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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,003 --> 00:00:07,203 January 1591, Edinburgh. 2 00:00:09,403 --> 00:00:12,763 A woman is about to be executed. 3 00:00:12,763 --> 00:00:15,003 Her crime? 4 00:00:15,003 --> 00:00:18,363 She is a witch! 5 00:00:18,363 --> 00:00:22,883 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly. 6 00:00:22,883 --> 00:00:26,163 She's been interrogated and tortured, 7 00:00:26,163 --> 00:00:30,483 and now she'll be strangled and burnt at the stake. 8 00:00:32,763 --> 00:00:35,563 BELL TOLLS 9 00:00:35,563 --> 00:00:38,363 How did the execution of this woman 10 00:00:38,363 --> 00:00:42,363 light the fuse on a century of witch-hunts across Britain, 11 00:00:42,363 --> 00:00:47,883 and the state-sanctioned killing of thousands more like her? 12 00:00:47,883 --> 00:00:51,083 The ungodly are not so! 13 00:00:55,323 --> 00:00:58,043 In this series, I'm reinvestigating 14 00:00:58,043 --> 00:01:03,323 some of the most dramatic and brutal chapters in British history. 15 00:01:03,323 --> 00:01:06,043 It wasn't just one generation, 16 00:01:06,043 --> 00:01:09,243 it was three generations, losing their lives, 17 00:01:09,243 --> 00:01:11,283 bam, bam, bam. 18 00:01:11,283 --> 00:01:14,683 These stories form part of our national mythology. 19 00:01:14,683 --> 00:01:19,083 They harbour mysteries that have intrigued us for centuries. 20 00:01:19,083 --> 00:01:22,563 It's chilling to think that this could actually be evidence 21 00:01:22,563 --> 00:01:25,083 in a murder investigation. 22 00:01:25,083 --> 00:01:27,443 But with the passage of time, 23 00:01:27,443 --> 00:01:31,163 we have new ways to unlock their secrets, 24 00:01:31,163 --> 00:01:35,803 using scientific advances and a modern perspective. 25 00:01:35,803 --> 00:01:38,803 It's a horrible psychosexual form of torture, isn't it? Absolutely. 26 00:01:40,163 --> 00:01:43,083 I'm going to uncover forgotten witnesses, 27 00:01:43,083 --> 00:01:45,563 I'm going to re-examine old evidence 28 00:01:45,563 --> 00:01:50,923 and follow new clues to get closer to the truth. 29 00:01:50,923 --> 00:01:54,483 It is one of the great British mysteries. 30 00:01:54,483 --> 00:01:56,923 It was one of those moments, I'm afraid, for a historian, 31 00:01:56,923 --> 00:01:59,243 that makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck. 32 00:01:59,243 --> 00:02:00,723 RAVEN CROAKS 33 00:02:15,763 --> 00:02:18,003 Today, when we think about witches, 34 00:02:18,003 --> 00:02:21,803 we think about old hags with pointy hats 35 00:02:21,803 --> 00:02:24,523 and broomsticks and black cats. 36 00:02:24,523 --> 00:02:31,003 But witches have a history that's long, sinister and very real. 37 00:02:31,003 --> 00:02:34,403 400 years ago, thousands of ordinary women 38 00:02:34,403 --> 00:02:39,043 were tortured and executed in witch-hunts. 39 00:02:39,043 --> 00:02:44,443 I want to know who these women were, and why they were killed. 40 00:02:53,483 --> 00:02:58,763 The witch-hunting craze that swept the country 400 years ago 41 00:02:58,763 --> 00:03:03,283 began here, just along the coast from Edinburgh, 42 00:03:03,283 --> 00:03:06,323 in the small seaside town of North Berwick. 43 00:03:07,683 --> 00:03:10,203 The events that were said to have taken place here 44 00:03:10,203 --> 00:03:14,203 would spark the very first large-scale witch-hunt in Scotland. 45 00:03:15,403 --> 00:03:18,043 I'm heading to the scene of the crime, 46 00:03:18,043 --> 00:03:20,723 the Old Kirk of St Andrew. 47 00:03:22,003 --> 00:03:24,763 It looks a bit like a small hut. 48 00:03:31,003 --> 00:03:36,003 Today, this is all that remains of a once-sizeable church. 49 00:03:36,003 --> 00:03:39,723 And it was here, one night in October 1590, 50 00:03:39,723 --> 00:03:42,963 that a group of witches supposedly gathered. 51 00:03:46,483 --> 00:03:49,003 What a great place for a witches' meeting! 52 00:03:49,003 --> 00:03:51,283 Right on the edge of the sea, with a huge, craggy, 53 00:03:51,283 --> 00:03:53,403 devilish-looking rock in the background. 54 00:03:55,203 --> 00:03:58,963 This was a time when everyone believed in witchcraft, 55 00:03:58,963 --> 00:04:02,403 and this is the story of what happened here. 56 00:04:02,403 --> 00:04:06,803 "On the night of All Hallows..." That means Halloween. 57 00:04:06,803 --> 00:04:09,523 The perfect time for some witchy business. 58 00:04:14,683 --> 00:04:21,243 "There were a great many witches, to the number of 200." 59 00:04:22,363 --> 00:04:26,323 And it says that they had flagons of wine... 60 00:04:26,323 --> 00:04:27,923 THEY SING 61 00:04:27,923 --> 00:04:32,043 ..they were making merry and drinking, 62 00:04:32,043 --> 00:04:35,843 and they were singing all with one voice. 63 00:04:39,323 --> 00:04:42,763 The story goes that the devil was here. 64 00:04:45,003 --> 00:04:48,523 And these witches were concocting dangerous spells. 65 00:04:52,483 --> 00:04:55,683 They took a cat and christened it, 66 00:04:55,683 --> 00:05:00,883 and afterward, bound to each part of that cat 67 00:05:00,883 --> 00:05:04,443 the chiefest parts of a dead man. 68 00:05:06,043 --> 00:05:09,003 And the said cat was put in the sea. 69 00:05:09,003 --> 00:05:14,163 And then, "There did arise such a tempest in the sea 70 00:05:14,163 --> 00:05:16,283 "as a greater have not been seen". 71 00:05:16,283 --> 00:05:17,763 THUNDERCLAP 72 00:05:21,043 --> 00:05:24,323 This storm had been conjured for one purpose - 73 00:05:24,323 --> 00:05:26,603 to kill the King of Scotland. 74 00:05:27,963 --> 00:05:29,483 WAVES CRASH 75 00:05:29,483 --> 00:05:32,563 James VI had been returning by ship from Denmark, 76 00:05:32,563 --> 00:05:34,483 and was lucky to survive. 77 00:05:38,923 --> 00:05:42,523 This all sounds absolutely bonkers. Ha-ha-ha-ha! 78 00:05:42,523 --> 00:05:45,683 But it's all... Oh! 79 00:05:47,563 --> 00:05:49,123 It makes a crazy sort of sense. 80 00:05:49,123 --> 00:05:52,043 This is exactly the sort of thing witches are supposed to do, isn't it? 81 00:05:52,043 --> 00:05:54,883 They're supposed to play around with corpses and cats. 82 00:05:54,883 --> 00:05:57,483 Witches are supposed to be able to control the weather. 83 00:05:57,483 --> 00:05:59,163 It's one of their powers. 84 00:06:01,523 --> 00:06:03,523 It might sound like a fairy tale, 85 00:06:03,523 --> 00:06:07,603 but what happened here set off a devastating chain of events. 86 00:06:09,123 --> 00:06:12,803 Dozens were executed for this alleged plot. 87 00:06:12,803 --> 00:06:16,083 And it triggered a century of persecution 88 00:06:16,083 --> 00:06:18,243 across the British Isles. 89 00:06:18,243 --> 00:06:21,923 Thousands more would be killed for the crime of witchcraft. 90 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:25,043 Some of them, men, the majority, women. 91 00:06:32,003 --> 00:06:36,163 To understand why this story had such impact, 92 00:06:36,163 --> 00:06:39,283 I want to see the original text for myself. 93 00:06:40,843 --> 00:06:44,643 It's held here, at the University of Glasgow Archives. 94 00:06:46,163 --> 00:06:50,923 It's a pamphlet, printed in London, called News From Scotland. 95 00:06:50,923 --> 00:06:54,323 And it gives a full account of this plot against the king 96 00:06:54,323 --> 00:06:57,203 and the trial of those held responsible. 97 00:06:58,603 --> 00:07:01,723 Only a very few of these pamphlets survive. 98 00:07:05,483 --> 00:07:10,723 This little book is more than 400 years old. 99 00:07:10,723 --> 00:07:13,043 It's an account, in quite... 100 00:07:13,043 --> 00:07:16,403 In fact, it's quite a sensational, tabloidy account, 101 00:07:16,403 --> 00:07:19,403 of the first major witch-hunt in Scotland. 102 00:07:19,403 --> 00:07:24,003 It was written in 1591, shortly after the events it describes. 103 00:07:24,003 --> 00:07:27,083 I...I have picked up many, many old books, 104 00:07:27,083 --> 00:07:29,923 and it never gets old. 105 00:07:29,923 --> 00:07:32,923 It's a pleasure every single time. 106 00:07:32,923 --> 00:07:35,643 You can't open it too wide. 107 00:07:35,643 --> 00:07:37,243 Don't want it to snap. 108 00:07:38,563 --> 00:07:40,003 Here's a little summary. 109 00:07:40,003 --> 00:07:42,403 It's a true discourse 110 00:07:42,403 --> 00:07:45,963 of the apprehension of sundry witches 111 00:07:45,963 --> 00:07:49,243 lately taken in Scotland, where of some... 112 00:07:49,243 --> 00:07:51,443 Ooh! ..are executed, 113 00:07:51,443 --> 00:07:53,963 and some are yet imprisoned. 114 00:07:56,763 --> 00:07:58,163 These must be the witches. 115 00:07:58,163 --> 00:08:01,323 They're all bustling along in a sort of girl gang. 116 00:08:02,323 --> 00:08:04,323 And it's pretty clear that they are witches, 117 00:08:04,323 --> 00:08:06,483 because here is the devil. 118 00:08:06,483 --> 00:08:10,243 He's in a pulpit, he's making a sermon like a priest would do, 119 00:08:10,243 --> 00:08:12,243 but he's the flip image of a priest. 120 00:08:12,243 --> 00:08:14,043 He is, in fact, the devil. 121 00:08:14,043 --> 00:08:17,323 And these witches here at the top, they are 122 00:08:17,323 --> 00:08:19,563 working magic with their cauldron. 123 00:08:19,563 --> 00:08:22,603 They have cooked up a storm 124 00:08:22,603 --> 00:08:25,963 that has destroyed His Majesty's ship. 125 00:08:25,963 --> 00:08:28,723 You can see it's been wrecked, people are falling into the waves. 126 00:08:28,723 --> 00:08:30,763 And these are the witches 127 00:08:30,763 --> 00:08:34,803 who disrupted the king's journey back from Denmark. 128 00:08:37,763 --> 00:08:42,403 This pamphlet was commissioned by King James himself. 129 00:08:42,403 --> 00:08:46,563 It was distributed in England to tell the story of his triumph 130 00:08:46,563 --> 00:08:49,763 against the witches' wicked plot. 131 00:08:49,763 --> 00:08:52,523 It's clearly designed to be dramatic. 132 00:08:52,523 --> 00:08:55,603 Hmm. So this is quite emotive language here. 133 00:08:55,603 --> 00:08:59,483 They're not just witches, they are wicked and detestable witches. 134 00:08:59,483 --> 00:09:02,083 They had, seduced by their sorcery 135 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:07,563 a number of others to be as bad as themselves. 136 00:09:07,563 --> 00:09:10,403 So this is a problem. 137 00:09:10,403 --> 00:09:13,283 The number of witches in Scotland is growing. 138 00:09:13,283 --> 00:09:15,283 There are more and more of them every day. 139 00:09:15,283 --> 00:09:17,483 We should be very afraid. 140 00:09:18,603 --> 00:09:24,603 The author tells us that, "God have lately overthrown and hindered 141 00:09:24,603 --> 00:09:27,643 "the intentions and wicked dealings" 142 00:09:27,643 --> 00:09:31,003 "of a great number of ungodly creatures, 143 00:09:31,003 --> 00:09:34,403 "no better than devils." 144 00:09:34,403 --> 00:09:38,203 News From Scotland paints witches 145 00:09:38,203 --> 00:09:41,563 as a serious threat to order and stability. 146 00:09:41,563 --> 00:09:44,483 And the witch-hunt as the necessary means 147 00:09:44,483 --> 00:09:47,403 by which the godly can prevail. 148 00:09:47,403 --> 00:09:51,083 But why was the Scottish king so eager to tell the English 149 00:09:51,083 --> 00:09:53,523 about his triumph over evil? 150 00:10:01,523 --> 00:10:04,843 The late 16th century was a time of huge 151 00:10:04,843 --> 00:10:07,923 political and religious upheaval. 152 00:10:08,963 --> 00:10:12,923 The Reformation was sweeping across Europe, 153 00:10:12,923 --> 00:10:15,643 as Protestants rejected the Pope's authority 154 00:10:15,643 --> 00:10:19,203 and centuries of Catholicism. 155 00:10:19,203 --> 00:10:21,923 Here in Scotland, James was the figurehead 156 00:10:21,923 --> 00:10:24,443 for this new Protestant church, 157 00:10:24,443 --> 00:10:27,763 but he also had his eye on the English throne. 158 00:10:27,763 --> 00:10:31,883 Queen Elizabeth I was getting older, she had no children. 159 00:10:31,883 --> 00:10:36,483 James was positioning himself as a strong and godly ruler. 160 00:10:36,483 --> 00:10:40,443 As a worthy successor to the Crown of England. 161 00:10:43,963 --> 00:10:47,003 Did James VI's desire for greater power 162 00:10:47,003 --> 00:10:51,723 play a part in the ramping up of a war against witches? 163 00:10:51,723 --> 00:10:54,763 Edinburgh's National Portrait Gallery 164 00:10:54,763 --> 00:10:58,923 has a painting of James VI dating from this time. 165 00:10:58,923 --> 00:11:01,683 James has just turned 24, 166 00:11:01,683 --> 00:11:05,163 he has already had two decades of his reign, 167 00:11:05,163 --> 00:11:07,923 and a very turbulent reign it has been. 168 00:11:07,923 --> 00:11:09,963 And remember, he's still quite a young king 169 00:11:09,963 --> 00:11:12,723 who's sort of dealing with noble factions and quarrels. 170 00:11:12,723 --> 00:11:15,243 And he doesn't have the all-important heir. 171 00:11:15,243 --> 00:11:18,483 So, am I right that, in 1590, James has just got married? 172 00:11:18,483 --> 00:11:21,283 Yes. He's just got married to Anna of Denmark. 173 00:11:21,283 --> 00:11:23,123 She's just a teenager. 174 00:11:23,123 --> 00:11:24,843 She is his new bride. 175 00:11:24,843 --> 00:11:26,843 And of course, now James has the hope 176 00:11:26,843 --> 00:11:30,083 that they're going to have children, they're going to produce heirs. 177 00:11:30,083 --> 00:11:32,323 But there've been a few problems in getting her 178 00:11:32,323 --> 00:11:34,203 from Denmark to Scotland, haven't there? 179 00:11:34,203 --> 00:11:37,923 Anna's meant to be coming to Scotland, but there are these terrible storms 180 00:11:37,923 --> 00:11:39,643 and her ship springs a leak. 181 00:11:39,643 --> 00:11:42,963 And the admiral in charge of the fleet says, " No, we have to turn back." 182 00:11:42,963 --> 00:11:45,043 And James makes a decision. 183 00:11:45,043 --> 00:11:46,923 "I'm going to go to Anna!" 184 00:11:46,923 --> 00:11:49,763 Originally, he's driven back by storms. 185 00:11:49,763 --> 00:11:53,643 He has to go back into one of the Fife ports and then try again. 186 00:11:53,643 --> 00:11:55,643 But eventually, they make it through. 187 00:11:55,643 --> 00:11:57,763 But he's had to leave his country. 188 00:11:57,763 --> 00:12:02,163 I mean, OK, he has taken a lot of his nobles and gentlemen with him, 189 00:12:02,163 --> 00:12:03,723 where he can keep an eye on them, 190 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:06,443 but he has had to leave Scotland. 191 00:12:06,443 --> 00:12:08,163 It's a risk. Yes! 192 00:12:08,163 --> 00:12:11,283 So these storms, this business of the weather in the North Sea, 193 00:12:11,283 --> 00:12:13,683 is psychologically onerous to him. 194 00:12:13,683 --> 00:12:15,963 It's more than inconvenient, it's dangerous. 195 00:12:15,963 --> 00:12:19,643 He's had to take risks to his personal safety to overcome it. 196 00:12:19,643 --> 00:12:23,283 Yes. And remember, we've only James, there's no heir. 197 00:12:23,283 --> 00:12:27,643 If James goes down with the ship, Scotland is plunged into chaos. 198 00:12:27,643 --> 00:12:31,003 Louise, how familiar do you think James was 199 00:12:31,003 --> 00:12:33,443 with the idea of witches and witchcraft? 200 00:12:33,443 --> 00:12:37,443 Witchcraft has been around in Scotland from before the Reformation. 201 00:12:37,443 --> 00:12:41,803 The important thing is that people believed that witchcraft is real. 202 00:12:41,803 --> 00:12:45,603 And it's also about living in a providential world, 203 00:12:45,603 --> 00:12:48,603 where you believe God is looking over everything. 204 00:12:48,603 --> 00:12:51,363 So if the king is godly, then God blesses him, 205 00:12:51,363 --> 00:12:54,963 God blesses his rule, God blesses his country and people. 206 00:12:54,963 --> 00:12:58,203 Now, if you annoy God by letting sinners like witches go unpunished, 207 00:12:58,203 --> 00:13:01,003 well, that's when God might visit your country with famines 208 00:13:01,003 --> 00:13:03,483 and plagues and losses in battle. 209 00:13:03,483 --> 00:13:06,323 So, you know, to show you're a good, strong king, 210 00:13:06,323 --> 00:13:09,483 you must show you're a godly king, upholding God's law. 211 00:13:09,483 --> 00:13:13,243 And especially against the enemies of God, the witches. 212 00:13:15,003 --> 00:13:19,083 What better way to prove that you're a righteous and godly king 213 00:13:19,083 --> 00:13:23,243 than to triumph in a face-off with witches? 214 00:13:23,243 --> 00:13:28,563 That pamphlet, News From Scotland, was clearly good spin for James. 215 00:13:28,563 --> 00:13:32,683 But who were the real women of North Berwick, 216 00:13:32,683 --> 00:13:37,483 branded as witches, arrested and burnt at the stake? 217 00:13:43,283 --> 00:13:47,603 It's not easy to uncover the story of these ordinary women. 218 00:13:47,603 --> 00:13:51,603 They would have been illiterate, so left no testimony of their own, 219 00:13:51,603 --> 00:13:54,603 and many witch-trial documents have been lost. 220 00:13:56,403 --> 00:14:01,123 This book is a history of King James VI. 221 00:14:01,123 --> 00:14:05,363 It's contemporary, it was written in his lifetime. 222 00:14:05,363 --> 00:14:10,923 And there's a whole section in it about witches. 223 00:14:10,923 --> 00:14:15,683 And there should be a reference to the very first woman to be executed 224 00:14:15,683 --> 00:14:18,443 in the North Berwick witch-hunt. 225 00:14:18,443 --> 00:14:20,923 And here, I think... 226 00:14:20,923 --> 00:14:22,723 Yes! 227 00:14:22,723 --> 00:14:24,603 ..is her name. 228 00:14:24,603 --> 00:14:26,523 Agnes Sampson. 229 00:14:33,483 --> 00:14:36,363 Agnes Sampson, "grace wyff". 230 00:14:36,363 --> 00:14:38,283 That means midwife. 231 00:14:40,763 --> 00:14:44,403 Somebody who brings you God's grace when you're giving birth. 232 00:14:47,403 --> 00:14:50,123 And it says, "alias callit", 233 00:14:50,123 --> 00:14:51,923 which means otherwise called, 234 00:14:51,923 --> 00:14:55,643 "the wyse wyff of Keyth". 235 00:14:55,643 --> 00:14:58,323 That means a wise woman, 236 00:14:58,323 --> 00:15:00,483 a...a folk healer, 237 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:04,123 somebody with slightly mysterious powers. 238 00:15:04,123 --> 00:15:06,803 And it looks like she's from Keyth. 239 00:15:10,843 --> 00:15:14,123 So, how on earth did Agnes Sampson, 240 00:15:14,123 --> 00:15:16,003 midwife and folk healer, 241 00:15:16,003 --> 00:15:18,883 get caught up in this brutal witch-hunt? 242 00:15:25,563 --> 00:15:29,203 The answer could lie in the role she played in her community, 243 00:15:29,203 --> 00:15:31,203 and in the tools of her trade. 244 00:15:33,043 --> 00:15:37,003 Hidden away in the storerooms at the National Museum of Scotland 245 00:15:37,003 --> 00:15:42,243 is a unique collection of everyday objects with magical powers. 246 00:15:47,043 --> 00:15:50,083 Well, what we have here is a selection of some of 247 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:53,523 our large collection of charms and amulets, 248 00:15:53,523 --> 00:15:56,923 which are reputed to have superstitious powers. 249 00:15:56,923 --> 00:16:02,123 So these were objects put to, um...protect you, 250 00:16:02,123 --> 00:16:04,563 and they are also curative. 251 00:16:04,563 --> 00:16:08,163 So, what sort of a world are we looking into here, then? 252 00:16:08,163 --> 00:16:11,083 One...one where people probably believed in God, 253 00:16:11,083 --> 00:16:13,923 but also believed in a load of other sort of supernatural powers? Yes. 254 00:16:13,923 --> 00:16:18,483 We have religious belief, a belief in God, that is able to co-exist, 255 00:16:18,483 --> 00:16:22,403 in their mind, quite happily, with the supernatural. 256 00:16:22,403 --> 00:16:27,483 So a belief in fairies, malevolent elves, evil witches. 257 00:16:27,483 --> 00:16:31,243 What's this neat little black one that looks like a Christmas pudding tied up with a ribbon? 258 00:16:31,243 --> 00:16:35,443 This is a seedpod that's come all the way... Oh, is it? 259 00:16:35,443 --> 00:16:37,283 ..possibly from the Caribbean, 260 00:16:37,283 --> 00:16:39,723 and it's floated on the Gulf Stream. 261 00:16:39,723 --> 00:16:43,803 So local people, ordinary people, would pick them up off the beaches 262 00:16:43,803 --> 00:16:47,603 and use these to help them during childbirth. 263 00:16:47,603 --> 00:16:51,443 And as a result, they are called Mary's Nut. 264 00:16:51,443 --> 00:16:53,443 Mary's Nut? Yep, or St Mary's Nut. 265 00:16:53,443 --> 00:16:57,523 So it's really Mother Mary's protection in childbirth. 266 00:16:57,523 --> 00:17:00,483 So it's that combination of a religious belief 267 00:17:00,483 --> 00:17:03,763 allied to something that has more of a folk belief 268 00:17:03,763 --> 00:17:05,643 and a superstitious belief. 269 00:17:05,643 --> 00:17:08,923 And is it the sort of thing that you'd lend to your friend when she was pregnant... 270 00:17:08,923 --> 00:17:11,163 Yeah, I think you could. ..and then pass it on? Yeah. 271 00:17:11,163 --> 00:17:13,123 But you'd probably want your own one, anyway, 272 00:17:13,123 --> 00:17:16,283 cos you're probably giving birth quite a lot. Oh, many times, yes. 273 00:17:16,283 --> 00:17:19,803 A lot of...a lot of use for the Mary's Nuts. Yeah. 274 00:17:19,803 --> 00:17:21,643 This one catches my eye. 275 00:17:21,643 --> 00:17:24,803 Well, this little cross is a wonderful example 276 00:17:24,803 --> 00:17:27,723 of something everyday that anyone could have owned. 277 00:17:27,723 --> 00:17:30,323 It's, um...made from rowan, 278 00:17:30,323 --> 00:17:33,563 and the rowan tree is supposed to be protective 279 00:17:33,563 --> 00:17:35,243 against evil spirits. 280 00:17:35,243 --> 00:17:38,763 So you might just carry this, you could have it on your person, 281 00:17:38,763 --> 00:17:41,163 or you could have it under your pillow. Mm-hm. 282 00:17:41,163 --> 00:17:45,763 And you planted rowan trees in your gardens to keep away the evil spirits. 283 00:17:45,763 --> 00:17:49,683 So, how does a folk healer fit into this world 284 00:17:49,683 --> 00:17:51,723 of the amulets and the charms? 285 00:17:51,723 --> 00:17:56,603 So you'll have had these as your everyday item for everyday protection, 286 00:17:56,603 --> 00:18:01,443 and you would bring in someone, like a healer, a wise woman, 287 00:18:01,443 --> 00:18:03,323 when something's gone really badly wrong. 288 00:18:03,323 --> 00:18:07,043 She will have had knowledge of herbs and so on, like a homeopath today. 289 00:18:07,043 --> 00:18:11,323 But they're also presumed to have magical powers. 290 00:18:11,323 --> 00:18:13,643 This sounds like witchcraft. 291 00:18:13,643 --> 00:18:16,643 What's the difference between folk healing and witchery? 292 00:18:16,643 --> 00:18:19,203 The witch is living within the community 293 00:18:19,203 --> 00:18:22,043 and associated with evil things. 294 00:18:22,043 --> 00:18:27,043 Evil spirits, nasty things happening, disease, crops failing. 295 00:18:27,043 --> 00:18:30,683 The folk healer is associated with good things. 296 00:18:30,683 --> 00:18:32,843 So, the folk healer is on your side... Yes. 297 00:18:32,843 --> 00:18:34,403 ..and the witch is against you? Yes. 298 00:18:34,403 --> 00:18:36,603 Indeed, she's a witch-buster. 299 00:18:36,603 --> 00:18:41,083 Because she's associated with getting rid of those evil spirits. 300 00:18:44,403 --> 00:18:48,083 Agnes would have been a pillar of her community. 301 00:18:48,083 --> 00:18:50,003 So, how did that change? 302 00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:52,923 And why did she become branded as a witch, 303 00:18:52,923 --> 00:18:55,403 accused of plotting to kill the king? 304 00:19:02,243 --> 00:19:05,723 I want to see where the wise wife of Keyth lived. 305 00:19:07,603 --> 00:19:11,003 Her village lies in the East Lothian countryside, 306 00:19:11,003 --> 00:19:14,603 about 20 miles south of North Berwick. 307 00:19:14,603 --> 00:19:17,363 So I guess that's the remains of the village. 308 00:19:17,363 --> 00:19:20,483 Looks like it's only one house just now. 309 00:19:20,483 --> 00:19:23,363 But up here this way, 310 00:19:23,363 --> 00:19:27,363 is the...the remains of the church. 311 00:19:27,363 --> 00:19:30,203 BIRDSONG 312 00:19:31,283 --> 00:19:35,763 I'm looking for the ruin, that I think is through this sea of nettles. 313 00:19:35,763 --> 00:19:37,923 Makes a change from being in the library! 314 00:19:39,283 --> 00:19:42,363 Ah! That's brilliant. 315 00:19:42,363 --> 00:19:46,003 MONASTIC CHANTING 316 00:19:46,003 --> 00:19:51,003 It's great to think that Agnes herself would have stood here. 317 00:19:51,003 --> 00:19:53,403 This would have been where she came... 318 00:19:55,603 --> 00:19:57,363 ..to services. 319 00:19:58,723 --> 00:20:00,883 Here since the 12th century, 320 00:20:00,883 --> 00:20:05,963 Agnes' village church would have been Catholic for almost 300 years. 321 00:20:05,963 --> 00:20:11,003 Decorated with murals and alive with the chanting of Latin Mass. 322 00:20:13,043 --> 00:20:18,323 But from the 1560s, her church was becoming Protestant. 323 00:20:18,323 --> 00:20:20,483 The shock waves of the Reformation 324 00:20:20,483 --> 00:20:23,803 were felt even in remote villages like this one. 325 00:20:23,803 --> 00:20:28,563 The church was stripped of its Catholic adornments, 326 00:20:28,563 --> 00:20:31,523 the Latin Mass was banned. 327 00:20:31,523 --> 00:20:37,803 Now, Catholic belief and folk belief had sort of peacefully co-existed. 328 00:20:37,803 --> 00:20:40,683 But I'm starting to wonder whether, 329 00:20:40,683 --> 00:20:43,163 as Catholic gave way to Protestant, 330 00:20:43,163 --> 00:20:47,403 a folk healer like Agnes might have been caught in the crossfire. 331 00:20:49,923 --> 00:20:53,203 Religious change brought huge upheaval, 332 00:20:53,203 --> 00:20:56,643 even for a small, rural village like Agnes'. 333 00:20:56,643 --> 00:20:59,083 And they faced other difficulties, too. 334 00:21:00,563 --> 00:21:03,803 It was a period that's sometimes called the Little Ice Age. 335 00:21:03,803 --> 00:21:05,483 Winters were getting colder. 336 00:21:05,483 --> 00:21:09,923 I do know that in the 1580s there was a big famine in Scotland 337 00:21:09,923 --> 00:21:12,643 and population was rising. 338 00:21:12,643 --> 00:21:16,003 There was more competition for resources. 339 00:21:16,003 --> 00:21:19,043 There must have been more fear and suspicion 340 00:21:19,043 --> 00:21:21,203 and trouble of various kinds, 341 00:21:21,203 --> 00:21:24,723 as there always is when something bad happens. 342 00:21:24,723 --> 00:21:28,123 There must have been a sense that something was going wrong 343 00:21:28,123 --> 00:21:30,043 and that somebody must be to blame. 344 00:21:36,123 --> 00:21:40,203 A folk healer like Agnes trod a fine line 345 00:21:40,203 --> 00:21:44,603 between being someone people called upon when they needed help 346 00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:48,683 and someone they blamed when misfortune struck. 347 00:22:03,203 --> 00:22:07,883 It makes me wonder what triggered the first accusation against Agnes. 348 00:22:09,883 --> 00:22:13,323 News From Scotland claims she was denounced as a witch 349 00:22:13,323 --> 00:22:16,683 by a local servant girl called Geillis Duncane. 350 00:22:16,683 --> 00:22:20,083 But I can't find any evidence to back that up. 351 00:22:20,083 --> 00:22:22,963 What I have uncovered is this document, 352 00:22:22,963 --> 00:22:25,123 describing a church leaders' meeting. 353 00:22:26,323 --> 00:22:28,843 15th September, 1589. 354 00:22:28,843 --> 00:22:31,323 The minutes of the synod say 355 00:22:31,323 --> 00:22:34,963 they've ordered the Presbytery of Haddington, 356 00:22:34,963 --> 00:22:37,963 that's the local church committee in Haddington, 357 00:22:37,963 --> 00:22:41,643 to summon before them Agnes Sampson, 358 00:22:41,643 --> 00:22:44,723 suspected of witchcraft. 359 00:22:44,723 --> 00:22:48,083 So here it is in black and white. 360 00:22:48,083 --> 00:22:50,923 On 15th September, 1589, 361 00:22:50,923 --> 00:22:54,043 we have the first reference to Agnes Sampson 362 00:22:54,043 --> 00:22:56,683 in connection with witchcraft. 363 00:22:57,883 --> 00:23:00,723 This is a year before Agnes was implicated 364 00:23:00,723 --> 00:23:03,763 in the North Berwick plot to kill the king. 365 00:23:04,923 --> 00:23:07,923 It doesn't tell me exactly what she's accused of, 366 00:23:07,923 --> 00:23:10,163 but we do know what happened next. 367 00:23:16,963 --> 00:23:19,163 By this time, the Scottish Church 368 00:23:19,163 --> 00:23:22,763 was in the hands of radical Protestant reformers 369 00:23:22,763 --> 00:23:24,603 who'd been led by John Knox. 370 00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:28,003 Knox had wanted to create a new godly state 371 00:23:28,003 --> 00:23:32,643 based on the pure message of the Bible - obedience and discipline. 372 00:23:32,643 --> 00:23:36,163 Ushering in a new age of religious puritanism in Scotland. 373 00:23:37,603 --> 00:23:39,203 CROW CAWS 374 00:23:42,163 --> 00:23:44,923 This is St Mary's Church in Haddington. 375 00:23:46,483 --> 00:23:49,403 Both North Berwick and Agnes' village of Keyth 376 00:23:49,403 --> 00:23:51,203 came under its jurisdiction. 377 00:23:53,203 --> 00:23:58,203 And it was here that church elders first put Agnes under investigation 378 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:00,243 as a suspected witch. 379 00:24:06,443 --> 00:24:07,963 Hello? 380 00:24:10,363 --> 00:24:12,923 And this church was at the forefront 381 00:24:12,923 --> 00:24:16,643 of the religious and moral reforms sweeping the country. 382 00:24:18,043 --> 00:24:20,243 Hello. Will you be Stewart? Hello. I'm Stewart, yes. 383 00:24:20,243 --> 00:24:22,643 It's really nice to meet you, Stewart. Nice to meet you. 384 00:24:22,643 --> 00:24:25,523 Welcome to St Mary's. Thank you for having me. Not at all. 385 00:24:25,523 --> 00:24:27,643 So, Stewart, what's your connection 386 00:24:27,643 --> 00:24:30,483 to this really huge and beautiful church? 387 00:24:30,483 --> 00:24:33,563 Well, I'm a member of the church and I'm also one of a team 388 00:24:33,563 --> 00:24:36,843 who guide visitors around during our open season. 389 00:24:36,843 --> 00:24:40,003 And my late wife was a minister here for ten years. 390 00:24:40,003 --> 00:24:43,883 Is that quite unusual, to be a female minister in Scotland? Not nowadays. 391 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:47,363 There have been female ministers in the Church of Scotland for over 50 years. 392 00:24:47,363 --> 00:24:50,603 Mm-hm. But it's relatively recent, yes. 393 00:24:50,603 --> 00:24:52,243 And my wife was the first one here. 394 00:24:52,243 --> 00:24:54,883 The first one here? A trailblazer! Absolutely. 395 00:24:54,883 --> 00:24:59,243 Now, I know... Every historian knows, that in the 16th century, 396 00:24:59,243 --> 00:25:01,923 the big thing that happens in Scotland is the Reformation, 397 00:25:01,923 --> 00:25:04,803 which is led by John Knox. 398 00:25:04,803 --> 00:25:07,003 He's...he's a Haddington boy, isn't he? 399 00:25:07,003 --> 00:25:10,403 Well, John Knox was born about 200 yards from where we're standing, 400 00:25:10,403 --> 00:25:11,963 on the other side of the river. 401 00:25:11,963 --> 00:25:14,923 And he was almost certainly baptised in this church. 402 00:25:14,923 --> 00:25:17,323 Oh, wow! So this church... 403 00:25:17,323 --> 00:25:19,083 He was baptised here? 404 00:25:19,083 --> 00:25:22,483 This is right at the cutting edge of the Reformation, then, this place. Yes. 405 00:25:22,483 --> 00:25:25,283 And how would you characterise this... 406 00:25:25,283 --> 00:25:29,043 ..this Scottish Reformation religion that John Knox was keen on? 407 00:25:29,043 --> 00:25:31,883 Of course, it was a much simpler, stricter and very... 408 00:25:31,883 --> 00:25:34,243 In some ways, very harsh religion. 409 00:25:34,243 --> 00:25:36,603 So, what kind of behaviour 410 00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:40,363 did the Reformed Scottish Church disapprove of? 411 00:25:40,363 --> 00:25:43,083 What we you might describe as frivolous behaviour. 412 00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:45,243 Singing, dancing, drinking. 413 00:25:45,243 --> 00:25:47,243 And, of course, fornication. 414 00:25:47,243 --> 00:25:50,123 You could be called up in front of the congregation 415 00:25:50,123 --> 00:25:52,203 if you're misbehaving in some way. 416 00:25:52,203 --> 00:25:55,683 And that's because the devil is just around the corner 417 00:25:55,683 --> 00:25:59,443 and your soul is at risk of eternal damnation if you step out of line. 418 00:25:59,443 --> 00:26:02,643 Yep. And John Knox didn't approve of women, did he? 419 00:26:02,643 --> 00:26:07,763 Well, he didn't approve of women being in positions of authority. Mm. 420 00:26:07,763 --> 00:26:12,963 So, if the new church did not like to have women in positions of authority, 421 00:26:12,963 --> 00:26:16,483 someone like Agnes, who was a wise woman, 422 00:26:16,483 --> 00:26:19,283 who had the trust of the community, 423 00:26:19,283 --> 00:26:22,003 do you think maybe they felt threatened by that? 424 00:26:22,003 --> 00:26:23,963 That's quite possible, yes. 425 00:26:23,963 --> 00:26:25,283 BELL TOLLS 426 00:26:25,283 --> 00:26:27,963 I wonder if Agnes was aware 427 00:26:27,963 --> 00:26:30,243 that she was being watched by the church 428 00:26:30,243 --> 00:26:34,403 as she went about her business as a midwife and a healer? 429 00:26:34,403 --> 00:26:36,843 It's starting to look like there's no place 430 00:26:36,843 --> 00:26:40,643 in this new Protestant order for women like her. 431 00:26:40,643 --> 00:26:43,683 She is a woman in a position of authority. 432 00:26:43,683 --> 00:26:46,043 She's got this power of healing, 433 00:26:46,043 --> 00:26:48,443 people in the community trust her, 434 00:26:48,443 --> 00:26:50,763 need her, look up to her. 435 00:26:50,763 --> 00:26:53,883 Do the church authorities feel a bit threatened by that? 436 00:26:55,603 --> 00:27:00,283 Agnes' fate now lay in the hands of these fervent Protestants. 437 00:27:01,963 --> 00:27:05,563 And these religious leaders were absorbing new ideas 438 00:27:05,563 --> 00:27:09,323 circulating in Europe about the nature of witchcraft 439 00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:10,763 and how to deal with it. 440 00:27:11,923 --> 00:27:16,123 They were laid out in a book written by two German Catholic theologians 441 00:27:16,123 --> 00:27:18,363 in the 15th century. 442 00:27:18,363 --> 00:27:20,803 This is a direct translation 443 00:27:20,803 --> 00:27:23,723 of a text that's more than 500 years old. 444 00:27:25,283 --> 00:27:28,683 It's called Malleus Maleficarum - 445 00:27:28,683 --> 00:27:31,443 the Hammer of Witches. 446 00:27:31,443 --> 00:27:34,683 And it's a sort of a...a manual 447 00:27:34,683 --> 00:27:36,683 of how to spot a witch 448 00:27:36,683 --> 00:27:40,723 and what sort of things they're going to get up to. 449 00:27:40,723 --> 00:27:42,963 One of the things that pleases me about the book 450 00:27:42,963 --> 00:27:46,883 is that it's a sort of series of, um...questions and answers. 451 00:27:46,883 --> 00:27:50,203 Like a listicle that you might get in a magazine. 452 00:27:50,203 --> 00:27:53,043 How are witches transported from place to place? 453 00:27:53,043 --> 00:27:55,723 How do witches perform their spells? 454 00:27:55,723 --> 00:27:58,483 How is a formal pact with evil made? 455 00:27:58,483 --> 00:28:01,763 Central to this text was the idea that witches 456 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:06,563 were in cahoots with a dangerous enemy, the devil. 457 00:28:07,643 --> 00:28:11,643 It's all part of a general turning up of the temperature 458 00:28:11,643 --> 00:28:13,963 on religion in the 16th century. 459 00:28:13,963 --> 00:28:17,443 You've got new Protestants saying, "No, this is the way to do religion!" 460 00:28:17,443 --> 00:28:20,643 And you've got those Catholics, who suddenly become a lot more defensive, 461 00:28:20,643 --> 00:28:22,963 and they say, "No! We feel under attack now. 462 00:28:22,963 --> 00:28:25,323 "This is the way to do religion." 463 00:28:25,323 --> 00:28:29,083 So that's why people just start to think 464 00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:31,843 that it's a matter of life and death, this. 465 00:28:31,843 --> 00:28:35,763 The devil is really wandering around your church, 466 00:28:35,763 --> 00:28:37,763 tempting you, tempting your wife, 467 00:28:37,763 --> 00:28:40,363 and it's like the end of days. 468 00:28:40,363 --> 00:28:43,723 In the 16th century, everybody gets utterly obsessed with the devil. 469 00:28:44,683 --> 00:28:47,403 Demonology books like this made it clear 470 00:28:47,403 --> 00:28:51,443 the devil was specifically recruiting women to do his evil bidding. 471 00:28:53,323 --> 00:28:56,763 Why is it that more witches are female than men? 472 00:28:56,763 --> 00:29:00,323 I'm quite interested in what they're going to say about that. 473 00:29:00,323 --> 00:29:03,843 Well, it's basically because of the wickedness of women, 474 00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:06,403 as spoken of in the Bible. 475 00:29:06,403 --> 00:29:09,003 In Ecclesiasticus 25 - 476 00:29:09,003 --> 00:29:12,763 "There is no wrath above the wrath of a woman! 477 00:29:12,763 --> 00:29:15,443 "I had rather dwell with a lion and a dragon 478 00:29:15,443 --> 00:29:18,123 "than to keep house with a wicked woman." 479 00:29:21,363 --> 00:29:24,883 "All witchcraft comes from carnal lust. 480 00:29:24,883 --> 00:29:28,563 "Which is, in women, insatiable." 481 00:29:28,563 --> 00:29:32,803 And that's why the devil's able to recruit them more easily. 482 00:29:32,803 --> 00:29:34,923 They're so desperate to fill their wombs 483 00:29:34,923 --> 00:29:37,683 that they will consort even with devils. 484 00:29:37,683 --> 00:29:40,243 If there aren't enough men to go around, devils will do. 485 00:29:41,803 --> 00:29:47,363 "The witches meet together in conclave on a set day. 486 00:29:47,363 --> 00:29:50,883 "And the devil appears to them 487 00:29:50,883 --> 00:29:53,843 "in the assumed body of a man." 488 00:29:53,843 --> 00:29:57,243 And he says to them, "Look, if you have sex with me, ladies, 489 00:29:57,243 --> 00:30:00,243 "I will give you long life. That is the deal!" 490 00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:06,163 And this witch is showing her allegiance to the devil 491 00:30:06,163 --> 00:30:08,483 by kissing his backside. 492 00:30:08,483 --> 00:30:10,363 LUCY LAUGHS 493 00:30:11,443 --> 00:30:13,723 Oh, dear! 494 00:30:13,723 --> 00:30:16,963 What has surprised me, reading through this book, 495 00:30:16,963 --> 00:30:20,003 and I really wasn't aware of this, 496 00:30:20,003 --> 00:30:25,123 was just how much witchcraft and sex seemed to be mixed up together. 497 00:30:25,123 --> 00:30:28,723 Fear about sexual matters and the lust of women 498 00:30:28,723 --> 00:30:31,843 seems to be absolutely fundamental. 499 00:30:31,843 --> 00:30:36,723 Now, this brings to life the devil 500 00:30:36,723 --> 00:30:39,923 having his meeting with all the witches who were in his power. 501 00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:44,363 So that's like our coven of witches meeting in the church in North Berwick. 502 00:30:44,363 --> 00:30:47,963 Here's the devil, sitting on his throne, with his horns. 503 00:30:47,963 --> 00:30:51,883 And this witch here, she's got her fire and her cauldron. 504 00:30:51,883 --> 00:30:54,163 Look, she's putting in little cats, I think. 505 00:30:54,163 --> 00:30:57,803 Oh, and look, here's a witch taking off on her broomstick. 506 00:30:57,803 --> 00:31:01,243 I like the way that the things that witches used for their magic, 507 00:31:01,243 --> 00:31:05,603 cauldrons, broomsticks, um...cats, even, 508 00:31:05,603 --> 00:31:07,923 are just...just things from around the house. 509 00:31:07,923 --> 00:31:10,443 They're ordinary, domestic things. 510 00:31:10,443 --> 00:31:12,683 And the things that women would use, not men. 511 00:31:19,763 --> 00:31:21,443 So, poor Agnes! 512 00:31:21,443 --> 00:31:25,163 She's had the bad luck to be born at a really bad time. 513 00:31:26,443 --> 00:31:29,363 For over 100 years now, this conspiracy theory, 514 00:31:29,363 --> 00:31:33,163 kicked off by theologians, has been growing in power. 515 00:31:33,163 --> 00:31:35,803 People now genuinely believe 516 00:31:35,803 --> 00:31:38,563 that witches are largely female, 517 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:40,683 that they gather in groups, 518 00:31:40,683 --> 00:31:44,883 that they have this kinky sexual pact with the devil, 519 00:31:44,883 --> 00:31:47,003 and that their number is growing. 520 00:31:47,003 --> 00:31:49,203 More and more witches are being recruited. 521 00:31:49,203 --> 00:31:52,003 So, what are the authorities going to do 522 00:31:52,003 --> 00:31:54,883 to deal with these wicked women? 523 00:31:57,603 --> 00:32:00,723 For centuries, accusations of witchcraft 524 00:32:00,723 --> 00:32:04,003 had largely been settled within the local community. 525 00:32:06,043 --> 00:32:09,163 But now, driven by Protestantism 526 00:32:09,163 --> 00:32:12,003 that cast witches as the devil's agents, 527 00:32:12,003 --> 00:32:15,683 the authorities had to crack down. 528 00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:21,763 Well, this is the Scottish Witchcraft Act. 529 00:32:21,763 --> 00:32:27,563 So this act was drawn up by Scotland's Protestant Reformers. 530 00:32:27,563 --> 00:32:30,443 John Knox may even have had a hand in it. 531 00:32:30,443 --> 00:32:33,563 It is statute and ordained 532 00:32:33,563 --> 00:32:37,203 that no manner of person or persons, 533 00:32:37,203 --> 00:32:40,163 of whatever estate, degree or condition, 534 00:32:40,163 --> 00:32:42,803 is to use any manner of witchcraft. 535 00:32:42,803 --> 00:32:45,483 And if you do do that, 536 00:32:45,483 --> 00:32:47,643 they'll be under pain of death. 537 00:32:47,643 --> 00:32:49,923 It actually says under the pain of "deid". 538 00:32:49,923 --> 00:32:52,803 That means death. You will be killed. 539 00:32:52,803 --> 00:32:57,283 It has become a capital offence for the first time. 540 00:32:59,323 --> 00:33:02,683 So the act is really clear that the whole weight of the law 541 00:33:02,683 --> 00:33:05,763 is going to come down on anybody doing witchcraft. 542 00:33:08,403 --> 00:33:11,203 But there's a... It seems to me there's a huge problem here. 543 00:33:11,203 --> 00:33:15,243 It doesn't actually say what witchcraft is! 544 00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:19,323 So witchcraft is open to interpretation. 545 00:33:19,323 --> 00:33:22,123 And that means the law is open to interpretation. 546 00:33:22,123 --> 00:33:24,443 And that seems to me to be very dangerous. 547 00:33:25,963 --> 00:33:30,243 The Witchcraft Act put in place a legal framework 548 00:33:30,243 --> 00:33:32,843 for the prosecution of witches. 549 00:33:32,843 --> 00:33:34,963 Now, if enough evidence could be gathered, 550 00:33:34,963 --> 00:33:38,443 a suspected witch could be tried in the courts 551 00:33:38,443 --> 00:33:40,643 and sentenced to death. 552 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:42,203 GULLS CRY 553 00:33:48,963 --> 00:33:53,123 By autumn 1590, the church elders in Haddington 554 00:33:53,123 --> 00:33:56,883 had been investigating and building a case against Agnes 555 00:33:56,883 --> 00:33:58,603 for more than a year. 556 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:03,963 I'm told that very few witch-trial documents still exist, 557 00:34:03,963 --> 00:34:07,963 but remarkably, Agnes' have survived. 558 00:34:09,163 --> 00:34:13,083 I can't access the originals in the National Records of Scotland, 559 00:34:13,083 --> 00:34:16,843 but the History Centre in Haddington has a copy. 560 00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:22,563 Incredibly, they include detailed transcripts 561 00:34:22,563 --> 00:34:24,363 of the evidence against Agnes. 562 00:34:25,523 --> 00:34:29,483 It says here - Here follows the articles of her "dittay"... 563 00:34:30,563 --> 00:34:32,723 ..whereof she was convicted 564 00:34:32,723 --> 00:34:35,603 by number 53! 565 00:34:35,603 --> 00:34:37,923 Now, a dittay, 566 00:34:37,923 --> 00:34:41,003 it's from the French, dittay meaning said. 567 00:34:41,003 --> 00:34:43,003 These are the things that were said against her, 568 00:34:43,003 --> 00:34:44,723 and there were 53 charges. 569 00:34:44,723 --> 00:34:46,883 That's quite a lot, isn't it? 570 00:34:46,883 --> 00:34:50,963 OK. Here, she's charged with using of witchcraft in healing 571 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,163 of John Thompson in "Dirletoune", 572 00:34:54,163 --> 00:34:55,843 who remained... 573 00:34:57,283 --> 00:34:59,003 Oh, I see what she's done. 574 00:34:59,003 --> 00:35:03,483 She's... She used witchcraft to heal John Thompson, 575 00:35:03,483 --> 00:35:06,363 but he remained "crepill", that's crippled, 576 00:35:06,363 --> 00:35:08,843 notwithstanding thereof. 577 00:35:08,843 --> 00:35:12,203 I can see that if you'd...you'd booked Agnes to heal you 578 00:35:12,203 --> 00:35:14,443 and then it failed, 579 00:35:14,443 --> 00:35:16,563 then he'd want his money back, wouldn't he? 580 00:35:16,563 --> 00:35:22,003 You might be so cross that you reported her to the authorities. 581 00:35:22,003 --> 00:35:23,603 Let's have a look at this one. 582 00:35:23,603 --> 00:35:27,643 Item - for coming to Bessie Aitkenhead 583 00:35:27,643 --> 00:35:32,363 and using her prayer and devilish charms 584 00:35:32,363 --> 00:35:35,003 for the recovering of her health to her. 585 00:35:35,003 --> 00:35:37,163 Well, here's someone who's pleased. 586 00:35:37,163 --> 00:35:43,003 Betty...Bessie...Aitkenhead has been cured. 587 00:35:43,003 --> 00:35:45,923 So when I look at the list of people who've been 588 00:35:45,923 --> 00:35:50,523 either cured or not cured by Agnes, 589 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:53,203 it's a bit confusing, cos you can't see what the problem is. 590 00:35:53,203 --> 00:35:57,563 She's sort of going about her business as a healer. 591 00:35:57,563 --> 00:36:00,483 But perhaps the problem is 592 00:36:00,483 --> 00:36:03,963 that this old, traditional way of doing things, of healing people, 593 00:36:03,963 --> 00:36:06,083 has now become suspicious 594 00:36:06,083 --> 00:36:08,963 because people are increasingly worried about witches. 595 00:36:08,963 --> 00:36:13,683 There's a lot of talk here about witchcraft and prayers... 596 00:36:13,683 --> 00:36:15,243 ..to the devil. 597 00:36:15,243 --> 00:36:19,203 I mean, I cannot know whether all of these people, 598 00:36:19,203 --> 00:36:21,043 who were Agnes' clients, 599 00:36:21,043 --> 00:36:24,003 whether they really said these things, 600 00:36:24,003 --> 00:36:28,363 or were these important people who were determined to catch a witch, 601 00:36:28,363 --> 00:36:31,803 were they taking the evidence and twisting it 602 00:36:31,803 --> 00:36:34,683 and putting on this whole witchy layer? 603 00:36:34,683 --> 00:36:37,243 There's much to question about this document, 604 00:36:37,243 --> 00:36:42,883 but it does offer a tantalising glimpse of Agnes herself. 605 00:36:42,883 --> 00:36:46,163 We're told that she's a widow and has children, 606 00:36:46,163 --> 00:36:50,163 and that she learnt her folk-healing skills from her father. 607 00:36:50,163 --> 00:36:54,083 So I love the way that hidden within this formal document 608 00:36:54,083 --> 00:36:57,243 written by men who had it in for Agnes, 609 00:36:57,243 --> 00:37:00,403 we're actually meeting the real person. 610 00:37:01,923 --> 00:37:05,083 And then, here... Now, this is really extraordinary. 611 00:37:07,203 --> 00:37:10,723 Because this is just what you don't normally get. 612 00:37:10,723 --> 00:37:14,963 You do not normally get the recorded words of somebody 613 00:37:14,963 --> 00:37:19,563 living in a tiny village in remote Scotland 614 00:37:19,563 --> 00:37:22,323 in the 1590s. 615 00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:25,843 That's not somebody that we normally hear from in history. 616 00:37:27,523 --> 00:37:30,603 But here, we do, because recorded here 617 00:37:30,603 --> 00:37:35,163 are the words to Agnes' prayer to her patients 618 00:37:35,163 --> 00:37:37,363 for life or death. 619 00:37:37,363 --> 00:37:41,123 All kinds of ills that ever may be 620 00:37:41,123 --> 00:37:45,763 In Christ's name, I conjure thee. 621 00:37:47,243 --> 00:37:48,923 I conjure thee... 622 00:37:48,923 --> 00:37:51,843 ..Both more and less with all the virtues of the Mass 623 00:37:51,843 --> 00:37:54,563 And right so the nails sore 624 00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:57,443 That nailed Jesus and no more. 625 00:37:57,443 --> 00:38:00,483 And right so the same blood 626 00:38:00,483 --> 00:38:03,283 That reeked over the ruthful rood. 627 00:38:03,283 --> 00:38:05,803 Forth of the flesh and forth of the bone 628 00:38:05,803 --> 00:38:08,523 And in the earth and in the stone, 629 00:38:08,523 --> 00:38:11,043 I conjure thee in God's name. 630 00:38:13,043 --> 00:38:15,883 These are supposed to be her very words. 631 00:38:15,883 --> 00:38:17,603 It's like she's speaking to us. 632 00:38:22,723 --> 00:38:25,003 It gives a wonderful, tingly feeling. 633 00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:28,483 This is...this is...this is why we do this, 634 00:38:28,483 --> 00:38:30,763 to bring people back from the dead. 635 00:38:32,283 --> 00:38:34,083 But one thing is clear, 636 00:38:34,083 --> 00:38:38,123 even if some of Agnes' clients were grateful for her powers of healing, 637 00:38:38,123 --> 00:38:41,803 and even if she claimed that her prayer was to God, 638 00:38:41,803 --> 00:38:45,163 the authorities were intent on painting her as a witch 639 00:38:45,163 --> 00:38:46,763 in league with the devil. 640 00:38:48,643 --> 00:38:51,963 And there's something else in here that's really intriguing. 641 00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:58,043 People are summoning her from far and wide. 642 00:38:58,043 --> 00:39:01,803 And it's not just villagers who are after her services, it's...it's the toffs. 643 00:39:01,803 --> 00:39:04,163 Posh people are after her, too. 644 00:39:05,323 --> 00:39:08,923 Perhaps her far-reaching reputation as a healer 645 00:39:08,923 --> 00:39:12,843 helps explain why, when the king was looking for a scapegoat 646 00:39:12,843 --> 00:39:15,283 for the storms that beset his ship, 647 00:39:15,283 --> 00:39:18,923 Agnes Sampson was a ready name on people's lips. 648 00:39:23,523 --> 00:39:26,563 In late autumn 1590, 649 00:39:26,563 --> 00:39:31,003 just weeks after the alleged witches' gathering at North Berwick, 650 00:39:31,003 --> 00:39:33,363 Agnes was arrested, 651 00:39:33,363 --> 00:39:36,003 taken to Edinburgh and imprisoned. 652 00:39:37,203 --> 00:39:42,043 And in early December, she was brought here to be interrogated. 653 00:39:44,123 --> 00:39:47,523 This is the Palace of Holyroodhouse. 654 00:39:47,523 --> 00:39:51,563 This was the home of King James VI. 655 00:39:51,563 --> 00:39:55,523 This part of the palace here has been altered, 656 00:39:55,523 --> 00:40:00,083 but this part is the original palace that Agnes would have seen. 657 00:40:00,083 --> 00:40:04,083 She would have set eyes on these two 658 00:40:04,083 --> 00:40:07,323 rather sinister-looking turrets. 659 00:40:07,323 --> 00:40:11,923 So I really am walking in Agnes' footsteps at this moment. 660 00:40:27,683 --> 00:40:32,683 This is the actual chamber in which James VI received visitors. 661 00:40:32,683 --> 00:40:35,003 His bedchamber is just through there. 662 00:40:35,003 --> 00:40:39,843 And it was here, in this room, to the best of our knowledge, 663 00:40:39,843 --> 00:40:43,883 that Agnes came face-to-face with the king. 664 00:40:47,483 --> 00:40:50,443 What an extraordinary encounter. 665 00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:55,683 A woman from a tiny rural village brought before the king. 666 00:40:57,443 --> 00:41:00,683 A Protestant monarch determined to prove he had the power 667 00:41:00,683 --> 00:41:02,403 to drive out the devil. 668 00:41:03,683 --> 00:41:07,043 So, what on earth happened in this room? 669 00:41:09,203 --> 00:41:11,643 News From Scotland offers this account... 670 00:41:13,043 --> 00:41:17,603 Agnes Sampson was brought here to Holyroodhouse 671 00:41:17,603 --> 00:41:20,763 before the king's majestry 672 00:41:20,763 --> 00:41:23,203 and sundry other of the nobility of Scotland. 673 00:41:23,203 --> 00:41:27,843 But it says here, she stood stiffly in the denial 674 00:41:27,843 --> 00:41:31,323 of all that was laid to her charge. So she stood up to them! 675 00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:33,083 This is a fearsome situation, 676 00:41:33,083 --> 00:41:36,443 to be questioned by the king himself in his royal palace, 677 00:41:36,443 --> 00:41:39,363 but she wasn't giving way an inch. 678 00:41:41,443 --> 00:41:46,043 Despite this, at some point, Agnes cracked and confessed. 679 00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:55,363 It's chilling to realise that all the detail 680 00:41:55,363 --> 00:41:58,843 of what happened in North Berwick, as recounted in News From Scotland, 681 00:41:58,843 --> 00:42:01,763 actually comes from the confession 682 00:42:01,763 --> 00:42:06,443 Agnes made right here in Holyrood Palace. 683 00:42:06,443 --> 00:42:10,403 It was Agnes who said 200 witches gathered together 684 00:42:10,403 --> 00:42:13,043 and used a dead man and a christened cat 685 00:42:13,043 --> 00:42:16,243 to raise the storm that almost killed the king. 686 00:42:16,243 --> 00:42:18,643 This is her story. 687 00:42:19,643 --> 00:42:22,643 But why would she say all these things? 688 00:42:22,643 --> 00:42:26,603 Reading on, I think I can see why. 689 00:42:26,603 --> 00:42:30,763 Agnes Sampson had all her hair shaven off 690 00:42:30,763 --> 00:42:33,283 in each part of her body 691 00:42:33,283 --> 00:42:36,683 and her head thrawn with a rope. 692 00:42:36,683 --> 00:42:40,323 But during this time, she would not confess anything, 693 00:42:40,323 --> 00:42:44,883 until the devil's mark was found upon her privities. 694 00:42:48,243 --> 00:42:51,963 Now, to my mind, this is...this is torture 695 00:42:51,963 --> 00:42:56,803 of a really horrible sexual nature. 696 00:42:59,203 --> 00:43:01,123 It's a sort of a sexual assault. 697 00:43:03,843 --> 00:43:07,563 And then, when this happened, when they did this to her, 698 00:43:07,563 --> 00:43:12,403 she immediately confessed whatsoever was demanded of her. 699 00:43:14,043 --> 00:43:17,643 And...goodness me, I'd do exactly the same thing. 700 00:43:17,643 --> 00:43:19,283 Poor Agnes. 701 00:43:21,763 --> 00:43:26,563 It's hard to be sure whether these descriptions of torture are true. 702 00:43:26,563 --> 00:43:31,163 Was this the sort of treatment inflicted on women like Agnes? 703 00:43:37,563 --> 00:43:42,283 To find out, I'm travelling to Forfar, just north of Dundee. 704 00:43:43,603 --> 00:43:47,603 When a witch-hunt happened here in the 1660s, 705 00:43:47,603 --> 00:43:53,243 more than 50 women were accused from this small town, alone. 706 00:43:53,243 --> 00:43:56,363 Ah! It's Judith! Hello! 707 00:43:56,363 --> 00:43:59,723 I meet you in the flesh at last! I know. 708 00:43:59,723 --> 00:44:03,443 One local historian has been doing ground-breaking research 709 00:44:03,443 --> 00:44:07,283 into the experiences of these so-called witches. 710 00:44:07,283 --> 00:44:11,683 She's uncovered shocking new evidence of their interrogation 711 00:44:11,683 --> 00:44:14,643 from unlikely historical documents - 712 00:44:14,643 --> 00:44:17,883 the town's financial records. 713 00:44:17,883 --> 00:44:22,643 Accounts of the town officials sounds a bit dull. 714 00:44:22,643 --> 00:44:24,003 LUCY CHUCKLES 715 00:44:24,003 --> 00:44:26,563 Yes, it does, if you... 716 00:44:26,563 --> 00:44:29,363 if you don't realise what's going on. 717 00:44:29,363 --> 00:44:32,323 And what's going on in Forfar at that time 718 00:44:32,323 --> 00:44:35,003 is a witch-hunt that's been described as 719 00:44:35,003 --> 00:44:37,083 being like no other in Scotland. 720 00:44:37,083 --> 00:44:39,163 And when you follow the money, 721 00:44:39,163 --> 00:44:41,243 you find some really interesting things. 722 00:44:42,563 --> 00:44:46,363 OK, on the first page, the first section 723 00:44:46,363 --> 00:44:49,123 that you examine here of Girsell Simpson. 724 00:44:49,123 --> 00:44:51,003 She was a suspected witch. 725 00:44:51,003 --> 00:44:56,363 But she was arrested and she was put in the tollbooth. 726 00:44:56,363 --> 00:44:59,803 It says - An item to Andrew Taylor 727 00:44:59,803 --> 00:45:02,723 foreclosing of the high tollbooth yay time, 728 00:45:02,723 --> 00:45:05,083 that Girsell Simpson was therein 729 00:45:05,083 --> 00:45:07,763 and foretaking down of them again. 730 00:45:07,763 --> 00:45:11,483 Oh! So, when the suspected witch was in the prison, 731 00:45:11,483 --> 00:45:13,483 they closed up the windows... Yep. 732 00:45:13,483 --> 00:45:16,203 ..and then, when she had been executed, 733 00:45:16,203 --> 00:45:18,643 they opened up the windows again. That's right. 734 00:45:18,643 --> 00:45:22,003 And that would be to keep her in the dark? 735 00:45:22,003 --> 00:45:24,043 Well, it's the devil, and you don't want the devil 736 00:45:24,043 --> 00:45:26,403 cursing the people in the street when they walk by. Wow! 737 00:45:26,403 --> 00:45:28,083 Oh, look at this! 738 00:45:28,083 --> 00:45:32,683 For the making of two pairs of stocks for the witches. Oh, yes. 739 00:45:32,683 --> 00:45:34,603 The stocks are really interesting, 740 00:45:34,603 --> 00:45:37,163 cos stocks sound like they're quite innocent. 741 00:45:37,163 --> 00:45:39,963 You know, we have images of people in stocks outside. 742 00:45:39,963 --> 00:45:42,483 Being hung up like this and people throw eggs at them. Yeah. 743 00:45:42,483 --> 00:45:44,043 That's not what's happening here. 744 00:45:44,043 --> 00:45:48,403 In Scotland at the time, stocks were used on the accused witches 745 00:45:48,403 --> 00:45:50,043 as a form of torture. 746 00:45:50,043 --> 00:45:55,163 It says here that candles are bought for those who did watch 747 00:45:55,163 --> 00:45:57,523 Girsell Simpson, who's the suspected witch. 748 00:45:57,523 --> 00:46:00,043 What does that mean, to watch her, do you think? 749 00:46:00,043 --> 00:46:02,123 Watching usually comes with waking. 750 00:46:02,123 --> 00:46:05,763 So watching and waking was a form of torture in itself. 751 00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,323 It's sleep deprivation. 752 00:46:07,323 --> 00:46:10,323 Later on, we'll see that there... 753 00:46:10,323 --> 00:46:13,123 ..there are other prisoners in. They're male prisoners, 754 00:46:13,123 --> 00:46:15,843 and they're murderers, and they're not being watched. 755 00:46:15,843 --> 00:46:18,683 There's no candles being paid for for them. 756 00:46:18,683 --> 00:46:22,723 Mm! So, the suspected witch is treated worse than the murderers? 757 00:46:22,723 --> 00:46:24,723 Yes. Wow! Absolutely. 758 00:46:24,723 --> 00:46:27,403 These women, they're a danger 759 00:46:27,403 --> 00:46:30,523 because they endangered the whole of society. 760 00:46:30,523 --> 00:46:34,083 Yeah. They put the idea of the godly society at risk. 761 00:46:35,403 --> 00:46:39,123 If you go down to 13th September... Yes. 762 00:46:39,123 --> 00:46:43,243 ..John Kincaid and David Cowan come to Forfar. 763 00:46:43,243 --> 00:46:45,883 So John Kincaid is the famous witch-pricker. 764 00:46:46,923 --> 00:46:49,283 The witch-pricker. Yeah. 765 00:46:49,283 --> 00:46:53,323 That's a very resonant phrase. What exactly does that mean? 766 00:46:53,323 --> 00:46:56,483 Well, they pay for two...trois preens for him. 767 00:46:56,483 --> 00:47:01,763 Here it is. This...this is the purchase of two preens 768 00:47:01,763 --> 00:47:04,123 for the pricking of Catherine Porter. 769 00:47:04,123 --> 00:47:05,923 Preens are pins. 770 00:47:05,923 --> 00:47:10,523 They're made of iron and they're usually about three inches long. 771 00:47:10,523 --> 00:47:13,003 Or some people would say... Three inches? Yeah. 772 00:47:13,003 --> 00:47:16,323 Oh, not tiny little dressmaking pins, big...? Big pins. 773 00:47:16,323 --> 00:47:20,123 And what ex...? Why...why do they want to stick these pins 774 00:47:20,123 --> 00:47:21,843 into the suspected witch? 775 00:47:21,843 --> 00:47:23,603 They're trying to find the devil's mark. 776 00:47:23,603 --> 00:47:26,323 What's that? It was usually thought to be a blue mark. 777 00:47:26,323 --> 00:47:29,523 It could be a mole, it could be an extra nipple, it could be scars. 778 00:47:29,523 --> 00:47:33,443 Anything that they thought was unusual on a woman's body 779 00:47:33,443 --> 00:47:36,523 that doesn't respond to pain or it doesn't bleed. 780 00:47:36,523 --> 00:47:38,683 That was evidence, pure and simple, 781 00:47:38,683 --> 00:47:41,363 that you had convened with the devil. 782 00:47:41,363 --> 00:47:45,443 So what they would do was, they would...they would shave the woman, 783 00:47:45,443 --> 00:47:47,563 they would shave all her hair, 784 00:47:47,563 --> 00:47:50,123 and they would... She would be naked. 785 00:47:50,123 --> 00:47:53,763 She's in front of a panel of men. 786 00:47:53,763 --> 00:47:59,563 She's having these pins stuck in all over her body. 787 00:47:59,563 --> 00:48:02,363 And they would prick people for hours. 788 00:48:02,363 --> 00:48:05,243 There's mention in one of the Privy Council documents 789 00:48:05,243 --> 00:48:08,363 of a woman dying from witch-pricking. 790 00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:10,883 It's...it's a really... 791 00:48:10,883 --> 00:48:14,763 It's...it's a horrible psychosexual form of torture. Absolutely. 792 00:48:14,763 --> 00:48:18,083 What really shocks me, Judith, is that the evidence is here. 793 00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:20,763 That they've recorded it for us to see. Indeed. 794 00:48:20,763 --> 00:48:23,043 When I read these treasurers' accounts, 795 00:48:23,043 --> 00:48:25,203 and I've read them many times, 796 00:48:25,203 --> 00:48:29,323 the hairs never cease to stand up on the back of my neck. Um... 797 00:48:29,323 --> 00:48:33,363 And I think, how could they have treated people like this? 798 00:48:33,363 --> 00:48:36,003 And then, you have to remember what they had in their mind. 799 00:48:36,003 --> 00:48:39,083 And in their mind, they were absolutely convinced 800 00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:40,923 that they were not people. 801 00:48:40,923 --> 00:48:43,243 You know... They were devils. Yeah. Inhuman. 802 00:48:43,243 --> 00:48:44,643 They are the devil. 803 00:48:44,643 --> 00:48:48,563 How long have you been trawling through all of these records, Judith? 804 00:48:48,563 --> 00:48:50,803 About ten years. Oh, wow! 805 00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:52,603 At least ten years. 806 00:48:52,603 --> 00:48:56,123 And what...what motivates you to do this? 807 00:48:56,123 --> 00:48:58,403 Well, erm... 808 00:48:58,403 --> 00:49:00,603 ..one, it's just so incredibly interesting, 809 00:49:00,603 --> 00:49:04,323 and two, there's the real sense of injustice. 810 00:49:07,883 --> 00:49:12,443 Judith's research shows how the authorities devised a system 811 00:49:12,443 --> 00:49:15,203 for rooting-out witches. 812 00:49:15,203 --> 00:49:20,203 Torture was an acceptable means to elicit a confession. 813 00:49:20,203 --> 00:49:24,403 And the so-called devil's mark, which wasn't too hard to find, 814 00:49:24,403 --> 00:49:26,483 provided undeniable proof. 815 00:49:27,603 --> 00:49:29,443 Under this kind of duress, 816 00:49:29,443 --> 00:49:33,723 in December 1590, Agnes made her confession. 817 00:49:37,443 --> 00:49:41,403 Remarkably, the National Records of Scotland holds an account 818 00:49:41,403 --> 00:49:46,323 of what was said during Agnes' actual interrogation. 819 00:49:46,323 --> 00:49:49,923 It also offers clues as to why Agnes' case 820 00:49:49,923 --> 00:49:53,443 triggered a craze for witch-hunts across the country. 821 00:49:55,043 --> 00:49:56,923 Is this word-for-word, then? 822 00:49:56,923 --> 00:49:59,203 Was there someone in the room making notes? 823 00:49:59,203 --> 00:50:00,683 How was it put together? 824 00:50:00,683 --> 00:50:02,603 This has been written up afterwards. 825 00:50:02,603 --> 00:50:05,323 There was probably a scribe in the room at the time 826 00:50:05,323 --> 00:50:07,363 jotting down a few things, 827 00:50:07,363 --> 00:50:11,123 but this isn't a transcript of her actual words, 828 00:50:11,123 --> 00:50:13,923 this is a summary in the third person. 829 00:50:13,923 --> 00:50:16,283 You know...you know, "She confessed that... 830 00:50:16,283 --> 00:50:18,043 "She denied that..." 831 00:50:18,043 --> 00:50:20,083 Um...and so on. 832 00:50:20,083 --> 00:50:23,163 And we see breaks in the document, where, 833 00:50:23,163 --> 00:50:26,723 perhaps she was tortured. It's hard to tell. 834 00:50:26,723 --> 00:50:29,003 We do know in general terms that she was tortured. 835 00:50:29,003 --> 00:50:32,443 And we can see this text as a kind of negotiation, 836 00:50:32,443 --> 00:50:35,763 because Agnes probably didn't know anything about those storms at the time, 837 00:50:35,763 --> 00:50:37,563 but they're asking her about it, 838 00:50:37,563 --> 00:50:40,203 so she knows she can't just remain silent, 839 00:50:40,203 --> 00:50:43,203 she has to tell a story, otherwise she'll get tortured more. 840 00:50:43,203 --> 00:50:45,363 Do you think that the interrogators were asking 841 00:50:45,363 --> 00:50:48,403 what we might call leading questions to get a particular answer? 842 00:50:48,403 --> 00:50:51,843 Oh, undoubtedly, yes. You know, "Tell us about when you met the devil". 843 00:50:51,843 --> 00:50:54,643 And, "How does one worship the devil?" 844 00:50:54,643 --> 00:50:59,243 And so, one of the things that witches do 845 00:50:59,243 --> 00:51:03,883 is that they kiss the devil's arse. 846 00:51:03,883 --> 00:51:07,483 That is... Does it say that in her confession? Yes. 847 00:51:07,483 --> 00:51:10,483 Before they departed, they all kissed his arse. 848 00:51:10,483 --> 00:51:14,403 That almost certainly comes from a leading question from somebody 849 00:51:14,403 --> 00:51:17,643 who has come across the European learned idea 850 00:51:17,643 --> 00:51:19,603 of how witches worship the devil. 851 00:51:19,603 --> 00:51:21,443 And Agnes has been made to say it. 852 00:51:21,443 --> 00:51:24,963 If people torture you enough, you do get so confused 853 00:51:24,963 --> 00:51:27,243 that you lose confidence in your own memory 854 00:51:27,243 --> 00:51:30,603 and you start thinking, "The interrogators are right 855 00:51:30,603 --> 00:51:32,883 "and perhaps I am a witch after all". 856 00:51:32,883 --> 00:51:34,723 That's awful. They're breaking her body 857 00:51:34,723 --> 00:51:37,243 but also her mind at the same time. Yeah, I'm afraid so. Yeah. 858 00:51:37,243 --> 00:51:39,243 It seems to me that they're fitting her up. 859 00:51:39,243 --> 00:51:42,203 You certainly could say that. I mean, they're doing it unwittingly. 860 00:51:42,203 --> 00:51:44,523 They're terrifyingly sincere, these guys. 861 00:51:44,523 --> 00:51:46,643 You know, they think they're getting the truth. 862 00:51:46,643 --> 00:51:49,803 They are trying to save themselves and everybody 863 00:51:49,803 --> 00:51:52,243 from the terrifying power of the devil. 864 00:51:52,243 --> 00:51:54,923 And, you know, it...it certainly, 865 00:51:54,923 --> 00:51:57,243 by this time, has become a conspiracy. 866 00:51:57,243 --> 00:52:00,163 They...they think it isn't just one witch, you know, 867 00:52:00,163 --> 00:52:01,963 it's a group who has done this. 868 00:52:01,963 --> 00:52:07,563 And this is what the elite understand that witches will do. 869 00:52:07,563 --> 00:52:09,083 They will gather in groups. 870 00:52:09,083 --> 00:52:13,323 So they're asking Agnes, you know, "Who else was there?" 871 00:52:13,323 --> 00:52:17,483 Whether these were names that she gave, or names that were fed to her 872 00:52:17,483 --> 00:52:20,803 and then she repeated, you can't always tell. 873 00:52:20,803 --> 00:52:23,403 You ask for names of accomplices 874 00:52:23,403 --> 00:52:25,363 and you get a sort of snowball effect. 875 00:52:25,363 --> 00:52:29,283 And once you've got one witch, you can then go to another and another and another 876 00:52:29,283 --> 00:52:32,523 and, you know, the snowball can go on getting larger 877 00:52:32,523 --> 00:52:34,043 until everyone's sick of it. 878 00:52:34,043 --> 00:52:37,123 How many people eventually get pulled into the whole thing? 879 00:52:37,123 --> 00:52:41,803 How many people, ultimately, is one of the very difficult questions to answer. 880 00:52:41,803 --> 00:52:44,803 Almost certainly dozens, probably hundreds. 881 00:52:44,803 --> 00:52:47,243 But, you know, many of the records have disappeared. 882 00:52:47,243 --> 00:52:50,643 It's very hard to put numbers on it, for that reason. 883 00:52:50,643 --> 00:52:55,043 Julian, why is the North Berwick witch-hunt, in particular, so important? 884 00:52:55,043 --> 00:52:58,843 There have been earlier trials with individual witches, 885 00:52:58,843 --> 00:53:02,243 but they never get into large numbers. 886 00:53:02,243 --> 00:53:04,403 They don't manage to interrogate them properly 887 00:53:04,403 --> 00:53:06,163 and it all fizzles out. 888 00:53:06,163 --> 00:53:09,083 This is the first big, successful one 889 00:53:09,083 --> 00:53:13,003 where we see the witch-hunters really working out how to do it. 890 00:53:13,003 --> 00:53:15,203 So this provides a sort of blueprint 891 00:53:15,203 --> 00:53:18,843 for how to have what you might call a successful witchcraft panic 892 00:53:18,843 --> 00:53:21,683 that actually leads to large numbers of executions. 893 00:53:21,683 --> 00:53:25,643 And versions of that then get repeated time and again 894 00:53:25,643 --> 00:53:28,363 over the next 100 years or so in Scotland. 895 00:53:28,363 --> 00:53:30,003 SOMBRE STRING RECITAL 896 00:53:33,563 --> 00:53:38,243 What's so horrifying is that clearly, if you torture someone, 897 00:53:38,243 --> 00:53:41,083 they'll say anything to make it stop. 898 00:53:41,083 --> 00:53:44,723 It's this that made Agnes into a witch. 899 00:53:46,403 --> 00:53:49,203 And, in a final tragic irony, 900 00:53:49,203 --> 00:53:52,523 offer up the names of 59 other people, too, 901 00:53:52,523 --> 00:53:55,443 who'd go on to face the same fate. 902 00:53:56,563 --> 00:53:58,083 But here's the problem - 903 00:53:58,083 --> 00:54:02,723 she's now officially confessed to causing storms 904 00:54:02,723 --> 00:54:05,003 and to conspiring to kill the king. 905 00:54:10,443 --> 00:54:13,603 Six weeks after her confession, 906 00:54:13,603 --> 00:54:15,763 Agnes was put on trial in Edinburgh. 907 00:54:17,603 --> 00:54:21,483 The building Agnes' trial took place in stood right here. 908 00:54:21,483 --> 00:54:24,843 It was in the shadow of the great cathedral. 909 00:54:24,843 --> 00:54:29,723 She would have been the only woman in a courtroom full of men. 910 00:54:29,723 --> 00:54:31,763 The trial took one day, 911 00:54:31,763 --> 00:54:34,003 and the verdict was guilty. 912 00:54:39,883 --> 00:54:44,723 The following day, 28th January, 1591, 913 00:54:44,723 --> 00:54:47,563 Agnes was brought here, to Castlehill. 914 00:54:49,923 --> 00:54:53,443 She was to be strangled and burnt at the stake. 915 00:54:53,443 --> 00:54:57,883 A sentence reserved only for the most dangerous of heretics. 916 00:54:59,563 --> 00:55:04,763 I can't begin to imagine how petrified she must have felt 917 00:55:04,763 --> 00:55:09,163 as she was being brought here, knowing what was going to happen. 918 00:55:09,163 --> 00:55:10,603 RAVEN CROAKS 919 00:55:21,643 --> 00:55:23,163 WIND WHISTLES 920 00:55:24,363 --> 00:55:29,283 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, 921 00:55:29,283 --> 00:55:32,123 nor standeth in the way of sinners, 922 00:55:32,123 --> 00:55:36,363 nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 923 00:55:36,363 --> 00:55:39,883 But his delight is in the law of the Lord, 924 00:55:39,883 --> 00:55:45,043 and his law doth he meditate day and night. 925 00:55:46,603 --> 00:55:49,363 In this moment, religious zeal, 926 00:55:49,363 --> 00:55:52,483 fear of the devil, and an ambitious king 927 00:55:52,483 --> 00:55:57,003 had collided to create a system of persecution, 928 00:55:57,003 --> 00:55:59,723 from which there was no escape. 929 00:56:01,123 --> 00:56:06,003 And Agnes Sampson paid the ultimate price. 930 00:56:16,243 --> 00:56:19,003 This event, it makes me angry. 931 00:56:19,003 --> 00:56:24,803 It seems like a terrible, tragic miscarriage of justice. 932 00:56:24,803 --> 00:56:27,243 This is a woman who tried to help people, 933 00:56:27,243 --> 00:56:29,843 but who ended up being punished for it. 934 00:56:36,483 --> 00:56:41,483 Agnes' case set the blueprint for a century of witch-hunts. 935 00:56:43,003 --> 00:56:47,683 Soon after her death, the Scottish King became James I of England, 936 00:56:47,683 --> 00:56:51,603 and extended the English witchcraft laws, 937 00:56:51,603 --> 00:56:54,923 leading to witch-hunts south of the border, too. 938 00:56:54,923 --> 00:56:58,443 But it was Scotland that would have one of the highest rates 939 00:56:58,443 --> 00:57:00,923 of witch-killing anywhere in Europe. 940 00:57:00,923 --> 00:57:04,603 In total, 2,500 people would be executed, 941 00:57:04,603 --> 00:57:07,483 the vast majority, women. 942 00:57:07,483 --> 00:57:09,163 These were mothers, 943 00:57:09,163 --> 00:57:11,403 sisters, daughters. 944 00:57:13,883 --> 00:57:17,923 And imagine what it was like for other women in this society. 945 00:57:17,923 --> 00:57:22,363 The fear they must have felt that they could be next. 946 00:57:24,643 --> 00:57:28,843 The only national monument to the thousands killed 947 00:57:28,843 --> 00:57:33,083 is this small drinking fountain, known as the Witches' Well. 948 00:57:33,083 --> 00:57:37,283 But a campaign is now under way for a more significant memorial 949 00:57:37,283 --> 00:57:39,923 and an official pardon. 950 00:57:40,923 --> 00:57:42,723 It's hard to know what to do 951 00:57:42,723 --> 00:57:46,603 with these dark chapters from our past. 952 00:57:46,603 --> 00:57:49,643 It seems to me there's a double injustice 953 00:57:49,643 --> 00:57:52,043 for the women caught up in the witch-hunts. 954 00:57:52,043 --> 00:57:53,883 They were wrongly convicted, 955 00:57:53,883 --> 00:57:56,963 but on top of that, their stories have been forgotten. 956 00:57:56,963 --> 00:58:00,843 They've been buried under a pile of stereotypes. 957 00:58:00,843 --> 00:58:05,003 Now is the time to restore the voices of women 958 00:58:05,003 --> 00:58:07,003 like Agnes Sampson... 959 00:58:08,203 --> 00:58:10,403 ..and to make sure they're heard. 960 00:58:13,003 --> 00:58:15,603 How did a catastrophic plague 961 00:58:15,603 --> 00:58:20,083 that wiped out around half the population change Britain? 962 00:58:20,083 --> 00:58:22,883 I am tempted to think that these 11 men thought, 963 00:58:22,883 --> 00:58:24,923 "Right, the plague is coming, 964 00:58:24,923 --> 00:58:27,963 "we're jolly well not going to go to work, we're going to go to the pub. 965 00:58:27,963 --> 00:58:30,923 "Because tomorrow, we die". 106679

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