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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
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No, I'm not the son of God.
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I'm not Lucifer,
I'm not a demon,
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I'm not the devil.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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You don't wanna do it?
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It's no good.
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I can't believe it.
All these years.
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Finally get away from this shit.
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So, good luck
with your life, man.
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Don't be calling my
house and shit.
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talking about this and
that and that and this,
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'cause I see you coming
to sabotage shit.
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You're a sell-out,
I'm telling you that.
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Now, I hope I never have
to see your ass again.
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We're at the famous
secret studio
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of the Brains.
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My friends ask me if I be into
exotic dancing or film-making,
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well, I'm a little
shy about that.
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But I love all people.
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I think the time has come
for black and white
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to truly unite.
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Hold on. Hold on.
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Okay, let's try it again.
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If I'm an expert at anything,
it's lining up those songs.
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For many concerts, many
years, I've done that.
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And in many records.
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I've just had an idea about...
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I know how that shit
should drop, man.
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Should drop
that shit like this...
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Right now, it's a little
sporadic, you know.
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Well, we're getting ready
to build a new empire, baby.
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We're gonna take those sweet,
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young children, teach
them a better way.
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Starting right now.
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I'm standing in front
of the White House.
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Where every president,
since George Washington,
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has lived and worked.
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I played the bass originally
in a band called Stress.
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We used to do funk
covers basically.
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Earth, Wind and Fire.
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Parliament-Funkadelic.
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Me and Gary went to
junior high school together
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and I introduced Gary
to my brother.
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I remember meeting
Gary at a concert.
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He asked me, could
he play my guitar?
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I said, well, sure.
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Ad he starts playing all
these cool jazz riffs
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and classical
rhythm-and-blues lines.
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You know, H said, "Yo, man, I'm
gonna play music with you.
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"I'll be in a
band with you."
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He kinda wanted
more of a challenge.
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So I said, let me
pick up the guitar.
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H started playing the bass.
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We used to sit down and
practice and practice.
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HR and I sit down there
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fingers be bleeding.
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But now, Darryl was
younger than all of us.
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I was in this band
called The Young Explorers.
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We used to play covers of
like Earth, Wind and Fire
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and all that kind of stuff.
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We then assured Darryl that
he wasn't breaking the law.
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It wasn't illegal
to be a musician.
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And Darryl started playing bass.
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HR started to sing.
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Tried to play like what we
were listening to, you know.
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Return to Forever,
all this jazz fusion stuff.
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Chick Corea.
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Stanley Clarke.
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George Duke and all those cats.
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I actually wrote Stanley
Clarke letters and shit.
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Like fan-club shit.
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My biggest influence
was Lenny White.
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I'd seen him live before and
he just tripped me out, man.
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Looked like it was a
motion picture in action.
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I saw a PBS special
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and they were highlighting
the New Wave out of London.
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I think the first band I saw
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was the Sex Pistols
and The Damned.
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That was the shit.
That was the new thing for me.
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I went and bought
all their albums.
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And I took 'em to Darryl
with the same enthusiasm,
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"Man, you got to
hear this stuff, man.
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"You know, It's gonna
drive you crazy, man,
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"but you're gonna love it."
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Sid hipped us to this band
called the Dead Boys.
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We heard the Dead Boys,
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I was like, yeah, that's what we
wanna try and start doing, you know.
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We were called Mind Power.
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And then I found
this Ramones song.
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Bad Brains was like Mind Power,
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it was the same thing.
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But Bad Brains reminded
me of like your brain
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being up in the refrigerator,
like rotting and some shit.
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So, to switch over
from punk Mind Power
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to Bad Brain, and go to...
That's what I thought was cool.
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It was the summer of 1979,
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word was that there was
and all-black, punk-rock band
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in Washington, D.C.
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Never seen one of those before
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and they're local,
we gotta check that out.
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We were walking down to
the Bayou to see the band.
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And here comes this opening
band, the Bad Brains.
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We all went up to the front
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and had our minds
completely blown.
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We walked out of
there going, "Damned, great.
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"But the Bad Brains..."
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D.C. had a "punk-rock scene."
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That was a very, very
small group of people.
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But they congregated
around this one club
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in Adams Morgan, section
of D.C., called Madam's Organ.
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At Madam's Organ,
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I remember standing in front
of Bad Brains one night
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with HR so close,
I could smell his breath.
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And I said, "I sure hope
that guy doesn't land on me."
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Wham, I'm on my back, with HR
pinning me to the ground
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singing on me.
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I was like...
"Whoa!"
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And that was kind of, uh,
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the, uh, kind of,
the start of my life.
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Oh, we going by
R Street, hold up.
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This where I used to live
when the Bad Brains started.
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Right there, that's where
the Bad Brains started.
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- This is R Street.
- What day was it?
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R Street.
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Where punk rock started.
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We was gonna play
faster and more technical
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than the Ramones
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and be more chaotic
than The Damned.
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You go up Addison Road,
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you see the notorious
Al Tolson...
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And this where
the rehearsals started.
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This is where the music
started formulating.
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The glue that hooked us all up
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was our friend, Alvarez.
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We could go over
there on Tuesdays
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and Thursdays, in the evening,
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for three or four
hours, and jam.
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Because his mother
would go and play bingo.
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We used to own some Fred Sanford
up in this motherfucker.
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I'm sorry to see
the spot like this, man.
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I know, man, gosh.
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Look.
What the fuck?
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The fire department
ripped the whole house.
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Looks like the whole
place has been
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torn apart.
Ripped.
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Two-alarm fire...
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Came and kicked everything.
Look, I have nothing.
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My clothes, everything is gone.
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We all used to jam down
in this basement right here.
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Yeah, this is where we used
to do it at, right here.
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This was the beginning.
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Darryl used to play
his drums right here.
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Bass, drums. Right in here.
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You wanna see your tape recorder?
Yeah.
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This the tape recorder
when we used to record
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all the Bad Brains music on.
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- That's it?
- Mmm-hmm.
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- Yeah, that's pretty.
- I've never seen that.
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With all that, like, all
that shit written on it.
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Yeah, so I've had that
for years.
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That's what I'm saying, that
was over ten years, probably.
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You wouldn't mind signing that, would you?
Not at all.
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What's up, kid?
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Come in here and tell
them how we used to do
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back in the day.
Do you like the store?
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You like the way the store looks?
This store is beautiful.
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Did you meet everybody?
I met all these nice guys.
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We were talking about
punk-rock days.
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This band is insane.
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This band is insane.
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No, the band's not insane.
The lead singer is insane.
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♪ Not as much
but with such intensity
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♪ I'd like to be what they
would not want me to be
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♪ I like to cram their
chivalry inside of their guts
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♪ I'd like to leave it
all behind
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♪ With the rest of the nuts ♪
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One of the most incredible
things about Bad Brains,
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which I'd never seen before,
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was the fact that,
from the first measure,
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of the first song,
HR's in the audience.
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HR is singing to people.
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HR is pulling people on stage.
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The audience became
as much a part of the show
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as the band.
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As far as what
a frontman should do,
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and how a frontman
should be, physically,
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as far as blowing your mind
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and making you wanna
buy the T-shirt.
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Or, like, if that
guy led a charge,
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you'd go invade Gaul.
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HR and Iggy Pop, to me,
are the two most charismatic,
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"I-wanna-be-that-dude"
frontmen I've ever seen.
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Yeah, I was a very shy child.
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It took everything
in their power
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to get me to come on,
on that stage.
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But then, once I did,
I'd do my best to vocalize.
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I can remember being just
a little bit jealous
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because everybody was like,
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"Oh, my God, you have
to see this frontman."
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"He's the greatest thing
you've ever seen," you know.
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"He's the wildest guy
in the world."
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"He does backflips
off the stage."
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I got into a conversation
with my dad one day
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and he said,
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"You know what, I think I'm
gonna share something with you.
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"Why don't you go read a book,"
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and he gives me this book,
and I see it
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and it says,
Think and Grow Rich.
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And it made sense, you know,
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to stay positive, not to worry.
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It would show how
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people who
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refrain from living violently
would get a good response.
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Bad Brains were
running this PMA thing,
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and their whole thing was that
music should mean something,
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but it should also
have a message
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to the audience,
which pushes the audience
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as part of the thing.
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And that had
an enormous effect on us.
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Have a positive mental attitude,
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go out there and do
what you have to do
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and make it work.
And if you do it,
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it will work.
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The punk music in
England was informative
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but it was more like, you
know, fuck this, fuck that.
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We wanted to try to
give an alternative
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and unify the people
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and, yes, we can make
a change if we're unified,
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as opposed to just
saying, you know,
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"This is screwed up
and that's screwed up.
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"And that's just
the way it is."
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I think that was the
difference, initially,
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in our message,
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and you know,
just being positive,
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as opposed to destructing.
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Everywhere else, punk rock was
like connected to nihilism,
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like, set to destruction.
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And actually, we heard
PMA sort of saying like,
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like, "We're making something,
we're building something."
249
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We just gonna burn out our
batteries doing this shit.
250
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Getting all ready. Cameras.
251
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Okay, that's enough
there, man. Come on, man.
252
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What's happening?
What's happening?
253
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What's happening?
What's happening?
254
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Yes.
255
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Buffy Sainte-Marie.
256
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Buffy Sainte-Marie.
257
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Countey, he's like
a hippy almost.
258
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He still has a sweet,
259
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hippy type of approach to this.
260
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Hi there, everybody.
261
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This is HR, Human
Rights for Brains.
262
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We're here now in the
beautiful city of Portland.
263
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Been waiting to see them
since I was this big. Wow.
264
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My first hardcore album.
265
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♪ So I'm sailing,
oh, I'm sailing on
266
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♪ I'm moving, I'm moving on
267
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♪ Sail on, sail on,
sail on, sail on
268
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♪ Sailing on
269
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♪ I'm moving on
270
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♪ I'm moving on
271
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♪ Sail on, sail on,
sail on, sail on ♪
272
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♪ Redbone in the city ♪
273
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By August 1979,
274
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the band had recorded
the demo session
275
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that becamethe Black Dots album.
276
00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:06,795
For us, it was just
this cassette.
277
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That cassette was
our first recording.
278
00:19:09,199 --> 00:19:09,964
In the guy's house.
279
00:19:09,966 --> 00:19:12,900
One of the bedrooms was
where all the equipment was.
280
00:19:12,902 --> 00:19:14,968
I think Earl did the drums
in the basement.
281
00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:17,937
Put my amplifier in the bathroom
282
00:19:17,939 --> 00:19:20,372
and Darryl's amplifier
in the other bedroom.
283
00:19:20,374 --> 00:19:22,841
Then you heard me say, "Can
you hold it for a second?"
284
00:19:22,843 --> 00:19:24,609
"Can you hold it
for a second?"
285
00:19:24,611 --> 00:19:27,378
'Cause I was doing an
overdub in the basement.
286
00:19:27,380 --> 00:19:28,612
So, I had to yell upstairs,
287
00:19:28,614 --> 00:19:30,914
"Hold up, I'm not ready,
I've gotta tune."
288
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♪ Redbone in the city
289
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♪ Redbone in the city ♪
290
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,452
HR did the vocals outside.
291
00:19:37,454 --> 00:19:39,487
He had some kind of
shrubbery or something.
292
00:19:39,489 --> 00:19:40,654
That's why you're
hearing the crickets,
293
00:19:40,656 --> 00:19:43,857
'cause he was singing
by the shrubbery.
294
00:19:45,492 --> 00:19:47,759
♪ Redbone in the city ♪
295
00:19:47,761 --> 00:19:50,228
The record was never a
record in those days,
296
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:52,196
it was just a cassette.
297
00:19:52,198 --> 00:19:53,997
Had the Bad Brains pressed up
298
00:19:53,999 --> 00:19:56,165
a thousand LP of that tape,
299
00:19:56,167 --> 00:20:00,903
that single album would have
been a determinant record
300
00:20:00,905 --> 00:20:04,039
in what's known as
American hardcore music
301
00:20:04,041 --> 00:20:05,373
and American independent music.
302
00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:07,641
And it wouldn't have taken
until the new century
303
00:20:07,643 --> 00:20:10,710
for a documentary on that
band to come out.
304
00:20:10,712 --> 00:20:12,912
Now, you started
out in D.C.
305
00:20:12,914 --> 00:20:14,480
And you were there
for several years
306
00:20:14,482 --> 00:20:16,181
before you made the
move to New York.
307
00:20:16,183 --> 00:20:18,082
And what made you move?
308
00:20:18,183 --> 00:20:20,484
D.C.'s for
politicians
309
00:20:20,486 --> 00:20:22,152
and restaurant owners.
310
00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,187
Really. Um...
311
00:20:25,022 --> 00:20:27,289
We played enough
there, you know.
312
00:20:27,291 --> 00:20:28,457
We played a lot in Washington.
313
00:20:28,459 --> 00:20:29,458
We had a hard time
playing down there.
314
00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:32,527
We mostly played like basement
parties and stuff like that.
315
00:20:32,529 --> 00:20:34,295
They actually banned us.
Yeah.
316
00:20:34,297 --> 00:20:35,729
There was only
three clubs at the time
317
00:20:35,731 --> 00:20:37,163
and each club owner
knew each other
318
00:20:37,165 --> 00:20:38,164
and we played in one
club and it's like,
319
00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:40,633
"Oh, you guys entice riots and
you make people jump up..."
320
00:20:40,635 --> 00:20:41,700
And those days, it was pogoing,
321
00:20:41,702 --> 00:20:45,036
instead of slamming,
creepy crawling, whatever.
322
00:20:45,038 --> 00:20:46,404
One calls the next one
323
00:20:46,406 --> 00:20:49,306
and it's like, "Sorry guys,
you can't play anymore."
324
00:20:49,308 --> 00:20:51,941
So, we said, "All right,
we'll go to New York."
325
00:21:20,937 --> 00:21:23,872
I remember seeing the Bad Brains
326
00:21:23,874 --> 00:21:27,542
not having a clue
what they were doing.
327
00:21:27,544 --> 00:21:30,044
I mean, there was
jumping around.
328
00:21:30,046 --> 00:21:32,413
So, we're watching it,
we were digging it.
329
00:21:32,415 --> 00:21:35,783
But we just had never
seen anything like it.
330
00:21:35,785 --> 00:21:37,584
They were light-years ahead
331
00:21:37,586 --> 00:21:40,720
of anybody
playing on the local scene.
332
00:21:40,722 --> 00:21:42,521
They were skilled,
333
00:21:42,523 --> 00:21:43,955
they were original,
334
00:21:43,957 --> 00:21:46,791
they were monster musicians.
335
00:21:50,729 --> 00:21:52,930
Anybody who would see
them would obviously say,
336
00:21:52,932 --> 00:21:55,966
"Well, this band is better
than any other band
337
00:21:55,968 --> 00:21:57,434
"we've ever seen."
338
00:22:02,573 --> 00:22:03,706
In those early shows,
339
00:22:03,708 --> 00:22:05,607
you know, it'd be like a club
the size of this room
340
00:22:05,609 --> 00:22:08,242
with like ten people in the audience.
Not even.
341
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:09,843
Not even the size of this room.
342
00:22:09,845 --> 00:22:11,110
It was like a couple of shows
343
00:22:11,112 --> 00:22:14,213
you started to realize
how incredible they were.
344
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,882
We had to go play
the great CBGB's.
345
00:22:18,316 --> 00:22:20,050
I remember getting off
the Holland Tunnel
346
00:22:20,052 --> 00:22:21,251
and coming up Canal Street
347
00:22:21,253 --> 00:22:24,621
and turning on the
Bowery and, oh, there it is.
348
00:22:43,674 --> 00:22:45,875
We kept coming back
and playing CB's.
349
00:22:45,877 --> 00:22:47,176
So, we'd come once a month.
350
00:22:47,178 --> 00:22:50,579
He said, "Okay, I'm gonna
give you guys Friday night."
351
00:22:50,581 --> 00:22:54,616
So, Friday night at CB's. It
don't get no bigger than that.
352
00:23:02,024 --> 00:23:04,425
They went over to England
to play with The Damned.
353
00:23:04,427 --> 00:23:06,960
The Damned said, "Come on
over, we'll take you on tour."
354
00:23:06,962 --> 00:23:09,462
They got their offer
within months
355
00:23:09,464 --> 00:23:10,996
of their first couple
shows in New York.
356
00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:12,764
You know, so, things were
happening quick.
357
00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:16,234
So, we sold all our equipment,
except for our guitars,
358
00:23:16,236 --> 00:23:18,202
and got the money
to get the tickets
359
00:23:18,204 --> 00:23:20,804
to go to London.
360
00:23:24,975 --> 00:23:26,275
Little did we know
361
00:23:26,277 --> 00:23:28,310
there was a small, minor detail
362
00:23:28,312 --> 00:23:30,478
called working papers.
363
00:23:33,448 --> 00:23:34,781
Captain says we'll stand there
364
00:23:34,783 --> 00:23:37,717
with a couple thousand,
you know, pounds and saying,
365
00:23:37,719 --> 00:23:38,751
"They don't have
any money? Fine.
366
00:23:38,753 --> 00:23:40,819
"Here's money. They're
coming on tour with us.
367
00:23:40,821 --> 00:23:42,587
"Here's the money.
They have money.
368
00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:43,454
"They can come into the country.
369
00:23:43,456 --> 00:23:44,688
"As soon as you let them
in the country,
370
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:45,955
"they have money,
that's not an issue.
371
00:23:45,957 --> 00:23:48,090
"They're not vagrants
they can come in here."
372
00:23:48,092 --> 00:23:49,958
They got all these
spray-painted suits
373
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,727
and they're trying to pass
themselves off as tourists.
374
00:23:52,729 --> 00:23:54,261
The local constabulary
at the time
375
00:23:54,263 --> 00:23:55,662
didn't like the way they looked.
376
00:23:55,664 --> 00:23:59,699
We were all sitting
in some room in the airport
377
00:23:59,701 --> 00:24:01,467
waiting for the next flight out.
378
00:24:01,469 --> 00:24:02,634
They took our passports.
379
00:24:02,636 --> 00:24:05,103
We caught the flight to England,
380
00:24:05,105 --> 00:24:07,338
caught the next flight back.
381
00:24:08,139 --> 00:24:09,072
Come to find out,
382
00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:11,374
our guitars had
gotten stolen in JFK.
383
00:24:11,376 --> 00:24:13,976
They never even
got on the plane.
384
00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:17,812
So, we had literally nothing.
385
00:24:17,814 --> 00:24:18,979
We got back to New York,
386
00:24:18,981 --> 00:24:20,480
we actually had to panhandle
387
00:24:20,482 --> 00:24:24,050
to get the money to catch
a train to get back.
388
00:24:24,651 --> 00:24:27,052
Back in New York,
they had no money,
389
00:24:27,054 --> 00:24:28,486
lived on corn chips and beer,
390
00:24:28,488 --> 00:24:29,787
and played on
borrowed equipment.
391
00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:31,822
No fun. But
bass player, Darryl,
392
00:24:31,824 --> 00:24:33,757
just became more
determined than ever.
393
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,059
It got hard.
It got hard for me.
394
00:24:36,061 --> 00:24:38,528
You know, I didn't...
You know, after all that.
395
00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:39,729
But I had to still be strong
396
00:24:39,731 --> 00:24:41,597
and say, "Well,
this is what I'm all about.
397
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,265
"'Cause this is what I wanna do.
398
00:24:43,267 --> 00:24:45,333
"And that's what I'm gonna
do, no matter what."
399
00:24:45,335 --> 00:24:46,801
We all lived off
five dollars a day
400
00:24:46,803 --> 00:24:48,869
for, I don't know, six months,
401
00:24:48,871 --> 00:24:52,005
and we had to use
the old brain there,
402
00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,807
'cause we were hanging out
in Washington Square Park
403
00:24:54,809 --> 00:24:55,574
and that was the days
404
00:24:55,576 --> 00:24:58,777
when they used to sell
loose joints for a buck.
405
00:24:58,878 --> 00:25:00,278
We just like, "Hmm...
406
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,748
"We'd better get us five dollars
here and go buy us a bag
407
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:05,483
"and let's roll up
some joints."
408
00:25:05,485 --> 00:25:07,585
Then we would take that,
409
00:25:07,719 --> 00:25:09,753
turn that into
410
00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:11,955
$15.
411
00:25:11,957 --> 00:25:13,056
Because we lived
on the East Side,
412
00:25:13,058 --> 00:25:17,727
we started selling the joints
in Tompkins Square Park.
413
00:25:17,729 --> 00:25:19,628
Had to get $15 out of that $5,
414
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:20,996
since we had to go
buy the next bag
415
00:25:20,998 --> 00:25:23,631
and then we had to have
$5 to buy food.
416
00:25:30,004 --> 00:25:34,340
It was cool going up to New
York and struggling, you know.
417
00:25:34,342 --> 00:25:36,675
It became quite an adventure.
418
00:25:36,677 --> 00:25:38,843
It wasn't easy at all.
419
00:25:39,211 --> 00:25:40,678
But we set forth to do that
420
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,446
and that's what
we did, you know.
421
00:25:42,448 --> 00:25:45,215
And then we actually went
back to Washington
422
00:25:45,217 --> 00:25:46,983
and lived for a while.
423
00:26:00,764 --> 00:26:03,031
I was a restaurant owner
424
00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:06,300
that had a lot of
celebrity patrons.
425
00:26:13,641 --> 00:26:16,976
I had a waiter named Pierre,
who was a communist,
426
00:26:16,978 --> 00:26:19,178
self-confessed communist,
427
00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:22,347
that said that
he was doing a film
428
00:26:22,349 --> 00:26:23,915
with he and his buddies,
429
00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:28,252
would I be interested in
helping finance it?
430
00:26:29,787 --> 00:26:32,855
And I watched it,
it was this awful film.
431
00:26:32,857 --> 00:26:35,090
I was, you know,
getting a headache,
432
00:26:35,092 --> 00:26:37,325
but they had filmed
the Bad Brains
433
00:26:37,327 --> 00:26:39,460
at Max's Kansas City.
434
00:26:40,528 --> 00:26:42,128
♪ Don't need no ivory liquid
435
00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:43,729
♪ Don't want no afro sheen
436
00:26:43,731 --> 00:26:45,530
♪ Don't need
the latest fashions
437
00:26:45,532 --> 00:26:47,431
♪ Don't want my hair
to smell bad
438
00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:49,166
♪ I've got my automotion
439
00:26:49,168 --> 00:26:50,534
♪ I've got that superpotion
440
00:26:50,536 --> 00:26:52,435
♪ And if you think
I'm going crazy
441
00:26:52,437 --> 00:26:54,937
♪ Then pretty baby
it might be true babe ♪
442
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,107
The hair on the back
of my neck sort of went...
443
00:26:59,109 --> 00:27:01,476
'Cause they were
so electrifying.
444
00:27:05,547 --> 00:27:08,415
He invited us to
dinner, you know.
445
00:27:08,417 --> 00:27:09,682
We had no money in those times.
446
00:27:09,684 --> 00:27:12,518
It was like, wow, here
we are, punk rocked out
447
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,853
in this five-star restaurant.
448
00:27:16,355 --> 00:27:20,157
And he said, "Hey, I'd like
to help you guys out."
449
00:27:21,792 --> 00:27:24,727
HR called me Mr. Sussman.
450
00:27:24,729 --> 00:27:28,897
Polite, very short
hair, no dreads.
451
00:27:28,899 --> 00:27:31,232
I was a, you know,
Frank Sinatra kinda guy,
452
00:27:31,234 --> 00:27:32,967
but I dug what they were doing.
453
00:27:32,969 --> 00:27:37,604
I didn't know anything about
being the manager of a band.
454
00:27:41,742 --> 00:27:45,077
They had basically
nothing, no van.
455
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,479
They had no equipment.
456
00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:51,749
So, a friend of mine
owned a music store.
457
00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,383
He took us up to Chuck Levin's.
458
00:27:53,385 --> 00:27:55,418
All the salesmen came
out, you know.
459
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:56,886
The guitar guy, the drum guy.
460
00:27:56,888 --> 00:27:59,154
But HR, they wanted
to get him a mike.
461
00:27:59,156 --> 00:28:01,723
He was a little disappointed
at the time.
462
00:28:01,725 --> 00:28:02,924
He didn't get shit, yeah.
463
00:28:02,926 --> 00:28:05,559
So, he went back,
way back in the back,
464
00:28:05,561 --> 00:28:06,026
of Chuck Levin's
465
00:28:06,028 --> 00:28:09,396
and got this red, hollow-body,
B.B. King-looking guitar.
466
00:28:09,398 --> 00:28:13,133
I got them all new equipment.
467
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,734
Got them a brand new van.
468
00:28:15,736 --> 00:28:19,070
I obligated myself to $25,000
469
00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:21,806
which I spent
relatively quickly.
470
00:28:33,251 --> 00:28:36,853
Maybe the second
or third time we played CB's,
471
00:28:36,855 --> 00:28:38,588
my equipment got stolen.
472
00:28:39,222 --> 00:28:42,457
'Cause we're a bunch of idiots
and left the equipment
473
00:28:42,459 --> 00:28:45,793
in the van,
sitting on 12th Street.
474
00:28:46,461 --> 00:28:49,162
One night
when it was really cold,
475
00:28:49,164 --> 00:28:49,962
Bad Brains played a show
476
00:28:49,964 --> 00:28:52,898
and flopped at Nick's house,
like they always did.
477
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:54,566
And I felt sorry
for the roadie guy
478
00:28:54,568 --> 00:28:55,867
who was trying
to sleep in the van,
479
00:28:55,869 --> 00:28:58,636
'cause it was probably like,
10 degrees out.
480
00:28:58,638 --> 00:29:00,704
And I said, "Oh, okay,
come on and sleep
481
00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:03,106
"at Nick's house,
it's all right."
482
00:29:03,108 --> 00:29:04,774
Four, five hours later
when the sun's up
483
00:29:04,776 --> 00:29:06,475
everybody looks
out Nick's window
484
00:29:06,477 --> 00:29:08,678
and there's this big
empty parking space
485
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,545
where the van used to be.
486
00:29:09,547 --> 00:29:13,015
Brand new van,
brand new equipment,
487
00:29:13,017 --> 00:29:16,184
sitting on 12th Street
at Avenue B.
488
00:29:18,086 --> 00:29:19,719
I had insurance,
489
00:29:19,886 --> 00:29:21,686
so I got them another van,
490
00:29:21,688 --> 00:29:24,955
and I got them new equipment.
491
00:29:33,064 --> 00:29:34,330
God bless you.
492
00:29:34,332 --> 00:29:36,565
We find your peace life
improvable.
493
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:39,601
God bless you for coming
to the show tonight.
494
00:29:39,603 --> 00:29:40,735
God bless your days.
495
00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:42,837
Coming in and your going out.
496
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,039
God bless your mama
and your papa,
497
00:29:45,041 --> 00:29:46,707
your uncles and your aunts.
498
00:29:46,709 --> 00:29:48,575
God bless your granny
and your grandpas.
499
00:29:48,577 --> 00:29:52,979
God bless your mother and your father
and your brothers and sisters.
500
00:29:52,981 --> 00:29:54,814
God bless your soul.
501
00:29:54,816 --> 00:29:57,650
And God bless
your children's soul.
502
00:29:57,652 --> 00:30:00,519
And God bless I and I soul.
503
00:30:03,356 --> 00:30:06,224
♪ The youth
are getting restless
504
00:30:06,226 --> 00:30:09,260
♪ The youth
are getting restless
505
00:30:09,262 --> 00:30:13,931
♪ The youth
are getting restless
506
00:30:14,299 --> 00:30:15,932
♪ Yeah, yeah
507
00:30:15,934 --> 00:30:21,370
♪ A 16-year-old girl
don't drop out of school
508
00:30:22,105 --> 00:30:26,208
♪ I said
She's tired of being a fool
509
00:30:28,644 --> 00:30:30,845
♪ A 19-year-old man...
510
00:30:30,847 --> 00:30:33,747
I am Dr. Know's mother.
511
00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:37,317
And all of these boys grew up,
512
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,086
like I said, you
know, around me.
513
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:43,022
They came to my house and
we drove them to practice
514
00:30:43,024 --> 00:30:47,626
and we used to let them
practice in my garage.
515
00:30:47,827 --> 00:30:48,626
See, I remember
516
00:30:48,628 --> 00:30:52,396
when I used to drive y'all
around in my station wagon.
517
00:30:52,398 --> 00:30:55,031
The green station wagon?
The green station wagon.
518
00:30:55,033 --> 00:30:56,665
Yeah.
519
00:30:57,033 --> 00:30:58,466
To go play,
520
00:30:58,468 --> 00:31:01,402
somebody to go practice,
521
00:31:01,536 --> 00:31:05,105
load everything up,
get in the car
522
00:31:05,973 --> 00:31:07,640
here I go,
523
00:31:07,642 --> 00:31:10,275
and I'm still driving
people around.
524
00:31:10,277 --> 00:31:12,910
How are you, sweetie?
I'm doing okay. Are you?
525
00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:15,245
How are you?
You've grown so much.
526
00:31:15,247 --> 00:31:16,980
Am I still growing?
527
00:31:17,815 --> 00:31:20,249
I have to help
my kids a lot. I'm fine.
528
00:31:20,251 --> 00:31:22,751
I feel like I'm still
growing. I see.
529
00:31:22,918 --> 00:31:25,486
♪ The youth are
getting restless
530
00:31:25,488 --> 00:31:30,991
♪ The youth are
getting restless
531
00:31:30,993 --> 00:31:33,393
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
532
00:31:33,395 --> 00:31:36,796
1980 is when we saw Bob Marley.
533
00:31:36,798 --> 00:31:42,868
We had known of Bob a little
but we didn't really know.
534
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:45,604
I remember
walking into the arena
535
00:31:45,606 --> 00:31:47,973
and just hearing the bass,
536
00:31:47,975 --> 00:31:51,343
that's like a 10,000-seat
place, you know.
537
00:31:52,211 --> 00:31:54,812
It's amazing, and that was it.
538
00:31:54,814 --> 00:31:59,883
In the whole influence
of Rasta and Africanism
539
00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,985
and who we were as men,
540
00:32:01,987 --> 00:32:05,822
started to want to take
over as opposed to,
541
00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:08,057
being like lost youths
from D.C.,
542
00:32:08,059 --> 00:32:09,758
kinda on
some rock and roll shit.
543
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760
And once we came across
Marley and Rasta
544
00:32:11,762 --> 00:32:13,695
and the whole vibe and the
message that went with that,
545
00:32:13,697 --> 00:32:17,665
that's when things started
to change seriously for us.
546
00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:18,365
But not so much our music,
547
00:32:18,367 --> 00:32:22,369
but the message of our music
went from a PMA to a Rasta,
548
00:32:22,536 --> 00:32:23,936
which was the same thing.
549
00:32:23,938 --> 00:32:24,870
Rastas used to be like
550
00:32:24,872 --> 00:32:28,506
how they see like the Taliban
and Muslims are nowadays,
551
00:32:28,508 --> 00:32:29,073
terrorists.
552
00:32:29,075 --> 00:32:30,407
Like, I think that
The New York Times
553
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:32,175
even had an article out
back in the early '80s
554
00:32:32,177 --> 00:32:35,111
about these new terrorists,
and this Rasta
555
00:32:35,113 --> 00:32:37,813
and how lethal the foot
like to kicking soccer
556
00:32:37,815 --> 00:32:38,980
and lethal will kick your ass
557
00:32:38,982 --> 00:32:40,548
with a lethal foot up the ass
558
00:32:40,550 --> 00:32:41,215
or something, you know.
559
00:32:41,217 --> 00:32:44,084
So, it was in the years before
you started seeing dreadlocks
560
00:32:44,086 --> 00:32:45,485
in a Gap add
or some shit like that.
561
00:32:45,487 --> 00:32:48,054
It used to be a real
underground thing.
562
00:32:58,365 --> 00:33:00,299
A friend of mine who was
in the restaurant business
563
00:33:00,301 --> 00:33:02,734
owned this really groovy house
564
00:33:02,736 --> 00:33:05,570
in the backwoods of Virginia.
565
00:33:05,572 --> 00:33:07,805
So, I got the Bad Brains
to live there.
566
00:33:07,807 --> 00:33:12,776
So we would just sit out there and
just play music all the time.
567
00:33:12,778 --> 00:33:16,479
Twenty-four hours a day. And
it sits back of the woods,
568
00:33:16,481 --> 00:33:17,947
no other houses around...
It's perfect, you know.
569
00:33:17,949 --> 00:33:21,684
We could just play, we literally
played music all the time,
570
00:33:21,686 --> 00:33:23,652
loud, and never had
any complaints,
571
00:33:23,654 --> 00:33:26,388
'cause there were no neighbors.
572
00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:29,590
We are all the same.
573
00:33:29,592 --> 00:33:31,792
You are all together.
574
00:33:31,794 --> 00:33:33,627
It was a great
experience for me.
575
00:33:33,629 --> 00:33:35,996
If it wasn't for that house
on Dranesville Road,
576
00:33:35,998 --> 00:33:38,298
I don't think
I'd be sitting here
577
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:39,432
in America today playing music,
578
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:42,568
'cause I learned a lot about
drum, bass and guitar,
579
00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:46,471
and some keyboards from
the original Dr. Know himself.
580
00:33:46,473 --> 00:33:48,673
We had classes,
we had a blackboard
581
00:33:48,675 --> 00:33:51,442
and we would go through stuff,
you know what I mean?
582
00:33:51,444 --> 00:33:54,411
Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
scales and
583
00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:57,213
augmented and diminished
and sharps and flats,
584
00:33:57,215 --> 00:33:58,847
and all that type of stuff
we did.
585
00:33:58,849 --> 00:34:02,450
And we cooked
a lot of beans and rice.
586
00:34:02,784 --> 00:34:03,416
And smoked a lot of weed
587
00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:07,453
and played from 6:00 in the
evening till 6:00 in the morning.
588
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:11,022
And there was
a haze of marijuana
589
00:34:11,024 --> 00:34:12,256
in the house at all times.
590
00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:15,559
The farmhouse was perfect. They
could grow their marijuana,
591
00:34:15,561 --> 00:34:16,526
they could smoke
their marijuana,
592
00:34:16,528 --> 00:34:19,829
they could play, they wouldn't
bother anybody.
593
00:34:20,831 --> 00:34:22,698
The neighbors
weren't appreciative
594
00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:26,668
of having four black punkers
living on their land.
595
00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:29,604
And I never put that together
until it was too late.
596
00:34:29,606 --> 00:34:33,007
The old local cops
there got wind of
597
00:34:33,009 --> 00:34:34,675
a bunch of black brothers
back here
598
00:34:34,677 --> 00:34:36,443
back in the woods over here.
599
00:34:36,445 --> 00:34:39,846
We were coming home
from the music store,
600
00:34:39,848 --> 00:34:40,546
pull up in the driveway,
601
00:34:40,548 --> 00:34:43,181
all excited, taking out
the gear, you know,
602
00:34:43,183 --> 00:34:44,615
going in the house,
setting it up...
603
00:34:44,617 --> 00:34:48,518
All of a sudden, Babylon just
come in on us, you know.
604
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,886
Kicked the door in,
605
00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:52,154
"On the floor!"
606
00:34:52,156 --> 00:34:54,589
Just so happened
that particular day,
607
00:34:54,591 --> 00:34:55,623
we had the new equipment,
608
00:34:55,625 --> 00:34:57,324
so they think that
we got some kind
609
00:34:57,326 --> 00:34:58,792
of fencing thing going,
610
00:34:58,794 --> 00:35:00,226
we all stole the equipment,
611
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:01,894
and it's like, "Where's
the guns?" you know.
612
00:35:01,896 --> 00:35:05,764
Rasta gotta have guns
and pounds and pounds of weed.
613
00:35:05,766 --> 00:35:06,998
They ain't finding no guns,
614
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,833
they ain't finding all
these pounds of weed,
615
00:35:08,835 --> 00:35:11,502
and all that. None of
that bullshit, you know?
616
00:35:11,504 --> 00:35:12,803
When it became obvious
617
00:35:12,805 --> 00:35:15,739
that it really was
a black-white thing,
618
00:35:15,741 --> 00:35:17,640
that they wanted
to get rid of 'em.
619
00:35:17,642 --> 00:35:20,275
Then it all went away,
nobody got charged,
620
00:35:20,277 --> 00:35:22,277
nobody went to jail.
621
00:35:24,546 --> 00:35:28,115
♪ I luv, I luv I Jah
622
00:35:28,117 --> 00:35:31,218
♪ And I luv, I luv I Jah ♪
623
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:32,986
That magic summer,
624
00:35:32,988 --> 00:35:35,855
they went away
and they reappeared...
625
00:35:35,857 --> 00:35:37,389
I remember they came
out and they were
626
00:35:37,391 --> 00:35:39,791
all wearing like
button-up shirts,
627
00:35:39,793 --> 00:35:42,894
and they had nice pants on
and they had new equipment,
628
00:35:42,896 --> 00:35:47,198
Gary had a wood grain
kind of natural guitar.
629
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,732
And we're like,
"What's going on?"
630
00:35:48,734 --> 00:35:52,736
In come the Bad Brains, and all
these new people with them.
631
00:35:52,738 --> 00:35:56,973
Here's Julian,
very scary Rasta guy.
632
00:35:56,975 --> 00:36:00,309
Here's these
Rasta women with them.
633
00:36:00,311 --> 00:36:03,211
Ian and myself and the
rest of the normal gang
634
00:36:03,213 --> 00:36:05,913
addressed them as we always
did, "Hey, HR."
635
00:36:05,915 --> 00:36:08,382
"Yes, Henry man."
636
00:36:08,783 --> 00:36:10,683
"Excuse me?"
637
00:36:10,685 --> 00:36:12,551
"All is irie."
638
00:36:12,885 --> 00:36:14,252
Irie?
639
00:36:15,387 --> 00:36:17,020
"Who are you?"
640
00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:20,889
♪ They try to make I
feel ashamed
641
00:36:23,392 --> 00:36:25,960
♪ But I
642
00:36:25,962 --> 00:36:28,862
♪ Luv, I Jah ♪
643
00:36:28,864 --> 00:36:31,231
Just like Henry and
Ian can look at you and say,
644
00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:34,834
"All of a sudden they came
back and it was Jamaican,"
645
00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:35,767
someone in their family can say,
646
00:36:35,769 --> 00:36:37,468
all of a sudden they came
home from high school
647
00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:38,535
and they was Sid Vicious.
648
00:36:38,537 --> 00:36:41,137
Before, when he left,
he was Jimmy Page.
649
00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:46,508
So yeah,
it kept changing for me,
650
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:47,742
from when I was a teenager.
651
00:36:47,744 --> 00:36:49,543
Ah, Darryl, he's a white boy,
lookit,
652
00:36:49,545 --> 00:36:51,378
he wear leather pants
and you know...
653
00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:54,280
How do you think a dude in
Southeast feels when he see me
654
00:36:54,282 --> 00:36:57,316
and I'm walking down the
street in some leather pants,
655
00:36:57,318 --> 00:37:00,319
and ripped-up shirt?
"That nigga's a white boy."
656
00:37:00,321 --> 00:37:04,189
Right? So now, when I go,
and the white boy sees me,
657
00:37:04,191 --> 00:37:07,425
and he say, "Oh, these
black dudes is cool.
658
00:37:07,427 --> 00:37:08,359
"They're the Bad Brains."
659
00:37:08,361 --> 00:37:10,561
Then the Bad Brains go off
and see Bob Marley,
660
00:37:10,563 --> 00:37:11,528
then they came back,
"Yes I-ah."
661
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:14,330
"Oh, man, shit, wonder what
happened to them dudes, man,
662
00:37:14,332 --> 00:37:17,399
"they used to be punks
and now they're like Rastas."
663
00:37:25,707 --> 00:37:29,443
There's a line of spirituality
running through your music
664
00:37:29,445 --> 00:37:30,210
and your lyrics.
665
00:37:30,212 --> 00:37:33,479
How important is
Rastafarianism to you?
666
00:37:33,481 --> 00:37:37,749
It's our life, so it is
of the utmost importance.
667
00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:43,287
It turned a lot of people off
668
00:37:43,289 --> 00:37:46,189
but I think it also
gave some people...
669
00:37:46,191 --> 00:37:48,291
It empowered other people.
670
00:37:50,127 --> 00:37:53,162
HR started getting me to grow
dreads and shit.
671
00:37:53,164 --> 00:37:56,198
We had the UFF.
The United Freedom Fighters,
672
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,701
and it was this organization
that HR started and like,
673
00:37:59,703 --> 00:38:01,569
we had meetings and
we were gonna change
674
00:38:01,571 --> 00:38:03,804
the world and the planet
and all that shit.
675
00:38:03,806 --> 00:38:07,741
And after like three or four
spliffs, everybody was like,
676
00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,143
"What were we
talking about now?"
677
00:38:10,145 --> 00:38:12,879
Everyone started talking
like Rastas all of a sudden.
678
00:38:12,881 --> 00:38:15,381
When we were stoned
and sittin' on a stoop, going,
679
00:38:15,383 --> 00:38:17,449
"Yes boss, scooch,
yeah, yeah man,
680
00:38:17,451 --> 00:38:19,350
"my shit up, yeah..."
681
00:38:23,988 --> 00:38:26,723
But to me, I loved it
When they played dub,
682
00:38:26,725 --> 00:38:28,958
like it actually
balanced out the whole show,
683
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,658
'cause to just go
684
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:32,193
and listen to most
hardcore bands,
685
00:38:32,195 --> 00:38:33,961
after about like seven songs,
686
00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:35,128
you're kinda like...
Burnt.
687
00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:36,529
Well, yeah, like,
you're kinda like
688
00:38:36,531 --> 00:38:37,696
your ears get burned out.
689
00:38:37,698 --> 00:38:39,497
But the way that
they were able to play
690
00:38:39,499 --> 00:38:40,798
like three hardcore songs
691
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,900
and then like settle into
like a dub track
692
00:38:42,902 --> 00:38:45,435
kinda like soothed the
audience just long enough,
693
00:38:45,437 --> 00:38:48,438
until they'd hit them again
with more hardcore...
694
00:39:00,215 --> 00:39:03,517
That's one of the main things
that separated the Bad Brains
695
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,853
and made them all that much
more kind of awe-inspiring,
696
00:39:06,855 --> 00:39:10,723
was that, they actually had a
genuine pacing to their show
697
00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:15,194
because they had this whole
reggae and dub element.
698
00:39:15,196 --> 00:39:17,196
When they pressed
up their first single,
699
00:39:17,198 --> 00:39:20,132
it was pressed in New York
and they needed a car
700
00:39:20,134 --> 00:39:23,135
to go pick up
the eight boxes of the 7-inch,
701
00:39:23,137 --> 00:39:25,036
and I went, "Here's my keys."
702
00:39:25,038 --> 00:39:26,303
For 99 cents, I got this
703
00:39:26,305 --> 00:39:30,774
flimsy little, you know, Xeroxed
thing, and I put this thing on.
704
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:39,015
I thought, it must be
a 33 rpm single,
705
00:39:39,017 --> 00:39:41,851
and I've gone and got it on
45, there's something wrong.
706
00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:44,653
Stopped it, put it on 33...
707
00:39:46,455 --> 00:39:49,056
And then I was like, "Okay, this
sounds a little more right,"
708
00:39:49,058 --> 00:39:51,858
but then the vocal came
and it was totally wrong.
709
00:39:56,496 --> 00:39:58,063
And I probably played it
710
00:39:58,065 --> 00:40:01,166
conservatively 16 to 20 times
that afternoon.
711
00:40:01,168 --> 00:40:03,034
I just couldn't believe it.
712
00:40:03,036 --> 00:40:03,734
It was...
713
00:40:03,736 --> 00:40:07,604
It flew in the face of
everything I ever learned
714
00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:11,741
about being a rock musician,
and in a good way.
715
00:40:24,354 --> 00:40:27,656
Thing about the Brains
that's so phenomenal,
716
00:40:27,658 --> 00:40:30,859
is that we were recorded in 1983
717
00:40:30,861 --> 00:40:34,195
as being the fastest band
on the planet Earth.
718
00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:36,830
And shortly after that we got
719
00:40:36,832 --> 00:40:40,033
on the Guinness Book
of World Records.
720
00:40:43,804 --> 00:40:47,206
It was unlike anything
I'd ever heard before.
721
00:40:47,208 --> 00:40:48,640
And it was faster,
722
00:40:48,642 --> 00:40:50,541
it was more raw,
it was more powerful
723
00:40:50,543 --> 00:40:52,643
than anything I'd ever
listened to before.
724
00:40:52,645 --> 00:40:54,845
Those guys were
such amazing musicians,
725
00:40:54,847 --> 00:40:59,049
Mo Sussman wanted them to
sell out and play pop music.
726
00:40:59,051 --> 00:41:00,850
That's why when the
first single came out,
727
00:41:00,852 --> 00:41:05,221
it was Pay to Cum! and StayClose to Me on the other side.
728
00:41:06,389 --> 00:41:10,024
♪ Stay close to me ♪
729
00:41:11,192 --> 00:41:14,727
Mo Sussman wanted
to push them as a pop group.
730
00:41:14,729 --> 00:41:16,161
That's how talented they were.
731
00:41:16,163 --> 00:41:18,763
For people to think, this
is all they could've done,
732
00:41:18,765 --> 00:41:19,497
that's not the truth.
733
00:41:19,499 --> 00:41:22,433
They could have sold out
and played pop music
734
00:41:22,435 --> 00:41:24,168
and sold millions of records.
735
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:25,702
Their heart was in punk,
736
00:41:25,704 --> 00:41:28,171
and that's why they chose
the punk route.
737
00:41:28,173 --> 00:41:29,539
Because if you look
at that single,
738
00:41:29,541 --> 00:41:32,174
it's like there's two paths
they could have taken.
739
00:41:32,176 --> 00:41:34,609
If they had
taken it one more step,
740
00:41:34,611 --> 00:41:39,680
they could have been much more
important than they are now.
741
00:41:39,682 --> 00:41:41,815
Unless, of course,
they're important
742
00:41:41,817 --> 00:41:44,083
because they did the opposite.
743
00:41:44,717 --> 00:41:48,419
Maybe if they sold out, which
everyone was accusing me
744
00:41:48,421 --> 00:41:49,987
of trying to do
with the Bad Brains,
745
00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:52,923
maybe they wouldn't have
become important.
746
00:42:03,367 --> 00:42:06,602
Banned in D.C. hadnothing to do with me.
747
00:42:06,604 --> 00:42:09,838
Banned in D.C. had to do
with the fact that
748
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,507
club owners wouldn't
let them play
749
00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:17,445
because of HR's 50-to
100-person guest list.
750
00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,480
We relocated to New York
751
00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:23,750
and began promoting
our own events.
752
00:42:24,118 --> 00:42:24,784
And we were just gutted.
753
00:42:24,786 --> 00:42:27,686
We couldn't believe they
were gonna move to New York.
754
00:42:27,688 --> 00:42:29,387
Because they were such
a Washington band,
755
00:42:29,389 --> 00:42:31,255
I was like, that was our world.
756
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:33,390
If we would've stayed here,
what would have happened?
757
00:42:33,392 --> 00:42:36,626
Signed to Dischord
and sold a million records?
758
00:42:36,628 --> 00:42:38,594
You never know.
759
00:42:38,995 --> 00:42:41,730
Everyone knew
there was something going on,
760
00:42:41,732 --> 00:42:43,998
but nobody knew what to do.
761
00:42:44,432 --> 00:42:45,698
And I had tried to do something
762
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:49,401
with what was going on,
but I was not successful.
763
00:43:20,265 --> 00:43:24,268
To me they embody like the
best parts of music, like...
764
00:43:24,469 --> 00:43:29,239
A philosophy, you know,
ideals, roots music,
765
00:43:29,241 --> 00:43:33,142
you know, and place to
put your aggression.
766
00:45:21,881 --> 00:45:24,148
Hardcore was kind of rising up
767
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:28,185
out of the ashes
of the old punk movement,
768
00:45:28,187 --> 00:45:30,754
that was sort of fizzling out.
769
00:45:32,389 --> 00:45:36,358
The Bad Brains coming up from D.C.
was just a focal point
770
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,661
for all these kind of
like-minded misfits.
771
00:45:41,263 --> 00:45:43,430
They talked the talk
and they walked the walk.
772
00:45:43,432 --> 00:45:46,666
They're were the most benevolent
scene leaders I've ever seen.
773
00:45:46,668 --> 00:45:49,969
Their entire thing was again
to be one with the audience,
774
00:45:49,971 --> 00:45:51,603
and then they even
immediately became one
775
00:45:51,605 --> 00:45:53,771
with all the bands
they played with.
776
00:45:57,876 --> 00:46:00,611
We used to borrow
their equipment all the time.
777
00:46:00,613 --> 00:46:03,413
Twice they handed us
their instruments,
778
00:46:03,415 --> 00:46:05,214
when their own gig was finished.
779
00:46:05,216 --> 00:46:07,549
I never heard of this
before or since.
780
00:46:07,551 --> 00:46:09,951
They would do a gig.
At the very end,
781
00:46:09,953 --> 00:46:12,720
HR and Dr. Know
would say like,
782
00:46:12,722 --> 00:46:14,988
"Hey, you guys, Even Worse,
783
00:46:15,089 --> 00:46:17,123
"come up, come up!"
"What, what?"
784
00:46:17,125 --> 00:46:18,924
"You guys play now."
785
00:46:24,363 --> 00:46:30,000
They were one of the biggest
musical influences on me. Period.
786
00:46:30,002 --> 00:46:31,167
Growing up around them,
787
00:46:31,169 --> 00:46:33,969
I had a very special
connection to them,
788
00:46:33,971 --> 00:46:37,238
especially because I was like,
nine, ten years old.
789
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,974
I learned how to play a bass
from watching Darryl.
790
00:46:39,976 --> 00:46:42,609
You know, I... Obviously,
I developed my own style
791
00:46:42,611 --> 00:46:44,978
but he was one
of the key ingredients.
792
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:46,512
We played
one of our first shows,
793
00:46:46,514 --> 00:46:48,480
I think it was about,
like, our third show
794
00:46:48,482 --> 00:46:51,282
and HR is all of a sudden like
in the middle of the crowd,
795
00:46:51,284 --> 00:46:54,585
and HR starts slamming into
all the kids and like moving
796
00:46:54,587 --> 00:46:56,753
and all of a sudden
like the room lit up
797
00:46:56,755 --> 00:46:58,287
and the whole energy in the room
798
00:46:58,289 --> 00:46:59,321
like he definitely set it off.
799
00:46:59,323 --> 00:47:03,024
It was just like, "Wow, like HR's
in the audience at our show!"
800
00:47:03,026 --> 00:47:06,394
It was crazy, and he said, "You
know we got this gig coming up,
801
00:47:06,396 --> 00:47:07,661
"at Max's in a couple of weeks
802
00:47:07,663 --> 00:47:09,796
"if you guys wanna
open up for us."
803
00:47:13,934 --> 00:47:18,370
I first saw
the Bad Brains in 1981.
804
00:47:18,372 --> 00:47:20,672
I got a vibe coming
off the stage
805
00:47:20,674 --> 00:47:25,777
that I'd only felt when
I'd seen Jimi Hendrix
806
00:47:25,844 --> 00:47:28,512
or the Rolling Stones.
807
00:47:29,714 --> 00:47:32,082
The band and the audience
808
00:47:32,084 --> 00:47:37,153
got into a highly refined
state of mind,
809
00:47:37,155 --> 00:47:40,422
almost like a
religious experience.
810
00:47:43,993 --> 00:47:46,394
I'd set up a rehearsal space,
811
00:47:46,396 --> 00:47:52,032
address was 171 Avenue A
between 10th and 11th Street,
812
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,501
an old glass shop.
813
00:47:54,503 --> 00:47:58,238
171 consisted of one long room.
814
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,773
We set up the stage on one end
815
00:48:00,775 --> 00:48:03,041
and back near the entrance,
816
00:48:03,043 --> 00:48:06,210
we had an elevated sound booth,
817
00:48:06,212 --> 00:48:08,946
so that we could do recordings.
818
00:48:08,948 --> 00:48:13,216
We used to charge $10 an hour
for recording, you know.
819
00:48:13,218 --> 00:48:15,751
Just the most
economical recording
820
00:48:15,753 --> 00:48:18,787
you could find in town
at that time.
821
00:48:19,221 --> 00:48:20,087
It was like more,
822
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:23,957
like off, off, off, off,
off Broadway-type theater.
823
00:48:23,959 --> 00:48:27,694
You know, something like maybe
a world that Adam was more,
824
00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:29,429
uh, familiar with,
as a thespian.
825
00:48:29,431 --> 00:48:31,431
You mean the Yiddish theater?
826
00:48:31,433 --> 00:48:31,831
Yeah, exactly.
827
00:48:31,833 --> 00:48:35,401
The funny thing about 171-A, too,
was it was a bunch of couches
828
00:48:35,403 --> 00:48:37,369
that they had dragged
in off the street.
829
00:48:37,371 --> 00:48:39,971
So there was like 10 like
830
00:48:39,973 --> 00:48:42,640
real dirty, nasty
couches around there.
831
00:48:42,642 --> 00:48:43,340
And I'm sure it was illegal,
832
00:48:43,342 --> 00:48:44,841
I'm sure they didn't have
any kind of license to do it,
833
00:48:44,843 --> 00:48:47,276
like it was Avenue A and
back then, like, you know...
834
00:48:47,278 --> 00:48:49,711
Avenue A was kind of
off the map, you know.
835
00:48:49,713 --> 00:48:51,813
Well, yeah, I mean, look,
most of what happened
836
00:48:51,815 --> 00:48:54,682
on Avenue A
at that time was illegal.
837
00:48:57,085 --> 00:49:01,455
The Bad Brains played the
night of May 2nd, 1981,
838
00:49:01,457 --> 00:49:03,590
and I recorded it.
839
00:49:18,805 --> 00:49:22,240
We kind of fell in love
with each other, you know,
840
00:49:22,242 --> 00:49:25,910
they appreciated
the sound I got.
841
00:49:36,755 --> 00:49:41,658
At that time no major label
would touch that kind of music
842
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:47,764
and by the beginning of '82
ROIR had issued the tape.
843
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,901
Since they came
from the capital,
844
00:49:52,903 --> 00:49:56,938
they chose a cover
design that featured
845
00:49:56,940 --> 00:50:01,442
the Capitol Building
in Washington, D.C.
846
00:50:06,514 --> 00:50:08,982
I played like my first cassette,
847
00:50:08,984 --> 00:50:10,950
I probably just wore
that thing out
848
00:50:10,952 --> 00:50:12,351
that meant so much to me.
849
00:50:12,353 --> 00:50:15,287
Yeah, that ROIR cassette,
I remember I had a Walkman,
850
00:50:15,289 --> 00:50:17,622
like the early...
Like the first Walkman,
851
00:50:17,624 --> 00:50:18,789
and I would just sit in school
852
00:50:18,791 --> 00:50:20,724
just like sit in the hallway
on the floor
853
00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:21,624
and just like listen to that
854
00:50:21,626 --> 00:50:24,226
like over and over
and over again.
855
00:50:32,001 --> 00:50:34,302
You know, I think that
that record just captures
856
00:50:34,304 --> 00:50:36,337
the way that they sounded live.
857
00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:38,706
The amplifiers
were all distorting,
858
00:50:38,708 --> 00:50:40,374
and the PA was distorting.
859
00:50:40,376 --> 00:50:41,274
Everything was kinda like
860
00:50:41,276 --> 00:50:42,208
combining together
in a certain way.
861
00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:46,312
And I think that, that really
got captured in the four-track.
862
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,935
Ladies and gentlemen,
here we are.
863
00:51:10,937 --> 00:51:16,006
This is the mighty
defender of the truth
864
00:51:16,008 --> 00:51:20,043
and he's up against,
you know who?
865
00:51:20,344 --> 00:51:24,113
The one and only Doom.
866
00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:26,381
What are you gonna do that for,
867
00:51:26,383 --> 00:51:27,048
how dare you?
868
00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:31,419
- I'm just a Doom.
- I'll get you.
869
00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:32,853
No, you won't.
870
00:51:42,929 --> 00:51:46,164
As you know, you've got
to feed the people,
871
00:51:47,065 --> 00:51:48,999
for along with good music,
872
00:51:49,001 --> 00:51:53,203
and good wine and good beer
and good water and good Pepsi,
873
00:51:53,337 --> 00:51:55,705
one must have food.
874
00:51:55,707 --> 00:51:58,207
So, we're going to
feed the masses,
875
00:51:58,209 --> 00:52:03,078
make sure that their stomachs
have something in it
876
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,814
because when
we start shredding...
877
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:08,683
There's no holding us back.
878
00:52:56,864 --> 00:52:59,699
On Monday, March 1st, 1982,
879
00:52:59,701 --> 00:53:03,069
the Bad Brains, with their
associated roadies,
880
00:53:03,071 --> 00:53:06,305
loaded into a van
that we had rented
881
00:53:06,307 --> 00:53:11,376
from the band called
Joey Miserable and The Worms
882
00:53:11,378 --> 00:53:13,678
and set off for California
883
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,615
and a number of gigs
on the West Coast.
884
00:53:17,617 --> 00:53:19,483
We used to call it
the Slave Ship,
885
00:53:19,485 --> 00:53:23,386
and we were just all in
there with the equipment.
886
00:53:23,388 --> 00:53:26,489
It was four, five,
887
00:53:26,491 --> 00:53:28,491
six, seven of us.
888
00:53:40,803 --> 00:53:44,472
We had to travel
straight across the country
889
00:53:44,474 --> 00:53:48,976
to our first gig
in San Francisco.
890
00:53:49,143 --> 00:53:52,678
Every place we played, we had
891
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,980
a huge response.
892
00:54:11,063 --> 00:54:16,434
We drove across New Mexico
into Texas to Austin
893
00:54:16,436 --> 00:54:20,337
and ended up staying
at the house
894
00:54:20,339 --> 00:54:23,740
of The Big Boys, I believe.
895
00:54:34,184 --> 00:54:39,254
The singer in Big Boys thought
HR was absolutely wonderful.
896
00:54:40,256 --> 00:54:43,057
And HR at that point was
beginning to...
897
00:54:43,059 --> 00:54:45,025
You know, I mean,
he read the Bible a lot.
898
00:54:45,027 --> 00:54:50,296
The Big Boys had showed great
kindness to the Bad Brains,
899
00:54:50,298 --> 00:54:51,597
putting them up in their house.
900
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:55,701
One of the Big Boys
had procured a bag of herb,
901
00:54:55,703 --> 00:55:00,038
saying, you know, "After you
receive your pay for the gig,
902
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,373
"you can pay us back."
903
00:55:02,375 --> 00:55:06,176
And in fact I stood beside Doc
904
00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:09,112
as he put the money
in an envelope,
905
00:55:09,114 --> 00:55:14,450
and left it on our host
dresser in his room.
906
00:55:14,651 --> 00:55:18,654
I found out later that
somebody had gone
907
00:55:18,656 --> 00:55:23,558
into the room and had taken
that envelope of money
908
00:55:24,026 --> 00:55:25,993
and replaced it
909
00:55:26,661 --> 00:55:30,163
with a note saying, uh,
910
00:55:30,564 --> 00:55:31,263
something to the effect
911
00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:35,066
of "Fire burn all
faggots," you know.
912
00:55:36,835 --> 00:55:37,801
And,
913
00:55:37,803 --> 00:55:40,003
you can draw
your own conclusions
914
00:55:40,005 --> 00:55:42,572
as who could've done that.
915
00:55:50,681 --> 00:55:54,717
We got the bad rap on that
and that was a racial rap.
916
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:55,284
This story's been told
917
00:55:55,286 --> 00:55:58,053
that we came through like
some renegade Rastas like,
918
00:55:58,055 --> 00:55:59,621
on some homophobic shit.
919
00:55:59,623 --> 00:56:00,188
If it's Led Zeppelin,
920
00:56:00,190 --> 00:56:01,489
"Man, these fucking guys
are assholes, they rot."
921
00:56:01,491 --> 00:56:03,257
When Bad Brains comes in
your house, burns the carpet
922
00:56:03,259 --> 00:56:05,359
with spliff tails
or whatever, spills
923
00:56:05,361 --> 00:56:06,360
Ital stew and HR calls you
924
00:56:06,362 --> 00:56:10,430
a batty boy and takes your weed,
then there's like a whole big...
925
00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:12,197
It's deeper somehow...
That's what I say.
926
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:12,764
I say it's complicated.
927
00:56:12,766 --> 00:56:16,167
I'm not gonna say... Homophobia,
that's just homophobia.
928
00:56:16,169 --> 00:56:17,468
Yeah, but...
I'm just...
929
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:18,202
That's the way I look at it.
930
00:56:18,204 --> 00:56:20,003
But people still bitch at
us about the homophobia.
931
00:56:20,005 --> 00:56:21,437
I'm just saying, that's just...
Still today.
932
00:56:21,439 --> 00:56:22,438
Right. I know,
I know, but...
933
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,139
Like you said it's like
a scab, it's real.
934
00:56:24,141 --> 00:56:26,207
That shit stuck with
my shit, it turned...
935
00:56:26,209 --> 00:56:27,875
It turned all the
beautiful things
936
00:56:27,877 --> 00:56:28,976
that you hear them saying about
937
00:56:28,978 --> 00:56:32,112
us being how HR will literally
put his fucking coat down
938
00:56:32,114 --> 00:56:34,414
for you to walk over a puddle,
he was that kind of guy.
939
00:56:34,416 --> 00:56:35,915
It was at a point in
time where a band...
940
00:56:35,917 --> 00:56:39,351
Like, it was like when the Misfits,
when they went to San Francisco,
941
00:56:39,353 --> 00:56:40,385
they beat somebody up
at the show,
942
00:56:40,387 --> 00:56:41,819
they were like vilified for it.
943
00:56:41,821 --> 00:56:44,855
It was in the era where
anybody, if you misstepped,
944
00:56:44,857 --> 00:56:45,789
you just got hell.
945
00:56:45,791 --> 00:56:47,023
And the Bad Brains
thing, it just,
946
00:56:47,025 --> 00:56:50,126
unfortunately, not only did
something bad go down,
947
00:56:50,128 --> 00:56:51,994
that was this
youthful indiscretion,
948
00:56:51,996 --> 00:56:52,861
- let's say it's that.
- Yeah.
949
00:56:52,863 --> 00:56:54,762
But nonetheless, the problem
is you had the amplifiers,
950
00:56:54,764 --> 00:56:57,664
you had people who just picked
up on it and ran with it.
951
00:56:57,666 --> 00:56:59,265
Any cat in rock that goes,
952
00:56:59,267 --> 00:57:01,066
"Fuck those faggots"
or something like that,
953
00:57:01,068 --> 00:57:04,669
they're not gonna get what
the fuck we got for going,
954
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:05,936
"Batty boy," they're
not getting that,
955
00:57:05,938 --> 00:57:07,904
they just getting,
"You guys..."
956
00:57:07,906 --> 00:57:10,473
For some reason with us
is like a living legacy,
957
00:57:10,475 --> 00:57:11,974
I had to go on the
Internet and tell them,
958
00:57:11,976 --> 00:57:12,774
"Look, I love all people,
959
00:57:12,776 --> 00:57:14,408
"we have learned
to love all people,
960
00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:16,176
"we were young too, we grew."
961
00:57:16,178 --> 00:57:18,311
You know, no one's out
to get anybody, you know,
962
00:57:18,313 --> 00:57:19,745
but then, granted,
HR did get off
963
00:57:19,747 --> 00:57:22,047
into some weird shit
after a while, you know.
964
00:57:23,116 --> 00:57:24,315
HR is in Baltimore still.
965
00:57:24,317 --> 00:57:26,283
He's still in Baltimore.
966
00:57:28,252 --> 00:57:31,220
Waiting for a flight,
he's got a flight at 8:30,
967
00:57:31,222 --> 00:57:33,555
I booked it last night
at 2:00 in the morning.
968
00:57:33,557 --> 00:57:35,690
HR talked about taking a car.
969
00:57:35,692 --> 00:57:37,825
So he's gonna hire a limo.
970
00:57:38,259 --> 00:57:40,026
Kind of a distance.
971
00:57:40,028 --> 00:57:41,961
Three days in a limo.
972
00:57:43,363 --> 00:57:44,329
Come on.
973
00:57:44,331 --> 00:57:45,330
US Air, yeah.
974
00:57:45,332 --> 00:57:46,964
That's what I'm saying.
975
00:57:46,966 --> 00:57:48,332
US Air.
976
00:57:48,766 --> 00:57:49,832
What he's saying now?
977
00:57:49,834 --> 00:57:51,834
He went to the wrong airline.
978
00:57:51,836 --> 00:57:54,770
They were saying, "No
that flight left early today."
979
00:57:54,772 --> 00:57:56,071
Hey, HR, how are you?
980
00:57:56,073 --> 00:57:56,938
It's Anthony.
981
00:57:56,940 --> 00:58:00,141
So, I'm in Buffalo
and Darryl's here
982
00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:02,209
and Doc is here
and Earl is here,
983
00:58:02,211 --> 00:58:04,645
and everybody else
is on their way.
984
00:58:04,647 --> 00:58:05,779
So I'm just checking
in with you.
985
00:58:05,781 --> 00:58:08,515
Call me back
when you get this and...
986
00:58:08,517 --> 00:58:10,149
Just want to make sure
everything's fine
987
00:58:10,151 --> 00:58:12,384
for the flight that
you're getting on,
988
00:58:12,386 --> 00:58:14,652
which is in about
an hour and a half,
989
00:58:14,654 --> 00:58:17,421
so you're probably on
your way to the airport.
990
00:58:17,423 --> 00:58:20,624
Okay, I'll talk to
you soon. Bye.
991
00:58:26,897 --> 00:58:27,930
I'm not sure.
992
00:58:27,932 --> 00:58:31,133
He left early this
morning for where?
993
00:58:35,304 --> 00:58:38,839
So he's... Apparently he
got up this morning and left.
994
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:42,909
Grant has no idea
how he left. But he left.
995
00:58:42,911 --> 00:58:44,944
Probably in a car.
996
00:58:45,478 --> 00:58:46,878
So he's probably
just doing that.
997
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,380
I mean, I don't know...
It's like,
998
00:58:49,647 --> 00:58:52,615
I'm gonna have to
eat the flights.
999
00:58:52,617 --> 00:58:54,049
That sucks.
1000
00:59:26,148 --> 00:59:27,815
Greetings, brothers and sisters.
1001
00:59:27,817 --> 00:59:32,219
We're here live in Toronto,
Canada, with the Brains.
1002
00:59:32,221 --> 00:59:35,021
And showtime will
be momentarily.
1003
00:59:35,023 --> 00:59:37,123
And thank you very much
for your cooperation
1004
00:59:37,125 --> 00:59:41,393
and your patience.
I'm HR, aka EHD.
1005
00:59:41,395 --> 00:59:43,795
Love I. Rastafari.
1006
01:00:40,351 --> 01:00:43,820
Ric Ocasek said he had our
ROIR cassette on his tour bus.
1007
01:00:43,822 --> 01:00:45,922
It would fire him up
to go on stage.
1008
01:00:45,924 --> 01:00:48,224
So he got a hold of us
when we played in Boston.
1009
01:00:48,226 --> 01:00:49,792
I thought it was really cool.
1010
01:00:49,794 --> 01:00:50,726
I thought it was strange too,
1011
01:00:50,728 --> 01:00:53,295
because I didn't really
like his band that much.
1012
01:00:53,297 --> 01:00:54,596
And I was a punker kid like
1013
01:00:54,598 --> 01:00:55,997
I hated The Cars.
You know, it was cool
1014
01:00:55,999 --> 01:00:58,733
to hate The Cars
if you were into punk.
1015
01:01:01,103 --> 01:01:04,038
You know, at that time
I was kind of like a...
1016
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,073
I was always looking
for things like that.
1017
01:01:06,075 --> 01:01:08,408
A lot of bands that came
through Boston I would
1018
01:01:08,410 --> 01:01:10,109
try to get them
to come to the studio
1019
01:01:10,111 --> 01:01:11,710
and, you know, do tracks.
1020
01:01:11,712 --> 01:01:13,678
You know, like Suicide,
1021
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,578
and Romeo Void,
1022
01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:15,545
whatever was far away from
1023
01:01:15,547 --> 01:01:17,747
kind of like what I was doing.
1024
01:01:17,749 --> 01:01:19,014
He was a really nice guy to us
1025
01:01:19,016 --> 01:01:21,649
and really brought us to
his studio, recorded our album
1026
01:01:21,651 --> 01:01:23,984
and he was sort of like
the rock star coming to
1027
01:01:23,986 --> 01:01:26,186
bring us into the
rock star world,
1028
01:01:26,188 --> 01:01:27,987
you know, give us good
guitars and shit
1029
01:01:27,989 --> 01:01:30,589
and takes us to places, give
us a per diem and all that.
1030
01:01:30,591 --> 01:01:32,924
Ric was just
a sweetheart, you know,
1031
01:01:32,926 --> 01:01:34,558
very supportive and
1032
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,060
he gave me a guitar.
1033
01:01:37,127 --> 01:01:41,463
That was our first time going
into a real proper studio.
1034
01:01:41,465 --> 01:01:44,466
And we went
in there for three days,
1035
01:01:44,468 --> 01:01:47,535
and recorded the whole
album in three days.
1036
01:02:07,921 --> 01:02:10,022
You don't have to dis
my man Ric Ocasek
1037
01:02:10,024 --> 01:02:11,723
because The Cars are
great in their own right,
1038
01:02:11,725 --> 01:02:14,959
but I remember feeling a little
disappointed when they like had
1039
01:02:14,961 --> 01:02:18,095
Ric Ocasek producing a Bad Brains
record and I was thinking like,
1040
01:02:18,097 --> 01:02:20,897
"Why are they having Ric Ocasek
produce a Bad Brains record?
1041
01:02:20,899 --> 01:02:22,231
"Like, they just made
1042
01:02:22,233 --> 01:02:25,634
"the most incredible
sounding thing
1043
01:02:25,735 --> 01:02:26,134
"at 171-A,
1044
01:02:26,136 --> 01:02:29,537
"like why would they want to
go into this like fancy studio
1045
01:02:29,539 --> 01:02:31,238
"and make this other thing?"
1046
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,342
There weren't too many kids
in the hardcore scene that...
1047
01:02:35,344 --> 01:02:38,511
Then, that weren't
influenced by Rock for Light.
1048
01:02:38,513 --> 01:02:40,346
You had to have that record.
1049
01:02:40,348 --> 01:02:42,448
You had to know that record.
If you didn't know that record
1050
01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:47,653
your other punk rock friends might be a
little suspicious. You know, like...
1051
01:02:53,059 --> 01:02:55,193
I know every drum lick
off of that record
1052
01:02:55,195 --> 01:02:56,360
and I have since I was 14.
1053
01:02:56,362 --> 01:03:00,197
I knew every single one of
their songs front to back.
1054
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,566
And from listening to Earl.
1055
01:03:09,073 --> 01:03:11,607
Earl didn't flail
around like a lot of
1056
01:03:11,609 --> 01:03:15,844
the spazzy, fucking white
punk rock drummers like me.
1057
01:03:18,314 --> 01:03:22,016
Earl was like Bernard Purdie
or something, you know.
1058
01:03:22,018 --> 01:03:24,752
He just had this thing, right.
1059
01:03:24,754 --> 01:03:26,019
He just seemed like
1060
01:03:26,021 --> 01:03:28,187
it was nothing.
Like whatever.
1061
01:03:28,189 --> 01:03:30,789
He was just killing it.
Who gives a shit?
1062
01:03:31,557 --> 01:03:33,524
I still use a lot of the tricks
1063
01:03:33,526 --> 01:03:37,194
that I learned from Earl,
still to this day.
1064
01:03:43,668 --> 01:03:46,202
I listen to Nevermind
and there's little
1065
01:03:46,204 --> 01:03:48,904
fills here and there
that I took from Earl.
1066
01:03:48,906 --> 01:03:51,406
Listen to How Low Can A Punk Get
1067
01:03:51,408 --> 01:03:54,742
from that Rat Music
for Rat People compilation.
1068
01:03:54,744 --> 01:03:58,545
And listen to the intro of
Smells Like Teen Spirit.
1069
01:04:07,420 --> 01:04:10,255
They're not exactly the same
but it's close.
1070
01:04:10,257 --> 01:04:11,856
And that's where I
learned how to do it.
1071
01:04:11,858 --> 01:04:15,960
So they're a huge
influence on the whole band.
1072
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:28,204
London, England.
1073
01:04:34,911 --> 01:04:38,813
This is one of the most
famous clubs in the world
1074
01:04:38,815 --> 01:04:40,915
where we'll be
performing tonight.
1075
01:04:40,917 --> 01:04:43,183
I mean, we're talking about
a place where
1076
01:04:43,185 --> 01:04:46,686
brothers and sisters
came to see...
1077
01:04:46,688 --> 01:04:49,722
James Brown, Deep Funk,
1078
01:04:49,724 --> 01:04:51,757
and Madonna.
1079
01:04:57,995 --> 01:05:01,163
A'ight, a'ight, a'ight.
Respect.
1080
01:05:01,165 --> 01:05:02,597
Good to see you all.
1081
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,099
What's going on, Don?
1082
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,533
Bad Brains tonight.
1083
01:05:06,535 --> 01:05:09,569
That's about it for me.
That's enough from me.
1084
01:05:09,571 --> 01:05:11,070
Bad Brains, man.
1085
01:05:11,072 --> 01:05:13,439
There's no one else that
you can really hold up
1086
01:05:13,441 --> 01:05:13,906
and say, "Yes,
1087
01:05:13,908 --> 01:05:16,475
"this is an example
of the punk thing
1088
01:05:16,477 --> 01:05:19,444
"having an effect
on some brothers."
1089
01:05:19,446 --> 01:05:21,746
You know, people that
weren't prepared to be
1090
01:05:21,748 --> 01:05:23,114
defined by their color.
1091
01:05:23,116 --> 01:05:26,617
Bad Brains are the
Sex Pistols of America.
1092
01:05:26,619 --> 01:05:29,286
I mean what the Pistols
did for the UK scene,
1093
01:05:29,288 --> 01:05:32,889
Bad Brains undoubtedly did
for the American scene.
1094
01:05:32,891 --> 01:05:37,126
Ask the Chili Peppers.
Ask the Beastie Boys.
1095
01:05:37,128 --> 01:05:38,460
Ask Black Flag.
1096
01:05:38,462 --> 01:05:41,029
Ask Fugazi, man,
and countless others.
1097
01:05:41,031 --> 01:05:44,832
It's undeniable. I mean,
a really incredible band.
1098
01:05:44,834 --> 01:05:46,466
And really individual.
1099
01:05:46,468 --> 01:05:48,901
The best is yet to come.
1100
01:05:58,244 --> 01:06:02,046
I haven't had anything to
smoke since yesterday.
1101
01:06:02,147 --> 01:06:04,848
I guess I better
get another key.
1102
01:06:05,082 --> 01:06:08,217
I have no idea how to get
ahold of the bus driver.
1103
01:06:08,219 --> 01:06:10,219
You know how to get
back to the hotel?
1104
01:06:10,221 --> 01:06:12,287
Do you have anything
written down?
1105
01:06:12,289 --> 01:06:14,622
So the bus driver's
not at the bus.
1106
01:06:14,624 --> 01:06:16,023
I don't have the bus
driver's number.
1107
01:06:16,025 --> 01:06:17,824
I guess it's probably
in my itinerary.
1108
01:06:17,826 --> 01:06:22,628
I know, but he also locked...
There's also a physical lock.
1109
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:24,663
Key lock that he actually set.
1110
01:06:24,665 --> 01:06:26,631
'Cause the door won't open.
1111
01:06:32,537 --> 01:06:35,472
Hi, boys and girls.
Hi, everybody.
1112
01:06:35,474 --> 01:06:38,875
Oh, thank you so much for your
patience and cooperation.
1113
01:06:38,877 --> 01:06:44,313
We'll have the show starting
as soon as possible here now
1114
01:06:44,315 --> 01:06:46,315
in the Netherlands.
1115
01:07:13,876 --> 01:07:16,978
This guy's a joke, all right?
1116
01:07:17,646 --> 01:07:19,580
This guy's a joke, okay?
1117
01:07:19,582 --> 01:07:21,582
I'm telling you now.
I'm not you.
1118
01:07:21,584 --> 01:07:24,217
You can't come to me
doing that shit.
1119
01:07:24,219 --> 01:07:25,718
Fuck that, man.
1120
01:07:43,769 --> 01:07:46,137
They throwing shit on the stage.
1121
01:07:50,609 --> 01:07:52,710
They suck.
1122
01:08:44,129 --> 01:08:47,231
We got hooked up with this
cat Ron Saint Germain,
1123
01:08:47,233 --> 01:08:49,299
supposed to be, like,
work with Hendrix.
1124
01:08:49,301 --> 01:08:51,668
Very technical dude
in the studio.
1125
01:08:51,670 --> 01:08:54,804
He really just wanted to capture
1126
01:08:54,806 --> 01:08:58,340
the band as the band.
1127
01:09:10,853 --> 01:09:13,754
Ron had the idea of going
to Long View.
1128
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:18,024
It's a great magical situation
1129
01:09:18,026 --> 01:09:20,393
to come away from the city
1130
01:09:20,395 --> 01:09:22,695
and go to Springfield,
Massachusetts,
1131
01:09:22,697 --> 01:09:25,898
in the middle of
real cow country.
1132
01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:37,275
Doc and Darryl,
and Earl, for that matter,
1133
01:09:37,277 --> 01:09:40,111
were so inspired,
they were always shooting
1134
01:09:40,113 --> 01:09:42,213
what I call shooting
from the hip, you know.
1135
01:09:42,215 --> 01:09:45,382
Not unlike Hendrix who also
played from the heart
1136
01:09:45,384 --> 01:09:46,816
and from the hip.
1137
01:09:48,285 --> 01:09:49,585
So we'd do five or six takes.
1138
01:09:49,587 --> 01:09:51,420
I couldn't run HR through that.
1139
01:09:51,422 --> 01:09:55,157
Because vocally, it's such
a demanding album that
1140
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:57,526
there would have been
no voice whatsoever.
1141
01:09:57,528 --> 01:10:00,762
And he tells me
Sunday afternoon, he says,
1142
01:10:00,764 --> 01:10:03,831
"Well, Ron, I kinda gotta go
1143
01:10:03,833 --> 01:10:06,733
"in a couple of hours," and
I said, "What do you mean?"
1144
01:10:06,735 --> 01:10:09,502
He says, "Yeah, I gotta
go to D.C." I said,
1145
01:10:09,504 --> 01:10:11,871
"What for?"
And he says, "Well,
1146
01:10:11,873 --> 01:10:13,672
"I gotta go to jail."
1147
01:10:14,907 --> 01:10:17,074
Right before
we went to record this,
1148
01:10:17,076 --> 01:10:21,845
HR got busted in D.C.
with a bunch of pot.
1149
01:10:22,313 --> 01:10:23,479
He ended up getting some time,
1150
01:10:23,481 --> 01:10:26,114
like six months
or something like that.
1151
01:10:26,116 --> 01:10:28,616
So we were kind of pinched.
1152
01:10:28,618 --> 01:10:31,285
We had enough time,
we had two hours so...
1153
01:10:31,287 --> 01:10:33,086
I basically just said,
"Run down,
1154
01:10:33,088 --> 01:10:34,487
"give me two takes
on each song."
1155
01:10:34,489 --> 01:10:36,489
I finished the recording with HR
1156
01:10:36,491 --> 01:10:40,159
and then he had to go serve
three or four months.
1157
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,361
And I had the one song which
1158
01:10:43,363 --> 01:10:45,262
wasn't finished, Sacred Love.
1159
01:10:45,264 --> 01:10:46,830
They just didn't have the vocal
1160
01:10:46,832 --> 01:10:48,431
on that particular song.
1161
01:10:48,433 --> 01:10:50,833
And Ron was just like,
I saw he was like
1162
01:10:50,835 --> 01:10:54,002
brainstorming. It's like, "What we
gonna do? How we gonna do this?"
1163
01:10:54,004 --> 01:10:59,173
You know, he was like, "Well, you know
Johnny Cash did a record in jail."
1164
01:11:01,943 --> 01:11:04,711
Took almost
two months to arrange
1165
01:11:04,713 --> 01:11:09,382
for HR to get to a
payphone in the D.C. jail.
1166
01:11:09,384 --> 01:11:11,050
He'd gotten to be
one of the guys who gets
1167
01:11:11,052 --> 01:11:14,520
to sweep up and he got to
be near the payphone
1168
01:11:14,522 --> 01:11:15,787
when nobody else was around.
1169
01:11:15,789 --> 01:11:18,189
Ron had him unscrew
the mouthpiece
1170
01:11:18,191 --> 01:11:19,957
and hold it up like a microphone
1171
01:11:19,959 --> 01:11:24,161
and hold the headset part
so he wouldn't get feedback.
1172
01:11:24,163 --> 01:11:26,229
Early on in
the session I can hear
1173
01:11:26,231 --> 01:11:28,731
he's kind of messing around
with something.
1174
01:11:28,733 --> 01:11:31,834
And I said, "HR,
what are you doing, man?"
1175
01:11:32,101 --> 01:11:33,201
He says,
1176
01:11:33,203 --> 01:11:34,936
"I'm getting high."
1177
01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:35,669
The story is,
1178
01:11:35,671 --> 01:11:37,637
he used to always
carry his Bible with him.
1179
01:11:37,639 --> 01:11:41,641
He used to always open
his Bible and then he'd clean
1180
01:11:41,643 --> 01:11:44,944
his herb on the title page.
1181
01:11:44,946 --> 01:11:47,613
So over the years
this title page
1182
01:11:47,615 --> 01:11:49,982
is black with resin.
1183
01:11:49,984 --> 01:11:54,286
He ripped that page out,
rolled it up and sparked it.
1184
01:11:54,288 --> 01:11:56,454
So he's smoking the Bible.
1185
01:11:56,456 --> 01:11:59,824
♪ Sacred love
1186
01:12:01,459 --> 01:12:03,726
♪ Sacred love
1187
01:12:05,595 --> 01:12:07,929
♪ Sacred love
1188
01:12:09,731 --> 01:12:12,065
♪ Sacred love ♪
1189
01:12:13,233 --> 01:12:16,201
And he did a couple,
two, three takes
1190
01:12:16,203 --> 01:12:17,569
and that was it.
It was tremendous.
1191
01:12:17,571 --> 01:12:23,775
All the guys down one of the
tiers could hear him singing,
1192
01:12:23,777 --> 01:12:25,443
so it was pretty amazing
1193
01:12:25,445 --> 01:12:27,745
he was able to get away with it.
1194
01:12:27,747 --> 01:12:31,749
♪ I'm in here,
you're out there
1195
01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:35,819
♪ We know what's right
1196
01:12:36,287 --> 01:12:40,056
♪ No crying, no lying
1197
01:12:40,424 --> 01:12:43,759
♪ Our hearts declared ♪
1198
01:13:09,651 --> 01:13:12,319
We're basically on
the west side of New York.
1199
01:13:12,321 --> 01:13:15,221
First punk show
I've ever seen on a boat.
1200
01:13:15,223 --> 01:13:16,088
Seeing one of the legends of
1201
01:13:16,090 --> 01:13:17,789
American hardcore,
the Bad Brains.
1202
01:13:17,791 --> 01:13:22,059
Really looking forward to it.
These guys are our guys, man.
1203
01:13:28,066 --> 01:13:30,867
I didn't ever listen
to punk rock music
1204
01:13:30,869 --> 01:13:32,835
until I went to my dad's show.
1205
01:13:32,837 --> 01:13:35,037
And I was like,
"Oh, my God, this is amazing."
1206
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:36,605
And then I got really into it.
1207
01:13:36,607 --> 01:13:39,307
And I was like, this is
the best band ever.
1208
01:13:39,309 --> 01:13:41,375
It's like a whole experience,
like, going there.
1209
01:13:41,377 --> 01:13:43,276
I explain it to
some of my friends, like,
1210
01:13:43,278 --> 01:13:46,145
"Dude, you see the
Bad Brains perform,
1211
01:13:46,147 --> 01:13:49,248
"and you're just like
blown away."
1212
01:13:54,087 --> 01:13:58,857
It's so special, I get look and hear
all the people like, "Amazing,"
1213
01:13:58,859 --> 01:14:02,327
around me and I just have
that little gem inside
1214
01:14:02,329 --> 01:14:04,295
like, "That's my dad."
1215
01:14:04,297 --> 01:14:07,031
Proud feeling. It's good.
1216
01:14:38,797 --> 01:14:41,165
Now, I did talk with, um,
1217
01:14:41,167 --> 01:14:42,399
his friend.
1218
01:14:42,401 --> 01:14:44,501
The other president.
What's his name?
1219
01:14:44,503 --> 01:14:47,904
Charlton Heston.
Remember Charlton Heston?
1220
01:14:47,906 --> 01:14:52,675
You know, the one who did the movie
Ben Hur, you know, the Bible,
1221
01:14:52,677 --> 01:14:56,245
and those other movies.
Anyway, his daughter
1222
01:14:56,247 --> 01:15:00,515
assured me that Paris
and the others,
1223
01:15:00,517 --> 01:15:01,449
remember Paris Hilton,
1224
01:15:01,451 --> 01:15:04,385
they're gonna keep up
the good work, okay?
1225
01:15:04,387 --> 01:15:06,720
So I'll see you later,
all right.
1226
01:15:06,722 --> 01:15:07,954
All right, God bless you.
1227
01:15:07,956 --> 01:15:12,058
Thank you for coming
to the show. Rastafari.
1228
01:15:15,962 --> 01:15:18,330
What just happened?
1229
01:15:21,634 --> 01:15:28,006
I honestly hope that HR consistently
finds inner peace, you know.
1230
01:15:28,008 --> 01:15:29,707
You know, he's touched
with that thing,
1231
01:15:29,709 --> 01:15:32,576
he's touched with
that extraordinary...
1232
01:15:32,578 --> 01:15:35,478
"Genius" is an overused word,
1233
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:36,879
but he is really one of a kind.
1234
01:15:36,881 --> 01:15:40,883
I mean, he is of a kind like
Thelonious Monk, even though
1235
01:15:40,885 --> 01:15:42,084
people will holler and scream
1236
01:15:42,086 --> 01:15:46,555
but something so
implacably original
1237
01:15:46,689 --> 01:15:49,590
that he is that thing.
1238
01:16:04,871 --> 01:16:09,040
HR wanted to start a new
band called the Zion Train.
1239
01:16:09,042 --> 01:16:11,942
This was a band that was
gonna do pure reggae.
1240
01:16:11,944 --> 01:16:15,145
And have a dancing
chorus of girls.
1241
01:16:15,147 --> 01:16:16,613
Horn section.
1242
01:16:16,615 --> 01:16:18,348
It might have worked.
1243
01:16:19,817 --> 01:16:22,485
There was the
whole Zion Train phase.
1244
01:16:22,487 --> 01:16:23,385
We'd go see the shows,
1245
01:16:23,387 --> 01:16:25,286
and appreciate what
they're doing but was
1246
01:16:25,288 --> 01:16:27,788
not what we particularly
wanted to see.
1247
01:16:29,824 --> 01:16:30,990
We went to CB's
when they came out,
1248
01:16:30,992 --> 01:16:34,526
we were all psyched to see them and
they just played a whole set of reggae.
1249
01:16:34,528 --> 01:16:36,394
It was just like...
1250
01:16:37,429 --> 01:16:39,863
What did I smoke this joint for?
1251
01:16:39,865 --> 01:16:41,331
Nothing.
1252
01:16:42,433 --> 01:16:43,433
When HR came to say
1253
01:16:43,435 --> 01:16:45,368
we was going to be
called Zion Train,
1254
01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:46,202
I wasn't really feeling that.
1255
01:16:46,204 --> 01:16:49,438
And I was thinking 'cause
I loved my Bad Brains in the
1256
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:52,441
unit that we had
and I wasn't really into it.
1257
01:16:52,443 --> 01:16:53,742
We're all brothers, you know.
1258
01:16:53,744 --> 01:16:56,010
We all grew up and went
to junior high school
1259
01:16:56,012 --> 01:16:57,778
and high school together
and all that, you know.
1260
01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:01,148
It's a family, so you know you
get tired of your brothers.
1261
01:17:01,150 --> 01:17:04,017
So you gotta
take a little break.
1262
01:17:05,252 --> 01:17:05,985
You know?
1263
01:17:05,987 --> 01:17:08,787
The band broke up
soon after that.
1264
01:17:08,789 --> 01:17:10,989
Human Rights are HR's band.
1265
01:17:10,991 --> 01:17:13,391
He did that
immediately when he left.
1266
01:17:13,393 --> 01:17:16,494
And the band got back
together in '85, '86
1267
01:17:16,496 --> 01:17:19,663
and broke up again
sometime in '87.
1268
01:17:19,665 --> 01:17:20,563
HR needed a drummer.
1269
01:17:20,565 --> 01:17:21,764
If Bad Brains wasn't
going to happen,
1270
01:17:21,766 --> 01:17:25,400
Earl was gonna go with HR
and play drums there.
1271
01:17:29,371 --> 01:17:30,637
I was a fan of the band so...
1272
01:17:30,639 --> 01:17:33,673
And I wanted to be in the band,
to be in my favorite band,
1273
01:17:33,675 --> 01:17:37,910
but to be in the band with someone
other than HR didn't seem right,
1274
01:17:37,912 --> 01:17:40,879
but kids were...
They were into it, anyway.
1275
01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:43,681
The Brains is not one person.
1276
01:17:43,683 --> 01:17:46,417
The Brains is the
works of a father.
1277
01:17:46,419 --> 01:17:48,886
"Darryl," I said,
"Let's try out some
1278
01:17:48,888 --> 01:17:52,923
"other singers, 'cause we gotta
do what we gotta do, you know."
1279
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,761
Chuck Mosley from
Faith No More sang
1280
01:17:58,763 --> 01:18:01,797
for maybe a year or
something, you know.
1281
01:18:01,799 --> 01:18:04,366
We did some short tours.
1282
01:18:06,302 --> 01:18:07,902
We ended up
getting this guy, Taj
1283
01:18:07,904 --> 01:18:11,205
and they ended up calling it
the Bad Brains and using Taj
1284
01:18:11,207 --> 01:18:12,839
and playing a couple
of those tunes
1285
01:18:12,841 --> 01:18:16,676
and we did some short tours
with him singing.
1286
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,490
Quickness was recorded with... When
the band was kind of broken up.
1287
01:18:31,492 --> 01:18:33,692
Taj was supposed to sing on it.
1288
01:18:33,694 --> 01:18:35,093
And it just never came together.
1289
01:18:35,095 --> 01:18:37,562
And right at that point
it always would happen.
1290
01:18:37,564 --> 01:18:40,865
I mean HR would
probably hear on the...
1291
01:18:40,932 --> 01:18:41,765
Grapevine,
1292
01:18:41,767 --> 01:18:44,134
that we were recording a record.
1293
01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:45,068
So he checked in, like,
1294
01:18:45,070 --> 01:18:48,438
"I hear that you're working
on a new record."
1295
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,073
And Darryl brought
him a cassette,
1296
01:18:51,075 --> 01:18:54,843
the tracks that we'd recorded
that had no vocals.
1297
01:18:54,845 --> 01:18:58,446
HR sat in this
hotel room for two days
1298
01:18:58,448 --> 01:19:00,714
and after two days,
1299
01:19:00,716 --> 01:19:03,083
he was like,
"Okay, I'm ready."
1300
01:19:03,317 --> 01:19:07,053
He'd written all the lyrics
that became Quickness.
1301
01:19:14,161 --> 01:19:16,929
They got the band back
together and they toured again
1302
01:19:16,931 --> 01:19:19,264
and I think he lasted
maybe a month again
1303
01:19:19,266 --> 01:19:21,933
before he decided to go off and
1304
01:19:21,935 --> 01:19:24,402
he didn't tour the band again.
1305
01:19:29,574 --> 01:19:30,707
It's gotten to be a habit.
1306
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:32,709
So now he's quit the band
three times,
1307
01:19:32,711 --> 01:19:35,945
it's gotten to be
a pattern with HR.
1308
01:19:44,486 --> 01:19:48,388
This chick was at our
audition and said, "I know
1309
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:51,224
"the dude that's supposed
to sing for y'all."
1310
01:19:55,696 --> 01:19:58,364
I was at about 21 at this time.
1311
01:19:58,366 --> 01:20:00,966
I get a phone call
and it's Darryl.
1312
01:20:00,968 --> 01:20:01,866
"No, you can't be serious."
1313
01:20:01,868 --> 01:20:03,734
He said, "Yeah, this
is Darryl Jenifer.
1314
01:20:03,736 --> 01:20:07,337
"What's going on, man?
So I heard you sing, you know.
1315
01:20:07,339 --> 01:20:11,674
"I'd like you to come on up
to Woodstock and jam with us."
1316
01:20:11,676 --> 01:20:14,576
Turns out he knew a lot of
our songs the first day.
1317
01:20:14,578 --> 01:20:15,677
Soon as we hit off to play
1318
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,712
any of our covers
he knew them right away.
1319
01:20:17,714 --> 01:20:19,346
And when we heard him
we were really excited.
1320
01:20:19,348 --> 01:20:20,747
He was perfect.
In the beginning,
1321
01:20:20,749 --> 01:20:23,116
there was so much excitement
for the whole thing.
1322
01:20:23,118 --> 01:20:26,619
We went out on the road
for like three years.
1323
01:20:26,621 --> 01:20:30,222
And we spread Rastafari
message all over the Earth.
1324
01:20:38,231 --> 01:20:40,365
Israel's so easy to work with.
1325
01:20:40,367 --> 01:20:41,999
So easy to be with
and travel with.
1326
01:20:42,001 --> 01:20:45,435
Everything about him was just,
it was just magic that way.
1327
01:20:45,437 --> 01:20:49,605
He was not HR, but he
did a credible job.
1328
01:20:49,607 --> 01:20:52,341
But, you know, it's like, who
can replace Mick Jagger?
1329
01:20:52,343 --> 01:20:54,276
Who can replace John Lennon?
1330
01:21:05,688 --> 01:21:08,022
By March '94,
1331
01:21:08,024 --> 01:21:09,490
I got a call from Yauch,
1332
01:21:09,492 --> 01:21:12,559
saying that we should
get back together.
1333
01:21:12,561 --> 01:21:13,626
He was in LA, saw HR.
1334
01:21:13,628 --> 01:21:15,294
You know, he's being like
a friend. "Come on, man,
1335
01:21:15,296 --> 01:21:16,495
"you guys, what's
you guys' problems?"
1336
01:21:16,497 --> 01:21:18,663
I'm saying HR's
getting on my nerves.
1337
01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:20,498
He saying, "I'll deal with
the fussy problems."
1338
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,899
I said "Yo, if you see HR,
and he wanna do it,
1339
01:21:21,901 --> 01:21:25,302
"a lot of things go down like that.
It's cool, tell him to call me."
1340
01:21:25,304 --> 01:21:26,636
So next thing you know,
my phone rings,
1341
01:21:26,638 --> 01:21:28,004
he's like, "Oh, hi
Darryl, this is HR,
1342
01:21:28,006 --> 01:21:30,373
"everything's smooth
out here, I'm okay.
1343
01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:31,640
"I met this guy at a show
1344
01:21:31,642 --> 01:21:33,274
"that want to make
a record with us.
1345
01:21:33,276 --> 01:21:36,243
"His name is Guy Oseary,
you should call him."
1346
01:21:36,245 --> 01:21:37,911
Turns out it's
Maverick, it's Madonna,
1347
01:21:37,913 --> 01:21:39,712
and they want to sign us,
they want to sign us fast.
1348
01:21:39,714 --> 01:21:43,949
It feel like something... Like
they'd better get it poppin', quick.
1349
01:21:43,951 --> 01:21:45,750
And the deal was a great deal.
1350
01:21:45,752 --> 01:21:48,052
It was so
in the band's interest.
1351
01:21:48,853 --> 01:21:50,553
I mean, they'd really
come around on
1352
01:21:50,555 --> 01:21:52,454
almost every single point.
1353
01:21:52,456 --> 01:21:55,323
I mean, they went into
motion like a...
1354
01:21:55,325 --> 01:21:57,525
Like a, like a President,
like a White House
1355
01:21:57,527 --> 01:21:59,860
or something, shit was like,
contracts, lawyers...
1356
01:21:59,862 --> 01:22:02,229
Everything just appeared like...
1357
01:22:02,231 --> 01:22:06,433
You know what I mean, it was
just like an operating table.
1358
01:22:07,134 --> 01:22:09,502
We signed the deal and
we got a little money and
1359
01:22:09,504 --> 01:22:12,037
we got put up
in Beverly Hills and
1360
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:13,705
we made the record.
1361
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,048
One of my favorite records
at that time was
1362
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:26,483
the debut Weezer album
1363
01:22:26,485 --> 01:22:28,117
which Ric Ocasek produced.
1364
01:22:33,922 --> 01:22:35,222
And of course he
produced my favorite
1365
01:22:35,224 --> 01:22:37,490
Bad Brains album, which
was Rock for Life.
1366
01:22:37,492 --> 01:22:39,091
And I thought, you know,
1367
01:22:39,093 --> 01:22:40,926
just let me call this guy
1368
01:22:40,928 --> 01:22:43,895
and maybe see
if he'll produce it.
1369
01:22:43,897 --> 01:22:46,864
HR never came to a rehearsal.
1370
01:22:47,765 --> 01:22:49,565
I was taking him
to his first rehearsal
1371
01:22:49,567 --> 01:22:51,133
after they already rehearsed
for a week
1372
01:22:51,135 --> 01:22:52,400
and when we got
to the rehearsal area
1373
01:22:52,402 --> 01:22:54,769
there was a graveyard
across the street from it.
1374
01:22:54,771 --> 01:22:57,071
He wouldn't even go near
the rehearsal hall.
1375
01:22:57,073 --> 01:22:59,473
I had to take him
all the way back home.
1376
01:22:59,475 --> 01:23:00,574
He wouldn't even
like set foot in it
1377
01:23:00,576 --> 01:23:03,243
because it was across the
street from a graveyard.
1378
01:23:03,245 --> 01:23:06,279
He said, "I don't wanna,
I don't wanna rehearse,
1379
01:23:06,346 --> 01:23:08,547
"you know, by the dead."
1380
01:23:08,549 --> 01:23:11,683
But when he came in the
studio to do the stuff,
1381
01:23:11,685 --> 01:23:13,184
he nailed it every time.
1382
01:23:13,186 --> 01:23:15,753
He was doing like
seven-part harmonies.
1383
01:23:15,755 --> 01:23:19,356
You know like, right
on top of each other.
1384
01:23:19,358 --> 01:23:21,257
Perfect every time.
1385
01:23:41,211 --> 01:23:43,145
When we gave them their
advance for the album,
1386
01:23:43,147 --> 01:23:45,914
I got a phone call from
a car dealership
1387
01:23:45,916 --> 01:23:47,282
and the guy wanted
to talk to me.
1388
01:23:47,284 --> 01:23:49,784
He's with HR
at a car dealership.
1389
01:23:49,786 --> 01:23:50,451
So I pick up and I said,
1390
01:23:50,453 --> 01:23:55,289
"Hi," and he goes, "Oh, I just
want to verify, this guy really is
1391
01:23:55,291 --> 01:23:58,592
"a musician and he really is,
you know, has the money."
1392
01:23:58,594 --> 01:24:01,394
"Yeah, we just paid him
an advance, he's got some,
1393
01:24:01,396 --> 01:24:04,463
"some money,
he's on this record label."
1394
01:24:04,465 --> 01:24:06,598
And he said, "Okay
cool, thank you."
1395
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:07,665
And I said, "Whoa! Wait."
I go...
1396
01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:10,801
"Out of curiosity,
what's he buying?"
1397
01:24:10,803 --> 01:24:15,539
And he said, I think
it was a 1980 limo.
1398
01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:17,240
A limousine?
1399
01:24:17,708 --> 01:24:20,042
So um,
1400
01:24:20,343 --> 01:24:22,243
I said, "Can you put
him on the phone?"
1401
01:24:22,245 --> 01:24:23,477
He puts HR on the phone,
1402
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:28,381
I go, "HR!
You're buying a 1980 limo?"
1403
01:24:28,383 --> 01:24:30,182
And he said, "Yeah."
1404
01:24:30,184 --> 01:24:32,651
I said, "Really?"
He goes, "It's beautiful."
1405
01:24:32,653 --> 01:24:36,321
And I said "Really?
Who's gonna drive you?"
1406
01:24:36,323 --> 01:24:38,690
He said, "Scotty."
1407
01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:40,692
Scotty is a guy who
works at my company
1408
01:24:40,694 --> 01:24:43,127
who drove him to
the car dealership.
1409
01:24:43,428 --> 01:24:46,096
The guy who works
for us, with us,
1410
01:24:46,098 --> 01:24:48,298
who's not even...
Just did me the favor
1411
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:49,032
to take him to the dealership.
1412
01:24:49,034 --> 01:24:51,534
Now he thinks he's gonna drive
him in a limo everywhere.
1413
01:24:51,536 --> 01:24:55,404
HR's behavior started to
become increasingly bizarre.
1414
01:24:55,406 --> 01:24:56,938
And all these things
that went down
1415
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:58,239
and the particulars
involved in this
1416
01:24:58,241 --> 01:25:01,141
particular advent of our
careers is very entertaining.
1417
01:25:01,143 --> 01:25:03,376
There's no way I can get
into the different particulars
1418
01:25:03,378 --> 01:25:05,945
but it's some of
the most entertaining
1419
01:25:05,947 --> 01:25:09,682
particulars that you will ever
hear about a rock band.
1420
01:25:09,684 --> 01:25:11,684
Bad Brains going to LA
1421
01:25:11,686 --> 01:25:12,551
on Maverick Records.
1422
01:25:12,553 --> 01:25:15,787
I remember, one day
he walked in with a dead fish
1423
01:25:15,789 --> 01:25:17,088
in a bra.
1424
01:25:17,422 --> 01:25:21,258
And cooked the fish
in the Maverick kitchen
1425
01:25:21,492 --> 01:25:24,126
and left it there,
after he cooked it.
1426
01:25:24,128 --> 01:25:25,861
And then just left.
1427
01:25:26,562 --> 01:25:30,531
When we were at Maverick,
we actually got him a...
1428
01:25:30,533 --> 01:25:32,499
He got him one meeting with a,
1429
01:25:32,501 --> 01:25:34,968
you know, a doctor to the stars.
1430
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:39,038
But you know, he's...
He's not cooperative.
1431
01:25:39,539 --> 01:25:41,573
No one had ever warned me
1432
01:25:41,774 --> 01:25:42,974
about anything.
1433
01:25:42,976 --> 01:25:45,009
No one ever warned me that
1434
01:25:45,011 --> 01:25:46,643
HR had
1435
01:25:46,645 --> 01:25:49,612
probably schizophrenia,
I mean, I don't know that
1436
01:25:49,614 --> 01:25:54,750
if it's medical or, I mean, I'm
not sure, but to me it's...
1437
01:25:54,752 --> 01:25:57,219
No one had warned be that
there is this other
1438
01:25:57,221 --> 01:25:59,254
character there somewhere.
1439
01:26:11,567 --> 01:26:14,936
We were lucky enough
that the Beastie Boys
1440
01:26:14,938 --> 01:26:17,471
put the Bad Brains
on their tour.
1441
01:26:20,141 --> 01:26:22,242
Opening night,
1442
01:26:22,244 --> 01:26:24,777
the tour, I was there
with a colleague
1443
01:26:24,779 --> 01:26:26,912
and we were waiting
for them to go on
1444
01:26:26,914 --> 01:26:28,813
and we were basically
high-fiving each other.
1445
01:26:28,815 --> 01:26:31,715
Like, how amazing is this? We're
on the Beastie Boys tour.
1446
01:26:31,717 --> 01:26:33,683
This is going to be
you know, incredible,
1447
01:26:33,685 --> 01:26:37,086
and we really felt blessed
to be part of this.
1448
01:26:37,088 --> 01:26:41,323
And five minutes of waiting turns
into 10 minutes of waiting.
1449
01:26:41,325 --> 01:26:44,025
Turns into 30 minutes of waiting
1450
01:26:44,326 --> 01:26:46,160
and then we knew
something was wrong.
1451
01:26:46,162 --> 01:26:47,895
HR would not come off the bus.
1452
01:26:47,897 --> 01:26:49,696
Well, he said that the
1453
01:26:49,698 --> 01:26:52,865
authorities and the general
didn't address him
1454
01:26:52,867 --> 01:26:55,200
in the correct fashion
and the order of...
1455
01:26:55,202 --> 01:26:57,235
I'm not even sure what
he was talking about.
1456
01:26:57,237 --> 01:27:00,905
As I was walking him off
the bus, he basically
1457
01:27:00,907 --> 01:27:04,074
started attacking
people on the bus.
1458
01:27:12,249 --> 01:27:15,184
He attacked his brother
and Anthony.
1459
01:27:19,756 --> 01:27:21,790
And I didn't have to
go to the hospital
1460
01:27:21,792 --> 01:27:22,957
or anything like that.
1461
01:27:22,959 --> 01:27:24,725
They just kinda taped me up.
1462
01:27:26,562 --> 01:27:28,728
Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah,
1463
01:27:28,730 --> 01:27:32,398
it was pretty intense,
it was a brilliant attack.
1464
01:27:41,808 --> 01:27:45,510
He was like punching and
I couldn't really punch him
1465
01:27:45,512 --> 01:27:47,111
because I didn't want
to hurt him.
1466
01:27:47,113 --> 01:27:50,013
Because I wanted
him to go on stage.
1467
01:27:50,015 --> 01:27:52,815
So, I can't... I'm not gonna
bloody his nose.
1468
01:27:52,817 --> 01:27:53,649
He's gotta go on the stage.
1469
01:27:53,651 --> 01:27:56,018
Well, it was... You know,
it's hard to even describe it,
1470
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:58,887
it happened so fast,
like, we were really excited,
1471
01:27:58,889 --> 01:28:01,422
being huge Bad Brains fans,
to have them
1472
01:28:01,424 --> 01:28:05,058
on our shows, all of a sudden
and next thing we hear is like
1473
01:28:05,060 --> 01:28:07,727
Bad Brains aren't gonna
make the next state.
1474
01:28:07,729 --> 01:28:11,363
"Oh, why not?"
"Oh, HR had some problems."
1475
01:28:11,997 --> 01:28:15,566
Basically, they said, "You
can't come back to Toronto,"
1476
01:28:15,568 --> 01:28:16,266
he was expelled
1477
01:28:16,268 --> 01:28:17,867
'cause they found
some weed on him.
1478
01:28:17,869 --> 01:28:21,036
That's what got him in the most
trouble, not even the fight.
1479
01:28:21,038 --> 01:28:25,106
And I saw him in a plane,
he looked just happy-go-lucky.
1480
01:28:25,407 --> 01:28:28,375
And it was so funny,
man, 'cause...
1481
01:28:28,377 --> 01:28:31,911
People is... They didn't
know, was I losing my mind?
1482
01:28:31,913 --> 01:28:34,713
I wasn't talking to them,
then who was I talking to,
1483
01:28:34,715 --> 01:28:35,280
the man in the mirror?
1484
01:28:35,282 --> 01:28:40,885
But see they crawl inside the walls
and then hide in the cracks.
1485
01:28:40,887 --> 01:28:44,154
The snakes and
spiders, you know,
1486
01:28:44,156 --> 01:28:46,523
and iguanas,
and I hear 'em in there,
1487
01:28:46,525 --> 01:28:49,759
moving around
and getting, you know,
1488
01:28:49,761 --> 01:28:51,560
information and...
1489
01:28:52,328 --> 01:28:56,931
Like I said, I'm grateful
those days are over with.
1490
01:29:07,876 --> 01:29:08,976
Hi, everybody.
1491
01:29:08,978 --> 01:29:11,011
West Side.
East Side...
1492
01:29:11,013 --> 01:29:12,512
All right.
1493
01:29:15,516 --> 01:29:17,383
Rastafari.
1494
01:29:18,718 --> 01:29:20,920
CBGB's was shutting down
1495
01:29:20,922 --> 01:29:22,988
and everybody in the band
knew it was happening
1496
01:29:22,990 --> 01:29:25,023
and they knew that
we really had to play.
1497
01:29:25,025 --> 01:29:27,091
And we had to go and play shows
1498
01:29:27,093 --> 01:29:29,426
at CB's, I mean,
it was necessary.
1499
01:29:29,428 --> 01:29:31,361
Bad Brains'll
fill the place so easily
1500
01:29:31,363 --> 01:29:33,563
and we'd done that
before many times,
1501
01:29:33,565 --> 01:29:35,464
three nights in row.
1502
01:29:35,665 --> 01:29:37,799
I was actually in it for myself,
1503
01:29:37,801 --> 01:29:40,401
a real honor to be asked to
1504
01:29:41,736 --> 01:29:43,703
play there three nights.
1505
01:29:53,013 --> 01:29:54,980
This advent of our career is,
1506
01:29:54,982 --> 01:29:57,882
it's still like
a little stressful,
1507
01:29:57,884 --> 01:29:59,483
a little, uh...
1508
01:29:59,485 --> 01:30:00,450
Unpredictable.
1509
01:30:00,452 --> 01:30:02,285
He had a helmet,
which kind of upset me
1510
01:30:02,287 --> 01:30:05,921
and I thought it like, "What
the fuck is this guy on?"
1511
01:30:09,624 --> 01:30:11,157
We had seen
the helmet at rehearsal,
1512
01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:13,826
so it's like you know, you
wanna wear it, that's cool.
1513
01:30:13,828 --> 01:30:16,628
But just don't wear it
the whole night.
1514
01:30:16,729 --> 01:30:18,896
'Cause the wireless mike
1515
01:30:18,997 --> 01:30:19,496
in the helmet
1516
01:30:19,498 --> 01:30:22,932
was messing up the sound
and it was feedback and...
1517
01:30:22,934 --> 01:30:25,868
There was feedback so that we couldn't
even hear the amps and stuff.
1518
01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:29,071
At CB's when he put
the motorcycle helmet on
1519
01:30:29,073 --> 01:30:31,540
and he had the fucking
headset underneath
1520
01:30:31,542 --> 01:30:32,707
and then the thing,
and he's singing
1521
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:35,376
from the inside the fucking
motorcycle helmet,
1522
01:30:35,378 --> 01:30:38,445
I mean, we were
fuckin' dying, man.
1523
01:30:38,447 --> 01:30:41,381
The band was still
the band, you know,
1524
01:30:41,383 --> 01:30:44,984
those are my great friends since
I'm a little boy and then,
1525
01:30:44,986 --> 01:30:47,653
there's this guy
on stage that's not
1526
01:30:47,655 --> 01:30:49,755
who he used to be...
1527
01:30:49,757 --> 01:30:52,424
Sometimes, it's scary HR might
be acting a certain way,
1528
01:30:52,426 --> 01:30:55,660
like HR has got
a lot of ways he can be.
1529
01:30:55,927 --> 01:30:58,061
There are times
when what HR does
1530
01:30:58,063 --> 01:31:00,263
seems irrational to everybody.
1531
01:31:00,265 --> 01:31:02,231
But it has to do with
something that's going on,
1532
01:31:02,233 --> 01:31:07,402
some kind of dynamic that's
going on within his psyche
1533
01:31:07,404 --> 01:31:09,871
and his psyche is very important
1534
01:31:09,873 --> 01:31:14,242
to his creativity,
and to this band's...
1535
01:31:15,677 --> 01:31:17,711
Amazing strength.
1536
01:31:30,458 --> 01:31:33,259
I know I'm not the son of God.
1537
01:31:33,261 --> 01:31:35,594
I'm not Lucifer,
I'm not a demon,
1538
01:31:35,596 --> 01:31:39,364
I'm not the devil,
I don't hate you.
1539
01:31:39,366 --> 01:31:42,166
Our objective, what we
would like to do
1540
01:31:42,168 --> 01:31:46,103
is entertain,
we're live here now
1541
01:31:46,437 --> 01:31:48,905
in a... On planet Earth.
1542
01:31:48,907 --> 01:31:51,207
Bad Brains!
Bad Brains!
1543
01:31:51,209 --> 01:31:53,108
Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
1544
01:31:53,175 --> 01:31:54,475
Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
1545
01:31:54,477 --> 01:31:57,377
Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
Bad Brains!
1546
01:31:57,379 --> 01:32:00,213
Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
Bad Brains!
1547
01:32:00,215 --> 01:32:04,083
Bad Brains! Bad Brains!
Bad Brains!
1548
01:32:17,163 --> 01:32:20,698
Oh, I think he was
sabotaging shit a lot.
1549
01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:24,134
And that's what a lot
of people seem to think too.
1550
01:32:24,301 --> 01:32:25,634
I mean, I've seen him like
1551
01:32:25,636 --> 01:32:27,502
almost laughing
at the crowd like...
1552
01:32:27,504 --> 01:32:29,570
And if you don't wanna
do it, then don't do it.
1553
01:32:29,572 --> 01:32:33,674
Don't charge the fans 20 bucks
to get in to come to your show.
1554
01:32:33,676 --> 01:32:35,208
Stay the fuck home.
1555
01:32:35,210 --> 01:32:36,876
Thank you very much.
1556
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:38,577
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
1557
01:32:38,579 --> 01:32:41,346
Now, you wanna hear
some more music?
1558
01:32:41,348 --> 01:32:44,349
Yes!
That's good.
1559
01:32:44,351 --> 01:32:47,785
Oh, I'm boring now.
Oh, okay.
1560
01:32:49,822 --> 01:32:53,723
Oh, I'm a sissy
and a faggot, okay.
1561
01:32:55,926 --> 01:32:59,295
Anything else you want
to remind us about
1562
01:32:59,496 --> 01:33:02,231
before we play the next song?
1563
01:33:03,633 --> 01:33:05,600
Well, okay, thank you.
1564
01:33:05,602 --> 01:33:06,901
I felt like
1565
01:33:06,903 --> 01:33:09,036
he was disrespecting
1566
01:33:09,737 --> 01:33:11,404
the audience.
1567
01:33:35,362 --> 01:33:38,297
In Chicago, I thought
he was kind of slacking it
1568
01:33:38,299 --> 01:33:42,200
or half-assing it, or
being a prick to the fans.
1569
01:33:47,271 --> 01:33:48,638
All right.
1570
01:33:53,876 --> 01:33:56,978
Aren't we having a divine time?
1571
01:34:07,655 --> 01:34:09,589
You don't wanna do it?
1572
01:34:10,591 --> 01:34:11,991
It's no good.
1573
01:34:12,225 --> 01:34:13,925
Point the cameras
in there, this is it,
1574
01:34:13,927 --> 01:34:16,594
this is it, I can't believe
it, all these years.
1575
01:34:16,596 --> 01:34:18,796
Finally get away from this shit.
1576
01:34:19,497 --> 01:34:21,998
Gave it my all, man.
1577
01:34:22,466 --> 01:34:23,966
You're a saboteur, kid.
1578
01:34:23,968 --> 01:34:26,902
I can't believe... You a sell-out,
too, you a sell-out-ass nigga.
1579
01:34:26,904 --> 01:34:28,937
I been wanting
to tell you this forever.
1580
01:34:28,939 --> 01:34:31,372
You a sell-out, man,
I'm telling you.
1581
01:34:31,506 --> 01:34:32,105
Judas.
1582
01:34:32,107 --> 01:34:36,075
I got song for you called
Black Judas, that's you.
1583
01:34:36,077 --> 01:34:37,276
So good luck with
your life, man.
1584
01:34:37,278 --> 01:34:39,344
Don't be calling my house
and shit, talking about
1585
01:34:39,346 --> 01:34:40,411
this and that and that and this
1586
01:34:40,413 --> 01:34:42,946
'cause I've see you coming
to sabotage shit.
1587
01:34:42,948 --> 01:34:44,981
Play with you
amateur-ass niggas,
1588
01:34:44,983 --> 01:34:46,215
and leave the pros
alone, all right.
1589
01:34:46,217 --> 01:34:48,584
'Cause the pros will have...
Don't give a fuck about you,
1590
01:34:48,586 --> 01:34:50,752
the pros hold that shit down.
1591
01:34:50,754 --> 01:34:52,353
I don't care about your little
1592
01:34:52,355 --> 01:34:54,888
runaway crackhead
smiles and shit, man.
1593
01:34:54,890 --> 01:34:56,589
You're a sell-out,
I'm telling you that.
1594
01:34:56,591 --> 01:34:59,592
Now, I hope I never have to
see your ass again.
1595
01:34:59,594 --> 01:35:00,826
After tonight, you're done.
1596
01:35:00,828 --> 01:35:02,794
You don't have to make
the people feel bad,
1597
01:35:02,796 --> 01:35:03,861
you don't have to make
1598
01:35:03,863 --> 01:35:06,897
the youth then
feel bad, no more.
1599
01:35:06,899 --> 01:35:08,899
He's a sell-out, man.
1600
01:35:08,901 --> 01:35:09,833
Come on, man.
1601
01:35:09,835 --> 01:35:11,034
Fuck man, he's a sell-out.
1602
01:35:11,036 --> 01:35:13,970
He even sell you out.
He's a sell-out, man.
1603
01:35:13,972 --> 01:35:15,738
Fucking Judas, man.
1604
01:35:15,839 --> 01:35:17,206
Bye, Judas.
1605
01:35:17,208 --> 01:35:18,674
Trying to sabotage much work.
1606
01:35:18,676 --> 01:35:20,108
We put in and nigga can't
even act like
1607
01:35:20,110 --> 01:35:23,177
he don't want to play and this...
Gonna sabotage shit?
1608
01:35:23,179 --> 01:35:23,777
That's what I told him.
1609
01:35:23,779 --> 01:35:26,045
I can see if you say, "You
don't wanna play? Don't play."
1610
01:35:26,047 --> 01:35:28,247
Shouldn't come on stage
like no pussy.
1611
01:35:28,249 --> 01:35:30,415
People there spending money
and wanna see some energy
1612
01:35:30,417 --> 01:35:33,050
and have a good time. Trying
to fuckin' overcompensate
1613
01:35:33,052 --> 01:35:34,918
by shaking people's
hands and shit like,
1614
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:36,085
"Oh, I'm into it, yeah."
1615
01:35:36,087 --> 01:35:38,253
Shit is no joke, man,
when it comes to this shit.
1616
01:35:38,255 --> 01:35:41,155
I take this shit serious,
30 years, my whole life.
1617
01:35:41,157 --> 01:35:42,523
You know what I'm sayin'?
My whole life.
1618
01:35:42,525 --> 01:35:44,658
You looking at
a motherfucker 47 years old.
1619
01:35:44,660 --> 01:35:47,661
I've been doing this shit
since I was fucking 17, 18,
1620
01:35:47,663 --> 01:35:49,629
I couldn't even sign
a fucking contract
1621
01:35:49,631 --> 01:35:50,796
to play in a fucking band.
1622
01:35:50,798 --> 01:35:52,931
I don't want him puttin' me or none
of the others through this shit.
1623
01:35:52,933 --> 01:35:55,500
No, of course not. Fuck that
shit, we gonna make good music.
1624
01:35:55,502 --> 01:35:57,301
We gonna get Israel to come
back and blow shit up.
1625
01:35:57,303 --> 01:36:00,737
All them motherfuckers be leaving
here, tripped the fuck out.
1626
01:36:10,848 --> 01:36:12,148
Judas.
1627
01:36:40,343 --> 01:36:42,010
Sunfrost.
1628
01:36:42,711 --> 01:36:44,511
There's several.
You want potting soil.
1629
01:36:44,513 --> 01:36:46,779
There's a lot of
different varieties.
1630
01:36:46,781 --> 01:36:48,514
They range from
1631
01:36:48,648 --> 01:36:52,017
2.99 to 5.99.
1632
01:36:56,022 --> 01:36:57,455
$43.09.
1633
01:36:57,457 --> 01:36:59,490
I used to always shop here.
1634
01:36:59,492 --> 01:37:01,625
'Cause this is the place to be.
1635
01:37:01,759 --> 01:37:02,792
As you can see.
1636
01:37:02,794 --> 01:37:04,460
When did I start working here?
1637
01:37:04,462 --> 01:37:08,797
Um, I'm guessing around
1990 or even...
1638
01:37:09,064 --> 01:37:10,431
Even '89.
1639
01:37:10,433 --> 01:37:13,133
There's Gary and I right there.
1640
01:37:14,735 --> 01:37:15,634
Dos amigos.
1641
01:37:15,636 --> 01:37:17,636
Gary is in the absolute center
1642
01:37:17,638 --> 01:37:19,671
of that picture next to me.
1643
01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:23,373
Right, I saw that.
1644
01:37:24,241 --> 01:37:26,775
Gary's been instrumental in
1645
01:37:26,777 --> 01:37:31,379
bringing the forefront
of the food consciousness
1646
01:37:31,381 --> 01:37:33,848
because of his own
knowledge and awareness.
1647
01:37:33,850 --> 01:37:39,954
Gary is such an important
part of our life, that...
1648
01:37:39,956 --> 01:37:41,922
He's the only person
that we can trust
1649
01:37:41,924 --> 01:37:45,191
with our business
and when we go away,
1650
01:37:45,325 --> 01:37:46,391
he's the man.
1651
01:37:46,393 --> 01:37:49,127
Since he's been gone,
back on tour,
1652
01:37:49,596 --> 01:37:50,596
we haven't had a vacation,
1653
01:37:50,598 --> 01:37:55,367
'cause we don't have that
trust with anyone but Gary.
1654
01:37:55,701 --> 01:37:58,736
No pun intended, but people
that are in the know
1655
01:37:58,738 --> 01:38:01,271
are beside themselves,
when they find out
1656
01:38:01,273 --> 01:38:03,573
or figure out or learn that
1657
01:38:03,575 --> 01:38:06,309
he's here and or who he is.
1658
01:38:08,945 --> 01:38:09,778
Cool thing about golf,
1659
01:38:09,780 --> 01:38:11,546
it teach you about
a lot of things.
1660
01:38:11,548 --> 01:38:13,347
Teach you about yourself.
1661
01:38:14,415 --> 01:38:16,916
No, bad swing.
1662
01:38:16,918 --> 01:38:18,517
Goin' in the pond.
1663
01:38:18,519 --> 01:38:19,251
See, I...
1664
01:38:19,253 --> 01:38:22,320
Look where I hit it,
almost out of bounds.
1665
01:38:23,088 --> 01:38:25,856
A guy the other day, like I
was at another golf course,
1666
01:38:25,858 --> 01:38:28,158
and his niece and them were
there and they were like,
1667
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,760
"Oh, that's Darryl from
the Bad Brains."
1668
01:38:30,961 --> 01:38:31,527
And uh,
1669
01:38:31,529 --> 01:38:34,096
they didn't want to ask
me, you know...
1670
01:38:34,098 --> 01:38:35,831
They think out here
on a golf course,
1671
01:38:35,833 --> 01:38:37,966
that you don't want
to be bothered.
1672
01:38:37,968 --> 01:38:38,733
It's no big deal, you know,
1673
01:38:38,735 --> 01:38:41,335
this is kind of confusing,
I'm confusing to begin with
1674
01:38:41,337 --> 01:38:42,336
to be the dread out here.
1675
01:38:42,338 --> 01:38:44,805
Then when you finally realize,
I'm on some rock shit,
1676
01:38:44,807 --> 01:38:49,676
they just probably say, "Man, that Darryl
Jenifer is all over the fucking place."
1677
01:38:50,277 --> 01:38:53,445
So look like I've missed this
one behind the green.
1678
01:38:53,979 --> 01:38:55,913
What I'm gonna do is,
1679
01:38:56,180 --> 01:38:58,681
try to use my short game skills.
1680
01:38:59,416 --> 01:39:02,217
See, if I can chip it
in down there.
1681
01:39:28,811 --> 01:39:30,945
Me and Doc would
try to like bring other people
1682
01:39:30,947 --> 01:39:33,213
into the picture,
but Bad Brains chemistry
1683
01:39:33,215 --> 01:39:33,947
is the original members.
1684
01:39:33,949 --> 01:39:37,183
The music that we made
with other cats is good, too.
1685
01:39:37,185 --> 01:39:38,784
You know, it's not that
that shit sucks,
1686
01:39:38,786 --> 01:39:40,452
it's that's it's...
It's not Bad Brains,
1687
01:39:40,454 --> 01:39:43,321
it should have been
called other things.
1688
01:39:44,323 --> 01:39:46,657
Bad Brains is
1689
01:39:47,158 --> 01:39:49,225
a group of dudes
from D.C., Maryland,
1690
01:39:49,227 --> 01:39:51,360
that were blessed
with the notion
1691
01:39:51,362 --> 01:39:54,830
to try to be different and
be inventive with their music
1692
01:39:54,832 --> 01:39:55,564
and actually went as far
1693
01:39:55,566 --> 01:39:59,000
as to put positive message
into the style of music
1694
01:39:59,568 --> 01:40:01,135
and also went on to
1695
01:40:01,137 --> 01:40:03,370
cleave and understand
other musics
1696
01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:04,904
that was positive like reggae
1697
01:40:04,906 --> 01:40:06,272
and also bring that to
the same stage
1698
01:40:06,274 --> 01:40:08,007
at the same time,
at the same night.
1699
01:40:08,009 --> 01:40:10,442
And the Bad Brains is
like what Bob Marley
1700
01:40:10,444 --> 01:40:11,142
was being prophetic about.
1701
01:40:11,144 --> 01:40:13,511
In one of his songs, he saidthe Punky Reggae Party.
1702
01:40:13,513 --> 01:40:15,045
It's a punky reggae party
1703
01:40:15,047 --> 01:40:17,714
and that's what
the Bad Brains is.
1704
01:40:20,616 --> 01:40:24,819
Oh, yes, we're excited about
all our developments.
1705
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:26,586
But as always,
1706
01:40:26,588 --> 01:40:30,756
what we like to encourage
people to remember,
1707
01:40:30,758 --> 01:40:32,591
is it's not what
1708
01:40:32,925 --> 01:40:34,625
a person can do
1709
01:40:34,627 --> 01:40:38,195
in violence but
it's what they can do
1710
01:40:39,697 --> 01:40:40,730
in love.
1711
01:40:54,244 --> 01:40:56,178
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