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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: {1}{100}www.napiprojekt.pl - nowa jako�� napis�w.|Napisy zosta�y specjalnie dopasowane do Twojej wersji filmu. {270}{389}All you need is one guy or girl|to stand up and say fuck this... {391}{442}and everyone goes,|Voice of a Generation. {444}{476}Thank you,|I've been thinking that. {478}{528}I never had the guts to stand|up and say it... {530}{595}and all of a sudden,|fuck this has a backbeat. {609}{654}You know,|what John Lennon always said... {656}{727}say what you mean and mean|what you say, put a beat to it... go. {729}{791}You only need 5% or less... {791}{884}to like embrace ideas|and change it... {885}{970}you know, change the way|people think all over again. {972}{1061}There's always gonna be people who are|artistically inclined who are gonna... {1063}{1169}somehow find something|that brings them into the same room... {1170}{1269}where they're gonna exchange information|and they're then gonna take that out. {1271}{1303}It becomes a lineage. {1305}{1393}These people find each other|and this time-line grows. {1429}{1485}This is a public service {1500}{1605}Announcement|With guitars {1710}{1761}Know your rights {1812}{1857}All three of them {2283}{2312}You're kickin' ass. {2314}{2351}You're doing something new... {2356}{2431}and you don't give a shit|about fucking commerciality... {2432}{2458}and that's what punk is. {2469}{2591}It's really kind of a philosophical thing|about how you look at some things. {2593}{2712}Originally punk meant, you know, a guy|in prison who got fucked up the ass... {2714}{2778}and that's still what|it means to people in prison. {2801}{2877}I think it starts with|Brando in the "Wild One". {2879}{2968}The famous line from that of course was|"What are you rebelling against?" {2975}{3033}And Brando turns to the camera and says,|"What have you got?" {3141}{3224}The rebellious part of it|was very important because... {3226}{3285}people get|too complacent. {3330}{3380}Shake, baby, shake {3400}{3443}Shake, baby, shake {3463}{3566}And I think the fight against|that complacency is punk rock. {3576}{3615}If you look a little back you see... {3617}{3677}it was in 50's rock|and roll is really punk. {3679}{3753}Running across the mother fucking stage|on one leg like this duck. {3755}{3827}Like doing this duck walk shit and|some punk shit, you know what I mean? {3845}{3933}Go, my coccon {4079}{4223}There is your Mum's music and|all of a sudden here comes Elvis Presley. {4225}{4354}Its always very important for like|iconoclastic artists to upset things. {4356}{4439}Every culture, every century|has a handful of these dudes. {4441}{4492}Guys and girls who go,|"Oh no, you don't"... {4574}{4645}If you said, gonna crawl {4647}{4731}I'm on the road again {4736}{4796}The hippies were the real punks|if you ask me. {4797}{4865}That was just as punk rock|as anything... {4867}{4965}when everyone was against Vietnam|and they were doing their own thing... {4967}{5058}and they were all having parties,|taking LSD at Woodstock and all that. {5060}{5101}People were sort of united|against the war... {5103}{5161}but they were united generally|against the establishment. {5372}{5407}I always liked hippies, man. {5409}{5496}I mean this country couldn't go wrong|with them. They're hippies. {5497}{5538}You know,|they're not gonna hurt anybody. {5540}{5629}They just wanna get high,|hear some music and fuck, you know. {5632}{5702}We wanted punk|to wipe out the hippies... {5704}{5778}blow up the whole world of rock 'n' roll|and start all over again. {5817}{5849}Too many tears dropped {5882}{5950}For one mind, to be crying {5992}{6042}When I was a kid they used|to call punk rock... {6044}{6098}like, you know, like,|Lenny Kay's Nuggets... {6099}{6190}you know those garage bands|that he came out with... {6192}{6250}and that's what I thought|punk rock was. {6251}{6288}In his liner notes he said... {6290}{6371}well, you know, some critics have|referred to this as punk... {6373}{6481}and right after that you just start|to sort of seeing that word a little bit. {6482}{6564}They were kind of like, you know,|young kids, American kids... {6566}{6626}that were trying to copy what|the Rolling Stones were doing... {6628}{6662}and some of the other|English bands... {6664}{6750}and weren't really as,|even as, professional as them. {6752}{6780}What I'm doing {6798}{6930}Yeah, you really got me now|You got me bedside at night {6974}{7010}Yeah, you really got me now {7011}{7068}I mean I grew up with|the British Invasion... {7070}{7138}but there was also|really great American bands... {7140}{7189}that kinda got lost in the shuffle... {7191}{7340}like Question Mark & The Mysterions|and The Standells and Count 5... {7342}{7381}you know Psychotic Reaction. {7387}{7442}You know they were very simple|three-chord rock. {7452}{7542}I can't get your love|I can't get affection {7605}{7705}Oh, little girls|I got a reaction {7716}{7756}And it feels like this {7758}{7858}There is a school of thought|that has Andy Warhol... {7863}{7929}figuring quite significantly... {7931}{8070}in some of the gruesome scratches|that became Punk Rock. {8294}{8372}The Velvet's stood out from|that whole hippie culture... {8373}{8454}with the dressed in black,|the wraparound shades... {8470}{8511}the subject matter of the material. {8513}{8662}The literary influences,|the sado-masochism, the drugs... {8671}{8739}it was so attractive|and so alluring... {8741}{8832}and I just loved it because it was|saying fuck off to the hippies as well. {8839}{8910}Opening peoples minds up|to other possibilities... {8911}{8996}can only be done sometimes|with rabid ideas. {9010}{9062}Your really trying to be polite|about it in some ways... {9064}{9174}and saying "Hey, don't you get it?"|And generally they don't... {9176}{9212}and you have to push|the boundaries. {9218}{9405}Here she comes|Up three flights of stairs {9407}{9486}Nico came and joined the band... {9488}{9571}and this was kind of the first|turn she took in her career... {9573}{9626}she was a top fashion model. {9631}{9694}Everybody knows {9745}{9834}The things she does to please {9857}{9951}She's just a little tease {9971}{10046}See the way she walks {10056}{10115}Nobody understood it at the time... {10117}{10221}and that's where I suddenly got|a different view of Andy... {10223}{10250}and that he had the vision of... {10252}{10377}of what PR really is and|how to propel image. {10441}{10526}But the astonishing thing|about Lou's talent at the time... {10528}{10571}was the literary background... {10601}{10700}but also he could sit down|with a guitar... {10702}{10762}and pop up a song about|almost anything. {10868}{11013}Hey, white boy|What you're doing uptown? {11151}{11275}Hey, white boy|You're chasing all women around {11276}{11339}But when their record came out|it was actually listenable... {11341}{11486}and you know, to me, it was a beautiful|record, I played it all the time. {11490}{11580}Lou Reed and his crew|making this atonal music... {11582}{11693}coming from art and heroin and death|in the middle of like feel good... {11694}{11728}that's Punk Rock. {11737}{11789}Kick out the jams, motherfuckers. {11827}{11916}Come on, go back|That's me {11945}{11973}Feel pretty good {11990}{12042}Yes, I could get crazy {12097}{12186}The MC5 was part of|an entire generation... {12188}{12341}that was in agreement that the direction|the country was going in was wrong. {12343}{12409}We were the ones that were gonna|have to go to Vietnam... {12411}{12502}we didn't agree with the way|they treated people of colour in America. {12503}{12653}We didn't agree with the way|they surpressed our cultural efforts... {12659}{12740}our ideas about things|and we just wanted to be heard. {12747}{12814}Feel unhappy having a good time {12816}{12872}Doing all right|Doing all right {12883}{12960}Doing all right|Doing all right {12964}{13082}Yeah, basically our luck was cultural|revolution by any means necessary... {13084}{13163}including rock 'n' roll, dope|and fucking in the streets... {13175}{13204}that was number 1. {13210}{13316}We read in the Black Panther newspaper|that Hughie Newton said... {13318}{13378}there needs|to be a white Panther party... {13380}{13453}to do parallel work that|the Black Panthers were doing. {13455}{13543}We said that's us, we're ready,|yeah, let's go. {13562}{13628}When you get that feeling|You gotta sock'em out {13630}{13737}Put that mike in my hand|Let me kick out the jams {13779}{13835}Kick out the jams {13846}{13883}Gotta kick out the jams {13911}{13977}One of our songs was called|"Kick Out The Jams"... {13979}{14101}and we cooked up this intro for the tune|where Tyler would scream... {14102}{14216}"Kick out the jams, mother fuckers"|and we knew it was a little bit wicked... {14218}{14317}and we're kind of breaking a taboo,|gosh they said a bad word... {14319}{14406}but what the hell, you know, this is|rock 'n' roll and it's all in good fun... {14413}{14457}but when they rushed|the album out... {14459}{14504}the programmers heard|the motherfucker and... {14505}{14569}they lost it, they lost it... {14571}{14680}and it effectively broke the back|of the whole, the MC5's entire campaign. {14696}{14731}It's hard to think of today... {14733}{14781}when you almost have|to say motherfucker. {14782}{14866}I mean, you're talking about people,|a rock 'n' roll band, you know. {14892}{14928}We're on acid, you know. {14930}{14984}We're smoking 50 joints a day... {14986}{15092}you know, around, biting along|with the bands for hundreds of miles... {15094}{15207}with James Brown playing on ten,|in the car, you know. {15436}{15495}We had some friends|up in Ann Arbour... {15496}{15559}that shared some principles|with the MC5... {15561}{15655}sonically especially, and they called|their band the Stooges. {15662}{15739}Gimme danger|Little stranger {15753}{15819}And I'll feel you bleed {15841}{15915}Gimme danger|Little stranger {15931}{16003}And I'll heal your disease {16009}{16053}I remember the first time|I saw lggy Pop... {16054}{16107}he was covered with oil|and glitter... {16109}{16211}and everyone was kinda staring at him,|going what the hell is this, you know? {16213}{16294}It was kinda strange,|different kinda attitude... {16295}{16369}and he was kinda jumping around|like a spastic, you know. {16376}{16452}Now if you will be my lover {16463}{16541}I will shiver and sing {16566}{16666}Primal beats, you know,|slabs of sound... {16668}{16733}brutally, psychologically honest. {16765}{16803}Lyrics, you know... {16808}{16898}in a metaphoric, I mean, "I wanna be|your dog", those kinds of things... {16899}{16945}things that he grabbed from the blues. {16953}{17037}Now I wanna be your dog {17047}{17135}Now I wanna be your dog {17140}{17223}I think the transformative experience|that happened to lg... {17240}{17325}was, and I was at the show too,|he saw The Doors. {17327}{17374}Seeing the Doors changed them. {17376}{17433}They were mesmerised... {17435}{17559}what they saw in that performance|gave them a whole new lease on life. {17573}{17653}I'm worth a million in prizes {17679}{17754}Yeah, I'm through with sleeping|On the sidewalk {17756}{17870}No more beating my brains|Beating my brains {17870}{17961}With liquor and drugs|With liquor and drugs {17963}{18042}You know these were bands that weren't|selling records, you know. {18044}{18158}Iggy claimed as far as he knew he didn't|sell any records until he came to NY... {18159}{18312}and met this other, this newer generation|of like The Ramones and stuff who were... {18314}{18419}completely informed by The Stooges,|which was shocking for him. {18439}{18529}It seemed like a lot of the people|who started the early... {18529}{18607}both the punk and the new wave bands|in America... {18609}{18679}were the only Stooges|fan in their town... {18680}{18724}the only Velvet Underground fan... {18726}{18793}and then we all moved to bigger|towns and met each other... {18795}{18823}and started bands. {18953}{18978}Yeah, yeah, yeah {19007}{19081}No, no, no|Baby, no, no, no {19091}{19150}You know rock 'n' roll had become|this just be... {19152}{19254}denimed kind of drum solo... {19256}{19369}kind of thing, and what we wanted to do|was to bring it down to 3 minutes and... {19371}{19439}put that Little Richard|drag on top of it and... {19441}{19538}that's what rock 'n' roll was to us.|You know... {19540}{19590}we were just trying|to make rock 'n' roll. {19603}{19703}Punk rock wasn't even a thought|at that time I don't think... {19705}{19811}but the seeds for punk were certainly|being sown by The Dolls... {19813}{19915}and by all the bands that had|come previous to that... {19917}{19999}such as The Velvets and|The Stooges and the MC5. {20010}{20126}And your a prima ballerina|On a spring afternoon {20194}{20299}Change on into the wolfman|Howlin at the moon {20340}{20405}In England there was this thing,|this controversy... {20407}{20445}because this guy said... {20482}{20520}what did he say, mock rock... {20549}{20636}which, you know I mean,|I couldn't care less at the time... {20638}{20680}but I could see how it... {20697}{20801}kinda like galvanised kids who|thought, like, this is the real deal... {20803}{20835}so what do you know, you old fart. {20837}{20925}Festival music from an American group|like the Stones... {20927}{20973}like the Monkees were|to the Beatles. {20974}{21018}A pale and amusing derivative. {21019}{21051}These are the New York Dolls. {21443}{21500}Who so fly up in the sky {21506}{21569}Faster than any boy could ever describe {21571}{21706}When I saw them and the way|they didn't care about nothing... {21708}{21787}and that just really struck me straight|away, you know what I mean. {21788}{21863}It was something completely different|to anything else that was going on then. {21868}{21939}Every punk band that I knew|in London, and I know all of them... {21940}{21996}they all had both of|the New York Dolls albums. {22004}{22061}No one had told us that|we had all this impact. {22074}{22112}We didn't know anything about it. {22114}{22161}Yeah, we would have moved to England|and stayed here. {22181}{22279}When I say I'm a luv|you'd best believe I'm a luv, L.U. V. {22628}{22694}I know that there's this thing, Malcolm|McClaren managed The Dolls but... {22696}{22825}he hung around with this us for the last|2 weeks of our existence. We were like... {22827}{22859}we were going down in flames. {22861}{22929}Malcolm thought like what's the most|shocking thing in America? {22931}{22994}They're really afraid|of communism in America... {22996}{23083}so let's make all these red clothes|and have a red party. {23085}{23126}And then for shock value... {23128}{23196}he put a big flag with a hammer|and sickle in the back. {23216}{23273}They didn't sing about|being communists... {23275}{23365}it was just there to irritate people|and it sure did. {23371}{23409}It's so funny to think now that... {23411}{23502}you know, that communism|in the States was like... {23550}{23610}was like child molesting, you know. {23638}{23766}So this was it, I mean, in America which|we were such a hard pill to swallow. {23768}{23809}You know everyone was booing them. {23816}{23917}You know, "Faggots get off the stage",|and you know and a lot of that stuff. {23922}{24003}We were number one man and|we were way ahead of the pack... {24005}{24052}and then that's when we fell|and broke our leg... {24054}{24119}and bam and everyone else just whoosh. {24121}{24249}The red and black leather show|and that look was kind of the final blow. {24254}{24353}It's sort of interesting|as that sort of marks... {24355}{24472}the point where glam rock died|and punk rock started. {24474}{24596}As The Dolls sort of began to wind|down and then eventually broke up... {24598}{24638}there were other bands coming in... {24638}{24702}that had been in kind of|in the circle of The Dolls... {24704}{24790}and had been inspired by The Dolls|and they started forming bands. {24939}{25004}In New York pre-75... {25006}{25065}the punk rock scene was probably|just starting to bubble... {25067}{25127}but nobody knew it was going|to be the punk rock scene... {25134}{25258}we were just taking notes from the MC5|and taking notes from The Stooges... {25259}{25368}and the cauldron was starting|to bubble. {25372}{25490}You know everybody was so fed up with|what was going on with rock 'n' roll... {25491}{25522}which was Deep Purple. {25524}{25629}These big bloated concerts where they|did these organ solos for 20 minutes... {25631}{25676}or these guitar solos for 20 minutes. {25682}{25770}The Bowery was still The Bowery.|It wasn't cleaned up yet. {25772}{25822}It was still fun and|a little dangerous... {25824}{25930}and edgy and it was, you know,|a different cultural social world back then. {25936}{26014}Also everybody was sick|of the Vietnam war... {26016}{26099}which started in 1965|and went to 1975... {26101}{26177}so it was kinda like, you know,|we don't wanna be political any more... {26179}{26270}you know, we want to kinda be about|don't step on my blue suede shoes... {26272}{26336}which is probably the most political|thing you could say... {26336}{26378}because that's about personal freedom. {26509}{26601}The Dictators are|a kind of an unknown band... {26602}{26648}and they were actually the first. {26650}{26757}They came out in 74 with an album|called "Dictators Go Girl Crazy". {26781}{26848}I'm a street walking cheetah|With a heart full of napalm {26907}{26979}I'm a runaway son|Of the nuclear a-bomb {27040}{27089}Handsome Dick Manitoba|was on the cover... {27090}{27178}you know and he had this big afro|and he was dressed in this wrestling suit... {27180}{27241}but inside the cover,|if you pulled it out... {27243}{27297}there was a cover and they're|all in black leather jackets... {27299}{27348}sitting in a White Castle|hamburger stand... {27350}{27382}and that's when we said "Yes". {27384}{27454}We were into White Castles|and pussy and getting drunk... {27456}{27498}and playing rock 'n' roll... {27500}{27602}and we're gonna spit out our culture|and what we think is cool. {27615}{27670}I am the world's goddamn voice {27677}{27729}The world needs something to destroy {27737}{27839}You heard a lot about these groups|often from word of mouth... {27841}{27894}and from other people|on the street... {27914}{27949}and a lot of flyers were up... {27950}{28033}and then people were pressing|their own singles you know. {28035}{28195}It was truly alternative, cause it really|was people doing it for themselves... {28197}{28248}because they wanted|to express something. {28302}{28413}We were kinda like uh smashing|those aisles you might say... {28415}{28504}the status quo of the guitar bass|and drums... {28506}{28588}and we took them all out|and then we had only two guys... {28605}{28678}and the name Suicide on top of it... {28703}{28739}and, yeah, we knew it was different. {28777}{28885}I mean Suicide were around at the time|that The Dolls were around. {28887}{28936}They were pre punk, you know... {28936}{29034}and they were doing something that|was so completely off the deep end. {29215}{29327}They were out like with their with their|radiated glasses and radiated music. {29465}{29593}Alan Vega would come out with this motor|cycle chain that was like 8 feet long... {29599}{29688}and Marty stopped playing|and he would sing a couple of notes... {29690}{29796}and then he would start whipping|the floor with this board, cycle chain. {29801}{29875}This completely frightened|people out of the room. {29887}{29957}Bebebebebebebe|He's lookin' so cute {29999}{30078}Sneakin' round round round|In a blue jumpsuit {30093}{30171}I'd have to think that Suicide had to be|a tremendous influence... {30171}{30200}on absolutely everybody. {30250}{30404}Ghostrider motorcycle hero {30445}{30522}At that time there was only 2 bars|to play that played original music... {30524}{30567}and that was CBGB's and Max's. {30569}{30686}I opened in December 73 as CBGB's... {30687}{30749}which stands for Country,|Blues Grass, Blues. {30755}{30838}I made it a policy the only way|they could play here... {30840}{30913}not they could the only way|they could play here... {30913}{30963}is they had to do their own music. {30969}{31126}That was the first time I had this|new wave of what we call punk music... {31128}{31233}with the group Television,|but they didn't sound good to me. {31235}{31289}I saw Television maybe 20 times... {31291}{31413}I think and I saw them, I think,|in some of their very first shows... {31430}{31574}so I was, uh, really inspired|by that whole scene very early on. {31718}{31793}There is something very French|in a way for me about Television. {31795}{31834}I don't know why but... {31847}{31897}aesthetically|they were very different... {31899}{31996}and their music could have extended|instrumental passages... {31998}{32087}that would just lift you away|and transport you somewhere. {32124}{32275}Jesus's dead to somebody's sin|But not mine {32277}{32427}We had Patti here in|the Spring of 75 for 7 weeks. {32427}{32516}She's one person who sort|of really predates punk... {32518}{32647}as far as like being like an artist|in her performance and her writing... {32648}{32743}and but at the same time she really|informed punk to such a degree... {32744}{32807}and so she's very significant|the way she comes in. {32809}{32910}I thought Patti Smith|was the queen of the universe... {32925}{33045}I mean the number of times I've sat|in front of, of her first album... {33046}{33125}turned up the all|the way on my stereo. {33126}{33202}I mean I just thought this is it. {33204}{33266}This is rock that|I've dreamed about. {33277}{33366}The boy licked Johnny|Johnny wanted to run {33373}{33488}Johnny wanted to move|But the movie kept moving as planned {33494}{33579}The boy gripped Johnny|He whispered against a locker {33584}{33670}He drove it in, he drove it home|He drove it deep in Johnny {33672}{33748}These records were not records that were|what you would think as punk rock... {33750}{33829}they weren't sort of, you know,|sped up Chuck Berry riffs... {33830}{33905}and it wasn't, it wasn't, you know,|this, this kind of hammer... {33928}{33996}you know, punk rock recording|thing, you know. {33997}{34066}These were more other|worldly in a way. {34072}{34146}When suddenly Johnny {34146}{34179}Gets the feeling {34183}{34227}He's being surrounded by {34244}{34319}Horses, horses, horses, horses {34324}{34407}There was always an intellectual|side to the punk movement. {34409}{34438}Many of those bands from that time... {34439}{34513}were picking up influences|from the poets and the writers... {34515}{34571}that they had grown up listening to... {34573}{34614}Rimbaud certainly... {34615}{34749}and actually a big one was Jack Kerouac|you know, "On The Road". {34775}{34870}I was sayin' let me out of here before {34872}{34948}I was even born|It's such a gamble when you get a face {34955}{35048}It's fascinatin' to observe|What the mirror does {35050}{35131}But when I dine it's for the wall|That I set a place {35154}{35198}I remember Richard Hell|walking in one night. {35199}{35276}Richard kinda walked in wearing|these clothes safety pinned together... {35279}{35384}and Malcolm was totally taken|by that idea of like anti fashion. {35389}{35471}He was very bright and he wrote|"Blank Generation"... {35477}{35564}and when he did that and sang|that with Television first... {35566}{35630}and then he started|Richard Hell & The Voidoids... {35636}{35728}Malcolm saw that and took|it back to London. {35740}{35830}I belong to the blank generation {35834}{35905}And I can take it or leave it each time {35915}{36014}Some of the safety pins and the stapled|cuffs and things like that... {36016}{36045}were more of a necessity... {36045}{36111}of people actually|trying to hold their clothes together. {36121}{36153}And then in London... {36153}{36239}we'd see these pictures|of kids who called themselves punks... {36241}{36302}and they'd have safety|pins all over the place. {36304}{36345}They'd rip the clothing on purpose... {36345}{36403}just so they could buy|a whole bunch of safety pins... {36405}{36464}and put the safety pins and|the rips all over the place. {36484}{36527}And then we'd have to hear about|how they're... {36527}{36591}on the dole|and they don't have any money. {36822}{36864}The Ramones were rehearsing down|the hall from us... {36866}{36939}when they and in|the rehearsal place... {36959}{37019}and Joey comes over and goes... {37022}{37114}"David come down the hall|and hear my band", you know... {37115}{37145}and so I get down the hall... {37165}{37220}and they start,|they play me a song... {37222}{37250}and I was like... {37262}{37331}"You gotta be kiddin",|like, "Get a job", you know. {37342}{37416}I had no idea that|they were so fabulous. {37421}{37446}I don't wanna walk around {37473}{37523}I don't wanna walk around with you {37534}{37583}I don't wanna walk around with you {37590}{37632}So why you wanna walk around with me? {37638}{37743}In the early 70's|we discovered bands... {37745}{37847}like The Stooges, the MC5,|The Velvet Underground... {37849}{37877}and later The New York Dolls. {37897}{37940}They're piling in the back seat {37966}{38010}They're generating steam heat {38035}{38120}Pulsating to the back beat|The blitzkrieg bop {38121}{38168}Dee Dee had heard about CBGB... {38170}{38266}because Dee Dee,|Dee Dee was a friend of Richard Hell. {38285}{38395}A few Sundays later|we put Television in and The Ramones. {38479}{38519}They were worse than Television. {38528}{38560}One, two, three, four {38715}{38800}It was a really interesting set because|our equipment kept breaking down... {38801}{38911}and we kept breaking strings and we'd|get into fights between songs... {38913}{38957}so we hardly ever, you know,|finished a song. {38962}{39078}I remember seeing The Ramones|and hating them, I hated them. {39087}{39211}I walked out so pissed off that|my friend brought me here... {39218}{39376}and for 24 hours I could not think|of anything else but how mad I was... {39378}{39439}that this guy brought me|to see this lousy band. {39449}{39483}The next night I was back. {39599}{39649}I'm a Nazi schatze y'know {39663}{39705}The first time I saw The Ramones... {39706}{39755}the whole set, maybe 12 songs... {39756}{39860}went by in about 16 minutes and I was|thinking, like, what the hell was that. {39867}{39903}We were missing... {39927}{39969}the essence of rock 'n' roll... {39971}{40030}which was basically what we grew up... {40032}{40084}with the was the 3-minute song. {40088}{40195}What happened though was that|because we were playing so fast... {40197}{40283}the 3-minute songs became|1-and-a-half-minute songs. {40293}{40318}Take it Dee Dee {40320}{40351}I can't stop it! {40572}{40659}As far as why we were playing so fast,|that was the way we played. {40676}{40732}Hey ho, let's go {40737}{40792}Hey ho, let's go {40795}{40852}Hey ho, let's go {40854}{40912}Hey ho, let's go {40914}{40948}They're forming in a straight line {40971}{41012}They're going through a tight wind {41033}{41070}The kids are losing their minds {41079}{41112}The Blitzkrieg Bop {41154}{41190}They're piling in the back seat {41215}{41234}They're generating steam heat {41236}{41359}Legs McNeil and John Holmstrom had|this idea that they'd start a magazine... {41361}{41422}and then they could probably|get free records and free drinks... {41424}{41476}and they'd say that they were|representing a magazine... {41478}{41535}and since they was no magazine|that they could represent... {41537}{41610}because nobody cared about|this downtown music... {41612}{41647}they started their own magazine. {41652}{41747}And John wanted to call it Teenage News,|which I thought was a very stupid idea. {41749}{41779}I didn't realise it at the time... {41781}{41831}but it was from an unreleased|New York Dolls record. {41833}{41934}I said ok so what do we call|the magazine about comics... {41953}{41981}and fashion... {41983}{42044}and funny stuff. {42045}{42112}- Why don't we call it Punk?|- And I was, like, perfect. {42120}{42143}We'll call it Punk. {42145}{42236}The first night we decided|to do any kind of interviews... {42238}{42275}we went to CBGB's. {42276}{42349}Legs insisted on dragging along|his friend, Mary Harron. {42351}{42441}And that was the night we met Lou Reed.|It was the first time I saw The Ramones. {42443}{42516}The Ramones came out and|they counted off the wrong song. {42529}{42580}One, two, three, four|and they all went to the wrong song... {42582}{42672}and they threw down their guitars|in self disgust and it was great. {42674}{42785}I was just like, you know, completely|shell shocked but it was so... {42787}{42849}it was so, I felt like I was seeing|something completely new. {42856}{42927}That was the night we met Lou Reed|and I went up to him and said. {42929}{42970}Oh, we're going to interview|you for a punk magazine. {42972}{43009}John said, yeah,|"We'll put you on the cover"... {43011}{43058}and he said, yeah,|"You're circulation must be fabulous." {43067}{43145}I can't seem to face up|To the facts {43154}{43231}I'm tense and nervous and I|Can't relax {43247}{43340}I can't sleep|'Cause my bed's on fire {43342}{43430}Don't touch me|I'm a real live wire {43432}{43483}And the media picked up punk rock... {43485}{43599}and started calling Television,|Talking Heads, Patti Smith... {43609}{43668}everyone in New York|was punk rock all of a sudden. {43682}{43756}Psycho killer|Qu'est-ce que c'est {43758}{43867}None of the bands called themselves|punk, or particularly wanted to be punk. {43887}{43942}The Ramones certainly didn't|want to be called that. {43960}{44035}Unfortunately I think|it was detrimental to us... {44037}{44108}as far as the straight media|was concerned... {44110}{44194}because they assume we were|a bunch of hooligans... {44196}{44242}and were kind of afraid of us. {44243}{44283}And the bands were so diverse... {44283}{44342}that I don't even know|if that's what they were. {44347}{44392}You know some of these bands... {44410}{44475}I wouldn't have classified|them as punk... {44477}{44537}but they have a punk attitude,|like Television. {44545}{44607}You see I don't feel Television... {44636}{44696}but they are,|I mean they came from the punk. {44706}{44775}Patti Smith,|if you wanna take the lyric, alright... {44778}{44855}you know, some of these things|in a sense are punk. {44862}{44971}The Dead Boys were more rock|and roll than punk... {44972}{45047}but they certainly had punk|lyrics and a punk attitude. {45071}{45098}Oh baby {45143}{45180}I need lunch {45258}{45318}When punk rock came out|it was very threatening... {45318}{45355}and frightening to some people. {45359}{45435}Even Debbie Harry talks about|when she would go to radio stations... {45437}{45522}people were like afraid of her|because they heard she was punk rock... {45524}{45578}like she was going to pull out|a knife or something. {45598}{45629}He don't {45651}{45688}Hang around {45695}{45747}With the gang no more {45762}{45829}So I remember one time seeing|Blondie at CBGB's. {45831}{45872}I think it was "Heart of Glass"|that they were playing... {45873}{45913}and it sounded almost|like a disco song... {45915}{46000}and it sounded much more musical|and much more mainstream... {46001}{46043}than any other of the bands|that had played before... {46058}{46133}it sounded like something that you could|actually start hearing on the radio. {46139}{46260}And what the major labels had done,|it said, "Ok, new wave is acceptable." {46269}{46353}Blondie, The Knack, The Cars... {46355}{46445}pink neck ties,|snazzy suit jackets and all... {46446}{46526}but we don't want anything|to do with punk. {46645}{46686}When the UK kinda blew up... {46688}{46783}which was immediately after really,|or almost at the same time... {46783}{46829}there was a different vibe... {46830}{46942}and we were really, you know, my friends|and I were really interested in that. {46944}{47055}Curious as to how,|how does this same kind of thing... {47057}{47170}how is it expressed in a somewhat|different cultural climate. {47172}{47236}My Mother called me and said,|"Punk started in England"... {47238}{47262}and I'm like, "Oh, Mum". {47503}{47553}The political, social climate... {47553}{47656}at the time in the 70's was crucial|to the formation of punk rock... {47658}{47792}because punk rock was talking|about the dole queue... {47794}{47829}and the Winter of Discontent. {47834}{47920}The fabric of society at that time was,|like, when we first started... {47921}{47965}it was, in our eyes, falling apart. {47967}{48016}We had the 3-day week,|you had rubbish strikes. {48130}{48190}You know wherever you went,|it was bad news. {48192}{48266}They were talking about burying|people at sea, in the Mersey... {48267}{48323}because the grave diggers were|on strike. I mean it was that bad. {48326}{48369}God save the queen {48400}{48497}The time was just right.|It wasn't orchestrated. {48498}{48570}It was like|all these elements of people... {48570}{48652}not being happy|with what was going on at present. {48658}{48790}So I suppose that probably had quite|a strong push for all of us to say... {48791}{48836}well, we'd better do something|for ourselves... {48838}{48893}rather than rely on anybody else. {48904}{49026}God take the Queen|She ain't a human being {49061}{49132}And has no future {49141}{49211}It ain't a string {49215}{49297}Well, there was no such word|as punk at the time, if I remember. {49298}{49442}The first time I heard that word using|in conjunction with what we were doing... {49444}{49533}was Caroline Coon,|or one of these journalists... {49535}{49591}and I was quite shocked|to be honest... {49593}{49634}because, you now,|I thought we were kinda... {49636}{49705}you know, I didn't really|know what we were doing. {49706}{49757}All I knew was|it was kinda different from... {49757}{49815}the other garbage|that was going around at the time. {49947}{50004}God save your mad parade {50008}{50137}74, 75, 76, I mean the place to be,|was, you know, the King's Road. {50138}{50173}It was the only place|that was interesting. {50174}{50259}The one thing that would draw us|to the King's Road... {50261}{50298}was Vivian and Malcolm's shop. {50300}{50361}That was the one thing you had|to go and see and hang out in. {50366}{50442}I'd never seen anyone look|like this ever before in my life. {50454}{50506}She had this white hair that... {50506}{50605}stuck out all over the place|and these purple eyebrows drawn on. {50616}{50667}And I'd never met anyone|like Malcolm and Vivian... {50669}{50731}because they looked so fuckin|bizarre for a start. {50733}{50801}People like Vivian Westwood|are a kinda social sponge. {50803}{50844}I don't mean she sponges,|as in leech... {50846}{50931}I mean sponges as in,|she soaks up what is going on. {50933}{51052}She kind of feels all the political|and economic moods... {51054}{51121}and then translates it into her|clothes and everything. {51123}{51208}The trousers all come with|a line cloth on the back. {51210}{51279}Everybody wants to know why.|It's just a line cloth... {51280}{51369}It's just a gesture of some kind|of tribelism really. {51379}{51498}You could always point out that maybe|it has some connection with the back... {51500}{51571}It goes right round at the back|of the ass as well, I don't know. {51577}{51651}The first time I went into Malcolm's|store here in England... {51653}{51714}and I saw these bondage pants,|you know, that had... {51714}{51794}straps on them, where you were|supposed to strap your legs together... {51805}{51884}and it seemed like the dumbest idea in|the world to me. How are you gonna walk? {51884}{51975}What, just kinda bounce down the street?|I thought nobody's gonna wear that... {51979}{52023}I came back to England about|6 months later... {52024}{52070}and all these kids with their|legs strapped together... {52070}{52106}bouncing down the street. {52110}{52187}I don't think punk would have happened|without Malcolm and Vivian to be honest. {52192}{52261}Something would have happened and|it might have even been called punk... {52263}{52343}but it wouldn't have looked the way it|did and the look of it was so important. {52345}{52426}Saturday afternoon people used to flip|between Hackney Attractions... {52428}{52478}and... Let It Rock... {52479}{52525}and John was one of that crowd. {52528}{52618}We arranged for this meeting for him|to come down to meet us for a drink... {52620}{52646}and he got the gig. {52649}{52704}He said, what are you called,|and we said, the Sex Pistols... {52709}{52762}and he said, that's awful.|It's so bad, I love it. {52765}{52843}I am the antiChrist {52851}{52927}I am an anarchist {52940}{53019}We'd been reading about|the Sex Pistols in the NME... {53019}{53074}a gig at the St. Martin's|College of Art. {53074}{53155}I think it was, the one where someone|shouted out from the audience... {53156}{53186}"You can't play"... {53197}{53261}and one of them said, so what? {53266}{53444}We read the first review|of the Sex Pistols in NME. {53455}{53520}Don't look over your shoulder,|the Sex Pistols are coming. {53526}{53628}And he said, "Oh look, there's a review|here for this band in London... {53629}{53668}who do Stooges songs." {53674}{53715}Nobody did Stooges songs. {53717}{53795}They do a version of No Fun|and we thought oooh. {53800}{53848}And there's this fantastic line... {53850}{53900}well, we're not into music,|we're into chaos. {53906}{53936}Which appealed to Howard. {53941}{54055}And it was those 2 things|that kind of went ding, ding with me. {54072}{54156}You fill me so with this big temptation {54214}{54285}This kind of feeling|Could destroy a nation {54288}{54391}But we successfully saw them twice|the weekend we came down to London. {54393}{54433}February 1976. {54448}{54515}I said to Malcolm... {54590}{54636}"Do you want to come|and play at our college?" {54642}{54690}About 100 people turned up... {54719}{54766}and I think we know that included... {54779}{54882}Morrissey, half of Joy Division|and New Order. {54919}{54984}Apparently everybody in that|audience started a band... {55022}{55063}all 7 million of them. {55115}{55228}Ever fallen in love with someone|Ever fallen in love, in love with someone {55230}{55292}Ever fallen in love|In love with someone {55294}{55339}You shouldn't've fallen in love with {55384}{55435}I can't see much of a future {55447}{55531}Unless we find out who's to blame|What a shame {55549}{55661}The 100 Club Punk Rock Festival|was a 2-day event... {55663}{55769}that featured bands like the Pistols,|The Damned, The Clash... {55771}{55835}Subway Sect and Siouxsie|and The Banshees. {55840}{55926}I think that my first reaction|when I went down into the 100 Club... {55928}{56022}was I can't believe they've|taken this all seriously. {56273}{56340}The formation of the bands|was quite liquid, you know. {56342}{56410}One minute Tony James would|be in The Damned... {56411}{56465}and the next minute, you know,|Chrissie Hynde would... {56466}{56589}you know, we'd all be feeling each other|out, seeing how it went kinda thing, so. {56591}{56675}Chrissie was in a early|incarnation of The Damned... {56677}{56787}which she, she wanted to call it,|Mike Hunt's Honourable Discharge. {56833}{56858}A charming name. {56881}{56931}I got a new rose|I got it good {56944}{56994}Yes, I knew that|I always would {57011}{57063}I can't stop to mess around {57080}{57139}I got a brand new rose in town {57145}{57244}They were more like an American punk|band than the London bands... {57246}{57325}which unfortunately they didn't always|have a great sense of humour. {57331}{57409}We used to jump from, you know, top of|tall building to another tall building... {57411}{57442}to steal a flag, you know... {57444}{57534}or to get into someone else's hotel|room to shit in their bed, you know. {57538}{57617}These things don't happen anymore|unfortunately, you know. {57646}{57701}I remember going to see|The Damned, I think... {57703}{57775}and I'm walking back with Mark P|who had just started... {57777}{57819}was starting this fanzine "Sniffin' Glue". {57824}{57859}You've got to get it down there|and shove it down... {57859}{57906}people's throats your ideas... {57908}{57999}and if it means being a bit violent,|you know, it's ok, you know. {58006}{58110}"Sniffin' Glue"obviously was like|the first Xerox copy fanzine. {58111}{58204}It was like an expression|of our own thing... {58206}{58296}rather than the more glossy|American magazines, you know. {58315}{58394}The first issue of "Sniffin' Glue" put|Blue Oyster Cult on the cover. {58396}{58443}Then it had the Sex Pistols|on the cover. {58445}{58512}Yeah, The Clash, The Damned|and the Pistols were... {58514}{58604}all about the same kind of fame,|stroke, notoriety... {58606}{58660}whatever you want to call|it at the time... {58666}{58787}until the Pistols were lucky enough|to be invited on the Grundy show... {58789}{58825}I mean, anyone could have|gone on and swore. {58826}{58875}Joe Strummer could have done it.|I could have... {58875}{58909}I'm very good at swearing, you know. {58911}{58975}You've got 5 seconds.|Say something outrageous. {58977}{59013}You dirty bastard. {59021}{59080}- Again.|- You dirty fucker. {59082}{59167}- Well fuck it.|- And that's it for tonight. {59179}{59272}I'll be seeing you soon, I hope I won't|be seeing you again. Good night. {59290}{59348}I've got to complain to ITV. {59354}{59424}I really can't believe the reaction|that it had that... {59430}{59530}you know, people kicked their TV sets|in and were outraged. {59532}{59569}The filth and the fury. {59570}{59684}I mean, you could never predict|that that would go so ballistic. {59690}{59808}That's how they leapt across in the,|in the old fame stakes... {59810}{59831}and they were the kind... {59831}{59894}that was the filth and the fury|on the front pages and all this stuff. {59898}{59976}I am an antiChrist {59981}{60066}I am an anarchist {60070}{60156}Don't know what I want|But I know how to get it {60160}{60243}I wanna destroy|The passerby {60246}{60340}It went completely mad from that|point on and we all like set off... {60342}{60404}I think the next day we set|off on the Anarchy Tour. {60439}{60573}The Pistols, ourselves and|Johnny Thunder & The Heartbreakers. {60575}{60735}I think we had like 16 dates booked and,|as we went up the motorway... {60739}{60787}the dates got less and less... {60795}{60868}and I think we ended up only doing 4... {60870}{60937}and it was back in time for Christmas. {60960}{61059}Do you feel the publicity following|the temps TV has been damaging? {61060}{61094}Or you think it's helped you? {61099}{61154}I don't think it's been damaging.|Far from it. {61156}{61205}Whether it's helping us|is another matter. {61493}{61533}You know,|a lot of shit had gone down... {61535}{61583}and things came to a head|between me and John... {61607}{61664}and I'd kinda had enough|at that stage. {61681}{61747}Pistols Mark 2 with Sid,|bad mistake. {61751}{61792}Nancy went over to England... {61794}{61852}cos Johnny Thunders|& The Heartbreakers came over... {61853}{61903}and she was good friends with|them and she met Sid... {61904}{61945}and it was apparently|love at first sight. {61947}{62028}But they were really bad for each other,|cos Nancy was, you know... {62028}{62094}on the dope for a long time. {62095}{62203}I saw that transition of what|that drug can do to people... {62205}{62292}and courtesy of that Horrible girl,|Nancy Spunge... {62298}{62341}I just saw him completely change. {62344}{62410}I'm too tired {62417}{62481}I'll do it tomorrow {62509}{62566}I loved the Pistols because of their... {62572}{62637}again like The Ramones... {62643}{62703}although in a very|not American way... {62705}{62853}the Pistols were very incredibly|reductive to emotions, anger... {62854}{62947}3 chords, you know,|just the kind of damaged... {62947}{63035}sound of rock 'n' roll|being very reduced... {63037}{63078}was so beautiful to me. {63084}{63199}It became clear that lyrics were very|important to these bands you know... {63201}{63246}they were dealing with... {63268}{63316}you know, every day matters... {63336}{63493}in a very erudite and poetic|fashion I thought... {63494}{63548}especially when you'd got to read... {63548}{63624}Joe Strummer's lyrics|and things like that, you know. {63633}{63704}Steel shoes on the stone cold floor {63710}{63789}I hear the screws screaming|In the corridor {63793}{63859}The bad news|And the slamming of the door {63863}{63944}The what did I dos|And the what am I here fors? {63966}{64085}I took my existing poems and read|them at break-neck speed, you know... {64087}{64156}because it seemed|to me that it was part of... {64157}{64240}part of the house style|of punk was fast... {64242}{64282}you know, you had to be fast. {64568}{64611}There's a tower in the heart of London {64628}{64675}With a radio station right at the top {64695}{64741}They don't make the city beat {64756}{64814}They're making all the action stop {64820}{64910}A lot of the influences for the English|punk scene were really... {64912}{64977}mostly home grown, really. {64979}{65043}The kind of glam bands,|like the Ziggy Stardust... {65045}{65100}which was really David Bowie|& The Spiders From Mars... {65102}{65167}Mott The Hoople and|The Sensational Alex Harvey Band. {65170}{65273}White youth, black youth {65275}{65349}Better find another solution {65356}{65422}Tony James and I had a band|called London SS. {65428}{65489}That was like kinda before The Clash... {65490}{65576}and we used to put an advert|in Melody Maker every week... {65580}{65632}saying that anybody|that was into The Stooges... {65633}{65681}the MC5 and The New York Dolls... {65683}{65709}should get in touch with us. {65711}{65761}Bernie brought in this kid one day... {65767}{65825}too good looking I thought|to be in the band... {65832}{65871}and was an art student... {65876}{65932}and it was Paul Simonon|and I thought... {65934}{65977}I looked at Paul and Mick together|and I thought... {65977}{66005}"I've got to get out of this now"... {66007}{66067}cos I could see they were|made for each other. {66079}{66183}It was essentially Tony James|playing bass, Mick Jones guitar... {66185}{66235}and Brian James on guitar. {66250}{66365}And they formed bands like The Damned,|Generation X, The Pretenders... {66367}{66400}and of course, The Clash. {66406}{66462}So don't complain {66467}{66537}About your useless employment {66545}{66590}Jack it in {66625}{66678}Forever tonight {66697}{66748}We started the first Clash album... {66750}{66829}we really didn't want to know anything|and so we just did what we thought... {66833}{66913}we played our tracks that we had,|a few tracks that we had... {66914}{66980}basically our set before|we made our record. {66994}{67045}All across the town|All across the night {67051}{67117}Everybody's driving|With full headlights {67125}{67192}Black or white turn it on|Face the new religion {67196}{67265}Everybody's sitting round|Watching television! {67269}{67336}London's burning with boredom now {67339}{67401}London's burning dial 99999 {67402}{67458}Everyone sees the second record,|given them enough rope... {67460}{67497}as a transitional record... {67499}{67625}and in that time we would go to loads|of places we had never been before... {67627}{67697}and see a lot of the world|that we hadn't seen before... {67698}{67794}and all that goes in towards our|third record, "London Calling"... {67796}{67898}which is sort of like when|we come into our own. {67965}{68045}London Calling|To the faraway towns {68047}{68130}Now that war is declared|And battle come down {68133}{68222}The Pistols were like really angry|and loud and just yelling about it... {68224}{68316}whereas The Clash were angry and loud,|but questioning about it... {68318}{68373}and whereas|the Pistols would just like... {68373}{68436}scream about how, you know,|something was wrong... {68438}{68465}the Clash would kinda say... {68465}{68517}well this is wrong,|but what are you gonna do about it. {68529}{68574}We're a garage band {68663}{68709}We come from garageland {68893}{68946}I remember there were a lot of places|that wouldn't let us play up... {68950}{68991}and down the country,|universities... {68993}{69108}and was probably something they read|that we had a song called "White Riot". {69113}{69138}White Riot {69159}{69188}White Riot {69213}{69241}White Riot {69266}{69292}White Riot {69387}{69441}They thought that we were some sort|of National Front group... {69443}{69463}whereas really... {69463}{69549}the song was about white people getting|up and doing it for themselves... {69550}{69698}as our black neighbours were doing|it for themselves insofar as the riots... {69700}{69840}so it was time for the white people|to get on with their own situation. {69845}{69902}Things got a bit serious after|a couple of years... {69904}{69956}when Martin Webster's|National Front... {69957}{70035}started coming to punk gigs|and trying to recruit people. {70045}{70113}I think that's why we played|the Rock Against Racism gig... {70115}{70172}just too sort of make|it clear that we're actually... {70172}{70229}we're on this side of the fence,|we're not over there. {70350}{70446}What people called|the politicisation of The Clash... {70450}{70535}came from 2 things. {70537}{70595}I would say that Bernard said to us|that we should... {70596}{70640}write about|what we know about... {70641}{70704}and the second thing was|the way that Joe was... {70706}{70762}and he was always|thinking about things like that. {70780}{70895}Strummer thought about the world and|the potential of music... {70897}{71034}as like you know, he's always making|references to radio broadcasts... {71036}{71108}and, you know, this one's|going out to the world. {71161}{71216}He had that kind|of Woody Guthrie thing... {71218}{71315}or a kind of thing that Dylan had|and Bob Marley had... {71317}{71371}and sometimes John Lennon had... {71373}{71502}where they were aware of that power,|but weren't egotistical about it. {71650}{71718}And he had this sense|and he knew and it was true... {71720}{71877}that something he'd think of in a small,|in his basement in Ladbroke Grove... {71878}{72010}had the potential of affecting,|you know, young people particularly... {72010}{72047}all over the planet. {72055}{72113}Know your rights {72155}{72218}These are your rights {72270}{72331}Know your rights {72374}{72421}These are your rights {72577}{72626}Well you're a loudmouth baby {72644}{72662}You better shut it up {72665}{72764}In July of 76 we went to London... {72769}{72830}and we played The Roundhouse. {72849}{72892}I couldn't believe it. {72898}{72993}I said, this is the audience|that The Ramones deserve. {72995}{73106}This is the audience that this music|needs. This is the other half. {73111}{73280}It was just like totally like really|short songs, really hard attack... {73287}{73343}no nonsense and it was just like... {73343}{73419}cut down bare to the bones,|you know... {73421}{73471}and that was inspiring. {73475}{73556}There were members of The Clash,|the Sex Pistols. {73558}{73631}Sid Vicious learnt how to play the|guitar by listening to The Ramones... {73633}{73693}and just staying up|for 3 nights on speed... {73694}{73732}and playing along|to The Ramones records... {73737}{73798}and The Ramones were the one band|I think that... {73798}{73848}the English punks kind of looked up to. {73850}{73889}And I remember saying to Joey,|and he was like... {73891}{73920}"Oh, they really liked|us in England"... {73922}{73970}but I was like but who cares,|its England, you know. {74070}{74132}Why don't we just get? {74134}{74195}Why don't we have that? {74197}{74258}Why don't we have {74302}{74388}The first rehearsal I went to we had|hardly had no songs... {74389}{74546}we could hardly play and we started with|a Ramones song, Blitz, "Blitzkrieg Bop". {74555}{74601}Typical girls {74612}{74711}Get upset too quickly|Typical girls {74721}{74821}Typical girls can't control themselves|Typical girls {74823}{74891}The Slits were one of the best bands|in the punk scene... {74935}{75019}for my money and again they were|just so makeshift. {75026}{75158}We were different from other girls|because of our lyrics... {75160}{75272}and because of our, the way we dressed|and our attitude and everything. {75278}{75339}I need some money to borrow {75357}{75430}But surely I'll give it back to you|Tomorrow {75444}{75603}We did not enjoy any other girl|images that were around... {75605}{75749}so we stripped down all the conditioning|and punk helped us to do that. {75816}{75849}We're emotional {75980}{76059}There was a scene already|but The Roxy was where it all kind of... {76059}{76083}it was focused in on. {76089}{76129}Suddenly you had the place to play. {76134}{76233}The Roxy was really officially|started on January 1st in 1977... {76235}{76259}with The Clash opening. {76260}{76322}It was a place where the groups could|actually get up on stage... {76324}{76363}and play in front of an audience. {76429}{76467}Now comes the break up {76479}{76541}Make up|From the make up {76557}{76617}Just like the devil's rain {76630}{76667}So musical. {76840}{76919}There was a disc jockey at the time,|Don Letts. {76924}{77011}His record collection was heavily|based on dub and reggae... {77028}{77126}and there was no real|punk records around. {77130}{77222}It was Don diving into his collection|and magically it worked. {77224}{77340}He would play the real roots culture|rock reggae, the real dub... {77340}{77448}and that's how a lot of the|punky reggae evolved later on. {77462}{77560}So reggae was the sort of sound|track to the whole punk scene. {77562}{77598}At least it was in London. {77599}{77644}I mean no one would listen|to anything else that I know of. {77769}{77870}It gave you an attitude|that you could tag on to. {77872}{77944}That's how I learnt how to play,|was playing along to reggae records. {77952}{78037}All the guys that were working behind|the bar were living up in Forest Hill... {78039}{78104}with Don Letts, myself,|we all stayed up there. {78109}{78160}Everyone always was hanging|out in Don's room... {78161}{78206}cos he had all|the records and stuff. {78208}{78271}Everyone that was hanging out there|got in some band or another. {78290}{78331}I know Arianna came up there... {78333}{78367}some of The Slits would be up there. {78380}{78414}The Clash would be up there. {78416}{78451}That was the beauty of that scene. {78456}{78538}Everyone got a band together|and everyone was in a band... {78540}{78602}and everyone you know was trying|to get a band together... {78604}{78649}and you probably played|with half of them. {78657}{78730}Oh bondage up yours {78735}{78773}Would they break up? {78952}{79065}Too be honest, I found some of the|elements at The Roxy quite disturbing. {79071}{79145}Oh bondage up yours {79148}{79230}Oh bondage no more {79232}{79287}Oh bondage up yours {79297}{79367}Oh bondage no more {79368}{79467}I thought I was in hell down there. It|was like going into the nether regions. {79608}{79662}Fifteen years|For the guildford four {79677}{79737}Innocent people sent them off to jail {79739}{79764}We didn't make any money... {79766}{79852}cos the bar staff were selling spliffs|behind the bar and not any drink. {79856}{79942}Certainly speed, I think, was the,|the drug of choice... {79944}{80040}and when The Heartbreakers came over,|they were all taking smack... {80042}{80126}and so, of course, everyone was|in the toilets anyway shooting speed... {80149}{80212}and then when the smack came|into the scene... {80230}{80300}that was, kind of|punk was over after that. {80561}{80658}It only lasted 100 days;|officially 100 days of The Roxy... {80660}{80714}because of, things went|so fast in those days. {80720}{80810}By the time the ball was really|going for everybody... {80812}{80918}it was just... it was starting to get|a little bit cliched. {80920}{80963}Suddenly the whole country|knew about it... {80963}{81008}and then everybody|would turn up at gigs... {81009}{81078}with what they assumed|was the punk rock look... {81080}{81123}which meant the safety|pin in the cheek... {81129}{81215}and like a black bin|liner for clothes... {81217}{81268}but then again,|you look at the groups... {81272}{81338}none of those groups|had safety pins in their cheeks... {81340}{81442}none of them had a bin liner so this was|a whole tabloid thing that was made up. {81447}{81506}It became a little|bit regimented later on... {81507}{81586}when everyone was kind of wearing|leather jackets with studs... {81587}{81625}and Mohicans and|all this stuff. {81632}{81712}Oh shit arse|Arse {81742}{81858}Punk Rock itself actually got a bit|nasty didn't it towards the end... {81860}{81922}especially with all|the tabloid sort of... {81922}{81988}you know,|all this gobbing, spitting, hate... {81990}{82077}and Sid killing himself and Nancy|and all this weird stuff. {82082}{82170}For the small amount of people that... {82170}{82275}were really integral|to the beginning of it... {82283}{82360}I suppose we had all|moved on really. {82361}{82389}Punk inherently... {82389}{82497}was gonna have a short life span cause|the beauty of Punk music anyway... {82499}{82551}was that that fact that|no one could really play very good... {82552}{82590}and what happens is... {82592}{82663}that if you get into|a band and you actually like playing... {82664}{82738}and you want to make|music your life... {82740}{82804}or well we didn't think|in terms of careers... {82806}{82843}but if you wanted to pursue that... {82845}{82906}then inevitable you got|better at your craft. {82988}{83122}It is time for you to stop|With of all your sorrows {83181}{83352}It is time for you to stop|All of your sobbing {83357}{83393}The Pistols and The Clash... {83410}{83443}what was happening there... {83445}{83483}there was an energy there... {83483}{83581}a forcefulness there about what they|were doing and determination about it... {83587}{83653}that really I could tie into... {83654}{83758}the same kind of cultural revolution|and energy... {83760}{83785}that was in New York. {83806}{83908}There was a difference|and yet there was a sense of... {83910}{83990}now an international|community of thought. {84002}{84077}The immigration departament|tried to protect us from them... {84078}{84152}denying them visas for a few days|late in December... {84153}{84212}but now they're here|and they're loose to Pommerland... {84214}{84289}They're the Sex Pistols,|the British punk rock group... {84291}{84377}that began their first American|concert tour last night in Atlanta. {84394}{84461}They had this whole|hype around them... {84463}{84579}where they were the craziest|band in history... {84581}{84665}and people were afraid to be|in the same room as them... {84667}{84740}so the first half of|the tour was cancelled... {84742}{84801}and they ended|up opening in Atlanta... {84803}{84845}and the police kept warning them... {84845}{84929}that if they kept trying to piss|on the stage or throwing up on stage... {84931}{84996}or raping any women,|they're going right to jail. {85025}{85099}It's pretty far from|what the reality was. {85101}{85249}They were, were not that crazy on stage,|until they got to San Antonio... {85251}{85337}at this place Randy's Rodeo|was a converted bowling alley... {85339}{85413}and there was about|2,000 rednecks there... {85419}{85483}who each and every one|of them wanted... {85485}{85578}to personally beat the crap|out of the Sex Pistols. {85586}{85697}They didn't help matters because Johnny|was wearing a t-shirt... {85699}{85791}that had 2 gay cowboys having|sex with each other... {85792}{85916}and the audience was just throwing|full beer cans and food... {85918}{85987}and anything they could get their|hands on at the Pistols... {85989}{86058}and the Pistols just kept going. {86064}{86158}Sid would take a full beer|can right off the teeth... {86168}{86245}and spit on somebody|and the crowd loved it. {86250}{86300}They'd just done|the most successful thing... {86300}{86344}they'd achieved|what every band wants. {86346}{86409}They came as a new band,|starting in a couple of clubs... {86411}{86493}ending up the last day playing|a huge theatre in San Francisco... {86495}{86561}to a giant audience|and then broke up. {86564}{86612}Here's an interesting|thing that happened. {86614}{86663}Punk rock. Boom.|It comes out. {86665}{86730}Then the Sex Pistols break up.|Johnny Lydon forms Public lmage... {86732}{86786}which to me is infinitely more|interesting than the Sex Pistols. {86848}{86922}You never listen to a word|That I say {86924}{86989}You only see me|For the clothes that I wear {86994}{87044}Some really interesting|musicians came out of punk rock. {87050}{87121}Like they really wanted to do|some music and all of a sudden... {87138}{87200}Howard Devoto morphs|out of the Buzzcocks. {87202}{87297}He has Magazine, with a really|challenging brew of music. {87299}{87328}Shot {87344}{87400}By both sides {87413}{87462}We must have come {87475}{87539}To a secret understanding {87580}{87678}They got a bucket full|of grief from their fans... {87680}{87728}and you find out|that punk rockers... {87729}{87818}were some of the narrow-minded people|on the face of the earth. {87819}{87898}Talk about you grow your hair too long.|What are you, a hippy now? {87900}{87934}And we found it in America. {87936}{87996}You try something on,|you put a guitar solo in a song... {87998}{88080}the song is longer than a minute and a|half. And all of a sudden, what's that? {88082}{88133}You know. Freebird?|You're like... {88134}{88192}God, come on, give us|a little room. No. {88570}{88665}My little girl was born|On a ray of sound {88755}{88901}My little girl was born|On a ray of sound {88922}{89037}We were very much connected with|the whole English post-punk thing. {89039}{89159}I mean, it seemed to me they had,|they'd heard the New York bands. {89161}{89208}I mean it was very similar|to the punk thing. {89221}{89258}The Rough Trade bands... {89259}{89323}The Raincoats and The Pop Group|and Gang of Four... {89325}{89411}and those bands were|extremely powerful for us. {89413}{89454}The Fall, you know,|from Manchester. {89456}{89527}I mean these were just|different ideas coming out... {89529}{89657}that weren't just, you know,|the it wasn't "Pretty Vacant". {89667}{89801}You can see|See, see, see, see, see, see {89806}{89897}The new wave scene was probably|best personified by James Chance. {89897}{89972}I remember I beat him up one night.|I don't know why. {90007}{90034}He had 2 black eyes... {90036}{90087}which probably improved|his looks a little. {90093}{90140}I'll tell you how I got started. {90163}{90217}It was one of the first|Contortions gigs. {90221}{90275}It was in like this,|this sort of hall you know... {90277}{90324}and there wasn't|any stage or anything... {90324}{90393}and all these people were like just|like sitting on the floor. {90460}{90555}And if there is one thing I can't stand,|it's people sitting on the floor... {90555}{90581}at one of my shows... {90590}{90680}and so I just started wading|out into the audience and... {90681}{90732}and pulling them up|to their feet, you know. {90796}{90827}You gotta put me back {90862}{90897}In my cage {90901}{90956}And that didn't even seem|to get them very upset... {90956}{91000}so I just started|slapping them and stuff. {91002}{91102}You know, I really was just trying to|get a reaction out of these people... {91104}{91184}and then later on we would have|somebody who would come on and like... {91184}{91206}like drag me back... {91208}{91248}after I had been|in the audience for a while. {91347}{91487}James Chance was doing his sort|of James Brown thing... {91489}{91586}with people who really were,|at the time, non musicians... {91588}{91701}and he like the idea of them|making scratchy, scrawky noise. {91711}{91769}A satisfactory pleasure {91803}{91863}And it hurts more than pain {91885}{91963}I got what it takes {91975}{92031}To drive you insane {92032}{92104}By 1980 punk was|really over because... {92104}{92183}one, all the New York bands got signed|and were on tour... {92184}{92233}so there wasn't a scene|at CBGB's anymore. {92241}{92343}Patti left the scene,|Television pretty much disbanded... {92345}{92436}Blondie became new wave,|if not disco. {92442}{92601}So, I don't know, I mean, at least,|as far as I'm concerned, well then... {92603}{92634}fuck it... {92636}{92730}I'll start a fucking band|and I wanted to challenge people... {92731}{92798}and I wanted to mess|with their heads. {92813}{92844}I wanted to fuck them up. {92846}{92879}One, two, three, four. {92938}{92977}Theoretical girls {93032}{93076}Theoretical girls {93078}{93163}The new wave scene was, was really|hated by most people I knew... {93166}{93229}who were into the punk rock scene. {93231}{93353}It's like, it was, I had friends that,|it's not music, it's ugly... {93355}{93392}it sounds bad, it's like horrible. {93397}{93446}If you want to find what the sound|of new wave was... {93448}{93483}it was truly DNA. {93485}{93567}It was truly the band that|broke completely from everything... {93569}{93682}everything that was happening in punk|and with Teenage Jesus... {93684}{93800}I mean, my God, I mean, that's just|indefinable what the hell she was doing. {93804}{93885}A very interesting music, but not|something you could really dance to. {93956}{93982}Alright, alright. {94053}{94123}- Who the hell are you?|- We're the band. {94136}{94179}The band?|Where's your instruments? {94218}{94244}What the... {94265}{94383}In New York, punk rock became really|equated with hip hop in a way. {94388}{94524}And there was a period in the late 70's,|especially in the early, early 80's... {94529}{94659}where those 2 scenes merged,|hip hop and, and punk rock in New York. {94660}{94686}At least socially. {94688}{94750}Like with Rick Rubin getting|involved with Run DMC... {94752}{94818}and The Clash getting involved|with hip hop. {94825}{94913}You gotta fight|For your right {94935}{94972}To party {94974}{95015}They had records,|they had turntables. {95025}{95061}They found 2 turntables... {95062}{95131}you could take a piece of this on|and a piece of this on... {95133}{95165}and that was|their instrumentation. {95168}{95193}Take the power {95239}{95265}Take the power {95284}{95309}Take the power {95313}{95385}Hip hop had a completely|different attitude... {95387}{95444}because it really had its eye on... {95455}{95514}being really|a communication tool... {95515}{95631}but at the same time it had no problems|with going for the gold... {95633}{95694}and that was the difference|I always noticed. {95696}{95778}Punk rock was sort|of embarrassed by riches. {95968}{96031}Come back some day {96056}{96132}Back for a time {96152}{96236}Thanks to Glen Branca you have|Sonic Youth, in my opinion. {96242}{96350}I mean for at least 2 years no one came|to their fucking concerts. {96364}{96451}You know, it was their constant|perseverance... {96454}{96558}and touring and getting|records out... {96558}{96650}and ambition that drove|them to where they are. {96655}{96780}And I know|There's something down there sugar soul {96782}{96860}Back to the cross a twisted lane {96867}{96944}There something down there sugar kane {96953}{97055}But that was the point that labels|just stopped paying any attention... {97057}{97163}to people who in the Sixties'd've been|like Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. {97166}{97228}And that was when the music got|very interesting to me. {97230}{97285}That's when, that's when|the rubber hit the road... {97285}{97340}and all of a sudden|these guys are going... {97341}{97432}"Screw ya, I'm going for|the music instead of what you think... {97432}{97469}and what the genre wants". {97573}{97633}Now that the spiky hair has gone... {97634}{97672}I see that you're a well read guy... {97674}{97768}cos now you can do songs that|show me you're a real artist. {97770}{97816}I can see that you're|into different stuff. {97837}{97925}Oh you're a Dadaist now, ok.|I'm very interested. {98200}{98237}By the end of, say... {98253}{98315}maybe mid 79... {98317}{98402}the only people playing|punk music left... {98404}{98466}were the people who really|wanted to be there... {98468}{98513}and so their was a big split... {98515}{98574}which means that punk|went more underground... {98576}{98667}and got more intense|more purist in a way... {98669}{98714}which is both good and bad... {98715}{98767}and more hardcore. {98770}{98820}The genre hardcore... {98821}{98954}it's American as, you know,|fake wars and apple pie and baseball. {98959}{98996}Gotta, gotta, gotta go {99003}{99110}It's when that fuck|yeah guy got a guitar. {99155}{99215}He does that in|the 7:11 parking lot. {99232}{99295}What the fuck you looking at?|That's his band. {99304}{99347}Ok, now he's got a guitar. {99351}{99417}Bands that I love,|that I consider hard core punk... {99419}{99463}and it's probably the best|way to say it... {99464}{99533}were bands like Black Flag,|Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys. {99535}{99598}They were a phenomenal band;|they had so much to say. {99619}{99721}Zen fascists will control you|100% natural {99723}{99806}They've got this sick sense|of humour that other people have... {99808}{99881}but they're not showing in their bands.|What can I do with that? {99965}{100088}Plus, what would happen if I took|the horror of Alice Cooper... {100090}{100192}but made it about real things|that happen to people. {100193}{100278}Instead of vampires and monsters... {100302}{100347}police brutality. {100362}{100392}Soon I will be president {100399}{100442}Carter Power will soon go away {100451}{100546}California Uber Alles, California|Uber Alles, Uber Alles {100560}{100621}I mean, there was punk and then there|was more extreme punk... {100623}{100659}and people were calling|it hardcore. {100722}{100828}They were surfers, they were|skateboarders and, in some cases... {100830}{100905}they were very violent surfers|and skateboarders... {100913}{100987}so out came the song,|"Nazi Punks Fuck Off". {100996}{101060}Nazi punks, Nazi punks|Nazi Fuck Off {101062}{101128}Nazi punks, Nazi punks|Nazi Fuck Off {101139}{101233}The Dead Kennedys also got tagged|with that hardcore punk thing. {101234}{101333}Most people'd concur that it was kick|started by the appearance of The Damned. {101340}{101424}They came here very early|in April 1977... {101436}{101469}caused a sensation. {101471}{101499}The Bags came up. {101510}{101593}The Bags, The Germs, The Weirdos... {101621}{101648}The Screamers, you know. {101650}{101742}Another great band that actually|never recorded... {101744}{101793}but was just one of these biggest... {101793}{101856}disappeared,|undocumented legends of all time. {102033}{102089}They got me out of the pain {102103}{102204}The Screamers were one of the most|important influences on Dead Kennedys. {102211}{102273}As I said, there was both... {102275}{102321}was British|stuff influencing us... {102323}{102431}but also there so many things right in|our back yard that are largely unknown. {102435}{102479}The Screamers show, I think... {102481}{102542}was probably my first punk rock|show that I went to... {102544}{102598}official punk rock band,|punk rock show. {102648}{102706}Mary Quant is not what I want {102779}{102833}How can I feel for Miss Emma Peel? {102915}{102953}Every scene needs centre... {102968}{103081}every scene needs a set|of characters, a club house. {103083}{103114}I think, without The Masque... {103116}{103179}it wouldn't have grown,|it wouldn't have flourished. {103181}{103212}There was, you know, a bit of... {103212}{103313}the glam rock fleet from West LA|that coerced around The Germs... {103315}{103390}the art school crowd that coerced|around The Weirdos. {103782}{103853}East coast, dirty cities, small,|a lot of people, you know... {103855}{103935}people living high,|stacked on top of each other. {103936}{103978}A lot of street crime,|polluted skies... {103980}{104051}the ocean comes up to your ankle|and there's a dead guy floating in it. {104054}{104174}To California, sun, fun, beautiful|girls, surfing and punk rock. {104176}{104294}How can you have sun, hot chicks,|surf boards, oranges and punk rock? {104298}{104384}A lot of people mistakenly think that,|because it's happening in California... {104386}{104408}sunny California... {104410}{104481}where kids are at the beach,|that they have great lives... {104483}{104590}but, you know, you can have|a messed up life anywhere. {104598}{104709}From the East Coast|To the West Coast {104715}{104781}Gotta, gotta, gotta go {104793}{104824}On the East Coast... {104826}{104908}often it's a little faster|beat per minute... {104910}{104960}just cos East Coast people,|like what like I am... {104962}{105037}we talk faster,|we talk more... {105039}{105076}we're more in your face. {105078}{105106}"Fuck you" means "fuck you"... {105108}{105153}not, "Hey let's do|lunch next week". {105155}{105220}It's on and the music|reflects it. {105222}{105285}Agnostic Front could've never|have come out of LA. {105287}{105362}Can't keep touch with you or me {105364}{105407}Gotta, gotta, gotta go {105409}{105489}It kind of went from punk,|to the new wave, to the arty stuff... {105490}{105534}and we were really|nothing about that. {105535}{105579}You know,|we just wanted pure aggression. {105581}{105655}You know, we started doing the circle|pits and stuff and slam dancing. {105678}{105735}Crucified|Straight that arm {105736}{105776}Crucified for your sins {105788}{105842}Crucified|Straight that arm {105844}{105886}Crucified for your sins {105912}{106030}Guys touching each other,|sweating, flesh... {106042}{106134}pectoral muscles.|Very homo erotic. {106136}{106244}You say, fellas, stop fighting,|get a room. Get it over with. {106375}{106420}But lyrically now there was changes. {106421}{106489}It was bands like Minor Threat,|coming up with saying... {106491}{106546}like there was|a straight element... {106548}{106630}which they considered no drink, no|smoke, no fuck, whatever that was about. {106767}{106878}The Straighter scene was coined,|say in Washington DC... {106879}{106921}with the Teen Idols or Minor Threat. {106927}{106975}We don't drink,|we don't smoke, we don't fuck. {106987}{107043}You know, it was,|it was a way of self-control. {107140}{107194}It was a counter-culture|to the counter-culture. {107291}{107310}Fugazi. {107319}{107371}It's one of, it's one of|lan MacKaye many bands. {107373}{107399}Lan had the Teen Idols. {107401}{107500}Lan had Minor Threat, which was a huge,|hugely influential band in this country. {107618}{107667}Fugazi has a few things... {107668}{107735}they did and did not|do which were huge. {107737}{107834}First off, Fugazi will not do an|interview in any publication... {107836}{107904}that has ads that have|liquor or tobacco in them. {107917}{107979}So Rolling Stone's like, pretty please,|can we do an interview? {107981}{108070}Sorry. Can you do an issue with|no liquor or tobacco? {108072}{108103}No.|Then we can't talk to you. {108553}{108672}Time time time|Forever time {108674}{108760}Black Flag was hanging around. They|were like the 2nd generation of bands. {108762}{108797}They were... {108821}{108849}This was even pre-Henry... {108851}{108909}cos Henry was in Washington DC. {108910}{108944}This was... {109000}{109074}the first generation|of the band. Keith Morris. {109074}{109192}We always had this like,|go for it attitude, like... {109207}{109293}you can't wait around or somebody|to do something for you. {109299}{109346}You have to do it for yourself... {109353}{109425}and I think a lot of that came out|in the Black Flag music. {109455}{109507}At first|Relax {109509}{109577}Get set|Get your message from time {109586}{109676}Time, time {109678}{109757}When Black Flag started in 79... {109763}{109897}I think Henry Rollins joined,|I think it was 1982... {109903}{109976}so Henry's comes into it. {109977}{110023}He's more an East Coast figure... {110035}{110058}you know... {110074}{110161}I think his punk credentials came|more from the Washington DC side of it. {110165}{110206}There's songs about cops... {110207}{110265}there's songs about killing yourself,|there's songs about depression... {110267}{110325}the women who leave,|the car has no brakes... {110327}{110384}and we're flooring it and|we're gonna hit something. {110386}{110428}So what?|It's Black Flag. {110461}{110531}I walk by your house {110551}{110593}To see if you were at home {110608}{110693}They were the band|that was smart enough to tour. {110695}{110755}Actually they got their shit together|after tour. {110757}{110796}So that really helped them a lot. {110807}{110835}And helped us all a lot. {110839}{110898}Black Flag's going through;|The Dead Kennedys are going through... {110900}{110956}the independent labels are|all swapping records. {110958}{111032}Many, you know, independent|distribution is coming along. {111033}{111142}America kind of ignites between|Summer of 79 and Summer of 81 and bam. {111296}{111393}One night a band from|Washington came up here... {111440}{111547}and they were a black band|and they were playing. {111591}{111656}Well, they said they were|a hard rock band, a punk band... {111658}{111703}and this was the Bad Brains. {111712}{111757}You see, I had people telling me|I played hardcore. {111759}{111791}I never knew the fuck|what hardcore was. {111793}{111834}I never even said|hardcore in my life. {111846}{111926}I always thought hardcore was porno,|like triple x, or whatever. {112042}{112162}The Bad Brains sound is a sound|of punk rock from the Dead Boys... {112164}{112223}a combination of Ramones,|Sex Pistols and Dead Boys. {112403}{112498}What you got in hardcore is the Bad|Brains starting out playing punk rock... {112500}{112535}and getting faster. {112537}{112604}For some reason,|if the drummer's bored, Earl... {112606}{112632}he want to go talk|to a girl... {112634}{112673}he might play|the songs all fast. {112675}{112714}I might be on stage|looking at him, like... {112716}{112762}Dude, you're pissing me off.|Man, come on. {112764}{112831}The next thing you know, it became and|created like a genre, you know. {112833}{112857}The speed. {113126}{113175}The music is fast we want to try|and play a little faster... {113181}{113221}but if the music gets|smooth right here... {113223}{113254}we've got to make|it nice and smooth. {113256}{113330}If the music is gonna get buck wow right|here, then its got to get buck wow. {113475}{113555}Here you had Puerto Rican skinheads... {113557}{113613}you had Jewish skinheads,|you had Black skinheads. {113645}{113802}Nobody is gonna get up on stage|and be against anybody here... {113809}{113907}otherwise they would be torn|off the stage and thrown out. {113914}{113983}I never really once heard|anybody go "Nigger!" {113991}{114026}Actually it happened|to me in England. {114027}{114056}A kid, we're playing England... {114058}{114112}and he said,|"Fucking Yankee nigger, go home". {114113}{114150}Spit, spit on me and shit. {114156}{114194}I jumped down and punched|him in the face. {114297}{114369}Punk was now on the news,|in the news. {114371}{114447}Everybody knew what it was,|or thought they knew what it was. {114453}{114498}Right around 92... {114500}{114558}everyone just curled up and... {114558}{114652}started having their stomachs|scratched by Sony... {114654}{114736}and they kinda went|and old people like me, are going... {114738}{114826}you know, "Back in my day|we would've blown that up". {114828}{114885}And they're like,|"Shut up, you old man". And I, "Ok". {114889}{114957}You pick up these punk books,|you never see what's going on... {114959}{115018}between. They'll, they'll start|like mentioning the Pistols... {115020}{115102}and they'll mention like DC bands|like maybe Black Flag. {115105}{115139}And then it's quiet... {115141}{115209}and they always say that|and then it's like nothing happened... {115211}{115301}until this little band from Seattle|got formed and came the late 80's. {115309}{115352}It's like a secret history, you know. {115354}{115405}It's like nobody really knows|what happened in the 80's... {115407}{115455}cause there's really|not much mutation... {115455}{115509}of exactly what|happened in underground music. {115518}{115565}I'll tell you what happened|in those 10 years. {115566}{115661}There's bands like our who were having|the roughest times of us lives... {115663}{115695}who believed in what|we believed in... {115696}{115774}and still to date we're pursuing|our beliefs... {115776}{115855}and everything and touring|and putting out our records... {115857}{115956}but the crowds are a lot smaller, very|underground, very true like always... {115958}{115999}but that's the core|of the audience... {116001}{116052}the core of the people. {116055}{116154}So in the 80's you had this|gigantic underground movement. {116156}{116234}Now eventually that, the underground|movement would turn into... {116234}{116282}Nirvana, you know. {116297}{116391}I mean, Nirvana didn't sell|10 million records because... {116391}{116455}you know,|they were so fucking great... {116457}{116514}which they were, which they were... {116516}{116639}but that audience had been building|for more than 10 years. {116643}{116746}It was almost as if Nirvana|had taken all the lessons of the past... {116753}{116907}and synthesised them down into|their band and into their music... {116917}{117040}in a way it was palatable|for the masses. {117085}{117118}The title itself... {117128}{117200}it's not about punk, it is punk. {117205}{117282}All of a sudden to have a band|like Nirvana sort of come out... {117284}{117437}it, it completely was great|in the way that it's very galvanised. {117447}{117515}Everything that had been going|on in those 10 years... {117517}{117567}but historians can only|look at it... {117569}{117603}as that moment... {117604}{117689}because they don't know really|what it, where it came from. {117691}{117740}They think it comes from a void.|It didn't come out of a void. {117744}{117868}Kurt Cobain and the Seattle scene|tapped into a vast... {117869}{117938}chunk of white American youth... {117940}{117993}who were depressed, bummed out... {117995}{118085}and here is a guy who looks|like them, comes from them... {118087}{118159}sings for them, about them|and to them... {118161}{118224}and all of a sudden you|have a Nirvana shirt on. {118229}{118261}There just were good, you know... {118263}{118350}and it was great because no one could|understand what they were saying... {118358}{118432}you know, it sounded like about mashed|potatoes or something, I remember. {118434}{118552}That's when MTV came|along and really broke out. {118566}{118617}And I think they needed|someone like Nirvana... {118619}{118695}who's actually a good rock|and roll band to get behind... {118706}{118823}much to Kurt Cobain's displeasure|because he ended up killing himself... {118825}{118885}because he had all these jerks|hanging around him. {118890}{119014}He swung his guitar and the industry|in one year had to go reset. {119014}{119070}You're dropped, you're dropped,|you're dropped, you're dropped. {119072}{119130}You're hair's too long, you better|cut it or you're dropped... {119131}{119186}and all of a sudden,|Alice In Chains are signed. {119187}{119256}Soundgarden are signed.|Nirvana. {119257}{119301}And they're all going multi platinum. {119307}{119356}It basically people who are... {119358}{119449}it's not rock|inspired punk bands. {119451}{119528}A lot of what got big,|especially through Nirvana... {119530}{119602}was punk inspired rock bands. {119914}{120033}Shortly after that is when bands|like Green Day became million sellers... {120035}{120135}and bands like Rancid came|out of nowhere... {120137}{120264}and that led to bands like Blink|182 and Sum 41 that we have today. {120283}{120347}Let's take some time to talk this over {120349}{120404}You're out of line and rarely sober {120406}{120466}We can't depend on your excuses {120468}{120525}Cause in the end it's fucking useless {120527}{120575}It was like ok... {120577}{120691}now the media has finally said|oh punk rock happened now. {120706}{120830}Nirvana, Sonic Youth and|the year that punk broke... {120861}{120979}basically was the doors... {120988}{121138}of all the major label, major|record companies basically saying... {121140}{121164}"Come on in". {121166}{121226}Freakin' me out|You wear a mask {121232}{121288}You're freakin' me out|You wear a mask called {121290}{121352}Counterfeit, you're freakin' me out|You wear a mask {121359}{121409}The core music to me|is very formulaic. {121410}{121514}You have your breakdown section,|a little rap thing, and a DJ guy... {121516}{121586}and like its all this and|I want like this and that and "Dooh"! {121587}{121632}Because I'm a... {121634}{121672}And the crowds are bouncing. {121788}{121840}That's right|It's freak, it's freak {121863}{121927}You're like, this is a no-brainer. {121928}{122011}If I was 17 this would probably|be my favourite band... {122025}{122135}and the pay-off on those songs|when that big guitar comes in... {122145}{122168}you can't help it... {122170}{122248}you're like, hell yeah,|let's go wreck something. {122375}{122424}Punk completely changed my life. {122432}{122472}It changed my attitude|to culture... {122474}{122541}it changed my attitude towards|what was possible... {122543}{122623}and I think I learnt to go against|the system a little bit. {122630}{122737}Punk proved to people and|it is now ingrained in people... {122743}{122829}that what they thought was impossible,|is not impossible. {122834}{122900}You didn't have to wait|to start doing something. {122905}{122964}If you wanted to do it,|you could try doing it. {122966}{123054}Punk rock gave me a platform|to put a band together... {123056}{123092}and do it my way... {123115}{123186}and that was good for|an 18-year-old kid. {123190}{123307}Kids are still wanting the same|thing as they wanted back then. {123309}{123357}Something to express|what they're feeling. {123359}{123438}They get all this information|from MTV and VH1... {123440}{123475}and that's their history of rock... {123477}{123576}and they find out that, like,|well it's like everything else. {123578}{123635}It's like school.|You're not really getting the full story. {123637}{123681}They were introduced|to it as a package. {123683}{123707}They... you know... {123709}{123828}the business turned|it into a commodity, if you will. {123831}{123940}There's a lot of manufactured|anger these days, if you ask me. {124140}{124185}When you can make|a dollar off it... {124187}{124276}it gets uploaded into|the cultural lexicon... {124278}{124377}the slang becomes your normal|patois of the day. {124386}{124423}You know, grunge become... {124424}{124462}you know,|Mom knows grunge now. {124464}{124518}As soon as Mom knows how|to say grunge, gotta go. {124522}{124614}Back then it, it was very|much considered an anti-establishment... {124615}{124710}and it seems that today most|of the bands... {124711}{124783}that to form are, want to be part|of the establishment. {124791}{124884}What they pay you for now is being|stupid and making people stupider. {125051}{125096}It's easy for a young person|today to say fuck you. {125098}{125142}I'm 43.|I'm still saying fuck you. {125145}{125188}I'm like still pissed|at something. {125193}{125236}You know, whatever you've got,|I'm mad at it. {125258}{125304}Where's the political awakening? {125306}{125364}At this point on the planet... {125365}{125469}it seems that 80�/ of the people|are fucking asleep, you know. {125475}{125619}Don't ask me why the cataclysmic state|of the environment hasn't... {125646}{125727}galvanised and, you know, mobilised|people into doing something. {125732}{125813}The more severe,|the political landscape becomes... {125815}{125867}the more repressive... {125876}{125976}the more valuable that|the imagination becomes. {126019}{126144}It possible that music|is not really the expression of it... {126146}{126272}now as far as relating to world,|what's happening in the world. {126274}{126364}People people doing visual arts, people|doing literature, people doing film. {126365}{126485}You know, Michael Moore making|that movie against Bush is really punk. {126486}{126558}Punk definitely had|a major influence... {126560}{126683}in the eruption of militant|anti-corporate activism... {126685}{126777}that first came to light over|here in the Seattle protest. {126847}{126915}The actual whole Internet|is a very punk idea. {126921}{126959}Because of the Internet... {126959}{127048}the record companies are losing|their power to be king makers. {127053}{127133}You can go make your own records,|you can go put them out yourself. {127135}{127179}You can build your|own little website. {127180}{127251}You can do all these|things by yourself. {127257}{127357}Fuck you to corporations,|fuck you to branding everything... {127359}{127433}and fuck you to corporations|having dictatorial control... {127437}{127493}over society and governments. {127655}{127721}Being able to look people|in the eye and say fuck you. {127723}{127807}I don't care what you think.|I'm doing what I want to do. {127837}{127944}To have that to hold onto|is really important to move forwards. {127950}{127991}That's the whole idea... {127993}{128083}is to take the whole spirit|and inspiration... {128085}{128147}and do your own thing with it. {128259}{128379}All you need is one guy or girl|to stand up and say fuck this... {128381}{128431}and everyone goes,|Voice of a Generation. {128432}{128465}Thank you, I've been thinking that... {128467}{128512}I never had the guts|to stand up and say it. {128518}{128682}You only need 5% or less to like|embrace ideas and change it... {128684}{128750}you know, change the way|people think all over again. {128760}{128794}It becomes a lineage. {128795}{128887}These people find each other|and this time-line grows. {128930}{129011}Know your rights {129013}{129060}All three of them {129117}{129154}Number 1 {129175}{129271}You have the right not to be killed {129336}{129393}Murder is a crime! {129443}{129488}Unless it was done {129554}{129644}By a policeman {129660}{129731}Or an aristocrat {129733}{129825}Know your rights {129876}{129926}And Number 2 {129990}{130091}You have the right to food money {130128}{130328}Providing of course you don't mind|A little investigation, humiliation {130346}{130399}And if you cross your fingers {130428}{130500}Rehabilitation {130537}{130589}Know your rights {130641}{130691}These are your rights {130751}{130819}Hey say who I am92234