081
01:53:33,241 --> 01:53:35,852
but so far,
most have been scared silent.
2082
01:53:35,983 --> 01:53:37,506
Brand-new evidence
is surfacing
2083
01:53:37,636 --> 01:53:39,856
that may link L.A.P.D.
Rampart Officer...
2084
01:53:39,987 --> 01:53:41,292
...that there was clearly
a cover-up going on.
2085
01:53:41,423 --> 01:53:43,077
And another jailhouse informant
2086
01:53:43,207 --> 01:53:45,775
with another
frankly preposterous story.
2087
01:53:45,906 --> 01:53:47,385
There have been
no arrests in the case,
2088
01:53:47,516 --> 01:53:49,474
and the result
for Biggie's friends and family
2089
01:53:49,605 --> 01:53:52,129
is frustration and speculation.
2090
01:53:54,958 --> 01:53:56,568
The L.A.P.D. is done
with the case.
2091
01:53:56,699 --> 01:53:59,093
You know, 15 years
of investigative effort,
2092
01:53:59,223 --> 01:54:02,705
and they just have
an attitude of indifference.
2093
01:54:02,836 --> 01:54:06,752
There's a lot of leads
that have been left unfollowed.
2094
01:54:06,883 --> 01:54:11,540
My mission
is for all the authorities
2095
01:54:11,670 --> 01:54:17,459
that were involved
to make an arrest.
2096
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:21,506
They know the truth.
2097
01:54:21,637 --> 01:54:24,683
I feel like we, as a family,
2098
01:54:24,814 --> 01:54:27,121
feel like the L.A.P.D. knows.
2099
01:54:27,251 --> 01:54:28,687
And we feel like they've --
2100
01:54:28,818 --> 01:54:30,341
you know, over time,
different things
2101
01:54:30,472 --> 01:54:32,387
have been divulged
to make us feel
2102
01:54:32,517 --> 01:54:37,087
like we can point a finger
in one direction.
2103
01:54:37,218 --> 01:54:39,046
And for me now to think
of the person
2104
01:54:39,176 --> 01:54:41,744
who took his life away,
2105
01:54:41,875 --> 01:54:45,182
I wonder if they have feelings,
you know?
2106
01:54:45,313 --> 01:54:49,012
I would like to know
how he felt.
2107
01:54:49,143 --> 01:54:50,971
You know,
is it a happy feeling?
2108
01:54:51,101 --> 01:54:53,190
Are you glad that happened?
2109
01:54:53,321 --> 01:54:56,367
How do you feel?
You know?
2110
01:54:56,498 --> 01:55:00,197
But my question is always, why?
2111
01:55:00,328 --> 01:55:03,374
And that's -- that's always
gonna be my puzzling question --
2112
01:55:03,505 --> 01:55:05,028
Why?
2113
01:55:18,694 --> 01:55:20,130
There's so many people
2114
01:55:20,261 --> 01:55:22,437
that knew him and loved him
genuinely.
2115
01:55:22,567 --> 01:55:24,656
So just his loss,
the fact that he's not here,
2116
01:55:24,787 --> 01:55:26,615
is the biggest tragedy.
2117
01:55:37,626 --> 01:55:39,976
Big represented
the heart and soul of Brooklyn.
2118
01:55:43,284 --> 01:55:44,415
Lil'
He means everything to Brooklyn.
2119
01:55:44,546 --> 01:55:46,069
Big is the savior,
he's the boss,
2120
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:47,810
he's poppa, he's the believer,
2121
01:55:47,941 --> 01:55:50,247
he's the one that
is the culture of Brooklyn.
2122
01:55:50,378 --> 01:55:52,249
He's the one that let you know,
yo, follow your dreams.
2123
01:55:52,380 --> 01:55:54,251
You can make it.
You can do it.
2124
01:56:01,650 --> 01:56:05,393
Brooklyn has
a remarkable amount of love,
2125
01:56:05,523 --> 01:56:07,917
respect, and dedication
to Biggie Smalls.
2126
01:56:09,571 --> 01:56:11,442
Spread love is the Brooklyn way.
2127
01:56:14,663 --> 01:56:17,100
Biggie's the reason
why we listen to punch lines,
2128
01:56:17,231 --> 01:56:19,537
and when you spit,
there's a flow.
2129
01:56:22,410 --> 01:56:24,107
Ain't nobody touching Biggie.
2130
01:56:24,238 --> 01:56:26,588
He was the freestyle artist
up there on Fulton Street.
2131
01:56:26,718 --> 01:56:28,024
He's the man.
2132
01:56:32,681 --> 01:56:35,031
Biggie Small, we miss you.
2133
01:56:38,121 --> 01:56:40,036
Funkmaster
20 years after Biggie died,
2134
01:56:40,167 --> 01:56:41,951
we will continue to use
the word "greatest."
2135
01:56:42,082 --> 01:56:43,735
His lyrics, his thought process,
2136
01:56:43,866 --> 01:56:47,870
the way he sees things,
the way he saw things.
2137
01:56:48,001 --> 01:56:52,092
His legacy is
his lyrical skills.
2138
01:56:52,222 --> 01:56:56,574
Nobody has come close
to the way Biggie sounds,
2139
01:56:56,705 --> 01:57:00,317
to the way he raps,
to the way his tone is,
2140
01:57:00,448 --> 01:57:02,667
to the feeling
that he gives you,
2141
01:57:02,798 --> 01:57:04,147
to the frequency that he hits.
2142
01:57:07,411 --> 01:57:10,458
Biggie represents Brooklyn,
New York City, America,
2143
01:57:10,588 --> 01:57:12,416
the black experience,
2144
01:57:12,547 --> 01:57:14,505
the young man who was just
trying to figure out
2145
01:57:14,636 --> 01:57:16,333
a way where they tell him, "No.
2146
01:57:16,464 --> 01:57:18,248
Your hair doesn't work for us.
2147
01:57:18,379 --> 01:57:19,945
You can't dress like that.
2148
01:57:20,076 --> 01:57:23,166
You can't talk like that.
You can't walk like that.
2149
01:57:23,297 --> 01:57:24,863
You can't hang
with your friends.
2150
01:57:24,994 --> 01:57:26,517
You can't stand on this corner.
2151
01:57:26,648 --> 01:57:29,259
You can't be."
2152
01:57:29,390 --> 01:57:30,956
He said fuck that.
2153
01:57:31,087 --> 01:57:33,568
Not only am I gonna be,
I'm gonna be the best.
2154
01:57:50,106 --> 01:57:52,804
The human side of him
came through his music,
2155
01:57:52,935 --> 01:57:57,418
and I think it moved
the molecules in the world.
2156
01:57:57,548 --> 01:57:59,942
You know?
I know for a fact, you know,
2157
01:58:00,073 --> 01:58:02,945
that it moved and pointed me
in a direction,
2158
01:58:03,076 --> 01:58:04,903
and I'm sure
that's happened to millions
2159
01:58:05,034 --> 01:58:06,383
and millions
of people worldwide.
2160
01:58:17,307 --> 01:58:19,048
It's what the prophets are.
2161
01:58:19,179 --> 01:58:20,832
It's what the prophets are
since the beginning of time --
2162
01:58:20,963 --> 01:58:22,965
just poets and musicians.
2163
01:58:23,096 --> 01:58:25,228
They would tell tales
through song,
2164
01:58:25,359 --> 01:58:27,056
and because they wasn't
preaching to you,
2165
01:58:27,187 --> 01:58:28,405
you let down your guard a bit.
2166
01:58:28,536 --> 01:58:30,668
You liked the melody.
You relaxed.
2167
01:58:30,799 --> 01:58:32,670
Then you got fed.
2168
01:58:46,336 --> 01:58:48,208
When my son died,
2169
01:58:48,338 --> 01:58:50,340
I went up to the country,
2170
01:58:50,471 --> 01:58:55,215
and I was in the house
all by my lonesome.
2171
01:58:55,345 --> 01:58:57,652
I was so torn apart.
2172
01:58:57,782 --> 01:59:00,742
I was an emotional wreck.
2173
01:59:00,872 --> 01:59:02,787
And I said, "You know what?
2174
01:59:02,918 --> 01:59:06,791
I'm gonna listen to this music."
2175
01:59:06,922 --> 01:59:09,403
And I rested my head
over the stereo.
2176
01:59:09,533 --> 01:59:11,753
I listened to that.
2177
01:59:11,883 --> 01:59:14,799
I cried like a baby.
2178
01:59:14,930 --> 01:59:19,152
I had a river of tears
coming down.
2179
01:59:19,282 --> 01:59:23,243
I digested
the art of the music.
2180
01:59:23,373 --> 01:59:27,247
I heard him telling a story.
2181
01:59:27,377 --> 01:59:34,993
And it took a talented
human being to do this.
2182
01:59:35,124 --> 01:59:39,389
I said, "My God,
if he wrote this,
2183
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:41,783
that was a brilliant man."
2184
01:59:41,913 --> 01:59:43,654
And I think from then on,
2185
01:59:43,785 --> 01:59:47,223
when it comes to the rap music,
2186
01:59:47,354 --> 01:59:54,317
I try very hard
not to judge it,
2187
01:59:54,448 --> 01:59:57,320
but to look
at the human being behind it.
2188
01:59:57,451 --> 02:00:02,020
That's a woman's son,
a man's son.
2189
02:00:02,151 --> 02:00:04,806
Those are human beings there,
2190
02:00:04,936 --> 02:00:10,115
and let's focus on the art.
2191
02:00:10,246 --> 02:00:12,988
Let's focus on the talent.
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