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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:05,625 --> 00:00:09,125 ♪dramatic synth drone♪ 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:19,667 --> 00:00:23,000 The entire Ron Artest story is the story of America. 5 00:00:23,082 --> 00:00:27,917 It is the story of endless possibility and endless... 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,750 ability to recover from complete failure. 7 00:00:33,834 --> 00:00:38,834 And that is the ultimate test of humanity. 8 00:00:38,917 --> 00:00:44,375 And Ron Artest, wow, who would have ever thought? 9 00:00:44,457 --> 00:00:46,582 This is like a movie. 10 00:00:48,917 --> 00:00:50,457 [Kobe] The only time I had ever had to have a conversation 11 00:00:50,542 --> 00:00:54,290 with Metta World Peace was we got finished playing the game. 12 00:00:54,375 --> 00:00:57,417 He wasn't as physical as he normally is. 13 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:01,125 So after the game, I'm out at dinner and I'm eating, 14 00:01:01,207 --> 00:01:04,082 and Metta comes walking in. 15 00:01:04,165 --> 00:01:06,667 And I said -- I said, "Metta!" He comes over and I said, 16 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:08,290 "Wh-- What's...Where's the physicality? 17 00:01:08,375 --> 00:01:10,834 Where's the -- the toughness?" He was like, "Oh, man. 18 00:01:10,917 --> 00:01:13,250 You know, I'm not trying to, you know, upset anybody 19 00:01:13,332 --> 00:01:15,417 or do anything like this, you know?" I said, "Your name 20 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:16,457 is Metta World Peace, right?" 21 00:01:16,542 --> 00:01:18,165 He said, "Yeah." I said, "How do you think peace 22 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:21,125 is accomplished?" He goes, "I don't know." 23 00:01:21,207 --> 00:01:24,834 I said, "Through war. [laughs] 24 00:01:24,917 --> 00:01:29,250 Win the war and then you have peace. Got it? All right." 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,250 [announcer] Final minute of the season 26 00:01:34,332 --> 00:01:36,500 for the Indiana Pacers. 27 00:01:36,582 --> 00:01:39,417 The Celtics have ... of the Pacers... 28 00:01:41,165 --> 00:01:44,000 The Celtics advance to the second round. 29 00:01:44,082 --> 00:01:45,207 You're not gonna do anything. 30 00:01:45,290 --> 00:01:47,667 -Come on, my nigga! -Get the fucking security! 31 00:01:47,750 --> 00:01:49,250 Get your motherfucking security right now! 32 00:01:54,207 --> 00:01:57,875 [man] It was like a tornado Or a hurricane. 33 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,290 And that was Ron. He'd be quiet before the storm, 34 00:02:01,375 --> 00:02:03,332 and then he'd be quiet after the storm. 35 00:02:03,417 --> 00:02:07,542 [man] Ronnie seemed to go from one to 100 real quick. 36 00:02:07,625 --> 00:02:11,040 You know, you weren't gonna get a lot of warning. 37 00:02:11,125 --> 00:02:13,709 [man] I never questioned Ron's ability. Never. 38 00:02:13,792 --> 00:02:17,332 Where he was mentally. Every single day, I questioned. 39 00:02:17,417 --> 00:02:18,792 [man] I always remember somebody telling me, 40 00:02:18,875 --> 00:02:21,417 "This would be the last guy you'd wanna fight." 41 00:02:24,417 --> 00:02:26,375 [commentator] Artest is in the stands! 42 00:02:26,457 --> 00:02:28,375 Oh, this is awful. Fans are getting involved. 43 00:02:28,457 --> 00:02:31,500 When Ron-Ron ran in the stands, like, I was just, aww, 44 00:02:31,582 --> 00:02:33,375 just... 45 00:02:33,457 --> 00:02:35,040 [commentator] This is a disgrace. 46 00:02:35,125 --> 00:02:37,457 Because that is Queensbridge 47 00:02:39,457 --> 00:02:41,457 ♪"Quiet Storm (Remix)" by Mobb Deep♪ 48 00:02:45,542 --> 00:02:47,082 [thunder rumbling] 49 00:02:57,207 --> 00:02:59,750 ♪It's the real 50 00:03:01,332 --> 00:03:02,290 ♪Hip-hop hip-hop♪ 51 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:16,542 [Donnie] Ron's helped a lot of people revealing his 52 00:03:16,625 --> 00:03:19,082 demons. 53 00:03:19,165 --> 00:03:21,500 His disease. 54 00:03:21,582 --> 00:03:24,332 ♪"Life's a Bitch" by Nas 55 00:03:24,417 --> 00:03:27,250 ♪Life's a bitch and then you die, that's why we puff lye♪ 56 00:03:27,332 --> 00:03:29,375 ♪'Cause you never know when you're gonna go♪ 57 00:03:29,457 --> 00:03:33,000 ♪Life's a bitch and then you die, that's why we get high...♪ 58 00:03:33,082 --> 00:03:35,792 [officer] Police, open up! We've got a warrant. 59 00:03:35,875 --> 00:03:37,375 Police, open the door! 60 00:03:39,457 --> 00:03:42,834 ♪Life's a bitch and then you die♪ 61 00:03:42,917 --> 00:03:46,040 The idea of a criminal enterprise in New York 62 00:03:46,125 --> 00:03:48,917 had been basically limited to the mafia. 63 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,207 It was contained. Bad people, you know, 64 00:03:52,290 --> 00:03:54,792 doing bad things to other bad people. 65 00:03:54,875 --> 00:03:57,959 And then crack came. 66 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,375 [VO] Crack, the most addictive form of cocaine, 67 00:04:00,457 --> 00:04:01,457 is now sweeping New York. 68 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:07,165 [Mark] And it completely democratized the idea 69 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:10,417 of what an illicit enterprise was. So instead of having 70 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:14,834 to be initiated into some secret society, 71 00:04:14,917 --> 00:04:19,625 all of a sudden, all you needed was baking soda, 72 00:04:19,709 --> 00:04:22,917 coke, a microwave, and a 9mm. 73 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,457 You were in business, you were a gangster. 74 00:04:26,542 --> 00:04:27,667 [man] Federal drug enforcement agents have been saying 75 00:04:27,750 --> 00:04:31,792 for a long time that the crack situation in New York 76 00:04:31,875 --> 00:04:34,040 is out-of-control. 77 00:04:34,125 --> 00:04:36,290 [Fredro] That was the home of guys like the Supreme Team. 78 00:04:36,375 --> 00:04:38,000 You know, those were the guys when I was 79 00:04:38,082 --> 00:04:40,250 comin' up in Queens. 80 00:04:40,332 --> 00:04:42,667 When crack hit, it was a way out for some, 81 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:45,250 and then for some people, it was a way to hell, 82 00:04:45,332 --> 00:04:47,500 you know what I'm sayin'? Because you might sell crack 83 00:04:47,582 --> 00:04:49,917 to your uncle, to your aunt, to your mother. 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,040 Like, that's how the epidemic hit. 85 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:55,207 A lot of people got killed. 86 00:04:55,290 --> 00:04:57,709 Crack affected a lot of people around me, 87 00:04:57,792 --> 00:04:59,917 a lot of family members. 88 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,290 [boy cries] 89 00:05:02,375 --> 00:05:05,040 [crying] Don't take my mother, please! 90 00:05:05,125 --> 00:05:09,125 [Mark] It destroyed families, it destroyed countless lives. 91 00:05:09,208 --> 00:05:13,040 And it was an incessant level of violence which you had 92 00:05:13,125 --> 00:05:18,792 in those days in New York, was the normalization of violence. 93 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:22,709 [Mr. Cheeks] One night back in the late 80s, you know, 94 00:05:22,792 --> 00:05:24,875 my man got killed right in front of me. 95 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:26,207 At the corner store, we were usually around the corner, 96 00:05:26,290 --> 00:05:29,709 and the dude shot him and... 97 00:05:29,792 --> 00:05:32,332 That was something that I wouldn't... 98 00:05:32,417 --> 00:05:36,125 I mean, I'm thinking about it everyday. 99 00:05:36,207 --> 00:05:38,417 Everything was for crack. You know, everything was about 100 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:42,792 hustling. The crime levels just shot up. 101 00:05:42,875 --> 00:05:45,582 If you disrespected somebody and, you know, 102 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,542 a guy might be a hustler or whatever 103 00:05:48,625 --> 00:05:52,417 and you come up short, you might get shot in the ass. 104 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:54,625 [Havoc] Queensbridge was one of the grimiest places 105 00:05:54,709 --> 00:05:56,582 that you could grow up in. 106 00:05:56,667 --> 00:05:58,792 And you could ask anybody from anywhere else, 107 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:00,959 from any other borough that ever came out there 108 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,000 and they'll let you know, like, "Yeah. 109 00:06:02,083 --> 00:06:03,250 Queensbridge is crazy." 110 00:06:03,333 --> 00:06:07,040 It reflected in everything that we did, whether it was 111 00:06:07,125 --> 00:06:08,916 you know, the music that we was writing 112 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,583 to the ball that we was playing on the block 113 00:06:11,666 --> 00:06:13,916 or, you know, how we acted in school. 114 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,125 You know, we -- we took Queensbridge with us. 115 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:17,625 We wore it with pride. 116 00:06:17,709 --> 00:06:20,290 Just the whole atmosphere just -- It really -- 117 00:06:20,375 --> 00:06:23,082 It just brought out the beast in us. 118 00:06:25,875 --> 00:06:29,165 It was the first time in New York... 119 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:31,625 that... 120 00:06:31,709 --> 00:06:35,667 Queens took the front pages for crime. 121 00:06:36,709 --> 00:06:42,250 Queens was where cops were being assassinated. 122 00:06:42,332 --> 00:06:44,625 [man] Four young men accused of executing 123 00:06:44,709 --> 00:06:47,792 rookie cop Edward Burn. He was gunned down while guarding 124 00:06:47,875 --> 00:06:50,457 a witness in a drug case. It happened in Jamaica, Queens. 125 00:06:50,542 --> 00:06:53,290 The same neighborhood where three 126 00:06:53,375 --> 00:06:54,332 of the four suspects... 127 00:06:54,417 --> 00:06:57,457 [Mark] Queens was where the most notorious 128 00:06:57,542 --> 00:07:01,959 kingpin crack dealers held court. 129 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:05,000 They controlled everything. 130 00:07:05,083 --> 00:07:08,541 Basketball and the violent life of New York 131 00:07:08,625 --> 00:07:10,500 became enmeshed. 132 00:07:10,583 --> 00:07:12,791 Your mother would tell you, "When the lights get down, 133 00:07:12,875 --> 00:07:14,834 you know, I don't care who's playing. Bring your ass home," 134 00:07:14,916 --> 00:07:18,500 'cause nine times out of ten, they was gonna start shooting. 135 00:07:18,582 --> 00:07:19,875 [man] Six blocks and 96 buildings. 136 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:23,500 The Queensbridge Houses is the largest housing development 137 00:07:23,582 --> 00:07:26,959 in North America, and for years, its reputation sullied 138 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,457 by gang violence and shootings. 139 00:07:29,542 --> 00:07:30,667 Queensbridge, if you can imagine the, um... 140 00:07:30,750 --> 00:07:35,667 [inhales deeply] ...the poverty because of people 141 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:38,500 living, um, in low-income circumstances, 142 00:07:38,582 --> 00:07:40,667 like, living on top of each other. 143 00:07:43,417 --> 00:07:44,582 [N.O.R.E.] You could live in Queensbridge 144 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:48,125 and go to a certain part of Astoria that is beautiful. 145 00:07:48,207 --> 00:07:52,709 But you can also turn the wrong corner and you will die. 146 00:07:52,792 --> 00:07:56,375 This is the part that people don't understand. 147 00:08:01,583 --> 00:08:03,666 Queensbridge is divided by North side and South side. 148 00:08:03,750 --> 00:08:06,875 And each side is composed of three blocks. 149 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:08,666 You got 12th Street, 10th Street, and Vernon 150 00:08:08,750 --> 00:08:12,250 to make up the North side. Then on the South side, 151 00:08:12,333 --> 00:08:14,834 you've got 12th Street, 10th Street, and Vernon, 152 00:08:14,916 --> 00:08:15,916 and it's separated like that. 153 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,082 Ron grew up on 10th Street. grew up directly 154 00:08:18,165 --> 00:08:19,625 across from me. 155 00:08:22,667 --> 00:08:26,082 [Ron] That was my original apartment. 156 00:08:26,165 --> 00:08:30,040 And that's the apartment I -- I had the most memories of 157 00:08:30,125 --> 00:08:32,000 as a child. 158 00:08:32,917 --> 00:08:37,207 And, um... [chuckles] 159 00:08:37,290 --> 00:08:41,207 That kind of welcomed me to Queensbridge. 160 00:08:41,290 --> 00:08:46,082 Fun times, you know, bad times. 161 00:08:46,165 --> 00:08:48,709 Father and mother fought a lot in that house. 162 00:08:48,792 --> 00:08:53,082 Obviously, a man should never hit a woman, right? 163 00:08:53,165 --> 00:08:56,125 But they would fight. They hit each other. 164 00:08:56,207 --> 00:08:59,457 It was times where, you know, police would come 165 00:08:59,542 --> 00:09:02,750 and my parents, they tell each side of the story, 166 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:06,375 and they're back in bed with each other. 167 00:09:07,082 --> 00:09:10,457 As a child, when you see the first argument, 168 00:09:10,542 --> 00:09:12,291 it's very shocking. 169 00:09:12,375 --> 00:09:14,207 You're just like, "What happened?" 170 00:09:14,291 --> 00:09:16,542 And then as it continuously happens, 171 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:18,582 and then all you want is the best for both parents. 172 00:09:18,667 --> 00:09:21,125 I really never took sides when my parents would 173 00:09:21,207 --> 00:09:25,041 argue or fight. 174 00:09:25,125 --> 00:09:28,792 I was just like, "Can this be over already?" 175 00:09:28,875 --> 00:09:32,417 He was, like, eight years old the the summer of 1988 176 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:33,125 and me and his mother were separated 177 00:09:33,207 --> 00:09:35,417 at that time. 178 00:09:36,125 --> 00:09:38,457 I remember my dad coming to 41-08 179 00:09:38,542 --> 00:09:41,082 telling me he's never coming back. [chuckles] 180 00:09:41,165 --> 00:09:42,290 And I was like, "Are you ever gonna come 181 00:09:42,375 --> 00:09:43,834 back to see us?" 182 00:09:45,375 --> 00:09:46,834 [Ron Sr.] I did stay close by. 183 00:09:46,917 --> 00:09:48,709 Close by. I saw him everyday, uh, 184 00:09:48,792 --> 00:09:50,834 as long as we were separated. 185 00:09:50,917 --> 00:09:51,417 It helped -- it helped him set 186 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:52,875 on the right track. 187 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:56,667 [Ron] A lot of that stuff really scarred me. 188 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:59,332 And then I alw-- I always walked around 189 00:09:59,417 --> 00:10:00,833 with this chip, you know, on -- 190 00:10:00,917 --> 00:10:02,500 on my shoulder. 191 00:10:14,708 --> 00:10:15,542 I just couldn't get over the fact that 192 00:10:15,625 --> 00:10:18,082 my parents and mom were separated. 193 00:10:18,958 --> 00:10:23,207 At school, he was having difficulty with anxiety problems 194 00:10:23,291 --> 00:10:26,082 the way he was feeling after the separation. 195 00:10:26,166 --> 00:10:27,166 And he would get in trouble a lot. 196 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:29,667 [Ron] I was suspended every year for fighting. 197 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:32,750 Kindergarten, first grade, second grade, every grade. 198 00:10:32,834 --> 00:10:33,917 All fighting. 199 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,417 It was probably the dumbest reasons, quite honestly 200 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:37,250 It was, um... 201 00:10:37,332 --> 00:10:39,625 Somebody'd say something, somebody'd brush you, 202 00:10:39,709 --> 00:10:42,207 skip in front of the lunch line. [laughs] 203 00:10:42,290 --> 00:10:43,709 All that type of stuff. 204 00:10:43,792 --> 00:10:45,709 I had to get after him a few times. 205 00:10:45,792 --> 00:10:47,875 You know, the old-school discipline way. 206 00:10:47,959 --> 00:10:50,457 I never felt nothing wrong with that. 207 00:10:50,542 --> 00:10:52,457 So, uh, I kind of kept him in line a little bit. 208 00:10:53,125 --> 00:10:59,582 My mom sent me to a service that they had counseling 209 00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:01,250 inside one of the apartments. 210 00:11:01,332 --> 00:11:02,875 A free service. 211 00:11:02,958 --> 00:11:05,375 A lot of the kids from the neighborhood was there. 212 00:11:05,457 --> 00:11:08,375 Um, some kids had autism, 213 00:11:08,457 --> 00:11:11,417 some kids had -- was bipolar. 214 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:13,667 Some was on medication. 215 00:11:13,750 --> 00:11:15,332 It was like two of us in there that had, like, 216 00:11:15,417 --> 00:11:18,542 anger problems like me, but the counselor was in there 217 00:11:18,625 --> 00:11:20,332 trying to figure things out. 218 00:11:20,417 --> 00:11:24,082 She used to advise him to take up a sport 219 00:11:24,166 --> 00:11:25,125 and he chose basketball 220 00:11:25,207 --> 00:11:26,291 and that helped him out tremendously 221 00:11:26,375 --> 00:11:28,125 'cause while he was on the court, he'd 222 00:11:28,207 --> 00:11:30,582 channel all his energies to basketball, 223 00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:32,582 and that kind of helped him out a lot. 224 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:36,165 ♪tense music 225 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:44,582 [Capone] Me and Ron's dad always had a close, 226 00:11:44,667 --> 00:11:45,750 close relationship. 227 00:11:45,834 --> 00:11:47,582 You'd see him coming, and he'd be like, 228 00:11:47,667 --> 00:11:48,582 "What's up?" 229 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:49,417 And he'd scare you with his "What's up?" 230 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:51,040 You know what I'm sayin'? 231 00:11:51,125 --> 00:11:51,792 Ron's dad was tough. 232 00:11:51,875 --> 00:11:54,582 When Ron started playing ball 233 00:11:54,667 --> 00:11:56,625 I seen a different side of him. 234 00:11:56,709 --> 00:11:59,290 I seen, like, his toughness wasn't like 235 00:11:59,375 --> 00:12:01,917 an abusive father toughness, but it was 236 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,542 "You gonna make something out yourself" toughness. 237 00:12:04,625 --> 00:12:07,417 [N.O.R.E.] One of my earliest memories of Queensbridge, 238 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:08,250 it's snowing. 239 00:12:08,332 --> 00:12:11,291 And I remember Ron-Ron out there 240 00:12:11,375 --> 00:12:14,958 with his father, and him just running drills on him. 241 00:12:15,041 --> 00:12:17,582 I remember seeing that on 12th Street. 242 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:19,542 On motherfuckin' 12th Street. 243 00:12:19,625 --> 00:12:20,958 That's one of my greatest memories is just 244 00:12:21,041 --> 00:12:24,041 going out there with seeing Havoc, you know, 245 00:12:24,125 --> 00:12:26,457 drinking E&J and falling out. 246 00:12:26,542 --> 00:12:27,500 And Ron-Ron, you know, 247 00:12:27,582 --> 00:12:31,625 playing defense on his pops. 248 00:12:31,708 --> 00:12:33,792 [Havoc] It could be 10 degrees outside, 249 00:12:33,875 --> 00:12:37,000 and they would be the only two outside 250 00:12:37,082 --> 00:12:39,207 on the basketball court playing. 251 00:12:39,290 --> 00:12:41,125 And, you know, his father didn't treat him 252 00:12:41,207 --> 00:12:41,917 like a little kid. 253 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,250 His father used to be like... 254 00:12:43,332 --> 00:12:44,125 You know what I'm sayin'? 255 00:12:44,207 --> 00:12:46,290 Elbowing him, pushing him. 256 00:12:46,375 --> 00:12:49,625 I probably had some hate towards him, 257 00:12:49,709 --> 00:12:50,959 because I would go at him. 258 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:56,207 And he would push me down, not let me score, 259 00:12:56,290 --> 00:12:59,667 be playing one-on-one full-court, 260 00:12:59,750 --> 00:13:02,750 and me and my dad all night. 261 00:13:02,833 --> 00:13:04,582 I think that's why I build my endurance up. 262 00:13:04,667 --> 00:13:07,500 It wasn't scientific, it wasn't planned. 263 00:13:07,582 --> 00:13:09,500 He might feel like that. 264 00:13:09,582 --> 00:13:11,000 Just me out there playing with him 265 00:13:11,082 --> 00:13:12,417 and being a little rough with him. 266 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:13,207 Not dirty, nothing to hurt him, 267 00:13:13,291 --> 00:13:14,792 but just being a little rough 268 00:13:14,875 --> 00:13:17,082 or doing things that they all call a foul 269 00:13:17,166 --> 00:13:18,082 if you did in a game. 270 00:13:18,166 --> 00:13:20,542 At the end of the day, it was nothing that 271 00:13:20,625 --> 00:13:23,500 that was stopping their process. 272 00:13:23,582 --> 00:13:26,041 It was nothing that was stopping Big Ron's focus 273 00:13:26,125 --> 00:13:29,625 on making Ron-Ron the best ball player he could be, 274 00:13:29,708 --> 00:13:31,667 the strongest he can be. 275 00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:34,207 And if shots rang off, cool, 276 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:34,959 they know they ain't getting shot at. 277 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,250 They catch a stray bullet? 278 00:13:37,332 --> 00:13:39,667 Go to the hospital, get taped up, 279 00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:40,332 and come right back out to the court. 280 00:13:40,417 --> 00:13:41,500 That's how it was. 281 00:13:41,582 --> 00:13:43,875 It was like nothing's easy, 282 00:13:43,959 --> 00:13:45,457 and that's how we play it. 283 00:13:45,542 --> 00:13:48,290 I started beating my dad when I was 15. 284 00:13:48,375 --> 00:13:50,165 That's when he couldn't beat me no more. 285 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:51,625 And then when I was able to beat him, I'm like, 286 00:13:51,709 --> 00:13:54,875 "This is how I gotta play [chuckles] to win." 287 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:57,125 [man] That's it. So the bottom line is the win, 288 00:13:57,207 --> 00:13:59,750 - so I'm winning... - Leave the refs alone. 289 00:13:59,834 --> 00:14:01,000 [ man] The bottom line is a win, 290 00:14:01,082 --> 00:14:01,958 and that's what we're tryin' to do on three, win. 291 00:14:02,041 --> 00:14:06,332 [Havoc] The pickup games in Queensbridge, 292 00:14:06,417 --> 00:14:09,875 they was equally as brutal as me watching 293 00:14:09,958 --> 00:14:11,375 Ron and his dad on the court, 294 00:14:11,457 --> 00:14:13,207 if not worse. 295 00:14:13,291 --> 00:14:15,125 When you playin' against dudes, you know, 296 00:14:15,207 --> 00:14:18,082 on a court that's not your family, you know, 297 00:14:18,166 --> 00:14:21,000 you could get an elbow, you could lose a tooth. 298 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:23,917 [Ron] On my block, it was no layups. [laughs] 299 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,792 My block was very intense, you know? 300 00:14:25,875 --> 00:14:26,958 We had a guy named Yammy 301 00:14:27,041 --> 00:14:28,708 and when he would lose, he would bring out his gun. 302 00:14:28,792 --> 00:14:32,250 [chuckles] Really simple. 303 00:14:32,332 --> 00:14:35,417 I remember Lloyd Newton being killed. 304 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,165 He was a idol of ours, 305 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,625 really smart point guard, 306 00:14:37,709 --> 00:14:39,792 tall point guard. 307 00:14:39,875 --> 00:14:41,917 Somebody just pulled a chair leg from a table 308 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,375 and threw it and it went through his heart. 309 00:14:43,457 --> 00:14:46,582 I wasn't there, but when that happened, 310 00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:49,750 it changed the whole complexity of 311 00:14:49,834 --> 00:14:51,542 of neighborhood basketball. 312 00:14:52,375 --> 00:14:56,792 The street culture had come in with the game, 313 00:14:56,875 --> 00:14:58,375 and it had perverted the game, 314 00:14:58,457 --> 00:15:00,582 and -- and it -- it had infected the game 315 00:15:00,667 --> 00:15:02,375 with its violence. 316 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:05,792 As Ron got older, it was either drugs or sports 317 00:15:05,875 --> 00:15:07,000 then, you know what I'm sayin'? 318 00:15:07,082 --> 00:15:10,375 You was either slinging crack or you was playin' ball. 319 00:15:11,207 --> 00:15:14,125 Hustling was something that was very intriguing. 320 00:15:14,207 --> 00:15:17,417 I learned how to cook crack, learned how to cut up 321 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:18,792 the cookies and stuff. 322 00:15:18,875 --> 00:15:21,375 It's like, "A'ight, cool, here we go." 323 00:15:21,457 --> 00:15:23,082 I remember making my first sale. 324 00:15:23,166 --> 00:15:27,457 It was a crackhead 325 00:15:28,792 --> 00:15:32,917 who would always come and buy it from my family. 326 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,165 I remember giving the crackhead the money 327 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:38,000 and just running back in the house. 328 00:15:38,082 --> 00:15:39,082 I didn't even take the money 329 00:15:39,165 --> 00:15:40,500 and my cousin was like, "Yo, where the money at?" 330 00:15:40,582 --> 00:15:43,332 I'm like, "Yo... 331 00:15:43,417 --> 00:15:46,290 I--I--I didn't have time to take the money." 332 00:15:46,959 --> 00:15:48,165 [thunder crashing] 333 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:51,375 I was scared. I was scared to selling -- 334 00:15:51,457 --> 00:15:53,834 to be selling drugs, quite honestly, you know. 335 00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:57,207 I didn't like it, I didn't like feeling, you know? 336 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:59,125 Um, it just was not for me. 337 00:15:59,207 --> 00:16:01,792 It was that simple. I knew right then and there 338 00:16:01,875 --> 00:16:03,917 I was not gonna be a drug dealer. 339 00:16:10,792 --> 00:16:14,250 [thunder rolls] 340 00:16:21,250 --> 00:16:23,750 [N.O.R.E.] KRS made this song called "The Bridge is Over." 341 00:16:23,833 --> 00:16:26,207 ♪The Bridge is over the Bridge is over...♪ 342 00:16:26,291 --> 00:16:27,875 And you wanted to hate every word he said 343 00:16:27,958 --> 00:16:31,667 when he said "The Bridge is over." 344 00:16:31,750 --> 00:16:34,917 But the record was so fuckin' hot! 345 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,500 ♪Manhattan keeps on makin' it Brooklyn keeps on takin' it♪ 346 00:16:37,582 --> 00:16:39,332 ♪Bronx keeps creatin' it and Queens keeps on fakin' it♪ 347 00:16:39,417 --> 00:16:41,207 ♪Yeah 348 00:16:41,290 --> 00:16:43,667 [Fredro] That was a hit record KRS-ONE had, 349 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:44,582 and every time they played it, 350 00:16:44,667 --> 00:16:46,082 "Queens keeps on fakin' it," 351 00:16:46,165 --> 00:16:48,207 that was just like a blow to the whole Queens. 352 00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:49,792 Wherever you was from in Queens... [record scratch] 353 00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:51,417 that -- that was a dis. 354 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:53,959 Damn... 355 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,417 But it also pumped something in every 356 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,958 Queens kid's heart. 357 00:17:01,041 --> 00:17:04,541 And it said, "Nobody will ever say 358 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:08,666 'Queens is fakin' it' again." 359 00:17:09,165 --> 00:17:11,500 ♪"Made You Look" by Nas♪ 360 00:17:13,125 --> 00:17:15,583 ♪Now, let's get it all in perspective♪ 361 00:17:15,666 --> 00:17:18,834 ♪For all y'all enjoyment a song y'all can step with♪ 362 00:17:18,916 --> 00:17:20,625 ♪Y'all appointed me to bring rap justice♪ 363 00:17:20,709 --> 00:17:23,791 ♪But I ain't five-oh y'all know it's Nas, yo♪ 364 00:17:23,875 --> 00:17:27,333 From that moment, KRS-ONE birthed 365 00:17:27,416 --> 00:17:31,959 every greatest Queens athlete ever. 366 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,416 He's also birthed every greatest Queens MC ever, 367 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:39,541 because we will never, ever, ever 368 00:17:39,625 --> 00:17:44,541 let that statement become true again in life. 369 00:17:44,625 --> 00:17:46,875 And that's why you got people like N.O.R.E. 370 00:17:46,959 --> 00:17:48,165 You got people from, like, Nas, 371 00:17:48,250 --> 00:17:52,541 you have people like Mobb Deep, LL Cool J 372 00:17:52,625 --> 00:17:54,125 and Run DMC. 373 00:17:54,208 --> 00:17:55,750 Because we had to let y'all know that 374 00:17:55,834 --> 00:17:57,541 that statement was just a battle rap. 375 00:17:57,625 --> 00:17:59,791 [laughs] 376 00:17:59,875 --> 00:18:02,750 And that's clearly it. We here. 377 00:18:02,834 --> 00:18:03,791 ♪I made you look 378 00:18:03,875 --> 00:18:06,583 ♪You a slave to a page in my rhyme book♪ 379 00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:09,500 The music, you know, during that time in -- 380 00:18:09,583 --> 00:18:13,040 in that era, the content that was coming out was, like, 381 00:18:13,125 --> 00:18:14,916 really gritty, hard, 382 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,040 it told stories of what we was goin' through, 383 00:18:19,125 --> 00:18:20,500 what we wanted to be. 384 00:18:20,583 --> 00:18:22,583 You know, the situation that we was in, 385 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:23,458 how we wanted to get out of it. 386 00:18:23,541 --> 00:18:24,959 Queens was the capital of lyricism, 387 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,165 you know what I mean? And to me, 388 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:27,875 you know what I'm sayin', the good music 389 00:18:27,959 --> 00:18:28,666 came out of Queens. 390 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:30,709 One thing you don't want to do 391 00:18:30,791 --> 00:18:33,541 is you don't want to be going to jail. 392 00:18:33,625 --> 00:18:34,834 You gotta -- You gotta, you know, 393 00:18:34,916 --> 00:18:38,625 pretty much attach yourself to something 394 00:18:38,709 --> 00:18:41,333 positive, and music was it. 395 00:18:41,416 --> 00:18:43,165 As I started to go outside, 396 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:45,416 then you hear about Mobb Deep. 397 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:46,750 And you heard, "Oh, wow, 398 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:47,791 these guys are pretty famous." 399 00:18:47,875 --> 00:18:49,709 Like, "Oh, word? Those guys that 400 00:18:49,791 --> 00:18:51,834 live on the third floor?" 401 00:18:51,916 --> 00:18:53,083 "And they got records on the radio." 402 00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:54,208 "Oh, that's pretty cool." 403 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:56,916 Then you hear about Nas. "Who's Nas?" 404 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,375 "Nas from Vernon." "Yo, he's from Queensbridge? 405 00:18:59,458 --> 00:19:01,000 That's pretty dope." 406 00:19:01,083 --> 00:19:03,208 Ron loved music, but when I seen Ron start to rap, 407 00:19:03,290 --> 00:19:05,000 at first I was like, "Come on, man. Put -- 408 00:19:05,083 --> 00:19:06,791 What are you doing? You know what 409 00:19:06,875 --> 00:19:07,375 I'm sayin'? What are you doing? 410 00:19:07,458 --> 00:19:09,250 Stick to ball, man." 411 00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:18,290 I was, uh, a star at La Salle 412 00:19:18,375 --> 00:19:20,040 and they brung... [sighs] 413 00:19:20,125 --> 00:19:21,040 the skinny kid from Queens. 414 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:23,040 He played for the same AAU team I played for 415 00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:25,125 so I -- I knew Ron. 416 00:19:26,625 --> 00:19:30,333 [Ron] There was a all-boys' school. Catholic. 417 00:19:30,416 --> 00:19:33,666 [Ron] I think I got in a fight in the hallway. [chuckles] 418 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:37,083 I remember being suspended. 419 00:19:37,165 --> 00:19:38,125 I remember them saying, 420 00:19:38,208 --> 00:19:41,040 "If you do this again, we're kicking you out." 421 00:19:41,125 --> 00:19:42,916 And they sat me the first 13 games 422 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,083 of my freshman year, 423 00:19:45,165 --> 00:19:47,165 and it sucked. 424 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:49,750 [Shammgod] He didn't really have a skillset at this point. 425 00:19:49,834 --> 00:19:51,250 I used to always tell him to come in the mornings 426 00:19:51,333 --> 00:19:52,250 just to work on his skills. 427 00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:52,875 I'm like, "You need to learn how to dribble, 428 00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,500 shoot, stuff like that." 429 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,375 [crowd cheering] 430 00:19:57,458 --> 00:20:00,416 [Bill] His reputation, of course, preceded him. 431 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,583 That he was a tough, tough player. 432 00:20:03,666 --> 00:20:06,416 And he wouldn't take anything from anybody. 433 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:09,541 I gotta attribute that a lot to his father. 434 00:20:09,625 --> 00:20:11,125 I guess he said, "If I can play against my father, 435 00:20:11,208 --> 00:20:13,375 I can play against anybody. 436 00:20:15,165 --> 00:20:17,875 I always found Ron a hard kid 437 00:20:17,959 --> 00:20:20,250 and then a hard guy not to like. 438 00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:23,125 There -- You know, despite the rough exterior 439 00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:25,458 and the fact that he looks like he's a -- 440 00:20:25,541 --> 00:20:27,250 you know, like a raging bull, 441 00:20:27,333 --> 00:20:27,959 there's actually, like a soft spot 442 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,083 and a sweetness to him. 443 00:20:30,165 --> 00:20:31,458 He worked hard that summer. 444 00:20:31,541 --> 00:20:33,709 You know, he was playing AAU or Riverside 445 00:20:33,791 --> 00:20:36,959 and they had Elton Brand, they had Lamar Odom. 446 00:20:37,959 --> 00:20:39,709 I knew right away from the first time I -- 447 00:20:39,791 --> 00:20:41,290 I played against him that he would be the 448 00:20:41,375 --> 00:20:44,333 toughest competition the rest of my life. 449 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,959 [Bill] That was one of the greatest AAU teams of all time. 450 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,125 Ronnie and Elton Brand... 451 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:54,290 You know, that was a hell of a front line alone. 452 00:20:54,375 --> 00:20:55,290 Lamar Odom... 453 00:20:55,375 --> 00:20:57,666 You're not -- You're not gonna beat that team. 454 00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:59,333 [laughs] 455 00:20:59,416 --> 00:21:01,208 [Mark] I think that for those kids they formed a kind of 456 00:21:01,290 --> 00:21:03,165 aristocracy of -- of talent. 457 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:06,000 What that team symbolizes 458 00:21:06,083 --> 00:21:07,834 was that there was no going back. 459 00:21:07,916 --> 00:21:09,666 The shift was now final. 460 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:12,165 The -- The path of the game was inexorable. 461 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:15,791 The real team, the money team, 462 00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:17,750 was going to be the AAU squads, 463 00:21:17,834 --> 00:21:19,250 not your high school team. 464 00:21:20,290 --> 00:21:21,333 [crowd cheering] 465 00:21:21,416 --> 00:21:24,125 [Elton] Lamar Odom had a six-inch growth spurt. 466 00:21:24,208 --> 00:21:26,500 You know, he went from 6'1" to 6'7" 467 00:21:26,583 --> 00:21:28,000 from, like, ninth to tenth grade. 468 00:21:28,083 --> 00:21:31,875 Silky-smooth point guard. 469 00:21:31,959 --> 00:21:33,875 It was almost not fair, 'cause I'm, like, 470 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:36,375 a 6'4" center [laughs] 471 00:21:36,458 --> 00:21:38,583 and they're telling me I got talent. I'm watching him 472 00:21:38,666 --> 00:21:40,875 and just move and pass the ball, unselfish, 473 00:21:40,959 --> 00:21:43,000 just amazing player. 474 00:21:43,083 --> 00:21:44,583 And Ron Artest was the enforcer. 475 00:21:44,666 --> 00:21:45,165 You know, that's -- that's who he is, 476 00:21:45,250 --> 00:21:46,875 that's who he was. 477 00:21:46,959 --> 00:21:49,750 Defensive stopper. 478 00:21:50,583 --> 00:21:53,541 That's where we learned how to play unselfishly. 479 00:21:53,625 --> 00:21:56,834 We always knew Lamar was the most skilled, 480 00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:57,959 Elton was the best, 481 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,666 I was pretty damn good. 482 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:03,709 [Mark] Ron always made the right basketball play. 483 00:22:03,791 --> 00:22:07,040 It's like he learned the game at a Jewish summer camp. 484 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:08,916 All that being said, 485 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,375 there was something scary about the guy. 486 00:22:11,458 --> 00:22:13,040 There was a look in his eyes, 487 00:22:13,125 --> 00:22:15,040 you didn't want to mess with him, 488 00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:17,000 because he could go off on you. 489 00:22:17,083 --> 00:22:18,250 [woman] Oh, no, he didn't! 490 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:19,959 No, he didn't! 491 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,583 We were playing a tournament in St. Louis, 492 00:22:22,666 --> 00:22:24,709 and this is their home tournament and 493 00:22:24,791 --> 00:22:27,583 the guy was scoring a little too much for Ron's liking 494 00:22:27,666 --> 00:22:30,666 and he ended up, you know, punching him in the face, 495 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,165 coming off the pick. 496 00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:35,250 There was a -- a jaw that was, uh, displaced. 497 00:22:35,333 --> 00:22:38,458 But that's who Ron was, he's -- 498 00:22:38,541 --> 00:22:41,290 He had pride in his defense. 499 00:22:41,375 --> 00:22:42,416 I remember -- [sighs] 500 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,333 We was watching a high school game 501 00:22:44,416 --> 00:22:45,916 and there was a game before us and this guy 502 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,416 got on my nerves 503 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,083 and I threw him down, like, 504 00:22:48,165 --> 00:22:50,666 20 sets of bleachers 505 00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:51,458 from really high up. 506 00:22:53,165 --> 00:22:54,250 Um... 507 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:55,250 It was pretty bad. 508 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,416 Ron just picked him up... 509 00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:58,375 over his head and, like, 510 00:22:58,458 --> 00:23:00,125 just threw him down the fucking stairs. 511 00:23:00,208 --> 00:23:02,959 That shit, that was crazy. 512 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,709 Ron, when he goes there, ain't no stopping him. 513 00:23:07,333 --> 00:23:08,375 [Ron] I didn't really care. 514 00:23:08,458 --> 00:23:09,791 You know, when I was younger, I didn't really 515 00:23:09,875 --> 00:23:13,541 care about anybody, what they thought. 516 00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:15,250 You know, all I know is 517 00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:16,875 I'm here to play basketball. 518 00:23:16,959 --> 00:23:17,959 Get the hell out of Queensbridge 519 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,709 for a little bit. 520 00:23:20,541 --> 00:23:22,125 [indistinct shouting] 521 00:23:23,375 --> 00:23:26,083 [Bill] When Shammgod left, he became the focal point 522 00:23:26,165 --> 00:23:28,000 for the next two years. 523 00:23:28,083 --> 00:23:31,083 And we had very, very successful years with him. 524 00:23:31,165 --> 00:23:33,458 The final year, we played Christ the King, 525 00:23:33,541 --> 00:23:35,125 who was loaded, uh, in the semi-finals 526 00:23:35,208 --> 00:23:37,750 of the city championship. 527 00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:40,875 And, uh, we were down at half. 528 00:23:41,541 --> 00:23:43,834 I remember yelling at the kids, saying, you know, 529 00:23:43,916 --> 00:23:45,916 "We rode this guy's back the whole year. 530 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,666 Let's continue the -- the ride." 531 00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:51,875 And he went crazy the second half. 532 00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:53,959 I remember he started off the third quarter 533 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,250 with a monstrous dunk. 534 00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:58,208 And, of course, we ended up winning. 535 00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:02,250 We were the last team since 1970 536 00:24:02,333 --> 00:24:05,165 to win the city championship undefeated. 537 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:08,750 It was him that, quote unquote "willed us" into that -- 538 00:24:08,834 --> 00:24:10,333 that record. 539 00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:11,500 When I took him out of the game, 540 00:24:11,583 --> 00:24:12,666 when the game was basically over, 541 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:16,333 he had so many kids and people from Queensbridge 542 00:24:16,416 --> 00:24:19,040 that was there, it was incredible. 543 00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:20,875 And he actually went up in the stands 544 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:22,750 and they hugged him. 545 00:24:22,834 --> 00:24:24,625 It was very emotional. 546 00:24:27,791 --> 00:24:31,125 [Ron] At that age, at -- What was I? 17 years old? 547 00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:33,541 There was a bunch of things going on at that time. 548 00:24:33,625 --> 00:24:35,165 My little sister passed away. 549 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:36,541 She was two-and-a-half months. 550 00:24:36,625 --> 00:24:38,375 She passed away in the bed. 551 00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:40,040 Sudden infant death syndrome. 552 00:24:40,125 --> 00:24:41,959 Dedicated every game to her. 553 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,375 I remember, it was just hell. 554 00:24:45,458 --> 00:24:47,375 And I also had a baby come at that time also. 555 00:24:47,458 --> 00:24:52,125 I was trying to become a parent... 556 00:24:52,208 --> 00:24:54,208 ...and a family man at 17 years old. 557 00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:56,709 My brother, he did ten years. 558 00:24:56,791 --> 00:24:58,083 He got snitched on when he was drug trafficking 559 00:24:58,165 --> 00:24:59,541 and he didn't tell. 560 00:24:59,625 --> 00:25:02,290 I remember, I remember the day. 561 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:06,165 I was right at the same spot that Capone shot a cop 562 00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:07,458 maybe, like, three years earlier. 563 00:25:07,541 --> 00:25:10,416 And that kind of hurt me because 564 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:11,916 I had no guidance. 565 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,165 And I look back at that and I'm like, "Wow, you know? 566 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:17,000 Um, how did you do that?" 567 00:25:19,333 --> 00:25:19,750 You ready? 568 00:25:19,834 --> 00:25:20,666 Yeah, I'm ready. 569 00:25:23,125 --> 00:25:26,165 I just feel like a big storm is coming 570 00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:28,750 I--I don't know. I don't know, man. 571 00:25:28,834 --> 00:25:29,916 I don't know. 572 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,875 [applause] 573 00:25:30,959 --> 00:25:34,208 I picked St. John's because New York -- 574 00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:35,290 New York fans and 575 00:25:35,375 --> 00:25:38,083 there's no better basketball other than New York. 576 00:25:38,165 --> 00:25:39,541 [Jarvis] If I knew how it was gonna've gone, 577 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,125 I might not have taken the job, to be honest with you. 578 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,791 Ron -- R-- We had a lot of fights. [laughs] 579 00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:49,250 It was -- It was, at times, you'd think it was -- 580 00:25:49,333 --> 00:25:50,250 you were watching the circus. 581 00:25:50,333 --> 00:25:52,625 Every time I'd meet somebody 582 00:25:52,709 --> 00:25:54,625 that I played with back in the days, they like, 583 00:25:54,709 --> 00:25:56,666 "You remember this story?" I'm like, "No. 584 00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:58,959 I don't remember the -- [laughs] 585 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,666 the -- my 100th fight." [laughs] 586 00:26:02,375 --> 00:26:04,583 [Jarvis] He was the first. 587 00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:06,500 He was also the last player I ever had that 588 00:26:06,583 --> 00:26:09,750 had those kinds of mood swings. 589 00:26:09,834 --> 00:26:13,916 I knew there was something that was off. 590 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,083 Something wasn't quite right. 591 00:26:17,165 --> 00:26:18,709 Well, he was bipolar. 592 00:26:18,791 --> 00:26:24,375 He had a -- I guess it was a chemical, uh, imbalance. 593 00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:25,165 You know, people would say, "Ah, he's crazy." 594 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:27,250 He wasn't crazy. 595 00:26:27,333 --> 00:26:29,500 I mean, first of all, he's too smart anyhow, you know. 596 00:26:29,583 --> 00:26:31,834 But second of all, um, 597 00:26:31,916 --> 00:26:34,208 he had a -- he -- he had a... 598 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:35,750 He had a disease, he couldn't handle it. 599 00:26:37,165 --> 00:26:40,834 We'd be having a practice, things would be going great. 600 00:26:40,916 --> 00:26:41,500 And then all of a sudden, something would happen 601 00:26:41,583 --> 00:26:43,709 and Ron would just go off. 602 00:26:43,791 --> 00:26:47,125 And I would blow the whistle, call a timeout, 603 00:26:47,208 --> 00:26:48,083 and I would pray. 604 00:26:48,165 --> 00:26:51,000 99 percent of the time, that worked. 605 00:26:51,083 --> 00:26:53,416 Ron would calm down, 606 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,750 and then I'd say, "Okay, get a drink of water," 607 00:26:55,834 --> 00:26:57,416 and we'd go back to work. 608 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,583 This particular Sunday evening, 609 00:27:00,666 --> 00:27:05,333 about 20 minutes later, I call my second timeout. 610 00:27:05,416 --> 00:27:08,375 And we pray again, and we come back out. 611 00:27:08,458 --> 00:27:10,541 Maybe 20 minutes later, 612 00:27:10,625 --> 00:27:13,625 I gotta call a third timeout. 613 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,083 I said, "Ron... 614 00:27:17,165 --> 00:27:19,750 ...I want you to leave the gym." 615 00:27:19,834 --> 00:27:21,375 Well --- [inhales] 616 00:27:21,458 --> 00:27:24,834 As -- On his way out, 617 00:27:24,916 --> 00:27:28,250 he picked up every ball off the two-bar racks 618 00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:30,208 and threw it up into the balcony in the -- 619 00:27:30,290 --> 00:27:31,709 in the arena. 620 00:27:31,791 --> 00:27:36,458 Then, he took the ball rack and threw that up. 621 00:27:36,541 --> 00:27:39,125 And then he slammed his way out the gym. 622 00:27:39,208 --> 00:27:42,040 It was too much. Too much, um... 623 00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:43,375 Way too much intensity. 624 00:27:43,458 --> 00:27:45,959 [chuckles] Way too much. 625 00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:50,083 [Jarvis] I go up to my office, I open the door. 626 00:27:50,165 --> 00:27:52,375 ...the second secretary used to have this 627 00:27:52,458 --> 00:27:54,165 old-fashioned typewriter 628 00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:57,165 on her desk as you enter the locker room. 629 00:27:57,250 --> 00:28:00,583 So the l-- The -- The typewriter wasn't there. 630 00:28:00,666 --> 00:28:03,750 The typewriter was 631 00:28:03,834 --> 00:28:06,709 lodged into the wall. [laughs] 632 00:28:06,791 --> 00:28:09,208 So I'm saying to myself, "Damn, I didn't believe 633 00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:10,709 anybody could be that strong." 634 00:28:10,791 --> 00:28:14,333 The typewriter's basically part of the wall now. 635 00:28:15,125 --> 00:28:18,000 The next morning, uh, you know, I had called Ron. 636 00:28:18,083 --> 00:28:19,750 He came in and he was remorseful. 637 00:28:19,834 --> 00:28:23,541 He was really, really, really sad. 638 00:28:23,625 --> 00:28:25,083 I never had a player or anybody like that 639 00:28:25,165 --> 00:28:27,625 in my life 640 00:28:27,709 --> 00:28:29,875 that could go from being, 641 00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:31,625 I mean, the kindest, 642 00:28:31,709 --> 00:28:36,583 most gentle, soft-spoken, 643 00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:40,875 mannerly, sweet, lovable person 644 00:28:40,959 --> 00:28:41,625 to being, 645 00:28:41,709 --> 00:28:45,333 like, totally the opposite. 646 00:28:45,416 --> 00:28:48,959 Never had anybody in my life like that, ever. 647 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,250 [commentator] This game is sold-out. 648 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:52,541 It's the first sell-out at Madison Square Garden 649 00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:54,208 for St. John's in three years. 650 00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:56,125 [man] For St. John's Ron Artest led only the 651 00:28:56,208 --> 00:28:59,250 second triple double in the school's history 652 00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:00,791 against Seton Hall a few weeks ago. 653 00:29:00,875 --> 00:29:02,709 An outstanding all-around player. 654 00:29:02,791 --> 00:29:05,290 The only reason I started scoring is because 655 00:29:05,375 --> 00:29:09,666 media, NBA fans, they wasn't recognizing defense 656 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:11,458 or deflections, you know? 657 00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:13,000 Or being disruptive. 658 00:29:13,083 --> 00:29:15,583 And they didn't see that, so I said, "Okay, I'm 659 00:29:15,666 --> 00:29:17,834 just gonna start averaging 20, 20+." 660 00:29:17,916 --> 00:29:19,416 That's when I started working on my game 661 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,000 was because they wasn't paying people 662 00:29:22,083 --> 00:29:25,083 who was having no points and no rebounds. 663 00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:30,208 [commentator] Artest moves closer... 664 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:33,000 Good! With one second left! 665 00:29:33,083 --> 00:29:35,333 [man] Artest, does he come out big or not? 666 00:29:35,416 --> 00:29:37,834 [man] Some shot by Artest, and he's done all of this 667 00:29:37,916 --> 00:29:40,250 with four fouls on him. 668 00:29:42,083 --> 00:29:45,375 And anybody that thought that he couldn't play 669 00:29:45,458 --> 00:29:48,666 beyond the foul line, this kid, with time, 670 00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:52,666 this could be a really, really great 671 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:53,834 offensive player as well. 672 00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:57,416 Everybody knew how good his defense was. 673 00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,165 And I think for Ron, it just gave him 674 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:03,875 that confidence that a kid from Queensbridge needs. 675 00:30:03,959 --> 00:30:05,040 When I watched him play at St. John's, 676 00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:07,875 I just thought to myself, "This guy's gonna give 677 00:30:07,959 --> 00:30:10,250 a heart attack to guys in the NBA, 678 00:30:10,333 --> 00:30:11,875 because he's gonna go after them. 679 00:30:11,959 --> 00:30:13,208 He's not gonna back off." 680 00:30:13,290 --> 00:30:15,290 And I'm talking about the best guys in the league. 681 00:30:16,125 --> 00:30:19,750 [Ron] I was really focused on the court. 682 00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:20,834 And, um, you know, 683 00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:23,290 and I wanted to just go to the NBA. 684 00:30:23,375 --> 00:30:27,875 With the 16th pick in the 1999 NBA draft, 685 00:30:27,959 --> 00:30:29,583 the Chicago Bulls 686 00:30:29,666 --> 00:30:33,709 select Ron Artest from St. John's University. 687 00:30:33,791 --> 00:30:37,125 [cheers and applause] 688 00:30:41,666 --> 00:30:43,458 Nah. [laughs] 689 00:30:43,541 --> 00:30:45,709 Playin' with the camera a little bit. 690 00:30:45,791 --> 00:30:47,083 [Bill] I think getting out of New York, 691 00:30:47,165 --> 00:30:49,375 -going to Chicago... -How you doin'? 692 00:30:49,458 --> 00:30:52,916 ...Being away from his following, 693 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,959 I think that was good for him. 694 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,165 Hi, baby. Congratulations... 695 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:59,583 -I see y'all later. -Okay, now. 696 00:30:59,666 --> 00:31:02,125 [Bill] And, of course, Elton Brand was also drafted from, 697 00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:04,375 so it wasn't like he was going to a team 698 00:31:04,458 --> 00:31:06,000 that he knew nobody. 699 00:31:06,083 --> 00:31:07,040 We did it, we did it together. 700 00:31:07,125 --> 00:31:09,875 And Ron and I were the "baby Bulls." [laughs] 701 00:31:09,959 --> 00:31:12,583 We were on the same team, so it was just -- 702 00:31:12,666 --> 00:31:13,500 It was just a whirlwind. 703 00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:15,916 [Havoc] I seen Big Ron on the block. He said, 704 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,333 "Yo, your boy going to the league and all that." 705 00:31:19,416 --> 00:31:20,916 You see him? He's a monster." 706 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,791 I was like, "That's what you made! 707 00:31:22,875 --> 00:31:23,791 You know what I'm sayin'? You made a monster!" 708 00:31:23,875 --> 00:31:25,791 And then that's what he became: 709 00:31:25,875 --> 00:31:27,000 a monster in the league. 710 00:31:28,583 --> 00:31:32,000 ♪tense piano 711 00:31:32,709 --> 00:31:35,040 [Ron] I was often fearful 712 00:31:35,125 --> 00:31:37,791 of going to the NBA because I seen 713 00:31:37,875 --> 00:31:39,125 Antony Mason's arms. 714 00:31:39,208 --> 00:31:42,625 [chuckles] And then you see Oakley. [laughs] 715 00:31:42,709 --> 00:31:44,791 And Malone. 716 00:31:44,875 --> 00:31:45,916 I always asked myself, "Could I do this?" 717 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,500 And then I said, "Yeah, I just have to be mean." 718 00:31:50,583 --> 00:31:53,208 I really had to have a lot of hate for people 719 00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:55,208 when I would play. 720 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:56,709 You know, um... 721 00:31:56,791 --> 00:31:59,583 And I would think bad things about people. 722 00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:04,458 I was very stressed at that time. 723 00:32:04,541 --> 00:32:06,208 You know, I was very stressed because.. 724 00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:08,040 Really, I don't know why. I had money. [laughs] 725 00:32:08,125 --> 00:32:11,791 But I was super hungry, you know? Um, still. 726 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:14,750 And when I made it, I became more hungry, 727 00:32:14,834 --> 00:32:17,791 and more crazy, and more everything, you know? 728 00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:20,541 Everything was magnified. 729 00:32:20,625 --> 00:32:23,333 Uh, so it was really a lot of things 730 00:32:23,416 --> 00:32:24,458 going on in my head. 731 00:32:24,541 --> 00:32:26,000 I remember there were him 732 00:32:26,083 --> 00:32:27,250 wrestling with Glenn Robinson, 733 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:28,834 them falling out of bounds. 734 00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:29,875 [man] Oh! And Artest is 735 00:32:29,959 --> 00:32:33,541 really upset with Robinson!... 736 00:32:33,625 --> 00:32:35,875 I remember, uh, seeing Ronnie play for the Bulls, 737 00:32:35,959 --> 00:32:38,791 and he was good for the Bulls. 738 00:32:38,875 --> 00:32:41,208 But something happened between them. 739 00:32:41,290 --> 00:32:41,875 Brad Miller did something to Shaq, 740 00:32:41,959 --> 00:32:44,375 then Shaq went after him. 741 00:32:44,458 --> 00:32:46,165 And here comes Ronnie and he jumps on 742 00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:48,541 Shaq's back. [laughing] And I'm thinking, 743 00:32:48,625 --> 00:32:50,500 "Oh, you gotta be crazy." 744 00:32:50,583 --> 00:32:52,250 But that was him. He -- 745 00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:53,458 You know, he was all-out. 746 00:32:53,541 --> 00:32:55,666 I went to a lot of places with Ron in his early years. 747 00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:59,208 His early years was like... 748 00:32:59,290 --> 00:33:00,165 I'm looking like, "Is he -- Is he 749 00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:02,208 gonna make it a long time in the league?" 750 00:33:02,290 --> 00:33:05,666 I wanted to be the best from -- from day one. 751 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:06,959 But I wasn't doing things to be the best. 752 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,040 I wasn't taking care of my body. I was out 753 00:33:09,125 --> 00:33:09,875 partying and stuff. 754 00:33:09,959 --> 00:33:11,875 He was a first-round draft pick, 755 00:33:11,959 --> 00:33:13,040 and he ends up, during the summer, 756 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:16,500 he had nothing to do, so he went and got a job 757 00:33:16,583 --> 00:33:18,709 [laughs] in Chicago in Circuit City 758 00:33:18,791 --> 00:33:19,709 and I'm thinking, 759 00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:22,040 "Now, that's really different." You know? 760 00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,583 He's in the NBA and he had a part-time job 761 00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:25,333 at Circuit City. 762 00:33:25,416 --> 00:33:27,333 I used to drop him off at work, 763 00:33:27,416 --> 00:33:29,290 picking him up sometimes, 764 00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:30,750 tried to get a discount on some DVDs players 765 00:33:30,834 --> 00:33:32,750 and stuff like that. 766 00:33:32,834 --> 00:33:34,000 But he really worked there in the back. 767 00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:36,083 Like, during the NBA. And then, uh... 768 00:33:36,165 --> 00:33:38,165 [laughs] Jerry Krause found out and made him quit. 769 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,290 Well, I had counseling in Chicago. 770 00:33:50,375 --> 00:33:52,666 I first got diagnosed in the NBA in Chicago, 771 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:53,791 most of my other family members were all 772 00:33:53,875 --> 00:33:55,834 on medicine. 773 00:33:55,916 --> 00:33:57,000 So they thought I was gonna be on the same 774 00:33:57,083 --> 00:33:59,333 medication as my dad was. 775 00:33:59,416 --> 00:34:01,541 They just said, "Well, whatever your dad is on," 776 00:34:01,625 --> 00:34:02,916 the doctor, 777 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,791 "we're gonna give you half that." [laughs] 778 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,709 So I said, "A'ight, cool." 779 00:34:06,791 --> 00:34:08,416 You know, 'cause I wanted to play basketball 780 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,458 and stop being so mad. 781 00:34:09,541 --> 00:34:11,791 But that lasted for, like, a day. I couldn't -- 782 00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:14,208 That -- The medicine, I didn't like it. 783 00:34:14,291 --> 00:34:15,166 I mean, we all -- 784 00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:16,875 I think everybody who -- who ever walked 785 00:34:16,958 --> 00:34:19,916 the planet Earth has dealt with mental illness 786 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,916 or anxiety at some scale or level, 787 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,916 so nothing really out-of-the-ordinary. 788 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,291 Some people just have it more. 789 00:34:29,166 --> 00:34:32,083 I remember Bill Cartwright saying, "Listen, 790 00:34:32,166 --> 00:34:35,041 If you keep acting like this, they're gonna move you. 791 00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:39,041 I don't wanna move you. I want you here." 792 00:34:39,125 --> 00:34:43,625 I said, "Okay, I'm not gonna mess up again." [laughs] 793 00:34:43,708 --> 00:34:47,250 And then I did something else stupid. They traded me. 794 00:34:50,208 --> 00:34:51,375 [Donnie] I -- I thought it would be a good trade. 795 00:34:51,458 --> 00:34:54,541 I got Brad Miller, him, and Ron Mercer. 796 00:34:54,625 --> 00:34:57,541 And the more I watched him play, the more I thought, 797 00:34:57,625 --> 00:34:59,708 "Boy, this guy is effective." 'Cause he was, like, 798 00:34:59,791 --> 00:35:02,583 about 6'6", 6'7". 799 00:35:02,666 --> 00:35:04,708 But his shoulders were like that. 800 00:35:04,791 --> 00:35:06,708 [Jermaine] I remember getting into our first practice, 801 00:35:06,791 --> 00:35:08,583 and he just -- he chased down everything. 802 00:35:08,666 --> 00:35:11,500 Wanted to impose his physical nature onto 803 00:35:11,583 --> 00:35:13,000 the person that he was playing against. 804 00:35:13,083 --> 00:35:15,333 And I knew, with my mentality 805 00:35:15,416 --> 00:35:16,000 and some of the people that we already had, 806 00:35:16,083 --> 00:35:17,833 that would be a great mix. 807 00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,208 [crowds cheering] 808 00:35:21,583 --> 00:35:23,500 [Donnie] And then Jermaine O'Neal was a very good player. 809 00:35:23,583 --> 00:35:25,250 Reggie Miller was a very good player. 810 00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:27,125 I knew we had the makings of a good team and we did. 811 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:31,000 But if you get somebody who's out there just 812 00:35:31,083 --> 00:35:34,000 doing sporadic things that are unusual, 813 00:35:34,083 --> 00:35:35,666 you know, the players are, like, 814 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:36,625 ducking all the time. 815 00:35:36,708 --> 00:35:38,625 And so I didn't want to see that happen. 816 00:35:39,125 --> 00:35:42,125 ♪dramatic spacey music♪ 817 00:35:44,041 --> 00:35:46,958 I could see that he was up and down 818 00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:51,416 and that he reacted to whatever mood he was in. 819 00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:52,958 Like, you know, he'd come in and some days, 820 00:35:53,041 --> 00:35:54,333 he'd say, "I'm not gonna practice today." 821 00:35:54,416 --> 00:35:57,208 "Oh, you -- you're gonna practice, you know. [laughs] 822 00:35:57,291 --> 00:35:58,666 You gotta practice." 823 00:35:58,750 --> 00:35:59,541 In many cases, I'd try to reach out to him 824 00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:02,041 to try to better understand him w-- 825 00:36:02,125 --> 00:36:04,375 You know, and a lot was off the court. 826 00:36:04,458 --> 00:36:05,208 And he was a little bit, you know, kind of 827 00:36:05,291 --> 00:36:07,166 stand-offish when it came to that, 828 00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:09,250 so I didn't necessarily un-- understand him. 829 00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,916 And the ability for him to do that 830 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,416 brought more tension between me and him. 831 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,041 I don't think any teammate, um, the organization, 832 00:36:17,125 --> 00:36:19,375 anybody really understood Ron. 833 00:36:19,458 --> 00:36:21,208 And I'm not sure if he wanted to be understood, 834 00:36:21,291 --> 00:36:22,875 you know, at the time. I think everything he did 835 00:36:22,958 --> 00:36:24,708 was a reaction. 836 00:36:24,791 --> 00:36:26,458 [whistle] 837 00:36:26,541 --> 00:36:27,416 [Donnie] He'd get angry quick. 838 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,750 And you'd think, "Oh, the -- Oh, the..." 839 00:36:30,833 --> 00:36:33,000 You're afraid he's gonna clear the whole gym out. 840 00:36:33,083 --> 00:36:33,791 [Ron] I'm going to practice and I hated everybody. 841 00:36:33,875 --> 00:36:36,000 You know? 842 00:36:36,083 --> 00:36:38,166 And then I would take that hate back home and come 843 00:36:38,250 --> 00:36:40,791 back to practice the next day with the same hate. 844 00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:42,041 And then when you get into a game, I'm playing 845 00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:43,208 with people that I hate, but I don't really hate them. 846 00:36:43,291 --> 00:36:45,458 I only hate them because we just had a practice. 847 00:36:45,541 --> 00:36:46,625 You see what I'm sayin'? 848 00:36:46,708 --> 00:36:50,458 I was afraid that he'd do something in a game, 849 00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:53,125 after a game, before a game, 850 00:36:53,208 --> 00:36:55,750 that the league would have to get involved with. 851 00:36:59,291 --> 00:37:00,625 [crowd cheering] 852 00:37:00,708 --> 00:37:01,708 [crash] 853 00:37:03,125 --> 00:37:04,291 [commentator] Somebody just threw something into the... 854 00:37:04,375 --> 00:37:05,958 Really, most of my problems came when I lost. 855 00:37:06,041 --> 00:37:08,750 I was a sore loser. 856 00:37:09,375 --> 00:37:11,583 You know? Um, so... 857 00:37:12,541 --> 00:37:14,916 We'd lost a game and I remember just wanting 858 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,666 to get my hands on something. 859 00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:20,750 The camera cost $120,000. [laughs] 860 00:37:20,833 --> 00:37:22,125 I had to pay for it. 861 00:37:22,208 --> 00:37:23,291 [commentator] And Ron Artest, losing his cool 862 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:25,500 -after the game. -He will receive a bill 863 00:37:25,583 --> 00:37:27,083 for throwing the monitor right there. 864 00:37:27,166 --> 00:37:27,958 [commentator] That's just immaturity. 865 00:37:28,041 --> 00:37:30,791 That's -- That's disgraceful. 866 00:37:30,875 --> 00:37:31,875 Sometimes he straddles the line, 867 00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:33,625 sometimes he goes over it. 868 00:37:33,708 --> 00:37:35,500 [Donnie] That's the kind of incidents I was worried about. 869 00:37:35,583 --> 00:37:38,666 You know, they're explosive incidents that -- 870 00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:40,875 there's no warning. It's like that. [snaps fingers] 871 00:37:40,958 --> 00:37:42,875 If he perceived he got hit or something 872 00:37:42,958 --> 00:37:45,500 in the wrong way, 873 00:37:45,583 --> 00:37:48,291 you know, he'd react to it right away, 874 00:37:48,375 --> 00:37:50,125 and you were afraid, "Oh, this guy's -- 875 00:37:50,208 --> 00:37:53,000 You know, he's gonna start beating people up out here." 876 00:37:53,083 --> 00:37:56,000 [commentator] And now, Bell and Artest are nose-to-nose. 877 00:37:56,083 --> 00:37:58,375 And Artest has been thrown out. 878 00:37:58,458 --> 00:38:00,500 That's his second technical tonight, so he's gone. 879 00:38:00,583 --> 00:38:01,166 [commentator] ...That started before the game. 880 00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:03,166 You and I were watching it. 881 00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,375 -[buzzer] -...fouled... 882 00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:10,041 Ron Artest, strong enough to finish even with the foul, 883 00:38:10,125 --> 00:38:12,375 now having words with his assistant coach Keith Askins. 884 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:15,416 And Pat Riley is fired up. 885 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:18,708 Artest's been hit with a technical foul. 886 00:38:18,791 --> 00:38:22,416 Oh, it had nothing to with Pat Reily. He was in the way. 887 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:23,708 It had to do with the coach. 888 00:38:23,791 --> 00:38:25,625 He was being supportive of his players, 889 00:38:25,708 --> 00:38:27,041 and I hated him and his players. 890 00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:28,708 [laughs] It was real simple. 891 00:38:28,791 --> 00:38:33,708 Ronnie seemed to go from one to 100 real quick. 892 00:38:33,791 --> 00:38:36,291 And... 893 00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:39,416 ...at a point, I just questioned whether he could control it. 894 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,416 And so that's why we tried to get him help, 895 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:44,791 and we eventually did. 896 00:38:44,875 --> 00:38:45,416 [man] Artest has received treatment 897 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:47,625 for his anger problems. 898 00:38:47,708 --> 00:38:50,541 However, he's declined to take medication despite the fact 899 00:38:50,625 --> 00:38:54,375 that some close to him think it might be the best thing. 900 00:38:54,458 --> 00:38:57,583 ♪soft emotional music♪ 901 00:39:04,625 --> 00:39:06,250 [Ron] Your records transfer from team to team. 902 00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:07,583 Teams have to know what they're getting. 903 00:39:07,666 --> 00:39:12,708 I had a long talk with Donnie, and then we found, um, 904 00:39:12,791 --> 00:39:14,583 a psychologist in Indiana. 905 00:39:14,666 --> 00:39:17,250 I -- I could tell that he didn't want to do it, 906 00:39:17,333 --> 00:39:18,583 but eventually, 907 00:39:18,666 --> 00:39:19,958 I remember him saying, "Yeah, all right. 908 00:39:20,041 --> 00:39:22,166 I'll talk to him." 909 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:24,833 [Ron] Well, I went a lot, after every practice. [laughs] 910 00:39:24,916 --> 00:39:26,625 Um, after every practice. 911 00:39:26,708 --> 00:39:31,041 You know, because, uh, I was always mad. [laughs] 912 00:39:31,125 --> 00:39:33,416 [man] ...you're doing? 913 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:34,916 You're not gonna do anything. 914 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,416 -Come on, my nigga! -Get the fucking security! 915 00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:38,500 Get your motherfucking security... 916 00:39:40,875 --> 00:39:41,625 That's not the kind of thing, you know, 917 00:39:41,708 --> 00:39:43,916 you take a pill and you're -- 918 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,791 you're okay. 919 00:39:44,875 --> 00:39:46,333 I knew that it was gonna take time. 920 00:39:46,416 --> 00:39:48,625 I knew that Ronnie going into it 921 00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:50,875 was kind of suspicious of it. 922 00:39:50,958 --> 00:39:53,208 We did see his, uh, psychiatrist. 923 00:39:53,291 --> 00:39:55,083 She did -- She travelled with us quite a bit. 924 00:39:55,166 --> 00:39:58,208 Um... And so that part we understood. 925 00:39:58,291 --> 00:40:00,625 The problem is that at the time, we could never really 926 00:40:00,708 --> 00:40:03,791 get to understand, you know, who Ron was 927 00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:05,625 because he wouldn't -- he wouldn't speak about it. 928 00:40:05,708 --> 00:40:08,000 I didn't have a good relationship 929 00:40:08,083 --> 00:40:12,291 with those guys, 'cause I was very -- I wasn't social. 930 00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:13,750 I -- I can't recall -- 931 00:40:13,833 --> 00:40:15,958 I can't count on my hands how many times I had lunch with 932 00:40:16,041 --> 00:40:18,041 one of my NBA teammates. 933 00:40:18,125 --> 00:40:19,750 You know, I think a lot of it is just -- just lack of -- 934 00:40:19,833 --> 00:40:21,333 lack of control at the time. 935 00:40:21,416 --> 00:40:22,833 You gotta understand what I'm saying. 936 00:40:22,916 --> 00:40:24,458 It is two different parts. 937 00:40:24,541 --> 00:40:27,041 Ron was one of the most unbelievable competitors 938 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:29,333 that our league had seen at the time. 939 00:40:31,375 --> 00:40:33,916 [whistle] [crowds cheering] 940 00:40:35,125 --> 00:40:36,875 [commentator] Artest, defensive player of the year, 941 00:40:36,958 --> 00:40:38,791 shows why with a steal of Wade 942 00:40:38,875 --> 00:40:39,833 and a slam on the other end. 943 00:40:39,916 --> 00:40:44,125 I just always remember being the best defender, 944 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:46,875 finish -- finishing number six in MVP voting. 945 00:40:46,958 --> 00:40:49,250 [Kobe] Literally, if you put the ball around this guy, 946 00:40:49,333 --> 00:40:52,416 if you show him the ball, he's going to take it from you. 947 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:53,666 Not some of the time, all of the time. 948 00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:56,458 I -- I just never seen anything like it. 949 00:40:56,541 --> 00:40:59,333 I mean, I used to say his left hand was like a glue trap, 950 00:40:59,416 --> 00:41:01,458 because if he just got one finger on that ball, 951 00:41:01,541 --> 00:41:03,500 he's popping that ball lose and he's taking it from you. 952 00:41:03,583 --> 00:41:06,166 You're not gonna have any idea how that happened. 953 00:41:08,583 --> 00:41:09,916 [commentator]: ...Now Artest really leveling... 954 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,291 [commentator]: ...at the other end. 955 00:41:11,375 --> 00:41:12,500 I mean, he took it to him offensively and sacked him 956 00:41:12,583 --> 00:41:16,875 down to the baseline, and ate him up. 957 00:41:16,958 --> 00:41:20,166 Look at the hands of Artest. He is a -- Oh... 958 00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:21,875 ...pushes him down! 959 00:41:21,958 --> 00:41:24,333 [indistinct chatter] 960 00:41:24,416 --> 00:41:25,416 [Jermaine] He hated Paul. 961 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,541 He felt like he was just tougher than Paul. 962 00:41:27,625 --> 00:41:31,125 Like, we knew how great Paul was as a player, 963 00:41:31,208 --> 00:41:33,666 but he felt like he was the one player 964 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:35,375 that can change everything about Paul. 965 00:41:35,458 --> 00:41:39,375 [Ron] We had wars over the years. 966 00:41:39,458 --> 00:41:40,916 He a Hall of Famer... 967 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,708 ...and I -- I feel like I had something to do with that. 968 00:41:44,791 --> 00:41:46,333 Because I pushed him. 969 00:41:46,416 --> 00:41:49,875 We had wars. I'm proud -- I'm proud that we had wars. 970 00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:51,083 Our time was now, 971 00:41:51,166 --> 00:41:53,083 and even our differences that we had away from 972 00:41:53,166 --> 00:41:54,291 the actual games, 973 00:41:54,375 --> 00:41:56,958 um, we were able to put it aside and just go compete. 974 00:41:57,041 --> 00:41:57,750 And that's why we ended up having 975 00:41:57,833 --> 00:41:59,625 the best record of the year. 976 00:42:02,291 --> 00:42:04,250 [whistle] [cheering] 977 00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:06,250 [Ron] Back home, there was no layups. 978 00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:08,791 It was that type of basketball that made me who I was, 979 00:42:08,875 --> 00:42:09,583 so I brought that to the NBA. 980 00:42:09,666 --> 00:42:12,250 And some people called it dirty, 981 00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:14,333 but I was just relentless. 982 00:42:15,041 --> 00:42:17,083 [Chauncy] We were about the same team. 983 00:42:17,166 --> 00:42:21,166 Both teams just played with the mentality of, 984 00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,416 you know, we -- we -- we gonna win the game or the fight. 985 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,250 He was always, um... 986 00:42:28,416 --> 00:42:29,458 On the edge of it, [laughs] you know what I mean? 987 00:42:29,541 --> 00:42:33,083 And you never quite knew, 988 00:42:33,166 --> 00:42:35,625 you know, what was bothering him. 989 00:42:35,708 --> 00:42:37,125 [Chauncy] It was maybe the hardest series 990 00:42:37,208 --> 00:42:38,125 that I ever played in. 991 00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:39,916 Every single game was physical. 992 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,250 I mean, the winner of that series was gonna win it all. 993 00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:44,750 It was a battle of attrition. 994 00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:46,291 And obviously, the biggest play of the series 995 00:42:46,375 --> 00:42:48,416 was Tayshaun's block. 996 00:42:49,083 --> 00:42:50,625 [commentator] ...Reggie Miller! 997 00:42:50,708 --> 00:42:51,291 And it's blocked again! 998 00:42:51,375 --> 00:42:54,166 How did ... get there? 999 00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:56,625 [commentator] I didn't think it was any way possible 1000 00:42:56,708 --> 00:42:58,291 for him to get this shot. 1001 00:42:58,375 --> 00:43:00,625 That is one of the most amazing blocks 1002 00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:01,958 that I have ever seen. 1003 00:43:02,041 --> 00:43:02,625 [Jermaine] After the game that Tayshaun made 1004 00:43:02,708 --> 00:43:05,208 the incredible block, uh, 1005 00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:08,083 we didn't see Ron for two days. 1006 00:43:08,166 --> 00:43:09,833 And that was one of the first times 1007 00:43:09,916 --> 00:43:14,125 that I felt anger towards him in a way that I 1008 00:43:14,208 --> 00:43:16,500 typically have never felt anger towards, uh, 1009 00:43:16,583 --> 00:43:18,166 a teammate. 1010 00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:20,833 An older group of guys would have settled that up quickly. 1011 00:43:20,916 --> 00:43:22,625 But they were a young group of guys who were, like, 1012 00:43:22,708 --> 00:43:28,125 "Oh!" [laughs] You know... Pointing fingers. 1013 00:43:30,916 --> 00:43:32,000 [Chauncy] I called a play for Rip. 1014 00:43:32,083 --> 00:43:34,666 Rip was a irritant, you know? Like, he's -- 1015 00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:36,250 he's running all over the place, 1016 00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:37,833 he's fouling and scratching people, 1017 00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:41,250 and talking stuff. And I remember, um, 1018 00:43:41,333 --> 00:43:44,250 Rip kind of baiting Ron into the foul. 1019 00:43:44,333 --> 00:43:45,500 [commentator] Pacers been led by as many 1020 00:43:45,583 --> 00:43:47,541 as 14 in the first half. 1021 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:49,166 [commentator] Oh, wow. 1022 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:53,916 Artest just leveled Rip... 1023 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,750 [Ron] He was smart. 1024 00:43:55,833 --> 00:43:57,083 It was tied up, 1025 00:43:57,166 --> 00:43:59,416 and he kind of threw his butt back towards me. 1026 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:01,291 It kind of felt like an elbow. 1027 00:44:01,375 --> 00:44:04,541 It was an offensive foul, hit me in the groin area. 1028 00:44:04,625 --> 00:44:06,708 And then I immediately forgot that we were trying 1029 00:44:06,791 --> 00:44:10,041 to get to the finals, and I elbow him in the face. 1030 00:44:10,125 --> 00:44:11,500 [Jermaine] That was a tough pill to swallow. 1031 00:44:11,583 --> 00:44:14,000 You go through so much, you know, to try to get to that -- 1032 00:44:14,083 --> 00:44:16,375 that place where you can get to the NBA finals, right? 1033 00:44:16,458 --> 00:44:17,916 You dream about that. 1034 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,958 [Ron] He shoots two free throws and they score. 1035 00:44:21,041 --> 00:44:22,208 they go up four. 1036 00:44:22,291 --> 00:44:24,958 And, um... 1037 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,833 They won by four. They go to the finals. 1038 00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:29,833 It is very stupid. 1039 00:44:29,916 --> 00:44:32,583 I don't care how unstable I was mentally. 1040 00:44:32,666 --> 00:44:33,916 You know, it's stupid. 1041 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,291 You know, there's no excuse -- [laughs] um, for that. 1042 00:44:38,375 --> 00:44:39,541 [commentator]: And for the first time in 14 years, 1043 00:44:39,625 --> 00:44:43,083 the Pistons go to the NBA finals! 1044 00:44:43,166 --> 00:44:46,000 They're the 2004 Eastern Conference champions! 1045 00:44:46,833 --> 00:44:49,583 At the end of the season, after we lost, 1046 00:44:49,666 --> 00:44:52,500 I met with the management and I felt like that 1047 00:44:52,583 --> 00:44:55,083 the time was up and we needed to make a change, 1048 00:44:55,166 --> 00:44:56,958 because I didn't believe that we were gonna be able to 1049 00:44:57,041 --> 00:45:01,250 ultimately reach our -- our full potential as a team. 1050 00:45:01,333 --> 00:45:04,208 Am I aware that, uh, Jermaine was upset with Ron? 1051 00:45:04,291 --> 00:45:06,083 Probably, yeah. 1052 00:45:06,166 --> 00:45:10,916 But, you know, there are guys upset with guys every year. 1053 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,875 [Jermaine] I just didn't think that it was gonna change. 1054 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,791 We had a lot of aggression on that team, 1055 00:45:15,875 --> 00:45:17,791 but then what people don't understand, 1056 00:45:17,875 --> 00:45:20,250 that aggression becomes hate. 1057 00:45:20,333 --> 00:45:21,916 You know, or dislike. 1058 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,833 And you have no shot in -- in sports and really in life 1059 00:45:23,916 --> 00:45:26,666 if you are on a team with some people that you 1060 00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:27,958 hate or dislike. 1061 00:45:28,041 --> 00:45:29,791 Well, I wasn't gonna listen to anybody telling me to trade 1062 00:45:29,875 --> 00:45:31,416 anybody, if -- if you really want to know that. 1063 00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:34,708 I didn't care who it was. 1064 00:45:39,041 --> 00:45:40,958 I get a call from Larry Bird, uh, saying, 1065 00:45:41,041 --> 00:45:42,500 "Stephen, welcome to the Indiana Pacers." 1066 00:45:42,583 --> 00:45:43,958 I was excited because I knew I was playing with guys that 1067 00:45:44,041 --> 00:45:47,166 I knew. Me and Jermaine O'Neal, class of '96. 1068 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:48,958 We would play the McDonald's All-American game. 1069 00:45:49,041 --> 00:45:49,625 I was excited because I got a chance 1070 00:45:49,708 --> 00:45:51,791 to play with Ron Artest. 1071 00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:53,791 Coming into that season, it was my first year, you know. 1072 00:45:53,875 --> 00:45:56,458 And they just had played against, uh, the Pi-- Pistons 1073 00:45:56,541 --> 00:45:57,708 in the -- in the Eastern Conference finals. 1074 00:45:57,791 --> 00:45:59,250 They had a long season together. 1075 00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:01,625 So when I got there, Jermaine and Ron was 1076 00:46:01,708 --> 00:46:03,583 white and black, night and day. 1077 00:46:03,666 --> 00:46:05,833 They was nowhere -- They wasn't close at all. 1078 00:46:05,916 --> 00:46:08,166 We didn't talk to Ron at any point between the time we 1079 00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:12,500 lost against the Pistons until we got to training camp. 1080 00:46:12,583 --> 00:46:13,500 Not one word. 1081 00:46:13,583 --> 00:46:14,666 The relationship was -- It was broken. 1082 00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:16,916 It -- It was really broken. 1083 00:46:17,958 --> 00:46:21,458 When he told us that he needed time off 1084 00:46:21,541 --> 00:46:23,875 and the season hadn't even started yet, 1085 00:46:23,958 --> 00:46:25,333 I was like... 1086 00:46:25,416 --> 00:46:27,625 I was just like, " This motherfucker crazy, man." 1087 00:46:27,708 --> 00:46:29,250 I was just like, "Oh, I can't believe it. 1088 00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:30,458 I can't believe it." 1089 00:46:30,541 --> 00:46:34,083 Jermaine is looking at me like, "Are you kidding me?" 1090 00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:36,041 [Jermaine] Leaving the team to go down to the Source Awards 1091 00:46:36,125 --> 00:46:36,791 when we thought he was going home 1092 00:46:36,875 --> 00:46:39,000 to take care of family issues. 1093 00:46:39,083 --> 00:46:42,041 He apologized but, you know, when things continuously 1094 00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:45,708 happen, you know, it's -- it comes upon deaf ears. 1095 00:46:45,791 --> 00:46:47,708 I don't want anything to break this team apart, 1096 00:46:47,791 --> 00:46:48,958 to tear this team apart. 1097 00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:52,250 Ron understands the situation, he understands... 1098 00:46:52,333 --> 00:46:53,875 that that's something that can't come up. 1099 00:46:53,958 --> 00:46:56,000 That any other distraction is -- is... 1100 00:46:56,083 --> 00:46:57,875 is something that we don't need as a team. 1101 00:46:57,958 --> 00:47:00,375 Allure still coming out on November 23rd 1102 00:47:00,458 --> 00:47:01,916 and, uh, I want all the ladies to know go get the album, 1103 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,000 the album's hot. You know what I'm saying? 1104 00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:07,208 And, uh -- You know, we in the house and I'm on the album, 1105 00:47:07,291 --> 00:47:09,500 rapping on the album. You know what I'm saying? 1106 00:47:09,583 --> 00:47:10,708 So it's just go get the album. 1107 00:47:10,791 --> 00:47:12,166 [woman]: What kind of teammate would you say you are? 1108 00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:14,875 Um... 1109 00:47:14,958 --> 00:47:17,208 Uh, at times, difficult. 1110 00:47:17,291 --> 00:47:19,666 Uh, you know. CEO, you know? Like, well, like I said, 1111 00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:20,625 Allure coming out November 23rd. 1112 00:47:20,708 --> 00:47:23,250 We six and two right now. 1113 00:47:23,333 --> 00:47:24,875 And Allure's album is coming out on the 23rd. 1114 00:47:24,958 --> 00:47:27,583 I don't how many times I gotta tell you. 1115 00:47:27,666 --> 00:47:28,916 Tru Warier Records. 1116 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,625 All the ladies, go get the album, 1117 00:47:29,708 --> 00:47:30,916 'cause the album's fire. 1118 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,416 [woman]: Do you think he's learned? 1119 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,583 [Jermaine] Ask him. 1120 00:47:34,666 --> 00:47:36,250 He's the best defender in he game right now, 1121 00:47:36,333 --> 00:47:37,916 so hopefully that doesn't come up and, you know, we just 1122 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,083 contin-- we just continue to win games and -- 1123 00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:43,000 and prepare for winning the championship this year. 1124 00:47:43,083 --> 00:47:44,666 I knew his passion for music, 1125 00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:46,250 but I didn't think he would put his music 1126 00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:47,708 before basketball. 1127 00:47:47,791 --> 00:47:49,333 And, once again, he wasn't thinking, 1128 00:47:49,416 --> 00:47:51,875 but when things came back to him, it clicked. 1129 00:47:51,958 --> 00:47:53,458 [Jermaine] He was coming off defensive player of the year. 1130 00:47:53,541 --> 00:47:55,583 At the time, he was averaging, like, maybe 22, 1131 00:47:55,666 --> 00:47:56,583 23 points a game. 1132 00:47:56,666 --> 00:47:59,625 [Ron] It was cool to be able to say that. 1133 00:47:59,708 --> 00:48:01,791 I was one of the best at one point in time, you know? 1134 00:48:01,875 --> 00:48:05,083 My average went up. I was trying to get MVP. 1135 00:48:05,166 --> 00:48:07,958 You know? Um, and I felt like I was on my way, 1136 00:48:08,041 --> 00:48:08,791 from a basketball standpoint. 1137 00:48:08,875 --> 00:48:11,875 I never questioned Ron's ability. 1138 00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:12,041 Never. 1139 00:48:13,458 --> 00:48:15,958 Where he was mentally, every single day, I questioned. 1140 00:48:16,041 --> 00:48:18,291 I was looking to see -- All these guys are young and they 1141 00:48:18,375 --> 00:48:21,333 got these little petty things going on among them. 1142 00:48:21,416 --> 00:48:22,750 Is it gonna get straightened out 1143 00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:24,083 or I'm gonna have to trade these guys. 1144 00:48:24,166 --> 00:48:26,083 Well, I was gonna wait and see if we won with it. 1145 00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:30,416 And we were winning until we got to the Detroit thing 1146 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:32,583 and then it blew up. 1147 00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:40,208 It was a statement time. They had just beat us in the 1148 00:48:40,291 --> 00:48:41,166 conference finals the year before. 1149 00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:43,791 We knew it was a national televised game. 1150 00:48:43,875 --> 00:48:45,833 Um, we were had -- had the best record at the time. 1151 00:48:45,916 --> 00:48:47,208 We wanted to send a message. 1152 00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:50,416 We had made it clear publicly that we felt like we were 1153 00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:51,541 the better team. 1154 00:48:51,625 --> 00:48:53,375 And I think that was kind of a build-up 1155 00:48:53,458 --> 00:48:56,000 and, you know, obviously, as defending champions, um, 1156 00:48:56,083 --> 00:48:58,833 they felt like they needed more respect. 1157 00:48:58,916 --> 00:49:00,500 I mean, warm-ups in the game, being in that arena, 1158 00:49:00,583 --> 00:49:01,500 you can feel it. 1159 00:49:01,583 --> 00:49:03,166 Nobody had to tell him. You could feel it. 1160 00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:06,458 Fans was "You suck, you're that." 1161 00:49:06,541 --> 00:49:08,000 It's coming from all over. 1162 00:49:08,083 --> 00:49:09,666 We were everything under the sun. 1163 00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:12,625 Racial slurs, assholes, 1164 00:49:12,708 --> 00:49:14,416 talking about our families, our girls. 1165 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:15,541 It was all kind of stuff. 1166 00:49:15,625 --> 00:49:17,208 It was -- It was hostile and every time I played in 1167 00:49:17,291 --> 00:49:18,333 Detroit, in was hostile. 1168 00:49:18,416 --> 00:49:19,833 I remember not being able to deal with it. 1169 00:49:19,916 --> 00:49:22,166 I remember not wanting a fan 1170 00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:24,041 to scream at me. It was j-- I just hated it. 1171 00:49:24,125 --> 00:49:28,041 So not to say that we didn't care about the game, 1172 00:49:28,125 --> 00:49:30,000 but we didn't focus on the game. 1173 00:49:30,083 --> 00:49:33,583 It wasn't circled on our schedule like it was them. 1174 00:49:33,666 --> 00:49:35,583 And they came in and they did what they had to do. 1175 00:49:35,666 --> 00:49:38,500 And, uh, they -- they smacked us. They really did. 1176 00:49:38,583 --> 00:49:41,875 I was killing them. I had 24. [laughs] 1177 00:49:41,958 --> 00:49:44,833 And, um, they couldn't stop me. 1178 00:49:44,916 --> 00:49:46,333 [commentator]: Artest is really playing 1179 00:49:46,416 --> 00:49:47,958 a disciplined game tonight. 1180 00:49:48,041 --> 00:49:50,333 [commentator]: Oh, one of first...for Ron Artest, 1181 00:49:50,416 --> 00:49:54,000 best known for his defense, has half of the Pacer points. 1182 00:49:54,083 --> 00:49:56,708 [Bill] But this was not just any game. 1183 00:49:56,791 --> 00:50:00,375 This was two fierce and bitter rivals on a Friday night. 1184 00:50:00,458 --> 00:50:03,166 They're the champions and you're in their building and 1185 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:04,750 you're torching them and you're the guy who's doing it. 1186 00:50:04,833 --> 00:50:07,875 And that doesn't just happen. 1187 00:50:07,958 --> 00:50:11,583 Towards the end of the game, when the Pistons were getting 1188 00:50:11,666 --> 00:50:14,000 whooped pretty bad, I had moved up a few rows and 1189 00:50:14,083 --> 00:50:16,583 let one of my workers come down and see what it was like 1190 00:50:16,666 --> 00:50:19,083 sitting, you know, court-side. 1191 00:50:19,166 --> 00:50:19,916 [Chauncy] Coach Brown, he was taking all of us 1192 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,458 out of the game. You know? 1193 00:50:22,541 --> 00:50:24,416 Um, all of us -- I had just checked out. 1194 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:25,500 The only reason Ben didn't check out, 1195 00:50:25,583 --> 00:50:26,750 if I'm not mistaken, is because he was on 1196 00:50:26,833 --> 00:50:28,916 the free throw line. 1197 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,916 And then a little exchange at the end, 1198 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,666 uh, with Ron, um, Ben had kind of warned him, like, 1199 00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:35,541 you know, "Just chill. Y'all won. 1200 00:50:35,625 --> 00:50:36,916 Y'all got the came won. Just chill. 1201 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,416 Don't -- Don't hit me no more." 1202 00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:42,166 You know what I'm saying? "Or elbow me, whatever." 1203 00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:42,791 And I guess, um, 1204 00:50:42,875 --> 00:50:46,625 Ron didn't really listen. 1205 00:50:46,708 --> 00:50:49,541 And at the end of the game, I'm guarding Ben. 1206 00:50:49,625 --> 00:50:51,416 We're up 13, 14 points. 1207 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:53,208 I'm letting Ben just go right by me and score and we -- 1208 00:50:53,291 --> 00:50:55,458 I'm trying to let the clock run out so we can get out of here. 1209 00:50:55,541 --> 00:50:58,083 [commentator]: Oh! Ben Wallace is fouled. 1210 00:50:58,166 --> 00:50:59,833 And Wallace st-- Oh! 1211 00:50:59,916 --> 00:51:01,250 Right at Artest! 1212 00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:04,958 This is potentially serious if they don't get between... 1213 00:51:05,041 --> 00:51:05,958 I never knew why he fouled him like that, 1214 00:51:06,041 --> 00:51:08,250 because the game was already over. 1215 00:51:08,333 --> 00:51:11,000 You know, not even sure why Ron was still in the game. 1216 00:51:11,083 --> 00:51:12,958 It was a bad foul by Ron. 1217 00:51:13,041 --> 00:51:14,708 The dumbest thing he could've done, probably. 1218 00:51:14,791 --> 00:51:17,125 It was something about Ron on Ben a foul. 1219 00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:18,916 [commentator]: Wallace upset. 1220 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,458 Players trying to hold each other off. 1221 00:51:20,541 --> 00:51:23,375 I remember Ben Wallace being open for the layup 1222 00:51:23,458 --> 00:51:24,291 and not wanting to give up a layup. 1223 00:51:24,375 --> 00:51:29,250 I didn't want to change my mentality 1224 00:51:29,333 --> 00:51:31,750 because we were winning. 1225 00:51:31,833 --> 00:51:33,958 I always played to the last second. 1226 00:51:34,041 --> 00:51:35,208 That's the only way I know. 1227 00:51:35,291 --> 00:51:39,166 I have to finish my -- finish the game and finish it hard. 1228 00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:40,708 And he was open for a layup 1229 00:51:40,791 --> 00:51:42,416 and I did not want him to get the layup. 1230 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,250 Just took so damn long, man. The -- 1231 00:51:45,333 --> 00:51:47,250 From the push... 1232 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:50,166 ...to the confrontation 1233 00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:50,875 to Rasheed Wallace, Richard Hamilton, 1234 00:51:50,958 --> 00:51:53,958 everybody's in the middle. 1235 00:51:54,041 --> 00:51:55,375 You know, it just took way too long. 1236 00:51:55,458 --> 00:51:56,625 We were just kind of in shock. We were like, 1237 00:51:56,708 --> 00:51:59,000 "Whoa, look at this." And then they were going at it and 1238 00:51:59,083 --> 00:51:59,833 we were like, "Oh, here it goes. 1239 00:51:59,916 --> 00:52:02,000 They're gonna get at it." 1240 00:52:02,083 --> 00:52:03,791 Ben was mad. Now, he had a right to be. 1241 00:52:03,875 --> 00:52:04,875 He had a right to be mad. 1242 00:52:06,083 --> 00:52:07,458 He kept throwing stuff at Ron trying to antagonize Ron. 1243 00:52:07,541 --> 00:52:08,625 [Ron] He threw a towel. 1244 00:52:08,708 --> 00:52:09,875 Then he hit me with the wristband. 1245 00:52:09,958 --> 00:52:13,916 I went to the ref. I said, "What the hell is going on? 1246 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,500 You know, I got -- I got the foul. You called the foul. 1247 00:52:17,583 --> 00:52:18,958 I got pushed, no tech. 1248 00:52:19,041 --> 00:52:20,916 I got something thrown at me, no tech, no ejection. 1249 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,791 Like, what's going on here? You know what I'm saying?" 1250 00:52:23,875 --> 00:52:24,583 So now, I'm at this point. I'm like, 1251 00:52:24,666 --> 00:52:26,208 "I gotta protect myself now." 1252 00:52:26,291 --> 00:52:28,708 Oh, he did what he was supposed to do. 1253 00:52:28,791 --> 00:52:30,000 He was told, like, "If you feel yourself getting 1254 00:52:30,083 --> 00:52:34,750 too agitated, then get away from it 1255 00:52:34,833 --> 00:52:38,208 and sit down and just be by yourself for a minute. 1256 00:52:38,291 --> 00:52:41,875 The foundation of my psychology at that time, 1257 00:52:41,958 --> 00:52:46,375 we did talk about, uh, often, um, 1258 00:52:46,458 --> 00:52:48,375 going to happy places. [laughs] 1259 00:52:48,458 --> 00:52:49,875 So that's why he went over and laid down 1260 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,666 on the scorers table. 1261 00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:52,958 [Ron] There was nowhere else to go. 1262 00:52:53,041 --> 00:52:54,541 Scorers table was very comfortable at that time, 1263 00:52:54,625 --> 00:52:55,833 quite honestly. 1264 00:52:55,916 --> 00:52:57,750 I could've went to the chair, but it just didn't feel -- 1265 00:52:57,833 --> 00:52:58,750 it felt awkward. 1266 00:53:00,125 --> 00:53:00,750 People have asked me why I went to the scorers table. 1267 00:53:00,833 --> 00:53:02,083 Where else am I gonna go? 1268 00:53:02,166 --> 00:53:06,083 Into a -- the -- a cafe? Or am I gonna go to... 1269 00:53:06,166 --> 00:53:07,333 ...the locker room? 1270 00:53:07,416 --> 00:53:09,416 We have 20 seconds left. 1271 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:12,166 The scorers table was right there, 1272 00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:15,083 so I can sit, I can stand on top of the scorers table, 1273 00:53:15,166 --> 00:53:18,875 I can lay, I can do pushups. [laughs] 1274 00:53:18,958 --> 00:53:20,416 There's so many -- Wha-- 1275 00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:21,708 I laid down. 1276 00:53:21,791 --> 00:53:22,708 Well, I'm just thinking, 1277 00:53:22,791 --> 00:53:24,458 "This is just Ron being Ron, you know? 1278 00:53:24,541 --> 00:53:26,583 It's just Ron-Ron just doing his thing. 1279 00:53:26,666 --> 00:53:28,041 Like, he's relaxed and he's chilling. 1280 00:53:28,125 --> 00:53:29,458 Listen, they came here, got the win. 1281 00:53:29,541 --> 00:53:30,750 He's just kind of showing out a little bit. 1282 00:53:30,833 --> 00:53:35,083 But it's no big deal. This is gonna be over soon," you know? 1283 00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:37,708 And -- And boy, I didn't -- 1284 00:53:37,791 --> 00:53:39,291 I wasn't right about that. 1285 00:53:39,375 --> 00:53:42,000 You know, Ben wore a thousand armbands and headbands, 1286 00:53:42,083 --> 00:53:43,333 so he was just -- I mean, he's just steady throwing them. 1287 00:53:43,416 --> 00:53:46,041 Just throwing them. And so people started 1288 00:53:46,125 --> 00:53:48,875 throwing stuff from the stands. 1289 00:53:48,958 --> 00:53:50,291 So he was throwing them at Ron, 1290 00:53:50,375 --> 00:53:50,833 and the next thing you know, you see cups and all 1291 00:53:50,916 --> 00:53:53,083 this stuff fly in. 1292 00:53:53,166 --> 00:53:54,375 We were all kind of booing him and telling him, 1293 00:53:54,458 --> 00:53:56,458 "Get off the scorers table." 1294 00:53:56,541 --> 00:53:58,666 And kids were kind of throwing popcorn down at him. 1295 00:53:58,750 --> 00:54:01,250 I was sitting there talking with my buddy and -- and, uh, 1296 00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:03,916 I said, you know, I was drinking a Diet Coke 1297 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,791 with ice in it and he said -- 1298 00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,458 I said, "I bet I could hit him from right here with that cup." 1299 00:54:07,541 --> 00:54:11,041 And, uh, and he goes, "No, we're too far away." 1300 00:54:11,125 --> 00:54:15,083 And, uh... And I just launched it in the air 1301 00:54:15,166 --> 00:54:16,666 underhand and it kind of went up in the air 1302 00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:19,583 with a perfect arc and hit him right in the chest. 1303 00:54:19,666 --> 00:54:21,833 [indistinct shouting] 1304 00:54:21,916 --> 00:54:24,583 A beer or any type of beverage is thrown in someone's face, 1305 00:54:24,666 --> 00:54:26,166 that's assault. 1306 00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:28,291 In a lot of states, that's assault. 1307 00:54:28,375 --> 00:54:30,083 I'm sitting there. I'm like, "Holy cow," you know? 1308 00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:30,875 I -- I didn't really think I was gonna hit him. 1309 00:54:30,958 --> 00:54:33,750 And then, uh, 1310 00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:35,625 Artest turned around and looked up in the stands 1311 00:54:35,708 --> 00:54:37,958 and the kid sitting next to me, he's yelling at Artest 1312 00:54:38,041 --> 00:54:39,500 going, "Yeah, you got it!" 1313 00:54:39,583 --> 00:54:42,000 [commentator]: Now Artest has jumped over the scorers table 1314 00:54:42,083 --> 00:54:42,958 and is trying to get down to... 1315 00:54:43,041 --> 00:54:45,541 When I seen him raise his hand, I'm like -- 1316 00:54:45,625 --> 00:54:48,166 When I got hit, I'm like... 1317 00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:49,500 "That guy hit me. 1318 00:54:49,583 --> 00:54:52,250 There's nobody else that could've possibly hit me." 1319 00:54:52,333 --> 00:54:55,333 [laughs] So I ran right in that direction, 1320 00:54:55,416 --> 00:54:56,916 and my -- 1321 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,708 What I wanted to do was choke him. [laughs] 1322 00:54:59,791 --> 00:55:01,208 Not to death, but... 1323 00:55:01,291 --> 00:55:03,500 [laughs] just to let him know, 1324 00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:06,708 "Don't you ever hit me with a cup in your life." 1325 00:55:06,791 --> 00:55:07,875 I just started getting adrenaline and my heart 1326 00:55:07,958 --> 00:55:10,958 started racing and seeing him come, I started to get, 1327 00:55:11,041 --> 00:55:12,916 like, I was like, "Oh, man. Here it goes." 1328 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,041 [commentator]: Artest is in the stands! 1329 00:55:14,125 --> 00:55:16,416 [crowd screaming] 1330 00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:21,500 I thought he was coming at me 1331 00:55:21,583 --> 00:55:23,666 and he passed me and went and grabbed this kid. 1332 00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:25,291 I don't know if I blame him. 1333 00:55:25,375 --> 00:55:27,208 Um, but if you're gonna go into the stands, 1334 00:55:27,291 --> 00:55:29,208 hit the right person. 1335 00:55:29,291 --> 00:55:31,208 Right? He hit the wrong person. 1336 00:55:31,291 --> 00:55:32,875 And Artest was looking at this kid saying, 1337 00:55:32,958 --> 00:55:34,291 "Oh, you threw it." 1338 00:55:34,375 --> 00:55:37,333 So he take -- takes off in the -- into the stands 1339 00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:39,125 and grabs this kid 1340 00:55:39,208 --> 00:55:42,791 and, uh, just starts, like, bodyslamming this kid. 1341 00:55:42,875 --> 00:55:45,375 And then beer started flying and... 1342 00:55:45,458 --> 00:55:48,416 I felt bad right away. I went and grabbed Artest 1343 00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:50,083 around, you know, like a bear hug 1344 00:55:50,166 --> 00:55:52,166 trying to pull him off this kid. 1345 00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:53,791 I have to be honest, I wasn't necessarily 1346 00:55:53,875 --> 00:55:55,166 whispering in his ear saying, 1347 00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:58,125 "Hey, I'm the one that threw the cup." [laughs] 1348 00:55:59,291 --> 00:56:01,791 I was very upset. All I wanted to do was go up in the -- 1349 00:56:01,875 --> 00:56:04,250 go in the stands and tell this fan, "You asshole. 1350 00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:05,375 Don't ever throw a cup at me." 1351 00:56:05,458 --> 00:56:07,416 And I thought that was gonna be it. [laughs] 1352 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:08,916 I didn't know it was gonna be more and more 1353 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,583 and more and more. 1354 00:56:10,666 --> 00:56:12,750 Not a very proud moment, but hey, it just -- 1355 00:56:12,833 --> 00:56:16,916 it's one of those things, you know? It was kind of a... 1356 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,208 spontaneous, you know, instant chaos that, you know, 1357 00:56:21,291 --> 00:56:23,791 got me engulfed and, uh, I just reacted. 1358 00:56:23,875 --> 00:56:27,125 He had time to reflect and to think and... 1359 00:56:27,208 --> 00:56:29,500 And then... 1360 00:56:30,541 --> 00:56:32,708 ...And then he just lost his mind. 1361 00:56:34,166 --> 00:56:38,000 And for a long time, 1362 00:56:38,083 --> 00:56:39,458 I kept asking myself the ultimate question 1363 00:56:39,541 --> 00:56:42,958 for people who do lose their mind. 1364 00:56:43,041 --> 00:56:44,958 And that is that 1365 00:56:45,041 --> 00:56:47,166 to lose something 1366 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:50,708 at some point, you have to have it in the first place. 1367 00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:56,125 And I questioned that that night. 1368 00:56:56,208 --> 00:56:57,208 I wasn't afraid at one moment. 1369 00:56:57,291 --> 00:56:59,750 I wasn't worried at one moment. 1370 00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:01,791 You know, my whole mind was, 1371 00:57:01,875 --> 00:57:05,166 you know, protecting myself and protecting my teammates 1372 00:57:05,250 --> 00:57:06,000 and, uh, we'll get out of here together and deal with the 1373 00:57:06,083 --> 00:57:09,375 consequences later. 1374 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,666 [indistinct shouting] 1375 00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:13,333 [commentator] And now another fight's breaking out 1376 00:57:13,416 --> 00:57:16,125 in front of the Pistons bench. 1377 00:57:16,208 --> 00:57:19,166 It's a -- It's a fan on the court. 1378 00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:21,791 This is very, very dangerous. 1379 00:57:21,875 --> 00:57:22,833 [Ron] But a guy comes at me. 1380 00:57:22,916 --> 00:57:25,166 At the time, I'm like, "This guy is crazy." 1381 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:27,083 You know, now, I'm like, you know, I always wanted to know 1382 00:57:27,166 --> 00:57:29,333 what he was thinking, but if he -- 1383 00:57:29,416 --> 00:57:31,625 he's really lucky there was beer on the floor, 1384 00:57:31,708 --> 00:57:33,833 because I slipped. I couldn't quite get a grip, 1385 00:57:33,916 --> 00:57:36,500 'cause the punch would've connected even more. 1386 00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:39,375 [indistinct shouting] 1387 00:57:42,291 --> 00:57:43,916 I think about the animosity that we had 1388 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,541 amongst each other as teammates. 1389 00:57:45,625 --> 00:57:47,166 But that very moment, we came together 1390 00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:48,083 to protect each other. 1391 00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:49,375 It was all put to the test that night. 1392 00:57:49,458 --> 00:57:54,333 As the captain of the team, um, you 1393 00:57:54,416 --> 00:57:55,208 are put in positions and have to make 1394 00:57:55,291 --> 00:57:57,708 decisions for your team. 1395 00:57:57,791 --> 00:57:59,375 And, um, when you're making decisions for your team, 1396 00:57:59,458 --> 00:58:01,166 you're standing with your team. 1397 00:58:01,250 --> 00:58:03,375 I believed in what I did 1398 00:58:03,458 --> 00:58:06,708 and I would absolutely do it again. 1399 00:58:06,791 --> 00:58:09,375 I would absolutely do it again, because at that point, 1400 00:58:09,458 --> 00:58:11,958 people are trying to kill you. 1401 00:58:12,041 --> 00:58:14,375 Over a basketball game. 1402 00:58:14,458 --> 00:58:17,083 [commentator] Fans are throwing cups 1403 00:58:17,166 --> 00:58:19,333 with liquid in them now onto the court. 1404 00:58:19,416 --> 00:58:21,833 Ron Artest has a look in his eye 1405 00:58:21,916 --> 00:58:23,375 that's very scary right now. 1406 00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:26,541 That incident magnified everything. 1407 00:58:26,625 --> 00:58:29,166 It magnified where I was in my life, 1408 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:32,875 and it magnified how much of an asshole these guys were. 1409 00:58:32,958 --> 00:58:33,791 [laughs] 1410 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,916 There were security guards coming, cops coming everywhere 1411 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,916 and I was looking at my buddy, I'm like, "Holy cow." 1412 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,208 He goes, "Yeah, let's get out of here," 1413 00:58:40,291 --> 00:58:42,416 so we took off. [laughs] 1414 00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:44,583 And, uh, and then it started -- 1415 00:58:44,666 --> 00:58:46,500 We were heading out and we saw it kind of escalating 1416 00:58:46,583 --> 00:58:48,750 down on the court. 1417 00:58:48,833 --> 00:58:49,958 [commentator] You wonder if the official 1418 00:58:50,041 --> 00:58:51,375 is gonna let this game continue. 1419 00:58:51,458 --> 00:58:54,083 Now they're throwing bottles out onto the floor. 1420 00:58:54,166 --> 00:58:56,583 15 -- You know, 12 to 15 of you, 1421 00:58:56,666 --> 00:58:58,791 uh, as a team, um, and then 1422 00:58:58,875 --> 00:58:59,916 you look and all the exits are blocked 1423 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,833 because the people are running on -- on the court. 1424 00:59:02,916 --> 00:59:04,416 [commentator]: They're trying to get the Pacers to go back 1425 00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:05,750 to the locker room. 1426 00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:09,416 [laughs] It was crazy. It was crazy, 'cause, like, 1427 00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,541 it literally was like a movie, man. It was like a movie. 1428 00:59:13,625 --> 00:59:17,708 [commentator] You have these ridiculous fans trying to... 1429 00:59:17,791 --> 00:59:19,791 I remember Chuck ... trying to protect me, but m-- 1430 00:59:19,875 --> 00:59:23,250 I -- I wanted to go back in the stands again, 1431 00:59:23,333 --> 00:59:25,208 because more people was throwing beer and popcorn. 1432 00:59:25,291 --> 00:59:26,291 I'm like -- I'm trying to figure out -- 1433 00:59:26,375 --> 00:59:27,958 I'm trying to find the faces 1434 00:59:28,041 --> 00:59:30,291 of the person who threw the popcorn and who threw the -- 1435 00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:32,541 more beer and more soda, 1436 00:59:32,625 --> 00:59:34,791 'cause I'm ready to take on more people. 1437 00:59:34,875 --> 00:59:37,208 [commentator] Somebody could really get hurt. 1438 00:59:37,291 --> 00:59:38,416 [Stephen] We were coming off the courtand we had 1439 00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:39,958 just made it through the tunnel. 1440 00:59:40,041 --> 00:59:41,916 You know, from getting hit with soda, popcorn, 1441 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,041 all kind of stuff. 1442 00:59:43,125 --> 00:59:47,000 our adrenaline's still pumping and, uh... 1443 00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:48,000 Chuck Person's got Ron. He's bringing Ron. 1444 00:59:48,083 --> 00:59:50,250 There's a number of cameras right there. 1445 00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:51,125 [commentator] This is a bad showing from the 1446 00:59:51,208 --> 00:59:53,541 Pistons fans here. 1447 00:59:56,166 --> 00:59:57,750 [indistinct shouting] 1448 00:59:57,833 --> 01:00:00,291 I'm the mode at that point where, you know, I got -- 1449 01:00:00,375 --> 01:00:03,208 I had my brother's back. I'm proud of it. 1450 01:00:03,291 --> 01:00:05,791 So I'm looking at these people run and throw chairs and you 1451 01:00:05,875 --> 01:00:06,958 got people rocking chairs and, I mean, it just -- 1452 01:00:07,041 --> 01:00:10,000 stuff coming and people got these water bottles and 1453 01:00:10,083 --> 01:00:12,000 running up to us and just lining us up. 1454 01:00:12,083 --> 01:00:13,625 Would you be the person that go to my home 1455 01:00:13,708 --> 01:00:16,625 and tell my wife and my kids that their dad 1456 01:00:16,708 --> 01:00:19,375 is dead from one of these chairs that you see 1457 01:00:19,458 --> 01:00:21,625 on these camera angles? 1458 01:00:21,708 --> 01:00:23,875 When they -- we got whole iron chairs flying 1459 01:00:23,958 --> 01:00:25,416 and people throwing them at us. 1460 01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:26,291 [commentator] This is one of the worst scenes 1461 01:00:26,375 --> 01:00:27,416 I've ever seen. 1462 01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:30,541 This is a low moment in NBA history. 1463 01:00:30,625 --> 01:00:33,416 When I knew it was really bad was when 1464 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:37,208 we got in the locker room and Coach Brown... 1465 01:00:37,291 --> 01:00:39,583 You know, coaches always address the team after, 1466 01:00:39,666 --> 01:00:42,541 and Larry was crying. 1467 01:00:42,625 --> 01:00:45,041 He was crying. I looked at him, he was crying. 1468 01:00:45,125 --> 01:00:49,041 And when he finally calmed and came to, 1469 01:00:49,125 --> 01:00:52,041 he said that we gave the game a black eye, 1470 01:00:52,125 --> 01:00:55,750 um, tonight and we will always be remembered for that. 1471 01:00:55,833 --> 01:00:58,083 I'm sitting there looking at my socks. 1472 01:00:58,166 --> 01:01:00,875 Just blood everywhere, my legs are all scratched up. 1473 01:01:00,958 --> 01:01:02,375 And he -- and he's leaning back in the locker room 1474 01:01:02,458 --> 01:01:03,208 and he was like, "Jack... 1475 01:01:03,291 --> 01:01:06,083 [sighs] 1476 01:01:06,166 --> 01:01:07,416 You think we gonna get in trouble?" 1477 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:09,708 I asked Stephen that because I just wanted to [laughs] 1478 01:01:09,791 --> 01:01:14,958 confirm that we are in some ... trouble. 1479 01:01:15,041 --> 01:01:17,416 In my mind, I had a lot going on, 1480 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:18,750 and I remember asking this to room, 1481 01:01:18,833 --> 01:01:20,583 "Do you think we're gonna be suspended?" 1482 01:01:20,666 --> 01:01:23,208 Because I already been suspended so 1483 01:01:23,291 --> 01:01:24,041 many times already. 1484 01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:26,000 I say... 1485 01:01:26,833 --> 01:01:30,666 "Trouble? You lucky if we have a job." 1486 01:01:30,750 --> 01:01:32,666 And Jamal ... and everybody bust out laughing 'cause 1487 01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:35,916 they couldn't believe that he would ask this question. 1488 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,333 "Bro, we just beat up fans. We just went in the stands. 1489 01:01:38,416 --> 01:01:39,916 This has never been done before, okay? 1490 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:40,708 We brought the hood to Auburn Hills, okay? 1491 01:01:40,791 --> 01:01:43,125 This has never been done before. 1492 01:01:43,208 --> 01:01:44,958 You might've played your last basketball game, Ron. 1493 01:01:45,041 --> 01:01:46,666 Me -- [laughs] Me too. 1494 01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:48,208 We might be, uh, going overseas together, brother, 1495 01:01:48,291 --> 01:01:49,166 okay? 1496 01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:50,083 Uh, just letting you know. I -- 1497 01:01:50,166 --> 01:01:52,125 Now you know I'm your friend, okay?" 1498 01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,666 He definitely said, "We might not have a job again." 1499 01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:57,166 He definitely said that. 1500 01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:58,791 No, that was the dumbest question ever. 1501 01:01:58,875 --> 01:02:00,083 I don't know what he was thinking asking 1502 01:02:00,166 --> 01:02:01,041 that question, but that lets you know 1503 01:02:01,125 --> 01:02:02,458 he wasn't in his right mind at the time. 1504 01:02:02,541 --> 01:02:06,000 And I just went directly to him. 1505 01:02:06,083 --> 01:02:07,541 You know, I tried to fight him. 1506 01:02:07,625 --> 01:02:09,250 They really didn't make it to each other, 1507 01:02:09,333 --> 01:02:10,625 but he got up upset. 1508 01:02:10,708 --> 01:02:13,958 And it spiraled to J.O. 1509 01:02:14,041 --> 01:02:16,125 really did -- he was so mad at Ron that 1510 01:02:16,208 --> 01:02:18,125 he turned to the coaches 1511 01:02:18,208 --> 01:02:20,791 and said, "When we're fighting or get into a -- a argument 1512 01:02:20,875 --> 01:02:23,583 or a type of scuffle, do not grab us." 1513 01:02:23,666 --> 01:02:25,083 He's talking to the coaches. 1514 01:02:25,166 --> 01:02:26,625 So at that time, 1515 01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:28,958 the players and coaches charging each other. 1516 01:02:29,041 --> 01:02:30,541 And a c-- a couple of us jump in. 1517 01:02:30,625 --> 01:02:32,041 We're like, "No! No! No, no! We're here together!" 1518 01:02:32,125 --> 01:02:34,333 So it got bad. It got bad 1519 01:02:34,416 --> 01:02:36,708 and that comment sparked a lot of stuff in the locker room. 1520 01:02:36,791 --> 01:02:38,000 It sparked a lot. 1521 01:02:38,083 --> 01:02:40,666 [commentator]: And another incident for Ron Artest. 1522 01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:42,583 So unfortunate, and again, 1523 01:02:42,666 --> 01:02:46,416 the fan... Hopefully, security is able to get the fan 1524 01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,875 and he'll receive proper punishment. 1525 01:02:49,541 --> 01:02:51,208 I always liked Ron 1526 01:02:51,291 --> 01:02:57,791 because here was a guy who had realized the ultimate dream, 1527 01:02:57,875 --> 01:03:01,875 to make something of his life using basketball. 1528 01:03:01,958 --> 01:03:04,208 And then... 1529 01:03:04,583 --> 01:03:05,541 ...He threw it all away. 1530 01:03:05,625 --> 01:03:08,666 And for what purpose? 1531 01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:11,666 For a quick moment before I went to bed, 1532 01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:13,125 I had a moment. [laughs] 1533 01:03:13,208 --> 01:03:14,500 I was a little upset. 1534 01:03:14,583 --> 01:03:15,666 I might've cried a little bit. 1535 01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:17,916 But when I woke up, I'm like, "Yo, 1536 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,208 this is not my fault, man. 1537 01:03:19,291 --> 01:03:20,666 This guy was an asshole. 1538 01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:21,875 And what did you want me to do?" 1539 01:03:21,958 --> 01:03:25,166 The fan made a $50 bet 1540 01:03:25,250 --> 01:03:28,333 that he couldn't hit me. 1541 01:03:28,416 --> 01:03:31,041 So when John threw the cup, 1542 01:03:31,125 --> 01:03:35,416 um, he had to pay the fan that raised his hand $50. 1543 01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:38,291 So everybody's feeling sorry for this stupid-ass fan. 1544 01:03:38,375 --> 01:03:40,083 His ass made the $50 bet. 1545 01:03:40,166 --> 01:03:41,791 [John] That night, when I got home, 1546 01:03:41,875 --> 01:03:44,250 I was with a few of my buddies, and I could see my wife 1547 01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:46,458 sitting on the porch smoking a cigarette. 1548 01:03:46,541 --> 01:03:48,500 And I'm like, "Oh, this is not good," 1549 01:03:48,583 --> 01:03:50,291 'cause she doesn't smoke. [laughs] 1550 01:03:50,375 --> 01:03:52,333 And, uh, all she could say was, 1551 01:03:52,416 --> 01:03:54,583 "Did you guys have fun tonight?" 1552 01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:57,000 And, uh, I said, "Yeah, it was a good time." She goes, 1553 01:03:57,083 --> 01:03:59,791 "You and you and you need to get the ... out of here 1554 01:03:59,875 --> 01:04:01,250 and you need to come inside and watch." 1555 01:04:01,333 --> 01:04:02,833 She goes, "They're looking for you." 1556 01:04:02,916 --> 01:04:05,416 And sure enough, they're showing my face 1557 01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:09,291 with a halo over it saying, "We're looking for this guy." 1558 01:04:09,916 --> 01:04:11,958 [David] John Green will face two counts of assault and battery. 1559 01:04:12,041 --> 01:04:15,208 One involving a cup that struck Ron Artest 1560 01:04:15,291 --> 01:04:17,875 in the chest and face area. 1561 01:04:17,958 --> 01:04:20,375 The second is also an assault on Ron Artest 1562 01:04:20,458 --> 01:04:21,750 from behind when he struck him. 1563 01:04:21,833 --> 01:04:24,125 John Green, uh, we will depict 1564 01:04:24,208 --> 01:04:25,500 what, in my mind, single-handedly 1565 01:04:25,583 --> 01:04:29,583 incited this whole interaction between the fans and players, 1566 01:04:29,666 --> 01:04:31,416 and probably is the one that's, um, 1567 01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:32,625 most culpable. 1568 01:04:32,708 --> 01:04:35,208 [John] I mean, I threw a cup up in the air, you know? 1569 01:04:35,291 --> 01:04:36,291 I -- I... 1570 01:04:36,375 --> 01:04:37,583 They charged me with assault from throwing a cup 1571 01:04:37,666 --> 01:04:40,583 up in the air, you know? 1572 01:04:40,666 --> 01:04:42,250 Then they charged me with assault 1573 01:04:42,333 --> 01:04:43,916 for punching Ron Artest, 1574 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,541 which I didn't even understand, because he 1575 01:04:45,625 --> 01:04:47,291 came up into the stands and grabbing some kid 1576 01:04:47,375 --> 01:04:50,125 and I'm trying to defend this kid, so... 1577 01:04:50,208 --> 01:04:54,291 They -- They found me not guilty for throwing the cup 1578 01:04:54,375 --> 01:04:58,333 and they found me guilty for punching Ron Artest, so... 1579 01:04:58,416 --> 01:05:01,416 Then I was given, uh, 30 days in work release. 1580 01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:03,333 Ron Artest will face one count 1581 01:05:03,416 --> 01:05:06,125 of assault for mistakenly striking 1582 01:05:06,208 --> 01:05:10,666 and pushing and shoving the fan by the name of Mike Ryan. 1583 01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:11,625 [Donnie] I felt when he went into the stands, 1584 01:05:11,708 --> 01:05:12,916 that's automatic. 1585 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,125 So I knew there was gonna be suspensions. 1586 01:05:16,208 --> 01:05:20,166 Somebody hit him in the face with a, uh, drink 1587 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:24,166 and anywhere in the world, 1588 01:05:24,250 --> 01:05:26,500 you'd know, I throw a drink in this guy's face, 1589 01:05:26,583 --> 01:05:28,000 he's coming after me. 1590 01:05:28,083 --> 01:05:29,000 And he went after him 1591 01:05:29,083 --> 01:05:30,916 and that's what happened. It -- 1592 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:31,791 You know, he violated one of the biggest principles 1593 01:05:31,875 --> 01:05:35,458 of the game by going into the stands. 1594 01:05:35,541 --> 01:05:36,333 [Ron] It's not about the stands. 1595 01:05:36,416 --> 01:05:38,833 It was about somebody had a issue. 1596 01:05:38,916 --> 01:05:40,333 Somebody ... hit you. 1597 01:05:40,416 --> 01:05:44,208 His -- Whether it was at Starbucks [laughs] 1598 01:05:44,291 --> 01:05:50,041 or whether he was at, uh, IBM in the office 1599 01:05:50,125 --> 01:05:52,500 and then [laughs] 1600 01:05:52,583 --> 01:05:54,833 the mailroom guy [laughs] 1601 01:05:54,916 --> 01:05:56,958 throws a water in your face, 1602 01:05:57,041 --> 01:05:59,208 the CEO of IBM's gonna kick his ass. 1603 01:05:59,291 --> 01:06:02,750 [Mike] I'm always tempted to compare him to Tyson. 1604 01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:06,041 For Ron, like Tyson, there's always this 1605 01:06:06,125 --> 01:06:10,875 tacit expectation, "When's the guy gonna blow? 1606 01:06:10,958 --> 01:06:13,083 When's he gonna come undone? 1607 01:06:13,166 --> 01:06:15,083 When's he gonna go nuts?" 1608 01:06:15,166 --> 01:06:16,875 And that night, 1609 01:06:16,958 --> 01:06:19,041 in Detroit, you saw it. 1610 01:06:19,125 --> 01:06:20,708 [Ron] That had nothing to do with any 1611 01:06:20,791 --> 01:06:22,041 anger management issues. 1612 01:06:22,125 --> 01:06:23,541 In my neighborhood, you wasn't -- 1613 01:06:23,625 --> 01:06:25,041 you're not allowed to get bullied. Or if you been 1614 01:06:25,125 --> 01:06:26,875 bullied, you're never gonna let it happen again. 1615 01:06:26,958 --> 01:06:28,208 Your first reaction is, "See? 1616 01:06:28,291 --> 01:06:29,708 I knew that guy was gonna go crazy." 1617 01:06:29,791 --> 01:06:32,041 And for years and years, 1618 01:06:32,125 --> 01:06:36,041 this is not just what the league feared 1619 01:06:36,125 --> 01:06:39,416 or the sport feared or all American sports feared. 1620 01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,875 This is what middle America feared. 1621 01:06:41,958 --> 01:06:43,916 And, you know, the hammer had to come down. 1622 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,125 I announce the, uh, following suspensions, uh, resulting 1623 01:06:47,208 --> 01:06:49,833 from the actions at the Indiana Pacers 1624 01:06:49,916 --> 01:06:53,250 and the Detroit Pistons game on November 19th. 1625 01:06:53,333 --> 01:06:57,250 Uh, Indiana's Ron Artest has been suspended 1626 01:06:57,333 --> 01:06:59,833 for the remainder of the season. 1627 01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:05,500 Indiana's Stephen Jackson has been suspended for 30 games. 1628 01:07:05,833 --> 01:07:10,000 Indiana's Jermaine O'Neil has been suspended for 25 games. 1629 01:07:10,083 --> 01:07:11,916 I got the word on TV 1630 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,375 that I was suspended indefinitely. 1631 01:07:14,458 --> 01:07:16,541 And then, 1632 01:07:16,625 --> 01:07:18,083 I'm like, "Okay, I might never, ever 1633 01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,291 be in the NBA again." 1634 01:07:19,375 --> 01:07:21,250 Whatever assistance he has received to this point 1635 01:07:21,333 --> 01:07:23,916 did not keep him from doing something that was 1636 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,458 unforgivable on Friday night. 1637 01:07:26,541 --> 01:07:30,125 It was hard, it was hard, 'cause I lost my LA Gear deal. 1638 01:07:30,208 --> 01:07:34,083 I had my own sneaker. Carl's Jr. commercial's coming. 1639 01:07:34,166 --> 01:07:38,000 Um, a ESPN and TNT commercial, you know? 1640 01:07:38,083 --> 01:07:39,458 Um, the face -- 1641 01:07:39,541 --> 01:07:41,958 Well, one of the faces of my team at that time. 1642 01:07:42,041 --> 01:07:44,333 And one of the faces of the league at that time. 1643 01:07:44,416 --> 01:07:50,833 Players cannot lose control and go into the stands. 1644 01:07:50,916 --> 01:07:55,458 And, as a corollary, have to hold fans accountable 1645 01:07:55,541 --> 01:07:58,750 for their anti-social behavior as well. 1646 01:07:58,833 --> 01:08:01,083 [man] What was your personal reaction when you saw, 1647 01:08:01,166 --> 01:08:03,333 for the first time, what had happened Friday night? 1648 01:08:03,416 --> 01:08:09,208 Um, I would say shock, uh, and revulsion. 1649 01:08:11,125 --> 01:08:12,208 And fear. 1650 01:08:13,958 --> 01:08:15,791 [Lamar] I was upset. 1651 01:08:15,875 --> 01:08:18,833 I just didn't want him to always be remembered 1652 01:08:18,917 --> 01:08:21,708 for that incident. I mean, he gave so much to the game, 1653 01:08:21,792 --> 01:08:25,000 he worked so hard just to make it to the NBA, 1654 01:08:25,082 --> 01:08:26,542 as all of us have. 1655 01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:28,332 I just didn't want him to -- to remember that, 1656 01:08:28,417 --> 01:08:29,625 and I didn't think he deserved that. 1657 01:08:29,708 --> 01:08:30,833 [Ron] And after that happened, I said, "You know what? 1658 01:08:30,917 --> 01:08:32,958 I'm gonna retire." 1659 01:08:33,041 --> 01:08:36,708 So I started to promote my R&B album. 1660 01:08:36,792 --> 01:08:39,125 I had a great album at that time, too. 1661 01:08:39,207 --> 01:08:42,500 I produced a record, it was called Chapter III . 1662 01:08:42,582 --> 01:08:44,291 All R&B, Allure. 1663 01:08:44,375 --> 01:08:48,207 And I remember, when I had the brawl on November 19th, 1664 01:08:48,291 --> 01:08:50,375 the album came out on the 23rd. 1665 01:08:50,457 --> 01:08:51,542 That's not the image that David Stern 1666 01:08:51,625 --> 01:08:53,125 wants to put forth. He don't wanna put forth 1667 01:08:53,207 --> 01:08:54,291 a negative image, 1668 01:08:54,375 --> 01:08:55,833 and I've been working real hard on doing a lot of 1669 01:08:55,917 --> 01:08:57,207 positive things. 1670 01:08:57,291 --> 01:08:59,833 And, uh, you know, got this album coming out. 1671 01:08:59,917 --> 01:09:02,207 It's positive, it's about love, you know? 1672 01:09:02,291 --> 01:09:03,792 It's not rap, it's not hardcore. 1673 01:09:03,875 --> 01:09:07,375 But everything's positive and, uh, look at this. 1674 01:09:07,457 --> 01:09:10,582 -Ron, we -- we appreciate -- -Y'all have a good morning. 1675 01:09:10,667 --> 01:09:13,082 That album had to take a backseat. 1676 01:09:13,166 --> 01:09:15,041 We shelved it. 1677 01:09:16,291 --> 01:09:20,166 Well, he wasn't around. You know? 1678 01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:22,582 I got suspended 30 games, I came back. 1679 01:09:22,667 --> 01:09:23,500 I ended up coming back and playing. 1680 01:09:23,582 --> 01:09:24,082 We ended up going to the play-offs. 1681 01:09:24,166 --> 01:09:27,375 Ron wasn't around, so... 1682 01:09:27,457 --> 01:09:29,708 Nobody had seen him, nobody heard from him, you know? 1683 01:09:29,792 --> 01:09:32,875 Nobody -- nothing, so he kind of just, like, faded to black. 1684 01:09:32,958 --> 01:09:34,542 Well, I'm sure it killed Ronnie, 1685 01:09:34,625 --> 01:09:36,500 'cause Ronnie needed basketball. 1686 01:09:36,582 --> 01:09:37,792 He really did. 1687 01:09:37,875 --> 01:09:39,125 We would've won the championship, everybody 1688 01:09:39,207 --> 01:09:40,166 knows that. 1689 01:09:40,250 --> 01:09:41,582 Reggie would have a championship right now. 1690 01:09:41,667 --> 01:09:44,917 That's one thing I regret and I know he regrets too. 1691 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,667 But, uh... 1692 01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:48,332 that's just the way it went down. 1693 01:09:48,417 --> 01:09:51,250 [Jermaine] I never thought Ron was a bad person. 1694 01:09:51,332 --> 01:09:52,125 I never -- I never thought, even to this day, 1695 01:09:52,207 --> 01:09:53,375 I never thought Ron was a bad -- 1696 01:09:53,457 --> 01:09:56,457 I thought Ron didn't necessarily understand everything, 1697 01:09:56,542 --> 01:09:59,582 because he was still trying to understand himself, 1698 01:09:59,667 --> 01:10:01,792 so how do you expect for him to understand 1699 01:10:01,875 --> 01:10:04,625 other people's feelings and he's still reaching and 1700 01:10:04,708 --> 01:10:07,207 trying to grab help from other people? 1701 01:10:07,291 --> 01:10:09,250 And that's the part where I wish 1702 01:10:09,332 --> 01:10:12,792 I would've understood better as a teammate 1703 01:10:12,875 --> 01:10:15,125 instead of being angry as a teammate. 1704 01:10:15,207 --> 01:10:17,041 Ron kind of separated himself from everybody 1705 01:10:17,125 --> 01:10:19,082 because he felt like everybody was mad at him. 1706 01:10:19,166 --> 01:10:20,375 You know, he felt like everybody turned -- 1707 01:10:20,457 --> 01:10:22,332 turned their back on him. 1708 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,082 When he was eligible to play his first game, 1709 01:10:26,166 --> 01:10:27,667 it was a summer league game 1710 01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:30,082 and I actually flew to the game to cover it 1711 01:10:30,166 --> 01:10:32,332 and to watch him. And you could tell 1712 01:10:32,417 --> 01:10:33,500 that he was just different. 1713 01:10:33,582 --> 01:10:35,250 He really looked like he had put through the ringer. 1714 01:10:35,332 --> 01:10:38,417 He almost had, like, this glazed look about him 1715 01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:40,291 where maybe he was feeling the pressure of "Yeah, I'm g-- 1716 01:10:40,375 --> 01:10:42,457 I'm being given another chance, 1717 01:10:42,542 --> 01:10:44,250 I gotta try to make the most of it." 1718 01:10:44,332 --> 01:10:46,917 I mean, nothing changed that particular year. 1719 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,250 Um, you know, Ron was on the cover 1720 01:10:49,332 --> 01:10:51,082 of Sports Illustrated with Larry. 1721 01:10:51,166 --> 01:10:52,625 [Stephen] With all that he's been through, with all 1722 01:10:52,708 --> 01:10:54,082 that he's done, they stood behind him. 1723 01:10:54,166 --> 01:10:55,708 You know, we stood behind him. 1724 01:10:55,792 --> 01:10:57,833 And, uh, we felt we had a chance 1725 01:10:57,917 --> 01:11:00,041 to right our wrongs. 1726 01:11:00,958 --> 01:11:02,250 [Jermaine] It's about Ron right now, though. 1727 01:11:02,332 --> 01:11:04,750 It's about Ron. Ron Artest being back. 1728 01:11:04,833 --> 01:11:06,667 Ron Artest's back! All-star. 1729 01:11:06,750 --> 01:11:08,250 You are back. A lot of people wondered 1730 01:11:08,332 --> 01:11:10,332 how long it would take you to get back in your playing form. 1731 01:11:10,417 --> 01:11:11,667 How comfortable are you? 1732 01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:14,291 I'm real comfortable. You know, the team is doing well. 1733 01:11:14,375 --> 01:11:15,166 You know, we -- we ready to win and that's it. 1734 01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:16,542 That's what we come here to do 1735 01:11:16,625 --> 01:11:17,250 and, uh, that's about it. 1736 01:11:17,332 --> 01:11:21,917 We were practicing and, uh, 1737 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,667 all of a sudden, I -- I... 1738 01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:27,833 Ronnie comes out and says he wants to be traded. 1739 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:31,000 If you want the truth, I looked at the pages like 1740 01:11:31,082 --> 01:11:36,708 "I told you. I told you." 1741 01:11:36,792 --> 01:11:38,582 And... 1742 01:11:41,375 --> 01:11:46,332 It put an incredible divide between me and the Pacers. 1743 01:11:46,417 --> 01:11:48,500 I say, "Ronnie, did you just say you wanted to be traded?" 1744 01:11:48,582 --> 01:11:51,207 "Nah, nah, nah, I don't want to be traded." 1745 01:11:51,291 --> 01:11:53,457 And he again said it. 1746 01:11:53,542 --> 01:11:57,000 The reason I wanted out of Indiana was because, um... 1747 01:11:57,082 --> 01:11:58,750 I didn't really want out, I just couldn't deal 1748 01:11:58,833 --> 01:12:00,041 with the pressure. 1749 01:12:00,125 --> 01:12:01,250 So I couldn't just 1750 01:12:01,332 --> 01:12:04,917 go professionally to Donnie Walsh 1751 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,207 and to my agent and say, "Hey, I don't want to be in Indiana 1752 01:12:07,291 --> 01:12:09,000 because it's too much pressure." 1753 01:12:09,082 --> 01:12:12,207 I did it through the media. 1754 01:12:12,291 --> 01:12:13,875 I made excuses. 1755 01:12:13,958 --> 01:12:17,125 "This is really not a, um, a comfortable spot for me. 1756 01:12:17,207 --> 01:12:18,582 You know, is there any way you could help me 1757 01:12:18,667 --> 01:12:19,582 get traded?" 1758 01:12:19,667 --> 01:12:22,000 I'm really, um... 1759 01:12:22,082 --> 01:12:23,582 ...playing basketball and protecting myself from media, 1760 01:12:23,667 --> 01:12:28,041 and I'm protecting my, uh, mental, uh -- [laughs] 1761 01:12:28,125 --> 01:12:31,500 uh, stability. Um... 1762 01:12:31,582 --> 01:12:33,417 My guard is up. 1763 01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:36,417 You know, so it's so much -- so many things that was coming 1764 01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:38,542 with putting that Indiana Jersey on. 1765 01:12:38,625 --> 01:12:41,500 His action that night put this whole franchise in jeopardy 1766 01:12:41,582 --> 01:12:42,958 for a whole year, 1767 01:12:43,041 --> 01:12:45,457 and it was gonna take a lot of work to get it back up again. 1768 01:12:45,542 --> 01:12:49,667 And I thought, "And here, this guy is saying 1769 01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:51,667 'I want to leave?' 1770 01:12:52,417 --> 01:12:55,625 Okay, you can leave and we'll do it without you." 1771 01:12:57,082 --> 01:13:00,207 [Jermaine] I thought it was kind of... [sighs] 1772 01:13:00,291 --> 01:13:02,417 It was cheap by him, you know, breaking out on us. 1773 01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:03,332 It -- It pissed a lot of people off. 1774 01:13:03,417 --> 01:13:06,958 It pissed a lot of people off. 1775 01:13:11,708 --> 01:13:14,625 [Donnie] It was very hard to trade him because 1776 01:13:14,708 --> 01:13:17,500 it had gone out, like, "This guy's crazy." 1777 01:13:17,582 --> 01:13:20,375 And I remember thinking to myself that 1778 01:13:20,457 --> 01:13:25,250 somewhere along the line, there'll be a guy that will say 1779 01:13:25,332 --> 01:13:26,125 "That guy was the hardest playing guy 1780 01:13:26,207 --> 01:13:29,625 I ever saw in my life." 1781 01:13:29,708 --> 01:13:32,750 Out of nowhere, I got a call that, uh, 1782 01:13:32,833 --> 01:13:35,792 it was Sacramento would want to do a trade for him, 1783 01:13:35,875 --> 01:13:37,667 so we traded him. 1784 01:13:39,958 --> 01:13:41,207 [Ron] When I came back, 1785 01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:44,291 it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. 1786 01:13:44,375 --> 01:13:46,917 It was a lot of barbershop talk. 1787 01:13:48,250 --> 01:13:50,457 [commentator] It's an offensive foul. 1788 01:13:50,542 --> 01:13:54,500 Artest is down on the drive by Ginóbili. 1789 01:13:54,582 --> 01:13:57,207 Well, Ginóbili elbowed me in the mouth. 1790 01:13:57,291 --> 01:13:59,500 I had a big, 1791 01:13:59,582 --> 01:14:01,207 swollen lip 1792 01:14:01,291 --> 01:14:03,667 and had to get stitches. 1793 01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:05,000 Ginóbili deserved to be smacked in the back 1794 01:14:05,082 --> 01:14:06,625 of the head. 1795 01:14:06,708 --> 01:14:10,125 But I didn't. I just gave him an elbow to the chest, 1796 01:14:10,207 --> 01:14:13,500 said "You asshole." [laughs] 1797 01:14:13,582 --> 01:14:17,082 So that was, like, a situation where that's -- 1798 01:14:17,166 --> 01:14:19,833 People be reaching. It was definitely white or black. 1799 01:14:19,917 --> 01:14:23,457 You either like Ron at that time or you don't. 1800 01:14:52,457 --> 01:14:55,125 [man] Obviously, the, uh... 1801 01:14:55,207 --> 01:14:58,875 You know, the events of -- of this past Monday, uh, 1802 01:14:58,958 --> 01:15:03,750 remain a very, very serious issue, uh, going forward. 1803 01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:07,625 [Ron] First, I wanna, uh, 1804 01:15:07,708 --> 01:15:11,500 apologize to my wife, 1805 01:15:11,582 --> 01:15:12,708 to my family. 1806 01:15:18,792 --> 01:15:20,667 [breathing heavily] 1807 01:15:41,125 --> 01:15:43,207 [whispering] Take a minute. 1808 01:15:58,875 --> 01:16:01,875 I want to apologize to the Kings. [sniffling] 1809 01:16:03,917 --> 01:16:06,792 To my teammates, the NBA. 1810 01:16:06,875 --> 01:16:10,792 Everybody that, you know, supported me and, uh, 1811 01:16:10,875 --> 01:16:13,291 for another incident to come, uh, to come up 1812 01:16:13,375 --> 01:16:16,582 is very unfortunate. 1813 01:16:16,667 --> 01:16:19,166 I definitely want to apologize for my behavior. 1814 01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:21,917 You know, Ron Artest, uh, once again is, you know, 1815 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,708 in the media for something other than basketball. 1816 01:16:25,792 --> 01:16:26,875 I definitely apologize, once again, to the fans 1817 01:16:26,958 --> 01:16:28,708 hoping that, you know, Ron Artest can, you know, 1818 01:16:28,792 --> 01:16:30,833 pretty much stay on a straight path. 1819 01:16:30,917 --> 01:16:33,833 And, uh, I want to prove to them that I can. 1820 01:16:33,917 --> 01:16:35,792 I figured out that, uh, I need help. I figured that out. 1821 01:16:35,875 --> 01:16:39,500 And I figured out that in order to fix some, um, 1822 01:16:39,582 --> 01:16:41,332 people call them "demons" or "mental health issues" 1823 01:16:41,417 --> 01:16:46,417 or, um, "depression." 1824 01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:49,708 Or, um, the opposite of depression, "anxiety." 1825 01:16:49,792 --> 01:16:51,750 Right? Those were the things I had. 1826 01:16:53,375 --> 01:16:56,457 Yeah, hereditary, um... 1827 01:16:56,542 --> 01:17:00,207 Um, biological, and then also, environmental. 1828 01:17:00,291 --> 01:17:03,125 So many things that can mold anybody. 1829 01:17:03,207 --> 01:17:04,417 And I realized that, 1830 01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:08,082 so then just addressing all those different issues. 1831 01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:19,207 There's a lot of stigma when it comes to mental illness, 1832 01:17:19,291 --> 01:17:20,207 things like that. Well, it doesn't mean you can't 1833 01:17:20,291 --> 01:17:21,457 have a normal life. 1834 01:17:21,542 --> 01:17:23,833 Or a successful life. 1835 01:17:23,917 --> 01:17:25,375 Um, definitely, there was some damage control. 1836 01:17:25,457 --> 01:17:28,417 We had to do some of that. 1837 01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,250 And I remember not wanting to overnight change. 1838 01:17:32,332 --> 01:17:34,667 I wanted to just let it happen naturally. 1839 01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:35,375 You know, um, and then that's what happened. 1840 01:17:35,457 --> 01:17:37,417 You know, you just -- 1841 01:17:38,625 --> 01:17:39,958 People get over it. It was -- It took a long time for me. 1842 01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:45,291 I'm in Boston and I'm just there because 1843 01:17:45,375 --> 01:17:46,542 I want to see the game. 1844 01:17:46,625 --> 01:17:49,207 I also wanted to experience, um, 1845 01:17:49,291 --> 01:17:51,917 championship. 1846 01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:52,582 'Cause I'm like, "Oh, I'm getting older. 1847 01:17:52,667 --> 01:17:54,417 I need to get a ring. 1848 01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:56,417 So how is it gonna be when I get here?" 1849 01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:59,417 [commentator] After a 22-year absence, the Boston Celtics 1850 01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:02,082 are NBA champions once again. 1851 01:18:02,166 --> 01:18:05,082 Banner number 17, soon to be raised to the rafters. 1852 01:18:05,166 --> 01:18:08,582 [Ron] I felt bad for the Lakers 'cause Lamar's on that team. 1853 01:18:08,667 --> 01:18:10,792 So I go in there and I say to Phil, 1854 01:18:10,875 --> 01:18:15,082 "I want to say 'Good job' to Kobe. 1855 01:18:15,166 --> 01:18:17,750 Kobe's in the shower 1856 01:18:17,833 --> 01:18:20,166 and I don't feel like waiting around long." 1857 01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:22,792 I was naked in the shower and, um... 1858 01:18:22,875 --> 01:18:25,166 [laughs] I just -- I just hear my name 1859 01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:27,582 and I turn around and it's -- it's Ron. 1860 01:18:27,667 --> 01:18:29,500 He was just like, "Hey, 1861 01:18:29,582 --> 01:18:31,750 I'm -- I'm gonna come help you. I'm gonna come join you. 1862 01:18:31,833 --> 01:18:34,875 This is not gonna happen again. I got you." 1863 01:18:34,958 --> 01:18:38,582 Obviously, I would love to play with Kobe, but, um... 1864 01:18:38,667 --> 01:18:41,207 I'd much rather play against Kobe. 1865 01:18:41,291 --> 01:18:42,792 The next season, he went to the Rockets. 1866 01:18:42,875 --> 01:18:43,958 You know, gave us some headaches. 1867 01:18:44,041 --> 01:18:47,792 [commentator] Ron and Kobe pushing on each other. 1868 01:18:47,875 --> 01:18:50,125 Pushing and shoving Ron and elbowing Kobe. 1869 01:18:50,207 --> 01:18:51,917 Kobe, right back at Ron. Ron, back at Kobe. 1870 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,625 I think a lot of players let him get away with stuff 1871 01:18:55,708 --> 01:18:57,875 because he's so strong and, you know, 1872 01:18:57,958 --> 01:19:00,000 tends to scare people a lot. 1873 01:19:00,082 --> 01:19:02,542 Um, but every time he hit me with a elbow, 1874 01:19:02,625 --> 01:19:04,000 I threw one right back at him, twice as hard. 1875 01:19:04,082 --> 01:19:06,917 [commentator] Boy, Bryant threw that arm out 1876 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,125 and Artest will not back down to anybody. 1877 01:19:10,207 --> 01:19:15,332 And then he started talking trash. And I said, "You know..." 1878 01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:18,667 I said, "Ron, is this something you're sure you want to do?" 1879 01:19:18,750 --> 01:19:20,958 He said, "Oh, I..." I said, "Excuse me? 1880 01:19:21,041 --> 01:19:22,833 Okay." And then I went and proceeded to score 1881 01:19:22,917 --> 01:19:25,542 whatever next point straight or whatever and 1882 01:19:25,625 --> 01:19:27,792 winded up winning the game. 1883 01:19:27,875 --> 01:19:29,833 [commentator] Ron pokes it away, Kobe tracks it down, 1884 01:19:29,917 --> 01:19:32,833 spins left, shoots ... three at the buzzer, nails it. 1885 01:19:32,917 --> 01:19:35,417 He basically let Ron run right past him 1886 01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:38,291 so he could get an open look at a three... 1887 01:19:38,375 --> 01:19:39,041 [whistle] 1888 01:19:39,125 --> 01:19:41,667 [commentator] Loose ball for ... 1889 01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:44,750 I love Kobe. Yeah, Kobe's my man. 1890 01:19:44,833 --> 01:19:46,792 But at that time, we're super competitive. 1891 01:19:46,875 --> 01:19:48,375 [commentator]: Ron Artest against Kobe Bryant. 1892 01:19:48,457 --> 01:19:50,958 He's gotta be very careful that he does not get a technical. 1893 01:19:51,041 --> 01:19:53,667 He said that, uh, he's gonna go over here. 1894 01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:55,291 He's talking to Kobe. 1895 01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:56,166 Wow, here -- here we go. 1896 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,082 Uh oh. 1897 01:19:58,166 --> 01:20:00,625 I just kept thinking, "Don't get ejected." 1898 01:20:00,708 --> 01:20:01,958 That's all I kept thinking. "It's play-offs. 1899 01:20:02,041 --> 01:20:03,207 Don't get ejected." 1900 01:20:03,291 --> 01:20:05,000 [commentator] He went right over to Bryant. 1901 01:20:05,082 --> 01:20:08,667 Artest has, uh, gotten very, very upset. 1902 01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:11,207 I think they have thrown Ron Artest out of the game. 1903 01:20:11,291 --> 01:20:14,041 I don't think that shit should've surprised anybody. 1904 01:20:14,125 --> 01:20:15,667 You know what I'm saying? You've got two 1905 01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:19,542 strong-headed alpha males. 1906 01:20:26,082 --> 01:20:27,542 [man] Yeah, Ron, Kobe, was quoted as saying 1907 01:20:27,625 --> 01:20:30,625 he's "not sure you're -- Lakers are a better team with you." 1908 01:20:30,708 --> 01:20:33,332 Do you feel you have to win him over? 1909 01:20:33,417 --> 01:20:35,542 Uh, I gotta win myself over first. 1910 01:20:35,625 --> 01:20:37,875 I gotta -- I gotta make sure I, um... 1911 01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:39,082 I'm doing everything. 1912 01:20:39,166 --> 01:20:41,417 It's not a given. The Lakers -- He's right. 1913 01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:44,250 There's not a given that just 'cause you -- 1914 01:20:44,332 --> 01:20:46,792 you add me to a team, you know, it was just gonna be, 1915 01:20:46,875 --> 01:20:48,792 you know, the number one team. 1916 01:20:48,875 --> 01:20:50,500 We gotta put that work in. 1917 01:20:50,582 --> 01:20:54,417 I was in a position where the Houston Rockets 1918 01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:55,667 didn't bring me back. 1919 01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:58,250 The Lakers was the only team that offered a contract, 1920 01:20:58,332 --> 01:20:59,291 so what am I gonna do? 1921 01:20:59,375 --> 01:21:01,207 [Lamar] I didn't think they knew what to think. 1922 01:21:01,291 --> 01:21:03,166 Not too many people... 1923 01:21:04,166 --> 01:21:06,708 ...had the competitive skill or the heart enough 1924 01:21:06,792 --> 01:21:09,417 to stand, um, stand up against Kobe like that. 1925 01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:13,207 [Kobe] The first time I saw him when he joined our team, 1926 01:21:13,291 --> 01:21:15,207 I told him, I said, "Listen, 1927 01:21:15,291 --> 01:21:18,041 you're coming here to replace a player that was like a 1928 01:21:18,125 --> 01:21:20,875 brother to me and still is to this day. 1929 01:21:21,542 --> 01:21:23,958 Like, Trevor came here and played lights-out for us. 1930 01:21:24,041 --> 01:21:26,625 He didn't miss a three in the play-offs, 1931 01:21:26,708 --> 01:21:29,291 and he was tenacious on defense. 1932 01:21:29,375 --> 01:21:31,917 And showed up to work every single day, 1933 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,125 came to practice early, stayed at practice late. 1934 01:21:34,207 --> 01:21:35,958 And this is who you're coming in here to replace. 1935 01:21:36,041 --> 01:21:39,625 So I better not get any bullshit from you." 1936 01:21:39,708 --> 01:21:42,291 And it was really that direct and him understanding this is 1937 01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:45,958 not a place to come in and goof around or 1938 01:21:46,041 --> 01:21:47,500 to act out or anything like that. 1939 01:21:47,582 --> 01:21:49,291 I'm expecting you to be extremely sharp 1940 01:21:49,375 --> 01:21:53,207 and be extremely crisp and I won't have it another way. 1941 01:21:53,291 --> 01:21:56,708 [Mark] I think they provide a very interesting symbiosis. 1942 01:21:56,792 --> 01:22:02,500 However tough Kobe wants to be seen, he's a middle-class kid 1943 01:22:02,582 --> 01:22:05,166 who's fluent in Italian, who's seen the world, 1944 01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:07,125 who has a sense of -- of -- of culture. 1945 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:10,667 And you have Ron... 1946 01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:12,417 ...from the projects... 1947 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:14,125 ...who's scary. 1948 01:22:14,207 --> 01:22:16,958 And that season, they found something together. 1949 01:22:17,041 --> 01:22:19,917 I knew practice was gonna be intense because 1950 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,125 if he's anything how I am, I'm intense in practice. 1951 01:22:22,207 --> 01:22:25,166 I build up hate for whoever's on the other side. 1952 01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:27,291 Um, so -- But Kobe was always -- 1953 01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:29,000 we was always on the same team, 1954 01:22:29,082 --> 01:22:32,041 so [laughs] I had to somehow take the hate 1955 01:22:32,125 --> 01:22:34,166 that I went into practice with for Kobe 1956 01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:38,875 and turn it into... You know, and turn it into love. 1957 01:22:38,958 --> 01:22:40,958 [Kobe] Like, on defense, we knew we can get after guys 1958 01:22:41,041 --> 01:22:42,708 and just scare the living shit out of them. 1959 01:22:42,792 --> 01:22:44,332 We knew that. 1960 01:22:44,417 --> 01:22:45,792 We'd said, "Okay, we're gonna go get this player. 1961 01:22:45,875 --> 01:22:48,041 Let's just make his night a complete living hell. 1962 01:22:48,125 --> 01:22:49,875 Let's just harass him, let's beat him up, 1963 01:22:49,958 --> 01:22:52,250 let's intimidate him." And we -- 1964 01:22:52,332 --> 01:22:53,291 we'd have fun doing that. 1965 01:22:55,375 --> 01:22:56,041 [commentator] Bryant shoots... 1966 01:22:56,125 --> 01:22:58,542 ...and comes up short. Artest... 1967 01:22:58,625 --> 01:23:01,625 [cheering] 1968 01:23:01,708 --> 01:23:04,041 [commentator] Ron Artest! 1969 01:23:04,125 --> 01:23:05,207 [Lamar] That was like a dream come true. 1970 01:23:05,291 --> 01:23:07,625 I knew we were gonna win -- I knew I was gonna win 1971 01:23:07,708 --> 01:23:11,041 a championship ring with somebody that I grew up with. 1972 01:23:11,125 --> 01:23:13,457 So I was kind of looking forward to that. 1973 01:23:18,291 --> 01:23:19,708 [Kobe] On the finals, he had a thing with Paul going back 1974 01:23:19,792 --> 01:23:23,375 to his days in Indiana. 1975 01:23:23,457 --> 01:23:25,041 Right? I -- I think that's kind of where it started. 1976 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:28,582 Game one, right during the tip-off, 1977 01:23:28,667 --> 01:23:31,917 they get tangled up like this, like fighting for position 1978 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,457 and the ball go up. They fighting for position 1979 01:23:33,542 --> 01:23:35,667 and they throw each other down. Shit like that. 1980 01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:37,166 They always went at it. 1981 01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:39,833 [commentator] Pierce and Artest already grappling. 1982 01:23:39,917 --> 01:23:43,250 It took 27 seconds for these two to go at it a bit. 1983 01:23:43,332 --> 01:23:45,250 He would cheap-shot Paul all the time and 1984 01:23:45,332 --> 01:23:47,041 be extremely physical with Paul. 1985 01:23:47,125 --> 01:23:50,667 Um, but to Paul's credit, Paul didn't back down. 1986 01:23:50,750 --> 01:23:51,500 [commentator] I don't know if they deserve 1987 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,457 the technicals, but that's a heck of a takedown by Artest. 1988 01:23:55,542 --> 01:23:58,417 And I was in a zone that play-off series. 1989 01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:01,375 ♪intense music 1990 01:24:05,667 --> 01:24:09,542 [cheering] 1991 01:24:14,207 --> 01:24:15,958 I wasn't getting a lot of shots, but I was in a zone. 1992 01:24:16,041 --> 01:24:18,958 And I wanted to stay there. 1993 01:24:19,542 --> 01:24:20,750 [whistle] 1994 01:24:21,250 --> 01:24:23,542 [cheering] 1995 01:24:26,041 --> 01:24:27,125 That was the only thing I was trying to do was 1996 01:24:27,207 --> 01:24:29,291 protect the zone that I was in. 1997 01:24:29,375 --> 01:24:30,332 [Kobe] I think, for him, it was 1998 01:24:30,417 --> 01:24:31,417 the mental aspect of the game. 1999 01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:34,125 He used to let a lot of things affect him. 2000 01:24:34,207 --> 01:24:37,082 Previous plays, uh, 2001 01:24:37,166 --> 01:24:38,625 bad shot turnover, he would carry it with him 2002 01:24:38,708 --> 01:24:40,332 to the next play. 2003 01:24:40,417 --> 01:24:44,125 And what he saw from me is how I wouldn't do that. 2004 01:24:44,207 --> 01:24:45,291 I'd stay in the moment. 2005 01:24:45,375 --> 01:24:46,875 [Ron] I was only different psychologically 2006 01:24:46,958 --> 01:24:49,375 when I was a Laker because I had more help. 2007 01:24:49,457 --> 01:24:51,833 So all the work that Donnie Walsh did, 2008 01:24:51,917 --> 01:24:54,166 and all the work that my counselors did, 2009 01:24:54,250 --> 01:24:55,625 it led me up to the Lakers. 2010 01:24:55,708 --> 01:24:57,332 [Donnie] Well, I hope that we had something to do with that. 2011 01:24:57,417 --> 01:24:59,332 That was a -- a tough price to pay for it. 2012 01:24:59,417 --> 01:25:04,833 Without your mental health, I mean, you can't do shit. 2013 01:25:04,917 --> 01:25:06,166 You can't be yourself. 2014 01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:07,332 You can only be a shell of yourself. 2015 01:25:07,417 --> 01:25:11,667 And I think Ron realized that and he realized to 2016 01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:13,500 get where he needed to go in life, he had to be right. 2017 01:25:13,582 --> 01:25:18,750 [Ron] It happened over time for me. I was determined. 2018 01:25:18,833 --> 01:25:21,833 After I got over the anger management 2019 01:25:21,917 --> 01:25:26,500 counseling sessions, it became sports psychology because 2020 01:25:26,582 --> 01:25:29,875 I never had a chance to just focus on the game. 2021 01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:34,542 You know? So when I was able to get past everything else, 2022 01:25:34,625 --> 01:25:35,457 then it was like, 2023 01:25:35,542 --> 01:25:36,625 "How am I focused in the fourth quarter?" 2024 01:25:36,708 --> 01:25:38,875 It became fun. 2025 01:25:45,332 --> 01:25:47,792 [Lamar] It's game seven in LA. 2026 01:25:47,875 --> 01:25:48,833 Paul Pierce is from LA. 2027 01:25:48,917 --> 01:25:51,625 There's no way we can let him walk out there 2028 01:25:51,708 --> 01:25:53,708 with that trophy. 2029 01:25:53,792 --> 01:25:56,166 The night before, I called Dr. Santhi and said, 2030 01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:59,582 "I need you to come tomorrow." [laughs] 2031 01:25:59,667 --> 01:26:02,000 And she hopped on the flight, came from Houston. 2032 01:26:02,082 --> 01:26:05,041 We had a session after the shoot-around. 2033 01:26:13,833 --> 01:26:15,582 Well, we just talked about, um, I hated Paul Pierce. 2034 01:26:15,667 --> 01:26:17,625 [laughs] 2035 01:26:17,708 --> 01:26:19,917 That's really what that was about. I'm not gonna lie. 2036 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,041 I hated Paul Pierce. 2037 01:26:22,125 --> 01:26:23,166 Not because I hated him as a person. 2038 01:26:23,250 --> 01:26:25,207 On the court, like I said, I have to build up hate. 2039 01:26:25,291 --> 01:26:27,792 But that hate, it -- it got in the way. 2040 01:26:27,875 --> 01:26:30,332 I did not want it getting in -- in the way. 2041 01:26:30,417 --> 01:26:32,125 [Lamar] And it was -- it was just real intense. 2042 01:26:32,207 --> 01:26:33,750 It was tooth and nail. 2043 01:26:33,833 --> 01:26:38,582 We couldn't rely on Kobe just to get it done. 2044 01:26:38,667 --> 01:26:40,582 [commentator] Bryant nearly falls, gets back up, 2045 01:26:40,667 --> 01:26:43,500 ... puts it up, and it grazes the rim. 2046 01:26:43,582 --> 01:26:45,582 Artest with the rebound! 2047 01:26:45,667 --> 01:26:47,250 [Ron] I just wanted to be focused on the game. 2048 01:26:47,332 --> 01:26:48,457 That's all I wanted. 2049 01:26:48,542 --> 01:26:51,708 And one of the things that we practiced was breathing. 2050 01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:56,625 Don't matter if you're fighting for post position, 2051 01:26:56,708 --> 01:26:58,958 don't matter if it's shooting a free throw, 2052 01:26:59,041 --> 01:27:01,750 don't matter if you're locking somebody up or dunking, 2053 01:27:01,833 --> 01:27:03,000 the breath was always the same. 2054 01:27:03,082 --> 01:27:06,708 [indistinct shouting] 2055 01:27:06,792 --> 01:27:07,958 -No more threes! -Hey! 2056 01:27:08,041 --> 01:27:11,291 Kobe switched up, and then when -- when ... came down, 2057 01:27:11,375 --> 01:27:13,291 you didn't switch! 2058 01:27:13,375 --> 01:27:14,166 Come on, now! This shit ain't over! 2059 01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:15,667 Let's end it! We gotta end it! 2060 01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:19,291 And I'm just taking the same breaths. Throughout the game, 2061 01:27:19,375 --> 01:27:21,291 no matter how fast the game is going. 2062 01:27:21,375 --> 01:27:24,125 It was a technique that we practiced, 2063 01:27:24,207 --> 01:27:27,917 and it took me a while to master, you know. 2064 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,625 And I was able to do that throughout the play-offs. 2065 01:27:30,708 --> 01:27:32,250 [commentator] Coming up on a minute remaining. 2066 01:27:32,332 --> 01:27:33,750 I've had teammates in the past that were scared 2067 01:27:33,833 --> 01:27:34,792 to shoot that ball. 2068 01:27:34,875 --> 01:27:37,917 And, uh... You know, when I kicked it to him 2069 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,041 and he loaded up to shoot the ball... 2070 01:27:39,125 --> 01:27:41,875 [Ron] Paul, he took one step back, I came back. 2071 01:27:41,958 --> 01:27:44,708 I was just kind of like, "Go in, go in, go in, go in." 2072 01:27:44,792 --> 01:27:46,750 It wasn't so much like "Don't shoot it." 2073 01:27:46,833 --> 01:27:50,000 It was more like "Just go in." 2074 01:27:50,582 --> 01:27:52,000 [commentator] Bryant looking. 2075 01:27:52,082 --> 01:27:53,875 Artest, that's a three. 2076 01:27:53,958 --> 01:27:57,041 [cheering] 2077 01:27:57,125 --> 01:27:59,625 Lakers by six... 2078 01:27:59,708 --> 01:28:00,833 [Lamar] I was right there. 2079 01:28:00,917 --> 01:28:02,000 I was ready for him to swing it one more time, 'cause I was 2080 01:28:02,082 --> 01:28:04,667 ready to shoot that bitch. 2081 01:28:05,166 --> 01:28:08,582 And he got it, and he lined up like he always does, 2082 01:28:08,667 --> 01:28:10,833 straight up, and he made it. 2083 01:28:10,917 --> 01:28:14,291 [commentator] The Lakers repeat back-to-back titles! 2084 01:28:14,375 --> 01:28:18,625 The LA Lakers, the 2010 NBA champions! 2085 01:28:19,625 --> 01:28:22,667 First, I want to thank everybody in my hood. 2086 01:28:23,166 --> 01:28:26,417 [N.O.R.E.] When I seen him do that -- [laughs] 2087 01:28:26,500 --> 01:28:28,207 I just... 2088 01:28:28,291 --> 01:28:29,082 ...I just looked and I just looked at all 2089 01:28:29,166 --> 01:28:32,041 my Queensbridge buddies, 2090 01:28:32,125 --> 01:28:34,125 And I just remember just 2091 01:28:34,207 --> 01:28:35,875 looking at my guys, you know. 2092 01:28:35,958 --> 01:28:39,000 Being honored, like, how do you -- how do you do that? 2093 01:28:39,082 --> 01:28:40,833 How do you win, like, one of the biggest honors 2094 01:28:40,917 --> 01:28:43,542 and you shout-out 2095 01:28:43,625 --> 01:28:47,166 one of the craziest projects in the world. 2096 01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:51,332 Notorious. People definitely don't want to go there. 2097 01:28:51,417 --> 01:28:54,750 And you stand there and you shout them out. 2098 01:28:54,833 --> 01:28:56,958 I definitely want to thank my doctor, Dr. Santhi, 2099 01:28:57,041 --> 01:28:59,082 my, um, my psychiatrist. 2100 01:28:59,166 --> 01:29:01,125 I started laughing. [laughs] 2101 01:29:01,207 --> 01:29:03,833 Only Ronnie would get up and thank his psychiatrist 2102 01:29:03,917 --> 01:29:05,250 for winning the championship. 2103 01:29:05,332 --> 01:29:08,041 She really helped me relax a lot. 2104 01:29:08,125 --> 01:29:09,417 Thank you so much. 2105 01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:12,625 [Mark] To me, it was his three-pointers 2106 01:29:12,708 --> 01:29:14,582 that saved the game, 2107 01:29:14,667 --> 01:29:18,917 beat the Boston Celtics in the seventh game at Staples. 2108 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,917 Saved Kobe's reputation. At least, in part. 2109 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,500 And what does he do? The guy thanks his shrink. 2110 01:29:26,582 --> 01:29:30,082 If that's not an evolved man, I don't know what is. 2111 01:29:30,166 --> 01:29:32,332 [Ron] So difficult to play... 2112 01:29:32,417 --> 01:29:34,667 And so much commotion going on in the play-offs, 2113 01:29:34,750 --> 01:29:36,291 and she helped me relax. 2114 01:29:36,375 --> 01:29:37,625 I thank you so much. 2115 01:29:37,708 --> 01:29:39,833 -Ron, you were able to hit -- -I knocked down that three 2116 01:29:39,917 --> 01:29:40,875 just like you told me. 2117 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:48,792 Who gets to have his worst part seen 2118 01:29:48,875 --> 01:29:51,500 on national TV 2119 01:29:51,582 --> 01:29:53,708 and rescue himself 2120 01:29:53,792 --> 01:29:56,291 by copping to it? 2121 01:29:56,375 --> 01:29:59,291 "Okay, I'm a little crazy. 2122 01:29:59,375 --> 01:30:02,125 I -- I -- I don't use the term casually. 2123 01:30:02,207 --> 01:30:04,207 But okay, you got -- I'm -- 2124 01:30:04,291 --> 01:30:07,375 I gotta take my meds. I'm gonna thank my shrink." 2125 01:30:07,457 --> 01:30:10,125 How many people are big enough to say that? 2126 01:30:10,207 --> 01:30:12,542 [cheering and shouting] 2127 01:30:15,457 --> 01:30:17,542 One of the best defenders of all time. 2128 01:30:17,625 --> 01:30:19,291 You saw it this series. 2129 01:30:19,375 --> 01:30:21,375 One of the best ever! 2130 01:30:21,457 --> 01:30:22,917 Ever! 2131 01:30:26,667 --> 01:30:28,833 [Ron] I got Wheaties! 2132 01:30:28,917 --> 01:30:33,166 I got a Wheaties box! Get my Wheaties box. 2133 01:30:33,250 --> 01:30:34,875 I got Wheaties! 2134 01:30:34,958 --> 01:30:37,166 -You don't seem excited! -[laughter] 2135 01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:39,207 I'm leaving! 2136 01:30:40,582 --> 01:30:42,291 Y'all don't seem excited. I'm all excited. 2137 01:30:42,375 --> 01:30:44,792 I feel like a -- I feel like the oddball. 2138 01:30:44,875 --> 01:30:48,625 I never saw Ron that happy or that -- that excited. 2139 01:30:48,708 --> 01:30:50,667 Hey, people over there on your laptops! 2140 01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:52,000 [laughter] 2141 01:30:52,082 --> 01:30:53,625 Hey! 2142 01:30:53,708 --> 01:30:55,958 Hey, all the way over there on your laptop! 2143 01:30:56,041 --> 01:30:58,457 -Acknowledge me, please! -[laughter] 2144 01:30:58,542 --> 01:30:59,166 Hey! 2145 01:30:59,250 --> 01:31:01,457 It was he was like -- Like -- 2146 01:31:01,542 --> 01:31:03,667 like in a manic state, so to speak. 2147 01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:05,457 This is Diamond, my daughter, and my wife. 2148 01:31:05,542 --> 01:31:06,833 This my son, Jeron. 2149 01:31:06,917 --> 01:31:08,708 This is my sister, Angelica. 2150 01:31:08,792 --> 01:31:09,958 She got to meet Kobe, she's so happy. 2151 01:31:10,041 --> 01:31:12,207 This is my mom. 2152 01:31:12,291 --> 01:31:13,542 This is my big daughter. 2153 01:31:13,625 --> 01:31:16,207 -Where's Ron-Ron? -Ron-Ron's with Kobe. 2154 01:31:16,291 --> 01:31:18,125 Ron-Ron's with Kobe? 2155 01:31:18,207 --> 01:31:19,582 My other son's with Kobe instead of me, huh? 2156 01:31:19,667 --> 01:31:23,542 All right, whatever. This is my dad. 2157 01:31:23,625 --> 01:31:26,041 You see his muscles? 2158 01:31:26,125 --> 01:31:29,750 I think the championship validated me because... 2159 01:31:31,375 --> 01:31:33,875 ...the career that I was supposed to have, I had. 2160 01:31:33,958 --> 01:31:35,332 I hit a big-ass shot. 2161 01:31:35,417 --> 01:31:38,958 He passed me the ball. He never passes me the ball. 2162 01:31:39,041 --> 01:31:41,250 And he passed me the ball. 2163 01:31:41,332 --> 01:31:45,000 Kobe passed me the ball. And I shot a three. 2164 01:31:45,082 --> 01:31:47,457 If ... shoot the three, I heard him. 2165 01:31:47,542 --> 01:31:49,417 And he's the zen master, so he can speak to you without... 2166 01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:50,750 [laughter] You know? 2167 01:31:50,833 --> 01:31:53,332 He can speak to you, and he don't need a microphone, 2168 01:31:53,417 --> 01:31:54,375 he just -- You can hear him in your head. 2169 01:31:54,457 --> 01:31:55,875 "Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot." 2170 01:31:55,958 --> 01:31:57,000 [laughter] 2171 01:31:57,082 --> 01:31:59,291 I said, "Whatever. Bong!" 2172 01:31:59,375 --> 01:32:02,750 Whoo! Yes! 2173 01:32:02,833 --> 01:32:05,082 [Stephen] Everything he does is -- is sincere. 2174 01:32:05,166 --> 01:32:07,250 As misunderstood as he is, 2175 01:32:07,332 --> 01:32:08,582 I think he felt it meant more to him, 2176 01:32:08,667 --> 01:32:11,082 and it would mean more coming from him 2177 01:32:11,166 --> 01:32:14,958 to these people if I'm thanking you at my highest point. 2178 01:32:15,041 --> 01:32:17,457 I'm winning the championship, I got a ring. 2179 01:32:17,542 --> 01:32:19,250 I got all eyes on me. 2180 01:32:19,332 --> 01:32:22,250 When I was younger, I bailed out on my Indiana team. 2181 01:32:22,332 --> 01:32:25,000 I was so young, so egotistical, 2182 01:32:25,082 --> 01:32:28,875 and I bailed out on Donnie, um, 2183 01:32:28,958 --> 01:32:31,250 Larry, Jermaine... 2184 01:32:31,332 --> 01:32:34,166 I wanted to let them know, like, you know, on -- 2185 01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:36,750 national TV, like, you know, "Thank you. 2186 01:32:36,833 --> 01:32:39,041 Um, and I appreciate you guys and always wish 2187 01:32:39,125 --> 01:32:40,291 I could've won with you guys, 2188 01:32:40,375 --> 01:32:42,417 and thank you guys." 'Cause they was always there for me. 2189 01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:45,958 I think, at that time, in 2010, um, 2190 01:32:46,041 --> 01:32:47,082 it was still very raw. 2191 01:32:47,166 --> 01:32:50,041 You know, we were still, you know, still on the -- 2192 01:32:50,125 --> 01:32:51,625 on the probation. 2193 01:32:51,708 --> 01:32:54,457 You know, um, we were still the team with a lot of 2194 01:32:54,542 --> 01:32:56,625 remnants of -- of -- of that situation. 2195 01:32:56,708 --> 01:32:59,958 And then to see him do everything he did 2196 01:33:00,041 --> 01:33:01,457 leading up into the brawl 2197 01:33:01,542 --> 01:33:04,958 and then basically have our team dismantled 2198 01:33:05,041 --> 01:33:09,082 because of that, to go to another team and win it... 2199 01:33:09,875 --> 01:33:12,000 That's a hard pill to -- That's a hard pill to swallow. 2200 01:33:12,082 --> 01:33:14,500 And I feel some -- sometimes like a coward, you know, 2201 01:33:14,582 --> 01:33:16,625 when I see those guys, 'cause it's like man, 2202 01:33:16,708 --> 01:33:17,750 now I'm on the Lakers, we got a chance to win. 2203 01:33:17,833 --> 01:33:19,833 I had a chance to win with you guys, you know? 2204 01:33:19,917 --> 01:33:23,207 And I feel, you know, almost like a coward. 2205 01:33:23,291 --> 01:33:27,000 God says, "Forgive -- Forgive everybody." 2206 01:33:27,082 --> 01:33:28,291 But at the time, I had never even had 2207 01:33:28,375 --> 01:33:30,457 a conversation with Ron. 2208 01:33:30,542 --> 01:33:34,417 I was not happy for him when he won the championship. 2209 01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:36,291 The next person I'm about -- I'm about to bring out, 2210 01:33:36,375 --> 01:33:38,958 I've known since I was 12 years old. 2211 01:33:39,041 --> 01:33:41,166 -Um -- -[cheering] 2212 01:33:41,250 --> 01:33:45,250 Uh, we come from the same family tree in New York City 2213 01:33:45,332 --> 01:33:47,833 of basketball, and, uh, I just want to let him know 2214 01:33:47,917 --> 01:33:49,833 that his family's proud of him. 2215 01:33:49,917 --> 01:33:52,207 The one and only, Ron Artest. 2216 01:33:52,291 --> 01:33:54,917 [cheering] 2217 01:34:04,082 --> 01:34:06,207 I really don't care about the ring. I just wanted to win. 2218 01:34:06,291 --> 01:34:08,875 I hate losing. 2219 01:34:08,958 --> 01:34:09,958 The -- the ring's not important. 2220 01:34:10,041 --> 01:34:11,082 I don't even wear jewelry. 2221 01:34:11,166 --> 01:34:14,041 So, um, so what else can you do with the ring? 2222 01:34:14,125 --> 01:34:17,041 So I had interest in helping people, you know, who -- 2223 01:34:17,125 --> 01:34:19,542 or trying to bring awareness to, you know, mental health 2224 01:34:19,625 --> 01:34:20,708 and everything like that. 2225 01:34:20,792 --> 01:34:22,582 And I was like, "Wow, you know maybe the ring" 2226 01:34:22,667 --> 01:34:24,041 and then it was that simple. I was like, "Yeah, it's perfect" 2227 01:34:24,125 --> 01:34:28,750 You know, uh, that's something that can, um, help others. 2228 01:34:28,833 --> 01:34:31,708 Something materialistic, you know. 2229 01:34:31,792 --> 01:34:35,582 We raffled it. The strategy was to raise 2230 01:34:35,667 --> 01:34:37,332 enough money to give back to 2231 01:34:37,417 --> 01:34:39,542 some mental health institutions. 2232 01:34:39,625 --> 01:34:43,250 P. Diddy said he would pay $220,000 for it -- [laughs] 2233 01:34:43,332 --> 01:34:46,332 which is pretty cool. I said, "That's not gonna be enough." 2234 01:34:46,417 --> 01:34:49,917 And I raised $670,000 in three months. 2235 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,582 And the person who won the raffle, his mom 2236 01:34:51,667 --> 01:34:52,582 had mental health issues. 2237 01:34:52,667 --> 01:34:57,082 It's Ron being Ron, you know? 2238 01:34:57,166 --> 01:34:59,750 He -- he's gonna say or do a lot of things that most people 2239 01:34:59,833 --> 01:35:03,207 would look at and be like, "What?" 2240 01:35:03,291 --> 01:35:06,082 But he's doing it from his heart. 2241 01:35:06,166 --> 01:35:10,500 Yes, how's everybody doing today? Yes. 2242 01:35:10,582 --> 01:35:12,250 I went through, um, parenting counseling, 2243 01:35:12,332 --> 01:35:14,250 I went through anger management counseling, 2244 01:35:14,332 --> 01:35:17,332 I went through marriage counseling, and I was like, 2245 01:35:17,417 --> 01:35:20,708 "It was so expensive, but it helped me." 2246 01:35:20,792 --> 01:35:24,291 So I'm like, "How can a kid in East LA, 2247 01:35:24,375 --> 01:35:26,000 in Queensbridge projects, 2248 01:35:26,082 --> 01:35:27,750 in Detroit, you know, in Little Rock, Arkansas, 2249 01:35:27,833 --> 01:35:31,417 how can they get the same help, you know, 2250 01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:32,332 that I've -- that I've gotten? 2251 01:35:32,417 --> 01:35:34,875 You know, without paying so much." 2252 01:35:34,958 --> 01:35:37,291 You should never be surprised with Ron Artest's -- 2253 01:35:37,375 --> 01:35:39,917 what Ron Artest does. 2254 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,917 You know, most of the things that he does is -- 2255 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,082 is selfless. 2256 01:35:43,166 --> 01:35:48,625 Let's not lose sight of the completely unpredictable 2257 01:35:48,708 --> 01:35:52,625 beauty in the arc of his story. 2258 01:35:52,708 --> 01:35:56,833 He starts off in Queensbridge 2259 01:35:56,917 --> 01:36:00,041 with his father beating him up to toughen him. 2260 01:36:00,125 --> 01:36:04,207 We know that he's impaired, and he ends up 2261 01:36:04,291 --> 01:36:08,082 winning the title, thanking his shrink. 2262 01:36:08,166 --> 01:36:09,207 How great is that? 2263 01:36:09,291 --> 01:36:10,792 And when you think of mental health, you know, 2264 01:36:10,875 --> 01:36:12,917 I don't think you have to be, um, 2265 01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,166 you know afraid. It doesn't mean you're crazy. 2266 01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:18,542 That just means that, you know, um, you have 2267 01:36:18,625 --> 01:36:20,542 some issues in your life and you're a young teenager 2268 01:36:20,625 --> 01:36:21,833 or a young kid, 2269 01:36:21,917 --> 01:36:27,166 you know, that does not know how, you know, to handle it. 2270 01:36:27,250 --> 01:36:29,332 And... 2271 01:36:29,417 --> 01:36:31,750 This is gonna be a way where, I think, you know, 2272 01:36:31,833 --> 01:36:33,917 you'll be able to talk to somebody about your problems. 2273 01:36:39,457 --> 01:36:42,375 I reached out to some Twitter followers saying, 2274 01:36:42,457 --> 01:36:45,750 "Anybody that can find me this man, I'll take you to lunch." 2275 01:36:45,833 --> 01:36:48,792 I didn't say his name because 2276 01:36:48,875 --> 01:36:50,375 I didn't want people to think I'm looking for John Green 2277 01:36:50,457 --> 01:36:51,000 for a fight. 2278 01:36:51,082 --> 01:36:52,875 It was in the summertime. 2279 01:36:52,958 --> 01:36:55,708 We were actually getting ready to go out jetskiing. 2280 01:36:55,792 --> 01:36:58,958 This fan said, "I found a number, you owe me lunch." 2281 01:36:59,041 --> 01:37:02,750 I called the number, his wife answered. 2282 01:37:02,833 --> 01:37:04,542 I told her who I was, she was like, "Get the F out of here. 2283 01:37:04,625 --> 01:37:07,082 Stop playing a prank." 2284 01:37:07,166 --> 01:37:10,041 She was like, "Excuse me? This is who? What? 2285 01:37:10,125 --> 01:37:13,125 I'm -- I'm, like, looking at her going, "Who is it?" 2286 01:37:13,207 --> 01:37:14,875 And, uh, 2287 01:37:14,958 --> 01:37:17,000 she looks at me with her eyes and her kind of mouth 2288 01:37:17,082 --> 01:37:19,082 wide open and she's kind of handing me the phone 2289 01:37:19,166 --> 01:37:21,250 and she goes, "It's Ron." 2290 01:37:21,332 --> 01:37:23,166 I said, "Ron? Ron who?" And she goes, 2291 01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:24,708 "It's Ron Artest." 2292 01:37:24,792 --> 01:37:26,833 So I grabbed the phone, I said, "Hello?" 2293 01:37:26,917 --> 01:37:28,417 So I hear this voice on the other end of the phone, 2294 01:37:28,500 --> 01:37:31,457 real soft-spoken. 2295 01:37:31,542 --> 01:37:33,917 He says, "Hey, John?" And I said, "Yeah." 2296 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:34,582 And he goes, "Hey, this is Ron." 2297 01:37:34,667 --> 01:37:37,000 John answers the phone. 2298 01:37:37,082 --> 01:37:39,542 "Hey, Ron. What's up?" Like he knew I was calling. 2299 01:37:39,625 --> 01:37:40,917 This guy's crazy. 2300 01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,750 I was amazed that this guy actually went to the trouble 2301 01:37:43,833 --> 01:37:48,708 to pick up that, you know, 400 lb phone 2302 01:37:48,792 --> 01:37:50,457 and make a phone call to me. 2303 01:37:50,542 --> 01:37:52,542 I mean, I -- I thought about it for a long time, 2304 01:37:52,625 --> 01:37:54,082 and I was like, "Man, that's really amazing." 2305 01:37:54,166 --> 01:37:56,750 I reached out to John Green because... 2306 01:37:57,833 --> 01:38:00,917 Just to, like, get rid of, um, animosity and stuff. 2307 01:38:01,041 --> 01:38:05,958 I just don't like to hold grudges too long. 2308 01:38:06,041 --> 01:38:07,166 Some things don't make it right, 2309 01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:09,250 some things you take back. 2310 01:38:09,332 --> 01:38:14,500 John was a alcoholic and he had taken AA meetings. 2311 01:38:15,166 --> 01:38:18,875 He was going through things with his family. 2312 01:38:18,958 --> 01:38:21,250 And who knows what the kid who actually made the bet 2313 01:38:21,332 --> 01:38:23,291 was going through. [laughs] 2314 01:38:23,375 --> 01:38:28,250 So us three, we're pretty stupid-ass people. 2315 01:38:28,332 --> 01:38:29,457 [John] We were able to talk a lot about the -- the -- 2316 01:38:29,542 --> 01:38:30,958 that night. 2317 01:38:31,041 --> 01:38:34,250 He shared with me that he's gone through some 2318 01:38:34,332 --> 01:38:38,667 mental illness and, uh, he's been seeing a counselor and 2319 01:38:38,750 --> 01:38:41,166 I've been through a lot of the same situations myself, 2320 01:38:41,250 --> 01:38:45,125 you know, with, uh, I'm a recovering alcoholic. 2321 01:38:45,207 --> 01:38:48,207 I remember turning on the TV maybe four, five years ago 2322 01:38:48,291 --> 01:38:51,625 and I saw him and the guy, um... 2323 01:38:51,708 --> 01:38:55,207 basically are friends now. 2324 01:38:55,875 --> 01:38:59,457 And that touched me the wrong way. 2325 01:38:59,542 --> 01:39:03,625 Because that impacted a lot of people. 2326 01:39:03,708 --> 01:39:04,667 That was very personal to me. 2327 01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:05,833 I watched -- I -- it's hard to watch a city 2328 01:39:05,917 --> 01:39:07,375 be stripped down like that. 2329 01:39:07,457 --> 01:39:09,958 Out of all the times that I tried to reach out to Ron, 2330 01:39:10,041 --> 01:39:13,166 I tried to be a good teammate to him, 2331 01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:16,166 and then you go and you reach out to this guy. 2332 01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:19,125 Literally reached out and found -- found the guy. 2333 01:39:19,207 --> 01:39:20,833 But never spoke to me. 2334 01:39:20,917 --> 01:39:24,667 So that was -- that was a problem. 2335 01:39:26,833 --> 01:39:29,375 [Ron] And Jermaine always, always was there for me. 2336 01:39:29,457 --> 01:39:30,708 Always -- always was there for me. 2337 01:39:30,792 --> 01:39:33,457 More than anyone. 2338 01:39:34,125 --> 01:39:35,542 [Jermaine] He got my number. 2339 01:39:35,625 --> 01:39:37,625 He's reached out to me multiple times talking 2340 01:39:37,708 --> 01:39:39,750 about his regrets towards me and the Pacers and -- 2341 01:39:39,833 --> 01:39:42,000 And I knew it was really -- 2342 01:39:42,082 --> 01:39:44,457 he's really thinking about this. 2343 01:39:45,332 --> 01:39:49,875 And our friendship is now just starting. 2344 01:39:51,041 --> 01:39:55,457 [Ron] It's years and years and years of psychology 2345 01:39:55,542 --> 01:39:57,542 and then, um... 2346 01:39:59,082 --> 01:40:00,250 ...and that's it. "Content" is a great word. 2347 01:40:00,332 --> 01:40:01,875 I love content. Content is very important. 2348 01:40:01,958 --> 01:40:03,958 A lot of people's not content. 2349 01:40:04,041 --> 01:40:08,375 Metta is receiving the mental health heroes award 2350 01:40:08,457 --> 01:40:12,542 because of his courage and willingness to come forward 2351 01:40:12,625 --> 01:40:15,250 and talk about mental health. 2352 01:40:15,332 --> 01:40:16,750 This is not common, as you know, 2353 01:40:16,833 --> 01:40:20,000 amongst professional athletes. 2354 01:40:20,082 --> 01:40:23,375 But Metta is setting the tone and bringing attention 2355 01:40:23,457 --> 01:40:25,250 to mental health disorders 2356 01:40:25,332 --> 01:40:27,917 and the importance of seeking help. 2357 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,166 So ladies and gentlemen, please welcome 2358 01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:32,582 Metta to the podium. 2359 01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:35,750 [cheers and applause] 2360 01:40:38,332 --> 01:40:41,082 [Ron] I was affected by mental health. 2361 01:40:41,166 --> 01:40:43,500 Uh, my dad had functioned on medication. 2362 01:40:43,582 --> 01:40:45,917 My auntie has been in institutions 2363 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,708 since she was -- since I was 10 2364 01:40:47,792 --> 01:40:49,792 and I'm 38 now. And, um, 2365 01:40:49,875 --> 01:40:52,958 and one of her sons has been locked away in institutions. 2366 01:40:53,041 --> 01:40:55,750 My little sister is, um, uh, 2367 01:40:55,833 --> 01:40:58,125 been in and out of institutions since she was 13. 2368 01:40:58,207 --> 01:41:00,291 She's about 23, 24 now. 2369 01:41:00,375 --> 01:41:02,125 And she's trying to get off medication and 2370 01:41:02,207 --> 01:41:06,332 trying to make a life for herself. And so... 2371 01:41:06,417 --> 01:41:09,375 I'm like, "The way I played defense 2372 01:41:09,457 --> 01:41:11,291 is the way I attack this." 2373 01:41:11,375 --> 01:41:14,750 It was the last day of my game with the Lakers. 2374 01:41:14,833 --> 01:41:17,917 I was post-traumatic syndrome. 2375 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,542 I was going through a little bit. 2376 01:41:19,625 --> 01:41:20,958 I'm like, "Oh, my goodness. What am I -- 2377 01:41:21,041 --> 01:41:22,457 what am I gonna do? I have nothing to do this morning. 2378 01:41:22,542 --> 01:41:24,917 I'm not preparing for a next season next year." 2379 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:26,792 And that was kind of haunting. 2380 01:41:26,875 --> 01:41:29,792 I got myself together 2381 01:41:29,875 --> 01:41:33,291 and I called, uh, UCLA. 2382 01:41:33,375 --> 01:41:35,332 I said, "I want to go back to school." 2383 01:41:35,417 --> 01:41:38,166 And I went to UCLA and took digital analytics. 2384 01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:42,000 Then I signed up for a coding class, 2385 01:41:42,082 --> 01:41:43,917 with technology being very important. 2386 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,833 So I got a digital marketing team 2387 01:41:45,917 --> 01:41:47,250 and my digital marketing team, 2388 01:41:47,332 --> 01:41:50,625 I mean, we can do anything, you know? 2389 01:41:50,708 --> 01:41:52,917 Books... [laughs] 2390 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,000 ...sneakers -- [laughs] We can market anything. 2391 01:41:56,082 --> 01:41:58,000 Can I have a hug before you go? 2392 01:41:58,082 --> 01:42:00,958 You all right? You good? Give me a hug. 2393 01:42:01,041 --> 01:42:03,500 I'm happy with my kids. My kids are doing well. 2394 01:42:03,582 --> 01:42:06,750 They're smart, and I'm so proud of my children. 2395 01:42:06,833 --> 01:42:08,708 Happy with where -- where I'm at. 2396 01:42:08,792 --> 01:42:11,417 I got a pretty simple lifestyle. [laugh] 2397 01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:12,207 It's not too complicated. 2398 01:42:12,291 --> 01:42:15,457 Don't worry about fucking up. 2399 01:42:15,958 --> 01:42:18,542 Get your basketball body going. 2400 01:42:18,625 --> 01:42:20,375 If you've got two people in front of you, 2401 01:42:20,457 --> 01:42:23,833 if you've got a little bit of space, attack that shit. 2402 01:42:23,917 --> 01:42:27,250 Great thing to my mind about Ron Artest, 2403 01:42:27,332 --> 01:42:29,207 the everlasting accomplishment 2404 01:42:29,291 --> 01:42:33,291 is that you see athletes all the time 2405 01:42:33,375 --> 01:42:38,417 come back from drugs, come back from orthopedic ruin, 2406 01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:41,542 come back from jail time. 2407 01:42:41,625 --> 01:42:46,000 Who comes back from what we dismiss as crazy? 2408 01:42:46,082 --> 01:42:49,625 You know how much balls it takes to come back from crazy? 2409 01:42:51,125 --> 01:42:52,625 [Ron] People evolve, man. That's -- that's it. 2410 01:42:52,708 --> 01:42:54,250 People evolve. 2411 01:42:54,332 --> 01:42:57,250 It took a long time to get there... 2412 01:42:57,332 --> 01:43:00,125 ...to be great. [laughs] 2413 01:43:00,207 --> 01:43:02,917 I never thought I would be able to laugh about it. 2414 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:06,582 And it wasn't a consistently great career, stats-wise, 2415 01:43:06,667 --> 01:43:08,250 but it was definitely a great moment, 2416 01:43:08,332 --> 01:43:11,833 and that's gonna go down in history. It's recorded. 2417 01:43:11,917 --> 01:43:16,582 Interterrestrial aliens don't really give a shit. [laughs] 2418 01:43:16,667 --> 01:43:19,582 But we down here on Earth give a shit. 2419 01:43:19,667 --> 01:43:22,082 Hell of a moment. 2420 01:43:22,166 --> 01:43:24,582 Unless, somehow, all the electricity goes out 2421 01:43:24,667 --> 01:43:25,792 in the world, 2422 01:43:25,875 --> 01:43:29,708 that moment's gonna be replayed a long time. 2423 01:43:32,875 --> 01:43:35,375 ♪It's the Q to the B with the M-O-B-B♪ 2424 01:43:35,457 --> 01:43:38,417 ♪Queensbridge Brooklyn and we D-double-E-P♪ 2425 01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:40,082 ♪Y'all wish I lived the life I live♪ 2426 01:43:40,166 --> 01:43:43,500 ♪Ayo Prodigy, tell 'em what this is Dunn♪ 2427 01:43:43,582 --> 01:43:44,792 Somebody asked him one day, 2428 01:43:44,875 --> 01:43:49,792 "Who's the illest player you ever played against?" 2429 01:43:49,875 --> 01:43:51,708 He said, "Mike Chatfield." 2430 01:43:51,792 --> 01:43:53,332 Yo, listen to me. 2431 01:43:53,417 --> 01:43:56,625 I was in DFY with Mike Chatfield. 2432 01:43:56,708 --> 01:43:57,542 I could ne-- Listen. 2433 01:43:57,625 --> 01:44:00,417 I could never steal the ball from him. 2434 01:44:00,500 --> 01:44:03,082 Like, I was good at, like, getting the ball. 2435 01:44:03,166 --> 01:44:04,457 He would just be like this -- 2436 01:44:04,542 --> 01:44:08,291 So when he said that, I was like, "Ahh!" 2437 01:44:08,375 --> 01:44:09,667 He said Mike Chatfield! 2438 01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:11,625 He could've said he played against Michael Jordan 2439 01:44:11,708 --> 01:44:13,125 was the hardest person he played against. 2440 01:44:13,207 --> 01:44:15,750 He could've said Kobe! He could've said LeBron! 2441 01:44:15,833 --> 01:44:20,000 He said Mike fucking Chatfield, yo! 2442 01:44:20,082 --> 01:44:23,207 That's amazing! I was in jail with him! 2443 01:44:23,291 --> 01:44:24,375 ...I'm so sorry. 2444 01:44:24,457 --> 01:44:27,291 I went too far. I went too far. 2445 01:44:27,375 --> 01:44:29,041 Okay, let's get back to the question. 2446 01:44:29,125 --> 01:44:30,792 What was it? You didn't even ask that question. 2447 01:44:30,875 --> 01:44:33,332 I'm so-- I'm so sorry I went there. 2448 01:44:33,417 --> 01:44:35,000 [commentator] He's not the perfect player, 2449 01:44:35,082 --> 01:44:38,082 he's not the perfect person, but anybody who knows him well 2450 01:44:38,166 --> 01:44:42,125 swear by his loyalty and what a big heart he has. 2451 01:44:42,207 --> 01:44:45,792 ♪Yo, Sevada d-d-drop that beat♪ 2452 01:44:45,875 --> 01:44:49,542 ♪minimal synth beats♪ 2453 01:44:54,833 --> 01:44:57,375 ♪♪♪ 2454 01:45:04,917 --> 01:45:06,332 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2455 01:45:06,417 --> 01:45:09,625 ♪ Artest, back to three-three♪ 2456 01:45:09,708 --> 01:45:12,207 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2457 01:45:12,291 --> 01:45:14,542 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2458 01:45:14,625 --> 01:45:16,332 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2459 01:45:16,417 --> 01:45:19,457 ♪ Artest, back- back to three♪ 2460 01:45:19,542 --> 01:45:21,500 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2461 01:45:21,582 --> 01:45:24,375 ♪ Back to three back to three♪ 2462 01:45:24,457 --> 01:45:26,792 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2463 01:45:26,875 --> 01:45:29,207 ♪ Artest, back to three-three♪ 2464 01:45:29,291 --> 01:45:31,667 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2465 01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:34,875 ♪ Artest, back to three♪ 2466 01:45:34,958 --> 01:45:37,417 ♪minimal synth beats♪ 2467 01:45:44,457 --> 01:45:46,457 ♪♪♪ 2468 01:45:58,041 --> 01:46:01,457 ♪♪♪ 181150

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