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Like selling insurance or 9 00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:41,818 accounting. 10 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:43,019 And if banking was boring, 11 00:01:43,145 --> 00:01:45,819 then the bond department at the bank was straight-up comatose. 12 00:01:46,648 --> 00:01:48,025 We all know about bonds. 13 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:50,202 You give them to your snot-nosed kid when he turns 15. 14 00:01:50,277 --> 00:01:52,279 Maybe when he's 30 he makes a hundred bucks. 15 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:53,659 Boring. 16 00:01:53,739 --> 00:01:55,537 That is, until Lewis Ranieri came on the scene 17 00:01:55,616 --> 00:01:56,663 at Salomon Brothers. 18 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:04,842 You might not know who he is, but he changed your life 19 00:02:04,916 --> 00:02:08,637 more than Michael Jordan, the iPod and YouTube put together. 20 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:12,299 All right, gentlemen! Let's get some money in here! 21 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:14,055 Let's make some money! What do you say? 22 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:17,812 You see, Lewis didn't know it yet, 23 00:02:17,888 --> 00:02:19,811 but he had already changed banking forever 24 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:21,107 with one simple idea. 25 00:02:21,892 --> 00:02:26,568 The mortgage-backed security. Or private-label MBS. 26 00:02:27,397 --> 00:02:29,240 You've got your average person's mortgage. 27 00:02:29,316 --> 00:02:30,738 Fixed rate, 3O years. 28 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:34,162 Boring, safe, small payoff, right? But, 29 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:38,166 when you have thousands of them all bundled together, 30 00:02:38,241 --> 00:02:41,791 suddenly the yield goes up but the risk is still small because, 31 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:42,837 well, they're mortgages! 32 00:02:42,913 --> 00:02:44,335 And who the hell doesn't pay their mortgage? 33 00:02:44,414 --> 00:02:46,792 What exactly is the credit rating on this bond? 34 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:49,719 This bond, gentlemen, is AAA-rated. 35 00:02:50,253 --> 00:02:52,927 This is exactly what the Michigan state pension fund has been looking for. 36 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:54,925 I'll buy $20 million. 37 00:02:55,008 --> 00:02:56,180 Oh, come on, live a little. 38 00:02:56,301 --> 00:02:57,928 $25 million. 39 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:00,981 JARED". The money came raining down, 40 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:02,558 and for the first time, 41 00:03:02,641 --> 00:03:05,440 the banker went from the country club to the strip club. 42 00:03:08,063 --> 00:03:11,283 Pretty soon, stocks and savings were almost inconsequential. 43 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,614 - They were doing $50, $100, $200 billion - Whoo! 44 00:03:13,694 --> 00:03:16,322 In mortgage bonds and dozens of other securities a year. 45 00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:28,254 And America barely noticed as its number one industry 46 00:03:28,333 --> 00:03:30,427 became boring old banking. 47 00:03:34,089 --> 00:03:37,593 And then one day, almost 30 years later, in 2008, 48 00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:40,554 it all came crashing down. 49 00:03:43,682 --> 00:03:46,435 FEMALE REPORTER". March. Bear Stearns was in a death spiral 50 00:03:46,518 --> 00:03:47,940 and the Fed brokered its sale. 51 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:51,068 It's been called the worst financial crisis in modern times. 52 00:03:51,398 --> 00:03:55,653 Certainly the largest financial disaster in decades in this country, 53 00:03:55,736 --> 00:03:58,410 and perhaps the end of an era in American business. 54 00:03:58,864 --> 00:04:01,117 JARED". In the end, Lewis Ranierfs mortgage-backed security 55 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:02,872 mutated into a monstrosity that 56 00:04:02,993 --> 00:04:04,666 collapsed the whole world economy. 57 00:04:05,328 --> 00:04:07,296 And none of the experts or leaders or talking heads 58 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:08,669 had a clue it was coming. 59 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:13,137 I'm guessing most of you still don't really know what happened. 60 00:04:13,628 --> 00:04:16,427 Yeah, you got a soundbite you repeat so you don't sound dumb, but come on. 61 00:04:16,506 --> 00:04:18,929 Our financial institutions are strong. 62 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:22,600 But there were some who saw it coming. 63 00:04:22,679 --> 00:04:24,773 While the whole world was having a big old party, 64 00:04:24,848 --> 00:04:28,102 a few outsiders and weirdos saw what no one else could. 65 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:31,780 Not me. I'm not a weirdo. I'm pretty fucking cool. 66 00:04:31,855 --> 00:04:33,857 But we'll meet again tater. 67 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:37,110 These outsiders saw the giant lie at the heart of the economy. 68 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:38,616 And they saw it by doing something 69 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:41,494 the rest of the suckers never thought to do. 70 00:04:42,407 --> 00:04:43,750 They looked. 71 00:04:56,546 --> 00:04:58,890 During the 1930s, 72 00:05:00,509 --> 00:05:05,185 the housing market collapsed nationwide 73 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:08,684 by roughly 80%. 74 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:13,898 I mean, half of all mortgage debt was in default. 75 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,654 And, I mean, there were very 76 00:05:17,776 --> 00:05:21,280 specific identifiers, extremely recognizable. 77 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:25,246 I mean, for instance, 78 00:05:25,367 --> 00:05:28,587 one of the hallmarks of mania 79 00:05:28,912 --> 00:05:30,255 is the rapid rise 80 00:05:30,372 --> 00:05:32,420 in complexity and the rates of fraud. 81 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:35,924 And did you know that they're going up? 82 00:05:39,756 --> 00:05:40,757 Whoo! 83 00:05:55,438 --> 00:05:57,361 I've always been 84 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,442 more comfortable alone. 85 00:06:06,741 --> 00:06:11,372 I believe maybe it's because of my glass eye. 86 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:16,589 I lost the eye in a childhood illness. 87 00:06:20,922 --> 00:06:23,266 It separates me from people. 88 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:29,682 And did you know that they are going 89 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:30,890 up? 90 00:06:30,974 --> 00:06:34,478 The highest fraud rates since the 1930s. 91 00:06:34,561 --> 00:06:36,905 Hey, hey, it's okay. It's okay. 92 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:38,448 No, I didn't know that. 93 00:06:43,153 --> 00:06:47,329 In 1933, the fourth year of the Great Depression. 94 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:49,163 Let's wash it off and put it back in. 95 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:51,210 You were playing so great, son. 96 00:06:51,328 --> 00:06:53,330 I even heard the coach say it. 97 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:56,750 Can we just go home? 98 00:06:56,833 --> 00:07:01,009 Most social interactions are awkward for me and for the person. 99 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:04,591 Even when I try to compliment someone, 100 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:06,051 it comes out wrong. 101 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:10,563 You have a very nice haircut. Did you do it yourself? 102 00:07:10,972 --> 00:07:12,645 What? 103 00:07:12,724 --> 00:07:15,227 No. No, I... 104 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:25,703 I'm sorry. I'm just... 105 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:32,581 I'm going on and on. 106 00:07:32,702 --> 00:07:34,329 My wife told me I need to share more. 107 00:07:34,412 --> 00:07:35,413 Mmm. 108 00:07:36,373 --> 00:07:38,216 - That seems healthy. -Yeah. 109 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:39,292 Mmm-hmm. 110 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:49,803 Uh... 111 00:07:51,012 --> 00:07:52,389 So do I get the job? 112 00:07:52,514 --> 00:07:54,858 I really think I could help your fund. 113 00:07:56,226 --> 00:07:57,603 Yeah. 114 00:07:57,686 --> 00:07:59,313 Yeah, sure. Go on. 115 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:05,277 - You're. .. -David. Great. 116 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,203 I guess I'll go find a desk. 117 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:09,872 Is there anything you want me to work on for start... 118 00:08:10,365 --> 00:08:11,366 Uh... 119 00:08:12,909 --> 00:08:14,286 Yeah. 120 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:16,087 You could let me know later. I could come back. 121 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:23,341 Did you think it was strange when, um, 122 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:25,923 the tech bubble burst in 2001 123 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:28,805 and the housing market in San Jose, 124 00:08:28,883 --> 00:08:31,102 the tech capital of the world, 125 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:34,347 went up? 126 00:08:34,431 --> 00:08:35,478 Wasn't that strange? 127 00:08:35,557 --> 00:08:36,524 No. 128 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:39,193 No, it's housing. Housing is always stable. 129 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:40,316 Low risk. It's solid. 130 00:08:40,395 --> 00:08:42,363 That's the idea, yeah. 131 00:08:42,439 --> 00:08:44,191 I want you to get me 132 00:08:44,274 --> 00:08:47,494 the top 20 selling mortgage bonds. 133 00:08:47,569 --> 00:08:50,413 So you want to know what the top 20 selling mortgage bonds are? 134 00:08:50,488 --> 00:08:54,834 No, no, no, I want to know what mortgages are in each one. 135 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:57,837 Okay, aren't those mortgages made up of... 136 00:08:59,289 --> 00:09:00,757 Wait, aren't those bonds made up 137 00:09:00,832 --> 00:09:02,880 of thousands and thousands of mortgages'? 138 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:04,427 Yeah. 139 00:09:08,465 --> 00:09:09,967 Right away, Dr. Burry. 140 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:33,373 I am a nice guy all daylong. 141 00:09:33,448 --> 00:09:36,122 Ask anyone, I'm a pleasure to work with. 142 00:09:38,036 --> 00:09:42,382 But the second my son screws up, I am... 143 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:45,544 ...yelling at him just like my dad did to me. 144 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:50,261 I hear the words that are coming out of my mouth and... 145 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:54,473 Sorry I'm late! No cabs. 146 00:09:55,178 --> 00:09:56,179 Oh... 147 00:09:56,638 --> 00:09:58,231 So, get this. 148 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:01,476 I met with this retail banker yesterday. 149 00:10:01,726 --> 00:10:04,149 I'm supposed to be getting him to invest in a fund, 150 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:05,572 but instead 151 00:10:05,647 --> 00:10:08,526 I start grilling him about overdraft penalties 152 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:11,612 and how his bank will let a customer write 10-12 checks 153 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:12,946 before they tell them they're overdrawn. 154 00:10:13,029 --> 00:10:16,954 And this creep is making billions off screwing over people this way. 155 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:18,831 And I'm getting madder and madder. 156 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:22,289 And I ask him, I look him in the face and I say, 157 00:10:22,372 --> 00:10:24,215 "How can you sleep at night 158 00:10:24,707 --> 00:10:28,177 "knowing that you are ripping off working people?" 159 00:10:28,253 --> 00:10:29,971 And you know what he did? He left. 160 00:10:30,046 --> 00:10:32,765 He just walks out of the lunch, doesn't say a word. 161 00:10:32,841 --> 00:10:33,842 What the fuck is that? 162 00:10:33,925 --> 00:10:36,269 Who's fucked up in that scenario? Am I? 163 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:38,813 Or is this douchebag, who leaves me hanging? 164 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:40,140 Is he the fucked up one? 165 00:10:40,223 --> 00:10:43,022 We have talked about this numerous times. 166 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:46,230 You can't come in late and hijack the entire session. 167 00:10:46,312 --> 00:10:47,780 What do you mean? I didn't hijack the meeting. 168 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:48,948 Did I hijack the session? 169 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:50,191 Yeah. 170 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:51,822 What do you do? 171 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:53,115 I'm in commodities. 172 00:10:53,194 --> 00:10:54,491 Good luck with that. 173 00:10:54,571 --> 00:10:58,166 Mark, I know you suffered a terrible loss. 174 00:10:58,241 --> 00:10:59,618 Maybe you want to talk about that. 175 00:10:59,701 --> 00:11:00,793 I don't talk about that. 176 00:11:00,869 --> 00:11:02,291 Hold on. 177 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:03,713 Hold on... 178 00:11:03,788 --> 00:11:06,632 Shit, I have to take this. Sorry. Sorry. 179 00:11:07,542 --> 00:11:09,670 No... I don't care, Porter. 180 00:11:09,752 --> 00:11:11,345 This guy's whole business is built on ripping people off. 181 00:11:11,421 --> 00:11:13,014 How long can that last? 182 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:15,637 Bye, everybody! 183 00:11:16,718 --> 00:11:18,391 95... 184 00:11:18,636 --> 00:11:20,764 That's 30 days late... Sixty days late... 185 00:11:23,224 --> 00:11:25,693 They pay on time... 186 00:11:28,605 --> 00:11:30,232 These FICO scores... 187 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:38,949 Late. And they caught up on their payments... 188 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,534 Another 30 days late... 189 00:11:40,617 --> 00:11:43,871 LTV, 95... LTV, 90... They caught up on their payments... 190 00:11:43,953 --> 00:11:45,500 Sixty days late? Jesus! 191 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:47,708 LTV, 110? I've never heard of that! 192 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:49,133 Thirty days late, rate adjusts... 193 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:51,378 In '07 rate adjusts... 194 00:11:51,461 --> 00:11:52,633 In '06 rate adjusts... 195 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:55,052 95... 90... Jesus! 196 00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:58,385 He hasn't moved all day. 197 00:11:58,468 --> 00:12:00,812 He does this every few days. 198 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:02,560 He hasn't spoken to me since he hired me. 199 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,061 Maybe the LTV's at... High-risk, 200 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:06,393 interest-only... t never heard of that mortgage history, 201 00:12:06,476 --> 00:12:09,229 I never heard of that... How? 202 00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:10,609 Michael, how are you, guy? 203 00:12:10,688 --> 00:12:13,737 Lawrence, lfound something really interesting. 204 00:12:13,816 --> 00:12:15,739 Great, Michael. Whenever you find something interesting, 205 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:17,035 we all tend to make money. 206 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:18,488 What stock are you valuing? 207 00:12:18,613 --> 00:12:19,956 No, no, no, no. No stocks. 208 00:12:20,031 --> 00:12:22,079 I want to short the housing market. 209 00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:26,167 Really? But the housing market is rock solid. 210 00:12:26,663 --> 00:12:28,085 Greenspan just said 211 00:12:28,164 --> 00:12:30,713 bubbles are regional, defaults are rare. 212 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:32,961 Tell them I'll be there in a minute. 213 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:34,842 - Say again? - Look, look... 214 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:36,764 Greenspan's wrong. 215 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:40,264 I don't think you mean to do this, but sometimes you sound very 216 00:12:40,343 --> 00:12:42,641 dismissive and superior. 217 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,892 It's a fact. Greenspan's wrong. 218 00:12:43,972 --> 00:12:46,316 I don't know how else you want me to say... 219 00:12:46,391 --> 00:12:47,768 Look, Michael. 220 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:49,477 Metro Capital backed you four years ago 221 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,358 when you were a doctor with a 222 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,781 dinky webpage and some inheritance money. 223 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:54,857 We've all done very welt. 224 00:12:54,941 --> 00:12:56,067 Why don't you just stick with stocks? 225 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:58,278 Look. You know me. I, I, I... 226 00:12:58,361 --> 00:13:02,116 I look for value wherever it can be found. 227 00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:03,290 And the fact is 228 00:13:03,366 --> 00:13:06,586 that these mortgage-backed securities are filled 229 00:13:06,703 --> 00:13:10,128 with extremely risky subprime adjustable-rate loans. 230 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:12,709 And when the majority of the adjustable rates 231 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:15,045 kick in, in '07, 232 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:16,383 they will begin to fail. 233 00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:19,807 And if they fail above 15%, the whole bond is worthless. 234 00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:22,055 Michael, just take a beat. 235 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:23,352 We'll talk about this later, okay? 236 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:26,477 Lawrence, please, don't patronize me. Listen... 237 00:13:26,556 --> 00:13:28,024 JARED". Mortgage-backed securities. 238 00:13:28,099 --> 00:13:29,396 It, it, it... 239 00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:31,315 Subprime loans- Trenches. 240 00:13:31,394 --> 00:13:33,067 It's pretty confusing, right? 241 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:35,774 Does it make you feel bored? Or stupid? 242 00:13:35,857 --> 00:13:38,155 Well, it's supposed to. 243 00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:39,827 Wall Street loves to use confusing terms 244 00:13:39,902 --> 00:13:42,576 to make you think only they can do what they do. 245 00:13:42,905 --> 00:13:44,122 Or, even better, 246 00:13:44,198 --> 00:13:46,576 for you to just leave them the fuck atone. 247 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:48,627 So here's Margot Robbie in a bubble bath to explain. 248 00:13:49,871 --> 00:13:52,875 Basically, Lewis Ranieri's mortgage bonds 249 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:55,255 were amazingly profitable for the big banks. 250 00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:59,306 They made billions and billions on their 2% fee 251 00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:01,599 they got for selling each of these bonds. 252 00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:03,472 But then they started running out of mortgages 253 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:05,098 to put in them. 254 00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:07,852 After all, there are only so many homes 255 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:11,685 and so many people with good enough jobs to buy them, right? 256 00:14:11,768 --> 00:14:13,862 So the banks started filling these bonds 257 00:14:13,936 --> 00:14:16,109 with riskier and riskier mortgages. 258 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:17,361 Thank you' Banter. 259 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,991 That way they can keep that profit machine churning, right? 260 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:26,450 By the way, these risky mortgages are called subprime. 261 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,910 So whenever you hear "subprime", think 262 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:30,461 "shit". 263 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:34,086 Our friend Michael Burry found out that these mortgage bonds 264 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:37,385 that were supposedly 65% AAA 265 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:40,213 were actually just mostly full of shit. 266 00:14:40,797 --> 00:14:43,550 So now he's going to "short" the bonds. 267 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:45,635 Which means to "bet against". 268 00:14:46,469 --> 00:14:47,516 Got it? 269 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:49,473 Good. 270 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:53,855 Now fuck off. 271 00:14:53,935 --> 00:14:56,279 It's only a matter of time before someone else sees this investment. 272 00:14:56,354 --> 00:14:58,072 We have to act now! 273 00:14:58,147 --> 00:15:00,400 How do you know the bonds are worthless? 274 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:02,702 Aren't they filled with fucking thousands 275 00:15:02,777 --> 00:15:03,903 of pages of mortgages? 276 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:06,239 I read them. 277 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:08,245 - You read them? - I read... Yes. 278 00:15:08,324 --> 00:15:11,544 No one reads them. Only the lawyers who put them together read them. 279 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:16,341 Look, I don't think that they even know what they've made. 280 00:15:16,457 --> 00:15:19,711 The housing market is propped up on these 281 00:15:20,002 --> 00:15:22,676 bad loans, and I'm... 282 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:24,803 It's a time bomb, and I want to short it. 283 00:15:24,882 --> 00:15:27,180 Through what instrument, Michael? 284 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:30,264 There are no insurance contracts or options for mortgage bonds. 285 00:15:30,346 --> 00:15:31,598 The bonds are too stable. 286 00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:33,019 Lawrence... 287 00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:40,198 This is what I'm gonna do. lam gonna get a bank 288 00:15:40,523 --> 00:15:42,571 to make me one. 289 00:15:43,192 --> 00:15:44,865 And then 290 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:47,413 I'm gonna buy it. 291 00:15:48,823 --> 00:15:50,575 I don't want that kind of business. 292 00:15:50,658 --> 00:15:53,332 Money is not money. That's bad money. 293 00:15:53,995 --> 00:15:56,214 Hey! Excuse me! 294 00:15:57,582 --> 00:16:00,506 Let me ask you this. What company treats its customers 295 00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:03,179 that shittily and succeeds? 296 00:16:04,046 --> 00:16:05,889 Fine. Okay, Goldman. You're right. 297 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:07,308 JARED". Mark Baum had built his career 298 00:16:07,383 --> 00:16:09,431 on never assuming anyone or any company 299 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:11,183 was legit without proving it. 300 00:16:11,262 --> 00:16:12,764 When he was a kid he excelled at studying 301 00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:14,895 the Talmud in Yeshiva. Whatever. 302 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:16,851 But one day his rabbi told his mom why. 303 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:21,064 Paul is a fine boy, and Mark is an excellent student 304 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:23,783 of the Torah and the Talmud. 305 00:16:23,858 --> 00:16:25,826 Then what's the problem, rabbi? 306 00:16:25,902 --> 00:16:29,076 It's the reason Mark is studying so hard. 307 00:16:29,906 --> 00:16:33,080 He's looking for inconsistencies in the word of God! 308 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:38,001 So has he found any? 309 00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:42,335 Later, Baum started his own fund on Wall Street. 310 00:16:42,418 --> 00:16:43,840 He had an amazing nose for bullshit. 311 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,922 And he wasn't afraid to let anyone know when and where 312 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,633 the bull had gone number two. 313 00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:50,343 But then a tragedy happened to Mark, 314 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:51,894 and it turned his world view dark 315 00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:54,313 and ready to believe the whole system was a lie. 316 00:16:54,388 --> 00:16:55,935 Hold on. 317 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,859 It's Cynthia. I'll be in the office in 20 minutes. 318 00:16:59,769 --> 00:17:00,941 Hi, honey. 319 00:17:02,438 --> 00:17:06,113 The therapist called. You did it again. 320 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:09,279 There were no cabs. What was I supposed to do? 321 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:11,035 I worry about you, Mark. 322 00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:12,456 At least I went. 323 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,709 You're running around like you have to right 324 00:17:15,785 --> 00:17:17,628 -every wrong in the world. -Okay. 325 00:17:17,745 --> 00:17:18,917 You're so angry. 326 00:17:18,996 --> 00:17:20,418 Fine. You know what? 327 00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:23,422 I'm a mean guy and I'm pissed off. 328 00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:25,424 But it is a shit storm out here, sweetie. 329 00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:28,803 You have no idea the kind of crap people are pulling. 330 00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:31,555 And everyone's walking around like they're in a goddamn Enya video. 331 00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:34,729 They're all getting screwed, you know. 332 00:17:34,804 --> 00:17:37,398 You know what they care about? They care about the ballgame. 333 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:40,352 Or they care about what actress just went into rehab. 334 00:17:40,434 --> 00:17:42,482 I think you should try medication. 335 00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:45,736 No, no. We agreed. if it interfered with work. 336 00:17:45,815 --> 00:17:47,658 You hate Wall Street. Maybe it's time to quit. 337 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:50,118 - I love my job. -You hate your job. 338 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:51,195 I love my job. 339 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:52,246 You're miserable. 340 00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:54,323 I love my job. I love my job, honey. 341 00:17:55,283 --> 00:17:56,580 Mark... 342 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:00,880 I am sad every day about what happened. 343 00:18:00,955 --> 00:18:04,300 I know you must feel the same, but you never show it. 344 00:18:10,548 --> 00:18:13,051 I know how close you were to your brother. 345 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:17,521 Paul. 346 00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:20,183 Where'd you go, Paul? 347 00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:26,690 Paul! 348 00:18:32,361 --> 00:18:35,114 Every day I think you're gonna talk about it, but you never do. 349 00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:42,748 Will you at least think about the idea of making a change? 350 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:45,674 Fine. Fine. Honey, you know what? I will consider it. 351 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:49,129 But, honestly, Cynthia. I'm okay. I really am. 352 00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:51,179 Hey, hey, hey! No, no. 353 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,634 My cab. That's my cab. That's my cab. That is my cab. 354 00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:56,310 - Schmuck. Fuck you. - Fuck you. 355 00:18:56,385 --> 00:18:57,887 - Fuck you. - Fuck you. 356 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:00,557 I'll call you later. 357 00:19:07,938 --> 00:19:12,034 I want to buy swaps on mortgage bonds. 358 00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:14,453 A credit default swap that will pay off 359 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:17,991 if the underlying bond fails. 360 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:20,326 You want to bet against the housing market? 361 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:22,377 - Yes. -Why? 362 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:23,625 Those bonds only fail 363 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:26,173 if millions of Americans don't pay their mortgages. 364 00:19:26,248 --> 00:19:28,671 That's never happened in history. 365 00:19:28,751 --> 00:19:31,675 If you'll excuse me, Dr. Burry, it seems like a foolish investment. 366 00:19:31,754 --> 00:19:34,507 Well, based on prevailing sentiment 367 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:36,638 of the market and banks in popular culture, 368 00:19:36,717 --> 00:19:39,015 yes, it's a foolish investment. 369 00:19:39,095 --> 00:19:41,598 But, uh... Everyone's wrong. 370 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:44,684 That's a good one. 371 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:48,692 This is Wall Street, Dr. Burry. 372 00:19:48,771 --> 00:19:50,739 If you offer us free money, we are going to take it. 373 00:19:50,815 --> 00:19:55,446 My one concern is that when the bonds fail, 374 00:19:56,570 --> 00:20:00,120 uh, I want to be certain, um, of payment 375 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,952 um, in case of solvency issues with your bank. 376 00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:06,331 I'm sorry, are you for real? 377 00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,041 You wanna bet against the housing market 378 00:20:08,124 --> 00:20:09,467 and you're worried we won't pay you? 379 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,135 Yes, that's correct. 380 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:24,348 ...unless the market crashes. 381 00:20:24,473 --> 00:20:26,692 The market on housing's never gonna crash 382 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:29,566 because it's so solid right now. 383 00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:32,398 I mean, who doesn't pay their mortgages? 384 00:20:36,318 --> 00:20:37,319 Mmm-hmm. 385 00:20:39,613 --> 00:20:40,660 Dr. Burry, 386 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:43,084 we could work out a pay-as-we-go structure 387 00:20:43,159 --> 00:20:45,161 that would pay out if the bonds fail. 388 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:46,746 But it would also apply to your payments 389 00:20:46,829 --> 00:20:48,797 if the value of the mortgage bond goes up. 390 00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:51,592 You'd have to pay us monthly premiums. 391 00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:54,386 Is that acceptable, Dr. Burry? 392 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,182 Yes. Yes. 393 00:20:59,049 --> 00:21:01,598 Um, I have prospectuses on six 394 00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:04,556 mortgage-backed securities I want to short. 395 00:21:09,018 --> 00:21:10,770 Majority of the mortgages... 396 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:24,621 I don't see us losing any money on these at all. 397 00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:40,762 Dr. Burry, these should be fine. 398 00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,764 Yeah. We're prepared to sell you $5 million 399 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,720 in credit default swaps on these mortgage bonds. 400 00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:47,352 Can we make it $100 million? 401 00:21:50,226 --> 00:21:52,604 Uh, absolutely, we can make it $100 million. 402 00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:57,408 We'll be in touch, send some paperwork over. 403 00:21:58,234 --> 00:21:59,235 Um... 404 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:01,738 I like these cups. 405 00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:03,494 Can I take one for my son? 406 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:05,324 Have... Yes. Yes. 407 00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:06,909 Thank you. 408 00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:08,369 Have two. 409 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:31,351 ls there any way to do $200 million? 410 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:35,438 I mean, we can. But are you sure? 411 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,529 Absolutely. Absolutely, we can do that. 412 00:22:53,247 --> 00:22:56,626 We do different projects. We do gardening. 413 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:59,963 The bonds I'd like to bet against. 414 00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:01,672 It's not bad seeing yourself on the big screen. 415 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:02,756 It's very cool. 416 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,474 I ordered the 24-ounce T-bone, which was choice. 417 00:23:07,553 --> 00:23:09,021 - I went for volume... - Yeah. 418 00:23:09,096 --> 00:23:10,723 ...rather than prime. 419 00:23:10,806 --> 00:23:13,480 I went for subprime, and the gist was... 420 00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:23,319 Can I have like, lettuce, tomato, no onions'? 421 00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:27,244 So, no onions. Lettuce, tomato, Thousand Island okay? 422 00:23:27,323 --> 00:23:28,324 Yeah. 423 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,090 Hey, Randall! What's with the Dom? 424 00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:39,043 Bonuses aren't for three months. 425 00:23:39,126 --> 00:23:43,097 We just sold $200 million in credit swaps for mortgage bonds. 426 00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:45,345 Some fund manager from California. 427 00:23:45,466 --> 00:23:46,809 It's fucking crazy, right? 428 00:23:46,884 --> 00:23:47,976 A whole new way to make money, Doug. 429 00:23:48,052 --> 00:23:50,305 Wait, wait. I didn't know there were swaps on mortgages. 430 00:23:50,387 --> 00:23:52,981 There are now. We made it for him. 431 00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:54,730 He must have gone off his Zoloft or something. 432 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:56,151 I don't know. 433 00:23:56,226 --> 00:23:57,978 - Want to join? No? -Just a second. 434 00:23:58,062 --> 00:23:59,063 Oh... 435 00:23:59,229 --> 00:24:00,651 Hey, Jared. 436 00:24:00,731 --> 00:24:02,199 Did you hear about the deal that Randall just did 437 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:03,491 with some fund manager? 438 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,365 Randall? Bullshit. 439 00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:07,662 He's a foot soldier. I'm sure it's a shit deal. 440 00:24:07,738 --> 00:24:08,990 No, it's for real. 441 00:24:10,199 --> 00:24:11,621 I told you we'd meet later. 442 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,123 Unfortunately, it's in a place like this which I would never be. 443 00:24:14,203 --> 00:24:16,877 I never hung out with these idiots after work, ever. 444 00:24:16,956 --> 00:24:18,754 I had fashion friends. 445 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,511 Apparently, this guy wanted $200 mil in credit default swaps. 446 00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:24,338 Randall made the sale. Can you believe it? 447 00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:26,640 Somebody shorted $200 mil on mortgage bonds? 448 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:30,140 That was just with Deutsche. Word is he hit half the town. 449 00:24:31,011 --> 00:24:32,137 How much in total? 450 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,939 $1.3 billion. 451 00:24:34,014 --> 00:24:37,860 What? That's pretty much ail of Scion's liquidity. 452 00:24:37,935 --> 00:24:40,029 Michael, this is highly distressing. 453 00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:41,526 Lawrence, that is not 454 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:44,154 all of our liquidity. 455 00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:45,450 And I'm not certain 456 00:24:45,526 --> 00:24:47,745 that you really understand this trade. 457 00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:48,908 This is a certainty. 458 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:52,083 Mike, I consider myself a mentor to you. 459 00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:56,003 But our company is not comfortable with this investment. Am I being clear? 460 00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:58,331 Lawrence, I have full autonomy 461 00:24:58,414 --> 00:25:01,338 when it comes to investment strategy. 462 00:25:01,417 --> 00:25:02,543 You can read our agreement. 463 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:05,971 Do not throw our inception agreement in my face, Michael. 464 00:25:06,046 --> 00:25:08,424 - We had an underlying understanding 465 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:09,807 you wouldn't act like a goddamn crazy man. 466 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:11,476 This is not crazy. 467 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:13,020 It's all very logical. 468 00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:15,314 So, now we pay up premiums on these swaps 469 00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:18,642 against the housing market until the mortgages fail? 470 00:25:18,726 --> 00:25:20,399 In other words, we lose millions 471 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,193 until something that's never happened before happens? 472 00:25:27,067 --> 00:25:28,068 That's correct. 473 00:26:01,602 --> 00:26:02,854 Hello, Mark Baum. 474 00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:05,030 Oh, hey, Kathy, you busted me. 475 00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:06,072 I had a personal thing this afternoon. 476 00:26:06,148 --> 00:26:07,149 I'm not your babysitter. 477 00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:09,860 If FrontPoint makes money for Morgan Stanley, I'm happy. 478 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:12,241 Okay. Hey, did I hear you're expecting? 479 00:26:12,321 --> 00:26:13,698 We're expecting to be expecting. 480 00:26:13,781 --> 00:26:15,454 LVF's are cleaning us out but we're staying positive... 481 00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:17,034 That's exciting! 482 00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:24,167 ...lump on my ball. And I go in for a scan. 483 00:26:24,291 --> 00:26:25,292 Mmm-hmm. 484 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:29,096 Turns out that I have a very large thing called an epididymis. 485 00:26:29,171 --> 00:26:31,720 Which is a thing that goes around the ball 486 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,517 and is like a sac underneath. 487 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:34,639 I have an extremely 488 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,561 - pronounced epididymis. - I'm riveted... 489 00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:38,685 I'm riveted by this. Do you have any pictures? 490 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:42,314 It's almost as large as another testicle unto itself. 491 00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:44,486 So get this. Cynthia... 492 00:26:44,561 --> 00:26:47,610 Guys. Cynthia wants me to quit and open a B&B in Vermont. 493 00:26:48,899 --> 00:26:52,278 That sounds great. I'd love to see Mark Baum run a bed and breakfast. 494 00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:54,329 Like, "Here's your steel-cut oatmeal, asshole." 495 00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:56,998 JARED". Mark refused to kiss the ring of the people with the checkbooks, 496 00:26:57,074 --> 00:27:00,123 so he had to set up his fund under Morgan Stanley's umbrella. 497 00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:03,919 His small team reflected his distrust of the system. 498 00:27:03,997 --> 00:27:05,419 You guys are sick. You're sick. 499 00:27:05,541 --> 00:27:07,669 She says this job is making me unhappy. 500 00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:08,798 But you're happy when you're unhappy. 501 00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:10,379 I am happy when I'm unhappy. 502 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:11,463 JARED". Vinnie Daniel. 503 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:12,673 You know how to make a muffin? 504 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:14,474 - Mark's numbers guy. -Do you even know how 505 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:16,018 - to do laundry? Make a bed? - Okay... 506 00:27:16,093 --> 00:27:18,721 Vinnie lost his father to a violent crime when he was young. 507 00:27:18,804 --> 00:27:20,647 Just like Mark, he didn't talk about it. 508 00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:21,974 I don't talk about that. 509 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,401 Cynthia's no joke. She could actually make him move to Vermont. 510 00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:26,149 I mean, she made me start wearing a seatbelt. 511 00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:27,946 - Hey, you want me to... - Porter Collins. 512 00:27:28,063 --> 00:27:30,236 Former Olympic rower who went to Brown. 513 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:31,988 He worked with Baum at a previous firm 514 00:27:32,067 --> 00:27:33,990 and couldn't figure out why no one listened to Baum. 515 00:27:34,069 --> 00:27:36,163 The guy with all the good ideas. 516 00:27:36,238 --> 00:27:38,036 Sorry. I think you have the wrong FrontPoint. 517 00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:40,910 'Cause there is another FrontPoint in this same building that is bonds. 518 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:43,746 And Danny Moses. The optimist of the bunch. 519 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:45,880 And a hell of a trader. 520 00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:49,085 Which is the only reason they put up with his bullshit optimism. 521 00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:50,420 That was a weird call. 522 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:53,802 You take longer with a wrong number than anybody else. 523 00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:56,509 It was this guy from Deutsche 524 00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,186 who was talking about shorting housing bonds. 525 00:28:00,554 --> 00:28:01,726 And then in the middle of the call 526 00:28:01,847 --> 00:28:03,019 I realized he had the wrong FrontPoint. 527 00:28:03,098 --> 00:28:05,442 And then... 'Cause he wanted the one on the 8th floor. 528 00:28:06,101 --> 00:28:08,024 He wanted to short housing bonds? 529 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,150 Uh-huh. That happens like five times a day 530 00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:10,697 that somebody gets the wrong FrontPoint. 531 00:28:10,772 --> 00:28:12,945 - We should change our name. - Wait. Wait. 532 00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:14,993 He wanted to short housing bonds? 533 00:28:15,277 --> 00:28:17,075 Who bets against housing? 534 00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:19,247 What's the ABX at? 535 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,536 What's ABX? 536 00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:23,460 It tracks subprime mortgage bond value. Go back to sleep. 537 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:26,167 The ABX is at, uh... 538 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:29,542 Wow, it's down! It's down three points since last year. 539 00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:31,878 That's weird. I haven't heard a peep about that. 540 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,007 What was this guy's name? 541 00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:35,214 Jared Vennett. Vennett. 542 00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:37,550 JARED". That's right. These lucky sons of bitches 543 00:28:37,633 --> 00:28:40,386 caught wind of one of the best trades in Wall Street history 544 00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:42,062 from a wrong number. 545 00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:44,390 They should have paid 10% to my fuckstick assistant. 546 00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,817 His name was Jared Vennett. Vennett. 547 00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:48,735 Jared Vennett from Deutsche. Sounded very sketchy. 548 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:49,811 Sounds like a douchebag. 549 00:28:50,646 --> 00:28:52,444 Do you smell that? 550 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:53,865 Do you smell that? 551 00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:55,234 I smell money. 552 00:28:56,026 --> 00:28:57,448 This is your basic mortgage... 553 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,413 Okay, hi. How are you? 554 00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:05,168 Have a seat. 555 00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:07,997 Okay, Mr. Vennett from Deutsche Bank. What do we have? 556 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:14,135 There you go. 557 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:20,138 So, how many people have you talked to about this trade? 558 00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:22,970 A few. There's definitely some interest. 559 00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:24,475 - No! -My boss would have my ass... 560 00:29:24,554 --> 00:29:25,976 - N.O.! -You crazy, Jared? 561 00:29:26,056 --> 00:29:27,603 - Get lost. -Fuck you. 562 00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,149 Which is why you're here talking to us, a wrong number. 563 00:29:31,228 --> 00:29:32,650 Sounds like there's a lot of interest. 564 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,073 All right. A few people have invited us in 565 00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:37,526 just to laugh at me on this deal. Is that you? 566 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:38,610 Is that what this is? 567 00:29:38,694 --> 00:29:39,741 That's not what this is. 568 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:41,618 That's just how Mark is. 569 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:42,994 - Let's see what you got. -I'm sorry. 570 00:29:43,073 --> 00:29:44,746 You smell that? What is that? 571 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:46,288 - What? - What's that smell? 572 00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:47,703 Your cologne? 573 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:48,833 No. 574 00:29:51,081 --> 00:29:52,378 Opportunity. 575 00:29:52,499 --> 00:29:53,796 No. Money. 576 00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:55,172 - Oh... - Okay. 577 00:29:55,252 --> 00:29:56,799 - I smell money. -Okay. 578 00:29:57,296 --> 00:29:59,970 - Chris, God damn it. -Sorry. 579 00:30:03,176 --> 00:30:05,599 This is your basic mortgage bond. 580 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,932 All right? The originals were simple. 581 00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:11,690 They were just thousands of AAA mortgages bundled together, 582 00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:13,520 guaranteed by the U.S. government. 583 00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:15,446 The modern ones are different. 584 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:18,446 They're private. And they're made up of layers of tranches. 585 00:30:23,697 --> 00:30:26,120 The highest level, AAA, is getting paid first. 586 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:29,373 The lowest rated, B, is getting paid last, taking on defaults first. 587 00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:32,127 Now, obviously, if you're buying B's, you could make more money. 588 00:30:32,205 --> 00:30:33,377 But they're a little risky. 589 00:30:33,457 --> 00:30:35,630 Sometimes they fail. 590 00:30:36,877 --> 00:30:38,220 Chris? 591 00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:44,302 Somewhere along the line, these B's and BB's 592 00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:45,852 went from a little risky 593 00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:48,350 to dog shit. Where's the trash? 594 00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:49,431 It's right behind you. 595 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,685 I'm talking rock-bottom FICO scores. 596 00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:55,396 No income verification. 597 00:30:56,605 --> 00:30:59,449 Adjustable rates. Dog shit! 598 00:31:00,901 --> 00:31:03,745 The default rates are already up from 1% to 4%, fellas. 599 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,039 And if they rise to 8%, and they will, 600 00:31:06,823 --> 00:31:09,076 a lot of these BBB's are going to zero, too. 601 00:31:09,159 --> 00:31:10,581 And that... You're too close. 602 00:31:12,329 --> 00:31:13,330 ...is an opportunity. 603 00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:14,380 Okay. 604 00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:18,086 You're saying that at 8% the bonds fail and we are already at 4%? 605 00:31:18,168 --> 00:31:19,169 That's right. 606 00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:21,050 If they go to 8%, it's Armageddon? 607 00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:22,130 Yeah. That's right. 608 00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:23,973 How come nobody's talking about this? 609 00:31:24,091 --> 00:31:26,219 You're completely sure of the math? 610 00:31:26,301 --> 00:31:28,895 Look at him. That's my quant. 611 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:30,017 Your what? 612 00:31:30,097 --> 00:31:31,895 My quantitative! 613 00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:34,647 My math specialist. Look at him. 614 00:31:34,768 --> 00:31:37,112 You notice anything different about him? Look at his face. 615 00:31:37,187 --> 00:31:38,234 That's pretty racist. 616 00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,816 Look at his eyes! I'll give you a hint. 617 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,446 His name's Yang! 618 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:46,910 He won a national math competition in China! 619 00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,491 He doesn't even speak English! 620 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,247 Yeah, I'm sure of the math. 621 00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:56,753 Actually, my name's Jiang and I do speak English. 622 00:31:56,832 --> 00:31:58,300 Jared likes to say I don't because he thinks 623 00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:00,218 it makes me seem more authentic. 624 00:32:00,293 --> 00:32:02,842 And I got second in that national math competition. 625 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:08,303 So you're offering us a chance to short this pile of blocks? How? 626 00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:10,854 With something called a credit default swap. 627 00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:14,642 It's like insurance on the bond, and if it goes bust 628 00:32:14,724 --> 00:32:17,898 you can make 10-to-1, even 20-to-1 return. 629 00:32:17,978 --> 00:32:20,106 And it's already slowly going bust! 630 00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:22,449 10-to-1? 20-to-1? No way. 631 00:32:22,524 --> 00:32:24,492 And no one's paying attention. 632 00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:27,408 No one is paying attention! 633 00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:30,957 Because the banks are too busy getting paid obscene fees 634 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:32,329 to sell these bonds. 635 00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:35,162 But wait. You are the bank. You work for the bank. 636 00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:37,293 I bet your margins are pretty nice and fat. 637 00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:39,670 Let's not talk about my margins, by the way. 638 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:41,797 Being nice and fat, that's a nice shirt. Do they make it for men? 639 00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:44,137 Aren't you the bank? 640 00:32:44,212 --> 00:32:47,136 I work for the bank. I don't think like a bank. 641 00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:51,095 Big bank, small bank, I like to make money. All right? 642 00:32:51,178 --> 00:32:53,897 Let me put it this way. I'm standing in front of a burning house... 643 00:32:54,014 --> 00:32:56,767 And I'm offering you fire insurance on it. 644 00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:59,353 How can these underlying bonds be as bad as you say? 645 00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:00,695 It wouldn't be legal. 646 00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:02,738 Nobody knows what's in them. 647 00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:04,316 Nobody knows what's in the bonds. 648 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:07,494 I've seen some that are 65% AAA-rated 649 00:33:07,569 --> 00:33:10,539 that I know for a fact are filled with 95% 650 00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:13,413 subprime shit with FICOs below 550! 651 00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:14,993 Get the fuck out of here. 652 00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:16,453 You want me to really blow your mind? 653 00:33:16,536 --> 00:33:18,083 When the market deems a bond too risky to buy, 654 00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:20,382 what do you think we do with it? 655 00:33:20,457 --> 00:33:21,583 Take a guess. 656 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:23,088 I don't know. You tell me. 657 00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:27,093 All right. You think we just warehouse it on the books? No. 658 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:29,095 We just repackage it with a bunch of other shit 659 00:33:29,174 --> 00:33:31,268 that didn't sell and put it into a CDO. 660 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,141 - A CDC)? - Yes. A CDO. 661 00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:36,682 - What is that? -This is where we take a bunch of B's, 662 00:33:36,765 --> 00:33:38,938 BB's and BBB's that haven't sold, 663 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,690 and we put them in a pile. 664 00:33:42,229 --> 00:33:44,197 And when the pile gets large enough, 665 00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:46,863 the whole thing is suddenly considered diversified 666 00:33:46,942 --> 00:33:51,664 and the whores at the rating agency give it a 92%-93% AAA rating, 667 00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:53,740 no questions asked. 668 00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:57,911 Hold it. What? Say that again. 669 00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:00,456 A collateralized debt obligation. 670 00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:02,041 It's important to understand because it's what allowed 671 00:34:02,123 --> 00:34:06,253 a housing crisis to become a nationwide economic disaster. 672 00:34:06,336 --> 00:34:09,556 Here's world-famous chef Anthony Bourdain to explain. 673 00:34:14,135 --> 00:34:15,808 Okay, I'm a chef on a Sunday afternoon 674 00:34:15,971 --> 00:34:17,644 setting the menu at a big restaurant. 675 00:34:17,806 --> 00:34:19,228 I ordered my fish on Friday, 676 00:34:19,307 --> 00:34:22,026 which is the mortgage bond that Michael Burry shorted. 677 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,229 But some of the fresh fish doesn't sell. 678 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:25,939 I don't know why. Maybe it just came out 679 00:34:26,064 --> 00:34:27,691 halibut has the intelligence of a dolphin. 680 00:34:27,774 --> 00:34:29,492 So, what am I going to do? 681 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:33,072 Throw all this unsold fish, which is the BBB level of the bond, 682 00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:35,623 in the garbage and take the loss? 683 00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:37,576 No way. 684 00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,082 Being the crafty and morally onerous chef that I am, 685 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,835 whatever crappy levels of the bond I don't sell, 686 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:44,924 I throw into a seafood stew. 687 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,425 See, it's not old fish. It's a whole new thing! 688 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:52,224 And the best part is they're eating 3-day-old halibut. 689 00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:53,972 That is a CDO. 690 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:56,936 I just need to know, how could these possibly be collated? 691 00:34:57,012 --> 00:34:59,435 Somehow you're like Dora the Explorer 692 00:34:59,514 --> 00:35:00,766 and you're the first person 693 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:02,192 -who found this thing. -Hold on. Hold on. 694 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:04,144 So mortgage bonds are dog shit, 695 00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:06,446 CDOs are dog shit wrapped in cat shit. 696 00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:09,824 Yeah, that's right. 697 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:13,403 Institutions treat these CDOs like they're as solid as treasury bonds, 698 00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:14,738 and they're going to zero. 699 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:18,166 No. That can't be right. There were $500 billion 700 00:35:18,241 --> 00:35:20,585 in housing bonds sold last year alone. 701 00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:23,497 The rating agencies, the banks, the fucking government, 702 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:25,582 you're saying they're all asleep at the wheel? 703 00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:29,135 Yeah. My whole department's long on this stuff. 704 00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:33,883 They call me Chicken Little. They call me Bubble Boy. 705 00:35:36,551 --> 00:35:39,976 A's, zero. B's, zero. 706 00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:43,517 BB's, zero. BBB's, zero. 707 00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:47,312 And then that happens. 708 00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:49,068 What is that? 709 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,658 That's America's housing market. 710 00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:56,659 Thank you. 711 00:35:56,738 --> 00:35:57,739 Fuckin' A, Jared. 712 00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,824 Shut your fucking mouth. 713 00:35:59,908 --> 00:36:02,081 - ...hang out with you. - Good. Okay. 714 00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:04,330 Sack up, do the deal. Let's be friends. 715 00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:05,629 We will see. Thank you. 716 00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:06,752 - Don't bullshit me. - All right. 717 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:07,923 You're gonna say no, aren't you? 718 00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:10,510 No. No, I'm just evaluating right now. 719 00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:12,303 Thank you. Thank you for coming in. 720 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:14,723 Bye, Jared. 721 00:36:20,762 --> 00:36:22,184 I don't like it. 722 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:24,812 He's playing us. 723 00:36:25,934 --> 00:36:27,777 He's playing us. He's got too much skin in the game 724 00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:29,525 and he's dumping his position. 725 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,982 What if he's right? 726 00:36:32,065 --> 00:36:33,157 You want him to be right. 727 00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:34,780 Yes, I do. 728 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,455 The banks have given us 25% interest rates on credit cards. 729 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,248 They have screwed us on student loans 730 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:42,075 that we can never get out from under. 731 00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:45,378 Then this guy walks into my office and says 732 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:48,423 those same banks got greedy, they lost track of the market, 733 00:36:48,498 --> 00:36:50,546 and I can profit off of their stupidity? 734 00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:52,878 Fuck, yeah, I want him to be right! 735 00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:54,213 How come you don't hate this guy? 736 00:36:54,295 --> 00:36:55,968 He's everything you taught us not to trust. 737 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,765 I can't hate him. He is so transparent 738 00:36:57,841 --> 00:37:00,219 in his self-interest that I kind of respect him. 739 00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:03,396 Would I buy a car from him? No. 740 00:37:03,638 --> 00:37:04,890 Is he right about the mortgage market? 741 00:37:04,973 --> 00:37:07,192 - No. -Let's find out. Let's find out. 742 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:10,611 Look. It's two very simple questions. 743 00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:12,189 Is there a housing bubble? 744 00:37:12,272 --> 00:37:14,866 And if there is, how exposed are the banks? 745 00:37:14,941 --> 00:37:15,988 Yeah. Okay. 746 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:17,489 Let's get on this quickly too. 747 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:18,946 Because if he's right, 748 00:37:19,028 --> 00:37:22,498 every loser with a couple million bucks and a fund is gonna be jumping on this. 749 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:24,033 Let's go. 750 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:27,829 Just that morning... 751 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,345 JPMorgan Chase. JPMorgan Chase. 752 00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:39,470 Okay. Stop saying "JPMorgan Chase". 753 00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:40,971 I got a good feeling about this. 754 00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:42,142 It's just a meeting though, you know? 755 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:44,763 It's just a meeting. It's something like... 756 00:37:44,846 --> 00:37:46,974 People have meetings all the time. You know? 757 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:48,683 People drink their coffee, they have a meeting. 758 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:50,110 - Brownfield Fund? - Yes! 759 00:37:50,185 --> 00:37:52,062 - Hey. Hello. - Ted. 760 00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:53,488 Chris. I'm on Ted's desk. 761 00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:54,948 Chris. Okay. 762 00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:56,195 - I'm Charlie, Charlie Geller. -Charlie. 763 00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,901 - Jamie Shipley. Hi. -Jamie. 764 00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:00,954 We're so excited to get set up on your trading platform. 765 00:38:01,029 --> 00:38:02,155 Cool. 766 00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:04,036 Here, have a seat a second. 767 00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:05,784 All right. 768 00:38:06,868 --> 00:38:09,792 So, I... Ted had asked me to do some meeting prep. 769 00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:13,250 But I couldn't find any marketing material on you guys. 770 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,176 We just moved here from Boulder. 771 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:16,753 - Yeah. -Got it. 772 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:19,214 Could we see some of your offering documents? 773 00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:21,800 Well, Brownfield is its own money. 774 00:38:22,383 --> 00:38:24,101 -It's our money. -Yeah. 775 00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:25,975 Can you tell us how much you manage? 776 00:38:26,054 --> 00:38:29,524 Of course. We're doing $30 million right now. 777 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:30,816 Um, but we started 778 00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:33,645 - four years ago with $110,000. - Wow. 779 00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:38,359 So, as you can see, that's pretty phenomenal returns. 780 00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:41,661 We want to get an ISDA agreement with JPMorgan so we can 781 00:38:41,778 --> 00:38:44,281 deal in long-term options. 782 00:38:44,364 --> 00:38:45,707 - That's really cool. -Yeah. 783 00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:00,384 That is so cool. 784 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:01,555 Thank you. 785 00:39:01,631 --> 00:39:05,807 But you guys are under the capital requirements for an ISDA. 786 00:39:05,927 --> 00:39:06,928 By how much? 787 00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:08,596 Uh... 788 00:39:08,805 --> 00:39:12,184 One billion four hundred seventy million, so... 789 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:14,731 ...a lot. 790 00:39:15,979 --> 00:39:17,447 This makes us look bad, doesn't it, 791 00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:20,696 that we didn't know what the capital requirements were? 792 00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:21,776 Uh... 793 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,782 It's not great. 794 00:39:24,279 --> 00:39:25,576 But, uh. 795 00:39:25,655 --> 00:39:28,124 Keep up those returns and give us a call 796 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,997 way down the line. You know. 797 00:39:30,076 --> 00:39:31,077 Okay? 798 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,457 - Okay. -Thanks, Chris. 799 00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:33,546 Have a good one, guys. 800 00:39:33,621 --> 00:39:34,668 Thank you, Chris. 801 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:39,961 Shit! 802 00:39:41,129 --> 00:39:42,381 Who the fuck schedules a meeting 803 00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,591 -at 4:50 in the afternoon? -Oh, my, God. 804 00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:46,426 That was so painful. 805 00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:50,139 Dude, B ofA and Bear didn't even return our calls. 806 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:52,394 And even fucking Wachovia 807 00:39:52,473 --> 00:39:54,146 -blew us off, man! -I know. 808 00:39:54,309 --> 00:39:56,562 Here's the prospectuses of all the other losers 809 00:39:56,644 --> 00:39:58,362 who didn't make it past the lobby. 810 00:39:58,438 --> 00:40:00,315 I don't think I can do this anymore. You know. 811 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,242 I'm young, yet. I can still do something with my life. 812 00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:05,412 I miss Colorado anyway. The weed's better. 813 00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:08,364 Gentlemen, I need you to leave. 814 00:40:08,489 --> 00:40:09,866 Yep, yep, we're going. Let's go, 815 00:40:09,991 --> 00:40:11,117 Look at this. Look at this. 816 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,543 This QUY 817 00:40:12,619 --> 00:40:15,543 says that the housing market's a giant bubble. 818 00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,089 Okay, so this part isn't totally accurate, you know. 819 00:40:20,168 --> 00:40:22,262 We didn't find Jared Vennett's housing bubble pitch 820 00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:24,260 in the lobby of a bank that rejected us. 821 00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:25,807 The truth is, um, 822 00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:28,761 a friend had told Charlie about it, and I read about it 823 00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,265 in Grant's Interest Rate Observer. 824 00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:31,688 This is crazy. 825 00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:34,266 This is crazy stuff. 826 00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:37,023 Shit, he's saying that there's 10-to-1 returns 827 00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:40,731 on credit default swaps for mortgage-backed securities? 828 00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:43,483 And the whole housing market is about to collapse? 829 00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:45,944 For Jamie and Charlie, the housing market 830 00:40:46,027 --> 00:40:48,450 doomsday prediction was music to their ears. 831 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,047 They had started working out of Jamie's garage 832 00:40:58,122 --> 00:41:00,045 with $110,000 Jamie had saved 833 00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:02,218 taking sailboats up and down the East Coast. 834 00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:05,926 Our investment strategy was simple. 835 00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:08,053 People hate to think about bad things happening, 836 00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:10,476 so they always underestimate their likelihood. 837 00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:13,054 Their strategy was simple and brilliant. 838 00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:14,688 What he said. 839 00:41:14,764 --> 00:41:17,483 Jamie and Charlie found markets will sell options very cheaply 840 00:41:17,558 --> 00:41:19,777 on things they think will never happen. 841 00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:21,445 So when they were wrong, they were wrong small, 842 00:41:21,521 --> 00:41:23,489 but when they were right, they were right big. 843 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:34,076 Within a few years they had turned $110,000 into $30 million. 844 00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:35,831 But then it was time to go to New York City. 845 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,538 And so far, it wasn't going very welt. 846 00:41:38,621 --> 00:41:40,373 So what if it does seem interesting. No... 847 00:41:40,456 --> 00:41:43,960 No bank will give us our ISDA. We're dead in the water. 848 00:41:45,461 --> 00:41:47,884 These kind of trades are totally out of the question. 849 00:41:47,964 --> 00:41:49,591 We got to call Ben. 850 00:41:51,801 --> 00:41:53,303 Let's call Ben! 851 00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:56,272 Ben Rickert was a former trader in Singapore 852 00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:59,100 for Chase who quit the whole game in disgust. 853 00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:01,527 He happened to be Jamie's neighbor when they were in Colorado 854 00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:03,775 and they met walking dogs. 855 00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:05,323 But Ben was dark. 856 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,488 He didn't just think the whole system would fail. 857 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:09,786 He thought the whole world was going down. 858 00:42:11,821 --> 00:42:13,915 Every one of these vegetables is fresh from my garden. 859 00:42:16,409 --> 00:42:17,706 You guys should start your own garden. 860 00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:20,129 What you got to do is get your soil off the petrochemicals. 861 00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:21,251 Hmm. 862 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:23,549 I used wood ash and urine to help restore the soil. 863 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:25,217 It creates ammonium nitrate. 864 00:42:25,293 --> 00:42:27,045 Seeds are gonna be the new currency. 865 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,172 And not those Franken-seeds from Monsanto. 866 00:42:29,255 --> 00:42:31,849 I'm talking about good, healthy, organic seeds. 867 00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,050 Make yourself a garden. 868 00:42:33,134 --> 00:42:34,602 - Learn to live off the land. -You're a fucking lunatic. 869 00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:36,896 Ben had real experience in a big bank. 870 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:40,646 Jamie and Charlie had never even been in a Manhattan bank bathroom. 871 00:42:40,767 --> 00:42:42,440 But Ben was done with the banking world. 872 00:42:42,518 --> 00:42:43,861 He was very clear. 873 00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:45,529 All right, let's crunch some numbers 874 00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:47,983 and then maybe we'll talk about calling Ben. 875 00:42:48,066 --> 00:42:49,113 We're always crunching numbers. 876 00:42:49,192 --> 00:42:50,239 When haven't we crunched the numbers? 877 00:42:50,318 --> 00:42:51,365 We're gonna crunch the numbers like harder... 878 00:42:51,486 --> 00:42:52,453 I need you out of here. 879 00:42:52,528 --> 00:42:53,575 Of course. One second. 880 00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:54,325 Yes, ma'am. We're going. 881 00:42:57,533 --> 00:42:59,831 Oh, God. I hate this. This is a total waste of time. 882 00:43:00,036 --> 00:43:02,380 Oh, come on. Would you relax? 883 00:43:03,122 --> 00:43:06,251 There's a housing development 45 minutes outside town. 884 00:43:06,334 --> 00:43:08,211 Mark wants us to check that out first. 885 00:43:08,294 --> 00:43:10,296 Well, I hope there are some Cuban restaurants on the way there. 886 00:43:10,379 --> 00:43:13,007 Because I heard the Cuban food is amazing in Miami. 887 00:43:13,091 --> 00:43:15,810 Please don't be chipper in the face of me being miserable. 888 00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:17,558 It really makes me hate you. 889 00:43:17,637 --> 00:43:20,186 How is wanting to eat good food being chipper? 890 00:43:21,891 --> 00:43:23,063 Hello? 891 00:43:24,477 --> 00:43:25,729 Hello? 892 00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:27,864 What do these go for? 893 00:43:29,524 --> 00:43:31,242 $425,000 each? 894 00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:54,682 What's up, man? What do you want? 895 00:43:54,757 --> 00:43:58,102 Hello. I'm surveying mortgage owners who are over 90 days delinquent. 896 00:43:58,177 --> 00:44:00,726 I'm looking for a Harvey Humpsey. 897 00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:01,977 You want my landlord's dog? 898 00:44:04,142 --> 00:44:05,610 Your landlord filled out his mortgage application 899 00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:08,154 using his dog's name? 900 00:44:08,229 --> 00:44:09,697 I guess so. 901 00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:12,275 Wait, has that asshole not been paying his mortgage? 902 00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:13,701 'Cause I've been paying my rent. 903 00:44:13,776 --> 00:44:15,699 Well, yeah, he is over 90 days delinquent. 904 00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:17,663 Seriously, man. 905 00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:19,536 Am I gonna have to leave? 906 00:44:22,076 --> 00:44:24,454 'Cause my kid just got settled in school, man. 907 00:44:24,537 --> 00:44:26,710 Hey. How are ya? 908 00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:28,545 My name's Ken. 909 00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:29,883 You're Ken? 910 00:44:29,959 --> 00:44:31,757 Um, you should talk to your landlord about that. 911 00:44:31,836 --> 00:44:33,338 I'm sorry, I don't have any more information. 912 00:44:33,421 --> 00:44:34,798 But you, um... 913 00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,057 You have a great day. See ya, Ken. 914 00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:38,555 There's books everywhere! 915 00:44:38,634 --> 00:44:40,887 Books everywhere? 916 00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:44,224 Seriously, man, is everything gonna be okay? 917 00:44:44,307 --> 00:44:47,402 You should... You should call him. 918 00:44:47,476 --> 00:44:48,523 You should give him a call. 919 00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,276 It's not my fault, dude. I've been paying... 920 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:55,242 Hello! 921 00:44:59,155 --> 00:45:01,283 Looks like the Mary Celeste. 922 00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:04,118 Look. All they took was the TV. 923 00:45:04,911 --> 00:45:06,879 It's weird. 924 00:45:06,954 --> 00:45:09,298 They didn't even clean out the cat litter. 925 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,887 Oh, GOG. 926 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,442 It's like Chernobyl. 927 00:45:32,521 --> 00:45:35,946 There's like a hundred houses. There can't be four people living here. 928 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:40,158 - Oh, fuck that! -Shit! 929 00:45:55,044 --> 00:45:56,170 He's been in there for seven hours. 930 00:45:56,295 --> 00:45:57,888 Where does he go to the bathroom? 931 00:45:58,506 --> 00:45:59,598 I heard he had a breakdown. 932 00:45:59,674 --> 00:46:01,642 He's letting the fund tank. 933 00:46:01,717 --> 00:46:03,185 My buddy in Manhattan said... 934 00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:04,849 Dr. Burry's office. 935 00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:06,806 No, he actually prefers that you email him. 936 00:46:06,889 --> 00:46:08,186 Excuse me. 937 00:46:08,516 --> 00:46:09,517 Mr. Fields, Mr... 938 00:46:13,646 --> 00:46:15,398 - Hi, Lawrence. - Holy shit! 939 00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:20,574 We have no confidence in your ability to identify 940 00:46:20,653 --> 00:46:22,246 macroeconomic trends. 941 00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:27,122 You flew here to tell me that? Why? 942 00:46:27,201 --> 00:46:30,626 Anyone can see that there is a real estate bubble. 943 00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:32,548 Actually, no one can see a bubble. 944 00:46:32,623 --> 00:46:33,840 That's what makes it a bubble. 945 00:46:33,916 --> 00:46:36,214 That's dumb, Lawrence. 946 00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:37,887 There's always markers. 947 00:46:38,629 --> 00:46:41,098 Mortgage fraud has 948 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:42,925 quintupled since 2000 949 00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:45,894 and the average take-home pay is flat, 950 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:47,438 but home prices are soaring. 951 00:46:47,513 --> 00:46:49,607 That means the homes are debt, not assets. 952 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:51,901 So Mike Burry of San Jose, a guy who 953 00:46:52,893 --> 00:46:56,272 gets his hair cut at Supercuts and doesn't wear shoes, 954 00:46:56,397 --> 00:46:59,241 knows more than Alan Greenspan and Hank Paulson. 955 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,401 Well... 956 00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:03,738 Dr. Mike Burry, yes, he does. 957 00:47:04,947 --> 00:47:06,745 That's cute. That's cute. 958 00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:09,168 Are you being sarcastic with us, Mike? 959 00:47:12,288 --> 00:47:13,710 Lawrence, 960 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:16,292 I don't know how to be sarcastic. 961 00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:19,758 I don't know how to be funny. I don't know how to 962 00:47:20,421 --> 00:47:21,889 work people. 963 00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:23,136 .33- 964 00:47:23,215 --> 00:47:25,559 I just know how to read numbers. 965 00:47:25,634 --> 00:47:28,137 How big is your short position right now? 966 00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:29,559 Urn... 967 00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:31,231 Just $1.3 billion. 968 00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:33,184 And the premiums? 969 00:47:33,309 --> 00:47:34,652 Well, we pay. uh. 970 00:47:35,102 --> 00:47:38,447 Roughly $80 to 90 million 971 00:47:38,564 --> 00:47:40,032 each year, which is high, 972 00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:42,201 but I was the first to do this trade. 973 00:47:42,276 --> 00:47:45,746 Watch. It will pay. I may have been early, but I'm not wrong. 974 00:47:45,821 --> 00:47:48,165 It's the same thing. It's the same thing, Mike! 975 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:53,121 You're managing a fund of, what, $555 million? 976 00:47:53,662 --> 00:47:57,166 In six years, it'll all be gone. 977 00:47:57,958 --> 00:47:59,380 On one bet. 978 00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:02,634 No, the second quarter of '07 is when the adjustable rates kick in. 979 00:48:02,755 --> 00:48:04,257 The defaults will skyrocket. 980 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:06,058 Yeah. Says you. 981 00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,602 How much is eligible for withdrawal before they do? 982 00:48:08,677 --> 00:48:10,600 Say, in the next two quarters. 983 00:48:11,305 --> 00:48:13,307 If your investors panic. 984 00:48:16,852 --> 00:48:17,899 $302 million? 985 00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:18,979 .33- 986 00:48:19,855 --> 00:48:21,482 My God, Mike. 987 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,243 No one will pull out. That would be suicide. 988 00:48:28,322 --> 00:48:30,745 I mean, I'm down 17% for the year. 989 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,164 But if they trust me, and they trust me, because... 990 00:48:33,244 --> 00:48:35,872 No one trusts you! No one! 991 00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:38,378 I sent several emails to my investors 992 00:48:38,499 --> 00:48:40,547 letting them know that the... 993 00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:44,592 ...the second quarter of '07 is when our 994 00:48:44,713 --> 00:48:47,182 housing positions show returns and... 995 00:48:48,551 --> 00:48:49,803 I've been very clear. 996 00:48:50,594 --> 00:48:53,438 People will withdraw their money. 997 00:48:54,014 --> 00:48:57,484 Lawrence, that would be so stupid. I mean, the... 998 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,064 if the fund's capitals drop too much, 999 00:49:01,522 --> 00:49:04,617 then the swaps contracts are voided. 1000 00:49:04,692 --> 00:49:07,946 And then the banks get to keep all of the collateral. 1001 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:10,247 - Wait a minute. Wait. - All of it. 1002 00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:12,492 The contracts are voided? 1003 00:49:12,575 --> 00:49:14,373 The contracts are voided? 1004 00:49:15,077 --> 00:49:16,750 Holy shit! 1005 00:49:17,204 --> 00:49:18,205 Oh, motherfucker! 1006 00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:20,375 Michael? 1007 00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:22,422 Give me my money back. 1008 00:49:25,838 --> 00:49:29,217 Michael, do you hear me? I want my money back. 1009 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,063 Give me my fucking money back... 1010 00:49:35,097 --> 00:49:36,519 ...you motherfucker. 1011 00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:40,562 The market's in an itsy-bitsy little gully right now. 1012 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,939 It's like everybody said, "Okay, that was crazy. 1013 00:49:43,022 --> 00:49:44,899 "Let's just all calm down." 1014 00:49:46,734 --> 00:49:49,954 I sold that house for $350,000 the year it was built. 1015 00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:52,786 Two years later, $480,000. 1016 00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:56,081 Then $585,000 maybe 18 months ago. 1017 00:49:56,202 --> 00:49:58,751 This couple bought it for $650,000 last year. 1018 00:49:59,246 --> 00:50:01,089 He'd let it go for that. 1019 00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:02,838 Hi, John. 1020 00:50:02,917 --> 00:50:03,964 No, no, no. 1021 00:50:04,585 --> 00:50:05,962 It will break his heart, but he'll let it go. 1022 00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:07,838 Why is he selling? 1023 00:50:07,922 --> 00:50:09,765 Neither one's working right now. 1024 00:50:10,758 --> 00:50:13,386 Marlene, you'd say they're motivated, right? 1025 00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:16,473 As motivated as one can be in this neighborhood. 1026 00:50:16,555 --> 00:50:19,104 This house on the left, I would say they're probably motivated. 1027 00:50:19,183 --> 00:50:21,151 Wow, a lot of people seem very motivated. 1028 00:50:21,227 --> 00:50:22,319 Oh, it's just the gully. 1029 00:50:22,603 --> 00:50:24,355 That's all. Just... 1030 00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:25,860 Just nerves. 1031 00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:27,658 So where do we stand? 1032 00:50:28,817 --> 00:50:31,320 I need to talk to my wife. Um... 1033 00:50:31,403 --> 00:50:32,700 This market won't last. 1034 00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:34,578 Actually, could I talk to a mortgage broker? 1035 00:50:34,657 --> 00:50:36,500 Anybody you recommend? Anybody you like. 1036 00:50:36,575 --> 00:50:38,577 Yes, yes, I have someone. Absolutely. 1037 00:50:38,661 --> 00:50:39,913 Yeah, bitch better like me. 1038 00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:41,247 Sent her ass to Cabo. 1039 00:50:42,873 --> 00:50:45,467 So is Morgan Stanley recruiting us? Is that it? 1040 00:50:45,751 --> 00:50:48,721 Oh, no. No. The bank owns our hedge fund, 1041 00:50:48,796 --> 00:50:49,843 but we're not really part of it. 1042 00:50:49,964 --> 00:50:52,433 We invest in financial service companies 1043 00:50:52,508 --> 00:50:55,478 and we're trying to understand the residential mortgage business. 1044 00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:58,477 How many loans do you write each month? 1045 00:50:58,597 --> 00:51:00,144 - About 60. - Yeah. 1046 00:51:00,224 --> 00:51:01,692 What was it four years ago? 1047 00:51:02,643 --> 00:51:03,986 Ten... 1048 00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:05,313 Maybe 15. 1049 00:51:05,396 --> 00:51:07,694 Yeah, I was a bartender. Now I own a boat. 1050 00:51:07,773 --> 00:51:08,740 You own a... 1051 00:51:08,816 --> 00:51:12,070 So how many of these are adjustable-rate mortgages? 1052 00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:13,825 - Well, most. - Oh, yeah. 1053 00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:15,872 Yeah, I'd say about 90%. 1054 00:51:15,948 --> 00:51:19,077 The bonuses on those skyrocketed a few years ago. 1055 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:20,456 Adjustable's our bread and honey. 1056 00:51:20,536 --> 00:51:23,085 So do applicants ever get rejected? 1057 00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:28,635 Seriously? 1058 00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,597 Look, if they get rejected, I suck at my job. 1059 00:51:31,672 --> 00:51:33,174 Even if they have no money? 1060 00:51:33,257 --> 00:51:36,136 Well, my firm offers NINJA loans. 1061 00:51:36,218 --> 00:51:38,687 - Okay. - "No Income, No Job." 1062 00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:41,232 I just leave the income section blank if I want. 1063 00:51:41,307 --> 00:51:42,559 Corporate doesn't care. 1064 00:51:42,641 --> 00:51:45,941 These people just want homes. And they go with the flow. 1065 00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:47,021 Good for you. 1066 00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:48,151 Your companies don't verify? 1067 00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:53,861 If I write a loan on Friday afternoon, 1068 00:51:54,737 --> 00:51:56,739 a big bank will buy it by Monday lunch. 1069 00:51:57,281 --> 00:51:58,624 Yeah. Same here. 1070 00:52:00,409 --> 00:52:01,786 Could you hold on a second? 1071 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:03,287 Yeah. 1072 00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:11,633 I don't get it. Why are they confessing? 1073 00:52:11,712 --> 00:52:13,680 They're not confessing. 1074 00:52:13,797 --> 00:52:15,470 They're bragging. 1075 00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:28,229 Do people have any idea what they are buying? 1076 00:52:29,188 --> 00:52:31,441 I focus on the immigrants, you know. 1077 00:52:31,523 --> 00:52:32,945 Once they find out they're getting a home, 1078 00:52:33,025 --> 00:52:34,618 they sign where you tell them to sign. 1079 00:52:34,693 --> 00:52:36,821 Don't ask questions. Don't understand the rates. 1080 00:52:36,904 --> 00:52:38,372 - Fucking idiots. -Yeah. 1081 00:52:38,447 --> 00:52:39,869 And you target immigrants, too? 1082 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:42,792 Well, their credit actually isn't bad enough for him. 1083 00:52:44,703 --> 00:52:46,376 Look, I'm a yield guy. 1084 00:52:46,872 --> 00:52:47,919 Okay... 1085 00:52:48,999 --> 00:52:52,424 I make $2,000 on a fixed-rate prime loan, right? 1086 00:52:52,503 --> 00:52:56,133 But I can make $10,000 on a subprime adjustable. 1087 00:52:56,215 --> 00:52:59,185 Trust me, I'm not driving a 7 Series without strippers. 1088 00:52:59,259 --> 00:53:02,559 No one on the pole has good credit and they're all cash rich. 1089 00:53:02,638 --> 00:53:04,982 I think I read Warren Buffett say something like that. 1090 00:53:05,474 --> 00:53:07,727 What? Who's Warren Buffett? 1091 00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,987 Okay, so strippers. Like exotic dancers? 1092 00:53:11,063 --> 00:53:12,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1093 00:53:12,356 --> 00:53:14,324 Nude, you know, topless. 1094 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,243 - Strippers. -Yeah. 1095 00:53:19,822 --> 00:53:21,039 Can you introduce us? 1096 00:53:21,115 --> 00:53:23,538 Yes! Yes. 1097 00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:28,543 I always get option-pay adjustables. I'm a private contractor. 1098 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:30,295 What? I can't hear you. I'm sorry. 1099 00:53:30,374 --> 00:53:32,217 I always get option-pay adjustables. 1100 00:53:32,292 --> 00:53:34,545 I'm a private contractor. I need flexibility. 1101 00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:37,222 And you tell the mortgage company what you do? 1102 00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:39,299 I write "therapist". 1103 00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:40,851 - You can touch me. -Always? 1104 00:53:41,468 --> 00:53:42,515 Only in V.l.P. 1105 00:53:42,594 --> 00:53:45,222 No, no, no, you say you always do adjustables. 1106 00:53:45,305 --> 00:53:47,103 And you have more than one loan on a property? 1107 00:53:47,182 --> 00:53:49,401 Everybody does. At least down here. 1108 00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:50,477 I'm sorry, what? 1109 00:53:50,561 --> 00:53:53,155 Everybody does. At least down here. 1110 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:55,403 That way you only put down, like, 5%. 1111 00:53:55,482 --> 00:53:57,280 Prices have leveled off, though, right? 1112 00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:59,202 Yeah. There's a gully. 1113 00:53:59,278 --> 00:54:02,999 Would you mind not moving anymore? I'll still pay you. 1114 00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:09,504 Sorry. We're not alone. 1115 00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:12,208 Okay, look. if home prices don't go up, 1116 00:54:12,291 --> 00:54:14,589 you are not going to be able to refinance. 1117 00:54:14,668 --> 00:54:17,797 And you'll be stuck paying whatever your monthly payment is 1118 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,599 once itjumps up after your teaser rate expires. 1119 00:54:21,008 --> 00:54:23,056 Your monthlies could go up 200%-300%. 1120 00:54:23,469 --> 00:54:25,517 James says I can always refinance. 1121 00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:27,394 Well, he's a liar. 1122 00:54:27,473 --> 00:54:30,602 Actually, in this particular case, James probably is wrong. 1123 00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:33,984 200 percent? On all my loans? 1124 00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:35,439 What do you mean "all" your loans? 1125 00:54:35,522 --> 00:54:37,945 We're talking about two loans on one house, right? 1126 00:54:38,776 --> 00:54:40,744 I have five houses. 1127 00:54:40,861 --> 00:54:42,829 And a condo. 1128 00:54:44,698 --> 00:54:46,200 Hey, there's a bubble. 1129 00:54:46,283 --> 00:54:47,284 How do you know? 1130 00:54:47,367 --> 00:54:50,792 Trust me. Call Vennett, buy $50 million in swaps on the MBS. 1131 00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:53,795 What do we got? Garibaldi IV, BBB. 1132 00:54:53,874 --> 00:54:55,376 Mark, are you sure? 1133 00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:57,302 Yeah. Yeah, it's time to call bullshit. 1134 00:54:57,377 --> 00:55:00,051 - Bullshit on what? -Every fucking thing. 1135 00:55:24,238 --> 00:55:25,911 FrontPoint! FrontPoint! 1136 00:55:27,741 --> 00:55:29,539 Is this America's angriest hedge fund? 1137 00:55:29,618 --> 00:55:31,746 All right, listen. I got one last question for you. 1138 00:55:32,913 --> 00:55:34,756 How are you fucking us? 1139 00:55:36,583 --> 00:55:38,130 There's a nicer way to say that, Vinnie. 1140 00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:39,757 I'm serious. 1141 00:55:39,837 --> 00:55:42,932 We'll buy your swaps, but only if you say how you're fucking us. 1142 00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:45,509 I'm not fucking you, Vinnie. I'm kissing you. 1143 00:55:45,592 --> 00:55:48,345 I'm looking deep into your eyes as I make love to you, Vinnie. 1144 00:55:48,428 --> 00:55:51,773 I'm handing you the deal of the century on a fucking platter. 1145 00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:54,227 What do I get out of it? Easy. 1146 00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:56,732 I got a $20-million-a-month negative carry. 1147 00:55:56,812 --> 00:55:58,189 I got bosses trying to pull the plug 1148 00:55:58,272 --> 00:56:00,695 because they think I'm out of my fucking mind. 1149 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:01,775 All right? 1150 00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:02,951 We make this trade, 1151 00:56:03,026 --> 00:56:05,370 those problems aren't so big anymore. 1152 00:56:05,445 --> 00:56:09,200 And sure, swaps are a dark market, so I set the price. 1153 00:56:09,283 --> 00:56:10,785 Whatever price I want. 1154 00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:12,290 And when you come for the payday, 1155 00:56:12,411 --> 00:56:14,630 I'm gonna rip your eyes out, I'm gonna make a fortune. 1156 00:56:15,747 --> 00:56:17,249 But the good news is, Vinnie, you're not gonna care 1157 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:19,551 because you're gonna make so much fucking money. 1158 00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:20,923 That's what I get out of it. 1159 00:56:21,003 --> 00:56:22,300 Want to know what you get out of it? 1160 00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:25,883 You get the ice cream, the hot fudge, the banana, and the nuts. 1161 00:56:25,966 --> 00:56:27,718 Right now, I get the sprinkles, and, yeah, 1162 00:56:27,801 --> 00:56:30,429 if this goes through, I get the cherry. 1163 00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:32,731 But you get the sundae, Vinnie. 1164 00:56:32,806 --> 00:56:34,479 You get the sundae. 1165 00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:39,734 All right, I buy that. Thank you. 1166 00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:41,986 So what do you say? 1167 00:56:42,065 --> 00:56:43,942 - You want me to make you a market? -Yeah. 1168 00:56:44,026 --> 00:56:47,530 We'll take $50 million, Garibaldi IV, BBB. 1169 00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:51,037 Sharpen your pencils. I'll get the paperwork ready. 1170 00:56:53,744 --> 00:56:55,246 Fuck you, too. 1171 00:56:57,205 --> 00:56:58,707 Yes! 1172 00:57:00,667 --> 00:57:01,668 That's right. 1173 00:57:03,795 --> 00:57:05,718 Oh, man. 1174 00:57:05,797 --> 00:57:10,018 He has so many numbers, and I always forget 1175 00:57:10,135 --> 00:57:11,762 which one he prefers, because he's very specific. 1176 00:57:11,845 --> 00:57:13,062 Start with the first one. 1177 00:57:13,138 --> 00:57:14,355 I don't know if it's the first one. 1178 00:57:14,473 --> 00:57:15,770 Just try it. 1179 00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:17,396 Okay. I... Okay. 1180 00:57:35,035 --> 00:57:37,788 - Ben Rickert. - Hey, Ben. It's Jamie. 1181 00:57:39,331 --> 00:57:41,208 Jamie, you know you're not supposed to use this line. 1182 00:57:43,669 --> 00:57:44,921 Told you. 1183 00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:48,970 Okay, let's try number two out of 14. 1184 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,561 Ben Rickert. 1185 00:58:01,645 --> 00:58:03,647 Ben, why do you do that, man? I mean... 1186 00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:06,153 You're a retired trader, okay? No one is listening to your calls. 1187 00:58:06,233 --> 00:58:07,951 The NSA has a $52 billion budget and the ability 1188 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:09,403 to monitor tens of millions of calls a second. 1189 00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:11,830 You think they're not using it? 1190 00:58:11,905 --> 00:58:14,749 Hey, I promise I will refrain from saying 1191 00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:16,998 "Ben Rickert" and "dirty bomb" in the same sent... 1192 00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:20,543 - Jesus fucking Christ. -I'm sorry, dude. 1193 00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:22,090 {BEEPS) 1194 00:58:22,165 --> 00:58:23,257 Ben Rickert. 1195 00:58:23,375 --> 00:58:25,753 Did you get a chance to look at what we sent you, Ben? 1196 00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:28,009 It's Charlie. I'm here, too. 1197 00:58:28,755 --> 00:58:31,099 Hi, Charlie. Yeah, I did. Hold on. 1198 00:58:37,097 --> 00:58:38,189 Ben, you still there? 1199 00:58:38,306 --> 00:58:39,432 Yeah. 1200 00:58:40,183 --> 00:58:42,231 I'll be honest, gentlemen. 1201 00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:44,233 It scared the shit out of me. 1202 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:45,731 But that's a good thing, right? 1203 00:58:45,814 --> 00:58:48,613 That means this Vennett guy's not wrong. 1204 00:58:49,317 --> 00:58:50,409 No, he's not. 1205 00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:54,114 Cool. 1206 00:58:54,197 --> 00:58:55,790 Tell me more about these CDOs. 1207 00:58:55,866 --> 00:58:59,621 Yeah, yeah. Okay, so, you know, Vennett mentions the CDOs, 1208 00:58:59,745 --> 00:59:01,292 but actually, we took a look 1209 00:59:01,371 --> 00:59:02,998 and they're way worse than even he realizes. 1210 00:59:03,123 --> 00:59:04,545 These things don't make any sense! 1211 00:59:04,624 --> 00:59:05,876 We can't even model them. 1212 00:59:05,959 --> 00:59:08,678 These are 100 times bigger than the MBS. 1213 00:59:08,754 --> 00:59:10,347 And 90% AAA-rated. 1214 00:59:10,422 --> 00:59:12,174 - Yes! Exactly! -Over 90%. 1215 00:59:12,299 --> 00:59:13,391 It's incredible. 1216 00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:16,641 I took a good hard look at the CDOs you want to short. 1217 00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:19,810 They're brilliant. Worthless. Total crap. 1218 00:59:20,474 --> 00:59:22,647 Jamie. Very good. 1219 00:59:22,726 --> 00:59:26,230 What can I say? I'm good at finding shit. 1220 00:59:26,313 --> 00:59:29,066 So, Ben, we shorted the BB's and the BBB 's, 1221 00:59:29,149 --> 00:59:31,243 and the risk is relatively low. 1222 00:59:31,318 --> 00:59:33,992 - Payoff is, like, 25-to-1. -Yeah. 1223 00:59:36,323 --> 00:59:38,417 Okay, so, why are you calling me? I don't do this anymore. 1224 00:59:38,492 --> 00:59:39,664 Look, Ben'? 1225 00:59:40,994 --> 00:59:44,749 We need you to help us get the ISDA. 1226 00:59:44,831 --> 00:59:47,926 If we get a hunting license, we can short this crap. 1227 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:49,173 And we know you hate Wall Street. 1228 00:59:49,294 --> 00:59:50,466 We're not asking you to do the trading. 1229 00:59:50,545 --> 00:59:54,516 We're simply asking you to help us get a seat 1230 00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:57,765 at the fucking table. 1231 00:59:57,844 --> 00:59:59,767 It's a pretty ugly table, guys. 1232 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:04,852 Look, Ben, the system fucked up in a big, big way here, okay? 1233 01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:07,029 And somehow, uh, 1234 01:00:07,354 --> 01:00:10,028 we know before anyone else. 1235 01:00:10,357 --> 01:00:13,281 You know? This is a once-in-a-lifetime deal. 1236 01:00:15,862 --> 01:00:16,863 I'm thinking. 1237 01:00:21,952 --> 01:00:23,875 Okay. I'll call Deutsche Bank. 1238 01:00:23,954 --> 01:00:26,207 Thank you, Ben. Thank you. 1239 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:29,884 And Bear. What about Bear? They have some reprehensible product. 1240 01:00:30,210 --> 01:00:32,554 Okay. Bear will trade with anybody. 1241 01:01:20,677 --> 01:01:23,430 All right. I'll see if I can push it through. 1242 01:01:23,513 --> 01:01:25,356 Thank you, Noah. And thank Jared for us. 1243 01:01:27,309 --> 01:01:28,526 Couldn't we go inside? 1244 01:01:28,643 --> 01:01:29,860 Yeah, me, too. 1245 01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,324 Hi. It's Mark. I need to talk to Vinnie right now. 1246 01:02:16,399 --> 01:02:19,824 We're just asking you to explain to us 1247 01:02:19,986 --> 01:02:22,455 just how it is that you are fucking us, 1248 01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:23,782 because what we are seeing... 1249 01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:28,003 Morgan Stanley building, fast. 1250 01:02:28,954 --> 01:02:31,423 Are we hooked up to the same computer screen? 1251 01:02:31,498 --> 01:02:33,171 It doesn't make any sense. 1252 01:02:36,002 --> 01:02:37,470 Vinnie, you there? 1253 01:02:37,879 --> 01:02:38,880 Mark, you there? 1254 01:02:38,964 --> 01:02:39,931 Yeah, did you hear? 1255 01:02:40,006 --> 01:02:41,758 Mortgage defaults have gone through the roof. 1256 01:02:41,841 --> 01:02:43,309 Is anybody jumping off of buildings yet? 1257 01:02:43,385 --> 01:02:45,604 Why would they? Subprime mortgage bond prices are up. 1258 01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:46,726 What? 1259 01:02:46,805 --> 01:02:50,105 Vennett wants $1.9 million more in collateral by close. 1260 01:02:50,183 --> 01:02:51,480 Vennett's asking us to post collateral. 1261 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:52,981 What the hell is going on? 1262 01:02:53,061 --> 01:02:55,029 We don't know, but Deutsche's on the phone demanding payment. 1263 01:02:55,105 --> 01:02:56,948 Call Vennett. Cal! that little shit. 1264 01:02:57,023 --> 01:02:58,991 Call Vennett. Tell him to get his ass down here. 1265 01:02:59,067 --> 01:03:00,865 So subprime loans go bad, 1266 01:03:00,944 --> 01:03:04,164 but subprime bonds, which are made up of subprime loans, are more valuable? 1267 01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,708 I know. They want another $1.9 million by market close. 1268 01:03:06,825 --> 01:03:08,953 What about the ratings agencies? Moody's, S&P... 1269 01:03:09,035 --> 01:03:11,458 Are they downgrading the CDOs and mortgage bonds? 1270 01:03:11,538 --> 01:03:12,630 Where are the ratings agencies at? 1271 01:03:12,706 --> 01:03:14,208 They're the fucking same. 1272 01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:15,800 No, they're all still AAA. 1273 01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:18,378 What the hell? Are you fucking kidding me? 1274 01:03:18,461 --> 01:03:20,555 Those fuckers! Those motherfuckers! 1275 01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:23,600 They go public, and all they care about is their bottom line and their shit. 1276 01:03:23,675 --> 01:03:25,427 Hey, Mark, that's not all. 1277 01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:26,807 The Morgan Stanley risk guys are here. 1278 01:03:26,886 --> 01:03:28,263 They called in Kathy Tao. 1279 01:03:28,346 --> 01:03:30,474 They're trying to convince her to make us sell our swaps. 1280 01:03:30,557 --> 01:03:32,810 Apparently, tying up six years of insurance payments 1281 01:03:32,892 --> 01:03:34,644 in hopes of a housing Armageddon 1282 01:03:34,728 --> 01:03:35,980 is not prudent investing. 1283 01:03:36,104 --> 01:03:37,356 What did Kathy say? 1284 01:03:37,439 --> 01:03:40,158 Nothing yet. She keeps asking if this is one of your crusades. 1285 01:03:40,233 --> 01:03:42,156 Okay, I want you to walk back in there 1286 01:03:42,235 --> 01:03:43,908 and very calmly, very politely, 1287 01:03:43,987 --> 01:03:46,661 tell the risk assessors to fuck off. 1288 01:03:46,781 --> 01:03:48,408 And then meet me over at Standard & Poofs. 1289 01:03:48,533 --> 01:03:50,035 We're gonna talk to Georgia. 1290 01:03:50,118 --> 01:03:51,165 All right. Okay. 1291 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,167 Get that fuck Jared Vennett in this office. 1292 01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:55,044 I'm gonna bash his fucking head in. 1293 01:04:00,045 --> 01:04:01,638 Uh, gentlemen? 1294 01:04:01,713 --> 01:04:04,762 I spoke with Mark Baum. He says to fuck off. 1295 01:04:18,563 --> 01:04:20,907 I can't see a damn thing. 1296 01:04:22,275 --> 01:04:24,778 My eye doctor's always busy. 1297 01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:26,659 I end up taking any appointment they'll give me, 1298 01:04:26,738 --> 01:04:29,082 and then the whole morning gets shot to hell! 1299 01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:31,743 So... 1300 01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:33,745 All righiy. 1301 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,623 FrontPoint Partners, 1302 01:04:37,165 --> 01:04:39,543 how can Standard & Poor's help you? 1303 01:04:39,626 --> 01:04:40,878 Well, we don't understand why 1304 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,588 the ratings agencies haven't downgraded subprime bonds 1305 01:04:43,671 --> 01:04:46,720 since the underlying loans are clearly deteriorating. 1306 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,223 Well, the delinquency rates do have people worried, 1307 01:04:49,302 --> 01:04:51,100 but they're actually within our models. 1308 01:04:51,179 --> 01:04:53,147 - So... - Says you. 1309 01:04:54,307 --> 01:04:56,730 ...you're convinced the underlying mortgages 1310 01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:59,233 in these bonds are solid loans. 1311 01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:01,231 That is our opinion, yes. 1312 01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:03,408 Have you looked at the loan-level data? 1313 01:05:03,483 --> 01:05:05,235 I mean, they're giving these loans 1314 01:05:05,318 --> 01:05:06,570 to anybody with a credit score and a pulse. 1315 01:05:06,653 --> 01:05:09,247 Excuse me, sir. What do you think we do here all day? 1316 01:05:09,322 --> 01:05:10,369 We're not sure. That's why we're here. 1317 01:05:10,448 --> 01:05:11,574 Here's what I don't understand... 1318 01:05:11,658 --> 01:05:13,376 We check, recheck, recheck again. 1319 01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:14,790 If these mortgage bonds are so stable... 1320 01:05:14,869 --> 01:05:16,587 Perhaps you could check your friend. 1321 01:05:16,663 --> 01:05:18,665 ...have you ever refused to rate... 1322 01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:20,091 Ma'am, that's delusional. 1323 01:05:20,166 --> 01:05:21,292 We stand behind them. 1324 01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:22,969 Georgia, have you ever refused to rate 1325 01:05:23,044 --> 01:05:26,344 any of these bonds upper tranches AAA? 1326 01:05:26,423 --> 01:05:28,016 Can we see the paperwork on those deals? 1327 01:05:28,091 --> 01:05:30,093 I am under no obligation to share that information 1328 01:05:30,176 --> 01:05:31,268 with you, whoever you might be. 1329 01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:33,062 Just answer the question, Georgia. 1330 01:05:33,179 --> 01:05:35,147 Can you name one time in the past year 1331 01:05:35,223 --> 01:05:36,566 where you checked the tape 1332 01:05:36,641 --> 01:05:40,862 and you didn't give the banks the AAA percentage they wanted? 1333 01:05:43,106 --> 01:05:44,278 If we don't give them the ratings, 1334 01:05:44,357 --> 01:05:46,280 they'll go to Moody's, right down the block. 1335 01:05:47,193 --> 01:05:50,538 If we don't work with them, they will go to our competitors. 1336 01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:54,371 Not our fault. Simply the way the world works. 1337 01:05:58,705 --> 01:06:01,208 - Holy shit. - Yes, now you see. 1338 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:04,298 And I never said that. 1339 01:06:04,377 --> 01:06:06,800 They're selling ratings for fees. 1340 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,847 A ratings shop. 1341 01:06:07,922 --> 01:06:10,766 You can afford to make less. Make less. 1342 01:06:10,842 --> 01:06:12,719 Nobody said that. 1343 01:06:12,802 --> 01:06:14,975 And it is not my decision. I have a boss. 1344 01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:16,397 Are you kidding me? 1345 01:06:16,556 --> 01:06:17,853 No, I am not "kidding you". 1346 01:06:17,932 --> 01:06:20,230 How'd your boss do on the IPO? 1347 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:21,527 Is that the angle you're taking? 1348 01:06:21,603 --> 01:06:25,153 So, now, anyone who has a boss can't be held responsible 1349 01:06:25,231 --> 01:06:26,653 for doing shitty and illegal things. 1350 01:06:26,733 --> 01:06:28,326 What are you, four? 1351 01:06:28,401 --> 01:06:32,702 No, I am not four, Mr. Baum. lam not, no. 1352 01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:36,159 And I wonder what your incentives might be. 1353 01:06:36,284 --> 01:06:37,831 Is it maybe in your best interest 1354 01:06:37,911 --> 01:06:40,915 to have the ratings change? Is it, perhaps? 1355 01:06:42,707 --> 01:06:45,256 How many credit default swaps do you own'? Hmm? 1356 01:06:47,295 --> 01:06:49,172 It doesn't make me wrong. 1357 01:06:49,255 --> 01:06:50,381 No. 1358 01:06:50,465 --> 01:06:52,593 It just makes you a hypocrite. 1359 01:07:33,216 --> 01:07:35,218 Fuck! 1360 01:07:35,301 --> 01:07:36,427 BEN". Mortgage delinquencies went up 1361 01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:38,559 and the CDOs got more valuable Unbelievable. 1362 01:07:38,638 --> 01:07:40,891 - Unbelievable. - We know. It's completely backwards. 1363 01:07:40,974 --> 01:07:42,567 I just called an old friend at Bear. 1364 01:07:42,642 --> 01:07:44,315 He didn't even know what a CDO is. 1365 01:07:44,394 --> 01:07:48,740 Yeah, I just had to wire Bear and Deutsche $70,000. 1366 01:07:48,815 --> 01:07:51,159 It's like two plus two equals 1367 01:07:51,651 --> 01:07:52,823 fish. 1368 01:07:52,902 --> 01:07:55,576 It's rigged. We bought into a rigged game. 1369 01:07:55,655 --> 01:07:57,453 We're gonna lose everything. 1370 01:07:57,532 --> 01:08:00,001 I'm gonna have to move back in with my mom. 1371 01:08:00,535 --> 01:08:01,912 Can't do that. 1372 01:08:01,995 --> 01:08:04,168 AH right. Well, I got a colonic appointment. 1373 01:08:04,247 --> 01:08:05,920 Wait a minute. Hold on, Ben. 1374 01:08:05,999 --> 01:08:07,342 Ben, look. 1375 01:08:07,417 --> 01:08:09,795 Either the banks are clueless 1376 01:08:09,877 --> 01:08:12,175 and they don't know how to value these CDOs, 1377 01:08:12,255 --> 01:08:17,261 or they're such crooks that the CDOs are worth shit 1378 01:08:17,427 --> 01:08:19,020 and they're hiding it. 1379 01:08:21,347 --> 01:08:22,815 I think we should buy more swaps. 1380 01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:24,396 What? 1381 01:08:24,475 --> 01:08:26,477 Suck it up and pay up, fellas. We made a deal. 1382 01:08:26,561 --> 01:08:28,609 No way! No! 1383 01:08:28,688 --> 01:08:30,110 Are you fucking kidding me? 1384 01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:32,533 Are you serious? You think this is a game? 1385 01:08:32,609 --> 01:08:33,861 No. No. No. No. No. 1386 01:08:34,027 --> 01:08:35,279 Yeah. Yeah. 1387 01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:43,499 No! No! No! 1388 01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:45,293 No, seriously, a colonic once a year. 1389 01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:46,372 Ass! 1390 01:08:46,456 --> 01:08:48,800 And you got a matching little butler boy, you buttfuck! 1391 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:54,972 - Are you done? - I think so, yeah. 1392 01:08:55,048 --> 01:08:57,801 God! I pulled a muscle in my back from yelling. 1393 01:08:58,718 --> 01:08:59,719 Ow! 1394 01:09:00,386 --> 01:09:03,731 Mortgage defaults have done nothing but go up. 1395 01:09:04,057 --> 01:09:07,231 Yet you quote us a higher price on the bonds. 1396 01:09:08,102 --> 01:09:10,230 Please explain that to me. There's no way that makes sense. 1397 01:09:10,313 --> 01:09:13,317 There's no way you're marking these swaps appropriately. 1398 01:09:13,983 --> 01:09:15,906 Why shouldn't we back out of this trade right now? 1399 01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:20,077 Didn't I say when we made this deal 1400 01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:21,825 that the ratings agencies, the SEC 1401 01:09:21,908 --> 01:09:24,411 and the big banks were clueless? Didn't I say that? 1402 01:09:24,494 --> 01:09:25,791 - Yes. - Didn't I say it? 1403 01:09:25,870 --> 01:09:27,713 Yes, you did. You did. 1404 01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:29,298 Shut up. 1405 01:09:29,374 --> 01:09:30,717 Now their foot's on fire, they think 1406 01:09:30,792 --> 01:09:32,339 their steak is done, and you're surprised? 1407 01:09:32,418 --> 01:09:35,217 That's not stupidity. That's fraud. 1408 01:09:35,296 --> 01:09:37,014 Tell me the difference between stupid and illegal, 1409 01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:39,092 and I'll have my wife's brother arrested. 1410 01:09:40,968 --> 01:09:41,969 That was funny. 1411 01:09:42,095 --> 01:09:45,770 I guess you just don't realize how clueless the system really is. 1412 01:09:45,848 --> 01:09:48,192 Yes, there's some shady shit going down, 1413 01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:51,612 but trust me, it's fueled by stupidity! 1414 01:09:52,814 --> 01:09:54,157 Look at yourselves. 1415 01:09:54,941 --> 01:09:58,411 You know, you pass yourself off as cynical people 1416 01:09:58,486 --> 01:10:00,864 but you still have some faith in the system, don't you? 1417 01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:02,244 I don't. 1418 01:10:02,323 --> 01:10:05,202 Well, except for Vinnie. And who gives a shit? 1419 01:10:05,284 --> 01:10:07,036 - No way! - Look... 1420 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,294 Either we're right or we're wrong in a giant, giant way. 1421 01:10:10,373 --> 01:10:12,250 And if we're wrong, then we got to find someone 1422 01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:13,960 to help us get out of this trade. 1423 01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:16,796 I'm not feeling remotely confident that we're right. 1424 01:10:16,879 --> 01:10:20,304 And if we're wrong, who's gonna tell us? 1425 01:10:20,383 --> 01:10:23,808 Who understands this stuff? It makes no sense! 1426 01:10:26,264 --> 01:10:28,062 BEN". I think we need to go to Vegas. 1427 01:10:28,141 --> 01:10:30,314 - What's in Vegas? -Vegas? 1428 01:10:30,393 --> 01:10:32,270 What the hell's in Las Vegas? 1429 01:10:33,354 --> 01:10:36,574 The American Securitization Forum is there next week. 1430 01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:39,072 Every bond and CDO salesman, subprime lender 1431 01:10:39,152 --> 01:10:41,246 and swap trader is gonna be there. 1432 01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,073 I'm telling you, your bet is against dumb money. 1433 01:10:44,157 --> 01:10:47,001 It's about time you find out just how dumb that money really is. 1434 01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:48,202 God, I hate Vegas. 1435 01:10:48,327 --> 01:10:49,749 I hear the food has gotten really good in Vegas. 1436 01:10:49,829 --> 01:10:51,331 They have a Nobu now. 1437 01:10:51,414 --> 01:10:52,791 Would you fucking stop it? 1438 01:11:39,378 --> 01:11:40,379 Any sense? 1439 01:11:40,546 --> 01:11:42,048 And if a bond is "rich" it is... 1440 01:11:42,381 --> 01:11:45,476 - I don't know, loaded with assets? -"Rich" just means overpriced. 1441 01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:47,519 I can't sleep on planes, so I did my homework. 1442 01:11:47,595 --> 01:11:50,018 Okay, let's focus. What's our goal? 1443 01:11:50,097 --> 01:11:52,441 To figure out if this is a deal of a lifetime 1444 01:11:52,517 --> 01:11:54,315 or if everyone here knows something we don't 1445 01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:56,236 and we're gonna get royally screwed. 1446 01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:59,065 Right. Remember that when you meet with the guys from Bear. 1447 01:11:59,232 --> 01:12:00,984 I set you up with a face-to-face. 1448 01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:02,364 - Awesome. -Where is that? 1449 01:12:02,443 --> 01:12:06,789 Holy shit. Five years ago, Securitization was a loser convention. 1450 01:12:06,864 --> 01:12:08,958 100, maybe 200 people would show. 1451 01:12:09,075 --> 01:12:11,203 $500 billion a year later, you get this. 1452 01:12:11,285 --> 01:12:12,958 There's a lot of smug-looking people in here, huh? 1453 01:12:13,037 --> 01:12:16,507 It's like someone hit a pifiata filled with white people who suck at golf. 1454 01:12:16,582 --> 01:12:18,084 I mean, who are all these clowns? 1455 01:12:18,167 --> 01:12:19,544 Oh, come on. I think it looks fun. 1456 01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:23,097 Certainly. Vennett says these are the people we're betting against. 1457 01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:25,049 - Yeah, here we go. Here we go. - There he is. 1458 01:12:25,132 --> 01:12:26,884 Chris, on my left. Chris, on my left. 1459 01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:28,469 Gentlemen. 1460 01:12:28,553 --> 01:12:32,148 When do we get a chance to face time with some of these lovely folks? 1461 01:12:32,223 --> 01:12:33,645 Chris, give him the keycards. 1462 01:12:33,766 --> 01:12:34,983 Do you even know which keycards you're giving out? 1463 01:12:35,059 --> 01:12:36,060 - You're just giving them out? -Thank you. 1464 01:12:36,143 --> 01:12:38,862 First of all, how was your travel? How are you? Uneventful? 1465 01:12:38,938 --> 01:12:40,155 - Uneventful. -Okay. 1466 01:12:40,231 --> 01:12:41,949 I've been here for six hours. I've already been to the gym, 1467 01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:43,367 I had two poached eggs 1468 01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:45,069 and I played blackjack with Harry Dean Stanton. 1469 01:12:45,152 --> 01:12:46,620 Thank you for your diary. 1470 01:12:47,071 --> 01:12:48,698 Face time. I'd like some face time. 1471 01:12:48,781 --> 01:12:50,249 Just remember. We're here to gather information. 1472 01:12:50,324 --> 01:12:51,746 We're gathering information, okay? 1473 01:12:51,826 --> 01:12:54,204 We're not advertising our short position. All right? 1474 01:12:54,287 --> 01:12:55,914 We don't want to spook everybody. Can you do that'? 1475 01:12:55,997 --> 01:12:57,544 I know you got a big mouth, you like to run it. 1476 01:12:57,623 --> 01:12:59,375 Can you just keep it shut for a few days? 1477 01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:00,584 Okay. Okay. 1478 01:13:00,668 --> 01:13:02,511 Yeah, don't worry. We'll play nice. 1479 01:13:02,628 --> 01:13:03,925 Ladies and gentlemen. 1480 01:13:04,005 --> 01:13:06,224 Business is good. 1481 01:13:06,299 --> 01:13:07,721 Profits are strong 1482 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,724 and the mortgage continues to be the bedrock 1483 01:13:10,803 --> 01:13:13,147 on which this economy is built. 1484 01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:19,403 And, yes, we had to take some losses 1485 01:13:19,478 --> 01:13:22,778 in our subprime department last year, but those losses 1486 01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:25,485 will be contained at only 5%. 1487 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:27,779 Now, in our residential sector... 1488 01:13:27,862 --> 01:13:29,034 Mark, it's not a Q and A. 1489 01:13:29,155 --> 01:13:30,828 ...our rollout of those variable rate packages 1490 01:13:30,907 --> 01:13:32,534 were gobbled up by the consumers! 1491 01:13:32,658 --> 01:13:34,706 I have a question, please. 1492 01:13:36,495 --> 01:13:37,496 Uh... 1493 01:13:37,663 --> 01:13:39,757 Sir, the Q and A is after my statements. 1494 01:13:39,832 --> 01:13:42,255 But you know what? You seem anxious. How can I help you? 1495 01:13:42,335 --> 01:13:44,258 - Thank you. How are you? -Fine, thank you. 1496 01:13:44,337 --> 01:13:47,466 Would you say that it is a possibility 1497 01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:52,179 or a probability that subprime losses stop at 5%? 1498 01:13:52,386 --> 01:13:53,478 Thank you. 1499 01:13:53,554 --> 01:13:58,355 I would say it is a very strong probability, indeed. 1500 01:13:58,851 --> 01:14:01,400 So back to the residential sector. 1501 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,614 When we rolled out the new variable rates package... 1502 01:14:03,689 --> 01:14:06,192 - Excuse me. - Um... 1503 01:14:07,693 --> 01:14:08,785 Yes, sir. 1504 01:14:08,861 --> 01:14:12,240 Zero! Zero! 1505 01:14:12,365 --> 01:14:15,118 There is a 0% chance 1506 01:14:15,201 --> 01:14:19,001 that your subprime losses will stop at 5%. 1507 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,172 Zero. 1508 01:14:20,247 --> 01:14:21,794 Excuse me. 1509 01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:22,921 I have to take this. 1510 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,968 He must be from Bank of America. 1511 01:14:26,671 --> 01:14:29,345 - Our subprime department is fine. - No, I'm not doing anything right now. 1512 01:14:29,423 --> 01:14:30,970 As I was saying, our residential department... 1513 01:14:31,050 --> 01:14:32,222 How are the kids? 1514 01:14:32,343 --> 01:14:34,721 ...consumers reacted to our packages... 1515 01:14:34,804 --> 01:14:36,477 Mark Baum really did that. 1516 01:14:36,555 --> 01:14:37,807 When we were in Vegas, he did that. 1517 01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:40,063 He said that, he took the call. 1518 01:14:40,518 --> 01:14:42,236 Now you see what I had to deal with? 1519 01:14:55,908 --> 01:14:58,036 Yeah, the Beretta... Meh. 1520 01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:00,338 But this Uzi is fucking awesome! 1521 01:15:00,413 --> 01:15:03,007 I need this CDO machine to run for another two years. 1522 01:15:03,082 --> 01:15:06,336 And then I'm rich as fuck and I got my house in Aspen. 1523 01:15:06,419 --> 01:15:09,639 But do you have any concerns about the performance 1524 01:15:09,714 --> 01:15:11,307 of the underlying securitizations? 1525 01:15:11,382 --> 01:15:13,180 It's easy to see that delinquencies 1526 01:15:13,259 --> 01:15:16,138 and default rates are on the rise right now. 1527 01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:18,393 Could you please stop being such a buzzkill, dude? 1528 01:15:18,764 --> 01:15:21,313 We didn't bring you out here to talk about work, bro. 1529 01:15:21,392 --> 01:15:22,860 Why did you bring us out here? 1530 01:15:22,935 --> 01:15:26,155 Because we need to be able to expense the ammo to a client. 1531 01:15:26,230 --> 01:15:29,234 I'm gonna go shoot some terrorists. Watch how it's done, boys! 1532 01:15:29,442 --> 01:15:30,694 These guys are morons. 1533 01:15:30,818 --> 01:15:32,445 - Fucking tool. - Whoo! 1534 01:15:32,778 --> 01:15:33,825 These guys are morons. 1535 01:15:34,947 --> 01:15:36,119 Fuck, yes! Boom! 1536 01:15:36,282 --> 01:15:37,408 Yeah, man! 1537 01:15:37,491 --> 01:15:39,869 We need to be buying up every swap we can get our hands on here. 1538 01:15:39,952 --> 01:15:42,250 Just hold on, okay? Hold on. 1539 01:15:42,329 --> 01:15:44,627 My brother's ex-girlfriend works for the SEC. 1540 01:15:44,749 --> 01:15:46,592 She just told me she's in town, okay? 1541 01:15:46,667 --> 01:15:48,795 So, if we're missing something, maybe she can tell me. 1542 01:15:48,919 --> 01:15:50,546 You know, give me some insight. 1543 01:15:50,629 --> 01:15:52,381 In the meantime, you go to the main floor 1544 01:15:52,465 --> 01:15:54,183 and price some swaps. 1545 01:15:54,633 --> 01:15:56,055 Well, actually, we're 1546 01:15:56,135 --> 01:15:58,638 about to invest in housing bonds, and... 1547 01:15:58,721 --> 01:16:01,395 I was wondering if the SEC is worried about them at all. 1548 01:16:01,474 --> 01:16:04,227 I know you're not allowed to tell me specifics, but just generally. 1549 01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:06,529 Oh, we don't investigate mortgage bonds. 1550 01:16:06,604 --> 01:16:09,949 Truth is, since we got our budget cut, we don't investigate much. 1551 01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:14,954 - Then why are you here? I thought... -I'm not here for the SEC. 1552 01:16:15,029 --> 01:16:16,702 I'm here on my own dime. 1553 01:16:17,656 --> 01:16:20,876 I'm floating my resume to some big banks. 1554 01:16:20,951 --> 01:16:22,544 How's your brother, by the way? 1555 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:24,497 How are you floating your resume to big banks? 1556 01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:25,957 I mean, you're supposed to be the ones, 1557 01:16:26,082 --> 01:16:27,425 you know, policing the big banks. 1558 01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:28,922 Grow up, Jamie. 1559 01:16:29,001 --> 01:16:32,756 There must be some kind of law against working for a financial institution 1560 01:16:32,838 --> 01:16:36,058 right after you've been working in financial regulation, right? 1561 01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:38,227 No. No. 1562 01:16:39,303 --> 01:16:41,852 Hey! Dougie! 1563 01:16:42,681 --> 01:16:45,651 Hey! Come over here. What are you doing at Caesars? 1564 01:16:45,726 --> 01:16:47,228 He's at Goldman. 1565 01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:48,900 See you. 1566 01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:54,031 We can do BBB-level swaps at 500 basis points. Maybe. 1567 01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:57,910 You're pricing the swaps like the bond is gonna collapse 1568 01:16:57,988 --> 01:17:00,366 even though the bond value's going up? Really? 1569 01:17:00,908 --> 01:17:02,000 Sign of the times. 1570 01:17:02,076 --> 01:17:03,077 What the hell is going on'? 1571 01:18:01,969 --> 01:18:05,769 Lewis, can you come in early tomorrow, please? 1572 01:18:05,848 --> 01:18:08,146 I need to unload the AIG and Countrywide 1573 01:18:08,225 --> 01:18:09,693 and Freddie Mac positions 1574 01:18:09,768 --> 01:18:12,271 so that we can afford the premiums on the... 1575 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:16,446 ...core mortgage shorts on the swaps. 1576 01:18:16,901 --> 01:18:18,403 No problem, Dr. Burry. 1577 01:18:20,446 --> 01:18:21,618 "Dr. Burry? 'Hmm? 1578 01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:26,248 if the investors withdraw, 1579 01:18:26,327 --> 01:18:29,080 what's going to happen here? Are we done? 1580 01:18:29,205 --> 01:18:31,128 Honestly, I don't know. 1581 01:18:38,797 --> 01:18:41,050 The bonds aren't going down. 1582 01:18:42,301 --> 01:18:44,975 They won't move. It's possible 1583 01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:49,984 that we are in a completely fraudulent system. 1584 01:18:51,393 --> 01:18:54,067 Or... You're wrong. 1585 01:18:58,817 --> 01:18:59,909 Sure. 1586 01:19:00,653 --> 01:19:04,658 It's possible I'm wrong. I just don't know how. 1587 01:19:09,370 --> 01:19:13,546 I guess when someone's wrong, they never... 1588 01:19:13,916 --> 01:19:16,169 They never know how. 1589 01:19:20,464 --> 01:19:21,511 See you in the morning. 1590 01:19:21,632 --> 01:19:22,679 Yeah. 1591 01:19:24,468 --> 01:19:26,470 Even Bear upped their prices. 1592 01:19:27,054 --> 01:19:29,557 And they keep calling us Brownhole. 1593 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,267 You just don't have the money or the reputation. 1594 01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:32,693 Don't take it personally. 1595 01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:34,107 I don't think I have the strip club in me tonight. 1596 01:19:34,186 --> 01:19:37,861 I'm just gonna get some ginger ale and watch some pay-per-view. 1597 01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:40,318 I'll book us some flights out for the morning. 1598 01:19:41,735 --> 01:19:44,363 A deal. We need a deal, right? A deal. 1599 01:19:44,446 --> 01:19:46,244 We need a deal we can afford. 1600 01:19:46,365 --> 01:19:48,663 We need a deal that they're not gonna refuse. 1601 01:19:48,742 --> 01:19:52,087 So... What can we do? We can... 1602 01:19:53,372 --> 01:19:56,296 The AA tranches. What if we bet against the AA tranches? 1603 01:19:56,375 --> 01:19:57,718 Who's not gonna take that bet? 1604 01:19:58,419 --> 01:20:01,343 We know they say they're 95% AAA-rated, 1605 01:20:01,422 --> 01:20:03,424 but in reality they're more like 25%. 1606 01:20:03,507 --> 01:20:05,930 Some of them are 0%! 1607 01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:08,638 We also know that if the bottom tranches fail at over 8%, 1608 01:20:08,721 --> 01:20:09,893 the upper tranches are affected. 1609 01:20:09,972 --> 01:20:11,189 They go to zero. 1610 01:20:11,432 --> 01:20:14,402 I'll bet you right now that those AA's are actually like B's. 1611 01:20:14,852 --> 01:20:17,947 I rarely ever say these words, but I think Charlie's right. 1612 01:20:18,272 --> 01:20:19,945 Look, Ben. 1613 01:20:21,608 --> 01:20:23,030 The payoff 1614 01:20:23,527 --> 01:20:24,949 is 200 to 1. 1615 01:20:25,029 --> 01:20:27,077 But they're all taking the ratings at face value. 1616 01:20:27,197 --> 01:20:30,576 So they're charging pennies on the dollar a bet against the AA's. 1617 01:20:32,202 --> 01:20:35,046 Just when I start thinking you guys are clowns... 1618 01:20:35,122 --> 01:20:37,625 No one on the planet's betting against AA's. 1619 01:20:37,708 --> 01:20:40,632 The banks will think we're either high or having a stroke. 1620 01:20:40,711 --> 01:20:43,055 They'll take every dime we have to offer. 1621 01:20:45,632 --> 01:20:46,975 Kinda brilliant. 1622 01:20:48,761 --> 01:20:50,855 This is what we did that no one else thought of. 1623 01:20:50,929 --> 01:20:53,853 Not even Baum or Bum] thought to short the AA's. 1624 01:20:53,932 --> 01:20:55,309 But we did. 1625 01:20:55,392 --> 01:20:56,939 Little Brown hole Capital. 1626 01:20:57,269 --> 01:21:02,196 We're interested in shorting some of the AA tranche of CDOs. 1627 01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:04,072 Come on, guys, what's the angle? 1628 01:21:04,151 --> 01:21:06,449 Oh, got no angle. We're new to this. We're just excited. 1629 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:10,291 We want to do $15 million in swaps on the AA tranche. 1630 01:21:10,741 --> 01:21:11,833 I don't understand. 1631 01:21:11,909 --> 01:21:14,537 You can buy as much AA tranche as you want. 1632 01:21:16,747 --> 01:21:18,875 $40 million against the AA. 1633 01:21:18,957 --> 01:21:21,176 Brother, I will sell you as much as you want. 1634 01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:23,679 You understand perfectly, Bob. You want the deal? 1635 01:21:25,839 --> 01:21:27,841 That's cool. That's all right with me. 1636 01:21:30,052 --> 01:21:31,269 Pleasure. 1637 01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:37,977 On! 1638 01:21:39,478 --> 01:21:41,401 Don't do that. Stop. Stop. 1639 01:21:42,106 --> 01:21:43,323 - Stop that. -Charlie. 1640 01:21:44,024 --> 01:21:45,492 Stop it! Stop. 1641 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:48,995 What? 1642 01:21:50,406 --> 01:21:51,783 Do you have any idea what you just did? 1643 01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:53,872 Come on. We just made the deal of our lifetimes! 1644 01:21:53,951 --> 01:21:55,123 We should celebrate. 1645 01:21:55,202 --> 01:21:57,125 You just bet against the American economy. 1646 01:21:57,204 --> 01:21:58,706 Fuck, yeah, we did! 1647 01:21:58,789 --> 01:22:00,757 - Fuck, yeah! -Which means... 1648 01:22:00,833 --> 01:22:03,507 Which means if we're right... 1649 01:22:04,545 --> 01:22:07,924 if we're right, people lose homes. People lose jobs. 1650 01:22:08,006 --> 01:22:11,180 People lose retirement savings. People lose pensions. 1651 01:22:11,301 --> 01:22:12,473 You know what I hate about fucking banking? 1652 01:22:12,553 --> 01:22:14,100 It reduces people to numbers. Here's a number. 1653 01:22:14,179 --> 01:22:17,023 Every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die. Did you know that? 1654 01:22:17,099 --> 01:22:18,601 - No. -Did you know that? 1655 01:22:18,684 --> 01:22:20,277 No, I didn't know that. 1656 01:22:21,728 --> 01:22:23,401 We were just excited. 1657 01:22:25,816 --> 01:22:27,818 Just don't fucking dance. 1658 01:22:28,485 --> 01:22:30,328 - All right. - Where are you going? 1659 01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:36,873 Whoa, I just got really scared. 1660 01:22:38,412 --> 01:22:40,335 First of all, great show today. 1661 01:22:40,414 --> 01:22:41,882 - You were terrific. -Thank you. 1662 01:22:41,957 --> 01:22:43,584 Your big mouth was a revelation. 1663 01:22:43,667 --> 01:22:45,385 I appreciate that. 1664 01:22:45,502 --> 01:22:47,254 You worried you and your swaps are getting played? 1665 01:22:47,337 --> 01:22:50,466 Well, this is an opportunity for you to meet who you're betting against. 1666 01:22:50,549 --> 01:22:52,347 Try not to get too righteous and listen a little. 1667 01:22:52,426 --> 01:22:53,803 Okay, fine. Who is this guy? 1668 01:22:53,927 --> 01:22:55,600 A real solid-gold asshole. 1669 01:22:55,762 --> 01:22:56,854 I'm a CDO manager. 1670 01:22:56,972 --> 01:22:58,019 A "CDO manager"? 1671 01:22:58,098 --> 01:22:59,520 Yeah, at Harding Advisors. 1672 01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:03,229 I didn't realize that there was anything to manage with CDOs. 1673 01:23:04,188 --> 01:23:05,189 MR. CHAUI Oh. 1674 01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:08,488 We select the securities that go into the CDO portfolio 1675 01:23:08,567 --> 01:23:09,944 and monitor the assets. 1676 01:23:10,027 --> 01:23:11,825 I do most of Merrill Lynch's CDOs. 1677 01:23:11,904 --> 01:23:14,874 Do you represent the investors or Merrill Lynch? 1678 01:23:14,948 --> 01:23:15,995 The investors. 1679 01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:17,121 You do. 1680 01:23:17,201 --> 01:23:18,544 - Yeah. -But... 1681 01:23:18,744 --> 01:23:20,621 Merrill Lynch isn't gonna send you any customers 1682 01:23:20,704 --> 01:23:24,254 unless you put Merrill Lynch's bonds in your CDO. 1683 01:23:25,375 --> 01:23:28,094 Good question. Let's just say Merrill and I have, um... 1684 01:23:28,712 --> 01:23:30,806 We have a good relationship. 1685 01:23:30,923 --> 01:23:33,142 You have a good relationship with Merrill Lynch. 1686 01:23:33,217 --> 01:23:34,890 We've been doing business together for a long time. 1687 01:23:34,968 --> 01:23:37,437 And so the CDOs that you create 1688 01:23:37,554 --> 01:23:41,479 are of the highest quality and the highest value. 1689 01:23:41,558 --> 01:23:43,481 - Absolutely. Yep. -Absolutely. 1690 01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,110 Are you at all concerned about the rising default rates? 1691 01:23:49,066 --> 01:23:52,240 I assume no risk for these products myself, Mark. 1692 01:23:54,905 --> 01:23:56,077 Okay. 1693 01:23:57,658 --> 01:24:00,832 So let me get this straight. The bank calls you up. 1694 01:24:01,411 --> 01:24:02,958 They give you the bonds they want to sell. 1695 01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:04,381 They give you clients, 1696 01:24:04,456 --> 01:24:06,834 they give you money to run your business. 1697 01:24:06,917 --> 01:24:08,635 Give you fat fees for doing so. 1698 01:24:08,710 --> 01:24:10,712 But you represent the investors? 1699 01:24:12,256 --> 01:24:13,303 Is that right? 1700 01:24:13,423 --> 01:24:14,470 Yeah. 1701 01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:16,018 But we're not in the Merrill Lynch building. 1702 01:24:16,093 --> 01:24:17,686 - Okay. Where are you? -We're in New Jersey. 1703 01:24:17,761 --> 01:24:19,855 You're 20 minutes away. 1704 01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:21,853 Well, five if you use a helicopter. 1705 01:24:23,725 --> 01:24:24,851 That's funny, huh? 1706 01:24:24,977 --> 01:24:26,149 That's hilarious. 1707 01:24:29,356 --> 01:24:30,403 Oh, boy. 1708 01:24:30,774 --> 01:24:32,993 Your boss is about to explode. 1709 01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:34,695 No, he's too curious to explode. 1710 01:24:34,778 --> 01:24:36,246 Hold on. Say that again. 1711 01:24:36,321 --> 01:24:38,449 CDO "A" has parts of CDO 1712 01:24:38,532 --> 01:24:40,455 And CDO "B" has parts of CDO 1713 01:24:40,534 --> 01:24:42,787 But then they both get put inside CDO 1714 01:24:42,869 --> 01:24:44,621 Yeah, that one's called CDO squared. 1715 01:24:44,705 --> 01:24:46,799 A CDO of a CDO. 1716 01:24:47,207 --> 01:24:48,208 All right? 1717 01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:50,343 And then there's CDOs made up of the opposite side 1718 01:24:50,419 --> 01:24:51,966 of the bet you made with your swaps. 1719 01:24:52,212 --> 01:24:54,510 We call them synthetic CDOs. 1720 01:24:54,631 --> 01:24:56,804 What did you say? Synthetic CDOs. 1721 01:24:56,883 --> 01:24:58,601 That is fucking crazy. 1722 01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:00,392 It's not. It's awesome. 1723 01:25:01,805 --> 01:25:05,309 His face is starting to boil. He looks like the bad guy from Dune. 1724 01:25:09,396 --> 01:25:11,319 All right, let's say 1725 01:25:11,815 --> 01:25:15,160 you have a pool of $50 million in subprime loans. 1726 01:25:15,485 --> 01:25:18,079 How much money could be out there betting on it, 1727 01:25:18,155 --> 01:25:20,954 in your synthetic CDOs and swaps 1728 01:25:21,033 --> 01:25:22,626 right now, tonight? 1729 01:25:22,701 --> 01:25:25,329 Let's see, $50 million... Hmm... 1730 01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:27,297 A billion dollars. 1731 01:25:27,372 --> 01:25:28,373 What? 1732 01:25:29,499 --> 01:25:31,422 JARED". If the mortgage bonds that Michael Burry discovered 1733 01:25:31,501 --> 01:25:32,844 were the match... 1734 01:25:34,254 --> 01:25:36,677 How much bigger is the market for insuring mortgage bonds 1735 01:25:36,757 --> 01:25:38,225 than actual mortgages? 1736 01:25:39,384 --> 01:25:40,556 About 20 times. 1737 01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:42,813 If the mortgage bonds were the match 1738 01:25:42,888 --> 01:25:45,607 and the CDOs were the kerosene-soaked rags, 1739 01:25:45,682 --> 01:25:47,730 then the synthetic CDO was the atomic bomb 1740 01:25:47,809 --> 01:25:50,779 with the drunk President holding his finger over the button. 1741 01:25:50,854 --> 01:25:53,107 It was at that moment in that dumb restaurant 1742 01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:56,364 with that stupid look on his face that Mark Baum realized 1743 01:25:56,443 --> 01:25:58,866 that the whole world economy might collapse. 1744 01:26:02,491 --> 01:26:04,414 And I know what you're thinking. 1745 01:26:04,493 --> 01:26:06,837 "What the fuck is a synthetic CDO?" 1746 01:26:09,206 --> 01:26:12,836 Well, here's Dr. Richard Thaler, father of behavioral economics 1747 01:26:12,918 --> 01:26:15,546 and Selena Gomez to explain. 1748 01:26:15,879 --> 01:26:19,053 Okay. So here's how a synthetic CDO works. 1749 01:26:19,132 --> 01:26:22,011 Let's say I bet $10 million on a blackjack hand. 1750 01:26:22,094 --> 01:26:24,597 $10 million because this hand is meant to represent 1751 01:26:24,971 --> 01:26:27,224 a single mortgage bond. 1752 01:26:30,185 --> 01:26:33,610 Okay, Selena has a pretty good hand here, showing 18. 1753 01:26:33,730 --> 01:26:34,731 Dealer showing seven. 1754 01:26:34,815 --> 01:26:36,863 That's a really good hand for Selena. 1755 01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:38,364 Good odds. In fact, her chances of winning 1756 01:26:38,443 --> 01:26:40,821 this hand are 87%. 1757 01:26:40,904 --> 01:26:44,283 So, my odds are good. I'm on a winning streak. 1758 01:26:44,366 --> 01:26:47,040 Everybody in this place wants to get in on the action. 1759 01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:48,496 How could I lose, right? 1760 01:26:48,578 --> 01:26:50,080 Now, this is a classic error. 1761 01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:53,133 In basketball it's called the Hot Hand Fallacy. 1762 01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:55,757 A player makes a bunch of shots in a row. 1763 01:26:55,836 --> 01:26:58,134 People are sure they're gonna make the next one. 1764 01:26:58,213 --> 01:27:00,181 People think that whatevefs happening now 1765 01:27:00,257 --> 01:27:03,010 is gonna continue to happen into the future. 1766 01:27:03,093 --> 01:27:06,438 During the real estate boom, markets were going up and up 1767 01:27:06,513 --> 01:27:08,186 and people thought they would never go down. 1768 01:27:08,265 --> 01:27:10,814 So people who are watching and think that I won't lose 1769 01:27:10,892 --> 01:27:12,360 will make a side bet. 1770 01:27:12,436 --> 01:27:14,689 Now, this is the first synthetic CDO. 1771 01:27:14,771 --> 01:27:16,364 I love Selena Gomez. 1772 01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:17,942 I bet you $50 million she wins. 1773 01:27:18,024 --> 01:27:20,118 And I'll give you 3-to-1 odds. 1774 01:27:20,193 --> 01:27:24,039 3-to-1 odds? Okay, I'll take that bet. 1775 01:27:24,114 --> 01:27:27,459 Now, somebody else is gonna want to make a bet 1776 01:27:27,534 --> 01:27:28,660 on the outcome of their bet. 1777 01:27:28,827 --> 01:27:29,953 Bet you 50 million she wins. 1778 01:27:30,036 --> 01:27:33,006 That will lead to synthetic CDO number two. 1779 01:27:33,081 --> 01:27:36,255 Hey, I bet you $200 million that lady in the glasses 1780 01:27:36,418 --> 01:27:37,920 wins that bet. 1781 01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:41,181 She probably will win. So I want a great payoff. 1782 01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:42,431 How about 20-to-1? 1783 01:27:42,549 --> 01:27:43,675 Deal. 1784 01:27:44,009 --> 01:27:48,310 And this will go on and on with more and more synthetic CDOs. 1785 01:27:48,388 --> 01:27:52,438 And we can transform an original $10 million investment 1786 01:27:52,601 --> 01:27:54,524 into billions of dollars. 1787 01:27:55,437 --> 01:27:56,780 You Okay? 1788 01:27:58,190 --> 01:27:59,191 No. 1789 01:28:00,567 --> 01:28:02,410 I actually feel pretty sick. 1790 01:28:07,616 --> 01:28:09,539 So I'm going to leave. 1791 01:28:11,119 --> 01:28:13,372 You think I'm a parasite, don't you, Mr. Baum? 1792 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:18,005 But, apparently, society values me very much. 1793 01:28:19,044 --> 01:28:20,796 In fact, let's do this. 1794 01:28:22,839 --> 01:28:25,843 I'll tell you how much I'm worth. 1795 01:28:26,384 --> 01:28:27,886 You tell me how much you're worth. 1796 01:28:29,095 --> 01:28:34,192 God, you are an incredibly big piece of shit. 1797 01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:41,817 Short everything that guy has touched. 1798 01:28:41,900 --> 01:28:43,527 I want half a billion more in swaps. 1799 01:28:44,069 --> 01:28:46,288 You sure about that? The collateral calls could bankrupt you. 1800 01:28:46,363 --> 01:28:47,330 Yeah. Yeah. 1801 01:28:47,405 --> 01:28:48,406 Where are you going? 1802 01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:51,494 I am going to try to find moral redemption 1803 01:28:51,576 --> 01:28:53,419 at the roulette table. 1804 01:29:57,601 --> 01:29:58,978 Hey, hey, hey! 1805 01:30:03,064 --> 01:30:04,532 Things are worse than I thought. 1806 01:30:06,651 --> 01:30:08,574 I honestly think the economy might collapse. 1807 01:30:08,987 --> 01:30:10,113 But you've been saying 1808 01:30:10,196 --> 01:30:13,291 that the system's broken for years, Mark. So... 1809 01:30:13,742 --> 01:30:15,665 Why are you so shocked? 1810 01:30:18,163 --> 01:30:21,588 It's more twisted than I could have imagined. 1811 01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:23,543 You love to be the virtuous one. 1812 01:30:24,002 --> 01:30:25,595 I'm a banker. I'm a part of it. 1813 01:30:25,670 --> 01:30:27,968 You always have, Mark. Like you're untainted. 1814 01:30:28,048 --> 01:30:31,518 It changed me. it changed me into a person 1815 01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:33,936 who is not able to reach out to someone... 1816 01:30:34,012 --> 01:30:35,935 He was in pain. My brother was in real pain. 1817 01:30:36,514 --> 01:30:38,858 There's no perfect way to help. 1818 01:30:41,853 --> 01:30:44,322 It's sad. It's scary. 1819 01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,613 So stop trying to fix the world. 1820 01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:48,784 He told me... 1821 01:30:48,860 --> 01:30:50,203 You're not a saint. 1822 01:30:50,278 --> 01:30:52,030 Saints don't live on Park Avenue. 1823 01:30:52,238 --> 01:30:53,865 ...that he was having bad thoughts. 1824 01:30:53,949 --> 01:30:56,748 Just feel the feelings like the rest of us. 1825 01:30:57,077 --> 01:31:01,253 My first response was to offer him some money. 1826 01:31:01,581 --> 01:31:04,084 I offered him fucking money! 1827 01:31:09,756 --> 01:31:12,384 His face was so smashed. 1828 01:31:31,444 --> 01:31:32,787 That's right. 1829 01:32:39,471 --> 01:32:40,814 MIKE'S WIFEI Michael? 1830 01:32:40,889 --> 01:32:42,232 - Michael? -Yes. Yes. 1831 01:32:42,307 --> 01:32:44,401 - Is everything okay? -Yes, honey. 1832 01:32:44,476 --> 01:32:46,604 - You sure? -Yeah, baby. 1833 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:49,693 I'm fine. 1834 01:32:58,656 --> 01:33:00,329 To all investors. 1835 01:33:00,408 --> 01:33:01,500 As you may know, 1836 01:33:02,494 --> 01:33:06,089 our agreement allows me to take extraordinary measures 1837 01:33:06,539 --> 01:33:09,463 when markets aren't functioning properly. 1838 01:33:09,542 --> 01:33:13,263 I currently have reason to believe the mortgage bond market 1839 01:33:13,922 --> 01:33:15,674 is fraudulent. 1840 01:33:17,842 --> 01:33:22,598 So, in order to protect investors from this fraudulent market, 1841 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,934 I've decided to restrict investors' withdrawals 1842 01:33:26,017 --> 01:33:27,690 until further notice. 1843 01:33:28,019 --> 01:33:31,694 Sincerely, Dr. Michael J. Burry. 1844 01:34:39,257 --> 01:34:40,850 I never would have guessed my life 1845 01:34:40,925 --> 01:34:43,428 could change as much as it has since I moved to L.A. 1846 01:34:43,511 --> 01:34:45,889 It's not just, like, that easy to, like, not see you. 1847 01:34:45,972 --> 01:34:49,067 He lashed out at rumors he used performance enhancing drugs. 1848 01:34:49,267 --> 01:34:50,689 This record is not tainted. 1849 01:34:50,768 --> 01:34:51,940 Oh, my God, dude. 1850 01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:53,738 Will you please stop changing the channels? 1851 01:34:53,813 --> 01:34:55,440 - You're driving me crazy. -All right. 1852 01:34:55,523 --> 01:34:57,491 - Fine. - Just put the business news on. 1853 01:34:58,443 --> 01:34:59,615 ...and the S&P picked up three points. 1854 01:34:59,694 --> 01:35:00,695 Jesus! 1855 01:35:00,778 --> 01:35:02,530 Mortgage meltdown continued today. 1856 01:35:02,614 --> 01:35:05,333 Subprime mortgage lender New Century Financial, 1857 01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:08,078 once the industry leader, by the way, filed for bankruptcy. 1858 01:35:08,161 --> 01:35:09,253 - The company immediately... - Whoa, whoa, whoa. 1859 01:35:10,705 --> 01:35:11,877 Good time for my voice to go... 1860 01:35:11,956 --> 01:35:14,209 Fired 3,200 workers. 1861 01:35:14,292 --> 01:35:16,636 The manufacturing index also fell in the month of March... 1862 01:35:16,711 --> 01:35:17,803 It's starting. 1863 01:35:17,879 --> 01:35:19,472 ...a warning that economic growth could slow. 1864 01:35:19,547 --> 01:35:21,015 The Institute of Supply Management 1865 01:35:21,132 --> 01:35:22,554 also reported a rise in prices... 1866 01:35:22,634 --> 01:35:24,261 I'm gonna call my mom. 1867 01:35:26,512 --> 01:35:29,391 The principal source of the slowdown in economic growth... 1868 01:35:29,474 --> 01:35:31,522 Time and time and time again, 1869 01:35:31,643 --> 01:35:33,771 I have gone to bat for you, Mark! 1870 01:35:33,853 --> 01:35:35,150 We've known each other for seven years... 1871 01:35:35,230 --> 01:35:37,574 She's got some lungs on her. I'm impressed. 1872 01:35:38,733 --> 01:35:40,576 I can't help but enjoy it. 1873 01:35:41,486 --> 01:35:43,113 There's no fucking way. There's no fucking way 1874 01:35:43,196 --> 01:35:44,664 that the big banks are that stupid. 1875 01:35:45,657 --> 01:35:47,500 Bye. Kathy! 1876 01:35:52,163 --> 01:35:53,164 Well? 1877 01:35:54,374 --> 01:35:56,376 Kathy thinks that it would be a good idea 1878 01:35:56,459 --> 01:35:58,006 if we sold our shorts. 1879 01:35:58,086 --> 01:35:59,087 What else is new? 1880 01:35:59,170 --> 01:36:01,047 And she said that Morgan Stanley will buy them. 1881 01:36:01,130 --> 01:36:02,131 Holy shit! 1882 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,092 What did you say? 1883 01:36:04,175 --> 01:36:05,848 I told her we're not selling shit. 1884 01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:15,862 Uh, if you need the files for 2005... 1885 01:36:16,020 --> 01:36:19,024 Mr. Fields' suit is very specific to files from the past year. 1886 01:36:19,774 --> 01:36:22,527 Good. Then get out. Say hi to Lawrence for me. 1887 01:36:22,610 --> 01:36:23,782 Will do. 1888 01:36:26,823 --> 01:36:28,496 You can't call me back for a week? 1889 01:36:28,574 --> 01:36:30,417 I am so sorry, Mike. 1890 01:36:30,785 --> 01:36:33,959 Goldman had a systems failure. I lost a ton of messages. 1891 01:36:34,038 --> 01:36:36,086 Yeah, B of A said they had a power outage, 1892 01:36:36,207 --> 01:36:39,381 and Morgan Stanley said their server crashed. 1893 01:36:39,502 --> 01:36:40,628 Huh. That's weird. 1894 01:36:40,712 --> 01:36:43,261 Well, I would call it improbable. 1895 01:36:43,339 --> 01:36:46,889 So where do you have our position marked? 1896 01:36:47,719 --> 01:36:49,471 I think it's the same, Mike. 1897 01:36:49,554 --> 01:36:51,431 What? Can you explain that to me, please, 1898 01:36:51,514 --> 01:36:54,814 because how can the value of an insurance contract 1899 01:36:54,892 --> 01:36:59,113 not be affected by the demise of the very thing it insures? 1900 01:36:59,188 --> 01:37:01,987 They're independent markets. They're not always correlated. 1901 01:37:02,066 --> 01:37:03,067 I know it sounds odd, 1902 01:37:03,151 --> 01:37:05,620 but these are very complicated products. 1903 01:37:06,446 --> 01:37:08,323 They are correlated. 1904 01:37:08,406 --> 01:37:10,408 They're gonna lose their houses, they're gonna lose theirjobs, 1905 01:37:10,491 --> 01:37:11,492 they're gonna lose their... 1906 01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:16,213 Will you listen to me? 1907 01:37:16,414 --> 01:37:19,042 This is like the end of capitalism. 1908 01:37:19,167 --> 01:37:22,512 This is like the Dark Ages all over again. 1909 01:37:23,546 --> 01:37:24,672 I don't want to talk to Dad. 1910 01:37:24,756 --> 01:37:27,305 Okay, I love you, too. Save your money. 1911 01:37:28,009 --> 01:37:32,014 She says I need to be on Xanax and double my dose of Zoloft. 1912 01:37:32,180 --> 01:37:34,148 I asked Bear Stearns to price our shorts. 1913 01:37:34,223 --> 01:37:35,816 They tell me the CDOs still haven't moved. 1914 01:37:35,892 --> 01:37:37,690 This is fucking insane! 1915 01:37:37,769 --> 01:37:39,271 You realize that? These people are crooks 1916 01:37:39,354 --> 01:37:41,402 and they should be in prison. 1917 01:37:41,564 --> 01:37:42,690 Look at the TABX. 1918 01:37:42,774 --> 01:37:44,617 You can see that the CDOs are worth zero! 1919 01:37:44,692 --> 01:37:45,693 So you know what they're doing, huh? 1920 01:37:45,818 --> 01:37:46,865 You know what they're doing, right? 1921 01:37:46,986 --> 01:37:48,659 Yeah. They're unloading them. 1922 01:37:48,738 --> 01:37:52,038 They're selling their dog shit CDOs, then they go to another bank 1923 01:37:52,116 --> 01:37:54,164 and short the shit they just fucking sold! 1924 01:37:54,327 --> 01:37:55,920 Let's go to the press, man! 1925 01:37:55,995 --> 01:37:59,295 This is a massive story. Who wouldn't publish it? 1926 01:38:00,249 --> 01:38:01,592 Robert Redford! 1927 01:38:02,001 --> 01:38:03,469 No, you don't understand! 1928 01:38:03,544 --> 01:38:05,091 I got it, guys. I got it. 1929 01:38:06,839 --> 01:38:08,432 What am I supposed to do? 1930 01:38:08,508 --> 01:38:10,181 Do you want me to write a piece called "We're All Fucked"? 1931 01:38:10,301 --> 01:38:12,178 Yes! That's a perfect title! 1932 01:38:12,261 --> 01:38:16,437 Casey, right now every bank in town is unloading these shit bonds 1933 01:38:16,599 --> 01:38:18,317 onto unsuspecting customers. 1934 01:38:18,393 --> 01:38:21,397 And they won't devalue them until they get them off their books. 1935 01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,948 This level of criminality is unprecedented, 1936 01:38:24,023 --> 01:38:26,276 even on fucking Wall Street. 1937 01:38:27,402 --> 01:38:30,246 Jamie... And this is me being honest here, okay? 1938 01:38:30,530 --> 01:38:33,079 It took me years to build my relationships on Wall Street. 1939 01:38:33,157 --> 01:38:37,333 No bank or ratings agency is going to confirm a story like this 1940 01:38:37,412 --> 01:38:39,915 just because it comes from two guys in a... 1941 01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:43,293 Sorry, garage band hedge fund that thinks it's the apocalypse. 1942 01:38:44,961 --> 01:38:45,962 Wow. 1943 01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:47,381 I thought you were for real, Casey. 1944 01:38:47,505 --> 01:38:48,802 You know, I'll have to say I really did. 1945 01:38:49,048 --> 01:38:50,049 Really? 1946 01:38:50,299 --> 01:38:52,393 Yeah, Jamie, you try being for real with a three-year-old 1947 01:38:52,468 --> 01:38:54,311 and a wife getting her master's degree. 1948 01:38:54,554 --> 01:38:57,899 I'm not gonna burn my reputation on your wild hunch. 1949 01:38:58,724 --> 01:38:59,896 Wow. 1950 01:39:00,059 --> 01:39:01,231 Wow. 1951 01:39:01,394 --> 01:39:02,441 Thanks for coming, guys. 1952 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:03,692 Totally fucking awesome to see you. 1953 01:39:03,771 --> 01:39:05,773 Yeah, Casey. I've always hated you, 1954 01:39:05,898 --> 01:39:07,900 because you were a prick in college 1955 01:39:07,984 --> 01:39:10,328 and you are a prick today! 1956 01:39:10,778 --> 01:39:13,281 Thanks, Charlie. Still living with your mom? 1957 01:39:13,823 --> 01:39:15,291 Charlie, come on! 1958 01:39:15,366 --> 01:39:17,289 Mark Baum again. Call me. 1959 01:39:17,869 --> 01:39:19,496 Subprime bonds fell off a cliff. 1960 01:39:19,579 --> 01:39:21,547 Rumor has it the default numbers are huge. 1961 01:39:21,622 --> 01:39:24,421 Who got the remittance data early? I bet it's Goldman. 1962 01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:25,843 Yeah, fuck you very much. 1963 01:39:25,918 --> 01:39:28,762 Jared, it's chaos down here. Where are we? 1964 01:39:29,172 --> 01:39:32,392 "And Caesar wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer." 1965 01:39:33,968 --> 01:39:35,220 Shane? 1966 01:39:35,595 --> 01:39:36,847 Shane? 1967 01:39:38,431 --> 01:39:41,150 Well, nobody's buying CDO or mortgage bonds anymore 1968 01:39:41,225 --> 01:39:42,522 and everybody wants swaps. 1969 01:39:42,852 --> 01:39:45,196 Swaps are now the most popular product on the street. 1970 01:39:45,271 --> 01:39:47,114 - That's good for us. -Yes and no. 1971 01:39:47,190 --> 01:39:48,612 I heard from somebody who heard from somebody... 1972 01:39:48,691 --> 01:39:51,410 No, Alex, no. Sorry. 1973 01:39:54,572 --> 01:39:56,415 Bennie Cleager over at Morgan is taking on 1974 01:39:56,491 --> 01:39:58,084 some heavy losses in the bond department. 1975 01:39:59,577 --> 01:40:01,124 Your ship might be taking on water. 1976 01:40:01,621 --> 01:40:03,965 It might be time to get our lifejacket and get out. 1977 01:40:04,707 --> 01:40:06,209 I'm jacked. 1978 01:40:06,751 --> 01:40:09,254 I'm jacked! I'm jacked to the tits! 1979 01:40:09,879 --> 01:40:10,926 Good. 1980 01:40:11,005 --> 01:40:13,099 - Do you feel it? - No. 1981 01:40:19,263 --> 01:40:20,731 What'd you hear, Tommy? 1982 01:40:22,892 --> 01:40:23,893 It's happening- 1983 01:40:23,976 --> 01:40:25,819 Everybody wants our swaps. 1984 01:40:26,020 --> 01:40:28,022 Kathy's office is looking for you. 1985 01:40:28,356 --> 01:40:30,779 They're singing a different tune now, aren't they? 1986 01:40:32,109 --> 01:40:33,611 That's not good. 1987 01:40:38,449 --> 01:40:39,826 Maybe later. Not now. 1988 01:40:39,909 --> 01:40:42,287 This is a joke. Never. 1989 01:40:45,790 --> 01:40:46,882 Listening. 1990 01:40:47,291 --> 01:40:48,884 - Dr. Burry? - Yeah. 1991 01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,382 Deeb Winston, Goldman Sachs. 1992 01:40:50,461 --> 01:40:51,963 Listen, I've been reviewing your position. 1993 01:40:52,046 --> 01:40:54,299 I wanted to discuss your marks and make sure they're fair. 1994 01:40:54,382 --> 01:40:57,226 Yeah, I think you mean that you've 1995 01:40:57,301 --> 01:41:00,054 secured a net short position yourselves. 1996 01:41:00,221 --> 01:41:02,974 So you're free to mark my swaps accurately for once 1997 01:41:03,140 --> 01:41:05,814 because it's now in your interest to do so. 1998 01:41:07,979 --> 01:41:10,073 I'm not sure what you want me to say. 1999 01:41:10,231 --> 01:41:11,733 I think that... 2000 01:41:13,234 --> 01:41:15,328 I think that you've already said it. 2001 01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,288 You tell Jeff at Goldman that I'm not transferring funds. 2002 01:41:25,371 --> 01:41:26,998 This is bullshit! 2003 01:41:34,171 --> 01:41:35,923 Okay, we'll talk later. 2004 01:41:36,424 --> 01:41:37,846 Thank you. 2005 01:41:40,344 --> 01:41:42,221 Thanks for coming so quickly, Mark. 2006 01:41:42,305 --> 01:41:43,648 - Yeah. -Um... 2007 01:41:43,931 --> 01:41:45,183 I know you've been hearing rumblings 2008 01:41:45,266 --> 01:41:46,768 about some losses Morgan has suffered. 2009 01:41:46,851 --> 01:41:48,819 - Congratulations. -On what? 2010 01:41:49,437 --> 01:41:50,484 Oh. 2011 01:41:51,188 --> 01:41:52,690 Thanks. Urn... 2012 01:41:52,773 --> 01:41:54,116 Having fun? 2013 01:41:55,151 --> 01:41:56,494 Yes. 2014 01:41:57,695 --> 01:41:59,038 Tons. Urn... 2015 01:41:59,530 --> 01:42:01,874 I just wanted you to know that, um... 2016 01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:04,123 That, yes, Morgan has suffered some losses, 2017 01:42:04,201 --> 01:42:08,001 but our liquidity is strong and there's no cause for concern. 2018 01:42:08,205 --> 01:42:11,049 Would Bennie Cleager be concerned? 2019 01:42:11,375 --> 01:42:12,718 Because word on the street 2020 01:42:12,793 --> 01:42:15,637 is that he took some pretty heavy losses. 2021 01:42:16,964 --> 01:42:18,762 Kathy, come on. We know each other. 2022 01:42:18,841 --> 01:42:21,060 What's going on? 2023 01:42:21,469 --> 01:42:22,971 How bad is this? 2024 01:42:23,137 --> 01:42:24,309 Okay. 2025 01:42:25,097 --> 01:42:28,146 Two years ago, Bennie Cleager in Morgan's bond department 2026 01:42:28,225 --> 01:42:31,775 also started shorting subprime housing, $2 billion in BBBs. 2027 01:42:31,854 --> 01:42:33,106 Bennie is smarter than I thought. 2028 01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:34,611 No, he's not smart at all. 2029 01:42:34,690 --> 01:42:37,068 The premiums on the swap ate into his desk's profit. 2030 01:42:37,151 --> 01:42:39,119 To cover his BBB shorts, 2031 01:42:39,195 --> 01:42:41,698 he sold a lot of A and AA swaps as protection. 2032 01:42:41,781 --> 01:42:42,782 A lot. 2033 01:42:43,491 --> 01:42:46,665 He believed that there was no way that they could be affected. 2034 01:42:47,244 --> 01:42:50,589 Tell me Morgan Stanley doesn't hold the contracts on these swaps. 2035 01:42:53,918 --> 01:42:55,420 Holy shit. 2036 01:42:56,087 --> 01:42:59,512 All this time I've been trying to figure out who I'm betting against, 2037 01:42:59,757 --> 01:43:01,600 and it's Morgan Stanley. 2038 01:43:02,551 --> 01:43:03,894 Which is me. 2039 01:43:05,596 --> 01:43:07,940 What's your exposure? $3 billion? 2040 01:43:08,849 --> 01:43:10,692 Please, don't tell me it's more than four. 2041 01:43:10,851 --> 01:43:12,478 I can't answer that. I can't answer that. 2042 01:43:12,561 --> 01:43:15,735 Yes, you can answer that, because I walk in here 2043 01:43:15,815 --> 01:43:18,910 and people are crying in your hallway. 2044 01:43:19,276 --> 01:43:20,448 Kathy. 2045 01:43:20,945 --> 01:43:22,993 You bring me in to tell me everything's fine, 2046 01:43:23,072 --> 01:43:24,289 and everything's not fine. 2047 01:43:24,949 --> 01:43:26,826 What, what is happening? 2048 01:43:29,036 --> 01:43:31,209 The long exposure is... 2049 01:43:33,124 --> 01:43:34,626 ...$15 billion. 2050 01:43:40,589 --> 01:43:41,715 Jesus! 2051 01:43:41,799 --> 01:43:44,177 He kept saying defaults over 8% were impossible. 2052 01:43:44,260 --> 01:43:45,261 Oh, my God. 2053 01:43:45,344 --> 01:43:46,561 That there would be a million homeless! 2054 01:43:48,013 --> 01:43:50,266 Yeah, but we have nothing to do with Morgan Stanley. 2055 01:43:53,185 --> 01:43:54,311 Yeah... 2056 01:43:54,645 --> 01:43:56,488 Tell the bankruptcy court. 2057 01:43:56,731 --> 01:43:59,860 Morgan fails, all our accounts go on their balance sheet. 2058 01:44:00,484 --> 01:44:02,111 It's just crazy. 2059 01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:03,662 Morgan makes the sucker's bet 2060 01:44:03,738 --> 01:44:06,082 and we pay their fucking gambling debt? 2061 01:44:06,574 --> 01:44:09,077 Short the bank stocks. Then we wait. 2062 01:44:12,997 --> 01:44:14,999 Or we sell our swaps when the market opens. 2063 01:44:16,751 --> 01:44:19,800 We get our bonuses, our investors get their profits, we get... 2064 01:44:19,879 --> 01:44:22,382 What, 30 cents on the dollar? It's not bad. 2065 01:44:22,673 --> 01:44:24,175 We're three times that. 2066 01:44:24,258 --> 01:44:25,976 Not if there's no market left to sell them in. 2067 01:44:26,051 --> 01:44:27,974 Forget it. We're not giving out any lifeboats. 2068 01:44:28,053 --> 01:44:30,431 If Morgan goes under, we end up with nothing. 2069 01:44:30,514 --> 01:44:31,515 Vinnie. 2070 01:44:33,267 --> 01:44:36,441 Jesus, come on. I say when we sell. 2071 01:44:40,566 --> 01:44:42,944 Look, I get that this is personal for you, 2072 01:44:43,027 --> 01:44:45,325 but we have a fiduciary responsibility. 2073 01:44:45,404 --> 01:44:46,906 No. No, we don't. 2074 01:44:47,198 --> 01:44:49,371 Nobody's acting responsible. 2075 01:44:49,533 --> 01:44:52,286 Fuck responsibility. Are you kidding me? 2076 01:44:52,787 --> 01:44:54,881 The assholes at the big banks will take... 2077 01:44:54,955 --> 01:44:56,002 You boys want any appetizers? 2078 01:44:56,081 --> 01:44:57,833 We're talking, please! 2079 01:44:58,584 --> 01:45:00,086 - Excuse us. -Sorry. 2080 01:45:02,213 --> 01:45:05,012 We are going to wait, and we are going to wait, 2081 01:45:05,132 --> 01:45:06,634 and we are going to wait 2082 01:45:06,801 --> 01:45:10,556 until they feel the pain, until they start to bleed. 2083 01:45:10,888 --> 01:45:13,016 - That is what I want. -But what about our clients 2084 01:45:13,098 --> 01:45:14,395 who've entrusted us with their savings... 2085 01:45:14,475 --> 01:45:15,647 I say when we sell. 2086 01:45:15,726 --> 01:45:16,773 This isn't about you. 2087 01:45:16,852 --> 01:45:18,104 This isn't about you and your Upper East Side 2088 01:45:18,187 --> 01:45:19,234 -mahogany soapbox. -Hey! Hey! 2089 01:45:19,396 --> 01:45:20,739 I say when we sell! 2090 01:45:22,316 --> 01:45:24,068 Whatever you say, Mark. 2091 01:45:30,783 --> 01:45:32,581 Dude, did you hear the news? 2092 01:45:34,411 --> 01:45:36,755 Okay. So, not only do two mortgage hedge funds 2093 01:45:36,831 --> 01:45:38,629 backed by Bear Stearns go belly up, 2094 01:45:38,707 --> 01:45:41,836 but now there's a class-action lawsuit against Bear. 2095 01:45:41,919 --> 01:45:43,091 Holy shit! 2096 01:45:43,170 --> 01:45:45,673 Let's go! Push! Push! 2097 01:45:45,756 --> 01:45:47,178 So, what? Bear could really collapse here. 2098 01:45:47,258 --> 01:45:49,056 - This is a risk we really shouldn't take. - Then what? 2099 01:45:49,134 --> 01:45:51,136 We bought 80% of our swaps at Bear. 2100 01:45:51,220 --> 01:45:52,813 - We 'd lose everything. - So what? 2101 01:45:52,888 --> 01:45:54,310 - Hey, sir? -One second! 2102 01:45:54,431 --> 01:45:55,398 That's my opinion. 2103 01:45:55,474 --> 01:45:56,691 We bought these fucking things. 2104 01:45:56,767 --> 01:45:57,939 We have no clue how to sell them. 2105 01:45:58,018 --> 01:45:59,440 I know. We have to get Ben to do it. 2106 01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,522 I've been trying to call him and he won't get back to me. 2107 01:46:01,605 --> 01:46:03,858 No. He's on vacation with his wife's family. 2108 01:46:03,941 --> 01:46:05,113 They're in England. 2109 01:46:06,068 --> 01:46:07,069 What? 2110 01:46:14,785 --> 01:46:16,378 - Hello, Ben. Hey. - Guys? 2111 01:46:16,453 --> 01:46:18,046 Yeah, we're here. Can you hear us? 2112 01:46:18,122 --> 01:46:19,624 - Guys? - Yeah, we got you. 2113 01:46:19,790 --> 01:46:22,634 Yeah. I hardly got cell phone or Wi-Fi service. 2114 01:46:23,752 --> 01:46:26,346 I'm trying to sell $200 million worth of securities. 2115 01:46:26,672 --> 01:46:29,016 In a pub. It smells like sheep. 2116 01:46:29,300 --> 01:46:30,301 You can do this. 2117 01:46:30,426 --> 01:46:31,552 I don't want to pressure you, Ben 2118 01:46:31,635 --> 01:46:34,229 but if you don't pull this off, we lose everything. 2119 01:46:34,471 --> 01:46:37,771 All right. Let's see what Credit Suisse's appetite is. 2120 01:46:42,938 --> 01:46:44,110 This is Brownfield Fund. 2121 01:46:44,189 --> 01:46:46,112 I want to unload my credit default swaps. 2122 01:46:46,442 --> 01:46:47,989 MAN". All right. What you got? 2123 01:46:48,152 --> 01:46:49,825 Twenty AA tranches of A.B.S. CDOs. 2124 01:46:50,446 --> 01:46:52,824 A.B.S. ? Are these... These are pretty bad? 2125 01:46:52,990 --> 01:46:54,992 Absolutely. They're complete shit. 2126 01:46:55,284 --> 01:46:56,786 What's your notional value? 2127 01:46:56,869 --> 01:46:59,543 Face value is 205 million. Dollars. 2128 01:46:59,830 --> 01:47:02,424 All right, we could, we could go to forty. 2129 01:47:02,499 --> 01:47:03,796 No. We want at least 100 million. 2130 01:47:03,876 --> 01:47:07,551 100 million? Who are you, a drug dealer or a banker? 2131 01:47:07,671 --> 01:47:10,174 'Cause if you're a banker, you can fuck right off! 2132 01:47:10,257 --> 01:47:11,429 I don't know if we can make a market. 2133 01:47:11,508 --> 01:47:12,634 Just give me your best price? 2134 01:47:12,718 --> 01:47:15,267 Yeah. Chuck 100 million in for me, mate. 2135 01:47:15,346 --> 01:47:16,598 I think we're far apart. 2136 01:47:17,097 --> 01:47:19,520 Look, if you don't want the deal, you can just hang up. 2137 01:47:21,977 --> 01:47:23,524 That's what I thought. 2138 01:47:24,313 --> 01:47:26,315 -90 million. -70. 2139 01:47:27,316 --> 01:47:29,159 as. 2140 01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,328 - S4. 2141 01:47:32,529 --> 01:47:34,531 - BENI-84. 2142 01:47:36,367 --> 01:47:37,664 It's Dr. Burry. 2143 01:47:38,243 --> 01:47:41,087 Looks like the collapse of the financial sector is imminent. 2144 01:47:42,081 --> 01:47:44,049 Let's start to sell my position. 2145 01:47:44,416 --> 01:47:46,259 It's $1.3 billion. 2146 01:47:47,753 --> 01:47:49,596 Sure, I'll hold. 2147 01:48:13,404 --> 01:48:14,906 So, I was right. 2148 01:48:15,739 --> 01:48:18,242 I took a rash of shit for two years, but 2149 01:48:18,659 --> 01:48:20,582 I was right. 2150 01:48:20,911 --> 01:48:22,663 And everyone was wrong. 2151 01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:26,754 And, yeah, I got a bonus check for it. Sue me. 2152 01:48:27,418 --> 01:48:28,510 You know? 2153 01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:32,549 It's a lot of money. I get it. I can feel you judging me. 2154 01:48:32,631 --> 01:48:33,928 That's palpable. 2155 01:48:34,633 --> 01:48:38,638 But, hey, I never said I was the hero of this story. 2156 01:48:39,263 --> 01:48:41,812 Hey, Ben. How are we looking? 2157 01:48:43,017 --> 01:48:44,360 Eight...on... 2158 01:48:45,102 --> 01:48:46,445 Sorry? 2159 01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:48,940 No. Eighty million. 2160 01:48:49,148 --> 01:48:50,775 $80 million, $80 million, that's good, right? 2161 01:48:50,858 --> 01:48:51,950 - Eighty is great. -Is that good? 2162 01:48:52,026 --> 01:48:53,198 - Eighty is great, Ben. -Okay. 2163 01:48:53,277 --> 01:48:55,621 Thank you. Thank you so much. 2164 01:48:55,946 --> 01:48:57,823 Most of it went to UBS. 2165 01:48:57,948 --> 01:48:59,495 You're very lucky. The largest bank 2166 01:48:59,575 --> 01:49:02,795 in France froze customer's money market accounts today. 2167 01:49:02,911 --> 01:49:04,458 This thing's hitting Europe. 2168 01:49:04,538 --> 01:49:06,381 Greece and Iceland are finished. 2169 01:49:06,457 --> 01:49:07,800 Spain is teetering. 2170 01:49:07,875 --> 01:49:09,468 Are you serious? Fuck. 2171 01:49:09,877 --> 01:49:11,720 Ben, call us when you get home. 2172 01:49:11,795 --> 01:49:13,092 But, hey, before you go, 2173 01:49:13,172 --> 01:49:15,220 uh, I'm just wondering... 2174 01:49:15,883 --> 01:49:17,135 Urn... 2175 01:49:18,302 --> 01:49:20,350 Why did you do this with us? 2176 01:49:21,305 --> 01:49:23,307 You didn't have to. Uh... 2177 01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:27,315 Thank you. But, uh, why? 2178 01:49:28,228 --> 01:49:31,152 You guys said you wanted to get rich. Now you're rich. 2179 01:49:31,690 --> 01:49:32,782 COMMENTATOR'. Goal! 2180 01:49:32,858 --> 01:49:34,485 Pamplona puts themselves on the scoreboard. 2181 01:49:38,655 --> 01:49:41,204 JARED". As the housing markets and banks continued to hemorrhage, 2182 01:49:41,283 --> 01:49:43,706 only one of the big shorts refused to sell. 2183 01:49:43,786 --> 01:49:45,003 Mark Baum. 2184 01:49:48,373 --> 01:49:50,421 So it was beyond perfect when he was asked to speak 2185 01:49:50,501 --> 01:49:52,344 at a conference opposite Bruce Miller, 2186 01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:54,888 the famous bullish investor. 2187 01:49:55,255 --> 01:49:57,474 After he and Mark had their debate, Alan Greenspan, 2188 01:49:57,549 --> 01:50:01,019 one of the architects of the whole crisis was scheduled to speak. 2189 01:50:01,261 --> 01:50:03,855 Everyone in Mark's office showed up, he even invited friends. 2190 01:50:05,349 --> 01:50:08,649 This was the Ali vs. Foreman of the financial world. 2191 01:50:09,019 --> 01:50:11,021 The realist versus the fools. 2192 01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:15,075 And if it seems almost too perfect, trust me, this happened. 2193 01:50:17,194 --> 01:50:23,372 Welcome, everyone. Please give a generous welcome to 2194 01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:27,295 Mr. Bruce Miller and Mark Baum. 2195 01:50:44,471 --> 01:50:45,973 Strap yourself in. 2196 01:50:47,224 --> 01:50:49,397 So as some oi you may know, Bear Steams 2197 01:50:49,476 --> 01:50:52,070 has just received a loan from JP Morgan. 2198 01:50:52,146 --> 01:50:54,990 Of course, we're gonna have to wait and see how the markets react, 2199 01:50:55,065 --> 01:50:58,786 but that should lay to rest any concerns about the bank's health. 2200 01:50:58,861 --> 01:51:03,583 Now, I take it you have no plans to sell your $200 million in Bear stock? 2201 01:51:03,907 --> 01:51:05,534 No. As a matter of fact, when we're done here, 2202 01:51:05,617 --> 01:51:07,415 I'll probably go out and buy some more. 2203 01:51:08,912 --> 01:51:12,416 For the opposing view, Mr. Baum. 2204 01:51:14,835 --> 01:51:16,929 I got to stand for this. 2205 01:51:19,673 --> 01:51:21,266 Okay, hi. 2206 01:51:21,675 --> 01:51:24,098 My firm's thesis is pretty simple. 2207 01:51:24,428 --> 01:51:26,271 Wall Street took a good idea, 2208 01:51:26,346 --> 01:51:27,848 Lewis Ranieri's mortgage bond, 2209 01:51:28,098 --> 01:51:30,351 and turned it into an atomic bomb 2210 01:51:30,434 --> 01:51:32,607 of fraud and stupidity 2211 01:51:32,936 --> 01:51:35,610 that's on its way to decimating the world economy. 2212 01:51:35,689 --> 01:51:36,906 How do you really feel? 2213 01:51:38,358 --> 01:51:40,281 I'm glad you still have a sense of humor. 2214 01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:42,408 I wouldn't if I were you. 2215 01:51:42,779 --> 01:51:46,829 Now, anyone who knows me knows that 2216 01:51:46,909 --> 01:51:49,378 I have no problem telling someone they're wrong. 2217 01:51:49,453 --> 01:51:53,549 Bear Stearns is denying rumors of liquidity problems. 2218 01:51:53,624 --> 01:51:55,922 Holy fuck, it's 39 now! 2219 01:51:58,086 --> 01:52:00,635 We live in an era of fraud in America. 2220 01:52:00,714 --> 01:52:03,092 Not just in banking, but in government, 2221 01:52:03,550 --> 01:52:06,520 education, religion, food, 2222 01:52:06,595 --> 01:52:08,268 even baseball. 2223 01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:11,357 What bothers me isn't that 2224 01:52:11,975 --> 01:52:15,821 fraud is not nice or that fraud is mean. 2225 01:52:16,104 --> 01:52:17,981 It's that for 15,000 years 2226 01:52:18,815 --> 01:52:20,362 fraud and short-sighted thinking 2227 01:52:20,442 --> 01:52:22,820 have never, ever worked. 2228 01:52:22,945 --> 01:52:25,869 - Jesus, Bear at 37... - Not once. 2229 01:52:25,948 --> 01:52:29,202 Eventually, people get caught, things go south. 2230 01:52:29,284 --> 01:52:30,661 It's fucking plummeting, man. 2231 01:52:30,827 --> 01:52:33,125 When the hell did we forget all that? 2232 01:52:37,292 --> 01:52:39,795 I thought we were better than this. I really did. 2233 01:52:40,128 --> 01:52:42,176 And the fact that we're not 2234 01:52:42,297 --> 01:52:45,016 doesn't make me feel all right and superior. 2235 01:52:45,092 --> 01:52:47,595 It makes me feel... Sad. 2236 01:52:48,011 --> 01:52:50,355 Every time I fucking hit "refresh" it's dropping, man. 2237 01:52:52,015 --> 01:52:53,688 And as fun as it is to watch 2238 01:52:53,976 --> 01:52:56,274 pompous, dumb Wall Streeters be wildly wrong, 2239 01:52:56,353 --> 01:52:58,651 and you are wrong, sir, 2240 01:52:59,481 --> 01:53:02,485 I just know, that at the end of the day 2241 01:53:03,151 --> 01:53:05,870 average people are going to be the ones 2242 01:53:05,988 --> 01:53:08,161 that are gonna have to pay for all this. 2243 01:53:08,824 --> 01:53:10,952 Because they always, always do. 2244 01:53:11,034 --> 01:53:12,081 It's 32. 2245 01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:13,537 It's fucking tanked, man. 2246 01:53:13,662 --> 01:53:15,664 That's my two cents. Thank you. 2247 01:53:16,999 --> 01:53:18,342 Let me drop a deuce at Deutsche. 2248 01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:20,502 Does our bull have a response? 2249 01:53:21,503 --> 01:53:25,007 Only that, in the entire history of Wall Street, 2250 01:53:25,132 --> 01:53:27,430 no investment bank has ever failed 2251 01:53:27,509 --> 01:53:29,511 unless caught in criminal activities. 2252 01:53:30,012 --> 01:53:33,516 So, yes, I stand by my Bear Stearns optimism. 2253 01:53:33,849 --> 01:53:35,851 Mr. Miller, I'm sorry. Quick question. 2254 01:53:36,351 --> 01:53:38,024 From the time you guys started talking, 2255 01:53:38,186 --> 01:53:41,065 Bear Stearns stock has fallen more than 38%. 2256 01:53:41,148 --> 01:53:42,525 Would you still buy more? 2257 01:53:42,733 --> 01:53:46,863 Yeah, sure, of course I'd buy more. Why not'? 2258 01:53:47,321 --> 01:53:48,322 Boom. 2259 01:53:51,575 --> 01:53:52,918 Jesus Christ! 2260 01:53:54,369 --> 01:53:57,543 That concludes the first part of our presentation. 2261 01:53:58,540 --> 01:54:03,171 Up next, we have the legendary former chairman of the Fed, 2262 01:54:03,253 --> 01:54:05,051 Alan Greenspan. 2263 01:54:05,130 --> 01:54:06,473 Folks? 2264 01:54:24,608 --> 01:54:25,985 ...employees of Lehman Brothers today, 2265 01:54:26,068 --> 01:54:29,413 as the Wall Street giant's stock went to zero. 2266 01:54:29,738 --> 01:54:31,661 The collapse of the venerable New York bank 2267 01:54:31,740 --> 01:54:35,370 follows a tumultuous few months of market volatility 2268 01:54:35,452 --> 01:54:38,080 and fear in the world economy. 2269 01:54:38,413 --> 01:54:40,131 I got to see inside. 2270 01:54:40,916 --> 01:54:42,259 How? 2271 01:54:42,959 --> 01:54:43,960 Come on. 2272 01:54:44,795 --> 01:54:47,890 I left my phone in the office. I threw my pass out already. 2273 01:54:47,964 --> 01:54:49,386 Do you mind if I take your pass? 2274 01:54:49,466 --> 01:54:52,060 I don't give a shit anymore. You can do what you want. 2275 01:54:59,935 --> 01:55:01,653 Go directly to your transportation. 2276 01:55:01,728 --> 01:55:03,446 Do not talk to the press. 2277 01:55:03,605 --> 01:55:06,950 After 18 years, I just leave? That's just fucking great! 2278 01:55:07,150 --> 01:55:10,029 I'll talk to whoever the hell I want! 2279 01:55:10,112 --> 01:55:12,456 Do not talk to the press. 2280 01:55:12,781 --> 01:55:14,749 Go directly to your transportation. 2281 01:55:14,825 --> 01:55:15,917 Do not talk to... 2282 01:55:18,495 --> 01:55:19,667 Hey, look, you wanna get a bite tonight? 2283 01:55:19,788 --> 01:55:22,211 There's this, uh, new Cuban place 2284 01:55:22,290 --> 01:55:24,292 just opened on the Lower East Side. It's supposed to be good. 2285 01:55:24,626 --> 01:55:26,299 - Oh, really? -Yeah. 2286 01:55:26,795 --> 01:55:28,138 You and I? 2287 01:55:28,338 --> 01:55:29,931 Yeah, or other people. 2288 01:55:30,006 --> 01:55:31,758 - That sounds nice. I would like that. -Yeah. 2289 01:55:31,842 --> 01:55:33,139 Finally. 2290 01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:34,853 Mark, hey. 2291 01:55:35,137 --> 01:55:36,434 It's a bloodbath up here. 2292 01:55:36,513 --> 01:55:38,015 Morgan stock has lost half its value. 2293 01:55:38,098 --> 01:55:40,396 It's down to 23.10. It's in freefaH. 2294 01:55:40,475 --> 01:55:43,479 Clients want to talk to you about pulling their money. 2295 01:55:43,687 --> 01:55:47,191 It's now or never, Mark. We got to sell. 2296 01:55:50,485 --> 01:55:51,657 Mark. 2297 01:55:53,029 --> 01:55:54,201 Mark, you hear me? 2298 01:55:54,531 --> 01:55:55,999 Mailbox one. 2299 01:55:56,158 --> 01:55:58,877 You have 15 messages. 2300 01:56:00,328 --> 01:56:01,955 Mike, I can't seem to get ahold of you. 2301 01:56:02,038 --> 01:56:04,507 Will you please call me at your earliest convenience. 2302 01:56:05,834 --> 01:56:08,678 It's Jack. You're buying stocks? 2303 01:56:08,879 --> 01:56:11,849 The market's at an all-time low. This is crazy! 2304 01:56:12,090 --> 01:56:14,434 I met my wife on Match.com. 2305 01:56:14,843 --> 01:56:16,186 My profile said, 2306 01:56:16,386 --> 01:56:18,730 "I am a medical student with only one eye, 2307 01:56:18,805 --> 01:56:20,728 "an awkward social manner, 2308 01:56:20,807 --> 01:56:24,402 "and $145,000 in student loans." 2309 01:56:25,061 --> 01:56:26,529 She wrote back, 2310 01:56:26,813 --> 01:56:28,406 "You're just what I've been looking for." 2311 01:56:29,357 --> 01:56:31,030 She meant honest. 2312 01:56:31,234 --> 01:56:32,907 So let me be honest. 2313 01:56:33,069 --> 01:56:37,324 The housing crisis represents the greatest financial opportunity of... 2314 01:56:37,407 --> 01:56:40,206 Making money is not like I thought it would be. 2315 01:56:40,535 --> 01:56:45,132 This business kills the part of life that is essential. 2316 01:56:45,207 --> 01:56:48,256 The part that has nothing to do with business. 2317 01:56:50,545 --> 01:56:52,593 For the past two years, my insides... 2318 01:56:53,757 --> 01:56:56,135 ...have felt like they're eating themselves. 2319 01:56:56,259 --> 01:56:58,557 All the people I respected 2320 01:56:59,054 --> 01:57:01,557 won't talk to me anymore 2321 01:57:01,806 --> 01:57:03,649 except through lawyers. 2322 01:57:07,395 --> 01:57:08,772 People 2323 01:57:09,564 --> 01:57:13,239 want an authority to tell them how to value things... 2324 01:57:13,610 --> 01:57:18,707 ...but they choose this authority not based on facts or results. 2325 01:57:19,157 --> 01:57:23,833 They choose it because it seems authoritative and familiar. 2326 01:57:23,912 --> 01:57:26,381 And I am not 2327 01:57:26,456 --> 01:57:29,505 and never have been "familiar". 2328 01:57:31,461 --> 01:57:32,462 So... 2329 01:57:33,338 --> 01:57:36,467 So, I've come to the sullen realization 2330 01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:39,349 that I must close down the fund. 2331 01:57:39,427 --> 01:57:42,522 Sincerely, Michael J. Burry, M.D. 2332 01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:44,334 This isn't how I pictured it. 2333 01:58:46,328 --> 01:58:47,500 What did you think We'd find? 2334 01:58:47,579 --> 01:58:48,626 I don't know. 2335 01:58:50,498 --> 01:58:52,000 Grownups. 2336 01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:57,422 Mark, you there? 2337 01:59:00,091 --> 01:59:01,343 VINNIEI Mark? 2338 01:59:01,593 --> 01:59:04,517 Paulson and Bernanke just left the White House. 2339 01:59:09,851 --> 01:59:12,024 There's going to be a bailout. 2340 01:59:13,605 --> 01:59:17,030 Well, they had to. Right? 2341 01:59:17,359 --> 01:59:18,531 Paper markets would've collapsed. 2342 01:59:18,610 --> 01:59:19,782 They knew. 2343 01:59:20,028 --> 01:59:21,530 Cash would've stopped coming out of ATMs. 2344 01:59:21,613 --> 01:59:23,160 They had to backstop this. 2345 01:59:23,448 --> 01:59:25,792 They knew the taxpayers would bail them out. 2346 01:59:25,867 --> 01:59:28,290 They weren't being stupid. They just didn't care. 2347 01:59:28,453 --> 01:59:30,626 Yeah. 'Cause they're fucking crooks. 2348 01:59:32,540 --> 01:59:35,089 But at least we're going to see some of them go to jail. 2349 01:59:36,294 --> 01:59:39,548 Right? I mean, they're gonna have to break up the banks. 2350 01:59:40,632 --> 01:59:41,975 I mean, the party's over. 2351 01:59:42,050 --> 01:59:44,724 I don't know. I don't know, Vinnie. 2352 01:59:47,472 --> 01:59:48,974 I have a feeling 2353 01:59:49,057 --> 01:59:50,934 that in a few years people are gonna be doing 2354 01:59:51,017 --> 01:59:54,021 what they always do when the economy tanks. 2355 01:59:54,479 --> 01:59:57,699 They will be blaming immigrants and poor people. 2356 01:59:57,982 --> 01:59:59,325 JARED". But Mark was wrong. 2357 02:00:00,443 --> 02:00:02,411 In the years that followed, hundreds of bankers 2358 02:00:02,487 --> 02:00:05,115 and rating agencies executives went to jail. 2359 02:00:05,281 --> 02:00:07,329 The SEC was completely overhauled. 2360 02:00:07,492 --> 02:00:10,211 And Congress had no choice but to break up the big banks 2361 02:00:10,620 --> 02:00:13,089 and regulate the mortgage and derivatives industries. 2362 02:00:17,877 --> 02:00:19,220 Just kidding. 2363 02:00:19,462 --> 02:00:21,681 The banks took the money the American people gave them 2364 02:00:21,756 --> 02:00:24,054 and used it to pay themselves huge bonuses 2365 02:00:24,134 --> 02:00:26,387 and lobby Congress to kill big reform. 2366 02:00:26,553 --> 02:00:28,806 And then they blamed immigrants and poor people. 2367 02:00:28,888 --> 02:00:31,061 And this time, even teachers. 2368 02:00:32,434 --> 02:00:33,651 And when all was said and done, 2369 02:00:33,727 --> 02:00:35,479 only one single banker went to jail. 2370 02:00:36,396 --> 02:00:37,522 This poor schmuck. 2371 02:00:37,605 --> 02:00:40,074 Kareem Serageldin from Credit Suisse. 2372 02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,744 He hid a few billion in mortgage bond losses, 2373 02:00:42,819 --> 02:00:46,073 something most of the big banks did on a good day during the crisis. 2374 02:00:47,699 --> 02:00:49,701 Mark, can we sell now? 2375 02:00:51,494 --> 02:00:53,997 The fund will make almost $1 billion. 2376 02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:55,707 You'll clear $200 mil, Mark. 2377 02:00:56,875 --> 02:00:59,128 You know, once we sell, 2378 02:00:59,878 --> 02:01:01,755 we'll be just like the rest of them. 2379 02:01:01,838 --> 02:01:02,964 You know that. 2380 02:01:03,298 --> 02:01:04,891 No, we're not. We're not the bad guys here. 2381 02:01:04,966 --> 02:01:08,470 We didn't defraud the American people and prey on their dreams 2382 02:01:08,553 --> 02:01:10,146 of owning a home. All right? 2383 02:01:10,221 --> 02:01:11,438 They did. 2384 02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:14,483 And now we get to kick them in the teeth. 2385 02:01:19,898 --> 02:01:21,900 A billion dollars. 2386 02:01:23,568 --> 02:01:24,820 That's right. 2387 02:01:24,903 --> 02:01:27,747 But we got to close out our position or it could be zero. 2388 02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:31,083 I mean, it's now or never, Mark. 2389 02:01:40,251 --> 02:01:41,673 Okay. 2390 02:01:45,423 --> 02:01:46,845 Sell it all. 2391 02:01:47,423 --> 02:01:52,845 AlexanderTheGreaT183100

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