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So you might wonder
why I just clapped,
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because I'm sitting
in my studio by myself
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and am I,
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am I applauding myself?
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I guess a good place to start
is a simple question.
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Why in the world
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would I want to make
a documentary about myself?
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And I think that's a pretty
legitimate question.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you!
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On one hand,
I've had a strange life.
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I grew up very poor in
a very wealthy environment.
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My strange life as a musician
has taken me
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to a lot of very odd places,
literally and figuratively.
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And I guess I could make
a documentary about that.
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Just another biopic
about a weird musician.
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What's more interesting is,
at least to me, is...
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well, the why of it.
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The why of everything.
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The, why do we do what we do?
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Our very short lives
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quite possibly have
very little significance.
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As far as we can tell, we're
in a universe that is vast
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beyond our imagining,
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ancient beyond our imagining.
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But yet, all of us
generally work from a place
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where we think that
our actions have meaning,
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our lives have consequences.
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And that if we do things
in a certain way,
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if we do things in a right way,
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that our lives
might somehow be better.
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If I had legitimacy,
if I had some money,
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if I was recognized
for what I did
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and for who I was,
and if I was esteemed...
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One of the most innovative figures in
the world of electronic dance music, Moby.
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...happiness,
and meaning would ensue.
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And honestly, that's why
I want to make this movie,
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because I think that a lot of us
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still work
under those assumptions,
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that if we do the right thing,
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if we have the right
existential portfolio,
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if we have the right people,
the right amount of money,
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the right home or homes,
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the right job,
the right amount of recognition,
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then everything
will suddenly make sense
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and we'll be happy
and we'll live for a long time
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and we will die contented.
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There's one huge problem
with that, though.
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That's never actually been
the case for anyone.
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It's almost like we assume that
it's not true for everyone else,
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but that if we figure it out, like if I
figure out my perfect existential portfolio,
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that I will find
perfect human happiness,
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but I tried, and it didn't work.
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This is my dream.
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So we're revisiting.
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New York City in 1966.
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So yes, I was born in Harlem.
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Let's make it nighttime.
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Rrrrr... There's New York City.
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Rrrr, rrrr!
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My dad, we'll have him
wearing glasses
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because the truth is, I don't
remember my father at all,
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but in my mind he wore glasses,
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and unlike me, he had hair.
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My mom, because I'm not
the best drawer in the world,
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I have a feeling she's
going to look...
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Oh, she actually looks
almost feminine, maybe.
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Little baby me.
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We also need some animals.
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When I was growing up in Harlem
we had a pet dog,
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one or two cats,
and a bunch of rats,
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because my father was,
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he worked in the chemistry
department at Columbia
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and he brought home
some test rats.
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They were in their twenties.
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They were in New York,
and they hung out in the Village
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and talked about poetry
and politics.
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And they had me,
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and then very quickly
realized like,
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"Oh, having a newborn in
a basement apartment in Harlem."
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And my dad had been
a heavy drinker apparently,
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but then apparently he started
drinking more and more and more,
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- and my mom yelling...
- Get out of my house!
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- ...him yelling back...
- Yaaaaaa!
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And then him disappearing
on drunken binges.
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So because I lived
with two very angry parents
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who were screaming at each other
and smoking cigarettes and drinking,
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the only calm sort of stable
presence in the apartment
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were the animals.
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The cat, the dog,
the rescued lab rats,
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represented here by chihuahuas.
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At an early age, when I was
a tiny little baby,
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I learned a lesson, which is that
animals are nice and people are terrifying.
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And then after a couple of years
of this, they had a huge fight,
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and my mother told my father,
"I can't do this anymore.
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I want a divorce, and I'm taking
your son away from you."
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So, my father got drunk
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and got in his car...
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and drove into a wall...
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at a hundred miles an hour.
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So my mother was a widow
at the age of 23
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with her crying newborn,
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a bunch of animals in a
basement apartment in Harlem.
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Hi.
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So I'm Moby and I'm
the director of this scene
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and we will be reenacting
some scenes from my childhood.
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I'd like to introduce
our players.
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Laura, would you step in?
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This is Laura
and she'll be playing my mom.
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Hi, I'm Laura Dawn
and I'm playing Moby's mom.
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Daniel, would you like
to step in?
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Who will be playing my mom's
scumbag boyfriend.
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Hi, my name is Daniel Ahearn.
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I'll be playing
the scumbag boyfriend.
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And this is Daron,
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and he'll be playing me
at about age, say three.
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Hi, my name's Daron Murphy
and I'll be playing young Moby.
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Yeah. Perfect.
Life has already gone wrong.
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You're only three years old, and
basically nothing good has ever happened.
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- You guys are getting ready to go out.
- Let's go.
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So you're a local motorcycle
gang member...
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but you're just,
you're just scummy.
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- Bye, Moby. We'll be back in a couple of hours.
- Don't touch my stuff.
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That was great. The only thing
was you were a little too involved.
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OK.
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- And action.
- All right, Moby, we're taking off.
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We're going to go out to this
party and we'll be back later, okay?
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Bye, Molly.
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- Poor Moby.
- Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.
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I wish we could save him.
We'd be your friends, Moby.
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- Oh yeah.
- Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My mom is upset because she's
unemployed, her boyfriend has left her,
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and young me is going
to try to comfort her.
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Nothing ever works out.
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Dan left.
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Again.
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And I still haven't found a job.
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So I don't know
what we're gonna do.
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- Mom...
- Just leave me alone!
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Well done.
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A little more sadness.
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Well, okay, no, dial it down,
just not quite so much sadness.
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A little, little more,
just sort of like soft pathos.
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That's okay.
No, come on in.
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We're doing really
important stuff.
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Oh, that's very sad.
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- That's a big apartment to me.
- Call Child Services!
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His first experience, if you think about
your mother being the center of your world,
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the idea that if you're the
focal point of someone's world
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and all they know about love
and trust and stability in the world,
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but you are not stable,
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then that produces a cascade
of effects in a developing mind
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that can really mess up
the rest of their lives.
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He was left in places
and situations
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that a kid that's three,
four or five, six years old,
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should not be left in.
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And there was a lot
of drug abuse.
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There was a lot of alcoholism.
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I think that he suffers
from anxious attachment.
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When I hear
so much of his music,
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I hear the pain and emotion and
longing that he feels towards his mother.
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That to me is a core dragon
he's been chasing his entire life
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as some kind of understanding
and resolution to that pain.
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When I was very, very young, I grew
up playing in New York and Connecticut.
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And at that time, like my
only goal was to at some point
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put out a seven-inch that maybe
sold a hundred copies.
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I never ever,
ever in a billion years
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thought I would be playing with one
of the most remarkable orchestras.
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So I just wanted to say
thank you all so much.
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Such a beautiful orchestra.
Such a friendly orchestra.
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When a human being
truly dives within all the way,
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negativity begins to lift away.
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Hate, anger, fear,
all these things start to lift.
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The suffocating rubber clown
suit of negativity dissolving,
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and pure gold
coming in from within.
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So for a while, we lived
in Darien, Connecticut,
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which is one of the wealthiest
towns in the United States.
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And I was certainly the poorest
person that I knew there.
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I hated it.
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Not being able to bring people
back to my house.
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When I say "bring people," I mean
like friends in elementary school,
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but as I had learned early on,
animals were safe,
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and animals didn't judge me,
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and I never had to feel
shame around animals.
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So I'd found animals,
and then I found music.
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And then I picked up a guitar one of my
Mom's boyfriends had left at the house,
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and I started playing around and
very quickly I discovered punk rock.
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And I fell in love with The Clash,
Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag.
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And I also found a home.
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I found this amazing community of
misfits and confused teenagers like me,
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and I felt comfortable
and at home for the first time,
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and I just wanted to play
in a punk rock band.
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And I guess that's
when I dedicated my life
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to these two things,
animals and music.
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I've been looking forward
to our session.
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- It's good to see you again.
- Oh yeah.
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Can I get you water
or a cup of tea?
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I want to know more
about your feelings.
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How have you been able
to process your feelings
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and what you experienced as
a child through your music?
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We've talked about this before
that sometimes you refer to yourself
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in the third person,
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which is intellectualizing,
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and I'm wondering if you can
connect to your feelings
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and tell me about it
from that perspective.
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Well, growing up, I always felt
uncomfortable if I'm being honest
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and I felt really
disconnected and unsafe.
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I know this sounds
like hyperbole,
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this sounds like I'm
overstating, but music saved me.
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I felt connected to this bigger
world that was so much better
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and more interesting than the
sad suburban world I was inhabiting.
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Can you just tell me a little bit
more about how you felt about that?
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I was able to like take all of
the things that I was feeling...
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and make sense of them,
and sort of make them
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you know, take the fear
and make it interesting,
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and take my confusion
and try to make it beautiful.
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And so the act of making music was
almost like a form of like self-healing,
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but also in a way
that maybe other people
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could relate to or understand.
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Everyone chant!
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Someone asked me
this question recently,
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if I were an animal,
what would,
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or how would my consciousness
be different?
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And it's
a fascinating question.
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So when I look at an animal
like, like, look at buffalo.
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I wonder if sometimes
one of the reasons
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that people kill animals,
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one of the reasons that people
treat animals so badly
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is because of loneliness,
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is because they look at animals
and they feel rejected by them.
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You know, they look at a buffalo
and buffalo are stoic
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and apparently quite happy to
just hang out with other buffalo,
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and they have their own concerns
and their own priorities.
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Like the desire
to not get eaten,
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the desire to not be hungry,
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the desire to spend time with
your family, with your community.
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But sometimes nature has
an indifference towards humans.
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And the animals, like let's say
like a buffalo, they don't care.
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And I think sometimes
that almost justifies
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people's cruelty to animals,
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is they're punishing the animals
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for having their own lives
independent of us.
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The animal is almost like
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an emissary of
the vast existential void
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that we're all so afraid of.
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My friend gave me some acid.
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And I thought this
was really interesting,
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'cause I'd never
done acid before
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and it lasted
for about 15 hours.
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And then a day later
I had a panic attack,
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and the panic attack lasted
for about six months.
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It was so bad that I had to drop
out of school and moved home
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back to my mom's house,
and it was really grim.
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19 years old, unemployed, broke,
battling constant panic attacks,
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going to my local bar,
getting drunk with alcoholics
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just 'cause that was the only thing
that would make the panic abate.
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When friends from college
would drop me off...
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...I would have them
drop me off here,
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and for a brief minute, I would
pretend that I lived here.
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Everybody I knew who grew up
like the rich people here
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just felt entitled and were
kind of arrogant and obnoxious,
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but anyone who grew up
even slightly poor here,
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you just felt this like stain
of inadequacy
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because everybody knew exactly
how much money everyone else had.
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No matter where you went,
you just always felt,
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if you're poor growing up here, you just
always felt like a second-class citizen.
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In my case,
like an 11th-class citizen.
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That was my fantasy
when I was growing up,
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to live in a house like this and
drink tea and sit by a roaring fire,
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and read Blake
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while the golden retriever
was asleep at my feet
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and my beautiful wife was,
I don't know,
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writing poetry at her desk
by the leaded window panes.
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And then I moved
to an abandoned factory.
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This huge, weird
factory complex,
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I mean millions
and millions of square feet.
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It had been a lock factory
in Stamford, Connecticut.
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But when I moved in, it was
completely empty and I paid $50 a month.
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What I thought of
as squatter's rent.
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There was a security guard,
and I'd give them $50 a month,
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and I didn't have running water,
I didn't have heat,
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but I had electricity.
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And so I had my studio
and it, my space was tiny.
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I mean, so tiny, it was basically
like a big glorified closet.
286
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And I worked on music.
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I was DJing
just a couple days a week.
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$25 to DJ for six hours.
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And this whole huge factory
building was empty,
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except for me and like a few
other artists who are squatting in it.
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The two years I lived here, I
think three people got murdered.
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My friend Jamie
got stabbed to death here.
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I loved it, because I had free
electricity and my space,
294
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even though it was very small,
was sunny and I didn't have heat,
295
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but I had space heaters that I
borrowed from my girlfriend's mom.
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Now, Moby, did you grow up
in your punk rock days,
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did you live in factories?
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As a matter of fact, I did.
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Um, but old factories,
the desolation
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and like the entropy of them,
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'cause they're such
sturdy structures.
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Normally things when they're
abandoned collapse,
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but what's great about factories is
they're abandoned and they stick around,
304
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you know, and the bricks become interesting
and the floors get dusty and interesting.
305
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And especially when the old machinery
is too heavy to move, you know?
306
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So they're just like,
we're just going to leave it.
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You're talking my type.
308
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And that's when I started making
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my own almost exclusively
electronic music.
310
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And then I started working
at a record store,
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so I was able to buy
more records and DJ more.
312
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And then I started DJing Friday
nights and Saturday nights.
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And then there was this magic day when
I learned how to mix two records together.
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And all of a sudden I realized
like, "Oh, that sounded okay."
315
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Like, "I guess I'm a DJ now."
316
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I had the worst sampler in
the world and a little four-track,
317
00:31:31,422 --> 00:31:35,205
and so I made my idea of
what hip-hop should sound like
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and my idea of what house
music and techno should be.
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I mean, keep in mind, house
music had just been invented
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and techno had
just been invented,
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00:31:45,031 --> 00:31:47,205
but with my little
Casio keyboard
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and my cheap Roland drum machine
and my little sequencer,
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I tried to make electronic music
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and I had no idea what was
going on with me
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or my life or my future, but I
had some really good friends,
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and I was surprisingly happy.
327
00:32:05,117 --> 00:32:08,596
And I remember trying to explain
that to my family,
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how in hindsight it was one
of the happiest times of my life.
329
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Run for your lives!
330
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Let's go to space!
331
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There, 205 East 14th Street,
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that was my first apartment
in New York City.
333
00:34:46,596 --> 00:34:50,248
And I'm pretty sure,
I had a bunch of roommates,
334
00:34:50,292 --> 00:34:55,814
but my rent was around $150
a month, $160 a month.
335
00:34:58,988 --> 00:35:02,988
Growing up in Connecticut,
I fetishized New York City.
336
00:35:03,031 --> 00:35:06,335
New York was 30,
40 miles away,
337
00:35:06,379 --> 00:35:08,596
and it was easy
to get to on the train.
338
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,031
And so my friends and I growing up
went to New York every chance we could.
339
00:35:13,075 --> 00:35:17,248
It's where the best record stores were, it's
where we saw all our first punk rock shows.
340
00:35:17,292 --> 00:35:20,205
And we were amazed that
we could just get on the train
341
00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:23,857
and hide in the bathroom and 40
minutes later be in Grand Central.
342
00:35:23,901 --> 00:35:28,640
Not to overstate it, but this train
saved my life and made me who I am.
343
00:35:28,683 --> 00:35:33,075
I would make the tapes
in my abandoned factory,
344
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get off in Grand Central, jump the turnstile,
and then just go around giving out tapes.
345
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Years of doing this.
346
00:35:40,292 --> 00:35:42,944
My first record label
came from that,
347
00:35:42,988 --> 00:35:47,379
other DJing jobs came from that, being
introduced to all the producers of the day.
348
00:35:47,422 --> 00:35:51,422
I heard about this club called
Mars that was opening.
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It was going to be the
coolest nightclub in the world.
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Somehow the man
who was booking Mars
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00:35:58,379 --> 00:36:01,205
listened to it
and gave me a job.
352
00:36:01,248 --> 00:36:03,770
My first record label
came from that,
353
00:36:03,814 --> 00:36:06,770
so it all started
with that one job at Mars.
354
00:36:49,596 --> 00:36:54,466
In 1990, I put out
a song called "Go."
355
00:36:54,509 --> 00:36:58,335
And this came out
and did nothing.
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00:36:58,379 --> 00:37:01,335
It sold maybe 1500 copies.
357
00:37:01,379 --> 00:37:05,422
And then after it was released,
358
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a record label guy in the UK
heard it
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00:37:08,379 --> 00:37:10,988
and wanted to release it,
but needed a remix.
360
00:37:11,031 --> 00:37:14,553
And at this time I was obsessed
with Twin Peaks,
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00:37:14,596 --> 00:37:17,379
and somehow
I had this weird idea
362
00:37:17,422 --> 00:37:23,292
of adding the strings from Laura
Palmer's theme from Twin Peaks
363
00:37:23,335 --> 00:37:26,205
to this remix
I was working on for "Go."
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00:37:28,727 --> 00:37:30,379
So I came up with this remix,
365
00:37:30,422 --> 00:37:33,814
and then I played the chords
to Laura Palmer's theme
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00:37:33,857 --> 00:37:35,466
on top of the remix.
367
00:37:35,509 --> 00:37:39,553
Yes. Well, Moby
did that song "Go,"
368
00:37:39,596 --> 00:37:44,640
and that was based on pieces
of Angelo's music in Twin Peaks.
369
00:37:44,683 --> 00:37:49,466
I thought it was fantastic, and a
lot of other people thought that too.
370
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,988
And it became a top-ten record throughout
Europe and it sold a million copies.
371
00:38:17,901 --> 00:38:21,117
So my first single
sold 1500 copies,
372
00:38:21,161 --> 00:38:23,379
and my next single sold
a million copies.
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That's a big turning point,
374
00:38:26,379 --> 00:38:30,292
and it was so profoundly
unexpected.
375
00:38:32,292 --> 00:38:36,335
So the fact that it became
this weird, weird hit single,
376
00:38:36,379 --> 00:38:40,379
where I was going back and forth to the
UK every two weeks and DJing in raves
377
00:38:40,422 --> 00:38:43,901
and playing at raves and being
on all sorts of different TV shows
378
00:38:43,944 --> 00:38:48,988
and being on Top of the Pops,
like none of this was expected.
379
00:38:49,031 --> 00:38:51,770
I had never thought
that I would live in New York.
380
00:38:51,814 --> 00:38:54,205
I had never thought that
I would have a record deal.
381
00:38:54,248 --> 00:38:57,031
I never thought that I would
leave the United States.
382
00:38:57,075 --> 00:38:59,814
I never thought that anyone
would make an effort
383
00:38:59,857 --> 00:39:02,031
to listen to the music
that I was making.
384
00:39:02,075 --> 00:39:04,683
And then all of a sudden I was
doing interviews for magazines.
385
00:39:04,727 --> 00:39:07,901
And then I was on the cover of dance
magazines, and I was on TV shows,
386
00:39:07,944 --> 00:39:11,248
Spin'salbum of the year, the
Village Voice's album of the year.
387
00:39:11,292 --> 00:39:15,248
And I had a big hit single in Europe, I
had music in a Michael Mann movie,
388
00:39:15,292 --> 00:39:18,248
and I went on tour with the Red Hot
Chili Peppers and the Flaming Lips.
389
00:39:18,292 --> 00:39:22,814
Like by the end of 1995,
things were kind of magical.
390
00:39:22,857 --> 00:39:25,770
All that had happened,
and I had expected none of it.
391
00:39:25,814 --> 00:39:28,248
And I was financially stable
for the first time in my life.
392
00:39:28,292 --> 00:39:30,379
And I bought an apartment,
my very own apartment,
393
00:39:30,422 --> 00:39:34,683
with a real studio with
soundproof walls and a skylight.
394
00:39:58,075 --> 00:40:01,075
I still remember,
I was on British Airways
395
00:40:01,117 --> 00:40:04,466
flying to the UK
to do Top of the Pops,
396
00:40:04,509 --> 00:40:09,727
and I saw in the newspaper
my song "Go" in the charts
397
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:13,161
in between Michael Jackson
and Phil Collins.
398
00:40:20,205 --> 00:40:22,988
Can you talk to me
about how that felt?
399
00:40:23,031 --> 00:40:25,422
Not just intellectualizing
that time,
400
00:40:25,466 --> 00:40:28,596
but really unpack your feelings
around that for me?
401
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,248
It felt baffling, confusing,
402
00:40:33,292 --> 00:40:36,161
dislocating,
but it felt wonderful.
403
00:40:36,205 --> 00:40:40,031
I'd been playing music
for 15 years
404
00:40:40,075 --> 00:40:43,292
and every day of those
15 years thinking like,
405
00:40:43,335 --> 00:40:44,770
how can I have an audience?
406
00:40:44,814 --> 00:40:47,031
How can I finally,
like at some point,
407
00:40:47,075 --> 00:40:49,553
even like get a record deal
and make records?
408
00:40:49,596 --> 00:40:53,944
But I never really expected
that that would happen.
409
00:42:01,944 --> 00:42:04,640
How many people right now
are beating themselves up
410
00:42:04,683 --> 00:42:07,814
because they think they're not successful
enough, they're not famous enough,
411
00:42:07,857 --> 00:42:10,509
they're not young enough, they're
not beautiful enough, and like...
412
00:42:10,553 --> 00:42:14,727
But then the people who are
super young, super attractive,
413
00:42:14,770 --> 00:42:18,727
super famous,
they're miserable, you know?
414
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:24,205
So it's this, it's this
horrifying, I don't know...
415
00:42:24,248 --> 00:42:27,248
Like I don't have to pretend
to be younger than I am.
416
00:42:27,292 --> 00:42:29,640
I don't have to pretend
to be more attractive than I am.
417
00:42:29,683 --> 00:42:31,292
- I don't have to wear a toupee.
- Yeah.
418
00:42:31,335 --> 00:42:35,292
I don't have to pretend
that I'm still young
419
00:42:35,335 --> 00:42:39,640
and relevant in the same way that
I was 20 years ago or 15 years ago.
420
00:42:39,683 --> 00:42:42,292
One of the hardest things, at
least for me, and I assume for you,
421
00:42:42,335 --> 00:42:47,075
for lots of people,
is the reason we overcompensate,
422
00:42:47,117 --> 00:42:52,596
the reason we try to get people
to see us in like exalted lights
423
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,509
is because deep down
we don't like ourselves.
424
00:42:55,553 --> 00:42:57,596
- Like we're ashamed of ourselves.
- Yeah.
425
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,248
Um, we assume that if anyone
looks too closely, they'll be repelled.
426
00:43:03,292 --> 00:43:05,944
Especially if they look at me at
this angle. Something like that.
427
00:43:05,988 --> 00:43:08,205
And like looking at it
yourself,
428
00:43:08,248 --> 00:43:10,770
but then like being that in
the presence of other people
429
00:43:10,814 --> 00:43:15,814
for as potentially unattractive
and uncomfortable as that might be.
430
00:44:17,292 --> 00:44:19,335
So in the mid-'90s,
I shaved my head,
431
00:44:19,379 --> 00:44:22,031
and after a long period of
sobriety, I started drinking again.
432
00:44:26,683 --> 00:44:29,596
And I became a complete
rock-and-roll clichรฉ.
433
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,727
I was living on tour buses,
hanging out in the strip clubs,
434
00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:34,422
dating strippers.
435
00:44:36,292 --> 00:44:38,901
And I fully
foolishly stupidly embraced
436
00:44:38,944 --> 00:44:40,857
the complete rock-and-roll
degenerate lifestyle.
437
00:44:40,901 --> 00:44:44,075
Ah, yay, yah... drinking!
438
00:44:44,117 --> 00:44:47,553
Ah, yay. Raaaah!
439
00:44:47,596 --> 00:44:51,901
...glug glug glug.
440
00:44:55,857 --> 00:44:57,683
I don't know,
it made sense to me at the time.
441
00:45:00,031 --> 00:45:02,988
Oh, Hi.
My name is Dr. Richard,
442
00:45:03,031 --> 00:45:06,379
and I'd like to talk
to you today about alcoholism.
443
00:45:06,422 --> 00:45:08,553
A lot of people,
many of you who are watching,
444
00:45:08,596 --> 00:45:11,379
might've had a few bad
experiences with drinking,
445
00:45:11,422 --> 00:45:14,814
you know, a few too many drinks
at the office Christmas party.
446
00:45:14,857 --> 00:45:18,205
Well, one of my worst
experiences, I was on a tour bus
447
00:45:18,248 --> 00:45:21,248
and we were driving
from London to Manchester,
448
00:45:21,292 --> 00:45:24,857
and I had 15 or 20 drinks
and took a whole bunch of drugs
449
00:45:24,901 --> 00:45:29,509
and ended up having, I guess, a sexual
encounter with a few different people.
450
00:45:29,553 --> 00:45:31,205
And when I woke up
in the morning,
451
00:45:31,248 --> 00:45:35,683
I was sick and hung over
and alone and cold.
452
00:45:35,727 --> 00:45:38,553
And I had poop
all over my body.
453
00:45:38,596 --> 00:45:41,075
I was covered with poop,
454
00:45:41,117 --> 00:45:43,205
but I didn't know
whose poop it was.
455
00:45:43,248 --> 00:45:46,031
And to this day,
I don't know whose poop it was.
456
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,640
Things started to go wrong.
457
00:45:58,683 --> 00:46:00,857
I broke up with my girlfriend.
458
00:46:00,901 --> 00:46:02,640
I started hanging out
in strip clubs,
459
00:46:02,683 --> 00:46:05,640
and also I decided
to make a punk rock record.
460
00:46:23,814 --> 00:46:27,422
I'd put out the album Animal
Rights and it had failed.
461
00:46:27,466 --> 00:46:29,248
No one wanted
to listen to it.
462
00:46:29,292 --> 00:46:32,988
He was considered to be
past it, a bit of a loser.
463
00:46:33,031 --> 00:46:36,161
They were just making fun of him
and he took it badly.
464
00:46:36,205 --> 00:46:37,596
He wanted to be liked.
465
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,292
He wanted to be respected.
466
00:46:40,335 --> 00:46:43,596
I was convinced it was
going to be my last record.
467
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,596
That I'd move back
to Connecticut,
468
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,814
and I thought I'd go be
a community school teacher.
469
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,422
Then I learned
my Mom had cancer.
470
00:47:29,205 --> 00:47:30,988
And then she died.
471
00:47:39,031 --> 00:47:43,117
And I missed her funeral because
I was in bed drunk, passed out.
472
00:49:11,770 --> 00:49:14,205
I'm really, really sorry.
473
00:49:26,596 --> 00:49:28,814
Oh, I think that's Moby.
474
00:49:30,988 --> 00:49:32,422
That's Moby.
475
00:49:40,031 --> 00:49:42,466
Well, I always
talk about ideas.
476
00:49:42,509 --> 00:49:47,988
And I always say we don't do
anything without first an idea.
477
00:49:48,031 --> 00:49:54,248
So ideas are precious things
and we all want ideas.
478
00:49:54,292 --> 00:49:56,596
There's trillions of ideas,
you know.
479
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,205
They're thoughts in a way,
thoughts go through our heads.
480
00:50:00,248 --> 00:50:04,248
And... but I picture it
out in the ether.
481
00:50:04,292 --> 00:50:08,814
There's trillions and trillions
of fantastic ideas.
482
00:50:08,857 --> 00:50:12,727
And the deeper you can think,
483
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:16,553
the bigger the ideas are
that you can catch.
484
00:50:16,596 --> 00:50:20,901
So, it's very important
485
00:50:20,944 --> 00:50:25,727
for any line of work
to catch ideas.
486
00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:29,205
And once in a while, you catch
an idea that you fall in love with,
487
00:50:29,248 --> 00:50:33,857
and then the idea tells you
everything, pretty much everything.
488
00:50:33,901 --> 00:50:36,857
So if it's like a musical idea,
489
00:50:36,901 --> 00:50:41,988
you catch something that gets you going
to the guitar or the piano or whatever.
490
00:50:42,031 --> 00:50:44,944
And it fires you up.
491
00:50:44,988 --> 00:50:47,248
Ideas come with inspiration,
492
00:50:47,292 --> 00:50:53,075
a certain amount of information,
and off you go.
493
00:50:57,596 --> 00:50:59,901
I had lost
my American record deal.
494
00:50:59,944 --> 00:51:03,205
My last album, Animal Rights,
had been a complete failure.
495
00:51:03,248 --> 00:51:06,335
My last tour had been a failure
that no one came to,
496
00:51:06,379 --> 00:51:08,988
and I was working
on this album Play,
497
00:51:09,031 --> 00:51:12,205
and I took the music I was working
on, which was like "Porcelain"
498
00:51:12,248 --> 00:51:14,268
and "Why Does My Heart Feel
So Bad" and "Natural Blues,"
499
00:51:14,292 --> 00:51:18,770
and I walked around this neighborhood
and it just sounded terrible to me.
500
00:51:26,031 --> 00:51:30,553
And I stopped on this bench,
501
00:51:30,596 --> 00:51:32,814
convinced that my career
was over...
502
00:51:35,117 --> 00:51:38,118
...convinced I was working on a record
that no one was ever going to hear...
503
00:51:40,422 --> 00:51:44,944
...and pretty sure that I
was going to sell my apartment
504
00:51:44,988 --> 00:51:48,292
and move back to Connecticut
and have to get a real job.
505
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,248
Five... vehicle's armed...
506
00:51:53,292 --> 00:51:56,466
Three, two, one, fire!
507
00:52:01,075 --> 00:52:02,075
Thrust fired.
508
00:52:26,335 --> 00:52:30,553
And I thought Play was going to
be a complete, complete failure,
509
00:52:30,596 --> 00:52:32,770
you know because it was a weird,
badly mixed,
510
00:52:32,814 --> 00:52:35,248
badly produced record
that I made in my bedroom.
511
00:52:35,292 --> 00:52:38,161
Mainly involving vocals
from people who've been dead
512
00:52:38,205 --> 00:52:41,596
for 40 or 50 years,
but then things changed a lot.
513
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,466
Our next guest
is a Grammy-nominated musician
514
00:52:44,509 --> 00:52:47,335
whose CD right here was named
one of the top albums of the year
515
00:52:47,379 --> 00:52:48,988
by nearly every
major publication.
516
00:52:49,031 --> 00:52:51,379
If you don't have one of
these boys now, you ought to,
517
00:52:51,422 --> 00:52:55,335
seriously, tomorrow you ought to call
in sick and go get one. It's called Play.
518
00:52:55,379 --> 00:52:57,466
Here's Moby.
519
00:52:59,205 --> 00:53:02,814
It started off so small.
520
00:53:02,857 --> 00:53:07,205
I mean, when it started,
it was selling
521
00:53:07,248 --> 00:53:10,117
like 2,000 or 3,000 copies
a week, you know,
522
00:53:10,161 --> 00:53:13,117
barely doing anything... oops.
523
00:53:13,161 --> 00:53:15,770
And, uh...
524
00:53:15,814 --> 00:53:19,248
and then it
just kept selling more.
525
00:53:19,292 --> 00:53:22,137
My next guest tonight is acknowledged
as one of the most innovative figures
526
00:53:22,161 --> 00:53:24,205
in the world
of electronic dance music,
527
00:53:24,248 --> 00:53:28,248
and he's here to perform a song
from his most recent album, Play.
528
00:53:28,292 --> 00:53:32,422
Slowly but surely, everybody
who discovered the music
529
00:53:32,466 --> 00:53:34,187
felt like there was
something special there.
530
00:54:21,117 --> 00:54:24,988
And it was so surprising
and every time it sold more,
531
00:54:25,031 --> 00:54:27,205
I thought,
"Great, now it's done."
532
00:54:29,466 --> 00:54:32,422
And then it started selling
10,000 copies a week,
533
00:54:32,466 --> 00:54:36,901
and then it started selling
100,000 copies a week.
534
00:54:36,944 --> 00:54:41,379
And then at one point it was selling
almost 200,000 copies worldwide a week.
535
00:54:41,422 --> 00:54:44,248
And it went number one in the UK
and it went number one in France
536
00:54:44,292 --> 00:54:46,031
and Australia and Germany.
537
00:54:46,075 --> 00:54:49,205
And suddenly, you know,
538
00:54:49,248 --> 00:54:52,988
I went from playing to
a couple hundred people a night
539
00:54:53,031 --> 00:54:55,640
to a couple thousand people
a night to...
540
00:54:55,683 --> 00:54:58,161
Oh wow, cricket bats.
541
00:54:58,205 --> 00:55:00,335
Do you need a cricket bat?
542
00:55:01,988 --> 00:55:03,205
Do I need a cricket bat?
543
00:55:05,335 --> 00:55:08,335
So different tracks
in different countries
544
00:55:08,379 --> 00:55:10,944
sort of brought
this album forward.
545
00:55:10,988 --> 00:55:14,422
And at that point I just looked
at Moby and said,
546
00:55:14,466 --> 00:55:18,161
"Who the fuck are these people?
How does this even happen?"
547
00:55:18,205 --> 00:55:20,379
It was like magic.
548
00:55:42,422 --> 00:55:45,335
Hello? Hi, guy.
How are you doing?
549
00:55:45,379 --> 00:55:47,379
- Hello?
- Hiya.
550
00:55:47,422 --> 00:55:48,683
Hi, David.
551
00:55:49,944 --> 00:55:51,727
Yeah, I know this voice.
552
00:55:54,031 --> 00:55:56,248
Go on, keep talking, will ya?
553
00:55:56,292 --> 00:55:59,205
- Hello?
- Hello. You sound incredibly tall.
554
00:55:59,248 --> 00:56:01,770
Am I right?
Are you a tall person?
555
00:56:01,814 --> 00:56:05,031
I can't, unfortunately
I can't hear you very well.
556
00:56:05,075 --> 00:56:06,995
You're a tall person
with really long hair, yeah?
557
00:56:07,031 --> 00:56:09,031
I'm a tall person
with really long hair.
558
00:56:09,075 --> 00:56:11,814
- I weigh about 300 pounds.
- Yeah, it's Moby, isn't it?
559
00:56:11,857 --> 00:56:14,379
One of the sexiest men...
560
00:56:21,205 --> 00:56:24,205
David Bowie was my
favorite musician of all time.
561
00:56:24,248 --> 00:56:26,335
Maybe 2000, 2001...
562
00:56:26,379 --> 00:56:29,596
He moved across the street to me
and I couldn't believe it.
563
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,031
Like I became friends
with David Bowie.
564
00:56:32,075 --> 00:56:34,640
Some of the moments that
he and I had together,
565
00:56:34,683 --> 00:56:36,770
I almost feel like
there was maybe like
566
00:56:36,814 --> 00:56:41,248
a quasi older brother quality
to his friendship with me.
567
00:56:41,292 --> 00:56:44,379
And we had barbecues together.
We went to the deli together.
568
00:56:44,422 --> 00:56:46,727
We got tea together and we
worked on music together,
569
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:49,988
and we had holidays together
and dinners together.
570
00:56:50,031 --> 00:56:51,596
And we got to go
on tour together.
571
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,596
David Bowie and Moby!
572
00:57:46,814 --> 00:57:51,335
Here I was, this panicking,
alcoholic, bald musician
573
00:57:51,379 --> 00:57:54,075
who thought his career was over.
574
00:57:54,117 --> 00:57:56,422
And then all of a sudden
my career wasn't just over,
575
00:57:56,466 --> 00:57:58,509
but it had become
like actual rock stardom.
576
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,117
I'd walk down the street
and people knew who I was,
577
00:58:06,161 --> 00:58:09,944
and I would go to parties and
women I'd never met would flirt with me
578
00:58:09,988 --> 00:58:16,031
and then headlining my own festival,
you know, with New Order and Outkast
579
00:58:16,075 --> 00:58:18,248
and these big bands
opening up for me.
580
00:58:18,292 --> 00:58:22,031
I mean an album like Play
transcends the music industry
581
00:58:22,075 --> 00:58:25,422
because it became
a mainstream phenomenon.
582
00:58:25,466 --> 00:58:30,292
It ultimately completely
corrupted and ruined me,
583
00:58:30,335 --> 00:58:33,205
but at the time
it was so much fun
584
00:58:33,248 --> 00:58:36,466
to go from being
kind of a washed-up has-been
585
00:58:36,509 --> 00:58:39,901
to dating movie stars and going to
these parties and making a lot of money
586
00:58:39,944 --> 00:58:42,683
and touring and playing in front
of tens of thousands of people.
587
00:58:42,727 --> 00:58:47,814
Like maybe I should pretend it wasn't
great, but for a minute it was really great.
588
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:49,944
And it was mind boggling.
589
00:58:49,988 --> 00:58:52,944
And every day I drank more.
590
00:58:52,988 --> 00:58:56,596
I started doing
a lot of drugs, and...
591
00:58:58,814 --> 00:59:03,205
it was amazing,
but terrible at the same time.
592
00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:07,944
I mean like my narcissism, my entitlement,
just were really out of control.
593
00:59:10,248 --> 00:59:12,770
Yeah. Um...
594
00:59:12,814 --> 00:59:14,770
Do you want me
to pick you up anything here?
595
00:59:14,814 --> 00:59:17,075
Yeah. It's an Indian grocery.
596
01:00:01,031 --> 01:00:03,857
Hi. So we're here
talking to Moby,
597
01:00:03,901 --> 01:00:09,248
and, uh, I want to ask him
some questions about fame.
598
01:00:09,292 --> 01:00:13,988
So, Moby, what are your thoughts
about the world of fame?
599
01:00:14,031 --> 01:00:16,596
How did you buy into fame?
600
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,335
And why would you think it was
so important to you?
601
01:00:20,379 --> 01:00:22,248
It's confusing to me.
602
01:00:22,292 --> 01:00:25,640
I think that you're not
a stupid person.
603
01:00:25,683 --> 01:00:29,335
So why do you think you bought
into the cold culture of fame?
604
01:00:29,379 --> 01:00:33,988
I think I just saw it as a way of, I
dunno, very simply it made me feel better.
605
01:00:34,031 --> 01:00:39,031
It made me feel like I had legitimacy,
and meaning, that my life had worth.
606
01:00:39,075 --> 01:00:43,814
So you keep saying that, not having worth
and legitimacy, and how do you feel now?
607
01:00:43,857 --> 01:00:46,640
I mean, how do you think
you got out of that pattern?
608
01:00:46,683 --> 01:00:49,901
How do you measure yourself?
Playwas your biggest hit, right?
609
01:00:49,944 --> 01:00:51,944
- Mm-hmm.
- You've never topped that since.
610
01:00:51,988 --> 01:00:54,161
- No.
- Why?
611
01:00:54,205 --> 01:00:56,857
That's a good question.
612
01:00:56,901 --> 01:00:59,335
You keep saying that,
that's what I'm here to do.
613
01:00:59,379 --> 01:01:00,683
Yeah.
614
01:01:00,727 --> 01:01:03,379
And I'm, I don't know.
615
01:01:03,422 --> 01:01:06,944
Like I desperately wanted them
to be as successful as Play
616
01:01:06,988 --> 01:01:09,770
and it would make me sad
that each record was sort of like
617
01:01:09,814 --> 01:01:11,901
successively less successful...
618
01:01:11,944 --> 01:01:12,857
And...
619
01:01:12,901 --> 01:01:14,988
Do you analyze it?
620
01:01:15,031 --> 01:01:19,901
We've talked about this, when
Playbecame successful, I loved it.
621
01:01:19,944 --> 01:01:22,857
I pretended
I didn't really care.
622
01:01:22,901 --> 01:01:26,944
I tried really hard to pretend
when I talked to journalists or people
623
01:01:26,988 --> 01:01:30,596
that fame didn't matter to me,
but I loved it.
624
01:01:34,379 --> 01:01:36,944
Were you anxious?
Depressed?
625
01:01:36,988 --> 01:01:38,422
What were you going through?
626
01:01:38,466 --> 01:01:41,509
I was angry.
I was like an addict, you know.
627
01:01:41,553 --> 01:01:46,205
Like a baby who was being weaned
from his mother's breast.
628
01:01:46,248 --> 01:01:50,422
Like an addict who like, the crack
pipe was being taken away from me.
629
01:01:50,466 --> 01:01:53,857
And I was angry,
and I was scared, and I was sad,
630
01:01:53,901 --> 01:01:59,335
and I just wanted anything that
would bring the fame back to me.
631
01:02:01,248 --> 01:02:02,944
As your therapist,
632
01:02:02,988 --> 01:02:06,335
it's my professional
and personal opinion
633
01:02:06,379 --> 01:02:09,596
that you are a sad
and broken human being.
634
01:02:11,596 --> 01:02:14,075
I mean, you know what I'm
talking about, right?
635
01:03:53,988 --> 01:03:55,553
Oh, hey.
636
01:03:56,857 --> 01:03:59,205
I didn't expect
to see you down here.
637
01:04:02,422 --> 01:04:04,466
Wow, I haven't seen you
in a while.
638
01:04:06,117 --> 01:04:09,988
I never really understood
what you were.
639
01:04:10,031 --> 01:04:14,770
You're an alien,
but are you an alien bug?
640
01:04:14,814 --> 01:04:16,901
'Cause you have antenna.
641
01:04:16,944 --> 01:04:19,901
You're sort of a self-portrait.
642
01:04:19,944 --> 01:04:22,596
You're bald except for antenna.
643
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,466
I'm bald.
644
01:04:24,509 --> 01:04:28,205
You come from another planet.
I come from another planet.
645
01:04:28,248 --> 01:04:30,683
Do you want to
go for one more,
646
01:04:30,727 --> 01:04:32,814
do you want to go for a ride?
647
01:04:32,857 --> 01:04:35,422
Is your, your ship is here?
648
01:04:37,814 --> 01:04:41,379
Okay. Let's go for one,
you want to? Yeah, let's go.
649
01:04:41,422 --> 01:04:46,422
The status quo wasn't going to last,
I didn't want to admit that to myself.
650
01:04:46,466 --> 01:04:48,466
And then I started getting
really bad reviews.
651
01:04:48,509 --> 01:04:51,007
Like I remember The New York
Timesgave one of my records a review
652
01:04:51,031 --> 01:04:53,398
where they said it was so bad,
it represented the end of music.
653
01:04:53,422 --> 01:04:56,075
- Really?
- Yeah. It was on the homepage of The New York Times
654
01:04:56,117 --> 01:04:57,901
- for a week.
- The end of music.
655
01:04:57,944 --> 01:05:00,031
And there were people
writing in comments about
656
01:05:00,075 --> 01:05:03,031
not just that they didn't like me,
but they wanted to stab me to death.
657
01:05:03,075 --> 01:05:05,248
They wanted to kick me
to death on the street.
658
01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:08,248
- They wanted to hang me.
- Where is this?
659
01:05:08,292 --> 01:05:10,988
Just like where people like
write crazy ass stuff.
660
01:05:11,031 --> 01:05:14,161
And it was, it really started
to freak me out.
661
01:05:14,205 --> 01:05:16,640
'Cause I was like,
oh, this is the media.
662
01:05:16,683 --> 01:05:18,596
- Right.
- This is the thing that I love.
663
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,379
This is the thing that I need
to feel good about myself.
664
01:05:21,422 --> 01:05:25,422
And not only are they paying
less attention to me,
665
01:05:25,466 --> 01:05:30,683
but the attention they're paying
to me is so hurtful.
666
01:05:30,727 --> 01:05:32,117
- Right.
- You know?
667
01:05:32,161 --> 01:05:35,944
And so, and it...
it really was disconcerting.
668
01:05:38,248 --> 01:05:40,248
You suck!
669
01:05:40,292 --> 01:05:42,553
Nobody listens to techno!
670
01:05:42,596 --> 01:05:46,335
Nobody listens to techno!
671
01:05:46,379 --> 01:05:49,335
Nobody listens to techno!
672
01:05:49,379 --> 01:05:52,205
You suck!
673
01:05:52,248 --> 01:05:55,248
You suuuuck!
674
01:05:56,988 --> 01:05:58,727
You suuuuck!
675
01:06:00,553 --> 01:06:05,596
Nobody listens to techno!
676
01:06:07,379 --> 01:06:11,248
I was in Barcelona
for the MTV Music Awards,
677
01:06:11,292 --> 01:06:14,857
and I'd been told beforehand that I was
going to be winning an MTV Music Award.
678
01:06:14,901 --> 01:06:17,379
And it was going to be
my third or fourth
679
01:06:17,422 --> 01:06:20,379
or fifth MTV Music Award
that I was winning.
680
01:06:20,422 --> 01:06:25,031
And I got to my hotel in Barcelona
the night before the MTV Music Awards.
681
01:06:25,075 --> 01:06:31,379
And I was at the top of one of the
most elegant hotels I've ever been to.
682
01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:33,292
It's called the Arts Hotel.
683
01:06:33,335 --> 01:06:37,944
And there were four huge
apartments at the top of this hotel,
684
01:06:37,988 --> 01:06:42,031
and my neighbors were P. Diddy,
Bon Jovi, and Madonna.
685
01:06:42,075 --> 01:06:44,248
So the four of us
were sharing this floor.
686
01:06:44,292 --> 01:06:46,379
It's overlooking Barcelona
and the Mediterranean.
687
01:06:52,422 --> 01:06:57,770
And that night I ended up
getting very drunk...
688
01:06:57,814 --> 01:07:02,857
and everything was perfect.
689
01:07:02,901 --> 01:07:07,161
You know, everything I'd ever wanted
had been given to me, even more so.
690
01:07:07,205 --> 01:07:09,442
You know, like I just wanted
to make a few obscure records
691
01:07:09,466 --> 01:07:14,770
and all of a sudden, like I'm
at the top of this crazy hotel
692
01:07:14,814 --> 01:07:18,031
and I've sold 10
or 20 million records.
693
01:07:18,075 --> 01:07:24,379
And everything had been given to
me that I'd ever wanted times a million.
694
01:07:24,422 --> 01:07:27,596
And I was so despondent.
695
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,335
How strange it was that
I've been given everything
696
01:07:32,379 --> 01:07:35,031
and I'd never been more
depressed.
697
01:07:37,509 --> 01:07:41,248
And one of the only things that kept
me from killing myself was the fact
698
01:07:41,292 --> 01:07:44,857
that the windows in the hotel
didn't open wide enough.
699
01:07:50,379 --> 01:07:52,553
And I was even annoyed at that.
700
01:07:52,596 --> 01:07:56,596
I was like, wow,
I can't even kill myself.
701
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,553
Even that somehow is denied me.
702
01:08:00,596 --> 01:08:03,031
It was such an odd moment
703
01:08:03,075 --> 01:08:07,640
to be at what was ostensibly
the pinnacle of my career
704
01:08:07,683 --> 01:08:09,944
and the pinnacle of my life
705
01:08:09,988 --> 01:08:12,595
and to have never been
more depressed.
706
01:08:34,117 --> 01:08:37,248
I went back to New York,
and I just started drinking more,
707
01:08:37,292 --> 01:08:39,379
and I started doing cocaine.
708
01:08:39,422 --> 01:08:42,117
I'd always avoided cocaine
because of all the drugs,
709
01:08:42,161 --> 01:08:43,988
that was the one
that scared me the most.
710
01:08:44,031 --> 01:08:45,988
So I was having 15 drinks
a night,
711
01:08:46,031 --> 01:08:49,117
a couple hundred dollars' worth
of cocaine every night,
712
01:08:49,161 --> 01:08:51,378
and then every morning
at like 7:00,
713
01:08:51,421 --> 01:08:54,248
I would try to go to sleep
and I would take Xanax
714
01:08:54,292 --> 01:09:00,553
and Vicodin and I would wake up
so disappointed
715
01:09:00,596 --> 01:09:02,379
that I was still alive.
716
01:09:02,422 --> 01:09:05,943
And it got to the point where
when I went to sleep,
717
01:09:05,988 --> 01:09:08,378
all I wanted
was to never wake up.
718
01:09:08,422 --> 01:09:12,727
But somehow, and maybe I'm like
part cockroach or part rat,
719
01:09:12,770 --> 01:09:16,031
I just kept waking up, you know,
at 4 or 5 in the afternoon
720
01:09:16,075 --> 01:09:18,769
so disappointed
I was still alive.
721
01:09:18,814 --> 01:09:21,640
And I was physically,
I was starting to turn gray,
722
01:09:21,683 --> 01:09:26,509
and I was all puffy, and I had
this like alcoholic bloatedness.
723
01:09:26,553 --> 01:09:28,379
There were complete strangers
in my apartment.
724
01:09:28,421 --> 01:09:31,247
People were smoking
crystal meth in my bathroom.
725
01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:33,553
There are people I'd never met
having sex in my bed.
726
01:09:33,595 --> 01:09:38,422
Finally in 2008, I think
I just bottomed out,
727
01:09:38,465 --> 01:09:44,205
you know, in every way, like
physically, emotionally, spiritually.
728
01:09:44,248 --> 01:09:50,075
Yeah. And then 2008, October,
2008, I finally stopped drinking.
729
01:12:17,292 --> 01:12:19,422
In the crack neighborhood
in Stamford, I was happier.
730
01:12:19,466 --> 01:12:21,988
Making $3,000 a year,
I was happier.
731
01:12:22,031 --> 01:12:24,596
Paying $50 a month
so I could squat,
732
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,596
I was happier than when I was
living overlooking Central Park.
733
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,988
Felt like such a confused...
734
01:12:30,031 --> 01:12:33,726
'cause I had thought that living in this
perfect home was going to fix everything.
735
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:38,292
Like, how couldn't it? When I found the
perfect home, I would be perfectly happy.
736
01:12:38,335 --> 01:12:43,205
When you set your sights, you know you spend
your entire life working towards something
737
01:12:43,248 --> 01:12:45,075
and you achieve it
and you're less happy
738
01:12:45,116 --> 01:12:48,247
than before you even started
working to achieve it,
739
01:12:48,291 --> 01:12:50,553
you don't know what else to do.
740
01:12:52,596 --> 01:12:56,683
Give up the familiar,
even if it's killing you,
741
01:12:56,727 --> 01:12:59,944
and you have to figure out
then what works.
742
01:13:56,248 --> 01:13:58,379
90% of rainforest deforestation,
743
01:13:58,422 --> 01:14:00,943
probably 75% of erectile
dysfunction...
744
01:14:03,117 --> 01:14:05,248
40% of California's water use,
745
01:14:05,292 --> 01:14:07,900
50% of cancer, diabetes,
heart disease,
746
01:14:07,944 --> 01:14:09,987
close to 100% of famine,
747
01:14:10,031 --> 01:14:12,268
'cause all the food that they're
feeding the cows, et cetera,
748
01:14:12,292 --> 01:14:13,379
could be fed to people.
749
01:14:13,421 --> 01:14:15,596
50% of ocean acidification.
750
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,379
So in one fell swoop, you address
all these environmental issues
751
01:14:19,422 --> 01:14:22,727
just by stopping subsidizing
animal agriculture.
752
01:14:22,769 --> 01:14:24,422
That's my quick spiel.
753
01:14:32,248 --> 01:14:35,770
I think people should speak up
about what they believe in.
754
01:14:35,814 --> 01:14:37,596
So, Moby, more power to him,
you know.
755
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,248
What he's speaking about all
the time is, are positive things.
756
01:14:41,292 --> 01:14:45,596
And... but he's known for,
you know, great music.
757
01:14:45,639 --> 01:14:50,640
And I think Moby really does, you
know, love, you know, what he does
758
01:14:50,683 --> 01:14:52,640
and more power to him.
759
01:14:52,683 --> 01:14:54,268
Just keep on making
that great music, Mo.
760
01:14:54,292 --> 01:14:57,030
Just as an aside, not to take up
too much time,
761
01:14:57,074 --> 01:14:59,205
but like, have you
looked around recently?
762
01:14:59,248 --> 01:15:01,770
This is real.
763
01:15:01,814 --> 01:15:04,640
Like, you know?
764
01:15:04,682 --> 01:15:06,248
I mean,
you look at the space,
765
01:15:06,292 --> 01:15:08,770
and you look at the people,
this is real.
766
01:15:08,814 --> 01:15:10,857
Like I've been a vegan
for 30 years.
767
01:15:10,901 --> 01:15:13,727
30 years ago,
this didn't exist.
768
01:15:15,379 --> 01:15:16,988
So let's just take a moment.
769
01:15:17,031 --> 01:15:19,814
I mean,
we have a long way to go,
770
01:15:19,857 --> 01:15:21,335
but boy, we've come so far.
771
01:15:23,509 --> 01:15:27,770
Moby and I are super excited to
present this evening's incredible news.
772
01:15:27,814 --> 01:15:30,683
In just a few weeks,
we will be launching
773
01:15:30,727 --> 01:15:35,248
the world's first ever vegan music
festival right here in Los Angeles.
774
01:15:49,031 --> 01:15:52,944
First off just once again,
thank you to everyone.
775
01:15:52,988 --> 01:15:54,988
And...
776
01:15:55,031 --> 01:15:57,770
...one last thing before
we play this song.
777
01:15:57,814 --> 01:16:00,117
Maybe this is
smug of me to say this,
778
01:16:00,161 --> 01:16:02,075
but we're on the right side
of history.
779
01:16:04,595 --> 01:16:07,378
It was just a given
that at some point
780
01:16:07,422 --> 01:16:11,422
people will look at animal
agriculture in the past
781
01:16:11,466 --> 01:16:13,640
the way we now look at slavery,
782
01:16:13,683 --> 01:16:16,466
or the way that we look at like
women not being allowed to vote,
783
01:16:16,509 --> 01:16:20,856
or the way we look at
African-Americans and Caucasians
784
01:16:20,901 --> 01:16:22,877
not being allowed to use
the same drinking fountain.
785
01:16:22,901 --> 01:16:27,421
Like as Martin Luther King Jr.
Said, and we often paraphrase,
786
01:16:27,465 --> 01:16:30,988
the moral arc of the universe is
long and it bends towards justice.
787
01:16:31,031 --> 01:16:34,161
It also bends towards
the pragmatic reason.
788
01:16:34,205 --> 01:16:38,379
And there's so many reasons
to consider veganism.
789
01:16:38,422 --> 01:16:42,682
Like using animals for food is
the dumbest, cruelest thing
790
01:16:42,727 --> 01:16:45,596
that we have ever done
collectively as a species.
791
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,683
And to that end,
792
01:16:47,727 --> 01:16:49,466
I know it's going to stop,
793
01:16:49,509 --> 01:16:52,857
especially because everybody
here and people around the world
794
01:16:52,901 --> 01:16:54,683
are working so hard on it.
795
01:16:54,727 --> 01:16:57,596
So I would like to dedicate
this song to all the ravers
796
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,770
and all the animal rights
activists, and everyone.
797
01:17:00,814 --> 01:17:01,814
Thanks.
798
01:18:19,422 --> 01:18:22,857
Thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you...
799
01:19:00,466 --> 01:19:05,422
As I've gotten older, the world of
people just doesn't interest me as much.
800
01:19:18,292 --> 01:19:22,031
Nothing that humans make
ever compares
801
01:19:23,379 --> 01:19:25,161
to what I can find in nature.
802
01:19:26,813 --> 01:19:28,770
There are no signs.
803
01:19:28,814 --> 01:19:30,770
There's no advertisements.
804
01:19:30,814 --> 01:19:37,031
There's this wonderful,
still indifference to us.
805
01:19:39,814 --> 01:19:44,465
As humans, we love feeling
a sense of significance
806
01:19:44,509 --> 01:19:47,814
and we spend our whole lives
pursuing significance
807
01:19:47,857 --> 01:19:53,116
and trying to maintain the fiction
that we have great significance,
808
01:19:53,161 --> 01:19:56,683
but there's something really
refreshing and nice
809
01:19:56,727 --> 01:20:00,205
about giving up
any sense of significance
810
01:20:00,248 --> 01:20:04,900
and just remembering our place
in the order of things.
811
01:20:07,379 --> 01:20:10,248
And even though I'm still crazy,
812
01:20:10,292 --> 01:20:13,552
I think I've hopefully
figured out
813
01:20:13,596 --> 01:20:16,596
how to avoid looking
for like big, giant things
814
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,813
to fix more like small
internal problems, but...
815
01:20:23,379 --> 01:20:25,596
Where am, where am I?
816
01:25:19,814 --> 01:25:21,161
Hey, Hey.
817
01:25:21,205 --> 01:25:22,944
Hey. Hey.
818
01:25:22,988 --> 01:25:24,944
Death. Hey!
819
01:25:27,117 --> 01:25:28,379
Hey.
820
01:25:32,553 --> 01:25:33,814
Hey.
821
01:25:37,770 --> 01:25:39,248
Hey, Death.
822
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,030
Hey, Death.
823
01:25:50,075 --> 01:25:52,335
Hey.
824
01:25:52,379 --> 01:25:54,205
What are you doing out here?
825
01:25:59,553 --> 01:26:01,335
No.
826
01:26:01,379 --> 01:26:03,814
I mean, it's a beautiful day.
You want to go for a walk?
827
01:26:06,161 --> 01:26:08,857
Nah, come on. It's...
It's a nice day.
828
01:26:11,117 --> 01:26:15,117
So it might sound weird,
829
01:26:15,161 --> 01:26:18,248
but I could almost,
in an odd way,
830
01:26:18,292 --> 01:26:20,640
say that I'm sort of a fan
of your work...
831
01:26:20,683 --> 01:26:22,857
...because...
832
01:26:22,901 --> 01:26:26,335
Yeah, I know,
I think a lot of people have
833
01:26:26,379 --> 01:26:28,335
some weird opinions about you,
834
01:26:28,379 --> 01:26:31,596
but I'm also
an animal rights activist,
835
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:35,596
and for most animals, especially
the ones on factory farms, like,
836
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:39,161
who experience nothing in their
entire lives but sickness and suffering,
837
01:26:39,205 --> 01:26:44,031
like without you, there's
no end to their suffering.
838
01:26:44,075 --> 01:26:49,553
I mean think of all the sick
and suffering people.
839
01:26:49,596 --> 01:26:52,075
You know, without you,
840
01:26:52,117 --> 01:26:55,988
there is quite literally
no end to their suffering.
841
01:26:56,031 --> 01:26:59,596
I mean, you are merciful.
842
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,640
And I think it's also a little
strange that people are afraid of you
843
01:27:03,683 --> 01:27:05,943
and have such negative opinions
about you because
844
01:27:05,988 --> 01:27:12,031
you're the only, literally, the
only guarantee in people's lives.
845
01:27:12,075 --> 01:27:15,596
Yeah, I'm really,
I mean, look, I mean,
846
01:27:15,639 --> 01:27:18,205
I meet a lot of public figures
847
01:27:18,248 --> 01:27:24,031
and I really don't want
to be some fan weirdo,
848
01:27:24,075 --> 01:27:26,640
but yeah, I...
849
01:27:26,683 --> 01:27:27,857
I, I...
850
01:27:27,901 --> 01:27:30,031
But I am wondering,
851
01:27:30,075 --> 01:27:34,075
and I hear... you probably
hear this all the time,
852
01:27:34,117 --> 01:27:38,031
but like what happens
after we die?
853
01:29:22,988 --> 01:29:24,248
Everybody! Come on.
854
01:29:45,031 --> 01:29:47,596
- One more, come on.
- A cappella.
71986
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