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Bad Brains! 9 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:40,500 No, I'm not the son of God. 10 00:00:40,502 --> 00:00:43,302 I'm not Lucifer, I'm not a demon, 11 00:00:43,304 --> 00:00:44,936 I'm not the devil. 12 00:01:03,853 --> 00:01:05,420 Thank you very much. 13 00:01:05,422 --> 00:01:08,089 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 14 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,061 You don't wanna do it? 15 00:01:14,796 --> 00:01:15,695 It's no good. 16 00:01:15,697 --> 00:01:17,596 I can't believe it. All these years. 17 00:01:17,598 --> 00:01:19,331 Finally get away from this shit. 18 00:01:19,333 --> 00:01:20,965 So, good luck with your life, man. 19 00:01:20,967 --> 00:01:22,232 Don't be calling my house and shit. 20 00:01:22,234 --> 00:01:23,933 talking about this and that and that and this, 21 00:01:23,935 --> 00:01:26,468 'cause I see you coming to sabotage shit. 22 00:01:26,470 --> 00:01:28,236 You're a sell-out, I'm telling you that. 23 00:01:28,238 --> 00:01:31,539 Now, I hope I never have to see your ass again. 24 00:01:53,094 --> 00:01:57,597 We're at the famous secret studio 25 00:01:57,599 --> 00:01:59,165 of the Brains. 26 00:01:59,167 --> 00:02:04,270 My friends ask me if I be into exotic dancing or film-making, 27 00:02:04,272 --> 00:02:06,672 well, I'm a little shy about that. 28 00:02:06,674 --> 00:02:07,639 But I love all people. 29 00:02:07,641 --> 00:02:10,708 I think the time has come for black and white 30 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:12,409 to truly unite. 31 00:02:47,842 --> 00:02:49,475 Hold on. Hold on. 32 00:02:49,477 --> 00:02:50,709 Okay, let's try it again. 33 00:02:50,711 --> 00:02:54,713 If I'm an expert at anything, it's lining up those songs. 34 00:02:54,715 --> 00:02:57,615 For many concerts, many years, I've done that. 35 00:02:57,617 --> 00:02:58,916 And in many records. 36 00:02:58,918 --> 00:03:00,517 I've just had an idea about... 37 00:03:00,519 --> 00:03:02,485 I know how that shit should drop, man. 38 00:03:02,487 --> 00:03:04,286 Should drop that shit like this... 39 00:03:05,389 --> 00:03:07,155 Right now, it's a little sporadic, you know. 40 00:03:07,157 --> 00:03:10,858 Well, we're getting ready to build a new empire, baby. 41 00:03:10,860 --> 00:03:13,060 We're gonna take those sweet, 42 00:03:13,628 --> 00:03:17,664 young children, teach them a better way. 43 00:03:17,666 --> 00:03:19,065 Starting right now. 44 00:04:35,707 --> 00:04:38,308 I'm standing in front of the White House. 45 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:41,678 Where every president, since George Washington, 46 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,347 has lived and worked. 47 00:04:56,359 --> 00:05:00,628 I played the bass originally in a band called Stress. 48 00:05:00,630 --> 00:05:04,398 We used to do funk covers basically. 49 00:05:04,999 --> 00:05:06,966 Earth, Wind and Fire. 50 00:05:09,002 --> 00:05:11,069 Parliament-Funkadelic. 51 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:14,538 Me and Gary went to junior high school together 52 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:18,675 and I introduced Gary to my brother. 53 00:05:19,376 --> 00:05:22,745 I remember meeting Gary at a concert. 54 00:05:22,747 --> 00:05:25,514 He asked me, could he play my guitar? 55 00:05:25,516 --> 00:05:26,648 I said, well, sure. 56 00:05:26,650 --> 00:05:31,052 Ad he starts playing all these cool jazz riffs 57 00:05:31,054 --> 00:05:33,087 and classical rhythm-and-blues lines. 58 00:05:33,089 --> 00:05:36,390 You know, H said, "Yo, man, I'm gonna play music with you. 59 00:05:36,392 --> 00:05:37,357 "I'll be in a band with you." 60 00:05:37,359 --> 00:05:38,624 He kinda wanted more of a challenge. 61 00:05:38,626 --> 00:05:40,792 So I said, let me pick up the guitar. 62 00:05:40,794 --> 00:05:42,260 H started playing the bass. 63 00:05:42,262 --> 00:05:44,695 We used to sit down and practice and practice. 64 00:05:44,697 --> 00:05:46,496 HR and I sit down there 65 00:05:46,498 --> 00:05:48,397 fingers be bleeding. 66 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,299 But now, Darryl was younger than all of us. 67 00:05:51,301 --> 00:05:54,068 I was in this band called The Young Explorers. 68 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:56,904 We used to play covers of like Earth, Wind and Fire 69 00:05:56,906 --> 00:05:57,871 and all that kind of stuff. 70 00:05:57,873 --> 00:06:03,343 We then assured Darryl that he wasn't breaking the law. 71 00:06:03,345 --> 00:06:06,913 It wasn't illegal to be a musician. 72 00:06:06,915 --> 00:06:09,649 And Darryl started playing bass. 73 00:06:09,651 --> 00:06:11,817 HR started to sing. 74 00:06:12,852 --> 00:06:15,720 Tried to play like what we were listening to, you know. 75 00:06:15,722 --> 00:06:18,956 Return to Forever, all this jazz fusion stuff. 76 00:06:18,958 --> 00:06:20,557 Chick Corea. 77 00:06:20,559 --> 00:06:21,758 Stanley Clarke. 78 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,594 George Duke and all those cats. 79 00:06:30,267 --> 00:06:32,968 I actually wrote Stanley Clarke letters and shit. 80 00:06:32,970 --> 00:06:34,869 Like fan-club shit. 81 00:06:36,338 --> 00:06:38,305 My biggest influence was Lenny White. 82 00:06:38,307 --> 00:06:41,641 I'd seen him live before and he just tripped me out, man. 83 00:06:41,643 --> 00:06:45,077 Looked like it was a motion picture in action. 84 00:07:00,359 --> 00:07:00,991 I saw a PBS special 85 00:07:00,993 --> 00:07:03,860 and they were highlighting the New Wave out of London. 86 00:07:03,862 --> 00:07:04,760 I think the first band I saw 87 00:07:04,762 --> 00:07:06,762 was the Sex Pistols and The Damned. 88 00:07:06,764 --> 00:07:08,663 That was the shit. That was the new thing for me. 89 00:07:08,665 --> 00:07:09,864 I went and bought all their albums. 90 00:07:09,866 --> 00:07:12,733 And I took 'em to Darryl with the same enthusiasm, 91 00:07:12,735 --> 00:07:14,801 "Man, you got to hear this stuff, man. 92 00:07:14,803 --> 00:07:16,869 "You know, It's gonna drive you crazy, man, 93 00:07:16,871 --> 00:07:17,903 "but you're gonna love it." 94 00:07:17,905 --> 00:07:21,706 Sid hipped us to this band called the Dead Boys. 95 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:35,619 We heard the Dead Boys, 96 00:07:35,621 --> 00:07:40,023 I was like, yeah, that's what we wanna try and start doing, you know. 97 00:07:41,859 --> 00:07:43,759 We were called Mind Power. 98 00:07:43,761 --> 00:07:46,728 And then I found this Ramones song. 99 00:07:50,332 --> 00:07:52,900 Bad Brains was like Mind Power, 100 00:07:52,902 --> 00:07:54,101 it was the same thing. 101 00:07:54,103 --> 00:07:55,869 But Bad Brains reminded me of like your brain 102 00:07:55,871 --> 00:07:58,905 being up in the refrigerator, like rotting and some shit. 103 00:07:58,907 --> 00:08:00,573 So, to switch over from punk Mind Power 104 00:08:00,575 --> 00:08:03,876 to Bad Brain, and go to... That's what I thought was cool. 105 00:08:07,546 --> 00:08:09,947 It was the summer of 1979, 106 00:08:09,949 --> 00:08:14,084 word was that there was and all-black, punk-rock band 107 00:08:14,086 --> 00:08:15,752 in Washington, D.C. 108 00:08:15,754 --> 00:08:17,553 Never seen one of those before 109 00:08:17,555 --> 00:08:20,923 and they're local, we gotta check that out. 110 00:08:22,425 --> 00:08:27,462 We were walking down to the Bayou to see the band. 111 00:08:29,231 --> 00:08:32,166 And here comes this opening band, the Bad Brains. 112 00:08:32,168 --> 00:08:33,500 We all went up to the front 113 00:08:33,502 --> 00:08:36,169 and had our minds completely blown. 114 00:08:49,681 --> 00:08:52,582 We walked out of there going, "Damned, great. 115 00:08:52,584 --> 00:08:54,016 "But the Bad Brains..." 116 00:08:54,018 --> 00:08:56,618 D.C. had a "punk-rock scene." 117 00:08:56,620 --> 00:08:58,886 That was a very, very small group of people. 118 00:08:58,888 --> 00:09:01,021 But they congregated around this one club 119 00:09:01,023 --> 00:09:05,091 in Adams Morgan, section of D.C., called Madam's Organ. 120 00:09:05,892 --> 00:09:06,658 At Madam's Organ, 121 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:08,793 I remember standing in front of Bad Brains one night 122 00:09:08,795 --> 00:09:12,163 with HR so close, I could smell his breath. 123 00:09:15,401 --> 00:09:18,769 And I said, "I sure hope that guy doesn't land on me." 124 00:09:18,771 --> 00:09:23,206 Wham, I'm on my back, with HR pinning me to the ground 125 00:09:23,208 --> 00:09:25,174 singing on me. 126 00:09:25,176 --> 00:09:28,243 I was like... "Whoa!" 127 00:09:31,247 --> 00:09:33,748 And that was kind of, uh, 128 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:38,219 the, uh, kind of, the start of my life. 129 00:09:47,362 --> 00:09:49,496 Oh, we going by R Street, hold up. 130 00:09:49,498 --> 00:09:54,234 This where I used to live when the Bad Brains started. 131 00:09:54,368 --> 00:09:57,370 Right there, that's where the Bad Brains started. 132 00:09:57,372 --> 00:09:59,638 - This is R Street. - What day was it? 133 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,039 R Street. 134 00:10:01,041 --> 00:10:02,173 Where punk rock started. 135 00:10:02,175 --> 00:10:04,842 We was gonna play faster and more technical 136 00:10:04,844 --> 00:10:05,742 than the Ramones 137 00:10:05,744 --> 00:10:09,812 and be more chaotic than The Damned. 138 00:10:11,381 --> 00:10:12,814 You go up Addison Road, 139 00:10:12,816 --> 00:10:14,882 you see the notorious Al Tolson... 140 00:10:14,884 --> 00:10:17,150 And this where the rehearsals started. 141 00:10:17,152 --> 00:10:20,453 This is where the music started formulating. 142 00:10:30,997 --> 00:10:33,665 The glue that hooked us all up 143 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:34,832 was our friend, Alvarez. 144 00:10:34,834 --> 00:10:38,202 We could go over there on Tuesdays 145 00:10:38,204 --> 00:10:39,336 and Thursdays, in the evening, 146 00:10:39,338 --> 00:10:41,671 for three or four hours, and jam. 147 00:10:41,673 --> 00:10:44,007 Because his mother would go and play bingo. 148 00:10:44,009 --> 00:10:47,410 We used to own some Fred Sanford up in this motherfucker. 149 00:10:47,412 --> 00:10:50,346 I'm sorry to see the spot like this, man. 150 00:10:50,348 --> 00:10:52,114 I know, man, gosh. 151 00:10:52,116 --> 00:10:53,181 Look. What the fuck? 152 00:10:53,183 --> 00:10:56,083 The fire department ripped the whole house. 153 00:10:56,085 --> 00:10:57,818 Looks like the whole place has been 154 00:10:57,820 --> 00:10:59,052 torn apart. Ripped. 155 00:10:59,054 --> 00:11:00,086 Two-alarm fire... 156 00:11:00,088 --> 00:11:03,089 Came and kicked everything. Look, I have nothing. 157 00:11:03,091 --> 00:11:04,857 My clothes, everything is gone. 158 00:11:04,859 --> 00:11:08,460 We all used to jam down in this basement right here. 159 00:11:08,462 --> 00:11:11,663 Yeah, this is where we used to do it at, right here. 160 00:11:11,665 --> 00:11:13,331 This was the beginning. 161 00:11:13,333 --> 00:11:15,433 Darryl used to play his drums right here. 162 00:11:15,435 --> 00:11:17,968 Bass, drums. Right in here. 163 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:19,970 You wanna see your tape recorder? Yeah. 164 00:11:19,972 --> 00:11:23,440 This the tape recorder when we used to record 165 00:11:23,541 --> 00:11:25,542 all the Bad Brains music on. 166 00:11:25,544 --> 00:11:28,111 - That's it? - Mmm-hmm. 167 00:11:52,067 --> 00:11:54,101 - Yeah, that's pretty. - I've never seen that. 168 00:11:54,103 --> 00:11:56,937 With all that, like, all that shit written on it. 169 00:11:56,939 --> 00:11:57,904 Yeah, so I've had that for years. 170 00:11:57,906 --> 00:11:59,672 That's what I'm saying, that was over ten years, probably. 171 00:11:59,674 --> 00:12:03,142 You wouldn't mind signing that, would you? Not at all. 172 00:12:11,651 --> 00:12:13,218 What's up, kid? 173 00:12:13,452 --> 00:12:16,420 Come in here and tell them how we used to do 174 00:12:16,921 --> 00:12:17,954 back in the day. Do you like the store? 175 00:12:17,956 --> 00:12:19,855 You like the way the store looks? This store is beautiful. 176 00:12:19,857 --> 00:12:22,324 Did you meet everybody? I met all these nice guys. 177 00:12:22,326 --> 00:12:25,360 We were talking about punk-rock days. 178 00:12:25,561 --> 00:12:27,395 This band is insane. 179 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:28,662 This band is insane. 180 00:12:28,664 --> 00:12:32,432 No, the band's not insane. The lead singer is insane. 181 00:12:32,434 --> 00:12:34,200 ♪ Not as much but with such intensity 182 00:12:34,202 --> 00:12:36,702 ♪ I'd like to be what they would not want me to be 183 00:12:36,704 --> 00:12:39,638 ♪ I like to cram their chivalry inside of their guts 184 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,172 ♪ I'd like to leave it all behind 185 00:12:41,174 --> 00:12:43,073 ♪ With the rest of the nuts ♪ 186 00:12:47,344 --> 00:12:50,913 One of the most incredible things about Bad Brains, 187 00:12:50,915 --> 00:12:52,180 which I'd never seen before, 188 00:12:52,182 --> 00:12:55,316 was the fact that, from the first measure, 189 00:12:55,318 --> 00:12:58,619 of the first song, HR's in the audience. 190 00:13:01,856 --> 00:13:03,423 HR is singing to people. 191 00:13:03,425 --> 00:13:05,191 HR is pulling people on stage. 192 00:13:05,193 --> 00:13:08,928 The audience became as much a part of the show 193 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:10,562 as the band. 194 00:13:22,507 --> 00:13:25,442 As far as what a frontman should do, 195 00:13:25,444 --> 00:13:29,512 and how a frontman should be, physically, 196 00:13:29,514 --> 00:13:30,913 as far as blowing your mind 197 00:13:30,915 --> 00:13:32,748 and making you wanna buy the T-shirt. 198 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:35,450 Or, like, if that guy led a charge, 199 00:13:35,452 --> 00:13:37,185 you'd go invade Gaul. 200 00:13:37,187 --> 00:13:40,621 HR and Iggy Pop, to me, are the two most charismatic, 201 00:13:40,623 --> 00:13:44,691 "I-wanna-be-that-dude" frontmen I've ever seen. 202 00:13:46,061 --> 00:13:48,928 Yeah, I was a very shy child. 203 00:13:48,930 --> 00:13:51,196 It took everything in their power 204 00:13:51,198 --> 00:13:53,398 to get me to come on, on that stage. 205 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:59,203 But then, once I did, I'd do my best to vocalize. 206 00:14:09,547 --> 00:14:13,449 I can remember being just a little bit jealous 207 00:14:13,451 --> 00:14:14,650 because everybody was like, 208 00:14:14,652 --> 00:14:16,551 "Oh, my God, you have to see this frontman." 209 00:14:16,553 --> 00:14:18,786 "He's the greatest thing you've ever seen," you know. 210 00:14:18,788 --> 00:14:20,220 "He's the wildest guy in the world." 211 00:14:20,222 --> 00:14:22,755 "He does backflips off the stage." 212 00:14:46,012 --> 00:14:51,116 I got into a conversation with my dad one day 213 00:14:51,183 --> 00:14:51,749 and he said, 214 00:14:51,751 --> 00:14:54,718 "You know what, I think I'm gonna share something with you. 215 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,252 "Why don't you go read a book," 216 00:14:56,254 --> 00:14:58,020 and he gives me this book, and I see it 217 00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:00,555 and it says, Think and Grow Rich. 218 00:15:00,989 --> 00:15:02,789 And it made sense, you know, 219 00:15:02,791 --> 00:15:06,259 to stay positive, not to worry. 220 00:15:06,261 --> 00:15:09,895 It would show how 221 00:15:09,996 --> 00:15:11,963 people who 222 00:15:12,097 --> 00:15:17,367 refrain from living violently would get a good response. 223 00:15:17,369 --> 00:15:19,736 Bad Brains were running this PMA thing, 224 00:15:19,738 --> 00:15:22,472 and their whole thing was that music should mean something, 225 00:15:22,474 --> 00:15:24,307 but it should also have a message 226 00:15:24,309 --> 00:15:27,109 to the audience, which pushes the audience 227 00:15:27,111 --> 00:15:28,944 as part of the thing. 228 00:15:34,916 --> 00:15:37,083 And that had an enormous effect on us. 229 00:15:37,085 --> 00:15:38,284 Have a positive mental attitude, 230 00:15:38,286 --> 00:15:40,219 go out there and do what you have to do 231 00:15:40,221 --> 00:15:42,521 and make it work. And if you do it, 232 00:15:42,523 --> 00:15:43,021 it will work. 233 00:15:43,023 --> 00:15:45,490 The punk music in England was informative 234 00:15:45,492 --> 00:15:48,092 but it was more like, you know, fuck this, fuck that. 235 00:15:48,094 --> 00:15:51,695 We wanted to try to give an alternative 236 00:15:51,697 --> 00:15:53,129 and unify the people 237 00:15:53,131 --> 00:15:56,532 and, yes, we can make a change if we're unified, 238 00:15:56,534 --> 00:15:58,333 as opposed to just saying, you know, 239 00:15:58,335 --> 00:16:00,468 "This is screwed up and that's screwed up. 240 00:16:00,470 --> 00:16:01,769 "And that's just the way it is." 241 00:16:01,771 --> 00:16:04,805 I think that was the difference, initially, 242 00:16:04,807 --> 00:16:06,072 in our message, 243 00:16:06,074 --> 00:16:08,607 and you know, just being positive, 244 00:16:08,609 --> 00:16:09,841 as opposed to destructing. 245 00:16:09,843 --> 00:16:13,444 Everywhere else, punk rock was like connected to nihilism, 246 00:16:13,446 --> 00:16:15,212 like, set to destruction. 247 00:16:15,214 --> 00:16:17,714 And actually, we heard PMA sort of saying like, 248 00:16:17,716 --> 00:16:20,983 like, "We're making something, we're building something." 249 00:16:38,835 --> 00:16:41,570 We just gonna burn out our batteries doing this shit. 250 00:16:41,572 --> 00:16:44,639 Getting all ready. Cameras. 251 00:16:45,908 --> 00:16:49,042 Okay, that's enough there, man. Come on, man. 252 00:16:54,214 --> 00:16:55,314 What's happening? What's happening? 253 00:16:55,316 --> 00:16:57,449 What's happening? What's happening? 254 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:02,220 Yes. 255 00:17:02,454 --> 00:17:04,154 Buffy Sainte-Marie. 256 00:17:04,488 --> 00:17:06,155 Buffy Sainte-Marie. 257 00:17:08,424 --> 00:17:12,427 Countey, he's like a hippy almost. 258 00:17:12,429 --> 00:17:13,594 He still has a sweet, 259 00:17:13,596 --> 00:17:16,063 hippy type of approach to this. 260 00:17:51,065 --> 00:17:51,898 Hi there, everybody. 261 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:53,332 This is HR, Human Rights for Brains. 262 00:17:53,334 --> 00:17:56,301 We're here now in the beautiful city of Portland. 263 00:17:56,303 --> 00:18:00,571 Been waiting to see them since I was this big. Wow. 264 00:18:00,573 --> 00:18:02,639 My first hardcore album. 265 00:18:03,974 --> 00:18:07,443 ♪ So I'm sailing, oh, I'm sailing on 266 00:18:07,445 --> 00:18:09,978 ♪ I'm moving, I'm moving on 267 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:13,848 ♪ Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on 268 00:18:17,886 --> 00:18:19,119 ♪ Sailing on 269 00:18:19,121 --> 00:18:20,420 ♪ I'm moving on 270 00:18:20,422 --> 00:18:21,220 ♪ I'm moving on 271 00:18:21,222 --> 00:18:25,424 ♪ Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on ♪ 272 00:18:56,788 --> 00:18:59,456 ♪ Redbone in the city ♪ 273 00:19:00,191 --> 00:19:01,558 By August 1979, 274 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,359 the band had recorded the demo session 275 00:19:03,361 --> 00:19:05,728 that became the Black Dots album. 276 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:06,795 For us, it was just this cassette. 277 00:19:06,797 --> 00:19:09,197 That cassette was our first recording. 278 00:19:09,199 --> 00:19:09,964 In the guy's house. 279 00:19:09,966 --> 00:19:12,900 One of the bedrooms was where all the equipment was. 280 00:19:12,902 --> 00:19:14,968 I think Earl did the drums in the basement. 281 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:17,937 Put my amplifier in the bathroom 282 00:19:17,939 --> 00:19:20,372 and Darryl's amplifier in the other bedroom. 283 00:19:20,374 --> 00:19:22,841 Then you heard me say, "Can you hold it for a second?" 284 00:19:22,843 --> 00:19:24,609 "Can you hold it for a second?" 285 00:19:24,611 --> 00:19:27,378 'Cause I was doing an overdub in the basement. 286 00:19:27,380 --> 00:19:28,612 So, I had to yell upstairs, 287 00:19:28,614 --> 00:19:30,914 "Hold up, I'm not ready, I've gotta tune." 288 00:19:30,916 --> 00:19:33,283 ♪ Redbone in the city 289 00:19:34,351 --> 00:19:36,318 ♪ Redbone in the city ♪ 290 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,452 HR did the vocals outside. 291 00:19:37,454 --> 00:19:39,487 He had some kind of shrubbery or something. 292 00:19:39,489 --> 00:19:40,654 That's why you're hearing the crickets, 293 00:19:40,656 --> 00:19:43,857 'cause he was singing by the shrubbery. 294 00:19:45,492 --> 00:19:47,759 ♪ Redbone in the city ♪ 295 00:19:47,761 --> 00:19:50,228 The record was never a record in those days, 296 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:52,196 it was just a cassette. 297 00:19:52,198 --> 00:19:53,997 Had the Bad Brains pressed up 298 00:19:53,999 --> 00:19:56,165 a thousand LP of that tape, 299 00:19:56,167 --> 00:20:00,903 that single album would have been a determinant record 300 00:20:00,905 --> 00:20:04,039 in what's known as American hardcore music 301 00:20:04,041 --> 00:20:05,373 and American independent music. 302 00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:07,641 And it wouldn't have taken until the new century 303 00:20:07,643 --> 00:20:10,710 for a documentary on that band to come out. 304 00:20:10,712 --> 00:20:12,912 Now, you started out in D.C. 305 00:20:12,914 --> 00:20:14,480 And you were there for several years 306 00:20:14,482 --> 00:20:16,181 before you made the move to New York. 307 00:20:16,183 --> 00:20:18,082 And what made you move? 308 00:20:18,183 --> 00:20:20,484 D.C.'s for politicians 309 00:20:20,486 --> 00:20:22,152 and restaurant owners. 310 00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,187 Really. Um... 311 00:20:25,022 --> 00:20:27,289 We played enough there, you know. 312 00:20:27,291 --> 00:20:28,457 We played a lot in Washington. 313 00:20:28,459 --> 00:20:29,458 We had a hard time playing down there. 314 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:32,527 We mostly played like basement parties and stuff like that. 315 00:20:32,529 --> 00:20:34,295 They actually banned us. Yeah. 316 00:20:34,297 --> 00:20:35,729 There was only three clubs at the time 317 00:20:35,731 --> 00:20:37,163 and each club owner knew each other 318 00:20:37,165 --> 00:20:38,164 and we played in one club and it's like, 319 00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:40,633 "Oh, you guys entice riots and you make people jump up..." 320 00:20:40,635 --> 00:20:41,700 And those days, it was pogoing, 321 00:20:41,702 --> 00:20:45,036 instead of slamming, creepy crawling, whatever. 322 00:20:45,038 --> 00:20:46,404 One calls the next one 323 00:20:46,406 --> 00:20:49,306 and it's like, "Sorry guys, you can't play anymore." 324 00:20:49,308 --> 00:20:51,941 So, we said, "All right, we'll go to New York." 325 00:21:20,937 --> 00:21:23,872 I remember seeing the Bad Brains 326 00:21:23,874 --> 00:21:27,542 not having a clue what they were doing. 327 00:21:27,544 --> 00:21:30,044 I mean, there was jumping around. 328 00:21:30,046 --> 00:21:32,413 So, we're watching it, we were digging it. 329 00:21:32,415 --> 00:21:35,783 But we just had never seen anything like it. 330 00:21:35,785 --> 00:21:37,584 They were light-years ahead 331 00:21:37,586 --> 00:21:40,720 of anybody playing on the local scene. 332 00:21:40,722 --> 00:21:42,521 They were skilled, 333 00:21:42,523 --> 00:21:43,955 they were original, 334 00:21:43,957 --> 00:21:46,791 they were monster musicians. 335 00:21:50,729 --> 00:21:52,930 Anybody who would see them would obviously say, 336 00:21:52,932 --> 00:21:55,966 "Well, this band is better than any other band 337 00:21:55,968 --> 00:21:57,434 "we've ever seen." 338 00:22:02,573 --> 00:22:03,706 In those early shows, 339 00:22:03,708 --> 00:22:05,607 you know, it'd be like a club the size of this room 340 00:22:05,609 --> 00:22:08,242 with like ten people in the audience. Not even. 341 00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:09,843 Not even the size of this room. 342 00:22:09,845 --> 00:22:11,110 It was like a couple of shows 343 00:22:11,112 --> 00:22:14,213 you started to realize how incredible they were. 344 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,882 We had to go play the great CBGB's. 345 00:22:18,316 --> 00:22:20,050 I remember getting off the Holland Tunnel 346 00:22:20,052 --> 00:22:21,251 and coming up Canal Street 347 00:22:21,253 --> 00:22:24,621 and turning on the Bowery and, oh, there it is. 348 00:22:43,674 --> 00:22:45,875 We kept coming back and playing CB's. 349 00:22:45,877 --> 00:22:47,176 So, we'd come once a month. 350 00:22:47,178 --> 00:22:50,579 He said, "Okay, I'm gonna give you guys Friday night." 351 00:22:50,581 --> 00:22:54,616 So, Friday night at CB's. It don't get no bigger than that. 352 00:23:02,024 --> 00:23:04,425 They went over to England to play with The Damned. 353 00:23:04,427 --> 00:23:06,960 The Damned said, "Come on over, we'll take you on tour." 354 00:23:06,962 --> 00:23:09,462 They got their offer within months 355 00:23:09,464 --> 00:23:10,996 of their first couple shows in New York. 356 00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:12,764 You know, so, things were happening quick. 357 00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:16,234 So, we sold all our equipment, except for our guitars, 358 00:23:16,236 --> 00:23:18,202 and got the money to get the tickets 359 00:23:18,204 --> 00:23:20,804 to go to London. 360 00:23:24,975 --> 00:23:26,275 Little did we know 361 00:23:26,277 --> 00:23:28,310 there was a small, minor detail 362 00:23:28,312 --> 00:23:30,478 called working papers. 363 00:23:33,448 --> 00:23:34,781 Captain says we'll stand there 364 00:23:34,783 --> 00:23:37,717 with a couple thousand, you know, pounds and saying, 365 00:23:37,719 --> 00:23:38,751 "They don't have any money? Fine. 366 00:23:38,753 --> 00:23:40,819 "Here's money. They're coming on tour with us. 367 00:23:40,821 --> 00:23:42,587 "Here's the money. They have money. 368 00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:43,454 "They can come into the country. 369 00:23:43,456 --> 00:23:44,688 "As soon as you let them in the country, 370 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:45,955 "they have money, that's not an issue. 371 00:23:45,957 --> 00:23:48,090 "They're not vagrants they can come in here." 372 00:23:48,092 --> 00:23:49,958 They got all these spray-painted suits 373 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,727 and they're trying to pass themselves off as tourists. 374 00:23:52,729 --> 00:23:54,261 The local constabulary at the time 375 00:23:54,263 --> 00:23:55,662 didn't like the way they looked. 376 00:23:55,664 --> 00:23:59,699 We were all sitting in some room in the airport 377 00:23:59,701 --> 00:24:01,467 waiting for the next flight out. 378 00:24:01,469 --> 00:24:02,634 They took our passports. 379 00:24:02,636 --> 00:24:05,103 We caught the flight to England, 380 00:24:05,105 --> 00:24:07,338 caught the next flight back. 381 00:24:08,139 --> 00:24:09,072 Come to find out, 382 00:24:09,074 --> 00:24:11,374 our guitars had gotten stolen in JFK. 383 00:24:11,376 --> 00:24:13,976 They never even got on the plane. 384 00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:17,812 So, we had literally nothing. 385 00:24:17,814 --> 00:24:18,979 We got back to New York, 386 00:24:18,981 --> 00:24:20,480 we actually had to panhandle 387 00:24:20,482 --> 00:24:24,050 to get the money to catch a train to get back. 388 00:24:24,651 --> 00:24:27,052 Back in New York, they had no money, 389 00:24:27,054 --> 00:24:28,486 lived on corn chips and beer, 390 00:24:28,488 --> 00:24:29,787 and played on borrowed equipment. 391 00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:31,822 No fun. But bass player, Darryl, 392 00:24:31,824 --> 00:24:33,757 just became more determined than ever. 393 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,059 It got hard. It got hard for me. 394 00:24:36,061 --> 00:24:38,528 You know, I didn't... You know, after all that. 395 00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:39,729 But I had to still be strong 396 00:24:39,731 --> 00:24:41,597 and say, "Well, this is what I'm all about. 397 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,265 "'Cause this is what I wanna do. 398 00:24:43,267 --> 00:24:45,333 "And that's what I'm gonna do, no matter what." 399 00:24:45,335 --> 00:24:46,801 We all lived off five dollars a day 400 00:24:46,803 --> 00:24:48,869 for, I don't know, six months, 401 00:24:48,871 --> 00:24:52,005 and we had to use the old brain there, 402 00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,807 'cause we were hanging out in Washington Square Park 403 00:24:54,809 --> 00:24:55,574 and that was the days 404 00:24:55,576 --> 00:24:58,777 when they used to sell loose joints for a buck. 405 00:24:58,878 --> 00:25:00,278 We just like, "Hmm... 406 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,748 "We'd better get us five dollars here and go buy us a bag 407 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:05,483 "and let's roll up some joints." 408 00:25:05,485 --> 00:25:07,585 Then we would take that, 409 00:25:07,719 --> 00:25:09,753 turn that into 410 00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:11,955 $15. 411 00:25:11,957 --> 00:25:13,056 Because we lived on the East Side, 412 00:25:13,058 --> 00:25:17,727 we started selling the joints in Tompkins Square Park. 413 00:25:17,729 --> 00:25:19,628 Had to get $15 out of that $5, 414 00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:20,996 since we had to go buy the next bag 415 00:25:20,998 --> 00:25:23,631 and then we had to have $5 to buy food. 416 00:25:30,004 --> 00:25:34,340 It was cool going up to New York and struggling, you know. 417 00:25:34,342 --> 00:25:36,675 It became quite an adventure. 418 00:25:36,677 --> 00:25:38,843 It wasn't easy at all. 419 00:25:39,211 --> 00:25:40,678 But we set forth to do that 420 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,446 and that's what we did, you know. 421 00:25:42,448 --> 00:25:45,215 And then we actually went back to Washington 422 00:25:45,217 --> 00:25:46,983 and lived for a while. 423 00:26:00,764 --> 00:26:03,031 I was a restaurant owner 424 00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:06,300 that had a lot of celebrity patrons. 425 00:26:13,641 --> 00:26:16,976 I had a waiter named Pierre, who was a communist, 426 00:26:16,978 --> 00:26:19,178 self-confessed communist, 427 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:22,347 that said that he was doing a film 428 00:26:22,349 --> 00:26:23,915 with he and his buddies, 429 00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:28,252 would I be interested in helping finance it? 430 00:26:29,787 --> 00:26:32,855 And I watched it, it was this awful film. 431 00:26:32,857 --> 00:26:35,090 I was, you know, getting a headache, 432 00:26:35,092 --> 00:26:37,325 but they had filmed the Bad Brains 433 00:26:37,327 --> 00:26:39,460 at Max's Kansas City. 434 00:26:40,528 --> 00:26:42,128 ♪ Don't need no ivory liquid 435 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:43,729 ♪ Don't want no afro sheen 436 00:26:43,731 --> 00:26:45,530 ♪ Don't need the latest fashions 437 00:26:45,532 --> 00:26:47,431 ♪ Don't want my hair to smell bad 438 00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:49,166 ♪ I've got my automotion 439 00:26:49,168 --> 00:26:50,534 ♪ I've got that superpotion 440 00:26:50,536 --> 00:26:52,435 ♪ And if you think I'm going crazy 441 00:26:52,437 --> 00:26:54,937 ♪ Then pretty baby it might be true babe ♪ 442 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,107 The hair on the back of my neck sort of went... 443 00:26:59,109 --> 00:27:01,476 'Cause they were so electrifying. 444 00:27:05,547 --> 00:27:08,415 He invited us to dinner, you know. 445 00:27:08,417 --> 00:27:09,682 We had no money in those times. 446 00:27:09,684 --> 00:27:12,518 It was like, wow, here we are, punk rocked out 447 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,853 in this five-star restaurant. 448 00:27:16,355 --> 00:27:20,157 And he said, "Hey, I'd like to help you guys out." 449 00:27:21,792 --> 00:27:24,727 HR called me Mr. Sussman. 450 00:27:24,729 --> 00:27:28,897 Polite, very short hair, no dreads. 451 00:27:28,899 --> 00:27:31,232 I was a, you know, Frank Sinatra kinda guy, 452 00:27:31,234 --> 00:27:32,967 but I dug what they were doing. 453 00:27:32,969 --> 00:27:37,604 I didn't know anything about being the manager of a band. 454 00:27:41,742 --> 00:27:45,077 They had basically nothing, no van. 455 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,479 They had no equipment. 456 00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:51,749 So, a friend of mine owned a music store. 457 00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,383 He took us up to Chuck Levin's. 458 00:27:53,385 --> 00:27:55,418 All the salesmen came out, you know. 459 00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:56,886 The guitar guy, the drum guy. 460 00:27:56,888 --> 00:27:59,154 But HR, they wanted to get him a mike. 461 00:27:59,156 --> 00:28:01,723 He was a little disappointed at the time. 462 00:28:01,725 --> 00:28:02,924 He didn't get shit, yeah. 463 00:28:02,926 --> 00:28:05,559 So, he went back, way back in the back, 464 00:28:05,561 --> 00:28:06,026 of Chuck Levin's 465 00:28:06,028 --> 00:28:09,396 and got this red, hollow-body, B.B. King-looking guitar. 466 00:28:09,398 --> 00:28:13,133 I got them all new equipment. 467 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,734 Got them a brand new van. 468 00:28:15,736 --> 00:28:19,070 I obligated myself to $25,000 469 00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:21,806 which I spent relatively quickly. 470 00:28:33,251 --> 00:28:36,853 Maybe the second or third time we played CB's, 471 00:28:36,855 --> 00:28:38,588 my equipment got stolen. 472 00:28:39,222 --> 00:28:42,457 'Cause we're a bunch of idiots and left the equipment 473 00:28:42,459 --> 00:28:45,793 in the van, sitting on 12th Street. 474 00:28:46,461 --> 00:28:49,162 One night when it was really cold, 475 00:28:49,164 --> 00:28:49,962 Bad Brains played a show 476 00:28:49,964 --> 00:28:52,898 and flopped at Nick's house, like they always did. 477 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:54,566 And I felt sorry for the roadie guy 478 00:28:54,568 --> 00:28:55,867 who was trying to sleep in the van, 479 00:28:55,869 --> 00:28:58,636 'cause it was probably like, 10 degrees out. 480 00:28:58,638 --> 00:29:00,704 And I said, "Oh, okay, come on and sleep 481 00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:03,106 "at Nick's house, it's all right." 482 00:29:03,108 --> 00:29:04,774 Four, five hours later when the sun's up 483 00:29:04,776 --> 00:29:06,475 everybody looks out Nick's window 484 00:29:06,477 --> 00:29:08,678 and there's this big empty parking space 485 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,545 where the van used to be. 486 00:29:09,547 --> 00:29:13,015 Brand new van, brand new equipment, 487 00:29:13,017 --> 00:29:16,184 sitting on 12th Street at Avenue B. 488 00:29:18,086 --> 00:29:19,719 I had insurance, 489 00:29:19,886 --> 00:29:21,686 so I got them another van, 490 00:29:21,688 --> 00:29:24,955 and I got them new equipment. 491 00:29:33,064 --> 00:29:34,330 God bless you. 492 00:29:34,332 --> 00:29:36,565 We find your peace life improvable. 493 00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:39,601 God bless you for coming to the show tonight. 494 00:29:39,603 --> 00:29:40,735 God bless your days. 495 00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:42,837 Coming in and your going out. 496 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,039 God bless your mama and your papa, 497 00:29:45,041 --> 00:29:46,707 your uncles and your aunts. 498 00:29:46,709 --> 00:29:48,575 God bless your granny and your grandpas. 499 00:29:48,577 --> 00:29:52,979 God bless your mother and your father and your brothers and sisters. 500 00:29:52,981 --> 00:29:54,814 God bless your soul. 501 00:29:54,816 --> 00:29:57,650 And God bless your children's soul. 502 00:29:57,652 --> 00:30:00,519 And God bless I and I soul. 503 00:30:03,356 --> 00:30:06,224 ♪ The youth are getting restless 504 00:30:06,226 --> 00:30:09,260 ♪ The youth are getting restless 505 00:30:09,262 --> 00:30:13,931 ♪ The youth are getting restless 506 00:30:14,299 --> 00:30:15,932 ♪ Yeah, yeah 507 00:30:15,934 --> 00:30:21,370 ♪ A 16-year-old girl don't drop out of school 508 00:30:22,105 --> 00:30:26,208 ♪ I said She's tired of being a fool 509 00:30:28,644 --> 00:30:30,845 ♪ A 19-year-old man... 510 00:30:30,847 --> 00:30:33,747 I am Dr. Know's mother. 511 00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:37,317 And all of these boys grew up, 512 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,086 like I said, you know, around me. 513 00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:43,022 They came to my house and we drove them to practice 514 00:30:43,024 --> 00:30:47,626 and we used to let them practice in my garage. 515 00:30:47,827 --> 00:30:48,626 See, I remember 516 00:30:48,628 --> 00:30:52,396 when I used to drive y'all around in my station wagon. 517 00:30:52,398 --> 00:30:55,031 The green station wagon? The green station wagon. 518 00:30:55,033 --> 00:30:56,665 Yeah. 519 00:30:57,033 --> 00:30:58,466 To go play, 520 00:30:58,468 --> 00:31:01,402 somebody to go practice, 521 00:31:01,536 --> 00:31:05,105 load everything up, get in the car 522 00:31:05,973 --> 00:31:07,640 here I go, 523 00:31:07,642 --> 00:31:10,275 and I'm still driving people around. 524 00:31:10,277 --> 00:31:12,910 How are you, sweetie? I'm doing okay. Are you? 525 00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:15,245 How are you? You've grown so much. 526 00:31:15,247 --> 00:31:16,980 Am I still growing? 527 00:31:17,815 --> 00:31:20,249 I have to help my kids a lot. I'm fine. 528 00:31:20,251 --> 00:31:22,751 I feel like I'm still growing. I see. 529 00:31:22,918 --> 00:31:25,486 ♪ The youth are getting restless 530 00:31:25,488 --> 00:31:30,991 ♪ The youth are getting restless 531 00:31:30,993 --> 00:31:33,393 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 532 00:31:33,395 --> 00:31:36,796 1980 is when we saw Bob Marley. 533 00:31:36,798 --> 00:31:42,868 We had known of Bob a little but we didn't really know. 534 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:45,604 I remember walking into the arena 535 00:31:45,606 --> 00:31:47,973 and just hearing the bass, 536 00:31:47,975 --> 00:31:51,343 that's like a 10,000-seat place, you know. 537 00:31:52,211 --> 00:31:54,812 It's amazing, and that was it. 538 00:31:54,814 --> 00:31:59,883 In the whole influence of Rasta and Africanism 539 00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,985 and who we were as men, 540 00:32:01,987 --> 00:32:05,822 started to want to take over as opposed to, 541 00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:08,057 being like lost youths from D.C., 542 00:32:08,059 --> 00:32:09,758 kinda on some rock and roll shit. 543 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760 And once we came across Marley and Rasta 544 00:32:11,762 --> 00:32:13,695 and the whole vibe and the message that went with that, 545 00:32:13,697 --> 00:32:17,665 that's when things started to change seriously for us. 546 00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:18,365 But not so much our music, 547 00:32:18,367 --> 00:32:22,369 but the message of our music went from a PMA to a Rasta, 548 00:32:22,536 --> 00:32:23,936 which was the same thing. 549 00:32:23,938 --> 00:32:24,870 Rastas used to be like 550 00:32:24,872 --> 00:32:28,506 how they see like the Taliban and Muslims are nowadays, 551 00:32:28,508 --> 00:32:29,073 terrorists. 552 00:32:29,075 --> 00:32:30,407 Like, I think that The New York Times 553 00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:32,175 even had an article out back in the early '80s 554 00:32:32,177 --> 00:32:35,111 about these new terrorists, and this Rasta 555 00:32:35,113 --> 00:32:37,813 and how lethal the foot like to kicking soccer 556 00:32:37,815 --> 00:32:38,980 and lethal will kick your ass 557 00:32:38,982 --> 00:32:40,548 with a lethal foot up the ass 558 00:32:40,550 --> 00:32:41,215 or something, you know. 559 00:32:41,217 --> 00:32:44,084 So, it was in the years before you started seeing dreadlocks 560 00:32:44,086 --> 00:32:45,485 in a Gap add or some shit like that. 561 00:32:45,487 --> 00:32:48,054 It used to be a real underground thing. 562 00:32:58,365 --> 00:33:00,299 A friend of mine who was in the restaurant business 563 00:33:00,301 --> 00:33:02,734 owned this really groovy house 564 00:33:02,736 --> 00:33:05,570 in the backwoods of Virginia. 565 00:33:05,572 --> 00:33:07,805 So, I got the Bad Brains to live there. 566 00:33:07,807 --> 00:33:12,776 So we would just sit out there and just play music all the time. 567 00:33:12,778 --> 00:33:16,479 Twenty-four hours a day. And it sits back of the woods, 568 00:33:16,481 --> 00:33:17,947 no other houses around... It's perfect, you know. 569 00:33:17,949 --> 00:33:21,684 We could just play, we literally played music all the time, 570 00:33:21,686 --> 00:33:23,652 loud, and never had any complaints, 571 00:33:23,654 --> 00:33:26,388 'cause there were no neighbors. 572 00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:29,590 We are all the same. 573 00:33:29,592 --> 00:33:31,792 You are all together. 574 00:33:31,794 --> 00:33:33,627 It was a great experience for me. 575 00:33:33,629 --> 00:33:35,996 If it wasn't for that house on Dranesville Road, 576 00:33:35,998 --> 00:33:38,298 I don't think I'd be sitting here 577 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:39,432 in America today playing music, 578 00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:42,568 'cause I learned a lot about drum, bass and guitar, 579 00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:46,471 and some keyboards from the original Dr. Know himself. 580 00:33:46,473 --> 00:33:48,673 We had classes, we had a blackboard 581 00:33:48,675 --> 00:33:51,442 and we would go through stuff, you know what I mean? 582 00:33:51,444 --> 00:33:54,411 Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do scales and 583 00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:57,213 augmented and diminished and sharps and flats, 584 00:33:57,215 --> 00:33:58,847 and all that type of stuff we did. 585 00:33:58,849 --> 00:34:02,450 And we cooked a lot of beans and rice. 586 00:34:02,784 --> 00:34:03,416 And smoked a lot of weed 587 00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:07,453 and played from 6:00 in the evening till 6:00 in the morning. 588 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:11,022 And there was a haze of marijuana 589 00:34:11,024 --> 00:34:12,256 in the house at all times. 590 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:15,559 The farmhouse was perfect. They could grow their marijuana, 591 00:34:15,561 --> 00:34:16,526 they could smoke their marijuana, 592 00:34:16,528 --> 00:34:19,829 they could play, they wouldn't bother anybody. 593 00:34:20,831 --> 00:34:22,698 The neighbors weren't appreciative 594 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:26,668 of having four black punkers living on their land. 595 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:29,604 And I never put that together until it was too late. 596 00:34:29,606 --> 00:34:33,007 The old local cops there got wind of 597 00:34:33,009 --> 00:34:34,675 a bunch of black brothers back here 598 00:34:34,677 --> 00:34:36,443 back in the woods over here. 599 00:34:36,445 --> 00:34:39,846 We were coming home from the music store, 600 00:34:39,848 --> 00:34:40,546 pull up in the driveway, 601 00:34:40,548 --> 00:34:43,181 all excited, taking out the gear, you know, 602 00:34:43,183 --> 00:34:44,615 going in the house, setting it up... 603 00:34:44,617 --> 00:34:48,518 All of a sudden, Babylon just come in on us, you know. 604 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,886 Kicked the door in, 605 00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:52,154 "On the floor!" 606 00:34:52,156 --> 00:34:54,589 Just so happened that particular day, 607 00:34:54,591 --> 00:34:55,623 we had the new equipment, 608 00:34:55,625 --> 00:34:57,324 so they think that we got some kind 609 00:34:57,326 --> 00:34:58,792 of fencing thing going, 610 00:34:58,794 --> 00:35:00,226 we all stole the equipment, 611 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:01,894 and it's like, "Where's the guns?" you know. 612 00:35:01,896 --> 00:35:05,764 Rasta gotta have guns and pounds and pounds of weed. 613 00:35:05,766 --> 00:35:06,998 They ain't finding no guns, 614 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,833 they ain't finding all these pounds of weed, 615 00:35:08,835 --> 00:35:11,502 and all that. None of that bullshit, you know? 616 00:35:11,504 --> 00:35:12,803 When it became obvious 617 00:35:12,805 --> 00:35:15,739 that it really was a black-white thing, 618 00:35:15,741 --> 00:35:17,640 that they wanted to get rid of 'em. 619 00:35:17,642 --> 00:35:20,275 Then it all went away, nobody got charged, 620 00:35:20,277 --> 00:35:22,277 nobody went to jail. 621 00:35:24,546 --> 00:35:28,115 ♪ I luv, I luv I Jah 622 00:35:28,117 --> 00:35:31,218 ♪ And I luv, I luv I Jah ♪ 623 00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:32,986 That magic summer, 624 00:35:32,988 --> 00:35:35,855 they went away and they reappeared... 625 00:35:35,857 --> 00:35:37,389 I remember they came out and they were 626 00:35:37,391 --> 00:35:39,791 all wearing like button-up shirts, 627 00:35:39,793 --> 00:35:42,894 and they had nice pants on and they had new equipment, 628 00:35:42,896 --> 00:35:47,198 Gary had a wood grain kind of natural guitar. 629 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,732 And we're like, "What's going on?" 630 00:35:48,734 --> 00:35:52,736 In come the Bad Brains, and all these new people with them. 631 00:35:52,738 --> 00:35:56,973 Here's Julian, very scary Rasta guy. 632 00:35:56,975 --> 00:36:00,309 Here's these Rasta women with them. 633 00:36:00,311 --> 00:36:03,211 Ian and myself and the rest of the normal gang 634 00:36:03,213 --> 00:36:05,913 addressed them as we always did, "Hey, HR." 635 00:36:05,915 --> 00:36:08,382 "Yes, Henry man." 636 00:36:08,783 --> 00:36:10,683 "Excuse me?" 637 00:36:10,685 --> 00:36:12,551 "All is irie." 638 00:36:12,885 --> 00:36:14,252 Irie? 639 00:36:15,387 --> 00:36:17,020 "Who are you?" 640 00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:20,889 ♪ They try to make I feel ashamed 641 00:36:23,392 --> 00:36:25,960 ♪ But I 642 00:36:25,962 --> 00:36:28,862 ♪ Luv, I Jah ♪ 643 00:36:28,864 --> 00:36:31,231 Just like Henry and Ian can look at you and say, 644 00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:34,834 "All of a sudden they came back and it was Jamaican," 645 00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:35,767 someone in their family can say, 646 00:36:35,769 --> 00:36:37,468 all of a sudden they came home from high school 647 00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:38,535 and they was Sid Vicious. 648 00:36:38,537 --> 00:36:41,137 Before, when he left, he was Jimmy Page. 649 00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:46,508 So yeah, it kept changing for me, 650 00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:47,742 from when I was a teenager. 651 00:36:47,744 --> 00:36:49,543 Ah, Darryl, he's a white boy, lookit, 652 00:36:49,545 --> 00:36:51,378 he wear leather pants and you know... 653 00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:54,280 How do you think a dude in Southeast feels when he see me 654 00:36:54,282 --> 00:36:57,316 and I'm walking down the street in some leather pants, 655 00:36:57,318 --> 00:37:00,319 and ripped-up shirt? "That nigga's a white boy." 656 00:37:00,321 --> 00:37:04,189 Right? So now, when I go, and the white boy sees me, 657 00:37:04,191 --> 00:37:07,425 and he say, "Oh, these black dudes is cool. 658 00:37:07,427 --> 00:37:08,359 "They're the Bad Brains." 659 00:37:08,361 --> 00:37:10,561 Then the Bad Brains go off and see Bob Marley, 660 00:37:10,563 --> 00:37:11,528 then they came back, "Yes I-ah." 661 00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:14,330 "Oh, man, shit, wonder what happened to them dudes, man, 662 00:37:14,332 --> 00:37:17,399 "they used to be punks and now they're like Rastas." 663 00:37:25,707 --> 00:37:29,443 There's a line of spirituality running through your music 664 00:37:29,445 --> 00:37:30,210 and your lyrics. 665 00:37:30,212 --> 00:37:33,479 How important is Rastafarianism to you? 666 00:37:33,481 --> 00:37:37,749 It's our life, so it is of the utmost importance. 667 00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:43,287 It turned a lot of people off 668 00:37:43,289 --> 00:37:46,189 but I think it also gave some people... 669 00:37:46,191 --> 00:37:48,291 It empowered other people. 670 00:37:50,127 --> 00:37:53,162 HR started getting me to grow dreads and shit. 671 00:37:53,164 --> 00:37:56,198 We had the UFF. The United Freedom Fighters, 672 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,701 and it was this organization that HR started and like, 673 00:37:59,703 --> 00:38:01,569 we had meetings and we were gonna change 674 00:38:01,571 --> 00:38:03,804 the world and the planet and all that shit. 675 00:38:03,806 --> 00:38:07,741 And after like three or four spliffs, everybody was like, 676 00:38:07,743 --> 00:38:10,143 "What were we talking about now?" 677 00:38:10,145 --> 00:38:12,879 Everyone started talking like Rastas all of a sudden. 678 00:38:12,881 --> 00:38:15,381 When we were stoned and sittin' on a stoop, going, 679 00:38:15,383 --> 00:38:17,449 "Yes boss, scooch, yeah, yeah man, 680 00:38:17,451 --> 00:38:19,350 "my shit up, yeah..." 681 00:38:23,988 --> 00:38:26,723 But to me, I loved it When they played dub, 682 00:38:26,725 --> 00:38:28,958 like it actually balanced out the whole show, 683 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,658 'cause to just go 684 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:32,193 and listen to most hardcore bands, 685 00:38:32,195 --> 00:38:33,961 after about like seven songs, 686 00:38:33,963 --> 00:38:35,128 you're kinda like... Burnt. 687 00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:36,529 Well, yeah, like, you're kinda like 688 00:38:36,531 --> 00:38:37,696 your ears get burned out. 689 00:38:37,698 --> 00:38:39,497 But the way that they were able to play 690 00:38:39,499 --> 00:38:40,798 like three hardcore songs 691 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,900 and then like settle into like a dub track 692 00:38:42,902 --> 00:38:45,435 kinda like soothed the audience just long enough, 693 00:38:45,437 --> 00:38:48,438 until they'd hit them again with more hardcore... 694 00:39:00,215 --> 00:39:03,517 That's one of the main things that separated the Bad Brains 695 00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,853 and made them all that much more kind of awe-inspiring, 696 00:39:06,855 --> 00:39:10,723 was that, they actually had a genuine pacing to their show 697 00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:15,194 because they had this whole reggae and dub element. 698 00:39:15,196 --> 00:39:17,196 When they pressed up their first single, 699 00:39:17,198 --> 00:39:20,132 it was pressed in New York and they needed a car 700 00:39:20,134 --> 00:39:23,135 to go pick up the eight boxes of the 7-inch, 701 00:39:23,137 --> 00:39:25,036 and I went, "Here's my keys." 702 00:39:25,038 --> 00:39:26,303 For 99 cents, I got this 703 00:39:26,305 --> 00:39:30,774 flimsy little, you know, Xeroxed thing, and I put this thing on. 704 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:39,015 I thought, it must be a 33 rpm single, 705 00:39:39,017 --> 00:39:41,851 and I've gone and got it on 45, there's something wrong. 706 00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:44,653 Stopped it, put it on 33... 707 00:39:46,455 --> 00:39:49,056 And then I was like, "Okay, this sounds a little more right," 708 00:39:49,058 --> 00:39:51,858 but then the vocal came and it was totally wrong. 709 00:39:56,496 --> 00:39:58,063 And I probably played it 710 00:39:58,065 --> 00:40:01,166 conservatively 16 to 20 times that afternoon. 711 00:40:01,168 --> 00:40:03,034 I just couldn't believe it. 712 00:40:03,036 --> 00:40:03,734 It was... 713 00:40:03,736 --> 00:40:07,604 It flew in the face of everything I ever learned 714 00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:11,741 about being a rock musician, and in a good way. 715 00:40:24,354 --> 00:40:27,656 Thing about the Brains that's so phenomenal, 716 00:40:27,658 --> 00:40:30,859 is that we were recorded in 1983 717 00:40:30,861 --> 00:40:34,195 as being the fastest band on the planet Earth. 718 00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:36,830 And shortly after that we got 719 00:40:36,832 --> 00:40:40,033 on the Guinness Book of World Records. 720 00:40:43,804 --> 00:40:47,206 It was unlike anything I'd ever heard before. 721 00:40:47,208 --> 00:40:48,640 And it was faster, 722 00:40:48,642 --> 00:40:50,541 it was more raw, it was more powerful 723 00:40:50,543 --> 00:40:52,643 than anything I'd ever listened to before. 724 00:40:52,645 --> 00:40:54,845 Those guys were such amazing musicians, 725 00:40:54,847 --> 00:40:59,049 Mo Sussman wanted them to sell out and play pop music. 726 00:40:59,051 --> 00:41:00,850 That's why when the first single came out, 727 00:41:00,852 --> 00:41:05,221 it was Pay to Cum! and Stay Close to Me on the other side. 728 00:41:06,389 --> 00:41:10,024 ♪ Stay close to me ♪ 729 00:41:11,192 --> 00:41:14,727 Mo Sussman wanted to push them as a pop group. 730 00:41:14,729 --> 00:41:16,161 That's how talented they were. 731 00:41:16,163 --> 00:41:18,763 For people to think, this is all they could've done, 732 00:41:18,765 --> 00:41:19,497 that's not the truth. 733 00:41:19,499 --> 00:41:22,433 They could have sold out and played pop music 734 00:41:22,435 --> 00:41:24,168 and sold millions of records. 735 00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:25,702 Their heart was in punk, 736 00:41:25,704 --> 00:41:28,171 and that's why they chose the punk route. 737 00:41:28,173 --> 00:41:29,539 Because if you look at that single, 738 00:41:29,541 --> 00:41:32,174 it's like there's two paths they could have taken. 739 00:41:32,176 --> 00:41:34,609 If they had taken it one more step, 740 00:41:34,611 --> 00:41:39,680 they could have been much more important than they are now. 741 00:41:39,682 --> 00:41:41,815 Unless, of course, they're important 742 00:41:41,817 --> 00:41:44,083 because they did the opposite. 743 00:41:44,717 --> 00:41:48,419 Maybe if they sold out, which everyone was accusing me 744 00:41:48,421 --> 00:41:49,987 of trying to do with the Bad Brains, 745 00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:52,923 maybe they wouldn't have become important. 746 00:42:03,367 --> 00:42:06,602 Banned in D.C. had nothing to do with me. 747 00:42:06,604 --> 00:42:09,838 Banned in D.C. had to do with the fact that 748 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,507 club owners wouldn't let them play 749 00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:17,445 because of HR's 50-to 100-person guest list. 750 00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,480 We relocated to New York 751 00:42:19,482 --> 00:42:23,750 and began promoting our own events. 752 00:42:24,118 --> 00:42:24,784 And we were just gutted. 753 00:42:24,786 --> 00:42:27,686 We couldn't believe they were gonna move to New York. 754 00:42:27,688 --> 00:42:29,387 Because they were such a Washington band, 755 00:42:29,389 --> 00:42:31,255 I was like, that was our world. 756 00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:33,390 If we would've stayed here, what would have happened? 757 00:42:33,392 --> 00:42:36,626 Signed to Dischord and sold a million records? 758 00:42:36,628 --> 00:42:38,594 You never know. 759 00:42:38,995 --> 00:42:41,730 Everyone knew there was something going on, 760 00:42:41,732 --> 00:42:43,998 but nobody knew what to do. 761 00:42:44,432 --> 00:42:45,698 And I had tried to do something 762 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:49,401 with what was going on, but I was not successful. 763 00:43:20,265 --> 00:43:24,268 To me they embody like the best parts of music, like... 764 00:43:24,469 --> 00:43:29,239 A philosophy, you know, ideals, roots music, 765 00:43:29,241 --> 00:43:33,142 you know, and place to put your aggression. 766 00:45:21,881 --> 00:45:24,148 Hardcore was kind of rising up 767 00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:28,185 out of the ashes of the old punk movement, 768 00:45:28,187 --> 00:45:30,754 that was sort of fizzling out. 769 00:45:32,389 --> 00:45:36,358 The Bad Brains coming up from D.C. was just a focal point 770 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,661 for all these kind of like-minded misfits. 771 00:45:41,263 --> 00:45:43,430 They talked the talk and they walked the walk. 772 00:45:43,432 --> 00:45:46,666 They're were the most benevolent scene leaders I've ever seen. 773 00:45:46,668 --> 00:45:49,969 Their entire thing was again to be one with the audience, 774 00:45:49,971 --> 00:45:51,603 and then they even immediately became one 775 00:45:51,605 --> 00:45:53,771 with all the bands they played with. 776 00:45:57,876 --> 00:46:00,611 We used to borrow their equipment all the time. 777 00:46:00,613 --> 00:46:03,413 Twice they handed us their instruments, 778 00:46:03,415 --> 00:46:05,214 when their own gig was finished. 779 00:46:05,216 --> 00:46:07,549 I never heard of this before or since. 780 00:46:07,551 --> 00:46:09,951 They would do a gig. At the very end, 781 00:46:09,953 --> 00:46:12,720 HR and Dr. Know would say like, 782 00:46:12,722 --> 00:46:14,988 "Hey, you guys, Even Worse, 783 00:46:15,089 --> 00:46:17,123 "come up, come up!" "What, what?" 784 00:46:17,125 --> 00:46:18,924 "You guys play now." 785 00:46:24,363 --> 00:46:30,000 They were one of the biggest musical influences on me. Period. 786 00:46:30,002 --> 00:46:31,167 Growing up around them, 787 00:46:31,169 --> 00:46:33,969 I had a very special connection to them, 788 00:46:33,971 --> 00:46:37,238 especially because I was like, nine, ten years old. 789 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,974 I learned how to play a bass from watching Darryl. 790 00:46:39,976 --> 00:46:42,609 You know, I... Obviously, I developed my own style 791 00:46:42,611 --> 00:46:44,978 but he was one of the key ingredients. 792 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:46,512 We played one of our first shows, 793 00:46:46,514 --> 00:46:48,480 I think it was about, like, our third show 794 00:46:48,482 --> 00:46:51,282 and HR is all of a sudden like in the middle of the crowd, 795 00:46:51,284 --> 00:46:54,585 and HR starts slamming into all the kids and like moving 796 00:46:54,587 --> 00:46:56,753 and all of a sudden like the room lit up 797 00:46:56,755 --> 00:46:58,287 and the whole energy in the room 798 00:46:58,289 --> 00:46:59,321 like he definitely set it off. 799 00:46:59,323 --> 00:47:03,024 It was just like, "Wow, like HR's in the audience at our show!" 800 00:47:03,026 --> 00:47:06,394 It was crazy, and he said, "You know we got this gig coming up, 801 00:47:06,396 --> 00:47:07,661 "at Max's in a couple of weeks 802 00:47:07,663 --> 00:47:09,796 "if you guys wanna open up for us." 803 00:47:13,934 --> 00:47:18,370 I first saw the Bad Brains in 1981. 804 00:47:18,372 --> 00:47:20,672 I got a vibe coming off the stage 805 00:47:20,674 --> 00:47:25,777 that I'd only felt when I'd seen Jimi Hendrix 806 00:47:25,844 --> 00:47:28,512 or the Rolling Stones. 807 00:47:29,714 --> 00:47:32,082 The band and the audience 808 00:47:32,084 --> 00:47:37,153 got into a highly refined state of mind, 809 00:47:37,155 --> 00:47:40,422 almost like a religious experience. 810 00:47:43,993 --> 00:47:46,394 I'd set up a rehearsal space, 811 00:47:46,396 --> 00:47:52,032 address was 171 Avenue A between 10th and 11th Street, 812 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,501 an old glass shop. 813 00:47:54,503 --> 00:47:58,238 171 consisted of one long room. 814 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,773 We set up the stage on one end 815 00:48:00,775 --> 00:48:03,041 and back near the entrance, 816 00:48:03,043 --> 00:48:06,210 we had an elevated sound booth, 817 00:48:06,212 --> 00:48:08,946 so that we could do recordings. 818 00:48:08,948 --> 00:48:13,216 We used to charge $10 an hour for recording, you know. 819 00:48:13,218 --> 00:48:15,751 Just the most economical recording 820 00:48:15,753 --> 00:48:18,787 you could find in town at that time. 821 00:48:19,221 --> 00:48:20,087 It was like more, 822 00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:23,957 like off, off, off, off, off Broadway-type theater. 823 00:48:23,959 --> 00:48:27,694 You know, something like maybe a world that Adam was more, 824 00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:29,429 uh, familiar with, as a thespian. 825 00:48:29,431 --> 00:48:31,431 You mean the Yiddish theater? 826 00:48:31,433 --> 00:48:31,831 Yeah, exactly. 827 00:48:31,833 --> 00:48:35,401 The funny thing about 171-A, too, was it was a bunch of couches 828 00:48:35,403 --> 00:48:37,369 that they had dragged in off the street. 829 00:48:37,371 --> 00:48:39,971 So there was like 10 like 830 00:48:39,973 --> 00:48:42,640 real dirty, nasty couches around there. 831 00:48:42,642 --> 00:48:43,340 And I'm sure it was illegal, 832 00:48:43,342 --> 00:48:44,841 I'm sure they didn't have any kind of license to do it, 833 00:48:44,843 --> 00:48:47,276 like it was Avenue A and back then, like, you know... 834 00:48:47,278 --> 00:48:49,711 Avenue A was kind of off the map, you know. 835 00:48:49,713 --> 00:48:51,813 Well, yeah, I mean, look, most of what happened 836 00:48:51,815 --> 00:48:54,682 on Avenue A at that time was illegal. 837 00:48:57,085 --> 00:49:01,455 The Bad Brains played the night of May 2nd, 1981, 838 00:49:01,457 --> 00:49:03,590 and I recorded it. 839 00:49:18,805 --> 00:49:22,240 We kind of fell in love with each other, you know, 840 00:49:22,242 --> 00:49:25,910 they appreciated the sound I got. 841 00:49:36,755 --> 00:49:41,658 At that time no major label would touch that kind of music 842 00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:47,764 and by the beginning of '82 ROIR had issued the tape. 843 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,901 Since they came from the capital, 844 00:49:52,903 --> 00:49:56,938 they chose a cover design that featured 845 00:49:56,940 --> 00:50:01,442 the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. 846 00:50:06,514 --> 00:50:08,982 I played like my first cassette, 847 00:50:08,984 --> 00:50:10,950 I probably just wore that thing out 848 00:50:10,952 --> 00:50:12,351 that meant so much to me. 849 00:50:12,353 --> 00:50:15,287 Yeah, that ROIR cassette, I remember I had a Walkman, 850 00:50:15,289 --> 00:50:17,622 like the early... Like the first Walkman, 851 00:50:17,624 --> 00:50:18,789 and I would just sit in school 852 00:50:18,791 --> 00:50:20,724 just like sit in the hallway on the floor 853 00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:21,624 and just like listen to that 854 00:50:21,626 --> 00:50:24,226 like over and over and over again. 855 00:50:32,001 --> 00:50:34,302 You know, I think that that record just captures 856 00:50:34,304 --> 00:50:36,337 the way that they sounded live. 857 00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:38,706 The amplifiers were all distorting, 858 00:50:38,708 --> 00:50:40,374 and the PA was distorting. 859 00:50:40,376 --> 00:50:41,274 Everything was kinda like 860 00:50:41,276 --> 00:50:42,208 combining together in a certain way. 861 00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:46,312 And I think that, that really got captured in the four-track. 862 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,935 Ladies and gentlemen, here we are. 863 00:51:10,937 --> 00:51:16,006 This is the mighty defender of the truth 864 00:51:16,008 --> 00:51:20,043 and he's up against, you know who? 865 00:51:20,344 --> 00:51:24,113 The one and only Doom. 866 00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:26,381 What are you gonna do that for, 867 00:51:26,383 --> 00:51:27,048 how dare you? 868 00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:31,419 - I'm just a Doom. - I'll get you. 869 00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:32,853 No, you won't. 870 00:51:42,929 --> 00:51:46,164 As you know, you've got to feed the people, 871 00:51:47,065 --> 00:51:48,999 for along with good music, 872 00:51:49,001 --> 00:51:53,203 and good wine and good beer and good water and good Pepsi, 873 00:51:53,337 --> 00:51:55,705 one must have food. 874 00:51:55,707 --> 00:51:58,207 So, we're going to feed the masses, 875 00:51:58,209 --> 00:52:03,078 make sure that their stomachs have something in it 876 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,814 because when we start shredding... 877 00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:08,683 There's no holding us back. 878 00:52:56,864 --> 00:52:59,699 On Monday, March 1st, 1982, 879 00:52:59,701 --> 00:53:03,069 the Bad Brains, with their associated roadies, 880 00:53:03,071 --> 00:53:06,305 loaded into a van that we had rented 881 00:53:06,307 --> 00:53:11,376 from the band called Joey Miserable and The Worms 882 00:53:11,378 --> 00:53:13,678 and set off for California 883 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,615 and a number of gigs on the West Coast. 884 00:53:17,617 --> 00:53:19,483 We used to call it the Slave Ship, 885 00:53:19,485 --> 00:53:23,386 and we were just all in there with the equipment. 886 00:53:23,388 --> 00:53:26,489 It was four, five, 887 00:53:26,491 --> 00:53:28,491 six, seven of us. 888 00:53:40,803 --> 00:53:44,472 We had to travel straight across the country 889 00:53:44,474 --> 00:53:48,976 to our first gig in San Francisco. 890 00:53:49,143 --> 00:53:52,678 Every place we played, we had 891 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,980 a huge response. 892 00:54:11,063 --> 00:54:16,434 We drove across New Mexico into Texas to Austin 893 00:54:16,436 --> 00:54:20,337 and ended up staying at the house 894 00:54:20,339 --> 00:54:23,740 of The Big Boys, I believe. 895 00:54:34,184 --> 00:54:39,254 The singer in Big Boys thought HR was absolutely wonderful. 896 00:54:40,256 --> 00:54:43,057 And HR at that point was beginning to... 897 00:54:43,059 --> 00:54:45,025 You know, I mean, he read the Bible a lot. 898 00:54:45,027 --> 00:54:50,296 The Big Boys had showed great kindness to the Bad Brains, 899 00:54:50,298 --> 00:54:51,597 putting them up in their house. 900 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:55,701 One of the Big Boys had procured a bag of herb, 901 00:54:55,703 --> 00:55:00,038 saying, you know, "After you receive your pay for the gig, 902 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,373 "you can pay us back." 903 00:55:02,375 --> 00:55:06,176 And in fact I stood beside Doc 904 00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:09,112 as he put the money in an envelope, 905 00:55:09,114 --> 00:55:14,450 and left it on our host dresser in his room. 906 00:55:14,651 --> 00:55:18,654 I found out later that somebody had gone 907 00:55:18,656 --> 00:55:23,558 into the room and had taken that envelope of money 908 00:55:24,026 --> 00:55:25,993 and replaced it 909 00:55:26,661 --> 00:55:30,163 with a note saying, uh, 910 00:55:30,564 --> 00:55:31,263 something to the effect 911 00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:35,066 of "Fire burn all faggots," you know. 912 00:55:36,835 --> 00:55:37,801 And, 913 00:55:37,803 --> 00:55:40,003 you can draw your own conclusions 914 00:55:40,005 --> 00:55:42,572 as who could've done that. 915 00:55:50,681 --> 00:55:54,717 We got the bad rap on that and that was a racial rap. 916 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:55,284 This story's been told 917 00:55:55,286 --> 00:55:58,053 that we came through like some renegade Rastas like, 918 00:55:58,055 --> 00:55:59,621 on some homophobic shit. 919 00:55:59,623 --> 00:56:00,188 If it's Led Zeppelin, 920 00:56:00,190 --> 00:56:01,489 "Man, these fucking guys are assholes, they rot." 921 00:56:01,491 --> 00:56:03,257 When Bad Brains comes in your house, burns the carpet 922 00:56:03,259 --> 00:56:05,359 with spliff tails or whatever, spills 923 00:56:05,361 --> 00:56:06,360 Ital stew and HR calls you 924 00:56:06,362 --> 00:56:10,430 a batty boy and takes your weed, then there's like a whole big... 925 00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:12,197 It's deeper somehow... That's what I say. 926 00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:12,764 I say it's complicated. 927 00:56:12,766 --> 00:56:16,167 I'm not gonna say... Homophobia, that's just homophobia. 928 00:56:16,169 --> 00:56:17,468 Yeah, but... I'm just... 929 00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:18,202 That's the way I look at it. 930 00:56:18,204 --> 00:56:20,003 But people still bitch at us about the homophobia. 931 00:56:20,005 --> 00:56:21,437 I'm just saying, that's just... Still today. 932 00:56:21,439 --> 00:56:22,438 Right. I know, I know, but... 933 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,139 Like you said it's like a scab, it's real. 934 00:56:24,141 --> 00:56:26,207 That shit stuck with my shit, it turned... 935 00:56:26,209 --> 00:56:27,875 It turned all the beautiful things 936 00:56:27,877 --> 00:56:28,976 that you hear them saying about 937 00:56:28,978 --> 00:56:32,112 us being how HR will literally put his fucking coat down 938 00:56:32,114 --> 00:56:34,414 for you to walk over a puddle, he was that kind of guy. 939 00:56:34,416 --> 00:56:35,915 It was at a point in time where a band... 940 00:56:35,917 --> 00:56:39,351 Like, it was like when the Misfits, when they went to San Francisco, 941 00:56:39,353 --> 00:56:40,385 they beat somebody up at the show, 942 00:56:40,387 --> 00:56:41,819 they were like vilified for it. 943 00:56:41,821 --> 00:56:44,855 It was in the era where anybody, if you misstepped, 944 00:56:44,857 --> 00:56:45,789 you just got hell. 945 00:56:45,791 --> 00:56:47,023 And the Bad Brains thing, it just, 946 00:56:47,025 --> 00:56:50,126 unfortunately, not only did something bad go down, 947 00:56:50,128 --> 00:56:51,994 that was this youthful indiscretion, 948 00:56:51,996 --> 00:56:52,861 - let's say it's that. - Yeah. 949 00:56:52,863 --> 00:56:54,762 But nonetheless, the problem is you had the amplifiers, 950 00:56:54,764 --> 00:56:57,664 you had people who just picked up on it and ran with it. 951 00:56:57,666 --> 00:56:59,265 Any cat in rock that goes, 952 00:56:59,267 --> 00:57:01,066 "Fuck those faggots" or something like that, 953 00:57:01,068 --> 00:57:04,669 they're not gonna get what the fuck we got for going, 954 00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:05,936 "Batty boy," they're not getting that, 955 00:57:05,938 --> 00:57:07,904 they just getting, "You guys..." 956 00:57:07,906 --> 00:57:10,473 For some reason with us is like a living legacy, 957 00:57:10,475 --> 00:57:11,974 I had to go on the Internet and tell them, 958 00:57:11,976 --> 00:57:12,774 "Look, I love all people, 959 00:57:12,776 --> 00:57:14,408 "we have learned to love all people, 960 00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:16,176 "we were young too, we grew." 961 00:57:16,178 --> 00:57:18,311 You know, no one's out to get anybody, you know, 962 00:57:18,313 --> 00:57:19,745 but then, granted, HR did get off 963 00:57:19,747 --> 00:57:22,047 into some weird shit after a while, you know. 964 00:57:23,116 --> 00:57:24,315 HR is in Baltimore still. 965 00:57:24,317 --> 00:57:26,283 He's still in Baltimore. 966 00:57:28,252 --> 00:57:31,220 Waiting for a flight, he's got a flight at 8:30, 967 00:57:31,222 --> 00:57:33,555 I booked it last night at 2:00 in the morning. 968 00:57:33,557 --> 00:57:35,690 HR talked about taking a car. 969 00:57:35,692 --> 00:57:37,825 So he's gonna hire a limo. 970 00:57:38,259 --> 00:57:40,026 Kind of a distance. 971 00:57:40,028 --> 00:57:41,961 Three days in a limo. 972 00:57:43,363 --> 00:57:44,329 Come on. 973 00:57:44,331 --> 00:57:45,330 US Air, yeah. 974 00:57:45,332 --> 00:57:46,964 That's what I'm saying. 975 00:57:46,966 --> 00:57:48,332 US Air. 976 00:57:48,766 --> 00:57:49,832 What he's saying now? 977 00:57:49,834 --> 00:57:51,834 He went to the wrong airline. 978 00:57:51,836 --> 00:57:54,770 They were saying, "No that flight left early today." 979 00:57:54,772 --> 00:57:56,071 Hey, HR, how are you? 980 00:57:56,073 --> 00:57:56,938 It's Anthony. 981 00:57:56,940 --> 00:58:00,141 So, I'm in Buffalo and Darryl's here 982 00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:02,209 and Doc is here and Earl is here, 983 00:58:02,211 --> 00:58:04,645 and everybody else is on their way. 984 00:58:04,647 --> 00:58:05,779 So I'm just checking in with you. 985 00:58:05,781 --> 00:58:08,515 Call me back when you get this and... 986 00:58:08,517 --> 00:58:10,149 Just want to make sure everything's fine 987 00:58:10,151 --> 00:58:12,384 for the flight that you're getting on, 988 00:58:12,386 --> 00:58:14,652 which is in about an hour and a half, 989 00:58:14,654 --> 00:58:17,421 so you're probably on your way to the airport. 990 00:58:17,423 --> 00:58:20,624 Okay, I'll talk to you soon. Bye. 991 00:58:26,897 --> 00:58:27,930 I'm not sure. 992 00:58:27,932 --> 00:58:31,133 He left early this morning for where? 993 00:58:35,304 --> 00:58:38,839 So he's... Apparently he got up this morning and left. 994 00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:42,909 Grant has no idea how he left. But he left. 995 00:58:42,911 --> 00:58:44,944 Probably in a car. 996 00:58:45,478 --> 00:58:46,878 So he's probably just doing that. 997 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,380 I mean, I don't know... It's like, 998 00:58:49,647 --> 00:58:52,615 I'm gonna have to eat the flights. 999 00:58:52,617 --> 00:58:54,049 That sucks. 1000 00:59:26,148 --> 00:59:27,815 Greetings, brothers and sisters. 1001 00:59:27,817 --> 00:59:32,219 We're here live in Toronto, Canada, with the Brains. 1002 00:59:32,221 --> 00:59:35,021 And showtime will be momentarily. 1003 00:59:35,023 --> 00:59:37,123 And thank you very much for your cooperation 1004 00:59:37,125 --> 00:59:41,393 and your patience. I'm HR, aka EHD. 1005 00:59:41,395 --> 00:59:43,795 Love I. Rastafari. 1006 01:00:40,351 --> 01:00:43,820 Ric Ocasek said he had our ROIR cassette on his tour bus. 1007 01:00:43,822 --> 01:00:45,922 It would fire him up to go on stage. 1008 01:00:45,924 --> 01:00:48,224 So he got a hold of us when we played in Boston. 1009 01:00:48,226 --> 01:00:49,792 I thought it was really cool. 1010 01:00:49,794 --> 01:00:50,726 I thought it was strange too, 1011 01:00:50,728 --> 01:00:53,295 because I didn't really like his band that much. 1012 01:00:53,297 --> 01:00:54,596 And I was a punker kid like 1013 01:00:54,598 --> 01:00:55,997 I hated The Cars. You know, it was cool 1014 01:00:55,999 --> 01:00:58,733 to hate The Cars if you were into punk. 1015 01:01:01,103 --> 01:01:04,038 You know, at that time I was kind of like a... 1016 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,073 I was always looking for things like that. 1017 01:01:06,075 --> 01:01:08,408 A lot of bands that came through Boston I would 1018 01:01:08,410 --> 01:01:10,109 try to get them to come to the studio 1019 01:01:10,111 --> 01:01:11,710 and, you know, do tracks. 1020 01:01:11,712 --> 01:01:13,678 You know, like Suicide, 1021 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,578 and Romeo Void, 1022 01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:15,545 whatever was far away from 1023 01:01:15,547 --> 01:01:17,747 kind of like what I was doing. 1024 01:01:17,749 --> 01:01:19,014 He was a really nice guy to us 1025 01:01:19,016 --> 01:01:21,649 and really brought us to his studio, recorded our album 1026 01:01:21,651 --> 01:01:23,984 and he was sort of like the rock star coming to 1027 01:01:23,986 --> 01:01:26,186 bring us into the rock star world, 1028 01:01:26,188 --> 01:01:27,987 you know, give us good guitars and shit 1029 01:01:27,989 --> 01:01:30,589 and takes us to places, give us a per diem and all that. 1030 01:01:30,591 --> 01:01:32,924 Ric was just a sweetheart, you know, 1031 01:01:32,926 --> 01:01:34,558 very supportive and 1032 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,060 he gave me a guitar. 1033 01:01:37,127 --> 01:01:41,463 That was our first time going into a real proper studio. 1034 01:01:41,465 --> 01:01:44,466 And we went in there for three days, 1035 01:01:44,468 --> 01:01:47,535 and recorded the whole album in three days. 1036 01:02:07,921 --> 01:02:10,022 You don't have to dis my man Ric Ocasek 1037 01:02:10,024 --> 01:02:11,723 because The Cars are great in their own right, 1038 01:02:11,725 --> 01:02:14,959 but I remember feeling a little disappointed when they like had 1039 01:02:14,961 --> 01:02:18,095 Ric Ocasek producing a Bad Brains record and I was thinking like, 1040 01:02:18,097 --> 01:02:20,897 "Why are they having Ric Ocasek produce a Bad Brains record? 1041 01:02:20,899 --> 01:02:22,231 "Like, they just made 1042 01:02:22,233 --> 01:02:25,634 "the most incredible sounding thing 1043 01:02:25,735 --> 01:02:26,134 "at 171-A, 1044 01:02:26,136 --> 01:02:29,537 "like why would they want to go into this like fancy studio 1045 01:02:29,539 --> 01:02:31,238 "and make this other thing?" 1046 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,342 There weren't too many kids in the hardcore scene that... 1047 01:02:35,344 --> 01:02:38,511 Then, that weren't influenced by Rock for Light. 1048 01:02:38,513 --> 01:02:40,346 You had to have that record. 1049 01:02:40,348 --> 01:02:42,448 You had to know that record. If you didn't know that record 1050 01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:47,653 your other punk rock friends might be a little suspicious. You know, like... 1051 01:02:53,059 --> 01:02:55,193 I know every drum lick off of that record 1052 01:02:55,195 --> 01:02:56,360 and I have since I was 14. 1053 01:02:56,362 --> 01:03:00,197 I knew every single one of their songs front to back. 1054 01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,566 And from listening to Earl. 1055 01:03:09,073 --> 01:03:11,607 Earl didn't flail around like a lot of 1056 01:03:11,609 --> 01:03:15,844 the spazzy, fucking white punk rock drummers like me. 1057 01:03:18,314 --> 01:03:22,016 Earl was like Bernard Purdie or something, you know. 1058 01:03:22,018 --> 01:03:24,752 He just had this thing, right. 1059 01:03:24,754 --> 01:03:26,019 He just seemed like 1060 01:03:26,021 --> 01:03:28,187 it was nothing. Like whatever. 1061 01:03:28,189 --> 01:03:30,789 He was just killing it. Who gives a shit? 1062 01:03:31,557 --> 01:03:33,524 I still use a lot of the tricks 1063 01:03:33,526 --> 01:03:37,194 that I learned from Earl, still to this day. 1064 01:03:43,668 --> 01:03:46,202 I listen to Nevermind and there's little 1065 01:03:46,204 --> 01:03:48,904 fills here and there that I took from Earl. 1066 01:03:48,906 --> 01:03:51,406 Listen to How Low Can A Punk Get 1067 01:03:51,408 --> 01:03:54,742 from that Rat Music for Rat People compilation. 1068 01:03:54,744 --> 01:03:58,545 And listen to the intro of Smells Like Teen Spirit. 1069 01:04:07,420 --> 01:04:10,255 They're not exactly the same but it's close. 1070 01:04:10,257 --> 01:04:11,856 And that's where I learned how to do it. 1071 01:04:11,858 --> 01:04:15,960 So they're a huge influence on the whole band. 1072 01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:28,204 London, England. 1073 01:04:34,911 --> 01:04:38,813 This is one of the most famous clubs in the world 1074 01:04:38,815 --> 01:04:40,915 where we'll be performing tonight. 1075 01:04:40,917 --> 01:04:43,183 I mean, we're talking about a place where 1076 01:04:43,185 --> 01:04:46,686 brothers and sisters came to see... 1077 01:04:46,688 --> 01:04:49,722 James Brown, Deep Funk, 1078 01:04:49,724 --> 01:04:51,757 and Madonna. 1079 01:04:57,995 --> 01:05:01,163 A'ight, a'ight, a'ight. Respect. 1080 01:05:01,165 --> 01:05:02,597 Good to see you all. 1081 01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,099 What's going on, Don? 1082 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,533 Bad Brains tonight. 1083 01:05:06,535 --> 01:05:09,569 That's about it for me. That's enough from me. 1084 01:05:09,571 --> 01:05:11,070 Bad Brains, man. 1085 01:05:11,072 --> 01:05:13,439 There's no one else that you can really hold up 1086 01:05:13,441 --> 01:05:13,906 and say, "Yes, 1087 01:05:13,908 --> 01:05:16,475 "this is an example of the punk thing 1088 01:05:16,477 --> 01:05:19,444 "having an effect on some brothers." 1089 01:05:19,446 --> 01:05:21,746 You know, people that weren't prepared to be 1090 01:05:21,748 --> 01:05:23,114 defined by their color. 1091 01:05:23,116 --> 01:05:26,617 Bad Brains are the Sex Pistols of America. 1092 01:05:26,619 --> 01:05:29,286 I mean what the Pistols did for the UK scene, 1093 01:05:29,288 --> 01:05:32,889 Bad Brains undoubtedly did for the American scene. 1094 01:05:32,891 --> 01:05:37,126 Ask the Chili Peppers. Ask the Beastie Boys. 1095 01:05:37,128 --> 01:05:38,460 Ask Black Flag. 1096 01:05:38,462 --> 01:05:41,029 Ask Fugazi, man, and countless others. 1097 01:05:41,031 --> 01:05:44,832 It's undeniable. I mean, a really incredible band. 1098 01:05:44,834 --> 01:05:46,466 And really individual. 1099 01:05:46,468 --> 01:05:48,901 The best is yet to come. 1100 01:05:58,244 --> 01:06:02,046 I haven't had anything to smoke since yesterday. 1101 01:06:02,147 --> 01:06:04,848 I guess I better get another key. 1102 01:06:05,082 --> 01:06:08,217 I have no idea how to get ahold of the bus driver. 1103 01:06:08,219 --> 01:06:10,219 You know how to get back to the hotel? 1104 01:06:10,221 --> 01:06:12,287 Do you have anything written down? 1105 01:06:12,289 --> 01:06:14,622 So the bus driver's not at the bus. 1106 01:06:14,624 --> 01:06:16,023 I don't have the bus driver's number. 1107 01:06:16,025 --> 01:06:17,824 I guess it's probably in my itinerary. 1108 01:06:17,826 --> 01:06:22,628 I know, but he also locked... There's also a physical lock. 1109 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:24,663 Key lock that he actually set. 1110 01:06:24,665 --> 01:06:26,631 'Cause the door won't open. 1111 01:06:32,537 --> 01:06:35,472 Hi, boys and girls. Hi, everybody. 1112 01:06:35,474 --> 01:06:38,875 Oh, thank you so much for your patience and cooperation. 1113 01:06:38,877 --> 01:06:44,313 We'll have the show starting as soon as possible here now 1114 01:06:44,315 --> 01:06:46,315 in the Netherlands. 1115 01:07:13,876 --> 01:07:16,978 This guy's a joke, all right? 1116 01:07:17,646 --> 01:07:19,580 This guy's a joke, okay? 1117 01:07:19,582 --> 01:07:21,582 I'm telling you now. I'm not you. 1118 01:07:21,584 --> 01:07:24,217 You can't come to me doing that shit. 1119 01:07:24,219 --> 01:07:25,718 Fuck that, man. 1120 01:07:43,769 --> 01:07:46,137 They throwing shit on the stage. 1121 01:07:50,609 --> 01:07:52,710 They suck. 1122 01:08:44,129 --> 01:08:47,231 We got hooked up with this cat Ron Saint Germain, 1123 01:08:47,233 --> 01:08:49,299 supposed to be, like, work with Hendrix. 1124 01:08:49,301 --> 01:08:51,668 Very technical dude in the studio. 1125 01:08:51,670 --> 01:08:54,804 He really just wanted to capture 1126 01:08:54,806 --> 01:08:58,340 the band as the band. 1127 01:09:10,853 --> 01:09:13,754 Ron had the idea of going to Long View. 1128 01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:18,024 It's a great magical situation 1129 01:09:18,026 --> 01:09:20,393 to come away from the city 1130 01:09:20,395 --> 01:09:22,695 and go to Springfield, Massachusetts, 1131 01:09:22,697 --> 01:09:25,898 in the middle of real cow country. 1132 01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:37,275 Doc and Darryl, and Earl, for that matter, 1133 01:09:37,277 --> 01:09:40,111 were so inspired, they were always shooting 1134 01:09:40,113 --> 01:09:42,213 what I call shooting from the hip, you know. 1135 01:09:42,215 --> 01:09:45,382 Not unlike Hendrix who also played from the heart 1136 01:09:45,384 --> 01:09:46,816 and from the hip. 1137 01:09:48,285 --> 01:09:49,585 So we'd do five or six takes. 1138 01:09:49,587 --> 01:09:51,420 I couldn't run HR through that. 1139 01:09:51,422 --> 01:09:55,157 Because vocally, it's such a demanding album that 1140 01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:57,526 there would have been no voice whatsoever. 1141 01:09:57,528 --> 01:10:00,762 And he tells me Sunday afternoon, he says, 1142 01:10:00,764 --> 01:10:03,831 "Well, Ron, I kinda gotta go 1143 01:10:03,833 --> 01:10:06,733 "in a couple of hours," and I said, "What do you mean?" 1144 01:10:06,735 --> 01:10:09,502 He says, "Yeah, I gotta go to D.C." I said, 1145 01:10:09,504 --> 01:10:11,871 "What for?" And he says, "Well, 1146 01:10:11,873 --> 01:10:13,672 "I gotta go to jail." 1147 01:10:14,907 --> 01:10:17,074 Right before we went to record this, 1148 01:10:17,076 --> 01:10:21,845 HR got busted in D.C. with a bunch of pot. 1149 01:10:22,313 --> 01:10:23,479 He ended up getting some time, 1150 01:10:23,481 --> 01:10:26,114 like six months or something like that. 1151 01:10:26,116 --> 01:10:28,616 So we were kind of pinched. 1152 01:10:28,618 --> 01:10:31,285 We had enough time, we had two hours so... 1153 01:10:31,287 --> 01:10:33,086 I basically just said, "Run down, 1154 01:10:33,088 --> 01:10:34,487 "give me two takes on each song." 1155 01:10:34,489 --> 01:10:36,489 I finished the recording with HR 1156 01:10:36,491 --> 01:10:40,159 and then he had to go serve three or four months. 1157 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,361 And I had the one song which 1158 01:10:43,363 --> 01:10:45,262 wasn't finished, Sacred Love. 1159 01:10:45,264 --> 01:10:46,830 They just didn't have the vocal 1160 01:10:46,832 --> 01:10:48,431 on that particular song. 1161 01:10:48,433 --> 01:10:50,833 And Ron was just like, I saw he was like 1162 01:10:50,835 --> 01:10:54,002 brainstorming. It's like, "What we gonna do? How we gonna do this?" 1163 01:10:54,004 --> 01:10:59,173 You know, he was like, "Well, you know Johnny Cash did a record in jail." 1164 01:11:01,943 --> 01:11:04,711 Took almost two months to arrange 1165 01:11:04,713 --> 01:11:09,382 for HR to get to a payphone in the D.C. jail. 1166 01:11:09,384 --> 01:11:11,050 He'd gotten to be one of the guys who gets 1167 01:11:11,052 --> 01:11:14,520 to sweep up and he got to be near the payphone 1168 01:11:14,522 --> 01:11:15,787 when nobody else was around. 1169 01:11:15,789 --> 01:11:18,189 Ron had him unscrew the mouthpiece 1170 01:11:18,191 --> 01:11:19,957 and hold it up like a microphone 1171 01:11:19,959 --> 01:11:24,161 and hold the headset part so he wouldn't get feedback. 1172 01:11:24,163 --> 01:11:26,229 Early on in the session I can hear 1173 01:11:26,231 --> 01:11:28,731 he's kind of messing around with something. 1174 01:11:28,733 --> 01:11:31,834 And I said, "HR, what are you doing, man?" 1175 01:11:32,101 --> 01:11:33,201 He says, 1176 01:11:33,203 --> 01:11:34,936 "I'm getting high." 1177 01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:35,669 The story is, 1178 01:11:35,671 --> 01:11:37,637 he used to always carry his Bible with him. 1179 01:11:37,639 --> 01:11:41,641 He used to always open his Bible and then he'd clean 1180 01:11:41,643 --> 01:11:44,944 his herb on the title page. 1181 01:11:44,946 --> 01:11:47,613 So over the years this title page 1182 01:11:47,615 --> 01:11:49,982 is black with resin. 1183 01:11:49,984 --> 01:11:54,286 He ripped that page out, rolled it up and sparked it. 1184 01:11:54,288 --> 01:11:56,454 So he's smoking the Bible. 1185 01:11:56,456 --> 01:11:59,824 ♪ Sacred love 1186 01:12:01,459 --> 01:12:03,726 ♪ Sacred love 1187 01:12:05,595 --> 01:12:07,929 ♪ Sacred love 1188 01:12:09,731 --> 01:12:12,065 ♪ Sacred love ♪ 1189 01:12:13,233 --> 01:12:16,201 And he did a couple, two, three takes 1190 01:12:16,203 --> 01:12:17,569 and that was it. It was tremendous. 1191 01:12:17,571 --> 01:12:23,775 All the guys down one of the tiers could hear him singing, 1192 01:12:23,777 --> 01:12:25,443 so it was pretty amazing 1193 01:12:25,445 --> 01:12:27,745 he was able to get away with it. 1194 01:12:27,747 --> 01:12:31,749 ♪ I'm in here, you're out there 1195 01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:35,819 ♪ We know what's right 1196 01:12:36,287 --> 01:12:40,056 ♪ No crying, no lying 1197 01:12:40,424 --> 01:12:43,759 ♪ Our hearts declared ♪ 1198 01:13:09,651 --> 01:13:12,319 We're basically on the west side of New York. 1199 01:13:12,321 --> 01:13:15,221 First punk show I've ever seen on a boat. 1200 01:13:15,223 --> 01:13:16,088 Seeing one of the legends of 1201 01:13:16,090 --> 01:13:17,789 American hardcore, the Bad Brains. 1202 01:13:17,791 --> 01:13:22,059 Really looking forward to it. These guys are our guys, man. 1203 01:13:28,066 --> 01:13:30,867 I didn't ever listen to punk rock music 1204 01:13:30,869 --> 01:13:32,835 until I went to my dad's show. 1205 01:13:32,837 --> 01:13:35,037 And I was like, "Oh, my God, this is amazing." 1206 01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:36,605 And then I got really into it. 1207 01:13:36,607 --> 01:13:39,307 And I was like, this is the best band ever. 1208 01:13:39,309 --> 01:13:41,375 It's like a whole experience, like, going there. 1209 01:13:41,377 --> 01:13:43,276 I explain it to some of my friends, like, 1210 01:13:43,278 --> 01:13:46,145 "Dude, you see the Bad Brains perform, 1211 01:13:46,147 --> 01:13:49,248 "and you're just like blown away." 1212 01:13:54,087 --> 01:13:58,857 It's so special, I get look and hear all the people like, "Amazing," 1213 01:13:58,859 --> 01:14:02,327 around me and I just have that little gem inside 1214 01:14:02,329 --> 01:14:04,295 like, "That's my dad." 1215 01:14:04,297 --> 01:14:07,031 Proud feeling. It's good. 1216 01:14:38,797 --> 01:14:41,165 Now, I did talk with, um, 1217 01:14:41,167 --> 01:14:42,399 his friend. 1218 01:14:42,401 --> 01:14:44,501 The other president. What's his name? 1219 01:14:44,503 --> 01:14:47,904 Charlton Heston. Remember Charlton Heston? 1220 01:14:47,906 --> 01:14:52,675 You know, the one who did the movie Ben Hur, you know, the Bible, 1221 01:14:52,677 --> 01:14:56,245 and those other movies. Anyway, his daughter 1222 01:14:56,247 --> 01:15:00,515 assured me that Paris and the others, 1223 01:15:00,517 --> 01:15:01,449 remember Paris Hilton, 1224 01:15:01,451 --> 01:15:04,385 they're gonna keep up the good work, okay? 1225 01:15:04,387 --> 01:15:06,720 So I'll see you later, all right. 1226 01:15:06,722 --> 01:15:07,954 All right, God bless you. 1227 01:15:07,956 --> 01:15:12,058 Thank you for coming to the show. Rastafari. 1228 01:15:15,962 --> 01:15:18,330 What just happened? 1229 01:15:21,634 --> 01:15:28,006 I honestly hope that HR consistently finds inner peace, you know. 1230 01:15:28,008 --> 01:15:29,707 You know, he's touched with that thing, 1231 01:15:29,709 --> 01:15:32,576 he's touched with that extraordinary... 1232 01:15:32,578 --> 01:15:35,478 "Genius" is an overused word, 1233 01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:36,879 but he is really one of a kind. 1234 01:15:36,881 --> 01:15:40,883 I mean, he is of a kind like Thelonious Monk, even though 1235 01:15:40,885 --> 01:15:42,084 people will holler and scream 1236 01:15:42,086 --> 01:15:46,555 but something so implacably original 1237 01:15:46,689 --> 01:15:49,590 that he is that thing. 1238 01:16:04,871 --> 01:16:09,040 HR wanted to start a new band called the Zion Train. 1239 01:16:09,042 --> 01:16:11,942 This was a band that was gonna do pure reggae. 1240 01:16:11,944 --> 01:16:15,145 And have a dancing chorus of girls. 1241 01:16:15,147 --> 01:16:16,613 Horn section. 1242 01:16:16,615 --> 01:16:18,348 It might have worked. 1243 01:16:19,817 --> 01:16:22,485 There was the whole Zion Train phase. 1244 01:16:22,487 --> 01:16:23,385 We'd go see the shows, 1245 01:16:23,387 --> 01:16:25,286 and appreciate what they're doing but was 1246 01:16:25,288 --> 01:16:27,788 not what we particularly wanted to see. 1247 01:16:29,824 --> 01:16:30,990 We went to CB's when they came out, 1248 01:16:30,992 --> 01:16:34,526 we were all psyched to see them and they just played a whole set of reggae. 1249 01:16:34,528 --> 01:16:36,394 It was just like... 1250 01:16:37,429 --> 01:16:39,863 What did I smoke this joint for? 1251 01:16:39,865 --> 01:16:41,331 Nothing. 1252 01:16:42,433 --> 01:16:43,433 When HR came to say 1253 01:16:43,435 --> 01:16:45,368 we was going to be called Zion Train, 1254 01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:46,202 I wasn't really feeling that. 1255 01:16:46,204 --> 01:16:49,438 And I was thinking 'cause I loved my Bad Brains in the 1256 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:52,441 unit that we had and I wasn't really into it. 1257 01:16:52,443 --> 01:16:53,742 We're all brothers, you know. 1258 01:16:53,744 --> 01:16:56,010 We all grew up and went to junior high school 1259 01:16:56,012 --> 01:16:57,778 and high school together and all that, you know. 1260 01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:01,148 It's a family, so you know you get tired of your brothers. 1261 01:17:01,150 --> 01:17:04,017 So you gotta take a little break. 1262 01:17:05,252 --> 01:17:05,985 You know? 1263 01:17:05,987 --> 01:17:08,787 The band broke up soon after that. 1264 01:17:08,789 --> 01:17:10,989 Human Rights are HR's band. 1265 01:17:10,991 --> 01:17:13,391 He did that immediately when he left. 1266 01:17:13,393 --> 01:17:16,494 And the band got back together in '85, '86 1267 01:17:16,496 --> 01:17:19,663 and broke up again sometime in '87. 1268 01:17:19,665 --> 01:17:20,563 HR needed a drummer. 1269 01:17:20,565 --> 01:17:21,764 If Bad Brains wasn't going to happen, 1270 01:17:21,766 --> 01:17:25,400 Earl was gonna go with HR and play drums there. 1271 01:17:29,371 --> 01:17:30,637 I was a fan of the band so... 1272 01:17:30,639 --> 01:17:33,673 And I wanted to be in the band, to be in my favorite band, 1273 01:17:33,675 --> 01:17:37,910 but to be in the band with someone other than HR didn't seem right, 1274 01:17:37,912 --> 01:17:40,879 but kids were... They were into it, anyway. 1275 01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:43,681 The Brains is not one person. 1276 01:17:43,683 --> 01:17:46,417 The Brains is the works of a father. 1277 01:17:46,419 --> 01:17:48,886 "Darryl," I said, "Let's try out some 1278 01:17:48,888 --> 01:17:52,923 "other singers, 'cause we gotta do what we gotta do, you know." 1279 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,761 Chuck Mosley from Faith No More sang 1280 01:17:58,763 --> 01:18:01,797 for maybe a year or something, you know. 1281 01:18:01,799 --> 01:18:04,366 We did some short tours. 1282 01:18:06,302 --> 01:18:07,902 We ended up getting this guy, Taj 1283 01:18:07,904 --> 01:18:11,205 and they ended up calling it the Bad Brains and using Taj 1284 01:18:11,207 --> 01:18:12,839 and playing a couple of those tunes 1285 01:18:12,841 --> 01:18:16,676 and we did some short tours with him singing. 1286 01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,490 Quickness was recorded with... When the band was kind of broken up. 1287 01:18:31,492 --> 01:18:33,692 Taj was supposed to sing on it. 1288 01:18:33,694 --> 01:18:35,093 And it just never came together. 1289 01:18:35,095 --> 01:18:37,562 And right at that point it always would happen. 1290 01:18:37,564 --> 01:18:40,865 I mean HR would probably hear on the... 1291 01:18:40,932 --> 01:18:41,765 Grapevine, 1292 01:18:41,767 --> 01:18:44,134 that we were recording a record. 1293 01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:45,068 So he checked in, like, 1294 01:18:45,070 --> 01:18:48,438 "I hear that you're working on a new record." 1295 01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,073 And Darryl brought him a cassette, 1296 01:18:51,075 --> 01:18:54,843 the tracks that we'd recorded that had no vocals. 1297 01:18:54,845 --> 01:18:58,446 HR sat in this hotel room for two days 1298 01:18:58,448 --> 01:19:00,714 and after two days, 1299 01:19:00,716 --> 01:19:03,083 he was like, "Okay, I'm ready." 1300 01:19:03,317 --> 01:19:07,053 He'd written all the lyrics that became Quickness. 1301 01:19:14,161 --> 01:19:16,929 They got the band back together and they toured again 1302 01:19:16,931 --> 01:19:19,264 and I think he lasted maybe a month again 1303 01:19:19,266 --> 01:19:21,933 before he decided to go off and 1304 01:19:21,935 --> 01:19:24,402 he didn't tour the band again. 1305 01:19:29,574 --> 01:19:30,707 It's gotten to be a habit. 1306 01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:32,709 So now he's quit the band three times, 1307 01:19:32,711 --> 01:19:35,945 it's gotten to be a pattern with HR. 1308 01:19:44,486 --> 01:19:48,388 This chick was at our audition and said, "I know 1309 01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:51,224 "the dude that's supposed to sing for y'all." 1310 01:19:55,696 --> 01:19:58,364 I was at about 21 at this time. 1311 01:19:58,366 --> 01:20:00,966 I get a phone call and it's Darryl. 1312 01:20:00,968 --> 01:20:01,866 "No, you can't be serious." 1313 01:20:01,868 --> 01:20:03,734 He said, "Yeah, this is Darryl Jenifer. 1314 01:20:03,736 --> 01:20:07,337 "What's going on, man? So I heard you sing, you know. 1315 01:20:07,339 --> 01:20:11,674 "I'd like you to come on up to Woodstock and jam with us." 1316 01:20:11,676 --> 01:20:14,576 Turns out he knew a lot of our songs the first day. 1317 01:20:14,578 --> 01:20:15,677 Soon as we hit off to play 1318 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,712 any of our covers he knew them right away. 1319 01:20:17,714 --> 01:20:19,346 And when we heard him we were really excited. 1320 01:20:19,348 --> 01:20:20,747 He was perfect. In the beginning, 1321 01:20:20,749 --> 01:20:23,116 there was so much excitement for the whole thing. 1322 01:20:23,118 --> 01:20:26,619 We went out on the road for like three years. 1323 01:20:26,621 --> 01:20:30,222 And we spread Rastafari message all over the Earth. 1324 01:20:38,231 --> 01:20:40,365 Israel's so easy to work with. 1325 01:20:40,367 --> 01:20:41,999 So easy to be with and travel with. 1326 01:20:42,001 --> 01:20:45,435 Everything about him was just, it was just magic that way. 1327 01:20:45,437 --> 01:20:49,605 He was not HR, but he did a credible job. 1328 01:20:49,607 --> 01:20:52,341 But, you know, it's like, who can replace Mick Jagger? 1329 01:20:52,343 --> 01:20:54,276 Who can replace John Lennon? 1330 01:21:05,688 --> 01:21:08,022 By March '94, 1331 01:21:08,024 --> 01:21:09,490 I got a call from Yauch, 1332 01:21:09,492 --> 01:21:12,559 saying that we should get back together. 1333 01:21:12,561 --> 01:21:13,626 He was in LA, saw HR. 1334 01:21:13,628 --> 01:21:15,294 You know, he's being like a friend. "Come on, man, 1335 01:21:15,296 --> 01:21:16,495 "you guys, what's you guys' problems?" 1336 01:21:16,497 --> 01:21:18,663 I'm saying HR's getting on my nerves. 1337 01:21:18,665 --> 01:21:20,498 He saying, "I'll deal with the fussy problems." 1338 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,899 I said "Yo, if you see HR, and he wanna do it, 1339 01:21:21,901 --> 01:21:25,302 "a lot of things go down like that. It's cool, tell him to call me." 1340 01:21:25,304 --> 01:21:26,636 So next thing you know, my phone rings, 1341 01:21:26,638 --> 01:21:28,004 he's like, "Oh, hi Darryl, this is HR, 1342 01:21:28,006 --> 01:21:30,373 "everything's smooth out here, I'm okay. 1343 01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:31,640 "I met this guy at a show 1344 01:21:31,642 --> 01:21:33,274 "that want to make a record with us. 1345 01:21:33,276 --> 01:21:36,243 "His name is Guy Oseary, you should call him." 1346 01:21:36,245 --> 01:21:37,911 Turns out it's Maverick, it's Madonna, 1347 01:21:37,913 --> 01:21:39,712 and they want to sign us, they want to sign us fast. 1348 01:21:39,714 --> 01:21:43,949 It feel like something... Like they'd better get it poppin', quick. 1349 01:21:43,951 --> 01:21:45,750 And the deal was a great deal. 1350 01:21:45,752 --> 01:21:48,052 It was so in the band's interest. 1351 01:21:48,853 --> 01:21:50,553 I mean, they'd really come around on 1352 01:21:50,555 --> 01:21:52,454 almost every single point. 1353 01:21:52,456 --> 01:21:55,323 I mean, they went into motion like a... 1354 01:21:55,325 --> 01:21:57,525 Like a, like a President, like a White House 1355 01:21:57,527 --> 01:21:59,860 or something, shit was like, contracts, lawyers... 1356 01:21:59,862 --> 01:22:02,229 Everything just appeared like... 1357 01:22:02,231 --> 01:22:06,433 You know what I mean, it was just like an operating table. 1358 01:22:07,134 --> 01:22:09,502 We signed the deal and we got a little money and 1359 01:22:09,504 --> 01:22:12,037 we got put up in Beverly Hills and 1360 01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:13,705 we made the record. 1361 01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,048 One of my favorite records at that time was 1362 01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:26,483 the debut Weezer album 1363 01:22:26,485 --> 01:22:28,117 which Ric Ocasek produced. 1364 01:22:33,922 --> 01:22:35,222 And of course he produced my favorite 1365 01:22:35,224 --> 01:22:37,490 Bad Brains album, which was Rock for Life. 1366 01:22:37,492 --> 01:22:39,091 And I thought, you know, 1367 01:22:39,093 --> 01:22:40,926 just let me call this guy 1368 01:22:40,928 --> 01:22:43,895 and maybe see if he'll produce it. 1369 01:22:43,897 --> 01:22:46,864 HR never came to a rehearsal. 1370 01:22:47,765 --> 01:22:49,565 I was taking him to his first rehearsal 1371 01:22:49,567 --> 01:22:51,133 after they already rehearsed for a week 1372 01:22:51,135 --> 01:22:52,400 and when we got to the rehearsal area 1373 01:22:52,402 --> 01:22:54,769 there was a graveyard across the street from it. 1374 01:22:54,771 --> 01:22:57,071 He wouldn't even go near the rehearsal hall. 1375 01:22:57,073 --> 01:22:59,473 I had to take him all the way back home. 1376 01:22:59,475 --> 01:23:00,574 He wouldn't even like set foot in it 1377 01:23:00,576 --> 01:23:03,243 because it was across the street from a graveyard. 1378 01:23:03,245 --> 01:23:06,279 He said, "I don't wanna, I don't wanna rehearse, 1379 01:23:06,346 --> 01:23:08,547 "you know, by the dead." 1380 01:23:08,549 --> 01:23:11,683 But when he came in the studio to do the stuff, 1381 01:23:11,685 --> 01:23:13,184 he nailed it every time. 1382 01:23:13,186 --> 01:23:15,753 He was doing like seven-part harmonies. 1383 01:23:15,755 --> 01:23:19,356 You know like, right on top of each other. 1384 01:23:19,358 --> 01:23:21,257 Perfect every time. 1385 01:23:41,211 --> 01:23:43,145 When we gave them their advance for the album, 1386 01:23:43,147 --> 01:23:45,914 I got a phone call from a car dealership 1387 01:23:45,916 --> 01:23:47,282 and the guy wanted to talk to me. 1388 01:23:47,284 --> 01:23:49,784 He's with HR at a car dealership. 1389 01:23:49,786 --> 01:23:50,451 So I pick up and I said, 1390 01:23:50,453 --> 01:23:55,289 "Hi," and he goes, "Oh, I just want to verify, this guy really is 1391 01:23:55,291 --> 01:23:58,592 "a musician and he really is, you know, has the money." 1392 01:23:58,594 --> 01:24:01,394 "Yeah, we just paid him an advance, he's got some, 1393 01:24:01,396 --> 01:24:04,463 "some money, he's on this record label." 1394 01:24:04,465 --> 01:24:06,598 And he said, "Okay cool, thank you." 1395 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:07,665 And I said, "Whoa! Wait." I go... 1396 01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:10,801 "Out of curiosity, what's he buying?" 1397 01:24:10,803 --> 01:24:15,539 And he said, I think it was a 1980 limo. 1398 01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:17,240 A limousine? 1399 01:24:17,708 --> 01:24:20,042 So um, 1400 01:24:20,343 --> 01:24:22,243 I said, "Can you put him on the phone?" 1401 01:24:22,245 --> 01:24:23,477 He puts HR on the phone, 1402 01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:28,381 I go, "HR! You're buying a 1980 limo?" 1403 01:24:28,383 --> 01:24:30,182 And he said, "Yeah." 1404 01:24:30,184 --> 01:24:32,651 I said, "Really?" He goes, "It's beautiful." 1405 01:24:32,653 --> 01:24:36,321 And I said "Really? Who's gonna drive you?" 1406 01:24:36,323 --> 01:24:38,690 He said, "Scotty." 1407 01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:40,692 Scotty is a guy who works at my company 1408 01:24:40,694 --> 01:24:43,127 who drove him to the car dealership. 1409 01:24:43,428 --> 01:24:46,096 The guy who works for us, with us, 1410 01:24:46,098 --> 01:24:48,298 who's not even... Just did me the favor 1411 01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:49,032 to take him to the dealership. 1412 01:24:49,034 --> 01:24:51,534 Now he thinks he's gonna drive him in a limo everywhere. 1413 01:24:51,536 --> 01:24:55,404 HR's behavior started to become increasingly bizarre. 1414 01:24:55,406 --> 01:24:56,938 And all these things that went down 1415 01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:58,239 and the particulars involved in this 1416 01:24:58,241 --> 01:25:01,141 particular advent of our careers is very entertaining. 1417 01:25:01,143 --> 01:25:03,376 There's no way I can get into the different particulars 1418 01:25:03,378 --> 01:25:05,945 but it's some of the most entertaining 1419 01:25:05,947 --> 01:25:09,682 particulars that you will ever hear about a rock band. 1420 01:25:09,684 --> 01:25:11,684 Bad Brains going to LA 1421 01:25:11,686 --> 01:25:12,551 on Maverick Records. 1422 01:25:12,553 --> 01:25:15,787 I remember, one day he walked in with a dead fish 1423 01:25:15,789 --> 01:25:17,088 in a bra. 1424 01:25:17,422 --> 01:25:21,258 And cooked the fish in the Maverick kitchen 1425 01:25:21,492 --> 01:25:24,126 and left it there, after he cooked it. 1426 01:25:24,128 --> 01:25:25,861 And then just left. 1427 01:25:26,562 --> 01:25:30,531 When we were at Maverick, we actually got him a... 1428 01:25:30,533 --> 01:25:32,499 He got him one meeting with a, 1429 01:25:32,501 --> 01:25:34,968 you know, a doctor to the stars. 1430 01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:39,038 But you know, he's... He's not cooperative. 1431 01:25:39,539 --> 01:25:41,573 No one had ever warned me 1432 01:25:41,774 --> 01:25:42,974 about anything. 1433 01:25:42,976 --> 01:25:45,009 No one ever warned me that 1434 01:25:45,011 --> 01:25:46,643 HR had 1435 01:25:46,645 --> 01:25:49,612 probably schizophrenia, I mean, I don't know that 1436 01:25:49,614 --> 01:25:54,750 if it's medical or, I mean, I'm not sure, but to me it's... 1437 01:25:54,752 --> 01:25:57,219 No one had warned be that there is this other 1438 01:25:57,221 --> 01:25:59,254 character there somewhere. 1439 01:26:11,567 --> 01:26:14,936 We were lucky enough that the Beastie Boys 1440 01:26:14,938 --> 01:26:17,471 put the Bad Brains on their tour. 1441 01:26:20,141 --> 01:26:22,242 Opening night, 1442 01:26:22,244 --> 01:26:24,777 the tour, I was there with a colleague 1443 01:26:24,779 --> 01:26:26,912 and we were waiting for them to go on 1444 01:26:26,914 --> 01:26:28,813 and we were basically high-fiving each other. 1445 01:26:28,815 --> 01:26:31,715 Like, how amazing is this? We're on the Beastie Boys tour. 1446 01:26:31,717 --> 01:26:33,683 This is going to be you know, incredible, 1447 01:26:33,685 --> 01:26:37,086 and we really felt blessed to be part of this. 1448 01:26:37,088 --> 01:26:41,323 And five minutes of waiting turns into 10 minutes of waiting. 1449 01:26:41,325 --> 01:26:44,025 Turns into 30 minutes of waiting 1450 01:26:44,326 --> 01:26:46,160 and then we knew something was wrong. 1451 01:26:46,162 --> 01:26:47,895 HR would not come off the bus. 1452 01:26:47,897 --> 01:26:49,696 Well, he said that the 1453 01:26:49,698 --> 01:26:52,865 authorities and the general didn't address him 1454 01:26:52,867 --> 01:26:55,200 in the correct fashion and the order of... 1455 01:26:55,202 --> 01:26:57,235 I'm not even sure what he was talking about. 1456 01:26:57,237 --> 01:27:00,905 As I was walking him off the bus, he basically 1457 01:27:00,907 --> 01:27:04,074 started attacking people on the bus. 1458 01:27:12,249 --> 01:27:15,184 He attacked his brother and Anthony. 1459 01:27:19,756 --> 01:27:21,790 And I didn't have to go to the hospital 1460 01:27:21,792 --> 01:27:22,957 or anything like that. 1461 01:27:22,959 --> 01:27:24,725 They just kinda taped me up. 1462 01:27:26,562 --> 01:27:28,728 Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, 1463 01:27:28,730 --> 01:27:32,398 it was pretty intense, it was a brilliant attack. 1464 01:27:41,808 --> 01:27:45,510 He was like punching and I couldn't really punch him 1465 01:27:45,512 --> 01:27:47,111 because I didn't want to hurt him. 1466 01:27:47,113 --> 01:27:50,013 Because I wanted him to go on stage. 1467 01:27:50,015 --> 01:27:52,815 So, I can't... I'm not gonna bloody his nose. 1468 01:27:52,817 --> 01:27:53,649 He's gotta go on the stage. 1469 01:27:53,651 --> 01:27:56,018 Well, it was... You know, it's hard to even describe it, 1470 01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:58,887 it happened so fast, like, we were really excited, 1471 01:27:58,889 --> 01:28:01,422 being huge Bad Brains fans, to have them 1472 01:28:01,424 --> 01:28:05,058 on our shows, all of a sudden and next thing we hear is like 1473 01:28:05,060 --> 01:28:07,727 Bad Brains aren't gonna make the next state. 1474 01:28:07,729 --> 01:28:11,363 "Oh, why not?" "Oh, HR had some problems." 1475 01:28:11,997 --> 01:28:15,566 Basically, they said, "You can't come back to Toronto," 1476 01:28:15,568 --> 01:28:16,266 he was expelled 1477 01:28:16,268 --> 01:28:17,867 'cause they found some weed on him. 1478 01:28:17,869 --> 01:28:21,036 That's what got him in the most trouble, not even the fight. 1479 01:28:21,038 --> 01:28:25,106 And I saw him in a plane, he looked just happy-go-lucky. 1480 01:28:25,407 --> 01:28:28,375 And it was so funny, man, 'cause... 1481 01:28:28,377 --> 01:28:31,911 People is... They didn't know, was I losing my mind? 1482 01:28:31,913 --> 01:28:34,713 I wasn't talking to them, then who was I talking to, 1483 01:28:34,715 --> 01:28:35,280 the man in the mirror? 1484 01:28:35,282 --> 01:28:40,885 But see they crawl inside the walls and then hide in the cracks. 1485 01:28:40,887 --> 01:28:44,154 The snakes and spiders, you know, 1486 01:28:44,156 --> 01:28:46,523 and iguanas, and I hear 'em in there, 1487 01:28:46,525 --> 01:28:49,759 moving around and getting, you know, 1488 01:28:49,761 --> 01:28:51,560 information and... 1489 01:28:52,328 --> 01:28:56,931 Like I said, I'm grateful those days are over with. 1490 01:29:07,876 --> 01:29:08,976 Hi, everybody. 1491 01:29:08,978 --> 01:29:11,011 West Side. East Side... 1492 01:29:11,013 --> 01:29:12,512 All right. 1493 01:29:15,516 --> 01:29:17,383 Rastafari. 1494 01:29:18,718 --> 01:29:20,920 CBGB's was shutting down 1495 01:29:20,922 --> 01:29:22,988 and everybody in the band knew it was happening 1496 01:29:22,990 --> 01:29:25,023 and they knew that we really had to play. 1497 01:29:25,025 --> 01:29:27,091 And we had to go and play shows 1498 01:29:27,093 --> 01:29:29,426 at CB's, I mean, it was necessary. 1499 01:29:29,428 --> 01:29:31,361 Bad Brains'll fill the place so easily 1500 01:29:31,363 --> 01:29:33,563 and we'd done that before many times, 1501 01:29:33,565 --> 01:29:35,464 three nights in row. 1502 01:29:35,665 --> 01:29:37,799 I was actually in it for myself, 1503 01:29:37,801 --> 01:29:40,401 a real honor to be asked to 1504 01:29:41,736 --> 01:29:43,703 play there three nights. 1505 01:29:53,013 --> 01:29:54,980 This advent of our career is, 1506 01:29:54,982 --> 01:29:57,882 it's still like a little stressful, 1507 01:29:57,884 --> 01:29:59,483 a little, uh... 1508 01:29:59,485 --> 01:30:00,450 Unpredictable. 1509 01:30:00,452 --> 01:30:02,285 He had a helmet, which kind of upset me 1510 01:30:02,287 --> 01:30:05,921 and I thought it like, "What the fuck is this guy on?" 1511 01:30:09,624 --> 01:30:11,157 We had seen the helmet at rehearsal, 1512 01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:13,826 so it's like you know, you wanna wear it, that's cool. 1513 01:30:13,828 --> 01:30:16,628 But just don't wear it the whole night. 1514 01:30:16,729 --> 01:30:18,896 'Cause the wireless mike 1515 01:30:18,997 --> 01:30:19,496 in the helmet 1516 01:30:19,498 --> 01:30:22,932 was messing up the sound and it was feedback and... 1517 01:30:22,934 --> 01:30:25,868 There was feedback so that we couldn't even hear the amps and stuff. 1518 01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:29,071 At CB's when he put the motorcycle helmet on 1519 01:30:29,073 --> 01:30:31,540 and he had the fucking headset underneath 1520 01:30:31,542 --> 01:30:32,707 and then the thing, and he's singing 1521 01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:35,376 from the inside the fucking motorcycle helmet, 1522 01:30:35,378 --> 01:30:38,445 I mean, we were fuckin' dying, man. 1523 01:30:38,447 --> 01:30:41,381 The band was still the band, you know, 1524 01:30:41,383 --> 01:30:44,984 those are my great friends since I'm a little boy and then, 1525 01:30:44,986 --> 01:30:47,653 there's this guy on stage that's not 1526 01:30:47,655 --> 01:30:49,755 who he used to be... 1527 01:30:49,757 --> 01:30:52,424 Sometimes, it's scary HR might be acting a certain way, 1528 01:30:52,426 --> 01:30:55,660 like HR has got a lot of ways he can be. 1529 01:30:55,927 --> 01:30:58,061 There are times when what HR does 1530 01:30:58,063 --> 01:31:00,263 seems irrational to everybody. 1531 01:31:00,265 --> 01:31:02,231 But it has to do with something that's going on, 1532 01:31:02,233 --> 01:31:07,402 some kind of dynamic that's going on within his psyche 1533 01:31:07,404 --> 01:31:09,871 and his psyche is very important 1534 01:31:09,873 --> 01:31:14,242 to his creativity, and to this band's... 1535 01:31:15,677 --> 01:31:17,711 Amazing strength. 1536 01:31:30,458 --> 01:31:33,259 I know I'm not the son of God. 1537 01:31:33,261 --> 01:31:35,594 I'm not Lucifer, I'm not a demon, 1538 01:31:35,596 --> 01:31:39,364 I'm not the devil, I don't hate you. 1539 01:31:39,366 --> 01:31:42,166 Our objective, what we would like to do 1540 01:31:42,168 --> 01:31:46,103 is entertain, we're live here now 1541 01:31:46,437 --> 01:31:48,905 in a... On planet Earth. 1542 01:31:48,907 --> 01:31:51,207 Bad Brains! Bad Brains! 1543 01:31:51,209 --> 01:31:53,108 Bad Brains! Bad Brains! 1544 01:31:53,175 --> 01:31:54,475 Bad Brains! Bad Brains! 1545 01:31:54,477 --> 01:31:57,377 Bad Brains! Bad Brains! Bad Brains! 1546 01:31:57,379 --> 01:32:00,213 Bad Brains! Bad Brains! Bad Brains! 1547 01:32:00,215 --> 01:32:04,083 Bad Brains! Bad Brains! Bad Brains! 1548 01:32:17,163 --> 01:32:20,698 Oh, I think he was sabotaging shit a lot. 1549 01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:24,134 And that's what a lot of people seem to think too. 1550 01:32:24,301 --> 01:32:25,634 I mean, I've seen him like 1551 01:32:25,636 --> 01:32:27,502 almost laughing at the crowd like... 1552 01:32:27,504 --> 01:32:29,570 And if you don't wanna do it, then don't do it. 1553 01:32:29,572 --> 01:32:33,674 Don't charge the fans 20 bucks to get in to come to your show. 1554 01:32:33,676 --> 01:32:35,208 Stay the fuck home. 1555 01:32:35,210 --> 01:32:36,876 Thank you very much. 1556 01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:38,577 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1557 01:32:38,579 --> 01:32:41,346 Now, you wanna hear some more music? 1558 01:32:41,348 --> 01:32:44,349 Yes! That's good. 1559 01:32:44,351 --> 01:32:47,785 Oh, I'm boring now. Oh, okay. 1560 01:32:49,822 --> 01:32:53,723 Oh, I'm a sissy and a faggot, okay. 1561 01:32:55,926 --> 01:32:59,295 Anything else you want to remind us about 1562 01:32:59,496 --> 01:33:02,231 before we play the next song? 1563 01:33:03,633 --> 01:33:05,600 Well, okay, thank you. 1564 01:33:05,602 --> 01:33:06,901 I felt like 1565 01:33:06,903 --> 01:33:09,036 he was disrespecting 1566 01:33:09,737 --> 01:33:11,404 the audience. 1567 01:33:35,362 --> 01:33:38,297 In Chicago, I thought he was kind of slacking it 1568 01:33:38,299 --> 01:33:42,200 or half-assing it, or being a prick to the fans. 1569 01:33:47,271 --> 01:33:48,638 All right. 1570 01:33:53,876 --> 01:33:56,978 Aren't we having a divine time? 1571 01:34:07,655 --> 01:34:09,589 You don't wanna do it? 1572 01:34:10,591 --> 01:34:11,991 It's no good. 1573 01:34:12,225 --> 01:34:13,925 Point the cameras in there, this is it, 1574 01:34:13,927 --> 01:34:16,594 this is it, I can't believe it, all these years. 1575 01:34:16,596 --> 01:34:18,796 Finally get away from this shit. 1576 01:34:19,497 --> 01:34:21,998 Gave it my all, man. 1577 01:34:22,466 --> 01:34:23,966 You're a saboteur, kid. 1578 01:34:23,968 --> 01:34:26,902 I can't believe... You a sell-out, too, you a sell-out-ass nigga. 1579 01:34:26,904 --> 01:34:28,937 I been wanting to tell you this forever. 1580 01:34:28,939 --> 01:34:31,372 You a sell-out, man, I'm telling you. 1581 01:34:31,506 --> 01:34:32,105 Judas. 1582 01:34:32,107 --> 01:34:36,075 I got song for you called Black Judas, that's you. 1583 01:34:36,077 --> 01:34:37,276 So good luck with your life, man. 1584 01:34:37,278 --> 01:34:39,344 Don't be calling my house and shit, talking about 1585 01:34:39,346 --> 01:34:40,411 this and that and that and this 1586 01:34:40,413 --> 01:34:42,946 'cause I've see you coming to sabotage shit. 1587 01:34:42,948 --> 01:34:44,981 Play with you amateur-ass niggas, 1588 01:34:44,983 --> 01:34:46,215 and leave the pros alone, all right. 1589 01:34:46,217 --> 01:34:48,584 'Cause the pros will have... Don't give a fuck about you, 1590 01:34:48,586 --> 01:34:50,752 the pros hold that shit down. 1591 01:34:50,754 --> 01:34:52,353 I don't care about your little 1592 01:34:52,355 --> 01:34:54,888 runaway crackhead smiles and shit, man. 1593 01:34:54,890 --> 01:34:56,589 You're a sell-out, I'm telling you that. 1594 01:34:56,591 --> 01:34:59,592 Now, I hope I never have to see your ass again. 1595 01:34:59,594 --> 01:35:00,826 After tonight, you're done. 1596 01:35:00,828 --> 01:35:02,794 You don't have to make the people feel bad, 1597 01:35:02,796 --> 01:35:03,861 you don't have to make 1598 01:35:03,863 --> 01:35:06,897 the youth then feel bad, no more. 1599 01:35:06,899 --> 01:35:08,899 He's a sell-out, man. 1600 01:35:08,901 --> 01:35:09,833 Come on, man. 1601 01:35:09,835 --> 01:35:11,034 Fuck man, he's a sell-out. 1602 01:35:11,036 --> 01:35:13,970 He even sell you out. He's a sell-out, man. 1603 01:35:13,972 --> 01:35:15,738 Fucking Judas, man. 1604 01:35:15,839 --> 01:35:17,206 Bye, Judas. 1605 01:35:17,208 --> 01:35:18,674 Trying to sabotage much work. 1606 01:35:18,676 --> 01:35:20,108 We put in and nigga can't even act like 1607 01:35:20,110 --> 01:35:23,177 he don't want to play and this... Gonna sabotage shit? 1608 01:35:23,179 --> 01:35:23,777 That's what I told him. 1609 01:35:23,779 --> 01:35:26,045 I can see if you say, "You don't wanna play? Don't play." 1610 01:35:26,047 --> 01:35:28,247 Shouldn't come on stage like no pussy. 1611 01:35:28,249 --> 01:35:30,415 People there spending money and wanna see some energy 1612 01:35:30,417 --> 01:35:33,050 and have a good time. Trying to fuckin' overcompensate 1613 01:35:33,052 --> 01:35:34,918 by shaking people's hands and shit like, 1614 01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:36,085 "Oh, I'm into it, yeah." 1615 01:35:36,087 --> 01:35:38,253 Shit is no joke, man, when it comes to this shit. 1616 01:35:38,255 --> 01:35:41,155 I take this shit serious, 30 years, my whole life. 1617 01:35:41,157 --> 01:35:42,523 You know what I'm sayin'? My whole life. 1618 01:35:42,525 --> 01:35:44,658 You looking at a motherfucker 47 years old. 1619 01:35:44,660 --> 01:35:47,661 I've been doing this shit since I was fucking 17, 18, 1620 01:35:47,663 --> 01:35:49,629 I couldn't even sign a fucking contract 1621 01:35:49,631 --> 01:35:50,796 to play in a fucking band. 1622 01:35:50,798 --> 01:35:52,931 I don't want him puttin' me or none of the others through this shit. 1623 01:35:52,933 --> 01:35:55,500 No, of course not. Fuck that shit, we gonna make good music. 1624 01:35:55,502 --> 01:35:57,301 We gonna get Israel to come back and blow shit up. 1625 01:35:57,303 --> 01:36:00,737 All them motherfuckers be leaving here, tripped the fuck out. 1626 01:36:10,848 --> 01:36:12,148 Judas. 1627 01:36:40,343 --> 01:36:42,010 Sunfrost. 1628 01:36:42,711 --> 01:36:44,511 There's several. You want potting soil. 1629 01:36:44,513 --> 01:36:46,779 There's a lot of different varieties. 1630 01:36:46,781 --> 01:36:48,514 They range from 1631 01:36:48,648 --> 01:36:52,017 2.99 to 5.99. 1632 01:36:56,022 --> 01:36:57,455 $43.09. 1633 01:36:57,457 --> 01:36:59,490 I used to always shop here. 1634 01:36:59,492 --> 01:37:01,625 'Cause this is the place to be. 1635 01:37:01,759 --> 01:37:02,792 As you can see. 1636 01:37:02,794 --> 01:37:04,460 When did I start working here? 1637 01:37:04,462 --> 01:37:08,797 Um, I'm guessing around 1990 or even... 1638 01:37:09,064 --> 01:37:10,431 Even '89. 1639 01:37:10,433 --> 01:37:13,133 There's Gary and I right there. 1640 01:37:14,735 --> 01:37:15,634 Dos amigos. 1641 01:37:15,636 --> 01:37:17,636 Gary is in the absolute center 1642 01:37:17,638 --> 01:37:19,671 of that picture next to me. 1643 01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:23,373 Right, I saw that. 1644 01:37:24,241 --> 01:37:26,775 Gary's been instrumental in 1645 01:37:26,777 --> 01:37:31,379 bringing the forefront of the food consciousness 1646 01:37:31,381 --> 01:37:33,848 because of his own knowledge and awareness. 1647 01:37:33,850 --> 01:37:39,954 Gary is such an important part of our life, that... 1648 01:37:39,956 --> 01:37:41,922 He's the only person that we can trust 1649 01:37:41,924 --> 01:37:45,191 with our business and when we go away, 1650 01:37:45,325 --> 01:37:46,391 he's the man. 1651 01:37:46,393 --> 01:37:49,127 Since he's been gone, back on tour, 1652 01:37:49,596 --> 01:37:50,596 we haven't had a vacation, 1653 01:37:50,598 --> 01:37:55,367 'cause we don't have that trust with anyone but Gary. 1654 01:37:55,701 --> 01:37:58,736 No pun intended, but people that are in the know 1655 01:37:58,738 --> 01:38:01,271 are beside themselves, when they find out 1656 01:38:01,273 --> 01:38:03,573 or figure out or learn that 1657 01:38:03,575 --> 01:38:06,309 he's here and or who he is. 1658 01:38:08,945 --> 01:38:09,778 Cool thing about golf, 1659 01:38:09,780 --> 01:38:11,546 it teach you about a lot of things. 1660 01:38:11,548 --> 01:38:13,347 Teach you about yourself. 1661 01:38:14,415 --> 01:38:16,916 No, bad swing. 1662 01:38:16,918 --> 01:38:18,517 Goin' in the pond. 1663 01:38:18,519 --> 01:38:19,251 See, I... 1664 01:38:19,253 --> 01:38:22,320 Look where I hit it, almost out of bounds. 1665 01:38:23,088 --> 01:38:25,856 A guy the other day, like I was at another golf course, 1666 01:38:25,858 --> 01:38:28,158 and his niece and them were there and they were like, 1667 01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,760 "Oh, that's Darryl from the Bad Brains." 1668 01:38:30,961 --> 01:38:31,527 And uh, 1669 01:38:31,529 --> 01:38:34,096 they didn't want to ask me, you know... 1670 01:38:34,098 --> 01:38:35,831 They think out here on a golf course, 1671 01:38:35,833 --> 01:38:37,966 that you don't want to be bothered. 1672 01:38:37,968 --> 01:38:38,733 It's no big deal, you know, 1673 01:38:38,735 --> 01:38:41,335 this is kind of confusing, I'm confusing to begin with 1674 01:38:41,337 --> 01:38:42,336 to be the dread out here. 1675 01:38:42,338 --> 01:38:44,805 Then when you finally realize, I'm on some rock shit, 1676 01:38:44,807 --> 01:38:49,676 they just probably say, "Man, that Darryl Jenifer is all over the fucking place." 1677 01:38:50,277 --> 01:38:53,445 So look like I've missed this one behind the green. 1678 01:38:53,979 --> 01:38:55,913 What I'm gonna do is, 1679 01:38:56,180 --> 01:38:58,681 try to use my short game skills. 1680 01:38:59,416 --> 01:39:02,217 See, if I can chip it in down there. 1681 01:39:28,811 --> 01:39:30,945 Me and Doc would try to like bring other people 1682 01:39:30,947 --> 01:39:33,213 into the picture, but Bad Brains chemistry 1683 01:39:33,215 --> 01:39:33,947 is the original members. 1684 01:39:33,949 --> 01:39:37,183 The music that we made with other cats is good, too. 1685 01:39:37,185 --> 01:39:38,784 You know, it's not that that shit sucks, 1686 01:39:38,786 --> 01:39:40,452 it's that's it's... It's not Bad Brains, 1687 01:39:40,454 --> 01:39:43,321 it should have been called other things. 1688 01:39:44,323 --> 01:39:46,657 Bad Brains is 1689 01:39:47,158 --> 01:39:49,225 a group of dudes from D.C., Maryland, 1690 01:39:49,227 --> 01:39:51,360 that were blessed with the notion 1691 01:39:51,362 --> 01:39:54,830 to try to be different and be inventive with their music 1692 01:39:54,832 --> 01:39:55,564 and actually went as far 1693 01:39:55,566 --> 01:39:59,000 as to put positive message into the style of music 1694 01:39:59,568 --> 01:40:01,135 and also went on to 1695 01:40:01,137 --> 01:40:03,370 cleave and understand other musics 1696 01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:04,904 that was positive like reggae 1697 01:40:04,906 --> 01:40:06,272 and also bring that to the same stage 1698 01:40:06,274 --> 01:40:08,007 at the same time, at the same night. 1699 01:40:08,009 --> 01:40:10,442 And the Bad Brains is like what Bob Marley 1700 01:40:10,444 --> 01:40:11,142 was being prophetic about. 1701 01:40:11,144 --> 01:40:13,511 In one of his songs, he said the Punky Reggae Party. 1702 01:40:13,513 --> 01:40:15,045 It's a punky reggae party 1703 01:40:15,047 --> 01:40:17,714 and that's what the Bad Brains is. 1704 01:40:20,616 --> 01:40:24,819 Oh, yes, we're excited about all our developments. 1705 01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:26,586 But as always, 1706 01:40:26,588 --> 01:40:30,756 what we like to encourage people to remember, 1707 01:40:30,758 --> 01:40:32,591 is it's not what 1708 01:40:32,925 --> 01:40:34,625 a person can do 1709 01:40:34,627 --> 01:40:38,195 in violence but it's what they can do 1710 01:40:39,697 --> 01:40:40,730 in love. 1711 01:40:54,244 --> 01:40:56,178 Next question, please, sir?137427

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