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- They asked me what I do.
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I said, well, I play the guitar.
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They said, well, are you in a
group?
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- Ladies and Gentlemen,
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here are The Ventures.
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- I love The Ventures.
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- I know you do.
- This is like
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one of my favorite groups in
history.
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- Certainly for us guitarists,
Jeff Beck, myself and Eric,
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we've all played Ventures
material when we were kids.
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- The Ventures.
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In the sixth grade in grammar
school,
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every boy in my class could
play "Wipeout" on his desk.
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- "Wipeout".
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- Those instrumentals led the
way.
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- They have recorded 3,000
songs.
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They have written 1,000 songs.
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- They took other people's
songs and made them way better.
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- All we have to do is hum
"Hawaii Five-O"
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or "Walk Don't Run"
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and the person's instantly
like, oh yeah, I know that.
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- Of course I know that.
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- They're the number one
song instrumental group
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in the history of the music.
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- There was no language barrier.
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It was just movement.
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- The guitar has arrived
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and The Ventures are the
messengers.
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- None of the rest of us would
be here
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without The Ventures.
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- I think like every band in the
world
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had Walk Don't Run in their set.
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- Everyone wants to get that
sound.
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It just speaks to you
directly to the soul.
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- It just as magic to me.
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- This is surf music
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and The Ventures were a
really important part of it.
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- This was like everything
I was aspiring to.
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- The Ventures always made me
feel like I wanted to dance,
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pick up a guitar and
just look really cool.
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- When I was younger I wanted to
learn
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how to play the trombone.
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I thought the trombone had
such a mellow sound, you know.
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It was Tommy Dorsey that I
really liked.
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I started playing it
in junior high school.
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Then when I went into the Army,
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I went to Germany.
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They said, I see you play the
trombone.
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Would you like to go into the
band?
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No, i don't think so.
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Biggest mistake I ever made in
my life.
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Use to wake you up at three
or four o'clock in the morning
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for a 20 mile hike.
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Then we'd go out on
what they call biv-wack.
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You would march and you'd
stay out for about a week.
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And I'm talking winter time.
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After about three months
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I'm thinking I'm going to
try to get in the band.
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I'll be darned if I
didn't have my orders cut
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to go to the band.
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They called me out and said,
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I guess you're going to the
band.
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We got the orders that
your request came through.
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So, then I was in the band.
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And it was really good.
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I really enjoyed that.
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And I did meet a guy that was in
the band.
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He played the glockenspiel,
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which is bells.
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And he played a guitar
and he was kind of jazzy
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and I played a few chords on a
guitar
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that I learned from my
mom, believe it or not.
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He was with some trio that you
might know,
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the Page Cavenaugh Trio.
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So, he taught me some kind of
jazzy chords
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and stuff like that.
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I never did pick up a guitar
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for awhile until I met Bob
Bogle.
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I was working in my dad's car
lot
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and I was considered to be the
lot boy.
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Bob Bogle came in one time.
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I didn't know him at all.
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And he wanted to buy a car.
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He said, how about that car
over there, he'd point to.
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And I said, nah, you don't want
that car.
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You know, I was a terrible
salesman.
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A good salesman would say
yeah, that's the car for you.
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He and I got to talking
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and we got along real good.
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And so, I asked him.
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I said, what do you do.
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He said, well, I'm in
the bricklayer trade.
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He got me a job.
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The first thing I did
was I was a hod carrier.
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As a lot of people know,
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it rains a lot in Tacoma and
Seattle,
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so a lot of times, if
you're working outside
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replacing the mortar between
bricks,
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a lot of times you can't work.
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Bob and I, we thought
what are we going to do.
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You told me you play a little
bit of guitar and so do I.
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Why don't we buy a couple of
guitars
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and when we're not working out
of town
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we have nothing to do anyway.
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Might as well try to learn
how to play the guitar.
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In 1959 we bought two guitars
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in a pawn shop in Tacoma,
Washington
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and we probably paid $10
or $15 a piece for them.
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And the strings were, I don't
know,
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half and inch from the neck.
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Those guitars were so hard to
play
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but we bought chord books and
things
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and learned everything we could
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and then we thought we'd step
out
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and pay a down payment
on some Fender guitars,
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which we did.
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- I think something that really
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set The Ventures sound
apart from other groups
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is how they utilized two guitars
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to really fill out their sound.
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- Normally, you think of
there's the lead guitar
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and the rhythm guitar.
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And the lead is always in the
front
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and the rhythm's in the
background
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and thought of as not as
important
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but in The Ventures both guitars
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were always just as important.
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- There was only two of us
to begin with, two guitars.
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I tried to make up for not
having a drum
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and he tried to make up
for not having a keyboard.
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You know, by using the whammy
bar.
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Make it wavy.
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- The guy playing the lead,
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which I believe was Bob Bogle
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but I didn't know that then,
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but the guitar was really
twanging.
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It was going .
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- The lead was great
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but the rhythm parts were
always just as interesting.
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- Don Wilson is a really
interesting rhythm player.
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I looked at his amp settings.
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He's got the high end cranked
all the way
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and he's got the low end
cranked all the way off
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and he's playing it
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and it's a percussive sound.
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- Just the rhythm man.
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- It was just straight ahead.
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- Mostly downstrokes.
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Not
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I never did that.
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- That kind of rhythm was
unheard of.
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And when I was a kid,
nobody played like that.
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- I mean, I just really beat
hard.
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- He didn't just strum a chord.
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He didn't just play Apreggios.
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He always made it interesting by
muting,
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adding reverb and making it
a little more percussive.
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- Me playing real hard rhythm
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and him playing that kind of
style,
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when we got a bass and drummer,
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it just stuck.
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We thought we were hey,
versatile,
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so we called ourselves The
Versatones.
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And we went to register the name
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and by god, it was already
taken,
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otherwise we'd be The
Versatones.
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For about two weeks,
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we called ourselves The Impacts.
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I remember that.
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And then my mom said, you know,
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you guys are venturing into
something new.
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Why don't you call
yourselves The Ventures?
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I said, well, that's pretty
corny.
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But anyway that kind of stuck
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and we said, well, okay.
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We'll call ourselves The
Ventures.
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We'd play for anybody
that wanted to hear it.
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If somebody's having a party,
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can we come and play?
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We weren't quite good
enough to play for clubs
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and there was only the two of
us.
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So, we entered a lot of talent
contests,
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which are really a popularity
contest.
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In those days you had to do
something more
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than just play music.
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I mean, a lot of times
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a drummer would put on some
gorilla mask or something
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and act like a fool,
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which that just wasn't our way.
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We played some pretty rough
places.
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We worked at a place called the
Blue Moon.
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We worked there probably for a
month
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and then we worked at the Java
Jive for,
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I don't know how long,
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maybe a month, month and a
half something like that.
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At night I'd be at the
Britannia every Saturday.
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The Britannia, boy that was a
rough place.
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That was where they had a lot
of soldiers from Fort Lewis
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and Canadian soldiers that
were training at Fort Lewis.
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There must have been five fights
a night,
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beer bottles flying.
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They had actually a
police car out in front.
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When a fight broke out,
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they would go get these
people, put them in the car.
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They'd just wait until
they got about five of them
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and then they'd take them all to
jail.
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When we played there,
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we played from noon until
midnight.
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It did us a lot of good though,
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because we had to have quite a
repertoire
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and not keep playing the same
things over and over again.
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We saved enough to go into the
studio
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and we were $25 short.
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I asked,
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I went to my dad.
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I said, can I borrow $25.
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I can't remember the exact
phrase he said
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but he said, not only am I
not going to give you money,
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I don't want you wasting your
time
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trying to play that guitar.
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But my mom was a big, big
supporter.
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- Josie had been a singer
earlier in her life
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and appreciated music,
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saw a talent.
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- I thought well, I think
they probably deserve a chance
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to see maybe if they can make a
record.
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- And she was a pioneer
in the music business.
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She produced and promoted The
Ventures
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with the original Blue Horizon
label.
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- She said, you know, if
no body wants you guys,
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why don't we start our own
record company?
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So we did, Blue Horizon.
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My mom wrote "Cookies and Coke".
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That was our first record.
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- There was a woman involved
in the beginning of their band
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and she worked really hard for
them
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and she was really smart
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and she made decisions and
pursued the radio station.
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She really pursued things for
them
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and I think that that's really
special for us as women too.
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- Yeah.
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- There was no women in
the business at that time,
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especially producing.
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I'm sure she was unique
and maybe the first one.
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- She paved the way for other
bands to do it on their own.
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- She started the fan
club and she worked it
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while she was doing production
and everything else.
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- As a little kid I would write
to Josie
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and ask her questions about
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when's the next record coming
out
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and all this stuff.
254
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And she would write me back.
255
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She would send me a personal
letter.
256
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- Josie was influential,
257
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stood behind The Ventures,
258
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gave them every opportunity.
259
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She was the biggest fan.
260
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- To measure what she
contributed
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is immeasurable, really.
262
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- Don's mom was awesome.
263
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- So, then we found a song
264
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that was on a vinyl record of
Chet Atkins
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called "Walk Don't Run".
266
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And he played it in a jazzy
finger-style.
267
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We'd only been playing for six
months.
268
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We couldn't do that.
269
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- We weren't professional enough
270
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to play the song the way it was
written.
271
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It was too complicated for us.
272
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- So, we Venturized it.
273
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- Written in 1954 by Johnny
Smith,
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recorded in 1957 by Chet Atkins
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and regarded by Rolling Stone
magazine
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as one of the hundred greatest
guitar songs of all time.
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I give you "Walk Don't Run".
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- We'd have to always do that
song
279
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three or four, five times a
night
280
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because people just loved
hearing it.
281
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So, we decided to record that.
282
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- I did take them to a studio in
Seattle.
283
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Joe Boles Custom Recorders.
284
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- It was a two track.
285
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The bass and the drum on one
track
286
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and you did the rhythm
and the lead on the other.
287
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I remember his echo chamber
288
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was a microphone hanging on
the shower in his shower room.
289
00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,597
He said, I'm going to try
something with you guys.
290
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I'm going to put a microphone
right there
291
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where you're picking
292
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and I want to see if I
can't get the pick sound,
293
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you know picking the strings.
294
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Anyway, he got a great sound out
of us.
295
00:14:01,008 --> 00:14:02,275
- Bob Bogle played lead.
296
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Don Wilson played rhythm.
297
00:14:03,576 --> 00:14:05,578
And Nokie Edwards played bass.
298
00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:10,650
- I was working with a
country artist, Buck Owens.
299
00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:13,887
Don and Bob came in the
club where I was working
300
00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:15,555
and saw me play
301
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and liked the way I played.
302
00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,828
And asked me if I wanted
to join up with them.
303
00:14:21,929 --> 00:14:24,965
- He was just outstanding
as a guitar player.
304
00:14:25,065 --> 00:14:26,666
We asked him if he'd play the
bass
305
00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:29,536
and he said that he would and he
did.
306
00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:31,071
- If you're a real geek
307
00:14:31,171 --> 00:14:34,641
then you know that there's
two distinct versions
308
00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:36,843
of The Ventures in the 1960s.
309
00:14:36,944 --> 00:14:38,311
There was the early period
310
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where Bob Bogle played lead
guitar
311
00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:42,649
and that was definitely more
rooted
312
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in sort of a '50s rock and roll
feel
313
00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:48,721
but then at some point, Nokie
Edwards who was playing bass,
314
00:14:48,821 --> 00:14:50,323
switched over to lead guitar.
315
00:14:50,423 --> 00:14:52,725
And Bob went over to play bass.
316
00:14:52,825 --> 00:14:55,095
And then it became a
completely different band.
317
00:14:55,195 --> 00:14:57,330
- Don was a great rhythm guitar
player.
318
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Has his own sound, his
own style, his own touch.
319
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,835
Bob had his own style too as
well.
320
00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:05,205
Very much like a guitar player
on bass.
321
00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:07,840
Nokie was a brilliant lead
guitar player.
322
00:15:07,941 --> 00:15:09,709
- Nokie had been playing the
guitar
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00:15:09,809 --> 00:15:11,744
since he was five years old.
324
00:15:11,844 --> 00:15:14,714
He was a king around Seattle,
Tacoma area.
325
00:15:14,814 --> 00:15:16,516
- Nokie had his roots in
country.
326
00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:18,018
There was no question about it
327
00:15:18,118 --> 00:15:20,420
but he evolved into more
of a finger-style picker
328
00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,555
after he came in with The
Ventures.
329
00:15:22,655 --> 00:15:23,957
- Now, he was a country player
330
00:15:24,057 --> 00:15:25,225
but he was obviously listening
331
00:15:25,325 --> 00:15:27,627
to a lot of current music at the
time
332
00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,197
and so he was bending a lot of
notes.
333
00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:35,935
- I asked him one time
why he played this way
334
00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:37,971
and he said he just
wanted to play more notes.
335
00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:39,172
Not to overplay,
336
00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:42,009
just to make his arrangement
a little bit fuller.
337
00:15:42,109 --> 00:15:48,348
- Chet Atkins and Les Paul were
Nokie and Bob Bogle's idols,
338
00:15:48,748 --> 00:15:50,083
especially Nokie.
339
00:15:50,183 --> 00:15:51,918
- He really likes mellow music.
340
00:15:52,019 --> 00:15:53,120
When he sits at home he just
sits
341
00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:55,022
and plays mellow finger picking
music
342
00:15:55,122 --> 00:15:57,257
but everything kind of came
together
343
00:15:57,357 --> 00:15:59,526
at that point in the mid '60s
344
00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:04,397
where he sort of became
this snarling, punk rock,
345
00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:07,634
crazy, violent sounding lead
guitar
346
00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:09,136
and it sort of worked with
everything
347
00:16:09,236 --> 00:16:12,239
that was going on at that
time in the music scene.
348
00:16:15,908 --> 00:16:18,478
- You know a funny thing with
Nokie too,
349
00:16:18,578 --> 00:16:21,748
Les Paul sped up his playing
350
00:16:21,848 --> 00:16:24,051
and Nokie says he never knew
that.
351
00:16:24,151 --> 00:16:28,721
So, he would try to play that
as fast as it was sped up
352
00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:29,756
and I got to tell you,
353
00:16:29,856 --> 00:16:33,226
sometimes he did a
pretty good job.
354
00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:36,063
- Bob Bogle loved the lead
guitar
355
00:16:36,163 --> 00:16:39,699
but he knew that Nokie
was the better player.
356
00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:42,335
And Nokie was on bass
right from the beginning,
357
00:16:42,435 --> 00:16:44,871
so Bob decided to
switch with Nokie
358
00:16:44,971 --> 00:16:47,407
and said, you know, we
need to feature you more.
359
00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:49,576
Bob mentioned though that he
didn't know how to play bass
360
00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:51,378
and Nokie said,
361
00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:54,581
well, it's just the four
strings of the guitar.
362
00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:56,616
Nokie was not pretentious
363
00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:59,386
but he always helped
his fellow players play
364
00:16:59,486 --> 00:17:01,221
and that's what made The
Ventures great.
365
00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:02,855
They supported each other.
366
00:17:02,955 --> 00:17:04,657
- Anytime I saw The Ventures
live,
367
00:17:04,757 --> 00:17:05,958
my favorite part of the show
368
00:17:06,059 --> 00:17:09,829
was when Bob would switch to
guitar for a couple of songs.
369
00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:11,531
But then, at the same time,
370
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:15,235
Bob was also a wild man on the
bass,
371
00:17:15,335 --> 00:17:17,036
which was kind of strange
372
00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:20,440
because he didn't have
a wild man personality
373
00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:24,244
but man, on the bass he was
amazing.
374
00:17:28,315 --> 00:17:30,383
- The drummer that played "Walk
Don't Run"
375
00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:33,553
was somebody that we had
done these talent shows with
376
00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:36,789
and he was a different type of a
drummer.
377
00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:38,725
He would make some drum rolls
378
00:17:38,825 --> 00:17:41,094
that were quite different
from anybody else.
379
00:17:41,194 --> 00:17:42,662
He would belt on it.
380
00:17:42,762 --> 00:17:46,032
There were rim shots in
between the different things.
381
00:17:46,133 --> 00:17:51,138
He happened to be absolutely
perfect for "Walk Don't Run".
382
00:17:51,371 --> 00:17:53,940
I said, we'll either give you a
percentage
383
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,475
of what it makes or $25.
384
00:17:56,676 --> 00:17:58,111
He said, I'll take the 25.
385
00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:01,348
That's the last we heard of him.
386
00:18:01,448 --> 00:18:04,984
And you know, he never cashed
that check.
387
00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:07,053
Then we got Howie Johnson.
388
00:18:07,154 --> 00:18:08,855
He was with us for,
389
00:18:08,955 --> 00:18:11,458
I guess maybe a year
and a half, two years.
390
00:18:11,558 --> 00:18:14,394
And he got in a terrible car
accident,
391
00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:16,996
so he couldn't really travel
much.
392
00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:19,031
And so, we needed a drummer.
393
00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:21,534
So, we happened to be at the
Palomino club
394
00:18:21,634 --> 00:18:23,636
in North Hollywood.
395
00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:25,672
They said, why don't you get up
and play?
396
00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,207
And I said, well, I don't know
397
00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:29,809
they maybe not know "Walk Don't
Run".
398
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:32,945
Mel, he said, I know your
song very well, yeah.
399
00:18:33,045 --> 00:18:34,814
Sure come on, get up here.
400
00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:37,116
So, we did and he did it well,
401
00:18:37,217 --> 00:18:39,319
so we hired him.
402
00:18:41,053 --> 00:18:43,256
- Mel Taylor was a slamming
drummer.
403
00:18:43,356 --> 00:18:46,025
- The bar is set very high by
Mel
404
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:49,162
because "Wipeout" is no easy
task.
405
00:18:55,468 --> 00:18:57,504
- To hear that kind of music
406
00:18:57,604 --> 00:19:00,273
with a drummer who hit
the drums that hard,
407
00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:01,841
that excited us, you know.
408
00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:03,910
- When I saw them live,
409
00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:07,280
the dynamics of Mel Taylor,
410
00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:13,486
the drive that he put
behind those guys in front
411
00:19:13,886 --> 00:19:16,456
that just took it to another
level.
412
00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:21,394
- It's definitely sort of like
the epitome of surf drumming.
413
00:19:25,298 --> 00:19:26,933
- The Ventures came
414
00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:30,770
and they played their first
record for me
415
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:35,608
and I said, you know, I
think you're very good.
416
00:19:35,708 --> 00:19:37,344
But this is not,
417
00:19:37,444 --> 00:19:39,546
this isn't it.
418
00:19:39,646 --> 00:19:40,813
- Everything was no.
419
00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:41,881
It was not a hit.
420
00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,851
A guy named Pat O'Day, who was
the,
421
00:19:44,951 --> 00:19:45,985
became one of the,
422
00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:49,055
probably most famous
disc jockey in Seattle.
423
00:19:49,155 --> 00:19:50,790
We got to be friends.
424
00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:55,362
And I said, do you think you
could play "Walk Don't Run"?
425
00:19:55,462 --> 00:19:57,196
And he said, well, you know,
426
00:19:57,297 --> 00:20:00,233
I'd have to ask the program
director.
427
00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:01,868
- If Pat played your record,
428
00:20:01,968 --> 00:20:03,670
all the other stations did too.
429
00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:06,606
It's like he made us into
these little mini superstars
430
00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:08,007
in Seattle and Tacoma.
431
00:20:08,107 --> 00:20:11,278
- So, he said, well, the only
thing I can do is to play it
432
00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:13,713
as what they call a news kicker.
433
00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:15,782
- Every hour they had news
434
00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:18,885
and before they put on the news
program,
435
00:20:18,985 --> 00:20:21,153
they played what they
called a news kicker.
436
00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:24,457
Pretty soon they announced over
the air,
437
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,025
please don't call.
438
00:20:26,125 --> 00:20:27,126
Please don't call anymore.
439
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:28,795
Our phone lines are jammed.
440
00:20:28,895 --> 00:20:31,598
We will play this record in its
entirety.
441
00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:36,269
- Well, we were working.
442
00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:38,738
There was another guy there
443
00:20:38,838 --> 00:20:41,974
and we had a little portable
radio.
444
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:43,410
And we started listening to it.
445
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:46,813
I said, that's our song right
there playing on the radio.
446
00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:48,348
Sure it is.
447
00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:52,018
- I heard on KJR radio in
Seattle
448
00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:56,255
this remarkable instrumental.
449
00:20:56,356 --> 00:20:58,157
And I said, well, they're
bending notes in there
450
00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:01,294
and they're flat, their
sharp deliberately.
451
00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:03,663
- We had been to Bob with the
tape before
452
00:21:04,564 --> 00:21:07,467
and he turned us down.
453
00:21:08,468 --> 00:21:10,970
Well, then bob contacted me
again.
454
00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:14,874
- And I said, this is
going to be a big hit.
455
00:21:16,743 --> 00:21:17,477
Do you know that?
456
00:21:17,577 --> 00:21:18,645
She said, really?
457
00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:22,148
And I said, this is going
to be possibly number one.
458
00:21:22,248 --> 00:21:24,016
- I think the smartest thing I'd
ever done
459
00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:26,486
was to take him on as a partner
460
00:21:27,454 --> 00:21:29,389
because he had the contacts.
461
00:21:29,489 --> 00:21:32,124
He had had a number one
recording the The Fleetwoods
462
00:21:32,224 --> 00:21:33,726
called "Come Softly To Me".
463
00:21:33,826 --> 00:21:37,664
I knew that he would have
the knowledge of what to do
464
00:21:37,764 --> 00:21:40,900
and he already had a contract
with Liberty Records.
465
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,835
- So, he sent it down to Liberty
Records
466
00:21:42,935 --> 00:21:45,037
and the president of Liberty
Records says,
467
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:47,006
no, i don't think it's a hit.
468
00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:48,808
Although it was climbing
the charts in Seattle
469
00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:49,976
but only Seattle.
470
00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:53,546
Mr. Reisdorff said,
well, I'll guarantee it.
471
00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:58,551
If it doesn't make it, I'll
pay the cost of the promotion
472
00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:01,754
and pressing and whatever
else was involved.
473
00:22:01,854 --> 00:22:06,058
And it wound up going to
number two in the nation.
474
00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:11,598
- As soon as I heard "Walk Don't
Run" I bought a copy of it.
475
00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:14,166
- I couldn't believe
what I was hearing.
476
00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:15,167
The drums were great
477
00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:17,437
but the sound of the
guitars, the melody,
478
00:22:17,537 --> 00:22:18,838
everything about it.
479
00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:21,173
- I was hearing a song
480
00:22:21,273 --> 00:22:22,875
that was being played,
481
00:22:23,943 --> 00:22:26,178
being sung on the guitar.
482
00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:27,414
- It sounded innovative.
483
00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,581
It sounded modern.
484
00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:31,250
It sounded explorative.
485
00:22:31,718 --> 00:22:33,853
We had never heard
anything like that before.
486
00:22:33,953 --> 00:22:36,355
- It has a feeling of adventure
487
00:22:36,456 --> 00:22:39,392
and you want to go on this trip
with them.
488
00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:40,927
- I can't imagine what
it would have been like
489
00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:44,096
to have heard that music
for the first time.
490
00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:46,165
- At that point in time, we were
going,
491
00:22:46,265 --> 00:22:49,235
how are they doing that?
492
00:22:49,335 --> 00:22:51,370
- I mean, there was so much
going on on that record
493
00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:53,906
that I didn't understand.
494
00:22:54,006 --> 00:22:58,077
Had this incredible, now
I know it's called reverb,
495
00:22:58,177 --> 00:22:59,812
but I didn't know what it was
then.
496
00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:01,548
It was just guitar music.
497
00:23:01,648 --> 00:23:03,115
- Who found "Walk Don't Run" for
them?
498
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:04,751
How'd they find that tune?
499
00:23:04,851 --> 00:23:06,786
I was growing up playing jazz.
500
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:08,888
I had a million Johnny Smith
records.
501
00:23:08,988 --> 00:23:11,157
I even had that song on one.
502
00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:13,626
- I never got a chance to ask
Don and Bob,
503
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:17,396
how in the heck did you
pick a bebop song like that
504
00:23:17,497 --> 00:23:21,501
and turn it into what you
made into a classic rock tune?
505
00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:24,971
- Every band in the world had
"Walk Don't Run" in their set.
506
00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,774
Not the Johnny Smith or
the Chet Atkins version.
507
00:23:27,874 --> 00:23:29,141
It was The Ventures version.
508
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:34,246
- I think The Ventures
made music that was,
509
00:23:34,581 --> 00:23:37,784
maybe wasn't accessible
to the average person.
510
00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:39,819
They took like a jazz,
511
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,288
a complicated jazz tune
like "Walk Don't Run"
512
00:23:42,388 --> 00:23:45,725
and made it into a simpler
arrangement for rock,
513
00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:48,127
like a rock and roll
arrangement,
514
00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:51,564
which made a lot of kids
go, I want to learn that.
515
00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:54,000
- The chord progression
to the rhythm guitar part
516
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,101
on "Walk Don't Run"
517
00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:57,637
was the very first thing
I ever learned on guitar.
518
00:23:57,737 --> 00:23:59,238
- When we would listen
519
00:23:59,338 --> 00:24:02,875
and we were trying to play note
for note.
520
00:24:02,975 --> 00:24:04,076
We'd try to pick it out.
521
00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:04,877
Wait.
522
00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:05,978
Do that again.
523
00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:07,647
And they'd lift up the
needle and go .
524
00:24:09,148 --> 00:24:09,916
And you'd do it again.
525
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:11,651
Lift up that needle one more
time.
526
00:24:11,751 --> 00:24:13,820
I think I might have it this
time.
527
00:24:20,059 --> 00:24:21,227
Nope, that's not it.
528
00:24:22,228 --> 00:24:23,963
Until you got the little parts.
529
00:24:24,063 --> 00:24:26,198
- I would write all of the
chords down
530
00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:27,867
and I would make the sheet music
531
00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:29,969
and I would sell it to the local
bands.
532
00:24:30,069 --> 00:24:31,771
- They were probably the
first guitar teachers
533
00:24:31,871 --> 00:24:33,072
most of us ever had.
534
00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:36,142
- The great thing about it
was everything was hearable
535
00:24:36,242 --> 00:24:38,678
because there were only four
people
536
00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:39,979
and there wasn't singing
537
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,081
and a bunch of other stuff in
the way.
538
00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:43,716
You could hear everything.
539
00:24:43,816 --> 00:24:45,384
- People were saying,
you're going to go in
540
00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:50,557
and record it without
a piano or a saxophone?
541
00:24:50,657 --> 00:24:52,892
- A lot of people said it's too
empty.
542
00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:55,461
You know, you need an orchestra.
543
00:24:56,896 --> 00:25:00,667
- We didn't know any piano
players or saxophone players.
544
00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:03,135
And probably was fortunate that
we didn't
545
00:25:03,235 --> 00:25:05,538
because you know, it was just
four pieces.
546
00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:07,039
Two guitars a bass and a drum.
547
00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:12,879
- The Pacific northwest,
the Seattle, Tacoma area,
548
00:25:12,979 --> 00:25:14,413
in the late '50s,
549
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,949
it was just the beginnings
of rock and roll.
550
00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:20,820
- We were at the
crossroads from an old era.
551
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,324
The big band era moving
into the new era of music.
552
00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:30,429
- This was new, modern,
exciting electric guitar rock.
553
00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:31,598
- It's called electricity.
554
00:25:31,698 --> 00:25:33,232
And when you're messing with
electricity
555
00:25:33,332 --> 00:25:34,667
weird things happens sometimes.
556
00:25:34,767 --> 00:25:37,336
And if you can catch it,
you go, hey, that's cool.
557
00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:39,772
- The Ventures were a rock and
roll band
558
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:42,875
and they had a lot more
roll than they had rock.
559
00:25:42,975 --> 00:25:44,143
I mean, The Ventures swing.
560
00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:45,745
They really swing.
561
00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:49,181
- But if you go back and
listen that initial album,
562
00:25:49,281 --> 00:25:52,051
it's stands up against anything
today.
563
00:25:52,151 --> 00:25:52,885
It's tight.
564
00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:55,822
It's musically correct.
565
00:25:55,922 --> 00:25:57,423
And it's infectious.
566
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,163
- The early days were, to say
the least,
567
00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:05,197
tough.
568
00:26:05,297 --> 00:26:10,803
Any rock and roller will
tell you the same story,
569
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:15,241
that their family suffered
because of their work.
570
00:26:15,341 --> 00:26:18,745
I was on the road sometimes
for six months at a time.
571
00:26:18,845 --> 00:26:19,946
You know, that was just,
572
00:26:20,046 --> 00:26:21,914
took over everything.
573
00:26:22,014 --> 00:26:23,115
You know, trying to make a
living,
574
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:26,352
which I thought, you know,
well, I'll support them
575
00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:27,920
and I'll send them money and all
that
576
00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:30,222
but it's not enough.
577
00:26:30,322 --> 00:26:32,424
Your presence is worth more than
that.
578
00:26:32,524 --> 00:26:33,392
You're dad.
579
00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,200
- I remember playing with
Little Bill and the Blue Notes,
580
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:42,501
The Whalers.
581
00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:46,238
All these guys were like
17 and 18 years old.
582
00:26:46,338 --> 00:26:47,573
We were 25.
583
00:26:48,474 --> 00:26:52,211
Our dressing room was right
through the dance floor
584
00:26:52,311 --> 00:26:54,146
and I remember when I walked by
585
00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:55,581
some guy said to his girlfriend,
586
00:26:55,682 --> 00:26:57,817
he said, boy, these guys are
old.
587
00:26:57,917 --> 00:27:03,289
We were playing not big
halls like Elvis
588
00:27:04,657 --> 00:27:07,393
or somebody of his stature would
play.
589
00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:11,397
We saw a place with
chicken wire on the windows
590
00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:13,666
and I said, wouldn't it be
funny if we were playing there?
591
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:16,736
And it turned out that we were.
592
00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:19,605
If we made $300 or 400,
593
00:27:19,706 --> 00:27:21,307
we each got 100 bucks.
594
00:27:21,407 --> 00:27:26,245
Then we had to pay our
own expenses besides that.
595
00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:27,246
When people see you,
596
00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:29,215
they see you get up on stage and
play,
597
00:27:29,315 --> 00:27:30,549
oh yeah, boy, they've got it
made.
598
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,151
That's an easy thing.
599
00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:34,553
They don't know about getting to
and from.
600
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,889
We carried our own amplifiers
and guitars
601
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,557
and stuff and drums
602
00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,927
and we had to set them up
ourselves.
603
00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,829
We had this station wagon
604
00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,164
and we pulled a Uhaul trailer
605
00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:46,799
with all of our equipment in.
606
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:49,368
And we had an old friend of mine
607
00:27:49,468 --> 00:27:52,004
that wanted to be the road
manager.
608
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:55,007
And we did have a saxophone
player for a while,
609
00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:56,208
on the road.
610
00:27:56,308 --> 00:27:57,643
And so, there's six of us.
611
00:27:57,744 --> 00:28:00,279
Three in front and three in the
back.
612
00:28:00,379 --> 00:28:02,114
And you know, you're like this
613
00:28:02,214 --> 00:28:04,316
everytime I hit a little thing.
614
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:05,952
Because we really couldn't
afford it
615
00:28:06,052 --> 00:28:08,087
and we wanted to go home with
some money,
616
00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:09,922
we had a motel room.
617
00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:12,624
All five of us stayed in one
room.
618
00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,995
- They had agents booking
them across the country.
619
00:28:16,095 --> 00:28:19,098
And they get there and their
next gig would be in Texas.
620
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,733
They're in Chicago.
621
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:23,302
They have to call ahead to get
some money
622
00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:25,938
to pay for the gas to go to do
the job.
623
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,940
- Promoters had a system.
624
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,908
If they had,
625
00:28:29,008 --> 00:28:32,378
you were out, let's say for ten
shows,
626
00:28:32,478 --> 00:28:34,747
and one was canceled,
627
00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:35,915
they wouldn't call you.
628
00:28:36,015 --> 00:28:37,149
They knew it.
629
00:28:37,249 --> 00:28:39,819
But they wouldn't call
you until the day before
630
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:42,088
that cancellation.
631
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:43,923
They'd call the day before and
say,
632
00:28:44,023 --> 00:28:46,258
tomorrow night has been
canceled.
633
00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:51,297
So, you've got 500 miles to
drive.
634
00:28:51,397 --> 00:28:54,166
And then we were naive at the
time
635
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:56,502
and we'd take a check
and we'd bring it back
636
00:28:56,602 --> 00:28:58,470
and you know, take it to the
bank.
637
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,572
They say, well, that's no good.
638
00:29:00,672 --> 00:29:03,675
We learned after awhile
that you better get cash
639
00:29:04,944 --> 00:29:06,112
or nothing.
640
00:29:10,983 --> 00:29:12,952
Surf music got very popular.
641
00:29:13,052 --> 00:29:15,254
Of course, with "Wipeout" and
"Pipeline"
642
00:29:16,823 --> 00:29:19,658
it was really getting a
foothold.
643
00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:24,563
So, we thought "Walk Don't
Run" in a surfing style
644
00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:26,332
would be maybe something.
645
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:30,036
And it was still that wonderful
melody of "Walk Don't Run".
646
00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:33,405
To our surprise, it made the top
ten.
647
00:29:33,505 --> 00:29:37,276
I was watching Casey Kasem
on TV
648
00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:39,846
in the top 40 countdown, you
know.
649
00:29:39,946 --> 00:29:44,951
He said, who was the very
first artist recording
650
00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:50,289
that had this same song with
two different arrangements,
651
00:29:50,722 --> 00:29:52,658
both hit the top ten?
652
00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:54,160
And I'm sitting there
saying, I don't know.
653
00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:55,627
I wonder who it was.
654
00:29:55,727 --> 00:29:58,297
And he came back and
said, it was The Ventures
655
00:29:58,397 --> 00:30:02,368
with "Walk Don't Run"
and "Walk Don't Run '64".
656
00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:05,737
- The Ventures are
musicians and scientists
657
00:30:05,838 --> 00:30:08,240
of what it is surf music
658
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,642
before surf music was even
predicted.
659
00:30:10,742 --> 00:30:14,780
- We have been labeled as a surf
group
660
00:30:14,881 --> 00:30:18,350
but that term wasn't coined
yet, you know surf music.
661
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:19,886
- People that define a genre,
662
00:30:19,986 --> 00:30:23,622
very rarely consider
themselves of that genre.
663
00:30:23,722 --> 00:30:26,625
I'm sure Elvis didn't think
he was a rock-a-billy singer
664
00:30:26,725 --> 00:30:27,960
or rock and roll singer.
665
00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:30,762
I'm sure he thought he was
just like Frank Sinatra.
666
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:37,703
- Probably the reason that they
got
667
00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:39,705
thrown into that surf hopper
668
00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:42,241
is because they played Fender
guitars
669
00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:44,143
through Fender reverb units,
670
00:30:44,243 --> 00:30:45,912
through Fender amplifiers,
671
00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:48,114
had a very clean sound.
672
00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:50,849
- This was all new
technology in those days.
673
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:53,185
A Fender Stratocaster was a new
thing.
674
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:57,456
A Jazzmaster Fender
basses we exciting times
675
00:30:57,556 --> 00:31:00,426
and they incorporated these
sounds
676
00:31:00,526 --> 00:31:02,494
in the records that they made
677
00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:04,263
and they were unique.
678
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,233
- The Ventures, I've heard, love
Fender.
679
00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:09,801
And Fender is that mass produced
guitar
680
00:31:09,902 --> 00:31:10,769
that everyone uses
681
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,538
and they're great work horses.
682
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:16,575
But the mystique lies in
the Mosrite guitars,
683
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:17,843
which they had their names on.
684
00:31:17,944 --> 00:31:19,445
And I think a lot of people
think,
685
00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:21,613
everything was done with Mosrite
guitars.
686
00:31:22,514 --> 00:31:26,752
- Nokie introduced The
Ventures to the Mosrite guitar
687
00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,388
because he was friends with
Gene Moles and Semie Moseley.
688
00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:31,157
- Semie Moseley approached us
689
00:31:31,257 --> 00:31:33,425
and said, I'll make a
Ventures model guitar
690
00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:35,327
and we'll pay you a royalty.
691
00:31:35,427 --> 00:31:36,762
We picked up the Mosrite
692
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:39,265
and played it for about
three years, I guess.
693
00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:42,068
- I always wanted a Mosrite
694
00:31:42,168 --> 00:31:43,769
because The Ventures
played them, you know.
695
00:31:43,869 --> 00:31:45,404
- Well, it was that unusual
guitar.
696
00:31:45,504 --> 00:31:48,340
It was like a Stratocaster
upside-down.
697
00:31:50,076 --> 00:31:51,277
- Mosrite guitars are unique
698
00:31:51,377 --> 00:31:52,478
because they're very frail.
699
00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:54,646
They have a very slim neck.
700
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:55,781
- If you're trying to play blues
701
00:31:55,881 --> 00:31:57,649
or rock and get sustained notes,
702
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,685
you're trying to push
a note up and hold it,
703
00:31:59,785 --> 00:32:01,287
on the Mosrite it would
hit the next string
704
00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:02,321
and it would cancel each other,
705
00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:04,323
it'll craple out your sustain.
706
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:05,157
Eh-uh.
707
00:32:05,257 --> 00:32:06,158
And it would suddenly stop
708
00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:07,359
because you're hitting the next
string.
709
00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:09,528
- And they have something
called a zero fret.
710
00:32:09,628 --> 00:32:13,265
And in fact there's a zero
fret guitar behind me here.
711
00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:14,200
Not a Mosrite
712
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,502
but the advantage of a zero
fret,
713
00:32:16,602 --> 00:32:19,538
it's usually the trademark
of a very cheap guitar
714
00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:20,939
but it's a trick you can use
715
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,310
to get the stings lying flat
against the fingerboard,
716
00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:25,744
which means they're easy to
play.
717
00:32:25,844 --> 00:32:26,778
And if they're easy to play,
718
00:32:26,878 --> 00:32:28,847
it's easy to play fast and
clean.
719
00:32:30,182 --> 00:32:32,918
- Wilson Brothers Guitar Company
was set up by Tim Wilson,
720
00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:34,686
Don Wilson's son, to honor his
dad.
721
00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:38,357
- They're one of the first
bands, if not the first band,
722
00:32:38,457 --> 00:32:41,060
to have their own signature
guitar line.
723
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,961
And of course, they started with
Mosrite.
724
00:32:43,062 --> 00:32:44,263
When that ended in the '70s
725
00:32:44,363 --> 00:32:46,032
they went with Aria in Japan.
726
00:32:46,132 --> 00:32:47,333
They had some Fender guitars.
727
00:32:47,433 --> 00:32:48,867
And now they have the Wilson
Brothers.
728
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,236
And all those guitars,
729
00:32:50,336 --> 00:32:52,404
what's really the most important
thing
730
00:32:52,504 --> 00:32:54,906
is that they were accessible
to the average fan.
731
00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:56,475
They weren't super pricey.
732
00:32:56,575 --> 00:32:58,344
The average fan was able to buy
one
733
00:32:58,444 --> 00:33:00,512
and feel like there were
part of The Ventures.
734
00:33:00,612 --> 00:33:02,248
- When you hear the word
Ventures,
735
00:33:02,348 --> 00:33:03,749
you hear the word guitar.
736
00:33:03,849 --> 00:33:05,417
And if you say guitar,
737
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:06,785
you say The Ventures.
738
00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:09,221
- It's like the backbone
of guitar music, you know.
739
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,390
- And even if they weren't the
first guys
740
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:13,359
who played electric guitar,
741
00:33:13,459 --> 00:33:16,962
they're the ones that
we associate it with.
742
00:33:17,063 --> 00:33:18,697
- There weren't a lot of
people playing guitar.
743
00:33:18,797 --> 00:33:21,767
I mean, now a days, there's
millions of guitar outs
744
00:33:21,867 --> 00:33:24,002
and millions of people that play
guitar.
745
00:33:24,103 --> 00:33:25,371
When I was young,
746
00:33:25,471 --> 00:33:28,040
if you just owned a guitar,
that was a big deal.
747
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:31,843
- The guitar can be played in
any style
748
00:33:31,943 --> 00:33:33,145
and it's portable.
749
00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:37,483
- When troubadours who were
going with portable instruments,
750
00:33:38,817 --> 00:33:40,719
ancestors of the guitar,
751
00:33:40,819 --> 00:33:45,524
mankind started to be
able to play anywhere.
752
00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:49,228
Walk or take a horse or a car,
753
00:33:49,328 --> 00:33:50,829
go anywhere and play.
754
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:52,531
It's true.
755
00:33:52,631 --> 00:33:53,932
I cannot do that with a piano.
756
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,368
- Beethoven described
it as a mini orchestra.
757
00:33:56,468 --> 00:33:59,071
It's one of the few polyphonic
instruments
758
00:33:59,171 --> 00:34:00,139
that you can play.
759
00:34:00,239 --> 00:34:02,308
It's relatively easy to learn.
760
00:34:02,408 --> 00:34:05,077
Three chords and you can do
a lot of your favorite songs.
761
00:34:05,177 --> 00:34:07,746
- Or you can take it to
the Andres Segovia style
762
00:34:07,846 --> 00:34:10,216
and become a concert artist.
763
00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:12,751
- I think it's always
been a rebel instrument
764
00:34:12,851 --> 00:34:14,019
because,
765
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,388
just because of the volume
you can achieve quite easily.
766
00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:18,957
And there's nothing like plug it
in,
767
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,892
turn it up to ten and just,
768
00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:23,629
it makes great things sound
amazing.
769
00:34:23,729 --> 00:34:25,063
- The guitars helped.
770
00:34:25,164 --> 00:34:28,834
But it's always the player
that makes the sound great.
771
00:34:28,934 --> 00:34:32,571
- Bob Bogle and Don were very,
very, very precise players.
772
00:34:32,671 --> 00:34:33,939
That's what impressed me the
most.
773
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:35,607
I wanted to sound like that.
774
00:34:40,045 --> 00:34:44,015
Most guitar players connect the
idea
775
00:34:44,116 --> 00:34:48,154
of the use of the vibrato
arm on an electric guitar
776
00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:49,355
with The Ventures.
777
00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:51,757
- The whammy bar creates a pitch
bend
778
00:34:51,857 --> 00:34:55,694
that gives a sense of like a
shimmering wave, if you will.
779
00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:57,163
And it sound something like
this.
780
00:35:00,132 --> 00:35:04,035
- Don said, okay, you do the
melody with the tremolo arm
781
00:35:04,136 --> 00:35:05,103
and I'm going to do the rhythm.
782
00:35:14,546 --> 00:35:17,115
- Tremolo is similar to vibrato
783
00:35:17,216 --> 00:35:18,417
but it's not the same thing.
784
00:35:18,517 --> 00:35:20,319
And people get this confused all
the time.
785
00:35:20,419 --> 00:35:22,154
Instead of frequency,
786
00:35:22,254 --> 00:35:24,856
this is an amplitude or a volume
change.
787
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,692
The one that's built into the
amp
788
00:35:26,792 --> 00:35:29,094
sounds a lot like something I
can do
789
00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:31,197
with just the volume
control on the guitar.
790
00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:44,310
- Don and I would have a contest
791
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:47,045
to see who could put the
most reverb on our guitars.
792
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:48,113
It was just like little kids.
793
00:35:48,214 --> 00:35:50,148
- The sound of The Ventures,
794
00:35:50,249 --> 00:35:52,318
I think it has a lot
to do with the reverb.
795
00:35:52,418 --> 00:35:54,386
It sounds like the sea.
796
00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:56,455
If you bang the reverb chamber,
797
00:35:56,555 --> 00:35:58,424
it sounds like crashing waves.
798
00:36:02,594 --> 00:36:03,429
- In the case of The Ventures,
799
00:36:03,529 --> 00:36:05,331
it was mostly spring reverb.
800
00:36:05,431 --> 00:36:07,399
For all you techno geeks out
there,
801
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:10,135
the Hammond reverb pan, long
spring.
802
00:36:10,236 --> 00:36:12,538
- So, this is what the reverb
sounded like back then.
803
00:36:12,638 --> 00:36:14,506
This is from the reverb tank.
804
00:36:22,314 --> 00:36:26,418
- This is a reverb mechanism
pulled out of an amplifier.
805
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:30,256
The guitar sound is fed in
through here.
806
00:36:30,356 --> 00:36:32,524
It goes through a spring.
807
00:36:32,624 --> 00:36:35,894
And it's picked up here and
fed back into the amplifier.
808
00:36:35,994 --> 00:36:38,830
And by the waving of this
spring, the vibration,
809
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:40,098
it vibrates,
810
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:45,136
it modifies the sound in a
immediately recognizable way.
811
00:36:45,237 --> 00:36:47,172
- Surf bands claimed that it
sounded like
812
00:36:47,273 --> 00:36:49,007
they were in the pipeline of a
wave.
813
00:36:49,107 --> 00:36:50,008
- It's a sweet sound
814
00:36:50,108 --> 00:36:53,044
and it takes a lot more skill
815
00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:56,047
to play a guitar cleanly.
816
00:36:56,147 --> 00:36:57,249
- They call it the drip.
817
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:59,217
I'm a rock-a-billy guitar player
818
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:01,453
but I incorporate some of that
stuff.
819
00:37:01,553 --> 00:37:04,089
But the real purist want to get
the drip
820
00:37:04,189 --> 00:37:06,825
and that's achieved by
putting the reverb tank
821
00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:08,394
before the amplifier.
822
00:37:20,205 --> 00:37:23,241
- Back in the '60s, effects
were generally created
823
00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:24,976
with some pretty big boxes.
824
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:28,146
So it wasn't such an easy
process to incorporate them.
825
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,950
- I can't understate how many
hours
826
00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:36,322
I stared at the album
cover or the back cover,
827
00:37:36,422 --> 00:37:38,624
looking at their guitars
828
00:37:38,724 --> 00:37:41,059
and wondering how they got
certain sounds.
829
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:42,994
- The engineer was experimenting
too
830
00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:45,664
with trying to get different
sounds and everything.
831
00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,366
They put speakers on the floor
832
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:49,134
and they cut speakers
833
00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:51,136
and they would turn things
around.
834
00:37:51,236 --> 00:37:52,704
- We did "Walk Don't Run '64"
835
00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:54,840
and you know,
836
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:58,844
it sounds like it's a
keyboard playing in there
837
00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:00,111
but actually what it is,
838
00:38:00,211 --> 00:38:02,180
and people are surprised at
that,
839
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,151
it's a saxophone played
through a Leslie speaker.
840
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,890
- If you look at "Silver
Bells" off the Christmas album,
841
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:14,292
there's a vocoder being
used for the first time.
842
00:38:22,668 --> 00:38:25,537
These things were just
remarkably innovative
843
00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:27,172
and experimental for their time.
844
00:38:27,272 --> 00:38:28,707
Nobody else was doing that.
845
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:30,141
- The beginning of the song
"Telstar",
846
00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:32,711
in order to recreate
what Joe Meek had done
847
00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:34,312
on the original with The
Tornadoes,
848
00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:36,482
Don used a fire extinguisher
to get that sound
849
00:38:36,582 --> 00:38:39,418
of the satellite taking off.
850
00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:45,491
- The Ventures were one of the
first bands
851
00:38:45,591 --> 00:38:46,958
to use the fuzz box,
852
00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:49,661
although other people
had used fuzz before.
853
00:38:49,761 --> 00:38:50,896
I think Paul Burlinson
854
00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:52,731
from Johnny Burnette's Rock 'n
Roll Trio
855
00:38:52,831 --> 00:38:54,199
punched holes in his,
856
00:38:54,299 --> 00:38:55,266
either punched holes in his
speakers
857
00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:57,168
or rattled a tube in the,
858
00:38:57,268 --> 00:38:58,637
he rattled a tube in the back.
859
00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:02,073
But to reproduce that in
a controllable environment
860
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,742
is from a fuzz box.
861
00:39:06,044 --> 00:39:09,681
- It was created for them
by a guy named Red Rhodes.
862
00:39:09,781 --> 00:39:11,383
He was a electronics wizard,
863
00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:13,852
as he was a steel guitarist.
864
00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:17,523
- If you never heard
anything like that before,
865
00:39:17,623 --> 00:39:19,190
like we hadn't,
866
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:21,893
then you're thinking what
does that sound like?
867
00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:26,865
And we thought, hm, sounds
like a 2,000 pound bee to me.
868
00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:29,968
And so, we did parts one and two
869
00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:31,737
of "The 2,000 Pound Bee".
870
00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:35,941
- VH1 went on to state
871
00:39:36,041 --> 00:39:37,709
that it was the first song ever
recorded
872
00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:39,711
using a fuzz box guitar.
873
00:39:39,811 --> 00:39:43,214
- I mean, that's a really,
really early use of a fuzz tone.
874
00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:46,418
I mean, there's one or two
right around the same time
875
00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:48,887
but The Ventures were
right on that cutting edge
876
00:39:48,987 --> 00:39:51,389
and you're talking about five or
six years
877
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:54,593
before the psychedelic groups
started using the fuzz tone.
878
00:39:54,693 --> 00:39:57,996
- Part B of "2,000 Pound
Bee" became the first single
879
00:39:58,096 --> 00:40:00,566
to hit the Billboard chart
using this fuzz tone.
880
00:40:05,937 --> 00:40:06,705
- The echo is great.
881
00:40:06,805 --> 00:40:08,339
The reverb is great.
882
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,642
They don't really even use
a vibratos really, you know.
883
00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:11,643
They were just playing.
884
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:14,079
- When we first started,
885
00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:16,982
after about three years
we had a record producer
886
00:40:17,082 --> 00:40:19,485
that was helping us produce the
records.
887
00:40:19,585 --> 00:40:21,252
We told him that we were,
888
00:40:21,352 --> 00:40:23,655
felt like we were running out of
ideas
889
00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:25,991
and he said, well, one idea
890
00:40:26,091 --> 00:40:28,727
is to find more sounds in that
guitar.
891
00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:30,629
He said, there's sounds in that
guitar
892
00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:32,230
you've never found yet.
893
00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:33,231
He was right.
894
00:40:33,331 --> 00:40:36,401
We kept trying and
finding more techniques.
895
00:40:36,502 --> 00:40:38,737
- A lot of stuff was
just Nokie and his hands.
896
00:40:38,837 --> 00:40:41,940
I mean, Nokie did all kinds
of what you would call tricks
897
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,742
but to the people in the
audience it was like,
898
00:40:43,842 --> 00:40:45,310
whoa, how are you doing that,
you know.
899
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:48,279
There's a record where he's
doing this with his pick
900
00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:53,218
- In "Diamond Head" that
little sound you hear,
901
00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:02,193
is Nokie rubbing
fingernail on the strings.
902
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:04,896
- In "Wooly Bully" he would
pick behind the bridge
903
00:41:04,996 --> 00:41:06,798
where you're not suppose to play
over here
904
00:41:06,898 --> 00:41:07,666
and he would
905
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:20,546
- Probably one of the reasons
906
00:41:20,646 --> 00:41:22,748
why they influenced surf bands
so much
907
00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:24,650
is because they were good at
playing
908
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:26,417
quarter notes and eighth notes
909
00:41:26,518 --> 00:41:29,521
in very, very, very strict time.
910
00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:31,790
You can't drive a song
911
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:35,727
unless you have a rhythm
guitar player like Don Wilson,
912
00:41:35,827 --> 00:41:39,197
who can play very, very, very
straight ahead eighth notes.
913
00:41:39,297 --> 00:41:40,766
- And he would do double picking
914
00:41:40,866 --> 00:41:42,400
or really fast picking
915
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:43,702
but with he reverb sound
916
00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:45,403
he had sort of this percussive
thing
917
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:46,404
that he loved so much.
918
00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:02,754
- So, they actually created the
sound,
919
00:42:02,854 --> 00:42:03,922
I believe,
920
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:06,424
that surf bands then reached out
for
921
00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:08,393
and it became their own.
922
00:42:10,228 --> 00:42:12,097
- Growing up in southern
California
923
00:42:12,197 --> 00:42:14,165
in my early teens, I had a surf
board.
924
00:42:14,265 --> 00:42:15,567
And when you're riding the
waves, man,
925
00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:17,903
that was the sound track
that's going through your head.
926
00:42:18,003 --> 00:42:20,806
- The Ventures will be
remembered forever
927
00:42:20,906 --> 00:42:25,276
for creating a culture
in southern California
928
00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:26,144
of surf music
929
00:42:26,244 --> 00:42:28,046
and they started it.
930
00:42:28,146 --> 00:42:29,014
Not consciously.
931
00:42:29,114 --> 00:42:30,749
It was a happy accident.
932
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:32,784
- You know, I like surf music.
933
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:33,919
I think it's exciting
934
00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:35,621
and I like to play it.
935
00:42:36,788 --> 00:42:38,824
It's fun to play on stage.
936
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:43,061
- One of the staples of surf
songs
937
00:42:43,161 --> 00:42:45,196
is the so called rundown.
938
00:42:45,296 --> 00:42:46,698
And it sounds something like
this.
939
00:42:50,301 --> 00:42:54,539
- Bob on the bass actually
came up with that rundown.
940
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,708
You know, that was the .
941
00:42:56,808 --> 00:42:58,409
- I don't think anybody had ever
heard
942
00:43:00,646 --> 00:43:01,713
that.
943
00:43:06,852 --> 00:43:10,021
In the solo of "Barracuda" by
Heart
944
00:43:10,121 --> 00:43:11,589
I do that.
945
00:43:18,764 --> 00:43:21,399
- We decided that we're going to
move
946
00:43:21,499 --> 00:43:23,601
to Los Angeles and Hollywood
947
00:43:23,702 --> 00:43:27,038
because we wanted to be
where it was happening.
948
00:43:27,138 --> 00:43:29,607
And we stayed in a motel
949
00:43:29,708 --> 00:43:32,177
right across the street
from Liberty Records.
950
00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:34,780
They had a lot of studios there
951
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,281
and we wanted to record.
952
00:43:36,381 --> 00:43:38,316
And Bob Reisdorff said,
953
00:43:38,416 --> 00:43:41,920
you've got such a good
sound with Joe Boles,
954
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:44,522
I want you to go back up to
Washington
955
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:45,356
and record there.
956
00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:46,457
So, we did.
957
00:43:47,225 --> 00:43:49,127
And then he said it again the
second time
958
00:43:49,227 --> 00:43:51,963
and we're thinking, oh,
I want to record here.
959
00:43:52,063 --> 00:43:53,631
But he said, no, go ahead and go
up there
960
00:43:53,732 --> 00:43:55,266
because he's got your sound
down.
961
00:43:55,366 --> 00:43:57,002
You don't want to change
too much of you sound
962
00:43:57,102 --> 00:43:59,637
from what "Walk Don't Run"
sounds like.
963
00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:01,406
So, we did it again.
964
00:44:01,506 --> 00:44:04,776
- Back in the '60s they would
do four or more albums a year.
965
00:44:04,876 --> 00:44:06,678
- We put so many albums out
966
00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:10,949
that we had five albums on
the top 100 at one time.
967
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:12,851
- They were the sixth best
selling band
968
00:44:12,951 --> 00:44:15,186
behind The Beatles, Elvis, Frank
Sinatra,
969
00:44:15,286 --> 00:44:16,688
Johnny Mathis, Herb Alpert.
970
00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:22,928
- Yeah, Bob Reisdorff said, most
artists,
971
00:44:23,028 --> 00:44:26,297
you're probably good for, at the
most,
972
00:44:26,397 --> 00:44:29,534
maybe three, four albums
and that's about it.
973
00:44:29,634 --> 00:44:30,601
He says, I suggest
974
00:44:30,702 --> 00:44:32,470
that you really put your money
in the bank
975
00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:33,939
and save whatever you get.
976
00:44:35,273 --> 00:44:36,541
And of course, we didn't.
977
00:44:37,876 --> 00:44:40,812
To prove his thinking,
978
00:44:40,912 --> 00:44:45,016
he sold The Ventures after
about maybe six albums
979
00:44:45,116 --> 00:44:46,417
or something like that,
980
00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:48,286
to Liberty Records.
981
00:44:48,386 --> 00:44:51,890
I've never heard anything about
his complaining about that
982
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:55,026
but we kept on selling
and selling and selling
983
00:44:55,126 --> 00:44:57,695
and it was a bad move on his
part.
984
00:44:57,796 --> 00:45:01,566
We were responsible for 25%
985
00:45:01,666 --> 00:45:05,837
of Liberty's total volume of
record sales.
986
00:45:05,937 --> 00:45:07,205
That's when we kind of knew,
987
00:45:07,305 --> 00:45:10,508
hey, maybe we're going
somewhere.
988
00:45:10,608 --> 00:45:12,677
They had some pretty
good artists, you know.
989
00:45:12,778 --> 00:45:14,712
They had the Chipmunks.
990
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:15,814
I mean, come on.
991
00:45:15,914 --> 00:45:18,049
- For decades they were
just like this machine
992
00:45:18,149 --> 00:45:19,517
that could not be stopped.
993
00:45:19,617 --> 00:45:23,388
- They recorded so many
records, it's insane.
994
00:45:23,488 --> 00:45:25,623
I don't even know if
anyone's done that before,
995
00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:26,624
have they?
996
00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:27,926
200 records?
997
00:45:28,026 --> 00:45:29,694
- And the thing about The
Ventures is,
998
00:45:29,795 --> 00:45:31,662
they'd have a surf album.
999
00:45:31,763 --> 00:45:33,064
They would have a soundtrack
album
1000
00:45:33,164 --> 00:45:34,933
where they're doing movie
soundtracks.
1001
00:45:35,033 --> 00:45:37,735
One of my favorites is The
Ventures country and western.
1002
00:45:37,836 --> 00:45:40,638
- I think one thing that
resonates with The Ventures
1003
00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:42,240
is they're a versatile band.
1004
00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:43,975
They can play anything they want
to play.
1005
00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:47,245
- Whatever kind of my
that I wanted to play,
1006
00:45:47,345 --> 00:45:51,316
you could sort of get the origin
of that
1007
00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:53,284
within a Ventures' instrumental.
1008
00:45:53,384 --> 00:45:54,619
You know, if you wanted
to play rock-a-billy,
1009
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,354
if you wanted to play country,
1010
00:45:56,454 --> 00:45:57,755
if you wanted to play blues,
1011
00:45:57,856 --> 00:46:01,159
if you wanted to play
psychedelic rock,
1012
00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:04,662
there was some Ventures'
instrumental that you could
learn.
1013
00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:07,866
- Probably the third
or fourth album we did
1014
00:46:07,966 --> 00:46:10,735
was "The Colorful Ventures".
1015
00:46:10,836 --> 00:46:15,640
And we had songs that had color.
1016
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:18,309
- Well, they'll be remembered in
our house
1017
00:46:18,409 --> 00:46:19,410
with their Christmas record
1018
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:20,812
because we know it's Christmas
1019
00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:23,514
when we put that Ventures'
record on for Christmas time.
1020
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:27,452
- We had a classical album.
1021
00:46:30,488 --> 00:46:34,292
And we had 35 musicians playing
behind us.
1022
00:46:34,392 --> 00:46:35,660
One time we thought, you know,
1023
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,962
we're going to do a disco album,
1024
00:46:41,466 --> 00:46:43,468
which, I mean as far as I'm
concerned,
1025
00:46:43,568 --> 00:46:46,337
Venture fans really scoffed at.
1026
00:46:46,437 --> 00:46:49,207
- Oh yeah, they did disco.
1027
00:46:49,307 --> 00:46:51,742
So, we won't talk about the
disco era.
1028
00:46:51,843 --> 00:46:53,778
- They permeate every aspect of
life.
1029
00:46:53,879 --> 00:46:54,880
I mean, there's something
1030
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:56,747
for every emotion that they've
got.
1031
00:46:56,848 --> 00:47:01,920
And I think that their songs
will live on for that reason.
1032
00:47:09,527 --> 00:47:12,797
- When we just,
1033
00:47:12,898 --> 00:47:14,065
like what I said before,
1034
00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:16,334
we kind of ran out of ideas.
1035
00:47:16,434 --> 00:47:18,636
We thought, let's get a keyboard
in there.
1036
00:47:18,736 --> 00:47:23,208
And so, we had a girl playing
keyboard for us to begin with.
1037
00:47:23,308 --> 00:47:24,809
We hired Hal Blaine,
1038
00:47:24,910 --> 00:47:27,178
which he was with The Wrecking
Crew
1039
00:47:27,278 --> 00:47:29,647
and he got triple scale
1040
00:47:29,747 --> 00:47:32,450
and we had him play the
tambourine.
1041
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:33,751
Can you believe that?
1042
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:37,822
Carol Kaye also played the bass
one time.
1043
00:47:37,923 --> 00:47:41,626
I had a neighbor in the '60s a
couple of houses away from me
1044
00:47:41,726 --> 00:47:44,362
and his name was Glen Campbell.
1045
00:47:44,462 --> 00:47:45,997
And I got to know him
1046
00:47:46,097 --> 00:47:50,801
and I said, would you like
to play some music with us.
1047
00:47:50,902 --> 00:47:52,837
And he said, oh, I'd love it.
1048
00:47:52,938 --> 00:47:55,740
So, we used him three or four
times.
1049
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,743
Tommy Allsup was the guitar
player
1050
00:47:58,843 --> 00:48:00,711
for Buddy Holly and The
Crickets.
1051
00:48:00,811 --> 00:48:02,180
He played a couple songs too.
1052
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,251
- I performed "Secret Agent
Man" with The Ventures
1053
00:48:06,351 --> 00:48:08,719
on the anniversary show.
1054
00:48:08,819 --> 00:48:11,957
And it was amazing to be part of
that.
1055
00:48:12,057 --> 00:48:15,426
I felt like I was in with the
guys.
1056
00:48:15,526 --> 00:48:16,561
I was part of the gang,
1057
00:48:16,661 --> 00:48:17,695
the surf gang.
1058
00:48:17,795 --> 00:48:19,330
If there's such a thing.
1059
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:22,400
- Billy Bob Thornton was a big,
big fan.
1060
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:23,834
- I was about to make an album.
1061
00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:25,403
It was before the Boxmasters.
1062
00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:28,706
We were doing a solo record of
mine.
1063
00:48:28,806 --> 00:48:29,707
I'd had this idea.
1064
00:48:29,807 --> 00:48:33,444
I said, why don't I just use The
Ventures
1065
00:48:33,544 --> 00:48:34,745
to make the record with?
1066
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,683
It was such an honor
getting to know those guys.
1067
00:48:38,783 --> 00:48:40,718
Since then, I've kept up with
them a lot.
1068
00:48:40,818 --> 00:48:42,954
I still have all of that stuff.
1069
00:48:44,122 --> 00:48:47,692
So, one of these days I'm
going to put it together
1070
00:48:47,792 --> 00:48:49,360
and maybe put it out, you know,
1071
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:51,296
as me with The Ventures.
1072
00:48:56,467 --> 00:48:58,636
- Gerry McGee joined the
band in the late '60s
1073
00:48:58,736 --> 00:49:00,471
when Nokie went on his
sabbatical.
1074
00:49:00,571 --> 00:49:03,808
- Gerry was a real
well-rounded guitar player.
1075
00:49:03,908 --> 00:49:05,310
I mean, really good.
1076
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:07,678
- Gerry played with
greats like Bobby Darin,
1077
00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:10,715
Delaney and Bonnie, Kris
Kristofferson, Elvis.
1078
00:49:10,815 --> 00:49:14,852
- He did an album with The
Monkees.
1079
00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:17,922
Before they played instruments
themselves,
1080
00:49:18,023 --> 00:49:19,890
he did a lot of the guitar work.
1081
00:49:19,991 --> 00:49:21,826
- His sound was different.
1082
00:49:21,926 --> 00:49:23,461
But it was always within the
bounds
1083
00:49:23,561 --> 00:49:24,996
of what The Ventures sound was
1084
00:49:25,096 --> 00:49:26,597
and it always has worked.
1085
00:49:26,697 --> 00:49:29,467
- I'll never forget
sitting in the control room
1086
00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:31,502
with Gerry McGee.
1087
00:49:31,602 --> 00:49:33,238
He was about to play something
1088
00:49:33,338 --> 00:49:35,473
and I said, where's your whammy
bar?
1089
00:49:35,573 --> 00:49:37,842
He said, I never used a
whammy bar in my life.
1090
00:49:37,942 --> 00:49:39,410
I said, you can make that thing
1091
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:41,479
jiggle that much without one?
1092
00:49:41,579 --> 00:49:42,713
He said, oh yeah.
1093
00:49:42,813 --> 00:49:44,849
We always did it that way.
1094
00:49:44,949 --> 00:49:47,918
So, I learned little things
about them,
1095
00:49:48,019 --> 00:49:51,156
about their guitar technique
and all that kind of thing.
1096
00:49:54,425 --> 00:49:56,927
- Somebody came to us with an
idea
1097
00:49:57,028 --> 00:49:59,130
called Guitar Phonics.
1098
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:00,298
And they said, you know,
1099
00:50:00,398 --> 00:50:03,068
there's a lot of people
learning off of your music
1100
00:50:03,168 --> 00:50:06,737
and I think you guys should
put out an instruction album
1101
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:08,005
where you play the song
1102
00:50:08,106 --> 00:50:10,275
and you explain what you're
doing with it
1103
00:50:10,375 --> 00:50:11,976
and the notes that you're
playing.
1104
00:50:12,077 --> 00:50:15,146
The first one hit the
charts, the Top 100s.
1105
00:50:15,246 --> 00:50:17,082
We decided we'd do a couple more
1106
00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:19,117
and those two hit the charts
too.
1107
00:50:19,217 --> 00:50:21,452
So, we had three instruction
albums
1108
00:50:21,552 --> 00:50:23,054
on the Top 100 of Billboards.
1109
00:50:23,154 --> 00:50:25,290
We had some kind of magic.
1110
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:26,824
We wanted it.
1111
00:50:26,924 --> 00:50:27,792
And you've got to want it.
1112
00:50:27,892 --> 00:50:31,096
There's not that many
instrumentals
1113
00:50:31,196 --> 00:50:33,998
that you can take and put on an
album,
1114
00:50:34,099 --> 00:50:37,768
so we use to take vocals
and Venturize them.
1115
00:50:37,868 --> 00:50:39,570
- The Ventures are known for,
1116
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:40,671
not being a cover band,
1117
00:50:40,771 --> 00:50:43,774
but for being interpreters
of a generation.
1118
00:50:43,874 --> 00:50:46,644
Every time a musical genre would
change,
1119
00:50:46,744 --> 00:50:49,747
they would do their own
version of the songs.
1120
00:50:49,847 --> 00:50:52,083
- They were imagineering, you
might say.
1121
00:50:52,183 --> 00:50:53,784
So, let's say they were doing
1122
00:50:55,019 --> 00:50:58,189
a song that had been a hit on
the radio
1123
00:50:58,289 --> 00:50:59,590
that had saxophone.
1124
00:50:59,690 --> 00:51:03,094
Rather than imitating the lines
that the saxophone played,
1125
00:51:03,194 --> 00:51:05,430
they would figure out some
other interesting thing
1126
00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:06,297
to play there,
1127
00:51:06,397 --> 00:51:08,566
like arpeggio with chords
1128
00:51:08,666 --> 00:51:09,667
or maybe
1129
00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:12,670
doing a rhythm thing with the
chords.
1130
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:13,738
- When you're a musician,
1131
00:51:13,838 --> 00:51:15,906
to play a cover of someone
else's songs,
1132
00:51:16,006 --> 00:51:19,477
you better be damn good.
1133
00:51:19,577 --> 00:51:20,578
You better be damn good
1134
00:51:20,678 --> 00:51:23,581
because you've got to be
better then the original.
1135
00:51:23,681 --> 00:51:25,816
- All the cover songs that they
did,
1136
00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:26,817
as well as their own,
1137
00:51:26,917 --> 00:51:28,586
really have their own stamp on
it
1138
00:51:28,686 --> 00:51:31,055
and I think it's such a unique
sound.
1139
00:51:42,367 --> 00:51:45,603
- If it was "Snoopy and the
Red Barron" or a disco track
1140
00:51:45,703 --> 00:51:48,139
or a film soundtrack,
1141
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,006
anything that was popular,
1142
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:50,408
they'd do their own version.
1143
00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:52,177
- So, people kind of thought
that songs
1144
00:51:52,277 --> 00:51:55,146
like "Pipeline" and "Wipeout"
were Ventures' songs,
1145
00:51:55,246 --> 00:51:57,047
even though they weren't,
originally.
1146
00:51:57,148 --> 00:51:57,982
In that regard,
1147
00:51:58,082 --> 00:52:00,251
The Ventures kind of road the
crest
1148
00:52:00,351 --> 00:52:01,919
of this instrumental music wave
1149
00:52:02,019 --> 00:52:03,888
as the best known group in
America
1150
00:52:03,988 --> 00:52:05,290
that did instrumental songs
1151
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:07,825
and became almost like a generic
term,
1152
00:52:07,925 --> 00:52:09,727
like Kleenex, you know.
1153
00:52:09,827 --> 00:52:12,463
- When they covered film
soundtrack stuff,
1154
00:52:12,563 --> 00:52:15,132
it becomes almost the iconic
version.
1155
00:52:15,233 --> 00:52:17,568
- I have to congratulate them
1156
00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:21,906
because they captured the energy
and the vigor of my music.
1157
00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:24,375
- We had an engineer
1158
00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:26,277
and he came to Mel one time
1159
00:52:26,377 --> 00:52:29,280
and he said, I just did some
engineering
1160
00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:31,749
to do the music for "Hawaii
Five-O".
1161
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:33,351
And he said that the writer,
1162
00:52:33,451 --> 00:52:35,720
who is Mort Stevens,
1163
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:40,157
only has a 30 second version
of it just for the show.
1164
00:52:40,258 --> 00:52:42,693
And he does not plan on
doing a longer version
1165
00:52:42,793 --> 00:52:44,395
or putting it out.
1166
00:52:44,495 --> 00:52:47,097
And so, he said, I think
you guys should put it out.
1167
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,775
We did the "Hawaii Five-O" video
1168
00:52:57,875 --> 00:53:00,245
and we did it out in the Mojave
Desert
1169
00:53:00,345 --> 00:53:02,046
on a dried up lake.
1170
00:53:02,146 --> 00:53:04,849
That was kind of our
last hurrah, let's say,
1171
00:53:04,949 --> 00:53:06,517
in the U.S.
1172
00:53:06,617 --> 00:53:08,919
"Hawaii Five-O" was a single
hit.
1173
00:53:09,987 --> 00:53:12,156
But we continued to sell albums,
1174
00:53:12,257 --> 00:53:14,525
especially in Japan.
1175
00:53:14,625 --> 00:53:17,094
- America seems to go in and out
of trends
1176
00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:19,297
and then they come back to them
later.
1177
00:53:19,397 --> 00:53:21,232
But The Ventures have
been popular in Japan
1178
00:53:21,332 --> 00:53:22,099
since the beginning.
1179
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:23,401
Still are to this day.
1180
00:53:23,501 --> 00:53:27,905
- We started going to Japan
in 1962, was the first time.
1181
00:53:31,376 --> 00:53:35,280
We were the opening act with
Bobby Vee
1182
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:38,082
and a girl named Joanne
Campbell.
1183
00:53:38,182 --> 00:53:40,718
And they were more listening
to their own music,
1184
00:53:40,818 --> 00:53:43,020
which was a the time call enka.
1185
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,356
- Enka is Japanese Blues.
1186
00:53:46,357 --> 00:53:47,558
Something like .
1187
00:53:55,766 --> 00:53:59,537
So, it was easy for Japanese
people to understand
1188
00:53:59,637 --> 00:54:02,540
and easy to feel the melody.
1189
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,577
It almost sounds like Japanese
people are playing the music.
1190
00:54:06,677 --> 00:54:10,147
- And when we came about with
guitars and electric guitars
1191
00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:13,217
and we started a guitar boom.
1192
00:54:13,318 --> 00:54:14,752
- When Don does his rundown,
1193
00:54:14,852 --> 00:54:16,754
it's ticky ticky ticky san.
1194
00:54:27,898 --> 00:54:32,670
- The second time we
came there was in 1964.
1195
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:35,973
We landed in Haneda Airport.
1196
00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:38,609
There were people on
the roof of the terminal
1197
00:54:38,709 --> 00:54:40,244
and all, you know.
1198
00:54:40,345 --> 00:54:41,245
I thought for a second,
1199
00:54:41,346 --> 00:54:43,448
who is on this airplane for
God's sake?
1200
00:54:43,548 --> 00:54:47,184
It must be the President
or the Emperor or somebody.
1201
00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:49,487
We get closer and they
had all kinds of signs
1202
00:54:49,587 --> 00:54:51,722
that said, welcome The Ventures.
1203
00:54:51,822 --> 00:54:54,091
They wanted to pull us into a
room
1204
00:54:54,191 --> 00:54:58,696
for radio and TV and all
that right away first thing.
1205
00:54:58,796 --> 00:55:01,165
Then when we left to go
out to get in the car,
1206
00:55:01,265 --> 00:55:02,400
our fans were out there.
1207
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:06,203
They were ripping at our clothes
and everything, you know.
1208
00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:08,739
You couldn't leave the hotel
room.
1209
00:55:08,839 --> 00:55:11,275
Maybe 100 people out there
waiting.
1210
00:55:15,045 --> 00:55:17,181
- The Japanese were just
developing
1211
00:55:17,281 --> 00:55:19,016
an interest in American culture
1212
00:55:19,116 --> 00:55:23,053
and at that time, English was
not as common as it was today.
1213
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:26,391
- The Ventures music
had no language barrier.
1214
00:55:26,491 --> 00:55:30,995
It was so simple for Japanese
people to just listen.
1215
00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:32,863
- They were attracted to the
feeling.
1216
00:55:32,963 --> 00:55:35,900
- "Walk Don't Run" doesn't say
walk don't run in the lyrics.
1217
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,703
So, you just make up your
own interpretation of that.
1218
00:55:38,803 --> 00:55:40,971
- Music is a universal language.
1219
00:55:43,541 --> 00:55:45,209
- It was Venture mania then.
1220
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:47,945
And a lot of mothers and fathers
1221
00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:49,880
tired to keep us out of the
country.
1222
00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:53,250
All that did was make the kids
want to see us more.
1223
00:55:58,656 --> 00:56:03,528
We turned out selling
about 40 million records
1224
00:56:03,628 --> 00:56:05,996
in Japan alone.
1225
00:56:06,096 --> 00:56:08,032
Our same record company had The
Beatles
1226
00:56:08,132 --> 00:56:09,634
when The Beatles came out.
1227
00:56:09,734 --> 00:56:11,101
And so, I know this for a fact.
1228
00:56:11,201 --> 00:56:14,338
Not only did we outsell
The Beatles in Japan,
1229
00:56:15,406 --> 00:56:17,141
but we outsold them two to one.
1230
00:56:17,241 --> 00:56:20,978
- They went to Japan in
1962 for the first time.
1231
00:56:21,979 --> 00:56:24,415
This is before The Beatles.
1232
00:56:24,515 --> 00:56:26,984
They went to Japan in 1966.
1233
00:56:27,084 --> 00:56:30,187
Then all the bands
started going into Japan,
1234
00:56:30,287 --> 00:56:32,923
Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and so
on.
1235
00:56:33,023 --> 00:56:35,359
- The success in Japan was
incredible.
1236
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:40,831
- We did 108 shows in 78 days
1237
00:56:40,931 --> 00:56:42,567
without a day off.
1238
00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:46,437
- It's been 60 years ever
since The Ventures came out.
1239
00:56:46,537 --> 00:56:51,075
And The Ventures did more
than 22,000 shows in Japan.
1240
00:56:51,175 --> 00:56:54,745
- We started writing
songs strictly for Japan.
1241
00:56:54,845 --> 00:56:59,049
Really listening to what they
did in buying their records
1242
00:56:59,149 --> 00:57:00,184
and listening to them
1243
00:57:00,284 --> 00:57:02,920
and seeing what kind of sounds
they had
1244
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,255
and what appealed to them.
1245
00:57:05,355 --> 00:57:09,594
- The Ventures did
collaborations
with the Japanese singers
1246
00:57:09,694 --> 00:57:12,597
and also, they came up
with the Japanese titles,
1247
00:57:12,697 --> 00:57:15,365
such as "Ginza Lights",
1248
00:57:15,466 --> 00:57:19,670
"Hokkaido Skies" and "The Kyoto
Dolls".
1249
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:20,971
- You know, they toured Japan
1250
00:57:21,071 --> 00:57:22,640
and you see people who were fans
of theirs
1251
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:23,841
when they were kids
1252
00:57:23,941 --> 00:57:26,376
but you also see people who,
1253
00:57:26,477 --> 00:57:30,280
young people there who know
the legend of The Ventures.
1254
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:31,682
- They'll never die in Japan.
1255
00:57:31,782 --> 00:57:33,884
- Japanese people love The
Ventures.
1256
00:57:33,984 --> 00:57:35,419
- Playing in front of a Japanese
audience
1257
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,154
I got to feel what The Ventures
felt.
1258
00:57:37,254 --> 00:57:39,289
They were super enthusiastic.
1259
00:57:42,092 --> 00:57:43,360
- I love The Ventures.
1260
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:44,228
- Teke teke wah.
1261
00:57:44,328 --> 00:57:45,963
- I love The Ventures.
1262
00:58:05,115 --> 00:58:10,120
- The Ventures performed
at Kohaku back in 1991.
1263
00:58:10,688 --> 00:58:14,091
Kohaku is a major music event.
1264
00:58:14,191 --> 00:58:18,162
It happens in the end of the
year.
1265
00:58:18,262 --> 00:58:20,765
In order to to perform for
Kohaku
1266
00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:22,366
you have to have a hit song
1267
00:58:22,466 --> 00:58:24,669
or you have to be very popular.
1268
00:58:24,769 --> 00:58:27,538
The Ventures were not just
popular
1269
00:58:27,638 --> 00:58:30,107
but it is part of our
Japanese culture now.
1270
00:58:34,178 --> 00:58:36,146
- There were no guitar groups in
Japan.
1271
00:58:37,281 --> 00:58:39,984
And now, when we go over to
Japan,
1272
00:58:41,586 --> 00:58:43,888
and have been for the last 20
years,
1273
00:58:46,456 --> 00:58:50,527
there's The Hiroshima
Ventures, The Tokyo Ventures,
1274
00:58:50,628 --> 00:58:54,632
The Osaka Ventures, The Sapporo
Ventures.
1275
00:58:54,732 --> 00:58:57,201
Every city in Japan has a
Ventures.
1276
00:58:57,301 --> 00:59:01,639
- Not just the big cities
like Tokyo or Osaka.
1277
00:59:01,739 --> 00:59:04,274
You just go to any cities in
Japan
1278
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:09,346
and you're going to always
find Ventures tribute bands.
1279
00:59:09,647 --> 00:59:12,282
- When I see them I get a kick
out of it.
1280
00:59:12,382 --> 00:59:14,685
They watch us so closely,
1281
00:59:14,785 --> 00:59:15,620
even on stage,
1282
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,055
that they're doing whatever we
do.
1283
00:59:18,155 --> 00:59:23,160
- So, the Japanese took The
Ventures into their hearts
1284
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,564
and no matter what was going
on in the rest of the world,
1285
00:59:27,665 --> 00:59:31,201
The Ventures always were welcome
in Japan.
1286
00:59:31,301 --> 00:59:33,003
Welcome is an understatement.
1287
00:59:34,471 --> 00:59:36,506
- When they become your fan,
1288
00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:38,542
it's your fan for life.
1289
00:59:38,643 --> 00:59:40,611
So, I look at it like,
1290
00:59:40,711 --> 00:59:42,279
if they're my,
1291
00:59:42,379 --> 00:59:43,914
they're loyal to me.
1292
00:59:44,014 --> 00:59:45,582
Now I'm their fan too.
1293
00:59:53,323 --> 00:59:55,492
- John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd
1294
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:58,028
created the unforgettable
killer bee characters
1295
00:59:58,128 --> 01:00:00,097
on Saturday Night Live in the
'70s.
1296
01:00:00,197 --> 01:00:03,367
The story goes that one day
they were walking along a beach
1297
01:00:03,467 --> 01:00:04,935
and talking about their debts.
1298
01:00:05,035 --> 01:00:06,937
And at the same time they were
listening
1299
01:00:07,037 --> 01:00:07,972
to a tape by The Ventures,
1300
01:00:08,072 --> 01:00:09,674
"The 2,000 Pound Bee".
1301
01:00:09,774 --> 01:00:13,443
- So, they made a pact,
whoever dies first,
1302
01:00:13,543 --> 01:00:14,812
the other one will play
1303
01:00:14,912 --> 01:00:18,348
"The 2,000 Pound Bee" at the
funeral.
1304
01:00:18,448 --> 01:00:20,550
John Belushi passed away.
1305
01:00:20,651 --> 01:00:24,789
Dan Aykroyd held up a portable
radio
1306
01:00:24,889 --> 01:00:29,894
and the sounds of The Ventures
filled St. John's The Divine.
1307
01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:37,034
We've had a lot of things
in movies, our songs,
1308
01:00:38,468 --> 01:00:42,606
and on TV, commercials and
things.
1309
01:00:42,707 --> 01:00:47,778
- Tarantino decided to put
a song in "Pulp Fiction".
1310
01:00:47,878 --> 01:00:50,147
- And that song was called "Surf
Rider".
1311
01:00:50,247 --> 01:00:51,181
- It was something that
1312
01:00:51,281 --> 01:00:53,818
when he was a kid learning to
play guitar,
1313
01:00:53,918 --> 01:00:54,952
he learned that song.
1314
01:00:55,052 --> 01:00:57,387
Well, it stuck with him all
those years.
1315
01:01:18,709 --> 01:01:20,510
- There's me as a 20 year old
1316
01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:23,714
as a gun toting surfing bad
girl.
1317
01:01:23,814 --> 01:01:28,786
- Our fans were use to seeing
pretty models on our covers.
1318
01:01:29,319 --> 01:01:31,621
We had quite a few.
1319
01:01:31,722 --> 01:01:35,259
And I like those too.
1320
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:36,660
- The vinyls appealed to me
1321
01:01:36,761 --> 01:01:38,495
because they had really groovy
looking
1322
01:01:38,595 --> 01:01:40,364
hot chicks on the cover,
1323
01:01:40,464 --> 01:01:42,532
colorful, happy.
1324
01:01:42,632 --> 01:01:45,836
- The females on the album
covers for The Ventures
1325
01:01:45,936 --> 01:01:47,337
were rad.
1326
01:01:47,437 --> 01:01:52,209
They were so sexy and
self-contained and confident
1327
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:56,380
and they were absolutely
a part of the music.
1328
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,549
- Half the time I'd pick out
the records by the covers.
1329
01:01:59,649 --> 01:02:02,386
And The Ventures had the coolest
covers.
1330
01:02:02,486 --> 01:02:05,923
Once I started seeing covers
like this,
1331
01:02:06,023 --> 01:02:08,793
and then when you opened it up
like this,
1332
01:02:08,893 --> 01:02:12,897
I mean, this was like
everything I was aspiring to.
1333
01:02:12,997 --> 01:02:14,664
- Back then in the early '60s
1334
01:02:14,765 --> 01:02:16,100
there was no social media.
1335
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,235
The way that you discovered who
they were
1336
01:02:18,335 --> 01:02:20,070
and how they created that music
1337
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:21,839
were the album jackets.
1338
01:02:21,939 --> 01:02:24,041
- I think it was a really neat
and fun way
1339
01:02:24,141 --> 01:02:26,376
to market themselves.
1340
01:02:26,476 --> 01:02:30,247
And it's super fun to
collect all of their albums
1341
01:02:30,347 --> 01:02:31,315
because of this.
1342
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:32,917
- Yeah, I think pretty
unique for the time too.
1343
01:02:33,017 --> 01:02:34,451
- Grab the eye, you know,
1344
01:02:34,551 --> 01:02:37,654
and once they played what they
played
1345
01:02:37,754 --> 01:02:38,956
it grabbed the ear,
1346
01:02:39,056 --> 01:02:40,090
so that was good.
1347
01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:46,596
- In the 70s, rock n' roll
itself
1348
01:02:46,696 --> 01:02:48,899
kind of died a little bit.
1349
01:02:48,999 --> 01:02:52,469
It had gone from being something
really cool and really fun
1350
01:02:52,569 --> 01:02:57,574
to these '70s rock stars
with their excessive habits.
1351
01:02:58,075 --> 01:03:00,210
- In the '80s a lot of people
1352
01:03:00,310 --> 01:03:04,714
started to reinvestigate their
early tones
1353
01:03:04,815 --> 01:03:07,584
because some of those
clean guitar tones were,
1354
01:03:07,684 --> 01:03:10,554
there's a purity to it, an
honesty
1355
01:03:10,654 --> 01:03:13,490
that got lost with all
the effects and distortion
1356
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:16,994
and some of the over technical
playing.
1357
01:03:17,094 --> 01:03:20,697
- Rodney Bingenheimer
started basically, KROQ,
1358
01:03:20,797 --> 01:03:26,436
as Rodney on the ROQ
playing new bands in 1976.
1359
01:03:26,536 --> 01:03:28,605
The radio station would say,
1360
01:03:28,705 --> 01:03:31,808
you can't play music
from the '60s anymore.
1361
01:03:33,878 --> 01:03:35,479
- The Ventures had never stopped
1362
01:03:35,579 --> 01:03:37,915
because of their popularity in
Japan,
1363
01:03:39,449 --> 01:03:41,251
so they were still around.
1364
01:03:41,351 --> 01:03:42,987
- Some kids, like punk rockers,
1365
01:03:43,087 --> 01:03:45,222
started calling into the
radio station to say,
1366
01:03:45,322 --> 01:03:49,259
who's that new wave group
called The Ventures?
1367
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:52,262
And these are kids that
had never heard of us
1368
01:03:52,362 --> 01:03:53,797
or didn't know at all.
1369
01:03:53,898 --> 01:03:56,566
But they thought we were
something new.
1370
01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:58,035
- They would send these letters
saying,
1371
01:03:58,135 --> 01:04:00,604
we're like The Ventures
meets this meets this
1372
01:04:00,704 --> 01:04:02,239
but we're also like punk rock.
1373
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:05,342
- Punk rock kind of
brought rock and roll back,
1374
01:04:05,442 --> 01:04:07,177
the original spirit of rock and
roll.
1375
01:04:07,277 --> 01:04:09,846
- The punk bands loved The
Ventures for the simplicity,
1376
01:04:09,947 --> 01:04:12,349
the do it yourself mentality.
1377
01:04:12,449 --> 01:04:14,818
- Oh yeah, Ventures signed my
guitar.
1378
01:04:14,919 --> 01:04:18,122
- I think that's how a lot
of people learned to play.
1379
01:04:18,222 --> 01:04:19,256
So, that's why they loved them.
1380
01:04:19,356 --> 01:04:21,391
And it was very simple to play.
1381
01:04:21,491 --> 01:04:23,027
It's very hard to get right
1382
01:04:23,127 --> 01:04:24,394
but it's simple to play.
1383
01:04:24,494 --> 01:04:28,865
- The rapid fire rhythm of punk
1384
01:04:28,966 --> 01:04:31,635
was very reminiscent of Don
Wilson's
1385
01:04:31,735 --> 01:04:34,071
punk rhythm playing on 1960.
1386
01:04:34,171 --> 01:04:35,805
No one was playing bar chord
like that.
1387
01:04:35,906 --> 01:04:37,174
Other people were jazz
guitarists
1388
01:04:37,274 --> 01:04:40,277
playing finger-pick style
and bar chords and all that.
1389
01:04:40,377 --> 01:04:45,115
Don Wilson was doing a
punk style rhythm guitar.
1390
01:04:45,215 --> 01:04:47,517
- A bar chord, for people
that don't play guitar,
1391
01:04:47,617 --> 01:04:49,186
as oppose to the cowboy chords,
1392
01:04:49,286 --> 01:04:51,621
which are what you learn
when you play classical,
1393
01:04:51,721 --> 01:04:53,790
it's a chord that can be played
1394
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:56,226
with one finger, two fingers
underneath
1395
01:04:56,326 --> 01:04:59,629
and it can be moved up and
down the neck of the guitar.
1396
01:04:59,729 --> 01:05:02,299
So, if you want to play G, A and
B,
1397
01:05:02,399 --> 01:05:05,435
you don't have to learn all
this complicated Segovia stuff.
1398
01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:07,471
You play the same thing but you
move it.
1399
01:05:07,571 --> 01:05:09,773
The Sex Pistols, The Ramones,
1400
01:05:09,873 --> 01:05:13,643
all of the kind of iconic 101
punk stuff
1401
01:05:13,743 --> 01:05:15,545
is based around bar chords.
1402
01:05:15,645 --> 01:05:17,681
Johnny Ramone used a Mosrite
guitar
1403
01:05:17,781 --> 01:05:19,283
but that that was by design or
not,
1404
01:05:19,383 --> 01:05:20,517
I have no idea.
1405
01:05:20,617 --> 01:05:22,119
I never asked him.
1406
01:05:22,219 --> 01:05:24,754
But that's definitely a
Ventures' style guitar
1407
01:05:24,854 --> 01:05:27,424
and there were Ventures'
style guitar chords
1408
01:05:27,524 --> 01:05:30,360
all the way through all The
Ramones stuff.
1409
01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:33,430
- We were big fans of The
Ventures.
1410
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:35,732
We loved the instrumentals they
did.
1411
01:05:35,832 --> 01:05:38,468
They were the best at what they
do.
1412
01:05:38,568 --> 01:05:40,370
- The Ventures sounded
dangerous.
1413
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:41,805
They sounded "hoodlum-y".
1414
01:05:41,905 --> 01:05:43,907
Their music just sounded like,
1415
01:05:45,075 --> 01:05:46,776
like it would befit the kind of
people
1416
01:05:46,876 --> 01:05:49,779
that would show up in hotrods to
the beach
1417
01:05:49,879 --> 01:05:50,880
in leather jackets
1418
01:05:50,981 --> 01:05:52,983
and then just hang out there,
1419
01:05:53,083 --> 01:05:54,251
not right on the sand
1420
01:05:54,351 --> 01:05:57,621
but on the beac. like,
"hoodlum-y" smoking a cigarette
1421
01:05:57,721 --> 01:06:00,357
and watching the girls
in their bikinis go by.
1422
01:06:00,457 --> 01:06:01,925
- The Ventures live in Japan,
1423
01:06:02,026 --> 01:06:06,963
it has the most aggressive,
amazing sound, I think ever.
1424
01:06:07,064 --> 01:06:09,866
I mean, I think that the Sex
Pistols
1425
01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:11,735
were getting a run for their
money there.
1426
01:06:11,835 --> 01:06:14,104
- I actually got my job
1427
01:06:14,204 --> 01:06:17,174
because a guy who had
been the road manager
1428
01:06:17,274 --> 01:06:20,077
was about six two, six three
1429
01:06:20,177 --> 01:06:24,481
and he got his nose broken at
Disneyland
1430
01:06:24,581 --> 01:06:26,050
at a gig at Disneyland.
1431
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:27,251
I asked him,
1432
01:06:27,351 --> 01:06:29,686
I said, how come you're
willing to give this gig up?
1433
01:06:29,786 --> 01:06:33,223
He said, too crazy for me.
1434
01:06:33,323 --> 01:06:36,026
And at that time The Ventures
were all in their mid 40s
1435
01:06:36,126 --> 01:06:37,494
and this was too crazy.
1436
01:06:37,594 --> 01:06:38,895
The mods and rockers were
showing up
1437
01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:40,497
having a war with each other.
1438
01:06:40,597 --> 01:06:42,966
- Oh yeah, because we had slam
dancers,
1439
01:06:43,067 --> 01:06:44,601
if you ever remember that.
1440
01:06:45,735 --> 01:06:47,871
I mean, they were just
rough on each other.
1441
01:06:51,308 --> 01:06:52,742
Do we appeal to them?
1442
01:06:52,842 --> 01:06:53,643
Wow.
1443
01:06:53,743 --> 01:06:55,312
- We played CBGBs in New York.
1444
01:06:55,412 --> 01:06:57,013
We played The Mudd Room in New
York.
1445
01:06:57,114 --> 01:06:59,749
The 9:30 Club in Washington, DC,
1446
01:06:59,849 --> 01:07:01,218
Peppermint Lounge in New York
City.
1447
01:07:01,318 --> 01:07:04,221
I had kids doing swan dives off
the stage.
1448
01:07:04,321 --> 01:07:06,256
They'd get past me and run out
1449
01:07:06,356 --> 01:07:09,226
and just to a swan dive into the
audience.
1450
01:07:09,326 --> 01:07:11,828
I mean, there was some,
1451
01:07:12,962 --> 01:07:14,231
they were seriously crazy times.
1452
01:07:14,331 --> 01:07:16,032
- Even though we all had
our roots in punk rock,
1453
01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:18,435
we were really, really super
informed
1454
01:07:18,535 --> 01:07:23,540
by that whole early '60s
mod beach party aesthetic.
1455
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,077
That led to Go-Go's to
write "Surfin' & Spyin'",
1456
01:07:27,177 --> 01:07:30,480
which was actually
influenced by The Ventures.
1457
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:31,615
She wrote this next song.
1458
01:07:32,949 --> 01:07:34,551
The Ventures recorded it,
1459
01:07:34,651 --> 01:07:35,685
so you'll be hearing it soon.
1460
01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:36,553
It's an instrumental.
1461
01:07:36,653 --> 01:07:37,687
It's called "Surfin' & Spyin'"
1462
01:07:37,787 --> 01:07:39,423
and it's also a dance song.
1463
01:07:39,523 --> 01:07:42,326
- And they came down to our
studio
1464
01:07:42,426 --> 01:07:45,995
where we were recording
and they recorded with us.
1465
01:07:46,096 --> 01:07:46,996
We recorded their song
1466
01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:49,599
and they played along.
1467
01:07:49,699 --> 01:07:51,601
- There's a pretty straight
line that you can draw
1468
01:07:51,701 --> 01:07:54,504
between The Ventures and
all this guitar music
1469
01:07:54,604 --> 01:07:55,739
that came later on.
1470
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:58,041
Whether you're talking about
punk rock with The Ramones
1471
01:07:58,142 --> 01:08:00,344
or new wave with the B-52's
1472
01:08:00,444 --> 01:08:01,811
or you know, even heavy metal
1473
01:08:01,911 --> 01:08:05,615
was some of the crazy
sort of violent leads
1474
01:08:05,715 --> 01:08:07,083
that Nokie would play.
1475
01:08:08,685 --> 01:08:12,656
- Somebody sent me a CD of
Anthrax
1476
01:08:12,756 --> 01:08:16,059
and they said, so many
people just don't know
1477
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,630
what a contribution Don
Wilson and Nokie Edwards
1478
01:08:20,730 --> 01:08:23,400
did for thrash metal.
1479
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:24,834
- Both surf music and heavy
metal
1480
01:08:24,934 --> 01:08:26,536
are the province of the electric
guitar.
1481
01:08:31,141 --> 01:08:34,911
To hard rock of the 1970s,
classic metal of the '80s
1482
01:08:35,011 --> 01:08:37,247
and into today's massive guitar
tones
1483
01:08:37,347 --> 01:08:40,150
that form the backbone
of modern extreme metal,
1484
01:08:40,250 --> 01:08:42,652
on behalf of all of us
metal guitar players,
1485
01:08:42,752 --> 01:08:44,120
thank you Ventures.
1486
01:08:44,221 --> 01:08:45,189
Horns up.
1487
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:47,056
- The Ventures have always been
known
1488
01:08:47,157 --> 01:08:50,194
as the band that launched 10,000
bands.
1489
01:08:50,294 --> 01:08:53,029
- Rodney Bingenheimer, he
believes that pretty much
1490
01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:55,732
almost every band was
inspired by The Ventures.
1491
01:08:57,167 --> 01:08:58,568
Whether they know it or not.
1492
01:08:58,668 --> 01:09:00,437
- In the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame
1493
01:09:00,537 --> 01:09:03,640
I was backstage and
Billy Joel was back there
1494
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:05,309
and he came to me and
he said, you know,
1495
01:09:05,409 --> 01:09:09,045
one of the very first songs
that I ever learned on the piano
1496
01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:10,847
was "Walk Don't Run".
1497
01:09:10,947 --> 01:09:12,549
There's a lot of people
that give us credit
1498
01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:14,384
for a lot of things that they
play,
1499
01:09:14,484 --> 01:09:17,020
which would not be our style.
1500
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:16,546
A disc jockey we're
very good friends with,
1501
01:10:16,646 --> 01:10:18,548
his name is Mark Christopher,
1502
01:10:18,648 --> 01:10:22,752
and he does a lot of
work in the Seattle area
1503
01:10:22,852 --> 01:10:25,889
with KBSG Radio.
1504
01:10:25,989 --> 01:10:27,857
- Do you think they've
earned a nomination yet
1505
01:10:27,957 --> 01:10:29,092
for the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame?
1506
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:32,729
- We got a petition together
1507
01:10:32,829 --> 01:10:34,063
and had people sign it
1508
01:10:34,163 --> 01:10:36,266
that wanted us to be in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
1509
01:10:36,366 --> 01:10:39,235
- It was an incredible moment
this morning
1510
01:10:39,336 --> 01:10:40,770
in the state capital.
1511
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:42,939
First time I know of, ever
1512
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,575
when a rock and roll band was
invited
1513
01:10:45,675 --> 01:10:47,176
to appear before the state
legislature
1514
01:10:47,277 --> 01:10:48,412
to receive what was called
1515
01:10:48,512 --> 01:10:51,080
the proclamation of a
resolution of support
1516
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:53,116
for something that all the
Senators
1517
01:10:53,216 --> 01:10:54,751
voted unanimous and believing in
1518
01:10:54,851 --> 01:10:55,852
and that the The Ventures
1519
01:10:55,952 --> 01:10:57,020
to somehow get a nomination
1520
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,854
to the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame.
1521
01:10:59,055 --> 01:11:02,058
- We got the legislature,
the Senate and the House
1522
01:11:02,158 --> 01:11:05,562
and everybody together
in Washington state.
1523
01:11:05,662 --> 01:11:06,430
- Great job.
1524
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:08,665
We were rocking in Olympia
today.
1525
01:11:08,765 --> 01:11:11,234
You know, I kind of set down
a little protocol that I have
1526
01:11:11,335 --> 01:11:13,437
that requires that everything be
handled
1527
01:11:13,537 --> 01:11:15,405
with dignity and decorum.
1528
01:11:15,505 --> 01:11:16,640
And we put on The Ventures
1529
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:18,942
and we rocked on the floor of
the Senate.
1530
01:11:21,478 --> 01:11:23,380
They recorded over 3,000 songs,
1531
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:25,715
released over 250 albums.
1532
01:11:25,815 --> 01:11:28,652
They are ambassadors to the
world.
1533
01:11:31,287 --> 01:11:36,092
- The Rock Hall has very strict
criteria on who they accept.
1534
01:11:36,192 --> 01:11:39,929
First of all, you have to
have 25 years of playing time,
1535
01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:41,264
you need a body of work
1536
01:11:41,365 --> 01:11:43,667
and your significance in the
contribution
1537
01:11:43,767 --> 01:11:45,635
and perpetuation of rock and
roll
1538
01:11:45,735 --> 01:11:47,937
is also a key criteria point.
1539
01:11:48,037 --> 01:11:52,642
- We were eligible for 22 years.
1540
01:11:52,742 --> 01:11:54,277
- They were preeminently
qualified
1541
01:11:54,378 --> 01:11:56,145
but they needed a push to get
them in.
1542
01:11:56,245 --> 01:11:57,847
- There are many artists
1543
01:11:57,947 --> 01:12:01,117
that are nominated for the Hall
of Fame
1544
01:12:01,217 --> 01:12:02,552
but they don't get in.
1545
01:12:02,652 --> 01:12:04,521
And I think there are some
1546
01:12:04,621 --> 01:12:06,523
that have been nominated three
times
1547
01:12:06,623 --> 01:12:07,924
and they still didn't get in.
1548
01:12:08,024 --> 01:12:09,693
So, when we were nominated,
1549
01:12:09,793 --> 01:12:11,828
we got in the very first time.
1550
01:12:11,928 --> 01:12:14,063
- It all started about 50 years
ago
1551
01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:17,434
when Don Wilson and Bob Bogle
got together
1552
01:12:17,534 --> 01:12:20,203
and talked about maybe
getting some guitars
1553
01:12:20,303 --> 01:12:21,838
and starting a band.
1554
01:12:21,938 --> 01:12:24,007
With the help of Don's mom,
1555
01:12:24,107 --> 01:12:27,110
they formed their own record
company
1556
01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:28,244
and they cut an instrumental
1557
01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:31,180
that they'd heard on a Chet
Atkins record.
1558
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:32,516
It gets picked up nationally
1559
01:12:32,616 --> 01:12:35,051
and makes it all the way to
number two.
1560
01:12:35,151 --> 01:12:38,622
That record kicked open a
whole movement in rock and roll
1561
01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:41,625
and empowered guitar players
everywhere.
1562
01:12:41,725 --> 01:12:46,730
The Ventures have gone on
to record over 250 albums.
1563
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:51,468
Now days, some of us would
be happy to sell 250 albums.
1564
01:12:52,469 --> 01:12:54,538
The Ventures are the most
popular
1565
01:12:54,638 --> 01:12:57,741
instrumental rock and
roll band of all time.
1566
01:12:57,841 --> 01:13:01,077
It is my honor to induct The
Ventures
1567
01:13:01,177 --> 01:13:03,246
into the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame.
1568
01:13:04,581 --> 01:13:06,483
- I've had the opportunity
to work with this great band
1569
01:13:06,583 --> 01:13:10,353
and I got the honor tonight
to play "Walk Don't Run"
1570
01:13:10,454 --> 01:13:13,723
for a friend and a mentor, Mr.
Bob Bogle,
1571
01:13:13,823 --> 01:13:15,892
the co-founder of The Ventures
1572
01:13:15,992 --> 01:13:20,263
and a truly innovator of
guitar and bass guitar.
1573
01:13:20,363 --> 01:13:23,099
Bob wanted to express his
profound thanks
1574
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,470
for his induction and
The Ventures induction
1575
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:27,971
into the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame.
1576
01:13:28,071 --> 01:13:30,707
- I want to thank our
fans all over the world.
1577
01:13:30,807 --> 01:13:33,777
May God bless you and
keep you safe and healthy.
1578
01:13:35,078 --> 01:13:37,914
- It was a whirlwind five
day period in New York City
1579
01:13:38,014 --> 01:13:39,182
surrounding the event.
1580
01:13:39,282 --> 01:13:42,385
- This is our display in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
1581
01:13:42,486 --> 01:13:44,788
It happens to be right next to
Madonna.
1582
01:13:44,888 --> 01:13:46,355
- It's really great
1583
01:13:46,456 --> 01:13:47,857
that they're in the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame.
1584
01:13:47,957 --> 01:13:52,028
They absolutely are so
worthy of that honor.
1585
01:13:52,128 --> 01:13:54,698
- To see The Ventures honored in
a forum
1586
01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:56,132
that's very eclectic,
1587
01:13:56,232 --> 01:13:58,001
did my heart really good.
1588
01:13:58,101 --> 01:13:59,736
- I want to compliment The
Ventures
1589
01:13:59,836 --> 01:14:01,805
on their 50th anniversary.
1590
01:14:01,905 --> 01:14:02,972
They certainly,
1591
01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:06,075
they're certainly in the
blueprint of rock.
1592
01:14:06,175 --> 01:14:09,378
- The induction ceremony,
the after glow party
1593
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,214
and all the events the day of
1594
01:14:11,314 --> 01:14:13,416
were pretty special, obviously.
1595
01:14:13,517 --> 01:14:16,219
But there was a surprising
thing that we did the day after
1596
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,187
and that was the ringing of the
bell
1597
01:14:18,287 --> 01:14:19,889
at the New York Stock Exchange.
1598
01:14:20,857 --> 01:14:23,860
- So, The Ventures in April of
1996
1599
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,596
were honored with
putting their hand prints
1600
01:14:26,696 --> 01:14:28,397
at the Rock Walk Hall of Fame,
1601
01:14:28,498 --> 01:14:31,300
which is in Hollywood
at the Guitar Center.
1602
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,103
And it's since kind of
become a must see stop
1603
01:14:34,203 --> 01:14:36,139
for music tourists.
1604
01:14:46,683 --> 01:14:49,052
We knew the manager of the House
of Blues
1605
01:14:49,152 --> 01:14:50,153
and he got us on the bill.
1606
01:14:50,253 --> 01:14:51,320
They played that night.
1607
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:52,656
When we got to the House of
Blues
1608
01:14:52,756 --> 01:14:53,657
they were very generous.
1609
01:14:53,757 --> 01:14:55,258
Their back stage door was open
1610
01:14:55,358 --> 01:14:57,193
and they answered my dopey
questions.
1611
01:14:57,293 --> 01:14:59,829
And you could tell they really
enjoyed what they were doing.
1612
01:14:59,929 --> 01:15:03,066
- I've had just amazing
experiences and memories
1613
01:15:03,166 --> 01:15:03,933
with all these guys.
1614
01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:05,134
- You know, they were rock stars
1615
01:15:05,234 --> 01:15:06,770
without being rock stars.
1616
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:10,373
You could just walk right up
to Nokie or Don or Bob or Mel
1617
01:15:10,473 --> 01:15:11,675
and they would talk to you.
1618
01:15:11,775 --> 01:15:13,610
- They were just good people,
you know.
1619
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:14,778
You could,
1620
01:15:14,878 --> 01:15:17,113
you felt good knowing them.
1621
01:15:17,213 --> 01:15:19,916
They weren't out doing
crazy things or anything.
1622
01:15:20,016 --> 01:15:22,385
- They're all such regular guys
1623
01:15:22,485 --> 01:15:25,555
that they put you at ease right
away.
1624
01:15:25,655 --> 01:15:26,690
- What was interesting about
that
1625
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:30,259
is later on when you'd get
attitude from rock stars,
1626
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,896
I always remember how
accessible these guys were
1627
01:15:32,996 --> 01:15:34,564
and how nice they were to their
fans.
1628
01:15:34,664 --> 01:15:37,400
And I think that's been a
big part of their success.
1629
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:40,570
- I have some letters here from
Japan.
1630
01:15:40,670 --> 01:15:42,906
Our Japanese fans are really
true.
1631
01:15:43,006 --> 01:15:46,576
I mean, they start with
you, they end with you.
1632
01:15:46,676 --> 01:15:47,744
Anyway, this one says,
1633
01:15:47,844 --> 01:15:52,481
thanks a lot for your
nice band all the time.
1634
01:15:53,416 --> 01:15:56,786
I'm so happy to listening your
music.
1635
01:15:56,886 --> 01:16:00,790
Hello, my name is Susumu.
1636
01:16:00,890 --> 01:16:02,792
I ride in a wheelchair.
1637
01:16:13,169 --> 01:16:15,238
I have a lot from different
countries.
1638
01:16:15,338 --> 01:16:18,642
Some from England, Germany, you
name it.
1639
01:16:18,742 --> 01:16:21,077
There was somebody that sent me
a letter
1640
01:16:21,177 --> 01:16:24,347
that was totally deaf.
1641
01:16:24,447 --> 01:16:27,784
And what he use to do is play
the
1642
01:16:27,884 --> 01:16:30,086
our record and put his hand on
the speaker
1643
01:16:30,186 --> 01:16:31,821
and the vibration,
1644
01:16:31,921 --> 01:16:33,757
he could understand that.
1645
01:16:33,857 --> 01:16:35,759
Yeah, that's really amazing.
1646
01:16:35,859 --> 01:16:36,592
- I was a kid.
1647
01:16:36,693 --> 01:16:37,661
I was 11 years old.
1648
01:16:37,761 --> 01:16:38,928
I wrote a letter to
The Ventures' fan club.
1649
01:16:39,028 --> 01:16:40,296
I wrote a letter to Bob Bogle
1650
01:16:40,396 --> 01:16:41,831
and he sent me back a letter.
1651
01:16:43,432 --> 01:16:44,834
I said, what kind of guitar
should I buy?
1652
01:16:44,934 --> 01:16:45,902
And he said, thank you for your
letter
1653
01:16:46,002 --> 01:16:48,404
and you should go buy a Fender
Jazzmaster.
1654
01:16:48,504 --> 01:16:51,007
So, I went and bought a Fender
Jazzmaster.
1655
01:16:51,107 --> 01:16:53,609
- In Seattle one time,
it was just after a show
1656
01:16:53,710 --> 01:16:56,212
and a young man came up in a
wheelchair.
1657
01:16:56,312 --> 01:16:57,981
He was pushed up by his brother.
1658
01:16:58,081 --> 01:17:02,786
And he wanted an autograph or
something signed by the guys.
1659
01:17:02,886 --> 01:17:05,288
So, I went down and I told Bob
what was up
1660
01:17:05,388 --> 01:17:06,389
and he says, well,
1661
01:17:06,489 --> 01:17:08,124
why don't I just come
out there and meet him?
1662
01:17:08,224 --> 01:17:09,525
So, he did.
1663
01:17:09,625 --> 01:17:11,761
And the look on this guys face
was just,
1664
01:17:11,861 --> 01:17:12,896
it was priceless.
1665
01:17:12,996 --> 01:17:14,798
And Bob was so gracious,
1666
01:17:14,898 --> 01:17:15,865
signed some things,
1667
01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:17,166
gave him some picks
1668
01:17:17,266 --> 01:17:18,601
and spent time with him.
1669
01:17:18,702 --> 01:17:22,005
And I just thought that this
was a truly great man here.
1670
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:26,309
- He was a very pensive man,
1671
01:17:26,409 --> 01:17:29,578
very introspective.
1672
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:31,681
Before he would answer a
question,
1673
01:17:31,781 --> 01:17:34,283
he would stop for a
minute and think about it
1674
01:17:34,383 --> 01:17:35,651
and really give it some thought
1675
01:17:35,752 --> 01:17:36,986
before he gave you an answer,
1676
01:17:37,086 --> 01:17:39,889
which means number one, he
cared about what he said
1677
01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:41,791
and he cared about what
he was saying to you
1678
01:17:41,891 --> 01:17:43,492
because it was important to him.
1679
01:17:44,527 --> 01:17:46,930
- Nokie would talk, talk and
talk and talk
1680
01:17:49,132 --> 01:17:51,034
until you put a microphone
in front of him.
1681
01:17:51,134 --> 01:17:52,501
Then he couldn't say anything.
1682
01:17:52,601 --> 01:17:54,537
- I liked to call him the
Nokester
1683
01:17:54,637 --> 01:17:56,572
because he's such a funny guy.
1684
01:17:56,672 --> 01:17:58,307
He's always telling jokes.
1685
01:17:58,407 --> 01:18:00,243
He taps me on the back, I turn
around
1686
01:18:00,343 --> 01:18:03,579
and he's got two symbol felts in
his eyes
1687
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:06,249
and they're kind of like raccoon
eyes.
1688
01:18:06,349 --> 01:18:08,785
And he's just got this look on
his face.
1689
01:18:08,885 --> 01:18:10,053
It was priceless.
1690
01:18:10,153 --> 01:18:11,687
Don was always fun to be with.
1691
01:18:11,788 --> 01:18:13,656
He just was always joking about
things
1692
01:18:13,757 --> 01:18:15,191
and always good spirited.
1693
01:18:15,291 --> 01:18:16,960
- Don's a lot of fun.
1694
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:18,995
He's always got great stories.
1695
01:18:19,095 --> 01:18:20,997
- Fans come up and talk
about the same thing.
1696
01:18:21,097 --> 01:18:22,899
He's probably heard it so many
times
1697
01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:27,436
but he is genuinely thankful and
gracious.
1698
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:29,105
And that says a lot.
1699
01:18:29,205 --> 01:18:30,940
- Don and I became really good
friends
1700
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,910
just because we're both a little
nuts
1701
01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:34,978
and when we were on stage,
1702
01:18:35,078 --> 01:18:37,113
it was just like a couple of
kids.
1703
01:18:37,213 --> 01:18:38,547
- Don, in addition to his set
list,
1704
01:18:38,647 --> 01:18:40,817
had this thing called his
pattern.
1705
01:18:40,917 --> 01:18:42,919
And his pattern were really
bullet points
1706
01:18:43,019 --> 01:18:44,720
for all the jokes he wanted to
tell.
1707
01:18:44,821 --> 01:18:48,124
- A good looking girl sit
next to me, of course,
1708
01:18:48,224 --> 01:18:51,060
and I says to her, do you
think you could get interested
1709
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:52,495
in an older man?
1710
01:18:54,063 --> 01:18:54,831
She looks at me and says,
1711
01:18:54,931 --> 01:18:56,465
why, you got a son?
1712
01:18:57,566 --> 01:18:58,968
I learned some impressions,
1713
01:18:59,936 --> 01:19:02,238
impersonations of different
actors.
1714
01:19:02,338 --> 01:19:03,539
I had a hat rack
1715
01:19:03,639 --> 01:19:06,409
and I put on a different hat
for different impersonations.
1716
01:19:06,509 --> 01:19:10,313
I did James Cagney and Ed
Sullivan.
1717
01:19:10,413 --> 01:19:13,582
Use to be rock and roll to me
then.
1718
01:19:13,682 --> 01:19:18,254
But at my age now, it's rock and
Rolaids.
1719
01:19:18,354 --> 01:19:19,088
- Thank you very much.
1720
01:19:19,188 --> 01:19:20,089
We're going to feature our
singer
1721
01:19:20,189 --> 01:19:20,924
- What?
1722
01:19:21,024 --> 01:19:21,757
- at this point.
1723
01:19:21,858 --> 01:19:22,591
- Wait a minute.
1724
01:19:22,691 --> 01:19:23,692
What'd you say?
1725
01:19:23,793 --> 01:19:24,861
- We're going to feature
our vocalist over here.
1726
01:19:24,961 --> 01:19:27,096
- I thought we
were an instrumental group.
1727
01:19:27,196 --> 01:19:30,066
- Yeah, we're basically
an instrumental group.
1728
01:19:30,166 --> 01:19:31,434
We don't often sing
1729
01:19:31,534 --> 01:19:33,002
and you're going to find out
why.
1730
01:19:35,004 --> 01:19:38,975
- I went down to a University
of Washington seminar
1731
01:19:39,075 --> 01:19:41,210
where Don spoke
1732
01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:43,146
and it was so interesting
1733
01:19:43,246 --> 01:19:46,449
hearing him talk about some
of the stories from the road
1734
01:19:46,549 --> 01:19:50,219
and he kind of demonstrated
how a group could be successful
1735
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:52,621
and have incredible longevity
1736
01:19:52,721 --> 01:19:54,590
while maintaining integrity.
1737
01:20:28,557 --> 01:20:33,062
They maintained a touring
schedule over all these years.
1738
01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:37,333
It's just a very inspiring
thing.
1739
01:20:37,433 --> 01:20:41,004
- I had worked now for 56 years
in a row.
1740
01:20:41,104 --> 01:20:42,138
That's a lot.
1741
01:20:42,238 --> 01:20:45,508
I mean, most people do
20, 25 years, they retire.
1742
01:20:45,608 --> 01:20:47,076
I didn't want to.
1743
01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:52,181
My last show was in Japan
in 2015, believe it or not.
1744
01:21:05,294 --> 01:21:08,998
Now, with me retiring,
1745
01:21:09,098 --> 01:21:11,200
the group still goes on.
1746
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:16,105
When Mel passed away his
son took over, Leon Taylor.
1747
01:21:16,205 --> 01:21:17,941
And he had learned the drums
1748
01:21:18,041 --> 01:21:20,676
when he was a little kid, from
his dad.
1749
01:21:20,776 --> 01:21:22,378
- Bob Spalding and Lucas Griffin
1750
01:21:22,478 --> 01:21:24,013
head up the new version of the
group.
1751
01:21:24,113 --> 01:21:25,982
Bob's been there 30 years or
more.
1752
01:21:26,082 --> 01:21:27,583
And Lucas is the new bass
player.
1753
01:21:27,683 --> 01:21:30,786
And I got to jam with them at
Venturefest,
1754
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:34,223
which occurs every year in
October in Pennsylvania.
1755
01:21:34,323 --> 01:21:37,893
- They, like I said, go to
Japan.
1756
01:21:37,994 --> 01:21:39,728
They play locally.
1757
01:21:39,828 --> 01:21:42,765
They've had offers to go to
Europe.
1758
01:21:42,865 --> 01:21:44,733
I'm very happy about that.
1759
01:21:44,833 --> 01:21:47,937
I would hate to see The
Ventures die on the line.
1760
01:21:48,037 --> 01:21:51,907
So, they will keep The
Ventures name alive and going.
1761
01:21:57,113 --> 01:21:58,147
- Here they are still playing
1762
01:21:58,247 --> 01:21:59,348
all these years later.
1763
01:21:59,448 --> 01:22:01,184
I mean, they just keep on going
1764
01:22:01,284 --> 01:22:03,552
and keep their fans happy.
1765
01:22:03,652 --> 01:22:04,420
- They were the ones.
1766
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,889
They put out so many great
albums.
1767
01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:10,126
- It speaks for the integrity
of music in general too
1768
01:22:10,226 --> 01:22:12,461
that you can tour the world
1769
01:22:12,561 --> 01:22:15,298
and speak to all these different
languages
1770
01:22:15,398 --> 01:22:17,500
in the single language of music.
1771
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,968
- There's never been an
instrumental band
1772
01:22:19,068 --> 01:22:20,169
that's been as popular.
1773
01:22:20,269 --> 01:22:22,705
- The Ventures will always
be known as, I don't know,
1774
01:22:22,805 --> 01:22:25,808
the Godfathers of guitar
instrumentals.
1775
01:22:25,908 --> 01:22:29,945
- They're like the Cadillac
of instrumental bands.
1776
01:22:30,046 --> 01:22:31,180
- I think The Ventures ability
1777
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,117
to make melodies stick in your
head
1778
01:22:34,217 --> 01:22:36,285
and keep those songs going
for as long as possible
1779
01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:39,822
is what every songwriter's
goal and aim is.
1780
01:22:39,922 --> 01:22:43,726
- There were a lot of
instrumental
records out in those days
1781
01:22:43,826 --> 01:22:48,397
but they all kind of
bordered on novelty records.
1782
01:22:48,497 --> 01:22:51,000
The Ventures had a
degree of sophistication.
1783
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:53,736
They were playing more
advanced chord forms,
1784
01:22:53,836 --> 01:22:55,171
advanced melodies.
1785
01:22:55,271 --> 01:22:58,707
This was well considered,
well thought out music
1786
01:22:58,807 --> 01:23:00,476
that didn't insult your
intelligence.
1787
01:23:00,576 --> 01:23:02,945
And it wasn't like the
were playing down to kids.
1788
01:23:03,046 --> 01:23:05,081
- They made the idea of playing
a melody
1789
01:23:05,181 --> 01:23:06,349
a really cool thing.
1790
01:23:06,449 --> 01:23:08,417
- It wasn't just licks.
1791
01:23:08,517 --> 01:23:11,554
It was something that
was totally accessible
1792
01:23:11,654 --> 01:23:13,822
to my ear and to my spirit.
1793
01:23:13,922 --> 01:23:15,924
- The sound just didn't effect
one
1794
01:23:16,025 --> 01:23:18,927
in a sense of just a note on a
guitar.
1795
01:23:19,028 --> 01:23:21,064
It literally effected you,
1796
01:23:21,164 --> 01:23:23,766
and effected me in my heart
1797
01:23:23,866 --> 01:23:25,434
and in my inner being.
1798
01:23:25,534 --> 01:23:29,238
- I would be inspired by
the feelings I would get
1799
01:23:29,338 --> 01:23:31,574
and that inspired me as a
songwriter.
1800
01:23:31,674 --> 01:23:33,409
- It changed people's lives, you
know.
1801
01:23:33,509 --> 01:23:36,212
It's music that has totally
inspired us
1802
01:23:36,312 --> 01:23:37,546
and we're not the only ones.
1803
01:23:37,646 --> 01:23:39,315
There's millions of people.
1804
01:23:39,415 --> 01:23:41,250
- We're always just consciously,
1805
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:44,087
pretty much asking ourselves,
what would The Ventures do?
1806
01:23:44,187 --> 01:23:45,788
And then that's what we do.
1807
01:23:45,888 --> 01:23:48,391
- There's going to be bands
copying them for ever more.
1808
01:23:48,491 --> 01:23:49,825
There's going to be tribute
bands
1809
01:23:49,925 --> 01:23:51,994
when we're all dead in the
ground.
1810
01:23:52,095 --> 01:23:54,397
Even if it's only Guitar Hero
type thing
1811
01:23:54,497 --> 01:23:55,831
on a video game,
1812
01:23:55,931 --> 01:23:57,933
everyone wants to get that
sound.
1813
01:23:58,033 --> 01:24:01,270
- They changed the sound of
psychedelic.
1814
01:24:01,370 --> 01:24:05,541
They changed the sound of mod,
punk,
1815
01:24:05,641 --> 01:24:08,277
new wave, even heavy metal.
1816
01:24:08,377 --> 01:24:10,679
- It all started with The
Ventures.
1817
01:24:10,779 --> 01:24:14,150
- There's no tellin how many
people The Ventures influenced
1818
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:15,618
to go out and get a guitar
1819
01:24:15,718 --> 01:24:18,454
or bug the hell out of your
parents til they got you one.
1820
01:24:18,554 --> 01:24:20,323
- To become a better player,
1821
01:24:20,423 --> 01:24:22,091
you don't just listen to your
influences,
1822
01:24:22,191 --> 01:24:24,393
you listen influences influences
1823
01:24:24,493 --> 01:24:26,495
and you just dig as deep as you
can.
1824
01:24:26,595 --> 01:24:29,332
- In my travels for Fender
musical instruments,
1825
01:24:29,432 --> 01:24:31,334
I go many corners of the Earth.
1826
01:24:31,434 --> 01:24:33,969
When you're talking guitars
with other musicians,
1827
01:24:34,069 --> 01:24:37,640
undoubtedly everyone
points to The Ventures
1828
01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:39,942
as far as their stepping stone.
1829
01:24:40,042 --> 01:24:44,747
- You will hear musicians
say, give me a Ventures lick.
1830
01:24:44,847 --> 01:24:47,683
Right in the middle of a
session the producer might say,
1831
01:24:47,783 --> 01:24:50,753
can you give me a little of
that "Walk Don't Run" fill
1832
01:24:50,853 --> 01:24:52,121
or something of that nature
1833
01:24:52,221 --> 01:24:55,124
and they know immediately
what they're talking about.
1834
01:24:55,224 --> 01:24:58,026
- A lot of music becomes very
dated
1835
01:24:58,127 --> 01:24:59,995
and as the decades go along,
1836
01:25:00,095 --> 01:25:01,897
it doesn't age well, you know.
1837
01:25:01,997 --> 01:25:05,501
To me, if I put on a
Ventures record from 1965,
1838
01:25:05,601 --> 01:25:06,769
to me it just sounds like
something
1839
01:25:06,869 --> 01:25:08,103
that could have been cut
yesterday.
1840
01:25:08,204 --> 01:25:09,605
- They still sound fresh.
1841
01:25:09,705 --> 01:25:11,307
They still sound great.
1842
01:25:11,407 --> 01:25:14,076
- It doesn't really sound
like it's trapped in time.
1843
01:25:14,177 --> 01:25:16,379
It sounds like something that is
timeless.
1844
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,213
- Timeless.
1845
01:25:17,313 --> 01:25:18,046
- Timeless.
1846
01:25:18,147 --> 01:25:18,881
- Timeless.
1847
01:25:18,981 --> 01:25:19,715
- Timeless.
1848
01:25:19,815 --> 01:25:20,749
- Timeless, completely timeless.
1849
01:25:20,849 --> 01:25:23,886
- It's not something where I
remember when
1850
01:25:23,986 --> 01:25:25,554
but it's not popular now.
1851
01:25:25,654 --> 01:25:26,989
It's forever popular.
1852
01:25:27,089 --> 01:25:28,557
- It's like meatballs and
spaghetti.
1853
01:25:28,657 --> 01:25:29,792
You know, it's just there,
1854
01:25:29,892 --> 01:25:31,460
always going to be there.
1855
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:32,861
- Maybe when we're on Mars
1856
01:25:32,961 --> 01:25:35,264
people are going to be
listening to The Ventures
1857
01:25:35,364 --> 01:25:38,634
and twisting in antigravity.
1858
01:25:38,734 --> 01:25:41,304
The Ventures in space
takes on a new meaning.
1859
01:25:41,404 --> 01:25:42,538
- There's a new generation of
kids
1860
01:25:42,638 --> 01:25:43,806
that are discovering them as
well.
1861
01:25:43,906 --> 01:25:45,774
And there probably will
be until the end of time.
1862
01:25:45,874 --> 01:25:48,677
- I ask young kids do they
know about The Ventures.
1863
01:25:48,777 --> 01:25:52,781
And a lot of them go, yeah,
yeah, Ventures "Walk Don't Run".
1864
01:25:52,881 --> 01:25:55,017
- In fact, I just met a young
girl today,
1865
01:25:55,117 --> 01:25:56,985
18 years old who's into surfing.
1866
01:25:57,085 --> 01:25:59,555
She knows all about The
Ventures and she's 18.
1867
01:25:59,655 --> 01:26:03,359
- All the kids would be
learning Ventures songs
1868
01:26:03,459 --> 01:26:05,328
right now in Japan.
1869
01:26:05,428 --> 01:26:08,197
It carries on throughout the
generations.
1870
01:26:08,297 --> 01:26:09,698
- So, the good news is
1871
01:26:09,798 --> 01:26:10,766
they're immortal.
1872
01:26:10,866 --> 01:26:12,100
- If younger generations
1873
01:26:12,201 --> 01:26:14,036
get to know the music of The
Ventures,
1874
01:26:14,136 --> 01:26:16,772
then in the future we'll
have bolder and better music.
1875
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,915
- I think it's all fate.
1876
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:31,487
Whatever happens is going
to happen and that's it.
1877
01:26:32,521 --> 01:26:36,692
And timing and whatever just
has to all come together.
1878
01:26:36,792 --> 01:26:39,295
- Well, you know, in 1960
1879
01:26:39,395 --> 01:26:42,865
when we first recorded our
first hit "Walk Don't Run",
1880
01:26:42,965 --> 01:26:45,701
we were hoping that it would
come to this.
1881
01:26:45,801 --> 01:26:46,535
Thank God we made it.
1882
01:26:52,575 --> 01:26:54,977
- Many thank yous to you people.
1883
01:26:55,077 --> 01:26:57,913
You people have kept us going
1884
01:26:58,013 --> 01:27:02,217
and what a reward that is for
us.
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