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Do you think perhaps...
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I mean, would it have been wiser,
you know, with hindsight...
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- Was it a mistake...
- Yes, Bernard?
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- You didn't have to agree to present the awards.
- Bill recommended it. Didn't you?
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I didn't actually recommend it.
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I just said the British theatre
awards dinner was televised live
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and, as guest of honour, you'd be seen by 12
million people in a context of glamour and fun
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and you'd be associated with actors and
actresses who give pleasure to millions.
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- That's not a recommendation?
- Isn't it a bad idea to be associated with actors?
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Their job is pretending to be what they're not.
If you're seen with them, people might realise.
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- Go on, Bernard.
- Well, I... I mean, er, not realise...
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might suspect... might
think that you were, er...
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Not that you were pretending, er...
entertaining...
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- What was it you wanted to speak to Bill about?
- You said this wouldn't be controversial.
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No other politicians are there. Actors and
actresses are usually nice to politicians.
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They dish out flattery as
eagerly as they lap it up.
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- Do they?
- Sometimes.
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- What about this?
- Yes, I'm sorry.
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We didn't know how small the Arts Council grant
would be when we accepted the invitation.
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You knew we were being
criticised over the arts.
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All governments are always criticised
for not giving enough to the arts.
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It's how arts journalists
suck up to actors and producers.
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That's how they get back on speaking terms
after giving bad reviews.
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- And the grant was only finalised yesterday.
- Almost no increase for the National Theatre.
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Its managing director will make a speech
introducing me at the dinner.
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- Yes.
- Snide remarks, sarcastic jokes.
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Attacking me for my meanness.
The philistine at No. 10.
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Live in front of 12 million people.
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Yes, but Bill didn't know.
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What about when I speak? A hostile
audience. Do you think there'll be boos?
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Bound to be and we don't
have to pay for it.
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Not booze, Bernard, I mean boos. Boo! Ssss!
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Send the Arts Minister along
instead, so they can all blame him.
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That's what junior
ministers are for.
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I can see the headlines. "Jim chickens out.
PM runs away from his critics."
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If there was a major crisis,
you wouldn't need to go.
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- Is there a major crisis coming up?
- Not really, Prime Minister.
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Is there a distant crisis
that we could bring forward?
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What sort of crisis would
justify cancellation?
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Pound plunges, small war in the South
Atlantic, nuclear power station catches fire.
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I don't think any of those things
would improve my image.
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It'd justify you staying away. I know! What
about the death of a Cabinet colleague?
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Ooh. Is one imminent?
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Er, no, but that would justify your absence
without damaging your image.
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We can hardly hope for that to fall on
the right day. Well, not by accident.
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- I need help.
- You do!
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- You do?
- Got to make a speech. It could be embarrassing.
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Oh, Prime Minister,
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your speeches are nothing like as
embarrassing as they used to be. In fact...
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- Not the speech, Humphrey, the occasion.
- Ah, yes, indeed. Why?
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It's to be to a hostile audience
of posturing, theatrical drunks.
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- The House of Commons, you mean?
- No, Humphrey.
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The annual awards dinner of the British
theatre. I'm to be their guest of honour.
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You're worried that they won't honour
their guest in view of the small grant.
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It's difficult to influence
the National Theatre's managing director.
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- I'm on the board of governors.
- Are you indeed?
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Perhaps you can tell me, how do I
make them feel that I'm one of them?
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Well, surely you don't want them to see you
as a posturing, theatrical drunk.
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Perhaps they do already.
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It's on TV. I don't want
a hostile reception.
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With respect, Prime Minister, if one
is going to walk into the lion's den,
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one should not take away the lion's dinner.
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- So what's your advice?
- Give them more dinner.
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Increase the grant to the Arts Council.
Only two million or so.
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- It'd make it a fairly expensive dinner.
- Well, it is the Grosvenor.
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As a governor of that subversive body,
you have a vested interest, don't you?
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- In fact, a conflict of interests.
- How so?
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That bloody place puts on plays attacking me.
They set "The Comedy of Errors" in No. 10.
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- Oh, Prime...
- Don't deny it. I know who they were getting at.
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And a play attacked my nuclear policy.
A farce.
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- The policy?
- No, Humphrey, the play.
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- Why do they do it?
- Well, it's very healthy, Prime Minister.
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- Healthy?
- Yes.
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Practically nobody goes to political plays
and half that do don't understand them,
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and half that understand them don't agree,
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and the seven left would've voted
against the government anyway.
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It helps people let off steam
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and you are seen as a democratic statesman
for subsidising your critics.
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People who want to criticise me
should pay at the box office!
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Oh, Prime Minister,
they'd never make enough money.
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Plays criticising the government make the
second most boring evenings ever invented.
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They insult... What are the most boring?
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Plays praising the government.
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- They insult me and then expect more money?
- Yes, it is a rather undignified posture.
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Artists always crawl towards the government
on their knees, shaking their fists.
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- Beating me over the head with begging bowls.
- Sorry to be pedantic.
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They can't beat you over the head if they're on
their knees unless they've got very long arms.
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- Get off the floor.
- Yes, I'm sorry.
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- There are no votes in giving money to the arts.
- But terrible publicity if you take it away.
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The arts lobby is middle class. It's one
of the few ways they get their tax back.
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Mortgage tax relief, university grants,
lump-sum pensions, Radio 3,
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and subsidised seats at the theatre,
opera and concerts.
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You can't begrudge it us.
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Them.
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People can spend their own money.
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Why should government money
be spent on pleasure?
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Nobody could call it pleasure. The point
is, we have a great heritage to support.
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Pictures no one wants to see, music no one
wants to hear, plays no one wants to watch.
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You can't let them die
just because nobody's interested.
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- Why not?
- Well, it's a bit like the Church of England.
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People don't go to church,
but they feel better because it's there.
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The arts are just the same.
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As long as they're going on,
you can feel part of a civilised nation.
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There are no votes in the arts.
Nobody's interested.
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Nobody's interested
in the Social Science Research Council
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or the Dumping at Sea Representation Panel,
but government still pays to support them.
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- They do some good.
- They don't, Prime Minister.
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They hardly do anything at all.
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- Well, let's abolish them!
- No, no, no, no!
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They are symbols. You don't fund them for
doing work but to show what you approve of.
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Most government expenditure is symbolic.
The Arts Council is a symbol.
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- You're getting off the point.
- I'm sorry, Prime Minister. What was the point?
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What was the point, Bernard?
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Er, the point of what?
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Oh, how to stop the managing director of the
National Theatre criticising you in his speech.
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I suggest you have a quiet word with him.
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Say the knighthood that usually goes
with the job is within the gift of the PM.
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He said he couldn't care
less about a knighthood.
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Huh! Everybody says that about knighthoods
until they're dangled in front of them.
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Don't they, Sir Humphrey?
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He talked about your putting on plays
attacking him.
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Did you point out no one's ever
submitted a play defending him?
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Well, I'm not sure that would've helped.
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What about next year's Arts Council grant?
Will they get the extra 30 million?
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My dear Simon,
I couldn't disclose the figure in advance,
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least of all to the MD
of the National Theatre.
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Have some of these.
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Excuse me.
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Only six? You're not serious?
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That's the new diet.
Six breadsticks is the absolute maximum.
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Is that gross breadsticks
or net breadsticks?
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- Net breadsticks.
- So what'll we get at the National?
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- Only one?
- Shh, shh, shh.
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How can we manage
on one and half million pounds?
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- I don't know where you got that figure from.
- Look, you've got to help me. What can I do?
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You mean, if the grant figure,
which of course we do not yet know,
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were to be not just less than you told the press
was the absolute minimum to stave off disaster
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but lower than the REAL minimum required
to stave off disaster?
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- Yes.
- I can't help you, even though I'm on the board.
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Let me be quite clear about this, Simon.
I am here to represent the PM's interests.
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There are certain things
which would gravely upset him.
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I must urge you, on his behalf,
not to contemplate them.
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Good. What are they?
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You'll be making the speech
introducing him at the awards dinner.
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It would be a courtesy to send
a draft to No. 10 in advance.
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- For approval?
- Well, let's say for information.
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Now, the Prime Minister
is extremely anxious
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that the speech should not refer
to the modesty of the grant increase.
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There are certain words
he'd like you to avoid.
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Miserly... philistine...
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barbarism... skinflint...
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killjoy.
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He'd also like you to
avoid all reference
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to how much more other
countries spend on the arts.
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- What are the figures?
- Here you are.
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To make sure you don't
mention them by mistake.
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I certainly won't mention them by mistake.
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And thirdly, and most important of all,
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he wants no comparison between
the extra money your theatre needs
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and certain sums that the government
spent last year on certain projects.
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- Such as?
- Well, let's say the figure were to be four million.
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Purely as an example, of course.
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The PM earnestly hopes that your speech
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will not refer to the fact
that the government spent five million
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on radar equipment for a fighter plane
that had already been scrapped.
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Or that the Department
of Energy had been able
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to stockpile a thousand years' supply
of filing tabs.
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Or that another department
had stocked up with a million tins of Vim.
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Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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- Thank you very much.
- Thank you so much. That was delicious.
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- He never even goes to the theatre, does he?
- Well, he can't, really.
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He's frightened of giving the cartoonists
and gossip columnists too much ammunition.
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He couldn't go to "A Month In The Country" for
fear of starting rumours about a general election.
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And he couldn't go to your production
of "The Rivals"
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because so many ministers
were after his job.
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He couldn't go to "The School For Scandal".
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Well, not after the Education Secretary
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had been found in bed with that
married primary-school headmistress.
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- I see.
- And then there was that play by Ibsen.
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- Oh, dear, what's it...
- "The Master Builder"?
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Hardly.
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I was thinking of "An Enemy Of The People".
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Say no more.
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Sir William and Lady Langthorne.
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Mr and Mrs Simon Monk.
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- No, no, it's me.
- Oh, sorry.
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- I think that's the lot.
- We can stand down?
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- Yes, Mrs Hacker.
- Thank goodness for that!
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Nice you're taking such trouble over theatre
people, even though they're not important.
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- They're extremely important.
- In what way?
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Showbiz people have a hotline to the media.
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If you're on "EastEnders",
the press want your opinion on everything.
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- Why?
- Editors like to sell their papers.
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Start an article with a picture of
Dirty Den, everybody wants to read it.
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Start one with a picture of the Trade and
Industry Secretary, nobody wants to read it.
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They all turn into supporters
after a few glasses of warm sherry?
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Some do. That's why we dish out a couple
of OBEs and a knighthood every New Year.
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Keeps them hoping. Stops them attacking the
government the next time they're on "Wogan".
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Prime Minister, the Arts Minister's
rather anxious to have a word with you.
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There's going to be trouble
when they find out how small the grant is.
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We'll just have to brazen it out.
Won't you?
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- I think we'll have to try to find a bit more.
- We've been through all this.
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- The theatre brings in tourists.
- Let the Tourist Board subsidise them.
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They say they've better
ways of attracting them.
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We're subsidising bad ways of attracting
tourists? No, we've spent enough on the arts.
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We'd have to spend it anyway. It's a
concealed way of preserving old buildings.
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- How do you mean?
- All these theatres, art galleries and museums
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are listed buildings we'd have to maintain,
and they're totally useless.
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So we put in central heating and a caretaker to
make it look as if we're preserving the arts.
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- Let's sell them.
- We can't. They're ancient monuments.
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Hm, like the Cabinet.
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Mind you, I'd sell THEM if I could.
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Isn't it better to wait until the figure is published?
If I try to lobby him now, he won't say anything.
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But you want him to DO something.
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- But if I wait...
- Then the figure will be published.
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Everyone will be committed to it and they'll
have to stick with it to save face.
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To change government decisions, do it
before anybody knows they're being made.
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- Isn't that rather difficult?
- Yes. That's what the Civil Service is for.
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- To change government decisions?
- Well, only the bad ones.
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That's most of them, of course.
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- Do you really believe in the British theatre?
- Oh, yes, absolutely.
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- Why?
- Well, it's one of the great glories of England.
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- You mean Shakespeare?
- Shakespeare, yes, absolutely.
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- Who else?
- Who... er...
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Well... there's Shakespeare, of course,
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and... er... Sheridan,
Oscar Wilde, Bernard Shaw.
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- They were all Irish.
- Well, Irish, English. Same thing then, wasn't it?
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- Bernard Shaw died in 1950.
- Oh, I'm so sorry.
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- Do you go to the theatre a lot?
- I'd love to, but you know how it is in my job.
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Shouldn't the PM go, if it's one
of the great glories of England?
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- Well, the Arts Minister goes. Part of his job.
- Why?
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- The PM can't do everything. Have to delegate.
- Going to the theatre is work?
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Well, wouldn't like to trespass
on another minister's territory.
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You can't feel ill without clearing
it with the Health Minister?
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Not exactly.
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- But what about when you were in opposition?
- It was much the same.
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So when you say you believe in the theatre, it's
like believing in God. You believe it exists.
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No, no, I'm a great supporter.
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What was the last play you went to?
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Last pl... er...
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- I think it'd be "Hamlet".
- Whose?
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Shakespeare's.
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- Do you know who played Hamlet?
- Oh... er...
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Henry Irving?
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- Er, Sir Humphrey, could I have a word?
- Of course. Forgive me, Mrs Hacker.
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Sir Humphrey,
I don't think the PM's enjoying himself.
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He's not supposed to. Cocktail parties
at No. 10 are just a gruesome duty.
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- People keep asking him questions.
- He should be used to that.
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They weren't tabled in advance,
so he isn't briefed.
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- He's not on the record.
- Yes, but people will think he's a philistine.
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Good heavens!
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- I was wondering, should we go and rescue him?
- All right, leave it to me.
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We'll do what we can, but there are
many calls on the public purse.
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- Inner cities, hospitals, kidney machines.
- Tanks.
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- Rockets.
- H-bombs.
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We can't defend ourselves against the
Russians with a performance of "Henry V".
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Prime Minister. I'm so sorry, ladies.
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- This isn't a drinks party, it's a siege.
- I was about to suggest
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that you should talk to
the National Theatre's managing director.
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- You want me to face another salvo?
- No.
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I've tried to persuade him
to make the right sort of speech.
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- Have you? Thank you very much.
- Not at all.
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But you might have more success.
Simon Monk.
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- Ah, Mr Monk.
- Prime Minister.
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- So you're going to introduce me at this dinner?
- That's right.
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Any idea what you're... going to say?
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Well... um... I suppose it depends, really.
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Yes, yes... On...?
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- On the size of the grant, I suppose.
- Of course, that's still under discussion.
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Of course, but if it were to be generous,
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I could talk about the way this government
has got its priorities right,
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believing in Britain's
heritage, what it stands for.
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Terrific, terrific. Of
course, if I can't...
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That is, if the Arts Minister
can't cough up as much as you'd hoped.
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Ah, well, that would be...
rather difficult.
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- You wouldn't want to make it political.
- Not for myself, of course not.
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But my colleagues would expect me
to voice their feelings.
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There are many calls on the public purse.
Inner cities, hospitals, kidney machines.
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Yes. I thought perhaps the best way
round it would be to make it funny.
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- Funny?
- Yes.
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List ways the government spends the money
it can't afford for the arts.
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Did you know that in one year
one London borough
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spent a million on hotels for families
when it had 4,000 empty council houses?
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Isn't that hilarious?
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- Of course, local government.
- Yes, yes, but it is all government, isn't it?
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The taxpayer pays the Rate Support Grant.
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And did you know that another council spends
100 a week on a toenail-cutting administrator?
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One city was employing four gas-lamp lighters
eight years after the last gas lamp was removed.
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That cost a quarter of a million.
Should get a good laugh.
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Not to mention the council that spent 730 pounds
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having two square yards
of shrubbery weeded.
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And the government office block scheduled for
demolition two weeks before it was completed.
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That should go down rather well at the dinner
and make jolly good TV, don't you agree?
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- So nice to meet you.
- I just hope you realise, Prime Minister,
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that unless we get a substantial rise,
the National Theatre will collapse
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and there'll be a huge empty building
on the South Bank,
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a decaying monument
to this government's barbarism.
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Where did he get those examples
of government waste?
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I really can't imagine.
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- The National Theatre may call my bluff.
- What is your bluff?
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- That I'm willing to risk their bluff.
- What's their bluff?
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- Their bluff is they think I'm bluffing, whereas...
- You are.
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I don't know now.
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- You mean you're playing blind man's bluff.
- May I just clarify this?
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You think the National Theatre
thinks you are bluffing.
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They think you think THEY are bluffing,
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whereas your bluff is to make them think
you are bluffing when you're not.
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If you are, your bluff is to
make them think you're not.
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Their bluff must be that they're bluffing because
if they're not bluffing, they're not bluffing.
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Thank you, Bernard. An
invaluable contribution.
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What is your policy? Will you risk their refusing
to continue if you don't increase the grant?
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I shall just have to go on re-stating
my policy, I think, until... until...
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Until you know what it is.
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Dorothy, you've got to help me.
This is a hot potato.
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If I don't do anything,
it could turn into a banana skin.
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- A hot potato can't become a banana skin.
- What?
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If you don't do anything,
a hot potato just becomes a cold potato.
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May I make a suggestion? I have a plan.
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- A plan? Yes, good. What?
- Call their bluff.
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Sell the National Theatre building. It's a prime
site. It's on the South Bank overlooking St Paul's.
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- Sell it? To whom?
- To a property developer.
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- We'd get 30- or 40 million for it.
- But we wouldn't have a National Theatre!
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We'd have sold the
building, not the company.
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The National Theatre
gets a million a year.
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Nearly half goes on the
upkeep of the buildings.
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That could go into productions by all the
subsidised companies all over the country.
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Monk said he didn't think they ought
to have to spend their grant in that way.
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He said the theatre should be about plays,
not about bricks and mortar.
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- Where would they put on their plays?
- There are plenty of theatres all over the country.
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- They could rent them like any other producer.
- Dorothy, this is brilliant!
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The theatre's about plays and actors,
not maintaining buildings.
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And it'd make the company
genuinely national.
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And we could give the 3 million
to put on their productions.
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The government would still make
a net profit of over 30 million!
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Nobody could call me a philistine then!
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Not unless they knew you.
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- Prime Minister, you remember Simon Monk?
- Ah, Mr Monk, yes.
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- This is very bad news about the grant.
- Surely not. It's gone up.
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- Nothing like enough.
- Enough for it to be unnecessary for you to...?
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- I'm afraid not.
- Oh.
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I was hoping to do something
really significant next year.
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You said you had to spend
nearly half your grant on upkeep.
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- I have a plan to relieve you of that.
- Really? That would be marvellous.
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Wouldn't it? And it'd make the
National Theatre really national.
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- What do you mean?
- I'm thinking of selling the National Theatre.
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- Selling it?
- I knew you'd be pleased.
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- That way we can save 3 million on upkeep.
- This is impossible!
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No, it's easy.
We've had a terrific offer for the site.
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- The National Theatre must have a base.
- And it will.
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You could have inexpensive offices
in Brixton or Toxteth... or Middlesbrough.
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What about the theatres, the workshops?
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You could hire them. Put on productions in the
West End or the Old Vic or provincial theatres.
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Become strolling players again
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- instead of... civil servants.
- But that would be disastrous!
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Surely not. Didn't you say the theatre
wasn't about bricks and mortar?
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Yes, yes, but that was... Look, the
National Theatre must have a home!
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And so it will. Lots of homes.
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All the subsidised theatres
would be called national theatres.
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There'd be the National Theatre at Glasgow,
at Sheffield, at Bristol, and so on.
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And that three million can help them all. You'd
be the London branch of the National Theatre.
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- That'd be popular with the whole profession.
- Barbarism!
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- Spending money on actors instead of buildings?
- Yes. Well, no, no...
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- Um...
- Anyway, it's just one of my options.
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I may decide against it... or I may not.
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I could outline it in my speech...
if necessary.
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- It all depends.
- On...?
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Have you decided what you'll say
in your speech yet?
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Yes.
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Oh... er... well... not finally.
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I wondered if those jokes about
government waste were really very funny.
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Of course, it's your decision.
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I'm sure you understand me.
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Mr Prime Minister, my lords,
ladies and gentlemen,
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pray silence for Simon Monk, Esquire, the
managing director of the National Theatre.
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Mr Prime Minster, my lords,
ladies and gentlemen...
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You will have read of the grant for the
Arts Council and the National Theatre.
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I know many of us are... disappointed
by the amount.
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We'd have all liked it to have been larger,
but this is a time of national stringency
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and we must think in
terms of national needs.
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There are many calls on the public purse.
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Education, inner cities, health...
kidney machines.
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We should be glad that any increase has been
possible and grateful to our guest of honour
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whose personal intervention made even this
small breadstick possible... er, increase.
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Ladies and gentlemen, to our guest of honour,
the patron of the arts, the Prime Minister.
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- My lords, ladies and gentlemen, the toast is...
- Excellent speech, don't you think, Humphrey?
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- The patron of the arts, the Prime Minister.
- Yes, Prime Minister.
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The Prime Minister.
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