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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,840 Having sold over a million records in six weeks, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,920 they're straight in at number nine, here's Nirvana, 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,280 with Smells Like Teen Spirit. 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,320 CHEERING 5 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,440 MUSIC: Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,320 It was a time when the music industry, rock and roll, 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,280 just needed to be shook up. 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,720 This little band from Seattle, having the audacity to, like, 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,040 break on to TV and be so subversive. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,080 It was punk rock. 11 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,000 # With the lights out 12 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,920 It's less dangerous 13 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,160 # Here we are now 14 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:34,160 # Entertain us 15 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:35,480 # Yeah! # 16 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:39,000 The UK definitely responded to Nirvana 17 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,680 much more before America. 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,200 You guys were the first with everything. 19 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,800 It really is like a second home. 20 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,840 Nirvana brought to Britain the most exciting time in music. 21 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,440 They left an incredible legacy to so many bands 22 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,120 and so many music fans. 23 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,760 I'd never seen somebody running at full pelt 24 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,760 and taking a dive onto the drum kit. 25 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,800 # With the lights out 26 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,600 # It's less dangerous... # 27 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,400 We didn't know then we were sitting in a room with a band 28 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,000 who were going to go on and be the biggest band in the world. 29 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,560 If you say to people now that Nirvana played in my pub, 30 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,200 they go, "Aye, right". 31 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,440 But it happened! 32 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,160 # Entertain us 33 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,920 # A mulatto 34 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,800 # An albino... # 35 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,680 He came on in a medical smock. 36 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,920 It was just wonderful rock and roll theatre. 37 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,880 # A mulatto... # 38 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,520 Everybody's talking grunge. What exactly is it? 39 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,280 They made it all right to be an outsider, 40 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,520 they made it all right to not fit in. 41 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,280 A lot happened to Nirvana in a very short period of time, 42 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,200 and that can be hard to survive. 43 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,160 # A denial! # 44 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,880 This programme contains strong language 45 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,600 MUSIC: I Should Be So Lucky by Kylie Minogue 46 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,480 The '80s in Britain was all about wealth and affluence and power. 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,880 Music was very formulaic. 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 You had a lot of Stock, Aitken and Waterman. 49 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,000 Everything was just very shiny and very happy, 50 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,120 and there was very little rebellion. 51 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,080 MUSIC: Cross My Broken Heart by Sinitta 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,080 I was always one of those people who never felt like they fitted in. 53 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,480 And I think a lot of people like myself were seeking something 54 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,520 else that was an alternative. 55 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,400 # Cross my broken heart and said goodbye... # 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,800 In July of '88, I'm running this little agency, working out of my 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,760 bedroom in Nottingham. 58 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,520 I had no cash, and I was promoting gigs and losing money, 59 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,520 Purely by chance, somebody called me up and said, "Oh, you know, there's 60 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,320 "these people in Holland and there's these guys in Germany 61 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,840 "and they're bringing bands to the UK. I wonder if you might be 62 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,360 "interested in helping them to set up some shows." 63 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,960 And I started to develop these relationships 64 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,920 with these American artists and the American labels. 65 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:08,120 And I begin to hear about the label Sub Pop. 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,760 Sup Pop were an independent record label based in Seattle, 67 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,040 in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. 68 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,440 They were known for this strain of music that would become known, 69 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,120 in time, as grunge. 70 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,200 They had the likes of Mudhoney, Tad and Soundgarden. 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,920 I think Sub Pop was probably a reaction to the government 72 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,240 and the society that was going on in America at the time. 73 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,720 So it was very anti-conservative. 74 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,640 It was very much about the spirit of independence. It was about doing 75 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,720 it yourself. It was about the spirit of rebellion 76 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,760 in a record label. 77 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,360 And one day, through the post, I get sent a seven-inch single 78 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,040 of Love Buzz, the first Nirvana seven-inch... 79 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,120 MUSIC: Love Buzz by Nirvana 80 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,320 ..with a little note, 81 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,200 "I think you'll like this." 82 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,560 I'm about 20 seconds into this record and I think, 83 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 "I don't like this, I love this." 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,640 # Would you believe me when I tell you 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,720 # You're the queen of my heart? # 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,600 This very raw, vocal, 87 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,920 and this really... real melodic sensibility. 88 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:35,320 # Can you feel my love buzz? Can you feel my love buzz? # 89 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,520 And I started petitioning Sub Pop - 90 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,640 "We've got to get Nirvana over here to tour." 91 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,440 MUSIC: School by Nirvana 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,000 Nirvana came to Britain in 1989. 93 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,160 They were touring with Tad, a double headliner, 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Sub Pop extravaganza, and also with an opening band 95 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,080 called The Cateran, who were from Edinburgh in Scotland. 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,000 # Won't you believe it? It's just my luck 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,720 # Won't you believe it? It's just my luck 98 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,920 # Won't you believe it? It's just my luck... # 99 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,760 We did the tour as sort of first on. 100 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,520 It was fantastic. 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,640 There was Kurt and Krist, and the drummer at that point 102 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,280 was Chad Channing. 103 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,800 That was the last tour he did with them. 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,920 Lovely guys. 105 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,920 # Won't you believe it? It's just my luck... # 106 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,720 Yeah, I'd never been to Great Britain, and we got 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,680 off the plane and we were in this...a different world. 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,720 Just got to be careful which way you look when you cross the street. 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Whenever I went to London or Manchester or Leeds, Newcastle, 110 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,440 I always had a great time there. 111 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,840 Just your typical kind of working-class lads, 112 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:06,720 very kind of overwhelmed 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,240 that they were in Britain. 114 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,960 There was a British road crew 115 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,000 because the record label had no money. 116 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,040 We were in a Transit van, Tad and Nirvana were in a slightly more 117 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,640 upmarket Transit van that had seats in it. 118 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,960 But there was a lot of them in it, and a couple of roadies 119 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,880 and a driver, so they were pretty cramped. 120 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,840 And we were staying in a manky flat, having to share beds, dirty sleeping 121 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:33,520 bags, scabby carpets, people's flats, that kind of thing. 122 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,600 You know, people were putting us up at some of those gigs. 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,360 It wasn't hotels, it wasn't glamorous, and it was hard work. 124 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,240 We did drink a lot of beer, you know, mess around a lot, 125 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,480 but it wasn't that kind of hell-raiser sort of thing. 126 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,560 It was a bunch of guys who needed to get to bed at some point 127 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,040 because they were going to be up, into the van at seven o'clock 128 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 the following morning without having had a shower, sick 129 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,200 of the sight of each other, in for another day's slog. 130 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,040 So it's kind of rock and roll, but not very, 131 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,560 not what people think of. # No recess! # 132 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,640 MUSIC: Been A Son by Nirvana 133 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,320 1989, I would have been 20. 134 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,720 I was pitching around, following bands. 135 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,760 There was, like, a real underground little movement of 136 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,840 people who just were living that life. 137 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,560 A lot were students, a lot were just signing on. 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,840 The future didn't seem very bright for a lot 139 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,760 of young people at the time so it 140 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,720 was like, well, let's make our own fun. It was a way of life, really. 141 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,600 Got to the first Nirvana gig, got there for sound check, introduced 142 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,000 myself, and me and all my friends 143 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,080 would be on the guest list for the rest of the tour. 144 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,880 They were like, "Would you like a job, selling T-shirts for us?" 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,400 You'd get paid a T-shirt a night, which was ยฃ5. 146 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,840 "You can either keep the T-shirt or the ยฃ5." 147 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,440 I thought, "Well, I'll keep the ยฃ5," 148 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,760 because that was a lot of money back then, 149 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,200 I only had ยฃ27 a week to live on, on the dole. 150 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,680 But if I'd kept the T-shirts, 151 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,560 they're worth 450 quid each now, so... 152 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,320 I remember at Duchess of York in Leeds - pub by day, 153 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,640 gig venue by night - 154 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,040 it was small but excellent, and filthy beyond words. 155 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,840 The Duchess was basically a starting point for bands coming 156 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,440 on to the scene. Tad were the headliners - 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,800 they were considered to be the better band - and Nirvana 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,280 were in the middle. 159 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,840 I'll be honest, I certainly didn't think that they'd be the band 160 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,640 that they turned out to be. 161 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,760 This is a really good photo of them loading in, and I think 162 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,400 Kurt's in the picture somewhere. 163 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,320 It just shows the mundane side of touring with bands. 164 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,560 It's not like today, where they roll up with three 165 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,560 artics, these bands, and loads of make-up people and wardrobe and, 166 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:52,320 you know, yoga instructors. It just like, you know, three guys 167 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,360 in the band. That was it. Going on stage, you know. What's the story? 168 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,640 We went up there and just did our thing. 169 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,560 People were connecting with it right off the bat. 170 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,520 In those days, you know, 171 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,760 they were all prepared to, like, just doss down anywhere, you know, 172 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:08,880 just to get gigs. 173 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,920 And Nirvana went upstairs and they kipped everywhere 174 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,920 around the dressing room. 175 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,680 We had a white leather sofa 176 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:19,240 and the bands used to write their autographs on it, 177 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,240 and Kurt slept on the sofa in my office. 178 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,000 In the end, I gave it to the Sheffield Rock Museum, 179 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,520 which I thought was quite funny. 180 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,080 It would have normally been the situation that we would 181 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,120 have played at the University of London Union, 182 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,320 which was the established venue for breaking artists coming 183 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,240 from the sort of alternative music world, but they didn't want us. 184 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,000 I think they considered that there was something rather 185 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,400 undesirable about these noisy and filthy punks. 186 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,680 So we ended up at the School of Oriental African Studies. 187 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:58,960 It was very chaotic, just constant stage diving, 188 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,880 just absolute total chaos. 189 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,760 The stage diving came out of the hardcore scene 190 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,520 in the United States. 191 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,080 That just followed us from the punk rock scene 192 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,200 into the mainstream. 193 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,760 Kurt was coming off the stage and I'm like, "What are you doing? 194 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,920 "Why don't you let the fire extinguisher off?" 195 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,960 And his face just lit up and he grabs the fire extinguisher 196 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,000 and just runs on stage and lets it off. 197 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Just like being in charge of, like, naughty kids, you know. 198 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,360 The other side of it is, like, we were getting paid for it and just 199 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,040 getting away with it, you know? So it was all good. 200 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,760 And that was Kurt. He could be so intense. 201 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,920 And that's what appeals to so many people. 202 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,120 And in the meantime, we would try to have as much fun as possible 203 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,960 and just be really silly. 204 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,040 Maybe that was just kind of to balance the intensity. 205 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,480 DANCE MUSIC PLAYS 206 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Well, 1989 was a year of flux, and I think it's a revolutionary year 207 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,560 in a way. With the Berlin Wall coming down, East Europe changed, 208 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:16,160 and those countries getting out of that oppression 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,040 they'd had for years, it felt like everything was possible. 210 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,520 And in a sense, that's what the music was. 211 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,760 There was so many diverse and different scenes all colliding at 212 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,160 the same time. The Manchester thing was really massive, 213 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,760 so it's the Stone Roses and the Happy Mondays. 214 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,000 Things were definitely breaking down and changing politically, 215 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,120 socially and musically. 216 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,840 We Conservatives know what we believe, say what we believe 217 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,960 and stand by what we believe. 218 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,560 We'd had a right-wing government in Britain for ten years 219 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:52,440 at that point, there didn't seem to be any potential end to that. 220 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,680 There was a cultural reaction, and you saw that manifest in Britain, 221 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:00,440 specifically in the rave scene and the acid house scene. 222 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,080 HOUSE MUSIC PLAYS 223 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,240 People were taking matters into their own hands, and the 224 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,280 authorities were trying to clamp down on these illegal rave parties. 225 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,000 And in a way, the music that came out of Sub Pop and came 226 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,920 to the UK was a similarly joyous expression 227 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,160 of people's discontent. 228 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,720 There was a lot of pent-up frustration and anger, I felt, 229 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,720 and people were looking for a way to express that. 230 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,320 Between 1989, when they toured the UK for the first time, 231 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:50,720 and when they came back in October 1990, Nirvana had a line-up change. 232 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Chad Channing left. 233 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Chad was a great drummer, but in Kurt's 234 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,920 mind, he was the wrong type of drummer for Nirvana. 235 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:04,240 I was 21 years old, and the band that I was in, that was called 236 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Scream, we had kind of fallen apart, broken up while we were on the road. 237 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,800 I was stranded in Los Angeles with no way to get home. 238 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,000 And then I got a phone call from a friend, and I had told him 239 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,880 that Scream had broken up. 240 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,320 And he said, "Hey, have you ever heard of Nirvana?" 241 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,760 And of course I'd heard of Nirvana because everybody loved 242 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,080 that album Bleach. 243 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,560 He said, "You know, they're looking for a drummer. 244 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,280 "You should call them." 245 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,800 And so Kurt and I go to the airport and we picked Dave up, and we found 246 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,160 this barn studio place 247 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,760 in North Tacoma, and so it was just like, "Let's play." 248 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,240 MUSIC: Sliver by Nirvana 249 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,840 And then we would just kind of jam, 250 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,440 and we knew right away it just clicked. 251 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,960 # Mom and dad went to a show 252 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,000 # They dropped me off at Grandpa Joe's 253 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,840 # I kicked and screamed Said "Please, don't go!" 254 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,960 # Grandma take me home Grandma take me home 255 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,520 # Grandma take me home Grandma take me home... # 256 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,600 Within a few songs, I just knew, they knew, we knew that this is it. 257 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:17,480 We just had this feel together that sounded like Nirvana. 258 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,600 And I think it was maybe about 30 days before we went over to the UK 259 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,920 for that tour. 260 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,000 Hey, man! 261 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,800 If this bird goes down, this is the safest place to be! 262 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,840 I'm going to be here, 263 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,720 and I'm going to be safe 264 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,440 as can be. 265 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,280 Wooo! 266 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,840 I remember bringing a video camera and it was just to be as silly 267 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,600 as possible, putting on this persona, that's just not... 268 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,360 It's not the real me. 269 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Welcome to British Airways! 270 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Please follow all the rules. 271 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,040 You hear me? 272 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,240 As soon as you walked on this plane, I took one gander at you and I saw 273 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,200 nothing but trouble. 274 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,840 I joined a band with strangers, 275 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,040 these two guys I didn't fucking know, so that I could, like, 276 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,160 just kind of experience the adventure and the mystery, 277 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,800 not really ever knowing what was going to come next, 278 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,040 Because it says it's almost 3:00 in the morning. 279 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Meaning we've been on this thing for five hours. 280 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,960 You never know. Time flies when you're having fun. 281 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,640 LAUGHTER 282 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,240 20th of October, 1990, we picked them up from Heathrow, 283 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,760 we brought them into town and they went and stayed 284 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,000 at the Dalmacia, which is a guesthouse in Shepherd's Bush Road. 285 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,040 Russell! Goddamn it! 286 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,760 It was fairly unremarkable, but the guy that owned the place, George, 287 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,280 was very, very accommodating towards musicians. 288 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,920 One day, Nirvana basically knocked on the door and said, 289 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,280 "Have you got any rooms?" 290 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,120 So I said, "Yeah, OK, how many nights do you need?" 291 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,120 So they came in, they had a look and said, "Yeah, this is fine." 292 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,520 Got them upstairs to sign the visitor's book, 293 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,600 and that was that, they came in. 294 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,800 They said, "Oh, we've got all of this stuff." 295 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,720 And I said, "Well, OK, I'll stick them in the basement." 296 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,480 There were all three of us, like, crammed into one little room, 297 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,520 like The Monkees, you know. We're like, "Krist's bed's there, 298 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,280 "Kurt's there, and I'm over here." 299 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,560 We'd wake up in the morning, 300 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,960 there was this nice family that would make us fried toast 301 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,960 and beans and bangers, and we'd just sit there drinking tea all morning. 302 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,280 It was a massive upgrade from the Scream days. 303 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,640 I mean, in Scream, we stayed in squats. 304 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,080 We stayed in places where you'd show up and they'd be burning the linens 305 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,840 out front because there's a fucking scabies outbreak. 306 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 And so when I joined Nirvana, to me, that was like... 307 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,400 That was some Four Seasons shit. 308 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,840 Dave Grohl, he's one of the few people I've met who's always happy. 309 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,120 Kurt, he would be sometimes withdrawn. 310 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,840 I couldn't pin him down, character-wise. 311 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,280 Whereas Krist, because he was Croatian and we're half Croatian, 312 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,320 we'd have a bit of a connection. 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,160 My favourite time being in Britain was at the Dalmacia house. 314 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,240 I'm a Dalmatian! 315 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,360 Not the dog with spots, but from Croatia! 316 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:23,440 My parents are both from there. 317 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,480 And so I felt right at home. 318 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,280 Wooo! 319 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,240 We would walk around and just get lost. 320 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,120 Let's get some tea at the Dome Cafe. Want some tea? Yeah. 321 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,880 We were broke, but it just felt homey. 322 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,400 I can't get used to the traffic situation. 323 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,480 Well, fuck it, man. Fuck it, man. 324 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,440 Start driving normally! 325 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,520 I have such fond memories of that time. 326 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,600 I mean, we were kids, you know. I was 21, Kurt was maybe 23, 327 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Krist was maybe 24. 328 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,640 We went down to Kensington Market and just, like, bought as many 329 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,120 records and cool leather jackets as we could find. 330 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,520 And there was a kebab place which was opened, luckily for us, 331 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,400 until three o'clock in the morning. 332 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,680 Yeah, it was an extension of their kitchen. 333 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Well, here we are. 334 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,040 It doesn't look that much different to when I was last here. 335 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,800 This is where the Dalmacia Hotel used to be, 336 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,640 and down there, I think, 337 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,160 that's the bus stop where we did some of the photos, the day 338 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,160 I interviewed Nirvana here. 339 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,720 So I interviewed Nirvana in... 340 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,640 ..I think it was late 1990. 341 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,400 I was working at the NME at the time. 342 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,040 We turned up in this slightly anonymous hotel 343 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,240 and I think Kurt opened the door. 344 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Krist Novoselic did the entire interview laying on his bed. 345 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,360 Well, with the covers over him, actually, moaning 346 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,520 about the English cold which he'd picked up. 347 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Dave pootled around, picking up dirty laundry, I think. 348 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,760 I mean, we didn't know then we were sitting in the room with a band 349 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,560 who were going to go on and be the biggest band in the world. 350 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,680 We talked about, sort of, where they wanted to go musically, 351 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,080 and then we had quite a long, daft conversation 352 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,320 about, what would be the perfect pet? 353 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,720 Kurt Cobain, I think it was, said, "I think a turtle. 354 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,440 "That would share my character quite well." 355 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,000 We came outside and Martin Goodacre, the photographer, did some 356 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,920 shots, I think, on the steps 357 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,520 with the Dalmacia Hotel sign behind. 358 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,040 CAMERA CLICKS 359 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,240 There's the famous Kurt Cobain shot where he's sort of doing this kind 360 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,600 of...just looking up at you. 361 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,360 I remember Martin having his camera ready, and Kurt wouldn't look up. 362 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:57,520 So Martin is persisting and saying, "Come on, Kurt, look up." 363 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,360 And he didn't look up. 364 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,280 And eventually I think Martin said something like, "If I promise 365 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,240 "this is the last photo that we're going to do today 366 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,280 "and you can go after that, will you look up?" And Kurt looked 367 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,800 up and just did that. 368 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,840 And that's the famous photo. 369 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,040 MUSIC: About A Girl by Nirvana 370 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,280 The first tour that I did with Nirvana, in 1990, 371 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,560 that, to me, was my rock and roll fantasy come true. 372 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,360 # I need an easy friend 373 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:36,080 # I do, with an ear to lend... # 374 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,000 All we had to do was play the music. That was all that was expected 375 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,880 of us, right? 376 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,080 No saviours of a generation or spokespeople for a generation. 377 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,040 It was about the music. 378 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,720 We were free. We were happy. We were young. 379 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,320 We were playing music. 380 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,040 People were fucking bouncing around while we played it, 381 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,880 and it was...it was great. 382 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,520 # I'm standing in your line... # 383 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,960 And you could tell at that point, like, something was happening. 384 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,920 # I'll take advantage while... # 385 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:16,120 The UK definitely responded to Nirvana much more before America. 386 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:19,800 It just seemed to me like you guys were the first with everything. 387 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Like, we cut our teeth there. After that tour in the UK, I remember 388 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,840 going back to America, to the same bars and clubs where we were playing 389 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,800 to 99 people, 150 people. 390 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,480 It was definitely not like it was in the UK. 391 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,440 # I do. # 392 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 CHEERING 393 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640 APPLAUSE 394 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,360 The late '80s, I was quite a bit lost, early 20s, not knowing 395 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:53,000 what direction I was going in, not dealing with 396 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,560 adulthood very well. 397 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,320 Would have been on the dole, travelling around. 398 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,160 Yeah, just a bit rough and ready. 399 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,160 Tony was my buddy when I first moved up to Nottingham 400 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,800 and we became firm friends. 401 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,240 Somewhere down the line is this thing, as I did, 402 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,320 I would rope in my friends, you know, like, 403 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,160 "Can you help me pick up this band from the airport?" 404 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,720 I ended up picking Nirvana up from the airport, '89, 405 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,120 I think it was, and it started from there. 406 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,680 Plan for tonight. 407 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,600 I'm not sure how he wound up backstage with fucking make-up 408 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,560 and paint all over him, but he became a dear friend. 409 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,720 Kurt loved him. We all loved him. 410 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,200 Woo! Wooo! 411 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,600 I was a bit of a damaged character, not interacting well sometimes 412 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,120 in social scenes, and just being a bit weird, and I guess Kurt 413 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,600 was accepting of the weirdness and took me under his wing. 414 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,400 He just wound up coming up on stage and dancing one night. 415 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,960 MUSIC: Blew by Nirvana 416 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,200 This guy just started dancing on stage and, like, 417 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,760 "Well, there you go." 418 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,440 It was like... It was kind of fun. HE CHUCKLES 419 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,480 Well, I was just feeding the energy from what was going on onstage. 420 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Maybe a bit of a Native American dance or just pogoing 421 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,360 or just doing something odd. 422 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,240 You know, it was just do anything, freestyle, you know? 423 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,640 People would go, "Well, you know, that was crap, I could do that." 424 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,200 It's like, yeah, that's the whole point of it, you know? 425 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,960 I was absolutely stunned. 426 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,200 I was like, "Wow, where did that come from?" You know? 427 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,400 The Stone Roses had Cressa, The Happy Mondays had Bez, we had Tony, 428 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,640 you know? And, yeah, he's better than all of those. 429 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,680 That was Tony. 430 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,480 CHEERING 431 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,600 SOLO ACOUSTIC GUITAR PLAYS 432 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,920 One thing I want to ask you is about your influences. 433 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,120 I would say the biggest influence I've ever had would be the Beatles, 434 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,800 because I listened to the Beatles since I was five years old, 435 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,480 up until I was in fourth grade, and I wanted to see the Beatles, 436 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,160 and it was about 1973 and I heard on the radio that they'd been broken 437 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,720 up for three years, you know, and I was totally devastated. 438 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,920 # She gives my everything 439 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,040 # And tenderly 440 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,440 # The kiss my lover brings 441 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,760 # She brings to me 442 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,400 # And I love her... # 443 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,080 The Beatles were a huge influence when I was young. 444 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,720 My mother gave me an electric guitar and a Beatles song book 445 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,120 that I would sit down, play the records and play 446 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,440 along with the chords, you know? 447 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,880 And I had no teacher. 448 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,200 Like, that was how I learned how to play was from listening 449 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,080 to the Beatles. 450 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,280 # And I love her... # 451 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Then I was introduced to hard rock, such as Led Zeppelin. 452 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,640 I got into that and 453 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,800 it kind of meshed together, like, when I started playing guitar, 454 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,840 it kind of intertwined the Beatles' melodic-style hooks 455 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,440 with heavy, raunchy guitars. 456 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,880 And I would say that's probably how our style started. 457 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,280 # It's been a long time since I rock and rolled 458 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,360 # It's been a long time since I did the stroll... # 459 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:04,440 I'd like to think that Britain were kind of dear to Kurt 460 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,160 and to Nirvana, more so than maybe some other places. 461 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,520 This was the place where a lot of 462 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Kurt's favourite bands had come from. 463 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,000 We had so much respect and so much love for bands from the UK, 464 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,360 like The Vaselines, The Raincoats, 465 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,760 because we thought, like, their music 466 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,000 was worth being heard by the masses, you know. 467 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,800 "If you enjoy Nirvana, you might enjoy this." 468 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,680 MUSIC: Fairytale In The Supermarket by The Raincoats 469 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,120 The Raincoats formed in West London in the late '70s postpunk era, 470 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,200 formed by Gina Birch and a Portuguese musician called 471 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,520 Ana da Silva, and Kurt was a big fan. 472 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,480 When he first came to London, 473 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,160 he went on an odyssey, trying to find The Raincoats record, 474 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,880 because you couldn't get it in the States. 475 00:26:54,600 --> 00:27:00,920 Kurt said how much he respected what we did, and so that was 476 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,520 a nice thing. 477 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,480 I was completely surprised. 478 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,800 Kurt wrote this thing which got faxed to us. 479 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:15,480 "The Raincoats recorded some music that has affected me so much 480 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,000 "that, whenever I hear it, 481 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,000 "I'm reminded of a particular time in my life when I was extremely 482 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,880 "unhappy, lonely and bored. 483 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,560 "If it weren't for the luxury of putting on that scratchy copy 484 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,720 "of The Raincoats' first album, I would have had very few 485 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,960 "moments of peace." 486 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,240 It's very touching. 487 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,320 Um... Yeah. 488 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,920 MUSIC: Jesus Wants Me For A Sunbeam by The Vaselines 489 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,600 # Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam... # 490 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480 The Vaselines were a great band from Glasgow, playing 491 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840 really great melodic guitar, indie rock. 492 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,400 I mean, Jesus Wants Me For A Sunbeam is an amazing song. 493 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840 # Don't expect me to cry... # 494 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,400 Kurt was a huge Vaselines fan, 495 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,040 and he would talk about The Vaselines in interviews, 496 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,800 and Nirvana covered several Vaselines songs. 497 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Nobody liked us and nobody really knew us, 498 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,800 so we were just having a night out in Edinburgh, playing a gig, 499 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,200 and got to meet Nirvana, who were complete strangers. 500 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,400 And Kurt just said he liked our music, 501 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,360 and had a moment, you know, that I'll never forget. 502 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,160 # Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam 503 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,840 # Cos sunbeams are not made like me 504 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,440 # And don't expect me to lie 505 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,800 # For all the reasons you had to die 506 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,080 # Don't ever ask your love of me... # 507 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,840 This is a copy of a letter Kurt wrote to me in 1991. 508 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,800 Starts with, "Hi, Eugene. 509 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760 "We recorded Molly's Lips and Son Of A Gun, hopefully to be released 510 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640 "in a few months. 511 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520 "The Vaselines have been my favourite band for a long while now 512 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360 "and, geez, I can't wait to see you all soon. 513 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,560 "I got evicted from my apartment and am living in my car, 514 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,560 "so I have no address, but here's Chris's phone number for messages. 515 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,880 "Your pal, Kurdt." 516 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,320 CHEERNG 517 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,040 When we played the Reading Festival in 1991, I think 518 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,840 we were halfway up the bill, playing in the afternoon. 519 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,200 MUSIC: Come As You Are by Nirvana 520 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,640 But just seeing, like, 30,000 kids dancing to Nirvana... 521 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,360 ..it was fucking awesome. 522 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,840 # Come as you are 523 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200 # As you were 524 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,640 # As I want you to be 525 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,320 # As a friend, as a friend 526 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,520 # As an old enemy... # 527 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,000 But in '91, I got there and managed to blag it in as per usual. 528 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,160 I just remember being particularly impressed with the new material. 529 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,200 # And I swear that I don't have a gun 530 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,040 # No, I don't have a gun... # 531 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,520 Could feel it in the atmosphere in the crowd, definitely. 532 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Yeah, blown away. 533 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,960 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 534 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,160 MUSIC: Molly's Lips by Nirvana 535 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,720 They asked me to sing the Vaselines song, Molly's Lips. 536 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,240 # She said she'd take me anywhere She'd take me anywhere 537 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,800 # As long as she stays with me... # 538 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,440 I'd never been on any festival stage in my life, and it was an amazing 539 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,520 thrill to sing one of your songs, played by this great band. 540 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,040 # Kiss, kiss Molly's lips Kiss, kiss Molly's lips. # 541 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 542 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,600 At the end of the show, Krist just came on and smashed his bass, 543 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240 and we thought, "Right, this is different." 544 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,040 I'd never seen somebody walking to the lip of the stage 545 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,160 and then running at full pelt and taking a dive onto the drum kit. 546 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,520 CHEERING 547 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,200 And I was standing next to people in other bands, like Mudhoney, 548 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,920 Sonic Youth, and they all went, "Ha-ha!" like it was funny, and I 549 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,760 went, "Ooh, what's he done?!" And, yeah, I think Kurt 550 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,120 dislocated his shoulder and he had a sling for the rest of the day. 551 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,360 After Reading, Kurt sent me a copy of the Nevermind cassette. 552 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:34,000 And so I'd done loads of copies of that, with literally hundreds 553 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040 and hundreds of, like, cassettes, 554 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,720 and I'd be phoning up magazines and papers in the UK - everybody 555 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,400 just wanted a copy, 556 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720 and there was just this, like, amazing buzz. 557 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720 CHEERING 558 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,240 MUSIC: In Bloom by Nirvana 559 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,800 Those songs are so catchy, and you could tell that it was a step 560 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,480 up in terms of the song craft that Kurt was summoning up. 561 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,320 # Sell the kids for food... # 562 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,720 Within about six months, Nirvana were at the top of the charts 563 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,400 in America - they kicked Michael Jackson off the top of the charts! 564 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,800 # He's the one who likes all our pretty songs... # 565 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,920 You could feel that the energy was changing and that the pace 566 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,160 was really picking up. 567 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440 # But he don't know what it means... # 568 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200 You know, the days of just laying around a bed and breakfast 569 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,480 and then loading your equipment into a club to play for some people 570 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,080 had passed. At this point, we were now doing interviews and we were 571 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920 going to radio stations. 572 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120 I was working on The Word, which was a TV programme, 573 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,880 and I was booking bands, and I remember sitting in the office 574 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,400 and it was a record label who contacted me and they said, 575 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920 "We've got this band and they're really exciting, we think 576 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,760 "they're going to blow up." And just as soon as I listened to the song, 577 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,600 Smells Like Teen Spirit, I was like, "OK, right, you know, we've got 578 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,040 "a space next Friday. Can they do it? Are they available? 579 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,520 "I want them on the show." 580 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440 The Word was, like, the biggest show 581 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,600 if you were kind of between, I suppose, 12, really, and 30. 582 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,240 And just about anyone big in that era, from 1990 to '95, 583 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,720 we got them on before anybody else. 584 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,160 Meanwhile, here's Nirvana, kicking it up good style. 600,000 copies 585 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,000 of their album in the USA, and first time live on TV. 586 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,920 CHEERING 587 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,920 See you next week. 588 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,600 It was live and it was uncontrolled, so when Nirvana came on, 589 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:50,080 we were overrunning a bit, and then Kurt Cobain made his famous speech. 590 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,040 I'd like all of you people in this room to know that Courtney Love, 591 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,320 the lead singer of the sensational pop group Hole, 592 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,200 is the best fuck in the world. CHEERING 593 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,280 This was their Sex Pistols moment, 594 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,360 because musically, culturally, 595 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,760 philosophically, they were a dare to people's minds 596 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,720 and to their sensibilities. 597 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,000 # Load up on guns Bring your friends 598 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,080 # It's fun to lose and to pretend... # 599 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,840 To me, that was almost like a statement of intent. 600 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,400 It was like this little band from Seattle having the audacity 601 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,240 to break onto TV and be so subversive. 602 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,600 It was punk rock. 603 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,840 # With the lights out it's less dangerous 604 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,240 # Here we are now, entertain us... # 605 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,240 I just made sure that I went right down the front, 606 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,160 so I was literally looking up at Kurt. 607 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680 I don't think my feet touched the ground from there on. 608 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,600 Everyone was just bouncing up and down. It was just sensational. 609 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,480 # Yeah 610 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,720 # Hey 611 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840 # Hey... # 612 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960 Smells Like Teen Spirit was probably 613 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,760 the first time I'd ever heard 614 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,160 someone genuinely scream their songs 615 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,480 and what they were singing. His voice was just that raw. 616 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,200 It was pure honesty and pure authenticity. 617 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,240 They were just dressed like normal folk. 618 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,760 And for me, that was just an absolute education, 619 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,760 and it really impacted my outlook on music and on life. 620 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520 # And I forget just why I taste... # 621 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040 They made it all right to be an outsider, they made it 622 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,960 all right to not fit in. 623 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,640 # I found it hard Was hard to find 624 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,760 # Oh, well, whatever never mind... # 625 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,320 From when I was 12 to when I was 15, I just wanted to be Kurt Cobain. 626 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,280 You know, I had all his posters on my wall. Literally every inch 627 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,880 of my wall was covered with Kurt Cobain. 628 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,360 It just seemed so strange to be on Top Of The Pops, right? 629 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,400 I mean, that was reserved for, like, pop bands. 630 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,000 "We don't belong there!" 631 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800 I think there was a conversation about lip-synching, 632 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,480 which we had never done, and, 633 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,320 you know, felt uncomfortable doing it, and they said, 634 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560 "OK, we'll let the vocals be live, but the music 635 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160 "has to be pre-recorded." 636 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,160 I mean, you know, they were just asking for it! 637 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,040 IN DEEP MONOTONE: # Load up on drugs 638 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,880 # Kill your friends 639 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,320 # It's fun to lose... # 640 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,680 He sang in this ridiculous voice. 641 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,400 We're all, with our mouths wide open, going, 642 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,240 "What the hell is this?!" 643 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,240 # Hello, hello, hello, hello 644 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,480 # Hello, hello, hello, hello... # 645 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,000 The audience, some of them may have been fans and knew 646 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,880 what to do, and then there was this other faction 647 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,760 that was just, like, trying to, you know, dance to it. 648 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,520 Just a weird environment where everyone's like, 649 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,400 "What the fuck is going on right now?!" 650 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,960 Top Of The Pops back then was, like, the biggest TV music show 651 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,080 you could possibly be on. 652 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,440 This was their big, big moment, 653 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520 and he completely sabotaged it. 654 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,080 # With the lights out it's less dangerous... # 655 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,480 Nirvana had a sense of humour. 656 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,320 They weren't miserable bastards all the time. 657 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,880 It was very slapstick and very, you know, like Monty Python. 658 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,760 # My libido Yeah... # 659 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,800 If they're going to do something like that, they were going to do 660 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,840 their own way, and it worked for them because it created legend 661 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,440 and it created myth. 662 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 663 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,440 In late '91, Nirvana played a gig in Edinburgh, 664 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,080 at the Calton Studios, 665 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,040 and then afterwards they went to a bar called The Southern. 666 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,840 And this night, Kurt and Dave did an acoustic set in this 667 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,160 rough and ready boozer. 668 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,280 I wish to God I'd been there because it must 669 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,960 have been unbelievable. 670 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,400 Well, it has changed a bit, but it's the same building. 671 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,960 Aye, it's trying to place where everything was, 672 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,600 cos there was the raised stage over there and stuff like that. 673 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,080 Looks cleaner than it did. 674 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,080 It was primarily a biker bar, so there was always a line of bikes 675 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,160 parked outside in the street there. 676 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,360 It would be rammed and it'd be really noisy. 677 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,920 Dunsy and I were a band called The Joyriders, and I knew Nirvana 678 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,880 from being in the previous band that had supported them no tour, 679 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,880 their first UK tour. 680 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,800 We were doing a charity gig for the Sick Kids Hospital in here. 681 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960 My brother was their tour manager and we knew they had a night off, 682 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600 so we kind of asked if they'd do it. They said yes. 683 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,120 It started getting really busy in the middle 684 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,880 of the afternoon because, obviously, word had got around. 685 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,280 I remember it filling up and thinking, "This is kind of 686 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600 "spiralling out of control." The place was rammed. 687 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,040 There was, what, about 200, 300 people in here? 688 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,960 As we went on and played longer... And longer. ..and longer and longer, 689 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,560 people started leaving. 690 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,760 There was shouts from the audience of, "Where are they?" and... 691 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,520 I think people were really gobsmacked when David and Kurt 692 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,320 showed up at the door. 693 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,160 I said to Murdo, "I think we'll survive this, I think we'll 694 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,840 "survive this." 695 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,240 So, I mean, the vast majority of people had been here 696 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,160 during the day, had left, so there was maybe only 30 people left 697 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,600 when the band actually turned up. 698 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,480 But if you were to do a straw poll in Edinburgh, you'd probably meet 699 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,160 about, like, 500, 600 people who will tell you that they 700 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200 were at the gig. Yeah. They weren't. 701 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,960 We just sat on these bar stools and played some music. 702 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,760 # I'm not like them but I can pretend 703 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,520 # The sun is gone but I have a light... # 704 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,480 I felt completely comfortable doing that, maybe more so than anything 705 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,840 else we were doing at the time, like playing on Top Of The Pops, 706 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960 you know. Like, that just seemed a little more natural to me. 707 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,120 To see them with pints, strumming acoustic guitars, 708 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,760 just being really relaxed 709 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,800 and having a bit of a blether with people, 710 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,480 it felt really special. 711 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080 They played and then they hung around, we shut the curtains, 712 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,400 and then we just stayed for most of the night. 713 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,920 And then I sat at the bar and someone gave me a lesson 714 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,000 in whisky that went on for a long time! 715 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,600 If you say to people now that, you know, "Nirvana played in my pub," 716 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,120 they go, "Aye, right! Pull the other one!" You know? 717 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,440 But it happened! 718 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,440 What everyone does know about Seattle now is its music, 719 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,000 which sounds like the illegitimate offspring of punk and thrash metal, 720 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,280 and looks like the result of a nasty accident in an Oxfam shop - 721 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,880 grunge. 722 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,800 I wasn't really plugged into the mainstream world, so I never 723 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,680 thought that we would have anything to do with that, because we were 724 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,200 kind of weird. And, yeah, then the next thing we know, 725 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,200 we're just really, really popular. 726 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,720 Everybody's talking about grunge at the moment. 727 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,840 What exactly is it? OK, it's against the commercialisation of the '80s, 728 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,760 and it's very anti-fashion. 729 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,360 It's got to be dark and preferably faded. Flannel shirt, like that, 730 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120 perhaps, over there, which you actually put around your waist 731 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,280 and you don't actually wear it as a shirt, 732 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,400 just as something to cover your bottom, really. 733 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,560 It doesn't matter if your jumper's got holes in it, 734 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,960 you can recycle clothes and you can wear just, like, 735 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,840 the scruffiest things. Oh, my God! As a scruffy kid 736 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,360 throughout my life, that completely appealed to me. 737 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,680 It really did. 738 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,600 The people who were close to the music never really took 739 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,440 any of that stuff seriously at all. 740 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,320 Once you start having ยฃ5,000 checked shirts being worn by models 741 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,080 in New York fashion shows, you know, the shark has been well 742 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,360 and truly jumped. 743 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,600 You have to remember how bizarre it was that Nirvana became 744 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,200 so omnipresent and so culturally important, because they were 745 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,240 the first band in my mind to do that, to actually be so visceral, 746 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,400 to be so cathartic and to actually break through into a mainstream 747 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,960 crowd, and Nirvana almost requalified what pop music 748 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,520 could be at that point. 749 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,160 MUSIC: Love In An Elevator by Aerosmith 750 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,120 It's also, I think, very important to remember that rock music, 751 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120 especially at that point, was so macho, it was kind of seen 752 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,360 as a boys club, and Kurt Cobain had no interest 753 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,400 in furthering that mind-set. 754 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,440 Like, what was all this kind of misogynistic take on playing 755 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,640 rock music? 756 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,760 # Workin' like a dog for the boss man Whoa 757 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,240 # Workin' for the company Whoa, yeah... # 758 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,200 You know, it was a time when the music industry, 759 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,480 rock and roll just needed to be shook up. 760 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,800 You know, there was Aerosmith and this...kind of this hair metal 761 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,800 scene that was... That was that archetype, right? 762 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,600 And then in Nirvana, we came, we had facial hair and we had grubby 763 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:45,160 clothes, but we had a very feminine sensibility, right? 764 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,600 And that's how things change. 765 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,800 # Come as you are 766 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,600 # As you were 767 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,000 # As I want you to be... # 768 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,960 Kurt was a pro-feminist person 769 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,840 and he was anti-homophobic. 770 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,680 He actually said, "If you're homophobic or don't respect women," 771 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,840 and so forth, so forth, "don't come to our gigs, 772 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,800 "don't buy our records." 773 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,720 Saying something like that has a really big impact, 774 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,920 and that's one of the legacies, I think, that he's left. 775 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,600 # Memoria... # 776 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,160 Kurt was really intense, so he could be incredibly sweet, 777 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,560 but he could also spit venom. 778 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,520 Kurt really cared a lot about people, 779 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,800 and it was a gift, but maybe that weighed on him some, right? 780 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,840 As they started to explode on a global scale, it was like being in 781 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,960 the eye of the hurricane. Normality in the centre, 782 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,640 everything else crazy. 783 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,040 I think we all sort of processed it and dealt with it and did it 784 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240 in our own ways, and, you know, as the drummer of the band, 785 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,160 I really was, like, practically anonymous. 786 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,960 I was kind of relieved of a lot of that pressure of the success. 787 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,200 I really can't speak for Kurt's experience but, I mean, it seems 788 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,360 pretty clear that his experience was a bit more complicated 789 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440 than Chris and I's. 790 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,160 By summer 1992, the tabloids were feeding on every bit 791 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,640 of Nirvana gossip, rumour that they could find. 792 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,200 So there was a rather fevered atmosphere that was building 793 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,840 up in advance of Nirvana's headlining appearance 794 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,480 at Reading in 1992. 795 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,080 There was loads of rumours that the band were going to split 796 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,360 up and there was lots of talk that they were going 797 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,960 to cancel Reading. 798 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,720 Everywhere you went, people just said, "Are Nirvana playing? 799 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,240 "We've heard they're not playing. Where's Kurt?" 800 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,000 And it was just nonstop. 801 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,760 This is Little John Farm in Reading, 802 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,520 the site of the Reading Festival for aeons. 803 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,800 It's very strange trying to get your bearings. 804 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,720 Yeah, I'm guessing that... 805 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,600 ..the main stage was roughly over here. 806 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,360 August bank holiday, 1992, Sunday... 807 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,720 ..the energy was palpable. 808 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,480 A sea of people, as far as you could see, really. 809 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,600 On the night, Kurt just masterfully sent up all the scare stories. 810 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,480 He came on in a medical smock. 811 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,120 He was wheeled on stage by Everett True, the Melody Maker journalist. 812 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,560 With the support of his friends and family, 813 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,360 he's going to make it. 814 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,880 CHEERING 815 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,360 I remember standing side stage giggling, just hysterically. 816 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,800 # Some say love 817 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,560 # It is a river. # 818 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,040 CHEERING 819 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920 That was his kind of like fuck you to everybody. 820 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,640 It was just...just wonderful rock and roll theatre. 821 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,080 ELECTRIC GUITAR PLAYS 822 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,120 I definitely felt like we had to prove ourselves. 823 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,680 # I don't care, I don't care I don't care, I don't care 824 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,880 # I don't care, care if it's old. # 825 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,440 And at the time, I didn't really feel entirely confident 826 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,480 that we could do that. 827 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,800 We hadn't really been playing very much at all 828 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,040 and I think we maybe rehearsed once... 829 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,320 ..twice maybe. 830 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,480 # Get away, away, away from your home. # 831 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,800 I think every amount of frustration and anger that they had felt 832 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,480 over the last few months was channelled into that show. 833 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,200 # If you have, if you need 834 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,520 # I don't even care, we could have all three 835 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,680 # She said, she said 836 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,880 # She said, she said. # 837 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,800 CHEERING 838 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920 And everyone's singing every word to Breed 839 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,800 and every word to Teen Spirit, every word to Lithium. 840 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,280 # I'm so happy cos today I found my friends 841 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,720 # They're in my head 842 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,360 # I'm so ugly That's OK, cos so are you. # 843 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,560 It really was a triumphant return in a time, 844 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,040 where I'm not sure even we knew we could do it. 845 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,840 # Yeah, yeah 846 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,720 # Yeah, yeah 847 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,560 # Yeah, yeah 848 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,880 # Yeah, yeah. # 849 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,000 I just remember being so fucking relieved 850 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,440 that we didn't train wreck in front of everybody. 851 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520 I was...I was very happy. 852 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,920 # Yeah, yeah 853 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,720 # Yeah, yeah. # 854 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,680 I remember it being a little bit ramshackled but... 855 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,400 ..but that's punk rock, innit? 856 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,520 # Yeah, yeah. # 857 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,000 At the end of the night, they just overdid it. 858 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000 Just too much head-banging and... 859 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,400 ..I had to wear a neck collar for a few days, gave myself whiplash. 860 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,920 # I'm not going to crack. # 861 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,920 CHEERING 862 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,480 Them giving me the opportunity to do this 863 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,400 has got me through dark times of feeling depressed and worthless 864 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,920 and I just think, 865 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,560 "Well, hold on a minute. You've done this. You can die happy, 866 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,960 "having contributed to this mythological show." 867 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,560 # What else should I be? 868 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,880 # All apologies. # 869 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,960 It's bittersweet, '92, you know. 870 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,600 It was the last time I saw Kurt. 871 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,960 Reading '92 had a huge significance or relevance in... 872 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,040 ..the timeline of the band, emotionally. 873 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,680 It was huge. 874 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,640 # Buried 875 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,960 # Buried. # 876 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160 And, unfortunately, it was the last time we ever played the UK. 877 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,800 Nirvana were meant to tour the UK in spring '94, 878 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,920 but by that point, things were already looking very... 879 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,640 ..grave indeed. 880 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,600 There had been an overdose in Rome, the tour was cancelled. 881 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,120 Things were really, really serious at this point. 882 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,240 Even though Kurt was really talkative, 883 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:51,280 it just wasn't the same energy. 884 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,280 The crew and everything was flat. 885 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,280 It just wasn't the same. 886 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,320 It was kind of obvious he had a bit of a drug problem back then. 887 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,600 It was just really uncomfortable. 888 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,360 A lot happened to Nirvana in a very short period of time. 889 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,000 Those few years between headlining Reading 1992... 890 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,920 ..and cancelling that 1994 tour, 891 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,320 it was kind of like... 892 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,040 ..being shaken from side to side and just holding on, 893 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,880 trying to...to keep from... 894 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,440 ..sinking. 895 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,000 And so, in a way, that was us saying, 896 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,440 "No, this is not going to happen right now. 897 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,520 "We need to take care of some other shit." 898 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,240 Nowadays, depression is... 899 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,920 Everybody talks about it...more openly. 900 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,400 Got to look after people. 901 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120 That person's struggling a bit, we'd better go and help them. 902 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,440 That didn't happen then, did it? 903 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,720 Society used to be all about just coping and getting on with it 904 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,680 and you'll all be OK. 905 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,000 There was so much bravado and... 906 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,560 ..it never felt like it was the right thing to do, 907 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,760 to put your hand up and just kind say, "God, I'm struggling here." 908 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,680 From 1991 to 1994... 909 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,440 ..when I think about that period, 910 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,840 it feels like it was ten years. 911 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,520 It was really intense just from the attention. 912 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,800 Those are the personal things that I'm still trying to get a grip on. 913 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,240 And we just wanted to make music. 914 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,960 It wasn't till late Thursday night, early Friday morning 915 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,240 that people in Britain found out the news. 916 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440 The lead singer of the rock band Nirvana, Kurt Cobain, 917 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,440 has been found dead at his home in the United States. 918 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,640 Police say it looks as if he shot himself. 919 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,040 He was 27 years old. 920 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,000 I remember coming down to breakfast and just everyone was talking about, 921 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,720 "Have you heard that Kurt Cobain is dead?" 922 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,880 Whatever you thought about his mind-set at the time, 923 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,240 it was still such a shock. It was so sad. 924 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,480 I think one of the things 925 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,280 we always kind of had in the back of our mind is like, what happened? 926 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,960 What went wrong? 927 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,720 Yeah, it was extremely upsetting. 928 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,640 Just crying for three or four days. 929 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,840 I remember running straight upstairs to tell my mum and dad 930 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,680 that Kurt Cobain had died because it was on the news. 931 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,040 I remember it was the first time I cried... 932 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,240 ..about losing something or someone. 933 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,160 It felt like it was someone you knew. 934 00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,640 I'm still processing the Kurt stuff, you know? 935 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,440 Because... 936 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,280 ..I have to explain it to my kids... 937 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,560 ..who love Nirvana. 938 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,320 Because for the longest time, you know, I would... 939 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,320 ..I would try to process and talk about it with friends and family 940 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,720 and things like that... 941 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,120 ..and they would help me... 942 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,440 ..but... 943 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,960 ..now, like, I feel like I have to help my kids go through it. 944 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,680 It's a lifetime of healing. 945 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,600 It must have been over ten years before I listened to Nirvana again. 946 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,040 I'd hear tracks every so often, 947 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,120 but most times if they ever come on... 948 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,760 ..I try to listen to them but I just find it difficult. 949 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,560 I think all of us flailed around for a few years 950 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,760 and through sort of the rest of the '90s. 951 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,760 It was a very, very tough time, personally and emotionally 952 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,000 and there wasn't any real closure on it. 953 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,760 MUSIC: Territorial Pissings by Nirvana 954 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,480 It's been 30 years, but coming back to the UK, 955 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,040 it really is like a second home. 956 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,680 Anton Brookes, Russell Warby - 957 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,920 I still work with most of those people. 958 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,360 Whenever the Foo Fighters come back for shows, 959 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000 like, we get together like it's a family reunion, 960 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,880 so there is a bond that is like a forever thing between all of us. 961 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,640 To this day, I'll get fan letters 962 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,840 or I meet people, like, in the public 963 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,200 and they'll say, "Nirvana got me through a really bad time", 964 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,840 or, "Once I heard Nirvana, I kind of... 965 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,080 "..felt better about things." 966 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,480 And I'm so grateful that people are connecting that way 967 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,520 still with Nirvana, because that's the way I feel about music. 968 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:30,000 # Got to find a way, find a way When I'm there 969 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,160 # Got to find a way, a better way I'd better wait 970 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:40,480 # Got to find a way, find a way When I'm there 971 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,880 # Got to find a way, find a way When I'm there 972 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,040 # Got to find a way, find a way When I'm there 973 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,840 # Got to find a way, find a way. # 974 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600 SCREAMING 127905

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