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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,925 --> 00:00:44,723 Do you think perhaps... 2 00:00:44,885 --> 00:00:49,117 I mean, would it have been wiser, you know, with hindsight... 3 00:00:49,285 --> 00:00:51,321 - Was it a mistake... - Yes, Bernard? 4 00:00:51,485 --> 00:00:56,036 - You didn't have to agree to present the awards. - Bill recommended it. Didn't you? 5 00:00:56,205 --> 00:00:58,594 I didn't actually recommend it. 6 00:00:58,765 --> 00:01:02,235 I just said the British theatre awards dinner was televised live 7 00:01:02,405 --> 00:01:07,399 and, as guest of honour, you'd be seen by 12 million people in a context of glamour and fun 8 00:01:07,565 --> 00:01:11,956 and you'd be associated with actors and actresses who give pleasure to millions. 9 00:01:12,125 --> 00:01:16,516 - That's not a recommendation? - Isn't it a bad idea to be associated with actors? 10 00:01:16,685 --> 00:01:21,839 Their job is pretending to be what they're not. If you're seen with them, people might realise. 11 00:01:23,565 --> 00:01:27,114 - Go on, Bernard. - Well, I... I mean, er, not realise... 12 00:01:27,285 --> 00:01:31,039 might suspect... might think that you were, er... 13 00:01:31,205 --> 00:01:34,003 Not that you were pretending, er... entertaining... 14 00:01:34,165 --> 00:01:39,000 - What was it you wanted to speak to Bill about? - You said this wouldn't be controversial. 15 00:01:39,165 --> 00:01:43,875 No other politicians are there. Actors and actresses are usually nice to politicians. 16 00:01:44,045 --> 00:01:46,957 They dish out flattery as eagerly as they lap it up. 17 00:01:47,125 --> 00:01:49,559 - Do they? - Sometimes. 18 00:01:49,725 --> 00:01:51,920 - What about this? - Yes, I'm sorry. 19 00:01:52,085 --> 00:01:57,205 We didn't know how small the Arts Council grant would be when we accepted the invitation. 20 00:01:57,365 --> 00:02:00,084 You knew we were being criticised over the arts. 21 00:02:00,245 --> 00:02:03,999 All governments are always criticised for not giving enough to the arts. 22 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:07,475 It's how arts journalists suck up to actors and producers. 23 00:02:07,645 --> 00:02:11,194 That's how they get back on speaking terms after giving bad reviews. 24 00:02:11,365 --> 00:02:16,519 - And the grant was only finalised yesterday. - Almost no increase for the National Theatre. 25 00:02:16,685 --> 00:02:20,997 Its managing director will make a speech introducing me at the dinner. 26 00:02:21,165 --> 00:02:24,555 - Yes. - Snide remarks, sarcastic jokes. 27 00:02:24,725 --> 00:02:28,115 Attacking me for my meanness. The philistine at No. 10. 28 00:02:28,285 --> 00:02:31,516 Live in front of 12 million people. 29 00:02:31,685 --> 00:02:33,915 Yes, but Bill didn't know. 30 00:02:34,085 --> 00:02:39,159 What about when I speak? A hostile audience. Do you think there'll be boos? 31 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:42,317 Bound to be and we don't have to pay for it. 32 00:02:42,485 --> 00:02:45,636 Not booze, Bernard, I mean boos. Boo! Ssss! 33 00:02:46,925 --> 00:02:50,886 Send the Arts Minister along instead, so they can all blame him. 34 00:02:50,917 --> 00:02:52,393 That's what junior ministers are for. 35 00:02:52,525 --> 00:02:56,996 I can see the headlines. "Jim chickens out. PM runs away from his critics." 36 00:02:57,165 --> 00:03:00,316 If there was a major crisis, you wouldn't need to go. 37 00:03:00,485 --> 00:03:04,683 - Is there a major crisis coming up? - Not really, Prime Minister. 38 00:03:04,845 --> 00:03:08,838 Is there a distant crisis that we could bring forward? 39 00:03:09,925 --> 00:03:13,076 What sort of crisis would justify cancellation? 40 00:03:13,245 --> 00:03:17,955 Pound plunges, small war in the South Atlantic, nuclear power station catches fire. 41 00:03:18,125 --> 00:03:21,083 I don't think any of those things would improve my image. 42 00:03:21,245 --> 00:03:26,000 It'd justify you staying away. I know! What about the death of a Cabinet colleague? 43 00:03:26,165 --> 00:03:30,078 Ooh. Is one imminent? 44 00:03:30,245 --> 00:03:34,636 Er, no, but that would justify your absence without damaging your image. 45 00:03:34,805 --> 00:03:39,162 We can hardly hope for that to fall on the right day. Well, not by accident. 46 00:03:41,445 --> 00:03:43,003 - I need help. - You do! 47 00:03:43,165 --> 00:03:47,078 - You do? - Got to make a speech. It could be embarrassing. 48 00:03:47,245 --> 00:03:49,018 Oh, Prime Minister, 49 00:03:49,049 --> 00:03:53,305 your speeches are nothing like as embarrassing as they used to be. In fact... 50 00:03:53,445 --> 00:03:57,438 - Not the speech, Humphrey, the occasion. - Ah, yes, indeed. Why? 51 00:03:57,605 --> 00:04:01,644 It's to be to a hostile audience of posturing, theatrical drunks. 52 00:04:01,805 --> 00:04:05,002 - The House of Commons, you mean? - No, Humphrey. 53 00:04:05,165 --> 00:04:10,193 The annual awards dinner of the British theatre. I'm to be their guest of honour. 54 00:04:10,365 --> 00:04:14,358 You're worried that they won't honour their guest in view of the small grant. 55 00:04:14,525 --> 00:04:18,120 It's difficult to influence the National Theatre's managing director. 56 00:04:18,285 --> 00:04:21,482 - I'm on the board of governors. - Are you indeed? 57 00:04:21,645 --> 00:04:25,433 Perhaps you can tell me, how do I make them feel that I'm one of them? 58 00:04:25,605 --> 00:04:29,996 Well, surely you don't want them to see you as a posturing, theatrical drunk. 59 00:04:30,165 --> 00:04:32,281 Perhaps they do already. 60 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:37,125 It's on TV. I don't want a hostile reception. 61 00:04:37,285 --> 00:04:41,483 With respect, Prime Minister, if one is going to walk into the lion's den, 62 00:04:41,645 --> 00:04:44,239 one should not take away the lion's dinner. 63 00:04:44,405 --> 00:04:48,398 - So what's your advice? - Give them more dinner. 64 00:04:48,565 --> 00:04:52,035 Increase the grant to the Arts Council. Only two million or so. 65 00:04:52,205 --> 00:04:56,483 - It'd make it a fairly expensive dinner. - Well, it is the Grosvenor. 66 00:04:56,645 --> 00:05:01,241 As a governor of that subversive body, you have a vested interest, don't you? 67 00:05:01,405 --> 00:05:03,873 - In fact, a conflict of interests. - How so? 68 00:05:04,045 --> 00:05:09,244 That bloody place puts on plays attacking me. They set "The Comedy of Errors" in No. 10. 69 00:05:09,405 --> 00:05:13,398 - Oh, Prime... - Don't deny it. I know who they were getting at. 70 00:05:13,565 --> 00:05:16,523 And a play attacked my nuclear policy. A farce. 71 00:05:16,685 --> 00:05:19,404 - The policy? - No, Humphrey, the play. 72 00:05:20,405 --> 00:05:24,000 - Why do they do it? - Well, it's very healthy, Prime Minister. 73 00:05:24,165 --> 00:05:25,757 - Healthy? - Yes. 74 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:30,521 Practically nobody goes to political plays and half that do don't understand them, 75 00:05:30,685 --> 00:05:33,119 and half that understand them don't agree, 76 00:05:33,285 --> 00:05:37,324 and the seven left would've voted against the government anyway. 77 00:05:37,485 --> 00:05:39,680 It helps people let off steam 78 00:05:39,845 --> 00:05:44,236 and you are seen as a democratic statesman for subsidising your critics. 79 00:05:45,405 --> 00:05:47,805 People who want to criticise me should pay at the box office! 80 00:05:47,925 --> 00:05:51,122 Oh, Prime Minister, they'd never make enough money. 81 00:05:51,285 --> 00:05:56,200 Plays criticising the government make the second most boring evenings ever invented. 82 00:05:56,365 --> 00:05:59,004 They insult... What are the most boring? 83 00:05:59,165 --> 00:06:01,918 Plays praising the government. 84 00:06:02,085 --> 00:06:07,079 - They insult me and then expect more money? - Yes, it is a rather undignified posture. 85 00:06:07,245 --> 00:06:11,682 Artists always crawl towards the government on their knees, shaking their fists. 86 00:06:11,845 --> 00:06:15,554 - Beating me over the head with begging bowls. - Sorry to be pedantic. 87 00:06:15,725 --> 00:06:21,641 They can't beat you over the head if they're on their knees unless they've got very long arms. 88 00:06:21,805 --> 00:06:24,478 - Get off the floor. - Yes, I'm sorry. 89 00:06:24,645 --> 00:06:29,560 - There are no votes in giving money to the arts. - But terrible publicity if you take it away. 90 00:06:29,725 --> 00:06:33,957 The arts lobby is middle class. It's one of the few ways they get their tax back. 91 00:06:34,125 --> 00:06:38,721 Mortgage tax relief, university grants, lump-sum pensions, Radio 3, 92 00:06:38,885 --> 00:06:41,877 and subsidised seats at the theatre, opera and concerts. 93 00:06:42,045 --> 00:06:44,036 You can't begrudge it us. 94 00:06:44,205 --> 00:06:46,002 Them. 95 00:06:46,165 --> 00:06:49,071 People can spend their own money. 96 00:06:49,102 --> 00:06:51,508 Why should government money be spent on pleasure? 97 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:56,241 Nobody could call it pleasure. The point is, we have a great heritage to support. 98 00:06:56,405 --> 00:07:01,604 Pictures no one wants to see, music no one wants to hear, plays no one wants to watch. 99 00:07:01,765 --> 00:07:06,361 You can't let them die just because nobody's interested. 100 00:07:06,525 --> 00:07:10,518 - Why not? - Well, it's a bit like the Church of England. 101 00:07:10,685 --> 00:07:15,076 People don't go to church, but they feel better because it's there. 102 00:07:15,245 --> 00:07:17,281 The arts are just the same. 103 00:07:17,445 --> 00:07:21,916 As long as they're going on, you can feel part of a civilised nation. 104 00:07:22,085 --> 00:07:25,077 There are no votes in the arts. Nobody's interested. 105 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:28,954 Nobody's interested in the Social Science Research Council 106 00:07:29,125 --> 00:07:34,324 or the Dumping at Sea Representation Panel, but government still pays to support them. 107 00:07:34,485 --> 00:07:37,682 - They do some good. - They don't, Prime Minister. 108 00:07:37,845 --> 00:07:40,678 They hardly do anything at all. 109 00:07:40,845 --> 00:07:44,838 - Well, let's abolish them! - No, no, no, no! 110 00:07:45,005 --> 00:07:50,557 They are symbols. You don't fund them for doing work but to show what you approve of. 111 00:07:50,725 --> 00:07:55,321 Most government expenditure is symbolic. The Arts Council is a symbol. 112 00:07:55,485 --> 00:08:00,240 - You're getting off the point. - I'm sorry, Prime Minister. What was the point? 113 00:08:01,245 --> 00:08:03,440 What was the point, Bernard? 114 00:08:04,445 --> 00:08:06,834 Er, the point of what? 115 00:08:07,005 --> 00:08:11,920 Oh, how to stop the managing director of the National Theatre criticising you in his speech. 116 00:08:12,085 --> 00:08:14,679 I suggest you have a quiet word with him. 117 00:08:14,845 --> 00:08:18,997 Say the knighthood that usually goes with the job is within the gift of the PM. 118 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:22,043 He said he couldn't care less about a knighthood. 119 00:08:22,205 --> 00:08:26,835 Huh! Everybody says that about knighthoods until they're dangled in front of them. 120 00:08:28,045 --> 00:08:30,434 Don't they, Sir Humphrey? 121 00:08:34,285 --> 00:08:36,799 He talked about your putting on plays attacking him. 122 00:08:36,965 --> 00:08:40,275 Did you point out no one's ever submitted a play defending him? 123 00:08:40,445 --> 00:08:43,278 Well, I'm not sure that would've helped. 124 00:08:43,445 --> 00:08:47,438 What about next year's Arts Council grant? Will they get the extra 30 million? 125 00:08:47,605 --> 00:08:51,200 My dear Simon, I couldn't disclose the figure in advance, 126 00:08:51,365 --> 00:08:54,163 least of all to the MD of the National Theatre. 127 00:08:58,165 --> 00:09:00,360 Have some of these. 128 00:09:11,645 --> 00:09:13,363 Excuse me. 129 00:09:13,525 --> 00:09:16,119 Only six? You're not serious? 130 00:09:16,285 --> 00:09:19,595 That's the new diet. Six breadsticks is the absolute maximum. 131 00:09:19,765 --> 00:09:22,598 Is that gross breadsticks or net breadsticks? 132 00:09:24,165 --> 00:09:27,316 - Net breadsticks. - So what'll we get at the National? 133 00:09:32,645 --> 00:09:34,840 - Only one? - Shh, shh, shh. 134 00:09:39,045 --> 00:09:42,196 How can we manage on one and half million pounds? 135 00:09:42,365 --> 00:09:48,713 - I don't know where you got that figure from. - Look, you've got to help me. What can I do? 136 00:09:48,885 --> 00:09:54,482 You mean, if the grant figure, which of course we do not yet know, 137 00:09:54,645 --> 00:09:59,673 were to be not just less than you told the press was the absolute minimum to stave off disaster 138 00:09:59,845 --> 00:10:03,155 but lower than the REAL minimum required to stave off disaster? 139 00:10:03,325 --> 00:10:06,203 - Yes. - I can't help you, even though I'm on the board. 140 00:10:06,365 --> 00:10:11,564 Let me be quite clear about this, Simon. I am here to represent the PM's interests. 141 00:10:11,725 --> 00:10:14,922 There are certain things which would gravely upset him. 142 00:10:15,085 --> 00:10:18,839 I must urge you, on his behalf, not to contemplate them. 143 00:10:19,645 --> 00:10:21,795 Good. What are they? 144 00:10:21,965 --> 00:10:25,674 You'll be making the speech introducing him at the awards dinner. 145 00:10:25,845 --> 00:10:28,882 It would be a courtesy to send a draft to No. 10 in advance. 146 00:10:29,045 --> 00:10:32,242 - For approval? - Well, let's say for information. 147 00:10:32,405 --> 00:10:35,203 Now, the Prime Minister is extremely anxious 148 00:10:35,365 --> 00:10:39,074 that the speech should not refer to the modesty of the grant increase. 149 00:10:39,245 --> 00:10:42,078 There are certain words he'd like you to avoid. 150 00:10:42,245 --> 00:10:45,078 Miserly... philistine... 151 00:10:46,525 --> 00:10:49,995 barbarism... skinflint... 152 00:10:51,085 --> 00:10:52,882 killjoy. 153 00:10:54,485 --> 00:10:56,891 He'd also like you to avoid all reference 154 00:10:56,922 --> 00:10:59,225 to how much more other countries spend on the arts. 155 00:10:59,365 --> 00:11:02,357 - What are the figures? - Here you are. 156 00:11:03,405 --> 00:11:06,124 To make sure you don't mention them by mistake. 157 00:11:07,085 --> 00:11:09,679 I certainly won't mention them by mistake. 158 00:11:09,845 --> 00:11:12,643 And thirdly, and most important of all, 159 00:11:12,805 --> 00:11:17,003 he wants no comparison between the extra money your theatre needs 160 00:11:17,165 --> 00:11:21,761 and certain sums that the government spent last year on certain projects. 161 00:11:21,925 --> 00:11:27,602 - Such as? - Well, let's say the figure were to be four million. 162 00:11:27,765 --> 00:11:30,074 Purely as an example, of course. 163 00:11:30,245 --> 00:11:33,442 The PM earnestly hopes that your speech 164 00:11:33,605 --> 00:11:37,803 will not refer to the fact that the government spent five million 165 00:11:37,965 --> 00:11:42,516 on radar equipment for a fighter plane that had already been scrapped. 166 00:11:44,045 --> 00:11:46,639 Or that the Department of Energy had been able 167 00:11:46,805 --> 00:11:52,118 to stockpile a thousand years' supply of filing tabs. 168 00:11:52,285 --> 00:11:57,803 Or that another department had stocked up with a million tins of Vim. 169 00:11:59,245 --> 00:12:01,440 Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 170 00:12:01,605 --> 00:12:05,678 - Thank you very much. - Thank you so much. That was delicious. 171 00:12:07,325 --> 00:12:11,796 - He never even goes to the theatre, does he? - Well, he can't, really. 172 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:17,676 He's frightened of giving the cartoonists and gossip columnists too much ammunition. 173 00:12:17,845 --> 00:12:23,238 He couldn't go to "A Month In The Country" for fear of starting rumours about a general election. 174 00:12:23,405 --> 00:12:26,397 And he couldn't go to your production of "The Rivals" 175 00:12:26,565 --> 00:12:29,557 because so many ministers were after his job. 176 00:12:29,725 --> 00:12:32,523 He couldn't go to "The School For Scandal". 177 00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:36,075 Well, not after the Education Secretary 178 00:12:36,245 --> 00:12:40,921 had been found in bed with that married primary-school headmistress. 179 00:12:41,085 --> 00:12:44,680 - I see. - And then there was that play by Ibsen. 180 00:12:44,845 --> 00:12:47,643 - Oh, dear, what's it... - "The Master Builder"? 181 00:12:47,805 --> 00:12:49,602 Hardly. 182 00:12:49,765 --> 00:12:52,996 I was thinking of "An Enemy Of The People". 183 00:12:53,165 --> 00:12:55,156 Say no more. 184 00:13:00,445 --> 00:13:04,040 Sir William and Lady Langthorne. 185 00:13:04,205 --> 00:13:06,958 Mr and Mrs Simon Monk. 186 00:13:12,485 --> 00:13:14,476 - No, no, it's me. - Oh, sorry. 187 00:13:14,645 --> 00:13:17,239 - I think that's the lot. - We can stand down? 188 00:13:17,405 --> 00:13:20,203 - Yes, Mrs Hacker. - Thank goodness for that! 189 00:13:20,365 --> 00:13:24,961 Nice you're taking such trouble over theatre people, even though they're not important. 190 00:13:25,125 --> 00:13:27,923 - They're extremely important. - In what way? 191 00:13:28,085 --> 00:13:30,804 Showbiz people have a hotline to the media. 192 00:13:30,965 --> 00:13:34,674 If you're on "EastEnders", the press want your opinion on everything. 193 00:13:34,845 --> 00:13:37,837 - Why? - Editors like to sell their papers. 194 00:13:38,005 --> 00:13:42,044 Start an article with a picture of Dirty Den, everybody wants to read it. 195 00:13:42,205 --> 00:13:47,279 Start one with a picture of the Trade and Industry Secretary, nobody wants to read it. 196 00:13:47,445 --> 00:13:51,074 They all turn into supporters after a few glasses of warm sherry? 197 00:13:51,245 --> 00:13:56,035 Some do. That's why we dish out a couple of OBEs and a knighthood every New Year. 198 00:13:56,205 --> 00:14:01,359 Keeps them hoping. Stops them attacking the government the next time they're on "Wogan". 199 00:14:01,525 --> 00:14:06,519 Prime Minister, the Arts Minister's rather anxious to have a word with you. 200 00:14:06,685 --> 00:14:10,758 There's going to be trouble when they find out how small the grant is. 201 00:14:10,925 --> 00:14:14,042 We'll just have to brazen it out. Won't you? 202 00:14:15,645 --> 00:14:19,843 - I think we'll have to try to find a bit more. - We've been through all this. 203 00:14:20,005 --> 00:14:23,998 - The theatre brings in tourists. - Let the Tourist Board subsidise them. 204 00:14:24,165 --> 00:14:26,963 They say they've better ways of attracting them. 205 00:14:27,125 --> 00:14:31,676 We're subsidising bad ways of attracting tourists? No, we've spent enough on the arts. 206 00:14:31,845 --> 00:14:36,282 We'd have to spend it anyway. It's a concealed way of preserving old buildings. 207 00:14:36,445 --> 00:14:41,235 - How do you mean? - All these theatres, art galleries and museums 208 00:14:41,405 --> 00:14:45,478 are listed buildings we'd have to maintain, and they're totally useless. 209 00:14:45,645 --> 00:14:50,639 So we put in central heating and a caretaker to make it look as if we're preserving the arts. 210 00:14:50,805 --> 00:14:54,718 - Let's sell them. - We can't. They're ancient monuments. 211 00:14:54,885 --> 00:14:56,876 Hm, like the Cabinet. 212 00:14:58,005 --> 00:15:00,041 Mind you, I'd sell THEM if I could. 213 00:15:00,205 --> 00:15:06,235 Isn't it better to wait until the figure is published? If I try to lobby him now, he won't say anything. 214 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:08,794 But you want him to DO something. 215 00:15:08,965 --> 00:15:12,162 - But if I wait... - Then the figure will be published. 216 00:15:12,325 --> 00:15:16,921 Everyone will be committed to it and they'll have to stick with it to save face. 217 00:15:17,085 --> 00:15:21,636 To change government decisions, do it before anybody knows they're being made. 218 00:15:21,805 --> 00:15:26,640 - Isn't that rather difficult? - Yes. That's what the Civil Service is for. 219 00:15:26,805 --> 00:15:31,276 - To change government decisions? - Well, only the bad ones. 220 00:15:31,445 --> 00:15:33,242 That's most of them, of course. 221 00:15:34,205 --> 00:15:37,959 - Do you really believe in the British theatre? - Oh, yes, absolutely. 222 00:15:38,125 --> 00:15:42,243 - Why? - Well, it's one of the great glories of England. 223 00:15:42,405 --> 00:15:46,239 - You mean Shakespeare? - Shakespeare, yes, absolutely. 224 00:15:46,405 --> 00:15:49,203 - Who else? - Who... er... 225 00:15:49,365 --> 00:15:52,277 Well... there's Shakespeare, of course, 226 00:15:52,445 --> 00:15:56,643 and... er... Sheridan, Oscar Wilde, Bernard Shaw. 227 00:15:56,805 --> 00:16:01,754 - They were all Irish. - Well, Irish, English. Same thing then, wasn't it? 228 00:16:01,925 --> 00:16:05,315 - Bernard Shaw died in 1950. - Oh, I'm so sorry. 229 00:16:07,925 --> 00:16:12,476 - Do you go to the theatre a lot? - I'd love to, but you know how it is in my job. 230 00:16:13,765 --> 00:16:16,295 Shouldn't the PM go, if it's one of the great glories of England? 231 00:16:16,325 --> 00:16:20,113 - Well, the Arts Minister goes. Part of his job. - Why? 232 00:16:20,285 --> 00:16:24,881 - The PM can't do everything. Have to delegate. - Going to the theatre is work? 233 00:16:25,045 --> 00:16:28,754 Well, wouldn't like to trespass on another minister's territory. 234 00:16:28,925 --> 00:16:32,395 You can't feel ill without clearing it with the Health Minister? 235 00:16:33,205 --> 00:16:35,002 Not exactly. 236 00:16:36,045 --> 00:16:40,596 - But what about when you were in opposition? - It was much the same. 237 00:16:40,765 --> 00:16:45,919 So when you say you believe in the theatre, it's like believing in God. You believe it exists. 238 00:16:46,085 --> 00:16:48,599 No, no, I'm a great supporter. 239 00:16:48,765 --> 00:16:51,563 What was the last play you went to? 240 00:16:51,725 --> 00:16:53,522 Last pl... er... 241 00:16:55,405 --> 00:16:57,999 - I think it'd be "Hamlet". - Whose? 242 00:16:59,205 --> 00:17:01,002 Shakespeare's. 243 00:17:03,365 --> 00:17:05,959 - Do you know who played Hamlet? - Oh... er... 244 00:17:06,125 --> 00:17:08,116 Henry Irving? 245 00:17:09,365 --> 00:17:14,075 - Er, Sir Humphrey, could I have a word? - Of course. Forgive me, Mrs Hacker. 246 00:17:15,085 --> 00:17:18,282 Sir Humphrey, I don't think the PM's enjoying himself. 247 00:17:18,445 --> 00:17:22,438 He's not supposed to. Cocktail parties at No. 10 are just a gruesome duty. 248 00:17:22,605 --> 00:17:26,200 - People keep asking him questions. - He should be used to that. 249 00:17:26,365 --> 00:17:29,084 They weren't tabled in advance, so he isn't briefed. 250 00:17:29,245 --> 00:17:33,284 - He's not on the record. - Yes, but people will think he's a philistine. 251 00:17:33,445 --> 00:17:35,242 Good heavens! 252 00:17:36,205 --> 00:17:40,357 - I was wondering, should we go and rescue him? - All right, leave it to me. 253 00:17:40,525 --> 00:17:44,234 We'll do what we can, but there are many calls on the public purse. 254 00:17:44,405 --> 00:17:48,000 - Inner cities, hospitals, kidney machines. - Tanks. 255 00:17:48,165 --> 00:17:49,996 - Rockets. - H-bombs. 256 00:17:50,165 --> 00:17:54,363 We can't defend ourselves against the Russians with a performance of "Henry V". 257 00:17:54,525 --> 00:17:57,278 Prime Minister. I'm so sorry, ladies. 258 00:17:58,245 --> 00:18:01,954 - This isn't a drinks party, it's a siege. - I was about to suggest 259 00:18:02,125 --> 00:18:05,720 that you should talk to the National Theatre's managing director. 260 00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:08,080 - You want me to face another salvo? - No. 261 00:18:08,245 --> 00:18:11,840 I've tried to persuade him to make the right sort of speech. 262 00:18:12,005 --> 00:18:15,441 - Have you? Thank you very much. - Not at all. 263 00:18:15,605 --> 00:18:18,836 But you might have more success. Simon Monk. 264 00:18:19,005 --> 00:18:21,599 - Ah, Mr Monk. - Prime Minister. 265 00:18:21,765 --> 00:18:25,553 - So you're going to introduce me at this dinner? - That's right. 266 00:18:25,725 --> 00:18:28,717 Any idea what you're... going to say? 267 00:18:28,885 --> 00:18:32,844 Well... um... I suppose it depends, really. 268 00:18:33,005 --> 00:18:36,998 Yes, yes... On...? 269 00:18:37,165 --> 00:18:41,602 - On the size of the grant, I suppose. - Of course, that's still under discussion. 270 00:18:41,765 --> 00:18:44,962 Of course, but if it were to be generous, 271 00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:49,118 I could talk about the way this government has got its priorities right, 272 00:18:49,285 --> 00:18:52,163 believing in Britain's heritage, what it stands for. 273 00:18:52,325 --> 00:18:56,079 Terrific, terrific. Of course, if I can't... 274 00:18:56,245 --> 00:18:59,954 That is, if the Arts Minister can't cough up as much as you'd hoped. 275 00:19:00,125 --> 00:19:03,322 Ah, well, that would be... rather difficult. 276 00:19:03,485 --> 00:19:07,478 - You wouldn't want to make it political. - Not for myself, of course not. 277 00:19:07,645 --> 00:19:11,399 But my colleagues would expect me to voice their feelings. 278 00:19:11,565 --> 00:19:16,320 There are many calls on the public purse. Inner cities, hospitals, kidney machines. 279 00:19:16,485 --> 00:19:21,275 Yes. I thought perhaps the best way round it would be to make it funny. 280 00:19:21,445 --> 00:19:23,640 - Funny? - Yes. 281 00:19:23,805 --> 00:19:27,593 List ways the government spends the money it can't afford for the arts. 282 00:19:27,765 --> 00:19:30,962 Did you know that in one year one London borough 283 00:19:31,125 --> 00:19:35,915 spent a million on hotels for families when it had 4,000 empty council houses? 284 00:19:36,085 --> 00:19:38,553 Isn't that hilarious? 285 00:19:38,725 --> 00:19:43,321 - Of course, local government. - Yes, yes, but it is all government, isn't it? 286 00:19:43,485 --> 00:19:46,079 The taxpayer pays the Rate Support Grant. 287 00:19:46,245 --> 00:19:52,434 And did you know that another council spends 100 a week on a toenail-cutting administrator? 288 00:19:53,245 --> 00:19:59,639 One city was employing four gas-lamp lighters eight years after the last gas lamp was removed. 289 00:19:59,805 --> 00:20:02,086 That cost a quarter of a million. Should get a good laugh. 290 00:20:03,965 --> 00:20:07,162 Not to mention the council that spent 730 pounds 291 00:20:07,325 --> 00:20:10,237 having two square yards of shrubbery weeded. 292 00:20:10,405 --> 00:20:16,002 And the government office block scheduled for demolition two weeks before it was completed. 293 00:20:16,165 --> 00:20:21,478 That should go down rather well at the dinner and make jolly good TV, don't you agree? 294 00:20:21,645 --> 00:20:26,435 - So nice to meet you. - I just hope you realise, Prime Minister, 295 00:20:26,605 --> 00:20:30,803 that unless we get a substantial rise, the National Theatre will collapse 296 00:20:30,965 --> 00:20:34,355 and there'll be a huge empty building on the South Bank, 297 00:20:34,525 --> 00:20:38,484 a decaying monument to this government's barbarism. 298 00:20:42,405 --> 00:20:45,602 Where did he get those examples of government waste? 299 00:20:45,765 --> 00:20:48,154 I really can't imagine. 300 00:20:50,765 --> 00:20:53,643 - The National Theatre may call my bluff. - What is your bluff? 301 00:20:53,805 --> 00:20:57,002 - That I'm willing to risk their bluff. - What's their bluff? 302 00:20:57,165 --> 00:21:00,714 - Their bluff is they think I'm bluffing, whereas... - You are. 303 00:21:02,525 --> 00:21:04,675 I don't know now. 304 00:21:04,845 --> 00:21:09,157 - You mean you're playing blind man's bluff. - May I just clarify this? 305 00:21:09,325 --> 00:21:12,317 You think the National Theatre thinks you are bluffing. 306 00:21:12,485 --> 00:21:14,794 They think you think THEY are bluffing, 307 00:21:14,965 --> 00:21:18,799 whereas your bluff is to make them think you are bluffing when you're not. 308 00:21:18,965 --> 00:21:22,162 If you are, your bluff is to make them think you're not. 309 00:21:22,325 --> 00:21:27,399 Their bluff must be that they're bluffing because if they're not bluffing, they're not bluffing. 310 00:21:27,565 --> 00:21:31,478 Thank you, Bernard. An invaluable contribution. 311 00:21:31,645 --> 00:21:36,241 What is your policy? Will you risk their refusing to continue if you don't increase the grant? 312 00:21:36,405 --> 00:21:41,604 I shall just have to go on re-stating my policy, I think, until... until... 313 00:21:41,765 --> 00:21:44,598 Until you know what it is. 314 00:21:44,765 --> 00:21:47,757 Dorothy, you've got to help me. This is a hot potato. 315 00:21:47,925 --> 00:21:51,042 If I don't do anything, it could turn into a banana skin. 316 00:21:51,205 --> 00:21:54,993 - A hot potato can't become a banana skin. - What? 317 00:21:55,165 --> 00:21:58,953 If you don't do anything, a hot potato just becomes a cold potato. 318 00:21:59,125 --> 00:22:02,481 May I make a suggestion? I have a plan. 319 00:22:02,645 --> 00:22:05,239 - A plan? Yes, good. What? - Call their bluff. 320 00:22:05,405 --> 00:22:11,002 Sell the National Theatre building. It's a prime site. It's on the South Bank overlooking St Paul's. 321 00:22:11,165 --> 00:22:13,963 - Sell it? To whom? - To a property developer. 322 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:18,994 - We'd get 30- or 40 million for it. - But we wouldn't have a National Theatre! 323 00:22:19,165 --> 00:22:22,874 We'd have sold the building, not the company. 324 00:22:23,045 --> 00:22:26,100 The National Theatre gets a million a year. 325 00:22:26,131 --> 00:22:29,184 Nearly half goes on the upkeep of the buildings. 326 00:22:29,325 --> 00:22:34,399 That could go into productions by all the subsidised companies all over the country. 327 00:22:34,565 --> 00:22:38,763 Monk said he didn't think they ought to have to spend their grant in that way. 328 00:22:38,925 --> 00:22:43,077 He said the theatre should be about plays, not about bricks and mortar. 329 00:22:43,245 --> 00:22:48,956 - Where would they put on their plays? - There are plenty of theatres all over the country. 330 00:22:49,125 --> 00:22:53,596 - They could rent them like any other producer. - Dorothy, this is brilliant! 331 00:22:53,765 --> 00:22:57,519 The theatre's about plays and actors, not maintaining buildings. 332 00:22:57,685 --> 00:23:00,643 And it'd make the company genuinely national. 333 00:23:00,805 --> 00:23:04,514 And we could give the 3 million to put on their productions. 334 00:23:04,685 --> 00:23:08,883 The government would still make a net profit of over 30 million! 335 00:23:09,045 --> 00:23:11,513 Nobody could call me a philistine then! 336 00:23:11,685 --> 00:23:14,324 Not unless they knew you. 337 00:23:17,645 --> 00:23:22,241 - Prime Minister, you remember Simon Monk? - Ah, Mr Monk, yes. 338 00:23:22,405 --> 00:23:26,603 - This is very bad news about the grant. - Surely not. It's gone up. 339 00:23:26,765 --> 00:23:30,553 - Nothing like enough. - Enough for it to be unnecessary for you to...? 340 00:23:30,725 --> 00:23:33,193 - I'm afraid not. - Oh. 341 00:23:33,365 --> 00:23:37,040 I was hoping to do something really significant next year. 342 00:23:37,205 --> 00:23:41,437 You said you had to spend nearly half your grant on upkeep. 343 00:23:41,605 --> 00:23:45,803 - I have a plan to relieve you of that. - Really? That would be marvellous. 344 00:23:45,965 --> 00:23:49,753 Wouldn't it? And it'd make the National Theatre really national. 345 00:23:49,925 --> 00:23:54,919 - What do you mean? - I'm thinking of selling the National Theatre. 346 00:23:55,085 --> 00:23:58,282 - Selling it? - I knew you'd be pleased. 347 00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:03,198 - That way we can save 3 million on upkeep. - This is impossible! 348 00:24:03,365 --> 00:24:06,357 No, it's easy. We've had a terrific offer for the site. 349 00:24:06,525 --> 00:24:09,722 - The National Theatre must have a base. - And it will. 350 00:24:09,885 --> 00:24:15,357 You could have inexpensive offices in Brixton or Toxteth... or Middlesbrough. 351 00:24:16,485 --> 00:24:19,204 What about the theatres, the workshops? 352 00:24:19,365 --> 00:24:25,520 You could hire them. Put on productions in the West End or the Old Vic or provincial theatres. 353 00:24:25,685 --> 00:24:27,994 Become strolling players again 354 00:24:28,165 --> 00:24:32,238 - instead of... civil servants. - But that would be disastrous! 355 00:24:32,405 --> 00:24:36,398 Surely not. Didn't you say the theatre wasn't about bricks and mortar? 356 00:24:36,565 --> 00:24:41,639 Yes, yes, but that was... Look, the National Theatre must have a home! 357 00:24:41,805 --> 00:24:45,002 And so it will. Lots of homes. 358 00:24:45,165 --> 00:24:48,760 All the subsidised theatres would be called national theatres. 359 00:24:48,925 --> 00:24:54,875 There'd be the National Theatre at Glasgow, at Sheffield, at Bristol, and so on. 360 00:24:55,045 --> 00:25:00,642 And that three million can help them all. You'd be the London branch of the National Theatre. 361 00:25:00,805 --> 00:25:04,480 - That'd be popular with the whole profession. - Barbarism! 362 00:25:04,645 --> 00:25:08,923 - Spending money on actors instead of buildings? - Yes. Well, no, no... 363 00:25:09,085 --> 00:25:12,282 - Um... - Anyway, it's just one of my options. 364 00:25:12,445 --> 00:25:15,642 I may decide against it... or I may not. 365 00:25:16,085 --> 00:25:20,397 I could outline it in my speech... if necessary. 366 00:25:22,645 --> 00:25:25,113 - It all depends. - On...? 367 00:25:26,765 --> 00:25:30,155 Have you decided what you'll say in your speech yet? 368 00:25:30,325 --> 00:25:32,122 Yes. 369 00:25:32,285 --> 00:25:35,755 Oh... er... well... not finally. 370 00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:40,715 I wondered if those jokes about government waste were really very funny. 371 00:25:40,885 --> 00:25:43,445 Of course, it's your decision. 372 00:25:43,605 --> 00:25:45,596 I'm sure you understand me. 373 00:25:54,165 --> 00:25:58,283 Mr Prime Minister, my lords, ladies and gentlemen, 374 00:25:58,445 --> 00:26:04,475 pray silence for Simon Monk, Esquire, the managing director of the National Theatre. 375 00:26:08,365 --> 00:26:11,755 Mr Prime Minster, my lords, ladies and gentlemen... 376 00:26:18,885 --> 00:26:23,675 You will have read of the grant for the Arts Council and the National Theatre. 377 00:26:23,845 --> 00:26:29,044 I know many of us are... disappointed by the amount. 378 00:26:31,445 --> 00:26:36,235 We'd have all liked it to have been larger, but this is a time of national stringency 379 00:26:36,405 --> 00:26:39,397 and we must think in terms of national needs. 380 00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:42,284 There are many calls on the public purse. 381 00:26:42,445 --> 00:26:48,361 Education, inner cities, health... kidney machines. 382 00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:56,164 We should be glad that any increase has been possible and grateful to our guest of honour 383 00:26:56,325 --> 00:27:01,718 whose personal intervention made even this small breadstick possible... er, increase. 384 00:27:05,005 --> 00:27:10,637 Ladies and gentlemen, to our guest of honour, the patron of the arts, the Prime Minister. 385 00:27:10,805 --> 00:27:16,277 - My lords, ladies and gentlemen, the toast is... - Excellent speech, don't you think, Humphrey? 386 00:27:16,445 --> 00:27:20,518 - The patron of the arts, the Prime Minister. - Yes, Prime Minister. 387 00:27:20,685 --> 00:27:23,404 The Prime Minister. 37673

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