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Are you sure Hacker's
the man for this?
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Yes.
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He's the best choice to bring in
an integrated transport policy?
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- Yes.
- But he knows nothing about it!
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No.
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You've sounded out
the Transport Secretary
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He won't touch it.
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Yes. This could turn out to be
a bed of nails.
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A crown of thorns.
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A booby trap.
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It has to look like
something's going to be done.
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It calls for a particular
combination of talents,
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lots of activity
but no actual achievement.
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I see.
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Then Hacker is the man!
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So how do we go about him?
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You're the PM's Chief Special
Advisor. You know the form.
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We make it seem
like a special honour.
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A promotion. A present.
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But Sir Humphrey will tell Hacker
he'd be crazy to do it.
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Yes.
Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes,
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I can hear him say.
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"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts,"
roughly translated.
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Humphrey would have put it
in English for Hacker's benefit.
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Hacker went to the LSE.
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- So did I.
- Oh, I am sorry.
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We must get an immediate
commitment from Hacker
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before he talks to Humphrey.
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- Today? Now
- Don't you think it'll work?
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Flattering a politician?
When's it ever failed?
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We'll offer to call him
Transport Supremo, shall we?
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Yes, much more attractive
than Transport Muggins!
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Ah, Jim!
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Hello, Mark.
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- Arnold.
- Drink?
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Yes, thank you.
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- Everything all right?
- Everything's fine.
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We wanted...
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That is,
the Prime Minister wanted
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the Cabinet Secretary and me
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to sound you out
about something...
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something of an honour, I may say.
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Honour?
You don't mean kicked up there?
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No, no. A real honour.
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A significant increase
of responsibility.
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Now, what are your views
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on the integrated National
Transport Policy?
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Er... I... I...
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Well, er... I...
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Go on.
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The PM has decided we need
a national transport policy.
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Yes. Well. Why not?
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You're in favour?
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Public dissatisfaction with the
nationalised transport industries
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is now at a high enough level
to worry the government, as you know.
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Can you go on?
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- No, we can't go on, not like this.
- We need a policy.
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Not just blame the management
if there's an R in the month
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and the unions the rest of the time.
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Unfortunately,
they've got together.
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Their line is
It's the government's fault.
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Everything that goes wrong is the result
of not having an integrated policy.
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- We did have a policy before.
- Did we?
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Yes, it was our policy
not to have a policy.
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Well, now the PM wants
a positive policy.
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Oh, the PM. Yes, well, er...
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I couldn't agree more.
I've always thought so.
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Good.
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Surely it's
a Ministry of Transport matter?
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No.
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Obviously the Transport
Secretary would love the job,
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but he's too close to it all.
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- Can't see the wood for the trees.
- It needs an open mind, uncluttered.
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So the PM has decided
to appoint a supremo
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to develop and implement
a national transport policy.
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- Supremo?
- A supremo.
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And...
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Exactly.
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It was agreed
you had the most open mind.
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And the most uncluttered.
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Of course it's a great honour
and a responsibility.
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Er, but what... What sort of...
Er... I mean...
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You mean what is required of an
integrated transport policy minister?
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- It's to help the consumer.
- Very popular with the public.
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- Not that that would...
- No, of course not. it's my duty.
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The motorways were planned
without reference to the railways,
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so there are great stretches
of motorway
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running alongside
already existing railways.
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- While other areas aren't served at all.
- Quite. We knew you'd understand.
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- It's really quite simple.
- Yes.
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- Then there's through tickets.
- Through tickets?
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If you want to commute
from Henley to the City,
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you need one British Rail ticket
to Paddington
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and then an Underground ticket
to the Bank.
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Have you ever seen
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a combined bus and railway
timetable?
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Or ever seen a bus timetable
in a railway station?
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Has a bus driver ever seen
a bus timetable?
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There's a British Rail
Western Region line
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running less than a mile
north of Heathrow,
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but no link line.
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Bus and train services
don't connect, all over London.
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And outside London
there are problems.
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Probably.
But we don't know about them.
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It's full of possibilities.
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You'd like me to discuss it
with Humphrey and come back?
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There is much to discuss
with Sir Humphrey,
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but we need an indication
of your response now.
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The PM's car leaves
for the airport in 30 minutes.
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The Ottawa conference.
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- Then the UN speech in New York.
- Then Washington.
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Gosh, what a long trip.
Who's going to run the country
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Sorry, Arnold. Silly question.
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- So we can give the PM the good news?
- There's a lot to put in hand.
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- Oh, yes. I'm on.
- Splendid! Have another drink.
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- Ah, Minister.
- Sorry I'm late.
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- Got some splendid news.
- Indeed, Minister?
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- I have a new job.
- The department will be sorry to lose you.
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No, I mean an extra job.
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I've been asked to develop
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an integrated national transport
policy by the Prime Minister.
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I see.
And what was the good news?
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That was the good news.
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Oh. Then how,
if I may be so bold as to enquire,
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- would you describe bad news?
- What?
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Do you realise what this job
would mean if you accept it?
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- I have accepted it.
- You've what?
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- I have accepted it.
- Minister, you're not serious!
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Yes, it's an honour.
We need a transport policy.
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If by ๏ฟฝwe๏ฟฝ you mean Britain,
that's quite true.
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But if by ๏ฟฝwe๏ฟฝ you mean
this department,
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we need a transport policy
like an aperture in the cranial cavity!
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It is a bed of nails!
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I know it may cause
extra administrative duties.
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Minister, that is not the point.
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The reason there's no
integrated transport policy
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is that it's in everybody's interest
except the minister who creates it.
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Why?
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How can I put it in a manner
which is close to your heart?
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- It is the ultimate vote loser.
- Vote loser?
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Why do you think
the Transport Secretary isn't doling it?
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Why did he suggest
the Lord Privy Seal?
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Why did the Lord Privy Seal
suggest
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the Chancellor
of the Duchy of Lancaster,
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who suggested
the President of the Council?
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I didn't know this.
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And why did they invite you
to No. 10 behind my back?
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This hideous appointment
has been hurtling round Whitehall
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for three weeks like a grenade
with the pin taken out!
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If I pull it off,
It'll be a feather in my cap.
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If you pull it off, Minister,
It won't be in your cap any more.
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Thank you, Bernard.
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If you pull it off, no one will feel
the benefits for ten years.
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Long before that,
you and I will have moved on.
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Or up.
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- Or out.
- Out?
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In the meantime, formulating
policy means making choices.
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Once you do that, you please
the people that you favour,
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but infuriate everybody else.
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One vote gained, ten lost.
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If you give the job
to the road services,
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the rail board and unions
will scream.
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Give it to the railways,
the road lobby will massacre you.
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Cut British Airways
Investment plans,
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they'll hold a devastating
press conference that same day.
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But I'm going to be
Transport Supremo!
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I believe the Civil Service vernacular
is Transport Muggins!
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No, the Prime Minister
has asked me
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to undertake this task,
this necessary duty.
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After all, we must all endeavour
to do our duty.
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Furthermore, Sir Mark thinks
there may be votes in it.
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I won't look a gift horse
in the mouth.
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You're looking
a Trojan horse in the mouth!
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If we look closely at this gift horse
we'll find it full of Trojans?
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If you'd looked
a Trojan horse in the mouth,
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you'd have found Greeks inside.
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It was the Greeks who gave
the Trojan horse to the Trojans.
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Technically, it wasn't
a Trojan horse but a Greek horse.
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Hence the tag
Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes,
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which, you'll recall,
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is usually and somewhat
inaccurately translated,
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"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts,"
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or doubtless you would have recalled
had you not attended the LSE.
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Greek tags are all very well,
but can we stick to the point?
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- Yes...
- Sorry, Greek tags?
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"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts."
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The EEC equivalent would be,
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"Beware of Greeks bearing
an olive oil surplus"!
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- Excellent.
- No, the point is, Minister,
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just as the Trojan horse
was Greek,
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what you call a Greek tag
is, in fact, Latin.
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The Greeks wouldn't suggest
bewaring of themselves,
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if one can use such a participle,
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and it's clearly Latin
not because "Timeo" ends in "o",
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as the Greek first person
also ends in "o".
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No, there is a Greek word "Timao"
meaning "I honour",
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but the "Os" ending is
a nominative singular termination
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of a second declension in Greek
and an accusative plural in Latin,
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though actually Danaos
is not only the Greek for Greek,
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It's also the Latin for Greek.
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Yes, I take your point, Humphrey,
but is it really as bad as that?
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Minister, perhaps...
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Perhaps you will allow me
to prove it to you.
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I will arrange
a preliminary conference for you
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with three Under-Secretaries
from the Department of Transport,
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from the roads, rail
and air transport divisions.
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What will that prove?
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It may illustrate some problems
you will encounter.
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You may be right.
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But if I succeed,
this could be my Falkland Islands.
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Yes.
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And you could be General Galtieri!
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With respect,
I feel constrained to point out
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the proposal is deeply misguided.
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- So what do you suggest?
- It should be government policy
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to designate road haulage as its
principal means of freight transport.
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If I might crave
your indulgence for a moment,
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I think such a policy would be,
not to put too fine a point on it,
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unacceptably short-sighted.
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Rail transport must surely be
the favoured carrier
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under any sane national policy.
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With the greatest respect,
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both those proposals
are formulae for disaster.
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Long-term considerations mandate
the increase of airfreight.
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If the minister wants
a massive budget increase...
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If the minister accepts a long,
bitter rail strike...
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If the minister can tolerate
a massive rise in public discontent...
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Hold on!
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- We are the government, aren't we?
- Indeed you are, Minister.
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- So we're all on the same side.
- Indeed, no question.
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Doling what's best for Britain.
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Is the end of the airfreight business
best for Britain?
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How is Britain served
by the destruction of the railways?
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How does Britain benefit from a
deterioration of the road network?
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I want to examine policy options for
the government's freight transport needs.
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I thought a preliminary discussion,
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a few friends around the table,
a few positive suggestions...
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- An expansion of rail transport...
- An expansion of motorway construction...
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- An expansion of airfreight capacity.
- I need to achieve a reduction in costs.
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Then there is only
one possible course.
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Indeed there is.
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And there's no doubt what it is.
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I always like to end
on a note of agreement.
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Thank you, gentlemen.
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Minister.
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Perhaps we could discuss a date
for our next meeting. This way, please.
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That was a very frank meeting.
248
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More than frank, Minister.
Frank bordering on direct.
249
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The cleaners will mop up
the blood tomorrow.
250
00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:13,450
Bernard, can you help me?
251
00:14:13,617 --> 00:14:16,609
- How, Minister?
- Under-Secretaries are civil servants.
252
00:14:16,777 --> 00:14:19,928
But they behave like counsel
briefed by the transport interests
253
00:14:20,097 --> 00:14:21,416
to defeat the government.
254
00:14:21,577 --> 00:14:24,171
- That's right.
- No, Bernard, that's wrong.
255
00:14:24,337 --> 00:14:25,486
That's how it works.
256
00:14:25,657 --> 00:14:29,889
Each department is controlled
by the people it's supposed to control.
257
00:14:30,057 --> 00:14:31,172
How do you mean?
258
00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:34,329
Why do we have
comprehensive education?
259
00:14:34,497 --> 00:14:37,330
- Who wanted it? Pupils, parents?
- Not really.
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00:14:37,497 --> 00:14:39,692
The National Union of Teachers,
261
00:14:39,857 --> 00:14:42,371
the chief client
of the Department of Education,
262
00:14:42,537 --> 00:14:44,129
so the DES went comprehensive.
263
00:14:44,297 --> 00:14:46,413
Departments act
for the powerful interest
264
00:14:46,577 --> 00:14:48,966
with whom they have
a permanent relationship.
265
00:14:49,137 --> 00:14:52,288
The Department of Employment
lobbies for the TUC.
266
00:14:52,457 --> 00:14:56,450
The Department of Industry lobbies
for the employers. it's a nice balance.
267
00:14:56,617 --> 00:14:58,255
Energy lobbies for oil companies,
268
00:14:58,417 --> 00:15:01,727
Defence for the armed forces,
the Home Office for the police.
269
00:15:01,897 --> 00:15:05,810
So the system aims to stop
the Cabinet carrying out its policies?
270
00:15:05,977 --> 00:15:08,207
Well, somebody's got to!
271
00:15:10,417 --> 00:15:12,567
So formulating
a national transport policy
272
00:15:12,737 --> 00:15:15,649
means fighting
not just the transport industry
273
00:15:15,817 --> 00:15:18,889
but the entire Civil Service as well?
274
00:15:19,697 --> 00:15:23,485
Shouldn't the Civil Service help
the government carry out its wishes?
275
00:15:23,657 --> 00:15:27,536
Well, as long as the government's
wishes are practicable.
276
00:15:27,697 --> 00:15:28,732
Meaning?
277
00:15:28,897 --> 00:15:31,457
As long as the Civil Service
agrees with them!
278
00:15:32,657 --> 00:15:34,807
Useful meeting, Minister.
279
00:15:35,697 --> 00:15:37,449
All right, Humphrey.
280
00:15:38,617 --> 00:15:39,732
You win.
281
00:15:42,337 --> 00:15:45,613
- What do I win?
- We must get out of our commitments.
282
00:15:45,777 --> 00:15:49,406
Clearly the title Transport Supremo
is not worth having.
283
00:15:49,577 --> 00:15:52,171
We must change
the Prime Minister's mind.
284
00:15:52,337 --> 00:15:53,656
Is that "we" plural,
285
00:15:53,817 --> 00:15:57,446
or do supremos now use
the royal pronoun?
286
00:15:58,297 --> 00:15:59,969
I mean both of us, Humphrey,
287
00:16:00,137 --> 00:16:02,332
unless you want the DAA
saddled with this.
288
00:16:03,497 --> 00:16:05,249
So, what are you suggesting?
289
00:16:05,417 --> 00:16:09,092
Bernard, find a map
of the PM's constituency.
290
00:16:09,257 --> 00:16:12,249
- Humphrey, I need some advice.
- Yes, Minister?
291
00:16:12,417 --> 00:16:15,807
Could the formulation
of a national transport policy
292
00:16:15,977 --> 00:16:18,286
have unwanted
local repercussions?
293
00:16:19,577 --> 00:16:22,250
Er, yes, indeed, Minister.
294
00:16:22,417 --> 00:16:24,533
Even in a constituency
represented
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00:16:24,697 --> 00:16:27,131
by a very senior member
of the government,
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00:16:27,297 --> 00:16:30,130
the most senior member
of the government?
297
00:16:30,297 --> 00:16:31,650
Deeply embarrassing!
298
00:16:31,817 --> 00:16:35,127
Here's the street map
and the directory.
299
00:16:35,297 --> 00:16:36,366
Splendid.
300
00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:39,370
This is the Prime Minister's
constituency, isn't it?
301
00:16:39,537 --> 00:16:41,175
Oh, look, a park!
302
00:16:43,857 --> 00:16:45,927
Near the station.
303
00:16:46,097 --> 00:16:48,565
One requirement
of a transport policy
304
00:16:48,737 --> 00:16:52,491
is to bring bus stations
nearer to railway stations.
305
00:16:52,657 --> 00:16:54,693
But that would mean
building on the park.
306
00:16:54,857 --> 00:16:55,926
Alas, yes.
307
00:16:56,937 --> 00:16:59,451
Somebody has to suffer
in the national interest.
308
00:16:59,617 --> 00:17:00,970
Take a note, Bernard.
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00:17:01,137 --> 00:17:04,686
Bus station to be moved
into Queen Charlotte's Park.
310
00:17:05,257 --> 00:17:08,693
Oh, Minister,
there's a big bus repair shop.
311
00:17:08,857 --> 00:17:12,406
Isn't it economic to amalgamate
the bus and train repairs?
312
00:17:12,577 --> 00:17:14,169
Absolutely. Big saving.
313
00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:17,090
Bus repair shop
to be closed, Bernard.
314
00:17:17,257 --> 00:17:20,374
This is commuter country,
what about that?
315
00:17:20,537 --> 00:17:22,732
Commuter trains run at a loss.
316
00:17:22,897 --> 00:17:25,127
They're only really used
at rush hours.
317
00:17:25,297 --> 00:17:28,016
So commuters are,
in effect, subsidised.
318
00:17:28,177 --> 00:17:32,250
- Isn't that unfair on the others?
- It's a great injustice.
319
00:17:32,417 --> 00:17:35,614
Commuters to pay
full economic fares, Bernard.
320
00:17:36,257 --> 00:17:38,646
Mind, that'll double
the price of tickets.
321
00:17:38,817 --> 00:17:41,490
Can't make an omelette
without breaking eggs!
322
00:17:41,657 --> 00:17:44,490
There are quite a few
railway stations in this area.
323
00:17:44,657 --> 00:17:47,330
- British Rail and Underground.
- Yes?
324
00:17:47,977 --> 00:17:51,686
One view is that areas
with reasonable rail services
325
00:17:51,857 --> 00:17:54,735
don't need
an evening bus service too.
326
00:17:54,897 --> 00:17:57,172
Avery persuasive view,
to my mind.
327
00:17:57,337 --> 00:17:59,931
All bus services
to cease after 6.30pm.
328
00:18:02,137 --> 00:18:03,331
What about this space
329
00:18:03,497 --> 00:18:06,011
when the bus station's
moved to the park?
330
00:18:06,177 --> 00:18:11,092
Well, the area's very short of parking
space for container lorries...
331
00:18:12,417 --> 00:18:14,169
especially at night.
332
00:18:14,657 --> 00:18:18,366
Container lorry park
on bus station site, Bernard.
333
00:18:18,537 --> 00:18:21,574
Won't that mean widening
this access road?
334
00:18:21,737 --> 00:18:22,852
Yes, indeed.
335
00:18:23,017 --> 00:18:26,453
We'll have to take away the western
half of the swimming baths.
336
00:18:26,617 --> 00:18:28,414
I'm afraid so.
337
00:18:28,577 --> 00:18:32,729
These are just the local implications
of a broad national policy.
338
00:18:32,897 --> 00:18:34,615
Exactly, Minister.
339
00:18:34,777 --> 00:18:38,452
Even so, I ought to write a paper
to the Prime Minister personally.
340
00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:41,654
He'd like to know
the constituency implications.
341
00:18:41,817 --> 00:18:43,728
As a loyal Cabinet member,
342
00:18:43,897 --> 00:18:47,253
I owe that to the PM
amongst other things!
343
00:18:47,777 --> 00:18:51,736
Mind you, it would be awful
if the press got hold of this.
344
00:18:51,897 --> 00:18:54,092
With so many other
boroughs threatened,
345
00:18:54,257 --> 00:18:55,895
there'd be a national outcry.
346
00:18:56,057 --> 00:18:58,969
Is there a danger of them
getting hold of it?
347
00:18:59,137 --> 00:19:02,174
They're very clever
at getting hold of things.
348
00:19:02,337 --> 00:19:06,046
- Especially if there are lots of copies.
- Oh, dear!
349
00:19:06,217 --> 00:19:09,448
I shall have to make copies
for my Cabinet colleagues.
350
00:19:09,617 --> 00:19:13,656
Their own constituencies
will be affected in due course.
351
00:19:13,817 --> 00:19:16,570
And if it were leaked,
with so many copies,
352
00:19:16,737 --> 00:19:19,410
no one would ever discover
who leaked it.
353
00:19:20,817 --> 00:19:23,047
It so happens
I'm having lunch today
354
00:19:23,217 --> 00:19:25,253
with Peter Maxwell of The Times.
355
00:19:25,417 --> 00:19:26,532
Excellent!
356
00:19:27,337 --> 00:19:30,568
Don't do anything I wouldn't do.
357
00:19:31,617 --> 00:19:33,733
You can trust me, Minister!
358
00:19:39,777 --> 00:19:42,007
I'm sure you've heard
rumours, Peter,
359
00:19:42,177 --> 00:19:44,407
of this integrated transport policy.
360
00:19:44,577 --> 00:19:48,650
- That old chestnut coming up again?
- Yes, but in an interesting form.
361
00:19:48,817 --> 00:19:51,490
The policy may have
unwelcome side effects.
362
00:19:51,657 --> 00:19:52,692
Such as?
363
00:19:52,857 --> 00:19:55,929
Job loss from integration
of bus and rail terminals,
364
00:19:56,097 --> 00:19:58,736
job loss from joint repair shops,
365
00:19:58,897 --> 00:20:01,889
job loss from streamlining
of buses and trains,
366
00:20:02,297 --> 00:20:04,891
and reduction of services,
causing job loss.
367
00:20:06,337 --> 00:20:08,407
That's just for starters.
368
00:20:09,177 --> 00:20:12,487
If this is being seriously proposed,
It's quite a story.
369
00:20:12,657 --> 00:20:15,569
- Even more interesting than you think.
- How's that?
370
00:20:16,337 --> 00:20:18,248
One of the areas to suffer most
371
00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:20,931
is the Prime Minister's
own constituency.
372
00:20:21,497 --> 00:20:23,294
Have you any hard facts?
373
00:20:24,737 --> 00:20:26,807
Dear Peter, what a question!
374
00:20:26,977 --> 00:20:29,616
Newspapers
aren't like the government.
375
00:20:29,777 --> 00:20:32,974
If we make statements,
we have to prove them.
376
00:20:33,937 --> 00:20:38,328
Got something in writing?
There always is in the Civil Service.
377
00:20:39,137 --> 00:20:42,891
Only a confidential note
from my minister to the Prime Minister
378
00:20:43,057 --> 00:20:47,812
and a similar note from my minister
to all 22 of his Cabinet colleagues.
379
00:20:48,857 --> 00:20:50,734
Oh, that's all right, then.
380
00:20:50,897 --> 00:20:55,254
Will you show it to me
or shall I get it from one of the others?
381
00:20:55,417 --> 00:20:57,931
Peter, it's a confidential document.
382
00:20:58,097 --> 00:21:02,136
It would be grossly improper of me
to betray it to anyone
383
00:21:02,297 --> 00:21:04,652
- let alone a journalist.
- Of course.
384
00:21:04,817 --> 00:21:07,206
The only way
you'd get hold of a copy
385
00:21:07,377 --> 00:21:11,052
is if someone were to leave it
lying around by mistake.
386
00:21:11,217 --> 00:21:12,730
I see.
387
00:21:12,897 --> 00:21:15,809
Oh, well, back to the grindstone.
388
00:21:17,857 --> 00:21:21,372
Well, nice to talk, Peter.
Thank you for the lunch.
389
00:21:21,537 --> 00:21:23,528
- Thank you.
- Goodbye.
390
00:21:27,697 --> 00:21:30,689
Oh, Humphrey,
you are so careless!
391
00:21:36,537 --> 00:21:39,131
Ah, Jim. Thanks for dropping in.
392
00:21:39,297 --> 00:21:43,973
I thought I ought to tell you
that the PM isn't very pleased.
393
00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:47,368
- Oh, not pleased?
- Not pleased.
394
00:21:48,377 --> 00:21:53,007
- This story in last Tuesday's Times.
- Yes, terrible. I'm not pleased either.
395
00:21:53,897 --> 00:21:56,650
- There's obviously been a leak.
- Obviously.
396
00:21:56,817 --> 00:22:00,935
- Can't even trust Cabinet colleagues.
- What are you suggesting?
397
00:22:01,097 --> 00:22:03,770
Well, it might not have been
one of them.
398
00:22:03,937 --> 00:22:06,326
I sent a copy of my paper here
to No. 10.
399
00:22:06,497 --> 00:22:09,091
You don't think
there's a leak here, do you?
400
00:22:09,257 --> 00:22:13,853
- The PM's office does not leak!
- Of course not. Perish the thought!
401
00:22:14,017 --> 00:22:16,656
It wasn't just the leak
that was disturbing.
402
00:22:16,817 --> 00:22:19,968
It was the misleading
implications of the proposals.
403
00:22:20,137 --> 00:22:23,049
No, not misleading.
Have you read my paper?
404
00:22:23,217 --> 00:22:24,855
Have you read mine?
405
00:22:29,817 --> 00:22:32,854
This is the paper
from the PM's constituency.
406
00:22:33,017 --> 00:22:34,336
I believe it is.
407
00:22:35,417 --> 00:22:39,046
"PM steps in to stop transport
reorganisation proposals.
408
00:22:39,857 --> 00:22:42,087
Rumours that services and jobs
were threatened
409
00:22:42,257 --> 00:22:45,135
in this constituency
were scotched today.
410
00:22:45,297 --> 00:22:47,970
Apparently the PM
has given a firm direction
411
00:22:48,137 --> 00:22:50,731
to Transport Supremo
designate Jim Hacker."
412
00:22:50,897 --> 00:22:54,048
- I haven't heard from the PM.
- You have now!
413
00:22:55,257 --> 00:22:59,455
I'm afraid this leak, wherever
It comes from, is a verbatim report
414
00:22:59,617 --> 00:23:03,656
of a confidential minute
dictated by the PM in Ottawa.
415
00:23:04,617 --> 00:23:09,532
So, the national transport policy
will need some re-thinking!
416
00:23:11,017 --> 00:23:12,769
It will be difficult.
417
00:23:12,937 --> 00:23:16,930
The PM feels it's the difficult jobs
that the ministers are there for,
418
00:23:17,097 --> 00:23:19,691
assuming they wish
to remain as ministers.
419
00:23:19,857 --> 00:23:21,370
Yes, well, of course.
420
00:23:22,057 --> 00:23:24,446
- If it needs, er...
- Rethinking.
421
00:23:24,617 --> 00:23:27,211
Rethinking,
then of course I shall rethink.
422
00:23:27,377 --> 00:23:28,776
Good.
423
00:23:28,937 --> 00:23:32,532
But how did this get into
the PM's own local paper?
424
00:23:32,697 --> 00:23:37,487
I don't know.
But the PM's office does not leak.
425
00:23:39,857 --> 00:23:43,691
Shocking, though, isn't it?
You can't trust anyone nowadays.
426
00:23:46,977 --> 00:23:49,650
Back to square one.
Well, that's all right.
427
00:23:49,817 --> 00:23:51,455
It is not all right.
428
00:23:51,857 --> 00:23:54,132
I'm still stuck
with this ghastly job.
429
00:23:54,297 --> 00:23:56,208
No, Minister, it is excellent news.
430
00:23:56,377 --> 00:23:58,937
We now present our other kind
of non-proposal.
431
00:23:59,097 --> 00:24:01,975
- What other kind?
- The high cost, high staff kind.
432
00:24:02,137 --> 00:24:05,971
We now propose
a British National Transport Authority
433
00:24:06,137 --> 00:24:09,015
with a full structure,
regional board, area council,
434
00:24:09,177 --> 00:24:11,532
local office,
liaison committee, the lot.
435
00:24:11,697 --> 00:24:14,495
80,000 staff,
billion-a-year budget.
436
00:24:15,177 --> 00:24:17,247
The Treasury will have a fit!
437
00:24:18,097 --> 00:24:21,726
The whole thing will go back
to the Department of Transport.
438
00:24:21,897 --> 00:24:25,685
Great. Could you do me
a paper on this, Humphrey,
439
00:24:25,857 --> 00:24:30,328
with full staff and costing details
and a specimen annual budget?
440
00:24:35,097 --> 00:24:38,055
There's a one-page summary
on the front.
441
00:24:38,457 --> 00:24:41,893
- Humphrey, you're marvellous.
- It's nothing, really.
442
00:24:42,057 --> 00:24:45,493
I say, what if the press
should get hold of this!
443
00:24:48,137 --> 00:24:50,605
They'd have to have
another leak enquiry.
444
00:24:50,777 --> 00:24:52,927
Will they really set up
an enquiry
445
00:24:53,097 --> 00:24:55,486
- Bound to.
- Won't that be embarrassing?
446
00:24:55,657 --> 00:24:58,774
No, no, no.
That's what leak enquires are for.
447
00:24:59,857 --> 00:25:02,815
Setting up.
They don't actually conduct them.
448
00:25:02,977 --> 00:25:05,571
Members may be appointed,
but they'll never meet,
449
00:25:05,737 --> 00:25:07,216
and certainly never report.
450
00:25:07,377 --> 00:25:10,892
How many leak enquires
can you recall that named the culprit?
451
00:25:11,057 --> 00:25:15,016
- In round figures.
- If you want it in round figures...
452
00:25:15,177 --> 00:25:17,930
- None.
- They never report.
453
00:25:18,097 --> 00:25:21,373
If the culprit is a civil servant,
It'd be unfair to publish.
454
00:25:21,537 --> 00:25:22,936
Politicians take the rap.
455
00:25:23,097 --> 00:25:25,088
If it's a politician,
you can't publish
456
00:25:25,257 --> 00:25:27,771
or he'll disclose other leaks
by his colleagues.
457
00:25:27,937 --> 00:25:29,973
But chiefly they can't publish
458
00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:32,651
because most leaks
come from No. 10.
459
00:25:33,617 --> 00:25:35,255
The ship of state, Bernard,
460
00:25:35,417 --> 00:25:38,011
is the only ship that leaks
from the top.
461
00:25:38,937 --> 00:25:42,896
So, if the problem is a leaky PM,
462
00:25:43,057 --> 00:25:45,776
as in this case, the facts
are difficult to get at
463
00:25:45,937 --> 00:25:47,893
and impossible
to publish if you do!
464
00:25:48,577 --> 00:25:52,536
May I remind you, a gentleman
from the press is waiting.
465
00:25:52,697 --> 00:25:55,769
- Ah, yes.
- I'll leave you, Minister.
466
00:25:55,937 --> 00:25:58,497
- Oh, er, Humphrey...
- Minister?
467
00:25:59,377 --> 00:26:02,847
Have you got another copy
of these new proposals?
468
00:26:03,017 --> 00:26:04,086
Of course!
469
00:26:05,337 --> 00:26:08,966
- There.
- Because I'm awfully absent-minded.
470
00:26:09,137 --> 00:26:12,812
I'm always leaving documents
lying around...
471
00:26:14,337 --> 00:26:16,897
forgetting where I've put them.
472
00:26:18,137 --> 00:26:20,935
I do understand, Minister!
473
00:26:21,937 --> 00:26:26,055
Another leak.
This is extremely serious.
474
00:26:26,217 --> 00:26:27,536
Yes, indeed.
475
00:26:28,337 --> 00:26:31,374
This is almost approaching
a disciplinary level.
476
00:26:31,537 --> 00:26:35,007
- I so agree, don't you, Humphrey?
- Indeed, Minister.
477
00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,372
If only we could find the culprits.
478
00:26:37,537 --> 00:26:39,732
It would be a most serious matter.
479
00:26:39,897 --> 00:26:41,774
Perhaps I can help there.
480
00:26:43,097 --> 00:26:46,373
I think that if I were to use
my influence,
481
00:26:46,537 --> 00:26:49,415
I could achieve
a disclosure from The Times
482
00:26:49,577 --> 00:26:52,489
of how they got hold
of your original plan.
483
00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:55,807
- Oh?
- Really?
484
00:26:56,577 --> 00:27:00,252
- I might be able to help there, too.
- Indeed?
485
00:27:00,417 --> 00:27:03,136
- Are you sure, Minister?
- Oh, yes.
486
00:27:03,297 --> 00:27:07,085
I'm confident I can find out
where the press got the leak
487
00:27:07,257 --> 00:27:09,930
about the PM's opposition
to our plan.
488
00:27:11,177 --> 00:27:15,056
If it transpired the leak came
from the Prime Minister's own office
489
00:27:15,217 --> 00:27:19,574
that'd be even more serious than a leak
from a Cabinet Minister's office.
490
00:27:19,737 --> 00:27:22,615
I mean,
the security implications alone...
491
00:27:25,497 --> 00:27:28,728
Perhaps we should call
in the police or MI5.
492
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:30,774
MI5, good idea, Minister.
493
00:27:30,937 --> 00:27:34,213
A leak from the Prime Minister's office
is very serious.
494
00:27:34,377 --> 00:27:39,053
Nevertheless, our first priority
must be to investigate the original leak.
495
00:27:39,217 --> 00:27:43,608
Surely we should first investigate
a possible leak from No. 10.
496
00:27:44,377 --> 00:27:48,450
In all events, the inevitable
public outcry after all these leaks
497
00:27:48,617 --> 00:27:51,768
will make it awfully
difficult for us to formulate
498
00:27:51,937 --> 00:27:55,168
an integrated national
transport policy in the DAA.
499
00:27:55,337 --> 00:27:58,568
The time is unripe,
the cellmate is unsuitable.
500
00:27:58,737 --> 00:28:00,932
The atmosphere is unfavourable.
501
00:28:01,097 --> 00:28:04,214
Our only avenues of approach
are now blocked.
502
00:28:06,177 --> 00:28:07,690
I wonder...
503
00:28:08,497 --> 00:28:11,409
If it might not be wiser
to take the whole matter
504
00:28:11,577 --> 00:28:13,807
back to the Department
of Transport?
505
00:28:14,777 --> 00:28:20,409
- That, Arnold, is a brilliant idea.
- I wish I'd thought of that.
506
00:28:22,057 --> 00:28:25,572
- There remains the question of the leaks.
- Indeed.
507
00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:29,616
I feel we ought to treat this
with the utmost gravity.
508
00:28:29,777 --> 00:28:32,655
- I think I have a solution.
- Indeed?
509
00:28:32,817 --> 00:28:35,570
Will we recommend
to the Prime Minister
510
00:28:35,737 --> 00:28:38,649
that we set up
an immediate leak enquiry
511
00:28:39,617 --> 00:28:41,209
Yes, Minister!
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