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Having sold over a million records
in six weeks,
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they're straight in at number nine,
here's Nirvana,
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with Smells Like Teen Spirit.
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CHEERING
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MUSIC: Smells Like Teen Spirit
by Nirvana
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It was a time when the
music industry, rock and roll,
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just needed to be shook up.
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This little band from Seattle,
having the audacity to, like,
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break on to TV and be so subversive.
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It was punk rock.
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# With the lights out
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It's less dangerous
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# Here we are now
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# Entertain us
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# Yeah! #
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The UK definitely responded
to Nirvana
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much more before America.
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You guys were the first
with everything.
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It really is like a second home.
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Nirvana brought to Britain
the most exciting time in music.
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They left an incredible legacy
to so many bands
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and so many music fans.
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I'd never seen somebody
running at full pelt
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and taking a dive onto the drum kit.
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# With the lights out
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# It's less dangerous... #
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We didn't know then we were
sitting in a room with a band
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who were going to go on and be
the biggest band in the world.
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If you say to people now that
Nirvana played in my pub,
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they go, "Aye, right".
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But it happened!
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# Entertain us
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# A mulatto
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# An albino... #
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He came on in a medical smock.
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It was just wonderful
rock and roll theatre.
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# A mulatto... #
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Everybody's talking grunge.
What exactly is it?
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They made it all right
to be an outsider,
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they made it all right
to not fit in.
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A lot happened to Nirvana
in a very short period of time,
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and that can be hard to survive.
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# A denial! #
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This programme
contains strong language
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MUSIC: I Should Be So Lucky
by Kylie Minogue
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The '80s in Britain was all about
wealth and affluence and power.
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Music was very formulaic.
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You had a lot of
Stock, Aitken and Waterman.
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Everything was just
very shiny and very happy,
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and there was very little rebellion.
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MUSIC: Cross My Broken Heart
by Sinitta
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I was always one of those people
who never felt like they fitted in.
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And I think a lot of people
like myself were seeking something
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else that was an alternative.
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# Cross my broken heart
and said goodbye... #
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In July of '88, I'm running this
little agency, working out of my
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bedroom in Nottingham.
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I had no cash, and I was
promoting gigs and losing money,
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Purely by chance, somebody called me
up and said, "Oh, you know, there's
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"these people in Holland
and there's these guys in Germany
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"and they're bringing bands to
the UK. I wonder if you might be
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"interested in helping them
to set up some shows."
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And I started to develop
these relationships
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with these American artists
and the American labels.
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And I begin to hear
about the label Sub Pop.
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Sup Pop were an independent
record label based in Seattle,
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in the Pacific Northwest
of the United States.
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They were known for this strain
of music that would become known,
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in time, as grunge.
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They had the likes of Mudhoney,
Tad and Soundgarden.
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I think Sub Pop was probably
a reaction to the government
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and the society that was going
on in America at the time.
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So it was very anti-conservative.
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It was very much about the spirit
of independence. It was about doing
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it yourself. It was about
the spirit of rebellion
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in a record label.
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And one day, through the post,
I get sent a seven-inch single
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of Love Buzz,
the first Nirvana seven-inch...
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MUSIC: Love Buzz by Nirvana
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..with a little note,
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"I think you'll like this."
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I'm about 20 seconds into
this record and I think,
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"I don't like this, I love this."
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# Would you believe me
when I tell you
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# You're the queen of my heart? #
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This very raw, vocal,
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and this really...
real melodic sensibility.
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# Can you feel my love buzz?
Can you feel my love buzz? #
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And I started petitioning Sub Pop -
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"We've got to get Nirvana
over here to tour."
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MUSIC: School by Nirvana
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Nirvana came to Britain in 1989.
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They were touring with Tad,
a double headliner,
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Sub Pop extravaganza,
and also with an opening band
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called The Cateran, who were
from Edinburgh in Scotland.
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# Won't you believe it?
It's just my luck
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# Won't you believe it?
It's just my luck
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# Won't you believe it?
It's just my luck... #
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We did the tour as sort of first on.
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It was fantastic.
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There was Kurt and Krist,
and the drummer at that point
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was Chad Channing.
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That was the last tour
he did with them.
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Lovely guys.
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# Won't you believe it?
It's just my luck... #
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Yeah, I'd never been
to Great Britain, and we got
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off the plane and we were
in this...a different world.
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Just got to be careful which way
you look when you cross the street.
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Whenever I went to London or
Manchester or Leeds, Newcastle,
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I always had a great time there.
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Just your typical kind of
working-class lads,
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very kind of overwhelmed
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that they were in Britain.
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There was a British road crew
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because the record label
had no money.
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We were in a Transit van, Tad and
Nirvana were in a slightly more
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upmarket Transit van
that had seats in it.
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But there was a lot of them
in it, and a couple of roadies
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and a driver,
so they were pretty cramped.
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And we were staying in a manky flat,
having to share beds, dirty sleeping
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bags, scabby carpets, people's
flats, that kind of thing.
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You know, people were putting us
up at some of those gigs.
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It wasn't hotels, it wasn't
glamorous, and it was hard work.
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We did drink a lot of beer,
you know, mess around a lot,
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but it wasn't that kind of
hell-raiser sort of thing.
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It was a bunch of guys who needed
to get to bed at some point
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because they were going to be up,
into the van at seven o'clock
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the following morning without
having had a shower, sick
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of the sight of each other,
in for another day's slog.
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So it's kind of rock and roll,
but not very,
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not what people think of.
# No recess! #
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MUSIC: Been A Son by Nirvana
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1989, I would have been 20.
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I was pitching around,
following bands.
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There was, like, a real
underground little movement of
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people who just were
living that life.
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A lot were students,
a lot were just signing on.
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The future didn't seem
very bright for a lot
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of young people at the time so it
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was like, well, let's make our own
fun. It was a way of life, really.
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Got to the first Nirvana gig, got
there for sound check, introduced
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myself, and me and all my friends
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would be on the guest list
for the rest of the tour.
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They were like, "Would you like
a job, selling T-shirts for us?"
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You'd get paid a T-shirt
a night, which was ยฃ5.
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"You can either keep
the T-shirt or the ยฃ5."
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I thought, "Well, I'll keep the ยฃ5,"
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because that was a lot of money
back then,
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I only had ยฃ27
a week to live on, on the dole.
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But if I'd kept the T-shirts,
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they're worth 450 quid
each now, so...
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I remember at Duchess of York
in Leeds - pub by day,
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gig venue by night -
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it was small but excellent,
and filthy beyond words.
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The Duchess was basically
a starting point for bands coming
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on to the scene.
Tad were the headliners -
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they were considered to be
the better band - and Nirvana
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were in the middle.
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I'll be honest, I certainly didn't
think that they'd be the band
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that they turned out to be.
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This is a really good photo of them
loading in, and I think
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Kurt's in the picture somewhere.
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It just shows the mundane
side of touring with bands.
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It's not like today,
where they roll up with three
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artics, these bands, and loads of
make-up people and wardrobe and,
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you know, yoga instructors. It
just like, you know, three guys
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in the band. That was it. Going on
stage, you know. What's the story?
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We went up there
and just did our thing.
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People were connecting
with it right off the bat.
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In those days, you know,
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they were all prepared to, like,
just doss down anywhere, you know,
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just to get gigs.
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And Nirvana went upstairs
and they kipped everywhere
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around the dressing room.
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We had a white leather sofa
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and the bands used to write
their autographs on it,
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and Kurt slept on
the sofa in my office.
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In the end, I gave it to
the Sheffield Rock Museum,
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which I thought was quite funny.
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It would have normally been
the situation that we would
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have played at the University
of London Union,
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which was the established venue
for breaking artists coming
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from the sort of alternative music
world, but they didn't want us.
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I think they considered that
there was something rather
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undesirable about these
noisy and filthy punks.
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So we ended up at the School
of Oriental African Studies.
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It was very chaotic,
just constant stage diving,
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just absolute total chaos.
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The stage diving came
out of the hardcore scene
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in the United States.
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That just followed us
from the punk rock scene
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into the mainstream.
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Kurt was coming off the stage
and I'm like, "What are you doing?
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"Why don't you let
the fire extinguisher off?"
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And his face just lit up
and he grabs the fire extinguisher
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and just runs on stage
and lets it off.
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Just like being in charge of,
like, naughty kids, you know.
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The other side of it is, like, we
were getting paid for it and just
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getting away with it, you know?
So it was all good.
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And that was Kurt.
He could be so intense.
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And that's what appeals
to so many people.
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And in the meantime, we would try
to have as much fun as possible
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and just be really silly.
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Maybe that was just kind of
to balance the intensity.
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DANCE MUSIC PLAYS
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Well, 1989 was a year of flux, and
I think it's a revolutionary year
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in a way. With the Berlin Wall
coming down, East Europe changed,
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and those countries getting
out of that oppression
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they'd had for years, it felt
like everything was possible.
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And in a sense,
that's what the music was.
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There was so many diverse and
different scenes all colliding at
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the same time. The Manchester
thing was really massive,
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so it's the Stone Roses
and the Happy Mondays.
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Things were definitely breaking
down and changing politically,
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socially and musically.
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We Conservatives know what we
believe, say what we believe
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and stand by what we believe.
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We'd had a right-wing government
in Britain for ten years
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at that point, there didn't seem
to be any potential end to that.
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There was a cultural reaction, and
you saw that manifest in Britain,
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specifically in the rave scene
and the acid house scene.
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HOUSE MUSIC PLAYS
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People were taking matters
into their own hands, and the
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authorities were trying to clamp
down on these illegal rave parties.
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And in a way, the music that
came out of Sub Pop and came
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to the UK was a similarly
joyous expression
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of people's discontent.
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There was a lot of pent-up
frustration and anger, I felt,
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and people were looking
for a way to express that.
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Between 1989, when they toured
the UK for the first time,
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and when they came back in October
1990, Nirvana had a line-up change.
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Chad Channing left.
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Chad was a great drummer,
but in Kurt's
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mind, he was the wrong type
of drummer for Nirvana.
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I was 21 years old, and the band
that I was in, that was called
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Scream, we had kind of fallen apart,
broken up while we were on the road.
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I was stranded in Los Angeles
with no way to get home.
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And then I got a phone call from
a friend, and I had told him
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that Scream had broken up.
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And he said, "Hey, have
you ever heard of Nirvana?"
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And of course I'd heard
of Nirvana because everybody loved
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that album Bleach.
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He said, "You know,
they're looking for a drummer.
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"You should call them."
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And so Kurt and I go to the airport
and we picked Dave up, and we found
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this barn studio place
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in North Tacoma, and so it
was just like, "Let's play."
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MUSIC: Sliver by Nirvana
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And then we would just kind of jam,
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and we knew right away
it just clicked.
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# Mom and dad went to a show
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# They dropped me off
at Grandpa Joe's
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# I kicked and screamed
Said "Please, don't go!"
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# Grandma take me home
Grandma take me home
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# Grandma take me home
Grandma take me home... #
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Within a few songs, I just knew,
they knew, we knew that this is it.
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We just had this feel together
that sounded like Nirvana.
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And I think it was maybe about 30
days before we went over to the UK
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for that tour.
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Hey, man!
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If this bird goes down,
this is the safest place to be!
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I'm going to be here,
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and I'm going to be safe
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as can be.
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Wooo!
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I remember bringing a video camera
and it was just to be as silly
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as possible, putting on this
persona, that's just not...
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It's not the real me.
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Welcome to British Airways!
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Please follow all the rules.
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You hear me?
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As soon as you walked on this plane,
I took one gander at you and I saw
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nothing but trouble.
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I joined a band with strangers,
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these two guys I didn't fucking
know, so that I could, like,
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just kind of experience
the adventure and the mystery,
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not really ever knowing
what was going to come next,
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Because it says it's almost
3:00 in the morning.
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Meaning we've been on
this thing for five hours.
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You never know. Time flies
when you're having fun.
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LAUGHTER
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20th of October, 1990,
we picked them up from Heathrow,
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we brought them into town
and they went and stayed
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at the Dalmacia, which is a
guesthouse in Shepherd's Bush Road.
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Russell! Goddamn it!
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It was fairly unremarkable, but the
guy that owned the place, George,
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was very, very accommodating
towards musicians.
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One day, Nirvana basically
knocked on the door and said,
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"Have you got any rooms?"
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So I said, "Yeah, OK,
how many nights do you need?"
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So they came in, they had a look
and said, "Yeah, this is fine."
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Got them upstairs
to sign the visitor's book,
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and that was that, they came in.
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They said, "Oh, we've
got all of this stuff."
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And I said, "Well, OK,
I'll stick them in the basement."
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There were all three of us, like,
crammed into one little room,
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like The Monkees, you know.
We're like, "Krist's bed's there,
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"Kurt's there, and I'm over here."
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We'd wake up in the morning,
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there was this nice family
that would make us fried toast
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and beans and bangers, and we'd just
sit there drinking tea all morning.
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It was a massive upgrade
from the Scream days.
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I mean, in Scream,
we stayed in squats.
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We stayed in places where you'd show
up and they'd be burning the linens
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out front because there's
a fucking scabies outbreak.
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And so when I joined Nirvana,
to me, that was like...
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That was some Four Seasons shit.
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Dave Grohl, he's one of the few
people I've met who's always happy.
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Kurt, he would be
sometimes withdrawn.
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I couldn't pin him down,
character-wise.
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Whereas Krist, because he was
Croatian and we're half Croatian,
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we'd have a bit of a connection.
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My favourite time being in Britain
was at the Dalmacia house.
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I'm a Dalmatian!
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Not the dog with spots,
but from Croatia!
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My parents are both from there.
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And so I felt right at home.
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Wooo!
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We would walk around
and just get lost.
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Let's get some tea at the Dome Cafe.
Want some tea? Yeah.
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We were broke,
but it just felt homey.
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I can't get used to
the traffic situation.
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Well, fuck it, man. Fuck it, man.
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Start driving normally!
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I have such fond
memories of that time.
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I mean, we were kids, you know.
I was 21, Kurt was maybe 23,
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Krist was maybe 24.
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We went down to Kensington Market
and just, like, bought as many
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records and cool leather jackets
as we could find.
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And there was a kebab place
which was opened, luckily for us,
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until three o'clock in the morning.
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Yeah, it was an extension
of their kitchen.
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Well, here we are.
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It doesn't look that much
different to when I was last here.
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This is where the Dalmacia Hotel
used to be,
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and down there, I think,
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that's the bus stop where we did
some of the photos, the day
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I interviewed Nirvana here.
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So I interviewed Nirvana in...
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..I think it was late 1990.
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I was working at the NME
at the time.
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We turned up in this
slightly anonymous hotel
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and I think Kurt opened the door.
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Krist Novoselic did the entire
interview laying on his bed.
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Well, with the covers over
him, actually, moaning
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about the English cold
which he'd picked up.
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Dave pootled around, picking up
dirty laundry, I think.
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I mean, we didn't know then we were
sitting in the room with a band
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who were going to go on and be
the biggest band in the world.
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We talked about, sort of, where
they wanted to go musically,
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and then we had quite
a long, daft conversation
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about, what would be
the perfect pet?
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Kurt Cobain, I think it was, said,
"I think a turtle.
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"That would share my
character quite well."
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We came outside and Martin Goodacre,
the photographer, did some
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shots, I think, on the steps
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with the Dalmacia Hotel sign behind.
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CAMERA CLICKS
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There's the famous Kurt Cobain shot
where he's sort of doing this kind
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of...just looking up at you.
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I remember Martin having his camera
ready, and Kurt wouldn't look up.
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So Martin is persisting and saying,
"Come on, Kurt, look up."
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And he didn't look up.
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And eventually I think Martin said
something like, "If I promise
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"this is the last photo
that we're going to do today
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"and you can go after that,
will you look up?" And Kurt looked
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up and just did that.
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And that's the famous photo.
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MUSIC: About A Girl by Nirvana
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The first tour that I did
with Nirvana, in 1990,
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that, to me, was my rock and roll
fantasy come true.
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# I need an easy friend
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# I do, with an ear to lend... #
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All we had to do was play the music.
That was all that was expected
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of us, right?
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No saviours of a generation
or spokespeople for a generation.
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It was about the music.
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We were free. We were happy.
We were young.
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We were playing music.
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People were fucking bouncing
around while we played it,
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and it was...it was great.
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# I'm standing in your line... #
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And you could tell at that point,
like, something was happening.
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# I'll take advantage while... #
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The UK definitely responded to
Nirvana much more before America.
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It just seemed to me like you guys
were the first with everything.
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Like, we cut our teeth there. After
that tour in the UK, I remember
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going back to America, to the same
bars and clubs where we were playing
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to 99 people, 150 people.
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It was definitely not
like it was in the UK.
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# I do. #
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CHEERING
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APPLAUSE
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The late '80s, I was quite
a bit lost, early 20s, not knowing
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what direction I was going in,
not dealing with
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adulthood very well.
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Would have been on the dole,
travelling around.
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Yeah, just a bit rough and ready.
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Tony was my buddy when I first
moved up to Nottingham
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and we became firm friends.
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Somewhere down the line
is this thing, as I did,
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I would rope in my friends,
you know, like,
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"Can you help me pick up
this band from the airport?"
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I ended up picking Nirvana
up from the airport, '89,
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I think it was,
and it started from there.
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Plan for tonight.
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I'm not sure how he wound up
backstage with fucking make-up
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and paint all over him,
but he became a dear friend.
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Kurt loved him. We all loved him.
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Woo! Wooo!
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I was a bit of a damaged character,
not interacting well sometimes
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in social scenes, and just being
a bit weird, and I guess Kurt
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was accepting of the weirdness
and took me under his wing.
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He just wound up coming up
on stage and dancing one night.
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MUSIC: Blew by Nirvana
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This guy just started
dancing on stage and, like,
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"Well, there you go."
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It was like... It was kind of fun.
HE CHUCKLES
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Well, I was just feeding the energy
from what was going on onstage.
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Maybe a bit of a Native American
dance or just pogoing
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or just doing something odd.
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You know, it was just do
anything, freestyle, you know?
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People would go, "Well, you know,
that was crap, I could do that."
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It's like, yeah, that's
the whole point of it, you know?
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I was absolutely stunned.
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I was like, "Wow, where did
that come from?" You know?
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00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,400
The Stone Roses had Cressa, The
Happy Mondays had Bez, we had Tony,
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you know? And, yeah, he's
better than all of those.
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That was Tony.
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CHEERING
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SOLO ACOUSTIC GUITAR PLAYS
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One thing I want to ask you is
about your influences.
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I would say the biggest influence
I've ever had would be the Beatles,
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because I listened to the Beatles
since I was five years old,
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up until I was in fourth grade,
and I wanted to see the Beatles,
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and it was about 1973 and I heard on
the radio that they'd been broken
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up for three years, you know,
and I was totally devastated.
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# She gives my everything
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# And tenderly
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# The kiss my lover brings
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# She brings to me
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# And I love her... #
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The Beatles were a huge influence
when I was young.
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My mother gave me an electric guitar
and a Beatles song book
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that I would sit down,
play the records and play
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along with the chords, you know?
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And I had no teacher.
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Like, that was how I learned
how to play was from listening
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to the Beatles.
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# And I love her... #
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Then I was introduced to hard
rock, such as Led Zeppelin.
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I got into that and
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it kind of meshed together, like,
when I started playing guitar,
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it kind of intertwined
the Beatles' melodic-style hooks
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with heavy, raunchy guitars.
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And I would say that's
probably how our style started.
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# It's been a long time
since I rock and rolled
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# It's been a long time
since I did the stroll... #
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I'd like to think that Britain
were kind of dear to Kurt
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and to Nirvana, more so
than maybe some other places.
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This was the place where a lot of
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Kurt's favourite bands
had come from.
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We had so much respect and so much
love for bands from the UK,
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like The Vaselines, The Raincoats,
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because we thought, like,
their music
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was worth being heard
by the masses, you know.
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"If you enjoy Nirvana,
you might enjoy this."
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MUSIC: Fairytale In The Supermarket
by The Raincoats
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The Raincoats formed in West London
in the late '70s postpunk era,
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formed by Gina Birch and
a Portuguese musician called
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Ana da Silva,
and Kurt was a big fan.
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When he first came to London,
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he went on an odyssey, trying
to find The Raincoats record,
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because you couldn't get
it in the States.
475
00:26:54,600 --> 00:27:00,920
Kurt said how much he respected
what we did, and so that was
476
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,520
a nice thing.
477
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,480
I was completely surprised.
478
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,800
Kurt wrote this thing
which got faxed to us.
479
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:15,480
"The Raincoats recorded some
music that has affected me so much
480
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,000
"that, whenever I hear it,
481
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,000
"I'm reminded of a particular time
in my life when I was extremely
482
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,880
"unhappy, lonely and bored.
483
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,560
"If it weren't for the luxury
of putting on that scratchy copy
484
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,720
"of The Raincoats' first album,
I would have had very few
485
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,960
"moments of peace."
486
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,240
It's very touching.
487
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,320
Um... Yeah.
488
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,920
MUSIC: Jesus Wants Me For A Sunbeam
by The Vaselines
489
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,600
# Jesus don't
want me for a sunbeam... #
490
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480
The Vaselines were a great band
from Glasgow, playing
491
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840
really great melodic guitar,
indie rock.
492
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,400
I mean, Jesus Wants Me For A Sunbeam
is an amazing song.
493
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
# Don't expect me to cry... #
494
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,400
Kurt was a huge Vaselines fan,
495
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,040
and he would talk about
The Vaselines in interviews,
496
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,800
and Nirvana covered
several Vaselines songs.
497
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520
Nobody liked us and
nobody really knew us,
498
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,800
so we were just having a night out
in Edinburgh, playing a gig,
499
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,200
and got to meet Nirvana,
who were complete strangers.
500
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,400
And Kurt just said
he liked our music,
501
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,360
and had a moment, you know,
that I'll never forget.
502
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,160
# Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam
503
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,840
# Cos sunbeams are not made like me
504
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,440
# And don't expect me to lie
505
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,800
# For all the reasons you had to die
506
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,080
# Don't ever ask
your love of me... #
507
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,840
This is a copy of a letter
Kurt wrote to me in 1991.
508
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Starts with, "Hi, Eugene.
509
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760
"We recorded Molly's Lips and Son Of
A Gun, hopefully to be released
510
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640
"in a few months.
511
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520
"The Vaselines have been my
favourite band for a long while now
512
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
"and, geez, I can't wait to see
you all soon.
513
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,560
"I got evicted from my apartment
and am living in my car,
514
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,560
"so I have no address, but here's
Chris's phone number for messages.
515
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,880
"Your pal, Kurdt."
516
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,320
CHEERNG
517
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,040
When we played the Reading
Festival in 1991, I think
518
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,840
we were halfway up the bill,
playing in the afternoon.
519
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,200
MUSIC: Come As You Are by Nirvana
520
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,640
But just seeing, like, 30,000
kids dancing to Nirvana...
521
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,360
..it was fucking awesome.
522
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,840
# Come as you are
523
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200
# As you were
524
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,640
# As I want you to be
525
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,320
# As a friend, as a friend
526
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,520
# As an old enemy... #
527
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,000
But in '91, I got there and
managed to blag it in as per usual.
528
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,160
I just remember being particularly
impressed with the new material.
529
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,200
# And I swear that
I don't have a gun
530
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,040
# No, I don't have a gun... #
531
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Could feel it in the atmosphere
in the crowd, definitely.
532
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Yeah, blown away.
533
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,960
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
534
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,160
MUSIC: Molly's Lips by Nirvana
535
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,720
They asked me to sing
the Vaselines song, Molly's Lips.
536
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,240
# She said she'd take me anywhere
She'd take me anywhere
537
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,800
# As long as she stays with me... #
538
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,440
I'd never been on any festival stage
in my life, and it was an amazing
539
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,520
thrill to sing one of your songs,
played by this great band.
540
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,040
# Kiss, kiss Molly's lips
Kiss, kiss Molly's lips. #
541
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,040
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
542
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,600
At the end of the show, Krist just
came on and smashed his bass,
543
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240
and we thought,
"Right, this is different."
544
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,040
I'd never seen somebody
walking to the lip of the stage
545
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,160
and then running at full pelt and
taking a dive onto the drum kit.
546
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,520
CHEERING
547
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,200
And I was standing next to people
in other bands, like Mudhoney,
548
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Sonic Youth, and they all went,
"Ha-ha!" like it was funny, and I
549
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,760
went, "Ooh, what's he done?!"
And, yeah, I think Kurt
550
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,120
dislocated his shoulder and he had
a sling for the rest of the day.
551
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,360
After Reading, Kurt sent me
a copy of the Nevermind cassette.
552
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:34,000
And so I'd done loads of copies
of that, with literally hundreds
553
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040
and hundreds of, like, cassettes,
554
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,720
and I'd be phoning up magazines
and papers in the UK - everybody
555
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,400
just wanted a copy,
556
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720
and there was just this,
like, amazing buzz.
557
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,720
CHEERING
558
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,240
MUSIC: In Bloom by Nirvana
559
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,800
Those songs are so catchy, and you
could tell that it was a step
560
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,480
up in terms of the song craft
that Kurt was summoning up.
561
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,320
# Sell the kids for food... #
562
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,720
Within about six months, Nirvana
were at the top of the charts
563
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,400
in America - they kicked Michael
Jackson off the top of the charts!
564
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,800
# He's the one
who likes all our pretty songs... #
565
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,920
You could feel that the energy
was changing and that the pace
566
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,160
was really picking up.
567
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440
# But he don't know
what it means... #
568
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200
You know, the days of just laying
around a bed and breakfast
569
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,480
and then loading your equipment
into a club to play for some people
570
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,080
had passed. At this point, we were
now doing interviews and we were
571
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920
going to radio stations.
572
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120
I was working on The Word,
which was a TV programme,
573
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,880
and I was booking bands, and
I remember sitting in the office
574
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,400
and it was a record label
who contacted me and they said,
575
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920
"We've got this band and
they're really exciting, we think
576
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,760
"they're going to blow up." And just
as soon as I listened to the song,
577
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,600
Smells Like Teen Spirit, I was like,
"OK, right, you know, we've got
578
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,040
"a space next Friday. Can they
do it? Are they available?
579
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,520
"I want them on the show."
580
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
The Word was,
like, the biggest show
581
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,600
if you were kind of between,
I suppose, 12, really, and 30.
582
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,240
And just about anyone big
in that era, from 1990 to '95,
583
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,720
we got them on before anybody else.
584
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,160
Meanwhile, here's Nirvana, kicking
it up good style. 600,000 copies
585
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,000
of their album in the USA,
and first time live on TV.
586
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,920
CHEERING
587
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,920
See you next week.
588
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,600
It was live and it was uncontrolled,
so when Nirvana came on,
589
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:50,080
we were overrunning a bit, and then
Kurt Cobain made his famous speech.
590
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,040
I'd like all of you people in this
room to know that Courtney Love,
591
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,320
the lead singer of the
sensational pop group Hole,
592
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,200
is the best fuck in the world.
CHEERING
593
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,280
This was their Sex Pistols moment,
594
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,360
because musically, culturally,
595
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,760
philosophically, they were
a dare to people's minds
596
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,720
and to their sensibilities.
597
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,000
# Load up on guns
Bring your friends
598
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,080
# It's fun to lose
and to pretend... #
599
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,840
To me, that was almost
like a statement of intent.
600
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,400
It was like this little band
from Seattle having the audacity
601
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,240
to break onto TV
and be so subversive.
602
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,600
It was punk rock.
603
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,840
# With the lights out
it's less dangerous
604
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,240
# Here we are now, entertain us... #
605
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,240
I just made sure that
I went right down the front,
606
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,160
so I was literally
looking up at Kurt.
607
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680
I don't think my feet touched
the ground from there on.
608
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Everyone was just bouncing up and
down. It was just sensational.
609
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,480
# Yeah
610
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,720
# Hey
611
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840
# Hey... #
612
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Smells Like Teen Spirit was probably
613
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,760
the first time I'd ever heard
614
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,160
someone genuinely scream their songs
615
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,480
and what they were singing.
His voice was just that raw.
616
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,200
It was pure honesty
and pure authenticity.
617
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,240
They were just dressed
like normal folk.
618
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,760
And for me, that was just
an absolute education,
619
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,760
and it really impacted my
outlook on music and on life.
620
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,520
# And I forget just why I taste... #
621
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
They made it all right to
be an outsider, they made it
622
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,960
all right to not fit in.
623
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,640
# I found it hard
Was hard to find
624
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,760
# Oh, well, whatever
never mind... #
625
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,320
From when I was 12 to when I was 15,
I just wanted to be Kurt Cobain.
626
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,280
You know, I had all his posters
on my wall. Literally every inch
627
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,880
of my wall was covered
with Kurt Cobain.
628
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,360
It just seemed so strange to
be on Top Of The Pops, right?
629
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,400
I mean, that was reserved
for, like, pop bands.
630
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,000
"We don't belong there!"
631
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
I think there was a conversation
about lip-synching,
632
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,480
which we had never done, and,
633
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,320
you know, felt uncomfortable
doing it, and they said,
634
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560
"OK, we'll let the vocals
be live, but the music
635
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160
"has to be pre-recorded."
636
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,160
I mean, you know, they were
just asking for it!
637
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,040
IN DEEP MONOTONE:
# Load up on drugs
638
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,880
# Kill your friends
639
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,320
# It's fun to lose... #
640
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,680
He sang in this ridiculous voice.
641
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,400
We're all, with our mouths wide
open, going,
642
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,240
"What the hell is this?!"
643
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,240
# Hello, hello, hello, hello
644
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,480
# Hello, hello, hello, hello... #
645
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,000
The audience, some of them
may have been fans and knew
646
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,880
what to do, and then there
was this other faction
647
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,760
that was just, like, trying to,
you know, dance to it.
648
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,520
Just a weird environment
where everyone's like,
649
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,400
"What the fuck
is going on right now?!"
650
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,960
Top Of The Pops back then was,
like, the biggest TV music show
651
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,080
you could possibly be on.
652
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,440
This was their big, big moment,
653
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520
and he completely sabotaged it.
654
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,080
# With the lights out
it's less dangerous... #
655
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Nirvana had a sense of humour.
656
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,320
They weren't miserable
bastards all the time.
657
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,880
It was very slapstick and very,
you know, like Monty Python.
658
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,760
# My libido
Yeah... #
659
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,800
If they're going to do something
like that, they were going to do
660
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,840
their own way, and it worked
for them because it created legend
661
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,440
and it created myth.
662
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,040
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
663
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,440
In late '91, Nirvana played
a gig in Edinburgh,
664
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,080
at the Calton Studios,
665
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,040
and then afterwards they went
to a bar called The Southern.
666
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,840
And this night, Kurt and Dave
did an acoustic set in this
667
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,160
rough and ready boozer.
668
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,280
I wish to God I'd been there
because it must
669
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,960
have been unbelievable.
670
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,400
Well, it has changed a bit,
but it's the same building.
671
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Aye, it's trying to place where
everything was,
672
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,600
cos there was the raised stage
over there and stuff like that.
673
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,080
Looks cleaner than it did.
674
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,080
It was primarily a biker bar,
so there was always a line of bikes
675
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,160
parked outside in the street there.
676
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,360
It would be rammed and
it'd be really noisy.
677
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,920
Dunsy and I were a band called
The Joyriders, and I knew Nirvana
678
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,880
from being in the previous band
that had supported them no tour,
679
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,880
their first UK tour.
680
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,800
We were doing a charity gig for
the Sick Kids Hospital in here.
681
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960
My brother was their tour manager
and we knew they had a night off,
682
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600
so we kind of asked if
they'd do it. They said yes.
683
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,120
It started getting
really busy in the middle
684
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,880
of the afternoon because,
obviously, word had got around.
685
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,280
I remember it filling up and
thinking, "This is kind of
686
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600
"spiralling out of control."
The place was rammed.
687
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,040
There was, what, about
200, 300 people in here?
688
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,960
As we went on and played longer...
And longer. ..and longer and longer,
689
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,560
people started leaving.
690
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,760
There was shouts from the audience
of, "Where are they?" and...
691
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,520
I think people were really
gobsmacked when David and Kurt
692
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,320
showed up at the door.
693
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,160
I said to Murdo, "I think we'll
survive this, I think we'll
694
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,840
"survive this."
695
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,240
So, I mean, the vast majority
of people had been here
696
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,160
during the day, had left, so there
was maybe only 30 people left
697
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,600
when the band actually turned up.
698
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,480
But if you were to do a straw poll
in Edinburgh, you'd probably meet
699
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,160
about, like, 500, 600 people
who will tell you that they
700
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
were at the gig. Yeah. They weren't.
701
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,960
We just sat on these bar stools
and played some music.
702
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,760
# I'm not like them
but I can pretend
703
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,520
# The sun is gone
but I have a light... #
704
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,480
I felt completely comfortable doing
that, maybe more so than anything
705
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,840
else we were doing at the time,
like playing on Top Of The Pops,
706
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960
you know. Like, that just seemed
a little more natural to me.
707
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,120
To see them with pints,
strumming acoustic guitars,
708
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,760
just being really relaxed
709
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,800
and having a bit of a blether
with people,
710
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,480
it felt really special.
711
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,080
They played and then they hung
around, we shut the curtains,
712
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,400
and then we just stayed for most
of the night.
713
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,920
And then I sat at the bar
and someone gave me a lesson
714
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,000
in whisky that went
on for a long time!
715
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,600
If you say to people now that, you
know, "Nirvana played in my pub,"
716
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,120
they go, "Aye, right!
Pull the other one!" You know?
717
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,440
But it happened!
718
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,440
What everyone does know
about Seattle now is its music,
719
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,000
which sounds like the illegitimate
offspring of punk and thrash metal,
720
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,280
and looks like the result of a nasty
accident in an Oxfam shop -
721
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,880
grunge.
722
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,800
I wasn't really plugged into
the mainstream world, so I never
723
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,680
thought that we would have anything
to do with that, because we were
724
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,200
kind of weird. And, yeah,
then the next thing we know,
725
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,200
we're just really, really popular.
726
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,720
Everybody's talking about grunge
at the moment.
727
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,840
What exactly is it? OK, it's against
the commercialisation of the '80s,
728
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,760
and it's very anti-fashion.
729
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,360
It's got to be dark and preferably
faded. Flannel shirt, like that,
730
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120
perhaps, over there, which you
actually put around your waist
731
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,280
and you don't actually wear it
as a shirt,
732
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,400
just as something to cover
your bottom, really.
733
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,560
It doesn't matter if your
jumper's got holes in it,
734
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,960
you can recycle clothes
and you can wear just, like,
735
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,840
the scruffiest things.
Oh, my God! As a scruffy kid
736
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,360
throughout my life, that
completely appealed to me.
737
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,680
It really did.
738
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,600
The people who were close
to the music never really took
739
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,440
any of that stuff seriously at all.
740
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,320
Once you start having ยฃ5,000 checked
shirts being worn by models
741
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,080
in New York fashion shows,
you know, the shark has been well
742
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,360
and truly jumped.
743
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,600
You have to remember how bizarre
it was that Nirvana became
744
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,200
so omnipresent and so culturally
important, because they were
745
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,240
the first band in my mind to do
that, to actually be so visceral,
746
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,400
to be so cathartic and to actually
break through into a mainstream
747
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,960
crowd, and Nirvana almost
requalified what pop music
748
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,520
could be at that point.
749
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,160
MUSIC: Love In An Elevator
by Aerosmith
750
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,120
It's also, I think, very important
to remember that rock music,
751
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120
especially at that point,
was so macho, it was kind of seen
752
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,360
as a boys club, and Kurt Cobain
had no interest
753
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,400
in furthering that mind-set.
754
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,440
Like, what was all this kind of
misogynistic take on playing
755
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,640
rock music?
756
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,760
# Workin' like a dog for
the boss man Whoa
757
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,240
# Workin' for the company
Whoa, yeah... #
758
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,200
You know, it was a time
when the music industry,
759
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,480
rock and roll just needed
to be shook up.
760
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,800
You know, there was Aerosmith
and this...kind of this hair metal
761
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,800
scene that was... That was
that archetype, right?
762
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,600
And then in Nirvana, we came, we
had facial hair and we had grubby
763
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:45,160
clothes, but we had a very
feminine sensibility, right?
764
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,600
And that's how things change.
765
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,800
# Come as you are
766
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,600
# As you were
767
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,000
# As I want you to be... #
768
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Kurt was a pro-feminist person
769
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,840
and he was anti-homophobic.
770
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,680
He actually said, "If you're
homophobic or don't respect women,"
771
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,840
and so forth, so forth,
"don't come to our gigs,
772
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,800
"don't buy our records."
773
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,720
Saying something like that
has a really big impact,
774
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,920
and that's one of the legacies,
I think, that he's left.
775
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,600
# Memoria... #
776
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Kurt was really intense,
so he could be incredibly sweet,
777
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,560
but he could also spit venom.
778
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,520
Kurt really cared
a lot about people,
779
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,800
and it was a gift, but maybe
that weighed on him some, right?
780
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,840
As they started to explode on a
global scale, it was like being in
781
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,960
the eye of the hurricane.
Normality in the centre,
782
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,640
everything else crazy.
783
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,040
I think we all sort of processed
it and dealt with it and did it
784
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240
in our own ways, and, you know,
as the drummer of the band,
785
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,160
I really was, like,
practically anonymous.
786
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,960
I was kind of relieved of a lot
of that pressure of the success.
787
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,200
I really can't speak for Kurt's
experience but, I mean, it seems
788
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,360
pretty clear that his experience
was a bit more complicated
789
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440
than Chris and I's.
790
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,160
By summer 1992, the tabloids
were feeding on every bit
791
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,640
of Nirvana gossip, rumour
that they could find.
792
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,200
So there was a rather fevered
atmosphere that was building
793
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,840
up in advance of Nirvana's
headlining appearance
794
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,480
at Reading in 1992.
795
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,080
There was loads of rumours
that the band were going to split
796
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,360
up and there was lots of talk
that they were going
797
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,960
to cancel Reading.
798
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,720
Everywhere you went, people
just said, "Are Nirvana playing?
799
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,240
"We've heard they're not playing.
Where's Kurt?"
800
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,000
And it was just nonstop.
801
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,760
This is Little John Farm in Reading,
802
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,520
the site of the Reading Festival
for aeons.
803
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,800
It's very strange trying to get
your bearings.
804
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,720
Yeah, I'm guessing that...
805
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,600
..the main stage was
roughly over here.
806
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,360
August bank holiday, 1992, Sunday...
807
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,720
..the energy was palpable.
808
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,480
A sea of people,
as far as you could see, really.
809
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,600
On the night, Kurt just masterfully
sent up all the scare stories.
810
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,480
He came on in a medical smock.
811
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,120
He was wheeled on stage by Everett
True, the Melody Maker journalist.
812
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,560
With the support of his friends
and family,
813
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,360
he's going to make it.
814
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,880
CHEERING
815
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,360
I remember standing side stage
giggling, just hysterically.
816
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,800
# Some say love
817
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,560
# It is a river. #
818
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,040
CHEERING
819
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920
That was his kind of like fuck you
to everybody.
820
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,640
It was just...just wonderful
rock and roll theatre.
821
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,080
ELECTRIC GUITAR PLAYS
822
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,120
I definitely felt like we had to
prove ourselves.
823
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,680
# I don't care, I don't care
I don't care, I don't care
824
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,880
# I don't care, care if it's old. #
825
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,440
And at the time, I didn't really
feel entirely confident
826
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,480
that we could do that.
827
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,800
We hadn't really been playing
very much at all
828
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,040
and I think we maybe
rehearsed once...
829
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,320
..twice maybe.
830
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,480
# Get away, away,
away from your home. #
831
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,800
I think every amount of frustration
and anger that they had felt
832
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,480
over the last few months
was channelled into that show.
833
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,200
# If you have, if you need
834
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,520
# I don't even care,
we could have all three
835
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,680
# She said, she said
836
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,880
# She said, she said. #
837
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,800
CHEERING
838
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920
And everyone's singing
every word to Breed
839
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,800
and every word to Teen Spirit,
every word to Lithium.
840
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,280
# I'm so happy cos today
I found my friends
841
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,720
# They're in my head
842
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,360
# I'm so ugly
That's OK, cos so are you. #
843
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,560
It really was a triumphant return
in a time,
844
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,040
where I'm not sure even
we knew we could do it.
845
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,840
# Yeah, yeah
846
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,720
# Yeah, yeah
847
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,560
# Yeah, yeah
848
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,880
# Yeah, yeah. #
849
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,000
I just remember being
so fucking relieved
850
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,440
that we didn't train wreck
in front of everybody.
851
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520
I was...I was very happy.
852
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,920
# Yeah, yeah
853
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,720
# Yeah, yeah. #
854
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,680
I remember it being a little bit
ramshackled but...
855
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,400
..but that's punk rock, innit?
856
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,520
# Yeah, yeah. #
857
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,000
At the end of the night,
they just overdid it.
858
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Just too much head-banging and...
859
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,400
..I had to wear a neck collar for
a few days, gave myself whiplash.
860
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,920
# I'm not going to crack. #
861
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,920
CHEERING
862
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,480
Them giving me the opportunity
to do this
863
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,400
has got me through dark times of
feeling depressed and worthless
864
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,920
and I just think,
865
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,560
"Well, hold on a minute. You've
done this. You can die happy,
866
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,960
"having contributed
to this mythological show."
867
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,560
# What else should I be?
868
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,880
# All apologies. #
869
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,960
It's bittersweet, '92, you know.
870
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,600
It was the last time I saw Kurt.
871
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Reading '92 had a huge significance
or relevance in...
872
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,040
..the timeline of the band,
emotionally.
873
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,680
It was huge.
874
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,640
# Buried
875
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,960
# Buried. #
876
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160
And, unfortunately, it was the last
time we ever played the UK.
877
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,800
Nirvana were meant to tour the UK
in spring '94,
878
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,920
but by that point, things were
already looking very...
879
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,640
..grave indeed.
880
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,600
There had been an overdose in Rome,
the tour was cancelled.
881
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,120
Things were really, really serious
at this point.
882
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,240
Even though Kurt was really
talkative,
883
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:51,280
it just wasn't the same energy.
884
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,280
The crew and everything was flat.
885
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,280
It just wasn't the same.
886
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,320
It was kind of obvious he had
a bit of a drug problem back then.
887
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,600
It was just really uncomfortable.
888
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,360
A lot happened to Nirvana in
a very short period of time.
889
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,000
Those few years between headlining
Reading 1992...
890
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,920
..and cancelling that 1994 tour,
891
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,320
it was kind of like...
892
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,040
..being shaken from side to side
and just holding on,
893
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,880
trying to...to keep from...
894
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,440
..sinking.
895
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,000
And so, in a way,
that was us saying,
896
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,440
"No, this is not going to happen
right now.
897
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,520
"We need to take care of
some other shit."
898
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,240
Nowadays, depression is...
899
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,920
Everybody talks about it...more
openly.
900
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Got to look after people.
901
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120
That person's struggling a bit,
we'd better go and help them.
902
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,440
That didn't happen then, did it?
903
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,720
Society used to be all about
just coping and getting on with it
904
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,680
and you'll all be OK.
905
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,000
There was so much bravado and...
906
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,560
..it never felt like it
was the right thing to do,
907
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,760
to put your hand up and just kind
say, "God, I'm struggling here."
908
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,680
From 1991 to 1994...
909
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,440
..when I think about that period,
910
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,840
it feels like it was ten years.
911
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,520
It was really intense
just from the attention.
912
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,800
Those are the personal things that
I'm still trying to get a grip on.
913
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,240
And we just wanted to make music.
914
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,960
It wasn't till late Thursday night,
early Friday morning
915
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,240
that people in Britain
found out the news.
916
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440
The lead singer of the rock band
Nirvana, Kurt Cobain,
917
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,440
has been found dead at his home
in the United States.
918
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,640
Police say it looks as if
he shot himself.
919
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,040
He was 27 years old.
920
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,000
I remember coming down to breakfast
and just everyone was talking about,
921
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,720
"Have you heard that
Kurt Cobain is dead?"
922
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,880
Whatever you thought about
his mind-set at the time,
923
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,240
it was still such a shock.
It was so sad.
924
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,480
I think one of the things
925
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,280
we always kind of had in the back
of our mind is like, what happened?
926
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,960
What went wrong?
927
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,720
Yeah, it was extremely upsetting.
928
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,640
Just crying for three or four days.
929
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,840
I remember running straight upstairs
to tell my mum and dad
930
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,680
that Kurt Cobain had died
because it was on the news.
931
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,040
I remember it was the first time
I cried...
932
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,240
..about losing something or someone.
933
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,160
It felt like it was someone
you knew.
934
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,640
I'm still processing the Kurt stuff,
you know?
935
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,440
Because...
936
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,280
..I have to explain it to my kids...
937
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,560
..who love Nirvana.
938
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,320
Because for the longest time,
you know, I would...
939
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,320
..I would try to process and talk
about it with friends and family
940
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,720
and things like that...
941
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,120
..and they would help me...
942
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,440
..but...
943
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,960
..now, like, I feel like I
have to help my kids go through it.
944
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,680
It's a lifetime of healing.
945
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,600
It must have been over ten years
before I listened to Nirvana again.
946
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,040
I'd hear tracks every so often,
947
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,120
but most times
if they ever come on...
948
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,760
..I try to listen to them
but I just find it difficult.
949
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,560
I think all of us flailed around
for a few years
950
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,760
and through sort of the rest of
the '90s.
951
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,760
It was a very, very tough time,
personally and emotionally
952
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,000
and there wasn't any real closure
on it.
953
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,760
MUSIC: Territorial Pissings
by Nirvana
954
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,480
It's been 30 years,
but coming back to the UK,
955
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,040
it really is like a second home.
956
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,680
Anton Brookes, Russell Warby -
957
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,920
I still work with
most of those people.
958
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Whenever the Foo Fighters
come back for shows,
959
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000
like, we get together
like it's a family reunion,
960
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,880
so there is a bond that is like
a forever thing between all of us.
961
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,640
To this day, I'll get fan letters
962
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,840
or I meet people, like,
in the public
963
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,200
and they'll say, "Nirvana got me
through a really bad time",
964
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,840
or, "Once I heard Nirvana,
I kind of...
965
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,080
"..felt better about things."
966
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,480
And I'm so grateful that people
are connecting that way
967
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,520
still with Nirvana, because
that's the way I feel about music.
968
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:30,000
# Got to find a way, find a way
When I'm there
969
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,160
# Got to find a way, a better way
I'd better wait
970
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:40,480
# Got to find a way, find a way
When I'm there
971
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,880
# Got to find a way, find a way
When I'm there
972
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,040
# Got to find a way, find a way
When I'm there
973
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,840
# Got to find a way, find a way. #
974
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600
SCREAMING
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